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Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: neoufo51 on 27 February, 2005, 04:52:01 AM
I found the Noise Sharpening DSP on this component to be one of the main reasons I love foobar2000. I don't think I can listen to mp3's without it!

I highly recommend it to anybody.
http://pelit.koillismaa.fi/plugins/dsp.php#92 (http://pelit.koillismaa.fi/plugins/dsp.php#92)
(for foobar2000 0.8.3)

To the developer, thanks so much for this great plugin. 

----

No prob.

~ the developer

http://foosion.foobar2000.org/components/ (http://foosion.foobar2000.org/components/)
(for foobar2000 0.9.5 and newer)


moderation: updated download link for foobar2000 0.9.5 version
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Insolent on 27 February, 2005, 08:10:35 AM
Wow! That DSP is awesome. I'm usually not one for DSPs (in fact all I had before was just crossfading via DirectSound v2.0), but I must say I'll be keeping this one. Thanks.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: neoufo51 on 27 February, 2005, 08:58:57 AM
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Wow! That DSP is awesome. I'm usually not one for DSPs (in fact all I had before was just crossfading via DirectSound v2.0), but I must say I'll be keeping this one. Thanks.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=277540"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

I was the same way myself.

Here's something interesting. I publicized this plugin in another well known forum and I'm currently getting all sorts of responses with people saying that they will leave Winamp AND ITunes for Foobar2000 since their music sounds so much better with this component. Some are even asking for a port, and I of course gave credit to the developer and pointed them to his page.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: DeepDose on 27 February, 2005, 09:03:55 AM
I thought I'd try this out.....I only needed a slight enhanced...as my setup is pretty prime.....this is pretty good stuff.....everyone should leave winamp lol
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: spase on 27 February, 2005, 11:17:30 AM
haha yeah.

its cool what a little fun with mathematics can do

hmm

maybe ssamadhi97 is a mathemagician?

(simpsons anyone?)
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Sandman2012 on 27 February, 2005, 01:02:47 PM
heh-heh I saw that ep, spase.

In any case I usually don't use DSPs or even EQ, but this one seems pretty subtle. I'll try it for a while and see how I like it. Can any of the hardcore audio guys here explain if this will affect clipping and such (the only other DSP I use in the stack is the Advanced Limiter)?
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Comanche -hM on 27 February, 2005, 07:04:11 PM
it seems that the treble is a lot high in the musics, i turned the settings to 60% and now its all good, without the DSP enabled the treble in the music seem a little bit layed out or cutted off, something like that...

but i want some more tecnical explanations about, someone? 
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: acedriver on 28 February, 2005, 12:53:27 AM
a good plugin.. 50% is enough for me..
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Insolent on 28 February, 2005, 01:06:18 AM
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it seems that the treble is a lot high in the musics, i turned the settings to 60% and now its all good, without the DSP enabled the treble in the music seem a little bit layed out or cutted off, something like that...

but i want some more tecnical explanations about, someone? 
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That's what I noticed -- the bass was seriously lacking. But setting it to around 60 evens it out a bit.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: wimms on 28 February, 2005, 04:09:22 PM
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it seems that the treble is a lot high in the musics, i turned the settings to 60% and now its all good, without the DSP enabled the treble in the music seem a little bit layed out or cutted off, something like that...

but i want some more tecnical explanations about, someone? 
Hehe, I'm tempted to create a snake oil urban legend around it  wonder how long it takes before this will become a "fact" 

/tongue in cheek/
You see, the oversampling DAC you most certainly use has to unavoidably do some digital filtering on the signal to do its job, which resembles something opposite to what this dsp does - and as a side affect is causing music a little bit layed out or cutted off in  highs, something like that... So this noise sharpening is sorta undoing the damage by predistorting the signal in a manner that gets again undone by the DAC later. In effect, you get "more realistic" music, "as it was recorded". Now you can get the glimpse of why many audiophiles accept only non-oversampling purist DACs. And, um, you can get that without spending $$$$ now.

