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Title: Winamp going away
Post by: zipr on 2013-11-20 19:00:09
Posted on their media player page, http://www.winamp.com/media-player (http://www.winamp.com/media-player)

Winamp.com and associated web services will no longer be available past December 20, 2013. Additionally, Winamp Media players will no longer be available for download. Please download the latest version before that date. See release notes for latest improvements to this last release.
Thanks for supporting the Winamp community for over 15 years.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: eahm on 2013-11-20 20:24:46
WTF? I mean, I didn't use it in the past 10 years (at least) but I am sure millions of people still use the player and the ShoutCast service right?

So...no .16 with the fixed bug eh? http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=842911 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=101580&view=findpost&p=842911) Ohh...so, 5.66 just released has .16, nice.

Chris, will FhG DLL be available after Winamp?

Obligatory video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8ceHzA5hSE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8ceHzA5hSE)
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: larryfine on 2013-11-20 20:31:14
Very very sad.

Despite all the criticism Winamp is one of the best players and thanks to its pioneering was a source of inspiration to many programmers.

Long live Winamp!
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: spoon on 2013-11-20 21:00:23
Would it have been any different if it was not sold to AOL (was $50M?), I think it is hard to compete on the main stage against iTunes.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: C.R.Helmrich on 2013-11-20 21:20:50
Ohh...so, 5.66 just released has .16, nice.

Chris, will FhG DLL be available after Winamp?

Fraunhofer (still) have no influence on that, we just provide a codec library, and Nullsoft/AOL create the DLL. You could ask them if it's OK to post the DLL on HA's upload forum after Christmas (and meanwhile I'll ask my former boss what Fraunhofer thinks about that).

Btw, I'm just as surprised as you are about this complete halt of development. Glad I managed to get some very-low-rate CBR tunings into the 03.02.16.

Quote from: spoon link=msg=0 date=
was $50M?

Over $80M it seems (http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/11/after-15-years-of-llama-whipping-aol-shuts-down-winamp-for-good/).

Chris
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: darkbyte on 2013-11-20 21:43:21
That's sad. Farewell good old friend.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: TomasPin on 2013-11-20 22:00:01
Well, that's unfortunate. Never used it but a few friends did and still do; it was good software. Guess a whole new infux of foobar2000 users is coming!
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: JJZolx on 2013-11-20 22:37:44
I still use it as my music player on Windows, although all I ever use it for is checking rips and similar duties. I don't use a computer for music playback.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: crazee_canuck on 2013-11-20 22:45:51
I stopped using it when I jumped ship to Linux. It served me very well while I was on Windows.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: DVDdoug on 2013-11-20 23:12:01
If they're just going to "throw it away", I'll give 'em $100 for the source code! 
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: xnor on 2013-11-20 23:18:07
R.I.P.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: Heliologue on 2013-11-21 01:12:00
I can't say I know anyone who's used it within the last decade, but I sure can remember cutting my teeth on it (in the days before it had a library feature) (specifically, I remember listening to 30-second MP3s from Amazon of NIN's The Fragile on some ancient Windows 98 machine...)

Pretty sad in a nostalgic kind of way, but with foobar2000, I have a hard time getting too broken up about it.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: ExUser on 2013-11-21 03:21:10
*looks for benski*

Good night, sweet prince.

Winamp was what I switched to foobar from.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: extrabigmehdi on 2013-11-21 04:11:58
It was so abruptly discontinued, with no explanation provided.
And so many updates .... What's the point, if the product end like this.

Title: Winamp going away
Post by: polemon on 2013-11-21 04:47:22
The SHOUTcast D.N.A.S. kinda spurred the creation of indie internet radio stations.

I wonder what will happen to things that use DNAS and all that. As far as I know, people were working on a SHOUTcast2 application, etc. The whole Winamp radio and Winamp TV is gonna die with it. So, I guess this whole side of things get's lost as well...

