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Title: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-05-30 14:38:22
iPod management component for foobar2000 0.9.5+.

Home page with details and download (http://yuo.be/ipod.php)

Notes/FAQs/changelog available here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start). If you read the notes and FAQs before asking any questions, it will keep me happy

When posting problem reports, include:
-Operating system
-iPod/iPhone model and firmware version
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lav-chan on 2006-05-30 14:56:54
Seems to work for me so far. I have a 2G iPod i think (touch-sensitive wheel with the buttons encircling it, that's 2G, right?).

It loads the songs pretty fast. I don't understand the difference between the play lists 'iPod Media Library' (which contains 1522 tracks) and 'iPod (iPod)' (which only contains 652 tracks), though.

One feature you might consider... if you're taking them yet... is an option to read the tags as they come in, as opposed to just getting the information from the DB.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Crissaegrim on 2006-05-30 15:21:22
Sweet, man.  I hope you get this one going.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: unabatedshagie on 2006-05-30 15:28:18
I've got a 4G nano and it's seems to work fine with that. Only ever been used with itunes database.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-05-30 17:09:11
I have a 4G 20G iPod, with a foo_pod written 4.7 iTunes database file. All is working well here, so far. Both of the foo_dop generated playlists read exactly the same. Though, I know that I currently do not have any playlists loaded in the iPod.

I would also like to thank you for giving this plugin a whirl. We iPodders truly appreciate your efforts.


P.S. I enjoy your little word play of the plugin name. ;-)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-05-30 17:23:00
Thanks for tests so far.

It loads the songs pretty fast. I don't understand the difference between the play lists 'iPod Media Library' (which contains 1522 tracks) and 'iPod (iPod)' (which only contains 652 tracks), though.
The two different playlists just relates to the format of the database on the iPod. But I thought they would have the same contents to be honest.

Which one has all the music your iPod? And what files show up in the first but not the second?

One feature you might consider... if you're taking them yet... is an option to read the tags as they come in, as opposed to just getting the information from the DB.
I know what you mean I think it depends on a few factors what behaviour would be better. I personally don't really want to wait around ~4 mins for it to read all the metadata of my iPod, and the drive letter can probably be too volatile to add it to your media library (if you actually wanted to) so it won't necessarily be a one-time activity. Also far less important but it will probably suck up battery if you're running it of 4-pin firewire.

Maybe I can add an option for it later, but for now you can simply select all the files in the library playlist and right click / tagging / reload info [if changed]. But take a look at the metadata it read first and check its roughly OK.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Northpole on 2006-05-30 17:41:07
Tried your plugin on a 20GB ipod and works good!

Hope this is the start of something good.  I don't like iTunes and foo_pod appears to be dead.  Thanks for your efforts so far.

BTW, the iTunes DB was created by foo_pod and I have iTunes v4.7 installed.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lav-chan on 2006-05-30 18:01:17
The two different playlists just relates to the format of the database on the iPod. But I thought they would have the same contents to be honest.

Which one has all the music your iPod? And what files show up in the first but not the second?

Um. Well iTunes says that i have 1522 songs on there, so clearly 'iPod Media Library' is the one with all the tracks.

I can't really figure out a pattern to what's missing from the 'iPod (iPod)' list. 'The Saga Begins' by "Weird Al" Yankovic (which is a random single track, albumless) is missing, and a few other random singles are missing, but there are also some full albums (Belle and Sebastian EPs) missing as well. A Billy Joel album is missing, so is a Camera Obscura one. As far as i can tell it doesn't seem to be doing this based on play-list contents (some tracks are on smart play lists, some aren't) or on play count (some i've played before, some i haven't).

I dunno, i don't get it. I want to help though, so if there's anything i can do to help you solve this just tell me.


Also i found what may be a problem: If i'm typing in Opera here, and then i switch back to foobar by clicking an arbitrary item in the play list, it locks up foobar (and the trackinfo and albumart panels don't redraw) for like 2 or 3 seconds. Navigating the play list also sometimes locks up foobar for a second. Is this just a limitation of loading songs from FireWire or something?

I know what you mean I think it depends on a few factors what behaviour would be better. I personally don't really want to wait around ~4 mins for it to read all the metadata of my iPod, and the drive letter can probably be too volatile to add it to your media library (if you actually wanted to) so it won't necessarily be a one-time activity. Also far less important but it will probably suck up battery if you're running it of 4-pin firewire.

Maybe I can add an option for it later, but for now you can simply select all the files in the library playlist and right click / tagging / reload info [if changed]. But take a look at the metadata it read first and check its roughly OK.

Yeah, it's not really a big deal. In this case i was just a little disoriented when all these tracks started showing up randomly in my play list (because my sort string depends on %album artist% and %disc% and all this other stuff that iTunesDB doesn't carry over).


edit:
Oh, and you said in the first post that only normal play lists will be loaded. I have six smart play lists and one normal play list. All of them, including the normal one, are empty.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-05-30 18:27:10
Um. Well iTunes says that i have 1522 songs on there, so clearly 'iPod Media Library' is the one with all the tracks.

I can't really figure out a pattern to what's missing from the 'iPod (iPod)' list. 'The Saga Begins' by "Weird Al" Yankovic (which is a random single track, albumless) is missing, and a few other random singles are missing, but there are also some full albums (Belle and Sebastian EPs) missing as well. A Billy Joel album is missing, so is a Camera Obscura one. As far as i can tell it doesn't seem to be doing this based on play-list contents (some tracks are on smart play lists, some aren't) or on play count (some i've played before, some i haven't).

I dunno, i don't get it. I want to help though, so if there's anything i can do to help you solve this just tell me.

OK thanks for looking into it. Maybe you can upload your iTunesDB (from the /iPod_Control/iTunes on your iPod) (or email it to me, musicmusic [at] morbo [dot] org, if you prefer) and I'll take a look at it. What wrote it BTW?

Also i found what may be a problem: If i'm typing in Opera here, and then i switch back to foobar by clicking an arbitrary item in the play list, it locks up foobar (and the trackinfo and albumart panels don't redraw) for like 2 or 3 seconds. Navigating the play list also sometimes locks up foobar for a second. Is this just a limitation of loading songs from FireWire or something?

It seems to be caused by foo_uie_albumart looking for albumart.

Yeah, it's not really a big deal. In this case i was just a little disoriented when all these tracks started showing up randomly in my play list (because my sort string depends on %album artist% and %disc% and all this other stuff that iTunesDB doesn't carry over).
The disc number field is stored in the iTunesDB. Just whatever wrote it didn't put it in there I guess. It also does store a "compilation flag" but I'm not sure what field I could map that too..


edit:
Oh, and you said in the first post that only normal play lists will be loaded. I have six smart play lists and one normal play list. All of them, including the normal one, are empty.

I would expect the smart ones to show up empty. But not the normal one, I'll take a look at it if you upload your iTunesDB.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lav-chan on 2006-05-30 18:53:11
OK thanks for looking into it. Maybe you can upload your iTunesDB (from the /iPod_Control/iTunes on your iPod) (or email it to me, musicmusic [at] morbo [dot] org, if you prefer) and I'll take a look at it. What wrote it BTW?

Just iTunes (the newest one).


lol. Compressed to 4% of original size. I used your favourite.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...C84AE7731DC4F63 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=FC84AE7731DC4F63)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-05-30 19:25:39
Your not going to like this.. it seemed to load fine here, both library playlists had 1522 tracks and all of the rest non-empty.

I think I have an idea what the problem is though, I'll have a version for you to test later.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lav-chan on 2006-05-30 19:26:56
lol. Okey-dokey.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: upNorth on 2006-05-30 20:02:08
foo_dop v0.1 works like a charm with my fifth-gen iPod Video (60GB)
It even loads my Smart- and On-The-Go playlists correctly.

Both "iPod Media Library" and "My iPod (iPod)" contains the same number of files.
DB written by iTunes 6.0.0.18

Keep ut the good work! This initiative is very much appreciated.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-05-30 21:00:31
lol. Okey-dokey.

Can you try both 0.1.1 above and this test version (http://music.morbo.org/download/unstable/foo_dop-TEST.7z) and tell me which (if either) work. Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lav-chan on 2006-05-30 21:09:05
Mmm... they both do. The two lists mentioned earlier now have the same file count, and all the play lists from the iPod are loaded properly.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-05-30 21:20:12
I can also verify that both 0.1.1 and the Test version are working properly. Quite a bit quicker too.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dearly on 2006-05-30 21:35:47
Hi.  Posting to state that 0.1.1 loads correctly the ipod library as well as all smart playlists and all regular playlists (except playlists saved on-the-go).  Mine is a 4g with greyscale screen and its iTunesDB was created with Winamp's ml_ipod 1.32.  It was very quick to load as well.

Thanks musicmusic for making foo_dop.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-05-30 22:19:52
Thanks for the additional tests people.

Mmm... they both do. The two lists mentioned earlier now have the same file count, and all the play lists from the iPod are loaded properly.
Strange  In that case, please delete the test version. Thanks for testing.

Quite a bit quicker too.
I made a little optimisation in that respect  Scanning for the drive is the slow part now
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: clunesy on 2006-06-01 23:03:49
Good work, and good luck. You'll soon make foo_pod look like a toy.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sandman2012 on 2006-06-02 04:56:44
musicmusic: I've got an iPod Mini. As soon as I get some stuff set up, I'm going to try out foo_dop and give some feedback. I'm very excited about this project and would be happy to lend some assistance in terms of testing functionality and such.

Cheers.




edit: works like a charm. Loads the playlists and library. Counts for the library are correct. All my playlists show, and also one that's just named after the iPod itself (I'm guessing that's the "On the go" playlist inherent to the iPod).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: david_dl on 2006-06-02 06:50:19
Whoa, works perfectly, and its fast as well. Using a 4G iPod, latest firmware, latest iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: magnusak on 2006-06-02 08:38:26
Works nice with iPod 5G 30GB (firmware v1.1.1) and iTunes 6.0.4.2.

I really look forward to using this for writing to my iPod (with Replay Gain conversion).

Cheers,
Magnus
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bl@ck_warrior on 2006-06-02 09:35:04
Working perfectly with iPod 3G 20GB with the DB written by foo_pod.
Keep the good work
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-02 19:27:06
0.1.5 released with "Rewrite iPod database" feature. Details above, but its only really for testing  Once you've tested it, you may wish to restore the backup database.

If you decide to test it, please let me know how well it worked for you, and what iPod you have also
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Apo on 2006-06-02 21:00:35
4G, 20gb, tested the rewrite feature. Didn't break anything :)
Can you add a feature so I can specify what tags it writes? It would be great if I could make it write "%album% CD%disc%" in the album tags :)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-06-03 00:38:01
Hi musicmusic,

The rewrite on my 4G 20gb was perfect. All looked and played as it should. I already had a 4.7 version DB created from foo_pod, so I really did not expect to have any issues there. It's great to see that you are making some serious progress with foo_dop. Also, I'll take a slow drive scan over a slow DB read anyday. 

Thanks again!

4G, 20gb, tested the rewrite feature. Didn't break anything
Can you add a feature so I can specify what tags it writes? It would be great if I could make it write "%album% CD%disc%" in the album tags

Neither foo_dop, foo_pod nor iTunes for that matter, writes tags to an iPod. Rather, it writes a database file that accesses the music played on the iPod. Any tagging program will do what you are asking, and even foobar2000 itself.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: elishnevsky on 2006-06-03 03:19:54
Tried with my iPod Nano 2GB. So far so good. Actually, it's perfect!  I'm not even going to bother with restoring the backup database. What's the point?
Keep it up, musicmusic!!! We all are counting on you
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sandman2012 on 2006-06-03 06:39:11
musicmusic, between this and columns ui I've decided if you were a chick I'd have the hots for you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Apo on 2006-06-03 16:46:14
Neither foo_dop, foo_pod nor iTunes for that matter, writes tags to an iPod. Rather, it writes a database file that accesses the music played on the iPod. Any tagging program will do what you are asking, and even foobar2000 itself.


I know, I just wanted to express that I'd like to be able to change what foo_dop writes to that database.
Sorry if I put it wrong. ^^;
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-03 20:05:20
Thanks for the tests and feedback people

Can you add a feature so I can specify what tags it writes? It would be great if I could make it write "%album% CD%disc%" in the album tags

Its possible I guess. For the moment I would like to get some other basic functionality implemented before I do anything like this
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bl@ck_warrior on 2006-06-03 20:21:11
One thing that will be great is to have the possibility to send file to ipod as a file-tree customizable (%artist%/%album%/%tracknumer%-%title%) for example.

And then to create the itunes DB, so that it could work both with rockbox (with the filetree) and with the apple firware (with the itunes DB).
It will also have the possibility to see your files on the ipod and copy them back easily on any computer, instead of having the itunes architecture (h:/ipod_control/FC05/mdfj.m4a) wich sucks .

I know it's not for today but i think it will great and i know it's possible
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Apo on 2006-06-03 21:33:37
One thing that will be great is to have the possibility to send file to ipod as a file-tree customizable (%artist%/%album%/%tracknumer%-%title% for example) and then to create the itunes DB, so that it could work both with rockbox (with the filetree) and with the apple firware (with the itunes DB).
It will also have the possibility to see your files on the ipod easily on any computer instead of the itunes  architecture (h:/ipod_control/FC05/mdfjkd.m4a) wich sucks .

I know it's not for today but i think it will great and i know it's possible


I think that's not possible, because the iPod firmware supports (AFAIK) only 4-letter-filenames (which is a pain when trying to copy your music back to your PC...)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bl@ck_warrior on 2006-06-03 21:53:38
Actually the firmware just use the itunes DB to find the music and if there are only 4letters filenames i think it's the apple protection so that you can't copy back your music easily.

I'm almost sure we can do that and that would be great

Quote
iTunes stores your music in the iPod_Control/Music folder on your iPod. You need to enable the "View all files" option to show this folder in the file browser.

However, iTunes obfuscates the filenames of your music by giving them names such as DLER.m4a in folders with names like F03. The folders do not match albums - the tracks are placed randomly in the different directory. The album/artist/title information is stored in a database file called itunesdb on your iPod. Rockbox currently does not read the information from this file.
[...]
Another solution to this problem was suggested by a user (Alan) in a discussion thread on the Rockbox iPod forum:

"I have a solution to this, you will need Foobar2000 v0.83 and the foo_pod plugin.

  1. Copy all your files to the iPod using whatever directory structure you want.
  2. Connect your iPod to the computer.
  3. Load up Foobar2000, and select Components>foo_pod>Maintenance>Rebuild iTunesDB Database on iPod.
  4. Foo_pod will then rebuild the iPod database with all your music files, but obviously only those that are recognised by the normal firmware of the iPod (AAC, MP3, ALAC etc).
  5. You're done! One set of files accessible both by Rockbox and the normal iPod firmware.
  6. Kiss me, I rule."

Note that foo_pod doesn't automatically create the necessary /iPodControl/iTunes directory, so if you've started from a clean iPod, you may need to create this directory by hand first yourself. Also note foo_pod has not been ported to foobar v0.9 and according to the foobar2000 forums, foo_pod development may be dead.


So if foo_dop could in the future send files to Ipod like the "move, rename or copy files", and then create the iTunesDB, we could have a tidy and convenient iPod working on the official firmware as well as on Rockbox firmware
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: david_dl on 2006-06-03 22:31:35
However that procedure has been proven to not work on iPods with recent firmware. It doesn't work on my 4G iPod, the tracks appear in the iPod database but when played it continually skips to the next track without playing anything.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-06-04 00:05:53
However that procedure has been proven to not work on iPods with recent firmware. It doesn't work on my 4G iPod, the tracks appear in the iPod database but when played it continually skips to the next track without playing anything.

It works for me with the latest firmware, but I also use 4.7 version DB generated from foo_pod, and that is the reason that it works for me.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: richard123 on 2006-06-04 01:40:57
However that procedure has been proven to not work on iPods with recent firmware. It doesn't work on my 4G iPod, the tracks appear in the iPod database but when played it continually skips to the next track without playing anything.
Where was this proven?  More information, please
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sandman2012 on 2006-06-04 02:02:28
I think that's not possible, because the iPod firmware supports (AFAIK) only 4-letter-filenames (which is a pain when trying to copy your music back to your PC...)

Yamipod is a nice freeware app for Windows, Mac and Linux that will copy music from your iPod to a hard drive with titles and metadata intact. It does a lot more as well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: saratoga on 2006-06-04 05:09:44
I think the file name limit on the ipod's database is more like 20 characters.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: singaiya on 2006-06-04 16:11:42
I have a couple of questions:

1. How do you add new music to the ipod with this? With "Load library & playlists" it did exactly that. I tried dropping new files in the "iPod media library" and then doing "Rewrite Ipod database". It seemed to reload all the music on it since it took a long time, but the new files I dropped never made it to the ipod.

2. Is there a way to put videos on with foo_dop?

Thanks so much for foo_dop. I'd love to come back from itunes!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bl@ck_warrior on 2006-06-04 16:38:30
1) 2) You can't for the moment
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-06-04 16:48:58
I have a couple of questions:

1. How do you add new music to the ipod with this? With "Load library & playlists" it did exactly that. I tried dropping new files in the "iPod media library" and then doing "Rewrite Ipod database". It seemed to reload all the music on it since it took a long time, but the new files I dropped never made it to the ipod.

2. Is there a way to put videos on with foo_dop?

Thanks so much for foo_dop. I'd love to come back from itunes!

This plugin is currently only being tested. It does not have full functionality at the moment. It currently only reads and rewrites the database for music already on the iPod. Feel free to join us in that testing. The author, "musicmusic" will keep you/us informed of improvements in functionality as the plugin progresses to maturity.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: singaiya on 2006-06-04 16:53:00
Thanks for the answers. Yes, it reads and rewrites the database perfectly on my 5g. I did notice that the video menu on the ipod was populated with the song list, just fyi.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-05 00:47:10
Regarding songs in custom locations: it seems to work on my iPod fine, actually. AFAIK the limit on the path is 56 characters excluding drive letter and colon.

2. Is there a way to put videos on with foo_dop?
At the end of the day, foobar2000 is an audio player. So I wouldn't expect that feature

Thanks for the answers. Yes, it reads and rewrites the database perfectly on my 5g. I did notice that the video menu on the ipod was populated with the song list, just fyi.

Thanks for testing on your 5G. Yes I expected it wouldn't work great on a 5G currently. I'll fix that in a few versions time when I switch to writing a later version of the database
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: prawns on 2006-06-05 09:51:41
At the end of the day, foobar2000 is an audio player. So I wouldn't expect that feature
I'm thinking about getting an iPod, so correct me if I'm wrong but does the iPod sort videos in a similar way to audio. For instance, your video file is placed on the iPod and then the way that the firmware recognises it, is by using iTunesDB file? If this is true, would it be possible to add some function to just write something in the iTunesDB to point to the file. E.G. you place the file on the iPod yourself then use foo_dop to tell the iPod it's location. Obviously it's a feature for down the road (if of course you want to implement it ) but at least that would mean I could do all my updating through foobar2000.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Crissaegrim on 2006-06-08 05:37:35
Wow.. it's finally taking shape.  Thank you~ :3  Now, what about transcoding?  Coz I only have lossless on my foobar. T_T
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kode54 on 2006-06-08 08:19:12
And to make it increasingly ridiculous, while still remaining useful:
I told you it would get ridiculous.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-08 17:30:21
I'm thinking about getting an iPod, so correct me if I'm wrong but does the iPod sort videos in a similar way to audio.
I don't own a 5G iPod. But from I have seen, I would say it does.

If this is true, would it be possible to add some function to just write something in the iTunesDB to point to the file. E.G. you place the file on the iPod yourself then use foo_dop to tell the iPod it's location.

Problem is, you really need more than just the path to put them in the database properly. I need to identify videos from songs, as well as fill the database with the standard metadata and categorise them (TV Show, Music Video, ..). So true I don't really need foobar2000 to be able to play videos, but at least recognise them (as video files).

Wow.. it's finally taking shape.  Thank you~ :3  Now, what about transcoding?  Coz I only have lossless on my foobar. T_T
I think there's a little while yet before I think about things like that

And to make it increasingly ridiculous, while still remaining useful:
  • Use the existing converter, with custom default presets for only supported formats.
I thought I read someone complaining about no converter API ?
  • No tagging for the converted files, since all the information will be transferred from the original files to the iPod's database.
Still, if you want to rebuild the database, play files of the iPod on your computer, or something.
  • Cache up to N files or N megabytes worth of transcoded files in a configurable directory. Files will be named according to a hash of the original file's name and/or tags, size, and last modification timestamp, something that can be quickly generated. Any time a transcode already exists, its modification time will be retouched to the current time, as transcodes can be deleted after a configurable number of days, and when a new file exceeds the cache size maximum, the oldest file will be deleted.
    I told you it would get ridiculous.

AFAIK what foo_pod did was name the file on the iPod by some hash of the original file. I don't know though; if you re tag your files, you don't exactly want to convert them again, but Im not sure if there is actually anything practical I could do about that..

Personally I just keep transcoded copies of whatever on my hard drive, less hassle I thought but you have redundancy / consistency issues..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: prawns on 2006-06-08 19:15:56
Ah ok then  I don't suppose I'd use the video function that much anyway. Now for another matter... is it worth £200..? (rhetorical)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Crissaegrim on 2006-06-08 19:53:56
Ah ok then  I don't suppose I'd use the video function that much anyway. Now for another matter... is it worth £200..? (rhetorical)
Depends...  You're just paying a lot of it for the design.  There's no question that it's stylish.  It's designed very well.  The controls are intuitive.  But if you don't care about style, you can get the same function for much less.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-08 23:09:41
0.1.7 released  Details above.

For the moment, I wouldn't recommend 5G users use it at all until I add iTunes 4.9 database reading/writing. For everyone else its still entirely experimental, and expect the worst
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: emei on 2006-06-09 00:14:32
wow, this was so much faster then itunes. thanks so much, i hated using itunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: falconfox on 2006-06-09 00:39:41
I am excited about this plugin. I didn't know where to turn to after foo_pod died. Anapod just didn't do it for me. and itunes was out of the question. I tried rockbox firmware for a while. Rockbox still has a long way to go. High quality songs (320kbs) skipped. Hopefully foo_dop will do the trick.

Edit: It will be interesting to see how quickly this plugin is developed. I know this plugin is *brand* new, but file conversion would be nice, as well as custom tags.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BlindSeer on 2006-06-09 01:32:43
0.1.7 is running beautifully on my trusty old 2G. Only issue is that Mount and Unmount both give me a "Class not registered" error, but the component is perfectly functional without those commands. Thank you thank you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sandman2012 on 2006-06-09 02:26:03
Just tried 1.7 on my ipod Mini. Successfully wrote songs from several playlists to the 'pod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-06-09 03:07:42
Hi musicmusic,

I am having problems with songs skipping that were sent over to the iPod with version 1.7. I sent 25 songs over (12 trk album m4a, 12 trk album m4a, 1 single mp3) and all of the tracks transferred over ok. The database file had all the tracks listed properly. So far, so good. From within foobar all the songs played properly within the playlist. When I disconnected the iPod from foo_dop and foobar and accessed the songs directly from the iPod, all of the tracks listed out on the screen properly, but certain tracks skipped. The single track was sent by itself and it skipped. The 2 albums were sent in one transfer. Track 2 and then tracks 9-11 from the 1st album skipped, the rest were OK. The 2nd album only track 7 skipped. I tried a few variations of deleting & resending, but still had the skipped tracks problem. Finally, I used foo_pod (I still have fb2k 0.8.3 on my system) to send the same tracks over to the iPod. All tracks listed out on the iPod screen correctly and played as expected. Let me know if you need further information.

Edit: Skipped track- It showed the "Title", "Album" & "Artist" on the iPod screen for a second or 2, but then it skipped through to the next playable track. So, for example, with tracks 9-11, each track showed on the screen in sequence, but a track did not play until it reached track 12.

Edit 2: Changing File name length fixed the skip with the "Single" mp3 track. The filename was 32 characters including (.mp3) the extension. So, filenames can only be 31 characters max. (27 name, 4 extension, including the dot).

Edit 3: After counting the characters of my other skipped files, they were all over the 31 character limit. Tomorrow morning I will shorten the names to 31 characters and resend, to test if they will play.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: elishnevsky on 2006-06-09 03:13:24
Not bat at all for an alpha version  Here's one thing. Sorry, I'm dumb  I wrote more before, but updated the post after reading the notes on the new help page.

Before trying foo_dop I've decided to use iPod Updater to completely erase everything and restore default settings. After doing so I tried to mount iPod using "Mount iPod" menu item but kept receiving an error saying "No iPod found". So I had to use some other software to load some music files to my iPod so that it would first create the neccessary folder structure, I believe. After that I could use the foo_dop plugin.

Using iPod Nano 2GB, Software Version: 1.1.1

Regards.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-09 09:59:09
0.1.7 is running beautifully on my trusty old 2G. Only issue is that Mount and Unmount both give me a "Class not registered" error, but the component is perfectly functional without those commands. Thank you thank you.
Hi, its kind of hinted at in the wiki page  You need the iPod Updater installled, there's a link on the wiki page too. I will make it a more friendly error later.

Hi musicmusic,

I am having problems with songs skipping that were sent over to the iPod with version 1.7. I sent 25 songs over (12 trk album m4a, 12 trk album m4a, 1 single mp3) and all of the tracks transferred over ok. The database file had all the tracks listed properly. So far, so good. From within foobar all the songs played properly within the playlist. When I disconnected the iPod from foo_dop and foobar and accessed the songs directly from the iPod, all of the tracks listed out on the screen properly, but certain tracks skipped. The single track was sent by itself and it skipped. The 2 albums were sent in one transfer. Track 2 and then tracks 9-11 from the 1st album skipped, the rest were OK. The 2nd album only track 7 skipped. I tried a few variations of deleting & resending, but still had the skipped tracks problem. Finally, I used foo_pod (I still have fb2k 0.8.3 on my system) to send the same tracks over to the iPod. All tracks listed out on the iPod screen correctly and played as expected. Let me know if you need further information.

Edit: Skipped track- It showed the "Title", "Album" & "Artist" on the iPod screen for a second or 2, but then it skipped through to the next playable track. So, for example, with tracks 9-11, each track showed on the screen in sequence, but a track did not play until it reached track 12.

Edit 2: Changing File name length fixed the skip with the "Single" mp3 track. The filename was 32 characters including (.mp3) the extension. So, filenames can only be 31 characters max. (27 name, 4 extension, including the dot).

Edit 3: After counting the characters of my other skipped files, they were all over the 31 character limit. Tomorrow morning I will shorten the names to 31 characters and resend, to test if they will play.

You're correct, I was truncating 1 char less than I should have been. I fixed it in 0.1.8. Please test


Not bat at all for an alpha version  Here's one thing. Sorry, I'm dumb  I wrote more before, but updated the post after reading the notes on the new help page.

Before trying foo_dop I've decided to use iPod Updater to completely erase everything and restore default settings. After doing so I tried to mount iPod using "Mount iPod" menu item but kept receiving an error saying "No iPod found". So I had to use some other software to load some music files to my iPod so that it would first create the neccessary folder structure, I believe. After that I could use the foo_dop plugin.

Using iPod Nano 2GB, Software Version: 1.1.1

Regards.

Yes, known/intended for now. The component tries to find an iPod currently just by looking for the iTunesDB file.

I wanted to know really what state the iPod is after reseting it with the Updater.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Scidd0w on 2006-06-09 10:12:39
I am having problems with songs skipping that were sent over to the iPod with version 1.7. I sent 25 songs over (12 trk album m4a, 12 trk album m4a, 1 single mp3) and all of the tracks transferred over ok.
.....
When I disconnected the iPod from foo_dop and foobar and accessed the songs directly from the iPod, all of the tracks listed out on the screen properly, but certain tracks skipped. The single track was sent by itself and it skipped. The 2 albums were sent in one transfer. Track 2 and then tracks 9-11 from the 1st album skipped, the rest were OK. The 2nd album only track 7 skipped. .......


I havn't tested foo_dop yet because I own a 5g ipod. But I know I had the same problem once in a while with foo_pod. It also skipped alot of files that apparently had to long filenames.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-06-09 15:06:19
Hi musicmusic,

I can't get foobar to even start up (instant crash) with foo_dop 0.1.9 installed.

Edit: I tried again. This time a warning popped up that the crash was with foo_pqview.dll. Upon removing it, foobar opened as normal with foo_dop 0.1.9 installed.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-09 15:27:05
Im not doing anything special at startup so I wouldn't imagine foo_dop should cause a crash there. Still I would look at any crashlog you have.

BTW I uploaded 0.2.0 to fix some bug in 0.1.9.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-06-09 15:45:35
Im not doing anything special at startup so I wouldn't imagine foo_dop should cause a crash there. Still I would look at any crashlog you have.

BTW I uploaded 0.2.0 to fix some bug in 0.1.9.

Versions 0.1.9 and 0.2.0 is still truncating filename length at 32 characters instead of 31. Other than that it is working great.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-09 16:23:28

Im not doing anything special at startup so I wouldn't imagine foo_dop should cause a crash there. Still I would look at any crashlog you have.

BTW I uploaded 0.2.0 to fix some bug in 0.1.9.

Versions 0.1.9 and 0.2.0 is still truncating filename length at 32 characters instead of 31. Other than that it is working great.

It was truncating to 33 characters before (which was wrong), I changed that to 32 which I thought was correct and does work on my iPod.

I changed it to 31 in 0.2.1 since you say 32 doesn't work, please try that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-06-09 16:37:36


Im not doing anything special at startup so I wouldn't imagine foo_dop should cause a crash there. Still I would look at any crashlog you have.

BTW I uploaded 0.2.0 to fix some bug in 0.1.9.

Versions 0.1.9 and 0.2.0 is still truncating filename length at 32 characters instead of 31. Other than that it is working great.

It was truncating to 33 characters before (which was wrong), I changed that to 32 which I thought was correct and does work on my iPod.

I changed it to 31 in 0.2.1 since you say 32 doesn't work, please try that.

The change to 31 in 0.2.1 did the trick. Thank you! :-) Everything is working & playing as expected. If I can find the windows crash report regarding foo_pqview.dll I will send it to you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-06-09 17:37:40
Im not doing anything special at startup so I wouldn't imagine foo_dop should cause a crash there. Still I would look at any crashlog you have.

BTW I uploaded 0.2.0 to fix some bug in 0.1.9.

This seems to be a three way issue between foo_pqview, foo_browser and foo_dop. Any combination of two works fine, but add the third and foobar won't even startup. So, it is not just a foo_dop problem.

P.S. I can't find where Windows places that crash report. Now, I can't even reproduce the crash window. A click on the foobar icon just does nothing.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-09 18:40:01
Sounds like its component load order related / race condition.

If it was a foobar2000 crashlog, it will be in %appdata%\foobar2000 if you enabled per-user settings, otherwise the foobar2000 program files directory.

If for some reason it was intercepted by Windows (Dr Watson), it would usually be logged in a log file in some hidden directory, usually "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Dr Watson" (But you can check by running drwtsn32.exe). (I think it doesn't log it if its not the default debugger though.)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: toology on 2006-06-09 19:41:57
Is the newer iTunes database format known to you and, if so, will you utilise it in future?
I ask because I have a iPod Nano 10gb and would really like to use this plugin!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rectangle on 2006-06-10 02:23:48
Your wiki states:
Quote
It only supports iPods that use iTunesDB (not iPod Shuffle..)

but it works fine with my shuffle  Thanks, musicmusic!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-06-10 19:12:27
Sounds like its component load order related / race condition.

If it was a foobar2000 crashlog, it will be in %appdata%\foobar2000 if you enabled per-user settings, otherwise the foobar2000 program files directory.

If for some reason it was intercepted by Windows (Dr Watson), it would usually be logged in a log file in some hidden directory, usually "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Dr Watson" (But you can check by running drwtsn32.exe). (I think it doesn't log it if its not the default debugger though.)

Hi musicmusic,

The problem occurred on my work computer. At home, I have the same three plugins, and same versions running, and there are no problems whatsoever. So, it must be something particular to my work PC.

Last night, I deleted and sent over 350 files with version 0.2.1 and it worked flawlessly. Thank you very much for taking the time to create this plugin.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-10 20:02:50
Is the newer iTunes database format known to you and, if so, will you utilise it in future?
Well, yes and no to the first question. And yes to the second, Im adding support for it to the next version.

I ask because I have a iPod Nano 10gb and would really like to use this plugin!
10GB iPod nanos? Since when

Your wiki states:
Quote
It only supports iPods that use iTunesDB (not iPod Shuffle..)

but it works fine with my shuffle  Thanks, musicmusic!
Well, I will be truthful I don't have a clue. I thought it uses some other database format, iTunesSD. But well glad it works for you

Hi musicmusic,

The problem occurred on my work computer. At home, I have the same three plugins, and same versions running, and there are no problems whatsoever. So, it must be something particular to my work PC.
I think if it happened with any two of those three components loaded, it could be that the problem is actually in another component.

Last night, I deleted and sent over 350 files with version 0.2.1 and it worked flawlessly. Thank you very much for taking the time to create this plugin.
Your welcome
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Demonanya on 2006-06-10 22:09:58
I'm quite interested in this plugin as the lack of foo_pod for version 0.9 has stopped me from upgrading from 0.8.3.  One thing I would like to know is with regards to album art.  All of my MP3's have embedded album art which is carried over to the iPod when I sync with ITunes but not when I use foo_pod.  Will foo_dop allow the usage of the embedded album art on my iPod or would I have to stick to using ITunes to do my transfers?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rectangle on 2006-06-10 22:30:10
Your wiki states:
Quote
It only supports iPods that use iTunesDB (not iPod Shuffle..)

but it works fine with my shuffle  Thanks, musicmusic!

Well sadly for me, your wiki is correct. It all works fine loading , deleting and playing files via foobar2000 but wont play via the headphones. All I get get green and yellow flashing lights -an error warning no doubt. Oh well, never mind. I should have checked this before I got over excited
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: david_dl on 2006-06-10 22:32:28
I'm quite interested in this plugin as the lack of foo_pod for version 0.9 has stopped me from upgrading from 0.8.3.  One thing I would like to know is with regards to album art.  All of my MP3's have embedded album art which is carried over to the iPod when I sync with ITunes but not when I use foo_pod.  Will foo_dop allow the usage of the embedded album art on my iPod or would I have to stick to using ITunes to do my transfers?


Foobar2000 can't read embedded art for the time being, so the answer is probably stick with iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ExUser on 2006-06-11 01:18:58
I'm having intermittent lock-ups while transferring songs to my iPod... not sure where the fault lies though. iTunes doesn't have this problem, nor does ephPod.

Also, having textual indicators of progress would be nice. Being able to see the filename of the song currently being transfered would help identify if there's progress still happening.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: toology on 2006-06-11 03:27:52
Sorry about the 10gb bit, must have stuck in my head from reading the previous posts. Anyway it's 4gb, and I'm absolutley thrilled you are going to support the newer db!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-11 10:24:51
I'm having intermittent lock-ups while transferring songs to my iPod... not sure where the fault lies though. iTunes doesn't have this problem, nor does ephPod.

Also, having textual indicators of progress would be nice. Being able to see the filename of the song currently being transfered would help identify if there's progress still happening.

Need more info.

1. Define lock-up.
2. At what stage does it lock-up.
3. Get me the call stack of the foo_dop thread using Process Explorer and the latest version of foo_dop. (in process explorer, right click foobar2000 / properties / threads and double click a thread to see the stack, foo_dop one will be one of the foobar2000 entries, if you can't work it out copy all of the foobar2000 ones)

Also, the progress indicator moves after after each file is transfered anyway.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ExUser on 2006-06-11 15:29:18
1. Lock-up as in it ceases to transfer files and the Abort button ceases to function (still depresses when clicked, but clicking does nothing).

2. It locks up while transferring files, like I said.  I select the files in foobar, right click, and select iPod->Send to iPod. I'm not certain what other info to give. The progress dialog reads "Sending files to iPod...".

3. Hopefully, the correct information is below.
Code: [Select]
ntoskrnl.exe!ExReleaseResourceLite+0x206
Fastfat.SYS+0x4bcb
Fastfat.SYS+0x156e4
Fastfat.SYS+0xcde2
Fastfat.SYS+0xb9a
sptd.sys+0x148a8
ntoskrnl.exe!IofCallDriver+0x32
ntdll.dll!KiFastSystemCallRet
kernel32.dll!CopyFileExW+0xc30
kernel32.dll!FreeResource+0x1943
kernel32.dll!CopyFileExW+0x39
foo_dop.dll+0x168c1
foobar2000.exe+0xd1901
foobar2000.exe+0x35592
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-11 17:02:15
Is that really the latest version of foo_dop?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Demonanya on 2006-06-11 18:10:18
Will foo_dop eventually support Unicode as the vast majority of my music is in Japanese text.  Just been having a play around with it as I decided to upgrade to foobar 0.9.2 today and so far, apart from it not moving my Japanese MP3's it's working great.  Just wish it could carry over the embedded artwork but can't have everything I suppose
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-11 23:07:22
Well, of course it supports Unicode, the behaviour you describe is a bug.

The iPod will only play the file if its path and filename consists of ASCII chars only. After converting the filename to ASCII it ended up with some ?s in place of characters that couldn't be mapped to anything else, and of course those are not allowed in the filename so the copy operation failed.

I fixed the bug for the next version.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Demonanya on 2006-06-11 23:25:16
Well, of course it supports Unicode, the behaviour you describe is a bug.

The iPod will only play the file if its path and filename consists of ASCII chars only. After converting the filename to ASCII it ended up with some ?s in place of characters that couldn't be mapped to anything else, and of course those are not allowed in the filename so the copy operation failed.

I fixed the bug for the next version.


Ah, didn't realise it was a bug, and looking forward to the next release as this component will mean bye bye to ITunes for me
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ExUser on 2006-06-12 00:01:34
Ack, apparently I was still using 1.7. I thought I remembered upgrading. Will test and get back to you.

Sorry for the mistake.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-13 01:30:19
0.2.2 TEST (http://music.morbo.org/download/unstable/foo_dop-0.2.2-TEST.7z) released. Super-experimental (more so than 0.2.1) and only for testing. It writes something more like an iTunes 4.9 database, somemore details in changelog.

BTW if anyone has a 5G (or otherwise), updated by iTunes, with any of the following:
  * TV Shows with episode number/season number set
  * Podcasts
  * Something with chapter data (Podcasts?)

I wouldn't mind looking at your iTunesDB
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: magnusak on 2006-06-13 10:32:11
I just tried rewriting my iPod 5G database (originally written with foo_pod, later maintained by iTunes latest version) using foo_dpo 0.2.2 TEST.

The good news:
- It worked.
- foo_dop did a better job than iTunes on some tags (tags from the latest foobar had a strange "blank" character at the end when uploaded with iTunes)
- Playcount and last played were preserved.
- Smart playlists were preserved.

The bad news:
- "Kind" is deleted from all files ("MPEG audio file" etc)
- Podcasts seemed to be converted into normal audio files.
- iTunes (for some strange reason) changed it's setting for maintaining podcasts to "Manual" instead of "Automatic"

Now, after that I tried syncing podcasts again with iTunes, and then adding some files with foo_dop. This worked perfectly with only one small problem: The podcast playlist (automatic itunes) is converted into a normal playlist and then when iTunes is started a new, smart one is created (resulting in two podcast playlist).

Anyway, I'm thrilled. I will start using foo_dop regularly to upload music to my iPod. If you want me to perform any more tests, tell me so here or on mail (i just sent you a mail with my iTunes DB).

Regards,
Magnus
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-13 11:11:04
I just tried rewriting my iPod 5G database (originally written with foo_pod, later maintained by iTunes latest version) using foo_dpo 0.2.2 TEST.

Thank you very much for testing it

The bad news:
- "Kind" is deleted from all files ("MPEG audio file" etc)
Actually that was kind of knowingly done - I didn't think the iPod displayed it anywhere. I fixed in 0.2.3 TEST. But it will write foobar2000 "codec" tech field + "file" for files sent using foo_dop.

- Podcasts seemed to be converted into normal audio files.
- iTunes (for some strange reason) changed it's setting for maintaining podcasts to "Manual" instead of "Automatic"

I fixed a bug in 0.2.3 TEST which was the probable cause the first; and maybe the latter was caused by the first too.

Anyway, I'm thrilled. I will start using foo_dop regularly to upload music to my iPod. If you want me to perform any more tests, tell me so here or on mail (i just sent you a mail with my iTunes DB).

Regards,
Magnus



Thanks for that and thanks for your detailed feedback

0.2.3 TEST (http://music.morbo.org/download/unstable/foo_dop-0.2.3-TEST.7z)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-06-13 15:12:39
i am beside myself with excitement over this- i've been waiting to ditch iTunes for a while.

musicmusic- the website says that the 5G (video) isn't supported- is this in reference to videos or for the DB structure as a whole- i'm assuming that note is in reference to an older version of foo_dop and/or videos- given  magnus' success...?

can i start to use this on my video ipod? (videos excluded)?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: elishnevsky on 2006-06-13 15:28:11
musicmusic, first of all thank you for the time you spend on writing this plugin! I have one question ony. I was wondering how soon do you think you can make it working for files with non-ASCII characters in their names. There's a lot of such files in my music library therefore I'm still forced to use this freaking iTunes. Thanks a lot.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2006-06-13 15:52:16
Thanks for your time, musicmusic.

I have an "old" 20Gb click-wheel iPod and I'm currently using foo_pod (no iTunes, thanks). I'd like to test your plug-in but, before I do, I have a couple of questions, if you don't mind.

1. 99% of the work I need to do with my iPod is synching: I have a single PL in foobar that is "replicated" on the iPod and when I change it in foobar (adding, updating or removing songs) I simply "sync" it with foo_pod. Is this feature already implemented or are you planning to develop it in the future?

2. As I use foo_pod, I have not upgraded the firmware to the latest release: will this be a problem with foo_dop?

I look forward to trying your new toy!

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-13 16:18:18
i am beside myself with excitement over this- i've been waiting to ditch iTunes for a while.

musicmusic- the website says that the 5G (video) isn't supported- is this in reference to videos or for the DB structure as a whole- i'm assuming that note is in reference to an older version of foo_dop and/or videos- given  magnus' success...?

can i start to use this on my video ipod? (videos excluded)?

The TEST version is the one that is aimed to work properly on a 5G. You can use it, if you're feeling brave. If there are no reported problems, it will replace the non-test-but-alpha version.

musicmusic, first of all thank you for the time you spend on writing this plugin! I have one question ony. I was wondering how soon do you think you can make it working for files with non-ASCII characters in their names. There's a lot of such files in my music library therefore I'm still forced to use this freaking iTunes. Thanks a lot.
The only bug I know of like that was fixed in the TEST version if you want to try that one.

Thanks for your time, musicmusic.

I have an "old" 20Gb click-wheel iPod and I'm currently using foo_pod (no iTunes, thanks). I'd like to test your plug-in but, before I do, I have a couple of questions, if you don't mind.

1. 99% of the work I need to do with my iPod is synching: I have a single PL in foobar that is "replicated" on the iPod and when I change it in foobar (adding, updating or removing songs) I simply "sync" it with foo_pod. Is this feature already implemented or are you planning to develop it in the future?

2. As I use foo_pod, I have not upgraded the firmware to the latest release: will this be a problem with foo_dop?

I look forward to trying your new toy!

Alessandro

1. Sync is my main target to implement  Its not implemented yet, but what I planned was sync with foobar2000's music library + selected playlists. I guess probably I could make the media library bit optional as well then.
2. It must be newer than the latest 3G firmware I think so I doubt it  But generally I think later firmware is prefered (out of interest, what problem does that create with foo_pod?)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-06-13 17:25:35
<quote>
1. Sync is my main target to implement  Its not implemented yet, but what I planned was sync with foobar2000's music library + selected playlists. I guess probably I could make the media library bit optional as well then.
</quote>


isn't this already there in the "load library and playlists" option?

i took two new albums and "send to iPod" and it worked perfectly. if this is the case for all transfers, what is the "rewrite ipod database for"? didn't it do that automatically?

i guess i'm confused as to what some options are for if they are done automatically?

sorry for the questions.


the transfer i did (5G with the 2.3 TEST) worked perfectly.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: magnusak on 2006-06-13 18:31:07

The bad news:
- "Kind" is deleted from all files ("MPEG audio file" etc)
Actually that was kind of knowingly done - I didn't think the iPod displayed it anywhere. I fixed in 0.2.3 TEST. But it will write foobar2000 "codec" tech field + "file" for files sent using foo_dop.
Excellent. This seems to work now. "Kind" is not shown on the iPod but it is shown in iTunes and can be used in smart playlists (I think). For this reason it might be advantage if you used the same kinds as iTunes...


- Podcasts seemed to be converted into normal audio files.
- iTunes (for some strange reason) changed it's setting for maintaining podcasts to "Manual" instead of "Automatic"

I fixed a bug in 0.2.3 TEST which was the probable cause the first; and maybe the latter was caused by the first too.
Video podcasts are still lost after a rebuild. The other podcasts work on the iPod, but when I syncronize with iTunes they are not recognized by iTunes as podcasts, and end up being re-copied to the iPod (duplicates).

The second problem mentioned above is no longer a problem.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-13 20:59:26
Excellent. This seems to work now. "Kind" is not shown on the iPod but it is shown in iTunes and can be used in smart playlists (I think). For this reason it might be advantage if you used the same kinds as iTunes...
I agree it would probably be more ideal. But the problem is I don't know all of the ones it uses
I know foo_pod seems to have used:
MP3: MPEG audio file
M4A (AAC): AAC audio file

I assume this is the same as iTunes? Also need to know what exactly is used for other types you might send through foobar (WAV, ALAC).

Video podcasts are still lost after a rebuild. The other podcasts work on the iPod, but when I syncronize with iTunes they are not recognized by iTunes as podcasts, and end up being re-copied to the iPod (duplicates).

The second problem mentioned above is no longer a problem.
Ok thanks for testing that.

Using your database, I found a couple more bugs relating to this so hopefully the next build will clear those issues up.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: elishnevsky on 2006-06-13 23:47:04

musicmusic, first of all thank you for the time you spend on writing this plugin! I have one question ony. I was wondering how soon do you think you can make it working for files with non-ASCII characters in their names. There's a lot of such files in my music library therefore I'm still forced to use this freaking iTunes. Thanks a lot.
The only bug I know of like that was fixed in the TEST version if you want to try that one.

Yes, it works just fine. Thank you!  One thing I noticed is that non-ASCII characters are replaced with underscores when copied to iPod. Is it intended?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-14 00:55:04
Yes, it works just fine. Thank you!  One thing I noticed is that non-ASCII characters are replaced with underscores when copied to iPod. Is it intended?
Yes  The iPod only plays ASCII filenames (at least 3G). So if a character in the original filename doesn't map to anything in the ASCII char set then you get that. I agree if that's all the characters its somewhat stupid. But either way you're going to have a useless filename.

0.2.4 TEST released (http://music.morbo.org/download/unstable/foo_dop-0.2.4-TEST.7z)
I hope it fixes Podcast problems. But probably just introduced new problems 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: saratoga on 2006-06-14 04:52:07
I was using 2.1, but it wouldn't transfer some files on my 3G (possiblely because they had an apostrophe).  I updated to 2.4 Test and everything seems to work great.

Thanks for the plugin.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: david_dl on 2006-06-14 06:11:17
Yes, it works just fine. Thank you!  One thing I noticed is that non-ASCII characters are replaced with underscores when copied to iPod. Is it intended?
Yes  The iPod only plays ASCII filenames (at least 3G). So if a character in the original filename doesn't map to anything in the ASCII char set then you get that. I agree if that's all the characters its somewhat stupid. But either way you're going to have a useless filename.

0.2.4 TEST released (http://music.morbo.org/download/unstable/foo_dop-0.2.4-TEST.7z)
I hope it fixes Podcast problems. But probably just introduced new problems 


I'm pretty sure my 4G supports non-ascii characters, at least the europeanish ones. It correctly displays all the weird characters in Sigur Rós track names.

Edit: the Mount and Unmount commands used to work fine (I have iPodService installed, and am using firewire,) but now i get:

IDispatch error #56938 Code: -7FFB1F96

Edit: Just tested 0.2.4 on my 4G, seems to work fine, however it messes up the sort order (it's now purely alphabetical, it used to ignore 'The'. Perhaps once this component matures we could configure a custom formatting string for use in sorting the Artist/Albums/Tracks?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-14 09:23:54
I'm pretty sure my 4G supports non-ascii characters, at least the europeanish ones. It correctly displays all the weird characters in Sigur Rós track names.
But that's not the filename, is it?  The metadata is usually fine. (In fact, stored in Unicode).

However, one character that my iPod refuses to display in the ARTIST list is ý. I wonder if they fixed that in later models.

Edit: the Mount and Unmount commands used to work fine (I have iPodService installed, and am using firewire,) but now i get:

IDispatch error #56938 Code: -7FFB1F96
I have seen it do that once too, it seems to be slightly temperamental (I didn't change anything from the previous versions). My guess is it has something to do with whether iTunes is running. I have no idea what the error code means right know, because the iPodService uses its own error codes. I'll see if I can work it all out..

Edit: Just tested 0.2.4 on my 4G, seems to work fine, however it messes up the sort order (it's now purely alphabetical, it used to ignore 'The'. Perhaps once this component matures we could configure a custom formatting string for use in sorting the Artist/Albums/Tracks?
Known, mentioned someplace on wiki.

The sort strings I am using are:
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            t_index_pattern library_indices[] = 
            {
                {library_index_types::title, "%title%"},
                {library_index_types::album_disc_tracknumber_title, "%album%|%discnumber%|$num(%tracknumber%,2)|%title%"},
                {library_index_types::artist_album_disc_tracknumber_title, "%artist%|%album%|%discnumber%|$num(%tracknumber%,2)|%title%"},
                {library_index_types::genre_artist_album_disc_tracknumber_title, "%genre%|%artist%|%album%|%discnumber%|$num(%tracknumber%,2)|%title%"},
                {library_index_types::composer_title, "%composer%|%title%"}
            };

If I make those strings user-configurable, there's some room for user error, since they have to follow a specific pattern. I guess putting it on the advanced prefs page would counter-act that  Alternatively I could make each of those fields configurable (TITLE, ALBUM, ..) which would also eliminate that.

The other alternative is not writing the 'sort tables' at all, which seems to give back the normal ordering, but that make browsing the library super-slow (on my 3G at least).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: david_dl on 2006-06-14 09:37:44
I'm pretty sure my 4G supports non-ascii characters, at least the europeanish ones. It correctly displays all the weird characters in Sigur Rós track names.
But that's not the filename, is it?  The metadata is usually fine. (In fact, stored in Unicode).

Sorry, mustn't have read the previous post properly 

If I make those strings user-configurable, there's some room for user error, since they have to follow a specific pattern. I guess putting it on the advanced prefs page would counter-act that  Alternatively I could make each of those fields configurable (TITLE, ALBUM, ..) which would also eliminate that.

The other alternative is not writing the 'sort tables' at all, which seems to give back the normal ordering, but that make browsing the library super-slow (on my 3G at least).


Advanced prefs page sounds like a good idea; at least then users can have a fiddle and restore the defaults if they break something.

Also, for the soundcheck values, is album or track gain used? Perhaps this could be user configurable, as well as a replaygain 'preamp' value for those with volume limited (european) iPods.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: magnusak on 2006-06-14 11:40:31
I know foo_pod seems to have used:
MP3: MPEG audio file
M4A (AAC): AAC audio file

I assume this is the same as iTunes? Also need to know what exactly is used for other types you might send through foobar (WAV, ALAC).

WAV: WAV audio file
MP3: MPEG audio file
ALAC: Apple Lossless audio file
AAC: AAC audio file

Note that both ALAC and AAC files created with iTunes use the file extension .m4a.

Now, if movies should be of any interest, I'll list those as well:
MOV: QuickTime movie file
MP4: MPEG-4 video file
(Irritating that they use both "movie" and "video", complicating smart playlists based on Kind).

Using your database, I found a couple more bugs relating to this so hopefully the next build will clear those issues up.

I did a new "Rewrite database" with 0.2.4 TEST, and it works very well. Podcasts are kept, both audio and video versions. The only oddity I experienced now was that a WAV file (the only one I had) lost all its tags and got the name "BWAB" after foo_dop wrote the database.

Keep up the good work, musicmusic! This is exciting.

Also, for the soundcheck values, is album or track gain used? Perhaps this could be user configurable, as well as a replaygain 'preamp' value for those with volume limited (european) iPods.

I really hope Album gain is preferred over track gain. Anyway, David, if you have a volume limited iPod, I really recommend you the program goPod, downloadable for free here (http://gopod.free-go.net/). It is dead simple to use and requires no installation (i.e. you can run it off your iPod). The only disadvantage is that you have to re-run the program every time you upgrade your firmware. That will set you back approximately 15 seconds every four months  .


Regards,
Magnus
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-14 11:40:54
I have seen it do that once too, it seems to be slightly temperamental (I didn't change anything from the previous versions). My guess is it has something to do with whether iTunes is running. I have no idea what the error code means right know, because the iPodService uses its own error codes. I'll see if I can work it all out..

My bad, I found the definition to the error codes. Yours is:
    kErriPodHandle = -2147164054,
Which indicates I had a bad "handle" to the iPod. Given the fact I obtain the handle the line before, something else is happening in between.

Did you do something like pull out the iPod before it finished unmounting? In fact that's the only time I ever saw an error so far, but I didn't note down the code.

Also, for the soundcheck values, is album or track gain used?
Awnser in wiki  (Album used if present otherwise track gain)

Perhaps this could be user configurable, as well as a replaygain 'preamp' value for those with volume limited (european) iPods.
I'll add the latter at some point, but not for that reason
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-14 11:51:47
I know foo_pod seems to have used:
MP3: MPEG audio file
M4A (AAC): AAC audio file

I assume this is the same as iTunes? Also need to know what exactly is used for other types you might send through foobar (WAV, ALAC).

WAV: WAV audio file
MP3: MPEG audio file
ALAC: Apple Lossless audio file
AAC: AAC audio file

Note that both ALAC and AAC files created with iTunes use the file extension .m4a.

Now, if movies should be of any interest, I'll list those as well:
MOV: QuickTime movie file
MP4: MPEG-4 video file
(Irritating that they use both "movie" and "video", complicating smart playlists based on Kind).

Excellent, thank you very much for that list

I did a new "Rewrite database" with 0.2.4 TEST, and it works very well. Podcasts are kept, both audio and video versions.
Phew  I was running out of ideas

The only oddity I experienced now was that a WAV file (the only one I had) lost all its tags and got the name "BWAB" after foo_dop wrote the database.
Idea of "rewrite database" is to rewrite database using tags as read by foobar2000. Of course, foobar2000 doesn't read any tags from WAV files, so foobar reports no metadata in the file. So the component puts the filename as the TITLE as you saw. In fact, using the filename like that is a bad idea if the file is on the iPod, it was intended for files on the computer, so I will change that.

I can add a special case for WAV files so it leaves existing metadata for such entries in the database untouched.

Keep up the good work, musicmusic! This is exciting.

Regards,
Magnus
Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2006-06-14 22:17:36
firstly this is a great plugin!

can you sent playlists to ipods via this plugin.  I tried sending them (right clicking on a playlist and selecting send to ipod) all the songs were transfered to my ipod but the playlist wasnt.

im using the 0.2.1 and a 4g ipod
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-06-14 22:26:07
to my knowlegde this feature is in the works.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2006-06-15 14:52:09
Thanks for your time, musicmusic.

I have an "old" 20Gb click-wheel iPod and I'm currently using foo_pod (no iTunes, thanks). I'd like to test your plug-in but, before I do, I have a couple of questions, if you don't mind.

1. 99% of the work I need to do with my iPod is synching: I have a single PL in foobar that is "replicated" on the iPod and when I change it in foobar (adding, updating or removing songs) I simply "sync" it with foo_pod. Is this feature already implemented or are you planning to develop it in the future?

2. As I use foo_pod, I have not upgraded the firmware to the latest release: will this be a problem with foo_dop?

I look forward to trying your new toy!

Alessandro

1. Sync is my main target to implement  Its not implemented yet, but what I planned was sync with foobar2000's music library + selected playlists. I guess probably I could make the media library bit optional as well then.
2. It must be newer than the latest 3G firmware I think so I doubt it  But generally I think later firmware is prefered (out of interest, what problem does that create with foo_pod?)
IIRC, there were some incompatibility issues between newer firmware versions and iTunesDB format (written by foo_pod). But don't quote me on that.

If synching the media library means "send everything from any foobar playlist" then I'd definitely like it to be optional.

Anyway, thanks for your attention.

Cheers.

Alessandro

[Edit]Does foo_dop require the iPod Service?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: toology on 2006-06-15 17:13:24
Yes, AFAIK it requiers iPod Service to be installed.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2006-06-16 08:41:33
Yes, AFAIK it requiers iPod Service to be installed.
Well, I hope musicmusic will find a way to remove this restriction.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: david_dl on 2006-06-16 09:01:10
Yes, AFAIK it requiers iPod Service to be installed.


No it doesn't. That's only for the mount/unmount commands.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-16 20:05:09
0.2.6 released, details in changelog (its mostly clean-up).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-06-18 07:01:09
this plugin is amazing

thank you so much musicmusic

two questions

i was looking at the "to do" list- i know that full syncronization is the ultimate goal- but what about being able to send specific playlists to the iPod?

can this write a DB from scratch or does it depend on the presence of an itunesDB already?

just curious

thanks for the GREAT work!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Scidd0w on 2006-06-18 11:46:07
Just want to say thank you for this great component musicmusic.
Been waiting for it after foo_pod died a bit..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TrNSZ on 2006-06-19 16:48:51
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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2006-06-19 17:56:22
First, thank you very much for this, great to have an iPod plugin for 0.9.

Have a 20gb 4g iPod with click wheel, noticed just a few bugs so far:

1. Tried the rebuild database function, it completed (foo_pod always crashed foobar when I tried doing that with it) and was mostly accurate.  One song ended up with missing tags (had been transcoded from ape to mp3 by foo_pod if I remember right) but no other songs were messed up.  My On The Go playlist became a regular one (same always happened with foo_pod) and the songs were messed up in it.  Previously had several albums of songs by 2 artists in it, after the rebuild had a few songs each by a dozen or two artists, mostly (or possibly completely, can't remember 100%) tracks added to the iPod at the same time as the tracks that were in that playlist before.

2. I have three smart playlists for stuff added in the last 1 day, 1 week, and 1 month.  Hadn't added anything to my iPod in a couple weeks so only the 1 month playlist had any content.  Transferred about a dozen albums to it on Saturday with 0.2.7, but not all as one batch, mostly groups of 1 or 2 albums at a time as I was browsing my recent stuff playlist in foo.  Once I finished I disconnected my ipod and found that only the last album that was transferred showed up in the 1 day and 1 week playlists.  1 month one had that same album plus the stuff loaded a couple weeks ago that was there before.  None of the other stuff transferred with foo_dop though.

If you want copies of my ipodDB before+after I can send later when I'm at home, but right now just have ipod and no cable.

On the good side though:
- Some Korean albums by 이정현 had previously had their tags messed up in the database by some problem between iTunes, Anapod, and foo_pod, the rebuild fixed that finally.
- Had no language problems at all.  The files that were already on there had tags in English, Spanish (accented characters and the upside down punctuation marks), Korean, Japanese, and Chinese.  All showed up fine after the rebuild.  One of the albums transferred was tagged in Thai (I use pubble's thai edition of the ipod firmware that adds thai display support on my ipod) and that has no problems either.

And for wishlist, I'll join others in hoping you can get around to adding transcoding, have a lot of ape or flac + cuesheet rips.  foo_pod never handled them very well and itunes doesn't at all.  It gets to be a pain to remember what's in what and transcode in advanced before transferring, especially since you have to rescan for replaygain.  Keeping dupes of it all pre-transcoded on hard drive is confusing, plus even more space per album...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Demonanya on 2006-06-19 18:13:30
I've noticed something very strange whilst listening to my iPod and wonder if anyone is seeing the same thing.  I updated to the latest version of foo_dop last night and repopulated my iPod (5G btw) so basically started from afresh.  On my journey to work this morning I was flicking through the various songs and for some reason, rather than playing a new song from the start it would begin playing it from where the last song left off i.e. I listened to a song until 1:50 and then skipped, the next song would start at 1:50 and not from the beginning.

Hope that makes sense as it beats the hell out of me why it's doing it  Apart from that everything else is working spot on and I'm loving it
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-19 18:48:50
[quote name='furious' post='404066' date='Jun 18 2006, 07:01']
this plugin is amazing

thank you so much musicmusic

two questions

i was looking at the "to do" list- i know that full syncronization is the ultimate goal- but what about being able to send specific playlists to the iPod?[/quote]I think I will add that. My only concern for playlist sending was the method of identifying which songs are already on the iPod (but files not identical) since you don't want to end up with duplicates if you've modified the files locally or something. But I think I will just go with metadata comparison for that (ARTIST, TITLE and ALBUM fields).

[quote name='furious' post='404066' date='Jun 18 2006, 07:01']
can this write a DB from scratch or does it depend on the presence of an itunesDB already?

just curious[/quote]Needs valid iTunesDB present currently.

[quote name='furious' post='404066' date='Jun 18 2006, 07:01']
thanks for the GREAT work!
[/quote]Thanks

[quote name='Scidd0w' post='404119' date='Jun 18 2006, 11:46']
Just want to say thank you for this great component musicmusic.
Been waiting for it after foo_pod died a bit..
[/quote]Your welcome

[quote name='TrNSZ' post='404493' date='Jun 19 2006, 16:48']
I just wanted to let you know that I used this to populate a new 5G iPod and it seems to work very well. 

Thanks.
[/quote]Thanks for testing




[quote name='djkc' post='404513' date='Jun 19 2006, 17:56']
First, thank you very much for this, great to have an iPod plugin for 0.9.

Have a 20gb 4g iPod with click wheel, noticed just a few bugs so far:

1. Tried the rebuild database function, it completed (foo_pod always crashed foobar when I tried doing that with it) and was mostly accurate.  One song ended up with missing tags (had been transcoded from ape to mp3 by foo_pod if I remember right) but no other songs were messed up.[/quote]That file probably had no tags. I guess foo_pod's author thought like kode54.

[quote name='djkc' post='404513' date='Jun 19 2006, 17:56']
My On The Go playlist became a regular one (same always happened with foo_pod)[/quote]Indeed, intended. I recall iTunes doing the same.

[quote name='djkc' post='404513' date='Jun 19 2006, 17:56']
and the songs were messed up in it.  Previously had several albums of songs by 2 artists in it, after the rebuild had a few songs each by a dozen or two artists, mostly (or possibly completely, can't remember 100%) tracks added to the iPod at the same time as the tracks that were in that playlist before.[/quote]Not too sure why they ended up with wrong tracks, unless you started using foo_dop before version 0.2.5. Is that the case?

[quote name='djkc' post='404513' date='Jun 19 2006, 17:56']
2. I have three smart playlists for stuff added in the last 1 day, 1 week, and 1 month.  Hadn't added anything to my iPod in a couple weeks so only the 1 month playlist had any content.  Transferred about a dozen albums to it on Saturday with 0.2.7, but not all as one batch, mostly groups of 1 or 2 albums at a time as I was browsing my recent stuff playlist in foo.  Once I finished I disconnected my ipod and found that only the last album that was transferred showed up in the 1 day and 1 week playlists.  1 month one had that same album plus the stuff loaded a couple weeks ago that was there before.  None of the other stuff transferred with foo_dop though.[/quote]Strange, not sure about that one. Well I have an idea, can you check where the last modified date/time is for those files you added locally on your computer? If it is that the album that showed up is in the last day/whatever and the others are before one month then it somewhat makes sense as to the cause.

[quote name='djkc' post='404513' date='Jun 19 2006, 17:56']
If you want copies of my ipodDB before+after I can send later when I'm at home, but right now just have ipod and no cable.[/quote]Yeah, I think I'd like to look at them, even if the answer to both questions above is yes. Thanks.

[quote name='djkc' post='404513' date='Jun 19 2006, 17:56']
And for wishlist, I'll join others in hoping you can get around to adding transcoding, have a lot of ape or flac + cuesheet rips.  foo_pod never handled them very well and itunes doesn't at all.  It gets to be a pain to remember what's in what and transcode in advanced before transferring, especially since you have to rescan for replaygain.  Keeping dupes of it all pre-transcoded on hard drive is confusing, plus even more space per album...
[/quote]Transcoding: No converter API as far as I have seen. Even then, its not too high on my priorities (it can be worked around, other things less so)
Chapters: Still haven't seen an example of proper chapter data in the iPod's database and so I don't know what the iPod does with it or even if its any use at all. If not I can look into some other solution to get it working.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-19 19:45:21
I've noticed something very strange whilst listening to my iPod and wonder if anyone is seeing the same thing.  I updated to the latest version of foo_dop last night and repopulated my iPod (5G btw) so basically started from afresh.  On my journey to work this morning I was flicking through the various songs and for some reason, rather than playing a new song from the start it would begin playing it from where the last song left off i.e. I listened to a song until 1:50 and then skipped, the next song would start at 1:50 and not from the beginning.

Hope that makes sense as it beats the hell out of me why it's doing it  Apart from that everything else is working spot on and I'm loving it


Hmm

I think maybe its related to the "Remember playback position" flag on each track in the database. I was setting it but the only 5G database I've seen doesn't seem to have it set on its songs. I've changed it so that the next version doesn't set it for new songs sent by foo_dop.

Not sure why it ended up with behaviour you saw though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-06-19 19:52:43
one thing that has happened twice- at least to me. (most likely a fluke)

when the on-the-go playlist is changed to a regular playlist (i did not load the library or rewrite the DB- i simply plugged in the ipod and sent a new song)...let me start from the begining.

all the music on my ipod is form itunes. i load up foo_dop and send one track to the ipod (no problems- i love it) i then add an album to the OTG playlist. then add the one new song.

when i plug in the ipod to send another song to the ipod (no loading of the library and no rewriting of the library- just one song sent to the ipod) the OTG list becomes a regular playlist (as it should) but the last track the one that i added with foo_dop has changed to a different song. no trouble with any music- it's just a different song- in fact it changes to the same song both times i recreated the "problem".

is the meta data crossing? should i rewrite the DB?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-19 20:05:19
Its not metadata crossing but looks like wrong track being written to the playlist after converting it OTG -> Normal playlist. I doubt rewrite DB will do anything useful.

Someone complained of same above. I'll try your steps myself and see if I can reproduce it.

Otherwise iTunesDB + OTGPlaylistInfo* backups at each step would be nice but I'll try repro it before I ask for those.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jarsonic on 2006-06-19 20:10:57
Quote
Chapters: Still haven't seen an example of proper chapter data in the iPod's database and so I don't know what the iPod does with it or even if its any use at all. If not I can look into some other solution to get it working.


http://www.pastecultureclub.com/ (http://www.pastecultureclub.com/)

The Paste Culture Club podcast has integrated chapters.  Maybe you can toss it on your iPod and take a look at the database data it generates?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2006-06-19 22:08:13
Quote
That file probably had no tags. I guess foo_pod's author thought like kode54.
No, I have a number of other files sent with it via transcoding, just that one was goofed up.  Suspect it was just a fluke, file probably got messed up at some point.  Possibly it was why trying a rebuild always crashed foo_pod.

Quote
Not too sure why they ended up with wrong tracks, unless you started using foo_dop before version 0.2.5. Is that the case?
No, 0.2.7 was the first version I ever installed and tried.

Quote
Strange, not sure about that one. Well I have an idea, can you check where the last modified date/time is for those files you added locally on your computer? If it is that the album that showed up is in the last day/whatever and the others are before one month then it somewhat makes sense as to the cause.
Nope.  They were almost all ripped within the last week.  The ones from the last batch added that actually show up were the only older ones:
Created Tuesday, March 16, 2004
Modified Saturday, June 17, 2006
(I changed the genre tag before sending)

However now that I looked through the artists list on my ipod more heavily, I don't think the other ones that were added last time are showing up anywhere.  I'll do another DB rebuild when I get home and see if I'm right, pretty sure I added some stuff that doesn't appear to be there at all.

Also found that I have a duplicate artist with the same exact albums listed under both copies of it after the DB rebuild.  Think it might be case related.  The list goes:
けちゃっぷMania
けちゃっぷmania
けちゃっぷMania

Middle one I screwed up at one point and used fullwidth ascii instead of regular ascii while tagging one of their songs, so it should be seperate and only has the one track under it.  After previewing this I see the board automatically converts fullwidth ascii to regular in posts, so the list looks confusing - middle one should be %EF%BD%8D %EF%BD%81 %EF%BD%8E %EF%BD%89 %EF%BD%81 for the "mania" part, not regular ascii.  The first and third entries are identical in display and in albums listed under them.  Band's name should be just けちゃっぷmania and I know I had an album or two accidently tagged as けちゃっぷMania with a capital M in the past, they're corrected now on my hard drive but I don't think they are on the iPod.  I'm guessing the rebuild combined the lowercase and capital versions like it should, but then entered it under both the lower case and upper case spots.

Quote
Yeah, I think I'd like to look at them, even if the answer to both questions above is yes. Thanks.

Alright, can do in about 2 hours.

Quote
Transcoding: No converter API as far as I have seen. Even then, its not too high on my priorities (it can be worked around, other things less so)
Chapters: Still haven't seen an example of proper chapter data in the iPod's database and so I don't know what the iPod does with it or even if its any use at all. If not I can look into some other solution to get it working.

I wasn't even thinking chapters, actually.  The normal converter splits tracks into seperate mp3s when you use it on a lossless+cue rip unless you tell it specifically to put it all in one file.  And I realize it's low priority since everyone can seperate their lossless stuff, do the usual right click->convert, then readd them, replaygain scan, and then send to ipod with the rest of their stuff.  Just nice when you don't have to think about that and can just select all->send to ipod.  Just felt I should mention it so you know how many people are looking for that feature.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-19 22:32:12
Its not metadata crossing but looks like wrong track being written to the playlist after converting it OTG -> Normal playlist. I doubt rewrite DB will do anything useful.

Someone complained of same above. I'll try your steps myself and see if I can reproduce it.

Otherwise iTunesDB + OTGPlaylistInfo* backups at each step would be nice but I'll try repro it before I ask for those.
So far I didn't have any problems. If you can repro it and could make those backups that would be great. Otherwise I'll keep an eye out for this.

Quote

Chapters: Still haven't seen an example of proper chapter data in the iPod's database and so I don't know what the iPod does with it or even if its any use at all. If not I can look into some other solution to get it working.


http://www.pastecultureclub.com/ (http://www.pastecultureclub.com/)

The Paste Culture Club podcast has integrated chapters.  Maybe you can toss it on your iPod and take a look at the database data it generates?
Thanks, I tried that. Well my 3G iPod did nothing at all with the chapter data.

I think maybe best way to handle it is going to be to add the entries to the DB separately and use the start/stop time fields.

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Strange, not sure about that one. Well I have an idea, can you check where the last modified date/time is for those files you added locally on your computer? If it is that the album that showed up is in the last day/whatever and the others are before one month then it somewhat makes sense as to the cause.
Nope.  They were almost all ripped within the last week.  The ones from the last batch added that actually show up were the only older ones:
Created Tuesday, March 16, 2004
Modified Saturday, June 17, 2006
(I changed the genre tag before sending)
Right, but by your example the ones that showed up in the last day/week smart playlist had the modified date as within the last day (on Sat). I'll look at the DB it should give me somes answers.

[Edit] Yes, I found the cause of the bug. It should be fixed in next version.

However now that I looked through the artists list on my ipod more heavily, I don't think the other ones that were added last time are showing up anywhere.  I'll do another DB rebuild when I get home and see if I'm right, pretty sure I added some stuff that doesn't appear to be there at all.

Also found that I have a duplicate artist with the same exact albums listed under both copies of it after the DB rebuild.  Think it might be case related.  The list goes:
?????Mania
?????mania
?????Mania

Middle one I screwed up at one point and used fullwidth ascii instead of regular ascii while tagging one of their songs, so it should be seperate and only has the one track under it.  After previewing this I see the board automatically converts fullwidth ascii to regular in posts, so the list looks confusing - middle one should be %EF%BD%8D %EF%BD%81 %EF%BD%8E %EF%BD%89 %EF%BD%81 for the "mania" part, not regular ascii.  The first and third entries are identical in display and in albums listed under them.  Band's name should be just ?????mania and I know I had an album or two accidently tagged as ?????Mania with a capital M in the past, they're corrected now on my hard drive but I don't think they are on the iPod.  I'm guessing the rebuild combined the lowercase and capital versions like it should, but then entered it under both the lower case and upper case spots.

Well, I'll look at your DB as to what exactly the latter is about.

For the former I think the songs should be there someplace, especially if they are listed elsewhere in the iPod? You could load the DB into foobar, sort it by Artist, and that should give you some indication where foo_dop would have put it in the Artist list.

BTW, in case you thought otherwise, rewrite DB does not scan the iPod for files (like foo_pod's rebuild DB does?), it only uses whatever was in the DB already. Or maybe you meant you were going to try with foo_pod, dunno..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2006-06-20 00:51:03
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Well, I'll look at your DB as to what exactly the latter is about.

For the former I think the songs should be there someplace, especially if they are listed elsewhere in the iPod? You could load the DB into foobar, sort it by Artist, and that should give you some indication where foo_dop would have put it in the Artist list.

BTW, in case you thought otherwise, rewrite DB does not scan the iPod for files (like foo_pod's rebuild DB does?), it only uses whatever was in the DB already. Or maybe you meant you were going to try with foo_pod, dunno..

Latter - have some databases: http://www.filepulse.org/files/313/temp/ipod.rar (http://www.filepulse.org/files/313/temp/ipod.rar)

Edit: should mention, did another DB rebuild like I said, still duped up.

Former - I'm starting to doubt my own sanity now, the files are simply not there at all.  Checked one I know I transfered, it's not on the iPod.  Checked total files from a dir /s in the music directory on it versus number of songs listed when I load the media library with foo_dop, they match.  Sorry for wasting your time...  Only guess I have is that after transferring them they were selected in the playlist and I did something stupid like deleting them while cleaning some other older stuff off it without realizing they were selected too.

And yes, I didn't realize it only checked the existing files, foo_pod's rebuild scans the whole drive if I remember right and will add files outside the usual ipod file structure.  Good to know the difference.

One more feature request that I forgot to make in my first post: "Check free space" in the iPod menu.  Always convenient to have that within the app rather than having to check it in explorer or finding out when you're low by getting a disk full message.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-20 01:28:48
Thanks, I have an idea what the problem is: the sort I use isn't case sensitive but the iPod is. Basically, I write a list of the songs sorted by Artist to the iPod but the artists of those songs end up in this order:

けちゃっぷMania
けちゃっぷMania
けちゃっぷMania
けちゃっぷMania
けちゃっぷmania
けちゃっぷmania
けちゃっぷmania
けちゃっぷMania
けちゃっぷMania

And that confuses the iPod. I'll check if this is correct tomorrow
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-20 09:37:21
Ok well basically one of your files has a wierd ARTIST field.

In a hex editor it looks like this:
Code: [Select]
0000d168h: 51 30 61 30 83 30 63 30 77 30 4D FF 41 FF 4E FF; Q0a0ƒ0c0w0MÿAÿNÿ
0000d178h: 49 FF 41 FF                                ; IÿAÿ

Its the one that sticks out on your iPod ("Welcome To Paradise").

The problem is that the iPod considers that different from the other tracks by the same artist but foo_dop doesn't.

You can fix it in the DB at the same offset by changing those FF bytes to 00. Or better would be retag the file with a proper Artist field (copy it from one of the other files) and rewrite the DB.

I think it can be fixed on my side, so that that track stays a separate entry in the Artist list but the others don't double up, I'll look into it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2006-06-20 12:20:46
Ok well basically one of your files has a wierd ARTIST field.

In a hex editor it looks like this:
Code: [Select]
0000d168h: 51 30 61 30 83 30 63 30 77 30 4D FF 41 FF 4E FF; Q0a0ƒ0c0w0MÿAÿNÿ
0000d178h: 49 FF 41 FF                            ; IÿAÿ

Its the one that sticks out on your iPod ("Welcome To Paradise").

The problem is that the iPod considers that different from the other tracks by the same artist but foo_dop doesn't.

You can fix it in the DB at the same offset by changing those FF bytes to 00. Or better would be retag the file with a proper Artist field (copy it from one of the other files) and rewrite the DB.

I think it can be fixed on my side, so that that track stays a separate entry in the Artist list but the others don't double up, I'll look into it.

That's the accidental fullwidth ascii one I mentioned.  Changing it to halfwidth ascii and doing a DB rebuild did fix it, thanks.

But if foo_dop considers fullwidth and halfwidth characters the same that's going to cause problems with Japanese stuff like that semi-often.  It's rather easy to forget what input mode you're in when typing in mixed kana/kanji + ascii names and ending up with the ascii parts in fullwidth by accident.  Sort by unicode codepoint after the initial sort might take care of it...  Most apps I've seen treat them as the same if compared to other characters, but different if compared to each other.  ? follows ? before ? does and Q (fullwidth) is after Q but before R.  http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/UFF00.pdf (http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/UFF00.pdf) is the doc on them if that helps, just the FF00-FFFF range needs special consideration...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-20 13:11:02
Well it considers them different, excepting when it comes to sorting (I guess this is what you were talking about):

If I sort by artist only, it will differentiate the double-width one and put it after the sindle-width ones.
If I sort by artist following some other varying data, the comparison func will treat the double width and single width ones the same and sort by the varying data afterwards.

You can see the same in foobar by loading your library, and seeing the difference when you sort by:
"%artist%"
or "%artist%|%album%|%discnumber%|$num(%tracknumber%,2)|%title%".

So it treats them different, but the same at the same time

I wrote a fix anyway, just testing it now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2006-06-21 00:54:29
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You can see the same in foobar by loading your library, and seeing the difference when you sort by:
"%artist%"
or "%artist%|%album%|%discnumber%|$num(%tracknumber%,2)|%title%".

o.O  Interesting weirdness, I see what you mean.  Never noticed it before since I generally don't sort my playlists in foobar.  Thanks for your time on getting this straightened out, really appreciate it since I can't honestly say it'll come up for many users.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Twaize on 2006-06-21 20:07:30
Does it play the files through the iPod, with the iPod as the player, or does it load them into foobar2000 to play them? Under the first scenario it might just play my ALAC files, but it won't under the second
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2006-06-21 23:24:26
Does it play the files through the iPod, with the iPod as the player, or does it load them into foobar2000 to play them? Under the first scenario it might just play my ALAC files, but it won't under the second

It loads them into a regular foobar2000 playlist with the metadata from the DB file.  But there is an alac decoder component http://www.foobar2000.org/components/ (http://www.foobar2000.org/components/) so foo should handle them...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: saratoga on 2006-06-22 01:21:56
Does it play the files through the iPod, with the iPod as the player, or does it load them into foobar2000 to play them?


I don't believe its possible to control the Ipod via the firewire or USB connector.  I think you need to use the serial interface on the dock connector to do that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-22 13:37:30
0.2.8 TEST released. Details in changelog. Main thing that needs testing is how new drive scanner works. The drive scanner is the first step in most of the iPod commands.

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You can see the same in foobar by loading your library, and seeing the difference when you sort by:
"%artist%"
or "%artist%|%album%|%discnumber%|$num(%tracknumber%,2)|%title%".

o.O  Interesting weirdness, I see what you mean.  Never noticed it before since I generally don't sort my playlists in foobar.  Thanks for your time on getting this straightened out, really appreciate it since I can't honestly say it'll come up for many users.

Yeah, I mean the string should have really been something like:
"%artist% | %album% | %discnumber% | $num(%tracknumber%,2) | %title%"
But that doesn't help here anyway.

In anycase, the problem should be resolved in 0.2.8 TEST.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2006-06-22 16:37:01

Yes, AFAIK it requiers iPod Service to be installed.


No it doesn't. That's only for the mount/unmount commands.
Well, then it IS required. Or am I missing something? For the record, foo_pod does NOT require the service: it mounts/unmounts the device regardless.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-22 18:29:57
Well, then it IS required. Or am I missing something?

1. What is the problem with installing iPodService? I must be missing something.
2. Otherwise, just don't use the Mount/Unmount commands? If you need to unmount you can do it from Safely Remove Hardware in the notification area, or even through My Computer / iPod context menu / Eject.
3. iPodService is a permanently running service with admin priveledges. You can't replace that with a foobar2000 component. Neither do I know the specifics of how it does its "soft/warm" eject/mount on the iPod: but I will guess it needs admin priviledges.

For the record, foo_pod does NOT require the service: it mounts/unmounts the device regardless.

Alessandro

1. This is not foo_pod, nor is it in competition with foo_pod, or intended as a replacement.
2. I'd like to see you mount the iPod using foo_pod without iPodService installed.
3. You don't need iPodService to use foo_dop either. And it will stay that way for the forseable future. Because iPodService is an undocumented API and I can't have that kind of dependency.

In short: did you actually try and use the component?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: toology on 2006-06-22 18:37:31
I think that avoiding iPod service is not worth the hassle.
It's installed with iPod updater wich is really a must have tool if something goes wrong with your device.
Even Rockbox developers recommend using it in case it fails to load properly or freezes.
In any case I don't notice it running except it's listed in task manager.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bluenet on 2006-06-23 05:49:20
When sending files to iPod, the plugins always read floppy disk, any body confirm?
foo_dop 0.2.7
foobar2000 v0.9.2
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2006-06-23 14:17:02
0.2.8 TEST released. Details in changelog. Main thing that needs testing is how new drive scanner works. The drive scanner is the first step in most of the iPod commands.

Installed, drive scanner worked fine here.  Couldn't tell if it was faster since the old one wasn't noticably slow for me ever.  Did a reload info on the DB to clear up any possible lingering sort issues.  Seems to be working fine.

Also deleted everything I've added with foo_dop so far and then readded them.  All of my "recently added" smart playlists work right now, all tracks showed up regardless of last modified date on files.

Thanks again.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2006-06-24 08:07:02

Well, then it IS required. Or am I missing something?

1. What is the problem with installing iPodService? I must be missing something.
Sometimes (at work, for example) you are not allowed to install software at will.
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1. This is not foo_pod, nor is it in competition with foo_pod, or intended as a replacement.
I wasn't trying to compare the two products: I just wanted to say that it should be possible (if another component can do it). Please accept my apologies.
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2. I'd like to see you mount the iPod using foo_pod without iPodService installed.
I don't have my iPod to do a test now, but I'm pretty sure I never needed to specifically mount the device to do file transfer (perhaps foo_pod does that automatically somehow).
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In short: did you actually try and use the component?
In short, yes.

If I try Check if up-to-date on iPod or Find songs on iPod I receive a No iPod found! error (and yes, I can access my iPod from Windows Explorer). This is with 0.2.8 TEST.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-24 18:28:58
If I try Check if up-to-date on iPod or Find songs on iPod I receive a No iPod found! error (and yes, I can access my iPod from Windows Explorer). This is with 0.2.8 TEST.


Does 0.2.7 work? If so it must be problem with new drive scanner, let me know and I'll make you a test version to find out the cause. What OS also?

Edit: Actually, if this is Windows 2000 I found one probable cause of this.

Try this test version (http://music.morbo.org/internal/foo_dop-TEST.7z). Check if it works, and either way post all the info under "File/iPod/Debug" here (with your iPod connected).

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-06-25 16:30:00
I'm having playlist issues again. (see my earlier posts). this time all of the "smart" playlists are entirely changing when i mount the ipod.

i'm not sure how to attach the DB files to this post or even where to send them (all together they're 14 MB)

music music how would you like me to get you these files?

also- regardless of this- as soon as playlist managment is implemented i'm kissing itunes goodbye.

thank you so much MM.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: falconfox on 2006-06-25 19:02:32
I used latest "test version" and it went smoothly except for some files which produced the following failed to transfer error "gave up searching for a reasonable file name"

does this mean that the filename on my computer is too long?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: david_dl on 2006-06-25 23:04:31
I don't know if this is an issue with foo_dop, but recently my iPod has started behaving strangely. When I skip to the next track, sometimes it will start playing that track at a random point, sometimes half way through, sometimes near the end, sometimes a few seconds after the start. Pressing the 'previous track' button causes it to start playing from the start, but it's still very annoying.
I'm using 0.2.7. I'll try 0.2.8 now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Demonanya on 2006-06-25 23:11:49
I don't know if this is an issue with foo_dop, but recently my iPod has started behaving strangely. When I skip to the next track, sometimes it will start playing that track at a random point, sometimes half way through, sometimes near the end, sometimes a few seconds after the start. Pressing the 'previous track' button causes it to start playing from the start, but it's still very annoying.
I'm using 0.2.7. I'll try 0.2.8 now.


I had exactly the same problem with 0.2.7 but since upgrading to 0.2.8 the issue has been sorted for me.  In fact the way things stand I can't think of anything that is causing me any problems now, so much so I uninstalled ITunes today
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-26 00:45:24
I'm having playlist issues again. (see my earlier posts). this time all of the "smart" playlists are entirely changing when i mount the ipod.

i'm not sure how to attach the DB files to this post or even where to send them (all together they're 14 MB)

music music how would you like me to get you these files?

also- regardless of this- as soon as playlist managment is implemented i'm kissing itunes goodbye.

thank you so much MM.

Mounting the iPod shouldn't really change anything. I don't really use smart playlists, so I don't have much experience of them (and when exactly they are meant to refresh). But I think the iPod checks if the DB changed after you mount/unmount, maybe that relates to it.

Also just opening iTunes will cause iTunes to rewrite the database. Im not sure why, but I have ideas. But maybe this is related?

If you want to upload the DB you can compress the files, it should compress to something like 8% of original size using 7-Zip/LZMA/Ultra. There's an upload forum on this forum, I'd prefer that actually. But Im not sure how useful they would be anyway.

Otherwise I'll put some smart playlists on my iPod and see what I notice.

I used latest "test version" and it went smoothly except for some files which produced the following failed to transfer error "gave up searching for a reasonable file name"

does this mean that the filename on my computer is too long?

Were they files with "non-ascii" characters? (ASCII characters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII))

If when it tries to transfer the file, the dest filename exists it tries appending (n) to the filename, n=1,2,...,99. If all of those exists it gives up with that error. If the original filename is non-ascii there would be some chance of it being hit since those characters would be replaced with underscores. But there are 100 directories it sends files to so it would need a lot of files on your iPod for you to hit it. So Im somewhat skeptical that actually happened.

So check if you see anything like that (i.e. files with (1), (2) upto (99)) in your iPod music folders (the Fxx dirs under iPod_Control/Music I think, just go there and do a search for * to get a quick list of all the files there). If so Ill bump the number of filenames it tries. Otherwise there must be a bug in the code that handles this.

I don't know if this is an issue with foo_dop, but recently my iPod has started behaving strangely. When I skip to the next track, sometimes it will start playing that track at a random point, sometimes half way through, sometimes near the end, sometimes a few seconds after the start. Pressing the 'previous track' button causes it to start playing from the start, but it's still very annoying.
I'm using 0.2.7. I'll try 0.2.8 now.

Yes, it was discussed a bit earlier. Its fixed for new files sent using 0.2.8. I don't think it shouldn't be random time but last position your left that track at. For existing tracks you can toggle the "Remember playback position" setting using iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-06-26 04:07:07
i'm sorry- not smart playlists.

the OTG playlist. when i mount my ipod it is saved as OTG1, OTG2 etc.

everytime i plug in my ipod the contents of OTG change when it switches to OTG1. and even the previously saved OTG2,3,4 change when i mount the ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: flashover on 2006-06-26 08:56:19
I've found a bug that Im surprised no one else has found due to its impact of the use of your iPod (4g iPod 20gb in my case). What happens is that when selecting a song I can not select anything that has multiple words, I have to first select a song that is a single word and then go next. For example I can't play the song Dani California unless I select the song Charlie and press previous twice. I think this is why oldmate Apple renamed the files to four unspaced letters when sending them to the iPod. It would be great if this would be fixed in the next release so I can continue using foo_dop as my primary iPod thingy
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TrNSZ on 2006-06-26 16:03:23
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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-06-26 16:05:52
neither have i.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-26 17:35:57
i'm sorry- not smart playlists.

the OTG playlist. when i mount my ipod it is saved as OTG1, OTG2 etc.

everytime i plug in my ipod the contents of OTG change when it switches to OTG1. and even the previously saved OTG2,3,4 change when i mount the ipod.
OK.

Well, mounting itself shouldn't change anything.

Have you configured iTunes to open when you connect your iPod?

What other software are you using with your iPod?

Also, when using foo_dop, keep the console open, and check for any errors there. Because any error reading the OTG playlists are going to go there at the moment. If there is an error, it will maybe cause some problems.

For the backup, I need: OTGPlaylistInfo + iTunesDB before the OTG playlist is saved as regular playlist, and iTunesDB afterwards.

I've found a bug that Im surprised no one else has found due to its impact of the use of your iPod (4g iPod 20gb in my case). What happens is that when selecting a song I can not select anything that has multiple words, I have to first select a song that is a single word and then go next. For example I can't play the song Dani California unless I select the song Charlie and press previous twice. I think this is why oldmate Apple renamed the files to four unspaced letters when sending them to the iPod. It would be great if this would be fixed in the next release so I can continue using foo_dop as my primary iPod thingy

Also not here on 3G iPod.

Maybe the "remember playback position" bug in 0.2.7 is the cause?

Otherwise, could you explain what you mean by "can not select". And upload your iTunesDB, why not.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-06-26 17:42:55
sorry for being so dumb but how do i get those files before the OTG is saved as a regular playlist- it does this every time i plug it in. i've never used anything but itunes and foo_dop for my ipod and itunes does not open automatically. but everytime i plug it in it changes the OTG playlist to regular one.

my ipod is a 5G (video)...

anyway i'll see what i can do to get these files for you-

one more stupid question- where is the attachment option for this forum?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-26 18:12:24
sorry for being so dumb but how do i get those files before the OTG is saved as a regular playlist- it does this every time i plug it in.

i've never used anything but itunes and foo_dop for my ipod and itunes does not open automatically. but everytime i plug it in it changes the OTG playlist to regular one.

my ipod is a 5G (video)...

Hmm.. strange. I wonder what's conveting them. Because my 3G doesn't do that automatically (needs iTunes, or foo_dop or something to do it). It could be the iPod but Im not so sure. Maybe you could try stopping the iPodService service (or kill the process, doesn't matter to me) and then attaching your iPod.

The files are usually kept in the hidden dir iPod_Control/iTunes on your iPod.

Also, does this happen without any foo_dop intervention. I mean, does just a mount and eject mess it up, no foo_dop involved.

Also, looking at the other report about this, could you try this:
-Load your iPod library into foobar2000 (leaving the order of that tracks unchanged).
-Disconnect the iPod, add some tracks to your OTG playlist.
-Note the position ("playlist numbers") of those tracks in the foobar2000 playlist you loaded earlier. (You can add %playlist_number% to your playlist display to make it easier)
-Connect your iPod, eject it so that the playlist is saved messed up.
-Note the position of the tracks that now appear in the saved playlist on the iPod in the playlist in foobar2000.

Post the numbers before and after here if you could.

Thanks for your help with this.

one more stupid question- where is the attachment option for this forum?

You have to use the upload forum (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showforum=42).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-06-26 18:16:14
I'll do all of this and get back to you.

When i load the library i do change the sorting order in foobar- is that bad (at the moment *to be fixed later).

this all happens without me doing anything- however my ipod service center does run. I'll make sure it doesn't when i try this next.


thank YOU for all help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: flashover on 2006-06-26 22:14:10
Sorry for not being clear before. But for example if I wanted to play Dani California and I selected it, the iPod would stop for a second and go to the next song. I often find that selecting a song with one word as the title it plays with no questions though sometimes I can get a multiworded song to play, sometimes. Althought if I play a one word song and go back to the song I wanted it would play fine as well... its quite the mystery.

iTunesDB (http://flashover.nerdtech.ws/temp_uploads/iTunesDB)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-06-26 23:59:13
MM-
this is what i did

1) uninstalled ipod updater
2) told itunes to let me manually manage the library and playlists (even though it never started when i plugged it in i figured it couldn't hurt)

tried everything again.

perfect. amazing.

i encountered something else

i loaded the library and changed some tags on a couple of files. then i rewrote the DB. but when i reloaded the library the tags hadn't changed.

any ideas?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-27 00:57:51
Sorry for not being clear before. But for example if I wanted to play Dani California and I selected it, the iPod would stop for a second and go to the next song. I often find that selecting a song with one word as the title it plays with no questions though sometimes I can get a multiworded song to play, sometimes. Althought if I play a one word song and go back to the song I wanted it would play fine as well... its quite the mystery.

iTunesDB (http://flashover.nerdtech.ws/temp_uploads/iTunesDB)

Thanks for that.

Unfortunately, due to a bug, most of the (many) files you sent ended up in the F99 directory. I think, this is the cause of what you see. Possibly the iPod gives up if it takes too long to seek - and navigating from the previous track could have overcome that.

I fixed the bug for 0.2.9. But that won't move your files - easiest thing is probably to remove them all and send them again with 0.2.9 when its released.

MM-
this is what i did

1) uninstalled ipod updater
2) told itunes to let me manually manage the library and playlists (even though it never started when i plugged it in i figured it couldn't hurt)

tried everything again.

perfect. amazing.

It must have been number 2, because that is what I have mine set to. Still, strange. Probably it was the iPodService doing it then. Possibly it was having trouble reading the DB - I made some chanes for 0.2.9 so  it looks more like something iTunes wrote. Maybe it will help.

i encountered something else

i loaded the library and changed some tags on a couple of files. then i rewrote the DB. but when i reloaded the library the tags hadn't changed.

any ideas?

I changed the name of the "Rewite iPod database" command from 0.2.7 to the "Reload metadata.." one in 0.2.8. In fact its generally quite confusing. But Ill explain it as best as I can:

In 0.2.8:
-Rewrite iPod Database: Simply loads the database and writes it out again. In otherwords, not much.
-Reload iPod library metadata from files: Loads the iPod library, asks foobar to read metadata from all of the files in the library if changed, and then writes the db out again using metadata supplied by foobar2000.

Also, for some reasons, what shows up in foobar isn't necessarily what's in the DB.

So, did you use the "Reload iPod library metadata from files" command? That should update the iPod's DB.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-06-27 04:49:59
no- i rewrote the db.
i'll use reload library from metadata next time.

thanks again.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: flashover on 2006-06-27 06:59:37
Quote
Thanks for that.

Unfortunately, due to a bug, most of the (many) files you sent ended up in the F99 directory. I think, this is the cause of what you see. Possibly the iPod gives up if it takes too long to seek - and navigating from the previous track could have overcome that.

I fixed the bug for 0.2.9. But that won't move your files - easiest thing is probably to remove them all and send them again with 0.2.9 when its released.

Thanks musicmusic, keep up the good work!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2006-06-27 07:58:59
Actually, if this is Windows 2000 I found one probable cause of this.

Try this test version (http://music.morbo.org/internal/foo_dop-TEST.7z). Check if it works, and either way post all the info under "File/iPod/Debug" here (with your iPod connected).

Thanks
It is Win2000 and the patch works, thank you.

File/iPod/Debug:
Code: [Select]
Volume 0
Name: HL-DT-ST CD-ROM GCR-8521B
Class: CDROM
Class GUID: 4D36E965-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318
Removal policy: Error: Unknown error code (3758096905)
Capabilities: 0
Path: \\?\ide#cdromhl-dt-st_cd-rom_gcr-8521b_______________1.02____#5&22da6f84&0&0.0.0#{53f5630d-b6bf-11d0-94f2-00a0c91efb8b}
Volume Name: \\?\Volume{f996b411-9a52-11da-9b00-806d6172696f}\
Logical Drive: E:\
Logical Drive Type: 5
Has iTunesDB: No
Volume 1
Name: Error: Dati non validi.  
Class: Volume
Class GUID: 71A27CDD-812A-11D0-BEC7-08002BE2092F
Removal policy: Error: Unknown error code (3758096905)
Capabilities: 60
Path: \\?\storage#removablemedia#8&64e41ce&0&rm#{53f5630d-b6bf-11d0-94f2-00a0c91efb8b}
Volume Name: \\?\Volume{111111d8-9a61-11da-80dd-000e8e00fc5f}\
Logical Drive: G:\
Logical Drive Type: 2
Has iTunesDB: Yes
Volume 2
Name: Error: Dati non validi.  
Class: Volume
Class GUID: 71A27CDD-812A-11D0-BEC7-08002BE2092F
Removal policy: Error: Unknown error code (3758096905)
Capabilities: E0
Path: \\?\storage#volume#1&30a96598&0&signature76bde1b1offset7e00lengthe4fbf6400#{53f5630d-b6bf-11d0-94f2-00a0c91efb8b}
Volume Name: \\?\Volume{f996b413-9a52-11da-9b00-806d6172696f}\
Logical Drive: D:\
Logical Drive Type: 3
Has iTunesDB: No
Volume 3
Name: Error: Dati non validi.  
Class: Volume
Class GUID: 71A27CDD-812A-11D0-BEC7-08002BE2092F
Removal policy: Error: Unknown error code (3758096905)
Capabilities: E0
Path: \\?\storage#volume#1&30a96598&0&signaturedcaddcadoffset7e00length17fe02000#{53f5630d-b6bf-11d0-94f2-00a0c91efb8b}
Volume Name: \\?\Volume{f996b415-9a52-11da-9b00-806d6172696f}\
Logical Drive: C:\
Logical Drive Type: 3
Has iTunesDB: No


Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-27 13:50:22
0.2.9 released, see first post/changelog for details.

Actually, if this is Windows 2000 I found one probable cause of this.

Try this test version (http://music.morbo.org/internal/foo_dop-TEST.7z). Check if it works, and either way post all the info under "File/iPod/Debug" here (with your iPod connected).

Thanks
It is Win2000 and the patch works, thank you.

File/iPod/Debug:
[...]
Alessandro

Thanks for that
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-06-27 14:44:33
I'm not a programer but my gut says that this is no longer alpha...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheRealEdwin on 2006-06-28 05:50:08
Any chance we can get support for the iTunes on cellphones? I have a Motorola L7 (SLVR) and would love an alternative to iTunes and mototunes. If you need any files I can zip up the whole directory (sans music). Almost everything is identical except for the directories. I can provide source code for another program that can do it too.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zyrill on 2006-06-29 08:44:20
thank you musicmusic for your wonderful plugin - i was desperately waiting for an alterternative to itunes that works with 0.92. it works like a charm as well - that is, for normal use. i found out that when creating *.m4a with chapters, the ipod is able to show them all correctly and navigating seems to work, but when you skip a track it always plays the first one. i'm moving right now but i'll be glad to help you (if you think that bug might be dop's fault) debug it. i could also provide a little video, if i haven't made myself clear enough and you still have questions.
well, thanks again!

so long,

zy
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-29 10:04:15
Any chance we can get support for the iTunes on cellphones? I have a Motorola L7 (SLVR) and would love an alternative to iTunes and mototunes. If you need any files I can zip up the whole directory (sans music). Almost everything is identical except for the directories.

I don't think it would be that simple to add support for them. But I'll take a look at the database and other files you send. Also, is the directory layout the same or different? I.e "/iPod_control/iTunes" for database etc., and "iPod_Control/Music/Fxx" for songs etc.

I can provide source code for another program that can do it too.
No, just the database files is fine thanks

thank you musicmusic for your wonderful plugin - i was desperately waiting for an alterternative to itunes that works with 0.92. it works like a charm as well - that is, for normal use. i found out that when creating *.m4a with chapters, the ipod is able to show them all correctly and navigating seems to work, but when you skip a track it always plays the first one. i'm moving right now but i'll be glad to help you (if you think that bug might be dop's fault) debug it. i could also provide a little video, if i haven't made myself clear enough and you still have questions.
well, thanks again!

so long,

zy
Sorry chapters aren't supported yet. But its high on my priority list
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Demonanya on 2006-06-29 13:24:09
Just a quick question, in the Wiki you are listing some video specific metadata fields.  Does this mean that we could use foobar to potentially transfer video over to the iPod or are those fields there purely for compatibility reasons?

Either way thanks for creating a fantastic foobar add-on, it's working fantastically well
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2006-06-30 15:28:46
Minor bug I just noticed:
On-The-Go ## playlists caused by using foo_dop aren't sorted right.  On my iPod when I view playlists I have:
Most played 01
Most played 05
Most played 25
Most played 50
On-The-Go 1
On-The-Go 2
On-The-Go 3
On-The-Go 4
Played 01 days
Played 02 days
Played 07 days
Recent 01 days
Recent 07 days
Recent 31 days
On-The-Go 5
On-The-Go 6

The On-The-Go 1-4 playlists were caused by itunes and foo_pod in the past and are sorted in the right spot alphabetically.  The 05 and 06 ones are from when I started using foo_dop and appear at the end of the list instead of with the rest of them.  Ideally when the DB is written, if it causes a new On-The-Go ## playlist then it would check and sort it with the rest of them in the playlist order rather than tacking them on to the end of the list.

---

Unrelated to that, with the previous discussion about non-ascii filenames and having to append numbers when you get dupes due to the same number of underscores, have you considered replacing the characters with a random A-Z character instead?  Believe both itunes and foo_pod do it that way, for those of us with a lot of non-ascii stuff it'll probably be safer.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-30 20:02:34
Just a quick question, in the Wiki you are listing some video specific metadata fields.  Does this mean that we could use foobar to potentially transfer video over to the iPod or are those fields there purely for compatibility reasons?

No, you can't really send videos using foo_dop. The fields are just the mappings to the iPod's database. So you know which fields are used etc.

Either way thanks for creating a fantastic foobar add-on, it's working fantastically well
Thanks and you're welcome

On-The-Go ## playlists caused by using foo_dop aren't sorted right.  On my iPod when I view playlists I have:

The On-The-Go 1-4 playlists were caused by itunes and foo_pod in the past and are sorted in the right spot alphabetically.  The 05 and 06 ones are from when I started using foo_dop and appear at the end of the list instead of with the rest of them.  Ideally when the DB is written, if it causes a new On-The-Go ## playlist then it would check and sort it with the rest of them in the playlist order rather than tacking them on to the end of the list.
Yeh, noticed that myself. I'll fix it for next version.

Unrelated to that, with the previous discussion about non-ascii filenames and having to append numbers when you get dupes due to the same number of underscores, have you considered replacing the characters with a random A-Z character instead?  Believe both itunes and foo_pod do it that way, for those of us with a lot of non-ascii stuff it'll probably be safer.

Well, AFAIK iTunes just always uses some arbitary (as far as I know) four letters for filenames.
As I remember, foo_pod replaces everything not ascii with 2 random letters. That includes é (etc.) which foo_dop rather maps to e. Only characters that can't be mapped to anything ASCII are mapped to underscores.

The foo_dop method should work fine really. The problem reported before was probably caused by the "F99 bug".

I don't think there is any benefit from doing it foo_pod style.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-06-30 20:14:47
I don't think there is any benefit from doing it foo_pod style.



let's be honest with each other- we all chuckled when he said this.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2006-06-30 21:01:16
Yeh, noticed that myself. I'll fix it for next version.
Nice, thank you.

Well, AFAIK iTunes just always uses some arbitary (as far as I know) four letters for filenames.
As I remember, foo_pod replaces everything not ascii with 2 random letters. That includes é (etc.) which foo_dop rather maps to e. Only characters that can't be mapped to anything ASCII are mapped to underscores.
Wasn't aware that foo_pod did two to one, supposed that sort of makes sense since they're double byte characters usually.  About 2/3rds of my music collection falls into the category of "can't be mapped to anything ascii", call it 30000 tracks roughtly.  With a 20gb ipod only about 10% of that fits, so I'm not really worried about it being an issue now.  It's just kind of one of those things that seems like it could be a problem in the future.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-06-30 21:53:44
Well, AFAIK iTunes just always uses some arbitary (as far as I know) four letters for filenames.
As I remember, foo_pod replaces everything not ascii with 2 random letters. That includes é (etc.) which foo_dop rather maps to e. Only characters that can't be mapped to anything ASCII are mapped to underscores.
Wasn't aware that foo_pod did two to one, supposed that sort of makes sense since they're double byte characters usually.  About 2/3rds of my music collection falls into the category of "can't be mapped to anything ascii", call it 30000 tracks roughtly.  With a 20gb ipod only about 10% of that fits, so I'm not really worried about it being an issue now.  It's just kind of one of those things that seems like it could be a problem in the future.

Actually, let me correct myself:
For all tracks containing é, foo_pod mapped it to NN. So its not random at all, but maybe related to the letter it mapped from.

Anyway, for you to hit the limit you'd need 100 files with same mapped name (means same length, any ascii chars such as spaces at same position, ..) in same Fxx directory. Its not really going to happen, I dont remember upto what dir iTunes uses, but if you are using F00,..,F99 you'd be hard pressed to get 100 files in each dir as it is. I'll bump the number it tries upto 999 anyway.

Im not particulary sure foo_pod has any duplicate filename handling anyway.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Axon on 2006-07-04 16:53:07
If I just want my AAC files' SoundCheck data set from their RG data, how would I go about doing that? I tried sending one to the iPod through foo_dop, then sending it through iTunes and rewriting the RG data and then the database from foo_dop. Neither worked.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: topdownjimmy on 2006-07-06 00:30:12
I sometimes get this error when unmounting:


iPodService Error: Invalid iPod Handle, Code: 8004E06A/-2147164054
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bsommer on 2006-07-06 03:39:23
two questions :

is there any way to get album art on my ipod using this plugin instead of itunes ?

The playlist "Ipod Media Library" is on my playlist switcher ...is it okay to delete this? There are no songs in it and i want to make sure it's safe to delete without messing my ipod up.

also...this doesnt have to do with the plugin but does anyone know how i can disable songs from remembering the spot they were last played so when i click on it it will start from the beginning on my ipod...not the last spot it was stopped.


THanks guys, great plugin , keep up the good work!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: magnusak on 2006-07-06 10:05:06
This plugin is great. For me now, there are two things missing for me to drop iTunes forever:

1. Ability to send videos to the iPod (doesn't matter if foobar cannot visualize them)
2. Some way of uploading podcasts to the iPod (and even better: download them from RSS feeds storing all data on the iPod itself, allowing for download from multiple locations).

Are any of these two features on your todo list?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Demonanya on 2006-07-06 17:37:15
I sometimes get this error when unmounting:


iPodService Error: Invalid iPod Handle, Code: 8004E06A/-2147164054


I sometimes get that as well but I think it's a known issue as it's in the wiki.  Whenever it happens I just use the Safely Remove Hardware option within XP and that works fine.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zyrill on 2006-07-06 18:37:17

I sometimes get this error when unmounting:


iPodService Error: Invalid iPod Handle, Code: 8004E06A/-2147164054


I sometimes get that as well but I think it's a known issue as it's in the wiki.  Whenever it happens I just use the Safely Remove Hardware option within XP and that works fine.


just disable the ipodservice - it's not needed anyway.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bsommer on 2006-07-06 23:31:43
two questions :

is there any way to get album art on my ipod using this plugin instead of itunes ?

The playlist "Ipod Media Library" is on my playlist switcher ...is it okay to delete this? There are no songs in it and i want to make sure it's safe to delete without messing my ipod up.

also...this doesnt have to do with the plugin but does anyone know how i can disable songs from remembering the spot they were last played so when i click on it it will start from the beginning on my ipod...not the last spot it was stopped.


THanks guys, great plugin , keep up the good work!


anyone?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zyrill on 2006-07-07 00:11:18

two questions :

is there any way to get album art on my ipod using this plugin instead of itunes ?

The playlist "Ipod Media Library" is on my playlist switcher ...is it okay to delete this? There are no songs in it and i want to make sure it's safe to delete without messing my ipod up.

also...this doesnt have to do with the plugin but does anyone know how i can disable songs from remembering the spot they were last played so when i click on it it will start from the beginning on my ipod...not the last spot it was stopped.


THanks guys, great plugin , keep up the good work!


anyone?


no, noone! stop bumping. and no, you can not change that behavior of your ipod. if you really need to, check out ipodlinux and please don't ask questions about it, i won't answer anyway. also, why don't you just try deleting that media library? what do you think the reset button is for?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Apo on 2006-07-07 00:20:02
no, noone! stop bumping. and no, you can not change that behavior of your ipod. if you really need to, check out ipodlinux and please don't ask questions about it, i won't answer anyway. also, why don't you just try deleting that media library? what do you think the reset button is for?


Don't be aggressive, we're all friends here


@ Questions:

No

Yes

Dunno
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-07-07 00:42:45
If I just want my AAC files' SoundCheck data set from their RG data, how would I go about doing that? I tried sending one to the iPod through foo_dop, then sending it through iTunes and rewriting the RG data and then the database from foo_dop. Neither worked.

If its an exisiting file, you need to make sure it has replaygain data, and run the "Reload iPod library metadata.." command. But that will also rewrite all the metadata to the database.

For new files, you just need to make sure they have replaygain data before sending them.

I sometimes get this error when unmounting:


iPodService Error: Invalid iPod Handle, Code: 8004E06A/-2147164054

Notes and changelog moved here (http://music.morbo.org/wiki/dop:start). Read them first!



I don't know what causes it. But I'll try and work around it.

two questions :

is there any way to get album art on my ipod using this plugin instead of itunes ?
No, sorry.

The playlist "Ipod Media Library" is on my playlist switcher ...is it okay to delete this? There are no songs in it and i want to make sure it's safe to delete without messing my ipod up.
You can do what you like with it

also...this doesnt have to do with the plugin but does anyone know how i can disable songs from remembering the spot they were last played so when i click on it it will start from the beginning on my ipod...not the last spot it was stopped.
Open iTunes, find the song on your iPod, right click, select "Get Info", and disable "Remember playback position".

This plugin is great. For me now, there are two things missing for me to drop iTunes forever:

1. Ability to send videos to the iPod (doesn't matter if foobar cannot visualize them)

But foobar needs to be able to handle them. AFAIK iPod videos may have extensions mov, mp4 and m4v. Out of those, I think only mp4 will load into foobar2000. But in foobar it just looks like an audio file, no? So either I would read the container myself, or hack it with metadata. They would need categorising anyway ("TV Show", "Music Video", im sure I saw "Movies" on the actual 5G iPod as well..), in fact categorising is the only thing that I really need to do. But its still a problem, because a file without those tags wll end up in the music list. For m4v, it could be assumed its video, but I'd need to get it loading into foobar first.

Ideally, it would also check if the video format is compatible with the iPod. But I don't see that happening.

2. Some way of uploading podcasts to the iPod (and even better: download them from RSS feeds storing all data on the iPod itself, allowing for download from multiple locations).
That's not really on my to-do list, sorry. I may look at it once I finished implementing what I wanted to do.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kl33per on 2006-07-07 05:10:53
firstly, thanks musicmusic for taking on this task.  Without you we wouldn't have a great UI (Columns) nor would we have iPod support in 0.9, so thank you.

However, I do have just one feature request before I can really start using this.  The field remapping feature from foo_pod is exceedingly useful.  Because the iPod doesn't support "Album Artist", I was using foo_pod to remap the %album artist% tag to %artist% so that I could browse my iPod and have artist/album working properly.  If you could add this to your todo list, I and anyone else who uses the %album artist% tag would be most appreciative.

Obviously I don't expect this to happen overnight, but if you could add to your list of wanted features to implemented at some future point, I would be most pleased.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zyrill on 2006-07-07 07:10:52
firstly, thanks musicmusic for taking on this task.  Without you we wouldn't have a great UI (Columns) nor would we have iPod support in 0.9, so thank you.

However, I do have just one feature request before I can really start using this.  The field remapping feature from foo_pod is exceedingly useful.  Because the iPod doesn't support "Album Artist", I was using foo_pod to remap the %album artist% tag to %artist% so that I could browse my iPod and have artist/album working properly.  If you could add this to your todo list, I and anyone else who uses the %album artist% tag would be most appreciative.

Obviously I don't expect this to happen overnight, but if you could add to your list of wanted features to implemented at some future point, I would be most pleased.

there's a feature request list here (http://music.morbo.org/wiki/dop:start#requests). It might be best to add it there...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kl33per on 2006-07-10 05:55:19
there's a feature request list here (http://music.morbo.org/wiki/dop:start#requests). It might be best to add it there...

Done, thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Klato on 2006-07-13 19:48:46
None of my files have replaygain information, and I don't plan on adding it (as I only have a USB 1.1 port and the thought of readding 3000+ files makes me want to cry). Is there any plan to implement a normal SoundCheck the way certain other programs do? (I never really understood replaygain or its advantage anyways)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mourner on 2006-07-13 19:59:20
I only have a USB 1.1 port and the thought of readding 3000+ files makes me want to cry). Is there any plan to implement a normal SoundCheck the way certain other programs do?


Yeah, I obviously second that! 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: david_dl on 2006-07-13 23:02:55
You could always use iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: FerdiV on 2006-07-14 12:43:19
"Album art integration (check for an image based on a set of rules (like foo_uie_albumart) and add as album art if present)"

That's what I read in the request list. Do u mean that it will be able to add album art so that it will be viewable on the iPod? Or else, how does iTunes add covers to the files? I'm a beginner with foobar and I don't understand very much, any help will be appreciated. I am trying to clone iTunes with Foobar

If it isn't possible to add cover art to the files, then why not? Could you explain this to me?

FerdiV
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zyrill on 2006-07-18 13:57:24
"Album art integration (check for an image based on a set of rules (like foo_uie_albumart) and add as album art if present)"

That's what I read in the request list. Do u mean that it will be able to add album art so that it will be viewable on the iPod? Or else, how does iTunes add covers to the files? I'm a beginner with foobar and I don't understand very much, any help will be appreciated. I am trying to clone iTunes with Foobar

If it isn't possible to add cover art to the files, then why not? Could you explain this to me?

FerdiV

it's theoretically possible, just not implemented... wait for musicmusic to catch his breath and he might add it - or do it yourself, after all, the sourcecode is available... i know that anapod is able to add album-art automatically but the rest of the software stinks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-07-20 00:23:05
Would custom field mapping and custom sorting be possible?

I use %STYLE% tags, and would like %STYLE% or %GENRE% - %STYLE% to be mapped to <GENRE>...
Also, I'd like to sort composers by last name...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zyrill on 2006-07-20 12:37:14
Quote
Also, I'd like to sort composers by last name...

that's what the foobar2000 scripting is there for. just read the manual.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-07-20 16:30:38
Quote

Also, I'd like to sort composers by last name...

that's what the foobar2000 scripting is there for. just read the manual.

on my iPod?...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zyrill on 2006-07-20 20:30:23
Quote
Quote

Quote

Also, I'd like to sort composers by last name...

that's what the foobar2000 scripting is there for. just read the manual.

on my iPod?...

how do you suppose a foobar-plugin can change the way your ipod sorts songs? and if you just want to make the last name appear first in the tags, that, in fact, is possible with scripts (although i'm rather confused why you would want to do that - after all, how would any AI know whether "Smashing Pumpkins" or "Michael Jackson" are names of artists or bands... and while "Jackson, Michael" my seem reasonable I myself wouldn't want to have "Pumpkins, Smashing" showing up under artists).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-07-20 21:40:38
Please note I did say I wanted COMPOSERS sorted.  They generally only have real names (eg. "Pink Floyd" isn't a composer").  I also don't want to change my tags on the files, but as is said in the Changelog (http://music.morbo.org/wiki/dop:start),
Quote
The sort order of tracks in the library on your iPod may be a bit different after rewrite.
I'm not sure your insisting behaviour and demeaning attitude is useful, at all.  If musicmusic isn't able to work this type of feature in, he'll mention it himself -- It seems he is able to make the iPod ignore "THE"s in front of artist names while sorting, though, so I'm guessing the sort order is fixed in the iPod Database (probably by key number or something -- I haven't looked at the reverse engineering work)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: prawns on 2006-07-20 23:34:51
...or do it yourself, after all, the sourcecode is available...
Ummm... and where might that be?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-07-21 00:24:52
However, I do have just one feature request before I can really start using this.  The field remapping feature from foo_pod is exceedingly useful.  Because the iPod doesn't support "Album Artist", I was using foo_pod to remap the %album artist% tag to %artist% so that I could browse my iPod and have artist/album working properly.  If you could add this to your todo list, I and anyone else who uses the %album artist% tag would be most appreciative.

I don't have anything against it. But the main problem is, the reload metadata function. On file formats foobar does not support or when the read otherwise fails, the old metadata read from the database will be kept. But I don't see any good method for foobar to tell me which files it failed on. So those files would end up being mapped again (since reverse mappings isn't going to work reliably either). If I can find a workaround or something then I don't mind implementing it. But like you say I don't plan to try and implement this anytime soon.

None of my files have replaygain information, and I don't plan on adding it (as I only have a USB 1.1 port and the thought of readding 3000+ files makes me want to cry). Is there any plan to implement a normal SoundCheck the way certain other programs do? (I never really understood replaygain or its advantage anyways)
I don't really understand. I don't use iTunes so I don't know how soundcheck differs from replaygain. But you can replaygain scan all the files on your iPod and do a reload metadata... from the iPod menu.

