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EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Hello Guys


Ok I have a mass of CDs to rip to the highest standard I can achieve.

Ingredients....

1) I'm a very luck boy :-) I have 1 x Plextor Premium II drive (seriously one the best drives ever made for perfect rips.... period !) they do not come any better.....
2) EAC (latest version)
3) PC (I7, SSD etc)

after reading many posts about EAC and setting up correctly, I have a few questions and would appreciate some expert help

I have chosen to use Burst Mode with Accurip enabled to check rip at end of CD

Rip speed in EAC is set to 24x

1) I feel BURST is much kinder to the CD rom Drive rather than SECURE, i.e. BURST MODE .... NOT knocking the guts out of the CR rom drive, when ripping!
2) It Rips the CD in about 5mins rather than 20 + mins :-)


Is there anything wrong with what I have done so far ?


I have chosen to Rip all my discs in  IMG mode ( 1 Track) as this seems a more accurate method over single track mode
I guess this is an exact image of the CD (spacing & timing etc) and I can always re-burn a bit for bit copy of the disc in the future if I need too!

The only thing I don't like about this mode is when I go in to the folder with the single Wav & Cue sheet, I can't see a track list, I know some players give a play list,

Is there anyway when ripping to auto generate a text file with the track list added to the rip folder, so I can double click and see a track list in a text file ?

If I need to extract Individual tracks from the big Wav files, I use a program called Medieval Cue Sheet Splitter that reads the EAC cue sheet,
It seem to work well for extracting individual tracks from the big single file



One other question

I am noticing Accurip text file report after I rip varies with confidence values ??
and Accurately Ripped varies too Although I get no errors ?

 (59/61) Accurately ripped


So why does this not say  (61/61) Accurately ripped


Are these errors with my rips ??


any help would be appreciated, to ensure I have the best settings setup in Eac

Thank you in advanced for any help

Below are two of my  accurip reports, This first report does not look as good as the second report, though both rips say no errors and see to play fine
why does the first report not look as good as the second (confidence etc).



Regards John

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Exact Audio Copy V1.6 from 23. October 2020

EAC extraction logfile from 19. June 2021, 12:31

Various Artists / The Trevor Nelson Collection

Used drive  : PLEXTOR CD-R   PREMIUM2   Adapter: 1  ID: 1

Read mode : Burst

Read offset correction                      : 30
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out          : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks   : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations       : Yes
Used interface                              : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
Sample format      : 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo


TOC of the extracted CD

     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  |  0:00.00 |  4:08.56 |         0    |    18655  
        2  |  4:08.56 |  3:44.03 |     18656    |    35458  
        3  |  7:52.59 |  2:58.62 |     35459    |    48870  
        4  | 10:51.46 |  4:05.04 |     48871    |    67249  
        5  | 14:56.50 |  3:27.61 |     67250    |    82835  
        6  | 18:24.36 |  4:07.47 |     82836    |   101407  
        7  | 22:32.08 |  3:54.64 |    101408    |   119021  
        8  | 26:26.72 |  3:42.34 |    119022    |   135705  
        9  | 30:09.31 |  3:40.56 |    135706    |   152261  
       10  | 33:50.12 |  2:57.00 |    152262    |   165536  
       11  | 36:47.12 |  4:47.41 |    165537    |   187102  
       12  | 41:34.53 |  4:27.18 |    187103    |   207145  
       13  | 46:01.71 |  3:53.33 |    207146    |   224653  
       14  | 49:55.29 |  3:27.00 |    224654    |   240178  
       15  | 53:22.29 |  4:16.64 |    240179    |   259442  
       16  | 57:39.18 |  3:19.35 |    259443    |   274402  
       17  | 60:58.53 |  3:20.36 |    274403    |   289438  
       18  | 64:19.14 |  3:29.05 |    289439    |   305118  
       19  | 67:48.19 |  4:00.26 |    305119    |   323144  
       20  | 71:48.45 |  4:02.68 |    323145    |   341362  
       21  | 75:51.38 |  4:02.52 |    341363    |   359564  


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     Filename C:\The Trevor Nelson Collection\CD3\Various Artists - The Trevor Nelson Collection.wav

     Peak level 98.8 %
     Extraction speed 17.2 X
     Copy CRC CFBE77E6
     Copy OK

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Track  2  accurately ripped (confidence 27)  [402B80BA]  (AR v2)
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Track 11  accurately ripped (confidence 29)  [B12EB5F5]  (AR v2)
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Track 20  accurately ripped (confidence 30)  [BF39D76E]  (AR v2)
Track 21  accurately ripped (confidence 29)  [3BAE6971]  (AR v2)
 
