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Lossy Audio Compression => MP3 => MP3 - General => Topic started by: Wish on 2004-09-02 11:46:21

Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Wish on 2004-09-02 11:46:21
I don't believe it, MS has included a 2004 compiled FhG Professional ACM codec with WMP10 final. 

Thanks to MTRH for hosting this pic.

(http://noveo.net/MTRH/Images/ACMPro.png)

Update: WMP10 is out.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsme...asp?displang=en (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/default.asp?displang=en)
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: kalmark on 2004-09-02 12:37:42
Those neowin forums would provide quite a lot of flamebait to TOS#8 fans  Some guys have wild ideas about audio compression quality.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Benjamin Lebsanft on 2004-09-02 12:48:01
sad but true, yes
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: dev0 on 2004-09-02 12:53:52
Someone with an account please post links to Roberto's listening test before I start punching random objects in my room.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: westgroveg on 2004-09-02 13:03:17
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Someone with an account please post links to Roberto's listening test before I start punching random objects in my room.
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Why don't you just stay at HA & leave them alone.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: tcmjr on 2004-09-02 13:06:25
We need to spread what is good
High Quality Audio Evangelists.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: dev0 on 2004-09-02 13:17:36
We don't need evangelists just people who bring a certain level of objectivity into those discussions.

I have no (at least not too much) interest in forcing/persuading people to use a specific format, but statements like 96kbps WMA == 192kbps MP3, which have been proven wrong multiple times, shouldn't happen on a technical board like neowin.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: westgroveg on 2004-09-02 13:35:58
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statements like 96kbps WMA == 192kbps MP3, which have been proven wrong multiple times, shouldn't happen on a technical board like neowin.
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I visited a forum where people where saying mp3 sounded better than CDA, so what? it's no conspiracy, once you listen to mp3 you will be able to hear the difference if you can't your probably better off. In the end it's the jobs of the moderators to correct these problems why worry yourself?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: dev0 on 2004-09-02 13:40:00
Cause I was a newbie myself once and nobody bothered clearing up all those myths about sound quality.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: kalmark on 2004-09-02 14:01:13
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statements like 96kbps WMA == 192kbps MP3, which have been proven wrong multiple times

Or that 128kbps MP3 -> 64kbps WMA sounds better than the MP3...that claim made me shiver 
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: kalmark on 2004-09-02 14:23:25
Well, back on the topic  There's a WMP10 review here (http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/wmp10.asp), in case someone's interested. I did not read it yet, so I dunno if it's a good review.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Jebus on 2004-09-02 15:00:15
I suppose its too much to hope that WMP10 includes MP4/AAC support?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Otto42 on 2004-09-02 15:02:41
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statements like 96kbps WMA == 192kbps MP3, which have been proven wrong multiple times

Or that 128kbps MP3 -> 64kbps WMA sounds better than the MP3...that claim made me shiver 
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To be fair, that's a simple parroting of what Microsoft used to say about WMA. I haven't seen them say it lately, but that was the "official" line once upon a time.

The idea that you could transcode and gain quality magically seems to be new though.. Never seen that one.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: rajas on 2004-09-02 15:33:52
Windows Xp only! 

Seems like WMP 10 is for Windows XP only.  Check out the system requirements (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/mp10/readme.aspx).

This sucks, I have Windows 2000 at work and was looking forward to a simplified interface (and the FHG codec).

And recommended RAM is 512Mb, so I'm going to have some trepidation trying it on my 256 Mb Laptop at home too. Overall, the system requirements seem to point to a PC built in 2005!

Rajas
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Otto42 on 2004-09-02 15:42:22
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And recommended RAM is 512Mb, so I'm going to have some trepidation trying it on my 256 Mb Laptop at home too. Overall, the system requirements seem to point to a PC built in 2005!
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My low end, cheap as heck, Toshiba laptop which I got in 2003 has 512 meg ram. Half a gig has been pretty standard for at least 2 years. Standard now is 1 gig, realistically. Top end is 4 gig, or thereabouts.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: kwanbis on 2004-09-02 16:03:21
@otto42
512 MB for a player? come on! ... this is NOT realisticall
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: JeanLuc on 2004-09-02 16:13:37
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Windows Xp only!  

Seems like WMP 10 is for Windows XP only.  Check out the system requirements (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/mp10/readme.aspx).

This sucks, I have Windows 2000 at work and was looking forward to a simplified interface (and the FHG codec).

And recommended RAM is 512Mb, so I'm going to have some trepidation trying it on my 256 Mb Laptop at home too. Overall, the system requirements seem to point to a PC built in 2005!

Rajas
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Quote From M$

Video card with 256 MB of RAM or higher and DirectX 9.0b or later generation

Time to get that ATI X800 XT or GeForce 6800 Ultra I am dreaming of ...  ^^
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: dev0 on 2004-09-02 16:30:07
It's most likely possible to manually install the new ACM codec in Win2k.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Latexxx on 2004-09-02 16:31:20
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Windows Xp only!  

Seems like WMP 10 is for Windows XP only.  Check out the system requirements (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/mp10/readme.aspx).

This sucks, I have Windows 2000 at work and was looking forward to a simplified interface (and the FHG codec).

And recommended RAM is 512Mb, so I'm going to have some trepidation trying it on my 256 Mb Laptop at home too. Overall, the system requirements seem to point to a PC built in 2005!

Rajas
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Quote From M$

Video card with 256 MB of RAM or higher and DirectX 9.0b or later generation

Time to get that ATI X800 XT or GeForce 6800 Ultra I am dreaming of ...  ^^
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Free hard disk space: 60 GB
This crap must be for downloadable HD content.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Otto42 on 2004-09-02 16:53:39
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@otto42
512 MB for a player? come on! ... this is NOT realisticall
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Didn't say it was. I was only commenting on what the average standard for PC's is.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: kwanbis on 2004-09-02 18:59:47
it depends on many factors ... for example, in argentina, a dollar costs 3 pesos, so basically, all that is IT related, for us, is like paying 3 times ... like a HD costs 80 dollars, which is 240 pesos, so in reality, is like if it costs, to US people, 240 dollars ... so ... we are seeing many 256MB machines here ...
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: JeanLuc on 2004-09-02 19:12:43
As for M$'s graphics card recommendation ... maybe they are implementing some 3D effects based on the Doom³ graphics engine ...
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: bidz on 2004-09-02 19:20:01
Oh.. you're all so funny!
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Digga on 2004-09-02 19:26:00
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Oh.. you're all so funny!
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yes, they are! 
[span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'](another important post)[/span]

I'd like to see the doom3-style visualisations though, safes me from buying the actual game and to see that my graphiccard can't deal with it. 
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: DigitalMan on 2004-09-02 20:38:06
Has anyone tried this out yet?  Was wondering if they fixed from WMP9:

1) Wrong playtime calculations on LAME encoded (VBR related?) MP3s
2) Couldn't FF/RW LAME MP3s
3) Inability to force it to use tag metadata for library features - it kept creating virtual tags via the Allmusic.com database which created problems like artist consistency (Beatles, The vs. The Beatles vs. Beatles, etc.)
4) Inconsistent / cumbersome behavior when trying to associate cover art with albums

Would like to know if these have been fixed before I even think about installing it on my machine.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Jebus on 2004-09-02 21:25:10
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Has anyone tried this out yet?  Was wondering if they fixed from WMP9:

1) Wrong playtime calculations on LAME encoded (VBR related?) MP3s
2) Couldn't FF/RW LAME MP3s
3) Inability to force it to use tag metadata for library features - it kept creating virtual tags via the Allmusic.com database which created problems like artist consistency (Beatles, The vs. The Beatles vs. Beatles, etc.)
4) Inconsistent / cumbersome behavior when trying to associate cover art with albums

Would like to know if these have been fixed before I even think about installing it on my machine.
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Well I never had a problem seeking on LAME MP3s with WMP9, but as for the rest I am equally curious and will try it out in about an hour when I get home from work.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Yodule on 2004-09-02 22:18:24
It also comes with the new WMA 9.1 codec !
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Jebus on 2004-09-02 23:13:21
Nope, still has my MP3s with bitrates generated completely at random
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: DigitalMan on 2004-09-02 23:38:50
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Nope, still has my MP3s with bitrates generated completely at random
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Too bad - do the FF/RW buttons work on LAME MP3s?  What a shame that MS doesn't care enough to properly support MP3.  I would be interested to know if you saw any of the other issues or if they have been corrected.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: dimt on 2004-09-03 07:50:47
it did not even play any of my mp3s. says suitable codec not found:)
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: westgroveg on 2004-09-03 08:45:57
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it did not even play any of my mp3s. says suitable codec not found:)
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Same, I d/led from Wish's link, uninstalled my Raduim hack then installed WMP 10 & now no FhG mp3 codec is installed. Could be I didn't restart my PC yet?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: westgroveg on 2004-09-03 09:29:59
K, I re-booted, still no ACM FhG mp3 codec. XPSP2, Windows Media Player 10.00.00.3646.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: evereux on 2004-09-03 10:28:18
I have it.