I wonder if things like quick and easy alternatives are gonna surface for making a simple stream, so people don't necessarily have to deal with things like Icecast or Liquidsoap.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: polemon on 2013-11-21 05:07:08
One other thing I forgot in my previous post: The Winamp.com forums.

Granted, a forum like Hydrogenaudio goes more into technicalities, etc. but the Winamp forums were pretty good for beginners. And I mean all kinds of beginners. People that started doing audio streaming, live recordings, multi-channel recordings, etc. Countless DJs have asked questions and presented their solutions there. Things like how to set up a quick video stream with balanced quality towards audio, or how to update subtitles on-the-fly in a video stream.

The main sad thing, though: No matter how basic, beginner level all that might be, all that get's lost.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: LithosZA on 2013-11-21 05:25:45
R.I.P.
I only used Winamp in the 90s and early 2000s.

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I wonder what will happen to things that use DNAS and all that. As far as I know, people were working on a SHOUTcast2 application, etc. The whole Winamp radio and Winamp TV is gonna die with it. So, I guess this whole side of things get's lost as well...

Icecast is a nice alternative and supports Vorbis,Opus+VP8.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: Elbart on 2013-11-21 06:59:01
This really whips the llama's ass.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: mudlord on 2013-11-21 08:40:10
Time to fire up the debugger again.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: marc2003 on 2013-11-21 09:23:45
stopping development is one thing but shutting down the whole site and forums with a months notice is a bit extreme. surely they could have let things come to a more graceful end than that?
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: SigHunter on 2013-11-21 10:22:56
time for foobar to brighten up the default config ("first use experience", which is absolutely not acceptable, none of those prebuilt themes, because not everyone is a poweruser who builds his own theme with columnsUI) and get all those ex-winampers
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: C.R.Helmrich on 2013-11-21 11:38:13
time for foobar to brighten up the default config

I second that! Foobar needs an easier, more colorful default GUI for beginners.

Chris
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: polemon on 2013-11-21 11:40:58
Icecast is a nice alternative and supports Vorbis,Opus+VP8.

Read my post to the end:
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I wonder if things like quick and easy alternatives are gonna surface for making a simple stream, so people don't necessarily have to deal with things like Icecast or Liquidsoap.


As the creator of the T4E streaming system, yes - I know about Icecast...
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: marc2003 on 2013-11-21 12:16:23
time for foobar to brighten up the default config

I second that! Foobar needs an easier, more colorful default GUI for beginners.

Chris


i'd have to disagree. i like the fact foobar obeys my windows theme when it comes to styling. there are plenty of alternatives if people don't like that.

besides, winamp is going to work for years to come. perhaps a future version of windows will break it but that's a long time off yet.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: nu774 on 2013-11-21 12:55:03
I think real beginners are just using WMP, iTunes or something.
As an alternative player, I'd rather recommend MusicBee.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: dhromed on 2013-11-21 12:58:39
("first use experience", which is absolutely not acceptable


Nah, it's fine.


I'm more curious why there's not a peep about the reasons for this sudden disappearance of Winamp.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: bilbo on 2013-11-21 13:48:13
I think Winamp lost a golden opportunity with the Winamp for Android app. If that app could have synced all the data like playcounts and lastplayed and offered Smart Playlists, it would have been a hit.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: extrabigmehdi on 2013-11-21 14:22:37
I think Winamp lost a golden opportunity with the Winamp for Android app. If that app could have synced all the data like playcounts and lastplayed and offered Smart Playlists, it would have been a hit.


Again, they provided so many updates, with almost no interesting new features. I was hoping hat after sometimes, they 'll add anything to get back  old users. But not, it was just discontinued.  I'm wondering now if they weren't providing updates ... just for the sake of providing updates.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: greynol on 2013-11-21 15:02:54
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=850741 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=100525&view=findpost&p=850741)
A little ironic, no?

Maybe Fraunhofer purchased it.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: eahm on 2013-11-21 16:34:40
Fraunhofer (still) have no influence on that, we just provide a codec library, and Nullsoft/AOL create the DLL. You could ask them if it's OK to post the DLL on HA's upload forum after Christmas (and meanwhile I'll ask my former boss what Fraunhofer thinks about that).