"Album art integration (check for an image based on a set of rules (like foo_uie_albumart) and add as album art if present)"

That's what I read in the request list. Do u mean that it will be able to add album art so that it will be viewable on the iPod? Or else, how does iTunes add covers to the files? I'm a beginner with foobar and I don't understand very much, any help will be appreciated. I am trying to clone iTunes with Foobar

If it isn't possible to add cover art to the files, then why not? Could you explain this to me?

FerdiV
3G iPod doesn't really support album art. So it would be difficult for me to implement it even if I wanted to.

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Would custom field mapping and custom sorting be possible?

I use %STYLE% tags, and would like %STYLE% or %GENRE% - %STYLE% to be mapped to <GENRE>...
Also, I'd like to sort composers by last name...

Custom sorting is possible to implement yes. Maybe one day.. for now you may as well put it in the feature requests list.. Custom field mappings is answered above.

...or do it yourself, after all, the sourcecode is available...
Ummm... and where might that be?
Maybe he meant foobar2000 SDK  Otherwise, source code sits on my hard drive..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-07-21 04:13:52
For custom field mapping, I was thinking : why not enable them only on transferring the file to the iPod?  Or on specific filetypes? (ie. mp3, m4a only)  Since foobar natively reads those files and their tags, there shouldn't be an issue with custom mapping, should there?

Or do you have to read the _whole_ database?  I presume you could filter by filetype -- the database must have filename in it somewhere...

Otherwise, if you share the ideas you've had with us, maybe we can all brainstorm together.

Thanks (and good luck!),
Tristan.

PS :  I have a few albums called "greatest hits" (by different artists) -- I'm not sure if this is possible, but can you tell the database not to display them all as being in same album "greatest hits" when loading the "albums" view?  Otherwise, I guess I'll have to change my tags...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mdhare007 on 2006-07-26 19:36:26
I just wanted to put in a second request for the replaygain 'pre-amp' option.  My reasons aren't for a volume limited IPod.  I mostly play the Ipod over a RoadTrip to an FM radio.  I've been keeping 2 copies of my files and using MP3Gain to set the "Ipod" copy to -97db.  Why do such a horrible thing?  Well, firstly, it's in the car, so fidelty isn't of the most concern.  Secondly, at -89db, the IPod dock output is so quiet that if I go back to FM radio accidentally, I end up taking a month off of my hearing since FM is WAY WAY louder than -89db.

* there was no science behind -97db; i picked it because at -98db almost 100% of my files clipped while at -97db only about 70% did.  That probably tells you alot about my cd collection and age!

-Michael
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: falconfox on 2006-07-30 15:50:39
I just wanted to put in a second request for the replaygain 'pre-amp' option.  My reasons aren't for a volume limited IPod.  I mostly play the Ipod over a RoadTrip to an FM radio.  I've been keeping 2 copies of my files and using MP3Gain to set the "Ipod" copy to -97db.  Why do such a horrible thing?  Well, firstly, it's in the car, so fidelty isn't of the most concern.  Secondly, at -89db, the IPod dock output is so quiet that if I go back to FM radio accidentally, I end up taking a month off of my hearing since FM is WAY WAY louder than -89db.

* there was no science behind -97db; i picked it because at -98db almost 100% of my files clipped while at -97db only about 70% did.  That probably tells you alot about my cd collection and age!

-Michael


I was just thinking the same thing...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: splint3r on 2006-08-08 07:54:00
Hi musicmusic,
Thanks for taking on this project, i only keep foobar2000 8.3 because it has foo_pod, it will be nice to have it all in one package.
I saw dynamic transcoding is already in the feature request list, i wonder how highly you rate the importance of such a function and if you have made any progress in this direction?
Cheers
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-08-08 11:34:42
Hi musicmusic,
Thanks for taking on this project, i only keep foobar2000 8.3 because it has foo_pod, it will be nice to have it all in one package.
I saw dynamic transcoding is already in the feature request list, i wonder how highly you rate the importance of such a function and if you have made any progress in this direction?
Cheers

Haha. I PMed him about a similar request  on custom field mapping.  No answer.  We're such leeches
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2006-08-08 14:59:56
Had another odd sorting bug.  The band ℃-ute is getting sorted under C instead of under symbols.  I checked the tag on my computer and it is using the UTF8 E28483 value in the tag for the precomposed ℃ symbol.  I suspect at some point in the transfer or indexing it's being decomposed to C + the degree symbol (U+00B0 + U+0043) with the degree symbol being ignored for the sorting.  I've noticed in the past that iTunes likes to always compose characters if it can even if there are precomposed versions for them in the unicode version you're using (it gets really annoying with kana), so it may be an effect from that.  All the files by that group were transferred with foo_dop though...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: clunesy on 2006-08-09 09:16:04
It does seem slow here (sorry if that's ungrateful). I'm prepared to help however I can - 5G testing, and of course cold hard $$$. Are you interested in donations, mm ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: funkyblue on 2006-08-12 04:17:00
I am wondering how

I am wondering how I can get this plugin to copy songs from my Ipod to my HD? Is there a way? I have YamiPod, but would really like to be able to do it all my ITunes...Thanks

P.S Why don't you rename your plugin to foo_pod, considering it picks up where the last author left off? I prefer that name

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: binkgle on 2006-08-12 04:31:36
P.S Why don't you rename your plugin to foo_pod, considering it picks up where the last author left off? I prefer that name


foo_pod is aero's plugin, and this is not aero's plugin, it is completely new.  as much as foo_pod is the more logical name, it's already been taken
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: funkyblue on 2006-08-12 04:36:57
Sure  I understand..

What about foo_podz ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vkeios on 2006-08-12 17:43:03
I am wondering how I can get this plugin to copy songs from my Ipod to my HD? Is there a way? I have YamiPod, but would really like to be able to do it all my ITunes...Thanks

Check this topic. http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=47320 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=47320)
It should apply to your situation.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chronial on 2006-08-14 03:56:43
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Notes about Mount/Unmount iPod commands:
* Requires iPodService to be installed. You can get this by installing the iPod Updater.
* Since the iPodService COM interface is undocumented, you use this entirely at your own risk.
* Seems to be somewhat temperamental currently, you may receive an “Invalid iPod Handle” error intermittently


You don't need the iPodService for unmounting - just use the windows remove removable stuff feature.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-08-14 04:12:42
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Notes about Mount/Unmount iPod commands:
* Requires iPodService to be installed. You can get this by installing the iPod Updater.
* Since the iPodService COM interface is undocumented, you use this entirely at your own risk.
* Seems to be somewhat temperamental currently, you may receive an “Invalid iPod Handle” error intermittently
You don't need the iPodService for unmounting - just use the windows remove removable stuff feature.
It's not actual unmounting. It's unproper and also cuts the power supply from the ipod, which unmounting doesn't.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chronial on 2006-08-14 04:55:45
Where have you heard that?
The windows removal flushes the cache and removes the drivers for the device - just like the ipod unmounting does. But the windows unmounting notifies the OS that is has done so (makes the icon in the taskbar disappear) - so it is even mor "proper" that the ipod unmounting.
I don't think it's possible at all at software-level to stop the usb power supply.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: david_dl on 2006-08-14 05:19:55
Where have you heard that?
The windows removal flushes the cache and removes the drivers for the device - just like the ipod unmounting does. But the windows unmounting notifies the OS that is has done so (makes the icon in the taskbar disappear) - so it is even mor "proper" that the ipod unmounting.
I don't think it's possible at all at software-level to stop the usb power supply.


iPodService definately has a special way of doing it. I only use firewire, as I don't have USB2.0, but with firewire, using the windows unmounting unmounts it permantly, ie. the only way to re-mount it is to reconnect it. However it keeps charging. But when iPodService unmounts it I can re-mount it whenever I without unplugging it or interrupting charging.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chronial on 2006-08-14 15:32:19
So the only difference is that the iPod unmount doesn't unmount completely but only certain layers of the driver - this stops you from beeing able to access the ipod, but it can be remounted.
But I don't see why windows unmounts the iPod unproperly - just because it unmounts it completely?

(For Firewire the same is true as for USB - the OS doesn't have control over the power supply the port provides)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-08-14 15:40:57
So the only difference is that the iPod unmount doesn't unmount completely but only certain layers of the driver - this stops you from beeing able to access the ipod, but it can be remounted.
But I don't see why windows unmounts the iPod unproperly - just because it unmounts it completely?

(For Firewire the same is true as for USB - the OS doesn't have control over the power supply the port provides)
I think iPodService polls the device to check that it isn't doing an operation, which windows unmount sometimes doesn't do... All I can tell you is that I've seen an iPod get fscked by unmouting it with windows.  It generally won't cause a problem if you're not doing anything, but I regard it as the same kind of thing as directly unplugging it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chronial on 2006-08-14 18:55:31
That's just not true. There are 2 reasons why you should never unplug a hard-disk (like the iPod as seen by windows) without unmounting it:
1. There might be a file opened by an aplication - if the file is written at the moment of unplugging, the file will get corrupt.
2. Even if no file is opened, all harddisks have a writing cache - that means even thought the application thinks it has written the file, windows hasn't. So you have to make sure the writing cache is empty before unplugging the device.

Windows does ensure that no file is locked and the writing cache is empty. You can try it: open a file with an application that locks it (lock != open). I think MS Word does - then try to windows-unmount it: error.

Suddenly removing the connectivity (not the power-supply) of a hard-disk should never affect the drive at all (but it may or quite probably will affect the data on it).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2006-08-15 14:50:37
I am wondering how I can get this plugin to copy songs from my Ipod to my HD? Is there a way? I have YamiPod, but would really like to be able to do it all my ITunes...Thanks :)

Install the plugin, connect your iPod, open foo, file->ipod->load library, go to the new playlist it creates, select all the songs you want to copy, right click->file operations->move, rename, or copy files, set it to copy and pick the naming format and destination you prefer, click Run.  That will copy them to your hard drive for you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: copperblue on 2006-08-20 10:44:24
Should foo_dop allow duplicate files to be copied to the iPod?

Thx.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: saratoga on 2006-08-20 22:18:18
2. Even if no file is opened, all harddisks have a writing cache - that means even thought the application thinks it has written the file, windows hasn't. So you have to make sure the writing cache is empty before unplugging the device.

Windows does ensure that no file is locked and the writing cache is empty. You can try it: open a file with an application that locks it (lock != open). I think MS Word does - then try to windows-unmount it: error.

Suddenly removing the connectivity (not the power-supply) of a hard-disk should never affect the drive at all (but it may or quite probably will affect the data on it).


Windows does not cache data on removeable disk drives by default.  Plug in your Ipod, goto Device manager and see for yourself.  Theres no harm to unplugging the ipod provided you know that nothing is writing to its database.  In foobar this is practically a nonissue since foobar only accesses the disk when you tell it to.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Kamil on 2006-08-21 20:42:02
Hello,

is it possible, with foo_dop or another plugin to set the soundcheck value to the replaygain value without having an ipod connected? Since the Information is stored in the file's metadata I don't see any reason why this feature is only available by copying the files to the ipod. Since foo_pod messed up my ipod database and all my rating and playing counters were lost i manage my ipod only by itunes but i'm looking for a tool which can set the soundcheck value to replaygain levels. Not only for using on ipod but also for playback in iTunes.

Anyone an idea?

Greetings, Kamil.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-08-21 21:37:29
I believe soundcheck is stored in a database, not in the files. As such, the answer would be 'no'.  Categorically. Sorry.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Kamil on 2006-08-22 00:45:30
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I believe soundcheck is stored in a database, not in the files. As such, the answer would be 'no'.  Categorically. Sorry.


The soundcheck vlaue is stored as a comment tag in the file´s metadata. It starts with "iTunNORM ....."

I found only one program that can set the soundcheck value to the replaygain value but it doesn´t work with m4a files and also has some problems with different kinds of ID3 tags. I tried to modify the source code to fit my files, but I only got it to work with mp3.

You can find it here:
http://uclc.info/ipod/ (http://uclc.info/ipod/)

For sure it would be much easier to make a separate option in foo_dop or foo_pod to equalize the values because it already seems to work.

Good Night, Kamil
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: saratoga on 2006-08-22 01:21:34
You'd probably have to have a modified mp4 parser to do that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TrNSZ on 2006-08-22 02:42:39
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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: saratoga on 2006-08-22 02:44:52
While that is the case, (and correct me if I'm wrong) the iPod does not actually read any metadata from the files, it uses the database. 

I may be wrong, but as far as I know, if the data isn't in the database, it doesn't matter what metadata exists in the files or not or what format it's in.  It means nothing when it comes to operation of the iPod.


Yeah, but I think he wants to import replaygain data into iTunes too, which will read the file tags.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Kamil on 2006-08-22 09:01:09

While that is the case, (and correct me if I'm wrong) the iPod does not actually read any metadata from the files, it uses the database. 

I may be wrong, but as far as I know, if the data isn't in the database, it doesn't matter what metadata exists in the files or not or what format it's in.  It means nothing when it comes to operation of the iPod.


Yeah, but I think he wants to import replaygain data into iTunes too, which will read the file tags.


That's the point. I want the files to have the right soundcheck value in the metadata corresponding to the replaygain value. Then I would transfer them to ipod with the standard itunes procedure. I just want iTunes to manage my ipod database instead of any other applications but with the corrected soundcheck values. If foo_dop olny changes the database entry without changing the metadata (because ipod apparent can't read it), I'm in the wrong thread 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: david_dl on 2006-08-22 09:14:27


While that is the case, (and correct me if I'm wrong) the iPod does not actually read any metadata from the files, it uses the database. 

I may be wrong, but as far as I know, if the data isn't in the database, it doesn't matter what metadata exists in the files or not or what format it's in.  It means nothing when it comes to operation of the iPod.


Yeah, but I think he wants to import replaygain data into iTunes too, which will read the file tags.


That's the point. I want the files to have the right soundcheck value in the metadata corresponding to the replaygain value. Then I would transfer them to ipod with the standard itunes procedure. I just want iTunes to manage my ipod database instead of any other applications but with the corrected soundcheck values. If foo_dop olny changes the database entry without changing the metadata (because ipod apparent can't read it), I'm in the wrong thread   


AFAIK foo_dop makes no modification to the files, at all.

You should back up your iTunesDB file, and try using foo_dop, if you haven't already. It is of a much higher  quality than foo_pod and you will probably find it does not mess up your database, and that you can scrap iTunes altogether (don't uninstall it though because the iPodService is useful)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Kamil on 2006-08-22 11:42:32
AFAIK foo_dop makes no modification to the files, at all.

You should back up your iTunesDB file, and try using foo_dop, if you haven't already. It is of a much higher  quality than foo_pod and you will probably find it does not mess up your database, and that you can scrap iTunes altogether (don't uninstall it though because the iPodService is useful)


Ok, I think, I'll take a look on foo_dop when I'm back from my vacations. The thing that was very disturbing for me using foo_pod is, that it doesn't have a multi column overview. iTunes has a great search function in my opinion and I also use very often the different sorting options, looking at the ratings, the play counter etc.

In foo_pod you can only see the files and everything else is available in the properties of each file. I am a big fan of foobar, especially because of it's ability to playback files in archives, but i never have more than a few albums at the same time in foobar. In contrast to that, I have now over 2500 files on my iPod and the iTunes interface is very helpful to keep an overview.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-08-22 13:46:44
In foo_pod you can only see the files and everything else is available in the properties of each file. I am a big fan of foobar, especially because of it's ability to playback files in archives, but i never have more than a few albums at the same time in foobar. In contrast to that, I have now over 2500 files on my iPod and the iTunes interface is very helpful to keep an overview.
Just set up a ColumnsUI formatting string and make your rating, etc. columns available...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ken-chan on 2006-08-22 15:49:38
Will there be a possibility to use MTP-compatible devices with this, or perhaps a similar plugin?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-08-22 16:10:39
Will there be a possibility to use MTP-compatible devices with this, or perhaps a similar plugin?

Just copy the files individually. it's mass-storage, anyways.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ken-chan on 2006-08-22 19:36:58
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' date='Aug 22 2006, 17:10' post='423285']

Will there be a possibility to use MTP-compatible devices with this, or perhaps a similar plugin?

Just copy the files individually. it's mass-storage, anyways.


Eh? Sorry, your post made 0 sence to me. I want to use Foobar to keep track of everything. Also, MPT isn't MSC at all - That's the entire thought behind it.

What if, per example, I were running an unservicepacked WinXP?  Not that I do, but there's Foobar, but no MTP (afaik).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2006-08-22 20:07:23
What if, per example, I were running an unservicepacked WinXP? :P Not that I do, but there's Foobar, but no MTP (afaik).

MTP on XP comes with WMP10, not any service packs.  Still wouldn't be on a machine with no updates and an original XP release installed.

As I understand it MTP is very different from how ipods work so it would be pretty unusual to see this plugin support it.  There are open source media players like Amarok that support MTP devices and libraris too like libmtp, so it shouldn't be impossible to make a foobar plugin to support them.  Just need to find a developr actually interested in doing it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ken-chan on 2006-08-22 22:48:11
Hm, all of them make mention of requiring Service pakc 1 or higher, though. Perhaps WMP10 is no go on WXPSP0? I do not know - I merely would love to sync using Foobar.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TrNSZ on 2006-08-23 04:11:13
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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Northpole on 2006-08-26 15:26:29
I'm not sure if this has been asked already but is their anyway to add or delete playlists from your ipod with foo_dop?

Does anybody know what the benefits are of having the ipod service installed.  I do not used it and have used foo_dop sucessfully?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: saratoga on 2006-08-27 18:11:06
I'm not sure if this has been asked already but is their anyway to add or delete playlists from your ipod with foo_dop?

Does anybody know what the benefits are of having the ipod service installed.  I do not used it and have used foo_dop sucessfully?


I think it just lets you use the unmount ipod command in foo_dop.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Northpole on 2006-08-28 16:06:26
@Mike

Thanks for the response.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-09-01 02:48:53
Bugreport : foo_dop seems to reset itunes specific tags in the database, i.e. "don't play when shuffling songs" -- is this possible?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: schroeder on 2006-09-10 23:22:40
After the initial sprint start the development seems to have come to a stop for while. Just out of curiosity, will the plugin ever leave alpha status? I have been using it for quite a while now and never had any problems with it. Great job! 

Chris
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: saratoga on 2006-09-11 02:36:07
I think musicmusic took the summer off, so once hes around again there may be more work on this plugin.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: schroeder on 2006-09-13 04:24:25
The iPod software has been updated to version 1.2...

Apparently they finally managed to implement...gapless playback! 

Well...thing is foo_dop seems to be incompatible with the new firmware. Mounting/Unmounting doesnt work anymore since the update.

Chris
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-09-15 00:39:18
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' date='Sep 1 2006, 02:48' post='426232']
Bugreport : foo_dop seems to reset itunes specific tags in the database, i.e. "don't play when shuffling songs" -- is this possible?
No its not meant to and shouldn't be doing that (at least the field you mention). I'll test myself later.

The iPod software has been updated to version 1.2...

Apparently they finally managed to implement...gapless playback! 

Well...thing is foo_dop seems to be incompatible with the new firmware. Mounting/Unmounting doesnt work anymore since the update.

Chris
Just don't use those commands. I will remove then from the next build, they are more trouble than they are worth.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-09-15 00:44:27
Yay! he's back!  All praise the great musicmusichammed.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: falconfox on 2006-09-15 17:20:30
I have used foo_dop for a while now. 2 days ago i formatted my ipod. then i used anapod to send 1 file to the ipod so there was a database file for foo_dop to find. then i sent the rest of my songs to my ipod. They are definitly on my ipod, i can see them all in the FXX folders. however, the ipod doesn't see them. even after using rebuild databse the songs do not show up. any idea why this is happening?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: slashjunior on 2006-09-15 18:14:08
It is a bit of a pain that foo_pod isn't supported with 0.9. I didn't like iTunes so I uninstalled it and used foo_pod exclusively. I will test foo_dop but I am in the process of moving house, so reluctantly I have downloaded and installed iTunes again as a temporary measure. Hopefully when I get settled in I can remove iTunes again and continue with 100% foobar2000.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-09-15 18:44:40
I have used foo_dop for a while now. 2 days ago i formatted my ipod. then i used anapod to send 1 file to the ipod so there was a database file for foo_dop to find. then i sent the rest of my songs to my ipod. They are definitly on my ipod, i can see them all in the FXX folders. however, the ipod doesn't see them. even after using rebuild databse the songs do not show up. any idea why this is happening?

Sounds like corrupted/invalid database. But usually foo_dop would fix that when re-writing if it can actually read the DB.

Does foo_dop see the songs when you use its load library feature?

You could try starting the DB off with a different program. Next version of foo_dop has a feature to "prepare" a blank ipod (makes empty database) so can use it with foo_dop.

Otherwise, I heard of some issue like this with rockbox and latest ipod nano firmware.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: falconfox on 2006-09-16 00:40:46

I have used foo_dop for a while now. 2 days ago i formatted my ipod. then i used anapod to send 1 file to the ipod so there was a database file for foo_dop to find. then i sent the rest of my songs to my ipod. They are definitly on my ipod, i can see them all in the FXX folders. however, the ipod doesn't see them. even after using rebuild databse the songs do not show up. any idea why this is happening?

Sounds like corrupted/invalid database. But usually foo_dop would fix that when re-writing if it can actually read the DB.

Does foo_dop see the songs when you use its load library feature?

You could try starting the DB off with a different program. Next version of foo_dop has a feature to "prepare" a blank ipod (makes empty database) so can use it with foo_dop.

Otherwise, I heard of some issue like this with rockbox and latest ipod nano firmware.


AAHHHH. The reason i formatted my ipod was because i had rockbox on it! I thought i completely uninstalled it however. Well i am patiently waiting for the next version with blank database option. BTW, foo_dop does NOT see the files when it loads the ipod playlist. it only see the single file transfered via anapod. Hope this helps...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Axon on 2006-09-16 02:20:29
Couple things.

Excellent work btw
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-09-18 00:01:56
  • Gapless playback seems to break when uploading through foo_dop. ie, if I encode with iTunes AAC, and upload the tracks through iTunes, gapless is preserved, but if I upload through foo_dop, gapless is broken.


Of course, current version of foo_dop doesn't write the gapless info to the iTunesDB.

The good news is I've taken a look at the iTunesDB generated by iTunes 7 and worked out where the gapless info seems to go.

Bad news: One of the fields is "byte offset from the first audio frame to the 8th-from-last audio frame" (the explaination I found here (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=48231&view=findpost&p=430981)). I don't think I can calculate that using interfaces from foobar2000 SDK. Well maybe I can by messing around with input interfaces, I'll give it a try at least, but it would be slooow.

Other data (encoder delay, encoder padding) I can pull from tech info. But I think that they are only populated for LAME encoded MP3s. I don't know about Nero enocoded MP4s (Let alone iTunes/Quicktime MP4s). Its also a problem if the fields get renamed in future version of foobar2000 like some other ones.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PokéParadox on 2006-09-19 13:41:36
Hi, this is my first post here, but I've been lurking for years. I registered to make a suggestion.
First up, thanks musicmusic for this great component, it really is a great help in minimising the amount of time I have to use iTunes.

My suggestion is: For MP4 Videos, instead of worry about whether the mp4 IS in fact a video. Why not just add an option: "Send Mp4 as Video" and leave it with the user?

I thik this makes sense, because people who want to use foobar will have to convert their videos to the correct format (if they are not using iTunes) So they should already know which files are videos...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-09-19 16:57:44
since everyone is throwing there $0.02 in; i will as well.

first. Music- it's very nice to have you back. and i'll alwyas be grateful for the work you're doing.

second. i would love to see playlist management implemented before gapless, video, and the other bells and whistles that apple decided to put into iTunes 7. obviously others will want the bells and whistles but hey, that's why this is only worth 2 cents.

again thanks for all the work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-09-22 14:14:41
My suggestion is: For MP4 Videos, instead of worry about whether the mp4 IS in fact a video. Why not just add an option: "Send Mp4 as Video" and leave it with the user?

Yes, it would work for MP4. I'll consider it.

second. i would love to see playlist management implemented before gapless, video, and the other bells and whistles that apple decided to put into iTunes 7. obviously others will want the bells and whistles but hey, that's why this is only worth 2 cents.

Well, yes adding gapless isn't as straighforward as I would have hoped. It doesn't help I don't have a compatible iPod to test it.

Next version will have better compatiblility with iTunes 7. So at least you can use iTunes for gapless scanning and foo_dop won't undo it. It also uses metadata from the files (and keeps a cache) rather than using the metadata from the iPod's database for display in foobar2000. Its slower (especially first time) but at least allows for possibility of metadata field mappings in the future (and it works beter in general..).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Skates on 2006-09-26 16:40:22
musicmusic with iTunes 7 adding gapless playback to the iPod, is their any chance for you to add support for auto track splitting.  I have many mixes that are in CUE+MP3 format, and it would be great if foo_dop could use the CUE to split the one big MP3 file into multiple tracks with the proper gaplass data.

Would this even be possible with foobar2000?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-09-26 17:01:56
It would be great if foo_dop could use the CUE to split the one big MP3 file into multiple tracks with the proper gaplass data.

Would this even be possible with foobar2000?
I don't think it is...

I have an additional request, though.  Is there any way we could transfert rating tags to the ipod ML, and if so, what format should they be in?  1-5? 0-100?
Do you know if it would be possible to code (easily) a piece of software that took the itunesML rating info and pushed it as metadata on the ipod?

Also, for smart playlists, are they automatically generated on the iPod at every load?  I thought I noticed them being created on iTunes, and transferred as regular playlists.  If that's the case, perhaps we could send autoplaylists as playlists on the iPod?

Will iPod sync in iTunes undo anything foo_dop has done, in case of further metadata rehandling?

Thanks for your time,
Tristan.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: clunesy on 2006-09-27 10:19:26
I f**kin' hate the new gapless feature !!! You can't disable it anywhere. It wades straight in and screws any custom tags you might have created with foo_pod. Is there any word on making custom tags with TAGZ using foo_dop ? I can't wait !

'Add as video' would be great - its the only reason I'm using itunes in the first place. Even then it's such slow sh1t. Tell you what itunes - just load it to the pod and let me worry about compatibility.  AARRRGH. iTunes is absolutely anathema to iPod. How can one be so great, and one so awful. New 5.1G pods are actually a step back too. Much slower to load, and to locate files to playback

cheers

Niels
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-09-27 11:03:20
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' date='Sep 26 2006, 17:01' post='435268']
I have an additional request, though.  Is there any way we could transfert rating tags to the ipod ML, and if so, what format should they be in?  1-5? 0-100?

0-5 I think.

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' date='Sep 26 2006, 17:01' post='435268']
Do you know if it would be possible to code (easily) a piece of software that took the itunesML rating info and pushed it as metadata on the ipod?
I don't understand.

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' date='Sep 26 2006, 17:01' post='435268']
Also, for smart playlists, are they automatically generated on the iPod at every load?

No Idea, sorry.

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' date='Sep 26 2006, 17:01' post='435268']
If that's the case, perhaps we could send autoplaylists as playlists on the iPod?
No Autoplaylist API => Not possible

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' date='Sep 26 2006, 17:01' post='435268']
Will iPod sync in iTunes undo anything foo_dop has done, in case of further metadata rehandling?
Yes, maybe even including deleting all your songs sent by foo_dop from your iPod.

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' date='Sep 26 2006, 17:01' post='435268']
Thanks for your time,
Tristan.
You're welcome


I f**kin' hate the new gapless feature !!! You can't disable it anywhere. It wades straight in and screws any custom tags you might have created with foo_pod.
Yes, I noticed it rewrites all the metadata in the DB also 

But foo_dop 0.3.0 TEST will be released soon. Then after iTunes has done it once, it shouldn't do it again (until you send more files using foo_dop..)



Is there any word on making custom tags with TAGZ using foo_dop ? I can't wait !
It would be easy to add after 0.3.0. Maybe for 0.3.1. Only configuration is worrying, there are quite a few fields these days..

'Add as video' would be great - its the only reason I'm using itunes in the first place.

Now I bought a "5.5G" iPod Video it could be more motivation for me to add it

BTW do you find that the games (e.g. breakout) go jerky during MP3 playback?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-09-27 14:29:44
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' date='Sep 26 2006, 17:01' post='435268']
I have an additional request, though.  Is there any way we could transfer rating tags to the ipod ML, and if so, what format should they be in?  1-5? 0-100?

0-5 I think.

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' date='Sep 26 2006, 17:01' post='435268']
Do you know if it would be possible to code (easily) a piece of software that took the itunesML rating info and pushed it as metadata on the ipod?
I don't understand.

BTW do you find that the games (e.g. breakout) go jerky during MP3 playback?

I'll start this from the bottom : I haven't heard any reports saying that custom games lagged, whether during playback or not.  Most games actually include their own music tracks which they play.

About the rest, I looked a bit in my iTunes Music Library.xml file, and found this type of entry :
Code: [Select]
<dict>
            <key>Track ID</key><integer>2768</integer>
            <key>Name</key><string>Polonaise In A Major - Op.40, No.1</string>
            <key>Artist</key><string>Frédéric Chopin</string>
            <key>Composer</key><string>Frédéric Chopin</string>
            <key>Album</key><string>Chopin Polonaises</string>
            <key>Genre</key><string>Classical (Romantic)</string>
            <key>Kind</key><string>MPEG audio file</string>
            <key>Size</key><integer>8380839</integer>
            <key>Total Time</key><integer>388048</integer>
            <key>Track Number</key><integer>3</integer>
            <key>Track Count</key><integer>7</integer>
            <key>Year</key><integer>1992</integer>
            <key>Date Modified</key><date>2006-09-16T09:04:50Z</date>
            <key>Date Added</key><date>2006-09-16T05:46:37Z</date>
            <key>Bit Rate</key><integer>172</integer>
            <key>Sample Rate</key><integer>44100</integer>
            <key>Rating</key><integer>60</integer>
            <key>Persistent ID</key><string>536B531104D46EFB</string>
            <key>Track Type</key><string>File</string>
            <key>Location</key><string>file://localhost/K:/blablabla.mp3</string>
            <key>File Folder Count</key><integer>5</integer>
            <key>Library Folder Count</key><integer>1</integer>


As you can see, the rating seems to be 100-based (and this is the only place it's stored);  However, I read that the id3v2 spec has a specific tag for the rating to be stored that goes from 0 to 255; I was wondering if there was any way to make a program which would take the iTunes Media Library.xml file, parse it, and put the appropriate rating tag in each file.  Also, I was wondering what was the best way to store the rating inside the said file?  Should we go up to 255 as per the spec?  Use a custom scale? (255 = 100; 204 = 80, etc.)

Pick a way for my rating tags to be organised and I'll set them that way;  I'm only preocuppied foobar2000 will interpret the data as garbage if it's not properly done, so I thought this might have to be a joint effort.

If id3v2.4 uses a single byte to store the rating, it should be easy to store and read, but I only hope foobar doesn't display something like "¨" for 168, or "ÿ" for 255...
Thanks once again,
Tristan.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: clunesy on 2006-09-27 15:43:20
[quote name='clunesy' post='435566' date='Sep 27 2006, 10:19']
Is there any word on making custom tags with TAGZ using foo_dop ? I can't wait ![/quote]It would be easy to add after 0.3.0. Maybe for 0.3.1. Only configuration is worrying, there are quite a few fields these days..

[quote name='clunesy' post='435566' date='Sep 27 2006, 10:19']
'Add as video' would be great - its the only reason I'm using itunes in the first place. [/quote]
Now I bought a "5.5G" iPod Video it could be more motivation for me to add it

BTW do you find that the games (e.g. breakout) go jerky during MP3 playback?
[/quote]

I find them much more unresponsive across the board, a bit of a disappointing 'upgrade' really. They're definitely slower to fill with files across USB 2.0 - I have high hopes for next years widescreen model, but hey - if Sony comes in first with an HD-based player, I have no particular loyalty ! Thanks for your reply, will look forward to TAGZ / 'load as video' developments.

Niels

PS Really wish I could get the hang of this quoting business.......
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-09-27 16:42:36
Quote
' date='Sep 27 2006, 14:29' post='435622']
I'll start this from the bottom : I haven't heard any reports saying that custom games lagged, whether during playback or not.  Most games actually include their own music tracks which they play.

I meant Brick sorry, its one of the included games. During playback, that lags, and also on the now playing screen, if the title long enough so it scrolls then there is some jerkyness there too (during playback). Pause and both problems go away. I'll see if I can dig anything up about it..

Quote
' date='Sep 27 2006, 14:29' post='435622']About the rest, I looked a bit in my iTunes Music Library.xml file, and found this type of entry :
Code: [Select]
<dict>
            <key>Track ID</key><integer>2768</integer>
            <key>Name</key><string>Polonaise In A Major - Op.40, No.1</string>
            <key>Artist</key><string>Frédéric Chopin</string>
            <key>Composer</key><string>Frédéric Chopin</string>
            <key>Album</key><string>Chopin Polonaises</string>
            <key>Genre</key><string>Classical (Romantic)</string>
            <key>Kind</key><string>MPEG audio file</string>
            <key>Size</key><integer>8380839</integer>
            <key>Total Time</key><integer>388048</integer>
            <key>Track Number</key><integer>3</integer>
            <key>Track Count</key><integer>7</integer>
            <key>Year</key><integer>1992</integer>
            <key>Date Modified</key><date>2006-09-16T09:04:50Z</date>
            <key>Date Added</key><date>2006-09-16T05:46:37Z</date>
            <key>Bit Rate</key><integer>172</integer>
            <key>Sample Rate</key><integer>44100</integer>
            <key>Rating</key><integer>60</integer>
            <key>Persistent ID</key><string>536B531104D46EFB</string>
            <key>Track Type</key><string>File</string>
            <key>Location</key><string>file://localhost/K:/blablabla.mp3</string>
            <key>File Folder Count</key><integer>5</integer>
            <key>Library Folder Count</key><integer>1</integer>


As you can see, the rating seems to be 100-based (and this is the only place it's stored);  However, I read that the id3v2 spec has a specific tag for the rating to be stored that goes from 0 to 255; I was wondering if there was any way to make a program which would take the iTunes Media Library.xml file, parse it, and put the appropriate rating tag in each file.  Also, I was wondering what was the best way to store the rating inside the said file?  Should we go up to 255 as per the spec?  Use a custom scale? (255 = 100; 204 = 80, etc.)

Pick a way for my rating tags to be organised and I'll set them that way;  I'm only preocuppied foobar2000 will interpret the data as garbage if it's not properly done, so I thought this might have to be a joint effort.

I think on several levels its not practical to rate files on a scale of 1-255. If we are talking about the id3v2 Popularimeter/POPM field then scaling the rating upto 255 would probably be better for compatibility looking at what the spec says. On the other hand, if you use the same scale for all of your files I don't think it would cause a problem. I would personally just stick to rating files from 1-5.

In terms of tagging, iTunes has a COM API available and so does foobar2000 through foo_comserver2. So I would imagine you could write a script in whatever you fancy to copy the ratings over if you want/that is what you want to do (I'm not sure).

Quote
' date='Sep 27 2006, 14:29' post='435622']If id3v2.4 uses a single byte to store the rating, it should be easy to store and read, but I only hope foobar doesn't display something like "¨" for 168, or "ÿ" for 255...
Thanks once again,
Tristan.
If foobar2000 did that, it would be a bug. But does it even use the POPM field?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vkeios on 2006-09-27 16:43:19
0-5 I think.

Rating for itunes is 0-100. And I assume ipod would be the same.

Now I bought a "5.5G" iPod Video it could be more motivation for me to add it

BTW do you find that the games (e.g. breakout) go jerky during MP3 playback?

Congrads. And I've noticed a bit of jerky-ness too.


And do you have any plans for podcasts?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-09-27 16:52:14

0-5 I think.

Rating for itunes is 0-100. And I assume ipod would be the same.

Correct, the iPod uses the range 0-100. I'm not sure what ShadeST was asking now but I meant if you want to ratings to be transfered into the iPod DB when sending songs using foo_dop the source files should be tagged on a 0-5 scale.


Now I bought a "5.5G" iPod Video it could be more motivation for me to add it

BTW do you find that the games (e.g. breakout) go jerky during MP3 playback?

Congrads. And I've noticed a bit of jerky-ness too.
Yeah, I'm not willing to beleive there is something wrong with my iPod.

And do you have any plans for podcasts?
Not ATM, sorry.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-09-27 16:56:36
i have to re-populate my ipod- is the next test version of foo_dop anytime soon?

i'm not asking to add pressure or demand- i'm just 100% curious.

if it'll be a while- i'll just use the current version.

should i wait?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-09-27 17:53:47
Okay. Last question name.  What exact field name should we use for RATING?  Will it be mapped to POPM (should I ask the fb2k team about this?)

Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Cutter on 2006-09-27 22:45:34
Hi, I don't have an iPod but would like to know how this component works.
What does this mean:
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You need your iPod connected and mounted as a removable hard drive for the component to work. If you have iTunes or the iPod Updater installed you can do this from within the component.

Do I need to have iTunes installed in order to use the component, and if not, how to make the computer see the iPod as a removable hard drive? I thought the iPod wasn't an UMS device.
Does this component work with the new iPods nano?

Thanks in advance.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-09-27 22:52:13
i have to re-populate my ipod- is the next test version of foo_dop anytime soon?

i'm not asking to add pressure or demand- i'm just 100% curious.

if it'll be a while- i'll just use the current version.

should i wait?

I released it now: 0.3.0 TEST (http://music.morbo.org/download/unstable/foo_dop-0.3.0-TEST.7z)

See changelog (http://music.morbo.org/wiki/dop:start) first!

It does seem to actually stop iTunes doing its gapless rescans altogether actually. I guess it is related to the database version.

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' date='Sep 27 2006, 17:53' post='435699']
Okay. Last question name.  What exact field name should we use for RATING?
I don't know but so far I've been using RATING. foo_dop uses RATING.

Quote
' date='Sep 27 2006, 17:53' post='435699']Will it be mapped to POPM (should I ask the fb2k team about this?)
Yes to the latter  Or test yourself - add that field to a file using another prog and see if it shows up in foobar2000.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-09-27 23:17:45
Hi, I don't have an iPod but would like to know how this component works.
What does this mean:
Quote
You need your iPod connected and mounted as a removable hard drive for the component to work. If you have iTunes or the iPod Updater installed you can do this from within the component.

Do I need to have iTunes installed in order to use the component, and if not, how to make the computer see the iPod as a removable hard drive? I thought the iPod wasn't an UMS device.

iTunes gives you an option: 'Enable disk use'. If you enable 'Manually manage music...' in iTunes then disk use is forced. But yes then it shows up as a USB Mass Storage Device (if you connect it via USB ).

Do you needs iTunes (to get disk mode)? I forget. But I don't think you would be able to avoid iTunes these days - its now used to update the iPod firmware, reset it to defaults etc.

Does this component work with the new iPods nano?

Thanks in advance.
I don't see why not.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: elishnevsky on 2006-09-28 19:08:41
May I add a couple of requests? 

1. Ability to mark certain tracks as 'Skip during Shuffle' the way iTunes does it.
2. Ability to remeber track position of certain tracks, again, like iTunes.

I have absolutely no idea how hard or easy it is to implement these features, just thought might be nice to have. What made me ask for these features is the fact that I listen to audiobooks in mp3 format pretty often

Thank you and keep it up!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-09-29 00:59:46
Hi musicmusic,

Though I have not throughly tested the "Test" version, the normal functions are all working as expected. One thing though, it seems that loading the the library was not only slow the first time around, but is slow with every loading. It searches through every folder "F00-F99" with every "Load Library" command. Is that expected behavior? I ask this because the Change Log states "Changed metadata loading mechanisms for “Load library” etc.; metadata now loaded directly from files and cached in a file in the route folder of your iPod. First load of library will be slow." Thanks again for sharing foo_dop with us all.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-09-29 01:31:19
Hi musicmusic,

Though I have not throughly tested the "Test" version, the normal functions are all working as expected. One thing though, it seems that loading the the library was not only slow the first time around, but is slow with every loading. It searches through every folder "F00-F99" with every "Load Library" command. Is that expected behavior? I ask this because the Change Log states "Changed metadata loading mechanisms for “Load library” etc.; metadata now loaded directly from files and cached in a file in the route folder of your iPod. First load of library will be slow." Thanks again for sharing foo_dop with us all.

Yes, he already mentionned this. It will be much slower, but will allow reconstruction of the database from file metadata, and custom field attribution.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-09-29 03:32:00
Quote
' date='Sep 28 2006, 20:31' post='436172']

Hi musicmusic,

Though I have not throughly tested the "Test" version, the normal functions are all working as expected. One thing though, it seems that loading the the library was not only slow the first time around, but is slow with every loading. It searches through every folder "F00-F99" with every "Load Library" command. Is that expected behavior? I ask this because the Change Log states "Changed metadata loading mechanisms for “Load library” etc.; metadata now loaded directly from files and cached in a file in the route folder of your iPod. First load of library will be slow." Thanks again for sharing foo_dop with us all.

Yes, he already mentionned this. It will be much slower, but will allow reconstruction of the database from file metadata, and custom field attribution.

Well, the change log says the "First load of library will be slow.", not all loads of library will be slow. That's why I asked. When I saw "FIRST", I only expected it to happen once, not all the time. It's not a problem for me, I just wanted clarification that it is expected behavior.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-09-29 10:57:50
First load wil be very slow (minutes?) as it reads all the metadata. Subsequent loads should be much faster (if you didn't add any new files, about several secs) as it loads metadata from the cache. But it still shows the screen going through each file / Fxx dir. Its slower than before in all cases. Caching by Windows will affect subsequent load times too.

If subsequent loads are like the very first load, check that the cache is being built (metadata_cache.fpl playlist in root dir of your iPod).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Idec Sdawkminn on 2006-10-03 07:45:10
First of all, thanks for working on this. I don't mind iTunes, but this one can take my ReplayGain data and convert it into volume control on the iPod, which is what I was looking for.

It seems to work fine, however, I'd like if they retained the same order as they are in my foobar playlist instead of being sorted by artist or whatnot. How would I do this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PokéParadox on 2006-10-03 12:11:22
I think you just send a playlist to the pod...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Idec Sdawkminn on 2006-10-04 02:19:21
The only way I have found to add anything to the iPod is to right-click the song and click "Send to iPod". I can right-click the playlist tab and click the same thing, but it will just send all the songs on the playlist, but without retaining the same order.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Scidd0w on 2006-10-07 13:36:00
I just tested 0.30 and everything works very smoothly musicmusic!
Adding / deleting / rewrite ipod database / reload info from metadata all work way fine.
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First load wil be very slow (minutes?) as it reads all the metadata. Subsequent loads should be much faster (if you didn't add any new files, about several secs) as it loads metadata from the cache.

It wasnt even very slow. just slow.  But yeah after the first time it went quite fast again. For me not a problem at all!
I have a iPod Video 5G (not on newest firmware yet) btw.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: nilsHaus on 2006-10-23 23:24:02
Downloaded. I'll tell you how it works

I have a 3G (touch wheel, blue backlight) iPod, and I've used iTunes 6 until my computer crashed. This computer has iTunes 4.1.1 but I haven'te used it with it yet.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Slotos on 2006-10-27 11:11:08
I don't know but so far I've been using RATING. foo_dop uses RATING.


Will foo_dop pick up the RATING tag from foo_custominfo?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Coppertop on 2006-10-28 16:39:09
Does anyone have this component working in Windows Vista? My iPod works fine in iTunes and Yamipod, but foo_dop can't find the iPod (No iPod found!). I need to know if this is a Vista problem or just something in my setup.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-10-28 23:08:00
I don't know but so far I've been using RATING. foo_dop uses RATING.


Will foo_dop pick up the RATING tag from foo_custominfo?
I don't think so. As I remember, that component uses titleformatting hooks to give access to its fields? There is no titleformatting here. It uses metadata. But maybe it would work with titleformatting based field mappings when they are added.

Does anyone have this component working in Windows Vista? My iPod works fine in iTunes and Yamipod, but foo_dop can't find the iPod (No iPod found!). I need to know if this is a Vista problem or just something in my setup.
You are right, it doesn't work in Vista. I can second guess why, but thanks for the report.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Coppertop on 2006-10-28 23:30:45
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Does anyone have this component working in Windows Vista? My iPod works fine in iTunes and Yamipod, but foo_dop can't find the iPod (No iPod found!). I need to know if this is a Vista problem or just something in my setup.
You are right, it doesn't work in Vista. I can second guess why, but thanks for the report.


Ah, too bad. If you need someone to test/experiment, let met know. Yamipod will have to do for now
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Prodoc on 2006-10-31 14:13:21
is it possible, with foo_dop or another plugin to set the soundcheck value to the replaygain value without having an ipod connected? Since the Information is stored in the file's metadata I don't see any reason why this feature is only available by copying the files to the ipod.

musicmusic, any comments on this? The ability to write the sound check value to the tags is exactly what I'm looking for. I simply do not trust iTunes changing my tags.
Also, currently you store the sound check values in the db on the iPod. What will happen to these values if you open up iTunes afterwards and perform the necessary synchronisations? I assume you'd have to have Sound Check enabled in iTunes to keep the info? If this is the case, won't iTunes start analysing all the files by itself since the info won't be present in the tags yet?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: saratoga on 2006-10-31 15:14:55
is it possible, with foo_dop or another plugin to set the soundcheck value to the replaygain value without having an ipod connected? Since the Information is stored in the file's metadata I don't see any reason why this feature is only available by copying the files to the ipod.

musicmusic, any comments on this?


I'm pretty sure foo_dop doesn't write any tags at all, so I don't think it can do what you want.  It just updates the Ipod's database.  If you want soundcheck values written out to the ID3v2 tag, you'd probably need to update the ID3v2 writer.

Also, currently you store the sound check values in the db on the iPod. What will happen to these values if you open up iTunes afterwards and perform the necessary synchronisations? I assume you'd have to have Sound Check enabled in iTunes to keep the info? If this is the case, won't iTunes start analysing all the files by itself since the info won't be present in the tags yet?


I don't think iTunes will delete information out of the Ipod's database, but I haven't tried it.  However, it would take maybe 2 minutes for you to load itunes and try it, so I suggest you do that.  Worst case, you can tell foo_dop to delete and rewrite the Ipod database.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Prodoc on 2006-10-31 16:26:54

is it possible, with foo_dop or another plugin to set the soundcheck value to the replaygain value without having an ipod connected? Since the Information is stored in the file's metadata I don't see any reason why this feature is only available by copying the files to the ipod.

musicmusic, any comments on this?


I'm pretty sure foo_dop doesn't write any tags at all, so I don't think it can do what you want.  It just updates the Ipod's database.  If you want soundcheck values written out to the ID3v2 tag, you'd probably need to update the ID3v2 writer.

I know it can't write tags at the moment but will it in the future?


Also, currently you store the sound check values in the db on the iPod. What will happen to these values if you open up iTunes afterwards and perform the necessary synchronisations? I assume you'd have to have Sound Check enabled in iTunes to keep the info? If this is the case, won't iTunes start analysing all the files by itself since the info won't be present in the tags yet?


I don't think iTunes will delete information out of the Ipod's database, but I haven't tried it.  However, it would take maybe 2 minutes for you to load itunes and try it, so I suggest you do that.  Worst case, you can tell foo_dop to delete and rewrite the Ipod database.

No, worst case, I'll loose everything on my iPod. Because of that I'd like to know what will happen before I try it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: saratoga on 2006-10-31 20:37:43


is it possible, with foo_dop or another plugin to set the soundcheck value to the replaygain value without having an ipod connected? Since the Information is stored in the file's metadata I don't see any reason why this feature is only available by copying the files to the ipod.

musicmusic, any comments on this?


I'm pretty sure foo_dop doesn't write any tags at all, so I don't think it can do what you want.  It just updates the Ipod's database.  If you want soundcheck values written out to the ID3v2 tag, you'd probably need to update the ID3v2 writer.

I know it can't write tags at the moment but will it in the future?


foo_dop?  No, the ID3v2 tag writer does that.  Talk to peter about updating it in future foobar releases.  I don't even think plugins are allowed to write ID3 tags, even if a developer wanted to.



Also, currently you store the sound check values in the db on the iPod. What will happen to these values if you open up iTunes afterwards and perform the necessary synchronisations? I assume you'd have to have Sound Check enabled in iTunes to keep the info? If this is the case, won't iTunes start analysing all the files by itself since the info won't be present in the tags yet?


I don't think iTunes will delete information out of the Ipod's database, but I haven't tried it.  However, it would take maybe 2 minutes for you to load itunes and try it, so I suggest you do that.  Worst case, you can tell foo_dop to delete and rewrite the Ipod database.

No, worst case, I'll loose everything on my iPod. Because of that I'd like to know what will happen before I try it.


I'd say the worst case is that your Ipod explodes and kills you.  If you mean the worst case thats remotely likely to happen, I'd say that would be that your database gets corrupted.  In which case, you rewrite it with foo_dop, which takes about 1 minute to do.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-10-31 23:27:53
Also, currently you store the sound check values in the db on the iPod. What will happen to these values if you open up iTunes afterwards and perform the necessary synchronisations? I assume you'd have to have Sound Check enabled in iTunes to keep the info? If this is the case, won't iTunes start analysing all the files by itself since the info won't be present in the tags yet?
It seems to leave the Soundcheck data intact in the database after it decides to rewrite it (which is randomly). Other data (metadata etc.) does get replaced with iTunes-read versions though. I don't have Soundcheck enabled in iTunes however.



is it possible, with foo_dop or another plugin to set the soundcheck value to the replaygain value without having an ipod connected? Since the Information is stored in the file's metadata I don't see any reason why this feature is only available by copying the files to the ipod.

musicmusic, any comments on this?


I'm pretty sure foo_dop doesn't write any tags at all, so I don't think it can do what you want.  It just updates the Ipod's database.  If you want soundcheck values written out to the ID3v2 tag, you'd probably need to update the ID3v2 writer.

I know it can't write tags at the moment but will it in the future?

I don't think its possible to make foobar2000 write the souncheck info to MP3 and probably MP4 files in a way iTunes will understand it, even if I wanted to.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: iElectric on 2006-11-05 09:57:58
musicmusic, do you have any plans on function to make playlist on ipod and assign the music files to it?

Thanks for the great plugin!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2006-11-05 23:17:01
does any1 else get the pop up saying

"there is no disk in the drive. Please insert a disk into drive \Device\Harddisk4\DR8

XP
4th gen ipod 40gb
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jumpman on 2006-11-06 21:30:24
Hi and thanks for the plugin, but 2 questions?
Why on the version 3.0 there are not the "umount" and "mount" as the version 2.9?
Why foo_dop allow duplicate files to be copied to the iPod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: david_dl on 2006-11-07 01:17:13
Hi and thanks for the plugin, but 2 questions?
Why on the version 3.0 there are not the "umount" and "mount" as the version 2.9?

They didn't work properly, and were redundant as windows already offers this functionality.
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Why foo_dop allow duplicate files to be copied to the iPod?


How is it supposed to know they're duplicate without comparing them bit by bit with every other song on the ipod?

You can use 'Find on iPod', or 'Check if up-to-date on iPod' before sending files
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Slotos on 2006-11-10 14:11:53
5.5g iPod 80Gb, everything works fine, looking forward for playlist managing feature
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sizetwo on 2006-11-10 18:08:10
Works fine on my 2nd generation iPod Shuffle... However I would like to be able to see the files on the iPod, but purely for transferring the files onto it it seems fine.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-11-10 23:08:27
musicmusic, do you have any plans on function to make playlist on ipod and assign the music files to it?

Thanks for the great plugin!
Hopefully


does any1 else get the pop up saying

"there is no disk in the drive. Please insert a disk into drive \Device\Harddisk4\DR8

XP
4th gen ipod 40gb
Strange, I haven't seen that. Do you know what kind of drive it is referring to - I think it would be the same as drive #4 from My Computer context menu / Manage / Disk Management.

I'll look into fixing it, I would guess it is caused by the iTunesDB file existance check. But I have card readers etc. and it doesn't trigger; neither did it when it used to scan the floppy drive. Maybe some non-standard system setting somewhere?

Hi and thanks for the plugin, but 2 questions?
Why on the version 3.0 there are not the "umount" and "mount" as the version 2.9?
They stopped working with iTunes 7, not that they worked reliably before that. Main problem was the use of undocumented iPodService interfaces which unsurprisingly didn't work very well. I will add the standard eject command instead.

Why foo_dop allow duplicate files to be copied to the iPod?
Because it doesn't check if the song already exists on your iPod yet?

Works fine on my 2nd generation iPod Shuffle...
Ok. But I don't know anything about what database format it uses so "its not supported", unless you can find out for me (iTunesDB, iTunesSD, ...).

However I would like to be able to see the files on the iPod, but purely for transferring the files onto it it seems fine.
I don't quite understand this one 

If you want to see what songs are on the iPod does "Load library" not work? If not I would guess it must be using iTunesSD or something which foo_dop doesn't use.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Spam Fodder on 2006-11-13 23:30:34
foo_dop is an experimental iPod plugin for foobar2000 0.9.3+, currently in alpha version.

Download: Version 0.3.0 (http://music.morbo.org/download/unstable/foo_dop-0.3.0-TEST.7z)

Notes and changelog moved here (http://music.morbo.org/wiki/dop:start). Read them first!


not a big deal but it look like it wipes out the 'Rating' of a song.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jonnysun on 2006-11-20 03:25:47
What a nice component for Foobar addictor! I can't wait to see its development.

I have some suggestion here

1.  Playlist can transform from/to iPOD
2.  rating (like %rating%), play count (like %play_count%) can be active to both sides.
3.  support same file recognition
4.  Avoid ACII format filename, whether use unicode or change to some english filename like iPOD. ( I am not so sure about that)

Hope this can give you some good ideas.

My hope is to see a seperate idop panel pop out when foobar and ipod is connected, including playlists and songs on ipod. and show everything we need need there    That is very difficult I know. Keep going 

I LOVE THIS PLUG IN!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2006-11-21 17:15:31
anyone got this working with a 5.5gen 80gb video ipod?

it used to work on my old 1, cant remember the error msg, i'm at work at the mo
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mazzarin01 on 2006-11-21 18:08:29
Installed the latest version from the link - can't find my mini (Running X86 Vista)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-11-22 16:23:33
Installed the latest version from the link - can't find my mini (Running X86 Vista)

Try new version 0.3.1 (http://yuo.be)

I don't know why, but they changed the volume's removal policy from CM_REMOVAL_POLICY_EXPECT_SURPRISE_REMOVAL to CM_REMOVAL_POLICY_EXPECT_NO_REMOVAL, but added CM_DEVCAP_SURPRISEREMOVALOK to its capabilities 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: funkyblue on 2006-11-22 22:13:43
It's now working with my Nano and Vista!
Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: clunesy on 2006-11-24 12:31:10
Any luck with other requests ?
"Ability to re-map common fields (artist, album, title, etc.) like in foo_pod"
video load?

sorry to hassle. pretty orphaned out there now with foo_pod
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Coppertop on 2006-11-24 14:59:25
Vista works again! Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-11-29 21:57:27
Any luck with other requests ?
"Ability to re-map common fields (artist, album, title, etc.) like in foo_pod"
video load?

sorry to hassle. pretty orphaned out there now with foo_pod

I just released (http://yuo.be) version 0.3.2 TEST which has configurable mappings for the ARTIST, TITLE and ALBUM fields. Use titleformatting in these preferences; leave them blank to disable that particular remapping. Use the "reload ipod library metadata" to apply it to existing songs.

Are there any other particular fields you think need remappings available?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2006-11-30 03:24:01
I just released (http://yuo.be) version 0.3.2 TEST which has configurable mappings for the ARTIST, TITLE and ALBUM fields. Use titleformatting in these preferences; leave them blank to disable that particular remapping. Use the "reload ipod library metadata" to apply it to existing songs.

Are there any other particular fields you think need remappings available?

GENRE, please.  And also perhaps "ALBUM ARTIST"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Scidd0w on 2006-11-30 12:53:29

Any luck with other requests ?
"Ability to re-map common fields (artist, album, title, etc.) like in foo_pod"
video load?

sorry to hassle. pretty orphaned out there now with foo_pod

I just released (http://yuo.be) version 0.3.2 TEST which has configurable mappings for the ARTIST, TITLE and ALBUM fields. Use titleformatting in these preferences; leave them blank to disable that particular remapping. Use the "reload ipod library metadata" to apply it to existing songs.

Are there any other particular fields you think need remappings available?
Thank you very much for adding this. I could think of genre en composer to add.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ShadowVlican on 2006-11-30 19:49:04
Works fine on my 2nd generation iPod Shuffle... However I would like to be able to see the files on the iPod, but purely for transferring the files onto it it seems fine.

works fine? NICE TRY.

from http://yuo.be/ipod.php (http://yuo.be/ipod.php)
Quote
Simple iPod management component which allows you to manage the songs on your Apple iPod (excluding iPod Shuffle) without the use of iTunes. Requires foobar2000 0.9.4+.


maybe now it works....because last time it sent useless files to my shuffle, even though it DID send the files the shuffle did not recognize it as music and blinked orange green orange green orange green orange green.....etc...

actually.. let me try it right NOW with the latest build....

yeap.... still doesn't work... the files show up in "Load Library" and i can see physical space used (no longer 1GB free).... BUT the shuffle doesn't play anything... whatever was uploaded is useless

sadly, inferior programs like itunes and winamp work flawlessly with MP3s and the 2G shuffle
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-11-30 19:55:59
I would like to remind all of us here that as great as it would be if this product did everything we all want RIGHT NOW; the fact is musicmusic is donating time and effort to this project...sarcasm (if intentional) and rudeness (if intentional) is discouraging and ridiculously unnecessary. in the future i recommend gratitude and constructive feedback as alternatives.

musicmusic, thanks for all your time and effort and i eagerly await the coming features of this plug in.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ShadowVlican on 2006-11-30 20:03:40
i know that... and my post lets him know what doesn't work (sizetwo's post makes musicmusic think that it's working with the 2G shuffle, when in fact it DOESN'T, which will prompt him to have a second look)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2006-12-01 02:07:15
this is a great plugin but two requests i would love musicmusic's to implement would be transferable album art like the winamp plugin & a sync with media library.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-12-03 00:38:22
0.3.3 TEST released (http://yuo.be)

It adds a simple experimental sync feature available through the contextmenu of selected files. Note: please understand what sync does before you use this feature. After syncronisation, the only files in your iPod library will be the ones you synced with. That also means any videos will be deleted, since foo_dop does not support them. Also bear in mind, it doesn't track files that are simply modified locally on your computer. I.e. if you modify a files on your computer, the sync feature will remove that file from your iPod and add the new version. That will result in some lost info (play counts, ...). AFAIK this is the same as foo_pod.

It also adds a SoundCheck target dB adjustment feature, but its not particulary useful because I realised SoundCheck is not working on my (5.5G) iPod. The correct adjustment values show up in iTunes - but the iPod is actually just making everything universally quieter with SoundCheck on  I don't know what's up with that, firmware bug? Anyone know?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-12-03 08:02:12
to clarify...

the sync feature is files only, no playlists: correct?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2006-12-03 08:19:21
Any chance of adding support for embedded lyrics? I add the tag "UNSYNCED LYRICS" to a file and then transfer it, but it doesnt allow me to view them on the ipod. When I send the same file to the ipod using itunes, though, lyrics show up fine. I guess it needs to be added to the database or something?

Also, Anapod Explorer has a feature which adds album art to the ipod database based on folder.jpg or another image in the same folder as the music file. Would it be possible to do something like this, perhaps including a sources list like uie_albumart?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shinsou on 2006-12-04 07:46:53
iPod is actually just making everything universally quieter with SoundCheck on  I don't know what's up with that, firmware bug? Anyone know?

same with nano 2G
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2006-12-04 18:14:38
hi, thanks for intergrating the sync feature!

Although i do get a error message:

Runtime error!
Program: C:\D...
R6025
- pure virtual function call


Any ideas? Latest version, 5.5g 80gb video ipod, win xp foobar 9.4.2
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-12-04 19:25:24
to clarify...

the sync feature is files only, no playlists: correct?
Yes.


hi, thanks for intergrating the sync feature!

Although i do get a error message:

Runtime error!
Program: C:\D...
R6025
- pure virtual function call


Any ideas? Latest version, 5.5g 80gb video ipod, win xp foobar 9.4.2
I guess its a bug, probably array index out of range. I'll take a look and add some more checks to catch it. But can you tell me at what stage in the progress dialog this happens? Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2006-12-05 14:43:44
not got my ipod on me to check right now, but it was right at the beginning i think the reading phase? i'll post back later

i was wondering whether you could implement a "Sync with Media library" from the File>iPod menu?

Another request but i fear it may not be possible - it would be great if somehow once you load iPod library it could be added to foobars media library? basically i want to be able to use autoplaylists on my iPod library

Edit: cant reproduce it, seems to be working atm.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2006-12-05 19:07:22
ok ive only just found out about rockbox: http://www.rockbox.org/ (http://www.rockbox.org/)

ive not used it, but was wondering whether foo_dop would still load my library if it was a rockbox library not a iTunes library?

Edit: you may be able to drag and drop? ah i'll have to wait to find out as it doesnt support 80gb video yet
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-12-06 21:31:17
0.3.4 TEST released (http://yuo.be)

It adds send playlist to iPod feature. Note:
-It does attempt to use existing files on the iPod if it can match the files up. It does this through metadata (ARTIST, TITLE and ALBUM fields). If it doesn't find a match it adds the file to the iPod. If you don't have any metadata on your files, it will also give wierd results. I may change the latter later.
-If there is a playlist with the same name already on the iPod, it replaces the contents of it with the new playlist.

not got my ipod on me to check right now, but it was right at the beginning i think the reading phase? i'll post back later

Edit: cant reproduce it, seems to be working atm.
I checked sync code and didn't see anything wrong. I also tried debug build and it didn't throw up anything. So I don't know what caused it, but I tested sync a lot and it seemed ok..

i was wondering whether you could implement a "Sync with Media library" from the File>iPod menu?

I probably will do so. But you can equally e.g. right click on root in album list and do it.

ok ive only just found out about rockbox: http://www.rockbox.org/ (http://www.rockbox.org/)

ive not used it, but was wondering whether foo_dop would still load my library if it was a rockbox library not a iTunes library?

Edit: you may be able to drag and drop? ah i'll have to wait to find out as it doesnt support 80gb video yet
No it only uses iTunesDB.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2006-12-06 21:33:38
Any chance of albumart and lyrics support?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: prawns on 2006-12-06 22:02:42
Any chance of albumart and lyrics support?
Album art has already been requested here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#requests). Your welcome to add one for lyrics too.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-12-07 15:20:26
before i committ my db to foo_dop...

the synch feature - obviously i can synch everything but if i tell it to sink while only highlighting a song or looking at a disk what will happen? is the synch feature always for the entire library?

also- will the synch feature delete songs on the ipod but not in foobar's library?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: copperblue on 2006-12-07 16:26:44
0.3.4 TEST released (http://yuo.be)

It adds send playlist to iPod feature. Note:
-It does attempt to use existing files on the iPod if it can match the files up. It does this through metadata (ARTIST, TITLE and ALBUM fields). If it doesn't find a match it adds the file to the iPod. If you don't have any metadata on your files, it will also give wierd results. I may change the latter later.
-If there is a playlist with the same name already on the iPod, it replaces the contents of it with the new playlist.


This works great. But if I attempt to send files that are already on the iPod from a general right-click context menu it allows me to send the duplicate files. Note that checking if the files are up to date gives "yes" etc.

Edit: Foobar 0.9.1, iPod Photo 60GB, I used foo_dop to remove all files from the iPod and used explorer to remove iTunesDB, iTunesDB.dop.backup, iTunesDB.PREANAPOD and prepped the iPod as a new one with foo_dop.
I was going to restore but iPod restorer gives a service error without iTunes installed meh..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-12-07 23:43:27
Any chance of albumart and lyrics support?

Album art: No plan right now, sorry.
Lyrics: I looked into it and its pretty simple to add so it will be in the next build and will work as follows:
-For MP3s it will need id3v2 tag and lyrics stored in UNSYNCED LYRICS field
-For MP4/M4A it will need LYRICS field

before i committ my db to foo_dop...

the synch feature - obviously i can synch everything but if i tell it to sink while only highlighting a song or looking at a disk what will happen? is the synch feature always for the entire library?

also- will the synch feature delete songs on the ipod but not in foobar's library?

Sync is in the context menu. If something on your iPod isn't in what you highlight it will be deleted.

But if I attempt to send files that are already on the iPod from a general right-click context menu it allows me to send the duplicate files. Note that checking if the files are up to date gives "yes" etc.
Yes.. That's by design (for now anyway..)


iPod is actually just making everything universally quieter with SoundCheck on  I don't know what's up with that, firmware bug? Anyone know?

same with nano 2G
I don't know if the firmware update was what fixed it, but its working fine (on my 5.5G) since updating to new 1.2.1 firmware
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2006-12-08 08:02:37
-For MP3s it will need id3v2 tag and lyrics stored in UNSYNCED LYRICS field
Would it be possible to add support for APE tags as well and have an option to specify the source tag name (eg. LYRICS instead of UNSYNCED LYRICS)? Or is it an iPod restriction?

Thanks.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Scidd0w on 2006-12-08 10:14:53
-For MP3s it will need id3v2 tag and lyrics stored in UNSYNCED LYRICS field
Would it be possible to add support for APE tags as well and have an option to specify the source tag name (eg. LYRICS instead of UNSYNCED LYRICS)? Or is it an iPod restriction?

Thanks,
Alessandro
I second this because all my files have APE tags instead of ID3v2.
Maybe you could even make it a configurable mapping so that one could remap UNSYNCED LYRICS to the LYRICS field.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-12-08 11:04:55
The iPod reads the lyrics direct from the tags, so its not possible to change it I'm afraid.

(All I have to do is set a flag to tell the iPod they are there)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: schroeder on 2006-12-08 14:25:58
Hi,

would it be possible implement a function to use foo_dop (in combination with the foo_audioscrobbler plugin) to transmit playcounts to last.fm? Music transfer works great with foo_dop (Ipod G5) but I still have to use Yamipod to scrobble my playcounts. 

schroeder
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furious on 2006-12-09 19:35:09
5 gen ipod
win xp sp2
foo 0.9.4

synch worked perfectly.

musicmusic- you are the man.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-12-09 23:04:02
hi, thanks for intergrating the sync feature!

Although i do get a error message:

Runtime error!
Program: C:\D...
R6025
- pure virtual function call


Any ideas? Latest version, 5.5g 80gb video ipod, win xp foobar 9.4.2

I found cause of this, it should be fixed in new version.

Hi,

would it be possible implement a function to use foo_dop (in combination with the foo_audioscrobbler plugin) to transmit playcounts to last.fm? Music transfer works great with foo_dop (Ipod G5) but I still have to use Yamipod to scrobble my playcounts. 

schroeder
I don't think foo_audioscrobbler has an API.

5 gen ipod
win xp sp2
foo 0.9.4

synch worked perfectly.

musicmusic- you are the man.

Good  Because there is a new version (http://yuo.be) to test now  It fixes the bug in sync above, but the funky code I used may have added some more. It also has some new features, details in changelog.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: carmenm on 2006-12-10 12:54:43

ok ive only just found out about rockbox: http://www.rockbox.org/ (http://www.rockbox.org/)

ive not used it, but was wondering whether foo_dop would still load my library if it was a rockbox library not a iTunes library?

Edit: you may be able to drag and drop? ah i'll have to wait to find out as it doesnt support 80gb video yet
No it only uses iTunesDB.



Talking about rockbox i have another question. With the old foo_pod there was a trick to build a itunes DB with any directory structure:

"I have a solution to this, you will need Foobar2000 v0.83 and the foo_pod plugin.


Copy all your files to the iPod using whatever directory structure you want.
Connect your iPod to the computer.
Load up Foobar2000, and select Components>foo_pod>Maintenance>Rebuild iTunesDB Database on iPod.
Foo_pod will then rebuild the iPod database with all your music files, but obviously only those that are recognised by the normal firmware of the iPod (AAC, MP3, ALAC etc).
You're done! One set of files accessible both by Rockbox and the normal iPod firmware.
Kiss me, I rule."


MusicMusic@ Do you think it could still work ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-12-10 17:34:50
You can do that with foo_dop, but its a bit longer procedure.

1. Rename your old iTunesDB.
2. Put your files on your iPod whereever you like (remember there is a path length limit)
3. Prepare the iPod using foo_dop.
4. Drag the songs from the iPod into foobar2000, and run the send to iPod context menu command on them.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: carmenm on 2006-12-10 18:14:06
You can do that with foo_dop, but its a bit longer procedure.

1. Rename your old iTunesDB.
2. Put your files on your iPod whereever you like (remember there is a path length limit)
3. Prepare the iPod using foo_dop.
4. Drag the songs from the iPod into foobar2000, and run the send to iPod context menu command on them.

First thanks for your quick answer.

1. You meqn renaming old iTunesDB as a backup file?
2. What is the path length limit? After trying it seems to be less than 64 so is there a way to change the size limit?(i think i already know the answer...)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-12-10 23:28:42
1. Yes
2. Yes, 64 (that's including file://). No, it's a limitation of the iPod, it skips the files otherwise (although I haven't tested it on the 5G).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2006-12-11 11:02:11
1. Yes
2. Yes, 64 (that's including file://). No, it's a limitation of the iPod, it skips the files otherwise (although I haven't tested it on the 5G).


its really annoying the path length limit, but if its a iPod limitation i'll have to live with it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: carmenm on 2006-12-11 11:32:52

1. Yes
2. Yes, 64 (that's including file://). No, it's a limitation of the iPod, it skips the files otherwise (although I haven't tested it on the 5G).


its really annoying the path length limit, but if its a iPod limitation i'll have to live with it.

Yes we have to live with it but it could oblige me not to use ipod firmware anymore since:
If i transfer my music on my ipod with itunes i can still read it on rockbox using the tagcache but i wont see any coverart since rockbox see coverart as a cover.bmp in the same directory as the song.

Another thing about this limitation, is it a firmware limitation or a hardware limitation? Cause if it is a firmware limitation i could ask in ipod wizard forum if something could be done to change that limit.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2006-12-11 11:59:48
Quote
Yes we have to live with it but it could oblige me not to use ipod firmware anymore since:
If i transfer my music on my ipod with itunes i can still read it on rockbox using the tagcache but i wont see any coverart since rockbox see coverart as a cover.bmp in the same directory as the song.


i have to wait for rockbox to support the new video iPod!

Musicmatch: is the new "sync with iPod" from the file menu simply the same as the one from the right click menu?

It would be nice to have a sync with media library!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-12-11 17:26:41
Another thing about this limitation, is it a firmware limitation or a hardware limitation? Cause if it is a firmware limitation i could ask in ipod wizard forum if something could be done to change that limit.
I would imagine it's a firmware limitation. There was some discussion on page 3 of this thread (and some more in foo_pod's thread I think), but like I said I haven't checked if the same limitation exists on 5G. The limit seemed to be different on a 3G and 4G.

Musicmatch: is the new "sync with iPod" from the file menu simply the same as the one from the right click menu?

No. Check changelog, or try the command
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2006-12-11 20:05:17
Just added this to the feature requests:
Add support for track options based on ID3 tags (Equalizer preset, Compilation, Remember position, Skip when shuffling, and Gapless album)
You would have to make up custom tag fields for these, since itunes seems to keep these only in the database and does not store them in ID3. Maybe you could do them like this:
IPOD_EQUALIZER, IPOD_COMPILATION, IPOD_REMEMBERPOS, IPOD_SHUFFLESKIP, IPOD_GAPLESS
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: thegeek on 2006-12-11 22:41:59
Would be really nice if you could open the source, I really want album art and I would really like to help;P
(I'm a second year CS major with some programming experience).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2006-12-12 11:12:55
Would be really nice if you could open the source, I really want album art and I would really like to help;P
(I'm a second year CS major with some programming experience).


not tried it but you could upload your music to your ipod with foobar, then run winamps iPod plugin and update album art which in theory should add album art to all your music. Its not ideal (you may aswell just use the winamp plugin to upload your music, although it always crashes on me).

ps. i did cs at uni - man that was hard

Musicmatch: is it possible to add a "Eject iPod" to a future build?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jonnysun on 2006-12-12 22:57:39
foo_dop is updated so fast! Glad to see that! 

just a little comment, could you add "select all" and "unselect all" on the playlist selection? I have tons of playlists, and I have to mark them about 50 times to select all of them ...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: inatightspot on 2006-12-13 00:44:31
foo_dop is updated so fast! Glad to see that! :P

just a little comment, could you add "select all" and "unselect all" on the playlist selection? I have tons of playlists, and I have to mark them about 50 times to select all of them ...

It looks like we want foo_dop to have every feature that was available with foo_pod.
In due time...
foo_dop is great so far, thanks Musicmusic and keep up the great work.

Inatightspot
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-12-13 23:57:16
Just added this to the feature requests:
Add support for track options based on ID3 tags (Equalizer preset, Compilation, Remember position, Skip when shuffling, and Gapless album)
You would have to make up custom tag fields for these, since itunes seems to keep these only in the database and does not store them in ID3. Maybe you could do them like this:
IPOD_EQUALIZER, IPOD_COMPILATION, IPOD_REMEMBERPOS, IPOD_SHUFFLESKIP, IPOD_GAPLESS
I don't really want to do those through metafields, but I will add some kind of way to edit them at some point.

Would be really nice if you could open the source, I really want album art and I would really like to help;P
(I'm a second year CS major with some programming experience).
Ok I realise there is a lot of demand for album art  I do plan on adding support for it, but don't know when yet.

Musicmatch: is it possible to add a "Eject iPod" to a future build?
Indeed, I plan to add that

just a little comment, could you add "select all" and "unselect all" on the playlist selection? I have tons of playlists, and I have to mark them about 50 times to select all of them ...
I did realise that was needed. But for test version I prefer to concentrate on (raw) functionality/internals, and leave polish/clean-up/etc to non-test versions. So maybe soon?

BTW if you note these requests in the wiki page (if they haven't been already) it may help remind of them in the future
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2006-12-14 00:14:45
I don't really want to do those through metafields, but I will add some kind of way to edit them at some point.
I think basing these options on metadata would be a good way to do it though, because otherwise you would need to reset them anytime you take songs off the ipod and put them back on. For example, Im always swtiching around my ipod nano library, and it would be nice if I didnt have to set these options more than once. Doing it through tags would also allow us to set these options easily with scripts or with trackinfo buttons.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2006-12-14 09:17:01
BTW if you note these requests in the wiki page (if they haven't been already) it may help remind of them in the future


i was looking at the changelog a lot of the stuff in there has been done, they just need to be crossed off
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: thegeek on 2006-12-15 00:45:27

Would be really nice if you could open the source, I really want album art and I would really like to help;P
(I'm a second year CS major with some programming experience).


not tried it but you could upload your music to your ipod with foobar, then run winamps iPod plugin and update album art which in theory should add album art to all your music. Its not ideal (you may aswell just use the winamp plugin to upload your music, although it always crashes on me).

ps. i did cs at uni - man that was hard

Musicmatch: is it possible to add a "Eject iPod" to a future build?


I actually tried to use the winamp plugin, and it did transfer album art, however it crashed a _lot_.
In addition I could not get winamp to correctly recognize all my tags, perhaps it does not support ape or something, the result was that all my music would show up very badly organized;P
And yeah, cs is hard, all this math is killing me;P
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mdhare007 on 2006-12-15 04:47:01
There are no dumb questions, right?  Ok, here is a possible dumb one.  With recent developments I'm anxious to try foo_dop out, but I have some possible concerns with the playlist feature.

I have a live version and a non live version of a track that share the common following tags
Artist: Foo
Title: Bar

However, the live version also has
Comment: Live

It sounds like if I upload two playlists, one with the live version and another with the non live version, I may not get the desired results based on the following text. 

"Files are matched to those on your iPod using metadata (ARTIST, TITLE and ALBUM fields). Therefore any track without metadata may be matched to the wrong track."

Is there a way around this with the currently existing features?  Is this what 'Metadata 'mapping' fields do' in tools->ipod manager?  Is the solution to put something like '%title%[ {%comment%}]' into Title mapping?

---

Also, can anyone else point to success with the "SoundCheck adjustment" feature?  There were a few messages that said 'eh, didn't work' and one that said 'yup, worked after firmware upgrade'.  I like to boost all files to ~95db or so since my fm transmitter is so quiet.

-Michael
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jonnysun on 2006-12-15 06:59:12

foo_dop is updated so fast! Glad to see that! 

just a little comment, could you add "select all" and "unselect all" on the playlist selection? I have tons of playlists, and I have to mark them about 50 times to select all of them ...

It looks like we want foo_dop to have every feature that was available with foo_pod.
In due time...
foo_dop is great so far, thanks Musicmusic and keep up the great work.

Inatightspot


Actually, I've never used foo_pod before. Just something comes to my mine which will make foo_pod easier to use.

Keep it up!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: splint3r on 2006-12-16 08:39:58
Hi musicmusic,

I have been watching this thread for a while now and regularly checking the changelog with my fingers crossed, hoping to see a line go through the first item on the request list, 'Add dynamic transcoding to support other formats like FLAC'.

I see this list is not in order of priority so i guess i have to ask again, how important is this feature to you? And my second question is what would it take to make it more important?

All of my tunes are either in Flac or some obscure codec (mpc) and i would dearly love to simplify sending files to my girlfriends Ipod using Foobar2000 V9.x.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-12-16 23:59:55
I think basing these options on metadata would be a good way to do it though, because otherwise you would need to reset them anytime you take songs off the ipod and put them back on. For example, Im always swtiching around my ipod nano library, and it would be nice if I didnt have to set these options more than once. Doing it through tags would also allow us to set these options easily with scripts or with trackinfo buttons.
I see what you are saying. I would prefer the fields to be stored in an external database rather than the tags itself - but realistically that's not going to happen. Ideally I guess I'll add both tag-based and non tagged based methods.

There are no dumb questions, right?  Ok, here is a possible dumb one.  With recent developments I'm anxious to try foo_dop out, but I have some possible concerns with the playlist feature.

I have a live version and a non live version of a track that share the common following tags
Artist: Foo
Title: Bar

However, the live version also has
Comment: Live

It sounds like if I upload two playlists, one with the live version and another with the non live version, I may not get the desired results based on the following text. 

"Files are matched to those on your iPod using metadata (ARTIST, TITLE and ALBUM fields). Therefore any track without metadata may be matched to the wrong track."

Is there a way around this with the currently existing features?  Is this what 'Metadata 'mapping' fields do' in tools->ipod manager?  Is the solution to put something like '%title%[ {%comment%}]' into Title mapping?
If the ARTIST, ALBUM and TITLE fields match exactly for those files, then yes they will get mixed up. This does not depend on field re-mappings. It also only affects the "Send playlists to iPod" and not the syncronise feature.

The reason behind this is to avoid duplicates if the file has been modified locally since this is not a sync operation (where the old version would get deleted from the iPod). I'm not sure changing the fields it uses is going to help so much - definitely I am not going to add COMMENT to the list. Does neither the TITLE nor ALBUM vary for your files?

Next version will store the source path on the iPod for files sent using foo_dop. This info could be used in future versions to seperate two matching files (if you don't move your files around).

Hi musicmusic,

I have been watching this thread for a while now and regularly checking the changelog with my fingers crossed, hoping to see a line go through the first item on the request list, 'Add dynamic transcoding to support other formats like FLAC'.

I see this list is not in order of priority so i guess i have to ask again, how important is this feature to you? And my second question is what would it take to make it more important?

All of my tunes are either in Flac or some obscure codec (mpc) and i would dearly love to simplify sending files to my girlfriends Ipod using Foobar2000 V9.x.

It is somewhat important to me (I have tracks in MPC, OGG Vorbis, WavPack, WMA, ... too) but there are lots of issues surrounding it:
-tracking the files properly for sync. This can be solved my storing necessary data in foo_dop's db it will store in iPod from next version
-the actual conversion. There is no convertor API or source - so I would have to rewrite large chunks of it for a decent level of functionality.

I will most likely work on it at some point. But its quite complicated.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mdhare007 on 2006-12-19 03:31:27
musicmusic said:
If the ARTIST, ALBUM and TITLE fields match exactly for those files, then yes they will get mixed up. This does not depend on field re-mappings. It also only affects the "Send playlists to iPod" and not the syncronise feature.  The reason behind this is to avoid duplicates if the file has been modified locally since this is not a sync operation (where the old version would get deleted from the iPod). I'm not sure changing the fields it uses is going to help so much - definitely I am not going to add COMMENT to the list. Does neither the TITLE nor ALBUM vary for your files?

----------

Lets say I have two versions of the same song, one live off the radio and one not.  So that I can do queries like "show me all versions of song X" based on the title field, I've been putting tags like 'live, fm radio' in the 'comment' field.  I have not been storing this information in the 'album' field because when I sort by albums, I do not want to have a bunch of tiny albums listed that only have a single song or two. 

It seemed to have done the right thing when I sync'd but I didn't yet listen to the 'live' playlist that I uploaded.

It might be nice to have a debug window option so that you can get more details on what foo_pod is doing.  For example, when I sync playlists, sometimes foo_pod copies files over (probably because of the tag matching problem).  It would be neat to see what it copied.

Thanks for all your efforts.  Even though it's still a little rough in spots, I've finally been able to ditch Itunes and use replaygain to drive Soundcheck.  It worked great on the fm dock!

-Michael
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: CUclimber on 2006-12-19 23:05:07
Hi musicmusic,

I have been watching this thread for a while now and regularly checking the changelog with my fingers crossed, hoping to see a line go through the first item on the request list, 'Add dynamic transcoding to support other formats like FLAC'.

I see this list is not in order of priority so i guess i have to ask again, how important is this feature to you? And my second question is what would it take to make it more important?

All of my tunes are either in Flac or some obscure codec (mpc) and i would dearly love to simplify sending files to my girlfriends Ipod using Foobar2000 V9.x.


I'd like to chime in and say that this would be a HUGE feature for me.  90% of my music is .flac (the other bit being .ape that I haven't converted yet) and I have been waiting a long time for a way to transcode the .flac files to .mp3 on the fly when I move them over to my Ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Galova on 2006-12-20 07:26:27
Hi! I just want to ask if it is possible to add iPod Shuffle support too.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2006-12-20 10:19:28
now i'm getting ahead of myself as this would be a very low priority, just wondering whether in the distance future you have thought about uploading videos to the ipod? i love that it retrieves them when you load the library (can then use a foo_run script to play them), but if you could also upload them, then i could finally uninstall iTunes!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2006-12-21 14:05:23
-the actual conversion. There is no convertor API or source - so I would have to rewrite large chunks of it for a decent level of functionality.

I will most likely work on it at some point. But its quite complicated.


read this about foo_sendtodevice :

.......Non mp3 files can be converted on the fly with new feature (beta stages)

cwbowron may share the code, would be a time saver for transcoding
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-12-21 16:16:40
Version 0.3.6 TEST released (http://yuo.be)

It adds a simple transcoder (some more info in wiki, its quite experimental) for unsupported filetypes. It should be configured via prefs first. E.g.

LAME: lame - %d
Nero: neroAacEnc -if - -of %d

where lame.exe, neroAacEnc.exe are on the path.

It would be good to test it with some different encoders and also different filetypes as input.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-12-21 17:10:29
Hi musicmusic,

I just transcoded one FLAC file to Nero AAC and it worked flawlessly. Very Cool! I tried to transcode one track from a FLAC image file with an embedded cuesheet, but foo_dop didn't like that at all. Though, as this was your first pass with transcoding, I was expecting that it might not work.

Damn, you do fine work! :-) and Thank You.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-12-21 18:03:31
Lets say I have two versions of the same song, one live off the radio and one not.  So that I can do queries like "show me all versions of song X" based on the title field, I've been putting tags like 'live, fm radio' in the 'comment' field.  I have not been storing this information in the 'album' field because when I sort by albums, I do not want to have a bunch of tiny albums listed that only have a single song or two.
I will improve the matching algorithm so it detects multiple matches and does something to try and pick the right one.

Hi! I just want to ask if it is possible to add iPod Shuffle support too.
Possible: yes. Planned: not right now.

now i'm getting ahead of myself as this would be a very low priority, just wondering whether in the distance future you have thought about uploading videos to the ipod? i love that it retrieves them when you load the library (can then use a foo_run script to play them), but if you could also upload them, then i could finally uninstall iTunes!
Yes I thought about it. It would probably have to be done by tagging videos as such (and also their type, e.g music video, film, tv show, ...). But it is planned.

Hi musicmusic,

I just transcoded one FLAC file to Nero AAC and it worked flawlessly. Very Cool! I tried to transcode one track from a FLAC image file with an embedded cuesheet, but foo_dop didn't like that at all. Though, as this was your first pass with transcoding, I was expecting that it might not work.

Damn, you do fine work! :-) and Thank You.
Thanks for testing

Yes, chapters not supported mainly because its difficult to support them for filetypes that are natively supported by the iPod. But in your case - filetype not supported by iPod - it should be fairly straightforward to make it transcode them to separate files. Right now I think it would try and convert the first track and complain about the rest.

Other thing still to be implemented is replaygain/soundcheck scanning for converted files. Although you can do it manually.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-12-21 21:27:00
Quote
But in your case - filetype not supported by iPod - it should be fairly straightforward to make it transcode them to separate files.


Yes, that is all I am looking to do. All of my music is backed up to flac images, so just to be able to transcode miscellaneous tracks from the image would be terrific for my situation.

At the moment, here at work, I only have single FLAC files to transcode and I have been able to transcode full 12 track albums at once without a problem.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 0z0n3 on 2006-12-22 21:51:43
musicmusic,

Great plugin!!!
Currently using the 0.3.6 test version and so far so good.

iTunes just blew.  The Winamp plugin works, but hated going back and forth from it and fb2k.  Now I can ditch Winamp.

Keep up the fantastic work man!!!  Looking forward to any and all enhancements/improvements...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2006-12-23 21:03:02
Could you add tag mapping for the rating?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Galova on 2006-12-26 15:12:48
Quote
iPod Shuffle - Possible: yes. Planned: not right now.

Wow! Thanks! I'm the first to use it when it comes available!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-12-28 01:11:28
There is a new special version available that needs testing here (http://yuo.be/download/unstable/foo_dop-pre-0.3.7-TEST.7z). It has a new background monitor for iPod connection/disconnections and also now detects iPods by their Device Instance ID (which means it will detect iPods without iTunesDB present).

However, this needs testing to see if it is working correctly. Please check with the test version to see if it still detects your iPod (e.g. try load library command) - especially if it is connected by firewire. If it does not, there should be some messages about drives in the foobar2000 console - just paste them here and tell me your iPod drive letter. Note: I don't really want it used for anything else other than to test this.

I'm also collecting VIDs/PIDs etc. for different iPods. These can be gotten from the console messages the test version outputs (see next link for more info). I'm especially interested if all iPods have the same IDs over firewire. I've put what I know so far here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:ipod_pids) but a lot of it is second hand info. Please fill any gaps and make any corrections. Thanks!

Keep up the fantastic work man!!!  Looking forward to any and all enhancements/improvements...
Thanks

Quote
iPod Shuffle - Possible: yes. Planned: not right now.

Wow! Thanks! I'm the first to use it when it comes available!
I'm not sure you understood what I meant..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-12-28 02:47:33
Hi musicmusic,

I connect by firewire and the new test version detected my iPod and loaded the library without a problem.

Also, I have a 3G and the console reads:

Startup time : 0:16.460685
iPod connected at M: Device Instance ID: 1394\APPLE_COMPUTER__INC.&IPOD\1670C202270A00
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: inatightspot on 2006-12-28 02:52:18
iPod connected at E: Device Instance ID: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1203\0000004E75DC

4G (grey)05ac 1203 works okay
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: david_dl on 2006-12-28 03:25:24
My Grey 4G says:
Code: [Select]
iPod connected at G: Device Instance ID: 1394\APPLE_COMPUTER__INC.&IPOD\87857D02270A00


I'll add this to the wiki table.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shinsou on 2006-12-28 09:57:46
Nano 2G:
iPod connected at G: Device Instance ID: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1260\000A2700188F8614
Works fine.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: funkyblue on 2006-12-28 10:03:22
Can someone please post on how to get the Device instance ID?
Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shinsou on 2006-12-28 12:02:39
Can someone please post on how to get the Device instance ID?
Thanks

view/console
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-12-29 17:02:39
Thank you all for testing. Good enough success rate for me

I uploaded final 0.3.7 TEST to my homepage (http://yuo.be). Details in changelog. I removed the console messages that were present in the earlier version also.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2006-12-30 00:12:02
Hi musicmusic,

I just wanted to let you know that transcoding from my FLAC image files is working perfectly. Thank you very much for including this in the final 0.3.7 Test version.

Happy New Year!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2006-12-30 08:35:31
Your welcome

Now to anyone who wants Shuffle support, I wouldn't mind a backup of the iTunes\iPod_Control folder of a Shuffle that has only been used with iTunes (it should compress well with 7-Zip). Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: robaer on 2006-12-30 23:58:08
iPod 3G with firewire.

Startup time : 0:03.429382
drive H: installed Device Instance ID: HTREE\ROOT\0

No iPod found!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Killmaster on 2007-01-02 10:44:00
This might be a really obvious question, but could someone tell me what field I'm supposed to map %album artist% to? Is that was composer is for? The documentation says it's supported but all my VA albums are spread around.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aurelio on 2007-01-02 11:06:24
iPod Mini 1G via firewire
Windows Vista RTM

Code: [Select]
drive N: installed Device Instance ID: HTREE\ROOT\0

No iPod found!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aurelio on 2007-01-02 11:22:35
Same as above, I tried USB also - it doesn't work either.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-01-02 14:27:00
OK, it wasn't working in Vista, because the volume isn't a child of the iPod's disk anymore in the device tree.

I used some funky tricks to match the iPod volume to the iPod disk without using admin priviledges or WMI (which is slooow). I tested it on XP SP2 and Vista RC2 where it works for USB iPods. Can you people who had problems and firewire people check if it works for you. The new version to test is located here (http://yuo.be/download/unstable/foo_dop-pre-0.3.8-TEST.7z). Note: it is only to check if it works or not. There's no console messages.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: robaer on 2007-01-02 17:40:59
The new version works for me. I'm using Vista and firewire. And thank you VERY much for this component by the way!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aurelio on 2007-01-02 20:14:17
Yes it works under Vista now (both firewire and usb)!

And huge thanks for the great on-the-fly converter!!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bvm on 2007-01-02 21:16:22
Ok, I am probably being massively stupid here, but could someone help me out with the converter. I have tried every possible combination of codes I could reasonable think of.

What I want to do is to add properly tagged LAME V2 MP3s to my IPOD I am using this code

Code: [Select]
command:
C:\lame.exe -S --noreplaygain -V 2 --vbr-new - %d

Extension:
mp3
The failure I get is
Quote
Reason: Conversion failed - encoder failure


Presumably I don't have to convert to .wav before the conversion, do I?

If someone could post a successful code, I would be most grateful.

musicmusic, thankyou so much for this superb plugin.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dan Hibiki on 2007-01-03 04:24:27
Could you add a "copy" feature, so if you use it, instead of transcoding a not supported file, foo_dop would just copy it like foo_sendtodevice? That way, foo_dop would be perfect for Rockbox/Apple OS use

I hope you understand what I mean 

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Killmaster on 2007-01-03 05:00:04
another thing - it seems that the "omit the when sorting" feature works, but scrolling songs on the iPod results in "A, T, B, T, C, T..." is this fixable?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-01-03 18:08:07
The new version works for me. I'm using Vista and firewire. And thank you VERY much for this component by the way!

Yes it works under Vista now (both firewire and usb)!

And huge thanks for the great on-the-fly converter!!

Good, thanks for checking, and you are both welcome 

Ok, I am probably being massively stupid here, but could someone help me out with the converter. I have tried every possible combination of codes I could reasonable think of.

What I want to do is to add properly tagged LAME V2 MP3s to my IPOD I am using this code

Code: [Select]
command:
C:\lame.exe -S --noreplaygain -V 2 --vbr-new - %d

Extension:
mp3
The failure I get is
Quote
Reason: Conversion failed - encoder failure


Presumably I don't have to convert to .wav before the conversion, do I?

If someone could post a successful code, I would be most grateful.

musicmusic, thankyou so much for this superb plugin.

You're command works fine here, so I don't think that is at fault. What version of LAME are you using? Try 3.97. What is the input file format? Try a different one. It may be specific to that format in which case I can fix it.

Could you add a "copy" feature, so if you use it, instead of transcoding a not supported file, foo_dop would just copy it like foo_sendtodevice? That way, foo_dop would be perfect for Rockbox/Apple OS use

I hope you understand what I mean 

Thanks!
I don't want to put unsupported formats in the iPod's db, it's only going to confuse the iPod and me also. Okay, maybe you don't want them in the iPod's DB but anyways sorry I don't plan to add this at the moment

another thing - it seems that the "omit the when sorting" feature works, but scrolling songs on the iPod results in "A, T, B, T, C, T..." is this fixable?
Hmmm.... I don't think its fixable without making the songs list as "..., The". Do you know what iTunes does?

iPod Shuffle Test Version
Thanks to the person who sent me their Shuffle iPod_Control\iTunes folder, I was able to attempt to implement Shuffle support.

Note: It has the following limitations:
-I don't own a Shuffle. Therefore I don't know if it even works or just send Shuffles into Oblivion.
-Make sure you backup your iPod_Control\iTunes folder before use
-It doesn't preserve the original song order. I.e., first time you use foo_dop, the song order will change. In addition, songs sent using foo_dop will appear in an arbitrary order.
-Doesn't merge play counts back into the DB. Doesn't support start/stop times. Resets the Shuffle's volume and shuffle status when updating the Shuffle.
-Don't know how foo_dop and DRM'd songs already on the Shuffle mix.

Test version download (http://yuo.be/download/unstable/foo_dop-pre-0.3.8-TEST-1.7z) I am interested to know if it actually works (can you listen to added songs etc.)

I'm still interested in iPod_Control\iTunes backup of a shuffle that has been used a fair bit and has many songs on it and has only been used with iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dan Hibiki on 2007-01-03 18:17:20

Could you add a "copy" feature, so if you use it, instead of transcoding a not supported file, foo_dop would just copy it like foo_sendtodevice? That way, foo_dop would be perfect for Rockbox/Apple OS use

I hope you understand what I mean 

Thanks!
I don't want to put unsupported formats in the iPod's db, it's only going to confuse the iPod and me also. Okay, maybe you don't want them in the iPod's DB but anyways sorry I don't plan to add this at the moment


Yeah, it would just copy without adding it to the iTunesDB, hopefully you change your mind soon

Thanks for the attention 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ignite339 on 2007-01-04 00:25:01
I keep getting this error:

Quote
Error writing iTunesDB file : Object not found


I tried reformatting it, rewriting the database, checking an option to allow filebrowsing, et cetera. This also causes my iPod to freeze up. My specs are:

3rd Generation 20 gig iPod
Windows XP Pro running foobar2000 0.9x

I tried both Firewire and Usb, and it shows up in My Computer each time. What could be wrong?

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Smitty2k1 on 2007-01-04 00:44:33
Ok, I am probably being massively stupid here, but could someone help me out with the converter. I have tried every possible combination of codes I could reasonable think of.

What I want to do is to add properly tagged LAME V2 MP3s to my IPOD I am using this code

Code: [Select]
command:
C:\lame.exe -S --noreplaygain -V 2 --vbr-new - %d

Extension:
mp3
The failure I get is
Quote
Reason: Conversion failed - encoder failure


Presumably I don't have to convert to .wav before the conversion, do I?

If someone could post a successful code, I would be most grateful.

musicmusic, thankyou so much for this superb plugin.


I'm getting the same problem trying to add flac files to the iPod.

E:\Program Files\foobar200\lame.exe -V 0 --vbr-new
extention:
mp3

If I use the built in FB2k converter to convert to mp3 then they add fine. Normal mp3's add fine. I don't have any file types besides mp3 and flac.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-01-04 01:29:07
I keep getting this error:

Quote
Error writing iTunesDB file : Object not found


I tried reformatting it, rewriting the database, checking an option to allow filebrowsing, et cetera. This also causes my iPod to freeze up. My specs are:

3rd Generation 20 gig iPod
Windows XP Pro running foobar2000 0.9x

I tried both Firewire and Usb, and it shows up in My Computer each time. What could be wrong?

Thanks
Is your iPod blank? Maybe there is a bug in the automatic ipod "preparation", I'll check it tomorrow. Or you can use version 0.3.1 to prepare it and switch back to new version.


I'm getting the same problem trying to add flac files to the iPod.

E:\Program Files\foobar200\lame.exe -V 0 --vbr-new
extention:
mp3

If I use the built in FB2k converter to convert to mp3 then they add fine. Normal mp3's add fine. I don't have any file types besides mp3 and flac.

Try
Code: [Select]
"E:\Program Files\foobar2000\lame.exe" -V 0 --vbr-new - %d
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ignite339 on 2007-01-04 01:58:10
Yeah, I'm using 0.3.1 right now because it's the latest release, I'm scared to use Test releases =P. I'll try the test release, though.

EDIT: I tried it with the Test release, and I got ANOTHER error:

Quote
Error writing iTunesDB file : I/O error (win32 #55)


What is going on??? (PS. this error didn't freeze up my iPod)

EDIT2: More information so maybe you can pinpoint the problem

I can "send" a small amount of songs at a time, and they show up on the iPod, however, when I try to send a whole playlist, the above error comes up. Also, "Browse iPod" in the foo_dop menu comes up clean; there's no songs or anything, even the ones I added which showed up on the iPod itself.

ONE MORE EDIT: I prepared the iPod in 0.3.1, and tried to sync in 0.3.7. "Error writing iTunesDB file : Object not found" came up again, AND I got a windows system tray message telling me that "files were not saved to K:, there could be a problem with hardware or software" (paraphrased). Syncing worked fine with Mediamonkey, so it's not the iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-01-04 11:02:40
This entire IO around the try handler that geneates that error:

Code: [Select]
    pfc::string8 path;
    pfc::string8 backup_path;
        path = m_path;
        path << "iPod_Control\\iTunes\\iTunesDB";

        newpath << path << ".dop.temp";
        service_ptr_t<file> p_file;
        filesystem::g_open_write_new(p_file, newpath, p_abort);
        p_file.release();
        backup_path << path.get_ptr() << ".dop.backup";
        if (filesystem::g_exists(backup_path, p_abort))
            filesystem::g_remove(backup_path, p_abort);

        if (filesystem::g_exists(path, p_abort))
            filesystem::g_move(path, backup_path, p_abort);
        filesystem::g_move(newpath, path, p_abort);

Whilst you may not understand c++, that should be vaguely understandable.

There are two possibilities for "Object not found" - it can't find the .temp file it just wrote at the last command, or maybe it can't find the iPod_Control\iTunes directory when opening the file. I don't think it could be the latter however (give you can send a few songs).

Given that it stops at any failure, it doesn't make much sense. But there is not much I can do about it if something is eating my temp files.

Check that your iPod is set up for manual song management. Exit any other iPod software, anti-virus software, etc.

Error #55 is "The specified network resource or device is no longer available." I.e. The iPod was ejected/removed mid-operation. Could be linked to the systray error maybe.

Browse iPod will be blank until you select something in the left list. Did you do that?

Lastly, freezing iPods etc. isn't normal, neither is that error you said turned up. Was the title "Delayed write failure"? Is write caching enabled on your iPod? It can't be good idea for removable device, you should set windows to "Optimise for quick removal". Do a chkdsk on your iPod too. Also check Event Viewer for any errors about your iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2007-01-04 12:41:13
how can i tag my music to be displayed as compilations on my ipod?

i tried tagging %compliation% to '1'

@musicmatch:

Is there any way to have the imported playlists (when loading playlists from iPod) to be removed once the iPod is disconnected? - they take over my playlist drop down menu!

and a bit off topic but does any1 know if there is a variable such as %playlistname% (i know theres active playlist for cwb hooks) - i wanna sort my playlists into section: iPod & autoplaylists (which i can use %lock%)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ignite339 on 2007-01-04 14:10:01
Lastly, freezing iPods etc. isn't normal, neither is that error you said turned up. Was the title "Delayed write failure"? Is write caching enabled on your iPod? It can't be good idea for removable device, you should set windows to "Optimise for quick removal". Do a chkdsk on your iPod too. Also check Event Viewer for any errors about your iPod.

Yes, the error in the systray was "Delayed Write Failure". Write caching is not enabled, it is "optimized for quick removal", and always has been. Could it be that the iPod just can't handle that much information at once, given that I can send a few songs? It is quite old, but again, it worked just fine on MediaMonkey.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bvm on 2007-01-04 17:33:06

Ok, I am probably being massively stupid here, but could someone help me out with the converter. I have tried every possible combination of codes I could reasonable think of.

What I want to do is to add properly tagged LAME V2 MP3s to my IPOD I am using this code

Code: [Select]
command:
C:\lame.exe -S --noreplaygain -V 2 --vbr-new - %d

Extension:
mp3
The failure I get is
Quote
Reason: Conversion failed - encoder failure


Presumably I don't have to convert to .wav before the conversion, do I?

If someone could post a successful code, I would be most grateful.

musicmusic, thankyou so much for this superb plugin.

You're command works fine here, so I don't think that is at fault. What version of LAME are you using? Try 3.97. What is the input file format? Try a different one. It may be specific to that format in which case I can fix it.



I am using FLAC, but its working now!  the culprit was the lack of LAME 3.97. I cant for the life of me remember what I was using before this, but that seems to be the cause. The command is working fine without the quotes around the directory path.

Thanks for the reply.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-01-05 00:47:18
Yes, the error in the systray was "Delayed Write Failure". Write caching is not enabled, it is "optimized for quick removal", and always has been. Could it be that the iPod just can't handle that much information at once, given that I can send a few songs? It is quite old, but again, it worked just fine on MediaMonkey.

Well, yes sending more files is going to stress things. If the iPod's HD is screwed, sending more files has more chance of hitting a bad block/whatever on the HD. It could alternatively be stressing some component of your computer (USB bus/whatever).

BTW To All: Don't use the Browse iPod command in TEST version, it has a bug and may cause a crash.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ignite339 on 2007-01-05 05:46:16
Yes, the error in the systray was "Delayed Write Failure". Write caching is not enabled, it is "optimized for quick removal", and always has been. Could it be that the iPod just can't handle that much information at once, given that I can send a few songs? It is quite old, but again, it worked just fine on MediaMonkey.

Well, yes sending more files is going to stress things. If the iPod's HD is screwed, sending more files has more chance of hitting a bad block/whatever on the HD. It could alternatively be stressing some component of your computer (USB bus/whatever).

BTW To All: Don't use the Browse iPod command in TEST version, it has a bug and may cause a crash.

All right, well, I can deal with sending one album at a time

Thanks for your help, and thanks for the excellent plugin!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-01-07 00:18:34
OK, I released 0.3.8 TEST (http://yuo.be). Changes are same as earlier releases in this thread, and I also added a browser for the photos that are on your iPod. Yes, not the most useful feature, but it at least tests the Photo Database reader properly (before I maybe write a Photo Database writer )

If you run the "Browse Photos" command, it should either burp an error, or display your photos that are stored on your iPod (not in any particular order...) It will read the database stored at "Photos\Photo Database" (not the ArtworkDB file ATM).

The actual Photo Browser itself isn't designed for anything other than for testing reasons. The Next/previous format buttons are for navigating between the different formats image formats stored on the iPod.  If you receive any error trying to browse photos (other than object not found..) please let me know and post your Photo Database if possible. Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: elishnevsky on 2007-01-07 02:25:46
Hi musicmusic,

Not sure if people asked this question or not. You know, iTunes has a feature, I don't remember what it's called, before you load a track to the iPod there's a checkbox that you can mark, it makes iPod to remember the position in a track when you stop it. It's particularly useful for audiobooks. Are you planning to implement such feature? Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: laowai on 2007-01-08 01:04:39
Hi guys, I have tried to add UNSYNCED_LYRICS tags to the existing songs  on 5.5g 80gb ipod. The lyrics was not shown by ipod first. I have tried to reload/rewrite database - no luck. But then, I have found that iTunes can see the tag and after I have once opened it with iTunes the ipod will also starts showing it! Any opinions? Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2007-01-08 13:19:54
I also added a browser for the photos that are on your iPod. Yes, not the most useful feature, but it at least tests the Photo Database reader properly (before I maybe write a Photo Database writer )


This is great news! I will test it when i get home and report back. thanks for the continued work

Edit: Browser of images works fine, showed all my images! I dunno why there are 4 formats tho? thought there would just be a thumbnail and a full size
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2007-01-10 22:54:27
Added files with latest test version.  Files were added and play, but other entries screw up with the letters in fast scrolling (i.e. The Hooters is sorted as H but displays a [T] overlay when fast scrolling.)  This wouldn't be such a problem if it didn't also slow the scrolling considerably.

I can take pictures with a digital camera if needed. Or a video.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-01-11 00:16:33
Hi musicmusic,

Not sure if people asked this question or not. You know, iTunes has a feature, I don't remember what it's called, before you load a track to the iPod there's a checkbox that you can mark, it makes iPod to remember the position in a track when you stop it. It's particularly useful for audiobooks. Are you planning to implement such feature? Thanks.
Yes, it is planned

Hi guys, I have tried to add UNSYNCED_LYRICS tags to the existing songs  on 5.5g 80gb ipod. The lyrics was not shown by ipod first. I have tried to reload/rewrite database - no luck. But then, I have found that iTunes can see the tag and after I have once opened it with iTunes the ipod will also starts showing it! Any opinions? Thanks.
Last time I checked, the field name (for mp3s) should be "UNSYNCED LYRICS" (i.e. no underscore) and also make sure the mp3 file has an id3v2 tag (use "MP3 Tag Types"). Check those and try again.


I also added a browser for the photos that are on your iPod. Yes, not the most useful feature, but it at least tests the Photo Database reader properly (before I maybe write a Photo Database writer )


This is great news! I will test it when i get home and report back. thanks for the continued work

Edit: Browser of images works fine, showed all my images! I dunno why there are 4 formats tho? thought there would just be a thumbnail and a full size
Thanks for testing

The iPod stores several formats, I didn't pay much attention to what they are for.

Quote
' date='Jan 10 2007, 22:54' post='463287']
Added files with latest test version.  Files were added and play, but other entries screw up with the letters in fast scrolling (i.e. The Hooters is sorted as H but displays a [T] overlay when fast scrolling.)  This wouldn't be such a problem if it didn't also slow the scrolling considerably.

I can take pictures with a digital camera if needed. Or a video.
Thanks, it was reported above. I guess I will just make it edit the strings so the "The" is appended (as ", The", which I guess is what iTunes did, but I don't remember). You can disable the sorting option for now if it bothers you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Killmaster on 2007-01-11 09:22:13
ooh new feature request... make the ipod playlist an autoplaylist that automatically updates itself when the iPod is connected or updated.. that would be immensely useful
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2007-01-11 09:32:45
how can i tag my music to be displayed as compilations on my ipod?

i tried tagging %compliation% to '1'


bump

anybody?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: inatightspot on 2007-01-11 15:21:28
how can i tag my music to be displayed as compilations on my ipod?

i tried tagging %compliation% to '1'
[/quote]

bump

anybody?

Isn't it the album artist field tagged as VA for compilations?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: laowai on 2007-01-12 00:11:16
Last time I checked, the field name (for mp3s) should be "UNSYNCED LYRICS" (i.e. no underscore) and also make sure the mp3 file has an id3v2 tag (use "MP3 Tag Types"). Check those and try again.

    Hey musicmusic, thanks for your advice. I am using fb2k v0.9.4.2 with MP3 preferred writing scheme set to ID3v2, writer "compatibility mode" is on (for iTunes). The tag name is "UNSYNCED LYRICS" (for MP3 files). The problem is related only to the songs that are already on the ipod. The ipod will start showing the tags, but only after the lyrics was read by iTunes once. It seems to me like iTunes changes the database record for the title to indicate the presence of the tag. Also the tags are perfectly displayed in all songs if they are added through iTunes. 
  I think I need something that would rescan the ipod database from files. I thought that foo_dop should do that? I've tried using "Reload ipod library metadata from files", but as I said no luck.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2007-01-12 09:17:42
[quote name='inatightspot' date='Jan 11 2007, 15:21' post='463448']
how can i tag my music to be displayed as compilations on my ipod?

i tried tagging %compliation% to '1'
[/quote]

bump

anybody?

Isn't it the album artist field tagged as VA for compilations?
[/quote]

Having %album artist% set to VA or Various Artists just displays the artist as VA (which for some reason is at the top of the artists list) and Various Artists, they do not come under compilations menu.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: inatightspot on 2007-01-12 22:30:30
[quote name='2Pacalypse' date='Jan 12 2007, 03:17' post='463612']
[quote name='inatightspot' date='Jan 11 2007, 15:21' post='463448']
how can i tag my music to be displayed as compilations on my ipod?

i tried tagging %compliation% to '1'
[/quote]

bump

anybody?

Isn't it the album artist field tagged as VA for compilations?
[/quote]

Having %album artist% set to VA or Various Artists just displays the artist as VA (which for some reason is at the top of the artists list) and Various Artists, they do not come under compilations menu.
[/quote]
I know what you mean. This link is the closest I could find to help explain things
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....;hl=compilation (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=30752&hl=compilation)
foo_pod was able to mark albums as compilations just like itunes, didn't it?. If not it seems that this feature was only available using Itunes. I could be wrong, though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2007-01-13 20:11:18
can't remember if foo_pod was able to do it compilations. I did try playing with the code for field remapping off of foo_pod website, but had no luck
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2007-01-13 20:25:29
I was just wondering if it would be possible to get tracks to show up under more than one genre in the ipod database. I don't the format of the ipod database, so I'm not sure if a song can only be classified under one genre. If not, could you try to have foo_dop recognize when there are mutliple genre tags? Same question for artist and composer.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: senab on 2007-01-15 22:26:54
I have a current library on my iPod, with iTunes Soundcheck calculation in the files. Is there anyway I can convert the files and iTunesDB with the RG values in the files instead?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-01-15 23:13:12

how can i tag my music to be displayed as compilations on my ipod?

i tried tagging %compliation% to '1'


bump

anybody?
foo_dop doesn't mark anything as "part of a compilation" currently. I don't think I can base it of ALBUM ARTIST since e.g. greatest hits is a compilation. So I will add support for it, but not sure how yet.

Hey musicmusic, thanks for your advice. I am using fb2k v0.9.4.2 with MP3 preferred writing scheme set to ID3v2, writer "compatibility mode" is on (for iTunes). The tag name is "UNSYNCED LYRICS" (for MP3 files). The problem is related only to the songs that are already on the ipod. The ipod will start showing the tags, but only after the lyrics was read by iTunes once. It seems to me like iTunes changes the database record for the title to indicate the presence of the tag. Also the tags are perfectly displayed in all songs if they are added through iTunes. 
  I think I need something that would rescan the ipod database from files. I thought that foo_dop should do that? I've tried using "Reload ipod library metadata from files", but as I said no luck.
What version of foo_dop are you using?

I was just wondering if it would be possible to get tracks to show up under more than one genre in the ipod database. I don't the format of the ipod database, so I'm not sure if a song can only be classified under one genre. If not, could you try to have foo_dop recognize when there are mutliple genre tags? Same question for artist and composer.
I don't believe it is actually possible (in that the iPod or iTunes wouldn't expect to see that in a database)

foo_dop should by default just concatenate the multiple values (comma separated).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: laowai on 2007-01-16 01:04:22

    Hey musicmusic, thanks for your advice. I am using fb2k v0.9.4.2 with MP3 preferred writing scheme set to ID3v2, writer "compatibility mode" is on (for iTunes). The tag name is "UNSYNCED LYRICS" (for MP3 files). The problem is related only to the songs that are already on the ipod. The ipod will start showing the tags, but only after the lyrics was read by iTunes once. It seems to me like iTunes changes the database record for the title to indicate the presence of the tag. Also the tags are perfectly displayed in all songs if they are added through iTunes. 
  I think I need something that would rescan the ipod database from files. I thought that foo_dop should do that? I've tried using "Reload ipod library metadata from files", but as I said no luck.
What version of foo_dop are you using?


  Foobar shows that I am using foo_dop version "0.3.8 TEST".
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: DemonCleaner on 2007-01-23 01:12:48
Hey.. great plugin. Glad to be less reliant on itunes.... though I may have missed something, how do you "eject" your ipod after you're done transfering songs?  I plug it in, and the screen tells me "do not disconnect" I upload songs, then I open itunes and press the eject button.  It'd be nice to skip that last step.

Thanks!

So long iTunes, I hardly knew ye...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Slotos on 2007-01-23 08:55:17
Use windows "Safe removal" feature from systray.

In fact "ejection" is merely unmounting (or removing disk letter/ntfs folder association), to prevent iPod usage when disconnecting. Safe removal makes the same + disconnects the device.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: robaer on 2007-01-26 09:50:10
"Safe removal" is ok, but I'd love to see an "Eject iPod" in the iPod menu. But perhaps it will be implemented in the future.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2007-01-26 11:06:50
"Safe removal" is ok, but I'd love to see an "Eject iPod" in the iPod menu. But perhaps it will be implemented in the future.


Its been requested before and is in the to do list.

http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ShadowVlican on 2007-01-27 00:49:39
Your welcome

Now to anyone who wants Shuffle support, I wouldn't mind a backup of the iTunes\iPod_Control folder of a Shuffle that has only been used with iTunes (it should compress well with 7-Zip). Thanks!

YGPM
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Galova on 2007-01-27 21:43:36
Quote
I'm not sure you understood what I meant..


Why? I understood it quite well 
And also I've tried the announced test version with my iPod Shuffle and it works! Its functionality is limited as its said to be, but all implemented things work just fine. Thank you! I'm looking forward to upcoming things.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: flashover on 2007-01-28 06:54:54
+1 to album art
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gr33dy on 2007-01-29 07:07:47
Does anyone know if this causes any problems if used with Anapod Explorer?  (I know that iTunes and Anapod Explorer have problems when one is used after the other.)

Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ShadowVlican on 2007-01-31 21:50:03
Does anyone know if this causes any problems if used with Anapod Explorer?  (I know that iTunes and Anapod Explorer have problems when one is used after the other.)

Thanks.

i guess it's best to stick with ONE program

i know my shuffle messes up when i use itunes and winamp... so i only use itunes to update/restore and use winamp to upload music
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: copperblue on 2007-02-01 17:41:56
Does anyone know if this causes any problems if used with Anapod Explorer?  (I know that iTunes and Anapod Explorer have problems when one is used after the other.)

Thanks.

Previously having used Anapod didn't cause any problems when I switched to foo_dop, but subsequently with my iPod prepped from a blank state with foo_dop Anapod doesn't recognise the iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: crapple33 on 2007-02-04 00:29:06
Can I use this to organize my albums by year on the iPod, like you can with foo_pod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Early on 2007-02-04 02:56:55
Can I use this to organize my albums by year on the iPod, like you can with foo_pod?


You can remap the composer field to date, and browse the ipod by date.  I dunno how it was before because foo_pod was before my time.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-02-05 19:52:24
Okay, 0.3.9 TEST released (http://yuo.be). This adds support for sending MP4 videos to your iPod. Please see wiki for more info.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zurman on 2007-02-05 23:49:25
Does this plugin work with Ipod Nano 2nd generation (8Gb) ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sumozerg on 2007-02-06 01:06:58
thank you for this great plugin musicmusic, i only have one question. will there ever be gapless support?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gr33dy on 2007-02-06 05:21:23
Okay, 0.3.9 TEST released (http://yuo.be). This adds support for sending MP4 videos to your iPod. Please see wiki for more info.
Great Work!    Thank you very much for this!
Can I use this to organize my albums by year on the iPod, like you can with foo_pod?
This would be an awesome feature!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2007-02-06 09:26:08
Okay, 0.3.9 TEST released (http://yuo.be). This adds support for sending MP4 videos to your iPod. Please see wiki for more info.


Had a quick test last night, it works fine    Now i just have to find a command line converter. Any1 know one?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PokéParadox on 2007-02-06 15:12:03
Unfortunately I get a crash since updating to this version...


EDIT: I think my foobar2000 installation has managed to become corrupt somehow... it doesn't seem to be the plugin that is causing the crash, not sure though. ICK
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-02-06 20:17:06
thank you for this great plugin musicmusic, i only have one question. will there ever be gapless support?
I was planning to work on gapless support for MP3s for next version. MP4s maybe more difficult.

There has also been a bug where files transcoded by foo_dop may not play until the end of the track on the iPod. It is fixed for next version, I think a "relead iPod library info.." should clear it up for now.


Okay, 0.3.9 TEST released (http://yuo.be). This adds support for sending MP4 videos to your iPod. Please see wiki for more info.


Had a quick test last night, it works fine    Now i just have to find a command line converter. Any1 know one?

