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  • Fiamma
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I have been backing up my Mosaic Collectors sets for a few weeks now, so I can play the copies and not risk damage to my expensive and mostly OOP originals.

Things have been going well until today.  I have the Stanley Turrentine Blue Note Stanley Turrentine Quintet/Sextet Studio Sessions set.  I put the first disc in and got a badly titled response from freedb.  I corrected the information and ripped the CD.  The EAC response was perfect CRC matches, the log, however, on 7 of 8 tracks said : track not fully ripped for AccurateRip lookup.  The 8th track was fine.

The second disc came up with a totally wrong name, the name of the original album and year included in this remastered compilation.  Same deal 7 of 8 tracks with the same messge, 1 track fine.

It went this way through all the discs in this set.

What does this message mean?  How can EAC rip tracks and have them not fully ripped for AccurateRip lookup when they all have Matching CRC, were all ripped with Test and Copy, properly gapped and tested for silence.

I'm at a loss.  The FLAC's play perfectly.  Is there something here I'm not seeing?

Any response would be helpful

Thanks in advance

  • greynol
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Reply #1
Please post a rip log so that we don't have guess as to what might be wrong.

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properly gapped
I suspect your problem lies here.

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tested for silence.
It is quite easy to misinterpret the results from testing gaps on silence.  I would not waste my time with this "feature".

You can read more about gaps and testing on silence here:
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?ti...AC_Gap_Settings
  • Last Edit: 11 June, 2011, 07:39:41 PM by greynol
Is 24-bit/192kHz good enough for your lo-fi vinyl, or do you need 32/384?

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Reply #2
Please post a rip log so that we don't have guess as to what might be wrong.

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properly gapped
I suspect your problem lies here.

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tested for silence.
It is quite easy to misinterpret the results from testing gaps on silence.  I would not waste my time with this "feature".

You can read more about gaps and testing on silence here:
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?ti...AC_Gap_Settings


I have now ripped over 100 Mosaic discs with EAC 1.0.1 and AR.  All the same machine and hdd.  All with the same gaps setting in EAC.  They all reported accurately ripped.  I'm sure my gaps are fine.
  • Last Edit: 11 June, 2011, 07:55:26 PM by Fiamma

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Reply #3
I'm sure my gaps are fine.

I'm not.

A log file would have been much more helpful than defensiveness.
Is 24-bit/192kHz good enough for your lo-fi vinyl, or do you need 32/384?

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Reply #4
Here is a log ripped on the same machine, same hdd same settings I made to play in my car:
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Exact Audio Copy V1.0 beta 1 from 15. November 2010

EAC extraction logfile from 19. May 2011, 17:46

Eddie Higgins Trio / A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening

Used drive  : HL-DT-STDVDRAM GSA-T50N  Adapter: 0  ID: 1

Read mode              : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache      : Yes
Make use of C2 pointers : No

Read offset correction                      : 667
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out          : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks  : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations      : Yes
Used interface                              : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling                                : Appended to previous track

Used output format              : User Defined Encoder
Selected bitrate                : 320 kBit/s
Quality                        : High
Add ID3 tag                    : No
Command line compressor        : C:\Program Files\Exact Audio Copy\Flac\flac.exe
Additional command line options : -8 -V -T "ARTIST=%a" -T "TITLE=%t" -T "ALBUM=%g"
 -T "DATE=%y" -T "TRACKNUMBER=%n" -T "TOTALTRACKS=%x" -T "GENRE=%m"
 -T "ALBUMARTIST=%v" -T "ALBUM ARTIST=%v"
 -T "COMMENT=EAC Secure Mode, Test & Copy, AccurateRip, FLAC -8" %s


TOC of the extracted CD

     Track |  Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector
   ---------------------------------------------------------
       1  |  0:00.00 |  4:31.60 |        0    |    20384 
       2  |  4:31.60 |  6:00.15 |    20385    |    47399 
       3  | 10:32.00 |  4:22.00 |    47400    |    67049 
       4  | 14:54.00 |  5:41.00 |    67050    |    92624 
       5  | 20:35.00 |  4:12.00 |    92625    |  111524 
       6  | 24:47.00 |  4:45.00 |    111525    |  132899 
       7  | 29:32.00 |  5:34.00 |    132900    |  157949 
       8  | 35:06.00 |  5:05.01 |    157950    |  180825 
       9  | 40:11.01 |  3:36.00 |    180826    |  197025 
       10  | 43:47.01 |  3:58.74 |    197026    |  214949 
       11  | 47:46.00 |  5:00.01 |    214950    |  237450 
       12  | 52:46.01 |  5:09.00 |    237451    |  260625 
       13  | 57:55.01 |  3:39.16 |    260626    |  277066 