C:\WINDOWS\system32\l3codecp.acm

Just installed WMP10 although, I couldn't say for sure it came from installing that. I didn't check previously.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: happy_harry on 2004-09-03 10:58:16
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Has anyone tried this out yet?  Was wondering if they fixed from WMP9:

1) Wrong playtime calculations on LAME encoded (VBR related?) MP3s
2) Couldn't FF/RW LAME MP3s
3) Inability to force it to use tag metadata for library features - it kept creating virtual tags via the Allmusic.com database which created problems like artist consistency (Beatles, The vs. The Beatles vs. Beatles, etc.)
4) Inconsistent / cumbersome behavior when trying to associate cover art with albums

Would like to know if these have been fixed before I even think about installing it on my machine.
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1) OK.
2) OK.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: beto on 2004-09-03 15:48:21
WMP10 broke mp3 support in the player for me as well...

I'll investigate further when I have the time...
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Jebus on 2004-09-03 15:52:19
actually (and this is weird) WMP10 seems to display 2 different bitrates - the old (wrong) one, and a correct average bitrate on the bottom bar while the file is playing. Also going to file/properties while a VBR MP3 is playing displays (in the same window) both the correct bitrate AND the old wrong one. Yeesh!
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: kotrtim on 2004-09-03 16:56:56
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Nope, still has my MP3s with bitrates generated completely at random
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Too bad - do the FF/RW buttons work on LAME MP3s?  What a shame that MS doesn't care enough to properly support MP3.  I would be interested to know if you saw any of the other issues or if they have been corrected.
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Is FF = fast foward?
then..................this is my answer
Yes, Yes, it even works with mpg, avi etc etc

just download this add on and you can FF/RW anything that uses DirectShow to playback video/audio

[a href="http://ogo.nerim.net/reclockfilter/]http://ogo.nerim.net/reclockfilter/[/url]
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: kwanbis on 2004-09-03 17:08:46
http://download.microsoft.com/download/a/0...4/WM9Codecs.exe (http://download.microsoft.com/download/a/0/3/a0398036-25b9-410c-b371-c59957c1b0f4/WM9Codecs.exe)
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Otto42 on 2004-09-03 20:54:43
MP3's seem to work fine for me. And after installing the 3ivx codec from 3ivx.com, WMP10 will now play M4A's with no trouble. Even will recognize them and allow you to put them in the music library, although it doesn't seem to understand the tags yet.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: saratoga on 2004-09-03 22:39:56
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MP3's seem to work fine for me. And after installing the 3ivx codec from 3ivx.com, WMP10 will now play M4A's with no trouble. Even will recognize them and allow you to put them in the music library, although it doesn't seem to understand the tags yet.
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Just a heads up:  The AAC decoder in 3ivx is trialware AFAIK, so after 30 days you'll beed to grav coreaac or some other filter or it'll stop working.

---

No problems with MP3s here.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Otto42 on 2004-09-03 23:02:03
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Just a heads up:  The AAC decoder in 3ivx is trialware AFAIK, so after 30 days you'll beed to grav coreaac or some other filter or it'll stop working.
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I just wanted to see if that had been fixed or made possible yet. With WMP9, there was basically no way to get WMP to recognize or allow M4A's to go into the library. I'll remove 3ivx now that I know, as I don't use WMP anyway.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: master on 2004-09-04 01:06:52
My system....
Athlon XP 1500+ (which run in 1.33GHz)
768MB DDR SDRAM
GeForce 3 Ti200 64MB
Maxtor 40GB HDD
CD-ROM/DVD-ROM plus external CD-RW drive
E-MU 1820m w/o sync card

The recommended by M$...
1.5GHz & above CPU What kind of processing power it needed???
512MB RAM Yeah!!!
256MB Display Card Is WMP10 with Doom3/HL2 engine built in?
60GB FREE HDD space I thought the download size is only 11,638KB? Will it expand 500 times after installing?
CD-ROM/DVD-ROM/CD-RW Drive Sheesh, luckily no DVD-RW drive needed.
24-bit Soundcard for HDCD Lucky me.
5.1 compatible Soundcard for MultiChannel Contents Bad Luck of me.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: rjamorim on 2004-09-04 01:27:12
Oh, you are so funny!
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: neoufo51 on 2004-09-04 02:48:43
256MB is enough for the player if you don't run those visualizations.

Don't fret, guys. Just tested it on a friends 700Mhz, 256MB PC and it runs like a dream as long as you dont run the new visualizations.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: mdefranc on 2004-09-04 04:49:06
Per Wish,Sep 2 2004, 05:46 AM: "I don't believe it, MS has included a 2004 compiled FhG Professional ACM codec with WMP10 final....Thanks to MTRH for hosting this pic."

It's amazing that the above message remains posted.  Has anyone actually verified the assertion?  On XP-SP2, I downloaded WMP10.  The FhG codec did NOT change from the 1.9 (Build 305) that had been previously installed.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: nyaochi on 2004-09-04 07:06:06
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Per Wish,Sep 2 2004, 05:46 AM: "I don't believe it, MS has included a 2004 compiled FhG Professional ACM codec with WMP10 final....Thanks to MTRH for hosting this pic."

It's amazing that the above message remains posted.  Has anyone actually verified the assertion?  On XP-SP2, I downloaded WMP10.  The FhG codec did NOT change from the 1.9 (Build 305) that had been previously installed.
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I could verify that WMP10 installed on my WinXP-SP1 machine.


This codec encodes really fast (ca. 40x on my Pentium-IV machine). Quality of 128Kbps is OK for my portable use.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Wish on 2004-09-04 14:56:38
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Per Wish,Sep 2 2004, 05:46 AM: "I don't believe it, MS has included a 2004 compiled FhG Professional ACM codec with WMP10 final....Thanks to MTRH for hosting this pic."

It's amazing that the above message remains posted.  Has anyone actually verified the assertion?  On XP-SP2, I downloaded WMP10.  The FhG codec did NOT change from the 1.9 (Build 305) that had been previously installed.
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Search for that file l3codecp.acm, you'll find it in Windows\System32. I can't believe people would think I am making this up.     

It doesn't register the l3codecp.acm as an ACM codec in the registry, thats why the ACM codec manager and other apps don't see it.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: kode54 on 2004-09-04 14:56:58
Yes. I already scanned the INF files bundled with the installer. It is registered as the preferred MP3 encoder for WMP, but not as a standard ACM codec.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Norman on 2004-09-04 15:33:35
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Windows Media Player seems to use this codec for ripping audio CDs from the fact that we can choose 128Kbps or higher for MP3 encoding. But if you want to use this codec from other programs such as CDex, you have to make a registory hack to activate this codec.

This codec encodes really fast (ca. 40x on my Pentium-IV machine). Quality of 128Kbps is OK for my portable use.
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Have you got this registry hack? Are other bitrates selectables? Is ABR/VBR implemented?

Edit: Nevermind, I managed to hack the registry myself and it looks like just CBR is implemented.

Norman
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: QuantumKnot on 2004-09-04 15:38:06
I can also confirm that the new mp3 codec encodes very fast, certainly for an FhG one anyways.  It doesn't appear in ACM list though the ability to encode at 128 kbps is enough proof to me that it is "there"
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: QuantumKnot on 2004-09-04 15:48:17
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Windows Media Player seems to use this codec for ripping audio CDs from the fact that we can choose 128Kbps or higher for MP3 encoding. But if you want to use this codec from other programs such as CDex, you have to make a registory hack to activate this codec.

This codec encodes really fast (ca. 40x on my Pentium-IV machine). Quality of 128Kbps is OK for my portable use.
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Have you got this registry hack? Are other bitrates selectables? Is ABR/VBR implemented?

Norman
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No need for a registry hack.  Just go to c:\windows\system32 and rename l3codeca.acm to l3codeca.bak.  Then copy l3codecp.acm to l3codeca.acm (swaps the professional one in place of the old advanced one).  Done

Here is the about screen

(http://www.rarewares.org/quantumknot/about.png)
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: nyaochi on 2004-09-04 16:54:04
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No need for a registry hack.  Just go to c:\windows\system32 and rename l3codeca.acm to l3codeca.bak.  Then copy l3codecp.acm to l3codeca.acm (swaps the professional one in place of the old advanced one).  Done

You are wise! 
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: nyaochi on 2004-09-04 17:04:30
I created ACMENC, a command-line frontend for encoding audio data with ACM codecs. We can use CDex or other applications that support ACM codecs for this new FhG codec. But this program features:
- MP3 Info (or Lame Tag) tagging for gapless playback
- built-in tagging (thanks to id3lib)
- WAV/AIFF/... reading (thanks to libsndfile)
- Monkey's Audio support (thanks to MACDll.dll)
- Partial encoding mode, which may be useful for cuesheet encoding
- Preset (or alias) for specifying codec name and other long commaned-line parameters by one word

Hers's the screenshot.
(http://nyaochi.cocolog-nifty.com/audio/pics/acmenc.png)

The zip archive contains acmenc.exe, acmenc.cfg, and three DLLs. To encode an audio file into a 128Kbps MP3 with "Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (professional)" codec, use the following command-line:
Code: [Select]
acmenc -c "Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (professional)" --enc-delay 672 -b128 <input> [output]


acmenc.cfg describes presets which are activated by -p option. When we describe the following line in acmenc.cfg located in the same folder as acmenc.exe:
Code: [Select]
fhg-pro: -c "Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (professional)" -b128 --enc-delay 672
, you can use "--preset fhg-pro" instead of the long command-line.