/tongue in cheek/

Well, in reality, you experience loudness race in its purest form - that which sounds louder feels to sound better. You get used to it very fast, and turning back is pain.
It mixes derivative of the signal (difference to previous sample) with signal itself. Amplitude of this derivative is higher with higher frequencies, thats why only treble is notably affected.
It is a sort of equalizer that increases treble in dependence to high frequency content amplitude - higher amplitude signals get increased more than lower amplitude content. It feels like "curtain has been unvelied" 
Anyone remember Dolby B in tapes sounding better without undoing Dolby compression?
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Rash on 28 February, 2005, 06:09:39 PM
So, wimms, are you saying that this "increase in treble" is more correct? Is a more realistic sound?
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: wimms on 01 March, 2005, 05:15:57 AM
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=tongue-in-cheek (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=tongue-in-cheek)
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: MrEnergizer on 01 March, 2005, 06:14:06 PM
yeah im liking this for now....will test it out properly only using it at 40% as I set my eq high on tops (treble) anyway.
Nice plugin
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: gizbug on 23 March, 2005, 06:25:42 PM
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I found the Noise Sharpening DSP on this component to be one of the main reasons I love foobar2000. I don't think I can listen to mp3's without it!

I highly recommend it to anybody.
http://pelit.koillismaa.fi/plugins/dsp.php#92 (http://pelit.koillismaa.fi/plugins/dsp.php#92)

To the developer, thanks so much for this great plugin. 
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How do I set this up? There we 3 components added to the list.  2 give me no bass and high trebile, 1 gives me way too much bass.....
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: ssamadhi97 on 23 March, 2005, 06:55:43 PM
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How do I set this up? There we 3 components added to the list.  2 give me no bass and high trebile, 1 gives me way too much bass.....
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=285003"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


There should be a 4th new entry in the dsp list, Noise sharpening, which is the one these people here are enjoying. Glad you people like it, btw.

(as for other questions etc in this thread, I'll answer after some sleep.. if I don't forget to)
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: waileongyeo on 24 March, 2005, 04:44:44 AM
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How do I set this up? There we 3 components added to the list.  2 give me no bass and high trebile, 1 gives me way too much bass.....
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=285003"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


@ssamadhi97,
I got the 4th entry in the dsp list.  However, I am also confused by these 4 entries, seems like the "integrate" MUST to be used with EITHER "differentiate" or "diff; safe". I put "Noise sharpening" after two of these.

i.e.
1. convert LPCM to delta-PCM (differentiate)
2. convert delta-PCM to LPCM (integrate)
3. Noise sharpening (how many % is the best?? My default is 100.  )

This is the best combination I get so far, pls advice me if you got better configuration or sequence of the entries to be loaded in dsp manager.

Thanks. 
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: ep0ch on 24 March, 2005, 05:10:36 AM
Won't the first two just be cancelling each other out? So remove them - they shouldn't be needed, just use Noise Sharpening on its own.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: p0wder on 24 March, 2005, 05:50:13 AM
I set it to 40.  Sounds great.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: ssamadhi97 on 24 March, 2005, 08:31:33 AM
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Won't the first two just be cancelling each other out? So remove them - they shouldn't be needed, just use Noise Sharpening on its own.
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Indeed. If f(t) is your input audio signal (t = time), the output of the functions is as follows:

Convert LPCM to delta-PCM (differentiate): f'(t)
Convert delta-PCM to LPCM (integrate): F(t)
Noise sharpening: f(t) + f'(t)

I implemented the first one because it was requested (by wimms iirc), the second one as a means to test whether the first one works properly etc, and the third one.. dunno.. because I was bored and felt like playing around with this stuff.

And indeed, Noise sharpening can/should be used alone.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Andrea on 24 March, 2005, 10:18:49 AM
Wow! Nice plugin! 40% is good for me too
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Borisz on 24 March, 2005, 11:04:02 AM
wow, this indeed makes the sound sharper. Nice work there.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: waileongyeo on 24 March, 2005, 11:21:42 AM
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Noise sharpening: f(t) + f'(t)
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Isn't this means I asked my foobar to do a double job here? haaa.. 

