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  • francesco
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are really remastered cd worth to buy ? in my case the last Camel remasterd cd
hi
for xmass , a friend of mine gave me as prent 6 camel remasterd albums

the original cd (not mastered ) they sound good for me , my question is i can't hear great diffrents between them , only i better dinamic ,at least these are my ears
i have used an exansive marantz cd player with expansive sennheiser & grado headphone  and again for my ears there is really a light better dynamic

i wanted to rip them and compare
my question is do you think many audio remastered relese are worth to buy? Or are only remastered working with an equalizer ?

i add 2 screenshots about only 2 tracks ,Camel   Slow Yourself Down
honesly i like more the original recording

original track


remastered 2009



spectrogram
original

remastered


ripped with eac and wave 44.1 16bit they look the same
can you tell me what do you think?
thanks
  • Last Edit: 06 January, 2018, 03:51:53 AM by francesco

Re: are really remastered cd worth to buy ? in my case the last Camel remasterd cd
Reply #1
Without 30 second audio samples it's difficult to tell you exactly how this sounds.

There's some difference visible in the graphs that suggest the remaster is different from the original especially in the part above 16 KHz and the part below 1 KHz.

If you like the originals better than the remasters then the remasters are not worth buying and vice versa.

  • francesco
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Re: are really remastered cd worth to buy ? in my case the last Camel remasterd cd
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Without 30 second audio samples it's difficult to tell you exactly how this sounds.

There's some difference visible in the graphs that suggest the remaster is different from the original especially in the part above 16 KHz and the part below 1 KHz.

If you like the originals better than the remasters then the remasters are not worth buying and vice versa.
hi
i love this forum , i read several times the rules ,even english is not my native language
i don't know if i can upload 30 seconds o more of audio with copyright
about it was a gift
have you seen remastered like this or similar?
thank you so much , i really appreciate your help

Re: are really remastered cd worth to buy ? in my case the last Camel remasterd cd
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hi
i love this forum , i read several times the rules ,even english is not my native language
i don't know if i can upload 30 seconds o more of audio with copyright
about it was a gift
have you seen remastered like this or similar?
thank you so much , i really appreciate your help

Clips of 30 seconds or less are allowed providing that's all you post of each different master.  Do not post the whole song or album at all.

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  • lvqcl
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Re: are really remastered cd worth to buy ? in my case the last Camel remasterd cd
Reply #4
You posted spectrograms of lossy encoded files, why? Did you rip them to MP3?

  • francesco
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Re: are really remastered cd worth to buy ? in my case the last Camel remasterd cd
Reply #5
You posted spectrograms of lossy encoded files, why? Did you rip them to MP3?
hi
honestly i have ripped both in flac
thanks

@Chibisteven
hi
should i have to upload 30 sec here or can i upload in other host site?
thanks
  • Last Edit: 06 January, 2018, 10:03:47 AM by francesco

Re: are really remastered cd worth to buy ? in my case the last Camel remasterd cd
Reply #6
The obviously hyper-compressed one was widely sold as being "remastered"   
  • Last Edit: 06 January, 2018, 10:33:50 AM by Arnold B. Krueger

  • Bero1707
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Re: are really remastered cd worth to buy ? in my case the last Camel remasterd cd
Reply #7
In most cases remastered CDs are overly compressed and brickwalled but there are few exceptions.
There is this site where you can check dynamic range of different CD releases: dr.loudness-war.info
  • Last Edit: 06 January, 2018, 10:41:53 AM by Bero1707

  • francesco
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Re: are really remastered cd worth to buy ? in my case the last Camel remasterd cd
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In most cases remastered CDs are overly compressed and brickwalled but there are few exceptions.
There is this site where you can check dynamic range of different CD releases: dr.loudness-war.info
hi
beautiful site , really , they use a foobar components, i have checked ,seems they have remastered for example the album Camel twice
in the site there is 2002 ,in my cd 2009 ::)
thanks

Re: are really remastered cd worth to buy ? in my case the last Camel remasterd cd
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hi
should i have to upload 30 sec here or can i upload in other host site?
thanks

You can upload here (recommended).

Click on "Add files by dragging & dropping or selecting them".

Re: are really remastered cd worth to buy ? in my case the last Camel remasterd cd
Reply #10
Paschal Byrne remastered the 2002 re-releases and I believe Andy Latimer approved them as well. I think this is one of those seldom cases where the remasters are just as dynamic (or more so) than the original CDs.

In any case I only own The Snow Goose Japanese SHM-SACD (I know: laugh it up, folks. It will be worth money soon when it's out of print.) According to the liner notes in English this one was "flat-transfered to DSD from the original tapes in 2013." I can't measure it with the DR meter unless I make an "analog-loophole" copy but it doesn't sound compressed at all.

I personally wouldn't mind getting some of those 2002 remasters in my CD collection. Other than the aforementioned CD I only have a German first pressing of "Camel" and a US "Mirage" on vinyl.
The Loudness War is over. Now it's a hopeless occupation.

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Re: are really remastered cd worth to buy ? in my case the last Camel remasterd cd
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Most remasters of CDs are just plain bad and much worse than the original version, particularly if the original was released in the late 80s or early 90s (when digital audio wasn't abused to such a degree yet).

If the original release is from the mid-late 90s or later there's a good possibility that it won't make it (much) worse. Just trust your ears. Though the waveform posted by Arnold speaks pretty clearly as well: Killed the dynamics (can't have silent parts in a modern remaster and brickwall limited everything to hell and back...).
  • Last Edit: 07 January, 2018, 01:38:58 PM by Deathcrow

Re: are really remastered cd worth to buy ? in my case the last Camel remasterd cd
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i love this forum , i read several times the rules ,even english is not my native language
It's not mine either.

But if you really do, you should at least do us all a favour and start using a capital "I" instead of "i" (as in "i love this forum") for clarity's and common sense's sake.

Call me old-fashioned, but I find this tendency of lower-casing everything most annoying and usually getting in the way of my wanting to continue reading on/taking such texts seriously. I bet many others might feel the same way too.
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