I know of ffmpeg. I will play around with it when I get some time and put info on wiki if I get some decent results. But note foo_dop doesn't transcode videos.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2007-02-06 23:10:13
I know of ffmpeg. I will play around with it when I get some time and put info on wiki if I get some decent results. But note foo_dop doesn't transcode videos.


Don't expect you to add a transcoder sure it would be a lot of hard work. Would be nice if some1 can find a Command line converter to use with foo_run tho. Had a quick look at handbrake think it will do the trick, im just a bit busy to play with it now. thanks for all the hard work
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2007-02-08 18:49:48
musicmusic, is there any way to access the plugins commands from a batch file? ie send to iPod? i'm hoping similar to stop eg foobar.exe command/stop

i got the command line converter working with foo_run using ffmpeg (thanks for the heads up musicmusic) if any1 interested:

C:\ffmpeg\ffmpeg.exe -vcodec xvid -b 350  -qmax 10 -bufsize 4096 -g 300 -acodec aac -ab 96  -i "%path%" -s 320x240 -aspect 4:3 H:\%filename%.mp4

b = bitrate
i = file to be converted
s = resolution
ab = audio bitrate (i think)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Galova on 2007-02-09 20:56:33
Quote
Its been requested before and is in the to do list.

Would you be so kind and publish some sort of such a "to do" and "done" list?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2007-02-09 21:02:36
Quote
Its been requested before and is in the to do list.

Would you be so kind and publish some sort of such a "to do" and "done" list?

... yuo.be :: foo_dop wiki
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Moofar on 2007-02-11 04:48:41
I love this plugin. It's been an extremely needed addition for many people including myself. Not sure if this is on your list but I will mention it. It converts the rating info into the itunes database when tracks are put on the ipod (nice feature), however it does not put that data back or display it when you do "load library". What I'm looking for is basically a way that I can add a rating to new music on my ipod, then transfer that rating to the copy of the file on my computer. If anyone has any solutions for the interim while this plugin is being developed, please let me know.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: iElectric on 2007-02-12 16:11:19
I've been using this plugin since it's begining of development (musicmusic, you have done a extensive work here, thank you)..

I know you have a lot to do and some bugs to fix, but transcode to mp3 (in my case from FLAC) is really needed. Do you have plans for it in near future?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2007-02-12 18:19:54
I know you have a lot to do and some bugs to fix, but transcode to mp3 (in my case from FLAC) is really needed. Do you have plans for it in near future?

I transcode from FLAC to MP3 with no problems. Use this inside iPod Manager: Command: lame.exe -V 2 --vbr-new - %d  and Extension: mp3

This is assuming that you have lame.exe in the foobar2000 directory. Add your own path to lame.exe if it is different.

Good luck!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: splint3r on 2007-02-15 06:56:21
Hi musicmusic,

Thanks for adding the transcoder, Ive only just started using it but i've had no problems so far.

I was wondering if it should be possible to access "Send to iPod" from the command line, i tried foobar2000.exe "/playing_command:Send to iPod" but it didnt work. The ipod actions on the main menu do work from the command line.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: iElectric on 2007-02-15 21:43:20
@drbeachboy

Nice! Thanks. Makes this plugin even more perfect. I silently hope for last.fm intergration someday, but nothing "very wanted"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Galova on 2007-02-17 13:11:35
Is it possible to add an aac transcoder? It seems to be a native format to iPod. It can be done using the free Nero AAC, used by foobar transcoder by default.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2007-02-17 14:55:53
Is it possible to add an aac transcoder? It seems to be a native format to iPod. It can be done using the free Nero AAC, used by foobar transcoder by default.


correct me if im wrong, but i believe foo_dop doesnt include a transcoder as such it just executes an exe transcoder therefore if u find a acc command line trancoder (a single exe trancoder for acc) if would be able to do the covertion for u.

@musicmusic - small request. On uploading a new playlist could u set it to resort the playlists on the iPod by name. Currently they are just ammended on the bottom.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PokéParadox on 2007-02-27 20:26:29
Well Nero free won't work since the CMDline encoder needs to support pipes...

Well done musicmusic... The plugin now has enough features for me to not have to have iTunes... the only thing missing now is album art assigning.

Just a question to all the foo_doppers... Is it safe to update my iPod Video's firmware? Is it needed? Will it break compatibility with foo_dop? I think I'm still on my original FW version...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2007-02-27 21:21:12
Well Nero free won't work since the CMDline encoder needs to support pipes...

Well done musicmusic... The plugin now has enough features for me to not have to have iTunes... the only thing missing now is album art assigning.

Just a question to all the foo_doppers... Is it safe to update my iPod Video's firmware? Is it needed? Will it break compatibility with foo_dop? I think I'm still on my original FW version...

Nero works fine for me using "neroAacEnc_sse2 -q 0.50 -ignorelength -if - -of %d" in the Conversion area of iPod Manager in Preferences.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PokéParadox on 2007-02-28 08:59:59
Interesting...    Oh well I'm wrong then... 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ignite339 on 2007-03-01 05:20:33
Has anyone tested this on the 5.5 gen iPod Video yet? I'm thinking of buying one of those, and wanted to know if the plugin works with it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2007-03-01 05:40:16
Has anyone tested this on the 5.5 gen iPod Video yet? I'm thinking of buying one of those, and wanted to know if the plugin works with it.

Just fine, expect for the sorting.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dahu on 2007-03-03 14:25:00
Thanks for the plugin musicmusic,

I've just tested 0.3.9 today and it works great for transferring the music to my IPod shuffle 

I have a little feature request, it would be nice to have a functionnality that fills my ipod with songs taken randomly from a playlist. For the time being I do it manually:
PS: I admit I haven't read the full thread so forgive me if the request has already been made before.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: iElectric on 2007-03-03 19:28:30
I use 5.5G iPod and i noticed some things.

- when transcoding files to mp3 with cmd "lame.exe -V 2 --vbr-new - %d", a lot of files don't get transfered, all of my files were the same song "soad - byob". I don't know the reason but i can bug test it for you if you don't have an idea.

-when sending new playlists to ipod, it doesn't sort them, just adds them at the end of the list.

- Last.fm compatibility is still one of my wishes (and one of other's too)

btw: 5.5g, 80gb works like a charm
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Slotos on 2007-03-05 09:14:15
Report:
1. After operations with iPod playlists (no sure about any operation) all smart playlists become broken. I.e. "My Top Rated" is limited to number of songs it had when foobar made changes. Running and closing iTunes helps but installing iTunes just for that reason…

2. Also after any file operations with iPod "On-the-Go" playlist becomes regular playlist and is renamed to "On-the-Go 1/2/3/…" Somewhat irritating.

PS: But anyway, thanks for the great plugin. Saved me plenty of HDD space with it's transcoder

Using iPod Video 80Gb
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-03-05 14:48:27
I use 5.5G iPod and i noticed some things.

- when transcoding files to mp3 with cmd "lame.exe -V 2 --vbr-new - %d", a lot of files don't get transfered, all of my files were the same song "soad - byob". I don't know the reason but i can bug test it for you if you don't have an idea.
What error do you get? If none it should be on your iPod somewhere.

If you are sending the same file (same path) multiple times in one pass it will only send it once.

Also bear in mind on newer iPods if you have an artist with one album and some tracks with no album, you won't be able to browse to the tracks with no album from the Artists menu on the iPod. You can use the remappings to get around that e.g. $if2(%album%,'('None')') for album. That will be the default one day.

Report:
1. After operations with iPod playlists (no sure about any operation) all smart playlists become broken. I.e. "My Top Rated" is limited to number of songs it had when foobar made changes. Running and closing iTunes helps but installing iTunes just for that reason…
I don't quite understand. You mean the playlists become 'forzen', or something else?

If you could send me the iTunesDB with the smart playlists working OK I can look into it. Thanks.

2. Also after any file operations with iPod "On-the-Go" playlist becomes regular playlist and is renamed to "On-the-Go 1/2/3/…" Somewhat irritating.
Yes, but iTunes does the same.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: brendo on 2007-03-06 09:45:29
Just got a 30GB 5.5gen iPod and having trouble getting foo_dop to work.

I used 0.3.9TEST and basically just plugged in iPod and hit synchronise iPod (latest firmware) running Foobar 0.9.4.2. When I go to play my music on the iPod it just skips the tracks and then exits back to the main screen.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Moofar on 2007-03-07 04:12:02
I noticed there is a new version coming out. I just want to say I still love this plugin and check on its development regularly even though there usually isn't anything going on. Most usefull plugin in all of foobar.  My only wish is for a feature to transfer ratings from the ipod database to ratings in metadata (id3 n stuff). That way I could use the rating feature on the ipod for real.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Early on 2007-03-14 03:21:01
Hi musicmusic.  I wanted to pass on the news that itunes 7.1 has changed the itunesdb file.  The issue popped up on the ml_ipod forum link (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?postid=2153194#post2153194), and I thought that foo_dop may be affected as well.  Me, I have no intention of installing itunes, but surely there are some who will.
 

Best,
M

edit:  nevermind, pardon, I should have looked at the changelog first.  You already know about it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ignite339 on 2007-03-15 00:12:46
Awesome plugin, I've said it before in this thread

Just wanted to know if there was this certain feature. I use the Synchronize feature, and I sync a playlist to the iPod. I do use iTunes, but only to put videos, pictures, and podcasts onto the iPod. Now, every time I sync the iPod with foo_dop, it deletes all my videos. I know why this is (the video files aren't in the sync list) but is there anyway I can get around this? I know there is video support but unfortunately it doesn't work too well for me

Thanks again musicmusic!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: HeavensBlade23 on 2007-03-19 02:08:51
When I send a playlist over to the ipod, it sends the contents of what was on the playlist, but not the actual playlist itself.  Is this expected behavior?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ShadowVlican on 2007-03-19 04:03:22
When I send a playlist over to the ipod, it sends the contents of what was on the playlist, but not the actual playlist itself.  Is this expected behavior?

of course it'll send the contents of the playlist..... why would it send the playlist ITSELF? that file would ONLY contain relative links to the music stored on your hard drive, not the ipod

anyways, great work musicmusic!! it's now working perfectly on my 2nd gen shuffle

i love the transcoder support... that was one feature that i needed THE most because my playlist usually contains multiple filetypes (almost every imaginable one believe it or not  )

again, if you need any assistance with respect to the shuffle, feel free to msg me.... i can do testing for you!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: HeavensBlade23 on 2007-03-19 14:43:20
of course it'll send the contents of the playlist..... why would it send the playlist ITSELF? that file would ONLY contain relative links to the music stored on your hard drive, not the ipod


Uh, yeah, but I wanted it to send both.  The whole point of a playlist is to have an easily accessible list of songs that play in a certain order.  If I send my workout playlist to the iPod, then I have to queue up all those songs manually while I'm at the gym trying to exercise.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2007-03-20 22:00:19
sending playlists to my 5.5gen actually sends the playlist which is what its supposed to do. I have had the problem where it only sent the files so i always load the library and playlists after sending a playlist to check its on there. try doing that
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: HeavensBlade23 on 2007-03-21 00:30:56
I figured out the problem, in my case (2g Nano).  If you right click a playlist and ->Send To iPod, it sends the songs but not the playlist itself.

If you go to File->iPod->Send Playlists To iPod, then you get the expected behavior of both the songs and the playlist being sent.

Both should do the latter, in my opinion.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2007-03-21 13:10:20
this is quite hard to explain as i dont really know what causes it:

I had videos on my ipod which i sent using foo_dop all working fine. Was round a mates house (where i believe causes the problem) was stealing stuff off his pc (sending to the HD (disk use) not iPod interface).

Since then the videos are just audio only! is this because he has iTunes installed? (dont even know if he does just tring to work out why the videos are audio only, they dont even have the [_] symbol next to them anymore. Any ideas?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Killmaster on 2007-04-01 21:24:19
Can someone explain how to make the iPod work with the directory structure intact? I renamed the files to fit the 57-char limit with a script, then used the "send to iPod" menu item to send it. This doesn't work however - it shows up in the iPod menus, but nothing will play.

Is there at least a way to go back to the way it was, instead of having to delete and copy 70GB of stuff all over again?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: glamsen on 2007-04-04 00:42:34
hey,
im using rockbox and apple firmware parallel on my ipod. the prob i have is that tracks i load on my ipod without converting em ipod database conform, but just copy my files somewhere on the pod. i can use those tracks with rockbox, but ipodfirmware doesnt recognize em. now i tried rescanning and rebuilding the ipod database, so they get included, but it doesnt work :/ i do remember, foo_pod tried to fix that problem, it just didnt work with 5g so far. I was wondering if there is any solution for that issue, my device is a 5g video 60gb.

thy in advance,

pz

glam

edit: sorry, i was too quick, just read ur faq and figured out how to put them in my own structure, but 2 problems still remain. 1st the tracks dont play on apple firmware and a minor problem, that u are aware of is the digit limitation. i was going to store my files on my ipod like /music/New/Artist-Album-Year plus the length of the track it is nearly impossible to make a good structure for 60 gb music with only 54 digits, is there nothing u can do about that, would be really great! but first of all, the tracks should also play
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: SuperFarStucker on 2007-04-07 20:32:37
foo_dop is an experimental iPod plugin for foobar2000 0.9.3+, currently in alpha version.
Download page (http://yuo.be/ipod.php)

Notes and changelog moved here (http://music.morbo.org/wiki/dop:start). Read them first!


Why closed source?!?

Also, I'm almost certain you're aware but afaik the definitive resource for the iTunesDB format is http://www.ipodlinux.org/ITunesDB (http://www.ipodlinux.org/ITunesDB)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-04-09 10:41:51
foo_dop 0.4.0 experimental released (http://yuo.be/ipod.php). Its experimental because it uses a iTunes 7.1-like database format (but not dataset type 4), including writing the new video sort indices, and these could do with some more testing. Please see the changelog for a complete list of changes.

I figured out the problem, in my case (2g Nano).  If you right click a playlist and ->Send To iPod, it sends the songs but not the playlist itself.

If you go to File->iPod->Send Playlists To iPod, then you get the expected behavior of both the songs and the playlist being sent.

Both should do the latter, in my opinion.
The actions when you right click a playlist act on the items, not the playlist. I agree, its confusing, but this needs to be changed in the UI so those actions are in a "Items" sub-menu.

this is quite hard to explain as i dont really know what causes it:

I had videos on my ipod which i sent using foo_dop all working fine. Was round a mates house (where i believe causes the problem) was stealing stuff off his pc (sending to the HD (disk use) not iPod interface).

Since then the videos are just audio only! is this because he has iTunes installed? (dont even know if he does just tring to work out why the videos are audio only, they dont even have the [_] symbol next to them anymore. Any ideas?

I don't know, but iTunes/iPodService likes rewriting databases without you doing anything. Maybe the database got downgraded to a version not supporting video.

Can someone explain how to make the iPod work with the directory structure intact? I renamed the files to fit the 57-char limit with a script, then used the "send to iPod" menu item to send it. This doesn't work however - it shows up in the iPod menus, but nothing will play.

Is there at least a way to go back to the way it was, instead of having to delete and copy 70GB of stuff all over again?
I did some testing, and it seems like the 5.5G iPod will only play the files if they are within the iPod_Control\Music folder. I don't remember how painful it is moving lots of files on FAT32..


foo_dop is an experimental iPod plugin for foobar2000 0.9.3+, currently in alpha version.
Download page (http://yuo.be/ipod.php)

Notes and changelog moved here (http://music.morbo.org/wiki/dop:start). Read them first!


Why closed source?!?

Is there something you want to know from the source?

Also, I'm almost certain you're aware but afaik the definitive resource for the iTunesDB format is http://www.ipodlinux.org/ITunesDB (http://www.ipodlinux.org/ITunesDB)
Yes, I refer to that site sometimes
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicsalad on 2007-04-10 04:57:23
Thank you, musicmusic, for this fantastic tool! I'm just wondering if you can add a function that automatically transfer the *.lrc file to plain *.txt without time stamped display when a music file, embedded with lrc lyrics, is sent to ipod, while it keeps unchanged in my local music library.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphameric on 2007-04-11 07:07:21
good work so far musicmusic
i know you dont officially support shuffles, however theres an interesting bug with my 1st gen shuffle.

firstly, the plugin detects, and adds music flawlessly. When i remove my ipod the play music from it, it works as well.
however, when i turn off my ipod, after use, then turn it on again, the ipod refuses to play. Reconnecting the ipod to foobar doesnt fix it either. Any attempts to view the database through foobar result in a "missing itunes db object". In order to fix the problem, i have to restore the files with ones take when it was working.

Was just curious to get your thoughts on what may be causing this.
Keep up the good work
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-04-11 17:32:17
good work so far musicmusic
i know you dont officially support shuffles, however theres an interesting bug with my 1st gen shuffle.

firstly, the plugin detects, and adds music flawlessly. When i remove my ipod the play music from it, it works as well.
however, when i turn off my ipod, after use, then turn it on again, the ipod refuses to play. Reconnecting the ipod to foobar doesnt fix it either. Any attempts to view the database through foobar result in a "missing itunes db object". In order to fix the problem, i have to restore the files with ones take when it was working.

Was just curious to get your thoughts on what may be causing this.
Keep up the good work

Hmm, indeed strange  Sounds like something is vaporising the iTunesDB, which would be a strange thing to do 

Which version of foo_dop are you using?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2007-04-11 18:09:21
Thanks for the update! I'm still hoping for albumart and lyric support, though.
I also have an idea. Would it be possible to make an ipod panel which would serve as a drop-point for files? It could be a simple little panel which would just appear as a progress bar showing the space remaining on the ipod. Files could be dragged and dropped from playlists (except SCPL since this isnt supported) as well as directly from explorer windows.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphameric on 2007-04-11 18:53:30
Hmm, indeed strange  Sounds like something is vaporising the iTunesDB, which would be a strange thing to do 

Which version of foo_dop are you using?


4.0 atm
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-04-11 19:53:47

Hmm, indeed strange  Sounds like something is vaporising the iTunesDB, which would be a strange thing to do 

Which version of foo_dop are you using?


4.0 atm

Ok, if you have iTunes installed, if you could do the following I could maybe work out the problem. Restore the Shuffle and add a few files using latest iTunes. Backup the iPod_Control\iTunes folder on your iPod. Then using foobar (foo_dop 0.4.0), enable the "Ignore leading 'The'.." option and do a "Rewrite iPod database". Then make another backup of the iPod_Control\iTunes folder.

Then if you could send me the two archives I could try and work out what foo_dop/iTunes are doing so differently with the Shuffle.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-04-11 20:07:12
Thanks for the update! I'm still hoping for albumart and lyric support, though.

Lyrics support is there, but your files must be tagged with the lyrics in the way the iPod wants them. See wiki.

Albumart - I wrote the database photodb/artworkdb reader/writer and some other stuff, but i stopped when i realised the way the ipod stored the images was going to give me a headache.. (it concatenates multiple images into single files..) Probably I'll come back to it at some point.
I also have an idea. Would it be possible to make an ipod panel which would serve as a drop-point for files? It could be a simple little panel which would just appear as a progress bar showing the space remaining on the ipod. Files could be dragged and dropped from playlists (except SCPL since this isnt supported) as well as directly from explorer windows.
It sounds like something potentially useful. But I dont think ts something Id add for now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2007-04-11 23:42:59
Would it be possible to at least have global variables which store remaining and total space on the ipod? Then we could put it in a panel or the status bar for quick reference.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphameric on 2007-04-12 01:24:43
unfortunately i dont have itunes installed (been 6 months). i was using winamps ml_ipod, which is much faster than itunes. ml_ipod is the only reason i keep winamp installed.

anyways, heres the zip file:
http://www.snapdrive.net/files/52236/folders.zip (http://www.snapdrive.net/files/52236/folders.zip)

it contains 2 folder.
one from when it works, and another from after it breaks.
i can just delete my itunes folder on the ipod and put the working files back.

no files are missing, what is there is what is made
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-04-12 11:05:34
unfortunately i dont have itunes installed (been 6 months). i was using winamps ml_ipod, which is much faster than itunes. ml_ipod is the only reason i keep winamp installed.

anyways, heres the zip file:
http://www.snapdrive.net/files/52236/folders.zip (http://www.snapdrive.net/files/52236/folders.zip)

it contains 2 folder.
one from when it works, and another from after it breaks.
i can just delete my itunes folder on the ipod and put the working files back.

no files are missing, what is there is what is made

Is that basically before and after the shuffle has been restarted?

I think maybe your Shuffle 1G doesn't like iTunes 7.1 iTunesDB format (though I'm not sure what it does with the iTunesDB anyways?) Either that or there is some timestamp, checksum somewhere Im missing. It would be interesting to know what iTunes 7.1 does write to a 1G Shuffle.

Can you try foo_dop 0.3.9?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphameric on 2007-04-12 12:53:11
i'll give 3.9 a try once i break it again, because for some reason, it's working now. All i did was copy the working files back to the ipod after it was broken. Now it works without any problems. I can turn it on and off and it will still work, so something is definitely wonky.

adding music and such might break it, but i'll have to check when i get home.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TDRKZ on 2007-04-15 21:08:37
I'm a little confused about the "How do I store songs on my iPod in my own directory structure?"

I copied my music folders into Ipod (G:) then went into foobar then did "load directory" and selected all the directories that I had just copied and put then chose all those files and did the send to ipod thing. It came up as error though saying that filename too long or something. I have a 5.5g 80gb video ipod.

Any help would be appreciated. Unfortunately I can't rockbox my 5.5g yet because its not supported.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-04-15 23:42:25
I'm a little confused about the "How do I store songs on my iPod in my own directory structure?"

I copied my music folders into Ipod (G:) then went into foobar then did "load directory" and selected all the directories that I had just copied and put then chose all those files and did the send to ipod thing. It came up as error though saying that filename too long or something. I have a 5.5g 80gb video ipod.

Any help would be appreciated. Unfortunately I can't rockbox my 5.5g yet because its not supported.

It was really explained in the wiki you read already:
Quote
Note: The path of media files on the iPod must be less than or equal to 57 characters, including a leading backslash (but not the drive letter or colon) and may only contain ASCII characters. Furthermore, some iPod models will only play files contained within the iPod_Control\Music folder.
In short: there's not much point to it, unless you are particularly annoyed by the Fxx folders. The last note definitely applies to 5.5g iPods with 1.2.1 firmware (it will not play them/skip them).
If you just want to be able to copy files off an iPod, you can just do "load library" in foobar and drag them from there.
I should've also added to the wiki that if you put too many songs in the same directory, the iPod will start skipping them.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2007-04-15 23:43:25
It came up as error though saying that filename too long or something. I have a 5.5g 80gb video ipod.

http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start)  see the wiki.  as it says:
Quote
The path of media files on the iPod must be less than or equal to 57 characters, including a leading backslash (but not the drive letter or colon) and may only contain ASCII characters. Furthermore, some Ipod models will only play files contained within the iPod_Control\Music folder.

So if the total directory + filename is longer than 57 characters it won't work.  Not hard to do with a lot of albums or artists with long names if you use something like artist\album\track number - title.mp3.

This sentence is exactly\ fifty-seven characters long.mp3
^ anything longer than that total.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-04-18 12:59:29
foo_dop 0.4.1 TEST released (http://yuo.be/ipod.php). This adds a gapless info scanner for MP3s only. Please see wiki for usage notes.

It doesn't support MP4 (AAC) because foobar doesn't provide me with the encoder delay/padding values as it does for MP3, and I have zero info on how it is stored in the MP4 file for either iTunes or Nero encoded files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jclim00 on 2007-04-18 13:38:22
GAPLESS! And there was much rejoicing!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sumozerg on 2007-04-20 02:46:22
thank you for your hard work. finally i can get rid of itunes :>
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Killmaster on 2007-05-03 09:07:52
I know that there's a ton of stuff to be done, but I had an feature request that would be really useful:

Add a command (or even better, make it automatic) to add a special tag to all files in the database that match those stored on the iPod. Then you could make an autoplaylist with music that's NOT on the iPod, or format tracks to easily identify which songs are on there, etc. Store the tag in the config file so there's no file modification.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2007-05-03 12:11:27
I know that there's a ton of stuff to be done, but I had an feature request that would be really useful:

Add a command (or even better, make it automatic) to add a special tag to all files in the database that match those stored on the iPod. Then you could make an autoplaylist with music that's NOT on the iPod, or format tracks to easily identify which songs are on there, etc. Store the tag in the config file so there's no file modification.

Not feasible.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: HeavensBlade23 on 2007-05-03 19:38:47
I'm getting I/O errors every time I try to get gapless information on files I ripped myself.  I downloaded a few files and they set gapless just fine.  It seems to have something to do with the way EAC/LAME tags my files.  If I rip a track to wav and then convert and tag it using foobar the I/O errors go away.

It seems to be like this for my entire collection, which were all ripped using EAC and encoded with LAME 3.97 -V 2 --vbr-new.

I can send a few files for analysis if you'd like...pm me.

Is there something you want to know from the source?


I don't think it's so much that anyone needs to know anything from the source as the reason foo_dop is needed in the first place.  The author of the previous ipod plugin kinda disappeared off the face of the earth without releasing source or giving someone else the reigns.  If for some reason you stopped developing foo_dop or lost interest in foobar entirely, the next person would have to start over from scratch.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: HeavensBlade23 on 2007-05-03 19:49:23
Now I'm 99% of the cause.  If id3v2 tags are padded with blank space, as per the EAC option, the resulting tag can't be parsed by foo_dop's gapless scanner.

I encoded five files from a CD.  The first 3 had the padding option off, and the final 2 had the option on.  After attempting to scan all five files for gapless information, the first three scanned correctly, and the last two gave an I/O error.

I was correct after all.

The "Rebuild MP3 Stream" in foobar appears to fix the files so they can be scanned.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-05-10 00:05:19
Now I'm 99% of the cause.  If id3v2 tags are padded with blank space, as per the EAC option, the resulting tag can't be parsed by foo_dop's gapless scanner.

I encoded five files from a CD.  The first 3 had the padding option off, and the final 2 had the option on.  After attempting to scan all five files for gapless information, the first three scanned correctly, and the last two gave an I/O error.

I was correct after all.

The "Rebuild MP3 Stream" in foobar appears to fix the files so they can be scanned.

The component assumes that the leading id3v2 tag (if any) is the first thing in the file, and the mpeg data follows it immediately.

I did see a similar file I had already. Null/zero padding before the id3v2 tag. I just assumed it was a dud file and that id3v2 had some better solution for padding.

I will make it skip any leading null padding for next version (and double check what EAC is doing, it maybe padding after the tag). Thanks for the report.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-05-18 21:58:23
Ok, I know everything I release is a TEST version, but the 0.4.2 (http://yuo.be) really is an experimental version. This adds experimental support for album art for iPod Videos. Since it is now handling the ArtworkDB, a backup of the iPodControl\Artwork folder may be a good idea. There are some notes about the album art support on wiki, it would be a good idea to check that first.

Status of artwork support for other models: I need ArtworkDB samples from such models which have artwork added with iTunes only to add support for those models. I don't think I will be adding artwork support for any iPod that is connected by firewire unless I find a good way to identify which model they are.


Now I'm 99% of the cause.  If id3v2 tags are padded with blank space, as per the EAC option, the resulting tag can't be parsed by foo_dop's gapless scanner.

I encoded five files from a CD.  The first 3 had the padding option off, and the final 2 had the option on.  After attempting to scan all five files for gapless information, the first three scanned correctly, and the last two gave an I/O error.

I was correct after all.

The "Rebuild MP3 Stream" in foobar appears to fix the files so they can be scanned.

The component assumes that the leading id3v2 tag (if any) is the first thing in the file, and the mpeg data follows it immediately.

I did see a similar file I had already. Null/zero padding before the id3v2 tag. I just assumed it was a dud file and that id3v2 had some better solution for padding.

I will make it skip any leading null padding for next version (and double check what EAC is doing, it maybe padding after the tag). Thanks for the report.

I checked and as sense would dictate EAC puts the zero padding after the id3v2 tag. The file I had had id3v2 tag removed but still had padding.. It should be fixed in 0.4.2.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Blankwire on 2007-05-20 16:38:32
I've successfully used foo_dop to convert and transfer my entire Flac collection to my iPod, with album art.

The new 0.4.2 version works perfectly. All that's missing is podcast support in foobar, and I can finally have no regrets ditching iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PokéParadox on 2007-05-21 09:16:16
Well thanks musicmusic, this IS complete for me now. Thanks foryour continued hard work!

The album art is working great!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jclim00 on 2007-05-21 15:17:24
Well thanks musicmusic, this IS complete for me now. Thanks foryour continued hard work!

The album art is working great!


Agreed, thank you for all the hard work on this!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: elishnevsky on 2007-05-21 19:32:07
musicmusic, I would really love to see album art working for iPod Nano. Perhaps I could give you ArtworkDB sample but I hate iTunes so much, that I don't even want to install it just for this  However, if you still need it I guess I can make an exception. Let me know.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-05-21 20:24:42
I've successfully used foo_dop to convert and transfer my entire Flac collection to my iPod, with album art.
Nice

Well thanks musicmusic, this IS complete for me now. Thanks foryour continued hard work!

The album art is working great!
You're welcome

Agreed, thank you for all the hard work on this!
Also welcome

musicmusic, I would really love to see album art working for iPod Nano. Perhaps I could give you ArtworkDB sample but I hate iTunes so much, that I don't even want to install it just for this  However, if you still need it I guess I can make an exception. Let me know.
I have Nano 2G sample now. Actually I found that other info I needed elsewhere on the internet so I'm good now  Thanks for the offer though
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Blankwire on 2007-05-21 21:13:15
Quote
musicmusic, I would really love to see album art working for iPod Nano. Perhaps I could give you ArtworkDB sample but I hate iTunes so much, that I don't even want to install it just for this smile.gif However, if you still need it I guess I can make an exception. Let me know.


That's a sacrifice no Windows user should have to make. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-05-21 22:59:40
Ok, I do need some more info about ArtworkDB:

Can Nano/Nano 2G/Color/Photo owners tell me where the ArtworkDB is stored on your iPod? It should be either iPod_Control\Artwork or iPod_Control\iTunes.

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gfngfgf on 2007-05-22 01:10:04
Can Nano/Nano 2G/Color/Photo owners tell me where the ArtworkDB is stored on your iPod? It should be either iPod_Control\Artwork or iPod_Control\iTunes.

On my Nano 2G, ArtworkDB is in iPod_Control\Artwork.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2007-05-22 01:19:15
I have a photo and a 1st gen nano. Both use iPod_Control\Artwork
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-05-23 13:09:59
Ok, thanks for checking.

I released 0.4.3 TEST (http://yuo.be) which extends the album art support to the Nano and Photo/Color (over USB connection only). I can't test these.. so they are untested. As before a backup of the Artwork folder would be a good idea.

Regarding a better way to identify iPod models (i.e. artwork for iPod Photo/Color over firewire), I did some digging and found there are basically two ways, one that will work on older iPods and one that will work on newer. The latter involes sending a SCSI Inquiry command to the iPod. To my surprise this works without admin privileges on Vista.  The same cannot be said of XP x64 edition, where it does need admin privileges.I would suspect the latter is probably true for XP and 2000 as well but I can't test.

Anyway, there is a button on the tools prefs page to view this info. Its not particularly interesting to read (its more useful for the actual component), main purpose is to check the command is working. It should work on iPods from 4G era and newer. The result should be some info in XML format about your iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: copperblue on 2007-05-23 15:24:40
Works on early iPod Photo 60GB.
Brilliant stuff musicmusic, thank you!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Scheisen2000 on 2007-05-23 15:50:50
just checked new version with my nano 4GB and a few albums...
... works like a charm 

a lot of thanks, musicmusic
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Samwise1130 on 2007-05-23 20:50:35
Anyone noticed anything weird with their Ipod screen after using this component. I haven't isolated it yet--but I think I've noticed something.

Today was the first time I tried the ipod component--and when I was finished, I noticed that there was about 3 pixels all the way around the display that weren't being "lit" even through the screen was on. I've never noticed this before.

I'm not saying it is this components problem/fault...I will certainly try to track it down further--just seemed curious. Anyone else noticed this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: yourtallness on 2007-05-23 22:40:48
Does the link to the location of the latest test version work for you guys?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: db78 on 2007-05-23 22:49:56
Does the link to the location of the latest test version work for you guys?


Right now it's not working
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-05-24 00:08:31
Server is down unfortunately.. its night here so doubt anything will be done about it by my host until tomorrow.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: db78 on 2007-05-24 01:16:16
Server is down unfortunately.. its night here so doubt anything will be done about it by my host until tomorrow.


could you up load it somewhere else please?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-05-24 08:30:12
Well, its morning now.. and the site's up again.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: elishnevsky on 2007-05-25 06:48:32
musicmusic, AlbumArt works fine with Nano 2G! Thank you soooooo much
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PokéParadox on 2007-05-26 13:02:20
hmmm I am a bit confused about lyrics support... Does the iPod have to have a certain version firmware? (I have an iPod video)

Do the lyrics have to be formatted in a certain way? I have many songs with lyrics in the %lyrics% tag, but I can't seem to get any lyrics onto the iPod itself...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bl@ck_warrior on 2007-05-26 14:52:25
Server is down again
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Windy on 2007-05-30 14:23:07
Hi there,

Firstly forgive me for I am a noob. Love foo dop looks like a cracking component, not had an ipod long and am fed up with itunes already.

Wondered if foo dop could support cue sheets? I have a lot of live sets, which I have created cue sheets for and foobar is great for, but when I come to sync my files with the ipod I get:-

"Reason: Files with chapters are not currently supported by foo_dop"

 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: -jk on 2007-05-30 14:47:09
Joined these board just beacause of you musicmusic

Your hard work is really appreciated by manys. 
Thank you for developing and for constantly updating this plugin. Album Art feature is brilliant. The automatic conversion of Replaygain, too.

However there is one thing which is really annoying me: I've foo_count (think it's the unofficial one) installed and everytime i snychronise my iPod the updated files a sent to the iPod anew, It'd be handy if you could make foo_pod ignoring those tags.
best regards
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: clunesy on 2007-05-30 15:28:07
This thing is really coming on in leaps and bounds now. Big kudos on all your hard work, mm. I'm nearly ready to upgrade from foo_pod. Just one thing that isn't happening for me. The custom TAGZ strings that I use in 0.8.3 / foo_pod  don't work properly in 0.9.x / foo_dop. I've copied and pasted them straight across They're shown here. First custom string is for title, 2nd for album

$if($stricmp($left(%_path%,7),g:\non-),[$if2(%title%,%_filename%)]!['('%__replaygain_track_gain%')'],[$if2(%title%,%_filename%)]['('%__replaygain_track_gain%')'])

$replace($if2(%album artist%,$if($stricmp($left(%artist%,4),The ),$substr(%artist%,5,17),$substr(%artist%,1,13))[[$right(%date%,2)]%album%]), ,)

It seems like foo_dop doesn't recognise tag fields that aren't directly used to fill the itunes database. Its happy with title / artist / album etc,

but not with 'album artist' 'path' 'replaygain' etc. 

Would it be much of a chore to allow foo_pod to be compliant across all the available tag field types used in TAGZ ? Or have I misunderstood the situation.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-05-30 15:58:07
Works on early iPod Photo 60GB.
Brilliant stuff musicmusic, thank you!
Thanks for testing

just checked new version with my nano 4GB and a few albums...
... works like a charm 

a lot of thanks, musicmusic
Thanks for testing also

Anyone noticed anything weird with their Ipod screen after using this component. I haven't isolated it yet--but I think I've noticed something.

Today was the first time I tried the ipod component--and when I was finished, I noticed that there was about 3 pixels all the way around the display that weren't being "lit" even through the screen was on. I've never noticed this before.

I'm not saying it is this components problem/fault...I will certainly try to track it down further--just seemed curious. Anyone else noticed this?
Well, iPods can do strange things. If you restart it (menu + middle button usually) it will probably clear up.

musicmusic, AlbumArt works fine with Nano 2G! Thank you soooooo much
Again thanks for testing and you're welcome


hmmm I am a bit confused about lyrics support... Does the iPod have to have a certain version firmware? (I have an iPod video)

Do the lyrics have to be formatted in a certain way? I have many songs with lyrics in the %lyrics% tag, but I can't seem to get any lyrics onto the iPod itself...
It depends on file format (MP3 vs MP4). Its explained on Notes page on wiki.

Hi there,

Firstly forgive me for I am a noob. Love foo dop looks like a cracking component, not had an ipod long and am fed up with itunes already.

Wondered if foo dop could support cue sheets? I have a lot of live sets, which I have created cue sheets for and foobar is great for, but when I come to sync my files with the ipod I get:-

"Reason: Files with chapters are not currently supported by foo_dop"

 

The reason is its quite complicated to actually handle. For single files split by a a cue sheet, I could send the file to the iPod and add chapters in the iPod's DB, but AFAIK they won't appear as separate tracks in the track lists as they would in foobar2000. Also this can't be done on older iPods. Other option is to find some way to send them as separate tracks. I don't know of a way they works partiulary great however.

Joined these board just beacause of you musicmusic

Your hard work is really appreciated by manys. 
Thank you for developing and for constantly updating this plugin. Album Art feature is brilliant. The automatic conversion of Replaygain, too.

However there is one thing which is really annoying me: I've foo_count (think it's the unofficial one) installed and everytime i snychronise my iPod the updated files a sent to the iPod anew, It'd be handy if you could make foo_pod ignoring those tags.
best regards
The problem is that the tag write modifies the file, so foo_dop can't match it to any of the tracks on the iPod so it gets resent.

When you send a track to the iPod foo_dop does also store the original location of the track but this information is not currently used. When I do enable the use of it I could add a "less strict" option for syncing so that files modified locally aren't transferred again (provided that the files haven't been moved etc.) This would help with your problem.

This thing is really coming on in leaps and bounds now. Big kudos on all your hard work, mm. I'm nearly ready to upgrade from foo_pod. Just one thing that isn't happening for me. The custom TAGZ strings that I use in 0.8.3 / foo_pod  don't work properly in 0.9.x / foo_dop. I've copied and pasted them straight across They're shown here. First custom string is for title, 2nd for album

$if($stricmp($left(%_path%,7),g:\non-),[$if2(%title%,%_filename%)]!['('%__replaygain_track_gain%')'],[$if2(%title%,%_filename%)]['('%__replaygain_track_gain%')'])

$replace($if2(%album artist%,$if($stricmp($left(%artist%,4),The ),$substr(%artist%,5,17),$substr(%artist%,1,13))[[$right(%date%,2)]%album%]), ,)

It seems like foo_dop doesn't recognise tag fields that aren't directly used to fill the itunes database. Its happy with title / artist / album etc,

but not with 'album artist' 'path' 'replaygain' etc. 

Would it be much of a chore to allow foo_pod to be compliant across all the available tag field types used in TAGZ ? Or have I misunderstood the situation.
I think you have just fallen to the title formatting changes in 0.9. It added remapped fields (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Foobar2000:Titleformat_Reference) amongst other changes.

Also i don't see it as relevant to your problem, but it formats the titles directly though the titleformat api so any funny components that add fields won't work here.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ChinStrap on 2007-05-30 17:31:48
I've noticed that some songs that I add to my 80gb Video iPod don't get the specified field renamings I give them. It is most noticable with the simple

%tracknumber% - %title%

rule I have for the "title" field.  Any idea why that might happen, and is there a way to make foo_dop refresh the field renamings without deleting and recopying my songs?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: clunesy on 2007-05-30 21:27:26
It seems like chinstrap's problem is related. So is it possible to create a TAGZ string to achieve the same results ?

Title field -  Title followed by ! if the file is from a particular path followed by replaytrack gain level.

The album I like to use a few characters from the artist (stripping 'The') then the last two digits of the year, and then as much of the album name as will fit.  Since I listen to multiple albums I'm unfamiliar with I like to look up all the info in one field (artist/year/album). I find it easier to browse this way.

any ideas ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: HeavensBlade23 on 2007-05-30 22:54:50
Album art support appears to work correctly on a 2g nano.  Only tested one album though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: yourtallness on 2007-05-30 23:24:22
Only one file transfer to my iPod Nano 2G 2GB via foo_dop was enough to get me to uninstall i-Tunes.

Thank you for freeing us from corporate lock-in musicmusic! Great tool!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: inverse on 2007-06-01 15:54:08
I found foo_dop won't check the duplication properly, if I send the tracks already on ipod, I get two same tracks on my ipod after.
Isn't that normal, or because I miss something here?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-06-01 16:16:40
It seems like chinstrap's problem is related. So is it possible to create a TAGZ string to achieve the same results ?

Title field -  Title followed by ! if the file is from a particular path followed by replaytrack gain level.

The album I like to use a few characters from the artist (stripping 'The') then the last two digits of the year, and then as much of the album name as will fit.  Since I listen to multiple albums I'm unfamiliar with I like to look up all the info in one field (artist/year/album). I find it easier to browse this way.

any ideas ?

Well looking at your string there are some problems.

In the first:
* %path% is not reliable here. It could be source path or path on the iPod.
* $if2(%title%,%_filename%) doesn't make sense. Look at the mapping of %title%.

In the second:
* It doesn't do what you say if %album artist% is present.
* The mapping of %album artist% again means it makes no sense.

I tried both strings and got expected results (the second string had to be modified though). If you are not then maybe check what version of foo_dop you are using and update. And check the replaygain tags are actually showing up in foobar (0.9).

I've noticed that some songs that I add to my 80gb Video iPod don't get the specified field renamings I give them. It is most noticable with the simple

%tracknumber% - %title%

rule I have for the "title" field.  Any idea why that might happen

Seems ok here. Anything differentiating those files (were they transcoded by foo_dop?).

is there a way to make foo_dop refresh the field renamings without deleting and recopying my songs?
Yes, there is some kind of 'reload metadata' command in the main menu that will do it.

I found foo_dop won't check the duplication properly, if I send the tracks already on ipod, I get two same tracks on my ipod after.
Isn't that normal, or because I miss something here?

Depends on command you are using. See notes page on wiki.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zmur on 2007-06-01 17:44:34
great plugin, thanks for your hard work
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Thelonious Monk on 2007-06-02 05:03:26
looks like a great plugin; having problems though. using 0.9.4.3 and 0.3.9 with a 4gb ipod nano, 1st generation.

basically, when i click "browse ipod" i get this:

Quote
Error reading iTunesDB : Generic win32 I/O error


on windows xp home. should i just get a newer version?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-06-02 08:31:11
looks like a great plugin; having problems though. using 0.9.4.3 and 0.3.9 with a 4gb ipod nano, 1st generation.

basically, when i click "browse ipod" i get this:

Quote
Error reading iTunesDB : Generic win32 I/O error


on windows xp home. should i just get a newer version?
Well being generic, the error could mean a lot of things. New version won't make any difference. Check the Event Viewer to see if there is any matching message there.

Something else you can try is copying the iTunesDB file of the iPod yourself (using windows explorer), if it fails there would probably be a more specific error.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Murmur2k on 2007-06-03 10:18:13
MusicMusic - I'd just like to say thanks very much for your excellent plugin here. It has really enabled me to drop the junk that is iTunes! Seems to all work very well - album art included on 60gb 5G Ipod.

Just need to work out how to deal with podcasts in the new system.. can anyone help me with this? Say I download the MP3 or whatever from the podcast feed.. how would I tag it to have it identified as a podcast on the ipod? Thanks!

Also - say if I had a HDD full of FLAC and I wanted them as AAC on the iPod - is it possible to convert during SYNC without having to keep AAC on the PC? Then when I resync it wouldn't create dupes and know that this AAC file is linked to this FLAC file on the PC?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-06-03 19:10:51
Just need to work out how to deal with podcasts in the new system.. can anyone help me with this? Say I download the MP3 or whatever from the podcast feed.. how would I tag it to have it identified as a podcast on the ipod? Thanks!

Itis not really possible using foo_dop

Also - say if I had a HDD full of FLAC and I wanted them as AAC on the iPod - is it possible to convert during SYNC without having to keep AAC on the PC? Then when I resync it wouldn't create dupes and know that this AAC file is linked to this FLAC file on the PC?
Yes, you just need to download a CLI encoder (e.g. the nero one) and set it up in prefs. See wiki for more info. Yes it will remember what the source file was provided you don't move it, so it shouldn't be encoded again when you sync again.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Murmur2k on 2007-06-03 23:20:51
Itis not really possible using foo_dop

Too bad - I can survive by just putting them all in the same folder for now.

Yes, you just need to download a CLI encoder (e.g. the nero one) and set it up in prefs. See wiki for more info. Yes it will remember what the source file was provided you don't move it, so it shouldn't be encoded again when you sync again.

Thats cool -  I don't see anything in the wiki regarding the CLI stuff, or maybe I am not looking properly! Anyone able to point me in the right direction?
EDIT: Ignore that - I found this:

Configuration:

    *The command to execute must be entered in the “Command” field. Use %d for the destination file parameter E.g. LAME - %d
    *Enter the file extension of the target file format in the “Extension” field. E.g. MP3, MP4

Does this mean that it handles the conversion itself or do I define quality etc?

Thanks again!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-06-03 23:51:53
Well, let me sum up what you need to do:

* Download the Nero AAC encoder (http://www.nero.com/nerodigital/eng/Nero_Digital_Audio.html) (or one of your choice)
* Fill in the command (stdin as encoder input, %d output) e.g.
Code: [Select]
neroAacEnc -if - -of %d
If neroAacEnc.exe isn't on the path, you can use a full path but be sure to enclose it in quotes.
* Fill in the extension e.g. MP4

You can run neroAacEnc -help from a command prompt to see the full options available (i.e. for quality). So yes, you control the quality through the command you specify.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Murmur2k on 2007-06-04 17:52:54
Well, let me sum up what you need to do:

* Download the Nero AAC encoder (http://www.nero.com/nerodigital/eng/Nero_Digital_Audio.html) (or one of your choice)
* Fill in the command (stdin as encoder input, %d output) e.g.
Code: [Select]
neroAacEnc -if - -of %d
If neroAacEnc.exe isn't on the path, you can use a full path but be sure to enclose it in quotes.
* Fill in the extension e.g. MP4

You can run neroAacEnc -help from a command prompt to see the full options available (i.e. for quality). So yes, you control the quality through the command you specify.


Thanks for your time & the excellent DLL!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Slotos on 2007-06-07 10:28:27
Feature request: option to disable file info read, using only iTunesDB data.

I have 80Gb iPod Video with 3000-8000 songs on it. During file info read it warms up quite enough to make me worry about HDD integrity. I think "Update DB from files tags" will be enough for me.

Thanks in advance,
  Slotos.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: copperblue on 2007-06-07 11:04:08
I am now experiencing severe [start of track skipping] buffering issues on my early iPod Photo 60GB since enabling album art.
Some of the mp3 files have the album art embedded, and some of the mp3 files have the album art imported by foo_dop from ...\album folder\cover.jpg, size generally 300-300 pixels ie not huge.

Anyone else experiencing this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-06-07 12:44:26
Feature request: option to disable file info read, using only iTunesDB data.

I have 80Gb iPod Video with 3000-8000 songs on it. During file info read it warms up quite enough to make me worry about HDD integrity. I think "Update DB from files tags" will be enough for me.

Thanks in advance,
  Slotos.
Hi,
How it works is it keeps a cache of all metadata read on the iPod, and then loads the info from any new or changed files. So in theory it should be relatively fast if all files are in the cache, and it takes ~16 seconds on my 30GB iPod Video.

Now I can't just use the data in iTunesDB for a number of reasons. But what I have done is move the "have files changed" check onto foo_dop's side rather than foobar2000's side. This has reduced the time for scanning for me to ~7 seconds (again all files in cache). This also allows me to work around foobar's [a href='index.php?showtopic=50841']summer time problems[/a].

So try the next version when it's released; it should be faster.

I am now experiencing severe [start of track skipping] buffering issues on my early iPod Photo 60GB since enabling album art.
Some of the mp3 files have the album art embedded, and some of the mp3 files have the album art imported by foo_dop from ...\album folder\cover.jpg, size generally 300-300 pixels ie not huge.

Anyone else experiencing this?

Hi,
Im not sure how foo_dop would cause this but let me ask some questions:
-Is it files with embedded artwork that skip or files that foo_dop set artwork for that skip?
-If its the latter did you try adding artwork using e.g. iTunes to see if it made a difference?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Blankwire on 2007-06-08 22:49:21
I have a simple feature request. Wouldn't it be possible to add an option to enable "dual core support" when files are transcoded (using each core of a processor for a conversion instance) to increase the speed of transferring and syncing lossless music? That should make things quite a bit faster.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Woodenhead on 2007-06-08 23:28:59
Hey, musicmusic. I just wanted to thank you for this excellent plugin. Great work! I was tired of iTunes screwing everything up. This works flawlessly for me. I just upgraded my 60GB video iPod with a new 100GB hard drive and synced over 87GB with no problems; artwork & playlists included. Took quite awhile though, but that's to be expected with that much data. Can't thank you enough. Keep it up!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gob on 2007-06-09 05:06:12
Hey, musicmusic. I just wanted to thank you for this excellent plugin. Great work! I was tired of iTunes screwing everything up. This works flawlessly for me. I just upgraded my 60GB video iPod with a new 100GB hard drive and synced over 87GB with no problems; artwork & playlists included. Took quite awhile though, but that's to be expected with that much data. Can't thank you enough. Keep it up!



Same here musicmusic, i don't have an ipod, but i have some friends that do and they absolutely love foo_dop. seems to work solidly for a few people that are complete noobs to foobar, but i set them up with a nice custom configuration that works well for their music needs and they have no complaints
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: copperblue on 2007-06-09 06:52:05

I am now experiencing severe [start of track skipping] buffering issues on my early iPod Photo 60GB since enabling album art.
Some of the mp3 files have the album art embedded, and some of the mp3 files have the album art imported by foo_dop from ...\album folder\cover.jpg, size generally 300-300 pixels ie not huge.

Anyone else experiencing this?

Hi,
Im not sure how foo_dop would cause this but let me ask some questions:
-Is it files with embedded artwork that skip or files that foo_dop set artwork for that skip?
-If its the latter did you try adding artwork using e.g. iTunes to see if it made a difference?


Hmm. I have recently retagged my entire library in iTunes compatibility mode from Foobar, and it stripped out all the embedded album art (duh! I should have remembered that would happen :/ ), and my last backup was of the retagged files, so I have no way of knowing which of the files was what.

The good news is that following a restore and reload the iPod buffering issue is resolved.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Murmur2k on 2007-06-09 20:15:02
Hi MusicMusic - I'm using foo_dop to great effect now! Just a quick question or two for you...

- If I update a file's tag or replace some lossy format to flac on the source PC will foo_dop recognise this and retranscode/reupload upon syncing?

- Does foo_dop transfer all the files that require transcoding first before all the lossy ones?

- Are there any library files that the plugin stores on the source PC that I need to backup if I reinstall windows?

- Do you have a donation account setup on paypal?


Also has anyone noticed a slowdown in performance on the ipod itself? I think it may be artwork related (what resolution image is put onto the ipod?).. I also notice the track time lagging.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: copperblue on 2007-06-10 10:05:51


I am now experiencing severe [start of track skipping] buffering issues on my early iPod Photo 60GB since enabling album art.
Some of the mp3 files have the album art embedded, and some of the mp3 files have the album art imported by foo_dop from ...\album folder\cover.jpg, size generally 300-300 pixels ie not huge.

Anyone else experiencing this?

Hi,
Im not sure how foo_dop would cause this but let me ask some questions:
-Is it files with embedded artwork that skip or files that foo_dop set artwork for that skip?
-If its the latter did you try adding artwork using e.g. iTunes to see if it made a difference?


Hmm. I have recently retagged my entire library in iTunes compatibility mode from Foobar, and it stripped out all the embedded album art (duh! I should have remembered that would happen :/ ), and my last backup was of the retagged files, so I have no way of knowing which of the files was what.

The good news is that following a restore and reload the iPod buffering issue is resolved.


I spoke too soon here, the buffering problem remains. When loading up a track the device becomes unresponsive and skips or pauses for the first few seconds whilst loading up the artwork.
None of my files have any embedded artwork now <g> and the cover.jpgs are typically 32kb in size.
The mp3 files themselves are typically max vbr or 320K CBR files, so on the large size.
I have removed all the files off my iPod, reverted to the previous version of foo_dop, reloaded all the files, and everything is fine for now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Murmur2k on 2007-06-10 10:22:43
Just to confirm i am seeing this same behaviour on my 60gb 5th gen video ipod. All artwork was as folder.jpg files in each album directory and generally 500 x 500px. Does dop create thumbnails itself or move full res artwork across? Otherwise maybe they need more compression?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-06-11 15:45:00
I have a simple feature request. Wouldn't it be possible to add an option to enable "dual core support" when files are transcoded (using each core of a processor for a conversion instance) to increase the speed of transferring and syncing lossless music? That should make things quite a bit faster.
The block of code dealing with sending files would need rewriting to accommodate that and its quite a large temperamental block so I don't plan on rewriting it at the moment. Also some surrounding issues (would have to encode to local temp file to avoid fragmentation on iPod etc.)

Hi MusicMusic - I'm using foo_dop to great effect now! Just a quick question or two for you...

- If I update a file's tag or replace some lossy format to flac on the source PC will foo_dop recognise this and retranscode/reupload upon syncing?
I don't know if its the answer you wanted, but yes is the answer.

- Does foo_dop transfer all the files that require transcoding first before all the lossy ones?
No. They are sent in arbitrary order.

- Are there any library files that the plugin stores on the source PC that I need to backup if I reinstall windows?
No. It stores library files directly on iPod.

I spoke too soon here, the buffering problem remains. When loading up a track the device becomes unresponsive and skips or pauses for the first few seconds whilst loading up the artwork.
None of my files have any embedded artwork now <g> and the cover.jpgs are typically 32kb in size.
The mp3 files themselves are typically max vbr or 320K CBR files, so on the large size.
I have removed all the files off my iPod, reverted to the previous version of foo_dop, reloaded all the files, and everything is fine for now.
Right, so questions:
-Does it only happen when lots of tracks have artwork?
-Does it happen on a file when you use iTunes to add artwork for it

Its difficult to work out the problem because I don't have an issue on my 5.5G iPod. Can you post the XML data from 'View iPod Device Information' in latest version so I can check I'm writing the right format for the artwork? (remove your serial number from the info)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: copperblue on 2007-06-11 16:04:12
Right, so questions:
-Does it only happen when lots of tracks have artwork?

My hunch, after testing, is yes.
-Does it happen on a file when you use iTunes to add artwork for it

I don't use iTunes to add artwork to files.
Edit: possible misunderstanding - I only use iTunes to restore the iPod.
The last set of files didn't have any embedded art at all.
Its difficult to work out the problem because I don't have an issue on my 5.5G iPod. Can you post the XML data from 'View iPod Device Information' in latest version so I can check I'm writing the right format for the artwork? (remove your serial number from the info)

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>AppleDRMVersion</key>
<dict>
<key>Minimum</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>Maximum</key>
<integer>4</integer>
</dict>
<key>AudioCodecs</key>
<dict>
<key>AIFF</key>
<dict>
<key>Mono</key>
<true/>
<key>Stereo</key>
<true/>
<key>Multichannel</key>
<false/>
<key>MaximumSampleRate</key>
<integer>48000</integer>
<key>MaximumBitDepth</key>
<integer>16</integer>
</dict>
<key>MP3</key>
<dict>
<key>Mono</key>
<true/>
<key>Stereo</key>
<true/>
<key>MaximumSampleRate</key>
<integer>48000</integer>
<key>MaximumDataRate</key>
<integer>320</integer>
</dict>
<key>WAV</key>
<dict>
<key>Mono</key>
<true/>
<key>Stereo</key>
<true/>
<key>Multichannel</key>
<false/>
<key>MaximumSampleRate</key>
<integer>48000</integer>
<key>MaximumBitDepth</key>
<integer>16</integer>
</dict>
<key>AAC</key>
<dict>
<key>AppleDRM</key>
<true/>
<key>MaximumSampleRate</key>
<integer>48000</integer>
<key>LC</key>
<dict>
<key>VariableBitRate</key>
<true/>
<key>PerceptualNoiseSubsitution</key>
<true/>
</dict>
</dict>
<key>AppleLossless</key>
<dict>
<key>Mono</key>
<true/>
<key>Stereo</key>
<true/>
<key>Multichannel</key>
<false/>
<key>MaximumBitDepth</key>
<integer>32</integer>
<key>MaximumBitDepthUntruncated</key>
<integer>16</integer>
<key>MaximumSampleRate</key>
<integer>48000</integer>
<key>AppleDRM</key>
<true/>
</dict>
<key>Audible</key>
<dict>
<key>Type1</key>
<false/>
<key>Type2</key>
<true/>
<key>Type3</key>
<true/>
<key>Type4</key>
<true/>
</dict>
</dict>
<key>BuildID</key>
<string>4.2.1</string>
<key>ConnectedBus</key>
<string>USB</string>
<key>MaxTransferSpeed</key>
<integer>61440</integer>
<key>FamilyID</key>
<integer>5</integer>
<key>FireWireGUID</key>
<string>000A270002BA203D</string>
<key>FireWireVersion</key>
<string>1.62</string>
<key>ImageSpecifications</key>
<array>
<key>1019</key>
<dict>
<key>FormatId</key>
<integer>1019</integer>
<key>DisplayWidth</key>
<integer>720</integer>
<key>RenderWidth</key>
<integer>640</integer>
<key>RenderHeight</key>
<integer>480</integer>
<key>PixelFormat</key>
<string>32767579</string>
<key>Interlaced</key>
<false/>
<key>ColorAdjustment</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>GammaAdjustment</key>
<real>2.2</real>
<key>Crop</key>
<false/>
<key>AlignRowBytes</key>
<false/>
</dict>
<key>1020</key>
<dict>
<key>FormatId</key>
<integer>1020</integer>
<key>RenderWidth</key>
<integer>176</integer>
<key>RenderHeight</key>
<integer>220</integer>
<key>PixelFormat</key>
<string>42353635</string>
<key>Interlaced</key>
<false/>
<key>ColorAdjustment</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>GammaAdjustment</key>
<real>2.2</real>
<key>Crop</key>
<false/>
<key>AlignRowBytes</key>
<true/>
<key>Rotation</key>
<integer>270</integer>
</dict>
<key>1009</key>
<dict>
<key>FormatId</key>
<integer>1009</integer>
<key>RenderWidth</key>
<integer>41</integer>
<key>RenderHeight</key>
<integer>30</integer>
<key>DisplayWidth</key>
<integer>41</integer>
<key>PixelFormat</key>
<string>4C353635</string>
<key>Interlaced</key>
<false/>
<key>ColorAdjustment</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>GammaAdjustment</key>
<real>2.2</real>
<key>Crop</key>
<true/>
<key>AlignRowBytes</key>
<true/>
</dict>
<key>1015</key>
<dict>
<key>FormatId</key>
<integer>1015</integer>
<key>RenderWidth</key>
<integer>130</integer>
<key>RenderHeight</key>
<integer>88</integer>
<key>DisplayWidth</key>
<integer>130</integer>
<key>PixelFormat</key>
<string>4C353635</string>
<key>Interlaced</key>
<false/>
<key>ColorAdjustment</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>GammaAdjustment</key>
<real>2.2</real>
<key>Crop</key>
<false/>
<key>AlignRowBytes</key>
<true/>
</dict>
</array>
<key>AlbumArt</key>
<array>
<key>1016</key>
<dict>
<key>FormatId</key>
<integer>1016</integer>
<key>RenderWidth</key>
<integer>140</integer>
<key>RenderHeight</key>
<integer>140</integer>
<key>PixelFormat</key>
<string>4C353635</string>
<key>Interlaced</key>
<false/>
<key>ColorAdjustment</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>GammaAdjustment</key>
<real>2.2</real>
<key>Crop</key>
<false/>
<key>AlignRowBytes</key>
<true/>
<key>BackColor</key>
<string>FFFFFFFF</string>
</dict>
<key>1017</key>
<dict>
<key>FormatId</key>
<integer>1017</integer>
<key>RenderWidth</key>
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<key>RenderHeight</key>
<integer>56</integer>
<key>PixelFormat</key>
<string>4C353635</string>
<key>Interlaced</key>
<false/>
<key>ColorAdjustment</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>GammaAdjustment</key>
<real>2.2</real>
<key>Crop</key>
<false/>
<key>AlignRowBytes</key>
<true/>
<key>BackColor</key>
<string>FFFFFFFF</string>
</dict>
</array>
<key>PodcastsSupported</key>
<true/>
<key>ChapterImageSpecs</key>
<array>
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<dict>
<key>FormatId</key>
<integer>1016</integer>
<key>RenderWidth</key>
<integer>140</integer>
<key>RenderHeight</key>
<integer>140</integer>
<key>PixelFormat</key>
<string>4C353635</string>
<key>Interlaced</key>
<false/>
<key>ColorAdjustment</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>GammaAdjustment</key>
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<key>AlignRowBytes</key>
<true/>
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<string>FFFFFFFF</string>
</dict>
<key>1017</key>
<dict>
<key>FormatId</key>
<integer>1017</integer>
<key>RenderWidth</key>
<integer>56</integer>
<key>RenderHeight</key>
<integer>56</integer>
<key>PixelFormat</key>
<string>4C353635</string>
<key>Interlaced</key>
<false/>
<key>ColorAdjustment</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>GammaAdjustment</key>
<real>2.2</real>
<key>Crop</key>
<false/>
<key>AlignRowBytes</key>
<true/>
<key>BackColor</key>
<string>FFFFFFFF</string>
</dict>
</array>
<key>MinITVersion</key>
<string>4.7</string>
<key>SerialNumber</key>
<string>JQ44637XR5R</string>
<key>UpdaterFamilyID</key>
<integer>5</integer>
<key>VisibleBuildID</key>
<string>1.2.1</string>
<key>OEMID</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>OEMV</key>
<integer>5</integer>
<key>PowerInformation</key>
<dict>
<key>WillFlash</key>
<false/>
<key>USB</key>
<true/>
<key>FireWire</key>
<false/>
</dict>
<key>VoiceMemosSupported</key>
<true/>
<key>AutoRebootAfterFirmwareUpdate</key>
<true/>
<key>VolumeFormat</key>
<string>FAT32</string>
</dict>
</plist>
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Murmur2k on 2007-06-11 18:19:17

Hi MusicMusic - I'm using foo_dop to great effect now! Just a quick question or two for you...

- If I update a file's tag or replace some lossy format to flac on the source PC will foo_dop recognise this and retranscode/reupload upon syncing?
I don't know if its the answer you wanted, but yes is the answer.



Thats what I wanted - great!

Here is my XML without serial if of additional use...

Code: [Select]
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>AppleDRMVersion</key>
<dict>
<key>Minimum</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>Maximum</key>
<integer>4</integer>
<key>Format</key>
<integer>2</integer>
</dict>
<key>AudioCodecs</key>
<dict>
<key>AIFF</key>
<dict>
<key>Mono</key>
<true/>
<key>Stereo</key>
<true/>
<key>Multichannel</key>
<false/>
<key>MaximumSampleRate</key>
<integer>48000</integer>
<key>MaximumBitDepth</key>
<integer>16</integer>
</dict>
<key>MP3</key>
<dict>
<key>Mono</key>
<true/>
<key>Stereo</key>
<true/>
<key>MaximumSampleRate</key>
<integer>48000</integer>
<key>MaximumDataRate</key>
<integer>320</integer>
</dict>
<key>WAV</key>
<dict>
<key>Mono</key>
<true/>
<key>Stereo</key>
<true/>
<key>Multichannel</key>
<false/>
<key>MaximumSampleRate</key>
<integer>48000</integer>
<key>MaximumBitDepth</key>
<integer>16</integer>
</dict>
<key>AAC</key>
<dict>
<key>AppleDRM</key>
<true/>
<key>MaximumSampleRate</key>
<integer>48000</integer>
<key>LC</key>
<dict>
<key>VariableBitRate</key>
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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-06-12 00:10:54

Right, so questions:
-Does it only happen when lots of tracks have artwork?

My hunch, after testing, is yes.

Ok - have you put artwork on a similar number of files on your iPod with another prog?

I added over 1000 tracks with artwork to my iPod, didn't have any problems (but again it's an iPod Video). Another theory: It could be related to non-square artwork since I used square artwork only. Is your album art square or do some have non-equal width and height?

Otherwise I am just going to put it down to firmware bugs and make it easier to disable album art support.


-Does it happen on a file when you use iTunes to add artwork for it

I don't use iTunes to add artwork to files.
Edit: possible misunderstanding - I only use iTunes to restore the iPod.
The last set of files didn't have any embedded art at all.
I meant try using iTunes to add artwork to some file on your iPod and compare to something foo_dop did. But there maybe some issues doing this, I don't remember.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Murmur2k on 2007-06-12 09:28:44
Ok - have you put artwork on a similar number of files on your iPod with another prog?

I added over 1000 tracks with artwork to my iPod, didn't have any problems (but again it's an iPod Video). Another theory: It could be related to non-square artwork since I used square artwork only. Is your album art square or do some have non-equal width and height?

Otherwise I am just going to put it down to firmware bugs and make it easier to disable album art support.


Well - I am using Ipod Video (60gb), 3000 music tracks, most have 500x500 artwork but quite a few are non-square ratio e.g. 300x302 etc


Just did a test: 475*472 artwork track took about 5 seconds to stabilise and display artwork on ipod.
                      1423*1426 (source) artwork track was less than 1 second?!
                      500*500 was less than 1 second

Seems a little random!  I never had any trouble with this lagging using iTunes alone.
Cheers
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-06-12 10:36:01
Well - I am using Ipod Video (60gb), 3000 music tracks, most have 500x500 artwork but quite a few are non-square ratio e.g. 300x302 etc


Just did a test: 475*472 artwork track took about 5 seconds to stabilise and display artwork on ipod.
                      1423*1426 (source) artwork track was less than 1 second?!
                      500*500 was less than 1 second

Seems a little random!  I never had any trouble with this lagging using iTunes alone.
Cheers
copperblue's problem was the track skipping whilst loading artwork - what exactly is yours? It sounds like its just the fact that artwork sometimes takes a few seconds to load (not affecting playback). I can see that, I would assume its just the hard drive seeking or something. Its nothing to do with image format since there is no flexibility in formats to use. But I'll check if there is much difference using iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Murmur2k on 2007-06-12 10:38:02
Well - I am using Ipod Video (60gb), 3000 music tracks, most have 500x500 artwork but quite a few are non-square ratio e.g. 300x302 etc


Just did a test: 475*472 artwork track took about 5 seconds to stabilise and display artwork on ipod.
                      1423*1426 (source) artwork track was less than 1 second?!
                      500*500 was less than 1 second

Seems a little random!  I never had any trouble with this lagging using iTunes alone.
Cheers
copperblue's problem was the track skipping whilst loading artwork - what exactly is yours? It sounds like its just the fact that artwork sometimes takes a few seconds to load (not affecting playback). I can see that, I would assume its just the hard drive seeking or something. Its nothing to do with image format since there is no flexibility in formats to use. But I'll check if there is much difference using iTunes.


Sorry if I wasn't clear, my problems are the same - interface unresponsive for excessive amounts of time, some track skipping at beginning of each song, artwork taking a long time to display. Thx
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-06-12 13:15:37
Sorry if I wasn't clear, my problems are the same - interface unresponsive for excessive amounts of time, some track skipping at beginning of each song, artwork taking a long time to display. Thx

Ok. I did some looking around and didn't find much, but this (http://www.agileprogrammer.com/dotnetguy/archive/2006/11/27/21487.aspx) does sound like your problems.

Now I did some monitoring of what iTunes is doing when sending two files with artwork to the iPod. It goes something like this:

-Write file to iPod
-Extend small artwork thumbnail file by 20MB
-Write small thumbnail at old end of file
-Do same for large thumbnail
-Write second file to iPod
-Write small thumbnail
-Truncate small thumbnail file to end of last thumbnail
-Do same for large thumbnail

So question is why it temporarily increases size of thumbnail files by 20MB - I would say probably to try and avoid fragmentation of the thumbnail files, I can't see any other reason. But how effective is that really going to be in practice?

So, I am maybe going to make some changes to artwork writer so it behaves something more like iTunes. You can try to defrag your iPod if you want also.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: copperblue on 2007-06-12 16:17:14
So, I am maybe going to make some changes to artwork writer so it behaves something more like iTunes. You can try to defrag your iPod if you want also.

The fragmentation issue did occur to me, however I read somewhere on the Apple site that one should never attempt to defrag an iPod's internal drive, as this will shorten the lifespan of the drive. I am guessing heat issues, but my iPod gets plenty warm when copying a big chunk of files over anyway?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-06-12 17:22:40
The fragmentation issue did occur to me, however I read somewhere on the Apple site that one should never attempt to defrag an iPod's internal drive, as this will shorten the lifespan of the drive. I am guessing heat issues, but my iPod gets plenty warm when copying a big chunk of files over anyway?
Well yes I can imagine that excessive prolonged drive use may affect lifespan. But then restoring your iPod and transferring all your songs over again is not much different.

I don't know if any other apps have the same feature, but PerfectDisk has a single file defrag function. You have to enable an option in its prefs to allow the defrag of removable drives, but that doesn't seem to work on Vista.. You could try that however and defrag the .ithmb files if you can make the removable drive option work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Murmur2k on 2007-06-14 19:34:34
I don't know if any other apps have the same feature, but PerfectDisk has a single file defrag function. You have to enable an option in its prefs to allow the defrag of removable drives, but that doesn't seem to work on Vista.. You could try that however and defrag the .ithmb files if you can make the removable drive option work.


Looks like fragmentation could indeed be the culprit - just analysed my Ipod's HDD and the .ithmb files are heavily fragmented and all over the place (red & pink spots) (see picture below).

Fragmented Drive (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1326/548588210_3132d5f372_o.jpg)


EDIT: After a quick defrag (during which I cooled the ipod on an ice block!!!) the lag has gone, artwork loads up very quickly now. Looking foward to your next update!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ChinStrap on 2007-06-16 16:39:45
It seems that whenever Itunes scans a song for gapless information, the custom tag remappings that foo_dop does goes away.  Is there a way to stop this from happening? I only use iTunes for podcast subscriptions, so if there is either a way to fix the information being messed up or just disabling gapless scanning in iTunes would be great.  This also happens if I change any tags from within iTunes but that is much less rare (only if I ever try to mark something to say "remember this position" or "gapless album". I've given up on that for now though).

Is this happening because you aren't actually rewriting tags on the files themselves but instead just putting in the remapped info into the iPod database? If that is so, then what is probably happening is that when it scans a file, it reloads the tags from the file itself.    Is there anyway to have as an option "Force rewrite of tag files"?  Although, if you did that, then you would have to make sure to compare rewritten tags when syncing...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-06-16 19:33:20
Looks like fragmentation could indeed be the culprit - just analysed my Ipod's HDD and the .ithmb files are heavily fragmented and all over the place (red & pink spots) (see picture below).

Fragmented Drive (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1326/548588210_3132d5f372_o.jpg)


EDIT: After a quick defrag (during which I cooled the ipod on an ice block!!!) the lag has gone, artwork loads up very quickly now. Looking foward to your next update!
That's good news, although some fragmentation is always going to happen. I'm going to try similar tricks as iTunes so hopefully it will help.

It seems that whenever Itunes scans a song for gapless information, the custom tag remappings that foo_dop does goes away.  Is there a way to stop this from happening? I only use iTunes for podcast subscriptions, so if there is either a way to fix the information being messed up or just disabling gapless scanning in iTunes would be great.  This also happens if I change any tags from within iTunes but that is much less rare (only if I ever try to mark something to say "remember this position" or "gapless album". I've given up on that for now though).

Is this happening because you aren't actually rewriting tags on the files themselves but instead just putting in the remapped info into the iPod database? If that is so, then what is probably happening is that when it scans a file, it reloads the tags from the file itself.    Is there anyway to have as an option "Force rewrite of tag files"?  Although, if you did that, then you would have to make sure to compare rewritten tags when syncing...

Yes, it happens because iTunes re-reads the metadata from the files. I can't change the tags on the files for lots of reasons (problems for sync, problem of double re-mappings, ..). You can use the 'reload ipod library metadata.." function to reset the metadata when you need to.

You can set 'remember track position' via foo_dop (browse ipod or metadata). I don't think 'gapless album' doesn't anything other than disable crossfading (etc.) in itunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: olaola on 2007-06-17 15:08:35
this plugin is very cool, but i found after i used it, the movies names in ipod will disappear, all the files will use the meanless name such as AJKE instead.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: GoWaN on 2007-06-21 12:35:39
First I want to thank you for this wonderful plugin that made iTunes obsolete.

Second I would like to know what I am doing wrong when I send my collection to the iPod. I have several lossless albums and some mp3 albums. I replaygain with track gain all of them and then I send them to iPod. When I listen to them it looks as if the lossless ones don't have soundchek info but the mp3 ones do have it. Is there a way to add the soundcheck info after you send it to the iPod the files? (Sending all that files is quite time consuming).

Apologies for my bad english and thanks in advance.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-06-21 13:15:01
this plugin is very cool, but i found after i used it, the movies names in ipod will disappear, all the files will use the meanless name such as AJKE instead.
Hi, I think you must have used the 'reload ipod library metadata' command. It will replace the metadata in the iPod library with what's in the file. If your file does not have a TITLE tag, it would use the filename instead so the title field isn't empty. Now the command was supposed to ignore files which have no metadata at all but that wasn't happening for the TITLE field so I'll change that.

First I want to thank you for this wonderful plugin that made iTunes obsolete.

Second I would like to know what I am doing wrong when I send my collection to the iPod. I have several lossless albums and some mp3 albums. I replaygain with track gain all of them and then I send them to iPod. When I listen to them it looks as if the lossless ones don't have soundchek info but the mp3 ones do have it. Is there a way to add the soundcheck info after you send it to the iPod the files? (Sending all that files is quite time consuming).

Apologies for my bad english and thanks in advance.

Your not really doing anything wrong; when the files are converted the replaygain info is not copied to the converted files (because it would be different). So as a result no soundcheck data is set for those converted files because no replaygain info is available.

Now automating the replaygain scan of the converted files doesn't seem feasible, because there doesn't appear to be a way to do it without the intermediate dialogs. So you would have to 'load pod library', manually replaygain scan them and then run the 'reload ipod library metadata' command to update the soundcheck data in the database.

I think I will add a 'reload ipod library metadata' command to the context menu to the next version so you can leave the metadata of all the other files alone to avoid unexpected side-effects (like the problem above). And probably rename it to something that makes more sense.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: GoWaN on 2007-06-21 14:31:56
Now automating the replaygain scan of the converted files doesn't seem feasible, because there doesn't appear to be a way to do it without the intermediate dialogs. So you would have to 'load pod library', manually replaygain scan them and then run the 'reload ipod library metadata' command to update the soundcheck data in the database.


I will try many thanks!!!

P.D.Forget this I am stupid
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-06-22 18:35:22
EDIT: After a quick defrag (during which I cooled the ipod on an ice block!!!) the lag has gone, artwork loads up very quickly now. Looking foward to your next update!

foo_dop 0.4.4 TEST is now released. It is mostly clean-up and some improvements, see changelog for full details.

In regards to your artwork issue, I have not quite finished making changes to the artwork handling yet. The change in 0.4.4 is that it pre-allocates 20MB to the .ithmb files like iTunes seems to. But if you are sending several hundred files or so that buffer will get filled up and so some fragmentation will follow. I'll make some changes there for 0.4.5.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Murmur2k on 2007-06-22 18:48:58
EDIT: After a quick defrag (during which I cooled the ipod on an ice block!!!) the lag has gone, artwork loads up very quickly now. Looking foward to your next update!

foo_dop 0.4.4 TEST is now released. It is mostly clean-up and some improvements, see changelog for full details.

In regards to your artwork issue, I have not quite finished making changes to the artwork handling yet. The change in 0.4.4 is that it pre-allocates 20MB to the .ithmb files like iTunes seems to. But if you are sending several hundred files or so that buffer will get filled up and so some fragmentation will follow. I'll make some changes there for 0.4.5.


Great work - thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Moofar on 2007-06-23 23:19:55
answered my own question. I don't see a delete post button though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: nigel_29 on 2007-06-26 01:18:55
sorry, noob question here.

When I select Load iPod Library I get hung on a 'Waiting for cache read to complete...' message in the status dialog at about 50%. I see a Reading iPod library message whiz by first. I searched through the thread and didn't see anything similar. Any ideas?

5G ipod
fb2k .94

I've never installed itunes on this machine, but the ipod is showing up in disk mode okay as a USB drive and the browse ipod function works.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-06-26 09:16:58
sorry, noob question here.

When I select Load iPod Library I get hung on a 'Waiting for cache read to complete...' message in the status dialog at about 50%. I see a Reading iPod library message whiz by first. I searched through the thread and didn't see anything similar. Any ideas?

5G ipod
fb2k .94

I've never installed itunes on this machine, but the ipod is showing up in disk mode okay as a USB drive and the browse ipod function works.

Hi, thanks for the report.

Its a bug in current version if the cache doesn't exist. I'll fix it for next build. In the mean time you can go back to 0.4.3, run the load library command once so it builds the cache and then install 0.4.4 again.

Edit: fixed in 0.4.5
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jclim00 on 2007-06-26 13:53:15
poke poke, download linky broken?

Quote
Warning: filesize() [function.filesize]: Stat failed for download/unstable/foo_dop-0.4.5-TEST.7z (errno=2 - No such file or directory) in /home/yuobe/public_html/ipod.php on line 27
href = "download/unstable/foo_dop-0.4.5-TEST.7z" title = "0.00 MB" >0.4.5 TEST
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Murmur2k on 2007-06-27 21:16:01
Musicmusic - can I make a feature request please..
1) More feedback to user when sync'ing/uploading files to ipod - on the progress meter can we have more information regarding which track is currently being processed and how many are queued
e.g. "Muse - Origin Of Symmetry - Bliss.flac - copying 5 of 1267"

I ask this because sometimes its useful to know how long transfer is likely to take and also Nero has crashed during conversion of a couple of files and I am unable to work out which one was causing the error in order to remove.

Also - a quick question, if the sync process is cancelled partway - some files have been uploaded but the ipod database not updated. Are the files left on the ipod or do they get removed on next sync process? I'm concerned that this might mean I have lots of music files on the ipod that are using up space but not accessible through the ipod and in most cases duped.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-06-27 23:32:09
Musicmusic - can I make a feature request please..
1) More feedback to user when sync'ing/uploading files to ipod - on the progress meter can we have more information regarding which track is currently being processed and how many are queued
e.g. "Muse - Origin Of Symmetry - Bliss.flac - copying 5 of 1267"

Hi, there is limited space there and I can't change the layout since the dialog is provided by the foobar2000 core. I could squeeze the filename in, but not "x of n" as that's what the progress meter is for and it would be possibly confusing because of the several processes that actually occur. Still though I'm not convinced knowing the file that is currently being copied is particularly useful (see next answer with regard to encoder crashing) but I'll probably add it.

I ask this because sometimes its useful to know how long transfer is likely to take and also Nero has crashed during conversion of a couple of files and I am unable to work out which one was causing the error in order to remove.
I take it you are referring to the Nero Digital encoder? I think its pretty strange that would crash, I'm using it for my transcoding also. It could be my bug so I would be interested in the outcome of that. What I will also do is look into using the process exit code to determine if the transcode was successful; if not clean-up and add an entry to the error log displayed at the end of the process (which would identify file that failed).

Also - a quick question, if the sync process is cancelled partway - some files have been uploaded but the ipod database not updated. Are the files left on the ipod or do they get removed on next sync process? I'm concerned that this might mean I have lots of music files on the ipod that are using up space but not accessible through the ipod and in most cases duped.

This is what currently happens:
-The new files copied are deleted
-The iPod DB remains unchanged. So the files that were identified to be removed as part of the sync process will still be in the iPod's DB.

Now that is not optimal and is something I do want to change. What I would like it do behave like is:
-Stop the process and update the iPod DB for what has already occurred in the process.
Although that still isn't great, as copying files, adding artwork, and scanning gapless data are separate processes. So you could end up without artwork on new tracks or only half of the new tracks with artwork.

The other thing I will point out is that it is not an 'Cancel' button; usually cancel would imply reverting to the state before the process started.

In the future maybe I will add some commands to look for orphaned and/or missing files to deal with any mess on your iPod.



BTW if anyone who knows would like to explain to me how to calculate the encoder delay and encoder padding values for a Nero Digital Audio MP4 file I would be pretty grateful. I had a good look around in my files but wasn't sure which values in the files are actually used to calculate these, and didn't find anything conclusive on the internet either.

Next version of foo_dop has gapless support for iTunes MP4/M4A AAC files so it would be great to add support for Nero files too.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: nigel_29 on 2007-06-28 00:12:58
This is amazing, thank you!!!

Hi, thanks for the report.

Its a bug in current version if the cache doesn't exist. I'll fix it for next build. In the mean time you can go back to 0.4.3, run the load library command once so it builds the cache and then install 0.4.4 again.

Edit: fixed in 0.4.5
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2007-06-28 06:44:53
it would be great if you did custom mapping for ratings and lyrics. Ratings, especially, because I use a 0-10 scale in foobar, and would need to use some formatting code to make it translate to the ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Murmur2k on 2007-06-28 09:01:28
I ask this because sometimes its useful to know how long transfer is likely to take and also Nero has crashed during conversion of a couple of files and I am unable to work out which one was causing the error in order to remove.
I take it you are referring to the Nero Digital encoder? I think its pretty strange that would crash, I'm using it for my transcoding also. It could be my bug so I would be interested in the outcome of that. What I will also do is look into using the process exit code to determine if the transcode was successful; if not clean-up and add an entry to the error log displayed at the end of the process (which would identify file that failed).


I have a feeling it is due to my slight overclock on my PC - its a memory error. I thought it might have been a tag issue since it was the same files. Just reduced the overclock and it transferred the errored files - it is producing a window at the end with gapless errors though for my M4A files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-06-28 22:45:02
it would be great if you did custom mapping for ratings and lyrics. Ratings, especially, because I use a 0-10 scale in foobar, and would need to use some formatting code to make it translate to the ipod.

I will consider a rating mapping.
For lyrics, this has been discussed a few times already; the iPod reads the lyrics direct from the file's tags. You could put in a request for foobar2000 to map id3v2 ULT/USLT to LYRICS instead of UNSYNCED LYRICS if you want things less messy.

it is producing a window at the end with gapless errors though for my M4A files.
Yes, that's just a warning and to be expected. Current version doesn't support gapless data for MP4 files and so it's just letting you know that those files won't play gapless. I'll replace that dialog with a better one at some point.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ciaran on 2007-06-30 04:41:51
I have png files and jpg files as artwork. How do I add support for both? I want foo_dop to pick up the first valid filename out of a list...

For example, my foo_title string:
Code: [Select]
$puts(aartist,$left($meta(artist,0),$sub($strstr($meta(artist,0),$char(32)$char(40)feat),1)))C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\$replace($get(aartist) - $left(%ALBUM%,$sub($strstr(%ALBUM%, $char(40)Disc),1)),:,,?,, /,$char(44),/,-,$char(34),);C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\$replace(%album artist% - $left(%ALBUM%,$sub($strstr(%ALBUM%, $char(40)Disc),1)),:,,?,, /,$char(44),/,-,$char(34),);C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\$replace($left(%ALBUM%,$sub($strstr(%ALBUM%, $char(40)Disc),1)),:,,?,, /,$char(44),/,-,$char(34),) OST;C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\_none$num($rand(13),2)


... is separated by semicolons. Can I do this?

foo_title is extension agnostic, so for other extensions I've had to double the number of criteria (one each for PNG and JPG). Also there is facility for "no album art".

EDIT***

Figured out to do it with cwb_hooks. Posting it here for others' benefit. All my album art shows up now from my ginormous sync.

I've added linefeeds so it's easier to read...
Code: [Select]
$puts(aartist,$left($meta(artist,0),$sub($strstr($meta(artist,0),$char(32)$char(40)feat),1)))
$if($cwb_fileexists(C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\$replace($left(%ALBUM%,$sub($strstr(%ALBUM%, $char(40)Disc),1)),:,,?,, /,$char(44),/,-,$char(34),) OST.png),
C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\$replace($left(%ALBUM%,$sub($strstr(%ALBUM%, $char(40)Disc),1)),:,,?,, /,$char(44),/,-,$char(34),) OST.png,
$if($cwb_fileexists(C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\$replace($left(%ALBUM%,$sub($strstr(%ALBUM%, $char(40)Disc),1)),:,,?,, /,$char(44),/,-,$char(34),) OST.jpg),
C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\$replace($left(%ALBUM%,$sub($strstr(%ALBUM%, $char(40)Disc),1)),:,,?,, /,$char(44),/,-,$char(34),) OST.jpg,
$if($cwb_fileexists(C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\$replace(%album artist% - $left(%ALBUM%,$sub($strstr(%ALBUM%, $char(40)Disc),1)),:,,?,, /,$char(44),/,-,$char(34),).png),
C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\$replace(%album artist% - $left(%ALBUM%,$sub($strstr(%ALBUM%, $char(40)Disc),1)),:,,?,, /,$char(44),/,-,$char(34),).png,
$if($cwb_fileexists(C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\$replace(%album artist% - $left(%ALBUM%,$sub($strstr(%ALBUM%, $char(40)Disc),1)),:,,?,, /,$char(44),/,-,$char(34),).jpg),
C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\$replace(%album artist% - $left(%ALBUM%,$sub($strstr(%ALBUM%, $char(40)Disc),1)),:,,?,, /,$char(44),/,-,$char(34),).jpg,
$if($cwb_fileexists(C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\$replace($get(aartist) - $left(%ALBUM%,$sub($strstr(%ALBUM%, $char(40)Disc),1)),:,,?,, /,$char(44),/,-,$char(34),).png),
C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\$replace($get(aartist) - $left(%ALBUM%,$sub($strstr(%ALBUM%, $char(40)Disc),1)),:,,?,, /,$char(44),/,-,$char(34),).png,
$if($cwb_fileexists(C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\$replace($get(aartist) - $left(%ALBUM%,$sub($strstr(%ALBUM%, $char(40)Disc),1)),:,,?,, /,$char(44),/,-,$char(34),).jpg),
C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\$replace($get(aartist) - $left(%ALBUM%,$sub($strstr(%ALBUM%, $char(40)Disc),1)),:,,?,, /,$char(44),/,-,$char(34),).jpg,
C:\DRIVES\CANTUS\MP3\Artwork\Albums\_none$num($rand(13),2).png))))))


Really have to complement musicmusic's hard work on this extension. It proves how foobar really goes beyond anything else available for music on a PC (and now beyond...)

Thx
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ciaran on 2007-06-30 18:22:20
I think we can all agree that iTunes sucks

... but playing a file in iTunes seems to wipe out its album art (put there by foo_dop) on the iPod subsequently. Also, the album art I see on my iPod is not present in iTunes. Anyone else experience this?

BTW, iTunes has this annoying popup @ startup about Artwork which I hit Cancel on. I have unchecked "download album art automatically"

Thx
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ciaran on 2007-07-05 13:58:04
Another question. I have a few mp4 music files. These show up as videos in the iPod. Is the header or something incorrect in these files? Anyone seen this behavior?

Thx
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PokéParadox on 2007-07-05 14:43:33
You can rename MP4 files with audio only to M4A instead... hopefully they won't be processed as a video then.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-07-05 15:48:44
Another question. I have a few mp4 music files. These show up as videos in the iPod. Is the header or something incorrect in these files? Anyone seen this behavior?

Thx

Yes it looks in the files for a track with a video header. I don't know why your files have those, what made them?

You can override this by changing extension to M4A or adding a MEDIA KIND field with value music.

I think we can all agree that iTunes sucks

... but playing a file in iTunes seems to wipe out its album art (put there by foo_dop) on the iPod subsequently. Also, the album art I see on my iPod is not present in iTunes. Anyone else experience this?

The removal of the artwork is for a similar reason to the fact that the metadata in the database changes. You don't see the artwork in iTunes because (I guess) it looks in the tags and its own artwork database.

BTW, iTunes has this annoying popup @ startup about Artwork which I hit Cancel on. I have unchecked "download album art automatically"

Thx
Make sure your iPod is on Manually managed mode for songs.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ciaran on 2007-07-07 17:06:28
musicmusic, Pokeparadox,

Thx for your answers!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: thzxcyl on 2007-07-08 16:38:16
Am I doing something wrong here? Any smallest changes I want to make (i.e. sending a few new tracks via "Send playlists") seem to provoke a full scan of all the mp3 on my iPod, and it takes forever to scan a 60G ipod! It is the expected behavior?

Edit: never mind... I should not keep deleting the playlist "iPod Media Library"!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: thzxcyl on 2007-07-08 18:22:29
Is there any easy way to display the remaining space on ipod? My ipod is always at "danger zone"; it would be very helpful if I know how much space is left before I add new stuff or delete old stuff.

Also, an aside, since this probably has nothing to do with foo_dop. Is there any easy way to display the size of the selected song and current playlist? I'm currently looking at Properties and trying to make sense of the size there (quoted in bytes...)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ciaran on 2007-07-08 19:25:20
Had a couple questions about ALBUM ARTIST
* Does foo_dop pick up ALBUM ARTIST like iTunes would pick up BAND? I am actually just wondering if anyone knows what iTunes typically considers ALBUM ARTIST
* Is it possible to add custom mapping for album artist so that we do something like: if album artist is missing then use artist

Thx!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-07-08 20:38:10
Am I doing something wrong here? Any smallest changes I want to make (i.e. sending a few new tracks via "Send playlists") seem to provoke a full scan of all the mp3 on my iPod, and it takes forever to scan a 60G ipod! It is the expected behavior?

Edit: never mind... I should not keep deleting the playlist "iPod Media Library"!
It shouldn't make a difference if you remove that playlist (though I know how it could). What version are you using? Try the latest if not already.

Is there any easy way to display the remaining space on ipod? My ipod is always at "danger zone"; it would be very helpful if I know how much space is left before I add new stuff or delete old stuff.
foo_dop doesn't show that anywhere currently. I would recommend checking you have enough free space before running commands on your iPod also.

Had a couple questions about ALBUM ARTIST
* Does foo_dop pick up ALBUM ARTIST like iTunes would pick up BAND? I am actually just wondering if anyone knows what iTunes typically considers ALBUM ARTIST
* Is it possible to add custom mapping for album artist so that we do something like: if album artist is missing then use artist

Thx!
It transfers the ALBUM ARTIST field onto the iPod. I don't know if or how the iPod uses it, or if it is displayed anywhere on the iPod. So I can't say if it makes any sense to have a mapping for it.

Note that there is a separate compilation field on the iPod, foo_dop doesn't do anything with that. A remapping for that could make sense but again I'll need to check what the iPod actually does with the field.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: thzxcyl on 2007-07-09 02:51:29
It shouldn't make a difference if you remove that playlist (though I know how it could). What version are you using? Try the latest if not already.


I'm using the latest version. It seems that foo_dop needs at least one full scan before everything can work. I did not try to delete "ipod media library" to see if foo_dop would work without it since I don't want to risk a full scan...

Quote
foo_dop doesn't show that anywhere currently. I would recommend checking you have enough free space before running commands on your iPod also.

Can foo_dop give a warning if the files to be send to ipod are larger than the space left in ipod? I hope it is not difficult to implement.

Thanks for this awesome component!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ciaran on 2007-07-09 09:00:04
About "Album Artist":

Info from: http://www.tunequest.org/new-to-itunes-alb...rtist/20060912/ (http://www.tunequest.org/new-to-itunes-album-artist/20060912/)
Quote
From Apple’s support page:
    iTunes 7 includes a new attribute for song files called Album Artist This allows you to assign a primary artist name for an album that many includes songs by several artists. It is important that all songs in the album have the same Album Artist name. To assign an Album Artist, select all the songs in the album and choose Get Info from the File menu. Next, type a name in the Album Artist field name such that it will apply to all the selected songs. This field can optionally be left blank if all the songs have the same album name.

Album Artist is not respected by the iPod, however, at least not iPod Software 1.2. Songs continue to be sorted by the Artist tag alone, which of course makes the new tag almost useless.


More info here: http://www.tunequest.org/compilations-cove...rtist/20061006/ (http://www.tunequest.org/compilations-coverflow-and-album-artist/20061006/)

Also... this is what I believe Album Artist does in the "Albums" submenu (note: Not the "Artists" submenu):
So if two albums have the SAME name, they will be treated as different albums only if they both have different album artists... for example, at the moment, I have two albums called "Closer". One is a soundtrack, AA = Various Artists, another is by Better than ezra, but I am not using the AA field... both are lumped into "Closer" (a single entry) under "Albums"...

anyone else familiar with this behavior?

Thx
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: copperblue on 2007-07-09 09:37:12
About "Album Artist":

Info from: http://www.tunequest.org/new-to-itunes-alb...rtist/20060912/ (http://www.tunequest.org/new-to-itunes-album-artist/20060912/)
Quote

From Apple’s support page:
    iTunes 7 includes a new attribute for song files called Album Artist This allows you to assign a primary artist name for an album that many includes songs by several artists. It is important that all songs in the album have the same Album Artist name. To assign an Album Artist, select all the songs in the album and choose Get Info from the File menu. Next, type a name in the Album Artist field name such that it will apply to all the selected songs. This field can optionally be left blank if all the songs have the same album name.

Album Artist is not respected by the iPod, however, at least not iPod Software 1.2. Songs continue to be sorted by the Artist tag alone, which of course makes the new tag almost useless.


More info here: http://www.tunequest.org/compilations-cove...rtist/20061006/ (http://www.tunequest.org/compilations-coverflow-and-album-artist/20061006/)

Also... this is what I believe Album Artist does in the "Albums" submenu (note: Not the "Artists" submenu):
So if two albums have the SAME name, they will be treated as different albums only if they both have different album artists... for example, at the moment, I have two albums called "Closer". One is a soundtrack, AA = Various Artists, another is by Better than ezra, but I am not using the AA field... both are lumped into "Closer" (a single entry) under "Albums"...

anyone else familiar with this behavior?

Thx

As an aside, if the mp3 file has ID3V2 tags Album Artist "Artist" and Artist "Various" then iTunes will display the Artist correctly on a compilation disc ie, Album Artist has priority over Artist if the AA tag is present.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ciaran on 2007-07-11 09:28:17
As an aside, if the mp3 file has ID3V2 tags Album Artist "Artist" and Artist "Various" then iTunes will display the Artist correctly on a compilation disc ie, Album Artist has priority over Artist if the AA tag is present.

Do you know how to mark an album as a compilation in foobar? What's the tag i should use?

Thx
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: copperblue on 2007-07-11 18:49:59

As an aside, if the mp3 file has ID3V2 tags Album Artist "Artist" and Artist "Various" then iTunes will display the Artist correctly on a compilation disc ie, Album Artist has priority over Artist if the AA tag is present.

Do you know how to mark an album as a compilation in foobar? What's the tag i should use?

Thx

The answer is...I don't know how one would mark an album as a comp in Foobar. Apologies for not being helpful.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jugdish on 2007-07-16 03:33:39
I'm using the "Synchronise iPod..." feature and selecting a playlist that contains a subset of my media library (the whole thing would be too big to fit on my iPod). But when I remove songs from this playlist in fb2k and synchronize again, the removed songs are still present on my iPod. These isn't exactly how I would expect a "synchronization" to behave. Am I doing something wrong?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gob on 2007-07-16 03:35:50
wow, i must say, i have converted 2 more people from itunes to foobar mainly because of this plugin!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-07-16 15:17:16
I'm using the "Synchronise iPod..." feature and selecting a playlist that contains a subset of my media library (the whole thing would be too big to fit on my iPod). But when I remove songs from this playlist in fb2k and synchronize again, the removed songs are still present on my iPod. These isn't exactly how I would expect a "synchronization" to behave. Am I doing something wrong?
I would double check the songs are not in any of the playlists you are syncing with, and the media library if you ticked that.

wow, i must say, i have converted 2 more people from itunes to foobar mainly because of this plugin!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: topdownjimmy on 2007-07-23 14:22:35
Hey musicmusic-- I'm wondering if it's possible to make data from foo_cwb_hooks available to this component?  I'd like to use the system year and month in the genre mapping field, to have browsable added-by months.  Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-07-24 00:00:29
There's some technical/design reasons they aren't available, but anyway the mappings are also used at times other than sending files to the iPod.

The date added is stored in the iPod database, and you can create some smart playlists (using iTunes) around it if you wish.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Galova on 2007-07-26 15:46:43
is it possible to further improve an ipod shuffle's support? There are some disturbing song order issues (the song order appears to be strictly linked to order you send them to ipod's memory)....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-07-27 23:10:14
Hi, I may revisit it in the future, but not at the moment. Please see release notes (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:notes#ipod_shuffle_support) for list of known shuffle issues.

I'm working on a smart playlist editor for next version. Its unfortunately complex business however..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-08-03 00:35:15
0.4.6 TEST released. Its the first version to parse smart playlists and support editing them so it is marked experimental (so making a backup of iTunesDB is a good idea as usual). See changelog and notes page for details.

To create or edit a smart playlist run the "File/iPod/Browse iPod" command. Then just right click in the playlist list. Finally click "Close and save" to save changes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: copperblue on 2007-08-03 08:35:03
0.4.6 TEST released. Its the first version to parse smart playlists and support editing them so it is marked experimental (so making a backup of iTunesDB is a good idea as usual). See changelog and notes page for details.

To create or edit a smart playlist run the "File/iPod/Browse iPod" command. Then just right click in the playlist list. Finally click "Close and save" to save changes.

This update works on an early iPod Photo 60GB.
Fantastic stuff.
One bug  - from Foobar File | iPod | Load library and playlists returns the smart playlists as empty in Foobar although they are populated correctly on the iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-08-03 09:36:03
One bug  - from Foobar File | iPod | Load library and playlists returns the smart playlists as empty in Foobar although they are populated correctly on the iPod.

Hi,
yes this is just related to live updating. foo_dop doesn't update/populate the playlists (there's a message if you try and disable live updating) so they will stay like that when viewed in foo_dop. It would be some task to populate the playlists on my side (i.e. actually apply the rules to the iPod library), and it doesn't seem worthwhile if the iPod's gonna do it for me...  I do wonder if older models support live updating though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: copperblue on 2007-08-03 10:02:10
One bug  - from Foobar File | iPod | Load library and playlists returns the smart playlists as empty in Foobar although they are populated correctly on the iPod.

Hi,
yes this is just related to live updating. foo_dop doesn't update/populate the playlists (there's a message if you try and disable live updating) so they will stay like that when viewed in foo_dop. It would be some task to populate the playlists on my side (i.e. actually apply the rules to the iPod library), and it doesn't seem worthwhile if the iPod's gonna do it for me...  I do wonder if older models support live updating though.

No worries 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: thzxcyl on 2007-08-05 05:08:11
Hi, foo_dop seems not able to recognize ipod when ipod is in emergency disk mode. I don't know if ipods use a different identification id when in emergency disk mode and normal mode, but if there is too much work to recognize ipod when in emergency disk mode, a simple find folder dialog to tell foo_dop the path of the supposed ipod drive letter will be nice.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Adi Corrales on 2007-08-10 18:45:13
Hi everybody!  As almost everybody here I hate iTunes and love Foobar.  To avoid iTunes, I'm using rockbox in my ipod video 80 gb and It is great!  I always have my portable foobar and my library with me on mi iPod when i'm on a desktop, and Rockbox when i'm away (exactly the same database, names, dirs, etc... no problems at all). 

But a couple of days ago, I did something wrong and damage the rockbox files.  As I was at home, I just reinstall it, and everything worked ok again.  But I was wonder... If i'm on the way, and this happend again, I will not be able to acces my music from the original firmware... 

As I read, this pluging can generate am iTunes database with my music in my own order... is that true? or will I have duplicates entries (one with the real name and other with the DFAS names)?  Can that database be read by the original iPod firmware?

By the way, some of my songs have more than 57 chars in the path...  is this still a problem as I read in the wiki?

THanks for your help and I hope this is what I was looking for!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-08-11 01:16:23
Hi, foo_dop seems not able to recognize ipod when ipod is in emergency disk mode. I don't know if ipods use a different identification id when in emergency disk mode and normal mode, but if there is too much work to recognize ipod when in emergency disk mode, a simple find folder dialog to tell foo_dop the path of the supposed ipod drive letter will be nice.
Hi, my 5.5G is recognised over USB in disk mode. Are you over USB or firewire?

I think you can appreciate disk mode isn't exactly for transferring songs to your iPod. However I may be able to add support for it, I just need to know how your iPod identifies itself. Can you tell me the model & connection type first?

Hi everybody!  As almost everybody here I hate iTunes and love Foobar.  To avoid iTunes, I'm using rockbox in my ipod video 80 gb and It is great!  I always have my portable foobar and my library with me on mi iPod when i'm on a desktop, and Rockbox when i'm away (exactly the same database, names, dirs, etc... no problems at all). 

But a couple of days ago, I did something wrong and damage the rockbox files.  As I was at home, I just reinstall it, and everything worked ok again.  But I was wonder... If i'm on the way, and this happend again, I will not be able to acces my music from the original firmware... 

As I read, this pluging can generate am iTunes database with my music in my own order... is that true? or will I have duplicates entries (one with the real name and other with the DFAS names)?  Can that database be read by the original iPod firmware?

By the way, some of my songs have more than 57 chars in the path...  is this still a problem as I read in the wiki?

THanks for your help and I hope this is what I was looking for!
Hi,
Some iPod firmwares will refuse to play files unless they are in a certain folder, and some also have a limit on the path length as you have described. foo_dop enforces the path length limit.

You can add files on the iPod to the iPod database by simply using the send files to iPod command.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Early on 2007-08-11 02:09:43
Hi musicmusic.  Just dropping by to say thanks for adding support for smart playlists, and that everything is working well with my 5.5 model. 


By the way, field remapping enabled something I've wanted on my iPod for quite a long time: shuffle artists.  I  couldn't be more pleased with that.

Best,
M.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: thzxcyl on 2007-08-11 02:47:19

Hi, foo_dop seems not able to recognize ipod when ipod is in emergency disk mode. I don't know if ipods use a different identification id when in emergency disk mode and normal mode, but if there is too much work to recognize ipod when in emergency disk mode, a simple find folder dialog to tell foo_dop the path of the supposed ipod drive letter will be nice.
Hi, my 5.5G is recognised over USB in disk mode. Are you over USB or firewire?

I think you can appreciate disk mode isn't exactly for transferring songs to your iPod. However I may be able to add support for it, I just need to know how your iPod identifies itself. Can you tell me the model & connection type first?


I have a 5th gen, 60 GB ipod and am connecting with USB. I'm mainly using rockbox (but still keeping the original firmware), and rockbox shove ipod into emergency disk mode when connected. Since the emergency disk mode is Apple's software, I hope rockbox is not causing the problem.

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-08-11 08:10:47
I have a 5th gen, 60 GB ipod and am connecting with USB. I'm mainly using rockbox (but still keeping the original firmware), and rockbox shove ipod into emergency disk mode when connected. Since the emergency disk mode is Apple's software, I hope rockbox is not causing the problem.

Thanks
There's two things you can do:
-Try putting it into disk mode manually: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93651 (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93651)
-Get me the VID/PID when its in disk mode (and not working). To do this fire up Device manager, change the view to "device by connection", navigate to your ipod (it will be under something like ACPI PC/ACPI system/PCI Bus/USB controller. Parent to your iPod will be "USB Mass Storage Device". Double click that and go over to the details page. Paste the "Device Instance Path" property here (I think it's called "Device Instance Id" on XP).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: thzxcyl on 2007-08-11 20:51:28
The device instance ID is
USB\VID_05AC&PID_1209\000A270014E35DBO

not quite sure if the last character is O or 0

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-08-11 22:14:29
Yes that's completely normal. Can't really see any good reason it shouldn't be detected with that info (especially if the layout was like I described - i.e. USB Mass Storage Device / Apple iPod USB Device).

So it is working when not in disk mode (i.e. from Apple firmware)?

Also bear in mind foo_dop watches for iPod connections/disconnections in the background. It won't find an iPod until it gets the notification from Windows that the iPod's volume has been mounted, sometimes there can be several seconds delay from when you physically connect the iPod. You can force foo_dop to rescan drives by restarting foobar2000. If that works I may have some ideas as to what's going wrong.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: thzxcyl on 2007-08-12 07:34:24
After re-starting foobar, foo_dop successfully recognizes the ipod. In fact, it now works as expected even after I mount/dismount ipod again. Weird... I'm positive that before foo_dop does not recognize my ipod even long after I mounted it; don't know if the problem has to do with me leaving foobar (and my computer) on for a long, long time. Also, Windows itself takes a long time to recognize my ipod in emergency disk mode (takes about a minute or so, while with other usb devices, including ipod in the normal Apple firmware, it usually takes only seconds), so that may be part of the problem.

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-08-12 20:43:31
Hi, maybe, I don't know. Maybe it was never fully recognised (i.e. volume mounted) by Windows? I think its not so important though now anyway.

My iPod is recognised at normal speed in disk mode so I don't know why yours takes so long (lots of factors - could be iPod/USB controller/OS..). You could check in Event viewer if there's any messages in there about it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: thzxcyl on 2007-08-13 07:36:36
It is not working again... My ipod drive is shown in My Computer, but foo_dop reports that ipod is not found. I looked the event log, but there is nothing useful or informative. This is totally weird... At least I can always restart foobar and make it work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-08-13 10:53:36
OK well then well there are three possible things happening:

-I'm not getting the notification of the new volume
-There is a timing problem (I'm getting the notification before the new volume is available for use)
-The flags in the notification aren't the ones I'm expecting.

So I made a special version for you which I'm about to send you a link to. With this it will log the device arrival and removal notifications in the foobar2000 console (View/Console).

So do this with it:
-Start foobar2000 and open the console.
-Connect your iPod.
-Wait until its visible in My Computer and some seconds longer
-Check if its working in foo_dop. If not paste the Console messages here. Also tell me the drive letter your iPod was mounted at.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: thzxcyl on 2007-08-15 15:37:41
There is nothing in the console when it does not work (i.e. ipod shows up at My Computer but not at foo_dop). But when it works, after I restarted foobar, the console says

Startup time : 0:02.844061
Drive is not expected type or GetVolumeNameForVolumeMountPoint failed. Drive: C
Drive is not expected type or GetVolumeNameForVolumeMountPoint failed. Drive: D
Drive is not expected type or GetVolumeNameForVolumeMountPoint failed. Drive: E
Drive is not expected type or GetVolumeNameForVolumeMountPoint failed. Drive: F
New iPod detected. Drive: P Device Instance ID: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1209\000A270014E35DB0
DBT_DEVICEREMOVECOMPLETE: type: 2
volume details: mask: 00008000 flags: 0
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-08-15 17:52:49
Ok.

So if there's no DBT_DEVICEARRIVAL message when it doesn't work it means I'm not getting the notification at all. I can't fix that but I would suggest it's maybe related to the slowness you are experiencing.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: thzxcyl on 2007-08-16 02:30:15
My original thought is to have the user enter the drive manually, but restarting foobar to make it work is not a bad option.

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 4nt1 on 2007-08-28 15:49:59
hey music music > got an ipod shuffle today > installed itunes > setup the shuffle uninstalled itunes and now use foo_dop without any issues what so ever. what a great easy to use component > thanks for your hard work

running 0.4.6 TEST with ipod shuffle > used itunes 7.3.1 with latets firmware
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ciaran on 2007-09-01 05:30:17
iPhone support?

http://modmyiphone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3232 (http://modmyiphone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3232)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mat440 on 2007-09-02 12:13:48
I am excited about this plugin. but i have a question.
i don't know how to sync playcount and lastplayed.
please teach me about that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Neil K on 2007-09-03 14:27:58
Hi, I'm the proud owner of a brand new iPod video, and just used foo_dop to transfer all me music, and I have to say its incredibly good.

Anyhow, I'm new to all this video jazz, and I was wondering how you actually give a video file the TV Show, Episode Number, Season Number etc tags. I read somewhere that you can get TV Shows to come up under "TV Shows" rather than "Movies" on the iPod but I have no idea how.

Thanks again for the great plugin
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2007-09-03 15:51:32
Hi musicmusic,

I was wondering if foo_dop has full support of audiobooks? I ask this because I just started listening to my fist audiobook in m4b format and I'm having trouble seeing the listing of chapters in the audiobooks section of the ipod after using foo-dop.

I loaded the the audiobook using iTunes, because fb2k does not recognize m4b. Yesterday, I added some songs to my iPod using foo_dop, then used "Load iPod Library" to make sure the songs were added, then disconnected.

Later, when I went to listen to my audiobook, "Audiobook" list on the iPod was blank. So, this morning I attached the iPod to iTunes, saw that the chapters were still there, then disconnected. I went back into "Audiobooks" on the iPod again, and the chapters re-appeared in the list.

Do you have any idea what may be happening? I am using fb2k 0.9.4.4, foo_dop 0.4.6 Test, and iTunes 7.3.2.6 and the iPod is a G4 grayscale.

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-09-03 18:31:42
iPhone support?

http://modmyiphone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3232 (http://modmyiphone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3232)
Not likely  Also noted different directory name (iTunes_Control vs. iPod_Control). Is it using iTunesDB? Maybe new iPods will use similar structure.

I am excited about this plugin. but i have a question.
i don't know how to sync playcount and lastplayed.
please teach me about that.
It's not possible to sync them back to your local library.

Hi, I'm the proud owner of a brand new iPod video, and just used foo_dop to transfer all me music, and I have to say its incredibly good.
OK but I hope you know new iPods are expected this week  Though don't know if foo_dop will get along with them yet..

Anyhow, I'm new to all this video jazz, and I was wondering how you actually give a video file the TV Show, Episode Number, Season Number etc tags. I read somewhere that you can get TV Shows to come up under "TV Shows" rather than "Movies" on the iPod but I have no idea how.

Thanks again for the great plugin
Click: [/a] Also TV Shows need to be tagged properly to show up on the iPod (IIRC Show Name & Season Number are needed) Click [a href="http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#field_mappings" target="_blank"]here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:notes#video_support) for field names.

Hi musicmusic,

I was wondering if foo_dop has full support of audiobooks? I ask this because I just started listening to my fist audiobook in m4b format and I'm having trouble seeing the listing of chapters in the audiobooks section of the ipod after using foo-dop.

I loaded the the audiobook using iTunes, because fb2k does not recognize m4b. Yesterday, I added some songs to my iPod using foo_dop, then used "Load iPod Library" to make sure the songs were added, then disconnected.

Later, when I went to listen to my audiobook, "Audiobook" list on the iPod was blank. So, this morning I attached the iPod to iTunes, saw that the chapters were still there, then disconnected. I went back into "Audiobooks" on the iPod again, and the chapters re-appeared in the list.

Do you have any idea what may be happening? I am using fb2k 0.9.4.4, foo_dop 0.4.6 Test, and iTunes 7.3.2.6 and the iPod is a G4 grayscale.

Thanks!
Probably foo_dop is clearing some flag or removing some data in the database. I dont use audiobooks so this hasn't really been tested. All you did to break it was 'Send files to iPod', correct? I'll look into it then.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Neil K on 2007-09-03 19:43:02
Thanks musicmusic, I seem to have skipped over that bit in the wiki.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2007-09-03 19:43:56
Quote
All you did to break it was 'Send files to iPod', correct? I'll look into it then.
Quote

Hi,

Yes, that is correct. Thank you for looking into that for me. If you need any files sent, let me know and I get them to you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-09-03 20:04:36
If you could get me before (i.e. working) & after (i.e. broken) iTunesDB files it would be helpful. For the after "Rewrite iPod database" should be enough to break it (check that though).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ciaran on 2007-09-06 05:09:43

iPhone support?

http://modmyiphone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3232 (http://modmyiphone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3232)
Not likely  Also noted different directory name (iTunes_Control vs. iPod_Control). Is it using iTunesDB? Maybe new iPods will use similar structure.


Let me synchronize the same playlist to both and do a compare... I could also provide you any files you need.

On a side note, sadly I have not been using the iPhone as an iPod at all, largely due to lack of foo_dop. Hah!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-09-07 00:16:55
Let me synchronize the same playlist to both and do a compare... I could also provide you any files you need.
Thanks.. but if this doesn't act as a UMSD I can't see support being added in foo_dop, sorry. Need data from new Nano 3G & Classic iPods though

On a side note, sadly I have not been using the iPhone as an iPod at all, largely due to lack of foo_dop. Hah!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: oLjud on 2007-09-10 18:54:02
hi all, just downloaded the plugin and don't know anything about it

So I've got two questions:
is there possibly to have a "albumlist" of the artist from the iPod?
is there possibly to browse ipod libary like "SCPL" instead of using external window?


thx in advance!
// Mikael

EDIT: fixed it....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nitrius on 2007-09-15 21:31:23
Just want to say that i'am hoping for support for the new generations of ipod's one day, as of now i really can't stand the though of using itunes :/
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Still_Gyo on 2007-09-16 16:49:39
New iPod's checksum system has changed...

check this article

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/09/15/ap...with-new-ipods/ (http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/09/15/apple-kills-linux-compatibility-with-new-ipods/)




and....

finally linux developer crack it!

http://www.monroe.nu/archives/110-iPod-Cla...-Supported.html (http://www.monroe.nu/archives/110-iPod-Classic-Will-Be-Supported.html)
http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/496-iP...-Supported.html (http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/496-iPod-Classic-Will-Be-Supported.html)
http://digg.com/linux_unix/iPod_classic_to...rted_for_Amarok (http://digg.com/linux_unix/iPod_classic_to_be_supported_for_Amarok)
http://digg.com/linux_unix/New_Ipod_Hash_C...rted_Once_Again (http://digg.com/linux_unix/New_Ipod_Hash_Cracked_Linux_Supported_Once_Again)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-09-17 13:02:33
Just want to say that i'am hoping for support for the new generations of ipod's one day, as of now i really can't stand the though of using itunes :/
Hi mate, I have enough info now to get the classic working, but I need a little bit of info to add support for the Nano 3G. Can you get me the VID/PID (instructions (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=509582) - ignore remark about disk mode) and the XML property list (goto foo_dop prefs / tools and click on view ipod device info, copy all the info and PM it to me)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nitrius on 2007-09-17 21:16:01
I'll see what i can do musicmusic!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Blueinferno on 2007-09-17 21:17:39
Great component, now I don't have to open iTunes... unless I want to remove something from my iPod. I tried it with foo_dop, but it doesn't work, it shows me some kind of an error. I think it's because my filenames are too long and they got cut when transporting to iPod. Can you fix it?

And I have an idea. It would be really great, if there was an option "Eject iPod" in the context menu.
EDIT: Sorry, didn't see, that there already is such an option.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nitrius on 2007-09-17 21:28:54

Just want to say that i'am hoping for support for the new generations of ipod's one day, as of now i really can't stand the though of using itunes :/
Hi mate, I have enough info now to get the classic working, but I need a little bit of info to add support for the Nano 3G. Can you get me the VID/PID (instructions (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=509582) - ignore remark about disk mode) and the XML property list (goto foo_dop prefs / tools and click on view ipod device info, copy all the info and PM it to me)



Done, info sent to you on PM =)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-09-18 23:02:07
Great component, now I don't have to open iTunes... unless I want to remove something from my iPod. I tried it with foo_dop, but it doesn't work, it shows me some kind of an error. I think it's because my filenames are too long and they got cut when transporting to iPod. Can you fix it?
Probably the problem is what the error says  Make sure you are using the load library command and then using the remove command on files on the iPod playlist.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-09-19 00:55:31
OK good news is that working iPod Classic support is implemented for next version - thanks to lots of testing by Soup_Menu (Nano 3G should also work). Currently though the artwork preview in the menus isn't working - I'll be able to fix that once I get a Classic in hand in a few days. So unless anyone wants a version with that broken new version will be released when that's fixed.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mourner on 2007-09-19 11:26:04
musicmusic, I'd just like to say that you're such a great guy doing wonderful work lots of people greatly appreciate.

Thank you so much for all the brilliant things you did and continue doing for the foobar2000 community, and keep up a great work

(I'm in love with columns_ui and foo_dop)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: xamphear on 2007-09-20 14:03:48
OK good news is that working iPod Classic support is implemented for next version - thanks to lots of testing by Soup_Menu (Nano 3G should also work). Currently though the artwork preview in the menus isn't working - I'll be able to fix that once I get a Classic in hand in a few days. So unless anyone wants a version with that broken new version will be released when that's fixed.
Yeah, the missing coverart preview in the menus seems to be hitting all of the iTunes replacements. I know that ml_ipod has run into the same thing. I'd be happy to check out a version of it without the previews, if you want someone else with a Classic to give it a try.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2007-09-20 15:04:42
Thanks again musicmusic, great component.

I've had my ipod classic 80gb delivered today and would be more than willing to give the new version a test drive if you need it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-09-20 15:52:26
Yeah, the missing coverart preview in the menus seems to be hitting all of the iTunes replacements. I know that ml_ipod has run into the same thing. I'd be happy to check out a version of it without the previews, if you want someone else with a Classic to give it a try.

Yeh, I have ideas but its not practical to test without the Classic in hand, so I'll find out the cause once I receive mine. Which may be next week.