Now I removed any "integrate" & "diff" and leave the Noise sharpening works great!
Thanks to pointing this out else I'm still in blur.. 
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Borisz on 24 March, 2005, 12:22:56 PM
hmm, it seems that some tunes, especially ones with already high treble on them get too clear with this plugin, and sound worse then they should be. Vinyl and MIDI recordings seem to suffer from this it seems. (MFSL Beatles recordings, Doom 2 midi recordings)
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: viveztigrou on 24 March, 2005, 01:26:39 PM
Hi guys, I love foobar2000 but perharps am not I as good an audiophile-tester as you all dudes!
so here is my config:

Jimi Hendrix - Stepping Stone (mpc 1.15v insane profile) 
creative soundblaster live! 24 bits external
24 bits (no dither) @ 48000 khz SRC (Sinc best) Resampler -> directsound 2.5 output

(https://hydrogenaud.io/imgcache.php?id=e088711755bf7e0f7b5609618d78a5db" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click to view at original size" data-url="http://sylvain.guidi.free.fr/how-to-use-foo_dsp-delta.png)

Have I well done?
Thanks for your forum, your time and your help!

Sylvain, France
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: kl33per on 25 March, 2005, 05:08:19 AM
Take out "convert LPCM to delta-PCM (diff; safe)" & "convert delta-PCM to LPCM (integrate)"
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: SafirXP on 25 March, 2005, 09:23:27 AM
this plugin's awesome! great for the crappy 128kbps files i have... makes them sound a lot lot better!

i'm using this dsp config:
Gap killer
Equalizer
Noise sharpening
Channel mixer
Advanced limiter

is that ok?
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: spived on 25 March, 2005, 11:27:15 AM
Hi, how are you?

Is there another way to download this plug-in, like a Zip? 

Because I'm behind a firewall and can't download DLLs and EXEs

Thanks in advance!
Rodolfo from Mexico
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: hödyr on 25 March, 2005, 01:02:38 PM
I set up a mirror. Hope you guys don't break my traffic limit . http://digitalfrost.planetzord.de/foo_dsp_delta.zip (http://digitalfrost.planetzord.de/foo_dsp_delta.zip)
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: ev0| on 25 March, 2005, 01:07:19 PM
Yeah, i love this thing too. I used to have it up at 125, but the transients were too clear (noise, hissing etc)

Reducing it to 60 gives a much better result. I've got some really nice sound with foobar now.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Funkstar De Luxe on 25 March, 2005, 01:18:55 PM
30 was too much for me :-)

25 = perfection
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: neoufo51 on 20 March, 2006, 09:38:58 PM
0.9 could really use this now that its out...
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: ssamadhi97 on 21 March, 2006, 01:35:13 PM
Yeah yeah yeah here you go 

foo_dsp_delta for foobar2000 0.9 final (http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uybc/foo_dsp_delta.zip)


I'm glad to see that people are enjoying this plugin so much, even though it isn't much more than a little experimental boredom project.

Have fun!


PS: Special thanks to foosion for compiling as I don't have the necessary resources right now.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: villiansv on 21 March, 2006, 01:43:19 PM
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Yeah yeah yeah here you go 

foo_dsp_delta for foobar2000 0.9 final (http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uybc/foo_dsp_delta.zip)


I'm glad to see that people are enjoying this plugin so much, even though it isn't much more than a little experimental boredom project.

Have fun!


PS: Special thanks to foosion for compiling as I don't have the necessary resources right now.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=373477"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


A big thank you to both you and foosion.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: djet on 21 March, 2006, 03:20:40 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the result of this component output is similar to a linear frequency raise? Since dsin(2pi*n*f*t)/dt = 2pi*n*cos(2pi*n*f*t), the added signal is dependent from f and its amplitude is higher at high frequencies.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: foosion on 21 March, 2006, 03:34:25 PM
Yes. This is also quite easy to see if you use basic rules about the Fourier transform (pictures from Mathworld (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FourierTransform.html)):
(https://hydrogenaud.io/imgcache.php?id=5ab2aca7b2423fe3d4c1d8aa20ef9575" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click to view at original size" data-url="http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/equations/FourierTransform/inline115.gif) = (https://hydrogenaud.io/imgcache.php?id=fec8e6da732389c3f92eec9a4995d2e0" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click to view at original size" data-url="http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/equations/FourierTransform/inline120.gif)
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Chaser on 21 March, 2006, 03:59:47 PM
What effect strenght are you guys using?

PS: It really makes a difference 8)
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: skelly831 on 21 March, 2006, 05:03:07 PM
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What effect strenght are you guys using?

