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Nero 7.5 released

Reply #75 –
Quote from: Garf on
This doesn't make it any less illegal. It most definetely is warez.

Here's a thought: I have some free software (not in the GPL sense) on my webpage. Can you redistribute that on your webpage without my permission? You sure as hell CAN NOT. Copyright still applies.

I thought that those "lite" installers were requiring you to download the official installer, and they were not providing any Nero software by themselves.
However I tryed the "not mentioned one" (since my post is now deleted), and it's effectively providing Nero binaries...that's bad...

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Reply #76 –
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but depending on the wording of the license, it is quite possible you would then be in breach of that license, even if you had purchased one


No, these click through licenses cannot alter the fundamentable laws in your country. For example I could create a really good game, but it has a license 'By using this software, you are not allowed to write any bad reviews about it'. I have just effectively created a whole new law, which is rubbish, only Governments can create laws, not software companies.

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Reply #77 –
Quote from: spoon on
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but depending on the wording of the license, it is quite possible you would then be in breach of that license, even if you had purchased one


No, these click through licenses cannot alter the fundamentable laws in your country. For example I could create a really good game, but it has a license 'By using this software, you are not allowed to write any bad reviews about it'. I have just effectively created a whole new law, which is rubbish, only Governments can create laws, not software companies.


I'm not so sure. Try to find a benchmark of any recent Oracle version. The license of Oracle forbids it.

I don't see why a condition on a license is a law. It's a restriction on what you can do with the software. Nobody is forcing you to use it. In the case of EULA's, I agree things are more icky, since you already payed before seeing the license.

But, as far as I know, copying software without permission is still forbidden simply by copyright law, and the lite installers are illegal.

Quote from: Gabriel on
Quote from: Garf on

This doesn't make it any less illegal. It most definetely is warez.

Here's a thought: I have some free software (not in the GPL sense) on my webpage. Can you redistribute that on your webpage without my permission? You sure as hell CAN NOT. Copyright still applies.

I thought that those "lite" installers were requiring you to download the official installer, and they were not providing any Nero software by themselves.


Wouldn't this more or less defeat their purpose?

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Reply #78 –
Quote from: Garf on
Wouldn't this more or less defeat their purpose?

Not really. What i'd like is ability to select only the components I want during installation. Having to download 500MB is not the biggest problem in my case (however usually the download speed of Nero is quite low), but ability to only install what I want.

If I was sure about what Nero is installing, I would not have to install it inside a VMWare image first.
I think that it's quite strange to have to control what an installer is doing, especially considering that some people have paid for it.

edit: on my side I have to admit that I'm still using v6

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Reply #79 –
ok, so I have Nero 7.5.1.1, where is this new encoder?

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Reply #81 –
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I'm not so sure. Try to find a benchmark of any recent Oracle version. The license of Oracle forbids it.

Try IBM 
But, I agree, besides them nobody wants to fight oracle.
It is still unclear, if this oracle agreement breaks some laws or not, I think.

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Reply #82 –
At least in Europe, no agreement can "override" the law. This has been tested in court in many cases, most were against webshops, where European law is very protective of consumers.

Nero 7.5 released

Reply #83 –
Quote from: pepoluan on
Great news! I'll add it to HA Wiki's Download Page

From HA Wiki:
[blockquote]DeepBurner Free -> GPL 
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Infra Recorder -> Free  [/blockquote]

Quote from: Garf on
This doesn't make it any less illegal. It most definetely is warez.

Oh, well... here's what i mean for warez (from wikipedia  ):
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The word "warez" was coined to indicate more than one piece of pirated software, as "software" is a non-count noun and users found it natural to use a count noun to differentiate between one "ware" (one piece of software [one program]) and multiple "warez" (multiple pieces of software [multiple programs]). Due to the relatively large amounts of time needed to transfer large files over slow telephone modems and bulletin board systems (BBSes), pirates would typically ask for one-for-one trades from other pirates. Hence, software pirates adopted a merchant-like attitude with their software collections and the term "wares" was apt.

To be honest, from the same page: Warez refers primarily to copyright material traded in violation of copyright law. - that is probably what you mean. Anyway, due to a non-commercial nature of these "alternative packages", i prefer to call them  'unofficial'.

Nero 7.5 released

Reply #84 –
Quote from: Gabriel on
Quote from: Garf on

Wouldn't this more or less defeat their purpose?

Not really. What i'd like is ability to select only the components I want during installation. Having to download 500MB is not the biggest problem in my case (however usually the download speed of Nero is quite low), but ability to only install what I want.