About testing: I don't need it tested ATM, I know most of the issues already. But if you want to use a new version that has at least the mentioned limitation (artwork previews in menus not working) then I don't mind releasing that now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2007-09-20 16:04:45
Any chance of that release please; I can cope without the artwork previews, what I can't is replaygain->soundcheck conversion.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-09-20 18:48:02
Any chance of that release please; I can cope without the artwork previews, what I can't is replaygain->soundcheck conversion.
Done. (http://yuo.be)

These are (visible) issues I know about:
  * Artwork previews in menus aren't working
  * Probably doesn't handle playlist folders well
  * Some error dialogs (with lists of files) are a bit messy. They'll be changed to same style as gapless scan results dialog.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: arodir on 2007-09-26 12:13:23
I just got my iPod Nano 3rd Generation with 8GB and was willing to at least try iTunes. I expected it to be a little easier. It just wouldn't do what I wanted. foo_pod, however, worked fine. Thanks for the Plugin. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: AndyCar on 2007-09-26 13:42:12
Thanks for this plugin, musicmusic, it really makes my life easier with foobar200+ iPod. I have iPod classic 80Gb, and plugin works awesome. I don't care for not seening artwork previews in menus, as soon as have Artwork as Covers even in COverFlow ;-)
And it transfers my ratings as well to iPod!
Keep up the good work, thanks again
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-09-26 23:55:57
I just got my iPod Nano 3rd Generation with 8GB and was willing to at least try iTunes. I expected it to be a little easier. It just wouldn't do what I wanted. foo_pod, however, worked fine. Thanks for the Plugin. 
You are welcome, but foo_pod is (was..) a different component 

Thanks for this plugin, musicmusic, it really makes my life easier with foobar200+ iPod. I have iPod classic 80Gb, and plugin works awesome. I don't care for not seening artwork previews in menus, as soon as have Artwork as Covers even in COverFlow ;-)
And it transfers my ratings as well to iPod!
Keep up the good work, thanks again
Not sure I understood all of that, but you are also welcome  Artwork previews in menus is implemented for next build anyway

BTW in regard to the latter, it will be for new tracks only. Apple made some changes to artwork handling (sparse artwork as they call it).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-09-30 00:00:27
Just to add to the known Classic/Nano issues, it seems that music fails to play when it should for songs added by foo_dop in the (fairly ridiculous) Music Quiz 2 in the iPod Quiz game. I'm looking into it..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ciarannn on 2007-09-30 16:04:23
I want to start using this as iTunes is getting very annoying and I'm becoming hesitant in syncing my iPod. Only thing is, I've got 2 questions: can I export the checked playlist from iTunes -> Foobar so that I can quickly get the same music that I would've had on my iPod when I used iTunes as I have on foobar. Also, if I use the 'move, copy or rename' function in f2k (particularly the move & rename) will it recognise that I've moved the files and let them stay in the playlists that they are in, even though I've moved the files, or do I have to move/rename every album and then add it to the playlist that it used to be in?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Col on 2007-10-03 08:18:18
Is there a way to trick the iPod to see two Genres instead of one since I have it set as a Multivalue Field? So "Metal, Folk Metal" will get put into both "Metal" and "Folk Metal" Genres instead of creating a new Genre called "Metal, Folk Metal"? Thanks, Martin.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bl@ck_warrior on 2007-10-03 18:03:51
Try %<genre>% instead of %genre%
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-10-03 22:50:45
I want to start using this as iTunes is getting very annoying and I'm becoming hesitant in syncing my iPod. Only thing is, I've got 2 questions: can I export the checked playlist from iTunes -> Foobar so that I can quickly get the same music that I would've had on my iPod when I used iTunes as I have on foobar. Also, if I use the 'move, copy or rename' function in f2k (particularly the move & rename) will it recognise that I've moved the files and let them stay in the playlists that they are in, even though I've moved the files, or do I have to move/rename every album and then add it to the playlist that it used to be in?

1. If there is some way to export your playlist in iTunes into a foobar2000 compatible format then yes.
2. The "Move..." action will update all your foobar2000 playlists, yes. So if you are just using the sync function you should be OK.

Is there a way to trick the iPod to see two Genres instead of one since I have it set as a Multivalue Field? So "Metal, Folk Metal" will get put into both "Metal" and "Folk Metal" Genres instead of creating a new Genre called "Metal, Folk Metal"? Thanks, Martin.

No, the iPod doesn't support that. Only way is two copies of the track.

Try %<genre>% instead of %genre%
That works only in album list..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2007-10-03 23:38:51

I want to start using this as iTunes is getting very annoying and I'm becoming hesitant in syncing my iPod. Only thing is, I've got 2 questions: can I export the checked playlist from iTunes -> Foobar so that I can quickly get the same music that I would've had on my iPod when I used iTunes as I have on foobar. Also, if I use the 'move, copy or rename' function in f2k (particularly the move & rename) will it recognise that I've moved the files and let them stay in the playlists that they are in, even though I've moved the files, or do I have to move/rename every album and then add it to the playlist that it used to be in?

1. If there is some way to export your playlist in iTunes into a foobar2000 compatible format then yes.

That can be solved by simply dragging, like in Explorer, no? You'd be able to move contents from an iTunes playlist into a new playlist in Foobar.

Is there any progress in the area of statistics synchronizing? Only tiny little lack keeping me on the iTunes side.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Col on 2007-10-04 00:30:59

Is there a way to trick the iPod to see two Genres instead of one since I have it set as a Multivalue Field? So "Metal, Folk Metal" will get put into both "Metal" and "Folk Metal" Genres instead of creating a new Genre called "Metal, Folk Metal"? Thanks, Martin.

No, the iPod doesn't support that. Only way is two copies of the track.


Oh, ok thanks for the answer. Might not be worth to keep retagging stuff with more than one Genre then, might as well make Playlists instead.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-10-04 01:19:58
That can be solved by simply dragging, like in Explorer, no? You'd be able to move contents from an iTunes playlist into a new playlist in Foobar.
Probably you are right  I didn't try..

Is there any progress in the area of statistics synchronizing? Only tiny little lack keeping me on the iTunes side.
Sorry, no. You mean syncing play stats from iPod back to local library?

Doing that to the file's embedded metadata is problematic: it would cause the file to be updated (copied again) on iPod at next sync. So I would prefer to do that to a local database - as I recall official foo_playcount uses such a database by default but I don't think it has an API so I can update it myself.

Oh, ok thanks for the answer. Might not be worth to keep retagging stuff with more than one Genre then, might as well make Playlists instead.
Well if you want multiple values for genre outside of the iPod, and if the order multiple values are specified in the track property dialog is the same order as you access them in the $meta(name,n) function then you could put the primary/preferred genre first and use a remapping in foo_dop for genre (something like "$meta(genre,0)") so the genre menu on the iPod is not messed up. If they don't use the same order it won't work, something you can look into if you wish
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-10-04 17:38:40
0.4.8 TEST 0.4.9 TEST released, see changelog for details.

Didn't manage to find cause of quiz problem on classics/nano 3gs so that remains broken.

I am also looking into some weird occurrences with playlists on my Classic.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ciarannn on 2007-10-04 19:37:22
The iTunes -> F2k drag and drop works. I made a smart playlist in iTunes for checked things, selected all and dragged the selected things into a new playlist in the F2K window.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: chiwou on 2007-10-04 20:51:21
very nice update

and the new version works great for my 4G
but I really miss the option to ignore the "The"  in the artist tag

perhaps you can include again, if not, V0.4.5 works great too :/
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-10-04 22:34:18
very nice update

and the new version works great for my 4G
but I really miss the option to ignore the "The"  in the artist tag

perhaps you can include again, if not, V0.4.5 works great too :/

It will come back. The problem is with the 5G - it's a complete mess there (with regards to the scroll by letter thing). With the 6G they added some stuff to make it work properly with the scroll by letter thing. So I will add it but disable it for the 5G and probably Nano 2G as I don't know if it works properly there.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: JPL on 2007-10-05 05:01:51
I´ve just tested with an iPod Shuffle 2nd gen, works like a charm.
The song order is preserved, I didn´t notice any changes... not sure if the wiki documentation isn´t updated or if it has to do with the latest version.

cheers!

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2007-10-05 07:13:34

very nice update

and the new version works great for my 4G
but I really miss the option to ignore the "The"  in the artist tag

perhaps you can include again, if not, V0.4.5 works great too :/

It will come back. The problem is with the 5G - it's a complete mess there (with regards to the scroll by letter thing). With the 6G they added some stuff to make it work properly with the scroll by letter thing. So I will add it but disable it for the 5G and probably Nano 2G as I don't know if it works properly there.

Yeah, I was having some major problems with the scroll by letter on my 5.5g. It actually screwed over my good itunes db (which I'll have to rebuild with ratings, etc.; no worries, though.), because albums kept saying "t,s,t,s,t,s,t,u" when it showed the letter overlay.

In any case, thanks for the hard work, musicmusic
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Soup_Menu on 2007-10-13 00:24:51
I am also looking into some weird occurrences with playlists on my Classic.

Any progress on this issue?  Some friends and I have been taking semi-lengthy trips by car on the weekends and having On The Go working again would be fantastic.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: willardjuice on 2007-10-13 04:35:59
I would love for you to implement the ability to convert ReplayGain to SoundCheck (SoundCheck is terrible  ).  It's not critical, but something nice to have. 

Oh I see you have implemented this, how does one go about this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-10-13 20:34:56
I´ve just tested with an iPod Shuffle 2nd gen, works like a charm.
The song order is preserved, I didn´t notice any changes... not sure if the wiki documentation isn´t updated or if it has to do with the latest version.

cheers!

I didn't change anything in shuffle support

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' date='Oct 5 2007, 07:13' post='520894']Yeah, I was having some major problems with the scroll by letter on my 5.5g. It actually screwed over my good itunes db (which I'll have to rebuild with ratings, etc.; no worries, though.), because albums kept saying "t,s,t,s,t,s,t,u" when it showed the letter overlay.

In any case, thanks for the hard work, musicmusic
Hi, well you didn't really need to start over, you could have just disabled the option and used the rewrite database action.

I am also looking into some weird occurrences with playlists on my Classic.

Any progress on this issue?  Some friends and I have been taking semi-lengthy trips by car on the weekends and having On The Go working again would be fantastic.

I'm looking into it ATM

Are you using smart playlists? I've seen:
-The contents of the OTG playlist being replaced with a smart playlist (and without the clear playlist etc. items). You can get that working again by opening and closing iTunes.
-Other playlists getting the wrong contents. Only saw that once or so a while ago so not sure on the story there.

I would love for you to implement the ability to convert ReplayGain to SoundCheck (SoundCheck is terrible  ).  It's not critical, but something nice to have. 

Oh I see you have implemented this, how does one go about this?

It's automatic (apart from songs converted automatically).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metal_termite on 2007-10-13 21:10:17
Does this work with the iPod Touch? Because I receive a "No iPod found!" notification.

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Vista users! Install KB936824 (updated May 7th 2007)
Done.

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“Enable disk use” in iTunes should be enabled (or preferably 'Manually manage music […]')
Done..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-10-13 21:56:50
Any progress on this issue?  Some friends and I have been taking semi-lengthy trips by car on the weekends and having On The Go working again would be fantastic.
Hi,
The problem is fixed for 0.5.0 which I will upload shortly. However, to completely get rid of the problem a correction needs to be made to any existing playlists. Opening and closing iTunes usually does that, otherwise you will have to remove all the playlists from your iPod and send them again.

Does this work with the iPod Touch? Because I receive a "No iPod found!" notification.
Sorry the iPod Touch is not supported. I'll update the web page to make that clearer.

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“Enable disk use” in iTunes should be enabled (or preferably 'Manually manage music […]')
Done..
The lack of disk mode on the iPod Touch is the main problem  That quote was written when 'Manually manage music […]' forced disk mode to be enabled as well (now only true for models with a disk mode).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Soup_Menu on 2007-10-14 03:57:44
Any progress on this issue?  Some friends and I have been taking semi-lengthy trips by car on the weekends and having On The Go working again would be fantastic.
Hi,
The problem is fixed for 0.5.0 which I will upload shortly. However, to completely get rid of the problem a correction needs to be made to any existing playlists. Opening and closing iTunes usually does that, otherwise you will have to remove all the playlists from your iPod and send them again.

  I removed my old playlists and it's working perfectly.  Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: OcseeMorahn on 2007-10-15 01:31:55
Well, I've recently fallen head over heels in love with my new 3 rd Generation iPod Nano.  I was resisting for years because I just loathe iTunes.  Finally sighed and decided I loved the iPod more than I hated iTunes.

Then I found this plugin.  I am so very happy.  And the plugin works perfectly for the music on my iPod.

But since I have walked out on iTunes, I can no longer copy my mp4 based videos to my iPod without using iTunes itself, and syncing with iTunes seems to require erasing everything that foo-dop puts onto it.

Is there a way to copy these videos without using iTunes?

When I simply add it to a foobar playlist and update using this plugin all I get is the audio from the video.  I know these are iPod mp4 files, they copied over just fine in iTunes.

Are there any options besides going back to iTunes?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: daellum67 on 2007-10-15 03:28:40
Is there any way to implement support for breaking up flac+cue images into single files in the transcoder? foo_pod had this, and atm, that is the only feature keeping me using itunes along with a duplicate media library, and i really do not like that setup.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-10-15 13:53:53
I removed my old playlists and it's working perfectly.  Thanks!
Great! Still got the MQ2 problem to fix.. though I didn't have much luck in finding the problem so far

syncing with iTunes seems to require erasing everything that foo-dop puts onto it.
Put iTunes in manual mode.

When I simply add it to a foobar playlist and update using this plugin all I get is the audio from the video.  I know these are iPod mp4 files, they copied over just fine in iTunes.
This is supposed to work. What created the MP4 files? Do they show up on the audio or video list on the iPod? Do you have a sample file? (You haven't disabled the option on the advanced pref page right?)

Is there any way to implement support for breaking up flac+cue images into single files in the transcoder?
This is supposed to work. Did you set up the conversion settings correctly? What error do you get?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: OcseeMorahn on 2007-10-15 15:42:54
Put iTunes in manual mode.

<nod> I have it in manual mode.


This is supposed to work. What created the MP4 files? Do they show up on the audio or video list on the iPod? Do you have a sample file? (You haven't disabled the option on the advanced pref page right?)


I'm not sure which Advanced Preferences you are referring to.  I'll assume it is the Advanced Preferences for Foobar2000.  I have MP4 enabled there..to the extent that you can.

Here is a sample file that worked fine from iTunes but doesn't transfer with foo_dop.  When I transfer it using foo_dop it appears in the Video list on the iPod.

The program I used to convert from avi to iPod formatted mp4 is ...

(Moderation: Removed links to copyrighted content.)

Thanks for the quick reply.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-10-15 17:31:38
I sent the file to my iPod Classic, both to my existing library and from blank and it played as video no problem.

Yes I was referring to the iPod Manager option on the advanced prefs page ("Scan MP4s for video content") but if it came up on the video list then that shouldn't be the problem.

Have you updated your Nano 3G to the latest 1.0.2 firmware? Not sure why it works on my Classic and not your Nano 3G. (Also latest version of foo_dop?)

Otherwise I am not sure of what the problem is. I have a few remote ideas that I'll try for next version, so try that when I release it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: OcseeMorahn on 2007-10-15 18:03:57
Yes I was referring to the iPod Manager option on the advanced prefs page ("Scan MP4s for video content") but if it came up on the video list then that shouldn't be the problem.

Have you updated your Nano 3G to the latest 1.0.2 firmware? Not sure why it works on my Classic and not your Nano 3G. (Also latest version of foo_dop?)



I updated the firmware last night.  I am using foo_dop0.5.0 TEST.

It's possible that it may just be an issue with the Nano 3G's.  My techie friends are saying that the hardware used is a completely new build.  There are virtually no duplicated components between the 3G Nano's and any of the other iPod's.  Now if only Apple could have nixed iTunes as well.........
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: daellum67 on 2007-10-16 13:51:30

Is there any way to implement support for breaking up flac+cue images into single files in the transcoder?
This is supposed to work. Did you set up the conversion settings correctly? What error do you get?

It appears to work until the very end of the process, where the plugin throws all kinds of errors relating to gapless playback. The files go to the ipod correctly and will play, however there is no gapless playback.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sinfony on 2007-10-16 14:22:13
I'm having a very odd problem with foo_dop.  I have a 2G Nano, and I put my Top Rated autoplaylist on it (songs rated 4 or higher).  Starting with foo_dop .4.7 (although I don't think it started immediately), certain songs don't play on the iPod.  They appear normally in all of the menus, and when I select them, I see the name, band, album art, etc., but then it immediately skips to the next song.  If if does this for one song from a particular album, it does it for all of them.

Even weirder, songs from one album (In Rainbows, actually) cause the iPod to reboot as soon as they are played.  This can be a bit of a pain, as you might expect.

When I get home I'll try rolling back to .4.6, and it's entirely possible there's just something wrong with my iPod, but I just thought I'd pass this along.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-10-16 15:01:32
It appears to work until the very end of the process, where the plugin throws all kinds of errors relating to gapless playback. The files go to the ipod correctly and will play, however there is no gapless playback.
Right. You probably have "Determine gapless data for files sent to iPod" checked. And it is just telling you it failed to determine the gapless data for some of the files you sent to the iPod (=> they won't play gapless). Only LAME MP3 and iTunes AAC is supported by the gapless scanner.

I'm having a very odd problem with foo_dop.  I have a 2G Nano, and I put my Top Rated autoplaylist on it (songs rated 4 or higher).  Starting with foo_dop .4.7 (although I don't think it started immediately), certain songs don't play on the iPod.  They appear normally in all of the menus, and when I select them, I see the name, band, album art, etc., but then it immediately skips to the next song.  If if does this for one song from a particular album, it does it for all of them.

Even weirder, songs from one album (In Rainbows, actually) cause the iPod to reboot as soon as they are played.  This can be a bit of a pain, as you might expect.

When I get home I'll try rolling back to .4.6, and it's entirely possible there's just something wrong with my iPod, but I just thought I'd pass this along.
Do you use album art? It could be related to that. I doubt there's anything wrong with your iPod.

I did fix some bugs in album art handling along the way, so try 0.5.0 first (restore your iPod first to get rid of any remaining issues). You don't use any other apps with your iPod do you (apart from iTunes) ?.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: OcseeMorahn on 2007-10-16 15:13:37
Wow.

So I figured out the problem with playing videos in the new 3g Nano.  music music, even though your iPod played a sample just fine mine continued to be obstinant.  Then I had a really dumb idea (I tried it after the new Radiohead album had similar issues playing).

I changed the file extension on the video from .MP4 to .mp4 .  Then I copied the video using foobar.  Works like a charm.

Apparently the new iPod doesn't like capital letters.  Either in mp3's or in mp4's.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-10-16 16:06:03
Wow.

So I figured out the problem with playing videos in the new 3g Nano.  music music, even though your iPod played a sample just fine mine continued to be obstinant.  Then I had a really dumb idea (I tried it after the new Radiohead album had similar issues playing).

I changed the file extension on the video from .MP4 to .mp4 .  Then I copied the video using foobar.  Works like a charm.

Apparently the new iPod doesn't like capital letters.  Either in mp3's or in mp4's.

Ahh nice work  When I downloaded your file, it saved with the extension in lowercase

I sent a video with an uppercase extension and it just doesn't play the file (sits at 00:00). I'll make the next version convert extensions to lower case.

Thanks for the info.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: OcseeMorahn on 2007-10-16 22:50:41
I'm having a very odd problem with foo_dop.  I have a 2G Nano, and I put my Top Rated autoplaylist on it (songs rated 4 or higher).  Starting with foo_dop .4.7 (although I don't think it started immediately), certain songs don't play on the iPod.  They appear normally in all of the menus, and when I select them, I see the name, band, album art, etc., but then it immediately skips to the next song.  If if does this for one song from a particular album, it does it for all of them.

Even weirder, songs from one album (In Rainbows, actually) cause the iPod to reboot as soon as they are played.  This can be a bit of a pain, as you might expect.



In Rainbows was exactly the album that gave me problems.  Check to make sure that the mp3 extension is lowercase....instead of MP3.  That fixed it for me.

I went from seeing the songs in the list without being able to play them....to playing perfectly.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sinfony on 2007-10-17 08:01:48

I'm having a very odd problem with foo_dop.  I have a 2G Nano, and I put my Top Rated autoplaylist on it (songs rated 4 or higher).  Starting with foo_dop .4.7 (although I don't think it started immediately), certain songs don't play on the iPod.  They appear normally in all of the menus, and when I select them, I see the name, band, album art, etc., but then it immediately skips to the next song.  If if does this for one song from a particular album, it does it for all of them.

Even weirder, songs from one album (In Rainbows, actually) cause the iPod to reboot as soon as they are played.  This can be a bit of a pain, as you might expect.



In Rainbows was exactly the album that gave me problems.  Check to make sure that the mp3 extension is lowercase....instead of MP3.  That fixed it for me.

I went from seeing the songs in the list without being able to play them....to playing perfectly.

Genius!  No more crashing on In Rainbows.

Didn't have a chance to do a full restore today (I don't have iTunes installed on this computer), so still no luck with the skipped tracks.  I did test, though, and when I do "Load library" I can play all of the songs in Foobar from the iPod, so the files are all there, and they're not corrupted.  Any ideas?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-10-17 10:58:18
Genius!  No more crashing on In Rainbows.

Didn't have a chance to do a full restore today (I don't have iTunes installed on this computer), so still no luck with the skipped tracks.  I did test, though, and when I do "Load library" I can play all of the songs in Foobar from the iPod, so the files are all there, and they're not corrupted.  Any ideas?

Do any of the other tracks that cause problems have non-lowercase file extensions? (Check how it is displayed in the Properties of the problem tracks in foobar2000 after a Load Library) If you send the same files again do they play ? (I assume not..)

Actually it's probably not album art problem, so don't restore unless you want to.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nitrius on 2007-10-17 14:34:31
Been using the 5.0 version of foo_dop now and so far it works perfectly, transfered around 500 songs to my ipod nano 8gb (3g) here the other day, worked flawlessly =)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sinfony on 2007-10-17 17:27:39
Genius!  No more crashing on In Rainbows.

Didn't have a chance to do a full restore today (I don't have iTunes installed on this computer), so still no luck with the skipped tracks.  I did test, though, and when I do "Load library" I can play all of the songs in Foobar from the iPod, so the files are all there, and they're not corrupted.  Any ideas?

Do any of the other tracks that cause problems have non-lowercase file extensions? (Check how it is displayed in the Properties of the problem tracks in foobar2000 after a Load Library) If you send the same files again do they play ? (I assume not..)

Actually it's probably not album art problem, so don't restore unless you want to.


The file extensions are lower case on the skipping tracks.  Sending them again doesn't have any effect.

Further weirdness: some of my folder.jpg files have been disappearing.  I noticed this because the album art on one album was displaying upside down in Foobar.  I went to update it and, when viewing in Explorer, there was no folder.jpg, even when displaying hidden files or viewing from the command prompt [EDIT: actually, in the command prompt, if I use "dir /ah" the file is visible].  When I tried to copy in a new folder.jpg, I was informed that there was already a file with that name, and that it was not accessible, so I couldn't delete/overwrite it.

Relevance: folder.jpg is missing in the folders of the albums with skipping tracks, yet the album art continues to display in Explorer, Foobar, and also on the iPod in the split second before it skips to the next track.  Album Art Downloader also purports to see these files in the folders where I can't see them.  I haven't got an iPod USB cable on me at the moment, but later I'll try copying out the MP3s, deleting the folders, and then recreating the folders and dropping the MP3s back in (which is what I had to do to solve my missing folder.jpg problem).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-10-17 19:20:13
The file extensions are lower case on the skipping tracks.  Sending them again doesn't have any effect.
OK so let me make sure I have this right. You have some files which always fail to play on the iPod (skipped) when you send them using foo_dop. Other files are OK. If that's correct, my next question is what happens if you send one of the problematic files via iTunes.

Further weirdness: some of my folder.jpg files have been disappearing.  I noticed this because the album art on one album was displaying upside down in Foobar.  I went to update it and, when viewing in Explorer, there was no folder.jpg, even when displaying hidden files or viewing from the command prompt [EDIT: actually, in the command prompt, if I use "dir /ah" the file is visible].  When I tried to copy in a new folder.jpg, I was informed that there was already a file with that name, and that it was not accessible, so I couldn't delete/overwrite it.
They are probably hidden, if your Windows Explorer set to show hidden files (Folder Options)? I think Windows used to hide those folder.jpg files via desktop.ini (also hidden) but I'm not sure on that / if it still does.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sinfony on 2007-10-18 19:31:39
The file extensions are lower case on the skipping tracks.  Sending them again doesn't have any effect.
OK so let me make sure I have this right. You have some files which always fail to play on the iPod (skipped) when you send them using foo_dop. Other files are OK. If that's correct, my next question is what happens if you send one of the problematic files via iTunes.

Further weirdness: some of my folder.jpg files have been disappearing.  I noticed this because the album art on one album was displaying upside down in Foobar.  I went to update it and, when viewing in Explorer, there was no folder.jpg, even when displaying hidden files or viewing from the command prompt [EDIT: actually, in the command prompt, if I use "dir /ah" the file is visible].  When I tried to copy in a new folder.jpg, I was informed that there was already a file with that name, and that it was not accessible, so I couldn't delete/overwrite it.
They are probably hidden, if your Windows Explorer set to show hidden files (Folder Options)? I think Windows used to hide those folder.jpg files via desktop.ini (also hidden) but I'm not sure on that / if it still does.


You've got the situation right.

So, iTunes won't even load the files in question into the library.  I am officially at a complete and total loss as to explain what the hell is going on with these files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-10-18 19:39:52
What file format are they? If you upload one I'll take a look at it (PM me the link if you like)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-10-18 20:47:26
Ok, the file has two id3v2 tags at the beginning of the file

I removed the first one with a hex editor & it imported into iTunes fine.

If you want to fix this with foobar2000, load the file into foobar2000 and from MP3 Tag Types in the context menu uncheck id3v2. (From my testing) this will remove the first id3v2 tag leaving the second one intact.

Probably any tagging you have been doing has gone into the first tag, though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sinfony on 2007-10-19 05:23:13
Ok, the file has two id3v2 tags at the beginning of the file

I removed the first one with a hex editor & it imported into iTunes fine.

If you want to fix this with foobar2000, load the file into foobar2000 and from MP3 Tag Types in the context menu uncheck id3v2. (From my testing) this will remove the first id3v2 tag leaving the second one intact.

Probably any tagging you have been doing has gone into the first tag, though.


That's done it!  I prefer not to think about how this happened, I'm just glad it works again.

Thanks for the fix!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: The Boat on 2007-10-20 17:48:58
Is there a way to get my ipod to recognize more than one source for album art? i.e folder.jpg, cover.jpg, folder.gif etc.

Also, I added a bunch of videos to my ipod (80 gig classic) on a different computer and when I synched my ipod with foobar all the videos disappeared. How can I keep everything on my ipod but still add any new files or metadata that have been added to my library.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Early on 2007-10-23 14:48:01
Hello musicmusic,
Here is a proposal: a setting for playback in mono, for busted speaker situations or for people who may not hear equally well in both ears.
Thanks for considering.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mshemons on 2007-11-01 17:15:35
I think I may have screwed up my iPod. I have an 8GB 3G Nano and all was working fine. I updated the iPod firmware yesterday in iTunes as well as used it to transfer some songs. I then used foobar to transfer some songs (latest version of fooobar and foo_dop) and now my iPod says there are 0 songs on it. I can load the songs in foobar and listen to them, but I can't play them on the iPod or in iTunes.

I tried the "Rewrite iPod Database" in foobar but that didn't work. Is there a way I can use foo_dop to tranfer all my songs and videos to my HDD, format my iPod then transfer them back? Or is tehre a way I can rebuild the iPod database?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bojan on 2007-11-01 22:43:51
I don't think you can copy the videos with foobar2000 but for the audio files it should be simple. Just add everything in the ipod to an empty playlist (File -> Add Folder...) and use the File Operations -> Copy To... dialog to set the filename pattern and to copy the files.

For the videos search through the ipod with a filemanager, they are there somewhere, probably hidden. I feel to lazy right now to check and tell you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Slotos on 2007-11-02 02:08:31
For the videos...

...mp4 container is supported by foobar so File Operations are enough
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mshemons on 2007-11-02 14:51:33

For the videos...

...mp4 container is supported by foobar so File Operations are enough


Nice. It hung on one .mp4 video file but I restarted the copy and it worked. The hardest part was figuring out the the "File Operations" thing was a seperate plugin that wasn't installed by default, haha.

Thanks for your help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: footballking3420 on 2007-11-03 04:10:22
I cannot add any songs to my friends 2gb iPod Nano. After I load the songs into foobar2000, I right-click and click Send To iPod. I then get an error how the songs cannot be found.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: randomcake on 2007-11-07 22:41:54
I really love the plugin, all seems to work brilliantly!  I'm really happy that it's transfering the ratings to the iPod, but will there be any support for transfering the ratings back off the iPod and onto my PC anytime soon?

This is the final feature before I have Foobar configured to replace every single useful element of iTunes I use, just faster prettier!

Another thing, doesn't make any difference to the workings of the component, but when I go to 'View iPod Device Information' it says I've got an iPod Shuffle 1G Black, when I've got an iPod 2G Nano Black!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-11-07 23:09:22
I cannot add any songs to my friends 2gb iPod Nano. After I load the songs into foobar2000, I right-click and click Send To iPod. I then get an error how the songs cannot be found.
What is the exact text of the error? Where are the source files located? They playback in foobar2000, right?

I really love the plugin, all seems to work brilliantly!  I'm really happy that it's transfering the ratings to the iPod, but will there be any support for transfering the ratings back off the iPod and onto my PC anytime soon?
"I don't know" is the best answer I can give, sorry.

Another thing, doesn't make any difference to the workings of the component, but when I go to 'View iPod Device Information' it says I've got an iPod Shuffle 1G Black, when I've got an iPod 2G Nano Black!
Hmm.. I broke it when adding Classic/Nano 3G support. No it's just cosmetic  It got the colour right anyway
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: event on 2007-11-08 06:54:39
Sorry if this has been answered before, but do I need iTunes installed for this plugin to work? I transferred some songs to a freshly formatted iPod but when I turn the ipod after using foo_pod, it says "Connect the iPod to iTunes to recover" in many languages. What's with this?

Using 0.5 of foo_pod
iPod Video 30GB 5.5G
Vista
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: randomcake on 2007-11-08 09:51:06
Sorry if this has been answered before, but do I need iTunes installed for this plugin to work? I transferred some songs to a freshly formatted iPod but when I turn the ipod after using foo_pod, it says "Connect the iPod to iTunes to recover" in many languages. What's with this?

Using 0.5 of foo_pod
iPod Video 30GB 5.5G
Vista


I'm not an expert, but I think it'll work best if you connect it with iTunes, put some stuff on, then go over to foo_dop, once you've done that yo should be fine without iTunes (but I'd leave it installed, you still need it to update the iPod firmware!)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-11-08 10:16:05
Sorry if this has been answered before, but do I need iTunes installed for this plugin to work? I transferred some songs to a freshly formatted iPod but when I turn the ipod after using foo_pod, it says "Connect the iPod to iTunes to recover" in many languages. What's with this?

Using 0.5 of foo_pod
iPod Video 30GB 5.5G
Vista

I'm not sure what happened, I don't really test by formatting just by renaming directories. Perhaps you used the wrong settings when formatting?

In any case it is indeed a better idea to "Restore" using iTunes instead of formatting. You'll need iTunes to update your iPod's firmware anyway (which is something you should also do if not on the latest).

BTW foo_pod is something very different from foo_dop.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mourner on 2007-11-09 13:21:42
The latest foo_dop (0.5) works incorrectly with foobar 0.9.5 beta file operations component. E.g. when you select an album in the playlist and select 'File Ops -> Copy', it asks you to copy a lot of unrelated tracks besides selected.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-11-09 14:56:53
Pay careful attention to the "Copy entire source directory contents" option.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-11-09 17:53:15
BTW there seems to be an issue with album art support and foobar2000 0.9.5, I'm looking into it.
[edit] Just an issue with invalid filename characters creeping in from metadata. I'll fix that for next build.

[edit]Hmm.. I may leave it alone, it's probably going to cause more issues filtering them.

(Nice waste of a post )
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2007-11-18 20:11:09

Is there any progress in the area of statistics synchronizing? Only tiny little lack keeping me on the iTunes side.
Sorry, no. You mean syncing play stats from iPod back to local library?

Doing that to the file's embedded metadata is problematic: it would cause the file to be updated (copied again) on iPod at next sync. So I would prefer to do that to a local database - as I recall official foo_playcount uses such a database by default but I don't think it has an API so I can update it myself.


I've been given this some thought lately, and I've come to wonder - how about removing unnecessary metadata from files before adding the files to the iPod's database (iPods doesn't need %play_count, for instance%)? Of course, I'm talking about from the copy foo_dop makes, not the originals. It's theoretically possible, and it shouldn't think of a file with new %rating%/%play_count% as new.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: XmitchX on 2007-11-22 01:06:10
I would love to see a compilation feature that would:

  change the artist field to the album name
  then change the album to the artist
  and keep the songs the same

lm sick of having a thousand artist with just one song because there in a compilation

having a send as compilation feature would be awesome
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nitrius on 2007-11-22 22:59:30
Not sure if this is a bug, but anyway here it goes.
The plugin works fine here, but there is a little problem on my Nano 8gb 3rd gen, a game called iquiz came with it(for those who dont know this is a game which uses your songs on the ipod to make a quiz and so forth)anyway this game doesn't seem to work properly, because when it ask me a question like "which album is this song from" there should be a song playing, but there is not, so i have no clue how to answer the question.

This is nothing big of course, just a thing i noticed here the other day.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-11-22 23:18:12
I've been given this some thought lately, and I've come to wonder - how about removing unnecessary metadata from files before adding the files to the iPod's database (iPods doesn't need %play_count, for instance%)? Of course, I'm talking about from the copy foo_dop makes, not the originals.
Well, foo_dop uses the metadata, and furthermore some people use the 'load library' command and play songs of the iPod through foobar2000.

It's theoretically possible, and it shouldn't think of a file with new %rating%/%play_count% as new.
It tracks files through modification dates and filesizes. So if updating the play count/rating modifies the file then it will be updated on the iPod on next sync (reasons include the above).

I would love to see a compilation feature that would:

  change the artist field to the album name
  then change the album to the artist
  and keep the songs the same

lm sick of having a thousand artist with just one song because there in a compilation

having a send as compilation feature would be awesome
The iPod does have some handling for compilations, though the only way to mark files a part of a compilation using foo_dop is to set the IPOD_COMPILATION meta field to 1. Alternatively you can set it using iTunes directly on the tracks on your iPod. Then you use the compilations feature on your ipod, it works a bit different on different models apparently, it may be a setting on your iPod as well.

Not sure if this is a bug, but anyway here it goes.
The plugin works fine here, but there is a little problem on my Nano 8gb 3rd gen, a game called iquiz came with it(for those who dont know this is a game which uses your songs on the ipod to make a quiz and so forth)anyway this game doesn't seem to work properly, because when it ask me a question like "which album is this song from" there should be a song playing, but there is not, so i have no clue how to answer the question.

This is nothing big of course, just a thing i noticed here the other day.

Indeed, it is a known issue. I tried to find the cause a while ago but failed unfortunately. So it remains broken until I find out the problem
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TREX6662k6 on 2007-11-23 00:48:15
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Indeed, it is a known issue. I tried to find the cause a while ago but failed unfortunately


A problem with tags maybe? (APE, ID3v1 etc). Thats the only thing I can come up with since I don't understand how else it would effect the quiz...Well maybe filenames but I don't think so.
Since I'm in the process of getting a Classic, I can't test out my-self.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-11-23 15:08:16
That was a good hint, it is in fact path/filename length related.

It seems that effectively the filename (inc. extension) cannot be longer than 12 characters for MQ2 to work compared to the current limit of 31 in foo_dop.

I think I will change the limit to 12 characters, but add a setting on the advanced page to adjust it for those that want longer. Of course keep in mind if a track's filename is too long the iPod won't play it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-11-23 19:44:03
0.5.1 TEST released. Just fixes a few bugs, details in changelog.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Soup_Menu on 2007-11-23 22:14:26
The iPod does have some handling for compilations, though the only way to mark files a part of a compilation using foo_dop is to set the IPOD_COMPILATION meta field to 1. Alternatively you can set it using iTunes directly on the tracks on your iPod. Then you use the compilations feature on your ipod, it works a bit different on different models apparently, it may be a setting on your iPod as well.

Would it be possible to add a "Compilation mapping" field in the preferences?  I'd prefer adding a little TAGZ in foobar rather than adding metadata to my compilations just for foo_dop.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: terradune on 2007-11-24 14:03:34
Well, there's done and screwed it up - I thought syncing to iPod meant that the songs whose filenames I'd just corrected would be uploaded - forgetting that I'd just done a quicksearch and there were only two songs on the list right then. There's 27GB of music gone. Any chance the deleted files might still be alive somewhere on my system?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TREX6662k6 on 2007-11-24 18:55:35
Quote
That was a good hint, it is in fact path/filename length related.


Heh, cool. Just got my classic last night too...

I'm not sure if this is the right place for my request however it does involve the iPod DB but I may also contact Florian to see what he says on the request.

Would it be possible to submit music played on the iPod to Last.FM by using foo_dop?

Edit: Eh looks like its already in your request list. Nevermind.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-11-24 23:49:18
Would it be possible to add a "Compilation mapping" field in the preferences?  I'd prefer adding a little TAGZ in foobar rather than adding metadata to my compilations just for foo_dop.
Hi,
Yes OK.

Well, there's done and screwed it up - I thought syncing to iPod meant that the songs whose filenames I'd just corrected would be uploaded - forgetting that I'd just done a quicksearch and there were only two songs on the list right then. There's 27GB of music gone. Any chance the deleted files might still be alive somewhere on my system?
Hi, I assume you don't have the local copies anymore?
In that case you may be able to recover some of the songs from your iPod but first you should stop using it. If you have iTunes installed on your computer stop the iPodService as well. Then connect it up and use some file recovery program. One is findpart (http://www.partitionsupport.com/utilities.htm), see the "Findpart Chsdir" subcommmand. I don't know how well it works, I've only ever used the findntfs utility. Just make sure you don't set it to copy the files back to the iPod! First you may want to use the option to dump the list of files to a text file so you can see what it finds. Good luck.

Heh, cool. Just got my classic last night too...

I'm not sure if this is the right place for my request however it does involve the iPod DB but I may also contact Florian to see what he says on the request.

Would it be possible to submit music played on the iPod to Last.FM by using foo_dop?

Edit: Eh looks like its already in your request list. Nevermind.
I can say definitely there won't be any direct last.fm support from my side. Not sure how indirect support would work though..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TREX6662k6 on 2007-11-25 00:24:17
In Foobar2000, can a component (such as foo_dop) pass data to another component (such as foo_audioscrobber)?

I didn't expect direct support since theres foo_audioscrobber and such would be adding unrelated feature bloat and\or would be reinventing the wheel. I am hoping for a joint effort between foo_pod and foo_audioscrobber.
Since foo_dop can already read the iTunesDB and foo_audioscrobber can access Last.FM, wouldn't it be possible to pass data to foo_audioscrobber ("The Proper Way"TM) or even store it in its cache for submission (which is quite hack-ish)?

Also in the requests is the ability to sync playcounts and rating between the iPod and Foobar2000 which is somewhat similar to the last.fm request.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-11-25 01:18:38
In Foobar2000, can a component (such as foo_dop) pass data to another component (such as foo_audioscrobber)?
If it exposes an API: yes. I do not beleive foo_audioscrobber does. Or, maybe I could add a generic API for other components to receive playback data from portable devices..? The latter makes more sense to me at the moment. It does mean I don't have to implement any specific support for any particular play count related components.

I didn't expect direct support since theres foo_audioscrobber and such would be adding unrelated feature bloat and\or would be reinventing the wheel.
Definitely.

I am hoping for a joint effort between foo_pod and foo_audioscrobber.
Since foo_dop can already read the iTunesDB and foo_audioscrobber can access Last.FM, wouldn't it be possible to pass data to foo_audioscrobber ("The Proper Way"TM)
Of course The Proper Way does not exist at the moment.

or even store it in its cache for submission (which is quite hack-ish)?
Indeed if it's not done through a documented/published API it's relatively suicidal..

Also in the requests is the ability to sync playcounts and rating between the iPod and Foobar2000 which is somewhat similar to the last.fm request.
It is more similar because e.g. foo_playcount uses a database which I don't have access to. Adding that API I mentioned would solve this somewhat. But that will only work if these other components use it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TREX6662k6 on 2007-11-25 01:57:29
Thanks for both your reply and foo_dop.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TREX6662k6 on 2007-11-25 03:16:13
Umm some problems...
I have a 160gb classic. But I have some trouble sending files to the iPod. The files reside on the hard drive and are available in the album list. I right click and sent to iPod. The album is .mp3 with its tags a combination of APE + ID3v1. Upon ejecting, I can browse the newly transfered albums however upon selecting them to play, the HDD spins up and the now playing screen is showing however it stays at 0:00. Upon reconnecting the iPod iTunes sees the music however it has a ! next to track titles. Also the file names of all tracks are "(.)" and are undeleteable.

Is this those minor issues written next to classic on your wiki musicmusic?
Ive yet to see whether dragging the music to the iPod THEN adding to the library makes any difference.
Will experiment in the morning however is this a new issue? (I have to restore the iPod in order to remove those files)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-11-25 10:35:12
Can the give me an example of the source filename and what foo_dop named the file (exactly) as seen when you do a load library and go to properties of the problem track? Also, a list of the other filenames in the destination dir on the iPod would be helpful. I couldn't reproduce anything like this.

No, minor issues refers to some stuff that has been fixed some some remaining minor issues:
-Handling of playlist folders
-The clsasic/nano 3g want items to be sorted with numbers after letters, foo_dop doesn't do that which results in a slight oddity with the scroll-letter thing at the top of the list.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Slotos on 2007-11-25 11:30:45
I can say definitely there won't be any direct last.fm support from my side. Not sure how indirect support would work though..

IIRC Last.fm software supports iPods natively.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TREX6662k6 on 2007-11-25 12:57:20
Scrobbing iPods using the Last.FM application requires an iTunes installation and requires your iPod be automatically managed by iTunes. No thanks...

I'll send the data you requested after work, musicmusic...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Slotos on 2007-11-25 13:31:01
I have no iTunes and everything goes ok. What am I doing wrong?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TREX6662k6 on 2007-11-25 19:10:37
Last.FM (http://www.last.fm/help/faq/?category=iPod+Scrobbling) clearly states the presence of iTunes installed on the computer inorder to scrobble iPods.

So...errr what are you doing?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Slotos on 2007-11-25 19:18:05
Now I'm confused. I'm plugging my iPod and that's all 0.o
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: qwerty85 on 2007-11-25 19:49:34
I would be very pleased if album arts which don't have a proportion of 160x160 pixel (which are not quadratic) were filled up with transparent or white pixels (center).

I'm looking forward to hearing from the developer.

Best regards,
qwerty85
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TREX6662k6 on 2007-11-25 21:32:55
Can the give me an example of the source filename and what foo_dop named the file (exactly) as seen when you do a load library and go to properties of the problem track? Also, a list of the other filenames in the destination dir on the iPod would be helpful. I couldn't reproduce anything like this.


Source filenames
File Names : 01 - A Necessary End.mp3, 02 - Giving In.mp3, 03 - Remember Me_.mp3, 04 - A Simple Test.mp3, 05 - A Hair On The Head Of John The Baptist.mp3

Destination filenames (Properties doesn't open due to the following error)
Could not load info (Unsupported file format) from:
"F:\iPod_Control\Music\F15\(0)."
Could not load info (Unsupported file format) from:
"F:\iPod_Control\Music\F31\(0)."
Could not load info (Unsupported file format) from:
"F:\iPod_Control\Music\F63\(0)."
Could not load info (Unsupported file format) from:
"F:\iPod_Control\Music\F79\(0)."
Could not load info (Unsupported file format) from:
"F:\iPod_Control\Music\F87\(0)."
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-11-25 23:20:53
Does this only affect some files and can you reliably reproduce this? If so I will make a version with some debug output to find out wtf is going on..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TREX6662k6 on 2007-11-26 00:17:09
It actually occurs on ALL music I import to my classic.
Tried and Tested on two machines. My XP x86 laptop and my XP x64 desktop. Both have the same results.

And yes, I can VERY reliably reproduce this since I have yet to transfer a working file to my iPod.

Please note that the files are totally unreadable. Attempting to delete or copy the file in explorer results in a file not found error.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-11-26 00:30:00
Hmm I just sent you a message

It seems like at some point it is losing the filename, though why is the question. BTW: the "number of extra filename characters" settings on the advanced prefs page/tools/ipod manager is at the default value of 4, correct?

BTW if you want to get rid of these files, using 'file/ipod/load library' in foobar2000 then 'ipod/remove from ipod' in the context menu should work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TREX6662k6 on 2007-11-26 00:58:23
"number of extra filename characters" is still set to the, untouched value of, 4.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-11-26 01:01:34
Thanks for the log.

Basically, it is what I suspected: the codepage conversion from utf-8 to ascii of the filename is failing and instead blanking out the filename. The actual conversion code is part of the foobar2000 SDK, but that uses Win32 API.

What operating system are you running? I will send you another version in a bit with that code on my side and some debug logging.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TREX6662k6 on 2007-11-26 01:18:10
Fixed it.
Since you mentioned codepages, I decided to drop by my Regional and Language options. Went to the advanced tab and noticed US-ASCII was un-ticked. Upon ticking and applying then transferring some music across...My music is now stored correctly and plays..

Yay!
Strange how both my computers has both them disabled...

Thanks for your help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-11-26 01:35:07
OK... Indeed, that is the used code page..

It is slightly annoying that it is possible to remove that codepage and break the conversion 

I guess I will just call the relevant Win32 API directly so I can add some error checking.

In any case, thanks for tracking that down, glad it works now
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-11-26 12:48:46
I would be very pleased if album arts which don't have a proportion of 160x160 pixel (which are not quadratic) were filled up with transparent or white pixels (center).

I'm looking forward to hearing from the developer.

Best regards,
qwerty85
OK noted.

Strange how both my computers has both them disabled...
If it wasn't you it could have been something like nLite.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dedheddad on 2007-11-26 14:24:15
Is there a way to get this to work on an ipod (video 5g) running Rockbox?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Slotos on 2007-11-26 14:42:50
Is there a reason to use iTunesDB support component with Rockbox? foo_fileops is enough.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dedheddad on 2007-11-26 15:02:27
I've just made the jump to foobar and rockbox (from itunes), so I'm a little slow.  thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Lord_Daftwager on 2007-11-26 21:38:47
I have the latest plugin installed.  I can't seem to find the "Ignore leading The when sorting" option.  All my 'The' artists are grouped together  (they were fine until I started using foo_dop  ).

Edit:  Nevermind, I see that it has been taken out.  I don't suppose there is any way to change it back to the old sorting scheme?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: db78 on 2007-11-28 00:39:00
Hi, I just bought an iPod Classic, and I'd really like to be able to use only foobar to manage all my music. So here are some questions that I had in regards to using dop_pod. Thanks!

1) I really don't want to use iTunes, so I'm assuming I'll be working with dop_pod. How do I transfer my ratings over? I've used the 2nd gen iPods with dop_pod, but my ratings were not transfer over when I transfered the music.
2) I use autoplaylist with my ratings, so that I have different playlists based on my ratings. Let's say all of my slow songs are 5 stars, and there's a "slow songs" playlist that I transfer to my iPod. If I rate a song on the iPod with 5 stars, will the song be added to the "slow songs" playlist automatically on the iPod?
3) Let's say that I rate certain songs with my iPod, is it possible to transfer the ratings of the songs onto my computer?
4) When I used my 2nd iPod with foobar, I couldn't make use of the "album artist" tag. If I had a soundtrack, the songs would be listed under each individual artist. I'd like it to have the album under the album artist, and then the songs under the album. That way all I don't have a bunch of artists with only one song.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TREX6662k6 on 2007-11-28 01:33:39
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I'd like it to have the album under the album artist, and then the songs under the album. That way all I don't have a bunch of artists with only one song.


You mean the songs under the track artist.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NogginJ on 2007-11-28 05:02:55
I'm pretty sure db78 means Album Artist.

This is a slight annoyance I have with my ipod as well. I tag for instance soundtracks with an Album artist as 'soundtracks'. i think it would be nice to have 'soundtracks' show up under artist view, instead of each song showing up under each artist (where you end up with a bunch of artists with one track).

its not a huge deal to me but it is something i wonder about.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: db78 on 2007-11-28 12:44:44
I'm pretty sure db78 means Album Artist.

This is a slight annoyance I have with my ipod as well. I tag for instance soundtracks with an Album artist as 'soundtracks'. i think it would be nice to have 'soundtracks' show up under artist view, instead of each song showing up under each artist (where you end up with a bunch of artists with one track).

its not a huge deal to me but it is something i wonder about.


Yeah, I do mean Album Artist. I know I can use iTunes and check it under as Compilation, but I'd like ot be able to make use of the Album Artist tag, rather than just have all soundtracks list under Compilation.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-11-28 23:42:57
I have the latest plugin installed.  I can't seem to find the "Ignore leading The when sorting" option.  All my 'The' artists are grouped together  (they were fine until I started using foo_dop  ).

Edit:  Nevermind, I see that it has been taken out.  I don't suppose there is any way to change it back to the old sorting scheme?
Hi,
Yes the option will return, should be in next version.

Hi, I just bought an iPod Classic, and I'd really like to be able to use only foobar to manage all my music. So here are some questions that I had in regards to using dop_pod. Thanks!

1) I really don't want to use iTunes, so I'm assuming I'll be working with dop_pod. How do I transfer my ratings over? I've used the 2nd gen iPods with dop_pod, but my ratings were not transfer over when I transfered the music.
2) I use autoplaylist with my ratings, so that I have different playlists based on my ratings. Let's say all of my slow songs are 5 stars, and there's a "slow songs" playlist that I transfer to my iPod. If I rate a song on the iPod with 5 stars, will the song be added to the "slow songs" playlist automatically on the iPod?
3) Let's say that I rate certain songs with my iPod, is it possible to transfer the ratings of the songs onto my computer?
4) When I used my 2nd iPod with foobar, I couldn't make use of the "album artist" tag. If I had a soundtrack, the songs would be listed under each individual artist. I'd like it to have the album under the album artist, and then the songs under the album. That way all I don't have a bunch of artists with only one song.

1. The ratings are transferred to your ipod via the RATING field with values from 0-5.
2. No. You need to create a live 'Smart Playlist' on your iPod. But, bear in mind ratings are not transferred back to your local files currently.
3. See 2.
4. See below.
5. dop_pod !? How did you come up with that...

Yeah, I do mean Album Artist. I know I can use iTunes and check it under as Compilation, but I'd like ot be able to make use of the Album Artist tag, rather than just have all soundtracks list under Compilation.

I will add a mapping for compilation most likely for next version.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: db78 on 2007-11-29 04:39:44
Hmm I have no idea how I got dop_pod..LOL
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2007-11-29 16:15:59
I'd really like a mapping for ratings. I use a 1-10 scale in foobar, so itd be nice if I could convert this before sending it to the ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2007-11-29 17:28:36
Is there a way to get this to work on an ipod (video 5g) running Rockbox?


just put your folders on your rockbox(ipods) hard drive (drag & drop or send to) then use dop to add them to the library. that way you have a rockbox library & a ipod library. so u can switch between both
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Harun on 2007-11-30 09:11:43
i use foo_dop for managing the music on my ipod (5G)

but i also still use iTunes for videos.

my question: every time use foo_dop to add music w/ album art, and then after i use iTunes to add videos, when i play music i added with foo_dop, the album art goes completely black. is there some kind of problem using foo_dop and iTunes?

I usually just going back into iTunes and erase the art on the ipod that was black, and then proceed to embed the art on the ipod. This works but is very tedious, and i'd like to be able to just add my music and listen     
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-12-04 00:40:35
I'd really like a mapping for ratings. I use a 1-10 scale in foobar, so itd be nice if I could convert this before sending it to the ipod.
It has been requested before. But noted.

i use foo_dop for managing the music on my ipod (5G)

but i also still use iTunes for videos.

my question: every time use foo_dop to add music w/ album art, and then after i use iTunes to add videos, when i play music i added with foo_dop, the album art goes completely black. is there some kind of problem using foo_dop and iTunes?

I usually just going back into iTunes and erase the art on the ipod that was black, and then proceed to embed the art on the ipod. This works but is very tedious, and i'd like to be able to just add my music and listen     
Basically, once you use it to make a change to your iPod, iTunes will go and reread all of the metadata and that seems to include artwork to some extent. I have seen it remove the artwork, but not set it to black. I'll check that, but any reason you don't use foo_dop to send video?

BTW foo_dop 0.5.2 TEST released. Not important yet, but for future reference you can flush the recent play counts from the iPod manually using the 'Rewrite iPod database' command.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hengest on 2007-12-04 06:05:52
BTW foo_dop 0.5.2 TEST released. Not important yet, but for future reference you can flush the recent play counts from the iPod manually using the 'Rewrite iPod database' command.


One thing: under the 'Database' part of the preferences page, the text at the bottom reads: "Database settings a rewrite of...".
Shouldn't it be: "Database settings require a rewrite of..."?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TREX6662k6 on 2007-12-06 22:23:56
I see you have completed the API you had mentioned. Congrats, certainly made me a happy bunny scrobbling my iPod, thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-12-06 23:43:20
One thing: under the 'Database' part of the preferences page, the text at the bottom reads: "Database settings a rewrite of...".
Shouldn't it be: "Database settings require a rewrite of..."?
Ooops  I'll change it for next release.

I see you have completed the API you had mentioned. Congrats, certainly made me a happy bunny scrobbling my iPod, thanks.
Yes  Special thanks to Florian for implementing support for it in foo_audioscrobbler and his helpfulness in testing the API

Just a few notes:
-Make sure you are using foo_dop 0.5.3 or newer.
-The recent plays will be scrobbled when foo_dop flushes the recent plays from the iPod. This happens whenever foo_dop makes a change to the iPod (you can do it manually via the 'Rewrite iPod database' command). So if you let another application modify your iPod it will probably flush the recent plays itself and so they won't be scrobbled by foo_audioscrobbler (so flush them via foo_dop first).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2007-12-07 00:11:12
I just started using the synchronize feature and Im a little confused about how it works. I have an ipod playlist which I keep filled with anything I want on the ipod, and this is what I use to sync. First, I synced that playlist with my ipod. Then I added a few files to the playlist, and resynced. Instead of simply adding the new files, dop seemed to delete all of the existing songs on the ipod and then re-add everything. Shouldnt it detect the songs that already exist and just update changed tags and add anything new? Also, if I choose the "send to ipod" option, does it detect if the selected file(s) already exist and skip any that are there, or does it simply add them without checking?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: qwerty85 on 2007-12-07 13:54:30
I couldn't find the changelog of the 0.5.3 TEST release.
Do we already have the filling of a non-quadratic album art with transparent pixels?

Best regards,
qwerty85
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-12-07 16:54:04
I just started using the synchronize feature and Im a little confused about how it works. I have an ipod playlist which I keep filled with anything I want on the ipod, and this is what I use to sync. First, I synced that playlist with my ipod. Then I added a few files to the playlist, and resynced. Instead of simply adding the new files, dop seemed to delete all of the existing songs on the ipod and then re-add everything. Shouldnt it detect the songs that already exist and just update changed tags and add anything new?
If they were removed and recopied from the iPod they must have been modified at some point.

Also, if I choose the "send to ipod" option, does it detect if the selected file(s) already exist and skip any that are there, or does it simply add them without checking?
Latter.

I couldn't find the changelog of the 0.5.3 TEST release.
Do we already have the filling of a non-quadratic album art with transparent pixels?

Sorry, it was just some API fixes. No, I haven't made any changes yet. But I checked my code, it should be preserving the AR/centering already. It seems there was a bug which would cause some black bars though when displayed on the iPod. That should be corrected for the next build. Though, the fix for that made my Classic crop the image, but that is probably due to the funky way it displays them, I don't think other models will do that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2007-12-07 17:32:10

I just started using the synchronize feature and Im a little confused about how it works. I have an ipod playlist which I keep filled with anything I want on the ipod, and this is what I use to sync. First, I synced that playlist with my ipod. Then I added a few files to the playlist, and resynced. Instead of simply adding the new files, dop seemed to delete all of the existing songs on the ipod and then re-add everything. Shouldn't it detect the songs that already exist and just update changed tags and add anything new?
If they were removed and recopied from the iPod they must have been modified at some point.

Also, if I choose the "send to ipod" option, does it detect if the selected file(s) already exist and skip any that are there, or does it simply add them without checking?
Latter.
Regarding the first answer, no, none of the files were changed except for a few new files. I'll try syncing them again and see if it does the same thing, but I can't think of anything that could have modified every single one of those files.

As for the second answer, would it be possible to make a "Send to ipod if modified" which would check before sending each song to the ipod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-12-07 19:01:01
Regarding the first answer, no, none of the files were changed except for a few new files. I'll try syncing them again and see if it does the same thing, but I can't think of anything that could have modified every single one of those files.
Do you write play counts to the files? Anyway, you can check the the last modified times of the files in question.

As for the second answer, would it be possible to make a "Send to ipod if modified" which would check before sending each song to the ipod?
I will probably just add better duplicate handling to the existing command at some point.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: qwerty85 on 2007-12-15 15:44:59
Hello,

sorry for being so annoying, but do you mean to publish a new release (with the fixed album art function) still in 2007?

Best regards,
qwerty85
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Florian on 2007-12-16 21:01:01
I'm a new user of foo_dop and I really enjoy using it!

However, I think the process of sending files to the iPod can be improved. Currently, the progress bar that is shown while sending files to the iPod gives no indication about the current state of the operation. Since it is very hard to predict any ETA (especially when files are converted during copying) it would be nice to see at least some status information on the console that gives some indication to the user.

Thanks musicmusic for this nice and useful component!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2007-12-17 02:03:14
First, want to say thanks a lot for the DB and for getting the foo_audioscrobbler author to support it.  Had been using a third party program for that when I remembered to, having it done automatically now whenever I transfer songs makes it much better.  Much appreciate it and all the other work you've put into this plugin.

Now, a couple questions:
Currently there's no support for doing replaygain when autoconverting files.  Is this something you have planned at all?  Currently I'm converting manually and replaygain scanning before sending to iPod, but it would be great if it could be fixed to do it for me.

Second, there's an issue that's been bugging me for a while with smart playlists and the "load library and playlists" menu option.  I use a lot of smart playlists that are based off time - "50 most played songs in the last 1 month", "50 most played songs in the last 3 months", "songs played in the last 7 days", etc.  When I load the playlists in foobar they seem to be a cached version.  Judging from the contents I think it's from the last time I actually used iTunes to send something to my iPod.  When using the playlists on my iPod they all work correctly, but in foobar they just seem to be some old cached copy instead of being calculated.  Is there something I'm doing wrong, is it a bug, or is it just not supported?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-12-19 00:29:10
Hello,

sorry for being so annoying, but do you mean to publish a new release (with the fixed album art function) still in 2007?

Best regards,
qwerty85
Probably.
I'm a new user of foo_dop and I really enjoy using it!

However, I think the process of sending files to the iPod can be improved. Currently, the progress bar that is shown while sending files to the iPod gives no indication about the current state of the operation. Since it is very hard to predict any ETA (especially when files are converted during copying) it would be nice to see at least some status information on the console that gives some indication to the user.
Hi!

I could change it so e.g. the copying files step is displayed as 'Copying files (i of n processed) ...'. I would like to keep information useful rather than to give useless/irrelevant details. What I dislike about '(i of n processed)' on each subtask is that it isn't actually that useful for measuring overall progress, as it would start again on the next sub task. The progress meter does move for each file copied, so that should in theory give a good impression of the length of the operation (but see below).

It would be too much info in console if a message was added for each file copied.

Basically, I think I will
-Weight the subtasks properly in the progress meter. Each group of subtasks currently has the same space allocated which is wrong/misleading etc.
-Either change the statuses to be in this format: 'Copying n files...' or put that info in the console.

Of course, a estimated remaining time would be great but yes it's difficult to implement properly. I'll possibly come back to that later.

Thanks musicmusic for this nice and useful component!

Welcome
Much appreciate it and all the other work you've put into this plugin.
Welcome

Now, a couple questions:
Currently there's no support for doing replaygain when autoconverting files.  Is this something you have planned at all?  Currently I'm converting manually and replaygain scanning before sending to iPod, but it would be great if it could be fixed to do it for me.
I also want that feature, however the problem is the lack of any proper replaygain API. I can essentially run the menu command on my side to do the scan, but that will possibly trigger popup dialogs (as well as secondary progress dialogs though there are already a few of those) and some other inefficiencies. The main issue is those user prompts that may appear though.

The good news is that if you let foo_dop convert the files itself, and manually replaygain scan the copies on your iPod those files will not be recopied on next sync (unless the local copy was modified). You can use the 'Update metadata in ipod library' command to update the soundcheck values in the database after the manual replaygain scan. (Of course if you're regularly sending files that need to be converted it's a bit tedious)

Second, there's an issue that's been bugging me for a while with smart playlists and the "load library and playlists" menu option.  I use a lot of smart playlists that are based off time - "50 most played songs in the last 1 month", "50 most played songs in the last 3 months", "songs played in the last 7 days", etc.  When I load the playlists in foobar they seem to be a cached version.  Judging from the contents I think it's from the last time I actually used iTunes to send something to my iPod.  When using the playlists on my iPod they all work correctly, but in foobar they just seem to be some old cached copy instead of being calculated.  Is there something I'm doing wrong, is it a bug, or is it just not supported?
It's a bit of a quirk. Basically, for 'Live-updating' smart playlist the iPod dynamically generates content for the playlist (which you only see on your iPod). The smart playlists also have associated 'static' items which I guess are only of use (on the ipod itself) with 'Live-updating' disabled. iTunes updates those static entries whenever you use it (by basically applying the smart playlist rules to the ipod library) but foo_dop does not (I think you can imagine writing handlers to apply all of those specific rules would be pretty complicated)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-12-20 19:58:30
Hello,

sorry for being so annoying, but do you mean to publish a new release (with the fixed album art function) still in 2007?

Best regards,
qwerty85

OK, it's complicated but I'm not sure I actually fixed anything.

It would be helpful if you could tell me:
-What iPod model you currently have
-What behaviour you are currently seeing
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: D.Sync on 2007-12-21 04:41:58
I'm just started to use foo_dop yesterday and even tried to sync my 5xx albums into my iPod. Everything works fine except the album artwork. I'm sure that I had embedded the artwork into my MP3 directly but still, the plugin doesn't seem to copy the artwork into the ipod artwork database though. Only 3 out of 5xx of my synchronized album displayed the artwork.

Any updates?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hengest on 2007-12-21 05:15:29
I'm just started to use foo_dop yesterday and even tried to sync my 5xx albums into my iPod. Everything works fine except the album artwork. I'm sure that I had embedded the artwork into my MP3 directly but still, the plugin doesn't seem to copy the artwork into the ipod artwork database though. Only 3 out of 5xx of my synchronized album displayed the artwork.

Any updates?


AFAIK, the component doesn't add embedded artwork - only a "folder.jpg" stored in the same folder as the songs from the album.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2007-12-21 08:26:27
AFAIK, the component doesn't add embedded artwork - only a "folder.jpg" stored in the same folder as the songs from the album.

Exactly. You can use a user-defined action in MP3Tag to extract all embedded artwork to folder.jpg files, for example.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: qwerty85 on 2007-12-21 15:02:16
OK, it's complicated but I'm not sure I actually fixed anything.

It would be helpful if you could tell me:
-What iPod model you currently have
-What behaviour you are currently seeing
I own an iPod of the fifth generation (30gb). With album arts that are quadratic there's no problem. With album arts that aren't quadratic (for example 160x158 pixels) there's a problem: The two missing pixels (to fill up the image to a quadrat) are black/dark. With album arts that have a resolution of 160x135 pixels (for example the cover of a single (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_%28music%29)) there's no problem at all.

Best regards,
qwerty85
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: D.Sync on 2007-12-23 03:32:22
Thanks for the reply. Btw, will this plugin caused any PERMANENT DAMAGE to my iPod Classic 6G? Just curious and wonder should I just use iTunes or foobar2k.

The fact is, after I had added my music (1xxxx) songs to iTunes library, iTunes automatically fill in the 'Comment' tab with numbers, eg: 1000dx0c030..... My thought will be, that number indicates iTunes normalize volume details? It's kinda weird as it totally mess up my Comment idTag.

Besides, I had issues after I had added those songs to iTunes. It delete the cover art embedded inside the mp3 files. Whenever I click a particular album, it only shows a BLANK WHITE image instead of the cover art itself. Foobar2k wouldn't have such issues, would it? 

Not only that, iTunes aren't able to read the track title correctly. Eg: A song had tagged with title 'A Dreadful Night'. When displayed in foobar2k, the title column just displayed the title, which is 'A Dreadful Night'. However, when displayed in iTunes, it showed up as 'Album name - Artist name - A Dreadful Night'. After I click and play the song, then only the title changed back to 'A Dreadful Night' (notice that the album-artist name had gone)

In my opinion, I didn't think iTunes had improved much, especially it's music library. Hopefully my choice to use foobar2k + foo_dop will be a wise choice. Just crossing my finger for foo_dop next updates. (stable update  )
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ipse on 2007-12-23 20:08:21
Two questions from new foo_dop user (not that new user of foobar itself):
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: radecke on 2007-12-25 18:14:23
first of all: thanks for this great plugin  it works very well on my ipod classic

but i have two little problems: i have synched my ipod with my media library and i have now added covers to some albums that didn't have one and i have also downloaded some better covers for albums that already had one.
is there a way to automatically update the new and changed covers or do i have to manually delete and send those albums again?

and the other problem: i have sent two videos from two different folders with each different folder.jpgs as thumbs to the ipod, but when i browse them on my ipod they both have the same thumbnail.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-12-28 00:38:30
Thanks for the reply. Btw, will this plugin caused any PERMANENT DAMAGE to my iPod Classic 6G? Just curious and wonder should I just use iTunes or foobar2k.
Directly - it's not really possible. I have not seen any issues but worst case is using disk mode on your iPod and restoring it.

The fact is, after I had added my music (1xxxx) songs to iTunes library, iTunes automatically fill in the 'Comment' tab with numbers, eg: 1000dx0c030..... My thought will be, that number indicates iTunes normalize volume details? It's kinda weird as it totally mess up my Comment idTag.
It uses one for SoundCheck data and one for gapless data as far as I know, but I think the latter will only turn up in iTunes encoded files.

Besides, I had issues after I had added those songs to iTunes. It delete the cover art embedded inside the mp3 files. Whenever I click a particular album, it only shows a BLANK WHITE image instead of the cover art itself. Foobar2k wouldn't have such issues, would it? 
Sounds like id3 mess. I think foobar preserves album art these days but I'm not sure.

Not only that, iTunes aren't able to read the track title correctly. Eg: A song had tagged with title 'A Dreadful Night'. When displayed in foobar2k, the title column just displayed the title, which is 'A Dreadful Night'. However, when displayed in iTunes, it showed up as 'Album name - Artist name - A Dreadful Night'. After I click and play the song, then only the title changed back to 'A Dreadful Night' (notice that the album-artist name had gone)
Possibly multiple tags with different values in the file, or maybe that was the filename ?

In my opinion, I didn't think iTunes had improved much, especially it's music library. Hopefully my choice to use foobar2k + foo_dop will be a wise choice.
Well if it is not you can always switch back to iTunes...

Just crossing my finger for foo_dop next updates. (stable update  )
What are you looking for in the updates ?

Are there any plans to use foo_converter to convert files instead of own implementation? Own implementation looks pretty bare - e.g. no support for presets and simultaneous encoding. And rather then re-invent wheel, isn't it better to use existing piece of code? That's a good dream of code reusability.
Well, it's not possible because there is no API for foo_converter. (Even if there was, I don't see any APIs in foobar2000 SDK with custom progress hooks so say hello to double progress dialogs) Converting multiple files simultaneously is not exactly related to this either.

Is there any existing nice-looking foobar preset with foo_dop? I want to upload one on my iPod nano to be able work with it on machines that do not have iTunes/foobar2000 installed. That is smth. like a "portable foodop". By nice-looking I mean user-friendliness in the first place - like all foo_dop commands put as buttons on UI to be accessible in one cllick, etc.
I don't know of any, sorry.

is there a way to automatically update the new and changed covers or do i have to manually delete and send those albums again?
You can add new covers by using the 'update metadata in iPod library' command on files listed by 'load library' but it's not possible to update covers already added currently.

and the other problem: i have sent two videos from two different folders with each different folder.jpgs as thumbs to the ipod, but when i browse them on my ipod they both have the same thumbnail.
It's related to sparse artwork on the new iPods, my handling of that falls over due to lack of metadata I guess, I'll fix that. Thanks for reporting.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: radecke on 2007-12-28 01:33:46
is there a way to automatically update the new and changed covers or do i have to manually delete and send those albums again?
You can add new covers by using the 'update metadata in iPod library' command on files listed by 'load library' but it's not possible to update covers already added currently.

and the other problem: i have sent two videos from two different folders with each different folder.jpgs as thumbs to the ipod, but when i browse them on my ipod they both have the same thumbnail.
It's related to sparse artwork on the new iPods, my handling of that falls over due to lack of metadata I guess, I'll fix that. Thanks for reporting.

thanks for your reply. concerning the updated covers: will future versions be able the identify updated albumart and replace it? it's not really urgent, but it would be nice
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Adi Corrales on 2007-12-29 16:30:11
Hi again everybody!

Well, I think this is more requests than questions, but, anyway, I just want to know if it is possible.

I'm trying to free mi ipod from any pc.  Actually, I have my music in a portable HD as a backup, and I have foobar in this HD.  I use to sync my ipod with this database.  But what I want is to be able to use my ipod as my main music database and have my HD just as a backup.  It is not problem at all in use Foobar2000 directly from my ipod, but there are two small things that I think are gonna make this more like my HD experience.

First:  There is no a way to retrieve back the artwork from the ipod to foobar.  I can't see any of mi artwork in foobar, so, I don't know if an album already has artwork or not without seeing directly in the ipod.  Actually, I see that floola can do that (that's the reason it is still in my ipod) So I wonder.... ¿Why foo_dop can't?  this wolud be a great feature.

The other one is the time that foobar takes to retrieve the ipod database.  I know this depends of the number of files you have, but I was thinking that it would be great that foo_dop give us the option to save a "pseudo-media library" (I mean, a playlist    ) that will load faster than the database, and I can recreate, or update any time I read the database from ipod.  Actually I do this by hand, but, well, I lose nothing asking for this 

thanks for this wonderful plug in and regards!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: JoyO on 2007-12-29 18:23:04
musicmusic - great plugin, great updates  Thank You!

Here are couple of suggestions:
- Could the playlist created by "Load library" be sorted? Now it seems to be in dates order, that may be useful in some cases but I find myself always sorting it by general string so albums are grouped.
- I think there should be info about doing transcode from lossy source, perhaps it could be presented the same way as when gapless info cant be determined?
- As stated above by Adi Corrales finding missing covers isnt easy. Maybe give that information in similar way to new playcount plugin so it will be possible to use it in tagz for custom columns?
- I would really like to have an option to resize cover (instead of adding black bars) if the width to height ratio isnt huge. In most cases this is unnoticable on small iPod screen and would look better than bars.

And finally one thing that bothers me - I have a few movies send to ipod by itunes so they have names like EKKP.mp4 without any tags. When foo_dop will erase info about them from database and replace it with own data (ie filename)? It happened to me once and that was confusing  I tried "Refresh iPod library metadata" but the info its still on the iPod. Don't really want to experiment with rewrite database now
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2007-12-29 18:28:37
- Could the playlist created by "Load library" be sorted? Now it seems to be in dates order, that may be useful in some cases but I find myself always sorting it by general string so albums are grouped.

I was meaning to post that one myself one day, but you were faster...

I guess it's sorted by path and filename now, which thanks to the iPod's silly file storage scheme doesn't make much sense at all for everyday use...

NB: I'm playing files directly off my iPod at work, so sorting files by Album automatically is the first thing I do before putting together a playlist in Foobar2000...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-12-29 23:55:00
First:  There is no a way to retrieve back the artwork from the ipod to foobar.  I can't see any of mi artwork in foobar, so, I don't know if an album already has artwork or not without seeing directly in the ipod.  Actually, I see that floola can do that (that's the reason it is still in my ipod) So I wonder.... ¿Why foo_dop can't?  this wolud be a great feature.
What exactly are you trying to do? Anyway, there is a column in 'Browse iPod' that tells you if a track has artwork.

The other one is the time that foobar takes to retrieve the ipod database.  I know this depends of the number of files you have, but I was thinking that it would be great that foo_dop give us the option to save a "pseudo-media library" (I mean, a playlist    ) that will load faster than the database, and I can recreate, or update any time I read the database from ipod.  Actually I do this by hand, but, well, I lose nothing asking for this 
It builds a metadata cache which takes time the first time. It should be faster afterwards though. Which part of the process is slow?

musicmusic - great plugin, great updates  Thank You!

Here are couple of suggestions:
- Could the playlist created by "Load library" be sorted? Now it seems to be in dates order, that may be useful in some cases but I find myself always sorting it by general string so albums are grouped.
- I think there should be info about doing transcode from lossy source, perhaps it could be presented the same way as when gapless info cant be determined?
- As stated above by Adi Corrales finding missing covers isnt easy. Maybe give that information in similar way to new playcount plugin so it will be possible to use it in tagz for custom columns?
- I would really like to have an option to resize cover (instead of adding black bars) if the width to height ratio isnt huge. In most cases this is unnoticable on small iPod screen and would look better than bars.

And finally one thing that bothers me - I have a few movies send to ipod by itunes so they have names like EKKP.mp4 without any tags. When foo_dop will erase info about them from database and replace it with own data (ie filename)? It happened to me once and that was confusing  I tried "Refresh iPod library metadata" but the info its still on the iPod. Don't really want to experiment with rewrite database now

1. It's currently unsorted: it is just the order they are in the iPod database. In general that is the order they were added to the iPod. I use this so I may add an option to control the sorting.
2. Well, the copy on the iPod isn't meant to be a backup, and it is basically using the settings you provide.
3. Without background loading of the iPod database it isn't exactly possible directly in the foobar2000 playlist.
4. Basically, it is slightly complicated. Some iPod models / artwork image formats request cropped images, but foo_dop doesn't provide those which can result in black bars. In other cases, foo_dop provides info on how much of the image is padded out but some issues there may have resulted in some small black bars. Which iPod model do you have?
5. Yes, that is what "Refresh iPod library metadata" will do. Add some metadata to the file and run 'ipod/update metadata...' in contextmenu instead (that does the same as the main menu command but limits it to the selected items)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: JoyO on 2007-12-30 00:21:59
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3. Without background loading of the iPod database it isn't exactly possible directly in the foobar2000 playlist
Anyway, now that I know this info is in browser column there is no problem for me
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4. Basically, it is slightly complicated. Some iPod models / artwork image formats request cropped images, but foo_dop doesn't provide those which can result in black bars. In other cases, foo_dop provides info on how much of the image is padded out but some issues there may have resulted in some small black bars. Which iPod model do you have?
Hmm I see, I have 3G Nano.
BTW - there is helpful tool from microsoft called contig. It allows defragmenting only certain files, for example .ithmb ones.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: anonymous_user on 2007-12-30 02:11:17
I cant find a volume normalization feature in foo_dop. Can it be added? TIA

Without it I frequently have to adjust the volume on my nano.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kalmark on 2007-12-30 11:22:24

- Could the playlist created by "Load library" be sorted? Now it seems to be in dates order, that may be useful in some cases but I find myself always sorting it by general string so albums are grouped.

1. It's currently unsorted: it is just the order they are in the iPod database. In general that is the order they were added to the iPod. I use this so I may add an option to control the sorting.

Strangely enough, on my iPod Classic tracks really seem to be in this order (in the iPodDB), but on a 3G Nano they are exactly in reversed order (in the iPodDB). Is there a reason why the files are written in a different way? Both iPods are managed by foo_dop 0.5.3.

Also, I have a bug to report, using 0.5.3 and an iPod Classic: I have two albums, with a different album artist but the same album title. In the "Cover Flow" and "Albums" views I see both albums separately in the list, but when I click on either one, all songs from both albums are listed under each one. In the "Artists" view they are properly separated. Do you maybe have an idea why this might be? Can this be corrected?

And one other thing, which might not even be a problem your plugin caused: I wanted to check out Floola (http://www.floola.com) for iPod management, and when I started it up, it complained that my iPod is not set up correctly (after using it managed by foo_dop for weeks), and if I want Floola to set it up for me. I did not allow this, of course, but my iPod's DB was reset nevertheless (now this is probably a Floola bug). Luckily, foo_dop managed to rewrite the DB, and all's well now. Do you have an idea why Floola, and sometimes iTunes complains about my iPod Classic not even being initialised for use?

And a third thing comes to my mind  Is there a way to detect if I want to send duplicates to my iPod? And to prevent it? (i.e. I have an album on my iPod, but I forget about it and send it again later. All tracks will then show up twice on the iPod  )

Nothing else for now!  Just to thank you for creating and maintaining foo_dop!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-12-30 19:50:14
Hmm I see, I have 3G Nano.
Yeh, I have a Classic and that mainly wants cropped images, Nano 3G is probably the same. I will sort this one day..

BTW - there is helpful tool from microsoft called contig. It allows defragmenting only certain files, for example .ithmb ones.
I have the whole Sysinternals suite on my drive but I didn't notice that  Thanks.

I cant find a volume normalization feature in foo_dop. Can it be added? TIA

Without it I frequently have to adjust the volume on my nano.
If your files have Replaygain data that will be converted to SoundCheck data by foo_dop.

Strangely enough, on my iPod Classic tracks really seem to be in this order (in the iPodDB), but on a 3G Nano they are exactly in reversed order (in the iPodDB). Is there a reason why the files are written in a different way? Both iPods are managed by foo_dop 0.5.3.
It doesn't do anything different on those models. Bear in mind files may be re-added during a sync (that puts them at the end) also if you send multiple files at once they will all be at the end but in an undefined order. Again, I guess it's complicated

Also, I have a bug to report, using 0.5.3 and an iPod Classic: I have two albums, with a different album artist but the same album title. In the "Cover Flow" and "Albums" views I see both albums separately in the list, but when I click on either one, all songs from both albums are listed under each one. In the "Artists" view they are properly separated. Do you maybe have an idea why this might be? Can this be corrected?
I don't think this is my issue (but rather an issue with the iPod). If they are compilations setting them as so may help. Does the artist field vary between the tracks/albums? I have seen issues similar to this, I may check it out or alternatively you could try adding the same songs via iTunes. Also make sure you are using the latest Classic firmware.

And one other thing, which might not even be a problem your plugin caused: I wanted to check out Floola (http://www.floola.com) for iPod management, and when I started it up, it complained that my iPod is not set up correctly (after using it managed by foo_dop for weeks), and if I want Floola to set it up for me. I did not allow this, of course, but my iPod's DB was reset nevertheless (now this is probably a Floola bug). Luckily, foo_dop managed to rewrite the DB, and all's well now. Do you have an idea why Floola, and sometimes iTunes complains about my iPod Classic not even being initialised for use?
iTunes shouldn't complain if you've just been using foo_dop. But other 3rd party apps may cause issues. The rewrite command just reads (parses) the database and writes it out again. So if that fixed it floola must have written a bad db (iTunes/iPod perform some additional security checks when reading the DB which foo_dop doesn't care about).

BTW: I have had the Classic do odd things. Basically after disconnecting it from the computer, I have had it reconnect once the "OK to disconnect" progress was completed and then disconnecting and repeating.. This also resulted in the iPod service giving a message along the lines of "Your iPod needs to be reformatted for use with Windows". That message can be ignored in this case, just disconnect it in the small "OK to disconnect" window.

And a third thing comes to my mind  Is there a way to detect if I want to send duplicates to my iPod? And to prevent it? (i.e. I have an album on my iPod, but I forget about it and send it again later. All tracks will then show up twice on the iPod  )
Not really yet.. I'll make some changes there at some point though. Personally I just use sync.

Nothing else for now!  Just to thank you for creating and maintaining foo_dop!
Welcome
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: radecke on 2007-12-30 23:55:57
i have a request: it would be nice if it was possible to exclude certain filetypes. i have a lot of .dts files and everytime i sync my ipod i get a list of errormessages that these files can't be converted because they have more than two channels.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kalmark on 2007-12-31 14:16:58
Strangely enough, on my iPod Classic tracks really seem to be in this order (in the iPodDB), but on a 3G Nano they are exactly in reversed order (in the iPodDB). Is there a reason why the files are written in a different way? Both iPods are managed by foo_dop 0.5.3.
It doesn't do anything different on those models. Bear in mind files may be re-added during a sync (that puts them at the end) also if you send multiple files at once they will all be at the end but in an undefined order. Again, I guess it's complicated
I usually just send the files to both iPods. And when sending multiple files they seem to end up in their original playlist order on the iPod Classic, and reversed on the 3G Nano. Not that this would matter much

Also, I have a bug to report, using 0.5.3 and an iPod Classic: I have two albums, with a different album artist but the same album title. In the "Cover Flow" and "Albums" views I see both albums separately in the list, but when I click on either one, all songs from both albums are listed under each one. In the "Artists" view they are properly separated. Do you maybe have an idea why this might be? Can this be corrected?
I don't think this is my issue (but rather an issue with the iPod). If they are compilations setting them as so may help. Does the artist field vary between the tracks/albums? I have seen issues similar to this, I may check it out or alternatively you could try adding the same songs via iTunes. Also make sure you are using the latest Classic firmware.
I have the latest 1.0.3 firmware. Both albums are non-compilation albums, and each album has tracks only from one artist (which is different between the albums). I will check the same tracks sent from iTunes, though that would leave me without covers...

And one other thing, which might not even be a problem your plugin caused: I wanted to check out Floola (http://www.floola.com) for iPod management, and when I started it up, it complained that my iPod is not set up correctly (after using it managed by foo_dop for weeks), and if I want Floola to set it up for me. I did not allow this, of course, but my iPod's DB was reset nevertheless (now this is probably a Floola bug). Luckily, foo_dop managed to rewrite the DB, and all's well now. Do you have an idea why Floola, and sometimes iTunes complains about my iPod Classic not even being initialised for use?
iTunes shouldn't complain if you've just been using foo_dop. But other 3rd party apps may cause issues. The rewrite command just reads (parses) the database and writes it out again. So if that fixed it floola must have written a bad db (iTunes/iPod perform some additional security checks when reading the DB which foo_dop doesn't care about).

BTW: I have had the Classic do odd things. Basically after disconnecting it from the computer, I have had it reconnect once the "OK to disconnect" progress was completed and then disconnecting and repeating.. This also resulted in the iPod service giving a message along the lines of "Your iPod needs to be reformatted for use with Windows". That message can be ignored in this case, just disconnect it in the small "OK to disconnect" window.
I think this is basically the same behaviour I'm getting. Maybe Floola is also checking some stuff for itself...

And a third thing comes to my mind  Is there a way to detect if I want to send duplicates to my iPod? And to prevent it? (i.e. I have an album on my iPod, but I forget about it and send it again later. All tracks will then show up twice on the iPod  )
Not really yet.. I'll make some changes there at some point though. Personally I just use sync.
I've been using sync as well, but I lost the playlist I was syncing to. And I have 2 computers with no possibility to share mp3s between them, so I tend to just "send" tracks from either one.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2007-12-31 15:39:31
Firstly, thanks alot for this plugin... foobar is my music player/manager of choice and using it to sync my iPod is a natural choice. Keep up the good work!

However, I'm getting alot of "I/O Error" messages when trying to add gapless data for my tracks... some albums succeed, others fail. Albums that fail consistently fail, but if I fire up iTunes it adds gapless data for all those that foo_dop fails for. I know for a fact that these files have gapless tags in the id3 tags, as I just ripped them myself (LAME 3.97).

FYI, I am running Windows XP 64 with an iPod classic 160Gb.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-12-31 16:11:33
Basically foo_dop is having trouble parsing the file, typically caused by some junk at the beginning of the file before the audio data, such as a second id3v2 tag or some other junk.

Are you using any other programs to tag/modify the files?

If you upload a sample file (e.g. yousendit.com) I can check what the problem is (PM me the link).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2007-12-31 16:49:37
If you upload a sample file (e.g. yousendit.com) I can check what the problem is (PM me the link).


PM sent.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-12-31 16:59:15
It has two id3v2 tags. One seems to have been added by LAME, and one by EAC. I think you've probably set both of them to tag the file.

You can remove the first tag by loading the file into foobar2000, from MP3 Tag Types in the context menu deselect id3v2. That should remove only the first tag.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2007-12-31 17:24:01
It has two id3v2 tags. One seems to have been added by LAME, and one by EAC. I think you've probably set both of them to tag the file.


Wow, that's odd... EAC is set to tag the files when I rip them, if I decide to change something after ripping (i.e. genre) then I use foobar to edit the tags. I've no idea why foobar is adding another ID3V2 tag instead of editing the existing one. If it does need to create a new one for padding purposes, why leave the old one?

One other question... how can one easily add album art to albums that don't already have album art? How about those for which I have replaced the art with a better or corrected picture?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2007-12-31 17:43:49

It has two id3v2 tags. One seems to have been added by LAME, and one by EAC. I think you've probably set both of them to tag the file.


Wow, that's odd... EAC is set to tag the files when I rip them, if I decide to change something after ripping (i.e. genre) then I use foobar to edit the tags. I've no idea why foobar is adding another ID3V2 tag instead of editing the existing one. If it does need to create a new one for padding purposes, why leave the old one?
No I think you've set Lame to add a tag, I think it has some options to specify artist etc. through command line. It seems EAC has added a tag instead of using the existing one. The contents of the tag makes that clear (one has a TSSE field specifying LAME 3.97 alpha, the other has a TENC field specifying EAC. So it seems clear they have each added a tag).

One other question... how can one easily add album art to albums that don't already have album art? How about those for which I have replaced the art with a better or corrected picture?
I think this has been covered in the posts above.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2008-01-01 12:24:50
I think this has been covered in the posts above.


Yeah, sorry about that last post... I'd started on the New Years booze a little early. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2008-01-02 13:20:35
Thanks for your help so far MusicMusic, as ever I've a few more questions :

1. Is there a quick and easy way to add radio shows using foo_dop? I often download mp3s of talks, discussion shows etc and would like to add them to my iPod such that they appear in the "Radio" area, and not amongst the main artist section. If I use iTunes, it seems to routinely remove album art which is painful to fix.

2. Have you considered opening up the source to foo_dop? There is huge potential for this plugin and as popularity grows there will probably be more feature requests / bug reports than you can easily handle. Not to mention that the half-life of foobar plugin develpments in general seems to be terribly short and one ipod plugin has already died off (foo_pod). Collaborative efforts have a much greater chance of success. I'm a software engineer by trade and whilst I have never participated in an open-source project, this is the first one I have felt I would like to contribute to.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Adi Corrales on 2008-01-02 15:26:07
First:  There is no a way to retrieve back the artwork from the ipod to foobar.  I can't see any of mi artwork in foobar, so, I don't know if an album already has artwork or not without seeing directly in the ipod.  Actually, I see that floola can do that (that's the reason it is still in my ipod) So I wonder.... ¿Why foo_dop can't?  this wolud be a great feature.

What exactly are you trying to do? Anyway, there is a column in 'Browse iPod' that tells you if a track has artwork.


Sorry for the delay... actually I think that show the covers in an albumart panel would be could, but i can live without that jejeje...  I just like to see the cover of what I'm playing

The other one is the time that foobar takes to retrieve the ipod database.  I know this depends of the number of files you have, but I was thinking that it would be great that foo_dop give us the option to save a "pseudo-media library" (I mean, a playlist    ) that will load faster than the database, and I can recreate, or update any time I read the database from ipod.  Actually I do this by hand, but, well, I lose nothing asking for this 

It builds a metadata cache which takes time the first time. It should be faster afterwards though. Which part of the process is slow?


Upsss!  Forget this....  It was mi Foobar instalation.  For some reason, it was deleting  ALL the playlist  when it closes, so I have to reload the iPod library every time I open it....  I reinstall foobar and now, it seems to keep the playlists the way I leave when it closes....  I guess that I just have to change the drive letter of my ipod to be sure the playlist is correct in every PC...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-01-03 01:22:00
Thanks for your help so far MusicMusic, as ever I've a few more questions :

1. Is there a quick and easy way to add radio shows using foo_dop? I often download mp3s of talks, discussion shows etc and would like to add them to my iPod such that they appear in the "Radio" area, and not amongst the main artist section. If I use iTunes, it seems to routinely remove album art which is painful to fix.

2. Have you considered opening up the source to foo_dop? There is huge potential for this plugin and as popularity grows there will probably be more feature requests / bug reports than you can easily handle. Not to mention that the half-life of foobar plugin develpments in general seems to be terribly short and one ipod plugin has already died off (foo_pod). Collaborative efforts have a much greater chance of success. I'm a software engineer by trade and whilst I have never participated in an open-source project, this is the first one I have felt I would like to contribute to.

1. Do you mean podcasts? No there isn't really much support for those.
2. I am against it. Anyway, if foo_pod didn't die off there wouldn't be any foo_dop 

Upsss!  Forget this....  It was mi Foobar instalation.  For some reason, it was deleting  ALL the playlist  when it closes, so I have to reload the iPod library every time I open it....  I reinstall foobar and now, it seems to keep the playlists the way I leave when it closes....  I guess that I just have to change the drive letter of my ipod to be sure the playlist is correct in every PC...
Well the cache is independent of driver letters and keeping playlists open. It should take only several seconds or so (longer with like a more than a few thousand songs/videos) to do a load library if everything is cached.

Hello,

sorry for being so annoying, but do you mean to publish a new release (with the fixed album art function) still in 2007?

Best regards,
qwerty85
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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2008-01-03 13:02:54
1. Do you mean podcasts? No there isn't really much support for those.


Put simply, I was wondering how easy it would be to trick the iPod into categorising an mp3 in the radio section of the music browser (which presumably refers to podcasts), akin to the "VARIOUS" flag and compilations. A bare minimum implementation which does the necessary to achieve that would be cool.

2. I am against it. Anyway, if foo_pod didn't die off there wouldn't be any foo_dop


That is a great shame. If foo_pod hadn't died then we wouldn't need the retrograde step of a ground-up reimplementation.  I can only ask that if you ever abandon foo_dop or development tails off that you release the source in recognition of what inspired you to write it in the first place.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-01-04 02:40:09
Put simply, I was wondering how easy it would be to trick the iPod into categorising an mp3 in the radio section of the music browser (which presumably refers to podcasts), akin to the "VARIOUS" flag and compilations. A bare minimum implementation which does the necessary to achieve that would be cool.
The only radio menu I am aware of refers to actual radio (via the radio remote).

That is a great shame. If foo_pod hadn't died then we wouldn't need the retrograde step of a ground-up reimplementation.
A chunk of foo_pod was actually based upon some iPod database library with public source code. From my point of view I really don't think there was anything that I could have salvaged from foo_pod source, even if I had it. This stuff about foo_pod isn't actually that relevant, but anyway I don't plan to do any disappearing acts.

BTW: Anyone else with a 5G iPod and non-square artwork black bar problem?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: david_dl on 2008-01-04 10:37:39
foo_dop is working wonderfully on my iPod Classic. The only annoyance is that the harddrive spins up to load the cover-art every time I browse to a new iPod. I'd assume that this is an issue with the iPod itself, and not foo_dop (since storing all the art in RAM would leave no room for caching MP3s), however I can't be sure as I've never used this iPod with iTunes, except to update the firmware (1.0.3).

Hi again everybody!
........ But what I want is to be able to use my ipod as my main music database and have my HD just as a backup.  It is not problem at all in use Foobar2000 directly from my ipod, but there are two small things that I think are gonna make this more like my HD experience......


Don't. Your iPod will soon die. Ideally you should access the iPod harddrive as little as possible, ie. don't use a harddrive iPod as your USB drive. Of course, if you have a flash based iPod there's no problem, but I'd assume you have more than 16GB of music .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-01-04 11:00:38
It is not problem at all in use Foobar2000 directly from my ipod, but there are two small things that I think are gonna make this more like my HD experience......


Don't. Your iPod will soon die. Ideally you should access the iPod harddrive as little as possible, ie. don't use a harddrive iPod as your USB drive. Of course, if you have a flash based iPod there's no problem, but I'd assume you have more than 16GB of music .

Errr, what exactly makes you think that a hard drive in an iPod is more crash-prone when used as a hard drive than flash RAM? That's the first time I heard of this...

Constant use hasn't killed any of the hard drives in my PC lately, so why should the one in my iPod be any different? Not to mention that by setting foobar's "cache files up to" option high enough should make it access the hard drive once per song, just like using the iPod as a mobile player does...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2008-01-04 12:57:28
The only radio menu I am aware of refers to actual radio (via the radio remote).


OK, I understand (the radio option disappeared when I updated the firmware)... so I think what I really want is some sort of podcast support.

I do have a further suggestion regarding my gapless problem... I am currently going through the painful process of fixing all my mp3s (roughly half of my 76Gb of MP3s are affected and foobar is little help in identifying them!).

It occured to me, why are you parsing the "accurate stream data" from the file yourself? Surely it would be much faster to use the cached data that foobar can provide. In order to add files to the iPod, they must be in a playlist which means foobar has already parsed them. That data is available via the TAGZ engine and presumably there are internal hooks in the API as well. Not only would it circumvent problems like mine, but it should also be much faster...?

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ENC_DELAY    LAME proprietary MP3 enc_delay value (e.g. 576)
ENC_PADDING   LAME proprietary MP3 enc_padding value (e.g. 1536)
MP3_ACCURATE_LENGTH    mp3_accurate_length supported (LAME proprietary header)? (e.g. yes)


Also, according to this (http://www.id3.org/id3guide?highlight=%28multiple%29#head-9d00433c187d27c24005b1cd1796589945b5d0aa) multiple id3 tags are to be expected.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-01-04 13:49:00
I do have a further suggestion regarding my gapless problem... I am currently going through the painful process of fixing all my mp3s (roughly half of my 76Gb of MP3s are affected and foobar is little help in identifying them!).

It occured to me, why are you parsing the "accurate stream data" from the file yourself? Surely it would be much faster to use the cached data that foobar can provide. In order to add files to the iPod, they must be in a playlist which means foobar has already parsed them. That data is available via the TAGZ engine and presumably there are internal hooks in the API as well. Not only would it circumvent problems like mine, but it should also be much faster...?
It does use that data. However, the iPod also requires the audio stream byte offset of the 8th from last frame in the stream. I have to parse the audio data for that.

Also, according to this (http://www.id3.org/id3guide?highlight=%28multiple%29#head-9d00433c187d27c24005b1cd1796589945b5d0aa) multiple id3 tags are to be expected.
Well, that is kind of more applicable to radio (or other) streams I guess. I could fix this on my side, but I think you would be hard pressed to argue you intended your files to be like this, or that there is a legitimate reason to have two id3v2 tags separated by null padding only. The iPod itself apparently doesn't always play files with double id3v2 tags if you look over the thread history a bit. I think you should complain to the EAC author instead for the brain dead tagging.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2008-01-04 15:39:55
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Well, that is kind of more applicable to radio (or other) streams I guess. I could fix this on my side, but I think you would be hard pressed to argue you intended your files to be like this, or that there is a legitimate reason to have two id3v2 tags separated by null padding only. The iPod itself apparently doesn't always play files with double id3v2 tags if you look over the thread history a bit. I think you should complain to the EAC author instead for the brain dead tagging.


I don't want to be a dick about this as I do appreciate your efforts... but I disagree. This *is* a bug in your plugin, whether or not you want to fix it.

I opened the file I sent you in a hex editor myself. What I found was that there are two ID3v2 tags as you say... one ID3 v2.3 and one v2.4. This is entirely reasonable. ID3v2.4 is apparently only supported by a few software players, if you want id3v2.4 then it makes some sense to include ID3v2.3 as well for backwards compatibility (instead of ID3v1 for example). Having both tags is no more or less non-standard than having id3v1 and id3v2.3, for example. Not to mention that the spec says it is allowed. Do you still think it is worth me complaining to EAC about "brain dead tagging". There is "a legitimate reason to have two id3v2 tags separated by null padding only". (The null padding is for the ID3 tag itself, so that new entries can be added to the tag without a complete file rewrite)

Anyway, I know how configure EAC for new rips... that is not the issue. The issue is that "fixing" my existing tracks is nightmarishly difficult. Foobar will not tell you which variants of id3v2 exist in a given file (nor, more importantly let you create a playlist with just those files), only that one or more of them exists. So I have no trivial way to make a playlist with just those files in, such that your suggested workaround can be applied. If any one of the files in the playlist has only one ID3v2vX tag, then it will be thrown away. The only alternatives are all extremely laborious manual processes which would take far longer than it would to fix what I can only assume is a fairly trivial piece of code (not wishing to reignite this argument, but I would happily fix it myself if the source were open).

Even if I manage to "fix" all my files... the next sync will take forever as your plugin needlessly deletes compliant files and copies them back again, stressing the HDD and probably fragmenting the files. The alternative would be to flush the whole thing and start from scratch.

As you say, we already know that I'm not the only person that is susceptible to this problem. If the iPod has ever had troubles playing these files, it certainly doesn't for me on the current firmware. There is no trivial workaround to this and you are likely to be asked about it again.

[EDIT] I've found another reason why your workaround is poor. Foobar removes the first ID3v2 tag it finds, which is the one it updates. This means that any changes you've made to id3 tags in foobar since you originally ripped the track are lost, it returns to the original ripped state. This is especially poor as EAC/LAME don't support the %album artist% tag so these have to be applied manually. Now I have to go and fix a bunch of my mix CDs which I just broke
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-01-04 17:12:58
[quote name='Dunc-uk' post='539145' date='Jan 4 2008, 15:39']I opened the file I sent you in a hex editor myself. What I found was that there are two ID3v2 tags as you say... one ID3 v2.3 and one v2.4. This is entirely reasonable. ID3v2.4 is apparently only supported by a few software players, if you want id3v2.4 then it makes some sense to include ID3v2.3 as well for backwards compatibility (instead of ID3v1 for example).[/quote]Well, this is clearly not what you were trying to do. Did you try and load that file in some app that only supports id3v2.3 anyway?

[quote name='Dunc-uk' post='539145' date='Jan 4 2008, 15:39']Having both tags is no more or less non-standard than having id3v1 and id3v2.3, for example.[/quote]I think it is pretty different.

[quote name='Dunc-uk' post='539145' date='Jan 4 2008, 15:39']Not to mention that the spec says it is allowed.[/quote]This is what the id3v2.3 spec (http://id3lib.sourceforge.net/id3/id3v2.3.0.html#sec3.1) says:
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The ID3v2 tag header, which should be the first information in the file, is 10 bytes as follows:
It was the second tag in your file of course, so not the first information in the file.

This is what the 2.4 spec says:
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  The default location of an ID3v2 tag is prepended to the audio so
  that players can benefit from the information when the data is
  streamed. It is however possible to append the tag, or make a
  prepend/append combination. When deciding upon where an unembedded
  tag should be located, the following order of preference SHOULD be
  considered.
 
    1. Prepend the tag.

    2. Prepend a tag with all vital information and add a second tag at
        the end of the file, before tags from other tagging systems. The
        first tag is required to have a SEEK frame.
     
    3. Add a tag at the end of the file, before tags from other tagging
        systems.


I didn't see any explicit reference in the actual specs to multiple tags at the beginning of the file (maybe you could point me to those), and mixing v2.3 tags and v2.4 tags. What you linked was some developer guidelines, again not about mixing v2.3 tags and v2.4 tags but metadata changes in internet streams (and it also mentions a lack of distinct files which we have here).

[quote name='Dunc-uk' post='539145' date='Jan 4 2008, 15:39']Do you still think it is worth me complaining to EAC about "brain dead tagging".[/quote]Yes. You can set it to write v2.3 tags right? If you do that, does it still add a whole new tag?

[quote name='Dunc-uk' post='539145' date='Jan 4 2008, 15:39'](The null padding is for the ID3 tag itself, so that new entries can be added to the tag without a complete file rewrite)[/quote]Right. I didn't say otherwise.

[quote name='Dunc-uk' post='539145' date='Jan 4 2008, 15:39']The issue is that "fixing" my existing tracks is nightmarishly difficult. Foobar will not tell you which variants of id3v2 exist in a given file (nor, more importantly let you create a playlist with just those files), only that one or more of them exists. So I have no trivial way to make a playlist with just those files in, such that your suggested workaround can be applied. If any one of the files in the playlist has only one ID3v2vX tag, then it will be thrown away. The only alternatives are all extremely laborious manual processes which would take far longer than it would to fix what I can only assume is a fairly trivial piece of code [/quote]All you are proving is that it is entirely impractical (for you/a user) to work with files with multiple id3v2 tags at the beginning. I am pretty sure that method I mentioned to remove the first tag using foobar2000 isn't by design, just a result of it not expecting multiple id3v2 tags in this manner. Unticking ID3v2 and then opening the dialog again to see it ticked again should be a good indicator of that.

[quote name='Dunc-uk' post='539145' date='Jan 4 2008, 15:39'](not wishing to reignite this argument, but I would happily fix it myself if the source were open).[/quote]Try a hex editor and disassembler instead then? What did you really expect me to say to that?

[quote name='Dunc-uk' post='539145' date='Jan 4 2008, 15:39']Even if I manage to "fix" all my files... the next sync will take forever as your plugin needlessly deletes compliant files and copies them back again, stressing the HDD and probably fragmenting the files. [/quote]No it is not needless. You modify the file, it gets updated on the iPod. Metadata etc. *is* important information. One example of the iPod using it is that it reads lyrics directly from the id3v2 tag.

[quote name='Dunc-uk' post='539145' date='Jan 4 2008, 15:39']If the iPod has ever had troubles playing these files, it certainly doesn't for me on the current firmware.[/quote]As far as I am aware it was just an issue on the iPod Classic/Nano 3G. It didn't sound like you had one of those.

[quote name='Dunc-uk' post='539145' date='Jan 4 2008, 15:39'][EDIT] I've found another reason why your workaround is poor. Foobar removes the first ID3v2 tag it finds, which is the one it updates. This means that any changes you've made to id3 tags in foobar since you originally ripped the track are lost, it returns to the original ripped state.[/quote]Well, I knew that. I don't know why you blame my workaround though when you are just showing you don't have a practical way to manipulate that second tag.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2008-01-04 19:09:25
Quote
Yes. You can set it to write v2.3 tags right? If you do that, does it still add a whole new tag?


OK you got me there. If I untick the EAC box for ID3v2.4 then it still writes an extra ID3 tag. That certainly looks like an EAC bug.

However, your claim that it is non-standard and therefore not worth supporting is weak. The parts of the spec you quote don't explicitly deal with the possibility of multiple id3v2 tags, to claim that they imply this is disallowed is disingenuous, especially when the accompanying developers guide says that it should be supported.

Quote
It was the second tag in your file of course, so not the first information in the file.


Are you suggesting that reversed tags would work with your app (i.e. 2.3 before 2.4)?

iTunes copes with multiple tags perfectly well as does every mp3 player I've ever tried (including the audio player your plugin is based upon) - they are all perfectly capable of finding the beginning of the audio stream and determining gapless data. I think it would at least be worth noting in your FAQ that your plugin doesn't support files like these. I really don't understand why you are so against adding this to the list of things to do. It really can't be more than a few lines of code. I'm not demanding an instant fix / workaround, merely requesting that you add it to the TODO list.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to write an app that scans all my MP3s and spits out an m3u of tracks that suffer from this. Maybe with a view to adding a function to strip the tags too.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-01-04 19:25:25
Oh well, I guess I'll have to write an app that scans all my MP3s and spits out an m3u of tracks that suffer from this. Maybe with a view to adding a function to strip the tags too.

Why not just use MP3Tag (http://www.mp3tag.de/en/) to write all tags to a text file, have it remove all ID3v2 tags then re-apply them from the text file?

No need to re-invent the wheel, and TBH it's more comfortable than Foobar2000 when it comes to editing tags.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-01-04 20:50:06
OK you got me there. If I untick the EAC box for ID3v2.4 then it still writes an extra ID3 tag. That certainly looks like an EAC bug.
Next question: why doesn't it itself write both v2.4 and v2.3 tags before the audio data if you enable that option?

Quote
Are you suggesting that reversed tags would work with your app (i.e. 2.3 before 2.4)?
No. I am implying your file didn't comply with the statement in that quote. You were the one saying it is in the spec and referred to something that was not the spec and was actually out of context here anyway. Did you find me some software that itself writes both id3v2.4 and v2.3 tags at the beginning of the file? Don't you wonder why foobar2000 doesn't do that?

Quote
iTunes copes with multiple tags perfectly well as does every mp3 player I've ever tried (including the audio player your plugin is based upon) - they are all perfectly capable of finding the beginning of the audio stream and determining gapless data.
OK let me make it clear:
They don't skip the second id3v2 tag because it is an id3v2 tag. They skip it because they are written to skip junk data while seeking to the first MPEG frame. This is confirmed by the fact that iTunes *does not* play (or accept) the sample file someone else previously provided that the iPod also doesn't play. It is similar to yours except the second id3v2 tag is 23KB. Clearly iTunes/the iPod wasn't written to skip so much garbage data. I also made my own test file with similar results.

Similarly, you can replace the second id3v2 tag with some random bytes (that doesn't look like audio data) and foobar will still play the file. I just am not trying to write a complete audio player / MP3 decoder that covers every possible contingency.

I think it would at least be worth noting in your FAQ that your plugin doesn't support files like these.
I can change the error message. And I may write a FAQ entry on skipped files on the iPod.

I really don't understand why you are so against adding this to the list of things to do. It really can't be more than a few lines of code. I'm not demanding an instant fix / workaround, merely requesting that you add it to the TODO list.
Because in the time it takes to add it to the to-do list I could change my code (if I wanted to). I could have changed it several times over in the time I wrote this post as well. I just am not changing it because one person ripped all their files with screwed up settings/software/whatever. Before you refer to the other person I referred to, they were complaining about the file not playing on their iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2008-01-07 17:15:29
musicmusic, after thinking about this some more I see you are right... mp3s are not intended to have more than one id3v2 tag, I was wrong about that. The only way to achieve this is through an EAC bug.

As a matter of pragmatism it may prove useful to some people if you could put handling for garbage data in their mp3s rather than refuse to parse them... you could also spit out a warning so that people are aware, so they can fix them if they choose.


Oh well, I guess I'll have to write an app that scans all my MP3s and spits out an m3u of tracks that suffer from this. Maybe with a view to adding a function to strip the tags too.

Why not just use MP3Tag (http://www.mp3tag.de/en/) to write all tags to a text file, have it remove all ID3v2 tags then re-apply them from the text file?

No need to re-invent the wheel, and TBH it's more comfortable than Foobar2000 when it comes to editing tags.


I think I'd fixed most of my files anyway, but this should work to fix the rest. Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-01-08 01:30:09
As a matter of pragmatism it may prove useful to some people if you could put handling for garbage data in their mp3s rather than refuse to parse them...
Yes I will try and do that

you could also spit out a warning so that people are aware, so they can fix them if they choose.
Well, I can't really see a way that wouldn't seem out of context (it probably won't impact gapless playback).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2008-01-08 16:31:22
Yes I will try and do that


Thanks! I've a feature suggestion to bounce off you... not all of my tracks have gapless information included. I've no particular interest in having the majority of them play gaplessly anyway, but iTunes has an annoying habit of trying to estimate the gaps for these tracks whenever I use it to add a video or podcast, which I think screws up their album art in the process.

Would it be easy to have an option to add ineffective / null gapless data to the database for these tracks, so iTunes doesn't think it needs to do this? Alternatively, it looks like iTunes has some sort of "ignore gapless" flag it can add to the id3. I presume you have no intention of adding gapless guessing routines anyway, I certainly have little use for them.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: goatbiscuit11 on 2008-01-12 07:02:34
Excellent plugin! I love the way it interfaces seamlessly with foobars playlists. Goodbye bloated iTunes.

I want to report some strange behavior on my 6G ipod classic which I am not certain was intended.

If for example from a blank state (no mp3's) I synchronize my media library and playlists, it will copy the songs that are in the playlists over twice into two separate files! That is, it seems to first see an mp3 in the media library and copy it over, and then when it sees it again on a playlist it will copy it over a second time.
Browsing on the ipod, it will confirm that there are in fact duplicate songs of anything that was on a playlist.
If, after this occurs, I synchronize again with the media library and same playlists selected however, it will report that it has removed some files, and indeed they are the duplicate entries.

So it's not a huge deal, I just synchronize twice whenever I want to update the ipod. This seems to me like unintended behavior, so I thought I should report it.

edit - nevermind; upgraded from foobar 0.9.4.5 to 0.9.5 and that seemed to fix it! Nice plugin!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-01-12 23:32:58
Thanks! I've a feature suggestion to bounce off you... not all of my tracks have gapless information included. I've no particular interest in having the majority of them play gaplessly anyway, but iTunes has an annoying habit of trying to estimate the gaps for these tracks whenever I use it to add a video or podcast, which I think screws up their album art in the process.

Would it be easy to have an option to add ineffective / null gapless data to the database for these tracks, so iTunes doesn't think it needs to do this?
Well I would still need to seek through the file to calculate the value of the field I mentioned before. Basically, I don't think it is worth it, because I believe iTunes will still decide to 'correct' all the metadata/artwork when you try to add a file.

Excellent plugin! I love the way it interfaces seamlessly with foobars playlists. Goodbye bloated iTunes.

I want to report some strange behavior on my 6G ipod classic which I am not certain was intended.

If for example from a blank state (no mp3's) I synchronize my media library and playlists, it will copy the songs that are in the playlists over twice into two separate files! That is, it seems to first see an mp3 in the media library and copy it over, and then when it sees it again on a playlist it will copy it over a second time.
Browsing on the ipod, it will confirm that there are in fact duplicate songs of anything that was on a playlist.
If, after this occurs, I synchronize again with the media library and same playlists selected however, it will report that it has removed some files, and indeed they are the duplicate entries.

So it's not a huge deal, I just synchronize twice whenever I want to update the ipod. This seems to me like unintended behavior, so I thought I should report it.

edit - nevermind; upgraded from foobar 0.9.4.5 to 0.9.5 and that seemed to fix it! Nice plugin!
Hi,
Yes of course you are right it is not meant to behave like that. I found something that may cause that to not work correctly, I'll change that for next build so it should work reliably then.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: al98 on 2008-01-14 06:49:55
Firstly, this works perfect with my ipod classic 160gb.

There is only one thing I would like is to be able to see the tracks being transferred instead of it saying copying files, so I can see how long its going to take to finish.

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2008-01-14 20:08:08
[Well I would still need to seek through the file to calculate the value of the field I mentioned before. Basically, I don't think it is worth it, because I believe iTunes will still decide to 'correct' all the metadata/artwork when you try to add a file.


Hmm, I don't think I explained very well... when your plugin decides that a track has no gapless data, it seems to leave the database in a state which makes iTunes think it still needs to scan the track itself.

For example, when I first loaded up my iPod classic, I forgot to tick the gapless tick box in foobar. When I next used iTunes, it started scanning all 11,000 tracks one by one (which I cancelled).

I later manually used the plugin "Determine gapless information" and it found gapless info for about half my tracks. However, next time I used iTunes to load a video, it started scanning again... only this time it only had about 5,000 tracks to scan, presumably because the others had already been updated by your plugin. If all my tracks had gapless info, iTunes would not have tried to do anything as your plugin would have correctly added gapless data for every track. Having now fixed all of my files with the id3 problem and resynced, iTunes now thinks I've got about 1000 tracks that need scanning.

So all I would like is an option for the plugin - having already scanned the tracks itself - to mark in the database those tracks that definitely have no gapless data, in such a way that iTunes doesn't try to re-scan them. Not being familiar with the iPod database, I don't know if this is possible.

On a loosely related note, it would seem that "SharePod" does something to the iPod database that makes your plugin think it is corrupt (I've been using this to add videos, to get around the iTunes problems). Mine is a Classic 160Gb.

Whatever it does, iTunes doesn't mind and seems to fix it so your plugin works with it again... I've no idea if this is a bug in SharePod or your plugin, but I seem to remember reading earlier in the thread someone else having this problem with another iTunes style app.

SharePod website (http://www.sturm.net.nz/website.php?Section=Home&Page=HomePage)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2008-01-15 01:36:34
Some (very) late replies:
Now, a couple questions:
Currently there's no support for doing replaygain when autoconverting files.  Is this something you have planned at all?  Currently I'm converting manually and replaygain scanning before sending to iPod, but it would be great if it could be fixed to do it for me.
I also want that feature, however the problem is the lack of any proper replaygain API. I can essentially run the menu command on my side to do the scan, but that will possibly trigger popup dialogs (as well as secondary progress dialogs though there are already a few of those) and some other inefficiencies. The main issue is those user prompts that may appear though.

The good news is that if you let foo_dop convert the files itself, and manually replaygain scan the copies on your iPod those files will not be recopied on next sync (unless the local copy was modified). You can use the 'Update metadata in ipod library' command to update the soundcheck values in the database after the manual replaygain scan. (Of course if you're regularly sending files that need to be converted it's a bit tedious)

Tedious, and there's the problem of figuring out which files need to be scanned.  I can't think of any way in foobar to sort by replaygain.  In an average week I probably send a few hundred tracks to my iPod with about half being mp3 and the other half being a mix of flac, tak, and ogg.  Even more tedious than having to manually scan the files and the update metadata is having to first check every file sent to see whether it needs to be scanned.  Something as simple as an optional dialog box that would pop up after a send operation and list which files were converted would make the process easier.  Sort of the opposite of the transcode warning someone wanted earlier, I want to know what was converted once the job is done so I can do some followup, not before.  Currently I leave covnersion off so that the files will error out, then convert them to a temp dir, replaygain scan, and send in a second batch.

Second, there's an issue that's been bugging me for a while with smart playlists and the "load library and playlists" menu option.  I use a lot of smart playlists that are based off time - "50 most played songs in the last 1 month", "50 most played songs in the last 3 months", "songs played in the last 7 days", etc.  When I load the playlists in foobar they seem to be a cached version.  Judging from the contents I think it's from the last time I actually used iTunes to send something to my iPod.  When using the playlists on my iPod they all work correctly, but in foobar they just seem to be some old cached copy instead of being calculated.  Is there something I'm doing wrong, is it a bug, or is it just not supported?
It's a bit of a quirk. Basically, for 'Live-updating' smart playlist the iPod dynamically generates content for the playlist (which you only see on your iPod). The smart playlists also have associated 'static' items which I guess are only of use (on the ipod itself) with 'Live-updating' disabled. iTunes updates those static entries whenever you use it (by basically applying the smart playlist rules to the ipod library) but foo_dop does not (I think you can imagine writing handlers to apply all of those specific rules would be pretty complicated)

Ah.  Weird, but that does explain the problem.  It's mainly an issue for me because I use my ipod as a portable music hard drive 8+ hours a day at work.  None of my playlists work there.  I can see your point about applying all the rules.  It doesn't feel like much to me since all my smart playlists are based off number of plays, date added, and/or date last played, but I realize that there's a ridiculous amount of options for smart playlists.  Thanks for the reply.

1. It's currently unsorted: it is just the order they are in the iPod database. In general that is the order they were added to the iPod. I use this so I may add an option to control the sorting.

Is there any chance of getting some options for controlling the order that they're sent?  This is related to my smart playlists and to using it as a hard drive full of music while at work.  In all the smart playlists that are based solely off time and not off number of plays, the songs are displayed in the order they were added to the database.  The plugin seems to be very fickle as to what order it sends them in, depending on whether the album is VA or not and how I click on them in the playlist for sending.  Sometimes I get everything in the same order as they were in my playlist, sometimes I get completely jumbled, sometimes I get some albums completely in order with others mixed together, etc etc.  It makes browsing those playlists very interesting.  Sorting by album before sending, or simply always sending in the same order as they currently are in the playlist would make me much happier.

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Also, for the people with the dual ID3 problems, wouldn't "select all->right click->Tagging->MP3 tag types->checking APEv2 and unchecking everything else->applying->going back in and doing it again to make sure all ID3v2 tags are gone->applying->going back in and checking Id3v2 and unchecking everything else" take care of it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-01-16 00:21:07
Hmm, I don't think I explained very well... when your plugin decides that a track has no gapless data, it seems to leave the database in a state which makes iTunes think it still needs to scan the track itself.

[...]

So all I would like is an option for the plugin - having already scanned the tracks itself - to mark in the database those tracks that definitely have no gapless data, in such a way that iTunes doesn't try to re-scan them. Not being familiar with the iPod database, I don't know if this is possible.

