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Support - (fb2k) / Re: %CONTENT GROUP% mapping error
Last post by incifinci -
@infinci
I try to give you a logical explanation...
Thank you for your really interesting and valuable explanation. It seems to be right story. Unfortunately, 1. not fully right; 2. it only affects the surface, not the deep waves. As a result, what appears to be true, in the end became false. Half-truths are dangerous things, they deceive people.

Explanation little later, I am busy now.

So, let us go.

thomian wrote: "Unfortunately the term "content group" is a bit misleading and the description in the documentation is not very well comprehensible, too..." Exactly. On such an important question, I am sure, the fog is not a coincidence. It absolutly would not be difficult to write it simply, clearly: TIT1 is symphony, TIT2 is part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4. As thomian wrote. Instead, they continue to increase the fog. On the http://id3.org/id3v2.4.0-frames website they are talking about a category, not about a work (opus), as a part holder. The two are: heaven and earth, quite different. Category: similar things based on a criterion. Apple in Europe and banana in Africa, 2000 kilometers: one category - fruit. BUT THEY ARE NOT PARTS OF ONE, OF THE SAME WORK, SAME PART HOLDER. It would be: two apples on the same tree, stacked next to each other. The tree is the the WORK, the PART HOLDER.
Indeed! I shall go further. For about 20 years, I began to organize and listen to my music with billgates' windows media player. I am sure, this was the case for, at least, 50% of people. Rather, probably 80-90%. So, this is exactly authoritative. Now I do not want to have this program even for a minute on my PC, but I have been running a .xls file for a long time, for important music data, including, of course, tags. I have been writing in the past: "WMP, TIT1: Music category description". "CATEGORY" IS NOT "PART HOLDER"! Previous WMP (8?), comments in native for me hungarian: "WMP fejléc: Alműfaj. WMP címkeszerkesztő: Alműfaj." In english, about: "WMP header: Subtype. WMP label editor: Subtype".
I am going further. We must not forget: when someone starts to organize and listen his music on a computer, he will not look at id3.org's homepage. May be, he did not even hear about it in all his life. He will look at descriptions, names, and help of his player application -- WMP in our case.


Summarizing: perfectly clear, billgates told us, that the TIT1 = Music CATEGORY. AND I USED IT THIS WAY IN LAST ~20 YEARS. Please, do not tell me: billgates and id3.org did not heard about each other. Do not tell me: billgates has nothing to do with these tags. Do not tell me, that I made a mistake, and 20 years ago I should not have read the description of the WMP, but I should have telephoned all kinds of offices for different standards, and read tons of technical papers about the tags and other technical things of musical ART.

Well, that is all about TIT1 (CONTENT GROUP).

Following. Today, xiph.org says something else about this, it recommends something else. What is xiph.org? Did they make FLAC? No -- Josh Coalson did it. But today somehow the xiph.org guys have it. Did they write the best music player? No - Peter Pawlowski wrote it. Did they make the Vorbis Comments tag standard? I do not know - it does not matter. 8 year old girl can do it. "Flora, dear, come to the board! How do you describe the second white bread on the shelf? Uncle teacher, like: <TITLE> = bread, <TRACKNUMBER> = 2, <COLOR> = white." Add this simple TXT- or CSV-like info to the beginning of the music file - even I do it. This is not the discovery of DNA. This is just a standard - for which xiph.org has placed its hand now. If I do not dance, as they whistle, then it is "abuse", and it "will be discouraged". (Yet without guns, I hope...) Tomorrow they might even want to say, how to put my back side on the toilet seat.

Next. I want to listen to music. What am I beginning to wonder about? What is its barcode? Who released the disc? Who mixed it? The publisher's website? Who was the first performer? NO. I am going to think about: viennese classic, or romantic? Symphony, or piano concerto? Or swing, reggae, Elvis? BUT THE ABOVE ONES HAVE THEIR TAGS - THESE ONES HAVE NOT. Symphony, concerto, chamber music or solo: NO TAG for these, FIRST LEVEL IMPORTANT categories. Beethoven, Mozart, Tchaikovsky, Grieg, Schumann: genre is "classical". Or "oldies". Indeed, "others". As a shit in the corner. But if two guys drop the drum in the neighboring garage, there are 170 genres: Acid breaks, Bakersfield sound, Cakewalk, and so on, and so on, and so on. (Id3, and the follower Vorbis Comment guys opinion...)

IS THIS CATEGORIZATION MUSIC FRIENDLY, WORTHY OF HUMAN BEING? MUST WE FOLLOW THESE GUYS? The answer is clear.

Well, that is all about xiph.org's recommendations.

Next. Of course, there is a need for a tag, that combines the 4 parts of a symphony. Billgates, see above, has said it consistently: TIT1 is not for this purposes. Good. Now, what is it: CD? What is it: album? Constraints - technical parameters. 40-60 minutes rooms on a vinyl LP. On a shellac: less. On a CD: 80 minutes. On the internet: 20 billion or more. At the age of Beethoven, the technical parameter was: how long can a listener sit in the same place without bothering him. That is, why a symphony is 40-50 minutes. That is, why 1.5-2 hours are operas - but with breaks.

So I decided, perfectly reasonably, that I adapt my decisions in music art not to technical characteristics of shellac, viny, CD, but rather to art itself. That is why I am not interested in, or more precisely, not just, what the publisher packed on a disc. For me: a symphony is an album. A piano concert: an album. Vivaldi, 4 seasons: 4 albums (because opus 8 contains 12 works). And I have been using such tag system for 20 years without any big problems.