Track  1

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Eddie Higgins Trio - A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening
 (2006) [FLAC] (Venus)\01 - I Could Write A Book.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.00

     Peak level 95.7 %
     Extraction speed 2.5 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 95E2A6F3
     Copy CRC 95E2A6F3
     Accurately ripped (confidence 5)  [AE9248F9]
     Copy OK

Track  2

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Eddie Higgins Trio - A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening
 (2006) [FLAC] (Venus)\02 - Guess I'll Hang My Tears Out To Dry.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:04.30

     Peak level 99.4 %
     Extraction speed 2.9 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC A35B4017
     Copy CRC A35B4017
     Accurately ripped (confidence 5)  [CB3E5FE9]
     Copy OK

Track  3

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Eddie Higgins Trio - A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening
 (2006) [FLAC] (Venus)\03 - April In Paris.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:04.45

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 2.7 X
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC 35051230
     Copy CRC 35051230
     Accurately ripped (confidence 5)  [43090F76]
     Copy OK

Track  4

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Eddie Higgins Trio - A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening
 (2006) [FLAC] (Venus)\04 - Polka Dots And Moonbeams.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:04.45

     Peak level 95.2 %
     Extraction speed 3.4 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 8B5FE55D
     Copy CRC 8B5FE55D
     Accurately ripped (confidence 5)  [783C5779]
     Copy OK

Track  5

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Eddie Higgins Trio - A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening
 (2006) [FLAC] (Venus)\05 - A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:04.45

     Peak level 99.1 %
     Extraction speed 3.1 X
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC 3234EE33
     Copy CRC 3234EE33
     Accurately ripped (confidence 5)  [7BBE148E]
     Copy OK

Track  6

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Eddie Higgins Trio - A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening
 (2006) [FLAC] (Venus)\06 - Gentle Rain.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:04.45

     Peak level 98.9 %
     Extraction speed 3.9 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 5B383B15
     Copy CRC 5B383B15
     Accurately ripped (confidence 5)  [25635B6A]
     Copy OK

Track  7

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Eddie Higgins Trio - A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening
 (2006) [FLAC] (Venus)\07 - I Get A Kick Out Of You.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:04.45

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 4.1 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 3FA33489
     Copy CRC 3FA33489
     Accurately ripped (confidence 5)  [730D39D9]
     Copy OK

Track  8

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Eddie Higgins Trio - A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening
 (2006) [FLAC] (Venus)\08 - Serenade In Blue.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:04.45

     Peak level 99.5 %
     Extraction speed 4.2 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC C8329D91
     Copy CRC C8329D91
     Accurately ripped (confidence 5)  [3CF10945]
     Copy OK

Track  9

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Eddie Higgins Trio - A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening
 (2006) [FLAC] (Venus)\09 - Why Was I Born.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:04.45

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 4.3 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 105F6EF4
     Copy CRC 105F6EF4
     Accurately ripped (confidence 5)  [765C394B]
     Copy OK

Track 10

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Eddie Higgins Trio - A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening
 (2006) [FLAC] (Venus)\10 - Come Rain Or Come Shine.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:04.45

     Peak level 99.5 %
     Extraction speed 4.4 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC DA00C277
     Copy CRC DA00C277
     Accurately ripped (confidence 5)  [09B0810B]
     Copy OK

Track 11

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Eddie Higgins Trio - A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening
 (2006) [FLAC] (Venus)\11 - The Way You Look Tonight.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:04.45

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 4.8 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC C36A2D16
     Copy CRC C36A2D16
     Accurately ripped (confidence 5)  [6E3570E1]
     Copy OK