All tracks accurately ripped

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  3   | (61/61) Accurately ripped
  4   | (61/61) Accurately ripped
  5   | (61/61) Accurately ripped
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 20   | (61/61) Accurately ripped
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Exact Audio Copy V1.6 from 23. October 2020

EAC extraction logfile from 19. June 2021, 12:52

Various Artists / The Trevor Nelson Collection 2

Used drive  : PLEXTOR CD-R   PREMIUM2   Adapter: 1  ID: 1

Read mode : Burst

Read offset correction                      : 30
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out          : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks   : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations       : Yes
Used interface                              : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
Sample format      : 44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo


TOC of the extracted CD

     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  |  0:00.00 |  4:42.71 |         0    |    21220  
        2  |  4:42.71 |  4:43.01 |     21221    |    42446  
        3  |  9:25.72 |  3:50.21 |     42447    |    59717  
        4  | 13:16.18 |  3:40.69 |     59718    |    76286  
        5  | 16:57.12 |  3:58.15 |     76287    |    94151  
        6  | 20:55.27 |  3:25.29 |     94152    |   109555  
        7  | 24:20.56 |  3:29.68 |    109556    |   125298  
        8  | 27:50.49 |  3:15.23 |    125299    |   139946  
        9  | 31:05.72 |  3:32.64 |    139947    |   155910  
       10  | 34:38.61 |  4:03.55 |    155911    |   174190  
       11  | 38:42.41 |  3:15.16 |    174191    |   188831  
       12  | 41:57.57 |  4:12.34 |    188832    |   207765  
       13  | 46:10.16 |  3:46.53 |    207766    |   224768  
       14  | 49:56.69 |  5:12.33 |    224769    |   248201  
       15  | 55:09.27 |  4:33.53 |    248202    |   268729  
       16  | 59:43.05 |  3:38.47 |    268730    |   285126  
       17  | 63:21.52 |  3:48.45 |    285127    |   302271  
       18  | 67:10.22 |  4:37.56 |    302272    |   323102  
       19  | 71:48.03 |  3:54.19 |    323103    |   340671  
       20  | 75:42.22 |  3:16.65 |    340672    |   355436  


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     Filename C:\The Trevor Nelson Collection 2\CD1\Various Artists - The Trevor Nelson Collection 2.wav

     Peak level 98.8 %
     Extraction speed 17.2 X
     Copy CRC 52E89F64
     Copy OK

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AccurateRip summary
 
Track  1  accurately ripped (confidence 21)  [6CA9A241]  (AR v2)
Track  2  accurately ripped (confidence 21)  [5C4B1EF9]  (AR v2)
Track  3  accurately ripped (confidence 21)  [148954B7]  (AR v2)
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Track 19  accurately ripped (confidence 21)  [97BC92FF]  (AR v2)
Track 20  accurately ripped (confidence 21)  [53E08F65]  (AR v2)
 
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No Half Measures With Audio, Perfection is the only way every time

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #1
First, stay the hell off Medieval. It breaks files and removes part of the audio signal.

You might use CUETools instead. CUETools also comes with a secure CD ripper.


Quote
So why does this not say  (61/61) Accurately ripped
Because 2 of the 61 disagree with you. That indicates to you that their rip is wrong and your rip is right [note below though].

The AR confidence is not a "score" the way you think it is. If a handful of rips match yours, you don't need to even care about how many don't [note 2 below]
(And, for some discs - singles foremost! - there will be another totally unrelated piece of music with exactly the same track lengths, and you will have a LOT of apparent disagreement because AccurateRip identifies by track lengths and not by music.)

You actually want to read yourself up on what the AR score really is about.


[note]: You see that they are in the last track. There have been some issues in the "lead out" where the last few samples - with only the tape hiss - have been replaced by silence in some drives on some software. That is not your problem, it is theirs.
[note2]: There are some exceptions for certain defective pressings, but I probably shouldn't even mention this. First you need to read AccurateRip 101.
High Voltage socket-nose-avatar

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #2
Thank you for the reply

oh and thank you for the info on Medieval Cue Sheet, I will stop using right away

So can CueTools split to individual Tracks, I have had a look but can't see how at the moment ?

I notice CueTools has a Ripper as you state, why should I use this over EAC, is there any advantage or disadvantage to using one or the other, so far EAC seems to be doing a very good Job :-)

also am I making the best decision to RIP each CD to one file + Cue Sheet ?? I often need to split the big wav back to individual tracks as I use them in Serato DJ software as single Wavs

So need a good way to split the big wav in to tracks again, preserving the original quality of the Rip and extracting the same quality when converting back to tracks


Thanks for any help in advance
No Half Measures With Audio, Perfection is the only way every time

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #3
Is there anyway when ripping to auto generate a text file with the track list added to the rip folder, so I can double click and see a track list in a text file ?
This isn't automated but
Database > Export CD Information To > Text File...
will create text file with a track list and other CD information.