The program is only two days old and may contain some bugs. It works well with "Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (professional)" but may not work well other codecs such as LAME-ACM because I only tested it with FhG Pro ACM codecs. I believe this program will help you to create MP3 for mid bitrate range (around 128Kbps).

Have fun!

EDIT: I removed the link to the binary because it's obsolute. See my latter post in this thread as for the binary URL.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: mdefranc on 2004-09-04 17:38:30
My apologies and thanks to Wish, Nyaochi, kode54, Norman, and QuantumKnot for correcting my cranky misperception of the new codec and then going on to make it even more useful.  What a great board this is!
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: 384kbps on 2004-09-04 19:25:59
By the way is there any WM9 or WM10 encoder available that simply works in a DOS box? I already have started serval searches but never was able to find more than the command line version of WM8 on the MS web site. The WM# encoder i'm looking for should be 'stand-alone' because i'm not very interested in installing the hole Windows Media Player stuff.

It's not that i would switch now from Lame to WM9/WM10. But for very low-quality files it seems to me that WMA would be the better choice.(?)

Thanks for any help or even some 'secret' MS links!
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: mdefranc on 2004-09-04 21:23:28
384kbps -

Perhaps the Windows Media Encoder 9 Series SDK at

www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9series/encoder/extensible.aspx

is closer to what you want than other MS downloads.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Tec9SD on 2004-09-04 23:39:27
mdefranc beat me to that suggestion. I
From the MSDN Windows Media Encoder 9 Series SDK - Programming Guide (http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/wmencode/htm/glossary.asp)
Programming in Scripting Languages (http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/wmencode/htm/programminginscriptinglanguages.asp)
Also Group: microsoft.public.windowsmedia.* (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&group=microsoft.public.windowsmedia) would likely be a good place to look for relevant information.

Out of curiosity I did a quick search inside MS's MSDN and KB.
some useful-looking topics (http://search.microsoft.com/search/results.aspx?view=msdn&qu=Script&qp=Windows+Media+Encoder&qa=&qn=Embedded&st=a&s=1) appeared to be listed.
Searching on the web should help too.

The home Windows Media SDKs are here (http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/downloads/list/winmedia.asp), including the SDK for v.10

I hope this is on-topic.

Bye, tec

Edit:

haha nyaochi your cool toys amaze me as always. Nice work, as usual. 
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: westgroveg on 2004-09-05 01:18:17
K, the file was in the Windows directory but wasn't showing up possibly because it wasn't added to the Windows registry(?) not sure why.

nyaochi, great program, are you sure the encoder delay is 672 samples for the new FhG encoder? I get 1633, any way to be sure?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: rjamorim on 2004-09-05 01:27:47
Very interesting program, nyaochi. Can I host it at RareWares?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Enig123 on 2004-09-05 02:17:23
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Very interesting program, nyaochi. Can I host it at RareWares?
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=239526"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


Could you please host the new build acm file (from M$) to RareWares if it's legal. So people like me who did not running WinXP can benefit from this new codec.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: rjamorim on 2004-09-05 02:25:53
Quote
Could you please host the new build acm file (from M$) to RareWares if it's legal. So people like me who did not running WinXP can benefit from this new codec.
[{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=239533")


Hrm... it would be possible if there isn't a provision at the EULA forbidding redistribution of subsets of the installer. I will see if I can reach the EULA somehow (I would be grateful neverthless if someone could paste it into an e-mail and send it to me, I'm not on XP either)

Regards;

Roberto.

Edit: Nevermind, I forced the file out of the installation program.
If anybody is interested in trying to interpret it:
[a href="http://pessoal.onda.com.br/rjamorim/eula.txt]http://pessoal.onda.com.br/rjamorim/eula.txt[/url]
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Tec9SD on 2004-09-05 09:51:10
I just happened across this from:
"Chris Lanier's Blog|Digital Media in Windows XP, MCE, and more..." (http://msmvps.com/chrisl/archive/2004/09/04/12994.aspx)
Quote
l3codecp.acm Explanations With WMP 10
In WMP 10 Microsoft shelled out the cash to FhG to included a full features, high bitrate MP3 Encoder for ripping CD's.  l3codecp.acm is this new encoder and the File Version is 3.3.0.44.  Now, the fun part of this is that out on the internet and in most “Codec Packs” there is an included version of l3codecp.acm, but its very different then the new one shipped with WMP 10.  If you have l3codecp.acm with the File Version of 1.2.0.63, you have the pirated one.  The pirated version will encode and decode via the same file, but it will also break things in WMP, the main thing being Crossfading.

So, Good version as is follows.
File Name: l3codecp.acm
File Version: 3.3.0.44
Copyright: Copyright © 2004 Fraunhofer IIS

posted on Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:57 AM


Interesting..
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: witt on 2004-09-05 12:11:25
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I created ACMENC, a command-line frontend for encoding audio data with ACM codecs. We can use CDex or other applications that support ACM codecs for this new FhG codec. But this program features:
- MP3 Info (or Lame Tag) tagging for gapless playback

It seems that ACMENC has some problems with lame tag support.
Could you check this topic (http://www.project9k.jp/cgi-bin/innovationbbs/bbs.cgi?mode=res&namber=996&rev=&page=55&no=0)?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: nyaochi on 2004-09-05 14:19:29
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nyaochi, great program, are you sure the encoder delay is 672 samples for the new FhG encoder? I get 1633, any way to be sure?
[{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=239525")

I see [a href="http://mp3decoders.mp3-tech.org/decoders_lame.html]this page[/url] and guess the encoder delay. I confirmed the value with fb2k and lame --decode

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Very interesting program, nyaochi. Can I host it at RareWares?
[{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=239526")

With my pleasure! But I'm now fixing several problems as witt pointed, so please wait for the next version.

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Quote
I created ACMENC, a command-line frontend for encoding audio data with ACM codecs. We can use CDex or other applications that support ACM codecs for this new FhG codec. But this program features:
- MP3 Info (or Lame Tag) tagging for gapless playback

It seems that ACMENC has some problems with lame tag support.
Could you check [a href="http://www.project9k.jp/cgi-bin/innovationbbs/bbs.cgi?mode=res&namber=996&rev=&page=55&no=0]this topic[/url]?
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=239615"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

Thank you for the information! I'm now fixing the problem.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Tripwire on 2004-09-05 14:29:40
A dot-1 revision of their audio codecs? Anyone with two machines can verify whether it's just a cosmetic change (outputs exactly the same files on 9.0 and 9.1 with the same settings), or if there are quality improvements and qualifies itself for inclusion in a future 128kbit test?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: envision01 on 2004-09-05 19:42:43
Quote
Edit: Nevermind, I forced the file out of the installation program.
If anybody is interested in trying to interpret it:
http://pessoal.onda.com.br/rjamorim/eula.txt (http://pessoal.onda.com.br/rjamorim/eula.txt)


You can't.  in wmp go to help | about wmp.  all you need is right there to tell you if you can re-disro it.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: 384kbps on 2004-09-05 21:42:59
@mdefranc & @Tec9SD
Thanks for the links! - But well, the one SDK archive want me to install 'DirectX 8.1 Media", the ohter only runs on Windows XP...


Now i have to post my first idea (maybe not fully honest...) when i saw nyaochi's program announcment. But all these multimedia software from MS make it really hard to love it. I mean i only want to make some low-quality MP3<->WMA tests and not waste my system installation for that.
So sorry to ask but supposed that i could get the WMA ACM files (i guess are there any?) from a friend - is there a good chance to encode wma files with help of nyaochi's program? - And if yes how? Just like the FhG example above?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: rjamorim on 2004-09-06 00:23:26
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You can't.  in wmp go to help | about wmp.  all you need is right there to tell you if you can re-disro it.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=239688"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


I can't even install it, let alone reach the about box. But if you say so...

Thanks

Quote
So sorry to ask but supposed that i could get the WMA ACM files (i guess are there any?)
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=239706"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


There isn't.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: M on 2004-09-06 01:40:50
Roberto, I don't know whether or not this offers a legal solution, but it was suggested by someone who's dealt with such things more than I have, so I thought it might be worth passing along:

  What about creating a small redistributable "installer" capable of extracting the required acm files/registry entries from the actual WMP10 installer (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/default.asp?displang=en)? That way, the end-user would still be required to download Microsoft's package in order to effect any system change, but could perform a more customized installation than Microsoft has chosen to allow by default.