Btw, I'm just as surprised as you are about this complete halt of development. Glad I managed to get some very-low-rate CBR tunings into the 03.02.16.

Will there be anyone else to keep creating the DLL/s after Fraunhofer updates and improves features?

Thanks for the tuning.

time for foobar to brighten up the default config

I second that! Foobar needs an easier, more colorful default GUI for beginners.

100% disagree, like marc2003 said. I love how minimal and clean foobar2000 is, whoever doesn't can use something else like:

I think real beginners are just using WMP, iTunes or something.
As an alternative player, I'd rather recommend MusicBee.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: ktf on 2013-11-21 16:48:17
I cringe just to look at his name. He has no idea how to perform a test, and said by me that never took a public one means a lot.

After being reminded of the Terms Of Service, you just continue in a different thread? Really, how immature.[/offtopic]

It has been a long time since I last used WinAmp too. I remember the recent involvement of Benski at the flac-dev mailinglist. It's a pity it has to end like this.


Title: Winamp going away
Post by: eahm on 2013-11-21 16:53:32
ktf, you're right, apologize about that.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: benski on 2013-11-21 17:36:59
*looks for benski*

Good night, sweet prince.

Winamp was what I switched to foobar from.


I left Nullsoft a few months ago and now work at Spotify (I guess my forum title needs to be updated) which is why you haven't seen me around here much. 

This moment has been coming for a while, starting with the shut down of AOL Music back in April 2013, and really a long while before then.  A considerable effort was made to save/sell/spinoff the product, but it just wasn't meant to be. 

There was a lot of hope with the Android app (and I put a ton of work into what was essentially a brand new media playback engine).  Sadly, AOL decided to focus our development efforts on other thing and we just didn't have the time to keep either the Windows or Android apps up-to-date with new features (and new Android OS versions that always broke little things)

-benski
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: Dr. Strangelove on 2013-11-21 18:18:28
I switched to foobar long ago, but I still remember sitting in IRC in '97-'98 waiting for the newest drop of winamp. 

Thanks for the memories, guys, and a really nice app.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: woody_woodward on 2013-11-21 18:31:46
I've used Winamp from the get go.  Never had sufficient reason to switch.  So now I have to ask: What about all my plugins?  Does any other player support Winamp plugins?  Thanks for help.




Woody

Title: Winamp going away
Post by: includemeout on 2013-11-21 18:59:41
A really sad demise.

I'll always cherish that now far away day in August '98 when I first installed it & though other players took over its place (Foo, cough, bar) it has been constantly installed on all my PCs ever since, just in case.

I guess I've learned to associate it to MP3 somehow - though MP3 itself hasn't seen much of an use from my part lately, like Winamp, I guess I'll always have a soft spot for it.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: includemeout on 2013-11-21 19:03:33
I've used Winamp from the get go.  Never had sufficient reason to switch.  So now I have to ask: What about all my plugins?  Does any other player support Winamp plugins?  Thanks for help.


Woody


I'd risk saying users like you won't be left in the lurch somehow, given the sheer number of competent & generous programmers always happy to oblige. But that's obviously to be seen.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: LithosZA on 2013-11-21 19:16:40
I've used Winamp from the get go.  Never had sufficient reason to switch.  So now I have to ask: What about all my plugins?  Does any other player support Winamp plugins?  Thanks for help.




Woody

There is a foobar2000 plugin that allows Winamp DSP plugins to be used in foobar2000. Not sure about other plugin types.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: lvqcl on 2013-11-21 19:25:53
What about all my plugins?  Does any other player support Winamp plugins?

AFAIK XMPlay supports input, DSP and vis Winamp plugins.

(But Winamp itself still works, so why switch to another player?)
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: mzso on 2013-11-21 19:55:07
Well, that's unfortunate. Never used it but a few friends did and still do; it was good software. Guess a whole new infux of foobar2000 users is coming!