Track 12

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Eddie Higgins Trio - A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening
 (2006) [FLAC] (Venus)\12 - Moonlight Serenade.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:04.45

     Peak level 94.4 %
     Extraction speed 4.8 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC F9DCFCB3
     Copy CRC F9DCFCB3
     Accurately ripped (confidence 5)  [A8987028]
     Copy OK

Track 13

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Eddie Higgins Trio - A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening
 (2006) [FLAC] (Venus)\13 - It Might As Well Be Spring.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:04.45

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Extraction speed 4.8 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 529A2C3A
     Copy CRC 529A2C3A
     Accurately ripped (confidence 5)  [B2D09537]
     Copy OK


All tracks accurately ripped

No errors occurred

End of status report
Here is one of the logs from the Mosaic Set I am attempting to back up today:
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Exact Audio Copy V1.0 beta 1 from 15. November 2010

EAC extraction logfile from 11. June 2011, 12:41

Stanley Turrentine / The Blue Note Stanley Turrentine Quintet-Sextet Studio Sessions CD 1

Used drive  : HL-DT-STDVDRAM GSA-T50N  Adapter: 0  ID: 1

Read mode              : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache      : Yes
Make use of C2 pointers : No

Read offset correction                      : 667
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out          : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks  : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations      : Yes
Used interface                              : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling                                : Left out

Used output format              : User Defined Encoder
Selected bitrate                : 320 kBit/s
Quality                        : High
Add ID3 tag                    : No
Command line compressor        : C:\Program Files\Exact Audio Copy\Flac\flac.exe
Additional command line options : -8 -V -T "ARTIST=%a" -T "TITLE=%t" -T "ALBUM=%g"
 -T "DATE=%y" -T "TRACKNUMBER=%n" -T "TOTALTRACKS=%x" -T "GENRE=%m"
 -T "ALBUMARTIST=%v" -T "ALBUM ARTIST=%v"
 -T "COMMENT=EAC Secure Mode, Test & Copy, AccurateRip, FLAC -8" %s


TOC of the extracted CD

     Track |  Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector
   ---------------------------------------------------------
       1  |  0:00.00 |  6:45.00 |        0    |    30374 
       2  |  6:45.00 |  6:09.32 |    30375    |    58081 
       3  | 12:54.32 |  6:14.55 |    58082    |    86186 
       4  | 19:09.12 |  6:36.38 |    86187    |  115924 
       5  | 25:45.50 |  7:45.00 |    115925    |  150799 
       6  | 33:30.50 |  6:12.32 |    150800    |  178731 
       7  | 39:43.07 |  6:32.50 |    178732    |  208181 
       8  | 46:15.57 |  5:49.10 |    208182    |  234366 


Track  1

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Stanley Turrentine - The Blue Note Quintet-Sextet Studio Sessions
 (2002) [FLAC] (MD5-212 5 CD)\CD 1\01 - My Girl Is Just Enough Woman For Me.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.00

     Peak level 86.7 %
     Extraction speed 2.7 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 15A80E3C
     Copy CRC 15A80E3C
     Track not fully ripped for AccurateRip lookup
     Copy OK

Track  2

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Stanley Turrentine - The Blue Note Quintet-Sextet Studio Sessions
 (2002) [FLAC] (MD5-212 5 CD)\CD 1\02 - Then I'll Be Tired Of You.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.70

     Peak level 86.0 %
     Extraction speed 3.1 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 04B30BD7
     Copy CRC 04B30BD7
     Track not fully ripped for AccurateRip lookup
     Copy OK

Track  3

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Stanley Turrentine - The Blue Note Quintet-Sextet Studio Sessions
 (2002) [FLAC] (MD5-212 5 CD)\CD 1\03 - Fine Li'l Lass.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.07

     Peak level 86.2 %
     Extraction speed 3.4 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 50CAFDEE
     Copy CRC 50CAFDEE
     Track not fully ripped for AccurateRip lookup
     Copy OK

Track  4

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Stanley Turrentine - The Blue Note Quintet-Sextet Studio Sessions
 (2002) [FLAC] (MD5-212 5 CD)\CD 1\04 - Thomasville.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.22