PS: It really makes a difference 8)
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From 15% to 25% depending on the HF content of the music I'm listening to.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Rash on 21 March, 2006, 06:37:26 PM
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I'm glad to see that people are enjoying this plugin so much, even though it isn't much more than a little experimental boredom project.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=373477"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

What? Are you kidding? This an awsome plugin. Really! Thank you so much.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: ssamadhi97 on 21 March, 2006, 07:13:43 PM
Well, basically (and this is imo another interesting - albeit somewhat obvious - observation in the vein of what foosion and djet talked about) the operation this plugin performs is very simple: It's merely a convolution with (-a 1+a), where a, the effect strength (or the factor a in f(t)+a*f(t), see my description earlier in this thread (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=31899&view=findpost&p=285176)), is in [0; 2]

If you apply this on an image, you will see that it's simply an unilinear sharpening filter - hence the name I picked for the dsp effect.


@Chaser: I use anything from 0-200, depending on how muffled the recording is. I have a lot of live music on my harddisk, and a considerable amount of these recordings sounds a lot better to me with the help of foo_dsp_delta.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: acedriver on 21 March, 2006, 11:04:52 PM
Thx for the update.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: markanini on 22 March, 2006, 07:09:53 AM
Would it be possible to make a plugin that does the oppisite as well? I've got some recordings that sound very harsh. Preferably in a "passive" fashion to aviod clipping.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: ssamadhi97 on 22 March, 2006, 10:15:15 AM
What do you mean by "'passive' fashion?"

That aside, yes, I've been thinking about that. We'll see what happens.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: markanini on 22 March, 2006, 01:22:43 PM
Negative gain instead of positive to avoid clipping.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: realdaguru on 22 March, 2006, 08:04:42 PM
I had this awesome DSP before my computer got fried. Now, I'm trying to re-install it, but I'm having a problem.

I put the .dll file in the components folder.
I open foobar2000.
I get an error message that says:
"Failed to load DLL: foo_dsp_delta.dll
Reason: This component is missing a required dependency, or was made for different version of foobar2000."

Because of whatever this means, the noise sharpener doesn't appear in the DSP manager. Can anyone help me?
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Chaser on 23 March, 2006, 06:31:10 AM
realdaguro: First of all, what version of foobar are you using? 0.8.3 or 0.9?
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: realdaguru on 23 March, 2006, 09:07:37 PM
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realdaguro: First of all, what version of foobar are you using? 0.8.3 or 0.9?
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I'm using v0.9. I can't find any other version.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: foosion on 24 March, 2006, 03:09:49 AM
Make sure you downloaded the 0.9 version of foo_dsp_delta (second link in first post).
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Rogue` on 07 April, 2006, 05:13:32 PM
Got this a few weeks ago, forgot to say thanks.  So thanks for the nice plugin
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Ran Sagy on 07 April, 2006, 05:21:27 PM
Same, pretty nice. Good work :]
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: gecko_mayhem on 07 April, 2006, 08:15:32 PM
Awesome, I really like the way it works.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: DanManIt on 11 August, 2006, 06:35:05 PM
0.9 could really use this now that its out...


I get a 403 forbidden, is there anyway else I can get the .9 version?
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: cristina on 11 August, 2006, 07:42:41 PM
^ Same here. I'd really like to try it, is it available somewhere else?
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Ran Sagy on 11 August, 2006, 08:12:23 PM
I uploaded the copy i had (v0.1.1 for v0.9.x) to rapidshare. Enjoy.

http://rapidshare.de/files/29070379/foo_dsp_delta.rar.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/29070379/foo_dsp_delta.rar.html)
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Yann on 11 August, 2006, 09:19:11 PM
Thanks for the link ChaosBladE!! 

The Noise Sharpering is magnifique. in what porcentage you use it normally?
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: cristina on 12 August, 2006, 12:40:08 AM
thanks a lot ChaosBladE

50% is good for me
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Ran Sagy on 12 August, 2006, 05:47:37 AM
I use it at about 60% or otherwise it is too noisy for live recordings and such.
Sure thing about the link, Happy to help, Enjoy it and big thanks to ssamadhi97
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: PonasX on 12 August, 2006, 06:45:06 AM
There can i find settings of this plugin ?
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Ran Sagy on 12 August, 2006, 07:07:35 AM
When you add it in the DSP manager, You have a small "configure" button above the list. Just select this DSP and click it.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: tool++ on 12 August, 2006, 08:34:22 AM
Ha, you can do this with an SPS preset in WA
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Ran Sagy on 12 August, 2006, 10:40:55 AM
Oh noes, He used the forbidden word
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: TrNSZ on 17 August, 2006, 01:27:33 AM
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Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: tool++ on 06 September, 2006, 08:29:53 AM
Can we get a non-rapidshare link.