It's be nice if it would result in a greater variety of visualizations DSP-s, and other third party stuff.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: Brazil2 on 2013-11-21 20:01:07
What about all my plugins?  Does any other player support Winamp plugins?

AIMP natively supports Winamp input and DSP plugins, and also visualizations through aimp_vis_winamp (http://www.nukular.ch/aimp_vis_winamp_0.3.zip) plugin.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: polemon on 2013-11-21 21:16:11
I'm more curious why there's not a peep about the reasons for this sudden disappearance of Winamp.


I believe it was a board decision of AOL.

Winamp turned into a legacy asset when it tried to be iTunes, but simply couldn't cut anything off its market share. In effect, Winamp became something for a more and more niche clientele, and it simply wasn't earning AOL any money. They've probably evaluated what's gonna happen in 12 months, if Winamp may become something more of a well that's eating money, and how their customer base will change if they close it now.

I believe it was quite apparent, that Winamp is gonna cost more and more, with a dwindling user base. At the same time, when getting rid of it, AOL isn't gonna lose any customers, really. So that decision was pretty much a quick one to make.

The quicker you get rid of something, the quicker you start saving money. It is a bit sad to put it that way, but Winamp simply doesn't matter anymore in a market share perspective.

Even if the market share is still quite large, it is very easy for users to switch, because services like iTunes exist. So getting rid of Winamp, won't set any users "adrift" in a void with no easy-to-use music player.

Personally, I remember using Winamp in the late 90's, and some time after that (I think it was Winamp 2 or something). Later, when doing webradios, I was using shoutcast DNAS for a time, before completely switching to Icecast and Liquidsoap.

Anyway, the stuff about getting rid of Winamp is just speculation of course. Getting rid of something quickly, removes chances for media picking up on it, and putting AOL in a bad light. It's an easy way to remove "drama" when possible.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: Bill02888 on 2013-11-21 21:50:21
At my wedding on 9/27/9 I had a Winamp playlist loaded with 10 songs/clips that my fiancee and I particularly enjoyed. This was on a Samsung Q1 UMPC so it was a nice, compact setup. I had the entertainment (Atwater~Donnelly, a Traditional American Folk music duo) connect it to their amp and start the playlist when they took a break. Thank you, Winamp, for being part of my wedding!

Bill
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: naturfreak on 2013-11-21 21:58:56
What do you guys think about the rumor that Microsoft is about to buy Winamp and Shoutcast from AOL?

http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/source-mi...inamp-from-aol/ (http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/source-microsoft-in-talks-to-buy-shoutcast-and-winamp-from-aol/)
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: Rarn on 2013-11-21 22:37:08
What do you guys think about the rumor that Microsoft is about to buy Winamp and Shoutcast from AOL?

http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/source-mi...inamp-from-aol/ (http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/source-microsoft-in-talks-to-buy-shoutcast-and-winamp-from-aol/)

If they do actually acquire it, I'd think they'd try to integrate Shoutcast into WMP/XBox/etc, though I highly doubt they'd actually revive winamp as a competitor to their own media players.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: William on 2013-11-22 00:34:20
It's been a while since I last logged in here. It so happens that I see this news.

I have not been using Winamp for years, but still sad to see it go.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: C.R.Helmrich on 2013-11-22 10:07:11
http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/source-mi...inamp-from-aol/ (http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/source-microsoft-in-talks-to-buy-shoutcast-and-winamp-from-aol/)

The most reliable German IT magazine, heise.de, mentioned this too and noted that TechCrunch belongs to AOL. So it might be true. I wondered anyway why there was no focus on developing a Winamp app for WP8. Maybe that's one of the things we could see in the future.

eahm, marc2003: simplicity, clarity, efficiency and beauty don't have to be mutually exclusive. Foobar only offers the first three IMHO, Winamp 2.x also offered means for the fourth: skins.
Why not allow simple skinning in foobar, like in Winamp classic?