    - M.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: rjamorim on 2004-09-06 02:08:23
Quote
Roberto, I don't know whether or not this offers a legal solution, but it was suggested by someone who's dealt with such things more than I have, so I thought it might be worth passing along:

  What about creating a small redistributable "installer" capable of extracting the required acm files/registry entries from the actual WMP10 installer (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/default.asp?displang=en)? That way, the end-user would still be required to download Microsoft's package in order to effect any system change, but could perform a more customized installation than Microsoft has chosen to allow by default.

    - M.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=239750"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


Working on it. Unfortunately, I'm going on a trip tonight and I might only be able to come up with that solution when I return, next monday :/
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: dawids on 2004-09-07 16:24:23
Again as in previous threads, no Musicmatch Jukebox users using MP3Pro? Are these forums only for free software. I am using MP3Pro @ VBR100% which halves the file size compared to MP3 CBR128. Also WMP9/10 lossless is not mentioned in comparisons with LAme and lossless etc.

Any reasons why these are excluded, or am I late for the discussions with those?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Digga on 2004-09-07 16:56:42
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Are these forums only for free software.[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=240072"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
no, it just happen to be that there are some nice hq free encoders/apps available.
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I am using MP3Pro @ VBR100% which halves the file size compared to MP3 CBR128
that's nice.
Quote
Also WMP9/10 lossless is not mentioned in comparisons with LAme and lossless etc.
and? lame is a lossy codec, wma lossless is lossless...
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: bugmenot on 2004-09-08 13:46:25
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Are these forums only for free software.[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=240072"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
no, it just happen to be that there are some nice hq free encoders/apps available.
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I am using MP3Pro @ VBR100% which halves the file size compared to MP3 CBR128
that's nice.
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Also WMP9/10 lossless is not mentioned in comparisons with LAme and lossless etc.
and? lame is a lossy codec, wma lossless is lossless...
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=240075"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


A newbie question - I'm used to using LAME (using the standard - or on occasion extreme - presets).  Besides "for the fun", is there any reason for me to use FhG's codec?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Oge_user on 2004-09-08 14:08:17
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A newbie question - I'm used to using LAME (using the standard - or on occasion extreme - presets).  Besides "for the fun", is there any reason for me to use FhG's codec?
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=240242"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


No reasons, at the moment
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Digga on 2004-09-08 15:16:46
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A newbie question - I'm used to using LAME (using the standard - or on occasion extreme - presets).  Besides "for the fun", is there any reason for me to use FhG's codec?
there's a roumor that the the codec developed by FhG is more siuted for bitrates lower than ~128, but this is AFAIK just a roumor. IIRC, no backups or data was presented in a recent discussion where Gabriel took part (a Lame developer) [span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%']can't remeber the thread though[/span]
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: SirGrey on 2004-09-08 16:44:40
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there's a roumor that the the codec developed by FhG is more siuted for bitrates lower than ~128, but this is AFAIK just a roumor. IIRC, no backups or data was presented in a recent discussion where Gabriel took part (a Lame developer) can't remeber the thread though

Lame has no ms-is stereo so Fhg encoders are preferable on low bitrates.
Also, Fhg encoders (some) lack (mostly) ringing, so are recommended to try for people with good hf hearing.
For more info on this search this forum for mid-side stereo and see Gabriel posts there.
About ringing see ff123 page, where he has an article about it...
May be this will help.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: lchshua on 2004-09-09 09:25:50
 But How can I turn WAV to this MP3??
It can only turn CD to MP3.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: westgroveg on 2004-09-09 09:45:26
Quote
Quote
there's a roumor that the the codec developed by FhG is more siuted for bitrates lower than ~128, but this is AFAIK just a roumor. IIRC, no backups or data was presented in a recent discussion where Gabriel took part (a Lame developer) can't remeber the thread though

Lame has no ms-is stereo so Fhg encoders are preferable on low bitrates.
Also, Fhg encoders (some) lack (mostly) ringing, so are recommended to try for people with good hf hearing.
For more info on this search this forum for mid-side stereo and see Gabriel posts there.
About ringing see ff123 page, where he has an article about it...
May be this will help.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=240295"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

LAME has come a long way & current LAME 3.96 kick's the shit out of FhG Fastenc 1.02, MP3Enc 3.1, & what ever CEP 2.0 uses @ 128 kbps with about 10 problem samples I have tried to ABX. I have good HF hearing & I could hear ringing with older LAME encoders but LAME 3.96 really shines in this area compared to other mp3 encoders, FhG has a dull sound which is possibly why you can't hear ringing. To my ears LAME seems have a kind of flat sound which I believe I can hear but have not been able to ABX yet.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: lithoc on 2004-09-09 10:02:22
so, we got another radium fhg hack??
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: beto on 2004-09-09 13:58:47
Recently I posted in this thread that I had some problems upgrading WMP9 to WMP10. Basically the upgrade broke mp3 playback in the player.

The problem was that after upgrading to WMP10 the FhG codec was not listed in the installed audio codecs anymore. It's beyond my comprehension how it got uninstalled/corrupted... 

I tried installing the wmp9 codecs but that didn't help, so I managed to get things working again with the following procedure, if anyone is interested:

1.  Roll back to the previous WMP install, removing the player and the runtime environment. You have to restart twice, one for the player removal and one for the runtime removal;
2.  Search for the l3codeca.acm file in the system32 directory and rename it to l3codeca.bak;
3.  Open WMP and check for updates. This will install the mp3 codec again;
4.  Close WMP and upgrade.

This worked for me.

Resources:
http://msmvps.com/chrisl/articles/10723.aspx (http://msmvps.com/chrisl/articles/10723.aspx)
http://www.moviecodec.com/ (http://www.moviecodec.com/)

EDIT: typo
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: nyaochi on 2004-09-10 17:48:43
I released ACMENC version 0.5. ACMENC 0.5 now works fine (including accurate calculation of song length) with FIIS professional, FIIS advanced, and LAME codecs. I fixed a lot of bugs and wrote a short document (README). Special thanks to witt and Nothern Verse (author of Sound Player Lilith). From ChangeLog:
Code: [Select]
- Bug-fix around progress report
- Failure check in opening an output file
- More error check codes
- Support of monoral and MPEG2/2.5-LayerIII files
- Calculation of Music CRC field
- Fix a bug around MP3 Info frame writing
- Output of TOC information in Xing MP3 header
- Patch for LAME ACM codec to output enough amount of frames
- Manual padding support for F-IIS (advanced) encoder
- Warning message when padding values becomes a negative value
- Support of high quality (non realtime) encoding mode
- New option -F (or --dest) to specify destination format in string
- Initial README and ChangeLog


Note: Do not use -h (high quality option) with FIIS professional codec. It may lower quality because of the codec's bug.

EDIT: I removed the link to ACMENC 0.5 because it is obsolute  . The latest version (0.6) is available at:
http://nyaochi.sakura.ne.jp/xoops/modules/...php?cid=1&lid=1 (http://nyaochi.sakura.ne.jp/xoops/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?cid=1&lid=1)
And here's the users' guide:
http://nyaochi.sakura.ne.jp/xoops/modules/...wares/tc_3.html (http://nyaochi.sakura.ne.jp/xoops/modules/mysoftwares/tc_3.html)
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Enig123 on 2004-09-11 01:55:31
A bit off topic...

Is it possible to make a tool which can use the new Xing mp3 encoder of the RealPlayer? This new encoder seems to gained some respect of the corrupted reputation of old Xing. Unfortunately it can ONLY use with RealPlayer and rip from CD even by person who payed for the unlimited version of RealPlayer.

I think a tool function liky Ayumi's acmenc for that encoder will be welcomed to most people.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: QuantumKnot on 2004-09-11 02:35:26
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A bit off topic...

Is it possible to make a tool which can use the new Xing mp3 encoder of the RealPlayer? This new encoder seems to gained some respect of the corrupted reputation of old Xing. Unfortunately it can ONLY use with RealPlayer and rip from CD even by person who payed for the unlimited version of RealPlayer.


The old Xing (1.5) wasn't as bad as most people thought and tied with FhG in the 128 kbps mp3 test, IIRC.  It even beat every mp3 encoder on 'Waiting'.

Last time I played with RealPlayer, the mp3 encoder was limited to CBR while Xing had VBR.  But maybe there is a switch to enable VBR?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: kurtnoise on 2004-09-11 19:19:47
@nyaochi : good job

My question : could you add a "pipeencoding" option for your tool ??