NTL users cannot get rapidshare
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: xx1 on 06 September, 2006, 11:48:15 AM
Can we get a non-rapidshare link.

NTL users cannot get rapidshare


I upload another sites.

http://www.badongo.net/file/1357745 (http://www.badongo.net/file/1357745)

http://www.sendspace.com/file/hqxets (http://www.sendspace.com/file/hqxets)

sendspace is no waiting.

Hava a nice a day. 
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: vas85 on 27 December, 2006, 11:23:40 PM
hey guys, thanks for this awesome DSP plugin, at first I didn't know what to expect... i've been using Foobar since 0.7 and if it wasn't for this noise sharpening filter I would have switched by now... it just makes music sound Magnificent... no other progarm can even touch Foobar with this config.

I don't use the Equalizer in foobar, just this plugin, with my Z4 Logitech 2.1 speakers at stock Bass middle knob setting delivers absolutely perfect crisp music.

Oh and I use this at 126% Might be lil excessive for some, but with rich bass I believe equally rich treble is needed, its not the type to peirce your ears either, thats the great thing about this plugin. :thumbsup:
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Howie87 on 12 January, 2007, 05:39:54 AM

Can we get a non-rapidshare link.

NTL users cannot get rapidshare


I upload another sites.

http://www.badongo.net/file/1357745 (http://www.badongo.net/file/1357745)

http://www.sendspace.com/file/hqxets (http://www.sendspace.com/file/hqxets)

sendspace is no waiting.

Hava a nice a day. 


Thanks very much for this mate
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: SBeaver on 12 January, 2007, 09:52:42 AM
Should resampling be done before or after the sharpening?
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: foosion on 12 January, 2007, 09:59:38 AM
If you do the resampling first, the results of the sharpening will be more consistent.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: bubbleguuum on 14 January, 2007, 11:25:22 AM
I just tried this plugin and it is very useful with files that have a muffled sound or lack clarity.
That's probably why people find it enhance the sound.

It's less useful with already crystal clear sounding music as it would make it more metallic.
In fact the settings of the plugin should be different for each album for the better sound possible.

I can achieve pretty much the same effect by adjusting the high equalizer fader of my behringer console and adding som extra stereo field with the surround button.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: kopf on 14 January, 2007, 08:56:27 PM
http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uybc/foo_dsp_delta.zip (http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uybc/foo_dsp_delta.zip)
(for foobar2000 0.9)


moderation: added download link for updated version for foobar2000 0.9


This download link is 403 Forbidden.. Anyone?
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Chaser on 15 January, 2007, 01:18:20 AM
look a few posts above
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: gpo on 26 May, 2007, 08:32:16 PM
Just an idea, what about an updated foo_dsp_delta(or a new plugin that works with it) that reads the bitrate and type(mp3,vorbis,etc) of a track and adjusts the effect strength!
This way you wouldn't have to adjust the effect all the time, 0% for lossless codecs, 100% for 128kbps mp3s!
Think about it.


PS:Thanks for the plugin, i'm anxious to test it tomorrow that my new speakers arrive..
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: bluestreak912 on 21 July, 2007, 03:30:11 AM
Hi guys and gals,

I think that the noise sharpening DSP is awesome. 

The other day I noticed something odd when I listened to this 20 to 20 sine sweep.  The sound became drastically altered near the end of the sweep.  Multiple tones and a sweeping, swooshing sound (it seemed).  Reminded me of Sci-Fi effects.  Well I cleared out my component list and put them back one-by-one.  The noise sharpening DSP is the only component that I could tell that caused those odd noises.  So I experimented with the settings.  50% seemed to be the highest I could go without making those sounds.

Does anyone know about this?  Is it my soundcard (ESS, cheap-o) or the DSP? 

The file I listened to is here: http://www.4horsemen.net/binkster/tracks/track06.zip (http://www.4horsemen.net/binkster/tracks/track06.zip) (Be ready to turn down the volume!)
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Ran Sagy on 21 July, 2007, 04:36:09 AM
I don't set it higher than 60% myself, The sound seem to get somewhat awkward after that. I'm on an even cheaper SoundBlaster Audigy Value! card.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Steven123 on 12 December, 2007, 12:06:58 PM
Hi ssamadhi97:

Thank you for the "noise sharpening" DSP.  It's Excellent!!!  ...  Very crispy and clear!