Chris
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: 2Bdecided on 2013-11-22 10:34:32
I'd just like to echo all the other sentiments. Winamp hasn't been my main player for a long time, but it was amazing what it could do early on, and how innovative it was. The huge variety of plug-ins for DSP, input and output made this deceptively little player exceptionally powerful. I think I left it around the "mini browser" era, when the innovations stopped being interesting for me.

Interesting to hear people mention Winamp and iTunes in the same sentence. I know they compete commercially, but they were such different beasts in my mind that I always assumed they appealed to different kinds of users.

RIP Winamp. Glad to hear the plugins are supported elsewhere.

And of course, Winamp still runs, and hopefully will for many years yet. Plenty of software I use daily is many years old, so I don't get too worried about these things. It's the SW element of HW (i.e. drivers for sometimes expensive physical devices) which tend to cause headaches when the world moves on.

Cheers,
David.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: marc2003 on 2013-11-22 10:35:27
@C.R.Helmrich

foobar already offers more flexibility than any other player. you have a blank canvas to do whatever you like.

with default UI, you have to keep the main menu and status bar. everything else is down to the individual...



edit: just out of interest, what other players do you consider to be beautiful? i certainly don't think i've ever seen a winamp skin that would fall into that category.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: extrabigmehdi on 2013-11-22 13:12:53
@C.R.Helmrich

foobar already offers more flexibility than any other player. you have a blank canvas to do whatever you like.
[...]


Most "beautiful" foobar themes require that you use "columns UI" , but I'm not a fan "columns UI" . Last time I tried "columns UI" , I found that the "playlist behavior" was not exactly the same, and I preferred the default one.  Unfortunately lot of  components are available only if you use  "columns UI".

Quote
edit: just out of interest, what other players do you consider to be beautiful? i certainly don't think i've ever seen a winamp skin that would fall into that category.


Mediamonkey offers some "serious" skinning, although it's not enough polished to be pleasing. There's a skin than makes mediamonkey look like itune.
There's also nice skin support for xmplay.  There's a skin to make xmplay look like winamp, that is very well done.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: foosion on 2013-11-22 13:54:33
This brings back quite a few memories. Fond ones mostly.

time for foobar to brighten up the default config (...) and get all those ex-winampers
It remains to be seen if the users abandon Winamp as suddenly as AOL does. And what Microsoft's plans are.

As I see it skinning support in foobar2000 will only happen if there is a developer with a personal interest in it and the dedication to carry it through. I don't think Peter has this interest.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: papadoc on 2013-11-22 15:26:50
It's been a while since I last logged in here. It so happens that I see this news.


Same here. Since Winamp was the first player I ever used, sad to see this happen, for sentimental reasons if nothing else.

If the forums go away, wonder what DJ Egg is going to do with all the free time.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: binaryhermit on 2013-11-22 16:53:00
If Microsoft buys Winamp, it wouldn't shock me to see Ogg Vorbis/FLAC/etc not supported anymore.  I'm also pretty sure that there won't be an Android version anymore and both WP8 users will enjoy the WP8 version of Winamp.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: C.R.Helmrich on 2013-11-22 19:58:03
foobar already offers more flexibility than any other player. you have a blank canvas to do whatever you like. [...] everything else is down to the individual.

That's exactly the problem I see. What you describe is great for a power-user, but I was considering the perspective of beginners, something out of the box! Don't get me wrong, I use foobar myself (much more than Winamp, actually), but since it's such a well written piece of software, I believe it deserves more users and hence should open up to the average Jane/Joe.

But thanks for the info, foosion, what you explain is understandable.

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what other players do you consider to be beautiful?

None, sadly. Well, I liked the Nero Media Player 1.x 10 years ago when I designed it  , but that design, although nicely compact, sacrificed usability (playlist and some controls too small), so it wasn't that good after all.
(http://static.tz.nl/f/tap/360.jpg)
heise.de lists some alternatives to Winamp (http://www.heise.de/download/special-winamp-alternativen-161101.html), and from that screenshot, Songbird looks alright (but has too many lists to my taste, edit: and isn't developed any further, either).