Thanks.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: rjamorim on 2004-09-11 21:24:28
Quote
Quote
there's a roumor that the the codec developed by FhG is more siuted for bitrates lower than ~128, but this is AFAIK just a roumor. IIRC, no backups or data was presented in a recent discussion where Gabriel took part (a Lame developer) can't remeber the thread though

Lame has no ms-is stereo so Fhg encoders are preferable on low bitrates.
Also, Fhg encoders (some) lack (mostly) ringing, so are recommended to try for people with good hf hearing.
For more info on this search this forum for mid-side stereo and see Gabriel posts there.
About ringing see ff123 page, where he has an article about it...
May be this will help.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=240295"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


It's also worth mentioning the FhG codecs are better tuned, and theoretically offer better quality than lame, at sampling rates other than 44.100Hz. That should come handy for DVD audio encoding (48kHz) and microphone recording (usually 22.050Hz)
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Pootle_1 on 2004-09-15 13:20:56
Is there any change in MP3 DEcode with the new codec?

I use 1by1 (http://www.mpesch3.de) for MP3 playback and currently I prefer the quality of the MAD decoder (in_mad.dll) to the previous Fraunhofer ACM (l3codeca.acm).
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: yourtallness on 2004-09-15 23:08:54
@nyaochi: Nice tool. Front-end anyone?

Btw, the resulting mp3s are marked as joint stereo
but an analysis reveals only stereo frames...
In addition, a lowpass of 16KHz is used.
At least the speed is excellent.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: yong on 2004-09-16 11:39:41
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@nyaochi: Nice tool. Front-end anyone?
[{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=242006")


Curently i am using the [a href="http://members.home.nl/w.speek/]Batchenc[/url] as the acmenc frontend.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Liisachan on 2004-09-17 08:37:31
Quote
  What about creating a small redistributable "installer" capable of extracting the required acm files/registry entries from the actual WMP10 installer (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/default.asp?displang=en)?
[{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=239750")


maybe--just maybe, but "registry entries" are not needed here.
In my quick test with VirtualDub, I can use l3codecp.acm 3.3.2 Build 44 as an ACM codec without even installing WMP10  (tested on clean-installed Windows XP SP1, which has WMP 8 ) What I did was quite legal, inspired by that post by QuantumKnot:
(1) Extracted all the files from mp10setup.exe, using 7-zip.
(2) Copy l3codecp.acm in (1) to System32, as l3codeca.acm.

I just copied it, and then I can already use it from VirtualDub. That's slighly hackish so there might be bad side effects, tho.

So....seems just copying it will do, at least if you just want to use it as an acm codec, like when encoding movies. Altho, personally I don't use acm codecs when encoding movies.

I made some .bat files for my own testing purposes, so i could be lazy. Put [a href="http://www.faireal.net/tmp/2004/l3c.zip]l3c-inst.bat[/url] in the folder (1) and click it, then VD will use l3codecp;
Click l3c-undo.bat, then VD will again use l3codeca. If you have already installed WMP10, click l3c.bat in any place then l3codecp is used; l3c-undo.bat will undo it. They are basically just renaming files.  You must restart VD each time. These .bat files dont work if the Device Manager is open.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: rjamorim on 2004-09-17 15:10:37
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(2) Copy l3codecp.acm in (1) to System32, as l3codeca.acm.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=242304"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


That will only work if you already had l3codeca.acm installed and referenced in the registry.

The right way of installing an ACM codec is using an appropriate .inf file.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Wish on 2004-09-17 15:50:50
WinXP, XP with SP1 integrated and XP with SP2 integrated all come with l3codeca.acm. It's how WMP6 and WMP 8(XP/XP+SP1) and WMP9(XP+SP2) decodes MP3s by using that Advanced codec.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Liisachan on 2004-09-17 18:43:09
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(2) Copy l3codecp.acm in (1) to System32, as l3codeca.acm.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=242304"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


That will only work if you already had l3codeca.acm installed and referenced in the registry.

The right way of installing an ACM codec is using an appropriate .inf file.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=242377"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
True, that is what you'd do if you wanted to install lame acm or l3codeca.acm coming with divx 3.11 alpha.
But like i said, my test was on my clean-installed xp sp1. i.e. l3codeca.acm had been already registered there by default, coming with windows itself. The same is true with xp without sp1, and with Windows 2000 at least if you have installed wmp9. Probably even on win98.

iirc l3codeca.acm, aka IIS Codec, always comes with windows itself by default, as all movie encoders know. The problem is (or was) you cannot encode at > 56kbps with the default version of l3codeca.acm coming with windows itself (thats why they use lame acm or l3codeca 1.2 Build 63i if they want to use acm codecs anyway). 56kbps is crappy

in other words, I'm guessing you might use l3codecp.acm from WMP10 even on win2k/98 even tho (afaik) you cannot install wmp10 on 2k.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: yourtallness on 2004-09-18 12:55:51
Any way to enable joint stereo and change the lowpass of 16 kHz?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: VLSI on 2004-09-18 14:50:30
I hacked together the following as l3codecp.inf and was able to install the acm on my w2k box.  Perhaps it'll be of use to others.

Code: [Select]
; Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (professional)
; Windows 2000 installation file

[Version]
Signature="$CHICAGO$"

[Installable.Drivers]
l3acm=1:l3codecp.acm,"msacm.l3acm","Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (professional)",,,

[DefaultInstall]
CopyFiles=CodecFile
AddReg=RegEntries

[CodecFile]
l3codecp.acm

[RegEntries]
HKLM,SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\drivers.desc,l3codecp.acm,,"Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (professional)"
HKLM,SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\drivers32,msacm.l3acm,,l3codecp.acm

[DestinationDirs]
DefaultDestDir=11
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: yourtallness on 2004-09-20 11:18:40
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Any way to enable joint stereo and change the lowpass of 16 kHz?


Anyone?
There must be a way!
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: yourtallness on 2004-09-26 10:02:25
Tried it with the -h switch which supposedly yields higher
qualty. The result is simple stereo instead of joint stereo
(with only ss frames...). The 16 kHz lowpass is still there
though.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: k.eight.a on 2004-11-27 11:43:16
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Any way to enable joint stereo and change the lowpass of 16 kHz?


Anyone?
There must be a way!
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Too bad since I've noticed the same "bug" in the older FhG encoders.
When this lowpass can't be changed it's useless for me...
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Busemann on 2004-11-28 22:46:16
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Any way to enable joint stereo?
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FWIW high bit-rate joint stereo is generally not something you'd want on mp3 encoders other than LAME..
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: sony666 on 2005-06-08 13:39:27
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Any way to enable joint stereo and change the lowpass of 16 kHz?
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Joint Stereo is active for bitrates <= 128
for 160+ it's off and I can't find a way to enable it either

the HQ mode doesn't seem to do anything except slowing down the encoding by a factor of ~8

the lowpass looks good, at 192k you can still see a cutoff line at 16KHz but lots of content up to 22KHz also. At 128k almost everything above 16K is cut off, as it should be...
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: sony666 on 2005-06-16 18:38:27
for those who didn't know yet

how to make the WMP10 professional codec work in other applications (like EAC) WITHOUT renaming system files

-after installing WMP10 make sure that l3codecp.acm is in the system32 folder. if you dont want to install WMP10 you can extract the file manually with "mp10setup.exe /T:c:\extract /C"

-make sure these registry keys are set, if not add them manually:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32]
"msacm.l3acm"="l3codecp.acm"
"msacm.l3codec"="l3codecp.acm"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\drivers.desc]
"l3codecp.acm"="Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (professional)"


enjoy
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: zombiewerewolf on 2005-06-17 01:39:19
Link to ACMENC is not work. Does anyone have copy?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Tropican on 2005-06-17 03:21:16
Try here:

http://nyaochi.sakura.ne.jp/xoops/modules/...php?cid=1&lid=1 (http://nyaochi.sakura.ne.jp/xoops/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?cid=1&lid=1)
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: zombiewerewolf on 2005-06-17 08:22:40
Thank you for the link. 
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: a_aa on 2005-06-19 17:08:47
Hi - this is the first post from a newbee!

I'm running XP Home SP2, have installed WMP10 and registered the FhG ACM codec as described by Sony66.

I've also downloaded the ACMEnc 0.6 (and msvcr71.dll, which was requested when I tried my first command...) and 'installed' it.

Trouble is, I can't get ACMEnc 0.6 to work  . When using the -ld command, it lists a lot of drivers, including the FhG Pro driver. When using the -lf cammand, it displays abolutely nothing. If I specify the codec I want to see the assosiated formats for, it returns 'Could not open <abbreviation>'

acmenc -c Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (professional) -lf
returns:
Could not open IIS

Anyone experienced the same problem, and has an idea how to fix this? Or maybe recommend another app? I really would like to use foobar to convert my FLACs to low/mid bitrate FhG & LAME and compare them to see what pleases my ears the most... 

May the sun shine!!! AAA
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: LMS on 2005-06-20 13:28:26
My preset for Fraunhofer encoding (using acmenc.exe) in Foobar has this parameter line:

-c  "Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (professional)" -b 192 %s %d

If you want to try the "high quality mode", add the -h switch, but be prepared for encoding time to increase greatly.

Hope this helps you.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: nyaochi on 2005-06-20 16:40:32
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My preset for Fraunhofer encoding (using acmenc.exe) in Foobar has this parameter line:
-c  "Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (professional)" -b 192 %s %d

If you want to try the "high quality mode", add the -h switch, but be prepared for encoding time to increase greatly.