I don't think any such flag to indicate a file has been scanned for gapless data and it wasn't fond exists in the database (I looked and didn't find any). Bear in mind that iTunes likes to estimate the data. So I reckon it probably just tries to fill missing data.

I don't know if it helps you, but I finally managed to put all the pieces together to calculate the gapless data for Nero MP4 (AAC) files (recent Nero encoders only). So they will get gapless data from next version of foo_dop as well.

On a loosely related note, it would seem that "SharePod" does something to the iPod database that makes your plugin think it is corrupt (I've been using this to add videos, to get around the iTunes problems). Mine is a Classic 160Gb.

Whatever it does, iTunes doesn't mind and seems to fix it so your plugin works with it again... I've no idea if this is a bug in SharePod or your plugin, but I seem to remember reading earlier in the thread someone else having this problem with another iTunes style app.

SharePod website (http://www.sturm.net.nz/website.php?Section=Home&Page=HomePage)
What is the error message? If it is 'Unsupported format or corrupted file' it is probably some incorrect size field or something, foo_dop checks those very strictly whereas iTunes is probably a bit more liberal there. Is there something you dislike about using foo_dop for videos?

Tedious, and there's the problem of figuring out which files need to be scanned.  I can't think of any way in foobar to sort by replaygain.  In an average week I probably send a few hundred tracks to my iPod with about half being mp3 and the other half being a mix of flac, tak, and ogg.  Even more tedious than having to manually scan the files and the update metadata is having to first check every file sent to see whether it needs to be scanned.  Something as simple as an optional dialog box that would pop up after a send operation and list which files were converted would make the process easier.  Sort of the opposite of the transcode warning someone wanted earlier, I want to know what was converted once the job is done so I can do some followup, not before.  Currently I leave covnersion off so that the files will error out, then convert them to a temp dir, replaygain scan, and send in a second batch.
The ReplayGain Scanner skips files with existing replaygain data. Anyway, I can't automate this at all (apart from the possible user prompts during the scan I don't seems to have anyway of knowing when the scan is finished.) So yes, the best I can do is ask to send the converted files to a playlist so you can manually scan and reload info on them.

Is there any chance of getting some options for controlling the order that they're sent?  This is related to my smart playlists and to using it as a hard drive full of music while at work.  In all the smart playlists that are based solely off time and not off number of plays, the songs are displayed in the order they were added to the database.  The plugin seems to be very fickle as to what order it sends them in, depending on whether the album is VA or not and how I click on them in the playlist for sending.  Sometimes I get everything in the same order as they were in my playlist, sometimes I get completely jumbled, sometimes I get some albums completely in order with others mixed together, etc etc.  It makes browsing those playlists very interesting.  Sorting by album before sending, or simply always sending in the same order as they currently are in the playlist would make me much happier.
Do you mean you are sorting your smart playlists by date added to your iPod? I see how that may cause some issues. The order they are added was just a result of my handling for duplicate items, but it should be possible to change it back to the order the items are received (order in playlist etc.) (edit: seems a bit more complicated than I thought but I'll put it on my todo)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bojan on 2008-01-16 13:05:18
Sorry if this was covered before, I did do a quick search.

Is it possible to have the albums in the iPod library sorted first by date and then by name, or you don't have any control over this?

For example, Music -> Artists -> Led Zeppelin gives me:
And I would like go get:
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2008-01-16 16:07:35
I don't think any such flag to indicate a file has been scanned for gapless data and it wasn't fond exists in the database (I looked and didn't find any). Bear in mind that iTunes likes to estimate the data. So I reckon it probably just tries to fill missing data.


Yes, I expect that iTunes deduced the scanned status implicitly... if it is marked has having "accurate" or "estimated" gapless info then by definition it has been scanned. Here is where a workaround may be possible... I assume foo_dop doesn't use the "estimated" option for gapless as it has no mechanism for estimating gapless info (and I don't think anybody wants one). I presume iTunes estimates gapless info by just scanning for silence at the beginning and end of the track. Of course, some tracks may not have any silence at all (the track genuinely ends at the end of an MPEG frame) and so iTunes will add estimated gapless data to this effect.

What foo_dop could do is mark all tracks with no accurate data as having "estimated" gapless data that equates to "no lead in, no lead out". The iPod playback of the file would be completely unaffected but iTunes would think the file had been scanned already and would not try to rescan.

I don't know if it helps you, but I finally managed to put all the pieces together to calculate the gapless data for Nero MP4 (AAC) files (recent Nero encoders only). So they will get gapless data from next version of foo_dop as well.


Not me personally as I don't have any AAC files, but I'm sure other people will be. Good work!

What is the error message? If it is 'Unsupported format or corrupted file' it is probably some incorrect size field or something, foo_dop checks those very strictly whereas iTunes is probably a bit more liberal there. Is there something you dislike about using foo_dop for videos?


Yes I think it was that message... I only used this app as it offered more flexibility over how to classify videos (i.e. as Music Video, TV Show, Film etc.). Some of the other apps (and iTunes) allow you to edit video specific metadata about the show, like episode number, series etc. I've nothing against using foo_dop, but as foobar isn't much of a video handler itself I wasn't expecting much in that regard from foo_dop.

Had you considered a dedicated video handling dialogue, for adding video and editing the database metadata directly? Just a thought.

[edit] Oh wow, how did I never spot the video specific metadata fields in your FAQ? Doh!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2008-01-17 00:37:10
OK, I have a feature request. I've fallen over a bug / feature of the new iPod classic, whereby it orders episodes in a TV series according to the "release date" and not the episode number. See:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6298710 (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6298710)

Could we get a field mapping for this database field? Or is there one already?

[edit] on the other hand it is widely being reported as a bug in the latest firmware, hopefully Apple will fix it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2008-01-17 17:06:41

Is there any chance of getting some options for controlling the order that they're sent?  This is related to my smart playlists and to using it as a hard drive full of music while at work.  In all the smart playlists that are based solely off time and not off number of plays, the songs are displayed in the order they were added to the database.  The plugin seems to be very fickle as to what order it sends them in, depending on whether the album is VA or not and how I click on them in the playlist for sending.  Sometimes I get everything in the same order as they were in my playlist, sometimes I get completely jumbled, sometimes I get some albums completely in order with others mixed together, etc etc.  It makes browsing those playlists very interesting.  Sorting by album before sending, or simply always sending in the same order as they currently are in the playlist would make me much happier.
Do you mean you are sorting your smart playlists by date added to your iPod? I see how that may cause some issues. The order they are added was just a result of my handling for duplicate items, but it should be possible to change it back to the order the items are received (order in playlist etc.) (edit: seems a bit more complicated than I thought but I'll put it on my todo)

I'm not explicitly sorting by that, but it's the criteria for being added to most of my smart playlists.  Most of them are of the type "Date added < [1|7|30] days" or "Last played < [1|2|7] days"  Anything based off number of plays is sorted by that and is easy enough to browse that way, but all of the time based ones appear to be sorted by when they were added onto the iPod.  So when I use those playlists on my iPod, browsing gets interesting.  Also when I do a load library in foobar2000 and play songs off my ipod as an external hard drive, I generally just skip to the bottom of the list and listen to the most recently added stuff.  In foobar it's easy enough to re-sort the albums that are jumbled up, but on the iPod itself it's a pain.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-01-17 23:49:04
Sorry if this was covered before, I did do a quick search.

Is it possible to have the albums in the iPod library sorted first by date and then by name, or you don't have any control over this?
I do have control over this. However, messing with the sort order can get complicated, mainly due to issues with the 5G iPod. If they added support for all of the sort fields in the last firmware update for the 5G then it would make my life easier. I am not sure if they did though. It's easy to check though if you have a 5G iPod: Hold Ctrl whilst clicking the 'View iPod device information' button in foo_dop prefs. Check if there is an entry as follows:
Code: [Select]
<key>SortFieldsSupported</key>
<true/>


Yes, I expect that iTunes deduced the scanned status implicitly... if it is marked has having "accurate" or "estimated" gapless info then by definition it has been scanned. Here is where a workaround may be possible... I assume foo_dop doesn't use the "estimated" option for gapless as it has no mechanism for estimating gapless info (and I don't think anybody wants one). I presume iTunes estimates gapless info by just scanning for silence at the beginning and end of the track. Of course, some tracks may not have any silence at all (the track genuinely ends at the end of an MPEG frame) and so iTunes will add estimated gapless data to this effect.

What foo_dop could do is mark all tracks with no accurate data as having "estimated" gapless data that equates to "no lead in, no lead out". The iPod playback of the file would be completely unaffected but iTunes would think the file had been scanned already and would not try to rescan.

Ignoring other concerns, setting the track's gapless data as 'estimated' doesn't seem to stop iTunes from rescanning it.

Yes I think it was that message... I only used this app as it offered more flexibility over how to classify videos (i.e. as Music Video, TV Show, Film etc.). Some of the other apps (and iTunes) allow you to edit video specific metadata about the show, like episode number, series etc. I've nothing against using foo_dop, but as foobar isn't much of a video handler itself I wasn't expecting much in that regard from foo_dop.

Had you considered a dedicated video handling dialogue, for adding video and editing the database metadata directly? Just a thought.

[edit] Oh wow, how did I never spot the video specific metadata fields in your FAQ? Doh!
Hmm yes as you noticed it is possible to control those through metadata  I did realise already that a specific tagging dialog for those fields is kinda needed, but I put it off as just the underlying functionality is good enough, at least for a TEST version anyway  As a compromise you could use Quick/Mass Tagger presets.

OK, I have a feature request. I've fallen over a bug / feature of the new iPod classic, whereby it orders episodes in a TV series according to the "release date" and not the episode number. See:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6298710 (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6298710)

Could we get a field mapping for this database field? Or is there one already?

[edit] on the other hand it is widely being reported as a bug in the latest firmware, hopefully Apple will fix it.
Hmm no remapping but there are metadata fields for them. There are various sort tables for the TV shows so not sure if the Classic is not using them or they are the problem or what... iTunes 7.6 was released very close to the recent firmware update. I'll try and check it out anyway.

I'm not explicitly sorting by that, but it's the criteria for being added to most of my smart playlists.  Most of them are of the type "Date added < [1|7|30] days" or "Last played < [1|2|7] days"  Anything based off number of plays is sorted by that and is easy enough to browse that way, but all of the time based ones appear to be sorted by when they were added onto the iPod.  So when I use those playlists on my iPod, browsing gets interesting.  Also when I do a load library in foobar2000 and play songs off my ipod as an external hard drive, I generally just skip to the bottom of the list and listen to the most recently added stuff.  In foobar it's easy enough to re-sort the albums that are jumbled up, but on the iPod itself it's a pain.
OK. I'm looking into changing it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2008-01-18 00:34:41
Ignoring other concerns, setting the track's gapless data as 'estimated' doesn't seem to stop iTunes from rescanning it.


Hmm, that is odd... somehow iTunes does know whether it has personally scanned a track. It also does avoid rescanning tracks that foo_dop has marked as having accurate data. It is a mystery. 

As a compromise you could use Quick/Mass Tagger presets.


Actually, I've now set up several presets and the masstagger working fairly well for me... a dialogue would be nice, but I do appreciate this is still in beta phase.

Hmm no remapping but there are metadata fields for them. There are various sort tables for the TV shows so not sure if the Classic is not using them or they are the problem or what... iTunes 7.6 was released very close to the recent firmware update. I'll try and check it out anyway.


Down the bottom of that thread I linked, it is mentioned that the Classic sorts by release date. I managed to get episodes sorted properly using a combination of foo_dop/Foobar and iTunes. I used the masstagger to format the Date field in the form YYYY-MM-%tracknumber% with an arbitrary year and month. Upon updating the metadata in the database, the files were still arranged weirdly.

I then clicked "Get Info" on the first 3 (of 13) files in iTunes. The next time I checked the episode sorting on the iPod, those three files had release dates and were listed in order (last as it happens). So I went back to iTunes and clicked "Get Info" on each file in turn (doing them all at once doesn't work). Now they're all in the correct order, listed and sorted by my faked release date. Looks like iTunes is using some mystery field.

[UPDATE] Never mind, the Classic 1.1 firmware fixes the episode sorting problem.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bojan on 2008-01-18 00:54:24
Quote
I do have control over this. However, messing with the sort order can get complicated, mainly due to issues with the 5G iPod. If they added support for all of the sort fields in the last firmware update for the 5G then it would make my life easier. I am not sure if they did though. It's easy to check though if you have a 5G iPod: Hold Ctrl whilst clicking the 'View iPod device information' button in foo_dop prefs. Check if there is an entry as follows:
iPod Classic here, maybe someone else can help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-01-18 01:01:01
Hmm, that is odd... somehow iTunes does know whether it has personally scanned a track. It also does avoid rescanning tracks that foo_dop has marked as having accurate data. It is a mystery.
Well, it is probably just looking at the actual data (checking if the encoder delay/padding is set to null/zero). The 'estimated'/'accurate' thing is just observed values of some field - what that field is actually for who knows.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2008-01-18 07:39:44
Well, it is probably just looking at the actual data (checking if the encoder delay/padding is set to null/zero).


But what if iTunes scans a file to estimate gapless which genuinely has no lead-in or lead-out? Does it perpetually rescan it every time you fire it up?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-01-21 00:48:03
Awesome plugin man!!!

I read through quite a bit of the topic, but I could not find what I was looking for, so please don't flame me for it.

Is there any way to change the way the iPod sorts?
For instance: A-Z now comes before 0-9. Is there any way of reversing this with your plugin?
Last time I heard, iTunes is what sorts the music in this manner, not the firmware of the iPod, so could your program help change this?

Cheers.

EDIT: Found it on the FAQ page that sorting is on the to-do-list. Cool.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: flowevd on 2008-01-21 19:37:20
hello

this plugin is a TREAT! 

I'm coming to grips with the chimera fb2k.ipod but i'm confused about one thing.

it's probably quite simple but i cannot find its answer here on the thread. likely it's too simple.

some of my mp3s appear incorrectly tagged in my ipod classic. when i correct them in 2k everything seems alright. when i reload the media library they retain their correctness. however, when i eject the ipod and whizz through to the files in question they are still wrongly tagged.

I suppose this is something to do with multiple tags. i know i have managed to fix this before by clicking on all kinds of 'metadata' buttons and so on in fb2k but my random approach left me none the wiser as to what was actually going on. how can i fix my mistags?

sorry if this q has already come up.

also: has there ever been a newbie-faq for foo_dop published?

thanks for any help.

flowevd

--
"Oh why do there have to be people like Frank?"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-01-22 00:18:25
But what if iTunes scans a file to estimate gapless which genuinely has no lead-in or lead-out? Does it perpetually rescan it every time you fire it up?
Is there an MP3 or AAC encoder with no encoder delay?
Anyway, seems like iTunes uses all three fields to decide whether to rescan or not. I don't know the rules: this isn't going to happen. Sorry.

Awesome plugin man!!!

I read through quite a bit of the topic, but I could not find what I was looking for, so please don't flame me for it.

Is there any way to change the way the iPod sorts?
For instance: A-Z now comes before 0-9. Is there any way of reversing this with your plugin?
Last time I heard, iTunes is what sorts the music in this manner, not the firmware of the iPod, so could your program help change this?
foo_dop does sort like that by default. However it causes some minor glitches on Classic/Nano 3G iPods. If you want foo_dop to regenerate the sort tables use the 'Rewrite iPod database' command.

hello

this plugin is a TREAT! 

I'm coming to grips with the chimera fb2k.ipod but i'm confused about one thing.

it's probably quite simple but i cannot find its answer here on the thread. likely it's too simple.

some of my mp3s appear incorrectly tagged in my ipod classic. when i correct them in 2k everything seems alright. when i reload the media library they retain their correctness. however, when i eject the ipod and whizz through to the files in question they are still wrongly tagged.

I suppose this is something to do with multiple tags. i know i have managed to fix this before by clicking on all kinds of 'metadata' buttons and so on in fb2k but my random approach left me none the wiser as to what was actually going on. how can i fix my mistags?
If you retagged the copy of the files that is on your iPod, you need to do a 'update metadata in iPod library' in the contextmenu. If you modified the tags on the copies on your computer you will need to resend them.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kalmark on 2008-01-23 07:53:16
And one other thing, which might not even be a problem your plugin caused: I wanted to check out Floola (http://www.floola.com) for iPod management, and when I started it up, it complained that my iPod is not set up correctly (after using it managed by foo_dop for weeks), and if I want Floola to set it up for me. I did not allow this, of course, but my iPod's DB was reset nevertheless (now this is probably a Floola bug). Luckily, foo_dop managed to rewrite the DB, and all's well now. Do you have an idea why Floola, and sometimes iTunes complains about my iPod Classic not even being initialised for use?
iTunes shouldn't complain if you've just been using foo_dop. But other 3rd party apps may cause issues. The rewrite command just reads (parses) the database and writes it out again. So if that fixed it floola must have written a bad db (iTunes/iPod perform some additional security checks when reading the DB which foo_dop doesn't care about).
Just an FYI: Floola now works correctly with iPod Classic and the DB generated by foo_dop. It was really their fault.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-01-25 04:12:13
foo_dop does sort like that by default. However it causes some minor glitches on Classic/Nano 3G iPods. If you want foo_dop to regenerate the sort tables use the 'Rewrite iPod database' command.


Ahh, thanks for that musicmusic.
This is a great plugin! Beats using slow old iTunes!
Any ideas as to when these sorting changes on your to-do-list will be accomplished?

Also, should this plugin, while writing the database, do away with any gapless info.
It seems to me (may be something else, but just thought I'd ask the question) that foo_dop isn't passing along the info to the iPod that a certain album is gapless.
Any ideas????
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2008-01-25 18:28:31
Also, should this plugin, while writing the database, do away with any gapless info.
It seems to me (may be something else, but just thought I'd ask the question) that foo_dop isn't passing along the info to the iPod that a certain album is gapless.
Any ideas????


Did you tick "determine gapless playback" in the foo_dop settings?

See: Tools->iPod manager->Tools
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2008-01-27 14:30:20
Another small request:
Currently if you try to send tracks from a single file mp3+cue to your ipod you'll get a message saying "Failed to add file to iPod: Files with chapters are not currently supported by foo_dop"  But if you send a flac/ogg/tak/etc file that needs to be converted, it'll split and convert that without any problems.  I know I can just use a cue splitter and do it manually, but would it be possible to get an option to have foo_dop just go ahead and do a split+convert on it like it does with unsupported formats?  For use on my iPod I really don't care about transcoding quality loss.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2008-02-06 08:47:31
I've noticed another unusual bug... for some reason, when I scroll through the artists on my iPod and it pops up the alphabet selector with "A", "B" etc. on the screen, the alphabet stops with F... as if everything passed F begins with that letter.

Rewriting the iPod database doesn't seem to fix it.

Also, when I use "On the go" playlists after a database rewrite by foo_dop the playlist gets archived as "On the go 1" and a new empty OTG playlist is left. Is this fault of the iPod or foo_dop?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: CeeBee on 2008-02-07 14:52:07
I have a problem sending or syncing files to my iPod, using this component.

By using fb2k and neroAacEnc, I can convert all my .flac files to .m4a files offline just OK, and then send this preconverted library to my iPod 2G Nano, using foo_dop. I'd like to do this more elegantly, by using the "conversion on the fly" feature of foo_dop, and avoid a separate FLAC-->AAC conversion (and having essentially two libraries of the same music on my hard disk) altogether.

In Preferences / Tools / iPod Manager, I use the options

- Convert files which are in a format not supported by the iPod
- Command: C:\path\to\neroAacEnc -ignorelength -q 0.5 -if - -of %d
- Extension: m4a

But whenever I select a song and choose with the right mouse button "iPod/Send to iPod" or "iPod/Sync with iPod", I get an error message

"Failed to add file to iPod: Conversion failed - Unexpected process exit code 00000001h"

I seem to get the same error message whichever way I try to change the command line parameters.
What am I missing here? Something obvious, obviously. I'm sorry if this has come up in the thread already, but I just couldn't go through all 33 pages of it...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-07 23:33:10
I tried your command here, with version 1.1.34.2 of the Nero encoder, and it worked OK.

It should be obvious as to whether it is actually encoding or not, I would suspect not.

If there is a space in the path of the encoder, make sure you enclose the path in quotes (i.e. "C:\path\to\neroAacEnc" -ignorelength -q 0.5 -if - -of %d) Though it does seem to be executing something.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ipse on 2008-02-07 23:38:42
Is there any plans to support audiobooks in m4b format?
It would be really great feature.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2008-02-07 23:51:52
Is there any plans to support audiobooks in m4b format?
It would be really great feature.
That is really more of an issue with fb2k not recognizing the m4b extension, and not foo_dop. You may want to pose your question to Peter in the fb2k support forum.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-08 19:47:59
Any ideas as to when these sorting changes on your to-do-list will be accomplished?
Which changes? I'm not sure what FAQ you read..

Also, should this plugin, while writing the database, do away with any gapless info.
It seems to me (may be something else, but just thought I'd ask the question) that foo_dop isn't passing along the info to the iPod that a certain album is gapless.
Any ideas????
Nope. Not sure what exactly you are referring too... If it's that "Part of a gapless album" thing, that just does something like disable crossfading when playing back in iTunes.

Another small request:
Currently if you try to send tracks from a single file mp3+cue to your ipod you'll get a message saying "Failed to add file to iPod: Files with chapters are not currently supported by foo_dop"  But if you send a flac/ogg/tak/etc file that needs to be converted, it'll split and convert that without any problems.  I know I can just use a cue splitter and do it manually, but would it be possible to get an option to have foo_dop just go ahead and do a split+convert on it like it does with unsupported formats?  For use on my iPod I really don't care about transcoding quality loss.
Maybe as an option on the advanced prefs page, otherwise it would be too unexpected.

I've noticed another unusual bug... for some reason, when I scroll through the artists on my iPod and it pops up the alphabet selector with "A", "B" etc. on the screen, the alphabet stops with F... as if everything passed F begins with that letter.
There's probably something different about one of the artists around the Fs (starting with a space, some symbol, "The ", "A " etc.)

Also, when I use "On the go" playlists after a database rewrite by foo_dop the playlist gets archived as "On the go 1" and a new empty OTG playlist is left. Is this fault of the iPod or foo_dop?
It's complicated. It's the same behaviour as iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-10 01:02:59
0.5.4 TEST released. This version is experimental, the main reason is I made some changes to artwork handling  which need testing on non-current iPod models (especially non-square artwork). Please see changelog for more info on changes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: radecke on 2008-02-10 01:46:59
cool updates. i'll test the new version as soon as i get a chance.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: JoyO on 2008-02-10 08:41:05
Here on 3G Nano the non-square artwork still have black bars, this looks like:
blackbar
picpicpic
picpicpic
picpicpic
blackbar
greybar

If I remember correctly, previously there wasn't that thin grey bar on bottom. But I'm glad you working on that - its the most irritating bug at the moment, almost impossible to get square artworks for every album.
That duplicate bug also happened to me some time ago so good that its gone too.
Thanks for sorting and OTG fix
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: silkcut on 2008-02-10 19:37:58
*edit* nevermind...answered my own question.

thanks for this awesome plugin!!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-10 23:01:52
greybar

Do you mean the reflection?

Yeh, non-square artwork needs to be cropped for 6G/Nano 3G, it will be fixed soon.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2008-02-11 05:47:03
I just tried out 0.5.4TEST on my 160gb Classic and got this "failed to add album art for track: gdiplus error"

(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8744/errorwe6.th.png) (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=errorwe6.png)

EDIT: i have just finished testing with 0.5.3 and i didn't receive that gdiplus error.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: JoyO on 2008-02-11 08:00:55
greybar

Do you mean the reflection?


After closer looking it looks like its reflection. Didnt notice first because its thin.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-11 10:52:20
I just tried out 0.5.4TEST on my 160gb Classic and got this "failed to add album art for track: gdiplus error"

Do you get that for all artwork or just some? If some, can you tell me the dimensions of one of the images and/or upload it?

If it's all, I'll test on XP in case it only triggers with the older version of gdiplus.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: GoWaN on 2008-02-11 12:27:01
First of all thanks for this great plugin. Next I have one question about it. I am using one smart playlist (not sure if that was the name) made with iTunes back in the day that is  filled with tracks not played yet, so when it gets played in full length it disappears from the list. Could it be that when I use the option to send played tracks to audioscrobbler plugin it resets the played info and mess with the smart playlist?.
Sorry for my lack of English skills and thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-11 14:03:26
No, I don't think that should cause that in itself. Can you describe the behaviour you are seeing in more detail? Is your smart playlist rule "play count is zero" ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ChangFest on 2008-02-11 14:19:21
From 0.5.4 TEST Changelog:
Quote
added support for gapless data from Nero MP4 (AAC) files from recent Nero encoders :-)

I've been using this plugin for quite some time now and have been waiting for gapless support for Nero's AAC. I haven't really tested this yet, but thank you in advance for this. I truly appreciate the work you've put into this plugin musicmusic!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: GoWaN on 2008-02-11 16:05:07
No, I don't think that should cause that in itself. Can you describe the behaviour you are seeing in more detail? Is your smart playlist rule "play count is zero" ?

Well the thing is that I'm not quite sure because the playlist is limited to 25 items and I made it a long time ago (since I use your plugin  ), I'll investigate a bit more but I could be wrong so ignore this by now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-11 16:23:47
0.5.5 TEST is now released. This now reads the required artwork formats directly from the iPod at run-time, and as a results obeys requests to crop images etc. So things should be much nicer on the Classic/Nano 3G. Artwork may also now work on 4G Photo/Color iPods over firewire, not 100% sure though. The drawback is that on XP this requires administrative privileges (Vista doesn't, don't ask me why). If there is any problem reading this data from the iPod, it will be logged in the Console, so please check that the first time you connect your iPod.

From 0.5.4 TEST Changelog:
Quote
added support for gapless data from Nero MP4 (AAC) files from recent Nero encoders :-)

I've been using this plugin for quite some time now and have been waiting for gapless support for Nero's AAC. I haven't really tested this yet, but thank you in advance for this. I truly appreciate the work you've put into this plugin musicmusic!

Thanks! And you're welcome

There shouldn't be any problems there really, I tested and verified everything a fair bit. The actual encoder delay / padding values are now displayed in the browse iPod dialog now, in case of any problems. If you are gapless scanning tracks already on the iPod, I did observe some odd behaviour until the iPod was restarted.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bl@ck_warrior on 2008-02-11 17:57:48
Do you think you could implement the support for ipod Touch sometime, or it is really impossible ?

Since the release of the new ipod touch 32go, I'm really interested in that model, but I don't want to use iTunes
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2008-02-11 18:58:57
Do you get that for all artwork or just some? If some, can you tell me the dimensions of one of the images and/or upload it?

If it's all, I'll test on XP in case it only triggers with the older version of gdiplus.
out of 4000 odd songs i transfered to my ipod (this was all done in one transfer) only 3 of them had this error, it's weird because the other songs in the same album using the same cover art didn't get this error.

I'll give your v0.5.5 a run through tonight with the same files and cover art, if the problem happens again i'll post the cover art sizes for the ones with errors
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: JoyO on 2008-02-11 19:04:13
0.5.5 TEST is now released. This now reads the required artwork formats directly from the iPod at run-time, and as a results obeys requests to crop images etc. So things should be much nicer on the Classic/Nano 3G.

Thank you, works great
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-11 19:16:38
Do you think you could implement the support for ipod Touch sometime, or it is really impossible ?

Since the release of the new ipod touch 32go, I'm really interested in that model, but I don't want to use iTunes
It's not impossible, but complicated. The only way I would do it is via the undocumented Apple Mobile Devices API, of which the main problem is that it is undocumented and also the fact I don't have a touch would make it all that more difficult. I'll try and have another look at it this anyway.

out of 4000 odd songs i transfered to my ipod only 3 of them had this error, it's weird because the other songs in the same album using the same cover art didn't get this error.

I'll give your v0.5.5 a run through tonight with the same files and cover art, if the problem happens again i'll post the cover art sizes for the ones with errors
I added some more detail to the error messages in 0.5.5 so that should also help track it down if you get any more errors.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: GoWaN on 2008-02-11 19:53:05
Is your smart playlist rule "play count is zero" ?

Yes, and I think I'm wrong. That tag is not reset when the songs are scrobbled 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bl@ck_warrior on 2008-02-11 19:53:55
]It's not impossible, but complicated. The only way I would do it is via the undocumented Apple Mobile Devices API, of which the main problem is that it is undocumented and also the fact I don't have a touch would make it all that more difficult. I'll try and have another look at it this anyway.


Thanks for the answer  , I hope you'll be sucessful when you give it a try, I'm really looking forward to it
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2008-02-12 06:13:53
I got the error again
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/669/errorkx4.th.png) (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=errorkx4.png)
but i found out what the problem was.

It turns out that the album art for those files were .gif files with a .jpg extension. when i opened the file with Irfanview it told me that the extension was wrong.

EDIT: looks like the problem is still there even after fixing up the .gif as a .jpg problem

(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4879/errorcz4.th.png) (http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=errorcz4.png)

the dimensions of the Nirvana Bleach album art is 915x900 and the Beatles Revolver cover is 746 x 740
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-12 10:28:33
Thanks for the answer  , I hope you'll be sucessful when you give it a try, I'm really looking forward to it
It doesn't seem too complicated, I started a bit o work on it. Really I would need to write a filesystem service in foobar2000 so the touch/iPhones filesystem is accessible as normal through foobar2000 (by something like "applemobiledevice://serial number:path")

Is there someone here with a touch or iPhone ?

EDIT: looks like the problem is still there even after fixing up the .gif as a .jpg problem
OK, it only triggered with images with indexed colours. It's fixed for next build.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-12 23:31:57
Is there someone here with a touch or iPhone ?
I've got a touch (newest firmware 1.1.3 in case youre wondering). Not sure if I want to be a guinea pig though. Btw, mediamonkey recently added touch/iphone support and it seems to work perfectly so far. The open source winamp ipod plugin (ml_ipod) also has touch/iphone support, but I havent tested it yet and Ive heard it doesnt actually update the database until you reset the device. Maybe you can look at it, though, to get an idea for how to get it working.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Tomk on 2008-02-13 02:32:17
I tried your command here, with version 1.1.34.2 of the Nero encoder, and it worked OK.


Thanks for building this awesome plugin! 

I am using a shuffle, so I need to convert all my lossless files to mp3 and foo_dop works great. 

Is there a way for me to use the tool to convert my lossless files to wav and send them straight to the shuffle (without doing the lame encoding)?  Its taking me quite a while to transcode 20 files when in reality, I only need to get about 1.5 hours of music onto the shuffle for my jogging. 

Also, I assume there are temporary files being written by foobar during the conversion.  I assume it goes, lossless->wav->mp3...  So where does that temporary wav file go?

Thanks again

Tom
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-02-13 08:56:24
I am very unfimiliar with iPod playlists, only basic creation of them within iTunes. I haven't even tried smart playlists, so please excuse if this question is elementary...

But recently I have been rating my songs.
I was wondering if there is a provision anywhere, that automatically creates a playlist according to it's rating. Say: 5 star playlist, 4+ starplaylist, 3+ star playlist and so on.
So as soon as the song has been rated within foobar, this song is automatically added to the corresponding playlist(s). And if the song is rated on your iPod, as soon as you sinc your iPod, these songs are also added to the corresponding playlist(s).

Cheers
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-13 18:45:11
I've implemented some of the foundations for iPod touch / iPhone support in foo_dop 0.5.6, however they need some testing as I don't own either device. For this, the Apple Mobile Devices stuff is required to be installed, this is included with iTunes (it's also a separate msi package within the iTunes installer).

The things that have been implemented are basically interfacing with the Apple Mobile Devices API (watching for new devices and exposing the touch/iPhone filesystem in foobar2000, though I am not expecting the latter to work with this being my first attempt).

The first thing I really need testing is whether foo_dop recognises and connects to the touch/iPhone correctly. This is what needs to be done:
First, in foo_dop prefs enable mobile devices support, and close foobar2000. Open foobar2000 and connect your iPod touch/iPhone. Disconnect and reconnect it. Paste the contents of the foobar2000 console here (or PM me), also stating what touch/iPhone you own.

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-13 20:45:37
Ok, I just gave it a try. As soon as I plug the ipod in and it is detected by windows, foobar crashes. So at the very least that means foobar is detecting the ipod being mounted. Oh, and its a 16gb iPod Touch. Here's the log:

Code: [Select]
Illegal operation:
Code: C0000005h, flags: 00000000h, address: 014F18E7h
Access violation, operation: read, address: 0000003Ch
Call path not available.
Code bytes (014F18E7h):
014F18A7h:  64 A1 00 00 00 00 50 83 EC 14 53 55 56 57 A1 A0
014F18B7h:  C0 52 01 33 C4 50 8D 44 24 28 64 A3 00 00 00 00
014F18C7h:  8B 7C 24 38 C7 07 04 C4 51 01 33 DB 89 5C 24 30
014F18D7h:  8B 47 0C BD 40 86 51 01 3B C3 74 53 8B 4F 3C 50
014F18E7h:  8B 41 3C FF D0 8B F0 83 C4 04 3B F3 74 41 89 5C
014F18F7h:  24 18 89 5C 24 1C 89 5C 24 20 89 5C 24 24 89 6C
014F1907h:  24 14 6A FF 68 6C C3 51 01 8D 4C 24 1C C6 44 24
014F1917h:  38 01 FF 15 40 86 51 01 8B C6 8D 74 24 14 E8 56
Stack (0C50FDF8h):
0C50FDD8h:  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0C50FDE8h:  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0C50FDF8h:  0C530258 DEC2E719 0C50FF40 01554A58
0C50FE08h:  0C50FF28 00000000 014B2923 DEC2E701
0C50FE18h:  014F17B1 00000000 DEC2E73D 0C50FF1C
0C50FE28h:  0150FAD3 00000000 014F1889 01554A58
0C50FE38h:  01554A58 014F3953 00000001 01555784
0C50FE48h:  014EFFFE DEC2E749 0B3768D8 0B374278
0C50FE58h:  71AB949F 015556F0 00000000 00000000
0C50FE68h:  00012017 0C50FE88 01554A58 01555794
0C50FE78h:  71A544B0 71AD2E70 001D48E8 71AB949F
0C50FE88h:  0C50FF3C 00000001 00000000 00000020
0C50FE98h:  0B370168 01518640 00000000 00000004
0C50FEA8h:  00000424 00000000 00000000 00000000
0C50FEB8h:  0C50FEA0 001EA0F8 00000000 0C50FE7C
0C50FEC8h:  0C50FEFC 0C50FF9C 71A771C8 71A544B8
0C50FED8h:  FFFFFFFF 71A544B0 71AB4379 00000400
0C50FEE8h:  0C50FF3C 00000001 0C50FF54 0C50FF50
0C50FEF8h:  71AB2B32 001D48E8 001D48E8 71AB4382
0C50FF08h:  71AD2E70 0B374298 001EA210 00000000
Registers:
EAX: 0C530258, EBX: 00000000, ECX: 00000000, EDX: 0151C404
ESI: 01554A58, EDI: 01554A58, EBP: 01518640, ESP: 0C50FDF8
Crash location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0153E000h

Loaded modules:
foobar2000                      loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
ntdll                            loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
kernel32                        loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
COMCTL32                        loaded at 773D0000h - 774D3000h
msvcrt                          loaded at 77C10000h - 77C68000h
ADVAPI32                        loaded at 77DD0000h - 77E6B000h
RPCRT4                          loaded at 77E70000h - 77F02000h
Secur32                          loaded at 77FE0000h - 77FF1000h
GDI32                            loaded at 77F10000h - 77F57000h
USER32                          loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
SHLWAPI                          loaded at 77F60000h - 77FD6000h
SHELL32                          loaded at 7C9C0000h - 7D1D7000h
ole32                            loaded at 774E0000h - 7761D000h
shared                          loaded at 10000000h - 1002A000h
COMDLG32                        loaded at 763B0000h - 763F9000h
IMM32                            loaded at 76390000h - 763AD000h
AirfoilInject                    loaded at 00380000h - 003A8000h
winmm                            loaded at 76B40000h - 76B6D000h
dsound                          loaded at 73F10000h - 73F6C000h
VERSION                          loaded at 77C00000h - 77C08000h
MSCTF                            loaded at 74720000h - 7476B000h
msctfime                        loaded at 755C0000h - 755EE000h
foo_abx                          loaded at 00F20000h - 00F53000h
foo_albumlist                    loaded at 00F80000h - 00FE7000h
foo_appcommand                  loaded at 01010000h - 01026000h
foo_audioscrobbler              loaded at 01050000h - 01080000h
WS2_32                          loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
WS2HELP                          loaded at 71AA0000h - 71AA8000h
foo_autoplaylist                loaded at 010A0000h - 010D0000h
foo_cdda                        loaded at 010F0000h - 01125000h
foo_converter                    loaded at 01150000h - 011B8000h
foo_cwbowron                    loaded at 011E0000h - 01208000h
gdiplus                          loaded at 4EC50000h - 4EDF3000h
foo_cwb_hooks                    loaded at 01240000h - 0128C000h
foo_dbsearch                    loaded at 012B0000h - 01320000h
OLEAUT32                        loaded at 77120000h - 771AB000h
foo_dirwatch                    loaded at 01340000h - 0136E000h
foo_discogs                      loaded at 01390000h - 0142E000h
foo_dockable_panels              loaded at 01440000h - 01473000h
foo_dop                          loaded at 014A0000h - 0153E000h
SETUPAPI                        loaded at 77920000h - 77A13000h
UxTheme                          loaded at 5AD70000h - 5ADA8000h
foo_dsp_continuator              loaded at 01560000h - 01576000h
MSVCP80                          loaded at 7C420000h - 7C4A7000h
MSVCR80                          loaded at 78130000h - 781CB000h
foo_dsp_crossfader              loaded at 015A0000h - 015BA000h
MSVCR90                          loaded at 78520000h - 785C3000h
foo_dsp_skip_silence            loaded at 015E0000h - 015F3000h
libmmd                          loaded at 01610000h - 018C1000h
foo_dsp_soundtouch              loaded at 018E0000h - 01903000h
foo_dsp_std                      loaded at 01920000h - 01968000h
foo_dsp_vlevel                  loaded at 01990000h - 019B4000h
foo_dsp_vst~                    loaded at 019E0000h - 01A02000h
foo_dsp_winamp                  loaded at 01A30000h - 01A53000h
foo_dts                          loaded at 01A80000h - 01AD6000h
foo_etc                          loaded at 01AF0000h - 01B1A000h
CLBCATQ                          loaded at 76FD0000h - 7704F000h
COMRes                          loaded at 77050000h - 77115000h
vbscript                        loaded at 73300000h - 73365000h
SXS                              loaded at 75E90000h - 75F40000h
foo_exvar                        loaded at 01B60000h - 01B8E000h
foo_facets                      loaded at 01CB0000h - 01D30000h
MSIMG32                          loaded at 76380000h - 76385000h
foo_fileops                      loaded at 01D50000h - 01D96000h
foo_freedb2                      loaded at 01DC0000h - 01E01000h
foo_highlightplaying            loaded at 01E30000h - 01E51000h
foo_input_mslive                loaded at 01E80000h - 01F03000h
WMVCore                          loaded at 15110000h - 1536A000h
WMASF                            loaded at 11C70000h - 11CAA000h
foo_input_reverse                loaded at 01F20000h - 01F4E000h
foo_input_std                    loaded at 01F60000h - 02088000h
foo_input_wma                    loaded at 020B0000h - 020EF000h
foo_listeningto                  loaded at 02100000h - 02110000h
foo_masstag                      loaded at 02120000h - 0216F000h
foo_masstag_addons              loaded at 02190000h - 021AD000h
foo_masstag_replace              loaded at 021C0000h - 021F1000h
foo_menu_addons                  loaded at 02220000h - 0227D000h
foo_minimize_on_close            loaded at 02290000h - 022A6000h
foo_misc_addons                  loaded at 022D0000h - 0230C000h
foo_mlt                          loaded at 02320000h - 0232A000h
foo_navigator                    loaded at 02340000h - 02371000h
foo_playcount                    loaded at 023A0000h - 023C5000h
foo_playlist_bind                loaded at 023F0000h - 02415000h
foo_pqview                      loaded at 02430000h - 02458000h
foo_prettypop                    loaded at 02480000h - 024CD000h
mscoree                          loaded at 79000000h - 79046000h
msvcm80                          loaded at 7C4C0000h - 7C53D000h
mscorwks                        loaded at 79E70000h - 7A40A000h
mscorlib.ni                      loaded at 790C0000h - 79BE8000h
mscorjit                        loaded at 79060000h - 790B6000h
rsaenh                          loaded at 0FFD0000h - 0FFF8000h
foo_preview                      loaded at 04960000h - 04981000h
foo_quicktag                    loaded at 04A20000h - 04A5E000h
foo_removefromqueue              loaded at 04A80000h - 04A8A000h
foo_rgscan                      loaded at 04AA0000h - 04AF9000h
foo_run                          loaded at 04B20000h - 04B4E000h
foo_runcmd                      loaded at 04B70000h - 04B9F000h
foo_scrobblecharts              loaded at 04BC0000h - 04BF3000h
WININET                          loaded at 42C10000h - 42CDF000h
Normaliz                        loaded at 04C10000h - 04C19000h
iertutil                        loaded at 42990000h - 429D5000h
foo_snap                        loaded at 04E40000h - 04E56000h
foo_tlbRC                        loaded at 04E80000h - 04EA0000h
foo_trackpos                    loaded at 04EC0000h - 04EDF000h
foo_uie_albumart                loaded at 04F00000h - 04F3D000h
foo_uie_bookmarks                loaded at 04F60000h - 04FB3000h
foo_uie_explorer                loaded at 04FD0000h - 0500C000h
foo_uie_lyrics                  loaded at 05030000h - 0508F000h
foo_uie_lyrics_art              loaded at 050B0000h - 0516B000h
mscms                            loaded at 73B30000h - 73B45000h
WINSPOOL                        loaded at 73000000h - 73026000h
icm32                            loaded at 66E90000h - 66ED1000h
foo_uie_lyrics_panel            loaded at 051A0000h - 05204000h
foo_uie_panel_splitter          loaded at 05230000h - 05256000h
foo_uie_quicksearch              loaded at 05280000h - 052C6000h
foo_uie_typefind                loaded at 052F0000h - 05320000h
foo_uie_vis_channel_spectrum    loaded at 05340000h - 05379000h
foo_uie_vis_projectm            loaded at 053A0000h - 053EA000h
OPENGL32                        loaded at 5ED00000h - 5EDCC000h
GLU32                            loaded at 68B20000h - 68B40000h
DDRAW                            loaded at 73760000h - 737A9000h
DCIMAN32                        loaded at 73BC0000h - 73BC6000h
foo_ui_columns                  loaded at 05B80000h - 05C88000h
foo_ui_std                      loaded at 05CB0000h - 05D71000h
foo_unpack                      loaded at 05DA0000h - 05DCD000h
foo_utils                        loaded at 05DF0000h - 05E34000h
foo_vis_shpeck                  loaded at 05E60000h - 05EA0000h
foo_winamp_ipc                  loaded at 05EC0000h - 05EE2000h
foo_winamp_spam                  loaded at 05F10000h - 05F2F000h
System.ni                        loaded at 7A440000h - 7AC3E000h
System.Drawing.ni                loaded at 7ADE0000h - 7AF7C000h
System.Windows.Forms.ni          loaded at 7AFD0000h - 7BCA2000h
WINTRUST                        loaded at 76C30000h - 76C5E000h
CRYPT32                          loaded at 77A80000h - 77B14000h
MSASN1                          loaded at 77B20000h - 77B32000h
IMAGEHLP                        loaded at 76C90000h - 76CB8000h
CoreFoundation                  loaded at 18000000h - 18110000h
WSOCK32                          loaded at 71AD0000h - 71AD9000h
YSFileShim                      loaded at 0A130000h - 0A13A000h
icuuc36                          loaded at 0A8E0000h - 0A9A8000h
icudt36                          loaded at 0A9B0000h - 0B0B7000h
icuin36                          loaded at 0B0C0000h - 0B14D000h
pthreadGC2                      loaded at 0A140000h - 0A14F000h
libobjc.i386.A                  loaded at 22200000h - 2229D000h
iTunesMobileDevice              loaded at 0B250000h - 0B364000h
QuickTime                        loaded at 0B380000h - 0C1ED000h
PopUpIcons                      loaded at 0C310000h - 0C316000h
mswsock                          loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
mslbui                          loaded at 605D0000h - 605D9000h
hnetcfg                          loaded at 662B0000h - 66308000h
wshtcpip                        loaded at 71A90000h - 71A98000h
DBGHELP                          loaded at 59A60000h - 59B01000h

Stack dump analysis:
Address: 014B2923h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0153E000h
Address: 014F17B1h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0153E000h
Address: 0150FAD3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0153E000h
Address: 014F1889h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0153E000h
Address: 014F3953h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0153E000h
Address: 014EFFFEh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0153E000h
Address: 71AB949Fh, location: "WS2_32", loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
Symbol: "WSAResetEvent" (+00000000h)
Address: 71A544B0h, location: "mswsock", loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
Address: 71AD2E70h, location: "WSOCK32", loaded at 71AD0000h - 71AD9000h
Symbol: "recv" (+00000000h)
Address: 71AB949Fh, location: "WS2_32", loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
Symbol: "WSAResetEvent" (+00000000h)
Address: 01518640h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0153E000h
Address: 71A771C8h, location: "mswsock", loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
Address: 71A544B8h, location: "mswsock", loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
Address: 71A544B0h, location: "mswsock", loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
Address: 71AB4379h, location: "WS2_32", loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
Symbol: "WSARecv" (+00000061h)
Address: 71AB2B32h, location: "WS2_32", loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
Symbol: "FreeAddrInfoW" (+00000027h)
Address: 71AB4382h, location: "WS2_32", loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
Symbol: "WSARecv" (+0000006Ah)
Address: 71AD2E70h, location: "WSOCK32", loaded at 71AD0000h - 71AD9000h
Symbol: "recv" (+00000000h)
Address: 0150FCA5h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0153E000h
Address: 0B252047h, location: "iTunesMobileDevice", loaded at 0B250000h - 0B364000h
Symbol: "AMDeviceStartService" (+00000357h)
Address: 71AD2E70h, location: "WSOCK32", loaded at 71AD0000h - 71AD9000h
Symbol: "recv" (+00000000h)
Address: 0B263395h, location: "iTunesMobileDevice", loaded at 0B250000h - 0B364000h
Symbol: "USBMuxListenerHandleData" (+000000E5h)
Address: 71AB948Eh, location: "WS2_32", loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
Symbol: "WSAWaitForMultipleEvents" (+00000000h)
Address: 0B25105Bh, location: "iTunesMobileDevice", loaded at 0B250000h - 0B364000h
Address: 0B2E1303h, location: "iTunesMobileDevice", loaded at 0B250000h - 0B364000h
Symbol: "YahooConduitLastSyncError" (+00074B53h)
Address: 0B2E9750h, location: "iTunesMobileDevice", loaded at 0B250000h - 0B364000h
Symbol: "YahooConduitLastSyncError" (+0007CFA0h)
Address: 0B2E13A8h, location: "iTunesMobileDevice", loaded at 0B250000h - 0B364000h
Symbol: "YahooConduitLastSyncError" (+00074BF8h)
Address: 7C80B683h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "GetModuleFileNameA" (+000001B4h)
Address: 7C839AA8h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "ValidateLocale" (+000002B0h)
Address: 7C80B690h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "GetModuleFileNameA" (+000001C1h)
Address: 0B2E1329h, location: "iTunesMobileDevice", loaded at 0B250000h - 0B364000h
Symbol: "YahooConduitLastSyncError" (+00074B79h)
Address: 79747265h, location: "mscorlib.ni", loaded at 790C0000h - 79BE8000h
Address: 7473694Ch, location: "MSCTF", loaded at 74720000h - 7476B000h
Symbol: "TF_InitSystem" (+00005A21h)
Address: 79656B3Ch, location: "mscorlib.ni", loaded at 790C0000h - 79BE8000h
Address: 74736575h, location: "MSCTF", loaded at 74720000h - 7476B000h
Symbol: "TF_InitSystem" (+0000564Ah)
Address: 74732F3Ch, location: "MSCTF", loaded at 74720000h - 7476B000h
Symbol: "TF_InitSystem" (+00002011h)
Address: 79656B3Ch, location: "mscorlib.ni", loaded at 790C0000h - 79BE8000h

Version info:
foobar2000 v0.9.5.1 beta 1
UNICODE
Windows 5.1


Additional info:
Converter 1.1  (foo_converter)
Playlist Bind 3.2  (foo_playlist_bind)
Standard Input Array 1.0  (foo_input_std)
iPod manager 0.5.6 TEST  (foo_dop)
RAR reader 1.1  (foo_unpack)
Masstagger Replace 0.0.1  (foo_masstag_replace)
Shpeck - Winamp vis plugins wrapper 0.1.1  (foo_vis_shpeck)
CD Audio Decoder 2.1.2  (foo_cdda)
Quick Search Toolbar 2.8l  (foo_uie_quicksearch)
Acro WMA decoder 0.1.7.1 (Intel SSE)  (foo_input_wma)
Reverse Playback 0.1.3 (Intel SSE)  (foo_input_reverse)
Standard DSP Array 1.0  (foo_dsp_std)
Audioscrobbler 1.3.15  (foo_audioscrobbler)
Dockable Panels 1.0.7b [Mar 28 2007 - 09:18:48]  (foo_dockable_panels)
Preview 1.2  (foo_preview)
SoundTouch DSP 0.1 (Intel SSE)  (foo_dsp_soundtouch)
File Operations 2.1  (foo_fileops)
Extended Variables 0.3  (foo_exvar)
Last.fm Chart Player 0.2.3  (foo_scrobblecharts)
Remove from Queue 1  (foo_removefromqueue)
VLevel 20060324.0  (foo_dsp_vlevel)
TLB Remote Control 2.1  (foo_tlbRC)
Bookmarks 0.2.4.1  (foo_uie_bookmarks)
Misc. Addons 0.1 (Intel SSE)  (foo_misc_addons)
VST bridge 0.60 Beta  (foo_dsp_vst~)
Database Search 1.4  (foo_dbsearch)
Columns UI 0.2.1 alpha 11 preview 2  (foo_ui_columns)
Main window snapping 0.1  (foo_snap)
Winamp IPC emulator 0.1.0  (foo_winamp_ipc)
Playback Statistics 2.0  (foo_playcount)
cwbowron's title format hooks 1.2.6 [Jan  2 2008 - 15:50:05]  (foo_cwb_hooks)
ABX Comparator 1.3.1  (foo_abx)
Typefind 0.2 beta 2  (foo_uie_typefind)
ReplayGain Scanner 2.0.3  (foo_rgscan)
Tagger Panel Window 1.0.6 [Jan  2 2008 - 15:50:49]  (foo_cwb_hooks)
Playlist Tools 0.6.2 beta 6  (foo_utils)
Continuator 0.5.0  (foo_dsp_continuator)
Run services 0.3.3  (foo_run)
Winamp DSP Bridge 1.4.1  (foo_dsp_winamp)
DTS decoder 0.1.1 (Intel SSE)  (foo_dts)
Masstagger 1.6  (foo_masstag)
mslive 0.4.1 (Intel SSE)  (foo_input_mslive)
Facets 2008-01-25  (foo_facets)
Menu Addons 0.4 (Intel SSE)  (foo_menu_addons)
APPCOMMAND multimedia key support 0.1  (foo_appcommand)
Explorer Tree 1.04.6b  (foo_uie_explorer)
Pretty Popup 1.2.3  (foo_prettypop)
ListeningTo 0.1.1  (foo_listeningto)
Highlight playing 0.1.0  (foo_highlightplaying)
foobar2000 core 0.9.5.1 beta 1  (Core)
Miranda ListeningTo foobar2000 Plugin 1.0  (foo_mlt)
Album Art Panel 0.2.7.1  (foo_uie_albumart)
Album Art Browser 0.0.5 [Jul 13 2007 - 10:15:45]  (foo_cwbowron)
Gapless Crossfader 0.3.3.5 (SSE)  (foo_dsp_crossfader)
Winamp API Emulator 0.90  (foo_winamp_spam)
projectM visualization (Panel) 0.4  (foo_uie_vis_projectm)
foo_etc 0.02 alpha  (foo_etc)
Lyrics Art Panel 0.04  (foo_uie_lyrics_art)
Run Command 1.0 beta 2  (foo_runcmd)
Lyric Show Panels 0.3.2.1 [Feb  5 2008 - 19:18:13]  (foo_uie_lyrics)
Minimize On Close 0.2  (foo_minimize_on_close)
freedb Tagger 0.5.2.1  (foo_freedb2)
Default User Interface 0.9.5  (foo_ui_std)
Directory watcher 0.2 beta 3  (foo_dirwatch)
Panel Stack Splitter 0.1.2(alpha)  (foo_uie_panel_splitter)
Masstagger Addons 0.3.4 (Intel SSE)  (foo_masstag_addons)
Album List 4.2  (foo_albumlist)
Navigator 0.6  (foo_navigator)
ZIP/GZIP reader 1.0  (foo_unpack)
Channel Spectrum panel 0.13  (foo_uie_vis_channel_spectrum)
Skip silence 0.1 (Intel SSE)  (foo_dsp_skip_silence)
Track Positioner 1.0  (foo_trackpos)
Lyrics panel 0.34  (foo_uie_lyrics_panel)
Quick Tagger 1.0  (foo_quicktag)
Autoplaylist Manager 1.0  (foo_autoplaylist)
Discogs Tagger 1.11  (foo_discogs)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-13 21:04:48
Good work looking into this! 

I've got a 32gb ipod touch, 1.1.3 firmware; it's jailbroken if that matters.

Foobar crashes as soon as the ipod is disconnected.

Code: [Select]
Illegal operation:
Code: C0000005h, flags: 00000000h, address: 00E518E7h
Access violation, operation: read, address: 0000003Ch
Call path not available.
Code bytes (00E518E7h):
00E518A7h:  64 A1 00 00 00 00 50 83 EC 14 53 55 56 57 A1 A0
00E518B7h:  C0 E8 00 33 C4 50 8D 44 24 28 64 A3 00 00 00 00
00E518C7h:  8B 7C 24 38 C7 07 04 C4 E7 00 33 DB 89 5C 24 30
00E518D7h:  8B 47 0C BD 40 86 E7 00 3B C3 74 53 8B 4F 3C 50
00E518E7h:  8B 41 3C FF D0 8B F0 83 C4 04 3B F3 74 41 89 5C
00E518F7h:  24 18 89 5C 24 1C 89 5C 24 20 89 5C 24 24 89 6C
00E51907h:  24 14 6A FF 68 6C C3 E7 00 8D 4C 24 1C C6 44 24
00E51917h:  38 01 FF 15 40 86 E7 00 8B C6 8D 74 24 14 E8 56
Stack (06F2FDF8h):
06F2FDD8h:  7C919B3F 7C97C0D8 7C919AEB 06C1373C
06F2FDE8h:  06CF64B0 0000FFFF 7FFD6000 00256628
06F2FDF8h:  06FD0258 3B729D34 06F2FF40 00EC4C78
06F2FE08h:  06F2FF28 00000000 00E12923 3B729D2C
06F2FE18h:  00E517B1 00000000 3B729D10 06F2FF1C
06F2FE28h:  00E6FAD3 00000000 00E51889 00EC4C78
06F2FE38h:  00EC4C78 00E53953 00000001 00EC2554
06F2FE48h:  00E4FFFE 3B729D64 06CF68F0 06CF4290
06F2FE58h:  71AB949F 00EC24C0 00000000 00000000
06F2FE68h:  00012017 06F2FE88 00EC4C78 00EC2564
06F2FE78h:  71A544B0 71AD2E70 00C07878 71AB949F
06F2FE88h:  06F2FF3C 00000001 00000000 00000020
06F2FE98h:  06CF0168 00E78640 00000000 00000004
06F2FEA8h:  000002F4 00000000 00000000 00000000
06F2FEB8h:  06F2FEA0 001CABD0 00000000 06F2FE7C
06F2FEC8h:  06F2FEFC 06F2FF9C 71A771C8 71A544B8
06F2FED8h:  FFFFFFFF 71A544B0 71AB4379 000002D4
06F2FEE8h:  06F2FF3C 00000001 06F2FF54 06F2FF50
06F2FEF8h:  71AB2B32 00C07878 00C07878 71AB4382
06F2FF08h:  71AD2E70 06CF42B0 00C07898 00000000
Registers:
EAX: 06FD0258, EBX: 00000000, ECX: 00000000, EDX: 00E7C404
ESI: 00EC4C78, EDI: 00EC4C78, EBP: 00E78640, ESP: 06F2FDF8
Crash location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00E00000h - 00E9E000h

Loaded modules:
foobar2000                       loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
ntdll                            loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
kernel32                         loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
COMCTL32                         loaded at 773D0000h - 774D3000h
msvcrt                           loaded at 77C10000h - 77C68000h
ADVAPI32                         loaded at 77DD0000h - 77E6B000h
RPCRT4                           loaded at 77E70000h - 77F01000h
GDI32                            loaded at 77F10000h - 77F57000h
USER32                           loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A1000h
SHLWAPI                          loaded at 77F60000h - 77FD6000h
SHELL32                          loaded at 7C9C0000h - 7D1D7000h
ole32                            loaded at 774E0000h - 7761D000h
shared                           loaded at 10000000h - 1002A000h
COMDLG32                         loaded at 763B0000h - 763F9000h
IMM32                            loaded at 76390000h - 763AD000h
uxtheme                          loaded at 5AD70000h - 5ADA8000h
MSCTF                            loaded at 74720000h - 7476C000h
msctfime                         loaded at 755C0000h - 755EE000h
foo_utils                        loaded at 00AA0000h - 00AD8000h
foo_ac3                          loaded at 00AE0000h - 00B0F000h
foo_albumlist                    loaded at 00B30000h - 00B97000h
foo_audioscrobbler               loaded at 00BC0000h - 00BF0000h
WS2_32                           loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
WS2HELP                          loaded at 71AA0000h - 71AA8000h
foo_browser                      loaded at 00C50000h - 00C89000h
foo_channel_mixer                loaded at 00CB0000h - 00CEB000h
foo_converter                    loaded at 00D00000h - 00D68000h
foo_cwb_hooks                    loaded at 00D90000h - 00DDD000h
foo_dop                          loaded at 00E00000h - 00E9E000h
SETUPAPI                         loaded at 77920000h - 77A13000h
gdiplus                          loaded at 4EC50000h - 4EDF3000h
foo_dsp_pl2                      loaded at 00ED0000h - 00EEE000h
foo_dsp_std                      loaded at 00F10000h - 00F58000h
foo_freedb2                      loaded at 00F80000h - 00FC1000h
foo_infobox                      loaded at 00FF0000h - 01030000h
foo_input_alac                   loaded at 01050000h - 0106D000h
foo_input_dts                    loaded at 01090000h - 010F5000h
foo_input_monkey                 loaded at 01120000h - 01169000h
foo_input_std                    loaded at 01190000h - 012B8000h
foo_lyricsdb                     loaded at 012E0000h - 0130F000h
OLEAUT32                         loaded at 77120000h - 771AB000h
WININET                          loaded at 42C10000h - 42CDF000h
Normaliz                         loaded at 01320000h - 01329000h
iertutil                         loaded at 42990000h - 429D5000h
foo_masstag                      loaded at 01550000h - 015A0000h
foo_navigator                    loaded at 015C0000h - 015E1000h
foo_out_ks                       loaded at 01610000h - 0163A000h
foo_packet_decoder_ac3           loaded at 01660000h - 01687000h
foo_playlist_manager             loaded at 016B0000h - 016F4000h
foo_rgscan                       loaded at 01720000h - 01779000h
foo_uie_albumlist                loaded at 017A0000h - 017DD000h
foo_uie_peakmeter                loaded at 01800000h - 0182D000h
foo_uie_playlists_dropdown       loaded at 01850000h - 0188A000h
foo_uie_queuemanager             loaded at 018B0000h - 018E9000h
mscoree                          loaded at 79000000h - 79046000h
MSVCR80                          loaded at 78130000h - 781CB000h
msvcm80                          loaded at 7C4C0000h - 7C53D000h
mscorwks                         loaded at 79E70000h - 7A3FF000h
mscorlib.ni                      loaded at 790C0000h - 79BF6000h
mscorjit                         loaded at 79060000h - 790B6000h
rsaenh                           loaded at 0FFD0000h - 0FFF8000h
System.ni                        loaded at 7A440000h - 7AC2A000h
System.Drawing.ni                loaded at 7ADE0000h - 7AF7C000h
foo_uie_quicksearch              loaded at 04060000h - 040A6000h
foo_ui_columns                   loaded at 040B0000h - 0414B000h
foo_ui_panels                    loaded at 04170000h - 04259000h
foo_ui_std                       loaded at 04280000h - 04341000h
MSIMG32                          loaded at 76380000h - 76385000h
xpsp2res                         loaded at 20000000h - 202C5000h
mswsock                          loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
DNSAPI                           loaded at 76F20000h - 76F47000h
rasadhlp                         loaded at 76FC0000h - 76FC6000h
hnetcfg                          loaded at 662B0000h - 66308000h
wshtcpip                         loaded at 71A90000h - 71A98000h
WINTRUST                         loaded at 76C30000h - 76C5E000h
CRYPT32                          loaded at 77A80000h - 77B14000h
MSASN1                           loaded at 77B20000h - 77B32000h
IMAGEHLP                         loaded at 76C90000h - 76CB8000h
mslbui                           loaded at 605D0000h - 605D9000h
CoreFoundation                   loaded at 18000000h - 18110000h
WSOCK32                          loaded at 71AD0000h - 71AD9000h
YSFileShim                       loaded at 04C60000h - 04C6A000h
icuuc36                          loaded at 061C0000h - 06288000h
icudt36                          loaded at 06290000h - 06997000h
icuin36                          loaded at 069A0000h - 06A2D000h
pthreadGC2                       loaded at 04C70000h - 04C7F000h
libobjc.i386.A                   loaded at 22200000h - 2229D000h
iTunesMobileDevice               loaded at 06B30000h - 06C44000h
VERSION                          loaded at 77C00000h - 77C08000h
QuickTime                        loaded at 66800000h - 6777F000h
WINMM                            loaded at 76B40000h - 76B6D000h
DSOUND                           loaded at 73F10000h - 73F6C000h
DBGHELP                          loaded at 59A60000h - 59B01000h

Stack dump analysis:
Address: 00E12923h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00E00000h - 00E9E000h
Address: 00E517B1h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00E00000h - 00E9E000h
Address: 00E6FAD3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00E00000h - 00E9E000h
Address: 00E51889h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00E00000h - 00E9E000h
Address: 00E53953h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00E00000h - 00E9E000h
Address: 00E4FFFEh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00E00000h - 00E9E000h
Address: 71AB949Fh, location: "WS2_32", loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
Symbol: "WSAResetEvent" (+00000000h)
Address: 71A544B0h, location: "mswsock", loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
Address: 71AD2E70h, location: "WSOCK32", loaded at 71AD0000h - 71AD9000h
Symbol: "recv" (+00000000h)
Address: 71AB949Fh, location: "WS2_32", loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
Symbol: "WSAResetEvent" (+00000000h)
Address: 00E78640h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00E00000h - 00E9E000h
Address: 71A771C8h, location: "mswsock", loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
Address: 71A544B8h, location: "mswsock", loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
Address: 71A544B0h, location: "mswsock", loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
Address: 71AB4379h, location: "WS2_32", loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
Symbol: "WSARecv" (+00000061h)
Address: 71AB2B32h, location: "WS2_32", loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
Symbol: "FreeAddrInfoW" (+00000027h)
Address: 71AB4382h, location: "WS2_32", loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
Symbol: "WSARecv" (+0000006Ah)
Address: 71AD2E70h, location: "WSOCK32", loaded at 71AD0000h - 71AD9000h
Symbol: "recv" (+00000000h)
Address: 00E6FCA5h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00E00000h - 00E9E000h
Address: 06B32047h, location: "iTunesMobileDevice", loaded at 06B30000h - 06C44000h
Symbol: "AMDeviceStartService" (+00000357h)
Address: 71AD2E70h, location: "WSOCK32", loaded at 71AD0000h - 71AD9000h
Symbol: "recv" (+00000000h)
Address: 06B43395h, location: "iTunesMobileDevice", loaded at 06B30000h - 06C44000h
Symbol: "USBMuxListenerHandleData" (+000000E5h)
Address: 71AB948Eh, location: "WS2_32", loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
Symbol: "WSAWaitForMultipleEvents" (+00000000h)
Address: 06B3105Bh, location: "iTunesMobileDevice", loaded at 06B30000h - 06C44000h
Address: 06BC1303h, location: "iTunesMobileDevice", loaded at 06B30000h - 06C44000h
Symbol: "YahooConduitLastSyncError" (+00074B53h)
Address: 06BC9750h, location: "iTunesMobileDevice", loaded at 06B30000h - 06C44000h
Symbol: "YahooConduitLastSyncError" (+0007CFA0h)
Address: 06BC13A8h, location: "iTunesMobileDevice", loaded at 06B30000h - 06C44000h
Symbol: "YahooConduitLastSyncError" (+00074BF8h)
Address: 7C80B683h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "GetModuleFileNameA" (+000001B4h)
Address: 7C839AA8h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "ValidateLocale" (+000002B0h)
Address: 7C80B690h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "GetModuleFileNameA" (+000001C1h)
Address: 06BC1329h, location: "iTunesMobileDevice", loaded at 06B30000h - 06C44000h
Symbol: "YahooConduitLastSyncError" (+00074B79h)
Address: 1000DDAFh, location: "shared", loaded at 10000000h - 1002A000h

Version info:
foobar2000 v0.9.5.1 beta 1
UNICODE
Windows 5.1


Additional info:
Panels UI 0.13.8 beta [Jun 12 2007 - 12:28:00]  (foo_ui_panels)
Quick Search Toolbar 2.8l  (foo_uie_quicksearch)
Music Browser 1.2.3b [Mar 23 2007 - 16:52:56]  (foo_browser)
Audioscrobbler 1.3.15  (foo_audioscrobbler)
Masstagger 1.6  (foo_masstag)
Playlist Tools 0.5.9  (foo_utils)
DTS decoder 0.1.7  (foo_input_dts)
Queue manager panel 0.2.3  (foo_uie_queuemanager)
Standard Input Array 1.0  (foo_input_std)
foobar2000 core 0.9.5.1 beta 1  (Core)
freedb Tagger 0.5.2.1  (foo_freedb2)
Columns UI 0.1.3 beta 1v5  (foo_ui_columns)
Converter 1.1  (foo_converter)
Dolby ProLogic II Wrapper 0.1  (foo_dsp_pl2)
Special file info box 2.0.4  (foo_infobox)
Tagger Panel Window 1.0.5 [Jun 12 2007 - 15:14:00]  (foo_cwb_hooks)
Playlists Dropdown 0.5.7.5  (foo_uie_playlists_dropdown)
Kernel Streaming Output 1.2.2  (foo_out_ks)
Playlist Manager 1.0.2  (foo_playlist_manager)
Navigator 0.2  (foo_navigator)
Monkey's Audio decoder 2.1.1  (foo_input_monkey)
cwbowron's title format hooks 1.2.5 [Jun  8 2007 - 08:49:42]  (foo_cwb_hooks)
foo_lyricsdb 0.0.7 beta 5  (foo_lyricsdb)
Default User Interface 0.9.5  (foo_ui_std)
ALAC Decoder 1.0  (foo_input_alac)
iPod manager 0.5.6 TEST  (foo_dop)
AC3 decoder 0.9  (foo_ac3)
Channel Mixer 0.9.6.2  (foo_channel_mixer)
Standard DSP Array 1.0  (foo_dsp_std)
Album list panel 0.2.1  (foo_uie_albumlist)
ATSC A/52 (AC3) Packet Decoder 0.9  (foo_packet_decoder_ac3)
Album List 4.2  (foo_albumlist)
Peakmeter Panel 0.0.4.0 alpha preview  (foo_uie_peakmeter)
ReplayGain Scanner 2.0.3  (foo_rgscan)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-13 21:05:04
Thanks for testing!

OK that is slightly confusing because that looks like it was processing a disconnection notification. Still that particular crash should be fixed in 0.5.6.1. Please try with the new version (post a new log if it crashes again).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mystNZ on 2008-02-13 21:14:41
Now youve got me excited....I have a Touch too and would REALLY like to ditch iTunes all together. Looking forward to this ....thank you musicmusic for putting your time into it!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-13 21:16:07
Nice, that fixed the crash. So first I started foobar without the ipod connected. Then I connected, disconnected, and reconnected it, like you said in your other post. Here's the console log:

error: AMDeviceRetain returned 202861104
Connected to Mobile Device (DID: 48, PID: 4753, Serial: c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef)
error: AMDeviceStopSession returned 3892314131
error: AMDeviceRelease returned 2
Disconnected from Mobile Device (DID: 48, PID: 4753, Serial: c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef)
error: AMDeviceRetain returned 203078232
Connected to Mobile Device (DID: 49, PID: 4753, Serial: c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-13 21:28:20
0.5.6.1 test

Code: [Select]
Album List refreshed in: 0:00.392424
Startup time : 0:01.864979
Listening for Apple mobile devices.
Audioscrobbler: Handshake successful.
error: AMDeviceRetain returned 113273616
Connected to Mobile Device (DID: 5, PID: 4753, Serial: 154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485)
error: AMDeviceStopSession returned 3892314131
error: AMDeviceRelease returned 2
Disconnected from Mobile Device (DID: 5, PID: 4753, Serial: 154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485)
error: AMDeviceRetain returned 117310040
Connected to Mobile Device (DID: 6, PID: 4753, Serial: 154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TREX6662k6 on 2008-02-13 22:25:28
Edit: Sorry figured it out myself.

Good progress on the iPhone n iTouch though. GL
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-13 22:29:29
Great! It's successfully connecting to the iPod/iPhone.

Does it still display the connected message if you connect the iPod before starting foobar2000?

Next slightly more adventurous thing is to get the filesystem stuff working.

pnjman, as yours is jailbroken, do you know the path of a song on your iPod?

If so, let's see what happens if you try and add it to a playlist via "Add Location". The syntax should be
Code: [Select]
applemobiledevice://serial:/private/var/root/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/


It could also be
Code: [Select]
applemobiledevice://serial:private/var/root/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/

I'm not actually sure.

serial is the same string that is written by foo_dop to the console. Of course you will need to compete the end of the path.

(I'm not expecting this to work.. but let's see what happens!)

[edit] actually, wait until 0.5.6.2 before trying this, I'll upload that in a few minutes.

That's now uploaded. Also, don't try and add a whole directory at the moment, there's an issue there that needs to be fixed.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-13 22:56:02
Example of path to music

Code: [Select]
/mobile/media/itunes_control/music/F00/BDPF.mp3


Thats not right.

This is it

Code: [Select]
/private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/


no itunes control directory in /private/var/root etc
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-13 23:02:58
Are you sure the "mobile" folder is not just how it's represented by whatever software you use (or a mount point or smth) ?

Anyway, I fixed a few bugs in the filesystem stuff already so I'm about to upload 0.5.6.3. Please wait for that version and then you can experiment with paths..

0.5.6.3 is now uploaded.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-13 23:16:41
Heres the console log when I opened foobar with the ipod already connected (using 0.5.6.3):

Facet initialized in : 0:01.083
Facet initialized in : 0:00.524
Facet initialized in : 0:02.587
Startup time : 0:07.467531
Listening for Apple mobile devices.
Connected to Mobile Device (DID: 50, PID: 4753, Serial: c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef)

Also, I transferred some songs using mediamonkey, and it doesnt seem to follow the naming scheme that itunes does. Instead, it just uses the first 4 characters of the artist tag. So Im guessing you can use any filename as long as its 4 chars:

\iTunes_Control\Music\F44\Beat.mp3

Not sure how it determines the F44 directory, though. It appears to create a new directory for every song incrementally, which doesn't seem very practical.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-13 23:22:18
This is it

Code: [Select]
/private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/


no itunes control directory in /private/var/root etc
Aha great, thanks for that. I found the other format through Google, not sure what the story is with the difference, it was some old info in relation to iPhones rather than iPod touches though.

So, in your case I would try adding
Code: [Select]
applemobiledevice://154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485:/private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F00/BDPF.mp3

to a playlist in foobar2000, and if you get that far try and play it.

If you get a crash, please use
Code: [Select]
[codebox][/codebox]
tags to post it. Thanks!

alphaex32: Thanks for checking that, you can try a similar thing with your serial and path as well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-13 23:31:16
Just tried it, but im just getting an I/O error in the console:

could not enumerate tracks (I/O error) on:
applemobiledevice://c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef:/private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F44/Beat.mp3
Unable to open item for playback (I/O error):
"applemobiledevice://c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef:/private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F44/Beat.mp3"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-13 23:32:39
ditto

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could not enumerate tracks (I/O error) on:
applemobiledevice://154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485:/private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F00/BDPF.mp3
Unable to open item for playback (I/O error):
"applemobiledevice://154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485:/private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F00/BDPF.mp3"
Unable to ope
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-13 23:51:34
OK. I uploaded 0.5.6.4 with better error reporting, so please try with that and you should get a more descriptive message.

Also try without the slash after second colon.

[edit] Sorry wait for 0.5.6.5
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-13 23:57:43
Still no luck with and without the second /

Code: [Select]
Connected to Mobile Device (DID: 11, PID: 4753, Serial: 154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485)
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: Not implemented.) on:
applemobiledevice://154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485:private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F00/BDPF.mp3
Unable to open item for playback (I/O Error: Not implemented.):
"applemobiledevice://154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485:private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F00/BDPF.mp3"
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: Not implemented.) on:
applemobiledevice://154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485:/private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F00/BDPF.mp3
Unable to open item for playback (I/O Error: Not implemented.):
"applemobiledevice://154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485:/private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F00/BDPF.mp3"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-14 00:00:47
Yep that was an oversight in 0.5.6.4.. try 0.5.6.5 please
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-14 00:02:32
Ok, tried both with and without that slash (v0.5.6.5):
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Connected to Mobile Device (DID: 51, PID: 4753, Serial: c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef)
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 4 Path was: /private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F44/Beat.mp3) on:
applemobiledevice://c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef:/private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F44/Beat.mp3
Unable to open item for playback (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 4 Path was: /private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F44/Beat.mp3):
"applemobiledevice://c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef:/private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F44/Beat.mp3"
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 4 Path was: private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F44/Beat.mp3) on:
applemobiledevice://c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef:private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F44/Beat.mp3
Unable to open item for playback (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 4 Path was: private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F44/Beat.mp3):
"applemobiledevice://c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef:private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F44/Beat.mp3"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-14 00:04:17
Code: [Select]
 Connected to Mobile Device (DID: 12, PID: 4753, Serial: 154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485)
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 4 Path was: /private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F00/BDPF.mp3) on:
applemobiledevice://154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485:/private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F00/BDPF.mp3
Unable to open item for playback (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 4 Path was: /private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F00/BDPF.mp3):
"applemobiledevice://154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485:/private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F00/BDPF.mp3"
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 4 Path was: private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F00/BDPF.mp3) on:
applemobiledevice://154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485:private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F00/BDPF.mp3
Unable to open item for playback (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 4 Path was: private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F00/BDPF.mp3):
"applemobiledevice://154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485:private/var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/Music/F00/BDPF.mp3"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Murmur2k on 2008-02-14 00:04:20
Keep up the good work MusicMusic. I have a ipod touch 16GB and am quite prepared to let you remote into my PC in order to test!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kipcambodia on 2008-02-14 00:24:00
Thanks for all of your hard work on this great plugin!

I just have one question about adding album art... Is there a way for the source script to search for multiple types of album art files (cover.bmp, cover.jpg, cover.tif)?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-14 00:30:03
alphaex32 & pnjman: OK thanks for checking. I'm not sure what the cause of that error code is, I'll try and do some research and see if I can work it out what the problem is.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-14 00:37:33
Thanks for attempting it even though you don't have one yourself!! Good luck trying to get it sorted.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-14 01:10:32
Actually guys, what happens if you try just
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applemobiledevice://<serial>:/
?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-14 01:35:19
You mean dont actually point it to any specific file? I just tried that and get this, as I expected:

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported file format):
"applemobiledevice://c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef:/"

Btw, where did you get the idea to use "applemobiledevice://" ? Is that just from your own implementation that calls the service, or is it the official protocol? Just curious
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-14 10:08:38
You mean dont actually point it to any specific file? I just tried that and get this, as I expected:

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported file format):
"applemobiledevice://c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef:/"
I was hoping foobar would treat it as a directory.. alas no it thought it was a file, not too important at the moment anyway.

Anyway, it seems like the whole "/private/var/mobile/Media" part of the filename is not needed and was just wishful thinking on my part.. So can you try without it?

Also, I uploaded 0.5.6.6 which includes a directory lister in foo_dop prefs. Can you go there and put applemobiledevice://<serial>:/ as the path (with your serial) and press the dir button and see what is printed in the box below?

Btw, where did you get the idea to use "applemobiledevice://" ? Is that just from your own implementation that calls the service, or is it the official protocol? Just curious
It just an unimportant implementation detail I chose. The term "mobile device" is just the same one Apple uses.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-14 13:29:59
I tried a whole bunch of combos:
applemobiledevice://c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef:/iTunes_Control/Music/F44/Beat.mp3
applemobiledevice://c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef:iTunes_Control/Music/F44/Beat.mp3
applemobiledevice://c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef:/Music/F44/Beat.mp3
applemobiledevice://c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef:Music/F44/Beat.mp3

For all of them, I got the same I/O error as usual:
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 4...

I also tried this in the directory lister:
applemobiledevice://c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef:/
...and this was printed: Error: I/O Error: AFCDirectoryOpen returned: 4 Path was: /

Also thought I'd mention that if I use the wrong serial, I get this:  Error: Network not reachable
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-14 13:33:10
OK, thanks for checking, I'll have to work out what this elusive number 4 means..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-14 14:52:33
OK I fixed something in 0.5.6.7, it may help (or not..). I'd try the directory listing first.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-14 15:03:23
YES! The directory listing now works, and Ive tried it with a bunch of subdirectories and it seems fine. Also, when I try to add a file, it actually seems to be trying to read the metadata from the file. Unfortunately, it then crashes, but this is still a good sign I think. Here's the crash log:

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Illegal operation:
Code: C0000005h, flags: 00000000h, address: 014F0F70h
Access violation, operation: read, address: 00000000h
Call path:
threaded_process thread=>playlist_loader::g_process_path=>index_tracks_helper=>hintable
Code bytes (014F0F70h):
014F0F30h:  8B 54 24 18 8B 42 30 8D 4C 24 1C 51 8B 4C 24 18
014F0F40h:  8D 54 24 24 52 89 5C 24 28 89 5C 24 24 8B 50 60
014F0F50h:  51 83 CE FF 83 CF FF FF D2 83 C4 0C 85 C0 0F 85
014F0F60h:  7D 00 00 00 8B 44 24 20 B9 88 CE 51 01 8D 49 00
014F0F70h:  8A 10 3A 11 75 1A 84 D2 74 12 8A 50 01 3A 51 01
014F0F80h:  75 0E 83 C0 02 83 C1 02 84 D2 75 E4 33 C0 EB 05
014F0F90h:  1B C0 83 D8 FF 3B C3 75 15 8B 44 24 1C 6A 0A 6A
014F0FA0h:  FF 50 E8 09 B3 01 00 83 C4 0C 8B F0 33 FF 8B 4C
Stack (0DB4F3B4h):
0DB4F394h:  0012F6E4 7E423794 0012F6A0 7E423761
0DB4F3A4h:  0000000C 00990754 0081EC20 7E4194BE
0DB4F3B4h:  47B1F907 1000264C 01554A58 05F7690C
0DB4F3C4h:  004AE1FF 0D49BE88 01554A58 00000000
0DB4F3D4h:  00000000 00013F40 00000002 01553F40
0DB4F3E4h:  0DB4F494 079006C8 05F7690C 00000000
0DB4F3F4h:  004D3AC4 020728B0 014FC673 01550000
0DB4F404h:  002130C0 00000000 00000000 00000000
0DB4F414h:  00000000 47B70B67 0DB4F454 004B1011
0DB4F424h:  FFFFFFFF 0049397B 00493475 0DB4F494
0DB4F434h:  0DB4F46C 00493499 47B70B2F 1000264C
0DB4F444h:  05F7690C 0DB4F7F4 0DB4F6A4 015103C8
0DB4F454h:  FFFFFFFF 0DB4F6B0 01F83FB7 05F7690C
0DB4F464h:  1000264C 05F7690C 0DB4F7F4 00490D75
0DB4F474h:  0DB4F4C0 05F7690C 47B70BCF 05F7690C
0DB4F484h:  00000000 7E41FDFE 00000028 0000002A
0DB4F494h:  0AADFC50 079006C8 004C5498 0DB4F717
0DB4F4A4h:  0DB4F46C 00400000 0012F9B0 00990754
0DB4F4B4h:  00000000 0000004D 00000038 00000000
0DB4F4C4h:  00000000 00000000 00000000 0012F4FC
Registers:
EAX: 00000000, EBX: 00000000, ECX: 0151CE88, EDX: 00000000
ESI: 005362D0, EDI: 00000000, EBP: 0DB4F458, ESP: 0DB4F3B4
Crash location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0153F000h

Loaded modules:
foobar2000                      loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
ntdll                            loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
kernel32                        loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
COMCTL32                        loaded at 773D0000h - 774D3000h
msvcrt                          loaded at 77C10000h - 77C68000h
ADVAPI32                        loaded at 77DD0000h - 77E6B000h
RPCRT4                          loaded at 77E70000h - 77F02000h
Secur32                          loaded at 77FE0000h - 77FF1000h
GDI32                            loaded at 77F10000h - 77F57000h
USER32                          loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
SHLWAPI                          loaded at 77F60000h - 77FD6000h
SHELL32                          loaded at 7C9C0000h - 7D1D7000h
ole32                            loaded at 774E0000h - 7761D000h
shared                          loaded at 10000000h - 1002A000h
COMDLG32                        loaded at 763B0000h - 763F9000h
IMM32                            loaded at 76390000h - 763AD000h
AirfoilInject                    loaded at 00380000h - 003A8000h
winmm                            loaded at 76B40000h - 76B6D000h
dsound                          loaded at 73F10000h - 73F6C000h
VERSION                          loaded at 77C00000h - 77C08000h
MSCTF                            loaded at 74720000h - 7476B000h
msctfime                        loaded at 755C0000h - 755EE000h
foo_abx                          loaded at 00F20000h - 00F53000h
foo_albumlist                    loaded at 00F80000h - 00FE7000h
foo_appcommand                  loaded at 01010000h - 01026000h
foo_audioscrobbler              loaded at 01050000h - 01080000h
WS2_32                          loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
WS2HELP                          loaded at 71AA0000h - 71AA8000h
foo_autoplaylist                loaded at 010A0000h - 010D0000h
foo_cdda                        loaded at 010F0000h - 01125000h
foo_converter                    loaded at 01150000h - 011B8000h
foo_cwbowron                    loaded at 011E0000h - 01208000h
gdiplus                          loaded at 4EC50000h - 4EDF3000h
foo_cwb_hooks                    loaded at 01240000h - 0128C000h
foo_dbsearch                    loaded at 012B0000h - 01320000h
OLEAUT32                        loaded at 77120000h - 771AB000h
foo_dirwatch                    loaded at 01340000h - 0136E000h
foo_discogs                      loaded at 01390000h - 0142E000h
foo_dockable_panels              loaded at 01440000h - 01473000h
foo_dop                          loaded at 014A0000h - 0153F000h
SETUPAPI                        loaded at 77920000h - 77A13000h
UxTheme                          loaded at 5AD70000h - 5ADA8000h
foo_dsp_continuator              loaded at 01560000h - 01576000h
MSVCP80                          loaded at 7C420000h - 7C4A7000h
MSVCR80                          loaded at 78130000h - 781CB000h
foo_dsp_crossfader              loaded at 015A0000h - 015BA000h
MSVCR90                          loaded at 78520000h - 785C3000h
foo_dsp_skip_silence            loaded at 015E0000h - 015F3000h
libmmd                          loaded at 01610000h - 018C1000h
foo_dsp_soundtouch              loaded at 018E0000h - 01903000h
foo_dsp_std                      loaded at 01920000h - 01968000h
foo_dsp_vlevel                  loaded at 01990000h - 019B4000h
foo_dsp_vst~                    loaded at 019E0000h - 01A02000h
foo_dsp_winamp                  loaded at 01A30000h - 01A53000h
foo_dts                          loaded at 01A80000h - 01AD6000h
foo_etc                          loaded at 01AF0000h - 01B1A000h
CLBCATQ                          loaded at 76FD0000h - 7704F000h
COMRes                          loaded at 77050000h - 77115000h
vbscript                        loaded at 73300000h - 73365000h
SXS                              loaded at 75E90000h - 75F40000h
foo_exvar                        loaded at 01B60000h - 01B8E000h
foo_facets                      loaded at 01CB0000h - 01D30000h
MSIMG32                          loaded at 76380000h - 76385000h
foo_fileops                      loaded at 01D50000h - 01D96000h
foo_freedb2                      loaded at 01DC0000h - 01E01000h
foo_highlightplaying            loaded at 01E30000h - 01E51000h
foo_input_mslive                loaded at 01E80000h - 01F03000h
WMVCore                          loaded at 15110000h - 1536A000h
WMASF                            loaded at 11C70000h - 11CAA000h
foo_input_reverse                loaded at 01F20000h - 01F4E000h
foo_input_std                    loaded at 01F60000h - 02088000h
foo_input_wma                    loaded at 020B0000h - 020EF000h
foo_listeningto                  loaded at 02100000h - 02110000h
foo_masstag                      loaded at 02120000h - 0216F000h
foo_masstag_addons              loaded at 02190000h - 021AD000h
foo_masstag_replace              loaded at 021C0000h - 021F1000h
foo_menu_addons                  loaded at 02220000h - 0227D000h
foo_minimize_on_close            loaded at 02290000h - 022A6000h
foo_misc_addons                  loaded at 022D0000h - 0230C000h
foo_mlt                          loaded at 02320000h - 0232A000h
foo_navigator                    loaded at 02340000h - 02371000h
foo_playcount                    loaded at 023A0000h - 023C5000h
foo_playlist_bind                loaded at 023F0000h - 02415000h
foo_pqview                      loaded at 02430000h - 02458000h
foo_prettypop                    loaded at 02480000h - 024CD000h
mscoree                          loaded at 79000000h - 79046000h
msvcm80                          loaded at 7C4C0000h - 7C53D000h
mscorwks                        loaded at 79E70000h - 7A40A000h
mscorlib.ni                      loaded at 790C0000h - 79BE8000h
mscorjit                        loaded at 79060000h - 790B6000h
rsaenh                          loaded at 0FFD0000h - 0FFF8000h
foo_preview                      loaded at 04960000h - 04981000h
foo_quicktag                    loaded at 04A20000h - 04A5E000h
foo_removefromqueue              loaded at 04A80000h - 04A8A000h
foo_rgscan                      loaded at 04AA0000h - 04AF9000h
foo_run                          loaded at 04B20000h - 04B4E000h
foo_runcmd                      loaded at 04B70000h - 04B9F000h
foo_scrobblecharts              loaded at 04BC0000h - 04BF3000h
WININET                          loaded at 42C10000h - 42CDF000h
Normaliz                        loaded at 04C10000h - 04C19000h
iertutil                        loaded at 42990000h - 429D5000h
foo_snap                        loaded at 04E40000h - 04E56000h
foo_tlbRC                        loaded at 04E80000h - 04EA0000h
foo_trackpos                    loaded at 04EC0000h - 04EDF000h
foo_uie_albumart                loaded at 04F00000h - 04F3D000h
foo_uie_bookmarks                loaded at 04F60000h - 04FB3000h
foo_uie_explorer                loaded at 04FD0000h - 0500C000h
foo_uie_lyrics                  loaded at 05030000h - 0508F000h
foo_uie_lyrics_art              loaded at 050B0000h - 0517E000h
mscms                            loaded at 73B30000h - 73B45000h
WINSPOOL                        loaded at 73000000h - 73026000h
icm32                            loaded at 66E90000h - 66ED1000h
foo_uie_lyrics_panel            loaded at 051B0000h - 05214000h
foo_uie_panel_splitter          loaded at 05240000h - 05266000h
foo_uie_quicksearch              loaded at 05290000h - 052D6000h
foo_uie_typefind                loaded at 05300000h - 05330000h
foo_uie_vis_channel_spectrum    loaded at 05350000h - 05389000h
foo_uie_vis_projectm            loaded at 053B0000h - 053FA000h
OPENGL32                        loaded at 5ED00000h - 5EDCC000h
GLU32                            loaded at 68B20000h - 68B40000h
DDRAW                            loaded at 73760000h - 737A9000h
DCIMAN32                        loaded at 73BC0000h - 73BC6000h
foo_ui_columns                  loaded at 05B90000h - 05C98000h
foo_ui_std                      loaded at 05CC0000h - 05D81000h
foo_unpack                      loaded at 05DB0000h - 05DDD000h
foo_utils                        loaded at 05E00000h - 05E44000h
foo_vis_shpeck                  loaded at 05E70000h - 05EB0000h
foo_winamp_ipc                  loaded at 05ED0000h - 05EF2000h
foo_winamp_spam                  loaded at 05F20000h - 05F3F000h
System.ni                        loaded at 7A440000h - 7AC3E000h
System.Drawing.ni                loaded at 7ADE0000h - 7AF7C000h
System.Windows.Forms.ni          loaded at 7AFD0000h - 7BCA2000h
PopUpIcons                      loaded at 0A440000h - 0A446000h
WINTRUST                        loaded at 76C30000h - 76C5E000h
CRYPT32                          loaded at 77A80000h - 77B14000h
MSASN1                          loaded at 77B20000h - 77B32000h
IMAGEHLP                        loaded at 76C90000h - 76CB8000h
CoreFoundation                  loaded at 18000000h - 18110000h
WSOCK32                          loaded at 71AD0000h - 71AD9000h
YSFileShim                      loaded at 0A460000h - 0A46A000h
icuuc36                          loaded at 0AA00000h - 0AAC8000h
icudt36                          loaded at 0AFB0000h - 0B6B7000h
icuin36                          loaded at 0B6C0000h - 0B74D000h
pthreadGC2                      loaded at 0B750000h - 0B75F000h
libobjc.i386.A                  loaded at 22200000h - 2229D000h
iTunesMobileDevice              loaded at 0B860000h - 0B974000h
QuickTime                        loaded at 0B9A0000h - 0C80D000h
mswsock                          loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
hnetcfg                          loaded at 662B0000h - 66308000h
wshtcpip                        loaded at 71A90000h - 71A98000h
wdmaud                          loaded at 72D20000h - 72D29000h
msacm32                          loaded at 72D10000h - 72D18000h
MSACM32                          loaded at 77BE0000h - 77BF5000h
midimap                          loaded at 77BD0000h - 77BD7000h
KsUser                          loaded at 73EE0000h - 73EE4000h
mslbui                          loaded at 605D0000h - 605D9000h
awaysystemex                    loaded at 3AB00000h - 3AB25000h
DBGHELP                          loaded at 59A60000h - 59B01000h

Stack dump analysis:
Address: 1000264Ch, location: "shared", loaded at 10000000h - 1002A000h
Symbol: "uCallStackTracker::uCallStackTracker" (+00000000h)
Address: 004AE1FFh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004D3AC4h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 020728B0h, location: "foo_input_std", loaded at 01F60000h - 02088000h
Address: 014FC673h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0153F000h
Address: 004B1011h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0049397Bh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00493475h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00493499h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 1000264Ch, location: "shared", loaded at 10000000h - 1002A000h
Symbol: "uCallStackTracker::uCallStackTracker" (+00000000h)
Address: 015103C8h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0153F000h
Address: 01F83FB7h, location: "foo_input_std", loaded at 01F60000h - 02088000h
Address: 1000264Ch, location: "shared", loaded at 10000000h - 1002A000h
Symbol: "uCallStackTracker::uCallStackTracker" (+00000000h)
Address: 00490D75h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 7E41FDFEh, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "CreateWindowExW" (+000001D9h)
Address: 004C5498h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00400000h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 7E4188A6h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongW" (+00000000h)
Address: 7E41B3F9h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+000000BDh)
Address: 004E0734h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 7E41B3F9h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+000000BDh)
Address: 7E41B393h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+00000057h)
Address: 7E41B3A7h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+0000006Bh)
Address: 7E4188A6h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongW" (+00000000h)
Address: 7E440457h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DeregisterShellHookWindow" (+000001CFh)
Address: 7E41B3B0h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+00000074h)
Address: 00460684h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00403E81h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 7C9105C8h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+0000018Bh)
Address: 7C910551h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000114h)
Address: 7C91056Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 7C9105C8h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+0000018Bh)
Address: 7C910551h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000114h)
Address: 7C91056Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 7C812A5Bh, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "RaiseException" (+00000052h)
Address: 10002638h, location: "shared", loaded at 10000000h - 1002A000h
Symbol: "uPrintCrashInfo_SetDumpPath" (+000000C8h)
Address: 004C8418h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 010F4FEAh, location: "foo_cdda", loaded at 010F0000h - 01125000h
Address: 010F6F30h, location: "foo_cdda", loaded at 010F0000h - 01125000h
Address: 0041235Fh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0041236Ch, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0111C504h, location: "foo_cdda", loaded at 010F0000h - 01125000h
Address: 004AE1FFh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004B7942h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00490F59h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004C5498h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0048CC00h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004952A4h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004952FBh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00495316h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0111C504h, location: "foo_cdda", loaded at 010F0000h - 01125000h
Address: 0048CC00h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004B7C11h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0049139Ch, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004C5498h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00491627h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004CE188h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004CE18Ch, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0048AAD0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004D39E4h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004B7DC6h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004913F5h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004C5498h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00491627h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004C767Ch, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004B7E28h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00491635h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004AE117h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00491627h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004ACFD5h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00491627h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004ACCC1h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004E84D0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004AD816h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004E84D0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00491627h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004AD603h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00491627h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0049D530h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004ADB9Dh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004E84D0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004E84D0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004ADEF4h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004E84D0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0049EC4Ah, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004AE0E0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004E84D0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004ACCB1h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004E84D0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004E84D0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 7C9037BFh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlConvertUlongToLargeInteger" (+0000007Ah)
Address: 7C9037D8h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlConvertUlongToLargeInteger" (+00000093h)
Address: 7C90378Bh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlConvertUlongToLargeInteger" (+00000046h)
Address: 004B7ED0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 7C937860h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "LdrAddRefDll" (+00000247h)
Address: 004B7ED0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 7C800000h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Address: 7C8000E8h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Address: 7C808F8Eh, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "DecodePointer" (+00000006h)
Address: 7C919A9Ch, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "towlower" (+00000330h)
Address: 7C800000h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Address: 7C900000h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Address: 7C919B3Fh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "towlower" (+000003D3h)
Address: 7C97C0D8h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Address: 7C919AEBh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "towlower" (+0000037Fh)
Address: 3AB16388h, location: "awaysystemex", loaded at 3AB00000h - 3AB25000h
Address: 7C90EAFAh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "KiUserExceptionDispatcher" (+0000000Eh)
Address: 7C812A5Bh, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "RaiseException" (+00000052h)
Address: 7C90EE18h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+00000117h)
Address: 7C812A5Bh, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "RaiseException" (+00000052h)
Address: 7C910000h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlNtStatusToDosErrorNoTeb" (+00000477h)
Address: 7C90EE18h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+00000117h)
Address: 7C910738h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlAllocateHeap" (+00000164h)
Address: 7C910732h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlAllocateHeap" (+0000015Eh)
Address: 7C9106ABh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlAllocateHeap" (+000000D7h)
Address: 7C9106EBh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlAllocateHeap" (+00000117h)
Address: 7C9105D4h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlAllocateHeap" (+00000000h)
Address: 7E41FDFEh, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "CreateWindowExW" (+000001D9h)
Address: 00400000h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 7E4188A6h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongW" (+00000000h)
Address: 7E41B3F9h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+000000BDh)
Address: 004E0734h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 7E41B3F9h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+000000BDh)
Address: 7E41B393h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+00000057h)
Address: 7E41B3A7h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+0000006Bh)
Address: 7E4188A6h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongW" (+00000000h)
Address: 7E440457h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DeregisterShellHookWindow" (+000001CFh)
Address: 7E41B3B0h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+00000074h)
Address: 00460684h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00403E81h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 7C9105C8h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+0000018Bh)
Address: 7C910551h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000114h)
Address: 7C91056Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 7E423745h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "PrivateExtractIconExW" (+000002B2h)
Address: 7E423794h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "PrivateExtractIconExW" (+00000301h)
Address: 7E423761h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "PrivateExtractIconExW" (+000002CEh)
Address: 7E4194BEh, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongA" (+00000061h)
Address: 004C520Bh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 7C812A5Bh, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "RaiseException" (+00000052h)
Address: 0040405Eh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0044E6C8h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0041235Fh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0041236Ch, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004C520Bh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004AE1FFh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0049F2D9h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00490C26h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004D0BE8h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004D39F0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004C767Ch, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004D39F0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004EDBA8h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004B1130h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00491621h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004B7ED0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0045AB3Dh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004B7F4Ah, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00460928h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 10002638h, location: "shared", loaded at 10000000h - 1002A000h
Symbol: "uPrintCrashInfo_SetDumpPath" (+000000C8h)
Address: 004CF080h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004B086Ch, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004608D1h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004AE1CFh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 7C80B683h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "GetModuleFileNameA" (+000001B4h)
Address: 7C839AA8h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "ValidateLocale" (+000002B0h)
Address: 7C80B690h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "GetModuleFileNameA" (+000001C1h)
Address: 004608ACh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h

Version info:
foobar2000 v0.9.5.1 beta 1
UNICODE
Windows 5.1


Additional info:
Remove from Queue 1  (foo_removefromqueue)
Converter 1.1  (foo_converter)
Main window snapping 0.1  (foo_snap)
Facets 2008-01-25  (foo_facets)
Miranda ListeningTo foobar2000 Plugin 1.0  (foo_mlt)
RAR reader 1.1  (foo_unpack)
SoundTouch DSP 0.1 (Intel SSE)  (foo_dsp_soundtouch)
Menu Addons 0.4 (Intel SSE)  (foo_menu_addons)
Last.fm Chart Player 0.2.3  (foo_scrobblecharts)
Winamp DSP Bridge 1.4.1  (foo_dsp_winamp)
Gapless Crossfader 0.3.3.5 (SSE)  (foo_dsp_crossfader)
Reverse Playback 0.1.3 (Intel SSE)  (foo_input_reverse)
Extended Variables 0.3  (foo_exvar)
Minimize On Close 0.2  (foo_minimize_on_close)
Directory watcher 0.2 beta 3  (foo_dirwatch)
Playback Statistics 2.0  (foo_playcount)
Run Command 1.0 beta 2  (foo_runcmd)
Run services 0.3.3  (foo_run)
Winamp IPC emulator 0.1.0  (foo_winamp_ipc)
Autoplaylist Manager 1.0  (foo_autoplaylist)
Playlist Tools 0.6.2 beta 6  (foo_utils)
Continuator 0.5.0  (foo_dsp_continuator)
foo_etc 0.02 alpha  (foo_etc)
Audioscrobbler 1.3.15  (foo_audioscrobbler)
Columns UI 0.2.1 alpha 11 preview 2  (foo_ui_columns)
Navigator 0.6  (foo_navigator)
Track Positioner 1.0  (foo_trackpos)
Masstagger Replace 0.0.1  (foo_masstag_replace)
ReplayGain Scanner 2.0.3  (foo_rgscan)
Acro WMA decoder 0.1.7.1 (Intel SSE)  (foo_input_wma)
Database Search 1.4  (foo_dbsearch)
Typefind 0.2 beta 2  (foo_uie_typefind)
Quick Tagger 1.0  (foo_quicktag)
Playlist Bind 3.2  (foo_playlist_bind)
iPod manager 0.5.6.7 TEST  (foo_dop)
Album Art Panel 0.2.7.1  (foo_uie_albumart)
Explorer Tree 1.04.6b  (foo_uie_explorer)
Panel Stack Splitter 0.1.2(alpha)  (foo_uie_panel_splitter)
Winamp API Emulator 0.90  (foo_winamp_spam)
Lyrics panel 0.34  (foo_uie_lyrics_panel)
ListeningTo 0.1.1  (foo_listeningto)
Misc. Addons 0.1 (Intel SSE)  (foo_misc_addons)
Masstagger 1.6  (foo_masstag)
ZIP/GZIP reader 1.0  (foo_unpack)
APPCOMMAND multimedia key support 0.1  (foo_appcommand)
Bookmarks 0.2.4.1  (foo_uie_bookmarks)
TLB Remote Control 2.1  (foo_tlbRC)
Album List 4.2  (foo_albumlist)
File Operations 2.1  (foo_fileops)
Default User Interface 0.9.5  (foo_ui_std)
ABX Comparator 1.3.1  (foo_abx)
Highlight playing 0.1.0  (foo_highlightplaying)
foobar2000 core 0.9.5.1 beta 1  (Core)
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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-14 15:26:13
Great! So iTunes_Control is in the root folder? Does the directory lister correctly differentiate files and folder?

Thanks, I fixed that crash bug in 0.5.6.8.

If you can get the file added to the playlist now, please also check that the filesize and last modified time is displayed correctly.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-14 15:41:45
Wow, great job. Here, for example, is the first item in the directory listing of the itunes_control directory. Not sure why it adds the double slashes.
applemobiledevice://c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef://iTunes_Control/Music/F00

I can add files to the playlists now and the metadata is read. Filesize looks fine, but date modified is <invalid timestamp>. Also, when I just add the directory as the location, it doesnt seem to add all the files. It skips certain ones for some reason. Im trying to work out if there is a pattern to this behavior. Oh, and I cant get the files to actually play. They do nothing when double clicked. For some reason one of them played the first time I added it, but now I cant reproduce that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-14 16:20:25
OK great, I fixed a few things based on what you reported in 0.5.6.9 (not sure what the precise effects will be of those fixes though), also not sure what the exact issue with playback is. Is there no error at all (even in the console) ?

Also, with regards to the directory lister it is meant to prefix folders with <dir> (try in on a local path to see what I mean).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-14 18:15:01
I had a go with 0.5.6.9

I could add individual songs and get them to play, all had invalid time stamp. If I then add a directory it either adds only a few songs to the play list or none at all. After this the indidiual songs won't play anymore, giving this error

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Unable to open item for playback (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 3 Path was: //iTunes_Control/Music/F00/OQRE.mp3):
"applemobiledevice://154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485://iTunes_Control/Music/F00/OQRE.mp3"


If I restart foobar the individual songs can be played again.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-14 19:26:31
Yeah, I'm seeing the same behavior as pnjman. It will load only some files, and won't play them until I restart foobar (I get error 3 otherwise).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-14 20:45:00
OK it sounds like something is going majorly wrong during the directory listing, but I haven't been able to pinpoint the cause.

So, if you add a file directly to the playlist it plays but as soon as you add a directory they don't play anymore with error 3.

Does listing a directory from the prefs page have the same effect? Also, are all files listed correctly there, and does it prefix directories with "<dir>" now, and is it still adding double slashes in places (if so, please tell me the path you inputted and one of the paths from the output)?

I fixed a bug in 0.5.6.10 however I don't believe it is related to these problems.

I added a stats button in the prefs page as well, if you could run that on a file and paste the output it would help me fix the last modified time thing.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: al98 on 2008-02-14 21:13:11
Hello, currently having 1 problem with sending videos to the right place. I'm using an iPod 6G. The file format is h.264 and I've set the Show to be as for example "Family Guy".

I'm not sure what information you need, sorry.

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-14 21:35:31
Quote
So, if you add a file directly to the playlist it plays but as soon as you add a directory they don't play anymore with error 3.

This is correct.
Quote
Does listing a directory from the prefs page have the same effect?

No; files still play fine after this.
Quote
are all files listed correctly there

It appears that all files are listed ok.
Quote
does it prefix directories with "<dir>" now, and is it still adding double slashes in places


Input
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applemobiledevice://154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485://iTunes_Control/Music/

Output
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<dir> applemobiledevice://154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485://iTunes_Control/Music/F00


Stats on a file

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applemobiledevice://154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485://iTunes_Control/Music/F00/OQRE.mp3


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st_size=2501849
st_blocks=4888
st_ifmt=S_IFREG


Forgot to say, all seems to be good with the latest update! 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-14 21:36:34
Awesome, it looks like that small bugfix has resolved all the issues I was having. The files all load now, and play just fine from what I can tell. The double slashes in the directory listing is gone, and <dir> is showing correctly.

Heres the stats and listing of one of my directories with a file:
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st_size=102
st_blocks=0
st_ifmt=S_IFDIR

applemobiledevice://c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef:/iTunes_Control/Music/F44/Beat.mp3
Very impressive!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-14 22:46:31
Aha that's all great  It does make sense why that fix fixed this actually.

However, there doesn't seem to be any way to retrieve the last modified time of the files.

Next thing to test is file writing, however I need to make a change to implement writing new files. Writing existing files may be working, pnjman, it is maybe easier for you to get a test mp3 onto your iPod, if so you can try tagging that within foobar2000 and see what happens to the file (I assume foobar doesn't rewrite the whole file, which would go down the new file route).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-14 23:13:01
I've tried tagging a file, bad news. I changed the date on a file, it took a long long time to update. I then tried reloading the file info and it reverted back to the original date. Then it wouldn't play, tried adding it as a location again and it would appear; the file still appears when browsing the directory. The file will also not play on the ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-14 23:54:29
Hmm, I would guess something relating to seeking in the file is not working correctly. I made a version here (http://yuo.be/download/F1E8BB5B-E0D5-4d81-866D-B7823F96204E/foo_dop-0.5.6.10-SPECIAL.7z) which logs all I/O to the console, can you try the same test with this and paste the output from the console here. Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-15 00:01:03
Here you go

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Connected to Mobile Device (DID: 3, PID: 4753, Serial: 154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485)
AFCFileRefOpen called. Handle: 1, Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 10, Read: 10, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 2188, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefTell called. Handle: 1, Position: 2188, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 16384, Read: 16384, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefTell called. Handle: 1, Position: 18572, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 2605, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 4, Read: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 2188, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 4, Read: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 413, Read: 413, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 2188, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 2605, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 4, Read: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefTell called. Handle: 1, Position: 2609, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 10, Read: 10, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 2188, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 2188, Read: 2188, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 2188, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 3316112, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 3316080, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 32, Read: 32, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 3315786, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 294, Read: 294, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 3315626, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 128, Read: 128, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 3315626, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 128, Read: 128, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 2609, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefClose called. Handle: 1, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen called. Handle: 1, Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 10, Read: 10, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 2188, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 2188, Read: 2188, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefClose called. Handle: 1, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen called. Handle: 1, Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 0, Read: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefClose called. Handle: 1, Ret: 0
Image loading failure: bad allocation
Image loading failure: bad allocation
AFCFileRefOpen called. Handle: 1, Mode: 3, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 10, Read: 10, Ret: 12
AFCFileRefClose called. Handle: 1, Ret: 12
Image loading failure: bad allocation
AFCFileRefOpen called. Handle: 0, Mode: 2, Ret: 12
Unable to open item for playback (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 12 Path was: //iTunes_Control/Music/F00/AVTK.mp3):
"applemobiledevice://154e9c302b118c8a51e90012758c8a8e3d35a485://iTunes_Control/Music/F00/AVTK.mp3"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-15 00:29:19
Thanks!

So was that a good file beforehand? Are you able to find out what has happened to the file (i.e. what size is it now?)

I will probably have to just devise/write some test which will work out all the answers.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-15 01:26:15
OK I made a version with a special test which should answer a few questions. If either of you run this version (http://yuo.be/download/F1E8BB5B-E0D5-4d81-866D-B7823F96204E/foo_dop-0.5.6.10-SPECIAL-2.7z) and click on "Run I/O Test" on the prefs page and paste the results back here it would be helpful. It just creates a few four byte files, reads them back and deletes them so should be fairly painless.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-15 01:52:51
No problem 
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Starting write tests...
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 0, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 1, Ret: 8
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 3, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 5, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 6, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 7, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 8, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 9, Ret: 7

Starting write tests 2...
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 0, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 1, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 3, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 5, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 6, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 7, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 8, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 9, Ret: 7

Starting read tests...
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 0, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 1, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 3, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 5, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 6, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 7, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 8, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 9, Ret: 7
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-15 02:01:36
Thanks! That answered a few questions, but unfortunately there was a problem in my test so it didn't run as fully as it should have. Can you run it again with this version (http:///yuo.be/download/F1E8BB5B-E0D5-4d81-866D-B7823F96204E/foo_dop-0.5.6.10-SPECIAL-3.7z) ?

No rush BTW, sorry about the million versions it's just slightly difficult when I can't actually test my own code ..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-15 02:27:00
Just an FYI, the new I/O test took a lot longer than before. Im guessing there a logical reason for this. Anyway, results:
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Starting write tests...
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 0, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 1, Ret: 8
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 3, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 5, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 6, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 7, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 8, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 9, Ret: 7

Starting write tests 2...
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 0, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 1, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 3, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 0Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 0Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 5, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 6, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 7, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 8, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 9, Ret: 7

Starting read tests...
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 0, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 1, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 3, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 12
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-15 02:41:25
OK thanks. There seems to be missing a few lines at the end of the log however.

Just to add some value to your testing, I am working out what the different modes of opening files are. From your last one it seems like:

mode 1 = read only
mode 2 = read + write
mode 3 = write new
mode 4 = write new
mode 5 = write + ?
mode 6 = write + ?

I don't know where those missing lines went but this is quite helpful.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-15 02:49:47
I just ran it again, and Im getting the same log as the one I posted....no lines missing on my end. Btw, I needed to disconect an reconnect the ipod before the test worked a second time. Otherwise, I get this:
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Starting write tests...
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 0, Ret: 12
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 1, Ret: 12
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 2, Ret: 12
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 3, Ret: 12
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 4, Ret: 12
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 5, Ret: 12
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 6, Ret: 12
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 7, Ret: 12
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 8, Ret: 12
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 9, Ret: 12

Starting write tests 2...

Starting read tests...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-15 03:00:18
Ah OK that explains things (trying to read in mode 3 = death)

Great! Thanks for that, hopefully I can get the file writing stuff working correctly now.

So not too sure on the significance of mode 4-6 but I'll save that for some other time
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-15 08:47:51
Not sure if you need the lastest test running again but here you go anyway.
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Starting write tests...
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 0, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 1, Ret: 8
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 3, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 5, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 6, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 7, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 8, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 9, Ret: 7

Starting write tests 2...
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 0, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 1, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 3, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 0Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 0Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 5, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 6, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 7, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 8, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 9, Ret: 7

Starting read tests...
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 0, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 1, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 3, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 12
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-15 13:08:15
Great!

So I've released 0.5.6.11, changes are:
* Re jigged the file open modes and added some safety checks. This should have some effect on the file writing stuff (like hopefully working ).
* Updated the I/O Test which should help fill in some of the remaining gaps. It may still not complete like the last test however, but that is unavoidable.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-15 13:39:41
I tried retagging a file, and it doesnt seem to have an effect. The tagging window closes fine, and there are no freeze ups now, but the file remains unchanged. Here the I/O test:
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Starting write test...
AFCFileRefOpen: Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4, Pattern: 123123123Ret: 0

Starting write tests 2...
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 1, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 3, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 5, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 6, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4, Ret: 0

Starting read tests...
AFCFileRefOpen: Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 6, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen: Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 5, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4, Ret: 12
AFCFileRefOpen: Ret: 12
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-15 14:46:28
OK, let's see what is going on then. I made a version (http://yuo.be/download/F1E8BB5B-E0D5-4d81-866D-B7823F96204E/foo_dop-0.5.6.11-SPECIAL.7z) with the tracing in the console again, so if you could:
1. Select the file to tag and open the properties.
2. Open the console & clear it.
3. Modify the tags on the file.
4. Paste the output from the console here.

There's also an updated I/O test, it should only be a few lines however it may still cause the problem you had before (= connection to iPod lost I think) so do this last/separately.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-15 17:36:38
Here's the console output from the attempted tag editing:
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Properties dialog refresh: 0:00.000071
Properties dialog display refresh: 0:00.001172
AFCFileRefOpen called. Handle: 1, Path: /iTunes_Control/Music/F45/Beat.mp3, Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 10, Read: 10, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefTell called. Handle: 1, Position: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 16384, Read: 16384, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefTell called. Handle: 1, Position: 496853, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 481513, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 4, Read: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 4, Read: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 1040, Read: 1040, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefTell called. Handle: 1, Position: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 10, Read: 10, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 480469, Read: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666424, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666392, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 32, Read: 32, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666296, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 128, Read: 128, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666264, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 32, Read: 32, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 10, Read: 10, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 480469, Read: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666424, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666392, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 32, Read: 32, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666296, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 128, Read: 128, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666264, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 32, Read: 32, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666424, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666392, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 32, Read: 32, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666296, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 128, Read: 128, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666264, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 32, Read: 32, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666168, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 128, Read: 128, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSetFileSize called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666296, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666296, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 128, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefTell called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666424, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSetFileSize called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666424, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 10, Read: 10, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 480469, Read: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefTell called. Handle: 1, Position: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 10, Read: 10, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 0, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 480469, Read: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666424, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666392, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 32, Read: 32, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666296, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 128, Read: 128, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 5666264, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead called. Handle: 1, Requested bytes: 32, Read: 32, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefSeek called. Handle: 1, Position: 480469, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefClose called. Handle: 1, Ret: 0
Properties dialog refresh: 0:00.000269
Properties dialog display refresh: 0:00.002132
And here's the I/O test:
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Starting read tests...
AFCFileRefOpen: Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 0, Ret: 0
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-15 18:40:12
That actually looks OK. I'm thinking that due to the lack of last modified timestamps, foobar is not automatically seeing the change after tagging it. Have you tried forcing a reload of it?

OK that test has pretty much completed my table:
mode 1 = read
mode 2 = read + write
mode 3 = write new
mode 4 = write new + read
mode 5 = write
mode 6 = read + write

Great
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-15 19:00:08
Hmm, I just noticed that the changes im making were showing up in mp3tag, but not in foobar, even after I reload them from the ipod. Mp3tag is telling me that the tags (which show up with the changes) are v2.4. Not sure why foobar isnt detecting them. I've tried changing my tag writing scheme settings, but no combination ive tried has worked. Also, I just checked, and files not on the ipod are getting tagged just fine. Maybe the ipod formats the tags in a strange way?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-15 19:05:24
Have you tried "Tagging / Reload info from File(s)" in the foobar2000 context menu on the file?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-15 19:08:27
Hehe, my bad. That worked. I guess I figured it would reload the tags if I reimported the files. I guess now youve gotta work on getting the database to update. Good luck
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-15 19:16:37
More tests 0.5.6.10

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Starting write tests...
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 0, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 1, Ret: 8
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 3, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 5, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 6, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefWrite Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 7, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 8, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 9, Ret: 7

Starting write tests 2...
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 0, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 1, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 3, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 0Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 0Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 5, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 6, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 7, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 8, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 9, Ret: 7

Starting read tests...
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 0, Ret: 7
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 1, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 2, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 3, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 4Ret: 12


I/O test

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Starting read tests...
AFCFileRefOpen: Ret: 0
AFCFileRefOpen Mode: 4, Ret: 0
AFCFileRefRead Read: 0, Ret: 0
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-15 19:32:14
Hehe, my bad. That worked. I guess I figured it would reload the tags if I reimported the files. I guess now youve gotta work on getting the database to update. Good luck

Nice  It's just a problem because of the lack of last modified times, however I can't fix that, though it isn't particularly important.

Now to move on to more important things!

1. I assume you both have some utility to browse and copy files from the iPod? If so, can you have a browse around and see if there is a file with extension .plist that looks similar to the XML file here (http://ipodlinux.org/Device_information)?
2. With your iPod connected to your computer, can you fire up Device manager and put it in "devices by connection" view. Expand the entries and locate the USB controllers. Child to one of the USB hubs should be your iPod. (There may be a 'Apple iPod USB Driver' first, the actual iPod is the one directly descending from that.) Double click it and head over to the details tab. One of the entries will be "Device Instance Path" (or Id) - if you have the right node in device manager it should start with "USB\VID_05AC&PID_1291". Can you copy and paste the complete string here?

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-15 20:05:50
Is this what you are after? There are a lot of this type of files.