Anyway, I digress from the original topic: that heise.de site says that they will keep hosting the Winamp installer even after December, which is nice. I just hope it'll take long after December until a critical security issue is found in Winamp, since from that day on, using WA will be dangerous.

Chris
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: db1989 on 2013-11-22 21:29:18
Not sure where to begin pruning, so I shall refrain from bothering at the moment, but can I remind people that this thread is about Winamp, not foobar2000. If you would like to discuss your tangential concerns about the latter, please do so in fb2k/General.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: DigitalDictator on 2013-11-23 00:02:54
I Use Winamp all the time when I convert my FLAC's to mp4 files for my portable. Really user friendly. And on the subject of attractive players, I always liked the old classics such as K-Joföl and Sonique. They sucked but they were pretty cool
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: greynol on 2013-11-23 01:05:59
Winamp 5.35 was (and on some PCs still is) my default player for launching tracks from Explorer.

mp3cue, snapping, ability to decode all the way through corrupt MAC files, and the compact UI were the reasons why I kept it for all these years.

The Winamp 2 Classic has always been my choice for skin.  I even created a version of it for mp3cue so that the plugin wouldn't look so kludgy.

It seems that Winamp Heaven site no longer has old versions for download.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: TomasPin on 2013-11-23 01:24:10
It seems that Winamp Heaven site no longer has old versions for download.

There's a pretty neat archive here (http://www.oldapps.com/winamp.php), up to the latest version.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: eahm on 2013-11-23 02:03:10
It seems that Winamp Heaven site no longer has old versions for download.

There's a pretty neat archive here (http://www.oldapps.com/winamp.php), up to the latest version.

And...even with better sorting: http://www.oldversion.com/windows/winamp/ (http://www.oldversion.com/windows/winamp/)
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: andrew_berge on 2013-11-25 18:02:18
There's a petition (https://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/aol-keep-winamp-alive-or-let-it-go-open-source) going with 13000 signatures so far. It asks AOL to either continue development or release the source.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: marc2003 on 2013-11-25 18:39:08
13000... is that it?  i'd have expected a lot more than that in this time of social media/forums/etc.

and irrespective of the numbers, i can't see AOL changing their mind. still, i suppose there is no harm in trying.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: includemeout on 2013-11-25 18:53:58
There's a petition (https://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/aol-keep-winamp-alive-or-let-it-go-open-source) going with 13000 signatures so far. It asks AOL to either continue development or release the source.


As much as I regret Winamp's demise, I wonder how many of those petitioners have actually bought the full version (having therefore supported the developers) to be in a position to demand anything.

As this is a commercial enterprise after all, I fail to see how on earth, any profitable company would care about whom has never actually purchased their product. (and probably never would, had they persisted on not discontinuing it).
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: kode54 on 2013-11-27 07:35:11
Also, I doubt that any of those people are expecting Winamp to be decades of mess, APIs piled on top of APIs, in a forever attempt to maintain permanent backwards compatibility with every imaginable plug-in.

That's another thing, the community will need to find a new home to mirror all of those plug-ins that AOL is currently hosting.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: mudlord on 2013-11-28 03:00:55
Course not, they expect the codebase to be perfectly clean and an dream.

Just like what happened with VBA.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: mire777 on 2013-11-28 04:55:30
Although i do not use winamp for years, i'm sorry that this is happened.. served me well.. it's sad..
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: antman on 2013-11-28 19:02:35
I'm with greynol, I kept Winamp 5.35 around the longest.  Last version before they added the Bento skin, which I never cared for.

I've always, and probably always will, kept a copy on Winamp around just to manage music on portable devices.  I've used it for my cell, clip, ipod and microsd cards.  I've always loved the options in syncing:  percentage of device to fill, directory/file name output, sync full albums only, and auto-fill.  Anybody else know a program that does the same?  Maybe MediaMonkey?