     Peak level 86.1 %
     Extraction speed 3.8 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 2ACBF8B1
     Copy CRC 2ACBF8B1
     Track not fully ripped for AccurateRip lookup
     Copy OK

Track  5

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Stanley Turrentine - The Blue Note Quintet-Sextet Studio Sessions
 (2002) [FLAC] (MD5-212 5 CD)\CD 1\05 - Someone To Watch Over Me.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.65

     Peak level 84.0 %
     Extraction speed 4.2 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 75B3A4BD
     Copy CRC 75B3A4BD
     Track not fully ripped for AccurateRip lookup
     Copy OK

Track  6

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Stanley Turrentine - The Blue Note Quintet-Sextet Studio Sessions
 (2002) [FLAC] (MD5-212 5 CD)\CD 1\06 - Stolen Sweets.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:03.25

     Peak level 81.3 %
     Extraction speed 4.3 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC FB65E3A5
     Copy CRC FB65E3A5
     Track not fully ripped for AccurateRip lookup
     Copy OK

Track  7

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Stanley Turrentine - The Blue Note Quintet-Sextet Studio Sessions
 (2002) [FLAC] (MD5-212 5 CD)\CD 1\07 - Just In Time.wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:02.70

     Peak level 85.7 %
     Extraction speed 4.6 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC E04B5FE1
     Copy CRC E04B5FE1
     Track not fully ripped for AccurateRip lookup
     Copy OK

Track  8

     Filename D:\Fiamma\Stanley Turrentine - The Blue Note Quintet-Sextet Studio Sessions
 (2002) [FLAC] (MD5-212 5 CD)\CD 1\08 - Fine Li'l Lass (alternate take).wav

     Pre-gap length  0:00:01.55

     Peak level 86.2 %
     Extraction speed 4.8 X
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 8A22BD1E
     Copy CRC 8A22BD1E
     Accurately ripped (confidence 5)  [BC43999C]
     Copy OK


 1 track(s) accurately ripped
 7 track(s) not fully ripped for AccurateRip lookup

Some tracks could not be verified as accurate

No errors occurred

End of status report
  • Last Edit: 11 June, 2011, 08:33:48 PM by greynol

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Reply #5
Gap handling : Left out

Here's your problem.
  • Last Edit: 11 June, 2011, 08:31:04 PM by greynol
Is 24-bit/192kHz good enough for your lo-fi vinyl, or do you need 32/384?

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Reply #6
Thank you.  I made no changes to my EAC settings, I have NO idea how gap handling got left out.

I will look load my saved profile and try it again.

Fiamma

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Reply #7
You're welcome.

I know lots of people like to tout "best practices" ripping procedures, but better practice is to always verify what is being done with gaps if you detect them prior to ripping.  This is time far better spend than testing them on silence which does absolutely nothing but provide an incomplete picture about the nature of the audio data marked by 00 indices (low-level noise can be reported as 0%).  In all honesty, it is rare for anyone to need to detect gaps at all, and as such I am perplexed as to why they are doing it.  All to often people are just blindly following online guides written by those who clearly have no clue.  So many unnecessary steps can get in the way of what is actually needed to get an error free rip, which is surprisingly little.

BTW, that's a really slow rip time.  Have you tried burst mode?  It will save your drive from ripping 5x more data than was necessary based the inefficient secure settings you have configured and completely unnecessary use of test and copy.  I don't know much about your drive, but if EAC says it doesn't cache data and can provide C2 pointers, I would configure it that way.  Hopefully the drive doesn't cache more than 64KB of data, at least.  That it can be safely used without cache flushing (and EAC will detect it as such; that is to say it will report drives that cache no more than ~64KB as non-caching).
  • Last Edit: 11 June, 2011, 09:17:23 PM by greynol
Is 24-bit/192kHz good enough for your lo-fi vinyl, or do you need 32/384?

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Reply #8
You probably haven’t lost anything essential with those unripped gaps (they’re short and quite likely just silence), but as AccurateRip implies, you’re technically altering the ToC of the CD and losing a small amount of data in the process. Hope this isn’t terribly unwelcome news!

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Reply #9
Removal of silence between tracks can (and usually does) alter the flow of an album; and not for the better.
Is 24-bit/192kHz good enough for your lo-fi vinyl, or do you need 32/384?