Hope this helps you.
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Alternatively, if you place acmenc.cfg in the same folder as acmenc.exe, you can use "Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (professional)" by simply:
Code: [Select]
acmenc -p fiis-pro -b 192 %s %d

This will add MP3-Info information into MP3 files which is necessary for gapless playback.

PS: I forgot to mention in README file  , but the more comprehensible manual with examples is available at:
[a href="http://nyaochi.sakura.ne.jp/xoops/modules/mysoftwares/tc_3.html]http://nyaochi.sakura.ne.jp/xoops/modules/...wares/tc_3.html[/url]
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: a_aa on 2005-06-20 17:05:23
Well, I think I've just proven myself to really be a newbie...

Two mistakes:
1) I left out the quotemarks on the codec name
2) The -lf test shall be followed by an audio file; I guess it needs the files properties (samplerate, bitdepth etc) to determine what possible output the codec(s) can produce.

Consequently - my command strings were meaningless 

Thanks, LMS & nyacochi, you've got me back on track - everything is working splendid over here now

Edit: Btw, nyaochi, your page is great, but I think you should check the title - seems to me there's a "N" to much, and maybe missing a "M"...
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: nyaochi on 2005-06-20 18:29:25
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Edit: Btw, nyaochi, your page is great, but I think you should check the title - seems to me there's a "N" to much, and maybe missing a "M"...
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Corrected. Thanks for pointing this. Hard for me to notice that
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Synaptic Line Noise on 2005-06-20 20:20:44
Would this inf file worked for extracting the l3codep.acm file from wmp10 and installing in Windows 98 or 2000?

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....pe=post&id=1594 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1594)

EDIT:
never mind, I read all the earlier posts on extracting it out of the installer.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: ezra2323 on 2005-07-13 12:13:02
From the AMCENC user guide.....

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Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (professional)" (l3codecp.acm)
New version of this codec will be copied (not installed) to your computer during WMP10 installation. Although we can convert CD to MP3 only by using WMP10, we cannot use this ACM codec from other applications by default.

To activate it, you must make a registory hack or rename the file name. I don't use this codec for high quality encoding or archiving. But this codec may be a good encoding solution because it is very fast and its quality is quite acceptable. You may be satisfied with this codec if you are looking for a good encoder for low/mid bitrate range. As far as I use this codec, I recommend you not to use -h option (high quality or non-realtime encoding) with this codec because it seems that high quality mode sometimes produces annoying artifacts. Encoder delay is 672 sample, similarly to FastEnc.


Is the referenced registry hack the following?

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  how to make the WMP10 professional codec work in other applications (like EAC) WITHOUT renaming system files

-after installing WMP10 make sure that l3codecp.acm is in the system32 folder. if you dont want to install WMP10 you can extract the file manually with "mp10setup.exe /T:c:\extract /C"

-make sure these registry keys are set, if not add them manually:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32]
"msacm.l3acm"="l3codecp.acm"
"msacm.l3codec"="l3codecp.acm"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\drivers.desc]
"l3codecp.acm"="Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (professional)"


If yes, could it be explained a little clearer? For example, what does [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32] mean?

Does "msacm.l3acm"="l3codecp.acm" mean to rename msacm.l3acm with l3codecp.acm?

Sorry for my not understanding, I am sure most programmers here know exactly what the instructions mean.

Finally, has anyone been able to make ACMENC work via DBPweramp (to transfer tagging information directly)?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: nyaochi on 2005-07-13 17:42:05
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Is the referenced registry hack the following?

Yes.

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If yes, could it be explained a little clearer? For example, what does [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32] mean?

Does "msacm.l3acm"="l3codecp.acm" mean to rename msacm.l3acm with l3codecp.acm?

Sorry for my not understanding, I am sure most programmers here know exactly what the instructions mean.

IIRC, "msacm.l3acm"="l3codecp.acm" means creating a regstiry key/value pair in "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32" position. These key/value pairs will be added to the registry if a user executes *.reg file. So it doesn't indicate replacing actual files. But I don't know the semantics, e.g., how an ACM manager evaluates these registry entries.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Synaptic Line Noise on 2005-07-13 19:39:23
Is this faster than the old one? Has any abx'ed it?

Can or will you have a vbr preset?

And for ezra2323, did renaming it to l3codeca.acm work, if you have wmp 6.4+ installed with the previous mp3 codec?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: ezra2323 on 2005-07-14 01:53:48
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IIRC, "msacm.l3acm"="l3codecp.acm" means creating a regstiry key/value pair in "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32" position. These key/value pairs will be added to the registry if a user executes *.reg file. So it doesn't indicate replacing actual files. But I don't know the semantics, e.g., how an ACM manager evaluates these registry entries.


So how do you 'create' a registry key? I do not have a HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32 path on my machine. Only a C:Windows\system32 directory. In there is the l3codecp.acm file. But what does one do with it? Are you supposed to type  "msacm.l3acm"="l3codecp.acm" somewhere? Where? At a DOS prompt?

I'm not familiar at all with creating a registry key so any help is appreciated. I'm sure its a fairly easy process once you understand what is involved.

I have the l3codecp.acm file located, just not sure what to do with it.

Where does one obtain a .reg file and how do you execute it?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: ezra2323 on 2005-07-14 02:28:18
Do I even need to perform the registry functions to use ACMENC with the WMP10 MP3 encoder or can I just do the following?

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No need for a registry hack. Just go to c:\windows\system32 and rename l3codeca.acm to l3codeca.bak. Then copy l3codecp.acm to l3codeca.acm (swaps the professional one in place of the old advanced one).


What does 'copy' l3codecp.acm to l3codeca.acm mean? Once I rename l3codeca.acm to .bak it will not exist anymore. After renamin git to .bak would I then not just rename l3codecp.acm to l3codeca.acm?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: guruboolez on 2005-07-14 02:34:15
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What does 'copy' l3codecp.acm to l3codeca.acm mean?

You'll replace the old and limited encoder by the new one, which is only copied by WMP after installation of the player, but is not installed. Just give to l3codecp (present but not installed) the same name of l3codeca (installed). Then Windows will use the new encoder instead of the old one.

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Once I rename l3codeca.acm to .bak it will not exist anymore.

Afer renaming the file, or changing the extension, don't press on SUPPR. Then the file won't be deleted 
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: nyaochi on 2005-07-14 03:14:34
Sorry I misunderstood. I thought the method presented in this thread used *.reg file. If you just want to know how to activate l3codecp.acm, just google l3codecp.acm. You will find a lot of useful information. For example,
http://www.looprecorder.de/tut_l3codec.php (http://www.looprecorder.de/tut_l3codec.php)
http://msmvps.com/chrisl/archive/2004/09/04/12994.aspx (http://msmvps.com/chrisl/archive/2004/09/04/12994.aspx)
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Never_Again on 2005-07-14 07:18:32
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So how do you 'create' a registry key?
Start Menu -> Run -> regedit. The Registry Editor window comes up. The interface is similar to Windoze Explorer. You have to know what you are doing though, because a misstep can easily render your Windoze installation unbootable.
You don't need to do it manually, anyway. Just copy the code from VLSI's post (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=26956&view=findpost&p=242616) into a text file, then save into the same directory as the .acm files you extract from the installer but with .inf as the extension, not .txt.  Right-click on the newly created INF, choose Install and reboot.
HTH
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: thisisnuts on 2005-07-16 10:46:00
Hi guys. Great forum.

Just reading through this thread and was wondering what is the advantage of using an ACMENC to access the l3codecp.acm encoder as oppose to just using EAC to ripp and then encode with the same encoder.

I've already adjusted the registry to utilize the Professional version like everyone has.

Then I decided to configure EAC to ripp and then encode using the Professional encoder.
Works well. I'm just using the 128bit.

Then I decided to experiment with the ACMENC, by using EAC to ripp to a wave file and then following the instructions to encode to .mp3. I've also done it with a cdimage.wav of the same CD. As well as using BatchEnc v1.5.1.

All said, don't hear much of a difference.

Is there a PLUS to using a command-line as oppose to just using EAC and the l3codec.acm.


By the way, how do I include "year , "Genre" and ID3v2 Tag within "acmenccs.bat"?
When I use it with a cdimage.wav only ID3v1 Tag is filled in (without year and Genre).
TIA
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: nyaochi on 2005-07-17 02:00:34
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Just reading through this thread and was wondering what is the advantage of using an ACMENC to access the l3codecp.acm encoder as oppose to just using EAC to ripp and then encode with the same encoder.

ACMENC can add special information for gapless playback, which is the very motivation for me to write this software.

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All said, don't hear much of a difference.

Of course no quality difference as they use the same encoding engine (l3codecp).

