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Misc. => Recycle Bin => Topic started by: rain2 on 2005-12-08 19:44:32

Title: mp3 format delivers only 25dB SNR
Post by: rain2 on 2005-12-08 19:44:32

Ever wondered, what happens to your music when encoding to mp3 ?
I always wondered, if mp3 not only removes psycho-acoustical "masked out" inaudible content (this is the common opinion about mp3 and all lossy encoding theories), but also adds a fair amount of noise to the signal, which was not yet measured or discussed.
So I measured the actual SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio) in the spectrum, and was very disappointed but confirmed about my listening observation.

I measured the SNR between busy frequency bands and silent frequency bands. The result is:

Title: mp3 format delivers only 25dB SNR
Post by: rain2 on 2005-12-08 19:46:02
(http://mandala-in-mind.com/lossysnr/lin04.png)

(http://mandala-in-mind.com/lossysnr/lin05.png)

(http://mandala-in-mind.com/lossysnr/lin06.png)

(http://mandala-in-mind.com/lossysnr/lin07.png)

(http://mandala-in-mind.com/lossysnr/lin08.png)

(http://mandala-in-mind.com/lossysnr/lin09.png)

(http://mandala-in-mind.com/lossysnr/lin10.png)

(http://mandala-in-mind.com/lossysnr/lin11.png)

(http://mandala-in-mind.com/lossysnr/lin19.png)

(http://mandala-in-mind.com/lossysnr/lin20.png)
Title: mp3 format delivers only 25dB SNR
Post by: rain2 on 2005-12-08 19:47:21
(http://mandala-in-mind.com/lossysnr/lin21.png)

(http://mandala-in-mind.com/lossysnr/lin22.png)

(http://mandala-in-mind.com/lossysnr/lin23.png)

(http://mandala-in-mind.com/lossysnr/lin24.png)

(http://mandala-in-mind.com/lossysnr/lin25.png)

(http://mandala-in-mind.com/lossysnr/lin26.png)
Title: mp3 format delivers only 25dB SNR
Post by: Lyx on 2005-12-08 19:52:25
This is very interesting to know for educational purposes - but the big question:

Quote
So I measured the actual SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio) in the spectrum, and was very disappointed but confirmed about my listening observation.


Can you also ABX the added noise with music(thus, non-testsignals)? If no, then it doesn't matter - because thats the purpose of lossy encoders: remove stuff which you cannot hear, and add noise/inaccuracies in areas where you won't notice them.

If you cannot, then you should remove the latter claim in your post, and add a notice that the added noise is inaudible to you.
Title: mp3 format delivers only 25dB SNR
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2005-12-08 19:57:31
....

Did you notice your valleys go down to 89 db?  Maybe if you tried with a signal at -89 / 0db, you'd notice there's no problem?