If I was sure about what Nero is installing, I would not have to install it inside a VMWare image first.
I think that it's quite strange to have to control what an installer is doing, especially considering that some people have paid for it.

edit: on my side I have to admit that I'm still using v6


Since version 7 you can select what components you want to install.


Quote from: jimhaddon on
ok, so I have Nero 7.5.1.1, where is this new encoder?


Which one?

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Reply #85 –
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Since version 7 you can select what components you want to install.

Including Scout?

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Reply #86 –
The 'High profile' and mp3pro support. I have no idea where in Nero these features are. Also, Nero Scout sucks. I've had it running for about 2 hours indexing, and now its just crashed

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Reply #87 –
Quote from: jimhaddon on
The 'High profile' and mp3pro support.


High profile can be enabled via Expert Settings in Recode. Check the box that says "8x8 transform".

MP3Pro I have no idea, I don't use that.

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Reply #88 –
Quote from: PatchWorKs on
Quote from: pepoluan on
Great news! I'll add it to HA Wiki's Download Page

From HA Wiki:
[blockquote]DeepBurner Free -> GPL 
.
.
Infra Recorder -> Free  [/blockquote]
Uhh... something wrong?

I only add Infra Recorder, and to the best of my knowledge it's free.

The column was originally "Price"... I think HotShotGG changed that to "License"... hey, Hotshot! Come here and fix the mess up will ya? 

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Reply #89 –
The problem is..
advanced user? you know what's good for you? you get thoughts about having unneccessarily huge downloads,  taking hd-capacity and bandwidth, you say 'hooray' as you know this is not realy neccessary ?  --> a lite (or let's say 'slimmer') installer would come handy
mainstream-man? you don't care, you take it all, you install it all and you use it all  --> well,you are a perfect consumer, best victim for marketing strategies..  you get nero-ed!

  I really like the Nero products (except Scout), but installer and update still needs some enhancements.

Otherwise, thumb up !!

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Reply #90 –
Quote from: pepoluan on
Uhh... something wrong?

I only add Infra Recorder, and to the best of my knowledge it's free.


Infra Recorder is GPL (check here), DeepBurner Free is... free (closed source). 

Anyway i wanna remember you that open source means "free in speech" not "free beer"... for example FairUse Wizard is GPL but you must donate to obtain the full version.

Open source does not mean free of charge ! 

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Reply #91 –
Inofficial "lite" installers are just what you ask for with a CD-burning-program that takes a 190MB setup file... make it "lite" yourself or others will do - warez or not.

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Reply #92 –
I can't see it mentioned, but does anyone know whether the large file size problem has been fixed on the H.264 encoder yet, or if not, when it might be fixed?

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Reply #93 –
when Nero Digital Audio for Linux will be released? Ivan said that it was coming...

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Reply #94 –
Quote from: digitalradiotech on
I can't see it mentioned, but does anyone know whether the large file size problem has been fixed on the H.264 encoder yet, or if not, when it might be fixed?




It has not been fixed yet. JohnV reported on doom9 that Nero is waiting for a fix from Ateme.



Quote from: rootkit on
when Nero Digital Audio for Linux will be released? Ivan said that it was coming...




I was working on this project, but since I left Nero, I'm afraid this might be postponed for a while?

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Reply #95 –
Quote from: Garf on
Quote from: rootkit on
when Nero Digital Audio for Linux will be released? Ivan said that it was coming...




I was working on this project, but since I left Nero, I'm afraid this might be postponed for a while?


Well one question, did you use GTK+ or Qt for the interface. I guess GTK+? :/
An eye for eye will make the whole world blind

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Reply #96 –
None interface, only command line tool...

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Reply #97 –
Well all I can say is at least the Lite installer works on Windows Vista.  I find it appalling that Nero would promote themselves as being an early adopter of the Vista Compatibility program, and yet their software suite won't even install with 1 month until the (expected) Release To Manufacturing of Vista.  Will Nero actually get a version out that installs on Vista before the RTM?

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Reply #98 –
Here's the filter which should fix the Nero 7.5.1.1 AVC 2-pass oversize: http://morbo.org/nero/NeNDVid_2_6_28_1.zip
Extract the NeNDVid.ax to "\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\DSFilter" in order to replace the old one.

Please report any problems. Thanks.
Juha Laaksonheimo
 

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Reply #99 –
I'm updating now and wow the servers are so saturated with people it's like 7.0kb/s omg it says it's like 10:00 min to download from a 189.00mb file from a SERVER.  from a huge company.  It's unbalievable how slow the download it.  There must be so many people downloading it now.  Although i love nero it's the greatest.  I use burning rom express and my favorite recode.  Wow it makes ungodly MPEG 4 vids in nero digital codec .  They upscale so beautifully.  There are barely no artifacts