To me, Winamp lost its way when it began adding video playback.

Sad to see it go.  Winamp and Geiss vis were the coolest thing around back then.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: includemeout on 2013-11-29 00:57:16
Not wanting to divert off topic, but I've started now to wonder how feasible (ie, profitable) other big-named payware media centers/managers (bar iTunes) have actually become, from their developers' POV.

As much as I hate the jargon: a sign of things to come perhaps?
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: Meeko on 2013-11-29 18:41:14
Heard the news, and all I can say is RIP winamp.  I used this back when I was in college and had some cool green theme which showed file properties and huge album art.  Then I discovered foobar and it was goodbye winamp.  It was fun while it lasted.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: westgroveg on 2013-12-06 00:29:50
Below is a good read:

http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/06/wi...r-undid-itself/ (http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/06/winamp-how-greatest-mp3-player-undid-itself/)



Just unlucky, the mix of company politics seems to have been it's undoing, AOL had the grunt just not the expertise to make Winamp into something like what the iPod and iTunes has become
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: Azevedo on 2013-12-18 18:49:39
I remember it like 1998 (?) when it was at it's peak... Listening to Greenday... (MTV era, Beavis and Butthead) (GTA 1 & 2) mp3 was fresh and amazing...
Good times!

Unfortunately it become a bloatware. I'm sticking xmPlay / Foobar2k / AIMP3.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: nastea on 2013-12-19 04:05:37
The best thing of winamp: the 5 second skip (right arrow key)
I really miss that in a lot of modern music (media) players.

I have used winamp a lot with the amazing G-Force visualizer plugin.
But that's probably more than 10 years ago..... Time flies.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: eahm on 2013-12-19 04:10:42
The best thing of winamp: the 5 second skip (right arrow key)
I really miss that in a lot of modern music (media) players.

I use Shift+Alt since it's a Global hotkey but you can personalize it however you want:

(http://i.imgur.com/uZ23xAq.png)
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: nastea on 2013-12-19 04:16:37
I did not know that.
Thanks very much. 
I'm starting to understand why people like foobar so much!
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: musikomaniak on 2013-12-20 16:24:03
I have been using Winamp for many years, until I discovered Foobar.
I'm sad it disappear.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: Destroid on 2014-01-02 03:42:26
http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/01/aol-sells...ator-radionomy/ (http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/01/aol-sells-winamp-and-shoutcast-music-services-to-online-radio-aggregator-radionomy/)

Apparently Radionomy is the actual purchaser, not much else for now but supposedly more news by the end of the week.

Happy New Years!
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: Niwatori on 2014-01-04 11:55:07
... This is one sad news for me ...

i have great times with Winamp for years ... still remember my first time experience of mp3 ... with windows 95

i stop using winamp long time ago since i'm deaf right now ... and i'm no longer have time doing thing relate to music/sound anymore

same to this great forum ... i used to learn many many things from here with many such a great peoples who invented many thing that mostly peoples using today without knowing who behide the stuffs

btw i still rip my collections with EAC backup it with TAK+PAR2 and compress it to musepack ... for listen it some time via my ipod ... 


i'm back to this forum sometime because i like this place ... where i beginning all audio stuffs understanding things about audio ... too bad i don't have good ear for enjoy sound again...


for winamp many great plugins like nsf with keyboard display ... i use it cooperate with tempo control to learn some nes music ...that really great like some spc plugins ...

if no winamp ... i think maybe we don't have foobar2k too  (sorry peter this is what i think .. also need to big thanks to you for foobar2k ...)



sorry for my bad english

i wish everyone doing great in life ... thanks for everyone who ever support and share knowledge here...

- Nito Niwatori
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: C.R.Helmrich on 2014-01-14 15:49:55
Now it's official: www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/radionomy-acquires-winamp-and-shoutcast-from-aol-announces-plans-for-products-240077661.html (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/radionomy-acquires-winamp-and-shoutcast-from-aol-announces-plans-for-products-240077661.html)

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"Winamp is a top independent player that gives millions of people the best player functionality available," said Alexandre Saboundjian, CEO, Radionomy Group. "Its role is clear in the future evolution of online media – we plan to make the player ubiquitous, developing new functionalities dedicated to desktop, mobile, car systems, connected devices and all other platforms."