From USBDeviceConfiguration.plist

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
    <key>iPhone1,1</key>
    <dict>
        <key>ConfigurationDescriptors</key>
        <array>
            <dict>
                <key>Description</key>
                <string>PTP</string>
                <key>Interfaces</key>
                <array>
                    <string>PTP</string>
                </array>
            </dict>
            <dict>
                <key>AccessoryResistorSwap</key>
                <true/>
                <key>Description</key>
                <string>iPod USB Interface</string>
                <key>Interfaces</key>
                <array>
                    <string>USBAudioControl</string>
                    <string>USBAudioStreaming</string>
                    <string>IapOverUsbHid</string>
                </array>
            </dict>
            <dict>
                <key>Description</key>
                <string>PTP + Apple Mobile Device</string>
                <key>Interfaces</key>
                <array>
                    <string>PTP</string>
                    <string>AppleUSBMux</string>
                </array>
            </dict>
        </array>
        <key>DebugCreateSerialNumber</key>
        <false/>
        <key>deviceID</key>
        <integer>1</integer>
        <key>manufacturerString</key>
        <string>Apple Inc.</string>
        <key>productID</key>
        <integer>4752</integer>
        <key>productString</key>
        <string>iPhone</string>
        <key>vendorID</key>
        <integer>1452</integer>
    </dict>
    <key>iPod1,1</key>
    <dict>
        <key>ConfigurationDescriptors</key>
        <array>
            <dict>
                <key>Description</key>
                <string>PTP</string>
                <key>Interfaces</key>
                <array>
                    <string>PTP</string>
                </array>
            </dict>
            <dict>
                <key>AccessoryResistorSwap</key>
                <true/>
                <key>Description</key>
                <string>iPod USB Interface</string>
                <key>Interfaces</key>
                <array>
                    <string>USBAudioControl</string>
                    <string>USBAudioStreaming</string>
                    <string>IapOverUsbHid</string>
                </array>
            </dict>
            <dict>
                <key>Description</key>
                <string>PTP + Apple Mobile Device</string>
                <key>Interfaces</key>
                <array>
                    <string>PTP</string>
                    <string>AppleUSBMux</string>
                </array>
            </dict>
        </array>
        <key>DebugCreateSerialNumber</key>
        <false/>
        <key>deviceID</key>
        <integer>1</integer>
        <key>manufacturerString</key>
        <string>Apple Inc.</string>
        <key>productID</key>
        <integer>4753</integer>
        <key>productString</key>
        <string>iPod</string>
        <key>vendorID</key>
        <integer>1452</integer>
    </dict>
    <key>iPhone1,2</key>
    <dict>
        <key>ConfigurationDescriptors</key>
        <array>
            <dict>
                <key>Description</key>
                <string>PTP</string>
                <key>Interfaces</key>
                <array>
                    <string>PTP</string>
                </array>
            </dict>
            <dict>
                <key>AccessoryResistorSwap</key>
                <true/>
                <key>Description</key>
                <string>iPod USB Interface</string>
                <key>Interfaces</key>
                <array>
                    <string>USBAudioControl</string>
                    <string>USBAudioStreaming</string>
                    <string>IapOverUsbHid</string>
                </array>
            </dict>
            <dict>
                <key>Description</key>
                <string>PTP + Apple Mobile Device</string>
                <key>Interfaces</key>
                <array>
                    <string>PTP</string>
                    <string>AppleUSBMux</string>
                </array>
            </dict>
        </array>
        <key>DebugCreateSerialNumber</key>
        <false/>
        <key>deviceID</key>
        <integer>1</integer>
        <key>manufacturerString</key>
        <string>Apple Inc.</string>
        <key>productID</key>
        <integer>4754</integer>
        <key>productString</key>
        <string>iPhone</string>
        <key>vendorID</key>
        <integer>1452</integer>
    </dict>
</dict>
</plist>


Not sure about the second part, either

USB composite device: USB\VID_0425&PID_0101\5&25047430&0&2
or
USB mass storage device: USB\VID_05E3&PID_0710\000000003299
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-15 20:27:27
Is this what you are after? There are a lot of this type of files.

From USBDeviceConfiguration.plist
Whilst that is intriguing, it isn't what I am looking for really. I am not sure if it is stored on the disk but there is a chance it is - are there any of these files in the "mobile" directory that foo_dop sees? What I need should be similar in content to the one on that link I gave, specifically I am looking for one with those "<key>AlbumArt</key>" entries, but it may not be on the disk in which case don't worry.

Not sure about the second part, either

USB composite device: USB\VID_0425&PID_0101\5&25047430&0&2
or
USB mass storage device: USB\VID_05E3&PID_0710\000000003299
Neither of those is the right one unfortunately. Alternatively you should be able to find the info I need through regedit, if you go to the key HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Enum\USB there should be a key descending from that starting with "VID_05AC&PID_1291". I need to know this exists and also the text of the key directly descending from that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-15 20:33:11
Pnjman's probably gonna need to take care of a lot of the filesystem testing. Mine isnt jailbroken, and the only way for me to view the ipod filesystem through your preferences page. Although I can use foobars copy command to get database files and stuff off of the ipod.
Anyway, I think I found the IDs you were looking for (it was called Apple iPod in device manager)

Device Instance Ids:
USB\VID_05AC&PID_1291\C3FA1C5AA2356B00C60D564805B8A00C4C244FEF
(I just noticed that the last part is the same as my ipod serial #, btw)

Hardware Ids:
USB\VID_05ac&Pid_1291&Rev_0001
USB\VID_05ac&Pid_1291
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-15 20:42:49
This perhaps?

[code]<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
   <key>64Bit</key>
   <integer>3</integer>
   <key>AlbumArt</key>
   <array>
      <string>3005</string>
      <dict>
         <key>AlignRowBytes</key>
         <true/>
         <key>BackColor</key>
         <string>00000000</string>
         <key>ColorAdjustment</key>
         <integer>0</integer>
         <key>Crop</key>
         <false/>
         <key>ExcludedFormats</key>
         <integer>20</integer>
         <key>FormatId</key>
         <integer>3005</integer>
         <key>GammaAdjustment</key>
         <real>2.2000000000000002</real>
         <key>Interlaced</key>
         <false/>
         <key>OffsetAlignment</key>
         <integer>4096</integer>
         <key>PixelFormat</key>
         <string>4C353535</string>
         <key>RenderHeight</key>
         <integer>320</integer>
         <key>RenderWidth</key>
         <integer>320</integer>
         <key>RowBytesAlignment</key>
         <integer>16</integer>
         <key>Sizing</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
      </dict>
      <string>3006</string>
      <dict>
         <key>AlignRowBytes</key>
         <true/>
         <key>BackColor</key>
         <string>FFFFFFFF</string>
         <key>ColorAdjustment</key>
         <integer>0</integer>
         <key>Crop</key>
         <false/>
         <key>ExcludedFormats</key>
         <integer>20</integer>
         <key>FormatId</key>
         <integer>3006</integer>
         <key>GammaAdjustment</key>
         <real>2.2000000000000002</real>
         <key>Interlaced</key>
         <false/>
         <key>OffsetAlignment</key>
         <integer>4096</integer>
         <key>PixelFormat</key>
         <string>4C353535</string>
         <key>RenderHeight</key>
         <integer>55</integer>
         <key>RenderWidth</key>
         <integer>55</integer>
         <key>RowBytesAlignment</key>
         <integer>16</integer>
         <key>Sizing</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
      </dict>
      <string>3007</string>
      <dict>
         <key>AlignRowBytes</key>
         <true/>
         <key>AssociatedFormat</key>
         <integer>2</integer>
         <key>BackColor</key>
         <string>00000000</string>
         <key>ColorAdjustment</key>
         <integer>0</integer>
         <key>Crop</key>
         <false/>
         <key>FormatId</key>
         <integer>3007</integer>
         <key>GammaAdjustment</key>
         <real>2.2000000000000002</real>
         <key>Interlaced</key>
         <false/>
         <key>OffsetAlignment</key>
         <integer>4096</integer>
         <key>PixelFormat</key>
         <string>4C353535</string>
         <key>RenderHeight</key>
         <integer>88</integer>
         <key>RenderWidth</key>
         <integer>88</integer>
         <key>RowBytesAlignment</key>
         <integer>16</integer>
         <key>Sizing</key>
         <integer>2</integer>
      </dict>
      <string>3001</string>
      <dict>
         <key>AlignRowBytes</key>
         <true/>
         <key>BackColor</key>
         <string>00000000</string>
         <key>BottomInset</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
         <key>ColorAdjustment</key>
         <integer>0</integer>
         <key>Crop</key>
         <false/>
         <key>ExcludedFormats</key>
         <integer>20</integer>
         <key>FormatId</key>
         <integer>3001</integer>
         <key>GammaAdjustment</key>
         <real>2.2000000000000002</real>
         <key>Interlaced</key>
         <false/>
         <key>LeftInset</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
         <key>OffsetAlignment</key>
         <integer>4096</integer>
         <key>PixelFormat</key>
         <string>4C353535</string>
         <key>PixelOrder</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
         <key>RenderHeight</key>
         <integer>256</integer>
         <key>RenderWidth</key>
         <integer>256</integer>
         <key>RightInset</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
         <key>RowBytesAlignment</key>
         <integer>16</integer>
         <key>Sizing</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
         <key>TopInset</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
      </dict>
      <string>3002</string>
      <dict>
         <key>AlignRowBytes</key>
         <true/>
         <key>BackColor</key>
         <string>00000000</string>
         <key>BottomInset</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
         <key>ColorAdjustment</key>
         <integer>0</integer>
         <key>Crop</key>
         <false/>
         <key>ExcludedFormats</key>
         <integer>20</integer>
         <key>FormatId</key>
         <integer>3002</integer>
         <key>GammaAdjustment</key>
         <real>2.2000000000000002</real>
         <key>Interlaced</key>
         <false/>
         <key>LeftInset</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
         <key>OffsetAlignment</key>
         <integer>4096</integer>
         <key>PixelFormat</key>
         <string>4C353535</string>
         <key>PixelOrder</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
         <key>RenderHeight</key>
         <integer>128</integer>
         <key>RenderWidth</key>
         <integer>128</integer>
         <key>RightInset</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
         <key>RowBytesAlignment</key>
         <integer>16</integer>
         <key>Sizing</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
         <key>TopInset</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
      </dict>
      <string>3003</string>
      <dict>
         <key>AlignRowBytes</key>
         <true/>
         <key>BackColor</key>
         <string>00000000</string>
         <key>BottomInset</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
         <key>ColorAdjustment</key>
         <integer>0</integer>
         <key>Crop</key>
         <false/>
         <key>ExcludedFormats</key>
         <integer>20</integer>
         <key>FormatId</key>
         <integer>3003</integer>
         <key>GammaAdjustment</key>
         <real>2.2000000000000002</real>
         <key>Interlaced</key>
         <false/>
         <key>LeftInset</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
         <key>OffsetAlignment</key>
         <integer>4096</integer>
         <key>PixelFormat</key>
         <string>4C353535</string>
         <key>PixelOrder</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
         <key>RenderHeight</key>
         <integer>64</integer>
         <key>RenderWidth</key>
         <integer>64</integer>
         <key>RightInset</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
         <key>RowBytesAlignment</key>
         <integer>16</integer>
         <key>Sizing</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
         <key>TopInset</key>
         <integer>1</integer>
      </dict>
   </array>
   <key>AppleDRMVersion</key>
   <dict>
      <key>Format</key>
      <integer>2</integer>
      <key>Maximum</key>
      <integer>4</integer>
      <key>Minimum</key>
      <integer>0</integer>
   </dict>
   <key>AudioCodecs</key>
   <dict>
      <key>AAC</key>
      <dict>
         <key>AppleDRM</key>
         <true/>
         <key>LC</key>
         <dict>
            <key>PerceptualNoiseSubsitution</key>
            <true/>
            <key>VariableBitRate</key>
            <true/>
         </dict>
         <key>MaximumSampleRate</key>
         <integer>48000</integer>
      </dict>
      <key>AIFF</key>
      <dict>
         <key>MaximumBitDepth</key>
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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-15 20:50:44
Device Instance Ids:
USB\VID_05AC&PID_1291\C3FA1C5AA2356B00C60D564805B8A00C4C244FEF
(I just noticed that the last part is the same as my ipod serial #, btw)
Ah yep that's the one  This worked out quite nicely, thanks!

Pnjman's probably gonna need to take care of a lot of the filesystem testing. Mine isnt jailbroken, and the only way for me to view the ipod filesystem through your preferences page. Although I can use foobars copy command to get database files and stuff off of the ipod.
OK that's cool, I thought as much. I have plenty of info for now anyway

This perhaps?

Yes that's the one!! Well done

What is the path to it? (Please tell me it's something accessible by foo_dop )
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-15 21:12:17
The path to the file is

Code: [Select]
/System/Library/Frameworks/ArtworkCache.framework/Checkpoint.plist


Is it possible for foo_dop to access it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-15 21:15:32
If it's in /private/var/mobile/Media then yes

Otherwise I don't believe so  In which case, I need to find out how iTunes is getting it..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-15 21:21:29
Bad news then; its elsewhere 

Could it not be copied somewhere in the ../media/ folder?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-15 22:24:49
No the idea is for the component to do things automatically

It's OK I have the data now so at worst I can hardcode it. To be honest, (from the path) that doesn't seem like the original copy of the file - possibly the original is not stored as a file.

BTW: The end of that file seems truncated, if you have the rest could you upload it somewhere (like http://pastebin.com/) (http://pastebin.com/)) ? Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-15 22:52:51
The whole file can be found here (http://pastebin.com/f7dd4e8c2).

Will it be a lot of work fixing something up without access to this file?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-15 23:12:06
Perhaps itunes is using a different service to access the full filesystem? I noticed that when I open itunes with the ipod connected, there are a ton of services running:

AppleMobileDeviceHelper.exe
AppleMobileDeviceService.exe
iPodService.exe

There's also this process located:
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\bin\distnoted.exe
Which seems to be unique to the ipod touch and iphone.

Perhaps one of these is the key to itunes' ability to access the touch.

Maybe you could ask the guys who are working on ml_pod or mediamonkey to see how they did it. Im actually gonna do some tests with mediamonkey to try to figure out which processes it is using while it modifies the ipod database.

Edit: Ok, well the only thing ive found is that mediamonkey is using this library:
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\bin\iTunesMobileDevice.dll

The only other thing I see is the mediamonkey iphone and ipod plugins, so im guessing the Apple DLL alone isnt enough to get the access you need.

I looked through the foobar process, and it looks like you're using it too anyway, so Im not sure if that would help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-15 23:34:24
The whole file can be found here (http://pastebin.com/f7dd4e8c2).
Thanks!

Will it be a lot of work fixing something up without access to this file?
It's more of a "nice to have" thing. The important thing is I have the data from it, and also we know where to get it from again if it does change for some reason in the future.

Perhaps itunes is using a different service to access the full filesystem? I noticed that when I open itunes with the ipod connected, there are a ton of services running:
[...]
Maybe you could ask the guys who are working on ml_pod or mediamonkey to see how they did it. Im actually gonna do some tests with mediamonkey to try to figure out which processes it is using while it modifies the ipod database.

Edit: Ok, well the only thing ive found is that mediamonkey is using this library:
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\bin\iTunesMobileDevice.dll

The only other thing I see is the mediamonkey iphone and ipod plugins, so im guessing the Apple DLL alone isnt enough to get the access you need.

I looked through the foobar process, and it looks like you're using it too anyway, so Im not sure if that would help.
It's complicated.. however we are all doing the same basic thing. I don't need access to the complete filesystem, there's a proper way to get the same data as in that file, but I'll probably never know so best just forget about it
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: plissk3n on 2008-02-17 22:36:16
Hey Guys!
It's a very great plugin! now i can delet iTunes from my HDD 

I wonderd wheter one thing is possible:
When I add a Comilation it would be really nice, that he change automatic the
Artist into "Compilation"
and befor this he should write the artist into the title...

%Artist%: Compilation
%title%: %(old)artist% - %(old)title%

is this with the Compilation Mapping possible?

Greetings plissk3n
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: radecke on 2008-02-17 22:49:30
if you set the album artist tag as "various artists" for compilations these albums will appear on your ipod in the compilations menu so i don't think it's necessary to change the title or anything else
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-17 23:32:01
Thanks for building this awesome plugin! 

I am using a shuffle, so I need to convert all my lossless files to mp3 and foo_dop works great. 

Is there a way for me to use the tool to convert my lossless files to wav and send them straight to the shuffle (without doing the lame encoding)?  Its taking me quite a while to transcode 20 files when in reality, I only need to get about 1.5 hours of music onto the shuffle for my jogging. 

Also, I assume there are temporary files being written by foobar during the conversion.  I assume it goes, lossless->wav->mp3...  So where does that temporary wav file go?

Thanks again

Tom
There aren't any temporary files used. I didn't really anticipate anyone wanting to 'transcode' to PCM WAV to be honest - also whilst it could be faster than transcoding, in general copying 20 uncompressed songs to a shuffle won't be blazingly fast. The only way you could currently achieve this is if you could find a suitable CLI application to do this for you when acting as the transcoder.

I am very unfimiliar with iPod playlists, only basic creation of them within iTunes. I haven't even tried smart playlists, so please excuse if this question is elementary...

But recently I have been rating my songs.
I was wondering if there is a provision anywhere, that automatically creates a playlist according to it's rating. Say: 5 star playlist, 4+ starplaylist, 3+ star playlist and so on.
So as soon as the song has been rated within foobar, this song is automatically added to the corresponding playlist(s). And if the song is rated on your iPod, as soon as you sinc your iPod, these songs are also added to the corresponding playlist(s).

Cheers

You can create auto playlists in foobar2000, and smart playlists on the iPod for special playlists that match rules based around fields such as ratings in real-time. Ratings are copied to the iPod during a sync, but not the other way around.

Hello, currently having 1 problem with sending videos to the right place. I'm using an iPod 6G. The file format is h.264 and I've set the Show to be as for example "Family Guy".

I'm not sure what information you need, sorry.

Thanks!
Hi, I am not sure what the exact problem you are having is. However make sure your files are tagged correctly. Please pay attention to the metadata notes in the notes on video support (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:notes#video_support), also it is a good idea to fill in the EPISODENUMBER and SEASONNUMBER fields.

if you set the album artist tag as "various artists" for compilations these albums will appear on your ipod in the compilations menu so i don't think it's necessary to change the title or anything else
Yep, provided you haven't changed the compilation mapping. Also you may need to enable compilations in the iPod settings if you have an older iPod model.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-18 20:27:21
iPod touch / iPhone build updated to 0.5.6.12.

This is to test the 'Load library' command on the iPod touch / iPhone. What should happen, is that it should load metadata from all of the tracks on the iPod (may take a few minutes) and add all of the tracks to a playlist. The metadata is cached, so if you run the command again it should be faster.

Please do not run any other commands other than that one on a iPod touch / iPhone.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-18 20:56:15
All I'm getting is a message saying 'no ipod found'. My ipod is detected in the console; should I be doing anything special?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-18 21:08:21
Hmm, try .13 please.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-18 21:20:03
Still the same. Should I just be selecting load library from under the file menu?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-18 21:30:41
OK, I'll try again, please try .14.

(Yes, that's the right thing to do. There was a typo on my side but it should be OK now. If not, I'll have to upload another build with logging.)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-18 21:34:47
OK, now getting

Code: [Select]
Error reading iTunesDB : Network not reachable


Ipod shows up in the console and I can add tracks manually.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-18 21:53:01
OK, I've uploaded .15. It should get further now
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: plissk3n on 2008-02-18 22:01:46
if you set the album artist tag as "various artists" for compilations these albums will appear on your ipod in the compilations menu so i don't think it's necessary to change the title or anything else


No sorry. I forgot to mention, that I have a 3rd generation iPod which doesn't support the "Compilations" feature or do I something wrong?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-18 22:02:10
OK, it now gets to showing the loading db progress bar and then crashes foobar. Here's the log

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Error reading OTGPlaylistInfo file : I/O Error: AFCFileInfoOpen returned: 8 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/OTGPlaylistInfo
Error reading dopdb : I/O Error: AFCFileInfoOpen returned: 8 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/dopdb
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-18 22:17:08
What do you mean by crash, is there a actual crash log?

Those errors are from the console, right? They just mean "file not found" - I've translated them to proper file not found messages in the next build (which will also prevent them from turning up in the console). But apart from those what happened?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-18 22:26:22
As soon as the loading db dialog comes up foobar crashes, it throws up an error message up but its too quick to read. The log above is a log of the console which I took when tried it again.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-18 22:39:03
OK, I believe I have found the cause of that.

Please try .16.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-18 22:44:20
Still get the crash with identical errorr messages as with .15. Perhaps the loading db dialogue gets further than last time before crashing.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-18 22:58:01
OK I missed some other instances where the error 8 needed to be translated to a file not found. Please try .17

Thanks for your patience!

[edit] uploaded .18 which fixes some other potential issues
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-18 23:12:55
Brilliant, its working perfect. Well done!

Thats with .17, .18 working fine as well!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-18 23:43:25
Phew 

Now, about the rest of the commands. The iPod touch/iPhone needs a special notification when syncing in order to update properly after disconnecting the iPod (and also display the "sync in progress message" I believe). I have some ideas about how to do this, but the problem is I do not know the correct function prototypes for some of the relevant functions in the Apple Mobile Device API. So it's a bit of a snag (I know MediaMonkey people worked this out but that doesn't help me, they probably had a touch as well ).

So, the commands that modify the iPod may work but would require you to kill and restart the iPod app (by holding the 'Home' button I believe).

The other potential issue is the hash generation. It should be working but obviously I haven't been able to test. If it is not working, after running a command that modifies the iPod no songs will show up on the iPod.

Lastly, play counts/ratings made on the iPod and OTG playlists are not managed/merged back into the database, this is mainly in relation to the first problem. Also I would need a sample of a OnTheGoPlaylist.plist file (I believe that is the filename), though it wouldn't do much good until the first problem is resolved.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-02-18 23:49:58
Good luck with all that! Anything I can do to help for the moment? Do you want an example of an onthego playlist or is it too early for that?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: suicidepills on 2008-02-19 16:15:26
Would it be possible to add support for the Sansa e250 so I can scrobble from it using RockBox?  I'd love to be able to scrobble from my mp3 player just using foobar...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: citizenkeith on 2008-02-20 18:36:47
Hello,

First, thanks so much for making this plugin available.

I have a FLAC library of about 7000 files. I have set up foo_dop to copy any unsupported file format as Lame V2. If I select a file or group of files in my library, it will copy over to the iPod as MP3. So far, so good.

Then I selected ALL 7000+ files and chose "Send to iPod." One day later, I'm about halfway done. But I decide to hit "Stop" so that I can enjoy what I've copied so far, and finish it later. The only problem is that none of the converted files are there. I chose "Load Library" and the only files there were the ones that were there before I started the big transfer. I chose "Browse Library" and the same files were there.

Is this the correct behavior?

Any tips for somebody who wants to send over a huge number of files?

Lastly, ideally I'd like to sync to the Media Library, which is chosen in foobar preferences. Originally, when I chose "Synchronize iPod" from the File > iPod menu (and chose Default playlist, which contained my entire Media Library), it just copied everything to a folder on my iPod. It just copied it like it was converting/copying to a hard drive. Nothing was available to play on the iPod.

Thanks for your help! So far this is the best solution I've found for my situation. MediaMonkey was horrendous... artwork was f-ed up and it actually took LONGER to copy files. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: radecke on 2008-02-20 19:19:26
this behaviour is normal since the database is being written after the files have been sent to the ipod.
why don't you just select as many tracks as you want to copy at a time and sent them to your ipod?

and i also synchronize my whole media library with my ipod and it works perfectly for me  you don't have to choose a playlist when you want to sync your entire media library. you can just select synchronise ipod with media library and foo_dop will copy your entire collection.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: citizenkeith on 2008-02-20 22:03:44
this behaviour is normal since the database is being written after the files have been sent to the ipod.
why don't you just select as many tracks as you want to copy at a time and sent them to your ipod?


Looks like that's what I'll have to do. I just wanted to "set it and forget it" because that's a LOT of files to convert/copy.

and i also synchronize my whole media library with my ipod and it works perfectly for me  you don't have to choose a playlist when you want to sync your entire media library. you can just select synchronise ipod with media library and foo_dop will copy your entire collection.


Good to know. Thanks! I'll start in on this tonight.

Is there a way to Set Priority to lame that is more or less permanent? When I do multiple files, Lame opens and closes for each file, so I can't set the priority to "High" and let Lame go for the rest of the files. I'd have to do it for each file. Then again, I may not be saving much time by adjusting the priority.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-20 22:56:20
Good luck with all that! Anything I can do to help for the moment? Do you want an example of an onthego playlist or is it too early for that?
No, I am not going to use them any time soon so not much point yet. Though, it would be nice to know how iTunes handles OTG playlists on your touch - does it convert them to normal playlists after connecting the iPod touch?

Would it be possible to add support for the Sansa e250 so I can scrobble from it using RockBox?  I'd love to be able to scrobble from my mp3 player just using foobar...
Sorry - it doesn't have much to do with iPods.

Hello,

First, thanks so much for making this plugin available.

I have a FLAC library of about 7000 files. I have set up foo_dop to copy any unsupported file format as Lame V2. If I select a file or group of files in my library, it will copy over to the iPod as MP3. So far, so good.

Then I selected ALL 7000+ files and chose "Send to iPod." One day later, I'm about halfway done. But I decide to hit "Stop" so that I can enjoy what I've copied so far, and finish it later. The only problem is that none of the converted files are there. I chose "Load Library" and the only files there were the ones that were there before I started the big transfer. I chose "Browse Library" and the same files were there.

Is this the correct behavior?
Yes and no. The button currently is somewhere halfway between a stop and a cancel. In your case it would have deleted all the files that had been copied. I know the behaviour is currently not great and is something I wanted to improve so it leaves the iPod in the state it is in when you press Stop. I hope it didn't cause too much pain once you realised what had happened..

Any tips for somebody who wants to send over a huge number of files?
7000 files is a lot to be converting on the fly.. You can do 'Send files' on a few at a time, and once they are all done you can use sync (but keep in mind if you modify the track locally a sync will reconvert it).

Lastly, ideally I'd like to sync to the Media Library, which is chosen in foobar preferences. Originally, when I chose "Synchronize iPod" from the File > iPod menu (and chose Default playlist, which contained my entire Media Library), it just copied everything to a folder on my iPod. It just copied it like it was converting/copying to a hard drive. Nothing was available to play on the iPod.
Not sure what happened there, did you use any other iPod managers directly after syncing? It also doesn't sound like it took as long as when you sent the 7000 files before..?

Is there a way to Set Priority to lame that is more or less permanent? When I do multiple files, Lame opens and closes for each file, so I can't set the priority to "High" and let Lame go for the rest of the files. I'd have to do it for each file. Then again, I may not be saving much time by adjusting the priority.
The component purposefully sets the encoder priority to 'Below Normal' so that your computer is usable/responsive during the conversion. If you don't have a bunch of background processes using CPU time I don't believe it would make much difference to speed.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2008-02-23 16:20:46
Hi musicmusic,

I have 2 questions for you regarding using foo_dop with my new 6G iPod Classic.


1. Do files still need to be run through iTunes for gapless playback?


2. It seems that my album art gets all messed up if I add them using foo_dop (one external Front.jpg per album folder) and then connect my iPod to iTunes. Since fb2k doesn't recognize m4b files, I need to load them on the iPod as Audiobooks using iTunes. It seems so far, that any interaction between iTunes and the iPod leaves the album art black or empty. This album art problem has happened twice to me this past week, and nothing else restores the album art, except by removing and resending the files to the iPod with foo_dop.


Your advice on these problems is most appreciated. Thanks!

Edit: Using foo_dop 0.5.5TEST
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-23 18:35:39
Hi!
1. Do files still need to be run through iTunes for gapless playback?
Well foo_dop supports gapless data for Lame MP3, iTunes MP4 (AAC), and recent Nero MP4 (AAC). So, if that is enough then no.

2. It seems that my album art gets all messed up if I add them using foo_dop (one external Front.jpg per album folder) and then connect my iPod to iTunes. Since fb2k doesn't recognize m4b files, I need to load them on the iPod as Audiobooks using iTunes. It seems so far, that any interaction between iTunes and the iPod leaves the album art black or empty. This album art problem has happened twice to me this past week, and nothing else restores the album art, except by removing and resending the files to the iPod with foo_dop.
I haven't looked into this so much, but as far as I am aware it is a side effect of iTunes reloading metadata from the files. It may not happen if you embed the artwork in the files (though foo_dop does not currently support embedded artwork). I'll try and see if there is any workaround to this problem.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-25 00:55:10
Good luck with all that! Anything I can do to help for the moment?

OK I *think* I've worked it out.. (well.. I worked something out, I hope it is the right thing )

I need the following to be tested in .19:
*Connect your touch / iPhone & open the mobile devices prefs page.
*Click 'Sync Start Test' and check if your iPod touch / iPhone displays the sync in progress message.
*If it does check if the 'Sync Stop Test' button gets rid of it.
*If you get any errors after pressing those buttons, paste them here.
*Also check the console before and after pressing those buttons; if there are any errors there please paste them here.

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sleepy on 2008-02-25 01:19:47
I tried the "Sync Start Test" in .19 on an iPhone (software version 1.1.3; not jailbroken) and got the following error:

error: AMDPostNotification returned 3892314113

There was no change to the iPhone display.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-25 01:23:21
Thanks! Let me find out what this means..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-25 02:09:28
It's difficult to say what the exact problem is unfortunately.

I don't think it will make a difference, but I fiddled around with some stuff in .20, so please try that (if there's any changes to the error please post it).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-25 03:00:19
Well, it worked somewhat for me on the touch. When I click "start test" it shows the syncing screen, but only for a second even though I dont click stop. However, after pressing it several times, I can sometimes get the screen to persist until I click stop. Then, after closing the preferences page, reopening, and then pressing start again, I get this error:
error: AMDPostNotification returned 3892314113

I will continue to get the error until I unplug the ipod and then replug it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-25 14:54:07
OK! That's kinda good (and bad..). The first button actually sends two messages to the device, so it sounds like the second one is clearing the sync screen. I split the commands up into four steps in .21. So, press them in order (wait a sec or so in between each) and see what happens after each stage. Also, see what happens if you skip over the second step (.20 didn't do this second step).

The errors is another problem, but at the moment I don't know the root cause, some changes in the new version may shed some light.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Alexander Ostuni on 2008-02-25 16:52:46
Hello,

thank you very much for this plugin.
I am relatively new to this all, so pleas forgive my my following questions:
In the past I have used the Anapod Explorer with my iPod (80gb) but I am very pleased, that I can do this now within foobar2000. In Anapod Explorer, when I wanted to add a Track to the iPod that already was on the iPod, the software refused to send it. With this plugin the track was sent and then two times on the iPod. Did I make something wrong or is there a setting for this ?
If I have transferred someting to my iPod, do I have to rewrite the Database afterwards, or can I just eject the iPod and remove it ?

Thank you so far
Alex
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-25 17:37:15
Ok, here's some observations after some testing:
After I click Test 1 or 2, the sync screen persists until I click either test #3 or #4. Whether or not I click any of them in succession doesnt seem to make a difference. So basically it behaves like this: #1 or #2 = start, #3 or #4 = stop

However, if I wait about a minute after testing the sync, I start getting errors until I reconnect the ipod. I first get "AMDPostNotification returned 3892314113" then I get "Invalid socket" if I click any of them again.

I'm still playing with all the different tests and clicking them in different orders to see if theres any way around this.

edit: Ok, I also noticed that if I cancel the sync from the ipod itself, I need to press either #3 or 4 before #1 or 2 will cause a sync again.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-25 18:23:03
Hello,

thank you very much for this plugin.
I am relatively new to this all, so pleas forgive my my following questions:
In the past I have used the Anapod Explorer with my iPod (80gb) but I am very pleased, that I can do this now within foobar2000. In Anapod Explorer, when I wanted to add a Track to the iPod that already was on the iPod, the software refused to send it. With this plugin the track was sent and then two times on the iPod. Did I make something wrong or is there a setting for this ?
If I have transferred someting to my iPod, do I have to rewrite the Database afterwards, or can I just eject the iPod and remove it ?

Thank you so far
Alex

1, That's the way it behaves currently, sorry.
2. Yes you can just eject the iPod, no need to do anything else.

Ok, here's some observations after some testing:
After I click Test 1 or 2, the sync screen persists until I click either test #3 or #4. Whether or not I click any of them in succession doesnt seem to make a difference. So basically it behaves like this: #1 or #2 = start, #3 or #4 = stop

However, if I wait about a minute after testing the sync, I start getting errors until I reconnect the ipod. I first get "AMDPostNotification returned 3892314113" then I get "Invalid socket" if I click any of them again.

I'm still playing with all the different tests and clicking them in different orders to see if theres any way around this.
Hmmm OK interesting observations. Obviously the errors are a major problem, but I don't know what to make of them. Does the file stuff work after these errors start?

edit: Ok, I also noticed that if I cancel the sync from the ipod itself, I need to press either #3 or 4 before #1 or 2 will cause a sync again.
Hmm I didn't realise you could cancel the sync from the iPod itself.. The touch/iPhone can send me messages as well however I haven't figured out the exact way to listen for them (the cancel sync is one of these).

Thanks for testing!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-02-25 18:44:55
Yeah, even after the error I'm able to load and play files from the ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hydrac7 on 2008-02-26 00:59:47
Okay I'm trying to figure out the compilation mapping.

How would I go about setting it so that foo_dop automatically puts albums within my Various Artists folder into compilations?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2008-02-26 01:41:27
@Hydrac7

this is what I use
Code: [Select]
$if($stricmp($directory(%_path%,2),'Various Artists'),1,0)
my dir structure is ..\Various Artists\%date% - %album%\%track%. %title%
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hydrac7 on 2008-02-26 02:02:04
@Hydrac7

this is what I use
Code: [Select]
$if($stricmp($directory(%_path%,2),'Various Artists'),1,0)
my dir structure is ..\Various Artists\%date% - %album%\%track%. %title%

My directory structure is D:\Music\Various Artist\Date - Album\XX - Artist - Title.mp3

Would your code work for me?

Oh and is there a way to make it display Artist - Title (Compilation -> Album -> Artist - Title)on the iPod as opposed to just title?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2008-02-26 02:16:54
Quote
My directory structure is D:\Music\Various Artist\Date - Album\XX - Artist - Title.mp3

Would your code work for me?
yeah it should work with that, give it a try.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hydrac7 on 2008-02-26 05:56:47
Quote
My directory structure is D:\Music\Various Artist\Date - Album\XX - Artist - Title.mp3

Would your code work for me?
yeah it should work with that, give it a try.

Sweet thanks a lot, this works out.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kanak on 2008-02-28 03:02:54
Hi musicmusic,

I'm running foo_dop 5.6.2.1 in foobar 0.9.5.1 to manage my ipod classic 160 gb. For some reason, it seems to take quite a while to get the art copying process started. I think it spent ~3-5 minutes after it copied all the music files to START copying the art. Is this expected? If so, could you please display a message that tells the user that copying is about to commence?

EDIT:

I also see a warning in the console whenever i connect the ipod:
Code: [Select]
Warning: failed to remove iPod Play Counts file; Reason: Object not found


This might be the reason why my ipod plays aren't being scrobbled.

EDIT 2:

Also, Eject iPod rarely works for me (it claims device is busy even when  "Safely Remove hardware" works perfectly.)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-28 11:55:44
Hi musicmusic,

I'm running foo_dop 5.6.2.1 in foobar 0.9.5.1 to manage my ipod classic 160 gb. For some reason, it seems to take quite a while to get the art copying process started. I think it spent ~3-5 minutes after it copied all the music files to START copying the art. Is this expected? If so, could you please display a message that tells the user that copying is about to commence?
What was the exact message displayed during the delay? How did you check the files are finished copying, and how many tracks are on your iPod? Thanks

I also see a warning in the console whenever i connect the ipod:
Code: [Select]
Warning: failed to remove iPod Play Counts file; Reason: Object not found

This might be the reason why my ipod plays aren't being scrobbled.
No it's harmless. After the file has been processed it is removed so it doesn't always exist.

Also, Eject iPod rarely works for me (it claims device is busy even when  "Safely Remove hardware" works perfectly.)
The only message that foo_dop may give from that command is "iPod is busy". The rest come from the operating system. On VIsta you'll need to close any explorer windows that have your iPod open. If you're still stuck, use something like Process Explorer's handle search to find out what's using it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kanak on 2008-02-28 12:11:48
Hi musicmusic,

What was the exact message displayed during the delay? How did you check the files are finished copying, and how many tracks are on your iPod? Thanks.


I was starting on a blank ipod, and coyping a total of ~3900 files. I know the files were copied because it displayed that "x files remaining" stuff, and then displayed the "Copying Album Art (3900 remaining)". It was stuck with this message for quite some time.

Quote
No it's harmless. After the file has been processed it is removed so it doesn't always exist.

Scrobbling from my ipod should be working, though, right? (Or is it not supported for ipod classic?)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-02-28 12:37:09
I was starting on a blank ipod, and coyping a total of ~3900 files. I know the files were copied because it displayed that "x files remaining" stuff, and then displayed the "Copying Album Art (3900 remaining)". It was stuck with this message for quite some time.
OK, there's a minor bug in that the 'remaining' count in that instance doesn't decrease (the progress meter should still update though). That's corrected for next build.

Scrobbling from my ipod should be working, though, right? (Or is it not supported for ipod classic?)
Yes it should be working fine for the Classic. When you run any command that modifies the iPod (e.g. rewrite iPod database) any full plays since the last time you did that should be, provided you have a recent version of foo_audioscrobbler (I don't know if there is any set up you need to do on the foo_audioscrobbler side).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: radecke on 2008-02-28 18:28:49
(I don't know if there is any set up you need to do on the foo_audioscrobbler side).

you just need to enable "import played tracks from portable devices" and it should work. the tracks you've been listening to on your ipod will then be sent when the next song is being scrobbled by foobar.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-03-02 05:37:48
I am very unfimiliar with iPod playlists, only basic creation of them within iTunes. I haven't even tried smart playlists, so please excuse if this question is elementary...

But recently I have been rating my songs.
I was wondering if there is a provision anywhere, that automatically creates a playlist according to it's rating. Say: 5 star playlist, 4+ starplaylist, 3+ star playlist and so on.
So as soon as the song has been rated within foobar, this song is automatically added to the corresponding playlist(s). And if the song is rated on your iPod, as soon as you sinc your iPod, these songs are also added to the corresponding playlist(s).

Cheers


Any chance of an answer to this?
Sorry for quoting myself...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2008-03-02 10:39:47
I was wondering if there is a provision anywhere, that automatically creates a playlist according to it's rating.


This is a "smart playlist" in Apple speak... musicmusic has said that there is no documented Apple API for them and foo_dop is based upon that API, so he can't implement them.

That said, the winamp plugin for iPods does support smart playlists so they can be implemented outside of iTunes... I presume they don't use the Apple API (3rd party libraries like GNUPod support them for example).

On the other hand, I've used iTunes to create smart playlists and it didn't screw up my iPod at all, which is otherwise managed by foo_dop. That is your best bet.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: JoyO on 2008-03-02 10:42:29
But there already are smart playlists in foo_dop
There is no rename function, and preview is strange - but creating works.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kanak on 2008-03-02 20:51:36
Hi musicmusic,

Would it be possible to:
-> add a "playcount" column in the "browse ipod" view?
-> add a "reset playcount to 0" option?
-> enable sorting by the column header (not important) in browse ipod view?


thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-02 22:30:34
Any chance of an answer to this?
Sorry for quoting myself...
What was wrong with my previous answer? 
You can create auto playlists in foobar2000, and smart playlists on the iPod for special playlists that match rules based around fields such as ratings in real-time. Ratings are copied to the iPod during a sync, but not the other way around.



This is a "smart playlist" in Apple speak... musicmusic has said that there is no documented Apple API for them and foo_dop is based upon that API, so he can't implement them.

That said, the winamp plugin for iPods does support smart playlists so they can be implemented outside of iTunes... I presume they don't use the Apple API (3rd party libraries like GNUPod support them for example).
I think you are mixing things up a bit. I only ever said there wasn't an Autoplaylist API which was in regards to converting auto playlists to smart playlists.

Hi musicmusic,

Would it be possible to:
-> add a "playcount" column in the "browse ipod" view?
-> add a "reset playcount to 0" option?
-> enable sorting by the column header (not important) in browse ipod view?


thanks.

1 & 3: That page needs a bit of work, I'll consider those things for when I do that.
2. Why would you need this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: moglenstar on 2008-03-03 00:57:16
Thanks for another great component, musicmusic.

I was wondering it's possible (or if it would be possible) to add music to the ipod, by passing a command, such as

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foobar2000.exe /addtoipod "somefile.mp3"


or

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foobar2000.exe /addtoipod "C:\somefolder\"


Or something like that, so that it would be possible to send music to the ipod, from the right click menu on folders (like how we can currently play/queue in foobar).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-03 01:17:52
Ideally, you would be able to use foobar2000 /context_command:<command> <files>. Replace <command> with say "iPod/Send to iPod". Not sure why /context_command isn't included in the help from foobar2000 /?.

However, I never planned for this: I don't think it will work if foobar2000 is not already running, because the thread that scans for iPods will probably not have initialised before the command is executed, so you'll probably just get a 'No iPod found' message. You can check this for me  I can fix it otherwise.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: moglenstar on 2008-03-03 01:36:30
Ideally, you would be able to use foobar2000 /context_command:<command> <files>. Replace <command> with say "iPod/Send to iPod". Not sure why /context_command isn't included in the help from foobar2000 /?.

However, I never planned for this: I don't think it will work if foobar2000 is not already running, because the thread that scans for iPods will probably not have initialised before the command is executed, so you'll probably just get a 'No iPod found' message. You can check this for me  I can fix it otherwise.



Thanks for the quick reply

I used

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"C:\Program Files\foobar2000\foobar2000.exe" "/context_command:iPod/Send to iPod" "%1"


as a command from the right click menu on folders, and it seemed to work fine

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Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\foobar2000.sendtoipod]
@="Send to iPod"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\foobar2000.sendtoipod\Command]
@="\"C:\\Program Files\\foobar2000\\foobar2000.exe\" \"/context_command:iPod/Send to iPod\" \"%1\""


edit:

you were correct about the "no iPod found" error, if foobar isn't already running.

shouldn't be a problem for me though, as I always have foobar open -- it's just more convenient for me to right click a folder > "send to ipod", than queueing in foobar, selecting all songs, right clicking, sending to ipod. heh.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xezzy on 2008-03-03 16:39:53
Can I get %play_count% from iPod? I play song on iPod, then sync, and playcounts doesnt update. I store them in id3tags.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: radecke on 2008-03-03 17:12:01
Can I get %play_count% from iPod? I play song on iPod, then sync, and playcounts doesnt update. I store them in id3tags.

that's because the plugin isn't able to do that at the moment
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kanak on 2008-03-03 17:22:44
Can I get %play_count% from iPod? I play song on iPod, then sync, and playcounts doesnt update. I store them in id3tags.


Right now i've got a REALLY roundabout way to implement playcount sync:

1. Use winamp to create an autoplaylist with songs which have been played
2. Open playlists in foo_dop
3. use text tools to infer path in drive from the tag info
4. import the playlist into foobar
5. Use masstagger to automatically update playcount, last played and firstplayed (if necessary). Note Last played is stamped with current time so it isn't accurate.
6. Use winamp to reset the playcount in ipod to zero.

Repeat process every now and then .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xezzy on 2008-03-03 20:07:41

Can I get %play_count% from iPod? I play song on iPod, then sync, and playcounts doesnt update. I store them in id3tags.

that's because the plugin isn't able to do that at the moment


Yeah, that would explain everything...
But if ipod scrobbles to last.fm, it would be possible to retrieve counts. I saw program for iTunes that can do that
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kanak on 2008-03-03 21:40:24
But if ipod scrobbles to last.fm, it would be possible to retrieve counts. I saw program for iTunes that can do that


It does. and ml_ipod's implementation of the scrobbler is better than the one official one. (official one requires you to use ipod in "automatic mode", and works very rarely)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-03 22:09:50
Well, official foo_playcount primarily stores play counts in a private database and there's no API.

It does seem like writing the the metadata field would work as it looks like foo_playcount prefers that over what it has in its database if it is higher. But, it will be messy unless you enable "automatically sync file tags with play counts". Basically, for anything half-decent some kind of foo_playcount API is needed (or, foo_playcount could use the same foo_dop API that foo_audioscrobbler is using).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xezzy on 2008-03-04 14:17:58

But if ipod scrobbles to last.fm, it would be possible to retrieve counts. I saw program for iTunes that can do that


It does. and ml_ipod's implementation of the scrobbler is better than the one official one. (official one requires you to use ipod in "automatic mode", and works very rarely)


So all we need is a litle program that will sync last.fm plays with %play_count% ^^ But thats one big walkaround.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kanak on 2008-03-04 14:22:43
So all we need is a litle program that will sync last.fm plays with %play_count% ^^ But thats one big walkaround.


  .

It does look quite bad, but it's like 5 clicks once you've set up. 1st click is in winamp to "refresh" the autoplaylists, 2nd in Foobar to refresh to reflect those changes, 3rd to export playlist using text tools, 4th to import playlist, 5th to update the playcount using a masstagger script.

So yeah, it is a lot of unnecessary back and forth, but hey, it works right now .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xezzy on 2008-03-04 14:30:45
heh  alright
anyway its not very important. Its like 5th on my tobum list

Tag mapping is gorgeous. Ive remapped my "title" tags with "artist - title" so finally I know whats in my playlists.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bl@ck_warrior on 2008-03-05 16:05:11
Hi musicmusic, I've just tried to scrobble from my ipod 3G, using foo_dop 0.5.5 and foo_audioscrobbler 1.3.15, but foo_dop can't retrieve my play count.
I get the error:
[code]Error reading Play Counts file : Unsupported format or corrupted file[code]

Maybe it doesn't work with the 3G, but I'm not sure. What should I do ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-05 16:25:13
Check if the file is zero bytes - it should be in "\iPod_Control\iTunes\Play Counts" on your iPod. If it is, delete it, it should work after that (AFAIK this is a bug with 3G iPods). [edit] Actually foo_dop should be deleting it anyway so it's probably not this.

If it is not zero bytes, can you upload it somewhere so I can check it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bl@ck_warrior on 2008-03-06 07:36:51
Well, that can explain the problem.Although I did listen some track with it, I don't even have a play count file :/

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G:\IPOD_C~1\ITUNES
    iTunesControl
    iTunesDB.dop.backup
    iTunesDB
    dopdb.backup
    dopdb
    iTunesPrefs.bku
    iTunesPrefs


edit: Hmm I rewrote the database and now it's working. It did'nt count tracks I played before though, I don't know why the play count file disappeared.

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Audioscrobbler: Importing played tracks from iPod (Benjy)
Audioscrobbler: Finished importing 5 tracks.



Thanks !

edit2: By the way, I can't use $cwb_ltrim(%artist%,The ,Les ,A ,La ) in artist mapping, it doesn't seem to work, you add a checkbox to ignore leading "The", but it would be great to choose what we want to ignore leading (I'm french, and I prefer to ignore leading "Les" and "La" too)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-06 10:15:46
OK. As I remember the 3G iPod will sometimes corrupt the Play Count file (make it zero bytes). When that happens, it doesn't create a valid one until the file is removed. I think this has something to do with when the iPod goes into deep sleep or the iPod rebooting. If you search on google you should find some info about it.

No, you can't use $cwb_ltrim etc. in the remappings. I may be able change this now, I'll look into it.

BTW: That checkbox affects sorting only, whereas the remappings affect display as well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BelleAndZEK on 2008-03-07 01:44:04
I have a question..
My girlfriend is buying me a 160G iPod for my 30th birthday and I have NO plans of using iTunes and this plugin seems just perfect..

All my album covers (Folder.jpg) are in high resolution wich are between 1 and 2 meg each. I've read that this plugin adds it into ID3 tags.. is there an option to resize album covers before adding it to the tags?



I don't have the iPod yet but I took a look at the plugin anyway and didn't see that as an option. 1 to 2 megs added to each mp3, that will take a lot of space on the iPod for nothing..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: foo_pm on 2008-03-07 21:01:37
Thank you for your good work!! Works fine for me!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Saturos on 2008-03-08 02:17:25
Hi, when I update my iPod with my playlist containing FLAC, APE, and WMA files, it throws up an error message
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Failed to add file to iPod: Conversion failed - Unexpected process exit code FFFFFFFFh
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-08 22:54:36
I have a question..
My girlfriend is buying me a 160G iPod for my 30th birthday and I have NO plans of using iTunes and this plugin seems just perfect..

All my album covers (Folder.jpg) are in high resolution wich are between 1 and 2 meg each. I've read that this plugin adds it into ID3 tags.. is there an option to resize album covers before adding it to the tags?



I don't have the iPod yet but I took a look at the plugin anyway and didn't see that as an option. 1 to 2 megs added to each mp3, that will take a lot of space on the iPod for nothing..
No the original images are not copied to the iPod, unless they were already embedded in the files (in which case they would be copied with the file).

Thank you for your good work!! Works fine for me!
Great

Hi, when I update my iPod with my playlist containing FLAC, APE, and WMA files, it throws up an error message
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Failed to add file to iPod: Conversion failed - Unexpected process exit code FFFFFFFFh
Well, what are your conversion settings (command line)?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Saturos on 2008-03-09 01:33:06
Ah, found the problem. Silliest problem ever. I had a file with a very long title, and the nero plugin choked on the file, refusing to process it. No problems aside from that. Works great especially the conversion on-the-fly, which is just something awesome that iTunes refuses to do. Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-03-09 06:29:20
I updated from 0.5.3 to 0.5.6 and I found that some of my album art is stuffed up.
All of my album art that is not 1:1 ratio, ie: my DVD album art with the ratio of 300 pixels to 407 pixels gets all squashed.

Any reason why?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-09 17:44:37
Ah, found the problem. Silliest problem ever. I had a file with a very long title, and the nero plugin choked on the file, refusing to process it. No problems aside from that. Works great especially the conversion on-the-fly, which is just something awesome that iTunes refuses to do. Thanks!
But, input into the encoder is done via a pipe, so it doesn't know what the source path is. Strange.

I updated from 0.5.3 to 0.5.6 and I found that some of my album art is stuffed up.
All of my album art that is not 1:1 ratio, ie: my DVD album art with the ratio of 300 pixels to 407 pixels gets all squashed.

Any reason why?
Yes, sounds like a bug. Can you describe exactly how they look (squashed horizontally or vertically or to a square etc.) and also what iPod model do you have. Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BelleAndZEK on 2008-03-10 02:31:19
I just received my 160G (Classic) iPod and have to say that everything went well so far with this plugin, no problem at all. It's actually the first time of my life I touch an iPod.



One thing tho, wich I believe is on the iPod side that needs to be 'fixed' but maybe it's possible to fix it with this plugin, and had been addressed a few times already and couldn't find an answer really....

I really don't like having the artists that are in compilations listed when browsing. I'd rather have them listed under Compilations only or their 'Album Artist' tags. Having a whole bunch of artists with only one song when browsing and browsing in CoverFlow, no good. Is there a workaround? If only we could browse by 'Album Artist', that would make things so much easier.



Any way to prevent this? Then everything would be A+++++++++++++++
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xezzy on 2008-03-10 09:13:11
Anything is possible using 'artist' mapping.
I use this string:
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$if3($meta(album artist),$meta(artist))

All my compilations have 'album artist' tag (compilation author or 'various artist'). Dunno whats your situation, but I guess it will work. It displays 'album artist' as artist if avaible, if not - displays 'artist'.
Thats probably the best thing about dop
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BelleAndZEK on 2008-03-10 14:09:52
Everything is tagged with 'Album Artist', compilations have 'Various Artists' for 'Album Artists'.

For artists such as 'Neil Young' and 'Neil Young and crazy Horse' I have set 'Album Artist' to Neil Young, so I'm guessing with the string above they will show up both as Neil Young? That's good, I'll try it now thanks.

Foobar2k and its components never cease to amaze me. I Wouldn't be surprised if there was a plugin out there that could do dishes and laundry for me

Edit: Doesn't work. I even tried putting %album artist% in Artist Mapping just to test and it didn't work. It was still showing artists that are in compilations...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xezzy on 2008-03-10 14:50:55
Oh, u must select menu -> ipod -> rewrite ipod database or refresh meta tags, not sure which one, I do both xD sorry ive didnt said it in first post :/
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BelleAndZEK on 2008-03-10 15:12:19
Yes I did that and it didn't work. I've tried many times with different strings and I got the same results each time, artists from compilations still listed.
I noticed at one point that compilations were not listed in 'Compilations' anymore even if I still had the string to set compilations as compilations..

I must be doing something wrong..

- All my files have 'artist' and 'album artist' tags. 'Various Artists' for compilations in 'album artist'
- Artist mapping: $if3($meta(album artist),$meta(artist))
- Compilations mapping: $if($stricmp($directory(%_path%,2),'Various Artists'),1,0)
- Menu File > iPod > Synchronize iPod... > Synchronize with Media Library (Wich has only 4 directories for testing purposes: 2 normal albums + 2 compilations)
- Done adding file and album art to iPod.
- Menu File > iPod > Rewrite iPod Database. Done.
- Menu File > iPod > Rewrite iPod library metadata. Done.
- Eject iPod

Edit:
Another solution would be to browse by directory structure, is this possible?
Then it would be pretty much the same as browsing by 'Album Artist'.
I have my alburms sorted liks this:

Artist1
... Artist1 - Album1
... Artist1 - Album2

Artist2
... Artist2 - Album1
... Artist2 - Album2

Various Artists
... Various Artists - Album1
... Various Artists - Album2
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-10 16:37:35
You shouldn't use the path field in the metadata mappings, it can refer to either the path on the iPod or your computer so will give inconsistent results.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xezzy on 2008-03-10 17:07:15
It works on my ipod very well, dunno whats the problem o.0 i do same moves as you. Maybe try syncing at the end? After rewriting database.

PS

If ALL your files have ALBUM ARTIST u can just use string
$meta(album artist)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-10 22:58:35
foo_dop 0.5.6.22 released. Fixes some bugs.

Regarding iPod touch support: What I really need is someone who is able to backup and restore the iTunesDB on the device to try and send a file to the iPod with 0.5.6.22 and see what happens. This could be one of the following:
-foo_dop dies
-The song shows up correctly
-Nothing appears to change on the device. In this case, with the iPod app on the device open, hold the home button down for several seconds to kill it. Then open it again and see if anything has changed.
-Nothing at all shows up on the device. In this case, there is something going wrong with the hash calculation and you should restore the iTunesDB backup and restart the iPod app as above.

Also, check what happens with regards to the display on the iPod (does it display the 'sync in progress' screen?)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BelleAndZEK on 2008-03-11 00:58:54
After some testing, it seems that my Album Artists tags don't get recognized.
I get empty fields if I put $meta(album artists) or %album artist%
I don't know why because it works with other tags. I've tested $meta(album) and $album% and both works.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-03-11 01:08:14
Yes, sounds like a bug. Can you describe exactly how they look (squashed horizontally or vertically or to a square etc.) and also what iPod model do you have. Thanks.
musicmusic

The album art is trimmed/cropped vertically. It seems alright length wise, but the width of the album art is shortened - centered. It doesn't squash it shorter, but crops it shorter.
IE: It goes from say a 300:407 pixel ratio to a 200:407 ratio - with 50 pixels cropped off each side of the album art.

I am using an 80GB iPod 5.5G.

The version of foo_dop that I was previously using before trying the new v0.5.6.21, was v0.4.6, which worked perfectly with this ratio of album art. This the only update I have tried. I do not know at which version this bug appeared.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2008-03-11 01:14:39
After some testing, it seems that my Album Artists tags don't get recognized.
I get empty fields if I put $meta(album artists) or %album artist%
I don't know why because it works with other tags. I've tested $meta(album) and $album% and both works.
You may have a typo, so try $meta(album artist)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-11 01:18:52
The later versions obey requests from the iPod to crop the artwork.

But, the last copy of the iPod property list from a 5.5G iPod I have doesn't request the artwork to be cropped (firmware 1.2.1).

If you go to foo_dop prefs and hold CTRL whilst clicking on view iPod device information there should be some XML formatted info displayed - copy the artwork section here which will tell us if this is the problem or something else. It looks like this:
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<key>AlbumArt</key>
<array>
...
</array>


[edit] Actually, I think this is related to some other change I made. I'll try reverting that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BelleAndZEK on 2008-03-11 01:22:20
I know there's a typo in my last message, but I did type $meta(album artist) in Artist mapping.

It's like if all tags were transferred exept the album artist ones because both $meta(album artist) and %album artist% don't work (empty). So they appear as 'Unknown' on my iPod, and the fields are empty when I browse my iPod with foo_dop.

Edit: Actually no, when I use %album artist% it actually uses %artist%.

Edit 2: I've checked with foobar and my Album Artist tags are empty. I tagged them with Tag&Rename, maybe that's the probleme. Something wrong with Tag&Rename.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-11 01:39:56
musicmusic

The album art is trimmed/cropped vertically. It seems alright length wise, but the width of the album art is shortened - centered. It doesn't squash it shorter, but crops it shorter.
IE: It goes from say a 300:407 pixel ratio to a 200:407 ratio - with 50 pixels cropped off each side of the album art.

I am using an 80GB iPod 5.5G.

The version of foo_dop that I was previously using before trying the new v0.5.6.21, was v0.4.6, which worked perfectly with this ratio of album art. This the only update I have tried. I do not know at which version this bug appeared.

Please try this (http://yuo.be/download/F1E8BB5B-E0D5-4d81-866D-B7823F96204E/foo_dop-0.5.6.24-TEST.7z) version. I basically reverted a couple changes from memory that are probably the culprit.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2008-03-11 03:20:46
I know there's a typo in my last message, but I did type $meta(album artist) in Artist mapping.

It's like if all tags were transferred exept the album artist ones because both $meta(album artist) and %album artist% don't work (empty). So they appear as 'Unknown' on my iPod, and the fields are empty when I browse my iPod with foo_dop.

Edit: Actually no, when I use %album artist% it actually uses %artist%.

Edit 2: I've checked with foobar and my Album Artist tags are empty. I tagged them with Tag&Rename, maybe that's the probleme. Something wrong with Tag&Rename.
Some programs write album artist differently. Does the BAND tag show up in foobar2000 > Properties? If so, replace $meta(album artist) with $meta(band) or %band%. Otherwise, rewrite the Album Artist tag using Foobar2000.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-03-11 03:41:35
Please try this (http://yuo.be/download/F1E8BB5B-E0D5-4d81-866D-B7823F96204E/foo_dop-0.5.6.24-TEST.7z) version. I basically reverted a couple changes from memory that are probably the culprit.
I will try this ASAP. I'm a little busy at the moment - maybe in a day or two.
Thanks for the help though, I appreciate it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xezzy on 2008-03-11 08:12:02
I know there's a typo in my last message, but I did type $meta(album artist) in Artist mapping.

It's like if all tags were transferred exept the album artist ones because both $meta(album artist) and %album artist% don't work (empty). So they appear as 'Unknown' on my iPod, and the fields are empty when I browse my iPod with foo_dop.

Edit: Actually no, when I use %album artist% it actually uses %artist%.

Edit 2: I've checked with foobar and my Album Artist tags are empty. I tagged them with Tag&Rename, maybe that's the probleme. Something wrong with Tag&Rename.
Some programs write album artist differently. Does the BAND tag show up in foobar2000 > Properties? If so, replace $meta(album artist) with $meta(band) or %band%. Otherwise, rewrite the Album Artist tag using Foobar2000.

Possible! Try using other program, like Mp3tag
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BelleAndZEK on 2008-03-11 16:31:26
Yes I got it to work last night. Everything is PERFECT now.
I use Tag&Rename to tag my files and the 'Album Artist' is actually called BAND.
It's called 'Album Artist' in Tag&Rename even if the field is actually BAND.
I didn't know different programs were using different names for 'Album Artist'.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2008-03-11 16:46:10
Yes I got it to work last night. Everything is PERFECT now.
I use Tag&Rename to tag my files and the 'Album Artist' is actually called BAND.
It's called 'Album Artist' in Tag&Rename even if the field is actually BAND.
I didn't know different programs were using different names for 'Album Artist'.
iTunes does it this way too (BAND). If you plan to continue using fb2k, then I would suggest that you add the Album Artist tag using fb2k. Foobar uses that tag in a lot of places within the program. Personally, I use both tags; one for fb2k and the other in case I need it for my iPod (iTunes).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BelleAndZEK on 2008-03-11 19:00:06
Yes adding both would be the best thing to do I guess. I'm used to Tag&Rename to tag/retag freshly ripped cds so I'll stick with it, but at some point I'll probably add the Album Artist tags with Foobar.
I have my library sorted by directory structure wich would give the same result if sorted by Album Artist.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-03-11 23:12:09
Hi musicmusic, tried the latest test version with a jailbroken ipod touch with mixed results. Firstly I tried adding a song to my ipod which already had several thousand tracks on it, half way through loading the library foo_dop threw up an error about not being able to read the itunesDB and my ipod crashed, not sure if this was due to foo_dop or something else. After, tracks appeared on the ipod but wouldn't play, even after manually resorting the itunesDB. After this I had to restore the ipod through itunes and re-jailbreak.

Next I added 1 song to the ipod through itunes, then added 1 through foo_bar. The song added in itunes plays fine in on the ipod and in foobar; the song added through foobar appears on the ipod and appears to play (ie the progress bar moves) but there is no sound through the headphones. When reloading the library in foobar the details on the song added through foobar are not loading (not even manually) and the track won't play (object not found error comes up in foobar). Also when using foo_dop no messages at all appear on the ipod screen.

Sorry for this being so confusing.

edit: When loading the database in itunes file details are loaded however the file still won't play.

re:edit: The track is present on the ipod when browsing the the files on the ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-11 23:39:49
Thank you for checking!

From your description it seems like there were some problems with file paths in the database, I found some problems and made some fixes there in .26 so hopefully that should improve things.

Regarding the iPod crash, you mean it restarted whilst foo_dop was loading the library? Not sure exactly why if that happens again please let me know.

BTW: after restoring the backup iTunesDB, the iPod won't load it automatically. If you can't get the trick I mentioned to work, restarting the iPod should do it, restoring the iPod shouldn't be necessary.

Anyway, from your description the hashing seems to be working correctly (good) and am I correct in thinking the touch did see the changes foo_dop made automatically (even if they didn't work)?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-03-12 00:46:13
Well done!!! We have a winner!!

Everything seems to be working fine, artwork, soundcheck, gaplesss etc. One small issue, when deleting a track from the ipod it doesn't reload the DB on the ipod, I need to start itunes for the track listing to disapear. Apart from that thank you!!

edit: when loading tracks  the syncing screen appears on the ipod, but not when removing tracks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-12 01:07:51
Great

Strange about the removing tracks thing - as far as I can see foo_dop should be doing the same thing there as when sending files. If there is an error sending the commands that control this there should be a message in the console (it may be same problem reported before - that was "AMDPostNotification returned 3892314113" or "Invalid socket", I don't know the cause of this).

What still needs to be done:
-Reading the play counts file
-Probably reading the OTG playlists

Can you tell me if iTunes automatically converts OTG playlists into normal playlists when you run it (like it does on normal iPods)?
Also, a sample of a OnTheGoPlaylist.plist file may now be useful

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-12 01:18:13
Would it be possible to have it populate an ipod playlist using info from the database alone? Maybe you could just use the DB info to have it point to the files, without forcing foobar to actually scan all the files for tags. This way the ipod could be very quickly mounted and have files played like in itunes. If you really need the extra tags, you could just tell foobar to rescan them.

edit: actually, the caching system seems to work pretty well    Just curious, where is the cache actually stored?

edit2: Ok, after testing copying files to ipod touch, it actually doesnt seem to be working properly. I am not getting a syncing screen at all and the database doesnt get updated until I reboot the ipod. The console shows this when I send a file: "Apple Mobile Device: Warning: Invalid socket"

The copy also seems to take an unusually long time, even just for a single file it can take maybe 20 seconds, whereas other programs usually just take a few second for each file (and no, im not talking about any unusually large mp3s). Also, the art seems to be corrupted (its all distorted and blocky in coverflow mode and the colors look wierd and inversed or something in Now Playing). Not sure why pnjman's would work but not mine.

edit3: Just noticed another issue. It seems to be messing up the sorting order for artists starting with a number. It groups them with the A's instead of putting them in the "123" group which is what it should do.

Good progress, though, since at least the files seem to play fine and my database is intact. I haven't tried deleting songs yet but ill let you know if I do.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Grue on 2008-03-12 03:26:32
Much praise for this component. The iPod handling seems to work flawlessly on my end as of now. I have a problem with the transcoding though. The LAME converter that comes with foobar2k as default works without a hitch but the different LAME binaries I've downloaded all give an error when foo_dop tries to transcode my ogg files (haven't tried other formats).

It seems like it's doing something. The 'encoding' takes roughly the time I would expect but then it exits with the following error:

Failed to add file to iPod: Conversion failed - Unexpected process exit code FFFFFFFFf. I'm sure it's just me doing something incredibly stupid, but a lot of googling haven't turned up a solution sadly.

Edit:

Btw, I've tried using the standard command that came with the component and lame -h -V 6 %d
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-12 15:56:21
edit: actually, the caching system seems to work pretty well    Just curious, where is the cache actually stored?
It's stored on the iPod itself.

edit2: Ok, after testing copying files to ipod touch, it actually doesnt seem to be working properly. I am not getting a syncing screen at all and the database doesnt get updated until I reboot the ipod. The console shows this when I send a file: "Apple Mobile Device: Warning: Invalid socket"
OK, seems like the sync screen thing is still temperamental and this is linked to the iPod reloading the database. I'll try and look into this but really it will be difficult to fix without an iPod touch to experiment.

The copy also seems to take an unusually long time, even just for a single file it can take maybe 20 seconds, whereas other programs usually just take a few second for each file (and no, im not talking about any unusually large mp3s).
Which stage of the process is taking time?

Also, the art seems to be corrupted (its all distorted and blocky in coverflow mode and the colors look wierd and inversed or something in Now Playing). Not sure why pnjman's would work but not mine.
OK yes definitely there were some problems with artwork, I've made some corrections there in .27 so hopefully that should be OK now. It would be an idea to remove the tracks you sent with dodgy artwork first.

edit3: Just noticed another issue. It seems to be messing up the sorting order for artists starting with a number. It groups them with the A's instead of putting them in the "123" group which is what it should do.
Yes this affects Classics and Nano 3Gs in a similar way, I'll try and change this soon.

Much praise for this component. The iPod handling seems to work flawlessly on my end as of now. I have a problem with the transcoding though. The LAME converter that comes with foobar2k as default works without a hitch but the different LAME binaries I've downloaded all give an error when foo_dop tries to transcode my ogg files (haven't tried other formats).

It seems like it's doing something. The 'encoding' takes roughly the time I would expect but then it exits with the following error:

Failed to add file to iPod: Conversion failed - Unexpected process exit code FFFFFFFFf. I'm sure it's just me doing something incredibly stupid, but a lot of googling haven't turned up a solution sadly.

Edit:

Btw, I've tried using the standard command that came with the component and lame -h -V 6 %d
Your command is incorrect, you need a hyphen before %d like this: lame -h -V 6 - %d (I didn't check the rest of the command).

If you still have problems I would make sure you are using the the version of LAME from here (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Lame_Compiles#Recommended_encoder_compiles_and_source_code).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-12 16:41:58
Artwork seems to be working now. Nice job!
The file transfer seems to hang the longest on the "copying artwork" process. For a single file, it seems to take around 7-8 seconds. Other programs like mediamonkey seem to take only a few seconds total for each file (and it updates the artwork and database after each file, so you can cancel the transer at any time and not mess the whole thing up). Could it maybe have something to do with the artwork resizing algorithm?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Grue on 2008-03-12 20:22:38
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our command is incorrect, you need a hyphen before %d like this: lame -h -V 6 - %d (I didn't check the rest of the command).

If you still have problems I would make sure you are using the the version of LAME from here.

I tried that command with the encoder you linked to (which I'd tried already but hey...), but it still gives me the same exit code. Thanks for the fast reply though.

I've tried using the lame encoder on the commandline to convert an ogg but the end result is just static so something's definately wrong.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-12 20:44:52
Artwork seems to be working now. Nice job!
The file transfer seems to hang the longest on the "copying artwork" process. For a single file, it seems to take around 7-8 seconds. Other programs like mediamonkey seem to take only a few seconds total for each file (and it updates the artwork and database after each file, so you can cancel the transer at any time and not mess the whole thing up). Could it maybe have something to do with the artwork resizing algorithm?
I think I can improve this, try next build when it's released.

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our command is incorrect, you need a hyphen before %d like this: lame -h -V 6 - %d (I didn't check the rest of the command).

If you still have problems I would make sure you are using the the version of LAME from here.

I tried that command with the encoder you linked to (which I'd tried already but hey...), but it still gives me the same exit code. Thanks for the fast reply though.

I've tried using the lame encoder on the commandline to convert an ogg but the end result is just static so something's definately wrong.
OK, this is broken in 0.5.6.x. Try 0.5.5, it's mostly iPhone/iPod touch stuff in 0.5.6 anyway.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Grue on 2008-03-12 22:08:33
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OK, this is broken in 0.5.6.x. Try 0.5.5, it's mostly iPhone/iPod touch stuff in 0.5.6 anyway.

That did the trick. Thank you very much .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-13 00:10:56
Thanks for reporting the problem

So, 0.5.6.28 is released. Just a couple of changes:
-Made some changes to artwork file preallocation strategy. Should be faster now (especially on iPod touch/iPhone).
-Converting files is now done via a temporary file on the local drive. So conversion should now work on the iPod touch/iPhone, and also this resolves some issues that would arise if I was to implement the ability to convert multiple files simultaneously.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-13 02:41:12
Once again, great work! That seems to have basically halved the transfer time for me. Also, I tried to remove a file, and that seems to work, as well. Like adding, though, I need to reset the ipod before the it reflects the changes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-13 18:19:19
Like adding, though, I need to reset the ipod before the it reflects the changes.
I tried some tricks in this version (http://yuo.be/download/F1E8BB5B-E0D5-4d81-866D-B7823F96204E/foo_dop-0.5.6.29-TEST.7z), they may help but if not it's a bit of a dead end  Check console for any errors etc.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-13 18:41:28
Interesting...it now updates the databse correctly for both adding and removing songs and it shows the syncing screen. However, the sync screen only shows up for about 1 second, instead of during the entire process. For example if I send a bunch of files, it shows the sync screen for just a second and then will actually start transferring the files, updating the db and art, etc. afterwards. Not a huge issue, but it would be nice if it worked more closely to how it was intended.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-13 19:08:33
Interesting...it now updates the databse correctly for both adding and removing songs and it shows the syncing screen.
Sounds good  Keep an eye on it still though, in case it's just "less temperamental".

However, the sync screen only shows up for about 1 second, instead of during the entire process. For example if I send a bunch of files, it shows the sync screen for just a second and then will actually start transferring the files, updating the db and art, etc. afterwards. Not a huge issue, but it would be nice if it worked more closely to how it was intended.
I can change this, but the solution I have doesn't exactly makes sense.. It relates back to those buttons you were pressing before on the prefs page. As long as otherwise it is working OK I don't think it's too important.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-13 20:39:53
So I'm guessing you just have to play around with the commands you are sending and when you send them. Let me know if you need me to test anything again. Btw, now that this is working, any chance of adding support for sending videos or photos? I know photos are unlikely since images arent really foobar's thing, bu maybe you could just have a dropbox panel or something that could accept files from explorer. That is the one thing I still have to use itunes for, and Id love to finally ditch it. Oh, and Ive also been running mediamonkey occasionally to get it to fix the # sorting on the ipod, so hopefully you can work that out.

Just a couple more suggestions. Could you maybe have an option to automatically reload the ipod library when the ipod is connected, or when songs are added/removed? Also, not sure if this is possible, but could the ipod database be automatically updated if file tags are edited (files on the ipod itself)? Last, Im still hoping for a rating mapping option.

Thanks again and sorry if I sound demanding.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-13 23:43:27
So I'm guessing you just have to play around with the commands you are sending and when you send them.
Well, there kinda more like notifications. One is like "before sync", one is "sync started" and other is "sync finished". The second one clears the sync screen, I don't believe it should so I am probably missing something. The other solution is moving the second one until after the sync finishes, but I don't believe it should be like that that's why I've left it as is.

Btw, now that this is working, any chance of adding support for sending videos or photos?
Videos you can do, you'll probably want to tag them though, there's some info in the wiki.

Photos - maybe in the future, plenty of other things to work on first though.

Oh, and Ive also been running mediamonkey occasionally to get it to fix the # sorting on the ipod, so hopefully you can work that out.
Yes I don't know why Apple sort numbers after letters  I'll try and get this fixed soon but it depends on how complicated the fix gets.

Just a couple more suggestions. Could you maybe have an option to automatically reload the ipod library when the ipod is connected, or when songs are added/removed?
Are you referring to the playlist in foobar2000? Could make it an option but the progress dialogs (specifically the metadata loading one for metadata that's not cached, I can't suppress/embed that anywhere unfortunately) may be annoying, though I guess if it's optional it wouldn't matter so much.

Also, not sure if this is possible, but could the ipod database be automatically updated if file tags are edited (files on the ipod itself)?
You can do it manually, by "Update metadata in iPod library" in the context menu, but I don't plan on making an automatic option at the moment.

Last, Im still hoping for a rating mapping option.
OK I'll try add something.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-14 02:53:41
Thanks for considering all my comments. I cant seem to get video support to work, though. I sent a small mp4, and it seems to transfer fine and shows up when I load the library in foobar, but doesnt show up on the ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-15 08:24:24
It doesn't show up anywhere on the iPod? Strange. I'll try something in next build.

BTW: do you actually need the directory lister in preferences? I can split it off into another component if so, but it will be removed from foo_dop.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hengest on 2008-03-15 11:00:43
I'm not sure what's going on here:

(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7666/foodopuo8.th.png) (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foodopuo8.png)

I selected a playlist containing ~14 000+ songs, and went to iPod -> send to iPod. Somehow, it seems to think i have over 4 billion songs lol.

Using v 0.5.6.29 TEST with a 160 Gb iPod Classic.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-15 14:38:13
I ssh-ed into the ipod and the video file did get transferred (its in one of the iTunes_Control/Music/ folders) its just not showing up in video section on the ipod. I checked the music section too, just in case, but its not there either.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-03-15 23:01:50
Please try this (http://yuo.be/download/F1E8BB5B-E0D5-4d81-866D-B7823F96204E/foo_dop-0.5.6.24-TEST.7z) version. I basically reverted a couple changes from memory that are probably the culprit.


Okay, I finally got the chance to try it out.

The left side of the album art that used to be cropped off is now showing, but the right side remains the same.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-16 17:34:17
I'm not sure what's going on here:

[a href="http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foodopuo8.png" target="_blank"] Should be fixed in 0.5.6.30.

I ssh-ed into the ipod and the video file did get transferred (its in one of the iTunes_Control/Music/ folders) its just not showing up in video section on the ipod. I checked the music section too, just in case, but its not there either.
I made a change in 0.5.6.30; just a stab in the dark so may not have any effect, try it and let me know.

Okay, I finally got the chance to try it out.

The left side of the album art that used to be cropped off is now showing, but the right side remains the same.
OK, it should be back to how it was in 0.5.6.30.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-16 18:01:29
Nope, nada. However I noticed something wierd. The video actually shows up on the iPod in itunes, but not on the device itself. It seems that itunes is reading the database differently than the ipod or is reading the files directly. Btw, I tried resetting the ipod to see if that would make it show up, but no luck.

edit: Btw, I noticed that transferring songs still seems to take a while. It seemed like it was faster, but now it appears to be sort of random. Sometimes the art transferring step just takes an unusually long time.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-16 20:22:10
There was a small error in .30 try .31.

If it still doesn't work, I need a backup of your iTunesDB with the last two things sent to it two videos (one by foo_dop one by something that works).

Also, is the 'numbers under A' thing OK now?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-16 21:37:33
BINGO! Videos and # sorting are both working now. Im not sure which tag I need to use to distinguish TV Shows from Movies, though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-16 21:52:28
Great

I will add a video tagger some day. For now see these two links:
http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:notes#video_support (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:notes#video_support)
http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:dop#field_mappings (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:dop#field_mappings)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-16 22:19:42
Oh, alright. You should probably add that video support info to the field mapping wiki. Now that transferring everything seems to be working, ive been testing out some other stuff. I found that the lyrics support isnt quite working correctly. I use the UNSYNCED LYRICS tag, and they show up, however at the beginning of the text is some code which shows other metadata like artist, title, and date. Also some of the lyrics at the end get cut off. While im on the subject, lyrics field mapping would be nice too. The more database fields you let us map, the better, in my opinion.

Also, album art is still transferring really slowly. This is espcially noticeable when I transfer a whole album, and the art is sent for one file at a time. It seems like it should only be doing that once for a single album, anyway. This gets me worried that maybe the art is taking up a lot more disk space then it needs to because it gets sent for each song individually.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-16 22:41:35
I use the UNSYNCED LYRICS tag, and they show up, however at the beginning of the text is some code which shows other metadata like artist, title, and date. Also some of the lyrics at the end get cut off. While im on the subject, lyrics field mapping would be nice too. The more database fields you let us map, the better, in my opinion.
The iPod reads lyrics directly from the tag. So, shouldn't really be much to do with me, foo_dop is not supplying it with any lyrics. You can try the compatibility mode of id3v2 tagging in foobar2000 if you are still having problems.

Also, album art is still transferring really slowly. This is espcially noticeable when I transfer a whole album, and the art is sent for one file at a time. It seems like it should only be doing that once for a single album, anyway. This gets me worried that maybe the art is taking up a lot more disk space then it needs to because it gets sent for each song individually.
No, it should be shared between tracks in the same album according to their metadata (note: this is currently not working for various artist albums).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-16 22:50:01
Oh, yeah the album I just transferred was a compilation which explains the art. I understand its probably a challenge trying to find the perfect test to differentiate separate compilation albums if they have the same name. Maybe you could have a titleformatting box where we could enter our own code that would return a unique album identifier. For example, since I keep all my albums in separate folders, I could just use %path%

id3v2 compatibility mode fixed the lyrics problem, btw, so thanks for the tip.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-03-17 09:42:59
OK, it should be back to how it was in 0.5.6.30.
It worked a charm thanks.

I notice on the new version, under the 'iPod Manager' preferences that there is a new database option - numbers last sorting.
You then state (you missed a word by the way) that "(disabling may issues on recent iPod models)".
So unchecking this box will stuff up the iPod? The older versions (when there was no option to chose from) used to have it sort by numbers first or not?

Also, how does the "Ignore leading 'The' when sorting on iPod" work? Does it use the PERFORMERSORTORDER (TSOP ID3v2) tag to store or get it's information from?


Cheers.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-17 10:30:37
I notice on the new version, under the 'iPod Manager' preferences that there is a new database option - numbers last sorting.
You then state (you missed a word by the way) that "(disabling may issues on recent iPod models)".
So unchecking this box will stuff up the iPod? The older versions (when there was no option to chose from) used to have it sort by numbers first or not?
Yes. It doesn't stuff up your iPod but disabling it will cause some oddities with the "scroll by big letters" thing on Classics/Nano 3Gs. So if you don't mind that you can disable it just like previous versions.

Also, how does the "Ignore leading 'The' when sorting on iPod" work? Does it use the PERFORMERSORTORDER (TSOP ID3v2) tag to store or get it's information from?
No, it just doesn't use any leading "the" in most fields when sorting. So, The Simpsons goes under S.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: wtstommy on 2008-03-17 22:58:56
I'm curious: is there any chance of integrating Foobar's own "Convert to..." dialog within this plugin (like the "Send to Device" plugin does). That might be an interesting was of solving several issues at one (support for embedded CUE sheets, for example).

Just a thought.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-03-18 03:18:48
No, it just doesn't use any leading "the" in most fields when sorting. So, The Simpsons goes under S.
Sorry to be annoying. I understand what it does, I just don't understand where it holds the decision it has made. Is it stored in the db? Or done on-the-fly?

I like this feature (the removing of the "The") but only on artists and albums, I don't like it applied to songs.
Hence why I have used the TSOA (album), TSOT(title), TSOP(performer) ID3v2 fields to store the way I want it sorted. I use MP3TAG to get rid of the "The" at the start of the artist and album names, but keep the title the same.

Is there any chance of these fields being implemented into your plugin for custom sorting?
I like how you can turn the 'numbers last' sorting off, that's a good feature!

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' post='414002' date='Jul 21 2006, 16:13']PS :  I have a few albums called "greatest hits" (by different artists) -- I'm not sure if this is possible, but can you tell the database not to display them all as being in same album "greatest hits" when loading the "albums" view?  Otherwise, I guess I'll have to change my tags...
Also, was this ever answered or developed?

Anyway, thanks for the good progress on this, I'm really enjoying using this now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-18 17:21:15
Sorry to be annoying. I understand what it does, I just don't understand where it holds the decision it has made. Is it stored in the db? Or done on-the-fly?
I guess "stored in the db" is the more accurate description.

I like this feature (the removing of the "The") but only on artists and albums, I don't like it applied to songs.
Hence why I have used the TSOA (album), TSOT(title), TSOP(performer) ID3v2 fields to store the way I want it sorted. I use MP3TAG to get rid of the "The" at the start of the artist and album names, but keep the title the same.

Is there any chance of these fields being implemented into your plugin for custom sorting?
As far as I can tell, foobar2000 does not support these fields, so I can't use them.

Sort fields like this are supported by the iPod though, at the moment they are calculated automatically based on that preference you mentioned.

So, I can add support for sort fields but they would be different fields to those you mentioned. The question is what to name these fields - either id3v2 like "xxx SORT ORDER" or just "SORT xxx" or ...

I like how you can turn the 'numbers last' sorting off, that's a good feature!
Well, definitely some people would be annoyed otherwise..

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' post='414002' date='Jul 21 2006, 16:13']PS :  I have a few albums called "greatest hits" (by different artists) -- I'm not sure if this is possible, but can you tell the database not to display them all as being in same album "greatest hits" when loading the "albums" view?  Otherwise, I guess I'll have to change my tags...
Also, was this ever answered or developed?

Anyway, thanks for the good progress on this, I'm really enjoying using this now.
There was some issues with the iPod relating to this, I'll check what the state of things is on my Classic.

I'm curious: is there any chance of integrating Foobar's own "Convert to..." dialog within this plugin (like the "Send to Device" plugin does). That might be an interesting was of solving several issues at one (support for embedded CUE sheets, for example).

Just a thought.
It's not possible. Chapters are supported for transcoding anyway.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2008-03-18 17:40:37
For sorting with foo_dop, I use "albumartistsortorder" & "artistsortorder". They are Txxx frames, but fb2k reads & writes both tags. I use ID3v2.3 tags for mp3 and mp4 tags on my m4a files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-18 23:16:34
Spaces are good though

I'll probably just use "<fieldname> SORT ORDER" (seems like most likely candidate for the ID3v2 mappings if they ever get added). Probably some remappings too.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2008-03-19 00:07:17
Yes, spaces are good and so are remappings.  I've pretty much given up the idea of using iTunes tagging. fb2k & iTunes tagging co-existing together is a real bear. Now, if only fb2k would recognize m4b files, I'd do away with iTunes entirely. One can only dream, I suppose.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-20 00:14:18
0.5.6.33 released:
  * Now reads play counts from iPod touch/iPhones. So should be able to scrobble those if one desires. Needs testing - check console for errors (file not found is OK unless there are unprocessed play counts).
  * I added the overdue video tagger, accessible from "iPod/Video Properties". It's meant to be used before you send files to your iPod; if you are using it on files on your iPod you will need to additionally use the "iPod/Update metadata in iPod library" command.
  * Sparse artwork handling uses album artist now.

There was some issues with the iPod relating to this, I'll check what the state of things is on my Classic.
I checked on my Classic with iTunes and it seemed to do it no matter what - sorry.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Harun on 2008-03-20 00:17:00
i'm too lazy to search this thread to see if this question/request has been asked  , but:

is there a possibility to add a queuing feature to foo_dop when you're in the process of adding files?

right now you get the 'ipod is busy' notification, and if i am going through my music library adding albums one by one, i have to wait until foo_dop is done adding songs until i do it all over again. and again. and again.   
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-20 01:11:45
The newest build is causing foobar to crash while its reading the ipod database. Heres the log:
Code: [Select]
Illegal operation:
Code: C0000005h, flags: 00000000h, address: 014D74F4h
Access violation, operation: read, address: 00000CD8h
Call path not available.
Code bytes (014D74F4h):
014D74B4h:  59 5F 5E 83 C4 14 C2 04 00 CC CC CC 6A FF 68 28
014D74C4h:  79 51 01 64 A1 00 00 00 00 50 83 EC 08 56 57 A1
014D74D4h:  A0 80 53 01 33 C4 50 8D 44 24 14 64 A3 00 00 00
014D74E4h:  00 8B F1 8B 46 10 8B 48 04 8B 54 24 24 8D 04 91
014D74F4h:  8B 10 8D 4C 24 0C 51 8B 4E 04 E8 3D EB FE FF C7
014D7504h:  44 24 1C 00 00 00 00 8B 56 0C 52 50 8B 46 08 FF
014D7514h:  D0 C7 44 24 24 FF FF FF FF 8B 74 24 14 83 C4 08
014D7524h:  8B F8 C7 44 24 10 00 00 00 00 C7 44 24 0C 00 00
Stack (0BABF8D0h):
0BABF8B0h:  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0BABF8C0h:  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0BABF8D0h:  90B99967 00000000 00000336 0BABFEAC
0BABF8E0h:  0BF17018 0BABFEE8 01517928 FFFFFFFF
0BABF8F0h:  014FEF52 00000336 0BF17018 0BABFEC8
0BABF900h:  0BABFEF4 01565FA4 014D72A1 0BABF918
0BABF910h:  0BABF914 015146A0 015242FC 01565FA4
0BABF920h:  014D9B10 0BF17018 0BABFEC8 014D2B52
0BABF930h:  0000066D 0BABFF0C 90B99F47 01565EDC
0BABF940h:  01565E68 01565E68 00000000 00000001
0BABF950h:  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0BABF960h:  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0BABF970h:  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0BABF980h:  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0BABF990h:  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0BABF9A0h:  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0BABF9B0h:  00000000 63650000 00000000 746E0000
0BABF9C0h:  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0BABF9D0h:  00000000 00000000 00000002 001501D8
0BABF9E0h:  00000000 00000000 00010000 00000000
Registers:
EAX: 00000CD8, EBX: 0000066D, ECX: 00000000, EDX: 00000336
ESI: 0BABF918, EDI: 00000000, EBP: 0BABF918, ESP: 0BABF8D0
Crash location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h

Loaded modules:
foobar2000                      loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
ntdll                            loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
kernel32                        loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
COMCTL32                        loaded at 773D0000h - 774D3000h
msvcrt                          loaded at 77C10000h - 77C68000h
ADVAPI32                        loaded at 77DD0000h - 77E6B000h
RPCRT4                          loaded at 77E70000h - 77F02000h
Secur32                          loaded at 77FE0000h - 77FF1000h
GDI32                            loaded at 77F10000h - 77F57000h
USER32                          loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
SHLWAPI                          loaded at 77F60000h - 77FD6000h
SHELL32                          loaded at 7C9C0000h - 7D1D7000h
ole32                            loaded at 774E0000h - 7761D000h
shared                          loaded at 10000000h - 1002A000h
COMDLG32                        loaded at 763B0000h - 763F9000h
IMM32                            loaded at 76390000h - 763AD000h
AirfoilInject                    loaded at 00380000h - 003A8000h
winmm                            loaded at 76B40000h - 76B6D000h
dsound                          loaded at 73F10000h - 73F6C000h
VERSION                          loaded at 77C00000h - 77C08000h
MSCTF                            loaded at 74720000h - 7476B000h
msctfime                        loaded at 755C0000h - 755EE000h
foo_abx                          loaded at 00F20000h - 00F53000h
foo_albumlist                    loaded at 00F80000h - 00FE7000h
foo_appcommand                  loaded at 01010000h - 01026000h
foo_audioscrobbler              loaded at 01050000h - 01080000h
WS2_32                          loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
WS2HELP                          loaded at 71AA0000h - 71AA8000h
foo_autoplaylist                loaded at 010A0000h - 010D0000h
foo_cdda                        loaded at 010F0000h - 01125000h
foo_converter                    loaded at 01150000h - 011B9000h
foo_cwbowron                    loaded at 011E0000h - 01208000h
gdiplus                          loaded at 4EC50000h - 4EDF3000h
foo_cwb_hooks                    loaded at 01240000h - 0128C000h
foo_dbsearch                    loaded at 012B0000h - 01320000h
OLEAUT32                        loaded at 77120000h - 771AB000h
foo_dirwatch                    loaded at 01340000h - 0136E000h
foo_discogs                      loaded at 01390000h - 01424000h
foo_dockable_panels              loaded at 01440000h - 01473000h
foo_dop                          loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
SETUPAPI                        loaded at 77920000h - 77A13000h
UxTheme                          loaded at 5AD70000h - 5ADA8000h
foo_dsp_continuator              loaded at 01570000h - 01586000h
MSVCP80                          loaded at 7C420000h - 7C4A7000h
MSVCR80                          loaded at 78130000h - 781CB000h
foo_dsp_crossfader              loaded at 015B0000h - 015E0000h
foo_dsp_skip_silence            loaded at 01600000h - 01623000h
foo_dsp_soundtouch              loaded at 01650000h - 01673000h
libmmd                          loaded at 01690000h - 01941000h
foo_dsp_std                      loaded at 01960000h - 019A8000h
foo_dsp_vlevel                  loaded at 019D0000h - 019F4000h
foo_dsp_vst~                    loaded at 01A20000h - 01A42000h
foo_dsp_winamp                  loaded at 01A70000h - 01A93000h
foo_dts                          loaded at 01AC0000h - 01B16000h
foo_etc                          loaded at 01B30000h - 01B67000h
id3lib                          loaded at 01B70000h - 01BFE000h
CLBCATQ                          loaded at 76FD0000h - 7704F000h
COMRes                          loaded at 77050000h - 77115000h
vbscript                        loaded at 73300000h - 73365000h
SXS                              loaded at 75E90000h - 75F40000h
foo_exvar                        loaded at 01C50000h - 01C7E000h
foo_facets                      loaded at 01DA0000h - 01E20000h
MSIMG32                          loaded at 76380000h - 76385000h
foo_fileops                      loaded at 01E40000h - 01E86000h
foo_freedb2                      loaded at 01EB0000h - 01EF1000h
foo_func                        loaded at 01F20000h - 01F5E000h
foo_highlightplaying            loaded at 01F70000h - 01F91000h
foo_input_mslive                loaded at 01FC0000h - 02007000h
WMVCore                          loaded at 15110000h - 1536A000h
WMASF                            loaded at 11C70000h - 11CAA000h
foo_input_reverse                loaded at 02030000h - 0205E000h
foo_input_std                    loaded at 02070000h - 02198000h
foo_input_wma                    loaded at 021C0000h - 021EE000h
foo_listeningto                  loaded at 02210000h - 02220000h
foo_masstag                      loaded at 02230000h - 0227F000h
foo_masstag_addons              loaded at 022A0000h - 022C1000h
foo_masstag_replace              loaded at 022F0000h - 02321000h
foo_menu_addons                  loaded at 02350000h - 023AD000h
foo_minimize_on_close            loaded at 023C0000h - 023D6000h
foo_misc_addons                  loaded at 02400000h - 0243C000h
foo_mlt                          loaded at 02450000h - 0245A000h
foo_navigator                    loaded at 02470000h - 024A1000h
foo_playcount                    loaded at 024D0000h - 024F5000h
foo_playlist_bind                loaded at 02520000h - 02545000h
foo_pqview                      loaded at 02560000h - 0258D000h
foo_prettypop                    loaded at 025B0000h - 025FD000h
mscoree                          loaded at 79000000h - 79046000h
msvcm80                          loaded at 7C4C0000h - 7C53D000h
mscorwks                        loaded at 79E70000h - 7A40A000h
mscorlib.ni                      loaded at 790C0000h - 79BE8000h
mscorjit                        loaded at 79060000h - 790B6000h
rsaenh                          loaded at 0FFD0000h - 0FFF8000h
foo_preview                      loaded at 04A90000h - 04AB1000h
foo_quicktag                    loaded at 04B50000h - 04B8E000h
foo_removefromqueue              loaded at 04BB0000h - 04BBA000h
foo_rgscan                      loaded at 04BD0000h - 04C2A000h
foo_run                          loaded at 04C50000h - 04C7E000h
foo_runcmd                      loaded at 04CA0000h - 04CCF000h
foo_scrobblecharts              loaded at 04CF0000h - 04D23000h
WININET                          loaded at 42C10000h - 42CDF000h
Normaliz                        loaded at 04D40000h - 04D49000h
iertutil                        loaded at 42990000h - 429D5000h
foo_snap                        loaded at 04F70000h - 04F86000h
foo_tlbRC                        loaded at 04FB0000h - 04FD0000h
foo_trackpos                    loaded at 04FF0000h - 0500F000h
foo_truephase_hq                loaded at 05030000h - 0504E000h
foo_uie_albumart                loaded at 05070000h - 050AD000h
foo_uie_bookmarks                loaded at 050D0000h - 05123000h
foo_uie_explorer                loaded at 05140000h - 0517C000h
foo_uie_lyrics                  loaded at 051A0000h - 051FF000h
foo_uie_lyrics_art              loaded at 05220000h - 052CB000h
foo_uie_lyrics_panel            loaded at 052E0000h - 05344000h
foo_uie_panel_splitter          loaded at 05370000h - 053B2000h
foo_uie_quicksearch              loaded at 053E0000h - 05426000h
foo_uie_typefind                loaded at 05450000h - 05480000h
foo_uie_vis_channel_spectrum    loaded at 054A0000h - 054D9000h
foo_uie_vis_projectm            loaded at 05500000h - 0554A000h
OPENGL32                        loaded at 5ED00000h - 5EDCC000h
GLU32                            loaded at 68B20000h - 68B40000h
DDRAW                            loaded at 73760000h - 737A9000h
DCIMAN32                        loaded at 73BC0000h - 73BC6000h
foo_ui_columns                  loaded at 05CE0000h - 05DF9000h
foo_ui_std                      loaded at 05E20000h - 05EE1000h
foo_unpack                      loaded at 05F10000h - 05F3D000h
foo_utils                        loaded at 05F60000h - 05FA4000h
foo_vis_screensaver              loaded at 05FD0000h - 05FFB000h
foo_vis_shpeck                  loaded at 06020000h - 06049000h
foo_winamp_ipc                  loaded at 06060000h - 06082000h
foo_winamp_spam                  loaded at 060B0000h - 060CF000h
System.ni                        loaded at 7A440000h - 7AC3E000h
System.Drawing.ni                loaded at 7ADE0000h - 7AF7C000h
System.Windows.Forms.ni          loaded at 7AFD0000h - 7BCA2000h
PopUpIcons                      loaded at 066C0000h - 066C6000h
WINTRUST                        loaded at 76C30000h - 76C5E000h
CRYPT32                          loaded at 77A80000h - 77B14000h
MSASN1                          loaded at 77B20000h - 77B32000h
IMAGEHLP                        loaded at 76C90000h - 76CB8000h
CoreFoundation                  loaded at 18000000h - 18110000h
WSOCK32                          loaded at 71AD0000h - 71AD9000h
YSFileShim                      loaded at 0AA50000h - 0AA5A000h
icuuc36                          loaded at 0AA60000h - 0AB28000h
icudt36                          loaded at 0AB30000h - 0B237000h
icuin36                          loaded at 0B240000h - 0B2CD000h
pthreadGC2                      loaded at 0B2D0000h - 0B2DF000h
libobjc.i386.A                  loaded at 22200000h - 2229D000h
mslbui                          loaded at 605D0000h - 605D9000h
iTunesMobileDevice              loaded at 0B430000h - 0B544000h
QuickTime                        loaded at 66800000h - 6777F000h
mswsock                          loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
hnetcfg                          loaded at 662B0000h - 66308000h
wshtcpip                        loaded at 71A90000h - 71A98000h
DBGHELP                          loaded at 59A60000h - 59B01000h

Stack dump analysis:
Address: 01517928h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 014FEF52h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 014D72A1h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 015146A0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 015242FCh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 014D9B10h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 014D2B52h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 7C910600h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlAllocateHeap" (+0000002Ch)
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 7C90EE00h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+000000FFh)
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 7C910500h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+000000C3h)
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 7C910700h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlAllocateHeap" (+0000012Ch)
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 7C918E00h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlUnicodeStringToInteger" (+0000019Fh)
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 7C918DFAh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlUnicodeStringToInteger" (+00000199h)
Address: 7C90D625h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "ZwContinue" (+0000000Ch)
Address: 7C90EE18h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+00000117h)
Address: 7C9106F0h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlAllocateHeap" (+0000011Ch)
Address: 7C9106EBh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlAllocateHeap" (+00000117h)
Address: 015046EEh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 014DAF9Dh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 014A3AEEh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 7C9106F0h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlAllocateHeap" (+0000011Ch)
Address: 7C9106EBh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlAllocateHeap" (+00000117h)
Address: 014A3C1Fh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 014B2D8Eh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01522160h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01526F68h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 01522160h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 0152442Ch, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 0151CF36h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 014DBF13h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 014CFD1Bh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 7E41A303h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "ClientThreadSetup" (+000002F9h)
Address: 0151CF60h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 014C74ABh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 7E41A303h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "ClientThreadSetup" (+000002F9h)
Address: 014C64DAh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 7C80B683h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "GetModuleFileNameA" (+000001B4h)
Address: 7E41A303h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "ClientThreadSetup" (+000002F9h)
Address: 7C839AA8h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "ValidateLocale" (+000002B0h)
Address: 7C80B690h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "GetModuleFileNameA" (+000001C1h)
Address: 014C64D0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 014A0000h - 0154B000h
Address: 06080056h, location: "foo_winamp_ipc", loaded at 06060000h - 06082000h
Address: 7C800000h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h

Version info:
foobar2000 v0.9.5.1
UNICODE
Windows 5.1[
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-20 01:33:46
Ah, should be fixed now thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-03-20 01:51:59
Musicmusic,

Sorry if this has been asked before, but does this support the 80 GB and/or 160 GB iPod classics? I didn't see this model in the list of supported iPods, and was just wondering if this will work when I get a 80/160 in a few weeks.

Thanks .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Saturos on 2008-03-20 02:05:30
Eeeps, I was wrong when I said that I had solved the problem of converting on the fly  . Here is a screenshot showing the problem:

[a href="http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=errorex4.jpg" target="_blank"]

EDIT: I checked my "Additional encoder executable locations" and added my foobar2k folder. It has "lame.exe", "flac.exe", "neroAacEnc.exe" in it. Didn't solve the problem.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2008-03-20 03:01:01
Musicmusic,

Sorry if this has been asked before, but does this support the 80 GB and/or 160 GB iPod classics? I didn't see this model in the list of supported iPods, and was just wondering if this will work when I get a 80/160 in a few weeks.

Thanks  .
I have an 80GB Classic and foo_dop works fine with mine, at least on the music side. I have not tried it with videos yet.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-03-20 03:04:03
Musicmusic,

Sorry if this has been asked before, but does this support the 80 GB and/or 160 GB iPod classics? I didn't see this model in the list of supported iPods, and was just wondering if this will work when I get a 80/160 in a few weeks.

Thanks  .
I have an 80GB Classic and foo_dop works fine with mine, at least on the music side. I have not tried it with videos yet.


Good to know . Thank you for the info . Perhaps an update to the supported models list is in order, Musicmusic?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2008-03-20 03:16:53
If you go here Supported iPod Model (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:dop#requirements) on musicmusic's "iPod manager" page, the Classic is listed as "6G (classic)".
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-20 04:02:35
Thanks, no more crashes. Ive been having a problem lately, though. Sometimes I have to restart foobar or my ipod wont get detected. Im not 100% sure, but it seems like this happens after my computer comes back from standby. This might have something to do with apple's device services rather than your plugin, since itunes seems to do this occasionally also.

Also, I sometimes start to get an I/O Error when I try any ipod operation until I restart foobar. Again, its happened a few times and I can't pinpoint a pattern yet, but Ill let you known if I figure it out (and I dont have the exact error text, but ill add it here next time it happens). One of the times it happened was right after adding a large number of files. I sent about 100 songs and it transferred the files and the art, then when it got to updating the database I got an I/O error and the files didnt get added to the database. I just remembered that this was just after I had cleaned all the songs off, so maybe this is what caused the problem. Is foo_dop able to handle an empty database?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-20 12:06:46
i'm too lazy to search this thread to see if this question/request has been asked  , but:

is there a possibility to add a queuing feature to foo_dop when you're in the process of adding files?

right now you get the 'ipod is busy' notification, and if i am going through my music library adding albums one by one, i have to wait until foo_dop is done adding songs until i do it all over again. and again. and again.   
Hi,
I'll keep that in mind, but I am not planning to change it soon. I would suggest you just queue them up in a playlist instead.

Eeeps, I was wrong when I said that I had solved the problem of converting on the fly  . Here is a screenshot showing the problem:

and my encoder settings:

I would like to add that the "Convert to" dialog works perfectly fine, converting from FLAC to mp4, everything to anything, so I have no idea what I did wrong for the foo_dop plugin. 

EDIT: I checked my "Additional encoder executable locations" and added my foobar2k folder. It has "lame.exe", "flac.exe", "neroAacEnc.exe" in it. Didn't solve the problem.

1. Try updating to the latest version of foo_dop
2. Converter settings do not affect foo_dop.

Sometimes I have to restart foobar or my ipod wont get detected. Im not 100% sure, but it seems like this happens after my computer comes back from standby. This might have something to do with apple's device services rather than your plugin, since itunes seems to do this occasionally also.
Hmm. I'd need to know the sequent of connected/disconnected messages in the console when going into/coming out of standby. BTW: My laptop freezes during POST (maybe after but during BIOS startup sequence) if my iPod Classic in connected when coming out of hibernation...

Also, I sometimes start to get an I/O Error when I try any ipod operation until I restart foobar. Again, its happened a few times and I can't pinpoint a pattern yet, but Ill let you known if I figure it out (and I dont have the exact error text, but ill add it here next time it happens). One of the times it happened was right after adding a large number of files. I sent about 100 songs and it transferred the files and the art, then when it got to updating the database I got an I/O error and the files didnt get added to the database.
Eugh, sounds like the connection to the iPod touch is randomly dying. Yes, the exact error would be helpful. Also, I would like to know if rather than restarting foobar, disconnecting and reconnecting the iPod works.

Is foo_dop able to handle an empty database?
Yes. But if your touch/iPhone is in 'first run' mode (with iTunes screen) it won't clear that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mystNZ on 2008-03-20 19:12:29
Hi, I cant get foobar to see the iPod (Touch) at all.... my details are the following:
.) I have intalled the AppleMobileDeviceService (7.6) (and can see it running under task manager).
.) I DONT have iTunes installed. I have it installed in a VM and the iPod connects to it with no problems.
.) The iPod already has music on it, from iTunes. I have manual sync enabled.
.) I have enabled mobile device support in foobar settings
.) When I first connected the iPod, windows recognized it and said that its ready for use. However, when connected, I cant see it anywhere under windows. Its not under My Computer as a camera, and the only mention of it in device manager is under Universal Serial Bus controllers - Apple iPod. [though this is normal I think].

Suffice to say Im out of ideas.... 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-20 21:21:31
It's not supposed to show up under windows as a storage device. Check your foobar console to see if its connecting to the ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mystNZ on 2008-03-21 01:03:06
It's not supposed to show up under windows as a storage device. Check your foobar console to see if its connecting to the ipod.

Good point about the console, forgot about it....this is what I have:

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Apple Mobile Device: error: AMDeviceValidatePairing returned 3892314149
Apple Mobile Device: error: AMDeviceStartSession returned 3892314149
Apple Mobile Device: error: AMDeviceStartService (AFC) returned 3892314142

Any ideas? I even tried reinstalling Apple's mobile device support driver from the iTunes installer..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-21 01:26:50
Based on that, it looks like its having trouble starting the mobile device service. You might want to try installing itunes just to see if that solves it. You can always uninstall it  Hopefully musicmusic will have more insight.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-03-21 01:33:44
Thanks so much for creating such a wonderful plugin.  Works nicely for my iPhone so far....

I have read through this thread, and I see that embedded art is not currently supported.  I was curious if this is a feature that is in the roadmap for this plugin, or if I should go back to saving artwork in the folder as a separate file....as of 0.9.5 I had been embedding everything.

Either way, many kudos for allowing us to use the iPhone without the need for cumbersome iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: wallybio on 2008-03-21 04:16:35
Thanks so much for creating such a wonderful plugin.  Works nicely for my iPhone so far....

I have read through this thread, and I see that embedded art is not currently supported.  I was curious if this is a feature that is in the roadmap for this plugin, or if I should go back to saving artwork in the folder as a separate file....as of 0.9.5 I had been embedding everything.


I second this question. I have all my music as flac with embedded art. When I send it to the iPod, it doesn't convert the art as well. 

Is there a tagging application that will search for embedded art and save it to the folder of the file as folder.jpg?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sleepy on 2008-03-21 05:54:10
Thanks for the plugin - .35 is working great on my wife's iPhone.

One issue:  in CoverFlow view, all of the album art is transparent.  I am pretty sure that art loaded from iTunes is not.  Is there an easy fix for this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-03-21 08:24:41
Is there a tagging application that will search for embedded art and save it to the folder of the file as folder.jpg?

MP3Tag does this - just define a user action that does "Extract cover" and use "folder" (without an extension) as the filename.

Now just plop all your MP3 folders into the program, select them all and run your newly created action on them.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-21 09:45:44

It's not supposed to show up under windows as a storage device. Check your foobar console to see if its connecting to the ipod.

Good point about the console, forgot about it....this is what I have:

Code: [Select]
Apple Mobile Device: error: AMDeviceValidatePairing returned 3892314149
Apple Mobile Device: error: AMDeviceStartSession returned 3892314149
Apple Mobile Device: error: AMDeviceStartService (AFC) returned 3892314142

Any ideas? I even tried reinstalling Apple's mobile device support driver from the iTunes installer..

I think this means the encryption keys are missing or something - they are usually in "%appdata%\Apple Computer\Lockdown\".

You could try copying that folder from your VM. If that doesn't work installing iTunes is the way to go.

[edit] I may be able to fix this also so foo_dop does the pairing itself. You can wait for that if you want.

Thanks so much for creating such a wonderful plugin.  Works nicely for my iPhone so far....

I have read through this thread, and I see that embedded art is not currently supported.  I was curious if this is a feature that is in the roadmap for this plugin, or if I should go back to saving artwork in the folder as a separate file....as of 0.9.5 I had been embedding everything.

Either way, many kudos for allowing us to use the iPhone without the need for cumbersome iTunes.

Hi,
Yes I plan to add an option to use the fb2k internal artwork reader which will read embedded artwork.

Thanks for the plugin - .35 is working great on my wife's iPhone.

One issue:  in CoverFlow view, all of the album art is transparent.  I am pretty sure that art loaded from iTunes is not.  Is there an easy fix for this?
This is strange. When you say transparent, do you mean missing but no placeholder image?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-03-21 16:48:26
Good to hear that embedded support is coming soon

I had one other strange thing happening.  In the "Tools" configuration I have it set to convert files with are not supported, and left the options as the default ("lame %d" and "mp3").  When I try to send some FLAC files to the iPhone a dialog shows up saying the files are being moved, and it seems like everything goes through correctly.  When I try to find the files in the iPhone, the files are not seen.  If I then browse through the library with foo_dop it sees the files, but they unplayable and untagged, and the filename seems to be a truncated version of the original %tracknumber% - %title% scheme.

Attached is a screen shot showing the files on the iPhone as read by foo_dop followed by the original FLAC files and the foobar2000 console output when I try to play the files.

Am I doing something wrong in the conversion?

(http://www.audiophilia.net/capture.jpg)

Code: [Select]
Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F61\01 - Dea.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F77\02 - Nec.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F69\03 - Fun.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F53\04 - The.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F85\05 - Car.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F97\06 - Bur.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F42\07 - Pag.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F57\08 - Cha.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F65\09 - Pur.mp3"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mystNZ on 2008-03-21 16:59:42
I think this means the encryption keys are missing or something - they are usually in "%appdata%\Apple
That was it. I just copied over the folder and it works. Brilliant, thanks mate! 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-21 17:33:42
Good to hear that embedded support is coming soon

I had one other strange thing happening.  In the "Tools" configuration I have it set to convert files with are not supported, and left the options as the default ("lame %d" and "mp3").  When I try to send some FLAC files to the iPhone a dialog shows up saying the files are being moved, and it seems like everything goes through correctly.  When I try to find the files in the iPhone, the files are not seen.  If I then browse through the library with foo_dop it sees the files, but they unplayable and untagged, and the filename seems to be a truncated version of the original %tracknumber% - %title% scheme.

Attached is a screen shot showing the files on the iPhone as read by foo_dop followed by the original FLAC files and the foobar2000 console output when I try to play the files.

Am I doing something wrong in the conversion?

The default command is "lame - %d" - the hyphen is pretty important. If it still doesn't work it may be due to a change I made recently, I'll fix that for next build.

That was it. I just copied over the folder and it works. Brilliant, thanks mate! 
Ah great  Hopefully I can fix it so it doesn't require you to do that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-03-21 18:17:38
The default command is "lame - %d" - the hyphen is pretty important. If it still doesn't work it may be due to a change I made recently, I'll fix that for next build.


I did a test using the command line "neroAacEnc -if - -of %d" and it worked nicely, except that foobar2000 didn't transfer over my lyrics tag correctly (probably an issue with FLAC > m4a tag mapping and not your component).

Tried again with "lame - %d" and I ran into the exact same problem as before...so it seems there may be a bug with using LAME.

On a side note related to my above comment though, I'd like to see a way that I can map the lyrics tag correctly so that it's readable in iTunes...this has been a persistent issue with all of the converters I've used up to this point.  In an mp3 file, iTunes looks for lyrics in the USLT frame, and foobar2000 is smart enough to put it there if I am using id3v2.4.  For m4a (which I'd really rather use due to the quality/filesize) it seems like it never makes it to the %LYRICS% tag from FLAC, where it is stored in %UNSYNCED LYRICS%.  An option to put this tag in the right spot using neroAacEnc CLI would be great.

Thanks so much for the quick replies MM, and keep up the great work on this plugin .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-21 19:34:29
Yeah, the transparent art problem is one I have sometimes, also. The art in coverflow is literally like 50% transparent sometimes. Its really kind of strange.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sleepy on 2008-03-21 20:18:25

Thanks for the plugin - .35 is working great on my wife's iPhone.

One issue:  in CoverFlow view, all of the album art is transparent.  I am pretty sure that art loaded from iTunes is not.  Is there an easy fix for this?
This is strange. When you say transparent, do you mean missing but no placeholder image?


Yeah, the transparent art problem is one I have sometimes, also. The art in coverflow is literally like 50% transparent sometimes. Its really kind of strange.



Sounds like alphaex32 and I are seeing the same thing - the art is there but about 50% transparent.  It is not a big deal (probably won't use coverflow that often), but because of the 50% transparency, all of the covers run together.  It is a little ugly, that's all.

I understand how difficult it must be to troubleshoot these sorts of things without an iPhone, so let me know if there is anything I can provide that would be helpful.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-21 23:25:13
On a side note related to my above comment though, I'd like to see a way that I can map the lyrics tag correctly so that it's readable in iTunes...this has been a persistent issue with all of the converters I've used up to this point.  In an mp3 file, iTunes looks for lyrics in the USLT frame, and foobar2000 is smart enough to put it there if I am using id3v2.4.  For m4a (which I'd really rather use due to the quality/filesize) it seems like it never makes it to the %LYRICS% tag from FLAC, where it is stored in %UNSYNCED LYRICS%.  An option to put this tag in the right spot using neroAacEnc CLI would be great.

Thanks so much for the quick replies MM, and keep up the great work on this plugin .
I think the real problem is the mixed lyrics field mappings in foobar2000 (e.g. UNSYNCED LYRICS for ID3v2 vs. LYRICS for MP4). I think it should just use LYRICS consistently. Is UNSYNCED LYRICS mapped to some standard lyrics field for FLAC files? I could maybe write some workaround for transcoding so it puts it in the right field but then if foobar2000 does change it would be is liable to break...

Sounds like alphaex32 and I are seeing the same thing - the art is there but about 50% transparent.  It is not a big deal (probably won't use coverflow that often), but because of the 50% transparency, all of the covers run together.  It is a little ugly, that's all.

I understand how difficult it must be to troubleshoot these sorts of things without an iPhone, so let me know if there is anything I can provide that would be helpful.
Yes, weird  Is the transparency consistent across the whole image? I guess an ArtworkDB backup (with some iTunes artwork on the device) would help if you know how to get it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-03-22 01:10:22
I think the real problem is the mixed lyrics field mappings in foobar2000 (e.g. UNSYNCED LYRICS for ID3v2 vs. LYRICS for MP4). I think it should just use LYRICS consistently. Is UNSYNCED LYRICS mapped to some standard lyrics field for FLAC files? I could maybe write some workaround for transcoding so it puts it in the right field but then if foobar2000 does change it would be is liable to break...

The issue at hand here is that more advanced programs and some tagging standards drawing a difference between synced lyrics and unsynced lyrics.  iTunes seems to only want to see the latter.

iTunes will read lyrics from an m4a file stored in LYRICS and from an mp3 in the USLT frame.  foobar2000 will write to this USLT frame if I call the tag "UNSYNCED LYRICS" with a space, but not anything else....and even then, it's not viewable in iTunes unless I use the "compatibility mode" checkmark in the tagging configuration.  All other programs (dbPowerAmp among them) seem to write to a user-defined frame rather than the id3 standard USLT, and thus iTunes doesn't see anything.  I think this is related to the fact that many applications have chosen not to update themselves to id3v2.4 support....

As for the FLAC, or Vorbis Comments standard, I seem to recall reading somewhere that the standard location was "UNSYNCED LYRICS", and that is indeed where foobar2000 wants it to translate to USLT when converting tags to id3v2, but I can't find a link to verify.

Perhaps someone with more knowledge on WHY foobar2000 maps this way would be helpful.  At this point, and given that iTunes seems to be forcing a lot of our hands on how we tag files, I would say it would be a good idea to have conversions map UNSYNCED LYRICS in other formats to LYRICS in m4a....or at least provide us an option where we can do this ourselves.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-22 08:33:00
I am only concerned about the interoperability between tagging standards.

ID3v2 uses USLT which foobar2000 maps to UYNSYNCED LYRICS
MP4 (I guess this is 'iTunes compatible tagging') uses @lyr which foobar2000 maps to LYRICS

I don't know what other formats use/map to.

The reasons why those mappings were chosen should be obvious, but they should instead be consistent across different formats. Synchronised lyrics aren't so relevant here.

The only reason transcoding from FLAC with UNSYNCED LYRICS to MP3 works is because foobar2000 maps UNSYNCED LYRICS to USLT for ID3v2. I don't see anything about lyrics in the Vorbit Comments (http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html) spec.

I am not going to waste time writing workarounds unless you can get some answer from whoever controls foobar2000 metadata storage mappings.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bojan on 2008-03-22 21:50:07
Does the custom sorting work?

I ask because I don't notice a difference on my iPod Classic with:
Code: [Select]
%artist% - %date% - %album% - %disc% - %tracknumber% - %title%

For example the albums from Air are in the following order:
Code: [Select]
Moon Safari
Pocket Symphony
Talkie Walkie
Virgin Suicides OST
10000 Hz Legend

While in the playlist they are sorted correctly:
Code: [Select]
Air - [1998] Moon Safari
Air - [2000] Virgin Suicides OST
Air - [2001] 10000 Hz Legend
Air - [2004] Talkie Walkie
Air - [2007] Pocket Symphony
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-22 23:23:44
0.5.6.36 released. Just a minor update:
  * Should now attempt to pair a mobile device with the computer when it isn't already paired. Better logging in the console in this case.
  * Fixed a potential issue with file conversion.
  * Changed default encoder to Nero. Seems to make sense now foo_dop supports Nero gapless data.
  * Some other minor improvements

Glossary:
  * Mobile device: iPod touch or iPhone.

Does the custom sorting work?
I am not sure what you are expecting it to do, but it is in a section titled "Load library".
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-03-23 10:43:45
I guess "stored in the db" is the more accurate description.
I was wondering if I could request something please musicmusic. I think quite a few people would find these interesting.

They both involve sorting.
As quoted above, the sorting without the leading "The" can be done, and this is stored in the db somewhere.
I was just wondering if we could add two more options.

First would be:
When browsing through the iPod - Music>Artists> a list of albums appears from that artist (if there is more than one album, otherwise just the songs are shown). Now, is it possible, the same way that the leading "The" is ignored and stored somewhere, that we can have it so that the albums show chronologically instead of alphabetically. This would entail using the ID3v2.3 TYER field (year/date). The information stored in the db would consist of 'Year - Album'. This way the albums are stored chronologically.
Is this possible?