I am noticing Accurip text file report after I rip varies with confidence values ??
Note: You are seeing accuracy reports from two different database plugins.
One summary from the AccurateRip Database and one status report from the CUETools Database (CTDB).

So can CueTools split to individual Tracks, I have had a look but can't see how at the moment ?
Yes, see http://cue.tools/wiki/CUETools
korth

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #4
Thank You for the reply

Much appreciated
No Half Measures With Audio, Perfection is the only way every time

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #5
Note: If you have specific questions about CUETools or CUERipper, you should start a new topic in the CUETools board.

I notice CueTools has a Ripper as you state, why should I use this over EAC, is there any advantage or disadvantage to using one or the other, so far EAC seems to be doing a very good Job :-)
If course there are advantages or disadvantages to using one or the other but I don't know if anyone has compiled a list.
One disadvantage of CUERipper is that it can't rip select tracks. You have to rip the entire CD.
One disadvantage of EAC is that it has a lot of settings and can be complicated to get setup the way you want. Fewer settings in CUERipper can be a disadvantage as well because you may not be able to get it the way you had EAC setup.
And so on...

Some differences can be found on the Comparison of CD rippers wiki page
korth

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #6
CUERipper can however split to tracks upon ripping, it does not need to save as image. So if you say, want only the last track - you will have to let it rip and then delete all the others.

There are several "special cases" where one does things the other doesn't. For example:
* CUERipper can be invoked by command-line. For those who care.
* CUERipper can detect those very few pesky cases where a CD has pre-emphasis flag in subchannel but not in table of contents.
* EAC has several settings to deal with other troublemakers.
High Voltage socket-nose-avatar

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #7
If you want the "highest standard" rips then you really should use Secure + Test & Copy. But if drive wear & tear is a concern then you need to make a compromise, which is what you've done. Having said that,. I've never had a drive fail on me in 20 years of ripping CDs.

Also, this is inaccurate: "I have chosen to Rip all my discs in IMG mode ( 1 Track) as this seems a more accurate method over single track mode".

Creating individual tracks with EAC with the correct settings will yield perfect rips, and also give you a visual tracklist, and no need to split them, and all players will play them (some players don't read cue sheets nor embedded cue sheets).

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #8
Hey Guys thank you for your replies


Hey JayBeee can you help me out please...

I fully understand what you are saying and I started my ripping with secure mode it was taking about 20 mins per CD

ok

So after reading several posts on this forum other people were saying you don not need to use secure mode !

as long as you use Burst Mode With AccuRip test

I have the best Plextor Drive for Ripping Premium II C2 Error detect etc.....


Now. if Accurip test passes at the end of the Burst Rip, ... Will there be  any audio difference between a Rip in Secure mode or Burst mode ???

Surely the Accurip Checksum is the key to both Rips Sounding the same,

so then I ask the question why do you say for the highest Standard Rips I should use Secure & test , because ....

if i'm ripping in BURST mode and accurip testing passes, is that not the same ??  i.e. the accurip check sums have passed with other peoples rips, are you saying the audio will be a lower quality in Burst Mode ???

Will there be better AUDIO quality with a Secure Rip vs a Burst Rip

sorry but i'm a little confused, surly both Rips will be identical sounding from an audio point of view ...no ?

Thank you for any help

Just trying to ensure the best quality audio from the RIPs


My next question is why is this plextor premium II drive so much better rated than any old CD/DVD rom drive ????

Again surely this is all a load of old hype from years ago, ???? I appreciate years ago optical drive were very flaky, I use two own 6 scsi plextor 40 speed read drives which were the best at the time and very expensive, I still own 4 of them, but would NOT consider using them today with a adaptec 2940 scsi card. New dvd / bluray drive are far more reliable with the Ripping process

As today new DVD / BluRay drive rip audio CDs fine, they don't even glitch? so again I ask the question will there any audio difference vs my plextor or New BluRay Drive when ripping audio CDs ?

If I rip on my super Plextor premium II drive vs an everyday DVD drive, will there be any improvement on audio quality ??

my gut tells me NO... both drives will ripp audio that sounds the same if the checksums of accurip pass,

so all this hype years ago about plextor premium II making the audio rip sound better .... Really ??

yes my plextor Premium may be built better than a modern DVD drive but surely a EAC digital rip is the same with both old plextor and new DVD drive
oh and the audio will sound identical


surely if both the accurip checksum are equal on the cheap DVD vs my plextor Premium II drive, this blows this myth about plextor drives ripping better out the window ??

and again surely the audio rip will sound the same from both the drives ???