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By the way, how do I include "year , "Genre" and ID3v2 Tag within "acmenccs.bat"?
When I use it with a cdimage.wav only ID3v1 Tag is filled in (without year and Genre).
TIA
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Modify the batch file to pass --ty and --tg options to acmenc.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: ezra2323 on 2005-07-17 03:11:13
I've done the renaming of  l3codecp.acm to l3codeca.acm (easier and safer than the registry changes). Unfortunately, due to issues with my PC, I cannot use the DOS prmopt and thus AMCEnc (don't ask). As soon as I type/cmd at RUN, the window flashes and disappears. Same thing if I execute AMCEnc.

However, I think BatchEnc may meet my needs. I do have a couple of questions though.

#1 Batchenc says
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The encoders and decoders must be either in the same directory as Batchenc or in the Path. Another posibilty is to specify the location of the encoder on the command line. Example:
"c:\program files\encoders\lame\lame.exe" --alt-preset standard <infile> <outfile.mp3> (the quotes are required when there are spaces in the path). But this last method gets messy soon. I prefer to have all codecs in one directory and add this directory to the search Path. In Windows XP this can be done in: Control Panel -> System -> Advanced -> Environment Variables -> Path -> Edit.


Can I put l3codeca.acm in C:\program files\Bathenc where I have Batchenc located???? Will it work from this location??? If not, how do I access it from its native location of C:\Windows\system 32?? Normally I move codescs wherever I need them, but they are all exe files and NOT located in a Windows/system 32 directory. I'm leery to move anything out of that directory without an expert letting me know its OK for my PC. I've messed my PC up enough already (see earlier comment regarding DOS)

#2 Does someone have a good command line to use l3codeca.acm at 256 kbps? One is not available with Batchenc. I must create it myself. I would like a WAV to MP3 command line and a FLAC to MP3 command line. I would also like to automatically add ID3V2.3 tags (my FLACs are all tagged) in the command line, but it is not critical if this cannot be done. I have several tagging programs to tag afterward.

Thanks for offering an amatuer PC user but MP3 die-hard with any help.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: kindofblue on 2005-07-17 03:46:48
ezra: put the acmenc (exe and other) files in your batchenc directory and try this:
WAV input file:
Code: [Select]
acmenc -p fiis-adv -b 128 - <outfile.mp3>


FLAC input file:
Code: [Select]
flac -d -c -f <infile> | acmenc -p fiis-adv -b 128 - <outfile.mp3> && tag --fromfile <infile> <outfile.mp3>


To check what codecs are installed in your PC
Code: [Select]
acmenc -ld


To check what available bitrates are possible for your wave inputfile (i.e. if 256kb is available)
Code: [Select]
acmenc -c "Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (advanced)" -lf <infile>
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: thisisnuts on 2005-07-17 05:14:28
nyaochi, thanks for your response. And thanks for a fine piece of software.

I've spent the weekend converting a portion of my CD collection using your ACMENC and ACDIR. I decided to first create a cdimage.wav using EAC and then use the command line  "acmenccs --extra-opt "-p fiis-pro -b128" CDImage.cue".

I copied the contents of ACDIR v0.12 and ACMENC into the same folder on the C: drive.

I did notice that if the song title name or Artist is long then the final .mp3 wil have both ID3v1 Tag and ID3v2 Tag filled in. But if the song title or artist name is short, only ID3v1 Tag is filled in. Is this ACMENC or my settings in EAC? Either way can't complain. I guess its better that way.

By the way I'm using WinAmp to play back my mp3s.

Another question, I copied the command line directly from your instructions, but I notice that some people are posting a variation of this command line:

"-b128" as oppose to "-b 128". Does it make a difference if their is no space between -b and 128? I hope not, because I've just spent Saturday converting CDs using this line: acmenccs --extra-opt "-p fiis-pro -b128" CDImage.cue.

Also on BatchEnc, I just copied the contents of the application into the same folder as ACMENC and ACDIR and created a short cut to the desktop and added the command line " acmenc -p fiis-pro -b128 <infile> <outfile.mp3>" in the BatchEnc. I use this if I justed wanted to convert individual (.wav) files that I ripped using EAC. But the result doesn't contain any  ID3v1 Tag or ID3v2 Tag info. What file do I need to modify to include such info if I'm using just the BatchEnc or do I just need to modify the command line "acmenc -p fiis-pro -b128 <infile> <outfile.mp3>".


nyaochi, this is the batch file contents, how would I include year (--ty) and genre (--tg) "@acdir --output "$~a - $n - $~t.mp3" --pipe "acmenc --tt $#t --ta $#a --tl $#T --tn $#n $x - $#o" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9".



Again Thanks.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: nyaochi on 2005-07-17 12:13:09
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I did notice that if the song title name or Artist is long then the final .mp3 wil have both ID3v1 Tag and ID3v2 Tag filled in. But if the song title or artist name is short, only ID3v1 Tag is filled in. Is this ACMENC or my settings in EAC? Either way can't complain. I guess its better that way.

It's definitely ACMENC's behavior. Read carefully the command-line help (acmenc --help), and you will notice --add-id3v2 or --id3v2-only option.

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"-b128" as oppose to "-b 128". Does it make a difference if their is no space between -b and 128? I hope not, because I've just spent Saturday converting CDs using this line: acmenccs --extra-opt "-p fiis-pro -b128" CDImage.cue.

No difference as for ACMENC.

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What file do I need to modify to include such info if I'm using just the BatchEnc or do I just need to modify the command line "acmenc -p fiis-pro -b128 <infile> <outfile.mp3>".

Sorry, I don't use BatchEnc. But ACMENC's command-line options have a kind of compatibility with LAME's one, so I suppose you can create your own by looking at an example for LAME.

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nyaochi, this is the batch file contents, how would I include year (--ty) and genre (--tg) "@acdir --output "$~a - $n - $~t.mp3" --pipe "acmenc --tt $#t --ta $#a --tl $#T --tn $#n $x - $#o" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9".

Something like this:
Code: [Select]
@acdir --output "$~a - $n - $~t.mp3" --pipe "acmenc --id3v2-only --tt $#t --ta $#a --tl $#T --tn $#n #ifdef$r{GENRE}--tg $#r{GENRE}#endif #ifdef$r{DATE}--ty $#r{DATE}#endif $x - $#o" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9

You will probably need --id3v2-only because ID3v1 accepts only a set of predefined genre strings.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: ezra2323 on 2005-07-17 15:24:02
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ezra: put the acmenc (exe and other) files in your batchenc directory and try this:
acmenc -p fiis-adv -b 128 - <outfile.mp3>


Hmmm. Progress. This launches AMCEnc. However, AMCEnc does nothing. It just brings up the window. No prompt for another command, no encoding, etc.

Is there another step I am missing?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: thisisnuts on 2005-07-17 17:15:53
Thanks again, nyaochi.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: kindofblue on 2005-07-18 03:04:10
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ezra: put the acmenc (exe and other) files in your batchenc directory and try this:
acmenc -p fiis-adv -b 128 - <outfile.mp3>


Hmmm. Progress. This launches AMCEnc. However, AMCEnc does nothing. It just brings up the window. No prompt for another command, no encoding, etc.

Is there another step I am missing?
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Verify which FhG codec was installed in your PC
Code: [Select]
acmenc -ld


You should see a list of codecs containing either this:
Code: [Select]
[001389B8] MPEG Layer-3 Codec Version 3.3.44
Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (professional)
Copyright (C) 1996-2004 Fraunhofer IIS


or something like "Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (advanced)"

If it's the professional, then the commandline should be
Code: [Select]
acmenc -p fiis-pro -b 128 <infile> <outfile>


HTH
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: ezra2323 on 2005-07-19 00:30:49
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If it's the professional, then the commandline should be
CODE
acmenc -p fiis-pro -b 128 <infile> <outfile>


That's the trick! Thanks HTH.

Now I can do some CBR 256 kbps testing vs. LAME. It will be disappointing (but amusing) if after all this work, LAME kicks its butt at 256 kbps CBR 
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: ezra2323 on 2005-07-19 00:34:32
One amazing thing. Fraunhofer encodes at 25x vs. LAME at 8x on my PC. Of course, faster should mean (but not absolutely) lower quality. 25x is even faster than Apple encoding AAC on iTunes.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: mat128 on 2005-07-25 23:38:44
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it depends on many factors ... for example, in argentina, a dollar costs 3 pesos, so basically, all that is IT related, for us, is like paying 3 times ... like a HD costs 80 dollars, which is 240 pesos, so in reality, is like if it costs, to US people, 240 dollars ... so ... we are seeing many 256MB machines here ...
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Dude you didn't pass that currency class back in high school did you?
1 US$ = 2.85 pesos

So lets say you're getting 512mb of ram for 50 US$, it costs you 142.50 pesos... But your salary is also multiplied by 2.85 so in the end its approximately the same
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Jojo on 2005-07-25 23:44:25
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it depends on many factors ... for example, in argentina, a dollar costs 3 pesos, so basically, all that is IT related, for us, is like paying 3 times ... like a HD costs 80 dollars, which is 240 pesos, so in reality, is like if it costs, to US people, 240 dollars ... so ... we are seeing many 256MB machines here ...
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Dude you didn't pass that currency class back in high school did you?
1 US$ = 2.85 pesos

So lets say you're getting 512mb of ram for 50 US$, it costs you 142.50 pesos... But your salary is also multiplied by 2.85 so in the end its approximately the same
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what if the average person over there only makes 200 bucks a month, because living expenses are a lot cheaper?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: ezra2323 on 2005-07-30 04:51:25
I recently posed some questions to Fraunhofer regarding their Professional encoder included with WMP 10. The answers I received were informational, fair, and objective. Not the typical marketing BS put forth by Microsoft or even Apple. Overall, I was very impressed with the response.