I like it so much I wish I could use it when playing a DVD concert video without having to rip the dvd and play through foobar2000.

I wish the noise sharpening dsp could be compiled to be a plug-in with any dvd player of your choice. 
For example, like WinDVD, PowerDVD, VLC media player, or Media Player Classic...

Or, maybe there's a way to make it a codec filter or something that fits in there some how. 

Or, do I dare say, make foobar2000 able to play DVD's?  lol 

Just something on my wish list!  Thanks for listening...


Steven
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XP pro sp2;
LynxTwo-B sound card analog out to Denon AVR-3805 to 5.1 Aperion speakers.  etc, etc...
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Post by: gizbug on 21 January, 2008, 02:38:21 PM
60% eh?
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Post by: AlleyMan on 22 January, 2008, 01:46:25 PM
Re-upping the plugin for foobar2000 0.9.x since the links in the thread seem to be dead:

http://www.mediafire.com/?7axpnddjzsl (http://www.mediafire.com/?7axpnddjzsl)
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Post by: xan K on 11 August, 2008, 11:12:50 PM
LOL, now I can't imagine listening music without this gem. It's the perfect complement to my Logitech Z-5500 speakers. THANKS!!!
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Post by: chrish` on 24 August, 2008, 07:39:06 AM
seriously, i love this! i came across this accidentally and thought it wouldn't hurt trying it out. the noise sharpener makes the sound so clear - i really cannot switch back.. without it, my music now just sounds dull

YAY
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Post by: TedFromAccounting on 19 October, 2008, 08:30:22 PM
Can we get this updated so it works with 0.9.6?
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Post by: foosion on 24 October, 2008, 10:22:18 AM
An updated version of foo_dsp_delta is available from my components page.
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Post by: acedriver on 24 October, 2008, 08:39:08 PM
thx for the update
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Post by: casedawg on 24 October, 2008, 09:07:00 PM
Is this overkill if I already have a high quality DAC?
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Post by: patul on 24 October, 2008, 09:24:02 PM
@foosion: Thank you for the update 
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Post by: foosion on 25 October, 2008, 05:50:20 PM
casedawg: Strictly speaking, nobody really needs this DSP. It's just that some people like the effect. If you want to compensate deficiencies in your playback equipment or listening environment, the convolver or the equalizer are more appropriate tools.
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Post by: n0obie4life on 27 October, 2008, 12:37:46 AM
@foosion: thanks.
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Post by: AndrewA on 27 October, 2008, 12:56:35 AM
Oooo... sexy sound 

Thanks for the component and thanks for the link! I've just gotten into Fb2k and I must say, this program is absolutely amazing. With all the components I have running, it's still a mere fraction of the system resources as winamp. Let alone that memory-leaking hog called iTunes.
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Post by: Kaboose on 30 November, 2008, 12:08:03 PM
thanks alot !
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Post by: dannymichel on 24 February, 2009, 05:37:37 PM
is there a new version?
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Post by: mlauzon on 19 May, 2009, 11:22:58 AM
I set it to 40.  Sounds great.


How do you do that?


is there a new version?


Same question.
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: foosion on 22 May, 2009, 05:24:11 AM
is there a new version?
Is there a problem with the current version?
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Post by: Ruhe on 22 May, 2009, 10:18:26 AM
is there a new version?
Is there a problem with the current version?


Quote
Failed to load DLL: foo_dsp_delta.dll
Reason: This component is not compatible with this version of Windows and needs to be recompiled with a newer version of the foobar2000 SDK; please contact the author of this component to obtain an updated version of this component.


I remember getting this message in Windows Vista, it was fixed by forcing Foobar into Windows XP SP2 compatibility mode. However, now I'm using Windows 7 and when I enabling compatibility mode forces Foobar into an elevated state... which disables drag and drop between Foobar and explorer folders.

It'd be nice if there was a new version compiled, but until then (if ever) I'll find ways to work around it.
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Post by: mlauzon on 22 May, 2009, 10:27:54 AM
is there a new version?
Is there a problem with the current version?