I am really getting confused about all the hype on ripping from plextor & secure mode


Are we not simply saying if your CD collection is badly scratched or damaged then use a Plextor Premium II with C2 error detection and secure mode for the best results,

But,....

if your CD's are in mint / new condition any old CD rom (with No C2 error detection) will do the same job as a Plextor Premium with NO AUDIO sound difference in either Burst or Secure mode


Because this is the way I am seeing it and experiencing ???


Please tell me otherwise as this is a massive long job and I want to get it right


but really not sure if the audio will sound any better in any of the modes as long as the accurip check is good ?


Thanks in advance for any help

at the moment I'm using Burst + Accurip Test @ 24x speed

I would also like to ADD I have an RME very high end audio studio sound card, It is the best audio sound card I have ever owned and really hi-lights any audio quality issues with rips.

I think most CDs I am ripping are very badly mastered and sound rubbish if i'm honest !! no depth, no stereo wideness or openness, just dull and lifeless !

To be honest CD 44.100hz sampling is really poor compared to ripping my vinyl at 32bit 192khz

So one will never get anywhere near the sound quality from CD of vinyl and I solely miss the wideness, dynamics and stereo depth we enjoyed from vinyl before the compressed 44.100hz CD came in to our world in the early 80s.


Most of the CDs I rip, sound compressed and never has the stereo depth and wideness or dynamics of vinyl or the clarity, so over all I'm very disappointed with most CD's I Rip

the mastering on my older CD's is total garbage too


I appreciate any feedback and advice


regards
No Half Measures With Audio, Perfection is the only way every time

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #9
So in the real world

with my current settings in EAC set @ 24 speed burst mode, Rip to single file using a plextor premium II, with Accurip test? rip takes about 5mins

my CDs are in in pristine condition, like new

will I get anything better in audio quality if I set EAC to secure 4/8 speed Secure Mode ?? other than it taking about 20mins to rip a CD

My main concern is will the audio sound better ?? with one rip over the other

after all CDs are not great sounding at the best of times, so trying to get the best audio rip possible


So will a slower secure Rip give me anything better, with mint pristine CD's

Thank you in advance for any help

Regards
No Half Measures With Audio, Perfection is the only way every time

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #10
Now. if Accurip test passes at the end of the Burst Rip, ... Will there be  any audio difference between a Rip in Secure mode or Burst mode ???

if i'm ripping in BURST mode and accurip testing passes, is that not the same ??  i.e. the accurip check sums have passed with other peoples rips, are you saying the audio will be a lower quality in Burst Mode ???

Will there be better AUDIO quality with a Secure Rip vs a Burst Rip

No.


yes my plextor Premium may be built better than a modern DVD drive but surely a EAC digital rip is the same with both old plextor and new DVD drive
oh and the audio will sound identical

Correct.

You don't have to trust anyone on this, you can test it yourself:
- rip a disc with the Plextor
- rip the same disc with another drive
- use foobar2000's bit comparison component to compare the 2 rips

They'll be identical, except perhaps at the very first or last samples of the rip due to the drives' overreading settings.


will I get anything better in audio quality if I set EAC to secure 4/8 speed Secure Mode ?? other than it taking about 20mins to rip a CD

So will a slower secure Rip give me anything better, with mint pristine CD's

No. Do the same test as before.

Use Secure mode only for the tracks where Burst Test & Copy failed AR verification, sometimes it helps. If Secure does not help, try another drive, or try CUERipper.

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #11
One other quick question please,,,,,

Is image mode in EAC a more accurate Rip or is single Track more accurate

I would imagine image mode is the most accurate as this can produce a true bit for bit copy of the CD, including timings etc all in one file, so if you burn it back to a CD you get an exact replica, similar to an ISO file for DVD/BluRay

where as stripping the CD to separate files/tracks could loose some of the timing

also mix CD with one long mix on separate tracks don's play well once ripped on separate tracks, I always image in EAC a mix CD to one track, this always then plays perfect

So i'm guessing the most accurate RIP is an image in EAC to one track


Regards
No Half Measures With Audio, Perfection is the only way every time

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #12
Thanks for your feedback cynic

you have just clarified most of what I believe, there are so many myths out there about CD ripping / speeds / make of drive

what makes me laugh is.. I can go and buy another plextor premium II drive like what I have for about £500 or go to PC world and buy a DVD drive for about £30 and get the same results from ripping my CDs ???