But today some guys want to say me, that I am stupid, and I must to use TIT1 in absolutely other way...
And I must to rewrite all of my ~300 foobar autoplaylist, because nearly all of them use the first level important tag CONTENT GROUP. But these guys do not plan to pay for my ~1 day work...

By the way, dear Peter -- again, a hundred time written suggestion :D : human readable and editable autoplaylistes in separate files will be sooo nice...
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CUETools / Re: Manually fixing a rip offset
Last post by BigBertrand -
Ok, I have fixed it by manually applying offset 48. (to confirm, I tried both -48 and +48)

Interestingly enough, AccurateRip wasn't matching with the "bad" rip, even offsetted:
Code: [Select]
[AccurateRip ID: 0010dc8f-00a07b17-ac093e0c] found.
Track   [  CRC   |   V2   ] Status
 01     [6ad7d846|1b70bc01] (0+0/4) No match
 02     [f610bde3|308faad8] (0+0/4) No match
...
 11     [d5ec9590|b84a3f4a] (0+0/4) No match
 12     [249d0cdf|b9977aa8] (0+0/4) No match
Offsetted by 48:
 01     [6ee04315] (0/4) No match (V2 was not tested)
 02     [1d194b33] (0/4) No match (V2 was not tested)
 ...
 11     [398b030b] (0/4) No match (V2 was not tested)
 12     [49eba09b] (0/4) No match (V2 was not tested)
... but with my "fixed" rip, it did match:
Code: [Select]
[AccurateRip ID: 0010dc8f-00a07b17-ac093e0c] found.
Track   [  CRC   |   V2   ] Status
 01     [6ee04315|1588843b] (0+4/4) Accurately ripped
 02     [1d194b33|4f97edd0] (0+4/4) Accurately ripped
...
 11     [398b030b|1d5aaa94] (0+4/4) Accurately ripped
 12     [49eba09b|df7b53d6] (0+4/4) Accurately ripped
(also, before verifying, I try with removing EAC log files, etc. from the folders, to not "hint" CueTools)

Long story short, my rip is fixed and I'm happy.
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Scientific Discussion / Re: Help me understand why sound is one dimensional
Last post by silverprout -
All of the physical stuff being described can be modeled by a competent mechanical/electrical engineering team.  Modeled so accurately that a 'virtual' copy of the speaker can likely predict the behavior incredibly accurately (including the enviornment.)  All of the things like 'standing waves' on a speaker diaphragm are 'old hat', and can be predicted fairly well.

It is perhaps time to add a new knowledge to your personal culture... it hadn't been done yet, i would be very pleased to see one of that kind of study before my death.
In an effort to stay in touch with the topic, i can say that the sound propagation in our environement (air, room and objects) is infinitely complex and unpredictible by nature, and the 1D point of view is a good explanation for the children but not for an adult.
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Opus / Re: Opus 1.3-rc
Last post by Leer10 -
I really appreciate the addition of stereo speech in 1.3 below 32 kbps. At 1.2.1,  stereo coding appears to be practically nonexistent at 24 kbps. From what I've encoded, it seems that with 1.3's "stereo speech coding" does have a hard limit at around 18 kbps. Given the name, I assume that it's not intended for music, but since my ears are really prematurely aged I am a lot more sensitive to stereo content. Audio bandwidth and many artifacts only really get noticeable to me below 24 kbps. I can still hear when the voice gets grainy at lower bitrates, but improving low-bitrate stereo definitely improves my subjective quality.
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CUETools / Re: Manually fixing a rip offset
Last post by BigBertrand -
I don't care if the difference is small, it is different and I want the track boundaries to be correct. ???

From CueTools documentation:
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Offset {textbox}
    Offset, in samples, to apply when encoding or verifying. This value should be 0 unless you need to shift the audio in a rip that, for example, was made with an incorrect read offset correction. A positive value here will shift the audio backward (or, you can think of it as shifting the track boundaries forward) by that many samples. This will result in some samples being truncated from one end of the file and null samples added to the other end, to preserve the overall length.

from Documentation\EAC.txt:
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The Plextor 14/32 has an offset value of +679 samples, which means that
679 samples usually are missing at the end of a WAV file.

So, to fix my rip I would have to input +48 in CueTools, as korth also said. Do you people confirm?
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WavPack / (Nitpick) Future WavPack update - display 32-bit float in file properties
Last post by Isaac#4 -
I've noticed that Foobar is unable to report whether a WavPack file contains 32-bit integer or floating point information. I know that WavPack did not truncate the floating point numbers out of the original data, because when I use the WavPack decoder, I get the raw 32-bit floating bit PCM back.

I'm assuming that this is something with the WavPack encoder/decoder and not Foobar? If so, would it be possible for it to have a future release where it tells Foobar whether it's a 32-bit floating point file or not? (Similar to 32-bit wav files?)
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General Audio / Re: Beats Per Minute
Last post by Isaac#4 -
By heading, do you mean a tag to an audio file? --- I'm not sure if there's a way to have Foobar write BPM data to a file's tags unless the tag information already existed in the source file.

Or are you trying to add a custom attribute to Foobar's GUI? --- If this is true, then try %BPM%, if that doesn't work, then try $meta(BPM)
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3rd Party Plugins - (fb2k) / Re: foo_onewaysync
Last post by tipar -
As awesome as it is I do not like the fact that I cannot copy all the files to the same folder; I mean they are separated by artist even if I titleformat only with _path. Good work indeed, anyway.
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