Quote
Failed to load DLL: foo_dsp_delta.dll
Reason: This component is not compatible with this version of Windows and needs to be recompiled with a newer version of the foobar2000 SDK; please contact the author of this component to obtain an updated version of this component.


I remember getting this message in Windows Vista, it was fixed by forcing Foobar into Windows XP SP2 compatibility mode. However, now I'm using Windows 7 and when I enabling compatibility mode forces Foobar into an elevated state... which disables drag and drop between Foobar and explorer folders.

It'd be nice if there was a new version compiled, but until then (if ever) I'll find ways to work around it.


I got that error message on one of the visulisations, didn't try and put foobar2000 into compmode, I am on Vista x64...will try doing that; however certain plugins should be fixed.
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Post by: Ruhe on 22 May, 2009, 10:48:49 AM
Okay, I guess I should've done my homework. I must've been using the older version. Did some digging around and stumbled upon version 1.0.0. Then I realized the first post was updated with that version. (doh!) I installed the new version and it works under Windows 7 now without issue.

Sorry for the confusion.
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Post by: foosion on 22 May, 2009, 10:49:48 AM
I remember getting this message in Windows Vista, it was fixed by forcing Foobar into Windows XP SP2 compatibility mode. However, now I'm using Windows 7 and when I enabling compatibility mode forces Foobar into an elevated state... which disables drag and drop between Foobar and explorer folders.
Are you using the version from here (http://foosion.foobar2000.org/components/?id=delta)?
Title: I heart foo_dsp_delta!
Post by: Ruhe on 22 May, 2009, 10:57:13 AM
I remember getting this message in Windows Vista, it was fixed by forcing Foobar into Windows XP SP2 compatibility mode. However, now I'm using Windows 7 and when I enabling compatibility mode forces Foobar into an elevated state... which disables drag and drop between Foobar and explorer folders.
Are you using the version from here (http://foosion.foobar2000.org/components/?id=delta)?


Yeah, I am now.
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Post by: MusX on 14 October, 2009, 04:15:56 PM
many people here are very excited about sound quality using that plugin. I've got quite sensitive hearing (based on ABX's I've already made) and this plugin don't boost my sound quality as much as for others... might that be caused by quite good stuff E-MU 0202 + HD555? on 200% I got treble boost, on 50% I'm not sure if I hear any difference... is there a way to ABX same track on two different DSP sets?
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Post by: letmein on 16 October, 2009, 01:24:34 PM
Just started using this today, it's great (set at 50%). I'd like to use Secret Rabit Code Resampler (http://www.mega-nerd.com/SRC/fb2k.html (http://www.mega-nerd.com/SRC/fb2k.html)) as well, but it seems to be outdated as I cannot install it (error msg). Is there a newer version or a way I can force install it?

I'm using a Dell laptop (Inspiron 1545). The laptop speakers really don't sound good, and when I plug my laptop into my stereo, it doesn't sound much better. Does anyone know any other methods of increasing audio quality?
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Post by: Andreasvb on 16 October, 2009, 04:06:30 PM
Just started using this today, it's great (set at 50%). I'd like to use Secret Rabit Code Resampler (http://www.mega-nerd.com/SRC/fb2k.html (http://www.mega-nerd.com/SRC/fb2k.html)) as well, but it seems to be outdated as I cannot install it (error msg). Is there a newer version or a way I can force install it?

There's no new version, and will most likely never be.
Read here why.
http://www.mega-nerd.com/erikd/Blog/CodeHa...e/foobar2k.html (http://www.mega-nerd.com/erikd/Blog/CodeHacking/SecretRabbitCode/foobar2k.html)
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Post by: Dr_Colossus on 16 October, 2009, 06:02:39 PM
Try the SoX resampler.

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=67373 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=67373)
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Post by: Lighttree on 19 January, 2010, 06:49:54 AM
Will there be a version for Foobar 1.0?

Thanks 
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Post by: lvqcl on 19 January, 2010, 07:38:59 AM
Will there be a version for Foobar 1.0?


Lighttree, look at Post #94 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=31899&view=findpost&p=636327).
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Post by: Lighttree on 19 January, 2010, 11:05:47 AM
Will there be a version for Foobar 1.0?


Lighttree, look at Post #94 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=31899&view=findpost&p=636327).

Oh wow I thought I already had the latest version.

Many thanks!