Regards
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Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #13
Is image mode in EAC a more accurate Rip or is single Track more accurate

This has already been answered by jaybee but to re-iterate:
No, both modes are identical and can be converted losslessly to the other whenever you want with CUETools.

When ripping to tracks, if the disc has a hidden track at the start (HTOA), you need to extract it separately in EAC (if your drive is capable).

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #14
In Burst Mode it's possible to obtain a verified rip with an AccuratRip confirmation even though if you did a rip of the same CD in Secure Test & Copy mode you'd get sync and/or timing errors, because the CD has some manufacturing defect or is suffering from disc rot (like those CDs made by PDO UK in the early 90s.) I've some of those CDs and often the only way to rip them completely is in Burst Mode. If you're lucky the Test & Copy CRC will match and you may even get an AccurateRip confirmation. This is an extreme case and you will not get a high confidence, at best confidence 1 or 2, but this is just to say that with the Secure Mode you avoid that kind of cases.

So, in Burst mode it only means your results match those in AccurateRip's database. But if you're the only person to have ripped that CD, then you'll just get "Track not present" or a "Confidence 1" if you've already submitted the results of a previous rip. Or worse, you'll get no confirmation because you ripped a promotional pressing while other rips in AR's database are of the retail CD. In cases where AR's database doesn't hold much info I personally would prefer a rip done in Secure Mode and Test & Copy. But yeah, if you get a high Confidence result then it's highly likely the method doesn't matter much. Although you'll only know about that after the rip is done.

So, with Secure Test & Copy you can be 100% sure of the result. With Burst Mode you cannot be 100% sure, even though many CDs will likely be fine if their AR confidence score is high.

Perhaps the answer for you is to use Secure Test & Copy on CDs that are rare and/or lead to low confidence levels.

Hope that helps.

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #15
JayBeee

Thank you for a very detailed explanation, I fully understand what you are saying...

And i am currently Ripping some Sounds Direct CD's from the 90s with a strange problem, they are taking ages to go through the Eac track gap analyst at the the beginning 15mins or so ? So there is something very strange with these pressings / disc rot etc,

So have chosen secure mode for these rips.

Thanks once again for everyone's input, its very much appreciated
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Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #16
So, with Secure Test & Copy you can be 100% sure of the result. With Burst Mode you cannot be 100% sure, even though many CDs will likely be fine if their AR confidence score is high.
This is false, Secure mode doesn't guarantee anything other than wasting time, consistent errors exist and even AccurateRip can sometimes be tricked by them, Secure mode much more so.

There is no 100% certainty in digital audio extraction. Defective and copy-protected discs will be troublesome no matter what, Secure mode won't save you.

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #17
Thanks for the info Cynic.

"Secure mode won't save you" - nor will Burst mode. But of the two I'd go with Secure T&C. But I don't have 1000s of discs to rip nor do I care about them taking 20-60mins (my drive tends to rip at 1-1.5x, so they take a while - and I'd be even happier if they only took 20mins).

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #18
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I'd be even happier if they only took 20mins).
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If you get a Plextor Premium II drive. a secure Rip is about 20 mins

just done 4 CDs that were hard work with the pressing / normal imaging ?, but managed a secure Rip successfully in about 20mins :-)
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Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #19
"Secure mode won't save you" - nor will Burst mode. But of the two I'd go with Secure T&C.

Secure mode is:
1. more likely to be fooled by consistent errors than Burst T&C and AccurateRip are
2. significantly slower
3. more stressful on the hardware

There is no justification for it to be the default ripping method. EAC's author, Andre Wiethoff, uses burst T&C by default with caching drives.

When there are no AR records to check against, it is often faster to do a Burst T&C in EAC, then another full rip with CUERipper and/or another drive and bit-compare the 2, than to wait for a full Secure mode rip.

EDIT: let alone a Secure T&C, now that's a royal waste of time.

Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #20
dBpoweramp - from the creator of AccurateRip - operates roughly this way:
* Burst first. Checks AccurateRip, stops if verified
* Secure passes.
* If still issues: starts reading troublesome frames.

Because AccurateRip is tracks-based and omits the beginning and end, yes there can be errors where it isn't even included in the checksum. But if you verify both the AR database and the CUETools database, then we can relax our OCDs :-)
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Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet

Reply #21
There's also Easy Audio Copy (not free) from the developer of EAC
  • Burst first pass. Checks AccurateRip, stops if verified
  • Burst second pass. Checks AccurateRip, stops if verified or CRC matches 1st pass
  • Secure passes
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