Secondly: (and this is where it gets tricky)
When browsing through the iPod - Music>Albums> a list of all albums in shown sorted alphabetically. That's fine, until you get to an album called "Greatest Hits" to which you have three or more artists that all have the album name 'Greatest Hits'.
This could be resolved easily by using the ID3v2.3 TPE1 field (artist), storing in the db somewhere 'Album - Artist'. This would result in the albums being split up between the three separate artists, instead of one collective album for all.

Either of these options would work fine on there own.
But when we come to use both of these options, the second would not work, because it would now consist of 'Year - Album - Artist'. This wouldn't work when browsing Music>Albums> because now all the albums would be sorted chronologically, which we don't want.

So basically the question is, can we somehow store both these informations somewhere in the db and call either:
'Year - Album' when browsing Music>Artists>
Or
'Album - Artist' when browsing Music>Albums>

Make sense?
Any input or help on this would be great. =)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bojan on 2008-03-23 12:31:50
Does the custom sorting work?
I am not sure what you are expecting it to do, but it is in a section titled "Load library".
I was expecting the music on my ipod while I'm browsing through it to be sorted. You know, you click on Music, then Artists, then click on some artist, and you see the albums in the correct order (sorted by date)...

If it's not used for that, what does it do?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-03-23 12:46:52
If it's not used for that, what does it do?

It's used to sort the files in the Foobar2000 playlist created by "File > iPod > Load library" after loading the files from the iPod...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-23 12:47:20
I guess "stored in the db" is the more accurate description.
I was wondering if I could request something please musicmusic. I think quite a few people would find these interesting.

They both involve sorting.[...]

I don't believe sorting by "Album - Artist" will achieve anything, I believe they will still be combined because they are next to each other. Even if you did "Artist - Album" they would probably be separated in the list but my feeling is that they will still be combined when you click on them. I'll try and check but you can also check with iTunes by editing the sort fields (note: foo_dop will reset those next time you use it).

With the sort field remappings you will be able to do some of this, but it would affect albums in every view. Any other way would probably create problems.

If it's not used for that, what does it do?
The "Load library" command.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bojan on 2008-03-23 23:20:11
Thanks Leak.
If it's not used for that, what does it do?
The "Load library" command.
Sorry for the confusion, my mind was going in a singletrack... Any chance of implementing the option I was looking for?
And thanks for the awesome plugins!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-24 19:22:12
0.5.7.0 released.

Changes over 0.5.6.36:

Sorry for the confusion, my mind was going in a singletrack... Any chance of implementing the option I was looking for?
I'll answer later.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-03-25 01:35:05
I don't believe sorting by "Album - Artist" will achieve anything, I believe they will still be combined because they are next to each other. Even if you did "Artist - Album" they would probably be separated in the list but my feeling is that they will still be combined when you click on them. I'll try and check but you can also check with iTunes by editing the sort fields (note: foo_dop will reset those next time you use it).
Hmm, really?
I thought that 'Album - Artist' would work. I put two albums into iTunes and set the sorting field to 'Album - Artist'. This definitely separated them in the fact the song titles weren't mingled together.
But I didn't sync it to my iPod (couldn't be bothered restoring my iPod just yet, but will try it sometime maybe).
'Artist - Album'? I can't see that helping at all! Because then it would be sorted by artists, not what we want when trying to browse by albums.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-25 11:16:34
Hmm, really?
Well, the artist already varies between the tracks. So if that was the case we'd have multiple listings already. What you would achieve is the tracks for the combined entry being sorted by (album) artist.

But I didn't sync it to my iPod (couldn't be bothered restoring my iPod just yet, but will try it sometime maybe).
You can edit the properties of the tracks directly on the iPod, that's what I meant, it's fairly painless.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-03-25 12:50:27
Just a little feedback on the new version, using iPhone.

Converting from any foobar format to mp3 works nicely.  M4A too, but since foobar doesn't map the lyrics correctly I don't use this.

I am still getting that semi-transparent artwork bug when viewing the library in cover-flow view on the iPhone.

I saw you mention in the previous post that you can edit the metadata right on the iPod, but this is not working.  I wonder if this is a peculiarity's with the iPhone/Touch specifically if it works on classic iPod.  When I edit a metafield and press OK, it accepts it but if you re-open the properties dialog it's back to the old value.

Finally, embedded art seems to work out quite nicely, tested with a few albums that didn't have folder.jpg with them; though they do also have that transparent display bug.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-25 13:27:45
If you "reload info from files" the changes should show up. Im not sure why they arent automatically updated like with local files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-25 13:33:41
I am still getting that semi-transparent artwork bug when viewing the library in cover-flow view on the iPhone.
I don't know the cause and don't really have any good leads (I have one lead but it's not very good).

I saw you mention in the previous post that you can edit the metadata right on the iPod, but this is not working.
Oh, we were talking about iTunes there.

I wonder if this is a peculiarity's with the iPhone/Touch specifically if it works on classic iPod.  When I edit a metafield and press OK, it accepts it but if you re-open the properties dialog it's back to the old value.
It's all quite complicated. The Apple Mobile Device stuff does not provide me with any last modified times for files on the iPhone/iPod touch, so after you edit the file foobar2000 does not realise it has changed, so you see the old info. You need to manually run Tools/Reload info. Then to update the iPod's database you need to run "iPod/Update metadata.." in the normal context menu.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-03-25 20:55:23
As far as I know, jpeg doesn't even support transparency...I wonder if Apple is converting the images to some other kind of format.  Either way, it's not really that big a deal.

As far as editing metadata, I can see now that I need to have foobar2000 re-read the tags.  I was wondering if it is possible to then sync those metadata updates back to the main files on my PC.  I may edit fields (like correcting lyrics) while I am listening on my work computer, and then want those changes to be reflected back.  From what I can tell, Apple doesn't want you bringing stuff back up from the iPhone once it's there...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-26 01:24:44
As far as I know, jpeg doesn't even support transparency...I wonder if Apple is converting the images to some other kind of format.  Either way, it's not really that big a deal.

Question: If you send a album with just one track (with artwork) does it show up transparent in the cover flow view?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-26 13:08:49
Yeah, single tracks are doing it too.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fishy Joe on 2008-03-27 11:26:17
Could someone please explain how to get TV Shows to appear in the TV Shows menu on the ipod? I've searched the thread, and the links to "field mappings" on musicmusic's site are dead.

I've added the following custom metadata fields without success:
SHOW - Simpsons
MEDIA KIND - TV Shows
EPISODE NUMBER - 01
SEASON NUMBER - 8

Those were just guesses based on comments I found throughout this thread, but they didn't work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-27 12:08:59
Sorry for the confusion, my mind was going in a singletrack... Any chance of implementing the option I was looking for?
The thing is, not everyone tags their albums the same way and so DATE is liable to change between tracks. Which is liable to give me a headache..

If I add sort field remappings then you could achieve this on every view with albums listed. I am not sure how happy the iPod would be if the sort tables aren't consistent with each other, which relates to just doing it on one view. I did check iTunes though and it also sorts it alphabetically here.

Best you can do at the moment is to use the field remappings.

As far as editing metadata, I can see now that I need to have foobar2000 re-read the tags.  I was wondering if it is possible to then sync those metadata updates back to the main files on my PC.  I may edit fields (like correcting lyrics) while I am listening on my work computer, and then want those changes to be reflected back.  From what I can tell, Apple doesn't want you bringing stuff back up from the iPhone once it's there...
You mean you are tagging the files on your iPod touch/iPhone with foobar2000? I would have to track file modified times in a database on the iPod since I don't have any other to check them. So yes, it's technically possible, but probably a fair bit of effort and it's not the direction I am going at the moment.

Yeah, single tracks are doing it too.
OK that throws my idea out of the window  I'll see if I can dig anything else up. BTW: this is ok with other third party apps? (Only ml_ipod and Media Monkey as far as I know..)

Could someone please explain how to get TV Shows to appear in the TV Shows menu on the ipod? I've searched the thread, and the links to "field mappings" on musicmusic's site are dead.
Which links?

Those were just guesses based on comments I found throughout this thread, but they didn't work.
Just grab the latest version and use 'Video properties' instead.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-27 16:00:30
OK that throws my idea out of the window  I'll see if I can dig anything else up. BTW: this is ok with other third party apps? (Only ml_ipod and Media Monkey as far as I know..)
Everything transferred with itunes or mediamonkey has no problems with the art.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sleepy on 2008-03-28 03:26:40
All of the semi-transparent artwork returns to normal if I let iTunes re-write the database, though oddly I seem to "lose" a handful of covers when I do this (i.e., browsing in foo_dop shows no covers for several songs).

I have a copy of the ArtworkDB from my iPhone both before and after running it through iTunes.  musicmusic, if you want me to send these to you, let me know the best way to do this.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-28 10:18:25
All of the semi-transparent artwork returns to normal if I let iTunes re-write the database, though oddly I seem to "lose" a handful of covers when I do this (i.e., browsing in foo_dop shows no covers for several songs).

I have a copy of the ArtworkDB from my iPhone both before and after running it through iTunes.  musicmusic, if you want me to send these to you, let me know the best way to do this.

Ah, yes that would be handy. You can use the upload forum, or use yousendit.com and post/PM me the link. The iTunesDB would also be useful (just the current one would do).

Did you perform any tasks in iTunes whilst it was open? (send files etc.) Can you see any pattern to files that lost artwork (files without embedded artwork / all of the files sent by foo_dop etc.)

Also, does the artwork stay non-transparent if you modify the iPod with foo_dop (e.g. rewrite iPod database command)?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-03-28 18:11:27
OK, did a little experiment for you.  Just to clarify since you don't have a touch, there are two different places album art is shown on the iPhone/Touch...the default view (with the device upright) has a small thumbnail show up next to the title.  When you turn the device on it's side you get the famous iTunes cover flow view.

I started with a bunch of FLAC and MP3 files on my hard drive, all of them with embedded album art viewable inside of foobar2000.  After letting foo_dop send all the files, converting FLAC on the fly, the album thumbnails were all visible, and the cover flow showed all transparent images.

I then let iTunes do a sync, which doesn't touch music but does download my podcasts.  I suppose it did re-write the database at this point, because after that the cover-flow changed to solid images for everything sourced from MP3, and lost the images for everything that was sourced from FLAC.  I would guess that particular bug has something to do with the on-the-fly transcoding.  The strange thing is that even though those covers are gone in the cover flow view, the thumbnails are still present when I browse through the albums in the default view.

I the used foo_dop to do a rewrite of the database, but the above behavior did not change: Cover flow shows missing artwork for my FLAC-sourced files, images are solid, and ALL thumbnails appear in the default view.

I will be able to run some more exhaustive tests later on tonight to see exactly how I can trigger this behavior.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-28 19:01:19
I then let iTunes do a sync, which doesn't touch music but does download my podcasts.  I suppose it did re-write the database at this point, because after that the cover-flow changed to solid images for everything sourced from MP3, and lost the images for everything that was sourced from FLAC.

I can explain. If you make changes to the iPod using iTunes, it likes to reload the artwork. The embedded artwork in the FLAC files would not have been transferred to the MP3 files during transcoding (I do not believe artwork editing is supported though the foobar2000 API yet). So those get wiped.

I am trying to work out what exactly is triggering iTunes into thinking it needs to reread the artwork on those files.

The strange thing is that even though those covers are gone in the cover flow view, the thumbnails are still present when I browse through the albums in the default view.
This is strange, I think that they may be cached images - restarting the device may change things.

I the used foo_dop to do a rewrite of the database, but the above behavior did not change: Cover flow shows missing artwork for my FLAC-sourced files, images are solid, and ALL thumbnails appear in the default view.
This is expected as that doesn't reread the artwork. If you run the 'Update metadata in iPod library' in the context menu of the affected files on the iPod, it should retrieve the artwork from the original FLAC files again, if the files are available. [edit] OK, there seems to be an issue with this currently so it may not work correctly. I'll fix that for next build.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-03-28 20:30:07
This is strange, I think that they may be cached images - restarting the device may change things.

I the used foo_dop to do a rewrite of the database, but the above behavior did not change: Cover flow shows missing artwork for my FLAC-sourced files, images are solid, and ALL thumbnails appear in the default view.
This is expected as that doesn't reread the artwork. If you run the 'Update metadata in iPod library' in the context menu of the affected files on the iPod, it should retrieve the artwork from the original FLAC files again, if the files are available. [edit] OK, there seems to be an issue with this currently so it may not work correctly. I'll fix that for next build.


Restarting the iPhone does not cause the small thumbnails to disappear. 

Also, after letting iTunes do the database re-write, cover images are not viewable when browsing the iPod in foobar2000, nor in the cover flow view....even though they seem to remain in the default album view permanently.

Just as a side question, I see that MediaMonkey is now claiming that they can sync portions of a library to the iPhone and have anything with the genre tagged as "Podcast" to show up in the "podcasts" menu of the device.  Is this option possible for foo_dop?  For myself this would eliminate the need to let iTunes do anything to my iPhone altogether except for during software updates.

Also, I have noticed that MP3 files which are tagged with ReplayGain have this adjustment sent to the iPod SoundCheck adjustment value.  The files that I converted "on the fly" lose the ReplayGain tag, and do not have the SoundCheck value either.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-28 21:11:13
Restarting the iPhone does not cause the small thumbnails to disappear.
OK, well iTunes is just doing strange things then.

Regarding iTunes reloading artwork, this seems to be directly related to it determining gapless data for files. In my testing, it left the artwork alone for files that had gapless data so if you enabled the foo_dop option to determine gapless data, the converted files should be getting gapless data (assuming they are in a supported format, which they should be) and then iTunes should leave their artwork alone.

Also, after letting iTunes do the database re-write, cover images are not viewable when browsing the iPod in foobar2000, nor in the cover flow view....even though they seem to remain in the default album view permanently.
Artwork stored in the iPod database is not visible in foobar2000 anywhere.

Just as a side question, I see that MediaMonkey is now claiming that they can sync portions of a library to the iPhone and have anything with the genre tagged as "Podcast" to show up in the "podcasts" menu of the device.  Is this option possible for foo_dop?
Probably. I'll look into it at some point.

Also, I have noticed that MP3 files which are tagged with ReplayGain have this adjustment sent to the iPod SoundCheck adjustment value.  The files that I converted "on the fly" lose the ReplayGain tag, and do not have the SoundCheck value either.
The ReplayGain data would be different for the converted files. Unfortunately foobar2000 does not provide a method for foo_dop to automate the replaygain scan of the converted files. The topic has been discussed a fair bit before so have a search of this thread for some more info.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fishy Joe on 2008-03-30 09:13:55
Could someone please explain how to get TV Shows to appear in the TV Shows menu on the ipod? I've searched the thread, and the links to "field mappings" on musicmusic's site are dead.
Which links?

This one: http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:dop#field_mappings (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:dop#field_mappings)

Just grab the latest version and use 'Video properties' instead.

This worked well, thanks. When I transferred a full season (each with a number in its title), the files are sorted backwards. For example, 825 is the first episode I see, and 801 is the last. Is there a workaround for this?

Thanks too musicmusic for all the work that's obviously gone into this component. I stopped using it awhile ago due to problems with my 1st gen shuffle, but it's a very mature system now and saves me from installing itunes, which is no small thing.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-30 15:40:07
This one: http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:dop#field_mappings (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:dop#field_mappings)
It works? That was dug up from this thread I guess. If you mean that your browser didn't scroll to anything, that's just because I changed the heading of the respective section. The information is still there.

This worked well, thanks. When I transferred a full season (each with a number in its title), the files are sorted backwards. For example, 825 is the first episode I see, and 801 is the last. Is there a workaround for this?
Which iPod model do you have and what firmware version? You tagged them with episode number etc. right?

On my Classic with firmware 1.1.1 it seems correct when using foo_dop (whether or not I use EPISODEID, but files are tagged with season/episode number). If you use do Episode ID use something that sorts well (e.g. xxyy with xx zero padded season number, yy zero padded episode number), though it probably isn't too important.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-30 21:51:33
0.5.8.0 released.

Changes:

The first two changes are experimental so I've tagged this release as experimental.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mystNZ on 2008-03-30 22:13:23
I cant seem to get the panel working (using PUI)...its just blank/white...irrespective if the ipod is connected or not. Right clicking does nothing...and no errors in the console. Is there any settings/config for it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-30 22:20:33
Tried it in Columns UI? Does "Load library" detect your iPod? Also what OS?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mystNZ on 2008-03-30 22:52:00
Tried it in Columns UI? Does "Load library" detect your iPod? Also what OS?
Im using PanelsUI, but just tested in ColumnsUI as well -this time, all I see is a white panel and some dots "..." but nothing happens when clicked/dclicked. "Load library" loads the ipod contents into a new playlist "iPod Media Library" -but nothing happens in the panel no matter what command I click in the iPod menu. Using WinXP SP2.

----edit
Ok, now I can see the dots under PUI as well and a blank or "single space" selection. Right clicking on this space brings up a menu "send to autosend playlist" and "eject" ...clicking this creates a playlist "iPod View". Though isnt this redundant? Why have two playlists [iPod Media Library/iPod View]? Still nothing happens in the panel itself..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-30 22:57:51
Does your iPod have a name? The name is also displayed in the first entry in "Browse iPod" in the left pane.

You should see a tree in the panel. There should be the iPod's playlists descendent to the root entry, but maybe you don't have any playlists on your iPod..?

[edit] I uploaded 0.5.8.1. It just displays "Unnamed Device" in the panel if your iPod doesn't have a name. Should be less confusing in that case.

At the moment, if you want to rename your iPod you'll need to use iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mystNZ on 2008-03-31 14:32:07
Yes, the iPod has a name defined through iTunes. But I didnt load any playlists onto it..so thats probably the problem. I'll try it out when I get home tonight! 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: greenfoot on 2008-03-31 16:24:33
I'm getting a cache read timeout whenver I try to syncronize my ipod. It reads maybe the first several folders (i.e. F01-F05) before it timeouts. When I try and sync again, it starts from the place of the last timeout (F05) and reads several more before it timeouts again. Any ideas as to the cause?

foo_dop version 0.5.8.1
XP SP2
5th gen ipod
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-31 16:51:45
I'm getting a cache read timeout whenver I try to syncronize my ipod. It reads maybe the first several folders (i.e. F01-F05) before it timeouts. When I try and sync again, it starts from the place of the last timeout (F05) and reads several more before it timeouts again. Any ideas as to the cause?

foo_dop version 0.5.8.1
XP SP2
5th gen ipod

The message is "Cache read timeout!"? I am slightly confused because that only pop up if it fails to read metadata_cache.fpl from the root folder on your iPod, it gives 20 seconds for this to happen then errors out. I am not sure why it is trying to read metadata from the files at this point, strange. The only logical reason I can see is that the metadata is missing from the .fpl file but that shouldn't happen. Can you try dragging metadata_cache.fpl from the root folder of your iPod into foobar2000 and see if that causes foobar2000 to start reading metadata of all the files on your iPod?

Also, were you using a previous version of foo_dop before? And did you use the "iPod Devices Panel" at any point?

[edit] My feeling is that this was caused by an issue with panel. I'll fix it for next version, but for now you should delete the metadata_cache.fpl from the root folder on the iPod, and run "Load library" which should then read the metadata normally.
[edit] OK I made some fixes in 0.5.8.2. It should be OK now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-03-31 19:56:46
Musicmusic,

Again, let me thank you up front for building this awesome plugin.  So far, it's really been a godsend for me.

I had some comments on the 0.5.8.1 TEST release:

Files are definitely writing to the device a lot faster now, and it's noticable when just sending files already in mp3 format to the iPhone.

The cover flow view still shows as transparent images when sent to the device with foo_dop.

Also, a few pages back in this thread you had asked if Media Monkey's iPhone sync works with the covers, and indeed it does, both for files embedded and a folder.jpg.  The images show up solid (not transparent).  What that programs lacks that this plugin does have is the ability to convert on-the-fly.

If there is anything I can do to help, whether it be taking some screen shots or uploading some data, please let me know.  I can write with Media Monkey too if there's a way to do a comparison of the database.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-03-31 20:35:20
Musicmusic,

Again, let me thank you up front for building this awesome plugin.  So far, it's really been a godsend for me.
No problem

I had some comments on the 0.5.8.1 TEST release:

Files are definitely writing to the device a lot faster now, and it's noticable when just sending files already in mp3 format to the iPhone.
Don't want to disappoint you, but there have been no changes there  File copying speeds isn't something I have so much control over. Although, as I recall foobar2000 writes files in small chunks (to allow it to cancel the operation without waiting for the whole operation to finish), I wonder if this has any impact with regards to speed on the iPhone / iPod touch. (edit: scrap that, the only chunks used when copying to the touch are huge)

The cover flow view still shows as transparent images when sent to the device with foo_dop.


Also, a few pages back in this thread you had asked if Media Monkey's iPhone sync works with the covers, and indeed it does, both for files embedded and a folder.jpg.  The images show up solid (not transparent).  What that programs lacks that this plugin does have is the ability to convert on-the-fly.

If there is anything I can do to help, whether it be taking some screen shots or uploading some data, please let me know.  I can write with Media Monkey too if there's a way to do a comparison of the database.
Really I need a ArtworkDB and iTunesDB backups with some working artwork in them (preferably from iTunes), I don't have any at the moment. There is some software around that let's you browse the device, search google if you don't know any, it should be easy to find some (Alternatively I could make a special build of foo_dop to back them up). I understand that the place holder musical note image is meant to be semi-transparent, so with regards to the artwork from foo_dop it would seem like the device is getting confused about whether it has artwork or not resulting in it displaying the artwork semi-transparent.

Oh, I'm still interested to know if ml_ipod has this problem or not.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: greenfoot on 2008-03-31 22:08:34
OK I made some fixes in 0.5.8.2. It should be OK now.


Yep, it works now. Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-03-31 22:39:45
Ok, quoting myself here...
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Also, I sometimes start to get an I/O Error when I try any ipod operation until I restart foobar. Again, its happened a few times and I can't pinpoint a pattern yet, but Ill let you known if I figure it out (and I dont have the exact error text, but ill add it here next time it happens). One of the times it happened was right after adding a large number of files. I sent about 100 songs and it transferred the files and the art, then when it got to updating the database I got an I/O error and the files didnt get added to the database
I had this again after trying to transfer a large movie file. The file itself got copied, and then the I/O error came up and the database wasnt updated. I think this may have something to do with the fact that you dont lock the ipod into the sync screen while the file is being copied. After a few minutes of copying, the ipod starts to sleep and perhaps this is causing foo_dop to lose the connection. Other programs keep the ipod from sleeping by displaying the sync screen until everything is complete.

On an unrelated note, the metadata for videos not transferred by foo_dop doesn't get read. I guess this probably has more to do with foobars tag reading ability than foo_dop.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-01 00:27:25
I had this again after trying to transfer a large movie file. The file itself got copied, and then the I/O error came up and the database wasnt updated. I think this may have something to do with the fact that you dont lock the ipod into the sync screen while the file is being copied. After a few minutes of copying, the ipod starts to sleep and perhaps this is causing foo_dop to lose the connection. Other programs keep the ipod from sleeping by displaying the sync screen until everything is complete.
OK. Well I can make it display the sync screen all the time, but it isn't the "proper" solution. Hopefully I'll have something for you to test soon

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On an unrelated note, the metadata for videos not transferred by foo_dop doesn't get read. I guess this probably has more to do with foobars tag reading ability than foo_dop.
It depends what metadata fields they use (or even if they tag the file..).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-04-01 00:56:57
I'm referring to information like title, episode #, episode ID, etc. I have tagged all my videos using itunes, and non of this information shows up in either file properties or in your custom video tagger.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-04-01 02:26:07
Don't want to disappoint you, but there have been no changes there  File copying speeds isn't something I have so much control over. Although, as I recall foobar2000 writes files in small chunks (to allow it to cancel the operation without waiting for the whole operation to finish), I wonder if this has any impact with regards to speed on the iPhone / iPod touch. (edit: scrap that, the only chunks used when copying to the touch are huge)


Hrmph, I was testing this morning using a different machine.  I know my home box is in need of some updating, but I didn't really think it would make THAT big a difference.  Certainly seemed faster....

I have done some testing with Winamp and ml_ipod, and it does indeed write the album covers correctly, and the cover flow shows solid images throughout.  So both Media Monkey and ml_ipod seem to have it figured out, although neither of these are without bugs.  Without getting into too many gritty details, both packages hard a much harder time dealing with databases that were modified with programs other than themselves.  However, whatever they are doing with the artwork seems to be right.

I will search around a bit to figure out how to extract a backup of the database for further testing.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-04-01 04:26:39
OK, so I have run through a little more testing here.  I have found an app called iPhoneExplorer which exposes the iPhone to the Windows Explorer, and allows me to extract both of that you asked for, the itunesDB and the ArtworkDB.

The first zip file is both of those two items, take from a database when the device was fully restored back to original settings, and music was added from the iTunes music library.

The second zip file is both of the same two files, using the same database as above, but adding a few additional albums from foo_dop.  The two albums by the band "Decapitated" were sent from the foo_dop and show up transparent; everything else was done with iTunes to a clean device, and of course has correct album cover.

Hopefully the two files you asked for will reveal something.  Ripped them off of the iPhone with the iPhoneDriveControl.exe software.  I can get more from the device if needed, but there were the two files you needed earlier.

iTunes Only No foo_dop (http://www.audiophilia.net/repository/iTunesOnly.zip)

iTunes and foo_dop edited (http://www.audiophilia.net/repository/iTunesandfoo_dop.zip)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-04-01 05:03:34
Musicmusic,

Would it be possible for you to make some variables to get the following information:

%ipod_size% = The size of the iPod (80 GB, 160 GB, etc)
%ipod_space_used% = The amount of GB used up on the iPod (returned in bytes)
%ipod_space_left% = The amount of space left for storage on the iPod (returned in bytes)

The variable codes can be different, those were just examples. I would find this information very useful for something I am making, and if you could implement this, that would be amazing .

Thanks for your hard work on this component .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-01 10:23:54
I have done some testing with Winamp and ml_ipod, and it does indeed write the album covers correctly, and the cover flow shows solid images throughout.
Thank you! This means it is something simple, and there's only a few such things

So both Media Monkey and ml_ipod seem to have it figured out, although neither of these are without bugs.
I think it's more a case of them not having the problem in the first place..

iTunes Only No foo_dop (http://www.audiophilia.net/repository/iTunesOnly.zip)

iTunes and foo_dop edited (http://www.audiophilia.net/repository/iTunesandfoo_dop.zip)
Great, thanks!

Here (http://yuo.be/download/4CFCF0E1-7C7D-446e-B18F-961FC13B9297/foo_dop-0.5.8.4-TEST.7z) is the version to test I mentioned. I made two changes:
-The sync screen should stick now
-I made a change which may impact on the cover flow issue (new albums only)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fejaouk on 2008-04-01 10:59:38
Hi,

0I am new to the forum and to Foobar which I must add I love! I have a 4GB nano and I can get it to do most things with foo_dop 0.5.7.0 and 0.5.8.2 but the only thing thats causing a problem is putting play lists onto it. I keep getting the error "Failed To Add File To iPod:Device Is Full" I know my iPod is not full as I have removed playlists off it with foo_dop, so there must be space. Is the 4GB nano not supported with foo_dop? Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance.


Fejaouk.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-01 11:56:47
Maybe JEFF K got to it ?

Or maybe something is actually full  Removing playlists doesn't remove the tracks they contain from your iPod. It should be fairly painless to check how much free space there is with Windows Explorer ? Have a read of the release notes if you're still not sure.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-04-01 13:33:13
-The sync screen should stick now


Yes it does .  Nice touch!

-I made a change which may impact on the cover flow issue (new albums only)


Nope .  Still transparent.  Now that I know how to grab database files off of the iPhone, let me know if there's any combinations you'd like for me to test out.  I can wipe the device clean and write files any way that you think might help nail down the issue.


Using this build, I just encountered an error during a FLAC > iPhone on-the-fly conversion.  foobar2000 popped the a window that read "Error writing iTunesDB file : I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 11 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB.dop.temp"

When I attempted to connected to the device using iTunes, I got an error stating "iTunes could not connect to the iPhone because the pairing record is missing".  A reboot of the device allowed me to connect to it, but the music files that were being written seem to have gotten lost in no-man's land.  iTunes now reports a large chunk of it's memory being taken up by "other" (which would be the newly transferred music) but the device doesn't see the actual music files, and nor does foo_dop.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-01 15:45:29

-The sync screen should stick now


Yes it does .  Nice touch!
Good

Nope .  Still transparent.


Now that I know how to grab database files off of the iPhone, let me know if there's any combinations you'd like for me to test out.  I can wipe the device clean and write files any way that you think might help nail down the issue.

I had a good look at your files, and actually I didn't find anything obvious (but I did manage to find some other stuff out so it was useful, but it is unlikely to affect the cover flow issue). It seemed like those backups were created with 0.5.7 BTW (not a problem, just checking).

Well, there's only two other things I'd like to know:
-If you set foo_dop to gapless scan files does that have any effect on this issue?
-If you disable all automatic syncing features with iTunes (so it does not update the iPod automatically), send an album with foo_dop, then open iTunes and close it is the artwork still broken?

Using this build, I just encountered an error during a FLAC > iPhone on-the-fly conversion.  foobar2000 popped the a window that read "Error writing iTunesDB file : I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 11 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB.dop.temp"
Hmm. Maybe this is what alphaex32 was seeing. Did the iPod do anything like go to sleep when it happened (and was it copying files for some time?) Now at least I know the error and I have some idea what happened but the question is why...

When I attempted to connected to the device using iTunes, I got an error stating "iTunes could not connect to the iPhone because the pairing record is missing".
Eugh, strange error, it doesn't say why it didn't pair them again, not that there is a good reason the pairing record would magically go missing. I was hoping I would be able to recover from this state but it doesn't sound hopeful if iTunes can't...

A reboot of the device allowed me to connect to it, but the music files that were being written seem to have gotten lost in no-man's land.  iTunes now reports a large chunk of it's memory being taken up by "other" (which would be the newly transferred music) but the device doesn't see the actual music files, and nor does foo_dop.
It is possible to recover from this state. If you goto File/Add locations, and enter applemobiledevice://<serial>:/iTunes_Control/Music/ replacing <serial> with the string that is displayed in the foobar2000 console it should add all the files to a playlist. Then you can select them all and run "iPod/Send to iPod" from the context menu which will add the missing ones into the database.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-04-01 16:33:10
When the error occurred, I had been sending a set of FLAC files converting on the fly.  To just do the conversion, this process is pretty quick, but this time I had it set to check gapless information.  Doing the gapless check for a set of 10 FLAC files had taken about 15-20 minutes, and then the device went to sleep and the aforementioned error appeared.  I was going to inquire about why it takes such an obscenely long amount of time to do this gapless check in a separate post, but I guess it kind of applies here.

I will do some more playing around with the combinations you suggested.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-01 18:30:33
Oh, I can fix the gapless scan thing. For transcodes it needs to read the file transcoded file, which is does so from the device. The file reading wasn't exactly optimal which it seems like shows on the iPhone/iPod touch badly due to the method file I/O happens on those devices. I uploaded 0.5.8.5 which includes this fix.

Strange the device went to sleep though - why is beyond me. In that test version a file handle is open on the device for the entire duration of the sync so that can't be it. Unfortunately the previous version didn't note any specific errors during the gapless scan, just whether it failed or not, and also you won't see that unless it does write the database successfully. So it's difficult to tell if it died during the gapless scan or as soon as it finished. I changed it in the new version so does keep a track of the specific error - and also so it displays the errors dialog even if it fails to write the database, so we can catch the first error if this happens again. Though you may see two error dialogs if it does happen which is why the other dialog wasn't shown before.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-04-01 19:33:01
I just tried transferring a large movie again with the newest build, and I still got the I/O error. Its similar to the one that RainDawg got:

"Error writing iTunesDB file : I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 12 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB.dop.temp"

And after I get it, I have to restart foobar to get ipod access again. Even if I replug the ipod, I get the "no ipod found" error.

Also, is there any chance of getting a more descriptive transfer dialog? Maybe it could say which file is currently being transferred, and have a separate progress bar for the job and for each the current file. This would be really helpful when transferring huge video files. Also, if the transfer is cancelled in the middle of the job, could you tell it to update the DB with only the files that have already finished?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-01 19:56:45
I just tried transferring a large movie again with the newest build, and I still got the I/O error. Its similar to the one that RainDawg got:

"Error writing iTunesDB file : I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 12 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB.dop.temp"
Hmm OK. So this happens every time you transfer that large file? About how long until the error occurred? Was it a similar thing (iPod going to sleep) or something else? There were no other errors?

Yes it failed at same part as for RainDawg but the error code is different (but, that could be explained by one of them not being the first error).

Yours should be this:
"A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond."

His should be:
"A request to send or receive data was disallowed because the socket is not connected and (when sending on a datagram socket using a sendto call) no address was supplied."

I do wonder if the iPod going to sleep is the cause or just a consequence.

Even if I replug the ipod, I get the "no ipod found" error.
This is interesting. Was/is there anything in the console after reconnecting it?

Also, if the transfer is cancelled in the middle of the job, could you tell it to update the DB with only the files that have already finished?
Yes that's planned.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-01 20:32:19
I'm referring to information like title, episode #, episode ID, etc. I have tagged all my videos using itunes, and non of this information shows up in either file properties or in your custom video tagger.
Yes indeed the "Video properties" is just a pretty interface to part of the foobar2000 tagging backend. Unfortunately foobar2000 doesn't support those atoms that iTunes uses - namely "tvsh" (Show), "tven" (Episode ID), "tvsn" (Season Number) and "tves" (Episode Number).

Musicmusic,

Would it be possible for you to make some variables to get the following information:

%ipod_size% = The size of the iPod (80 GB, 160 GB, etc)
%ipod_space_used% = The amount of GB used up on the iPod (returned in bytes)
%ipod_space_left% = The amount of space left for storage on the iPod (returned in bytes)

The variable codes can be different, those were just examples. I would find this information very useful for something I am making, and if you could implement this, that would be amazing .

Thanks for your hard work on this component .
You didn't say where, but I assume you meant globally. Probably, this would be a good way to get the replacement metadb_display_hook API axed as well  It would be better displayed in the panel or somewhere.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-04-01 20:34:32
You didn't say where, but I assume you meant globally. Probably, this would be a good way to get the replacement metadb_display_hook API axed as well  It would be better displayed in the panel or somewhere.


Doh, sorry about that. Yeah, globally would be preferred (so I can use it in track display panels).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fejaouk on 2008-04-01 20:58:13
Hi,

0I am new to the forum and to Foobar which I must add I love! I have a 4GB nano and I can get it to do most things with foo_dop 0.5.7.0 and 0.5.8.2 but the only thing thats causing a problem is putting play lists onto it. I keep getting the error "Failed To Add File To iPod:Device Is Full" I know my iPod is not full as I have removed playlists off it with foo_dop, so there must be space. Is the 4GB nano not supported with foo_dop? Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance.


Fejaouk.


Bump..anyone?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-04-01 21:03:16
this is being really unpredictable. I tried transferring a different movie, and I got the error again. This time though, I could detect the ipod after reconnecting it. So I decided to try again with another video. This time, in addition to the I/O error, my ipod seemed to get stuck in a syncing mode, where I couldnt access music or videos (it showed a "cancelling sync" screen) and not even itunes could detect it. It was ok after rebooting the ipod though.

Then, I restarted foobar and transferred 2 large movies without any problems. They are the same ones that I had tried before, so it doesnt seem to depend on the actual files themselves. I then tried a third and got the I/O error and got the stuck in sync mode problem. Heres my console after those three transfers:
Listening for Apple mobile devices.
Connected to Apple Mobile Device (DID: 7, PID: 4753, Serial: c3fa1c5aa2356b00c60d564805b8a00c4c244fef)
Error reading Play Counts file : Object not found
Warning: failed to remove iPod Play Counts file; Reason: I/O Error: AFCRemovePath returned: 8 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/PlayCounts.plist

The playcounts error showed up after the third transfer (the one that failed). Also, my ipod hasnt been going into sleep mode, so I guess im not having the same problem as raindawg. I think my error may actually have something to do with the amount of space left on the device, so im gonna play around some more and try to reproduce everything.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-04-01 21:04:25
Yeah, I wasn't actively watching it when it failed.  As soon as the error popped up though, I looked and the device was in sleep mode.

Doing the gapless check does seem faster now with the newer release.

What software are you using to interpret the database files I uploaded?  I wonder if I be able to try to track a little of this down on my own.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2008-04-01 21:10:00

Hi,

0I am new to the forum and to Foobar which I must add I love! I have a 4GB nano and I can get it to do most things with foo_dop 0.5.7.0 and 0.5.8.2 but the only thing thats causing a problem is putting play lists onto it. I keep getting the error "Failed To Add File To iPod:Device Is Full" I know my iPod is not full as I have removed playlists off it with foo_dop, so there must be space. Is the 4GB nano not supported with foo_dop? Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance.


Fejaouk.


Bump..anyone?
I can't swear to this, but removing playlists does not remove files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-01 21:35:59
This time, in addition to the I/O error, my ipod seemed to get stuck in a syncing mode, where I couldnt access music or videos (it showed a "cancelling sync" screen) and not even itunes could detect it. It was ok after rebooting the ipod though.
OK, that's probably to do with foo_dop putting it in sync mode, and then not being able to release it from it.

Error reading Play Counts file : Object not found
Warning: failed to remove iPod Play Counts file; Reason: I/O Error: AFCRemovePath returned: 8 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/PlayCounts.plist
This is OK. I will silence those. But if it's not stuck in sync mode, which it may always be now, and you can't reconnect the iPod again check if there's anything in the console in that case.

I think my error may actually have something to do with the amount of space left on the device, so im gonna play around some more and try to reproduce everything.
Hmm. It's all very strange, unfortunately. How much free space are we talking about exactly?

Also, guys, if you don't have the latest version of iTunes installed it may be helpful to update the Apple Mobile Device Support (by updating iTunes or extracting it from the installer).

What software are you using to interpret the database files I uploaded?  I wonder if I be able to try to track a little of this down on my own.
I was just using a hex editor. If you do feel like manually editing your iTunesDB, keep in mind it is protected with a hmac-sha1 hash (on the iPod touch at least, not sure about iPhone). foo_dop can regenerate that by running the "Rewrite database" command.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-04-01 22:08:22
I saw this in the console just now. Not sure if it has anything to do with foo_dop.
error: AMDShutdownNotificationProxy returned 3892314113

Anyway, the sync-mode stuck problem is easily fixed each time with a hard ipod reboot. I think I have the latest itunes version, but maybe ill do a reinstall anyway to be sure.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-01 22:52:30
I saw this in the console just now. Not sure if it has anything to do with foo_dop.
error: AMDShutdownNotificationProxy returned 3892314113
Yes that's from foo_dop. It's something that happens whilst the iPod is being disconnected, that may be the reason for the error. Nothing fatal, anyway. Just as a guide, anything that references AMD (Apple Mobile Device) or AFC (something like Apple Filesystem Connection) like that is from foo_dop.

I think I have the latest itunes version, but maybe ill do a reinstall anyway to be sure.
If you have the latest version then your Apple Mobile Device stuff will be up-to-date so no point in reinstalling for that

After thinking about this a bit more, I wonder if it is just timing out during the transfer of the large file, and this is causing the issue. Something you can check is whether sending many files (about 2-3MB each) - which have a similar size in total as one of your large videos - works. Just to give you an idea, I believe the large file will be copied in large 8MB chunks which it is maybe timing out whilst doing. If this does help I'll fix it so all I/O is done in smaller chunks (1MB seems about right to me, if I do it too small it will just slow everything down).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-04-02 00:37:53
I dont really have anything more to transfer right now in terms of smaller files (Ive got all my music on there already and only a few 100 megs left). Could you maybe do a test version with the smaller chunks and ill see if that clears up the problem with the really large files?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-04-02 05:33:08
Sorry to keep bothering you with feature requests, but is it possible to have a menu item that when clicked will detect if the ipod is connected to the computer, and if it is, load it up so the other options will work instead of giving the "No iPod Found!" message?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fejaouk on 2008-04-02 10:04:24

Hi,

0I am new to the forum and to Foobar which I must add I love! I have a 4GB nano and I can get it to do most things with foo_dop 0.5.7.0 and 0.5.8.2 but the only thing thats causing a problem is putting play lists onto it. I keep getting the error "Failed To Add File To iPod:Device Is Full" I know my iPod is not full as I have removed playlists off it with foo_dop, so there must be space. Is the 4GB nano not supported with foo_dop? Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance.


Fejaouk.


Bump..anyone?
I can't swear to this, but removing playlists does not remove files.


How do you remove files then, so you can add playlists?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-02 12:17:12
I dont really have anything more to transfer right now in terms of smaller files (Ive got all my music on there already and only a few 100 megs left). Could you maybe do a test version with the smaller chunks and ill see if that clears up the problem with the really large files?
Here (http://yuo.be/download/4CFCF0E1-7C7D-446e-B18F-961FC13B9297/foo_dop-0.5.8.6-TEST.7z) you go. It uses 0.5MB chunks. Hopefully this works out because I don't have any other ideas..

Sorry to keep bothering you with feature requests, but is it possible to have a menu item that when clicked will detect if the ipod is connected to the computer, and if it is, load it up so the other options will work instead of giving the "No iPod Found!" message?
I'm not sure I follow you. Once the iPod is connected and ready (takes a few seconds) the other options work. If you want some visual indication that it is ready then at the moment there is the panel, I was considering adding a balloon tip or something as well.

How do you remove files then, so you can add playlists?
Have a read of the release notes if you're still not sure.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: start78 on 2008-04-02 16:23:34
Just want to make shure if i got everything right:

1.: I won't need iTunes to be installed on my PC to transfer mp3s to an iPod classic

2.: My files are tagged with id3v1 & apev2 Tags. foo_dop will read all infos from f2ks database and write them to the iPods database. No need to write e.g. iTunes compatible id3v2 tags.

3.: The "album artist" infos will also be stored on the iPod so songs with that tag won't be all over the place if i'm searching for a compilation. Note: tribute-cds have the name of the tributed artist/band in the "album artist" tag so they are grouped with the artists other albums.

4.: Album art stored as folder.jpg in the album folder will be transfered and show up during playback and in coverflow.

5.: ReplayGain infos will be converted (album based) and the iPod will play files at an equal level.

6.: I can synch f2ks library with the iPod so i won't need to add new albums manually.

I'm still just planning to buy an iPod but i really don't want to install iTunes or change the tagging system of my files. Did take me long enough to reach the current state...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-04-02 16:51:50

Sorry to keep bothering you with feature requests, but is it possible to have a menu item that when clicked will detect if the ipod is connected to the computer, and if it is, load it up so the other options will work instead of giving the "No iPod Found!" message?
I'm not sure I follow you. Once the iPod is connected and ready (takes a few seconds) the other options work. If you want some visual indication that it is ready then at the moment there is the panel, I was considering adding a balloon tip or something as well.


This may explain it better:

I plug my iPod cord into my USB, and plug my iPod in along with it. My computer detects it, and makes it ready to interact with. I add some files using foo_dop, load up my playlists etc. I then choose the "Eject iPod" option in foo_dop and my iPod gets disconnected (but remains plugged into my computer).

Now what I want to do is "Detect iPod" from foo_dop to reconnect the iPod so the computer sees it. This will prevent me having to unplug my iPod from the USB cord, and then plug it back in.

Does that make more sense? I want to have the iPod reconnected to the computer without having to unplug anything.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-02 17:52:48
Just want to make shure if i got everything right:

1.: I won't need iTunes to be installed on my PC to transfer mp3s to an iPod classic

2.: My files are tagged with id3v1 & apev2 Tags. foo_dop will read all infos from f2ks database and write them to the iPods database. No need to write e.g. iTunes compatible id3v2 tags.

3.: The "album artist" infos will also be stored on the iPod so songs with that tag won't be all over the place if i'm searching for a compilation. Note: tribute-cds have the name of the tributed artist/band in the "album artist" tag so they are grouped with the artists other albums.

4.: Album art stored as folder.jpg in the album folder will be transfered and show up during playback and in coverflow.

5.: ReplayGain infos will be converted (album based) and the iPod will play files at an equal level.

6.: I can synch f2ks library with the iPod so i won't need to add new albums manually.

I'm still just planning to buy an iPod but i really don't want to install iTunes or change the tagging system of my files. Did take me long enough to reach the current state...

1. No you shouldn't, but you should be prepared to use it to at least update the firmware (and maybe register the iPod).
2. That's right, but you'll need "iTunes compatible ID3v2" if you want to use lyrics.
3. It is stored on the iPod but it doesn't use it much. You can flag albums as compilations though which causes them to be listed in a separate menu without so much mess.
4. Yes.
5. Yes, but not for automatic transcodes.  You'll need to enable "SoundCheck" on the iPod.
6. Essentially, yes.

This may explain it better:

I plug my iPod cord into my USB, and plug my iPod in along with it. My computer detects it, and makes it ready to interact with. I add some files using foo_dop, load up my playlists etc. I then choose the "Eject iPod" option in foo_dop and my iPod gets disconnected (but remains plugged into my computer).

Now what I want to do is "Detect iPod" from foo_dop to reconnect the iPod so the computer sees it. This will prevent me having to unplug my iPod from the USB cord, and then plug it back in.

Does that make more sense? I want to have the iPod reconnected to the computer without having to unplug anything.
Ah. Unfortunately, the type of eject used by foo_dop is the standard Windows "Safely remove hardware" one which is a "hard eject".

What you want used to be supported through the use of an undocumented iPod Service COM API, which supported a "warm"/"soft" eject. Using the service was a disaster though as it stopped working in a later version of iTunes, so it was replaced with what you have now (also, it required the iPod Service). How the service does this is another question, as far as I am aware it is some funky stuff with DeviceIOControl. I may look into it at some point and see if I can do the same.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: start78 on 2008-04-02 18:19:38
Just want to make shure if i got everything right:
...
3.: The "album artist" infos will also be stored on the iPod so songs with that tag won't be all over the place if i'm searching for a compilation. Note: tribute-cds have the name of the tributed artist/band in the "album artist" tag so they are grouped with the artists other albums.
...
...
3. It is stored on the iPod but it doesn't use it much. You can flag albums as compilations though which causes them to be listed in a separate menu without so much mess.
...

What do you mean with "doesn't use it much"? I thougt iTunes (and so the iPod) use the "band" tag just like most f2k users use the "album artist" tag? So in my case tribute albums would be grouped with the other albums (in itunes, if i would use id3v2 tags and would use "band" tag instead of "album artist").

Will the all songs of a compilation be accollated (right word?) to the actual performer (from the "artist" tag)?

I once tested wmp11 and when i used it to group a tribute album it added a "band" tag to the songs and the album was grouped with the other albums of the album artist. So i thought iTunes (/ the iPod) work the same way!?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-04-02 19:29:31
Ok, I tried the test version with the 0.5MB chunks, and the first large video transfer worked fine. Now, though, everytime I try to transfer another large movie, it simply hangs at "copying one file" and my ipod gets stuck in sync mode. Foobar doesnt freeze, it just doesnt seem to progress from that step of the transfer (ive given it as much as 30 minutes, when I think it normally take around 5 minutes for a 700mb video). I havent seen behavior like this yet, so Im assuming its a result of the new changes in this version. Ill revert to the previous version and confirm that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-02 20:17:19
Ok, I tried the test version with the 0.5MB chunks, and the first large video transfer worked fine. Now, though, everytime I try to transfer another large movie, it simply hangs at "copying one file" and my ipod gets stuck in sync mode.
Eugh, strange, it shouldn't get stuck. Did the "Stop" button work? Did you check CPU usage whilst it was stuck?

700mb video
OK, I confirm that's a large file
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-04-02 20:24:22
stop button had no effect, and there didnt seem to be any effect on CPU usage. The only way to get it to stop is to make foobar lose the connection by turning off or disconnecting the ipod (in which case the ipod gets stuck in sync mode and I need to reset it anyway).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-02 20:34:33
If the Stop button had no effect it was "stuck" inside the iTunes library (or reading the local file). How long did you wait after pressing Stop? So it's doing this often now? It seems strange it would hang when it rather likes to timeout normally.

Are you testing with the same file each time BTW?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-04-02 20:50:11
Well I switched back to the previous version, but yeah, every time after the first that I tried to transfer a large file it would get stuck like that. I tried a bunch of different files, all of which have transferred successfully at some point with either foo_dop or another program. As for the stop button, I waited maybe a couple of minutes. Ill go back to the new test version and maybe experiment some more.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-02 21:01:32
OK. If it gets stuck again, grab Process Explorer (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx), goto foobar2000.exe Properties then the Threads tab. Double click each entry, highlight everything in the popup window and hit copy (and paste it somewhere). Do that for every thread. Then paste the whole lot here in a codebox or on pastebin.com if you prefer.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-04-02 21:59:51
Ok, weird. After installing the old version of foo_dop, doing a test transfer, and then reinstalling the new version, I get the same pattern as before: the first video was sent fine, then I couldn't get any more to work. I can confirm that the stop button has no effect when it goes into this state.Here are the threads. Good luck 
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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-02 23:42:05
OK, well yes it is hanging whilst writing. It seems like it's waiting for some response from the iPod touch or something and not getting it..

I am sorry to say, but this is a bit like a never ending nightmare

I can explain this a bit more actually. The timeout on the operation should be a minute. Probably, the Apple write function is actually timing out but not indicating an error condition. So foo_dop carries on trying to write the file as if nothing is wrong. It was probably doing this before, but since I changed the chunks to half a megabyte it will time out many many more times (60*700/0.5 = 1400 minutes!?!?). It will then error the next time it tries to open a file (this explains the error writing the database).

So, now I understand a bit more what is happening but not why.

Unfortunately, there's not much else to try. One thing is that it currently keeps a connection to the filesystem open the whole time the iPod is connected. I can change this so it is only open whilst some I/O is actually going on. But even if this appears to work, it would surely just be hiding the problem.

Do you know if transferring such large files is reliable with MediaMonkey or even iTunes ?!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-04-03 00:49:51
Hmm, that makes some sense I guess  I wouldnt blame you if you stopped developing for the touch and iphone, since it works for most common operations already. Maybe eventually apple will open them up more and give implementation details for third parties (as soon as hell freezes over, that is).

Btw, itunes handles large movie files fine (it had better, since apple sells them on their store). Im not sure if mediamonkey even supports video files yet.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-03 01:06:30
Hmm, that makes some sense I guess  I wouldnt blame you if you stopped developing for the touch and iphone, since it works for most common operations already.
In all honesty, I don't think there's much else I can try without having a touch myself. This thing I mentioned: "keeps a connection to the filesystem open the whole time the iPod is connected" - iTunes does the same anyway. This iTunesMobileDevice.dll library is a POS as well.

Maybe eventually apple will open them up more and give implementation details for third parties (as soon as hell freezes over, that is).
Oh, yes that will never happen 

Btw, itunes handles large movie files fine (it had better, since apple sells them on their store).
OK. I just don't see what else I could do differently. There is the thing about the iPod sending me messages during the sync (they are cancel, pause and resume) which I don't use currently, but I don't really see it as being related to this (as I understand the cancel one at least relates to an action on the iPod itself).

Hmm, that makes some sense I guess
Eugh, I thought it did - but it doesn't explain why the stop button had no effect (it should have had some effect within a minute of pressing it). Oh well......
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skyfish on 2008-04-04 12:12:24
musicmusic, I can't express how grateful I am for this plugin! I'm on a very clean nLited XP, and iTunes size and behavior shocked me like an elephant in my drawer would.

Loaded my 6G Classic 160 with 18k tracks and 1k covers just fine (0.5.7.0). Tried this and that -- no bugs so far.

One issue though. It appears you do not use date for sorting @ iPod. I guess you do so to avoid issues with multi-dates albums, like compilations and such. But this makes it not very convenient for those who have common albums collections, especially with 5+ albums per artist.

I am aware there is no simple design solution for that, yet maybe there is something you can do about that. Common albums are very [think]...[/think] common, I bet you yourself have some artist with a big album list.

For now is there a way a foo_dop freshman can emulate date sorintg with the metadata mapping? So far my attempts failed, any tips?
A short sleep revealed a wasted man's typo. Album mapping [%date%] %album% works as supposed.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dologan on 2008-04-07 09:25:24
Since it's my first time posting on this thread (that I can remember, at least), I want to thank musicmusic for the wonderful plugin that is foo_dop as well as ColumnsUI. Kudos, man!

I would like to ask about the Nero AAC gapless support that was introduced since version 0.5.4 of the plugin since, for some reason, it does not seem to be working in my case. I am using a 5G iPod 60GB with firmware 1.3 and encoding using Nero Digital from August 2007 (AFAIK, the latest version). While foo_dop clearly reports that tracks have been added gapless info, playing them on the iPod clearly isn't gapless at all, unlike on foobar2000, obviously. Showing the properties of the files in question on iTunes show an unchecked "Gapless album" checkbox, but even after checking it there, the tracks do no play gaplessly...

Now, I am not sure whether this inability is intrinsic of this iPod model (although AFAIK 5Gs should be); whether Nero AAC still doesn't work gaplessly (but what else does that feature mean?); whether I am doing something wrong somewhere or whether there is some bug somewhere on foo_dop. Does anyone have an idea of what could be wrong? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-07 11:56:37
Hi!

Yes, it should work with your 5G.

I tested with version 1.1.34.2 of the Nero encoder which should be the one you have. It was definitely working corrected when I added the feature.

If you go into "Browse iPod" you can see the actual encoder delay and padding values that have been written. If you paste them here then I can check if they are sane (with a sample file I can check if they are correct also).

Also, with at least MP3s (not such about AAC), seeking on the iPod likes to break gapless playback.

The gaplesss album option in iTunes is just for disabling crossfading when playing back in iTunes.

Lastly, iTunes also supports Nero gapless data accurately so you can try sending the album with that and see if works or not (you'll need to rename them to .m4a first though).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-07 16:18:07
I updated the experimental build to 0.5.8.7 and added support for multiple concurrent encodings when converting

Again, it's experimental and just for testing. Have fun
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dologan on 2008-04-07 22:59:36
Hi!

Yes, it should work with your 5G.

I tested with version 1.1.34.2 of the Nero encoder which should be the one you have. It was definitely working corrected when I added the feature.

If you go into "Browse iPod" you can see the actual encoder delay and padding values that have been written. If you paste them here then I can check if they are sane (with a sample file I can check if they are correct also).

Also, with at least MP3s (not such about AAC), seeking on the iPod likes to break gapless playback.

The gaplesss album option in iTunes is just for disabling crossfading when playing back in iTunes.

Lastly, iTunes also supports Nero gapless data accurately so you can try sending the album with that and see if works or not (you'll need to rename them to .m4a first though).

Hi musicmusic, thanks a lot for your quick reply.

I originally noticed the gaps during normal listening, but before posting my message I checked it with that classic gapless album Dark Side of the Moon by seeking to near the end of the songs (as I was in a bit of a hurry). I have now checked again by playing from the beginning and I can confirm that the gap is definitely there. I also tried playing it from within iTunes, and it also has the same gap problem...

Here are the encoder delay and padding values on a screenshot from the "Browse iPod" window, as you suggested:

(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5457/nogaplessxv9.th.png) (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nogaplessxv9.png)

Do those values look normal to you? I must say they don't look significantly different to those from other non-gapless albums on my library, but then again I am not sure if they should. I would post a sample too, but given the legal limitation of 30 s for samples, I'm not sure how to do so usefully (that is, without compromising the gapless info). Would an appropriate slice from Audacity do the trick? You might have DSOTM, anyway, though, so it might not even be necessary.

Thanks again for your help and sorry to be hassle.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-07 23:40:41
Do those values look normal to you?
I think they are OK.

I would post a sample too, but given the legal limitation of 30 s for samples, I'm not sure how to do so usefully (that is, without compromising the gapless info).
Well, you can PM me any (encoded) files you want me to check and I'll try them on my iPod Classic. I encoded a few secs of a continuous tone a few times and sent those to my iPod Classic and those are OK (but: I remember the iPod having trouble playing short MP3 files (<few secs) gaplessly).

I'm not sure if you are just experiencing a dodgy implementation on the iPod's side or something else.

A few things you can try still:
-If the files have .MP4 extension you can try renaming them to .M4A
-You could try encoding the album with LAME as MP3 just to check if that plays back gaplessly.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dologan on 2008-04-08 21:45:09
A few things you can try still:
-If the files have .MP4 extension you can try renaming them to .M4A
-You could try encoding the album with LAME as MP3 just to check if that plays back gaplessly.

Renaming to .M4A from .MP4 did the trick!  Thanks a lot for your help! Perhaps it would be a good idea to have foo_dop rename  automatically any AAC with MP4 extension to M4A in order to make it fool-proof in the future?


BTW, taking advantage of the post, I'd like to make a feature request regarding album artwork. As a user of the Album Art Panel module on your Columns UI, I have found its cover image source system very powerful and useful for those with inconsistent cover naming habits like me, and I thought something like that could be quite useful for foo_dop too, since, last I checked, it still far surpasses foobar's built-in artwork reader.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-08 22:57:31
Renaming to .M4A from .MP4 did the trick!  Thanks a lot for your help! Perhaps it would be a good idea to have foo_dop rename  automatically any AAC with MP4 extension to M4A in order to make it fool-proof in the future?
Ah OK thanks for the info  Makes sense since iTunes is similar in that regard. Yes it would be prudent for the component to do that, I'll change it
BTW, taking advantage of the post, I'd like to make a feature request regarding album artwork. As a user of the Album Art Panel module on your Columns UI, I have found its cover image source system very powerful and useful for those with inconsistent cover naming habits like me, and I thought something like that could be quite useful for foo_dop too, since, last I checked, it still far surpasses foobar's built-in artwork reader.
It seems a bit overkill in the same way my file conversion config looks nothing like the standalone converter. I can maybe add wildcard support but do you really need multiple source strings (bear in mind you have the foobar2000 artwork reader as well)? If you post your Album Art Panel config I'll have a bit more to think about.. Replicating extensive configuration dialogs of other components isn't something I really want to do, I'd like to see if I could incorporate it in a simple way.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dologan on 2008-04-08 23:58:10
It seems a bit overkill in the same way my file conversion config looks nothing like the standalone converter. I can maybe add wildcard support but do you really need multiple source strings (bear in mind you have the foobar2000 artwork reader as well)? If you post your Album Art Panel config I'll have a bit more to think about.. Replicating extensive configuration dialogs of other components isn't something I really want to do, I'd like to see if I could incorporate it in a simple way.

Ah, if it's a hassle, then don't bother, really. It's not a big deal to me at all. In fact, wildcard (or foobar formatting script) support would most probably be more than sufficient for most of my purposes and it is hardly an important feature for me. It was just an minor idea to exercise the fingers after such a short post
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-09 00:11:21
OK  You can enter title formatting scripts already though
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PlazzTT on 2008-04-11 14:44:40
I love this plugin, completely does away with iTunes.

For the past few weeks when I go to Re-write iPod database I get the error "Error writing iTunes DB file : The file is corrupted".

I also get this when I send music to the iPod (only when it goes to write the DB though, so I think the files are sent to my iPod, just not indexed in the DB).

I've been able to load and eject my iPod from iTunes with no problems (including after adding mp3s to the iPod).

Is there some way to "fix" my iTunesDB file?

There's a file called iTunesDB.dop.backup which I can't copy or cut out off my iPod. Windows says "The file or directory is corrupted and unreadable"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-11 15:17:04
I'm afraid this indicates a problem with the filesystem on the device. As part of the write process it replaces that backup file which is where it sounds like it is tripping up (other programs won't normally touch this file). There may be some messages in the system event log.

If there's anything important on the iPod I'd try and back it up in case it is a more serious problem, and run a chkdsk if you want to try and repair the filesystem.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PlazzTT on 2008-04-11 15:54:12
You're right, chkdsk through up some file system problems alright.

Using the /F switch seems to have fixed it

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: greenfoot on 2008-04-11 22:24:17
I recently changed the name of a field that is present in all the music in my music library, and now I am pretty much back to square one as far as synchronizing my ipod goes (I use on-the-fly flac -> mp3). I was wondering if, structurally, there was any way that foo_dop could detect differences in the tags of music on the computer and ipod, and conform the ipod music tags if the binary parts of the files are still the same.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-04-12 04:54:58
I recently changed the name of a field that is present in all the music in my music library, and now I am pretty much back to square one as far as synchronizing my ipod goes (I use on-the-fly flac -> mp3). I was wondering if, structurally, there was any way that foo_dop could detect differences in the tags of music on the computer and ipod, and conform the ipod music tags if the binary parts of the files are still the same.


The binary parts?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: greenfoot on 2008-04-12 06:30:01
The binary parts?


Sorry if I was unclear. By that, I meant everything that is not metadata.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2008-04-13 10:43:08
Hi musicmusic.

I just want to add my "thank you!" for this plugin.

I'm testing it with my new 8GB iPod Touch and I'm really impressed: it works like a charm, even transferring my external album arts.

I have a few questions, if you have time.

1) How does foo_dop transfer external art work? Is it embedded in each MP3 or stored on the iPod once for each album? If the former, is it resized before embedding?

2) Synchronise doesn't seem to work (all contents are sent even if only a few actually changed): is it related to the above question?

3) While experimenting, I badly messed up my iPod library (probably because I loaded it in foobar and then did a File Operation -> Delete File). Your plugin was still able to tranfer contents to the iPod, but there were multiple entries of each song (only one of which working): neither Rewrite iPod database nor Refresh iPod library metadata could solve the problem and I had to reset the iPod: is it something you think could be fixed in foo_dop?

Regards.

Alessandro

PS: While writing this a Synchronise was in progress and it gave me the following error:
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Error writing iTunesDB file : I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 12 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB.dop.temp

Edit: and on closing foobar I got the following crash:
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Illegal operation:
Code: C0000005h, flags: 00000000h, address: 66801582h
Access violation, operation: read, address: 056F0B36h
Call path not available.
Code bytes (66801582h):
66801542h:  C6 5E 5B 5F 5D C3 CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC 53 8B
66801552h:  1D 54 64 30 67 55 8B 2D 50 64 30 67 56 8B 74 24
66801562h:  10 57 6A 01 68 BC 6C 51 67 FF D5 85 C0 74 11 6A
66801572h:  01 FF D3 6A 01 68 BC 6C 51 67 FF D5 85 C0 75 EF
66801582h:  0F B7 46 06 33 FF 3B C7 0F 84 CF 00 00 00 83 F8
66801592h:  01 0F 85 8A 00 00 00 33 C0 89 3D BC 6C 51 67 66
668015A2h:  8B 46 04 8B C8 81 E1 00 FF 00 00 66 81 F9 00 02
668015B2h:  74 61 0F B7 D0 C1 EA 08 8B 04 95 90 68 51 67 8B
Stack (0012FAACh):
0012FA8Ch:  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0012FA9Ch:  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0012FAACh:  0012FAC4 0012FAE8 0012FADC 00000000
0012FABCh:  668CDD0F 056F0B30 00000000 00D24040
0012FACCh:  00000004 66801550 0012FA30 00000028
0012FADCh:  00D26900 055B6EE2 056F0B30 00D24040
0012FAECh:  00CB58E7 91F8B263 00D24040 00D24040
0012FAFCh:  00000000 0012FB98 00CDA02A 00000001
0012FB0Ch:  00CBB2D9 00D24040 00D23FE0 00CB928F
0012FB1Ch:  00000001 91F8B3B3 00000000 00D23FE0
0012FB2Ch:  00D26900 00000001 0012FB74 7C91EE18
0012FB3Ch:  7C920570 FFFFFFFF 7C92056D 00CC32F3
0012FB4Ch:  00D20000 00000000 00CC3312 91F8B313
0012FB5Ch:  00000000 00D26924 00000001 0012FB54
0012FB6Ch:  0012FB58 0012FBA4 0012FBCC 00CC7DE0
0012FB7Ch:  9124E4E7 FFFFFFFE 00CC3312 00C99F3D
0012FB8Ch:  00D24270 00D26938 00D26900 0012FBCC
0012FB9Ch:  00CD7DDD FFFFFFFF 00CB8FB9 00D23FE0
0012FBACh:  00D23FE0 00C8C543 00000001 91F8B32B
0012FBBCh:  00000001 00D26900 0012FBFC 00D26900
Registers:
EAX: 00000000, EBX: 7C802442, ECX: 67516CBC, EDX: 00000001
ESI: 056F0B30, EDI: 0012FAC4, EBP: 7C8097AD, ESP: 0012FAAC
Crash location: "QuickTime", loaded at 66800000h - 67593000h

Loaded modules:
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ntdll                            loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
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COMCTL32                        loaded at 773A0000h - 774A2000h
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ADVAPI32                        loaded at 77F40000h - 77FEB000h
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UxTheme                          loaded at 5B180000h - 5B1B8000h
foo_dsp_crossfader              loaded at 00D30000h - 00D4A000h
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foo_facets                      loaded at 00DE0000h - 00E61000h
OLEAUT32                        loaded at 770F0000h - 7717C000h
MSIMG32                          loaded at 76330000h - 76335000h
foo_fileops                      loaded at 00E90000h - 00ED6000h
foo_freedb2                      loaded at 00F00000h - 00F41000h
foo_input_std                    loaded at 00F70000h - 01098000h
foo_lyricsdb                    loaded at 010C0000h - 010EF000h
WININET                          loaded at 77180000h - 77227000h
CRYPT32                          loaded at 77A50000h - 77AE5000h
MSASN1                          loaded at 77AF0000h - 77B02000h
foo_masstag                      loaded at 01110000h - 01160000h
foo_playcount                    loaded at 01180000h - 011A5000h
foo_quicktag                    loaded at 011E0000h - 0121E000h
foo_rgscan                      loaded at 01240000h - 0129A000h
foo_run                          loaded at 012C0000h - 012EE000h
foo_uie_albumart                loaded at 01310000h - 0134D000h
foo_uie_lyrics                  loaded at 01370000h - 013CF000h
WINMM                            loaded at 76B00000h - 76B2E000h
foo_uie_vis_peakmeter_spectrum  loaded at 01470000h - 014AF000h
foo_ui_columns                  loaded at 014D0000h - 015E9000h
foo_ui_std                      loaded at 01610000h - 016D1000h
idle                            loaded at 60300000h - 60307000h
MSVCR71                          loaded at 7C340000h - 7C396000h
mswsock                          loaded at 719D0000h - 71A10000h
DNSAPI                          loaded at 76EE0000h - 76F07000h
iphlpapi                        loaded at 76D20000h - 76D39000h
DSOUND                          loaded at 73E80000h - 73EDC000h
VERSION                          loaded at 77BD0000h - 77BD8000h
WINTRUST                        loaded at 76BF0000h - 76C1E000h
IMAGEHLP                        loaded at 76C50000h - 76C78000h
CoreFoundation                  loaded at 18000000h - 18112000h
WSOCK32                          loaded at 71A50000h - 71A5A000h
YSFileShim                      loaded at 04D10000h - 04D1A000h
icuuc36                          loaded at 04D20000h - 04DE8000h
icudt36                          loaded at 04DF0000h - 054F7000h
icuin36                          loaded at 05500000h - 0558D000h
pthreadGC2                      loaded at 05590000h - 0559F000h
libobjc.i386.A                  loaded at 22200000h - 2229D000h
iTunesMobileDevice              loaded at 055A0000h - 056B3000h
QuickTime                        loaded at 66800000h - 67593000h
wdmaud                          loaded at 72C90000h - 72C99000h
hnetcfg                          loaded at 66750000h - 667A8000h
wshtcpip                        loaded at 71A10000h - 71A18000h
msacm32                          loaded at 72C80000h - 72C88000h
MSACM32                          loaded at 77BB0000h - 77BC5000h
midimap                          loaded at 77BA0000h - 77BA7000h
KsUser                          loaded at 73E50000h - 73E54000h
rsaenh                          loaded at 0FFD0000h - 0FFF8000h
rasadhlp                        loaded at 76F80000h - 76F86000h
xpsp2res                        loaded at 20000000h - 202D5000h
DBGHELP                          loaded at 59E60000h - 59F01000h

Stack dump analysis:
Address: 668CDD0Fh, location: "QuickTime", loaded at 66800000h - 67593000h
Symbol: "CallComponentFunctionWithStorage" (+00000E5Fh)
Address: 66801550h, location: "QuickTime", loaded at 66800000h - 67593000h
Address: 055B6EE2h, location: "iTunesMobileDevice", loaded at 055A0000h - 056B3000h
Symbol: "AMSCleanup" (+00000012h)
Address: 00CB58E7h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CDA02Ah, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CBB2D9h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CB928Fh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 7C91EE18h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+00000117h)
Address: 7C920570h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000133h)
Address: 7C92056Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 00CC32F3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CC3312h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CC7DE0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CC3312h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00C99F3Dh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CD7DDDh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CB8FB9h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00C8C543h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CDB1C1h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00C8C5A5h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CDB5B0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00C8C5D7h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CF9298h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00C8B53Fh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00C8A620h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CF9294h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00C8A514h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00C8A57Ch, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CDDF30h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 7C91E027h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "ZwQueryInformationProcess" (+0000000Ch)
Address: 00CF9294h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CA032Ah, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CDDF30h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CE16B4h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CF92A4h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CE16ACh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CDCCC3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CC81E4h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CDDF30h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00C60000h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CC7DE0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CC829Dh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CC48FBh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CC4A2Dh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00C60000h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CC7DE0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00CC4A98h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00C60000h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 7C9111A7h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "LdrInitializeThunk" (+00000029h)
Address: 00C60000h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 7C933F31h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "LdrShutdownProcess" (+00000142h)
Address: 00CC4A7Ah, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 00C60000h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 7C91E88Eh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "ZwTerminateProcess" (+00000000h)
Address: 7C9205C8h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+0000018Bh)
Address: 7C920551h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000114h)
Address: 7C920945h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "RtlAcquirePebLock" (+00000028h)
Address: 7C92094Eh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "RtlAcquirePebLock" (+00000031h)
Address: 00CC4A7Ah, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00C60000h - 00D09000h
Address: 7C91EE18h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+00000117h)
Address: 7C933E98h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "LdrShutdownProcess" (+000000A9h)
Address: 7C81CA3Eh, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8FF000h
Symbol: "IsValidLocale" (+000008EBh)
Address: 7C91EE18h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+00000117h)
Address: 7C921962h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "RtlDeleteCriticalSection" (+000000D8h)
Address: 7C91EE18h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+00000117h)
Address: 7C920570h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000133h)
Address: 7C921962h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "RtlDeleteCriticalSection" (+000000D8h)
Address: 7C921993h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "RtlDeleteCriticalSection" (+00000109h)
Address: 7C98C080h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Address: 0101DE36h, location: "foo_input_std", loaded at 00F70000h - 01098000h
Address: 004A5603h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 7C91EE18h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+00000117h)
Address: 7C920570h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000133h)
Address: 7C92056Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C910000h - 7C9C6000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 0049B7B9h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 0049B7D8h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 7C8399F3h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8FF000h
Symbol: "FindAtomW" (+00000094h)
Address: 7C81CA78h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8FF000h
Symbol: "IsValidLocale" (+00000925h)
Address: 7C81CAB6h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8FF000h
Symbol: "ExitProcess" (+00000014h)
Address: 0049EA8Dh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 0049EC7Ah, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 0049DA60h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 0049ECA3h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 0049D81Dh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 00E2D0B8h, location: "foo_facets", loaded at 00DE0000h - 00E61000h
Address: 0049DA60h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 7C816D4Fh, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8FF000h
Symbol: "RegisterWaitForInputIdle" (+00000049h)
Address: 00E2D0B8h, location: "foo_facets", loaded at 00DE0000h - 00E61000h
Address: 7C8399F3h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8FF000h
Symbol: "FindAtomW" (+00000094h)
Address: 7C816D58h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8FF000h
Symbol: "RegisterWaitForInputIdle" (+00000052h)
Address: 0049D87Ah, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 004E0049h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 004F0044h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 004B0063h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 00500069h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 00500069h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 00410072h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 004E0049h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 004F0044h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 00500069h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 004D002Eh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 00500069h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 0044002Eh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 0044002Eh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 00410072h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 004E0049h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 004F0044h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 0044002Eh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 004D002Eh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h
Address: 0044002Eh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00523000h

Version info:
foobar2000 v0.9.5.1
UNICODE
Windows 5.1


Additional info:
Cover Flow 0.18  (foo_bubble_coverflow)
Playback Statistics 2.0  (foo_playcount)
Default User Interface 0.9.5  (foo_ui_std)
Standard Input Array 1.0  (foo_input_std)
Quick Tagger 1.0  (foo_quicktag)
Album List 4.2  (foo_albumlist)
Run services 0.3.4  (foo_run)
Standard DSP Array 1.0  (foo_dsp_std)
Album Art Panel 0.2.7.1  (foo_uie_albumart)
freedb Tagger 0.5.2.1  (foo_freedb2)
Columns UI 0.3 beta 1 preview 4  (foo_ui_columns)
CD Audio Decoder 2.1.2  (foo_cdda)
iPod manager 0.5.7.0 TEST  (foo_dop)
foo_lyricsdb 0.0.7 beta 5  (foo_lyricsdb)
ReplayGain Scanner 2.0.3  (foo_rgscan)
foobar2000 core 0.9.5.1  (Core)
Gapless Crossfader 0.3.3.5 (SSE)  (foo_dsp_crossfader)
File Operations 2.1  (foo_fileops)
Audioscrobbler 1.3.16  (foo_audioscrobbler)
Masstagger 1.6  (foo_masstag)
Converter 1.1  (foo_converter)
Facets 2008-02-25  (foo_facets)
Peakmeter Spectrum Visualisation 0.1.0.2 beta  (foo_uie_vis_peakmeter_spectrum)
Lyric Show Panels 0.3.2.2 [Feb 14 2008 - 13:57:22]  (foo_uie_lyrics)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-04-13 15:24:56
Sorry if I was unclear. By that, I meant everything that is not metadata.

Unfortunately, once you converted from FLAC to MP3 the audio portions are already different.  It is impossible to compare the audio between a lossless and a lossy encoded file .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-13 17:49:05
1) How does foo_dop transfer external art work? Is it embedded in each MP3 or stored on the iPod once for each album? If the former, is it resized before embedding?
No, it's stored in some files that the iPod uses, in various sizes that the iPod uses for different views.

2) Synchronise doesn't seem to work (all contents are sent even if only a few actually changed): is it related to the above question?
You're right, it seems broken for iPod touch/iPhone due to last modified time issue mentioned previously. I'll fix it.

3) While experimenting, I badly messed up my iPod library (probably because I loaded it in foobar and then did a File Operation -> Delete File). Your plugin was still able to tranfer contents to the iPod, but there were multiple entries of each song (only one of which working): neither Rewrite iPod database nor Refresh iPod library metadata could solve the problem and I had to reset the iPod: is it something you think could be fixed in foo_dop?
Not automatically, you need a "remove dead items" action which doesn't exist currently. You can do "load library", find the dead files and do "iPod/Remove files" though.

PS: While writing this a Synchronise was in progress and it gave me the following error:
Code: [Select]
Error writing iTunesDB file : I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 12 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB.dop.temp
Unfortunately lengthy operations seem to cause this on the iPod touch/iPhone. I don't know why.

Edit: and on closing foobar I got the following crash:
This is why.. iPod touch/iPhone support is opt-in. It crashed in one of the Apple libraries. Does it happen often (on exit)..?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2008-04-14 00:20:47
Hi and thanks for yout reply.
No, it's stored in some files that the iPod uses, in various sizes that the iPod uses for different views.
I see... And what happens if I add or update some covers without touching my MP3s? Will foo_dop detect those changes as well during a Sync?
lengthy operations seem to cause this on the iPod touch/iPhone.
Well, after resetting my iPod I transferred more than 1000 MP3s (~6.5GB) in one shot, so lengthy operations do seem to work, at least sometimes.
Does it happen often (on exit)..?
Well, before the reset it happened 3 or 4 times, but I thought it was caused by the fake entries in the iPod library: I can post the previous crash logs, if you want. After the last crash, I have not used foo_dop: do you want me to try something specific?

BTW, currently using foo_dop v0.5.7.0 TEST.

Regards.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-14 00:52:20
I see... And what happens if I add or update some covers without touching my MP3s? Will foo_dop detect those changes as well during a Sync?
No, it won't.

Well, after resetting my iPod I transferred more than 1000 MP3s (~6.5GB) in one shot, so lengthy operations do seem to work, at least sometimes.
I don't really know the specifics, but someone could make it reliably happen when sending two 700mb files one after the other. Basically, the connection to the iPod dies in some odd way.

Well, before the reset it happened 3 or 4 times, but I thought it was caused by the fake entries in the iPod library: I can post the previous crash logs, if you want. After the last crash, I have not used foo_dop: do you want me to try something specific?
It shouldn't be related to that. When closing foobar2000 the component deinitialises the iTunes library. This then crashes when interfacing with some part of Quicktime.

Basically, the only thing I can do about it is not deinitialise the iTunes library, which may create some other problem. Just make sure you are using the latest version of iTunes and Quicktime (AFAIK 7.6.2 and 7.4.5). They come handily bundled together.. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-04-18 05:07:21
I just got my own iPod 80 GB Classic today (yay!) and I have had an issue converting a FLAC to an MP3. I get this error:

. Guess I need to keep itunes installed for future updates >.<
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-18 10:41:04
What version of foo_dop are you using?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Senn_Helo on 2008-04-18 23:27:09
I just started using my own custom directory / folder structure. I followed the guide and, to my shock, it worked flawlessly!

I've simply got it set up as iPod>Library>Artist>Album, which works perfectly. I turned on my iPod and my jaw dropped when the first song played. After so many issues, I am so glad to see something that actually works. Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-19 23:09:51
After so many issues
Hmm..?

I am so glad to see something that actually works. Thanks!
Welcome
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-04-20 05:35:55
What version of foo_dop are you using?


Here are all the problems I am encountering using foo_dop:

1. Artwork doesn't seem to show up for ALL files in an album. Most of the time the artwork only shows up for the first track and all other songs have no art. The art is ALL stored in a separate folder with the file name of %album%.jpg across all files.

2. Even after updating my iPod (to version 1.1.1) some songs transfered over do NOT play . Every song I have transfered has been an mp3 file (no aac, no conversions on the way over or anything like that). The mp3's vary in bitrate, vbr/cbr, v0,v2 etc. I will try and find a common similrity in the non working ones. GOOD NEWS is that all my songs DO transfer, BAD NEWS is they can freeze my iPod, or just not play.

3. Sometimes artwork doesn't always transfer over even tho it does exist. Trying to transfer the same songs with the artwork again usually works tho. Maybe because there is SO many artwork files?

So my stats are:
foobar2000 v 0.9.5.2 Beta 2
foo_dop 0.5.8.7 TEST
Windows XP Home SP2
iPod 80 GB Classic (6G?)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2008-04-20 10:20:00
I'm having the same sort of problem as Keikonium with the album art, but the album art is missing from the first track on a album. the album art is stored at folder.jpg in the dir with the mp4's.

using:
Foobar 0.9.5.2
foo_dop 0.5.8.7 TEST
Ipod Classic 160

(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8097/ipodrs2.th.png) (http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ipodrs2.png)

i'll try an earlier version and see if it fixes it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-20 10:23:25
1. It maybe related to some changes I made in 0.5.8.x, I'll check this later (I have iPod Classic also). You can try 0.5.7.0 for now (remove existing copies of albums before resending them though).

2. In the past this was caused by the files having multiple ID3v2 tags.

3. Maybe related to 1. somehow.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2008-04-20 10:39:14
All the album art copied over fine using v0.5.7.0 TEST
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2008-04-20 18:17:19
Question: I use an %added% tag on all of my music by assigning the date (ex. 20080416 for music that was added on April 16th 2008) to files that are added to my library. Would it be possible to use this tag in the remapping of say... Composer? And if so, would there be a way to reverse the order of the composer menu so that the higher numbers appear on top rather than the bottom (hence, the newest music appearing first)?

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-20 23:38:11
All the album art copied over fine using v0.5.7.0 TEST
Yes, what you saw makes sense. It should be fixed in 0.5.8.8. Possibly, this may affect the coverflow iPod touch/iPhone problem (new albums only). Also made the discussed change so that non-video MP4 files are renamed to M4A.

Question: I use an %added% tag on all of my music by assigning the date (ex. 20080416 for music that was added on April 16th 2008) to files that are added to my library. Would it be possible to use this tag in the remapping of say... Composer?
Yes, but it's not necessarily a good idea.  The iPod does store a date added field in it's database, which you can make a smart playlist from, but currently I am filling it with the date added to the iPod.

And if so, would there be a way to reverse the order of the composer menu so that the higher numbers appear on top rather than the bottom (hence, the newest music appearing first)?
This is not possible.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-04-21 07:21:03
I am now using the newest 0.5.8.8 TEST and it seems to transfer art for all tracks, and MOST tracks play, but some still do not . Is there anyway I can "clean" my tracks so they don't have multiple ID3v2 tags if that is in fact the problem?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-04-21 08:45:45
I am now using the newest 0.5.8.8 TEST and it seems to transfer art for all tracks, and MOST tracks play, but some still do not . Is there anyway I can "clean" my tracks so they don't have multiple ID3v2 tags if that is in fact the problem?

I'm pretty sure MP3Tag (http://www.mp3tag.de/) is able to do it - you could try having it just rewrite the ID3v2 tags, or you could add APEv2 tags, then strip the ID3v2 tags, then add back ID3v2 tags and strip the APEv2 tags.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-04-21 08:55:43

I am now using the newest 0.5.8.8 TEST and it seems to transfer art for all tracks, and MOST tracks play, but some still do not . Is there anyway I can "clean" my tracks so they don't have multiple ID3v2 tags if that is in fact the problem?

I'm pretty sure MP3Tag (http://www.mp3tag.de/) is able to do it - you could try having it just rewrite the ID3v2 tags, or you could add APEv2 tags, then strip the ID3v2 tags, then add back ID3v2 tags and strip the APEv2 tags.


I've set all my files up to have both ID3 and APE tags using foobar, so would that be a problem?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-21 17:03:49
First thing you need to do is check if the file does have multiple leading ID3v2 tags. The only realistic way I know of doing this is using a hex editor. You may find that iTunes rejects these files as well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-04-21 17:16:01
First thing you need to do is check if the file does have multiple leading ID3v2 tags. The only realistic way I know of doing this is using a hex editor. You may find that iTunes rejects these files as well.

Well, MP3Tag has a "Remove tag" feature that only will remove those kinds of tags (ID3v1, ID3v2, APEv2 etc.) that you choose in the options. Then selecting all files and running that command several times on them should also do the trick - if there's no tag to remove it simply won't touch the file...

And if he has all info in APEv2 tags anyway he can then just set MP3Tag to write ID3v2 tags, open the extended tab dialog (Alt-T if I'm not mistaken) for all files and hit OK to re-add an ID3v2 tag to all selected files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-04-22 01:03:10
Well I removed ALL tags from one of the files that don't work, and I put ONLY ID3v2 tags on the file that wasn't playing. I removed the faulty song from my iPod, and moved the newer one onto the iPod, still not playing. Musicmusic, do you want me to send the file to you for testing?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-22 01:38:50
Yes why not (PM me a sample file, use yousendit.com or the like if you don't have anywhere to host it..)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-22 11:37:01
The track you sent me plays back fine on my iPod Classic. Have you double checked it's the only copy of it on your iPod?

If so, it seems a bit odd, I would try a restore in iTunes and maybe a chkdsk. You could also try sending it without artwork as well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-04-22 17:43:44
The track you sent me plays back fine on my iPod Classic. Have you double checked it's the only copy of it on your iPod?

If so, it seems a bit odd, I would try a restore in iTunes and maybe a chkdsk. You could also try sending it without artwork as well.


I restored my iPod in itunes, and moved JUST the track I sent you back on over to my iPod. Now it works fine  . Thanks so much for the help musicmusic .

One quick question about the sync ipod feature and it's intended behaviour:

- I move all my music over to the iPod with the "Send to iPod" option
- I listen to music on my iPod and on foobar back and fourth.
- I add new tracks to foobar, and adjust some ratings / playcounts
- I click the sync iPod button in foobar and it scans the files for changes. I've played maybe 10-20 files which added more to the playcount tags.
- Foobar then moves over my ENTIRE library to the iPod instead of just the files I have changed @_@.

Is this intended?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-22 18:37:42
No, it's only supposed to update the files that have been modified. You can check the last modified dates of the files in Windows Explorer to verify if they have been modified recently or not. You could also try running the sync command twice consecutively which may also reveal potential problems.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2008-04-25 17:56:09

All the album art copied over fine using v0.5.7.0 TEST
Yes, what you saw makes sense. It should be fixed in 0.5.8.8. Possibly, this may affect the coverflow iPod touch/iPhone problem (new albums only). Also made the discussed change so that non-video MP4 files are renamed to M4A.

Question: I use an %added% tag on all of my music by assigning the date (ex. 20080416 for music that was added on April 16th 2008) to files that are added to my library. Would it be possible to use this tag in the remapping of say... Composer?
Yes, but it's not necessarily a good idea.  The iPod does store a date added field in it's database, which you can make a smart playlist from, but currently I am filling it with the date added to the iPod.


Just wondering... Why do you think that this isn't necessarily a good idea? For me, it'd be nice to have both a playlist of everything recently added, and a giant list of music in the order that I acquired it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-26 00:15:03
Nothing beyond the fact it's a composer field designed to store the composer rather than other stuff.

I personally can't see a menu listing loads of dates over years/whatever being actually useful. Better would be grouping them somewhat: Last week, 1-2 weeks ago, 2-4 weeks ago, ...

The iPod classic and Nano 3G actually support playlist folders, so you could potentially have a nice set-up with a folder with a bunch of smart playlists in it for this. However this is not quite possible at the moment:
* foo_dop doesn't support playlist folders at the moment. It's a bit difficult mixing that in with foobar2000's playlist management, but I think I could come up with something.
* foo_dop doesn't support any date added [to foobar2000 media library] field. The problems here are: Where do I get this from? foobar2000 doesn't track it automatically. Do I assume the user has set a metadata field for this? What is the name of the field? What format is it in? I guess I can workaround these problems as well, anyway.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2008-04-26 09:35:34
Nothing beyond the fact it's a composer field designed to store the composer rather than other stuff.

I personally can't see a menu listing loads of dates over years/whatever being actually useful. Better would be grouping them somewhat: Last week, 1-2 weeks ago, 2-4 weeks ago, ...

The iPod classic and Nano 3G actually support playlist folders, so you could potentially have a nice set-up with a folder with a bunch of smart playlists in it for this. However this is not quite possible at the moment:
* foo_dop doesn't support playlist folders at the moment. It's a bit difficult mixing that in with foobar2000's playlist management, but I think I could come up with something.
* foo_dop doesn't support any date added [to foobar2000 media library] field. The problems here are: Where do I get this from? foobar2000 doesn't track it automatically. Do I assume the user has set a metadata field for this? What is the name of the field? What format is it in? I guess I can workaround these problems as well, anyway.


Hm, yes, sounds like an interesting endeavor. Good luck.

I think I will go ahead and use the "added" field with artist in place of composer... It's a tag field I've never really utilized and likely never will.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-04-26 09:59:43
* foo_dop doesn't support any date added [to foobar2000 media library] field. The problems here are: Where do I get this from? foobar2000 doesn't track it automatically.

Personally, I'd be quite happy with the date the file itself was created on, aka the windows file creation date.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2008-04-27 07:12:01
Quick question regarding how long a "load library" should take with a full capacity 160 gb player (actually, I'm only at about 130 something gb used).

Tonight it took almost an hour and a half to load the library.. Foo_Dop hung on "Waiting for File Info Read To Complete" for most of the time.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-27 09:40:20
Maybe your iPod connected in USB 1.1 mode. Mine likes to do that randomly..

Alternatively maybe the hard drive in the 160GB model is slow. I'd say to read the metadata from 130GBs of files would take roughly 20 minutes at the same speed as the 80GB model.

Anyway, the metadata is cached so it won't do that again unless you decide to change the entire contents of your iPod in one go.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2008-04-27 13:37:42
Maybe your iPod connected in USB 1.1 mode. Mine likes to do that randomly..

Alternatively maybe the hard drive in the 160GB model is slow. I'd say to read the metadata from 130GBs of files would take roughly 20 minutes at the same speed as the 80GB model.

Anyway, the metadata is cached so it won't do that again unless you decide to change the entire contents of your iPod in one go.


Hmm.. How do I tell when my Ipod has connected through usb 1.1? (I didn't know this was possible)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2008-04-27 17:31:51
Uh Oh....

Now I'm having a real problem.

Whenever I try to refresh ipod metadata or load library I'm now getting a "cache read was aborted" error.



Edit: Deleted the cache file and the fixed it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-27 18:17:52
Hmm.. How do I tell when my Ipod has connected through usb 1.1? (I didn't know this was possible)
I don't know, I usually get strange messages from Windows or just notice it being so slow.. I think it's more to do with the (dodgy) USB chipset in my laptop, anyway.

You could check the read speed with some application, probably would be more telling, I get about 14MB/s read speed (26.5MB/s burst) on my 80GB classic - it doesn't vary much across the disk. I tried Sandra (physical disks benchmark) and some other random apps (not many seem to actually work..).

Whenever I try to refresh ipod metadata or load library I'm now getting a "cache read was aborted" error.
Slightly misleading error message sorry. It also triggers if there was an error reading the cache, the actual error should have been printed in the console.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-04-28 06:28:25
I have everything working flawlessly with my 80GB Classic now, and I'm loving it . I have a couple requests however:

1. Would it be possible to "Refresh Album Art" so any new album art would be updated on the iPod. My issue right now is that finding better quality art and remaking custom art wont update already sent art on the iPod. Also, I find that if I send songs to the iPod WITHOUT art, and then "Sync iPod" when art has been added to the folder, the new art is NOT sent to the iPod.

2. Will images ever be supported so they can be sent to the iPod with foobar?

3. Is it possible to "Check For Updates" for iPod firmware with foobar, or is that only possible with iTunes?

4. I almost always get an error when trying to eject my iPod. I get "Failed to eject iPod. Close any applications using the device and try again.". I have no apple software running, and the ONLY thing related to the iPod seems to be foobar (which obviously needs to be open to eject). I don't know what's going on with that .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: blackspawn on 2008-04-28 12:14:47
Hello, I don't know if this qualifies as a "bug" (it's more a misleading error message). I was trying to send an album to my ipod from an external hard-drive, but I kept getting an error message saying "File path too long". However the problem was that the drive letter assigned to the external drive wasn't the same I had configured in foobar library preferences. Once I changed it, it worked just fine.

So in short the "File path too long" message should have been something like "File not found" right?

I'm using 0.9.5 (foobar) + 0.5.7 (foo_dop)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-28 13:07:35
Hello, I don't know if this qualifies as a "bug" (it's more a misleading error message). I was trying to send an album to my ipod from an external hard-drive, but I kept getting an error message saying "File path too long". However the problem was that the drive letter assigned to the external drive wasn't the same I had configured in foobar library preferences. Once I changed it, it worked just fine.

So in short the "File path too long" message should have been something like "File not found" right?

No. That error message should only trigger if the file is actually located on the iPod drive. The fact that it got past reading the iPod's database means it has the correct drive letter, as well. foo_dop doesn't care if the files are in your media library, or not.

So, I think the entries in your playlist probably pointed to paths that were on the external drive, but now on the iPod as the drive letter changed. I changed the driver letter of my iPod using disk management to W: and it has stuck since which helps avoid this kind of problem (Windows Vista here).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-04-28 13:18:32
I have everything working flawlessly with my 80GB Classic now, and I'm loving it . I have a couple requests however:

1. Would it be possible to "Refresh Album Art" so any new album art would be updated on the iPod. My issue right now is that finding better quality art and remaking custom art wont update already sent art on the iPod. Also, I find that if I send songs to the iPod WITHOUT art, and then "Sync iPod" when art has been added to the folder, the new art is NOT sent to the iPod.

2. Will images ever be supported so they can be sent to the iPod with foobar?

3. Is it possible to "Check For Updates" for iPod firmware with foobar, or is that only possible with iTunes?

4. I almost always get an error when trying to eject my iPod. I get "Failed to eject iPod. Close any applications using the device and try again.". I have no apple software running, and the ONLY thing related to the iPod seems to be foobar (which obviously needs to be open to eject). I don't know what's going on with that .

1. You can update missing art by using the "Update metadata..." command in the context menu (directly on files on the iPod). You are correct though, you can't update changed art at the moment.
2. I don't plan to do this at the moment.
3. For a variety of reasons you should use iTunes for this.
4. Well, it could be some background application, you should see the same with "Safely remove hardware". I usually do a handle search with Process Explorer to find out what it is.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: blackspawn on 2008-04-28 14:12:43

Hello, I don't know if this qualifies as a "bug" (it's more a misleading error message). I was trying to send an album to my ipod from an external hard-drive, but I kept getting an error message saying "File path too long". However the problem was that the drive letter assigned to the external drive wasn't the same I had configured in foobar library preferences. Once I changed it, it worked just fine.

So in short the "File path too long" message should have been something like "File not found" right?

No. That error message should only trigger if the file is actually located on the iPod drive. The fact that it got past reading the iPod's database means it has the correct drive letter, as well. foo_dop doesn't care if the files are in your media library, or not.

So, I think the entries in your playlist probably pointed to paths that were on the external drive, but now on the iPod as the drive letter changed. I changed the driver letter of my iPod using disk management to W: and it has stuck since which helps avoid this kind of problem (Windows Vista here).


Ah ok, If I understand correctly then since the path on my playlist had the drive letter that used to be associated with my external hard drive but was now my ipod drive letter, it gave the error "filename too long" because it assumed the path was associated with the ipod drive (it didn't even check if it was a valid path).

Thanks for the tip about the drive letter :-) I already did that to avoid this kind of thing (by manually changing the drive letter windows associates it with the specific device).

Great plugin by the way
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2008-04-29 03:34:16
So apparently right clicking one album in your media library and clicking "sync with ipod" actually................. Re-syncs the entire library with the ipod with just those songs....





Damnit.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-04-30 07:58:46
Sorry to bother you with this again Musicmusic, but I was just wondering if the following is ever going to happen:

Musicmusic,

Would it be possible for you to make some variables to get the following information:

%ipod_size% = The size of the iPod (80 GB, 160 GB, etc)
%ipod_space_used% = The amount of GB used up on the iPod (returned in bytes)
%ipod_space_left% = The amount of space left for storage on the iPod (returned in bytes)

The variable codes can be different, those were just examples. I would find this information very useful for something I am making, and if you could implement this, that would be amazing .

Thanks for your hard work on this component .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-02 21:50:59
4. I almost always get an error when trying to eject my iPod. I get "Failed to eject iPod. Close any applications using the device and try again.". I have no apple software running, and the ONLY thing related to the iPod seems to be foobar (which obviously needs to be open to eject). I don't know what's going on with that .
4. Well, it could be some background application, you should see the same with "Safely remove hardware". I usually do a handle search with Process Explorer to find out what it is.
Just to add to that, the blocking application may also be listed in the system event log. Sometimes I have this...: "The application System with process id 4 stopped the removal or ejection for the device USB\VID_05AC&PID_1261 [...]".

Sorry to bother you with this again Musicmusic, but I was just wondering if the following is ever going to happen: [...]
Sorry, no plans.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gren on 2008-05-08 17:50:26
Two things


Often (not all of the time) when I add files to my iPod it lowers the amount of available space but the songs can't be found on the playlist... it seems like they're going into a neverland somewhere on the drive (5g Nano)


Also, any chance of adding an autofill function with the options of 1) delete and refill or 2) fill free space.  That would be great, especially 2 since Winamp can't do that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-08 22:58:08
Often (not all of the time) when I add files to my iPod it lowers the amount of available space but the songs can't be found on the playlist... it seems like they're going into a neverland somewhere on the drive (5g Nano)
They should show up provided the database it updated correctly. If foo_dop failed to do that it would complain. The other possibility is that something else is reverting it, but that shouldn't happen if you don't run other iPod apps at the same time, and also you should set your iPod in manual music management mode in iTunes.

I will likely add some command to recover orphaned files at some point, however you can accomplish the same thing manually if you drag the iPod_Control\Music folder into foobar2000 and run the Send to iPod command on the loaded files.

Also, any chance of adding an autofill function with the options of 1) delete and refill or 2) fill free space.  That would be great, especially 2 since Winamp can't do that.
Unfortunately there are many things that still remain to be done, and I'm not trying to compete with Winamp, so these are on the back burner.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2008-05-09 11:08:23
Ok, hi musicmusic and thank you for your plug-in.
Also I have a question and one bug.

Yesterday somehow all my album artworks in iPod Touch  8gb suddenly dissapeared. The strange thing is, that disappeared only "big versions", that are displayed whey you are playing exact track, and those, displayed in the the horizontal "cover-flow" browsing. But those artworks, that were embedded into the mp3-file with id3v2 tegs are ok - they are still displaying.

Also, all small icons of artworks, displayed in classical vertical album listing all stayed untouched - they are still displaying. The error appeared only with "big versions" and only "soft artworks" (those that where in the album folders, not in the files). And previously I noticed, that such artworks where displayed slightly transparent.

When did it happened? Can't say exactly, but have several variants:

1) when I uploaded video-files to my iPod via iTunes.
2) When Last.fm scrobbler updated itunes plugin. (it still doesn't support Tuch, but now recognizes him).
3) Something else, caused by launching iTunes. However, i don't remember doing anything else there yesterday....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-09 12:09:26
The problem is that iTunes enjoys reloading the artwork when you use it - as I recall this is related to when it does its "determining gapless playback information..". As iTunes only sees the embedded artwork, the tracks without embedded artwork will lose their artwork. It should also leave the tracks with gapless data set by foo_dop alone. I cannot explain however why only some artwork formats are lost, that part of this behaviour is specific to the iPod touch / iPhone.

Regarding transparent artwork, this is known. I was hoping it was fixed in 0.5.8.8 TEST but if not I do not have a solution.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-05-09 14:55:53
On the topic of artwork, I seem to have lost some of mine off my iPod also. I run an 80 GB iPod Classic, and since the newest firmware update (1.1.2) from Apple, I seem to have lost a bit of my artwork. It happened on random albums it seems, and foo_dop still says the artwork is ON the iPod (using the Browse iPod feature).

Would it be possible to have the option of whipping the artwork database, and resending artwork for all songs? I imagine it would be hard to find changes in artwork unless you used some kind of checksum or whatever to determine if the artwork has changed or not.

If this can't be done, I am just gonna erase my iPod (using iTunes) and resend everything with foo_dop again. I don't know what caused the artwork loss (probably the update?) but external artwork capabilities is one of the main reasons I enjoy using foo_dop .

EDIT: If it matters, ALL my artwork is located in a single folder, with the naming scheme being %album%.jpg.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2008-05-09 19:41:58
The problem is that iTunes enjoys reloading the artwork when you use it - as I recall this is related to when it does its "determining gapless playback information..". As iTunes only sees the embedded artwork, the tracks without embedded artwork will lose their artwork. It should also leave the tracks with gapless data set by foo_dop alone. I cannot explain however why only some artwork formats are lost, that part of this behaviour is specific to the iPod touch / iPhone.

Regarding transparent artwork, this is known. I was hoping it was fixed in 0.5.8.8 TEST but if not I do not have a solution.


So if I check "Disable automatic synching for all iPods and iPhones" - would iTunes stop doing that?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-09 22:49:27
On the topic of artwork, I seem to have lost some of mine off my iPod also. I run an 80 GB iPod Classic, and since the newest firmware update (1.1.2) from Apple, I seem to have lost a bit of my artwork. It happened on random albums it seems, and foo_dop still says the artwork is ON the iPod (using the Browse iPod feature).

Would it be possible to have the option of whipping the artwork database, and resending artwork for all songs? I imagine it would be hard to find changes in artwork unless you used some kind of checksum or whatever to determine if the artwork has changed or not.

If this can't be done, I am just gonna erase my iPod (using iTunes) and resend everything with foo_dop again. I don't know what caused the artwork loss (probably the update?) but external artwork capabilities is one of the main reasons I enjoy using foo_dop .
I'm not sure what goes on with your iPod  How many songs are on it? It shouldn't just lose artwork for existing tracks, unless some other app has been interfering. I will make some changes to make artwork management a bit easier at some point, yes, but for now it would probably be easier to just restore.

So if I check "Disable automatic synching for all iPods and iPhones" - would iTunes stop doing that?
No, it will still do it whenever you make a manual change (add files etc.). Your options are:
1. Embed artwork into all of your files, using tags that iTunes likes.
2. Only use files with gapless data (Lame MP3 / Nero AAC) and enable gapless scanning in foo_dop.
3. Keep iTunes in manual mode and avoid using it. It's possible to send videos using foo_dop, but you don't get the thumbnails (but you can manually create them like artwork). You can scrobble you plays to last.fm with foo_dop by using foo_audioscrobbler.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2008-05-09 23:58:43
Your options are:
1. Embed artwork into all of your files, using tags that iTunes likes.
2. Only use files with gapless data (Lame MP3 / Nero AAC) and enable gapless scanning in foo_dop.
3. Keep iTunes in manual mode and avoid using it. It's possible to send videos using foo_dop, but you don't get the thumbnails (but you can manually create them like artwork). You can scrobble you plays to last.fm with foo_dop by using foo_audioscrobbler.


Oh, there is no any problems with scrobbling plays on touch, since it has it's own scrobbler-application (even little bit better, then PC-verison, I should say ))). That plug-in update was done by iTunes without my will and I thought it might be a reason for artwork loss, since it started recognizing the player. The only reason I'm still with iTunes installed are podcasts.
I will take second option and enable gapless scanning, probably.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-10 08:27:31
OK

I will also add an option to set dummy gapless data for tracks which foo_dop doesn't find gapless data, which will prevent iTunes from scanning them which in turn should stop iTunes mangling their artwork.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shakey_snake on 2008-05-10 08:30:28
* foo_dop doesn't support any date added [to foobar2000 media library] field. The problems here are: Where do I get this from? foobar2000 doesn't track it automatically. Do I assume the user has set a metadata field for this? What is the name of the field? What format is it in? I guess I can workaround these problems as well, anyway.
...Although, there is an official component which does, now. Playback Statistics 2.1 was just updated.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-10 12:35:16
I know this.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dologan on 2008-05-10 13:34:33
Hi musicmusic, I've got a bunch of requests/bugs to report:

I've noticed that foo_dop doesn't seem to check whether songs of the same artist/album/name already exist, such that it's perfectly possible to send stuff to the iPod that is already there without any sort of warning. Do you think it would be possible to implement some sort of measure to prevent/be informed of this in a future version?

On another matter, I have been noticing some odd conversion fails when sending tracks to the iPod from a lossless source. It sometimes happens when sending whole albums, that one or two tracks, usually the second and/or third last, fail to convert. Sending the failed tracks independently afterwards seems to work, so it's nothing wrong with the file itself. I am not sure if foo_dop is using multi-threaded conversion like foobar2000 itself does, as it's not obvious from its info box, but if that is the case and given the pattern, I have the hypothesis that it might fail whenever the last file in the set finishes converting before the second or third last do, or something along those lines. You might want to have a look at that.

Finally, I've also noticed that stopping any operation at the "Waiting for file info read to complete" stage renders foo_dop useless for any sort of operation with a "Cache read was aborted" error until one manually deletes the 0 KB metadata_cache.fpl file on the root folder of the iPod drive. Perhaps this is a potential problem you'd like to patch up in the future.

Anyway, again, thanks for maintaining this excellent plugin!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-10 19:01:05
I've noticed that foo_dop doesn't seem to check whether songs of the same artist/album/name already exist, such that it's perfectly possible to send stuff to the iPod that is already there without any sort of warning. Do you think it would be possible to implement some sort of measure to prevent/be informed of this in a future version?
Yes, this is planned.

On another matter, I have been noticing some odd conversion fails when sending tracks to the iPod from a lossless source. It sometimes happens when sending whole albums, that one or two tracks, usually the second and/or third last, fail to convert. Sending the failed tracks independently afterwards seems to work, so it's nothing wrong with the file itself. I am not sure if foo_dop is using multi-threaded conversion like foobar2000 itself does, as it's not obvious from its info box, but if that is the case and given the pattern, I have the hypothesis that it might fail whenever the last file in the set finishes converting before the second or third last do, or something along those lines. You might want to have a look at that.
What version of foo_dop are you using? Only the recent 0.5.8.x versions have multi-threaded conversion. In some rare cases with those versions, it was possible that the conversion would fail, that has been corrected for next build. Can you tell me the exact message you see, so I know if it's the same problem?

Finally, I've also noticed that stopping any operation at the "Waiting for file info read to complete" stage renders foo_dop useless for any sort of operation with a "Cache read was aborted" error until one manually deletes the 0 KB metadata_cache.fpl file on the root folder of the iPod drive. Perhaps this is a potential problem you'd like to patch up in the future.
Ah, you worked out where this came from, thanks, I'll check what's going on.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2008-05-10 20:44:37
Ok, musicmusic, another bug report here... Probably something specific for Touch generation.

When I delete videofiles manually on my iPod, they are still shown in foo_dop, when I connect the player.  After that files reappear on the player. However, you can no longer play them - when I try so the screen goes black for a while and than returns back to the menu. Moreover, those "ghost files" can't be deleted through foo_dop - it shows an error, something like "AFC RemovePath Returned". The only way to make those files disappear completely is to remove them via iTunes...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-10 22:11:50
When I delete videofiles manually on my iPod, they are still shown in foo_dop, when I connect the player.
Ah thanks, I saw some hint of being able to delete files directly on the device a while ago, but it's difficult to know how exactly it is meant to work without the device. However I think you have given me enough info to make it work properly I should be able to fix this for next build.

Moreover, those "ghost files" can't be deleted through foo_dop - it shows an error, something like "AFC RemovePath Returned".
This I believe should have already been corrected in the latest 0.5.8.x version.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dologan on 2008-05-10 23:22:34
[What version of foo_dop are you using? Only the recent 0.5.8.x versions have multi-threaded conversion. In some rare cases with those versions, it was possible that the conversion would fail, that has been corrected for next build. Can you tell me the exact message you see, so I know if it's the same problem?

I'm using version 0.5.8.8. The message I get on the "Result" column is simply "Failed to add file to iPod: Conversion failed -". While it doesn't happen on all conversions, whenever it does happen with a particular set of files, it seems to be quite reproducible, which is why I proposed that hypothesis. It also appears to be more common whenever the amount of files to be sent is relatively large (i.e. 30+ tracks)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-10 23:48:28
Yes that seems like the problem I fixed. Basically, it can trigger when multiple tracks finish transcoding at about the same time. It will cause the tracks that finish converting last to fail. This will be fixed in upcoming 0.5.9. If it is a problem, you can change foo_dop to only convert a single track at a time in preferences which should in general hide the problem.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2008-05-11 14:49:37
When I delete videofiles manually on my iPod, they are still shown in foo_dop, when I connect the player.
Ah thanks, I saw some hint of being able to delete files directly on the device a while ago, but it's difficult to know how exactly it is meant to work without the device. However I think you have given me enough info to make it work properly I should be able to fix this for next build.


ok, so I'll be waiting for the new version release. And if you have any other questions about Touch I'll be glad to answer them.
Thanks again for all. You are doing a great job here!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-12 00:52:05
Well, I have released 0.5.9.0 TEST. See changelog for full details. Again, it's experimental, please report any issues encountered here.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bort on 2008-05-12 06:45:57
Well, I have released 0.5.9.0 TEST. See changelog for full details. Again, it's experimental, please report any issues encountered here.


Foobar crashed when I attempted to create a smart playlist.  I tried several parameters and options with no success.

Code: [Select]
Illegal operation:
Code: C0000005h, flags: 00000000h, address: 00EC408Ch
Access violation, operation: read, address: 00000008h
Call path:
entry=>app_mainloop
Code bytes (00EC408Ch):
00EC404Ch:  C7 84 24 54 01 00 00 01 00 00 01 E8 B4 6B FE FF
00EC405Ch:  8B 54 24 14 A1 5C 77 F4 00 8D 4C 24 78 51 68 D0
00EC406Ch:  2C F0 00 52 68 C9 00 00 00 50 FF 15 18 B3 F2 00
00EC407Ch:  85 C0 0F 84 EB 01 00 00 8B 44 24 28 33 C9 33 D2
00EC408Ch:  83 78 08 01 75 09 8B 40 10 8B 48 08 8B 50 0C 52
00EC409Ch:  51 6A 00 8D 43 10 6A 00 50 8D 4C 24 40 E8 B2 2A
00EC40ACh:  00 00 8B 4B 2C 8D 34 C5 00 00 00 00 89 44 24 1C
00EC40BCh:  8B 44 31 04 C6 40 69 01 8B 53 2C 8B 44 32 04 C6
Stack (0013F724h):
0013F704h:  00000000 0013FB38 0013FB10 00000000
0013F714h:  ACF1BB28 00000001 80535519 ACF1BB60
0013F724h:  050AAEC4 00EF00B3 00070648 0000007B
0013F734h:  7E418BD9 00070648 00000000 00000001
0013F744h:  000000EF 00000000 00000000 00F325BC
0013F754h:  05E8CFD8 00000023 00000023 00000009
0013F764h:  0007063C 00000000 00000070 0000008A
0013F774h:  00000001 00000000 7E41B3A7 7E41C331
0013F784h:  00070648 0000004E 00000410 0013F9A0
0013F794h:  0013F7D0 7E42366B 00765101 03000100
0013F7A4h:  00000002 00000000 00000000 00000000
0013F7B4h:  00000000 00F2D5E8 0702B040 00000001
0013F7C4h:  00000001 00000001 7E423700 0013F7EC
0013F7D4h:  7E4237BC 00000000 0000004E 00000410
0013F7E4h:  0013F9A0 00000000 0013F818 7E418734
0013F7F4h:  00070648 0000004E 00000410 0013F9A0
0013F804h:  7E42379A DCBAABCD 00000000 0013F854
0013F814h:  7E42379A 0013FB20 00070648 0013F858
0013F824h:  7E4188D1 00765178 00000008 7E4188DA
0013F834h:  0013FB20 00070648 050AAF70 0013F834
Registers:
EAX: 00000000, EBX: 070B5008, ECX: 00000000, EDX: 00000000
ESI: 0013F7B8, EDI: 000905E9, EBP: 0013F8E8, ESP: 0013F724
Crash location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h

Loaded modules:
foobar2000                      loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
ntdll                            loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
kernel32                        loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
COMCTL32                        loaded at 773D0000h - 774D3000h
msvcrt                          loaded at 77C10000h - 77C68000h
ADVAPI32                        loaded at 77DD0000h - 77E6B000h
RPCRT4                          loaded at 77E70000h - 77F01000h
GDI32                            loaded at 77F10000h - 77F57000h
USER32                          loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
SHLWAPI                          loaded at 77F60000h - 77FD6000h
SHELL32                          loaded at 7C9C0000h - 7D1D7000h
ole32                            loaded at 774E0000h - 7761D000h
shared                          loaded at 10000000h - 1002A000h
COMDLG32                        loaded at 763B0000h - 763F9000h
IMM32                            loaded at 76390000h - 763AD000h
uxtheme                          loaded at 5AD70000h - 5ADA8000h
raphook                          loaded at 00A60000h - 00AA4000h
PSAPI                            loaded at 76BF0000h - 76BFB000h
SynTPFcs                        loaded at 63000000h - 63013000h
VERSION                          loaded at 77C00000h - 77C08000h
MSCTF                            loaded at 74720000h - 7476B000h
apphelp                          loaded at 77B40000h - 77B62000h
msctfime                        loaded at 755C0000h - 755EE000h
foo_abx                          loaded at 00B10000h - 00B41000h
foo_albumlist                    loaded at 00B70000h - 00BD5000h
foo_audioscrobbler              loaded at 00C00000h - 00C30000h
WS2_32                          loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
WS2HELP                          loaded at 71AA0000h - 71AA8000h
foo_cdda                        loaded at 00C90000h - 00CC8000h
foo_converter                    loaded at 00CF0000h - 00D57000h
foo_custominfo                  loaded at 00D80000h - 00E05000h
foo_cwb_hooks                    loaded at 00E30000h - 00E7C000h
foo_dop                          loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
SETUPAPI                        loaded at 77920000h - 77A13000h
gdiplus                          loaded at 4EC50000h - 4EDF3000h
foo_dsp_delta                    loaded at 00F90000h - 00FAE000h
foo_dsp_std                      loaded at 00FD0000h - 01016000h
foo_facets                      loaded at 01040000h - 010E2000h
OLEAUT32                        loaded at 77120000h - 771AB000h
MSIMG32                          loaded at 76380000h - 76385000h
foo_fileops                      loaded at 01230000h - 01275000h
foo_freedb2                      loaded at 012A0000h - 012E0000h
foo_input_std                    loaded at 01300000h - 01428000h
foo_lyricsdb                    loaded at 01450000h - 0147F000h
WININET                          loaded at 42C10000h - 42CDF000h
Normaliz                        loaded at 01490000h - 01499000h
iertutil                        loaded at 42990000h - 429D5000h
foo_masstag                      loaded at 016C0000h - 01710000h
foo_navigator                    loaded at 01730000h - 01764000h
foo_playback_custom              loaded at 01790000h - 017D5000h
WINSPOOL                        loaded at 73000000h - 73026000h
foo_quicktag                    loaded at 018A0000h - 018DE000h
foo_rgscan                      loaded at 01900000h - 0195A000h
foo_run                          loaded at 01980000h - 019AB000h
foo_scrobblecharts              loaded at 019D0000h - 01A03000h
foo_uie_lyrics_panel            loaded at 01A30000h - 01A94000h
foo_uie_quicksearch              loaded at 01AC0000h - 01B06000h
foo_ui_columns                  loaded at 01B30000h - 01C4A000h
foo_ui_std                      loaded at 01C70000h - 01D43000h
foo_unpack                      loaded at 01D70000h - 01D9D000h
mswsock                          loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
DNSAPI                          loaded at 76F20000h - 76F47000h
mdnsNSP                          loaded at 16080000h - 16099000h
Iphlpapi                        loaded at 76D60000h - 76D79000h
rasadhlp                        loaded at 76FC0000h - 76FC6000h
hnetcfg                          loaded at 662B0000h - 66308000h
wshtcpip                        loaded at 71A90000h - 71A98000h
WINTRUST                        loaded at 76C30000h - 76C5E000h
CRYPT32                          loaded at 77A80000h - 77B14000h
MSASN1                          loaded at 77B20000h - 77B32000h
IMAGEHLP                        loaded at 76C90000h - 76CB8000h
DBGHELP                          loaded at 59A60000h - 59B01000h

Stack dump analysis:
Address: 00EF00B3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 7E418BD9h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetWindowThreadProcessId" (+00000159h)
Address: 00F325BCh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 7E41B3A7h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+0000006Bh)
Address: 7E41C331h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "SetRectEmpty" (+0000004Fh)
Address: 7E42366Bh, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "PrivateExtractIconExW" (+000001D8h)
Address: 00F2D5E8h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 7E423700h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "PrivateExtractIconExW" (+0000026Dh)
Address: 7E4237BCh, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefDlgProcW" (+00000022h)
Address: 7E418734h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetDC" (+0000006Dh)
Address: 7E42379Ah, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefDlgProcW" (+00000000h)
Address: 7E42379Ah, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefDlgProcW" (+00000000h)
Address: 7E4188D1h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongW" (+0000002Bh)
Address: 7E4188DAh, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongW" (+00000034h)
Address: 00F29B91h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 00EC2FD0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 00EC3012h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 01000001h, location: "foo_dsp_std", loaded at 00FD0000h - 01016000h
Address: 00F29B91h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 00EC3012h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 00EF00B3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 00EC2FD0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 7E418734h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetDC" (+0000006Dh)
Address: 00EF00B3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 00EC2FD0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 00EC2FD0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 7E423745h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "PrivateExtractIconExW" (+000002B2h)
Address: 00EC2FD0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 00EF00B3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 7E418734h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetDC" (+0000006Dh)
Address: 7E440457h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DeregisterShellHookWindow" (+000001CFh)
Address: 7E423768h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "PrivateExtractIconExW" (+000002D5h)
Address: 7E423591h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "PrivateExtractIconExW" (+000000FEh)
Address: 00EC2FD0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 00EF00B3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 7E42379Ah, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefDlgProcW" (+00000000h)
Address: 7E4237BCh, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefDlgProcW" (+00000022h)
Address: 00EF00B3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 7E418734h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetDC" (+0000006Dh)
Address: 00EF00B3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 7E42379Ah, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefDlgProcW" (+00000000h)
Address: 7E42379Ah, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefDlgProcW" (+00000000h)
Address: 7E418816h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetDC" (+0000014Fh)
Address: 7E42379Ah, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefDlgProcW" (+00000000h)
Address: 00EF00B3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 7E440457h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DeregisterShellHookWindow" (+000001CFh)
Address: 7E418830h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetDC" (+00000169h)
Address: 7E41B4C0h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+00000184h)
Address: 7E42379Ah, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefDlgProcW" (+00000000h)
Address: 00EF00B3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 7E440457h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DeregisterShellHookWindow" (+000001CFh)
Address: 7E41B4D0h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+00000194h)
Address: 7E41B50Ch, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+000001D0h)
Address: 00EF00B3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 7E42379Ah, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefDlgProcW" (+00000000h)
Address: 7C90EAE3h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "KiUserCallbackDispatcher" (+00000013h)
Address: 00EF00B3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 7E42379Ah, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefDlgProcW" (+00000000h)
Address: 7E41B473h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+00000137h)
Address: 7E4194BEh, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongA" (+00000061h)
Address: 7E41D4E4h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "SetPropW" (+000000BBh)
Address: 00EF00B3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 7E41B903h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "SendMessageW" (+00000049h)
Address: 00EF00B3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 77409F51h, location: "COMCTL32", loaded at 773D0000h - 774D3000h
Symbol: "Ordinal384" (+0001E0B1h)
Address: 00EF00B3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 7740AB5Fh, location: "COMCTL32", loaded at 773D0000h - 774D3000h
Symbol: "Ordinal384" (+0001ECBFh)
Address: 7740A549h, location: "COMCTL32", loaded at 773D0000h - 774D3000h
Symbol: "Ordinal384" (+0001E6A9h)
Address: 7C90EAE3h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "KiUserCallbackDispatcher" (+00000013h)
Address: 74730DE9h, location: "MSCTF", loaded at 74720000h - 7476B000h
Symbol: "TF_UninitSystem" (+00000980h)
Address: 7E41F819h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "EnableMenuItem" (+00000092h)
Address: 7E418734h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetDC" (+0000006Dh)
Address: 7740A549h, location: "COMCTL32", loaded at 773D0000h - 774D3000h
Symbol: "Ordinal384" (+0001E6A9h)
Address: 7740A549h, location: "COMCTL32", loaded at 773D0000h - 774D3000h
Symbol: "Ordinal384" (+0001E6A9h)
Address: 7E418816h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetDC" (+0000014Fh)
Address: 7740A549h, location: "COMCTL32", loaded at 773D0000h - 774D3000h
Symbol: "Ordinal384" (+0001E6A9h)
Address: 7E440457h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DeregisterShellHookWindow" (+000001CFh)
Address: 7E418830h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetDC" (+00000169h)
Address: 7E4189CDh, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongW" (+00000127h)
Address: 7740A549h, location: "COMCTL32", loaded at 773D0000h - 774D3000h
Symbol: "Ordinal384" (+0001E6A9h)
Address: 7E41F94Bh, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "CallNextHookEx" (+000000F0h)
Address: 7E431B3Ch, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "AppendMenuA" (+0000006Eh)
Address: 7E440457h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DeregisterShellHookWindow" (+000001CFh)
Address: 7E4189F0h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongW" (+0000014Ah)
Address: 7E418A10h, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DispatchMessageW" (+0000000Fh)
Address: 7E42D99Dh, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "IsDialogMessageW" (+000000DBh)
Address: 0042BC03h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 7E41DAEAh, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A0000h
Symbol: "DestroyWindow" (+00000000h)
Address: 004B03F2h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0042BC79h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 10002638h, location: "shared", loaded at 10000000h - 1002A000h
Symbol: "uPrintCrashInfo_SetDumpPath" (+000000C8h)
Address: 0041DAEAh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0042C718h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004CC79Ch, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004C9054h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004C9054h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00400000h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004D54B0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 7C90EE18h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+00000117h)
Address: 7C9106F0h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlAllocateHeap" (+0000011Ch)
Address: 7C9106EBh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlAllocateHeap" (+00000117h)
Address: 004A3563h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0049DC00h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004A3563h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004A19B8h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 10002638h, location: "shared", loaded at 10000000h - 1002A000h
Symbol: "uPrintCrashInfo_SetDumpPath" (+000000C8h)
Address: 004CC370h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004B7973h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004CC370h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0042C957h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00400000h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0049BDC1h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0049BDBBh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004BEA30h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004BCA00h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0049DC00h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0049BDBBh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0049BDCFh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004BCA00h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004B7D76h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0049D7DAh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00400000h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00EDCF78h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 0049DC00h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 7C816FD7h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "RegisterWaitForInputIdle" (+00000049h)
Address: 00EDCF78h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00EA0000h - 00F5A000h
Address: 7C839AA8h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "ValidateLocale" (+000002B0h)
Address: 7C816FE0h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F5000h
Symbol: "RegisterWaitForInputIdle" (+00000052h)
Address: 0049D845h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004E0049h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004B0063h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00500069h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00500069h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00410072h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004E0049h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00500069h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 004D002Eh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00500069h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 0044002Eh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h

Version info:
foobar2000 v0.9.5.2
UNICODE
Windows 5.1


Additional info:
Facets 2007-11-20  (foo_facets)
Playback Statistics Custom 1.4.3  (foo_playback_custom)
Columns UI 0.3 beta 2 preview 4  (foo_ui_columns)
Quick Tagger 1.0  (foo_quicktag)
foo_custominfo 0.1.2  (foo_custominfo)
Lyrics panel 0.35  (foo_uie_lyrics_panel)
Standard DSP Array 1.0  (foo_dsp_std)
Default User Interface 0.9.5  (foo_ui_std)
freedb Tagger 0.6  (foo_freedb2)
Quick Search Toolbar 2.8l  (foo_uie_quicksearch)
RAR reader 1.1  (foo_unpack)
Album List 4.2  (foo_albumlist)
Converter 1.1.1  (foo_converter)
iPod manager 0.5.9.0 TEST  (foo_dop)
cwbowron's title format hooks 1.2.6 [Jan  2 2008 - 15:50:05]  (foo_cwb_hooks)
Standard Input Array 1.0  (foo_input_std)
ZIP/GZIP reader 1.0  (foo_unpack)
foo_lyricsdb 0.0.7 beta 5  (foo_lyricsdb)
Masstagger 1.6  (foo_masstag)
foobar2000 core 0.9.5.2  (Core)
CD Audio Decoder 2.1.2  (foo_cdda)
File Operations 2.1  (foo_fileops)
LPCM <--> delta-PCM converter 0.1.1  (foo_dsp_delta)
Last.fm Chart Player 0.2.3  (foo_scrobblecharts)
ABX Comparator 1.3.3  (foo_abx)
Audioscrobbler 1.3.16  (foo_audioscrobbler)
Run services 0.3.2  (foo_run)
Tagger Panel Window 1.0.6 [Jan  2 2008 - 15:50:49]  (foo_cwb_hooks)
Navigator 0.63  (foo_navigator)
ReplayGain Scanner 2.0.5  (foo_rgscan)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-12 08:22:18
Thank you for the report, I fixed the crash for the next build. But did you right click on empty space (this crash doesn't seem to trigger here on Vista)? You will need to right click on something in the tree.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-05-12 08:30:25
Thanks for the update musicmusic . No crashes so far, and everything is running smoothly .