Is the Professional 3.3.44 the highest quality Fraunhofer MP3 encoder and if so, what improvements have you made to it vs. previous versions?

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There is almost no difference in the encoding quality of different
recent Fraunhofer IIS MP3 encoders. They may, however, differ in
encoding speed, since we have put quite some effort in speed
optimization lately.


What settings are required for the highest quality MP3 encodings?

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For "perfect" stereo MP3, you need two requisites:

1) high bitrate - for highest quality, don't use bitrates below 192
kbit/s.  You should rather consider using 256kbit/s or even 320 kbit/s,
although the difference between the last two is rarely even conceivable
(and only with "golden ears" and a good hifi equipment).

2) a good codec - the Fraunhofer codec is available, for example, with
the MusicMatch Jukebox, with Windows Media 10, with Magix MP3 Maker, and
many more products - look at the disclaimers.  (This does not mean other
MP3 codecs are "bad", however.)

That is all - for the rest of the encoder settings, use the presets,
because they are set to give you maximum quality in the most cases
(including most classical and jazz pieces).


What software applications have the Fraunhofer MP3 encoder embedded?

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There is no current stand-alone "Fraunhofer IIS MP3 Encoder"
available for end-users. You have to use the MP3 encoder that comes with
the software listed above.


Overall, some nice responses. While "perfect" may be stretch, notice there was no claim of 128 = CD quality. he acknowledged that MP3 really excels over 192. He also did not bash LAME or any other encoder.

I have recently been using IIS Pro 3.3.44 at 256 CBR and I am very satisfied by the sound. This is in no way a comparison to LAME 3.90.3 APS which also has a very impressive sound, and at an approximate 20% bit rate discount. I still use LAME APS as my primary encoder but 3.3.44 is worth checking out, if only for comparison purposes, if you have no done so yet. And if you need speed - this encoder is blazing!

Anyway, thought this may be of interest.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: ezra2323 on 2005-08-09 02:52:06
Does anyone have a command line to offer to activate AMCEnc via the command line encoder in EAC? Aside from compressing the ripped WAV to MP3 (say, bit rate of 192 but the number is easy enough to adjust), I would like to also add track name, number, artist, album, and genre.

If this cannot be done from EAC, please advise. I have been using a '2 step' process. Rip CD to WAV via EAC and then compress via BatchEncode (activating AMCEnc). A 1 step rocess would be great!

Thanks.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: kindofblue on 2005-08-09 04:55:58
I've been wondering how to do the same thing with FhG Pro and also Helix. For FhG Pro I think it should be similar to LAME:

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ACMENC's command-line options have a kind of compatibility with LAME's one, so I suppose you can create your own by looking at an example for LAME.


From the ACMENC --help screen:

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      --tt <title>      audio/song title
     --ta <artist>     audio/song artist
     --tl <album>      audio/song album
     --ty <year>       audio/song year of issue (1 to 9999)
     --tc <comment>    user-defined text
     --tn <track>      audio/song track number
     --tg <genre>      audio/song genre name
     --add-id3v2       force addition of ID3v2 tag
     --id3v1-only      add only ID3v1 tag
     --id3v2-only      add only ID3v2 tag
     --tv <vener>      encoder vender string to be stored in MP3 Info tag
     --enc-delay <val> encoder delay in samples to be stored in MP3 Info tag


So one could try something like:
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acmenc -p fiis-pro -b 128 --ta "%a" --tt "%t" --tl "%g" --ty "%y" --tn "%n" --tg "%m" %s %d


You probably might want to add "--add-id3v2" as well in there. Let me know if this works. I dont have access to EAC atm.

cheers
kindofblue
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: ezra2323 on 2005-08-13 04:02:28
I've read conflicting reports regarding stereo vs. joint-stereo for Fraunhofer's codec. I have read it uses joint stereo at 128 or below but normal stereo for higher bit rates.

I have made encodes via AMCEnc and WMP 10 (for comparison purposes) using IIS Professional 3.3.2 build 44 at 192 kbps and 256 kbps. When I import these files into iTunes and click on "get info", all files shows that they are joint stereo.

Does anyone know if it is indeed joint stereo or just iTunes displaying incorect info? If it is joint stereo, is this bad? I have read only LAME should be used with joint stereo at high bit rates.

And here are all the programs I have found that use (or can use) this encoder:

AMCEnc (the best!)
WMP 10
Magix MP3 Maker 10
MusicMatch (newest version)
Sony SonicStage

The encoder seems to have widespread support and seems only 2nd to LAME in use.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: sony666 on 2005-08-14 00:18:26
for FhG encoded files the joint stereo information is not reliable.

only way to check I know is the detail view of EncSpot
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: ezra2323 on 2005-08-14 02:00:04
EncSpot?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: skelly831 on 2005-08-14 02:12:49
EncSpot (http://www.guerillasoft.co.uk/encspot/index.html)

Here's the Link
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: ezra2323 on 2005-08-14 03:13:45
Muchas gracias.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Synaptic Line Noise on 2005-08-14 08:13:37
Is the quality better than the old codec?
Is it better or faster than the opensource helix encoder?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: ezra2323 on 2005-08-16 02:04:15
Via EncSpot, I have confirmed that no matter the bit rate, Fraunhofer IIS 3.3.2 build 44 uses joint stereo. Not sure if this is best at bit rates 192 and up?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: thisisnuts on 2005-08-16 03:41:19
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Via EncSpot, I have confirmed that no matter the bit rate, Fraunhofer IIS 3.3.2 build 44 uses joint stereo. Not sure if this is best at bit rates 192 and up?
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ezra2323,

I've also notice the same thing. Using EncSpot Pro v2.0b397 and Mr.QuestionMan. Not sure if it's an issue with the new version or an issue with EncSpot and Mr.QuestionMan.

I'm using EAC to create an Image.wav and then use:
acmenccs --extra-opt "-p fiis-pro -b128" CDImage.cue
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: magic75 on 2005-08-16 16:14:32
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Via EncSpot, I have confirmed that no matter the bit rate, Fraunhofer IIS 3.3.2 build 44 uses joint stereo. Not sure if this is best at bit rates 192 and up?
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Have you just checked the stereo column or have you checked the frame type distribution graphs? All FhG files I have that are >128 kbps and also labelled joint stereo, have in fact turned out to use 100% ss (simple stereo?) frames, and no ms or is frames at all.

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only way to check I know is the detail view of EncSpot
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: ezra2323 on 2005-08-16 22:18:45
Nayochi's AMCEnc guide states it is unwise to use the -h (high quality) option with Fraunhofer IIS 3.3.2 build 44 due to artifacts. Any idea why the high quality option would produce lower quality results?
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: Otto42 on 2005-08-28 09:51:57
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it did not even play any of my mp3s. says suitable codec not found:)
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Same, I d/led from Wish's link, uninstalled my Raduim hack then installed WMP 10 & now no FhG mp3 codec is installed. Could be I didn't restart my PC yet?
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While this is a bit of an old post, I had this same problem today on my Dad's brand new Dell PC. It came with WMP9 pre-installed, and after installing WMP10, he got that "suitable codec" message when trying to rip a CD to MP3 in WMP10.

Took some searching, but the fix for this is:
-Regedit.
-Open HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/Microsoft/MediaPlayer/Settings/MP3Encoding.
-Delete the "LowrateSample" key.

That's it. This will remove that message (which shouldn't be there anyway on WMP10/XP systems) and allow it to rip to mp3 properly.

Just thought this info might come in handy for somebody else.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: edekba on 2005-08-28 11:17:25
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As for M$'s graphics card recommendation ... maybe they are implementing some 3D effects based on the Doom³ graphics engine ...
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i think i t has more to do w/ Windows' Vista Aero Gfx engine.
Title: WMP10 Final comes with new 2004 FhG Pro ACM codec?
Post by: amitpatel5000 on 2005-12-20 17:13:13
sorry to bring this 3 months old post, but as i was recently interested in the latest commandline encoder (which was in fact realeased after 15 days from the last post of this thread i.e. in septemer)

i have been testing some samples @ 128kbps
and i thought it is also a best place to post, since those interested in this WMP10 final FhG Pro codec might also want to check out this commandline encoder.

if anyone is testing it against acm codec (as this encoder itself encodes files that are recognized by encspot as acm or producer pro) whether both are same or which one is better, plz post here. since it's been long time since FhG's last encoders, researchers might get interested.