Chris
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: includemeout on 2014-01-14 16:28:20
Hooray!

But the linked page autoloads into audionomy's before you can say 'My kajigger!'
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: marc2003 on 2014-01-14 16:35:44
the cynic in me thinks a lot of winamp users are now going to buy PRO licenses now their software has been brought back from the brink. i doubt that would happen if the deal had been done before any kind of shut down announcements.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: C.R.Helmrich on 2014-01-14 22:03:19
the linked page autoloads into audionomy's before you can say 'My kajigger!'

  strange, they removed it. Well, let's try http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/14/aol-sells...-audio-company/ (http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/14/aol-sells-winamp-and-shoutcast-for-5-10m-to-radionomy-takes-12-stake-in-belgian-digital-audio-company/) then.

Quote from: marc2003 link=msg=0 date=
the cynic in me thinks a lot of winamp users are now going to buy PRO licenses now their software has been brought back from the brink.

I don't fully follow. You mean as a thank-you?

Chris
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: includemeout on 2014-01-15 02:04:57
If I caught his drift properly, I think he means it in a Streisand Effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect) kind of way.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: ExUser on 2014-01-16 03:58:10
Yeah, people paying money to show support for software they love.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: smok3 on 2014-01-16 10:09:06
Yeah, people paying money to show support for software they love.

Or for the warm old mp3 memories (Since no-one actually used winamp in last ~6 years?) ?
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: ksx4system on 2014-02-21 21:55:50
Or for the warm old mp3 memories (Since no-one actually used winamp in last ~6 years?) ?


I'm not sure if it's only about memories. I've used Winamp back when Windows was my primary OS (but now it's not since *ages*). As far as I know they did Android version and now there is "there's more coming soon" text on winamp.com - maybe Linux release? Who knows...
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: Mach-X on 2014-02-22 06:56:53
I'm not sure why winamp faded in popularity the way it did. There is a wasapi plugin for it, and when I whimsically decide to experiment with AAC or Vorbis, it has FHG and autov encoders built in. It's also oodles more attractive out of the box than foobar, so it still has a permanent place on my pc.
Title: Winamp going away
Post by: moozooh on 2014-03-18 22:09:51
Good night, sweet prince.
Winamp was what I switched to foobar from.

This.

It was a great ride with Winamp; six years during which I realized how much more it was to digital audio than I first thought. Winamp was the player that helped me learn about lossy and lossless compression, about tracked modules and variable bitrate, about the fun of visualization plugins and skinning. Back when various aspects of using a PC to do things was still a fun in itself rather than the status quo.

Now, foobar2000 it is!
Title: Re: Winamp going away
Post by: tuxman on 2021-11-19 15:53:07
The Radionomy guys are currently accepting Winamp 6 beta applications:
https://www.winamp.com :)
Title: Re: Winamp going away
Post by: j7n on 2021-11-19 16:46:48
So it will be an entirely new web-oriented program that might only inherit the name. Was it really worth for them to "buy" Winamp?
Title: Re: Winamp going away
Post by: tuxman on 2021-11-19 16:57:10
Probably not. Remember that Winamp was nothing more than a bycatch as Radionomy basically wanted SHOUTcast.
Similar to what happened when Oracle bought MySQL and accidentally got the whole Sun portfolio with it.
Title: Re: Winamp going away
Post by: polemon on 2021-12-12 22:28:34
There is next to no talk about this on the Winamp forums. The Llama is gone and the site revamp kinda suggests it's gonna be a media streaming platform of sorts.
Title: Re: Winamp going away
Post by: tuxman on 2021-12-13 01:37:15
There’s nothing to talk yet as there is no release yet. I hope they won’t screw it up.