One thing I noticed is when you browse the ipod, you can't sort by clicking the column headers. Is that intended?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sizetwo on 2008-05-12 09:11:05
I have tried searching, but I cant find it. I have most of my music collection as FLAC files, could someone please give me an example commandline for transcoding to MP3 during copy ? In advance, thanks. Also thanks for a great working plugin for my 3G 4GB Nano.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2008-05-12 20:13:45
Ok, so I've tested previously mentioned bug with "not deleted" tracks. They are still shown on the list, when you connect the player and the plugin still shows the message "File not found". However, after that, they just disappear from the list.
Dunno if that's what you intended to do or not, but suits me - that's all I need.
Unfortunately I didn't have time to test another fix with touch gen yet, because I don't really need that "sync" feature, but if there is anything I'll tell you.
In other respects, this nice update, no any other bugs of crashes spotted by now.

And here I have small request. You've just added "podcast" playlist in the browser. So I thought it would be nice if there was same one for the videos. Without any additional features, just to track things and make file management a bit easier.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-12 21:31:14
One thing I noticed is when you browse the ipod, you can't sort by clicking the column headers. Is that intended?
Yes, as long as they are not clickable that is intended.

I have tried searching, but I cant find it. I have most of my music collection as FLAC files, could someone please give me an example commandline for transcoding to MP3 during copy ? In advance, thanks. Also thanks for a great working plugin for my 3G 4GB Nano.
I just made this using the converter component:
Code: [Select]
lame.exe -S --noreplaygain -V 5 --vbr-new - %d
Adjust VBR profile to your desire. You could also use the Nero AAC encoder, not sure what the speed difference is though.

Ok, so I've tested previously mentioned bug with "not deleted" tracks. They are still shown on the list, when you connect the player and the plugin still shows the message "File not found". However, after that, they just disappear from the list.
Dunno if that's what you intended to do or not, but suits me - that's all I need.
I intended it to:
1. Not show the tracks when you do a 'Load library' etc.
2. Update the actual database to reflect this when you do something to modify it (this isn't something you would notice due to 1.).

It doesn't sound like this is the case. Can you tell me if there are any messages in the foobar2000 console when you do a load library after removing some tracks directly on the device?

You've just added "podcast" playlist in the browser.
I didn't add this, it's probably made by iTunes (doesn't act like a normal playlist I believe).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2008-05-14 00:06:18
Crash when Refreshing Ipod Metadata using 0.5.9.0 TEST

Here's the failure log

failure_00000043.txt

Code: [Select]
Illegal operation:
Code: C0000005h, flags: 00000000h, address: 00FA67CEh
Access violation, operation: read, address: 00000008h
Call path not available.
Code bytes (00FA67CEh):
00FA678Eh:  5F 5E 5D 83 C4 10 C2 04 00 CC CC CC CC CC CC CC
00FA679Eh:  CC CC 8B 44 24 04 3B 41 08 73 10 8B 49 04 33 D2
00FA67AEh:  38 14 08 0F 95 C2 8A C2 C2 04 00 8A 41 0C C2 04
00FA67BEh:  00 CC 8B 44 24 08 8B 4C 24 04 8B 40 04 8B 49 04
00FA67CEh:  8B 51 08 83 C0 08 83 C1 08 8B 49 04 56 8B 30 8B
00FA67DEh:  40 04 3B C8 77 15 72 04 3B D6 73 05 83 C8 FF 5E
00FA67EEh:  C3 3B C8 72 0D 77 04 3B D6 76 07 B8 01 00 00 00
00FA67FEh:  5E C3 33 C0 5E C3 CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC
Stack (0DD2FB28h):
0DD2FB08h:  0013F9F4 77D501F7 00000001 0013F9CC
0DD2FB18h:  0013F9E0 86C00000 00000000 00000018
0DD2FB28h:  00F9C628 16614030 16614028 00000004
0DD2FB38h:  00000002 00FD878D 00000005 00000004
0DD2FB48h:  0DD2FBAC 00000006 0DD2FB84 00000000
0DD2FB58h:  00000004 00FD87F6 0DD2FBAC 00000000
0DD2FB68h:  00000006 00000006 1331A0A0 00000000
0DD2FB78h:  00000006 00000006 00FE3EF9 0DD2FC44
0DD2FB88h:  00FA226C 0DD2FBAC 00000000 00000006
0DD2FB98h:  4F707994 00000001 00000000 0DD2FC84
0DD2FBA8h:  1331A088 00FFE8A8 1331A0A0 0DD2FBBC
0DD2FBB8h:  00FA67C0 1791A068 00000006 00000006
0DD2FBC8h:  0DD2FC78 00FF2B30 00000000 00F9D708
0DD2FBD8h:  1331A088 0DD2FC44 4F707E8C 0DD2FD58
0DD2FBE8h:  0104DDF0 1331A088 0000001C 010025BC
0DD2FBF8h:  1791A0D0 00000018 00000018 00000016
0DD2FC08h:  00000000 00000000 010025BC 7C90D664
0DD2FC18h:  7C80A6EA 00000000 00000000 0DD2FC60
0DD2FC28h:  7C80A70E 00000000 0DD2FD58 0DD2FD60
0DD2FC38h:  1331A008 AB9A40FC 01C8B54D 00000000
Registers:
EAX: 16606E70, EBX: 0DD2FBAC, ECX: 00000000, EDX: 16614008
ESI: 16614028, EDI: 00000005, EBP: 00000005, ESP: 0DD2FB28
Crash location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h

Loaded modules:
foobar2000                       loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
ntdll                            loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
kernel32                         loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F4000h
COMCTL32                         loaded at 773D0000h - 774D3000h
msvcrt                           loaded at 77C10000h - 77C68000h
ADVAPI32                         loaded at 77DD0000h - 77E6B000h
RPCRT4                           loaded at 77E70000h - 77F01000h
GDI32                            loaded at 77F10000h - 77F57000h
USER32                           loaded at 77D40000h - 77DD0000h
SHLWAPI                          loaded at 77F60000h - 77FD6000h
SHELL32                          loaded at 7C9C0000h - 7D1D5000h
ole32                            loaded at 774E0000h - 7761D000h
shared                           loaded at 10000000h - 1002A000h
COMDLG32                         loaded at 763B0000h - 763F9000h
uxtheme                          loaded at 5AD70000h - 5ADA8000h
foo_abx                          loaded at 003C0000h - 003F1000h
foo_albumlist                    loaded at 00A80000h - 00AE5000h
foo_audioscrobbler               loaded at 00B10000h - 00B40000h
WS2_32                           loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
WS2HELP                          loaded at 71AA0000h - 71AA8000h
foo_autoplaylist                 loaded at 00B60000h - 00B92000h
foo_cdda                         loaded at 00BC0000h - 00BF8000h
foo_converter                    loaded at 00C20000h - 00C87000h
foo_cwbowron                     loaded at 00CB0000h - 00CC2000h
gdiplus                          loaded at 4EC50000h - 4EDF3000h
MSVCR80                          loaded at 78130000h - 781CB000h
foo_cwb_hooks                    loaded at 00D00000h - 00D2E000h
foo_dbsearch                     loaded at 00D50000h - 00DAC000h
foo_discogs                      loaded at 00DD0000h - 00E71000h
WINMM                            loaded at 76B40000h - 76B6D000h
foo_dockable_panels              loaded at 00F10000h - 00F43000h
foo_dop                          loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
SETUPAPI                         loaded at 77920000h - 77A13000h
foo_dsp_continuator              loaded at 01050000h - 01068000h
MSVCP80                          loaded at 7C420000h - 7C4A7000h
foo_dsp_std                      loaded at 01080000h - 010C6000h
foo_facets                       loaded at 010F0000h - 01171000h
OLEAUT32                         loaded at 77120000h - 771AC000h
MSIMG32                          loaded at 76380000h - 76385000h
foo_fileops                      loaded at 011A0000h - 011E5000h
foo_freedb2                      loaded at 01210000h - 01250000h
foo_infobox                      loaded at 01270000h - 012AE000h
foo_input_shorten                loaded at 012D0000h - 012FE000h
foo_input_std                    loaded at 01320000h - 01448000h
foo_lnk                          loaded at 01470000h - 01489000h
foo_masstag                      loaded at 014B0000h - 01500000h
foo_navigator                    loaded at 01520000h - 01551000h
foo_playcount                    loaded at 01580000h - 015A5000h
foo_playlist_manager             loaded at 015D0000h - 01616000h
foo_pqview                       loaded at 01640000h - 0165C000h
foo_prettypop                    loaded at 01680000h - 016CD000h
mscoree                          loaded at 79000000h - 79046000h
msvcm80                          loaded at 7C4C0000h - 7C53D000h
mscorwks                         loaded at 79E70000h - 7A3FF000h
mscorlib.ni                      loaded at 790C0000h - 79BF6000h
mscorjit                         loaded at 79060000h - 790B6000h
rsaenh                           loaded at 0FFD0000h - 0FFF8000h
foo_random                       loaded at 03C10000h - 03C4F000h
foo_rgscan                       loaded at 03C50000h - 03CAA000h
foo_scheduler                    loaded at 03CC0000h - 03D1C000h
POWRPROF                         loaded at 74AD0000h - 74AD8000h
foo_scrobblecharts               loaded at 03D40000h - 03D73000h
WININET                          loaded at 771B0000h - 77256000h
CRYPT32                          loaded at 77A80000h - 77B14000h
MSASN1                           loaded at 77B20000h - 77B32000h
foo_sic                          loaded at 03DA0000h - 03DF9000h
foo_tradersfriend                loaded at 03F50000h - 03F8D000h
foo_uie_albumart                 loaded at 03F90000h - 03FCD000h
foo_uie_explorer                 loaded at 03FF0000h - 0402C000h
foo_uie_single_column_playlist   loaded at 04050000h - 0409C000h
foo_uie_tabs                     loaded at 040B0000h - 040DA000h
foo_uie_trackinfo                loaded at 04100000h - 0412E000h
foo_uie_trackinfo2               loaded at 04150000h - 0417E000h
foo_uie_trackinfo_mod            loaded at 041A0000h - 041EE000h
foo_ui_columns                   loaded at 04200000h - 0429B000h
foo_ui_std                       loaded at 042C0000h - 04394000h
foo_unpack                       loaded at 043C0000h - 043ED000h
foo_utils                        loaded at 04410000h - 04449000h
foo_vis_projectM                 loaded at 04470000h - 044E1000h
OPENGL32                         loaded at 5ED00000h - 5EDCC000h
GLU32                            loaded at 68B20000h - 68B40000h
DDRAW                            loaded at 73760000h - 737A9000h
DCIMAN32                         loaded at 73BC0000h - 73BC6000h
foo_vis_shpeck-beta              loaded at 04F10000h - 04F3E000h
MSVCR90                          loaded at 78520000h - 785C3000h
System.ni                        loaded at 7A440000h - 7AC2A000h
System.Drawing.ni                loaded at 7ADE0000h - 7AF7C000h
System.Windows.Forms.ni          loaded at 7AFD0000h - 7BC6C000h
CLBCATQ                          loaded at 76FD0000h - 7704F000h
COMRes                           loaded at 77050000h - 77115000h
VERSION                          loaded at 77C00000h - 77C08000h
mswsock                          loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
DNSAPI                           loaded at 76F20000h - 76F47000h
mdnsNSP                          loaded at 16080000h - 16099000h
Iphlpapi                         loaded at 76D60000h - 76D79000h
WINTRUST                         loaded at 76C30000h - 76C5E000h
IMAGEHLP                         loaded at 76C90000h - 76CB8000h
DSOUND                           loaded at 73F10000h - 73F6C000h
rasadhlp                         loaded at 76FC0000h - 76FC6000h
hnetcfg                          loaded at 662B0000h - 66308000h
wshtcpip                         loaded at 71A90000h - 71A98000h
wdmaud                           loaded at 72D20000h - 72D29000h
msacm32                          loaded at 72D10000h - 72D18000h
MSACM32                          loaded at 77BE0000h - 77BF5000h
midimap                          loaded at 77BD0000h - 77BD7000h
KsUser                           loaded at 73EE0000h - 73EE4000h
DBGHELP                          loaded at 59A60000h - 59B01000h

Stack dump analysis:
Address: 00F9C628h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 00FD878Dh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 00FD87F6h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 00FE3EF9h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 00FA226Ch, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 00FFE8A8h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 00FA67C0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 00FF2B30h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 00F9D708h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 010025BCh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 010025BCh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 7C90D664h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "ZwCreateEvent" (+0000000Ch)
Address: 7C80A6EAh, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F4000h
Symbol: "CreateEventW" (+00000041h)
Address: 7C80A70Eh, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F4000h
Symbol: "CreateEventW" (+00000065h)
Address: 010025BCh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 00FF6435h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 00F9D5DFh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 00FF4FABh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 00FC7859h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 77D70467h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77D40000h - 77DD0000h
Symbol: "DeregisterShellHookWindow" (+000001CFh)
Address: 7C90EE18h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+00000117h)
Address: 7C918E00h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlUnicodeStringToInteger" (+0000019Fh)
Address: 7C918DFAh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "RtlUnicodeStringToInteger" (+00000199h)
Address: 7C90D625h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "ZwContinue" (+0000000Ch)
Address: 7C90EACFh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B0000h
Symbol: "KiUserApcDispatcher" (+0000000Fh)
Address: 00FFD1DCh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 0050049Ch, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00522000h
Address: 00FF98B6h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 77D70467h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77D40000h - 77DD0000h
Symbol: "DeregisterShellHookWindow" (+000001CFh)
Address: 77D49A18h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77D40000h - 77DD0000h
Symbol: "IsChild" (+0000030Ah)
Address: 77D49A12h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77D40000h - 77DD0000h
Symbol: "IsChild" (+00000304h)
Address: 77D4A31Ah, location: "USER32", loaded at 77D40000h - 77DD0000h
Symbol: "ClientThreadSetup" (+00000310h)
Address: 00FBC750h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 7C810659h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F4000h
Symbol: "CreateThread" (+00000022h)
Address: 00F97D5Bh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 77D70467h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77D40000h - 77DD0000h
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Address: 77D49A18h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77D40000h - 77DD0000h
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Address: 00FBC75Ah, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 7C80B683h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F4000h
Symbol: "GetModuleFileNameA" (+000001B4h)
Address: 77D70467h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77D40000h - 77DD0000h
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Address: 77D49A18h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77D40000h - 77DD0000h
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Address: 7C839AA8h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F4000h
Symbol: "ValidateLocale" (+000002B0h)
Address: 7C80B690h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F4000h
Symbol: "GetModuleFileNameA" (+000001C1h)
Address: 00FBC750h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 00F70000h - 0102A000h
Address: 00C80008h, location: "foo_converter", loaded at 00C20000h - 00C87000h

Version info:
foobar2000 v0.9.5.2 beta 2
UNICODE
Windows 5.1


Additional info:
Tabbed panel modified 0.2.5  (foo_uie_tabs)
Masstagger 1.6  (foo_masstag)
Track info panel 0.8  (foo_uie_trackinfo)
Audioscrobbler 1.3.15  (foo_audioscrobbler)
Album Art Browser 0.0.3 [Jul 11 2007 - 11:15:14]  (foo_cwbowron)
Playlist Manager 1.0  (foo_playlist_manager)
Scheduler 3.01  (foo_scheduler)
Pretty Popup 1.2.3  (foo_prettypop)
Track info panel 0.8  (foo_uie_trackinfo2)
iPod manager 0.5.9.0 TEST  (foo_dop)
Explorer Tree 1.04.6b  (foo_uie_explorer)
projectM visualization 1.97.6.2  (foo_vis_projectM)
Navigator 0.6  (foo_navigator)
Standard DSP Array 1.0  (foo_dsp_std)
Shorten decoder 0.4.2a  (foo_input_shorten)
Database search 1.3.1 beta 11  (foo_dbsearch)
cwbowron's title format hooks 1.0.13 [Oct  2 2006 - 09:06:52]  (foo_cwb_hooks)
ReplayGain Scanner 2.0.5  (foo_rgscan)
foobar2000 core 0.9.5.2 beta 2  (Core)
Album List 4.2  (foo_albumlist)
CD Audio Decoder 2.1.2  (foo_cdda)
RAR reader 1.1  (foo_unpack)
Single Column Playlist Display 0.5.4 beta [Jan  9 2007 - 15:42:59]  (foo_uie_single_column_playlist)
Default User Interface 0.9.5  (foo_ui_std)
foosic music database 1.0 beta 12  (foo_sic)
Dockable Panels 1.0.7b [Mar 28 2007 - 09:18:48]  (foo_dockable_panels)
Playback Statistics 2.0  (foo_playcount)
Album Art Panel 0.2.7.1  (foo_uie_albumart)
freedb Tagger 0.6  (foo_freedb2)
Track info panel mod 0.6 beta [Oct 12 2006 - 10:42:55]  (foo_uie_trackinfo_mod)
Randomized playlist entry 1.2.3  (foo_random)
Playlist tools 0.5.6  (foo_utils)
ZIP/GZIP reader 1.0  (foo_unpack)
Standard Input Array 1.0  (foo_input_std)
Converter 1.1.1  (foo_converter)
Columns UI 0.1.3 beta 1v5  (foo_ui_columns)
Special file info box v2.0.0  (foo_infobox)
Live show tagger 0.6.1  (foo_tradersfriend)
Continuator 0.6.1  (foo_dsp_continuator)
Shpeck - Winamp vis plugins wrapper 0.2.4 beta 2  (foo_vis_shpeck-beta)
Shell link resolver 1.1  (foo_lnk)
Discogs Tagger 1.12  (foo_discogs)
File Operations 2.1  (foo_fileops)
Last.fm Chart Player 0.2.3  (foo_scrobblecharts)
ABX Comparator 1.3.3  (foo_abx)
Facets 2008-02-25  (foo_facets)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dologan on 2008-05-14 00:18:02
Wow, smart playlist support is a great addition, musicmusic! Thanks a lot!

Perhaps you are aware of this, due to the feature being in early stages, but I've noticed there are a few selection criteria which do not appear to be working correctly for me: For artist, album, genre, etc. "contains" and "do not contain" appear to be reversed. For date related stuff (date added, played, etc.), "in the last" or "not in the last" criteria seem to be selecting either all or no tracks at all, respectively.

You've mentioned you have fixed this for the next version, but I'd also like to report the crashes when adding a new playlist by right clicking on empty space, even though I'm running Vista x64.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-14 00:53:18
Thanks for the reports. I just uploaded 0.5.9.1 which should rectify those crashes and issues with smart playlist generation.

Wow, smart playlist support is a great addition, musicmusic! Thanks a lot!
Actually, it was there before. But it's somewhat improved now. If you notice any more problems please let me know, it's a complex beast.. The only thing I am aware of is that you can't specify rules based on the playlist field in a useful way.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dologan on 2008-05-14 01:09:19
Thanks for the reports. I just uploaded 0.5.9.1 which should rectify those crashes and issues with smart playlist generation.

Wonderful! This has to be like the fastest bugfix ever! 

You are the man, musicmusic! 


Quote
Actually, it was there before. But it's somewhat improved now. If you notice any more problems please let me know, it's a complex beast.. The only thing I am aware of is that you can't specify rules based on the playlist field in a useful way.

Well, it was new for me! 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2008-05-14 01:19:29

Thanks for the reports. I just uploaded 0.5.9.1 which should rectify those crashes and issues with smart playlist generation.

Wonderful! This has to be like the fastest bugfix ever! 

You are the man, musicmusic! 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: wtstommy on 2008-05-14 04:02:28
One problem I have encountered with foo_dop. The "Sync with ipod" function works fine provided I do not make any modifications using iTunes. But anytime iTunes adds a file, or in any way "touches" the database, the Sync with Ipod function in foo_dop has trouble matching songs. It seems to remove any song not in iTunes, then adds them back (i.e. all my FLAC files are re-converted).

I would just switch entirely over to Foobar with foo_dop, and not use iTunes at all, but I do like my podcasts. Whenever I add a podcast to the iPod, the problem described above occurs.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dologan on 2008-05-14 09:15:25
Wonderful! This has to be like the fastest bugfix ever! 

You are the man, musicmusic! 

It may have been a bit too fast, though

"Contains" and "not contains" are working properly now, but while all date-related criteria that I tried appear to be working, since Foobar2000 includes the appropriate tracks on the playlist, for some reason the same playlists do not seem to work on the iPod itself correctly:
In the case of the "in the last" criterion (for date added, at least), the playlist on the iPod turns out blank. Using "less than" and the appropriate date as a workaround, while working on Foobar2000, in turn apparently returns the inverse set on the iPod than on foobar2000. The only workaround that worked as intended in this particular scenario was to add the specific dates of the last days in "any" mode.
The strangest by far is when adding a number limited, random set of tracks last played "not in the last" x days/weeks. Again, it seems to work, but on the iPod itself, the track listing is a *completely* different one than the one shown on foobar!

Anyway, that's all I have tried and found for now. Hope you'll be able to fix it soon. I'll probably find a few bugs later on  But don't worry, you are still the man!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-14 09:56:36
One problem I have encountered with foo_dop. The "Sync with ipod" function works fine provided I do not make any modifications using iTunes. But anytime iTunes adds a file, or in any way "touches" the database, the Sync with Ipod function in foo_dop has trouble matching songs. It seems to remove any song not in iTunes, then adds them back (i.e. all my FLAC files are re-converted).
I can understand what might be happening, but the non-transcoded tracks should be OK. The problem is that each track in the iPod database has a so-called "persistent id" which is used in part to track the transcodes. I'm not sure why iTunes would change those IDs though, strange. Do you have many tracks in the iTunes library? Maybe there was a conflict, or something.

"Contains" and "not contains" are working properly now, but while all date-related criteria that I tried appear to be working, since Foobar2000 includes the appropriate tracks on the playlist, for some reason the same playlists do not seem to work on the iPod itself correctly:
In the case of the "in the last" criterion (for date added, at least), the playlist on the iPod turns out blank. Using "less than" and the appropriate date as a workaround, while working on Foobar2000, in turn apparently returns the inverse set on the iPod than on foobar2000.
Eugh, OK  Progress is progress anyway  I'll check these, thanks.

The strangest by far is when adding a number limited, random set of tracks last played "not in the last" x days/weeks. Again, it seems to work, but on the iPod itself, the track listing is a *completely* different one than the one shown on foobar!
If you use live updating, the iPod will regenerate the smart playlists on the fly, so you would get a different set of random tracks. I don't think there is a way around this, but I'll verify with iTunes. But, that "not in the last" probably isn't working correctly anyway.

But don't worry, you are still the man!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-14 11:46:47
OK, I made some corrections, hopefully it should be OK now in 0.5.9.2  If you have any of the "in the last" rules already you will need to edit or recreate them.

The thing about the limited and random playlist doesn't happened with iTunes, so I need to investigate that a bit more.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PlazzTT on 2008-05-14 12:15:28
Wow this is a really great update! Smart playlist is very very handy, I've got a smart playlist for stuff I've added in the last 2 weeks. (I've a habit of putting on new stuff and forgetting about it!  ) "in the last" seems to be working correctly.

I just have one question and a request:

What triggers an update of my smart playlists on the iPod? Is Load Library, Eject enough? Or do I have to Re-write iPod database (like for triggering audioscrobbler update)?

And can it be possible to rename smart playlists after you make them? It seems you can't change the name after entering it when creating one?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2008-05-14 17:12:05
It doesn't sound like this is the case. Can you tell me if there are any messages in the foobar2000 console when you do a load library after removing some tracks directly on the device?


Ok, I checked this one. It's clear - there is nothing. No any messages, when I reload library after manual removal, nor when I delete the "ghost" file on the list.

Perhaps, Touch does this in some different way. 'cause actually, videos are the only files, that can be removed directly from the iPod here.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-14 18:05:40
What triggers an update of my smart playlists on the iPod? Is Load Library, Eject enough? Or do I have to Re-write iPod database (like for triggering audioscrobbler update)?
If you use live updating, the iPod will update them on-the-fly. As for the component, it updates them on the device when you run actions that modify the device (that includes rewrite database but not load library).

And can it be possible to rename smart playlists after you make them? It seems you can't change the name after entering it when creating one?
Yes, things are still a bit bare-bones... use iTunes as necessary.

Ok, I checked this one. It's clear - there is nothing. No any messages, when I reload library after manual removal, nor when I delete the "ghost" file on the list.
Ah that's a good sign actually. I uploaded a new version 0.5.9.3, there's more chance it will work as intended now
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-05-15 15:55:23
I've noticed that foo_dop doesn't seem to check whether songs of the same artist/album/name already exist, such that it's perfectly possible to send stuff to the iPod that is already there without any sort of warning. Do you think it would be possible to implement some sort of measure to prevent/be informed of this in a future version?
Yes, this is planned.
I'm looking forward to this feature, because I keep adding duplicate songs accidentally. Maybe it could check all the songs before they are sent, and then present a list of potential duplicates with check boxes to skip those songs.

Actually, I have another idea but I dont know if its feasible. Maybe you could make a titleformatting variable that would tell you if the track is on the currently connected ipod. Not sure if this can actually be done, as it would need to check for songs on the fly, but it would be really helpful.


Now if only you could fix the transparent artwork bug. Btw, whenever I rewrite the DB with another program, it fixes the artwork, so its definitely a database problem and not something with the image files themselves.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-15 17:49:38
I'm looking forward to this feature, because I keep adding duplicate songs accidentally.
It will come..

Actually, I have another idea but I dont know if its feasible. Maybe you could make a titleformatting variable that would tell you if the track is on the currently connected ipod. Not sure if this can actually be done, as it would need to check for songs on the fly, but it would be really helpful.
I think there would just be too many issues involved in implementing this.

Now if only you could fix the transparent artwork bug. Btw, whenever I rewrite the DB with another program, it fixes the artwork, so its definitely a database problem and not something with the image files themselves.
Can you confirm that it's still broken for a single track in latest build? I fixed the inconsistencies that seemed relevant before, the only other difference was that I was writing an extra image format that iTunes wasn't, but something rewriting the database wouldn't generally remove that anyway.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-05-15 19:03:36
I'm using 0.5.9.3 and it's still ghosting the art. I have a feeling its caused by something really trivial and you'll be kicking yourself when you find it
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2008-05-15 20:37:05
Hi, musicmusic. Just writing about Touch case. Now, with new plugin release everything works just perfect! No any bugs, crashes, ghost files or anything. Files just disappear as they should.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: wtstommy on 2008-05-15 21:21:40
I'm not sure if the most recent version was supposed to fix my problem (foo_dop no longer recognizes tracks it has previously transcoded with "Sync to ipod"), but it is still broken for me. After adding podcasts with itunes, all  files not recognized by iTunes are re-transcoded on sync-to-ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-15 22:35:45
I'm using 0.5.9.3 and it's still ghosting the art. I have a feeling its caused by something really trivial and you'll be kicking yourself when you find it
Oh, it's definitely something simple  Those are often the hardest to find... I'll go over everything again.

Hi, musicmusic. Just writing about Touch case. Now, with new plugin release everything works just perfect! No any bugs, crashes, ghost files or anything. Files just disappear as they should.
Nice

I'm not sure if the most recent version was supposed to fix my problem (foo_dop no longer recognizes tracks it has previously transcoded with "Sync to ipod"), but it is still broken for me. After adding podcasts with itunes, all  files not recognized by iTunes are re-transcoded on sync-to-ipod.
Well, I didn't say it was fixed, I asked you a question. Is your iTunes library full of songs or not? Can you provide a backup of iTunesDB + dopdb from the iPod:
1) first directly after transcoding
2) then directly after iTunes decides to mangle/whatever the database.

I'll check if this happens for me, but I didn't get a chance yet. It may be something simple like the database version in the database needing a bump.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-19 01:39:39
0.5.9.4 experimental released:
-I changed the "Send to iPod" command to check if files already exist on the iPod (looks for exact matches)
-I changed the existing file matching method of "Send playlists to iPod" from the previous 'fuzzy' method to the exact match method
-Corrected some issues with smart playlist generation with multiple rules
-Fixed an issue that would have prevented sync working on iPod touch / iPhone correctly
-Some clean-up

Does anyone actually use "Load library and playlists"? It seems very cumbersome and I plan to remove it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-05-19 03:26:54
The duplicate checking doesnt seem to be working for me. I tried testing it a few times by sending files which are already on my ipod, and they get sent anyway. I checked the tags on the duplicates and theyre all identical.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2008-05-19 05:17:14
0.5.9.4 experimental released:
-I changed the "Send to iPod" command to check if files already exist on the iPod (looks for exact matches)
-I changed the existing file matching method of "Send playlists to iPod" from the previous 'fuzzy' method to the exact match method
-Corrected some issues with smart playlist generation with multiple rules
-Fixed an issue that would have prevented sync working on iPod touch / iPhone correctly
-Some clean-up

Does anyone actually use "Load library and playlists"? It seems very cumbersome and I plan to remove it.


I definitely use "Load Library" but never load playlists.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-05-19 09:05:56
Does anyone actually use "Load library and playlists"? It seems very cumbersome and I plan to remove it.

I do - how else is one supposed to actually get files OFF the iPod on another machine if it weren't for "Load library" and Foobar2000's built-in file operations?

So please don't remove this...

EDIT: Wait - you said "Load library and playlists", not "Load library"... no, can't say I've ever used it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-19 10:26:59
The duplicate checking doesnt seem to be working for me. I tried testing it a few times by sending files which are already on my ipod, and they get sent anyway. I checked the tags on the duplicates and theyre all identical.
Same filesize and modified date? (OK - these aren't accessible on the iPod touch / iPhone through foo_dop, it works with what's in the iPod database in this case.) Can you try sending a file twice (in two separate operations?). If that doesn't work then it's broken on iPod touch / iPhone.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PlazzTT on 2008-05-19 10:40:37
Does anyone actually use "Load library and playlists"? It seems very cumbersome and I plan to remove it.


I've never used it, no.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2008-05-19 12:14:51
thank you for developing this plugin. my sister is going crazy, now her ipod shuffle works with foobar ^^
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-05-19 13:45:15
Ok, if I send the same file twice in succession it detects the duplicate and skips it. Could it have something to do with the program used to add the files? I used mediamonkey to send a lot of them, so maybe it does some something that modifies the file slightly? Although I looked at the filesize and all the other properties for a duplicate file and they were exactly the same, so I cant see see why it wasnt detected. Could you maybe have an option to ignore the modified date just in case thats the problem?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-19 15:24:30
Ok, if I send the same file twice in succession it detects the duplicate and skips it. Could it have something to do with the program used to add the files? I used mediamonkey to send a lot of them, so maybe it does some something that modifies the file slightly? Although I looked at the filesize and all the other properties for a duplicate file and they were exactly the same, so I cant see see why it wasnt detected. Could you maybe have an option to ignore the modified date just in case thats the problem?
If you didn't modify the files on your computer since you sent them, then it may be that Media Monkey didn't write the modified time field in the iPod database correctly. You can check the modified time in the database in iTunes, just add the respective column.

I can't not use the modified time - basing it solely on metadata falls over on tracks that are lacking in metadata. The only improvement I can realistically make is in regards to files that have been modified since they were sent: it could also check if any files in the iPod have the same source path (when they were sent) as one of the files being sent, and if so remove the old version rather than creating a duplicate. That would only work for files sent using foo_dop, though, and of course will fall over if they were moved (as well as modified) since then.

Anyway, I added a "In DopDB" column to the browse iPod view, which indicates whether there is a matching entry in foo_dop's database (i.e. it sent them).

Oh, I uploaded 0.5.9.5, it fixes a bug in .4 with sync (etc.) and recently added files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PlazzTT on 2008-05-19 16:54:14
Dumbass question of the day: Can I add tracks to a playlist ("folder") on the iPod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-05-19 17:22:30
Maybe you could give us the option of specifying our own duplicate-matching scheme? Like we could just provide our own titleformatting string with which the two files would be compared. That way, if matching fails, its our own fault  I, for example, would probably just use %artist%-%title%-%album%, but other people might want to include file path, comments, track length, etc. to get more specific.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-19 18:37:48
Dumbass question of the day: Can I add tracks to a playlist ("folder") on the iPod?
Playlists and playlist folders are different things, the latter are only supported on iPod Classics and Nano 3Gs. Anyway, what you can do with the component is send playlists to the iPod and create smart playlists (and remove playlists of course).

Maybe you could give us the option of specifying our own duplicate-matching scheme? Like we could just provide our own titleformatting string with which the two files would be compared. That way, if matching fails, its our own fault  I, for example, would probably just use %artist%-%title%-%album%, but other people might want to include file path, comments, track length, etc. to get more specific.
I don't really think it's this simple. Take your example, for example, one may modify the lyrics on a file locally and re-send it. The updated lyrics wouldn't find their way onto the iPod. There's also lots of funky stuff that goes on with the last modified times, due to the different resolutions and formats it is stored in..

I think the current method should work OK in most cases once I add the tracking of the source path as I described before. But anyway, if the problem is MediaMonkey doing something wrong, this isn't the solution.

Can I ask for what reason you do not use sync? I just use a special playlist to deal with stuff I put on the iPod temporarily. Is it the flakiness of the connection of the component with the iPod touch? Or the component removing podcasts or smth? Anyway, if it's something I can fix I'd like to know.

BTW, is there anyone here still with a 3G or 4G iPod? If so, can you tell me if iTunes allows you to create multiple playlists with the same name?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-05-19 20:32:39
I dont use the sync function mainly out of habit. I guess I just like knowing exactly what is going to be sent/removed and I dont totally trust any program not to screw something up. Maybe if you implemented some sort of confirmation dialog which would show a list of all the changes that would be made during a sync, I would be more inclined to use it. So its not your fault or anything, its just the way I like to manage my ipod.

As for the duplicate checking, I understand your point. I think ill just have to wean myself off of mediamonkey.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-19 21:01:21
Hmm, yes now you mention it a preview wouldn't be so bad. I think I'll add that and then maybe also a quiet mode.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: liteau on 2008-05-20 08:26:59
Hi. I've looked through the last couple of pages and haven't found a solution to my problem. Hopefully someone can help:

I just synced my library to my Ipod's, but there appears to be only one album cover... Every single song I synced uses this single album cover! I got so frustrated that I removed all the songs off the Ipod, threw away the song with that album cover in the recycle bin and resynced everything. To my horror, the same album cover appeared for every song (even though the song using that cover is no longer on the Ipod). In the coverflow, it's just hundreds of copies of that one album. I've tried sending the songs instead of syncing.. I've tried using the new test version.. I've even tried uploading just one song on my Ipod.. that evil album cover still showed up! What's going on?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-05-20 09:30:38
Hi. I've looked through the last couple of pages and haven't found a solution to my problem. Hopefully someone can help:

I just synced my library to my Ipod's, but there appears to be only one album cover... Every single song I synced uses this single album cover! I got so frustrated that I removed all the songs off the Ipod, threw away the song with that album cover in the recycle bin and resynced everything. To my horror, the same album cover appeared for every song (even though the song using that cover is no longer on the Ipod). In the coverflow, it's just hundreds of copies of that one album. I've tried sending the songs instead of syncing.. I've tried using the new test version.. I've even tried uploading just one song on my Ipod.. that evil album cover still showed up! What's going on?


I'm not entirly sure, but I had a similar issue with my iPod. After doing some stuff on it (I think it was iTunes updates fault?) most of my albums only displayed the cover for the FIRST track, OR no tracks at all. It was frustrating, but I resolved it by using itunes to restore the ipod back to its factory settings, and then used foo_dop to send everything back. Maybe see if that works for you?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PlazzTT on 2008-05-20 10:09:36
Hi. I've looked through the last couple of pages and haven't found a solution to my problem. Hopefully someone can help:

I just synced my library to my Ipod's, but there appears to be only one album cover... Every single song I synced uses this single album cover! I got so frustrated that I removed all the songs off the Ipod, threw away the song with that album cover in the recycle bin and resynced everything. To my horror, the same album cover appeared for every song (even though the song using that cover is no longer on the Ipod). In the coverflow, it's just hundreds of copies of that one album. I've tried sending the songs instead of syncing.. I've tried using the new test version.. I've even tried uploading just one song on my Ipod.. that evil album cover still showed up! What's going on?


Was the cover embedded in the song you deleted? foo_dop could be using a folder.jpg file which you haven't deleted. If all of your mp3s are in the one folder, this could be the reason.

If an mp3 being sent to the iPod by foo_dop has both embedded art, and a folder.jpg file in the same folder, I'm not sure which one is used as the album art for that mp3?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-05-20 10:23:07
Hey musicmusic,

I have tested out your 0.5.9.5 on my 80GB Classic, and everything seems flawless so far . I haven't synced y iPod in a while, so when I did, I had over 1000 files to get updated ! I know I didn't have that many new songs, so of course it was the metadata changing in the songs.

So my question/suggestion/request is if it would be at all possible to have a field that we could define tags to ignore when syncing the iPod? For example:

first_played;last_played;play_counter

Something like that where we seperate the tags with ;'s. If that isn't possible, I will just update my iPod more often to avoid to huge update every week haha.

Thanks and keep up the good work .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-20 11:22:16
foo_dop could be using a folder.jpg file which you haven't deleted. If all of your mp3s are in the one folder, this could be the reason.
Agreed that's the most likely reason. If you can't see it in Windows Explorer, you may need to show hidden files and protected operating system files.

So my question/suggestion/request is if it would be at all possible to have a field that we could define tags to ignore when syncing the iPod? For example:

first_played;last_played;play_counter

Something like that where we seperate the tags with ;'s. If that isn't possible, I will just update my iPod more often to avoid to huge update every week haha.
It's not really possible without some issues. So yes you could update more frequently or alternatively not update playback stats to tags.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bort on 2008-05-20 22:03:45
I tried creating a smart playlist based on rating > 3 but only one song is added to it.  I wonder if this has something to do with the fact that I use foo_custominfo for storing the rating tag?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-05-21 22:18:47
musicmusic,

After using this plug-in for a little while, I've still found some bizarre behavior with my files on the iPhone losing the lyrics tags in the database.  The tags remain intact in the files on the device, but for some reason they stop being displayed when playing occasionally....this may be related to iTunes screwing with the files.

However, I have discovered a workaround: It appears that the device will display lyrics if they are included in the COMMENT field with a leading [LY] at the front of the field.  Would it be possible to include an option to map a title-formatting string to the comment field in the metadata tab?  It's been a long and frustrating struggle to take full advantage of the abilities of the iPhone without the need for let iTunes take control of my carefully tagged files, and this would be one step in that process.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-21 23:01:19
I tried creating a smart playlist based on rating > 3 but only one song is added to it.  I wonder if this has something to do with the fact that I use foo_custominfo for storing the rating tag?
Yes. I will fix it so it at least works with the official Playback Statistics component, which will probably fix it for you as well, and maybe a remapping when there is some space in prefs.

musicmusic,

After using this plug-in for a little while, I've still found some bizarre behavior with my files on the iPhone losing the lyrics tags in the database.  The tags remain intact in the files on the device, but for some reason they stop being displayed when playing occasionally....this may be related to iTunes screwing with the files.

However, I have discovered a workaround: It appears that the device will display lyrics if they are included in the COMMENT field with a leading [LY] at the front of the field.  Would it be possible to include an option to map a title-formatting string to the comment field in the metadata tab?  It's been a long and frustrating struggle to take full advantage of the abilities of the iPhone without the need for let iTunes take control of my carefully tagged files, and this would be one step in that process.
Strings in the iTunesDB are limited to 500 characters - so it's not getting anything from there (unless your lyrics are really short..). The iPod reads lyrics directly from the file's tags, with regards to MP3 it needs "iTunes compatible" ID3v2 tags - enabling the compatibility mode in foobar2000 usually achieves that if you're tagging with foobar2000. I don't remember who (maybe you) but someone reported seeing random parts of the MP3 file instead of the lyrics on the iPod touch when they had ID3v2.4 tags..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-05-22 20:54:16
I have noticed certain strange behavior in the display of the lyrics when the tags are not written in compatibility mode too....but that's not really what's been happening here.

Sometimes, the lyrics show for some period of time, and then for no apparent reason the device decides it doesn't want to show them anymore.  They are still in the file, because when I load the library on my work computer, the foobar2000 lyrics display panel still shows them.  I guess there is a still a lot of "black magic" in the way the iPhone displays stuff.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-22 23:25:30
Can you make them reliably disappear and come back? The thing is, if it is having trouble reading the tag it can still give inconsistent results. If you can reliably make them disappear and come back, then you can try tagging a track with iTunes itself and see if that helps.

But anyway the extent of the component's involvement with lyrics is just setting a flag in the database to indicate whether a track has lyrics or not. So otherwise I guess your hope is new firmware..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-05-23 13:29:26
Yeah, if I send a file with lyrics, and then don't let iTunes do anything, they show up.  As soon as I allow iTunes to run, even though it's set to let me manually manage my music, and to NOT sync ANY files at all, the lyrics refuse to show up, even though they are still in the file.  If I remove them from the file on the iPhone, then re-add them and run the foo_dop "update metadata..." command, they come back until iTunes runs again.  So for whatever reason, iTunes is probably telling the device that no lyrics are attached, so the device isn't even looking into that tag as it runs.

The strange thing is that this problems seems to have come up somewhat recently, although I cannot pinpoint exactly when it started (maybe with the recent iTunes update about a month ago?).  Could have been with one of the minor updates in foo_dop...I really don't know.  However I can reliably make this problem arise and then dissapear.

....it's too bad that such a wonderful device as the iPhone has to be developed by the same company that forces you to use such a monumental piece of shiatt as iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-23 16:40:48
The plot thickens. I can reproduce this. With further investigation, it seems that along with that flag I mentioned iTunes is writing some other value into the database these days, which foo_dop doesn't and is causing iTunes to remove the other flag. So I need to work out what this value means, doesn't seem like anything obvious at first sight
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-23 22:54:46
Well, I may as well update you on what I found out. It seems to be a 32-bit checksum/hash of the lyrics, also dependant on the filetype. I thought I was being paranoid, but any two MP3 files with same lyrics but other metadata different get the same value, and same length but different lyrics get a different value. Clearly the iPod doesn't care about this, since it displays lyrics without it, so what exactly this is for is beyond me. The algorithm is unknown to me; if it is anything like the main database hash it could also depend on one of the iPod's serial numbers and some magic bytes. The good news is that at first sight putting any garbage in this field seems to be enough to keep iTunes and my iPod classic happy, but the bad news is if it is really meant as a checksum this may not work forever or may have different results on an iPod touch.

I just can't see why they would try and protect a feature like lyrics like this: maybe it's to do with the fact that lyrics requires the January software update on the iPod touch? I think you are right though in that it must have started with a recent iTunes update.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-05-27 13:44:36
Maybe something to do with licensing?  Perhaps they are considering embedding lyrics into files downloaded from the music store, and want to be able to assure the record companies that this information is "secured".

Either way, I becomes increasingly weary with iTunes' overbearing control over the iPhone.....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-27 18:15:28
Version 0.6.0 released. See changelog for details.
Maybe something to do with licensing?  Perhaps they are considering embedding lyrics into files downloaded from the music store, and want to be able to assure the record companies that this information is "secured".

Either way, I becomes increasingly weary with iTunes' overbearing control over the iPhone.....
Well, version 0.6.0 sets this field to some fixed value (for new tracks), which stops iTunes removing the lyrics flag. This doesn't affect the ability of my iPod classic to display lyrics, but I need confirmation that the iPod touch and iPhone are OK as well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-05-27 18:30:07
Great, thanks for that.  I am currently in the midst of a move, so right now my computer is packed up and I am restricted to my iPhone for all computing needs.  I probably won't have it setup until this upcoming weekend, and I'll test it then to make sure it works.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-05-27 22:12:07
On the topic of lyrics, I have two questions:

1. What tag do the lyrics need to be in for the iPod (specifically the 80GB classic) to read them?

2. If the answer to question 1. is something OTHER than %lyrics% would it be at all possible for foo_dop to make the iPod read the lyrics from the %lyrics% tag instead (or make a custom mapping for it)?

I can't get my classic to display my lyrics, and I never have been able to .

EDIT: I just read on http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:notes (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:notes) that the lyrics need to be in the Unsynced Lyrics tag for MP3's, so my suggestion is that it be possible to map this to a different field such as %lyrics% if this is possible .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-27 23:23:02
Great, thanks for that.  I am currently in the midst of a move, so right now my computer is packed up and I am restricted to my iPhone for all computing needs.  I probably won't have it setup until this upcoming weekend, and I'll test it then to make sure it works.
OK cool  If it works then I'll be happy to remove all previous versions of foo_dop (well, I already started there ).

[...]EDIT: I just read on http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:notes (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:notes) that the lyrics need to be in the Unsynced Lyrics tag for MP3's, so my suggestion is that it be possible to map this to a different field such as %lyrics% if this is possible .
I can't change what foobar2000 maps the USLT ID3v2 frame to. I can recommend the Linear+ view in the forum.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2008-05-28 08:19:43
I can't change what foobar2000 maps the USLT ID3v2 frame to.
Then I suppose there's no hope for those using APEv2 tags...?

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-05-28 08:41:16
I can't change what foobar2000 maps the USLT ID3v2 frame to.


Hmm, that sucks . So is there any way at all to make the classic read lyrics from the %lyrics% tag or am I gonna have to convert all the %lyrics% tags to %unsynced lyrics%?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-28 10:24:33
Then I suppose there's no hope for those using APEv2 tags...?
Correct.

I gonna have to convert all the %lyrics% tags to %unsynced lyrics%?
Correct, for your MP3 files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-05-28 17:02:24
Thank you so much for the sync dialog! However, sync still only works as long as I completely avoid running itunes or doing transfers with any other program. I decided to completely format my ipod, then I used foobar to sync a bunch of tracks. Then, I ran itunes and it automatically started to determine gapless data and whatever else it does for the tracks on the ipod. Then, when I selected the same tracks in foobar to sync, it assumed they had all changed and wanted to delete and add them all. This doesnt happen if I dont run itunes. Its wierd because I checked the filesize, tags, etc. of the tracks before and after running itunes, and they seem identical.

I noticed that after itunes works it magic on the tracks, the transparent artwork problem for those tracks is fixed. Is foo_dop detecting a change in the artwork? Id think this is a database change only and wouldnt affect the syncing check.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-28 18:22:34
There's two possibilities:
1. If they are transcodes, it may be due to iTunes changing their ID in the database
2. Otherwise, the only thing it could be is iTunes changing the modified date for these tracks in the database. If this is the case, I can keep a track of it in the foo_dop database instead for just the iPod touch/iPhone. But if it is this case can you check what iTunes displays in the Date Modified column for these tracks on the iPod?

When iTunes does a scan for gapless data, it will reload the artwork, metadata etc. That is why the artwork changed. You can stop it doing this on foo_dop tracks if you want by enabling both gapless options in foo_dop prefs.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2008-05-28 18:41:45
Then I suppose there's no hope for those using APEv2 tags...?
Correct.
Please forgive my ignorance but I was wondering... I tag my MP3s with ID3v1/APEv2 tags only and ordinary APEv2 tags (eg. Album) are correctly transferred: how is this possible if foo_dop/iPod only handle ID3v2? Couldn't some sort of remapping be implemented?

Thanks for your attention.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-05-28 19:16:09
There's two possibilities:
1. If they are transcodes, it may be due to iTunes changing their ID in the database
2. Otherwise, the only thing it could be is iTunes changing the modified date for these tracks in the database. If this is the case, I can keep a track of it in the foo_dop database instead for just the iPod touch/iPhone. But if it is this case can you check what iTunes displays in the Date Modified column for these tracks on the iPod?

When iTunes does a scan for gapless data, it will reload the artwork, metadata etc. That is why the artwork changed. You can stop it doing this on foo_dop tracks if you want by enabling both gapless options in foo_dop prefs.
Nope, not transcodes but interestingly the Date Modified column in itunes is showing blanks. Maybe this is related to the problem?

Maybe what ill do is get a copy of the database before and after modifying it with itunes, and then you can compare them. This might also be a good way to figure out the transparent artwork problem.

Btw, I just got a crash after I hit stop in the middle of a sync:
Code: [Select]
Illegal operation:
Code: C0000005h, flags: 00000000h, address: 0165DEF5h
Access violation, operation: read, address: 00000000h
Call path not available.
Code bytes (0165DEF5h):
0165DEB5h:  17 00 00 8B 45 AC 8B 40 38 8D 1C CD 00 00 00 00
0165DEC5h:  8B 0C 18 8B 54 18 04 03 C3 89 8D C8 FE FF FF 89
0165DED5h:  95 CC FE FF FF 85 C9 74 0A 83 C1 04 51 FF 15 EC
0165DEE5h:  C0 6C 01 8B 45 AC 8B 55 90 C6 45 FC 10 8B 48 04
0165DEF5h:  8B 3C 91 8D 04 91 85 FF 74 09 8B 07 8B 50 04 8B
0165DF05h:  CF FF D2 89 BD 38 FF FF FF 33 C9 B8 34 F2 6C 01
0165DF15h:  89 4D A0 89 4D A4 89 4D A8 89 45 9C 89 8D 6C FC
0165DF25h:  FF FF 89 8D 70 FC FF FF 89 8D 74 FC FF FF 89 85
Stack (0B5FE55Ch):
0B5FE53Ch:  004C8D95 0012FB8C 0063D940 5A0F0A1F
0B5FE54Ch:  FFFFFFFE 00631EFB 004CB625 0012F95C
0B5FE55Ch:  979CD6B9 0B43B180 0B61F008 0B61F088
0B5FE56Ch:  09F20E7C 71AB4D1F 00000008 000003AC
0B5FE57Ch:  001F30D0 00000000 0B5FE5B0 71AD2EA3
0B5FE58Ch:  000003AC 0B5FE5A8 00000001 0B5FE5C0
0B5FE59Ch:  0B5FE5BC 0B5FE5D8 016B47DF 00000031
0B5FE5ACh:  0B5FE5D8 016B499C 00000000 00000000
0B5FE5BCh:  0B5FEEE4 016B49A9 0B5FEEE4 016B8901
0B5FE5CCh:  00000000 0B5FEEE4 00000000 0B5FE604
0B5FE5DCh:  016B2CA0 0B5FE674 0B5FFC20 0B5FE720
0B5FE5ECh:  00000000 016E1434 00000001 0B5FEEE4
0B5FE5FCh:  00000000 00000000 0B5FE628 7C9032A8
0B5FE60Ch:  0B5FE674 0B5FEEE4 0B5FE720 0B5FE714
0B5FE61Ch:  0B5FEEE4 7C9032E3 0B5FEEE4 0B5FE9F0
0B5FE62Ch:  7C90327A 0B5FE674 0B5FEEE4 0B5FE720
0B5FE63Ch:  0B5FE714 016B2C73 00000001 0B5FE674
0B5FE64Ch:  0B5FEEE4 7C92ACAD 0B5FE674 7C90D04C
0B5FE65Ch:  7C92ACD6 0B5FE720 00000000 00000001
0B5FE66Ch:  0B5FEF64 016D8900 C0000027 00000002
Registers:
EAX: 0B61F088, EBX: 00000000, ECX: 00000000, EDX: 00000000
ESI: 0B61F07C, EDI: 00000000, EBP: 0B5FEE4C, ESP: 0B5FE55C
Crash location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h

Loaded modules:
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foo_input_wma                    loaded at 020C0000h - 020EE000h
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IMAGEHLP                        loaded at 76C90000h - 76CB8000h
CoreFoundation                  loaded at 18000000h - 18110000h
WSOCK32                          loaded at 71AD0000h - 71AD9000h
YSFileShim                      loaded at 05670000h - 0567A000h
icuuc36                          loaded at 09590000h - 09658000h
icudt36                          loaded at 09660000h - 09D67000h
icuin36                          loaded at 09D70000h - 09DFD000h
pthreadGC2                      loaded at 09E00000h - 09E0F000h
libobjc.i386.A                  loaded at 22200000h - 2229D000h
iTunesMobileDevice              loaded at 09F10000h - 0A024000h
QuickTime                        loaded at 66800000h - 6785D000h
System.ni                        loaded at 7A440000h - 7AC2A000h
mswsock                          loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
hnetcfg                          loaded at 662B0000h - 66308000h
wshtcpip                        loaded at 71A90000h - 71A98000h
System.Drawing.ni                loaded at 7ADE0000h - 7AF7C000h
System.Windows.Forms.ni          loaded at 7AFD0000h - 7BC6C000h
dciman32                        loaded at 73BC0000h - 73BC6000h
wdmaud                          loaded at 72D20000h - 72D29000h
msacm32                          loaded at 72D10000h - 72D18000h
MSACM32                          loaded at 77BE0000h - 77BF5000h
midimap                          loaded at 77BD0000h - 77BD7000h
KsUser                          loaded at 73EE0000h - 73EE4000h
mslbui                          loaded at 605D0000h - 605D9000h
PopUpIcons                      loaded at 0B250000h - 0B256000h
awaysystemex                    loaded at 3AB00000h - 3AB25000h
xpsp2res                        loaded at 0B800000h - 0BAC5000h
DBGHELP                          loaded at 59A60000h - 59B01000h

Stack dump analysis:
Address: 09F20E7Ch, location: "iTunesMobileDevice", loaded at 09F10000h - 0A024000h
Symbol: "AFCSendData" (+000000ECh)
Address: 71AB4D1Fh, location: "WS2_32", loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
Symbol: "WSARecv" (+0000006Ah)
Address: 71AD2EA3h, location: "WSOCK32", loaded at 71AD0000h - 71AD9000h
Symbol: "recv" (+00000033h)
Address: 016B47DFh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B499Ch, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B49A9h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B8901h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B2CA0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016E1434h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 7C9032A8h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlConvertUlongToLargeInteger" (+0000006Ah)
Address: 7C9032E3h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlConvertUlongToLargeInteger" (+000000A5h)
Address: 7C90327Ah, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlConvertUlongToLargeInteger" (+0000003Ch)
Address: 016B2C73h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 7C92ACADh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlUnwind" (+00000108h)
Address: 7C90D04Ch, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "ZwContinue" (+0000000Ch)
Address: 7C92ACD6h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlUnwind" (+00000131h)
Address: 016D8900h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B740Bh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 71A544B0h, location: "mswsock", loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
Address: 71A544A8h, location: "mswsock", loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
Address: 71AB4D16h, location: "WS2_32", loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
Symbol: "WSARecv" (+00000061h)
Address: 71AB2E1Fh, location: "WS2_32", loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
Symbol: "WSASetEvent" (+0000018Eh)
Address: 71A52BE9h, location: "mswsock", loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
Address: 71A52C78h, location: "mswsock", loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
Address: 71A52C66h, location: "mswsock", loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
Address: 016D37E8h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 7C90D26Ch, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "ZwDeviceIoControlFile" (+0000000Ch)
Address: 71A5440Bh, location: "mswsock", loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
Address: 71A544A8h, location: "mswsock", loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
Address: 0168196Eh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 7C910098h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+0000018Bh)
Address: 7C910021h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000114h)
Address: 7C91003Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 7C91003Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 7C91003Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 7C910098h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+0000018Bh)
Address: 7C910021h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000114h)
Address: 7C91003Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 7C8097F6h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F6000h
Symbol: "InterlockedIncrement" (+00000000h)
Address: 7C91003Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 7C8097F6h, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F6000h
Symbol: "InterlockedIncrement" (+00000000h)
Address: 7C91003Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 7C910961h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "wcsncpy" (+00000402h)
Address: 7C91003Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 7C910040h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000133h)
Address: 7C91003Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 0049FDC8h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 0049FDC8h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 7C90E900h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+00000113h)
Address: 0049FDA9h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 0049FDC8h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 7C80980Ah, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F6000h
Symbol: "InterlockedDecrement" (+00000000h)
Address: 004B62AEh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 004A22A0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 0049FDC8h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 004376C7h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 00437C93h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 004382FCh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 004B48A8h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 00437A79h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 00437A8Fh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 00437A8Fh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 7C910098h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+0000018Bh)
Address: 7C910021h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000114h)
Address: 7C91003Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 00437A8Fh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 00437A8Fh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 00437A8Fh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 00437A8Fh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 00437A8Fh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 00437A8Fh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 7C90E900h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+00000113h)
Address: 7C910040h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000133h)
Address: 7C91003Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 016AF483h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016AF4A2h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 004F5EE0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 016B3FB0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016AF4A2h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 0167373Dh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 004F5EC8h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 0164430Eh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 01657307h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016CF234h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B47DFh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B499Ch, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016E1434h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B49A9h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B7EF2h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B7ED8h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016CF234h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016CF234h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016CF234h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016CF234h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B2C63h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016CF234h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016E1434h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 7C9032A8h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlConvertUlongToLargeInteger" (+0000006Ah)
Address: 7C9032E3h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlConvertUlongToLargeInteger" (+000000A5h)
Address: 7C90327Ah, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlConvertUlongToLargeInteger" (+0000003Ch)
Address: 016C8B5Ah, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016CF234h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 7C90D04Ch, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "ZwContinue" (+0000000Ch)
Address: 7C92ACD6h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlUnwind" (+00000131h)
Address: 016D37E8h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016E13F8h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016D37E8h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 4EC936CFh, location: "gdiplus", loaded at 4EC50000h - 4EDF6000h
Symbol: "GdipGetPathGradientFocusScales" (+00000972h)
Address: 4EC93834h, location: "gdiplus", loaded at 4EC50000h - 4EDF6000h
Symbol: "GdipGetPathGradientFocusScales" (+00000AD7h)
Address: 016CF234h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016CF234h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016D37E8h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016CF234h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B2C14h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 7C90E900h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+00000113h)
Address: 7C910040h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000133h)
Address: 016CF234h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 0191003Dh, location: "foo_dts", loaded at 01910000h - 019E0000h
Address: 016C740Eh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 01659761h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 0168A8FEh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016C9BA8h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 7C910040h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000133h)
Address: 0168A932h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B8A07h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 0168A8FEh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B2F87h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 0168A8FEh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B2C73h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016E35DCh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B8105h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016E35DCh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 0168A8FEh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B7EF2h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 0168A8FEh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B3FB0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B848Ch, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016E35DCh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016E35DCh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B87E3h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016E35DCh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 71A5440Bh, location: "mswsock", loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
Address: 015FF024h, location: "foo_discogs", loaded at 01590000h - 01624000h
Address: 016B89CFh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016E35DCh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B2C63h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016E35DCh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016E35DCh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 7C9032A8h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlConvertUlongToLargeInteger" (+0000006Ah)
Address: 7C9032BCh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlConvertUlongToLargeInteger" (+0000007Eh)
Address: 7C90327Ah, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlConvertUlongToLargeInteger" (+0000003Ch)
Address: 016CA5ABh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 7C92A9EFh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "towlower" (+000001C9h)
Address: 016CA5ABh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 7C910098h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+0000018Bh)
Address: 7C90E46Ah, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "KiUserExceptionDispatcher" (+0000000Eh)
Address: 7C812AEBh, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F6000h
Symbol: "RaiseException" (+00000052h)
Address: 4EC936CFh, location: "gdiplus", loaded at 4EC50000h - 4EDF6000h
Symbol: "GdipGetPathGradientFocusScales" (+00000972h)
Address: 4EC93834h, location: "gdiplus", loaded at 4EC50000h - 4EDF6000h
Symbol: "GdipGetPathGradientFocusScales" (+00000AD7h)
Address: 01643D90h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 7C812AEBh, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F6000h
Symbol: "RaiseException" (+00000052h)
Address: 4EC936CFh, location: "gdiplus", loaded at 4EC50000h - 4EDF6000h
Symbol: "GdipGetPathGradientFocusScales" (+00000972h)
Address: 4EC93834h, location: "gdiplus", loaded at 4EC50000h - 4EDF6000h
Symbol: "GdipGetPathGradientFocusScales" (+00000AD7h)
Address: 7E41885Ah, location: "USER32", loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A1000h
Symbol: "GetDC" (+00000193h)
Address: 7C90E900h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+00000113h)
Address: 7C910040h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000133h)
Address: 7C91003Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 7C90E900h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+00000113h)
Address: 7C910040h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000133h)
Address: 7C91003Dh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlFreeHeap" (+00000130h)
Address: 004C8D95h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 004CB625h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 00400000h - 00527000h
Address: 7C812AEBh, location: "kernel32", loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F6000h
Symbol: "RaiseException" (+00000052h)
Address: 7C90E900h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "strchr" (+00000113h)
Address: 7C9101C0h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlAllocateHeap" (+0000011Ch)
Address: 7C9101BBh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9AF000h
Symbol: "RtlAllocateHeap" (+00000117h)
Address: 016AF6DEh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016B2BACh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 01699884h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016AF483h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016D0A50h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016CE1E4h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016D0A50h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016AF4A2h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 0167373Dh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 0164430Eh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 0164432Fh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 01654CC7h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h
Address: 016D37E8h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 01640000h - 016FC000h

Version info:
foobar2000 v0.9.5.3 beta 2
UNICODE
Windows 5.1


Additional info:
SoundTouch DSP 0.1 (SSE)  (foo_dsp_soundtouch)
mslive 0.4.5 (Intel SSE)  (foo_input_mslive)
PopUp Plus 20080423  (foo_popupplus)
Album List 4.2.2  (foo_albumlist)
Misc. Addons 0.1.1 (SSE)  (foo_misc_addons)
ListeningTo 0.1.1  (foo_listeningto)
Track Positioner 1.0  (foo_trackpos)
Lyrics Art Panel 0.057  (foo_uie_lyrics_art)
freedb Tagger 0.6  (foo_freedb2)
Gapless Crossfader 0.3.3.5 (SSE)  (foo_dsp_crossfader)
Reverse Playback 0.1.4 (SSE)  (foo_input_reverse)
Default User Interface 0.9.5  (foo_ui_std)
Masstagger Addons 0.3.4 (SSE)  (foo_masstag_addons)
foo_func 0.1.7  (foo_func)
Masstagger 1.6  (foo_masstag)
True Phase 1.0  (foo_truephase_hq)
Acro WMA decoder 0.1.7.2 (SSE)  (foo_input_wma)
Discogs Tagger 1.13  (foo_discogs)
iPod manager 0.6.0  (foo_dop)
Main window snapping 0.1  (foo_snap)
ZIP/GZIP reader 1.0  (foo_unpack)
APPCOMMAND multimedia key support 0.1  (foo_appcommand)
Tagger Panel Window 1.0.6 [Jan  2 2008 - 15:50:49]  (foo_cwb_hooks)
Facets 2008-02-25  (foo_facets)
Standard DSP Array 1.0  (foo_dsp_std)
Pretty Popup 1.2.3  (foo_prettypop)
Navigator 0.6  (foo_navigator)
Minimize On Close 0.2  (foo_minimize_on_close)
Playlist Bind 3.2  (foo_playlist_bind)
CD Audio Decoder 2.1.2  (foo_cdda)
Autoplaylist Manager 1.0  (foo_autoplaylist)
cwbowron's title format hooks 1.2.6 [Jan  2 2008 - 15:50:05]  (foo_cwb_hooks)
Standard Input Array 1.0  (foo_input_std)
Album Art Browser 0.0.5 [Jul 13 2007 - 10:15:45]  (foo_cwbowron)
ReplayGain Scanner 2.0.6  (foo_rgscan)
VLevel 20060324.0  (foo_dsp_vlevel)
File Operations 2.1  (foo_fileops)
Winamp API Emulator 0.90  (foo_winamp_spam)
DTS decoder 0.1.3 (Intel SSE)  (foo_dts)
Miranda ListeningTo foobar2000 Plugin 1.0  (foo_mlt)
Run services 0.3.3  (foo_run)
Continuator 0.5.0  (foo_dsp_continuator)
Playback Queue Viewer 0.2  (foo_pqview)
Database Search 1.4  (foo_dbsearch)
TLB Remote Control 2.1  (foo_tlbRC)
Extended Variables 0.3  (foo_exvar)
Skip silence 0.1 (SSE)  (foo_dsp_skip_silence)
CD Art Display Interface 2.0 beta 134  (foo_cdartdisplay)
Converter 1.1.1  (foo_converter)
Highlight playing 0.1.0  (foo_highlightplaying)
Lyrics Grabber 0.2.0 Beta  (foo_lyricsgrabber)
Preview 1.2  (foo_preview)
foo_etc 0.10beta  (foo_etc)
Randomized Playlist Entry 1.2.3  (foo_random)
ABX Comparator 1.3.3  (foo_abx)
Quick Tagger 1.0.1  (foo_quicktag)
foobar2000 core 0.9.5.3 beta 2  (Core)
Masstagger Replace 0.0.1  (foo_masstag_replace)
Playlist Tools 0.6.2 beta 6  (foo_utils)
Winamp IPC emulator 0.1.0  (foo_winamp_ipc)
RAR reader 1.1  (foo_unpack)
Menu Addons 0.4 (SSE)  (foo_menu_addons)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-05-28 20:00:22
Ok, heres a file that contains 4 copies of the itunesDB and 3 copies of the artwork folder.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/fz6py9 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/fz6py9)

-iTunesDB_clean was generated with no music on the ipod and after I deleted the existing copy so that itunes would make a fresh one.
-The dop_only files were made after transferring 3 tracks to the ipod with the clean database using foo_dop. With this database only, foo_dop detects duplicate tracks and syncs correctly. Also, artwork is transparent.
-For dop_then_itunes , itunes was opened with the foo_dop transferred files in the database. With this database, the duplicates aren't detected by foo_dop and the artwork is fixed.
-itunes_only was made by once again cleaning out the database and generating a clean one. Then, the same three files as before were transferred using itunes. Obviously, foo_dop does not detect duplicates for the sync here and artwork is fine.

I noticed that the artwork files for dop_then_itunes are twice the size of the dop_only and itunes_only ones. My guess is that itunes does not detect the presence of artwork added by foo_dop and adds its own copy, causing duplicate art in the database. This also explains how itunes is fixing the transparent art problem...it just sends a correct copy while ignoring the other one. Keep in mind that the 3 tracks are from one album so only one album cover should be present. I think that mediamonkey is doing the same thing, btw. I hope this is of some help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-28 20:36:49
Nope, not transcodes but interestingly the Date Modified column in itunes is showing blanks. Maybe this is related to the problem?
Yes, that is indeed the problem, thanks.

Btw, I just got a crash after I hit stop in the middle of a sync:
Ah thanks. Seems there's a few issues using "Stop", so don't use it at the moment, I'll fix it for next version.

Ok, heres a file that contains 4 copies of the itunesDB and 3 copies of the artwork folder.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/fz6py9 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/fz6py9)
Thanks, I'll take a look.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PlazzTT on 2008-05-28 23:51:10
Thanks for another great update!

Recover Orphaned Tracks seems to have found a lot for me. It processed 20 tracks or so, but I'm not sure what.

Is there a way of checking what got added? They didn't seem to go in to my "added last 1 week" smart playlist.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-29 00:35:11
alphaex32: I got a good lead on the transparency problem from your files, please check version 0.6.1. "Stop" should work OK now (hopefully..). I haven't tackled the sync problem yet though.

I made some other general changes whilst reorganising some code, so try and give all the commands a good thrashing to make sure nothing broke as a result.

Thanks for another great update!

Recover Orphaned Tracks seems to have found a lot for me. It processed 20 tracks or so, but I'm not sure what.

Is there a way of checking what got added? They didn't seem to go in to my "added last 1 week" smart playlist.
I wanted to add a nice report to show what, but I didn't get a chance yet. Note that there will be a dialog showing loads of filenames on the iPod, that doesn't mean anything, it is just scanning it there. If it did add anything, if you go into "Manage contents" they will be at the end of the main list of tracks. They should really be on the smart playlist as well if you left date added as "date added to iPod".
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-05-29 01:53:29
Whoops, looks like that broke album art. Im getting this error for all the tracks I send:
Failed to add album art for track: Gdiplus error (function: Gdiplus::Bitmap::c'tor, code: 2)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-29 08:05:56
Ooops, it was broken on iPod touch / iPhone. It should be sorted in 0.6.1.1.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2008-05-29 10:01:23
Question: Now that "Refresh Ipod Library Metadata" is gone, what should we use to upload our track plays to last.fm?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-29 10:24:34
Just rewrite database, or a normal sync if you use that. (Basically, any command that modifies the device.) That other command was never the best one to use..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PlazzTT on 2008-05-29 10:25:35
Question: Now that "Refresh Ipod Library Metadata" is gone, what should we use to upload our track plays to last.fm?


I always used "Rewrite iPod database", as recommended in the foo_audioscrobbler changelog when foo_dop support was first added. That's still there.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-05-29 13:32:49
Transparent art problem: fixed  Awesome!
Just curious though, why does dop transfer all the art after the audio files? It might make more sense to send the art along with each file at a time, although I dont know if this would be inefficient from a CPU standpoint.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-05-29 13:45:44
Transparent art problem: fixed  Awesome!
Just curious though, why does dop transfer all the art after the audio files? It might make more sense to send the art along with each file at a time, although I dont know if this would be inefficient from a CPU standpoint.

I'd hazard a guess that it keeps track which files use which art while uploading the files, then only uploads a single copy of each art file into the artwork database on the iPod.

Also, not writing the artwork database while copying files to the iPod might also reduce filesystem fragmentation.

And since I'm curious - what was it that made the iPod show half-transparent JPGs? It's not as if there were a transparency value in the JPG format...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-29 16:59:22
Transparent art problem: fixed  Awesome!
Great!

Just curious though, why does dop transfer all the art after the audio files?
It's just design/technical reasons really.. Fragmentation of the .ithmb files is a concern, it causes some issues on older iPods, but that's not the real reason because it can be avoided by preallocating space. It just gets incredibly complicated mixing it in with the implementation of multi-threaded transcoding (apart from the conversion/replaygain threads, there is another thread which tags and moves files to the iPod album by album... basically it's very complicated) and the way the component groups tracks into albums/groups (it doesn't do this until it has finished copying tracks, and these are stored in the iPod database).

And since I'm curious - what was it that made the iPod show half-transparent JPGs? It's not as if there were a transparency value in the JPG format...
It was basically the first thing I thought it could have been... According to the XML properties file from the device the artwork bitmaps were supposed to be stored in RGB555. I thought that maybe they were using the last bit for the transparency, but I expected it to be transparent if it was set and opaque if it was unset. So I verified that the component wasn't setting it and left it until now when I got those .ithmb files which alphaex32 luckily included which showed the difference compared to iTunes...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2008-05-29 18:17:07
Just rewrite database, or a normal sync if you use that. (Basically, any command that modifies the device.) That other command was never the best one to use..



Question: Now that "Refresh Ipod Library Metadata" is gone, what should we use to upload our track plays to last.fm?


I always used "Rewrite iPod database", as recommended in the foo_audioscrobbler changelog when foo_dop support was first added. That's still there.


Ah, thank you both.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: XAX on 2008-05-31 08:34:59
1. The album named the album Quartet and "Quartet" is registered in iPod.
2. When the album list is displayed, the same album as "Quartet", Quartet, "Quartet", and Quartet is repeatedly displayed.
3. There was no problem before foo_dop-0.5.4-TEST.7z.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PlazzTT on 2008-05-31 16:27:42
1. The album named the album Quartet and "Quartet" is registered in iPod.
2. When the album list is displayed, the same album as "Quartet", Quartet, "Quartet", and Quartet is repeatedly displayed.
3. There was no problem before foo_dop-0.5.4-TEST.7z.


I've seen something similar to this. I had an album called "The Warning" and other called "Warning", and in my album list on the iPod "Warning" and "The Warning" were listed repeatedly under W (maybe 10 times)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bort on 2008-05-31 22:16:15
I'm still having trouble with a smart playlist based on ratings.  It is only detecting a small number of songs and I'm not sure why these songs are showing up when none of the hundreds of other songs I have rated aren't.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-05-31 22:37:32
XAX & PlazzTT: Thanks, I'll fix this for the next version.

bort: It will work of what is in the iPod's database. The latest version will pick up ratings not stored as normal metadata when setting metadata in the database. That won't automatically affect existing tracks on the iPod; the update metadata command should sort that or alternatively you can remove and re-send them.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: greenfoot on 2008-06-02 09:04:57
Is there any way to change metadata mappings on the ipod? For example, I had mapped %album artist% as artist, but now I want the artist to be normal while mapping %album artist% to compilation instead. I tried syncing, updating the metadata, and rewriting the database after changing these fields to no avail.

Edit: Two things: I'm running a 5G on Vista and the second link on the very first post in this thread is dead.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-02 11:17:45
1. You need to do "Load library" then select affected files and do "iPod/Update Metadata..." in context menu.
2. Works here but changed anyway
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Northpack on 2008-06-02 22:46:59
Thanks alot for the great plugin - worked flawlessly for me so far on my 5G

I've got a little feature request: would it be possible to set "Skip when shuffling" and "Remember playback position" for several files simultaneously? (I have Audiobooks consisting of hundreds of files and it would be nice if i could exclude them from shuffling whithout going mad )
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-02 23:50:47
I've got a little feature request: would it be possible to set "Skip when shuffling" and "Remember playback position" for several files simultaneously? (I have Audiobooks consisting of hundreds of files and it would be nice if i could exclude them from shuffling whithout going mad )
Yes I guess the properties window in Manage contents needs a multiple track mode. Actually though normally the iPod would activate those automatically for Audiobooks with m4b or aa extension/format.. however those aren't supported by foobar2000 (we can ignore .aa but .m4b could be added).

As an alternative, you can tag your files with IPOD_SKIP_WHEN_SHUFFLING and IPOD_REMEMBER_PLAYBACK_POSITION set to 1. Not the nicest way but it's an option for now..

I may just add remappings for these as well, as I modified the config page to accommodate more in next version. This would help you if you can work out if these tracks are audiobooks based upon metadata.

Probably you already know but you could also just set these on the iPod using iTunes (for now).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Northpack on 2008-06-03 10:26:43
Yes I guess the properties window in Manage contents needs a multiple track mode. Actually though normally the iPod would activate those automatically for Audiobooks with m4b or aa extension/format.. however those aren't supported by foobar2000 (we can ignore .aa but .m4b could be added).

As an alternative, you can tag your files with IPOD_SKIP_WHEN_SHUFFLING and IPOD_REMEMBER_PLAYBACK_POSITION set to 1. Not the nicest way but it's an option for now..

I may just add remappings for these as well, as I modified the config page to accommodate more in next version. This would help you if you can work out if these tracks are audiobooks based upon metadata.

Probably you already know but you could also just set these on the iPod using iTunes (for now).

Maybe not the nicest way, but it does the job - thanks for the hint. Yet a multiple track mode would be a nice thing to have indeed!

I have all of these audiobooks as mp3, ripped track-by-track from cd (because my old mp3 player wasn't capable of resuming playback). I guess it isn't possible to have mp3s filed as audiobooks on the ipod anyway?

However you could map the genre-tag to enable both options, so that one could specify the kind of genres handled as audiobooks.

Thanks again for your effort!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: M on 2008-06-03 20:56:40
Love the plugin! Is there any chance you would consider adding support for iTunes-style "chapters," so that single-file podcasts and albums with chapter-stops can be added via foo_dop? I realize it's probably not on everyone's wishlist, but it would be a wonderful addition to an already impressive product.

For reference, iTunes chapters are specified by a timed text track, which can be added to any *.m4a container using the "QuickTime Friendly" build of MP4Creator (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=131095).

    - M.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-06-04 12:49:00
Hey musicmusic,

I was just checking out the change log for foo_dop, and it has a log up to version 6.2, but all I can find is 6.1.1. Where is 6.2?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-04 16:05:51
I guess it isn't possible to have mp3s filed as audiobooks on the ipod anyway?
I don't believe so, in a non-hacky way anyway.

Love the plugin! Is there any chance you would consider adding support for iTunes-style "chapters," so that single-file podcasts and albums with chapter-stops can be added via foo_dop? I realize it's probably not on everyone's wishlist, but it would be a wonderful addition to an already impressive product.

For reference, iTunes chapters are specified by a timed text track, which can be added to any *.m4a container using the "QuickTime Friendly" build of MP4Creator (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=131095).
I'll have a look at some point, but I reckon it will be a bit complicated.

Hey musicmusic,

I was just checking out the change log for foo_dop, and it has a log up to version 6.2, but all I can find is 6.1.1. Where is 6.2?
On my hard drive at the moment  Probably will release it today sometime.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-04 18:01:38
0.6.2 released. See changelog for details.

Notes:
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alphaex32 on 2008-06-05 03:48:32
The sync seems to be playing nice with mediamonkey now (dop still recognizes files it's synced even after mediamonkey modifies the db). It would be nice if dop could recognize duplicates of files sent by other programs during sync, but I guess this would be really difficult to do accurately. Anyway, Im hoping to ditch itunes and mediamonkey completely now that foo_dop has gotten so good.

Quick request...could you have the "send to ipod" command use a similar sync confirmation dialog to show files that it will skip?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Alexander Ostuni on 2008-06-05 05:49:15
Hello,

is it posible that the iPod sorts the albums by release year (stored in the date tag) instead of sorting them alphabetical order ?

Thanks in advance
Alex
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Northpack on 2008-06-05 09:33:23
After updating to 0.6.2 very strange things happened to my ipod database: some (but not all) of the artists appear dozens of times on the ipod; same for the album view. An example how it looks like:

A
B
C
D
C
D
C
D
C
D
C
D
C
D
E
F

However, if I load the library to foobar, there ain't such dublicates. I tried to rewrite database, re-sync but it doen't help any
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-05 10:16:49
Oops, I knew I was forgetting something  Should be sorted now though in 0.6.2.1  (Just do a rewrite database)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-05 16:33:27
Quick request...could you have the "send to ipod" command use a similar sync confirmation dialog to show files that it will skip?
I don't know.. it isn't something that needs confirming, and also if you knew which files you didn't want sending you could deselect them in the first place. I could maybe put it in the results dialog though. I may just add an option to make send files (not sync) a bit more fuzzy.

is it posible that the iPod sorts the albums by release year (stored in the date tag) instead of sorting them alphabetical order ?
The field may vary between tracks.. so I would need some tricks to work around that. Maybe. You can use a remapping as an alternative though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Alexander Ostuni on 2008-06-05 17:52:17
Hi,
thanks for your quick reply.
I am relatively new to this all, how do I remap ??

Thanks in advance
Alex
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aphasia on 2008-06-05 17:59:42
Go to Preferences > Tools > iPod Manager > Database and enter the following in the Album mapping box:

['('%date%') ']%album%

Then do a rewrite database.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Alexander Ostuni on 2008-06-05 20:13:38
Suuper, thank you very much. If that works I can get rid of the stupid years in my Album Tag (for example "1978 Heavy Horses")

Thanks again
Alex
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-05 20:28:38
Rewrite database is *not* the correct method to apply those settings to the existing tracks, if you have the latest version just press help to see the instructions or alternatively they are here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:database).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hydrac7 on 2008-06-05 22:01:13
Currently, I have this under Compilation on foo_dop: $if($stricmp($directory(%_path%,2),'Various Artists'),1,0)

How do I change that code to make it so that as well as putting mp3s I have in my Various Artists folder into compilation, it will display the tracks on my iPod as "Artist - Title" ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-06-05 22:11:43
Currently, I have this under Compilation on foo_dop: $if($stricmp($directory(%_path%,2),'Various Artists'),1,0)

How do I change that code to make it so that as well as putting mp3s I have in my Various Artists folder into compilation, it will display the tracks on my iPod as "Artist - Title" ?

Code: [Select]
Artist: 
$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),$meta(artist)),$meta(artist),$meta(album artist))

Title:
$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),$meta(artist)),$meta(title),$meta(artist) - $meta(title))

Compilation:
$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,)

That's what works fine for me - it'll map the album artist to the artist and put the artist into the track title if artist and album artist don't match; plus it'll mark all files with an album artist of "various artists" (ignoring the case) as a compilation.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aphasia on 2008-06-05 23:53:14
Rewrite database is *not* the correct method to apply those settings to the existing tracks, if you have the latest version just press help to see the instructions or alternatively they are here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:database).


Apologies. I thought given that every file on the iPod would be affected by the remapping rewrite database would be the thing to do.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Northpack on 2008-06-06 14:13:46
Oops, I knew I was forgetting something  Should be sorted now though in 0.6.2.1  (Just do a rewrite database)


Now that was a quick fix. Thanks! 

Apologies. I thought given that every file on the iPod would be affected by the remapping rewrite database would be the thing to do.

How about an "Auto-Update Metadata" on the file/iPod menu, to update all metadata on the ipod from library? Would save some clicks!

Another feature suggestion: on the recover orphaned tracks functionality could be shown a list of which files are to be recovered, or even better: a possibility to select which to recover and which to delete (cause most times it'll be doubletes anyway).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-06 16:18:42
How about an "Auto-Update Metadata" on the file/iPod menu, to update all metadata on the ipod from library? Would save some clicks!
It was there, but it was removed because it did things people didn't intend. For example, video files sent with other programs would lose some of their metadata. But anyway, you can just right click on the library playlist after loading it if you want to do it on all tracks.

Another feature suggestion: on the recover orphaned tracks functionality could be shown a list of which files are to be recovered, or even better: a possibility to select which to recover and which to delete (cause most times it'll be doubletes anyway).
I could just send them to a playlist afterwards, so you can examine them/do what you want with them.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Alexander Ostuni on 2008-06-08 09:24:21
Quote
['('%date%') ']%album%


Hello,

thank you very much. This works for me. But is it also possible to prevent the date from showing on the iPod ?

Cheers Alex
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Oceanborn13 on 2008-06-09 10:35:40
Hi!

Thank you for the wonderful plug-in. I've been using foobar2000 for many years in Windows, and your plug-in was the last nail on the coffin for any other music players.

Lately I've switched to Linux (foobar2000 was the only reason keeping me away from it), and I get foobar2000 working pretty well through WINE. However, I can't get your plug-in to work with it, and it keeps saying that no IPOD has been found.

Is there some trick I can do?

I apologize if this has come up before. Ijust find it annoying having to switch to Windows to load the IPOD.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-09 11:58:15
Hello,

thank you very much. This works for me. But is it also possible to prevent the date from showing on the iPod ?

Cheers Alex
That's not possible currently, you can refer back to my original reply.

Hi!

Thank you for the wonderful plug-in. I've been using foobar2000 for many years in Windows, and your plug-in was the last nail on the coffin for any other music players.

Lately I've switched to Linux (foobar2000 was the only reason keeping me away from it), and I get foobar2000 working pretty well through WINE. However, I can't get your plug-in to work with it, and it keeps saying that no IPOD has been found.

Is there some trick I can do?

I apologize if this has come up before. Ijust find it annoying having to switch to Windows to load the IPOD.
You could try connecting the iPod before starting foobar2000, but I don't think it will help. Anyway, you should file a bug against Wine.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2008-06-14 17:21:58
Hi MM.

I'm still experiencing issues synching my iPod Touch with foo_dop 0.6.2.1: apparently all files are sent every time I try this operation.

To test it, I erased my iPod, sent a Playlist of about 1000 songs and, when complete, tried a sync of the same playlist: all files where listed in the preview window as to be removed (and sent, of course).

Thanks for your time.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-06-14 17:36:17
I'm still experiencing issues synching my iPod Touch with foo_dop 0.6.2.1: apparently all files are sent every time I try this operation.

To test it, I erased my iPod, sent a Playlist of about 1000 songs and, when complete, tried a sync of the same playlist: all files where listed in the preview window as to be removed (and sent, of course).

I had a similar problem where about 140 files out of ~3000 on my 30GB iPod video were always getting re-synced.

Turns out that the tags Foobar2000 had cached for both the files in my media library and the files on my iPod were out of sync, so foo_dop always detected a discrepancy.

The solution - open the iPod library, select all files, choose "Tagging > Reload info from files" from the context menu, then do the same with the files in my foobar2000 library.

That sorted it out for good...

Of course, before doing this you can just open up the properties window for a file on your iPod and the same file in your media library and check if there's a difference...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2008-06-14 18:03:27
Turns out that the tags Foobar2000 had cached for both the files in my media library and the files on my iPod were out of sync, so foo_dop always detected a discrepancy.

The solution - open the iPod library, select all files, choose "Tagging > Reload info from files" from the context menu, then do the same with the files in my foobar2000 library.
Hi Leak and thanks for taking time to reply.

I confess I did not fully understand your explanation (how a foobar cache can affect operations on a freshly formatted iPod?) but nevertheless I followed the above instructions: unfortunately it made no difference.

I also tried reloading the tags of my playlist but still no luck.

Note that in my case all files seem to be synched, not just a subset (well, I didn't count the objects in the sync preview actually, so I'm not 100% sure of that).

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-14 23:19:55
mobyduck: It "should" work with files sent by foo_dop, but as you maybe know I don't have a touch to actually test. I can't see a reason why it shouldn't work, and also I'm sure it was working for someone else. Maybe you can experiment with just a few files to see if you can find out anything (but really, things are just a bit complicated with the iPhone/iPod touch). Are relevant is whether they are transcodes and whether you use other iPod management apps (iTunes or others).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2008-06-15 00:52:14
mobyduck: It "should" work with files sent by foo_dop, but as you maybe know I don't have a touch to actually test. I can't see a reason why it shouldn't work, and also I'm sure it was working for someone else. Maybe you can experiment with just a few files to see if you can find out anything (but really, things are just a bit complicated with the iPhone/iPod touch). Are relevant is whether they are transcodes and whether you use other iPod management apps (iTunes or others).
Hi musicmusic.

Yes, I understand it's not easy for you to support those devices.

Not sure what you mean with whether they are transcodes...

WRT other apps, I have iTunes installed but I only use foobar to manage my music.

Anyway, I can live with resetting my iPod and resending the whole playlist every once in a while... so thanks anyway for your work.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-15 10:19:26
Can you check whether they have a "yes" under "In DopDB" on "Manage contents"?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2008-06-15 21:54:57
Yes, selecting the playlist in Manage contents all songs are marked as "yes".

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-06-20 06:44:31
Okay... I've come up with an idea, but will need your help MusicMusic.

I want to dual boot my iPod in a non-traditional way.

That's not the poroblem here, the problem is this...
I want to change my iPod's music directory from:
"iPod:/iPod Control/Music"
to
"iPod:/iPod Control/Music1"

I am able to mod the iPod's firmware to look in the latter instead of the original path, but this didn't work. So I am guessing that the database that your foo_dop writes will also need to know of the change in directory.
Is there anyway of doing this???

At the end of it, I would like to have a dual boot with one firmware looking in "iPod:/iPod Control/Music1" for its music and the other firmware looking in "iPod:/iPod Control/Music2" for its music.
I can deal with the firmware part, but I need your help for the database bit.

Is there any such way of easily allowing such a change???


Cheers.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-20 10:53:59
You can't change the path foo_dop uses by default (well, if you are editing the firmware maybe you know how to edit the component). But you can do it manually if you put the tracks wherever you want and use "Send to iPod" (if you move the tracks using foobar2000, you can save the re-reading metadata part).

Or if you use something like Musi1 instead of Music1 then you can just edit the database with a hex-editor (I am assuming you don't have a current model which have hash protected databases, but that's easy to overcome anyway)..

But don't you also have the issue of making the component/iPod read two different databases?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-06-21 01:33:32
But don't you also have the issue of making the component/iPod read two different databases?

Where does the iPod get told to read your database? And does it Have to be called "dopdb"?

You can't change the path foo_dop uses by default (well, if you are editing the firmware maybe you know how to edit the component). But you can do it manually if you put the tracks wherever you want and use "Send to iPod" (if you move the tracks using foobar2000, you can save the re-reading metadata part).


So foo_dop reads the component/iPod and according to where the iPod tells it, this is where foo_dop will write the files to?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-21 07:38:18
No.. realistically you are going to need to have two iPod_Control directories.. There are various databases etc. (iTunesDB, ArtworkDB, ..) and you would need the two different firmware reading them , as well as the component. Where the component looks for the databases is coded into the component, you can't configure it.

Can't you just have your second firmware as maybe Rockbox or iPod linux and create a script for it that just renames directories so you can use it purely for switching between the two folders?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-06-21 23:06:06
Can you please explain 'component'?

I will get back to you on the two separate iPod_Control directories...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-22 00:18:32
The component in this case is "iPod manager" i.e. foo_dop.dll.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-06-22 02:58:27
Okay... I just edited all the strings in my firmware - at this point I'm just trying to see if it's possible to get the iPod to look at an entirely new directory before I start on the second firmware and the dual booting.

After editing about 30 or so strings from "iPod_Control" to "iPod_Contro1" it worked!!!

My iPod operates prefectly!

What I did was fully restore my iPod with iTunes so it was blank. I then synced one single song to my iPod also using iTunes. Uploaded the modded firmware and changed the name of the folder on the iPod from "iPod_Control" to "iPod_Contro1" and booted it up.
The song was found and the iPod played it. Even the album art was there.
Works a charm!

So now this is where your component foo_dop comes in right?
There is no way of changing or configuring the directory to which your component reads and writes?
To have more than one directory (two in my case) to choose from?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-22 10:11:47
Nope. My best suggestion was to have two iPod control directories, one active and one secondary, and have a second firmware (or whatever method you can concoct) that just swaps them. That doesn't require you to edit strings in the Apple firmware in the way you are doing or require any changes in foo_dop.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ice Devil on 2008-06-24 04:56:33
Just started using Foo_dop and I love it.  No problems here so far.  Everything works great on my G3 Nano. 

My favorite feature has to the the ReplayGain support for SoundCheck.  Speaking of which, if there was one minor feature request, it would be a ReplayGain option to  "Prevent clipping according to peak".  That would be extremely helpful to eliminate clipping, especially when boosting the SoundCheck adjustment up.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hayden54 on 2008-06-25 03:17:25
I'm just confused a bit about how to go about adding artwork to my ipod. I have some of artwork in album folders (i.e. \Music\Artist\Album\folder.jpg) and other random songs in other folders (i.e. \Music\Other Music\"%artist% - %album%.jpg")

I used to have this:

Code: [Select]
$if($cwb_fileexists($replace(%_path%,%_filename_ext%,)folder.jpg),folder.jpg,$if($cwb_fileexists($replace(%_path%,%_filename_ext%,)[%album artist% - %album%.jpg]),[%album artist% - %album%.jpg],))


But now that cwb_hooks isn't working with the 9.5.3, is there anway to have multiple sources??

Thanks in advance.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-25 11:18:02
Just started using Foo_dop and I love it.  No problems here so far.  Everything works great on my G3 Nano.
Always good to hear

My favorite feature has to the the ReplayGain support for SoundCheck.  Speaking of which, if there was one minor feature request, it would be a ReplayGain option to  "Prevent clipping according to peak".  That would be extremely helpful to eliminate clipping, especially when boosting the SoundCheck adjustment up.
It is probably possible to calculate a SoundCheck value from the peak value, but I am not sure how well it would actually work wrt eliminating clipping on the iPod (?) Also, admittedly, I am not sure how to work out a gain value from the scale factor..

I'm just confused a bit about how to go about adding artwork to my ipod. I have some of artwork in album folders (i.e. \Music\Artist\Album\folder.jpg) and other random songs in other folders (i.e. \Music\Other Music\"%artist% - %album%.jpg")

I used to have this:

Code: [Select]
$if($cwb_fileexists($replace(%_path%,%_filename_ext%,)folder.jpg),folder.jpg,$if($cwb_fileexists($replace(%_path%,%_filename_ext%,)[%album artist% - %album%.jpg]),[%album artist% - %album%.jpg],))


But now that cwb_hooks isn't working with the 9.5.3, is there anway to have multiple sources??

Thanks in advance.
You cannot have multple sources, but the foobar2000 artwork reader will pick up the folder.jpg, so you can use the configurable one to pick up the other one. Make sure you are using the latest foo_dop though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hayden54 on 2008-06-25 11:26:48
You cannot have multple sources, but the foobar2000 artwork reader will pick up the folder.jpg, so you can use the configurable one to pick up the other one. Make sure you are using the latest foo_dop though.


Thanks, I really should have figured that would work, since I'd manage to get all the pics working in ng playlist using that same method (although it was a bit more trial and error) 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobilia on 2008-06-25 17:29:41
Musicmusic,

Not sure if this belongs in this thread or the columns_ui thread, but here goes. Would it be possible to add a free space or battery charge indicator in the iPod Devices panel? (or maybe even status bar?)

I think it would top off to this otherwise fantastic plugin.

Thanks in advance and keep up the great work
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-25 20:57:41
Would it be possible to add a free space or battery charge indicator in the iPod Devices panel? (or maybe even status bar?)

Free space: Yes this is possible.
Battery charge: I'm not sure how iTunes does this. I had a nosey in the properties list and the best thing I could find was this:
Code: [Select]
<key>BatteryPollInterval</key>
<integer>30</integer>
(What's that, 30 seconds?)

But I don't know how it polls it.. I sniffed the USB bus for a few minutes, but I didn't find anything unfortunately.

Then there's the question of how it does it for the iPod touch/iPhone.. In that case it actually displays a battery level I believe. (Maybe it does for normal iPods as well, I'll run down my battery and check..)

I will have have to do some more digging about this.

I would like to display these in the panel but hmm I need to work out a way to make it fit in with the tree it uses. But it would be nice to make that panel a bit more useful..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2008-06-25 21:20:56
I've been adding a lot of new tracks to my iPod lately and I've thought of something the user should be shown before sending files to an iPod. Mutiple times, I've got a dialog while sending files telling me the iPod is full, which is quite annoying. I suggest a preview of a) free space on the iPod (like mobilia suggested) and b) an estimate of how much will be added/removed. Alternately a dialog after that in which you can decide which files to skip or something.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: d4g5h6 on 2008-06-25 22:41:04
Does anyone actually use "Load library and playlists"? It seems very cumbersome and I plan to remove it.


I've never used it, no.


I used it! I miss it now! I really miss this function (load ipod library and playlists) as I use foobar at work and home. Are there any workarounds that I have missed? I can't figure how to do this with manage contents.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-25 23:16:58
Mutiple times, I've got a dialog while sending files telling me the iPod is full, which is quite annoying.
What dialog is this?

b) an estimate of how much will be added/removed.
It's really not that straight forward, mainly because of transcodes. But I could add a setting so you can provide an estimate of the bitrate that will be produced.

I used it! I miss it now! I really miss this function (load ipod library and playlists) as I use foobar at work and home. Are there any workarounds that I have missed?
The replacement is the iPod Devices panel. I didn't make a popup version yet if you are using Default UI (since no-one seemed to need it, but I'll do it for next build if you do).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: d4g5h6 on 2008-06-25 23:22:57
[quote name='d4g5h6' post='573372' date='Jun 25 2008, 22:41']I used it! I miss it now! I really miss this function (load ipod library and playlists) as I use foobar at work and home. Are there any workarounds that I have missed?[/quote]The replacement is the iPod Devices panel. I didn't make a popup version yet if you are using Default UI (since no-one seemed to need it, but I'll do it for next build if you do).
[/quote]

Thanks dude! Don't bother making any changes
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2008-06-26 00:14:10
Mutiple times, I've got a dialog while sending files telling me the iPod is full, which is quite annoying.
What dialog is this?

The error dialog box saying "Error writing iTunesDB file : Device full".

EDIT: As well as the other error dialog box, "Error occured updating your iPod".
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Killmaster on 2008-06-26 08:36:55
Mutiple times, I've got a dialog while sending files telling me the iPod is full, which is quite annoying.
What dialog is this?

b) an estimate of how much will be added/removed.
It's really not that straight forward, mainly because of transcodes. But I could add a setting so you can provide an estimate of the bitrate that will be produced.

I used it! I miss it now! I really miss this function (load ipod library and playlists) as I use foobar at work and home. Are there any workarounds that I have missed?
The replacement is the iPod Devices panel. I didn't make a popup version yet if you are using Default UI (since no-one seemed to need it, but I'll do it for next build if you do).


Uhh yeah I think it'd be pretty reasonable to have it as something default UI users can use, I've been using default + facets ever since 0.9.5 came out and I didn't even know there was a devices panel.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-27 13:48:08
0.6.2.2 released, just a minor update. I tweaked things with sync on iPod touch/iPhones so it may work better for those with problems.

Also, I figured out the battery thing for the iPod classic/nano 3G. I added the status to "Properties" on the menu.

Note: This requires the Apple iPod driver to be installed. It actually comes with the Apple Mobile Device Support part of iTunes, maybe it is on Windows Update as well.

For raw data I have observed "0 / 2 / 100" and "0 / 3 / 100". If you see any other values, please let me know.

The error dialog box saying "Error writing iTunesDB file : Device full".
I will make it handle low space conditions a bit better so you shouldn't hit that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2008-06-27 21:19:44
0.6.2.2 released, just a minor update. I tweaked things with sync on iPod touch/iPhones so it may work better for those with problems.
Nice job!

Sync problem solved for me, thanks so much.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-06-28 01:31:39
MusicMusic -
How do I change the hard coded directory in foo_dop? Hex editor or?
What was this .dll written in? I just want to try something....

Cheers
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2008-06-28 08:09:03
I've been using foo_dop for a while now and I appreciate having it around. I'm now wondering if it can help me with a problem. Basically, I lost the ID3v2 tags on 284 of my MP3s, but the tags still exist in my iPod library. (I can see all 6,000 of my songs' tags, intact, in the Manage Contents window and in Floola.) Is there any way that foo_dop can access the iPod database's tags in a way that will allow me to copy them back to those files? Or rewrite the ID3 tags using the iPod database? I really don't want to have to spend hours figuring out which track is which and then retyping all of those tags, and foo_dop just might be awesome enough to help with this, I figured. Thanks for any assistance.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rme on 2008-06-28 13:34:40
I have an ipod nano and the new version of foo-dop 0.6.2.2.7 and foobar 0.9.5.3 crashes when i insert the ipod. version 0.6.2.1.7 works fine with no crash.  I have tried new version with itunes setting the ipod to manually mange the disk on and off.

error file starts with:

Illegal operation:
Code: C0000005h, flags: 00000000h, address: 00D7A9F0h
Access violation, operation: read, address: 00000000h

Also, could you consider an option to autodisconnect the ipod after syncing or or sending playlists to ipod?

Lastly, I tried adding a button on the foobar button bar to context menu\ipod\sync with ipod instead of having to go to the menu or right click on the playlist.  The button doesn't show the icon from the ipod devices panel in columns ui and the button also is not able to launch sync with ipod.  Am I doing something wrong here?

Regarding artwork, I think I read it somewhere that this isn't available, but is there a way to send embedded tagged artwork to the ipod thu foo_dop?

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aphasia on 2008-06-28 13:43:06
I've been using foo_dop for a while now and I appreciate having it around. I'm now wondering if it can help me with a problem. Basically, I lost the ID3v2 tags on 284 of my MP3s, but the tags still exist in my iPod library. (I can see all 6,000 of my songs' tags, intact, in the Manage Contents window and in Floola.) Is there any way that foo_dop can access the iPod database's tags in a way that will allow me to copy them back to those files? Or rewrite the ID3 tags using the iPod database? I really don't want to have to spend hours figuring out which track is which and then retyping all of those tags, and foo_dop just might be awesome enough to help with this, I figured. Thanks for any assistance.


Select the appropriate MP3s on the iPod, go to the properties window, select all and copy. Then, select the tracks missing the ID3v2 tags, go to properties window, select all and paste.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-06-28 13:48:33
Lastly, I tried adding a button on the foobar button bar to context menu\ipod\sync with ipod instead of having to go to the menu or right click on the playlist.  The button doesn't show the icon from the ipod devices panel in columns ui and the button also is not able to launch sync with ipod.  Am I doing something wrong here?

Can't help you with the icon, but you probably want "[Main menu item] File/iPod/Synchronise...", which works fine for me.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rme on 2008-06-28 14:57:43
Can't help you with the icon, but you probably want "[Main menu item] File/iPod/Synchronise...", which works fine for me.

Were you able to get an icon on the button bar for an ipod or only the text?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2008-06-28 18:44:09
Select the appropriate MP3s on the iPod, go to the properties window, select all and copy. Then, select the tracks missing the ID3v2 tags, go to properties window, select all and paste.

Thanks for your reply. The problem is that I can't access a screen in which the tags are visible and selectable. The only way that I'm aware of to view the iPod database (as is) using foo_dop is to use the Manage Contents window, and you can't do any tag operations in that window. (Additionally, the file order is different than the iPod Media Library tab in fb2k's main window.)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-28 18:46:55
I have an ipod nano and the new version of foo-dop 0.6.2.2.7 and foobar 0.9.5.3 crashes when i insert the ipod. version 0.6.2.1.7 works fine with no crash.  I have tried new version with itunes setting the ipod to manually mange the disk on and off.

error file starts with:

Illegal operation:
Code: C0000005h, flags: 00000000h, address: 00D7A9F0h
Access violation, operation: read, address: 00000000h
Can you post the complete log please (in [codebox ] tags)? The crash log will be saved in your foobar2000 profile folder.

[edit] Never mind, I believe I know what the problem is..

I uploaded a new build 0.6.2.3 please try that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-06-28 20:04:50
Were you able to get an icon on the button bar for an ipod or only the text?

No icon, of course - I just labeled it "Sync". I'm pretty sure the there's no default icon for the iPod (nor do I think that a plugin can specify it's own images, but I might be wrong), but you can of course specify a custom icon; taking a screenshot and editing it a bit should do the trick.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rme on 2008-06-28 21:43:01
[edit] Never mind, I believe I know what the problem is..

I uploaded a new build 0.6.2.3 please try that.


Yes, working now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-06-28 22:44:30
Any comment on my last post??

And just a question...
When foo_dop writes the album art db, does it read the album art from either the ID3 tag itself or the specified file and store this image in a 'small album art' and 'large album art' format?
Like the two album art sizes you see on the iPod... are these sizes chosen when the album art db is written, or are they simply the original pixel size as was stored? Eg: I store mine in my ID3 tags with the pixel ration 300:300. When the db is written, is this taken and shrunken... or is that further down the line in the firmware department?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-29 00:10:10
Sync problem solved for me, thanks so much.
Ah good

What was this .dll written in?
I'm not sure I want to know what you mean.... but anyway I can't really help you with hacking the component, sorry.

Also, could you consider an option to autodisconnect the ipod after syncing or or sending playlists to ipod?
Hmm I find it relatively straight forward using safely remove hardware or the component's menu item.

Just some ideas:
-Right click in the system notification area and on the customise notification icons screen set it to always show the safely remove hardware icon.
-Single left click the safely remove hardware icon, not right click etc.

The button doesn't show the icon from the ipod devices panel in columns ui
Well that's just an icon of an iPod, it doesn't indicate the action of synchronisation so much (do you want all the commands to have the same icon? ) If you like it so much you can extract it with some resource extracting program and select it manually, but designing icons for all the commands is slightly time-consuming..

the button also is not able to launch sync with ipod.  Am I doing something wrong here?
If you want to use the context command, you need to select a context, have another look.

Regarding artwork, I think I read it somewhere that this isn't available, but is there a way to send embedded tagged artwork to the ipod thu foo_dop?
Just enable the use of the foobar2000 artwork reader and it will read embedded artwork.

Thanks for your reply. The problem is that I can't access a screen in which the tags are visible and selectable. The only way that I'm aware of to view the iPod database (as is) using foo_dop is to use the Manage Contents window, and you can't do any tag operations in that window. (Additionally, the file order is different than the iPod Media Library tab in fb2k's main window.)
But then are you saying the files on the iPod and computer lost their tags but the iPod database is OK (?) I am not sure how such a thing would happen, but there is no way to export the actual contents of the database using the component unfortunately.

Are you sure though no tags show up if you use "Load library"? I mean the component would have set the metadata in the database from that in the tags which means one of two things:
-you modified the tags of the files directly on the iPod
-the problem is not due to a change in the tags but some change in reading them
-or there is some other iPod app or something involved

You may be able to find some utils to export the database to XML or smth if you do some digging around on Google etc..

When the db is written, is this taken and shrunken...
That is correct.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rme on 2008-06-29 01:48:44
Also, could you consider an option to autodisconnect the ipod after syncing or or sending playlists to ipod?
Hmm I find it relatively straight forward using safely remove hardware or the component's menu item.

Just some ideas:
-Right click in the system notification area and on the customise notification icons screen set it to always show the safely remove hardware icon.
-Single left click the safely remove hardware icon, not right click etc.


Actually, I was trying to save those steps.  iTunes added the same function where it automatically disconnects the ipod after syncing because you typically are done after a sync and want to get moving on.

BTW, got the sync button working, thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hayden54 on 2008-06-29 03:34:07
Just a quick question: When sending files to the ipod and it says how many files are remaining i.e "16 remaining", why does it change from numeric to words when 10 and below? It just looks a little strange.
Could you please change this back to digits, or if not, capitalise the first letter of each word.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2008-06-29 06:31:00
Are you sure though no tags show up if you use "Load library"? I mean the component would have set the metadata in the database from that in the tags which means one of two things:
-you modified the tags of the files directly on the iPod
-the problem is not due to a change in the tags but some change in reading them
-or there is some other iPod app or something involved

Yes, actually, I used Floola's option to back up artwork to my files. (Sorry that I didn't mention it before.) It didn't work correctly (http://www.floola.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=676&start=0) and now I'm in this situation. (It was my fault being so hasty to try it without securing a backup.) Indeed, when I reload the database in fb2k, the 284 files' tags are missing; but when I use Manage Contents (or use Floola), things look just fine. Well, if anyone has recommendations for me, I'm open. Many thanks, musicmusic, for your help and for such a great plug-in.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: psychodelicate on 2008-06-29 23:36:36
Can you post the complete log please (in [codebox ] tags)? The crash log will be saved in your foobar2000 profile folder.

[edit] Never mind, I believe I know what the problem is..

I uploaded a new build 0.6.2.3 please try that.


I was experiencing the same crash, and the new build fixed it. Thanks musicmusic.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-06-30 02:09:04
I just want to thank you again for a Very nice component!    A lot better than being stuck with iTunes.

I believe this was asked, but I can't remember if it got answered - will this plugin ever support photo and video syncing??
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-30 12:36:29
I found out how to do some more stuff with the iPod touch/iPhone, so I need someone to test

Someone with an iPod touch or iPhone please grab this version (http://yuo.be/download/8DF98A0D-EF8D-44cd-818C-B9D5DC537A55/foo_dop-0.6.2.3-exp.7z), and click the "Run Test" button on the on the mobile devices prefs page. It should popup with loads of random information if I did everything right.

Assuming it works: Please paste this info here (or PM if you prefer). There will be some personal info (serial number, IMEI, ..) please censor those values out.

If it doesn't work, tell me what happens :B
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-06-30 18:24:59
I ran the new test version and got this:

Code: [Select]
1:

2:

3:

4:

4:
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2008-06-30 19:16:27
I ran the new test version and got this:

Code: [Select]
1:

2:

3:

4:

4:
Same here.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-30 19:21:29
Strange, not quite what I wanted :/

I uploaded a new build (http://yuo.be/download/8DF98A0D-EF8D-44cd-818C-B9D5DC537A55/foo_dop-0.6.2.3-exp.7z) - slightly more debug output, may give some insight as to why it's not working.

Also check if timing matters, for example try it just after the component recognises the device or just try it a few times.

[edit] uploaded an alternate build (http://yuo.be/download/8DF98A0D-EF8D-44cd-818C-B9D5DC537A55/foo_dop-0.6.2.3-exp3.7z) to try also, this one will automatically popup with the box after it detects the device.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-06-30 19:52:09
I've ran the second version, came up with this:

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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-30 20:02:35
Aha cool

It didn't display all the data properly because of a typo - can you try this build (http://yuo.be/download/8DF98A0D-EF8D-44cd-818C-B9D5DC537A55/foo_dop-0.6.2.3-exp4.7z)? Thanks

BTW use [codebox ] tags rather than [code ] ones, saves some space
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-06-30 20:08:12
Code: [Select]
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Ref: 065E3F20
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Ref: 065E3DF8
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Ref: 065E2348
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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-30 20:30:52
Perfect!  Very useful, thanks, this is the missing info I was always looking for.

So it works from the automatic popup box but not from the prefs page? Hmm probably thread related.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-06-30 21:12:05
No, the data can be accessed in the preferences menu also. What features are you planning to use this info for? I've noticed that there is a battery indicator.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-30 21:39:30
No, the data can be accessed in the preferences menu also.
OK. But then I'm not quite sure why it didn't work first time then..

What features are you planning to use this info for?
Various things:
1. So I don't need to hardcode the artwork formats (for these devices), I can obtain them using this method now. This ensures better compatibility with future devices etc.
2. So you will be able to view some basic info using the Properties command like normal iPods.
3. Battery status.
4. Maybe some other stuff, I don't know yet if this disk usage stuff is of any use.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-06-30 22:01:34
Great work on this component so far!

I'm having a bit of trouble sending some flac encoded albums to my ipod touch. For albums of less than 10 tracks, when I send them to the ipod (nero aac encoded) i get an error message saying that the first and last tracks could not be added to the ipod as conversion failed. I can send these tracks individually and they transfer fine. Also albums of 10 tracks or more do not seem to be affected.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-30 22:31:09
Was that with version 0.6.2.3?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-06-30 22:36:15
Yes, since 0.6.2 if I remember correctly.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-30 23:03:59
Try 0.6.2.3, if it doesn't work please write down the exact error message (screenshot if you like).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-06-30 23:28:02
Here is what I get with 0.6.2.3

Screenshot (http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/pnjman/Random/Untitled.jpg)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-06-30 23:34:52
Is that embedded cuesheet / chapters? (edit: clearly yes) Maybe that's something to do with it, I'll check..

[edit] I can reproduce, looking into the problem..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-01 01:16:09
It should be rectified in 0.6.2.4, but please verify. Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2008-07-01 19:20:15
New version working great thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rme on 2008-07-01 22:15:29
Is there any way to autostart foobar when an ipod is connected instead of iTunes?

I tried turning off start itunes when this ipod connects in itunes.  Then created an autostart handler for foobar in tweakui from microsoft and associated it with mixed content and music files but when I attach an ipod, foobar doesn't start.

Thanks for your help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-02 00:32:55
iTunes does so by registering itself with iPodService which is what detects when the iPod is connected. There isn't any documentation for the iPodService API so using it is somewhat tricky (I did once, then it broke with a new version of iTunes..) The other alternative is the component having it's own service but anyway it doesn't..

You could try messing with an autorun.inf file on your iPod; I don't know if that will get satisfactory results though..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rme on 2008-07-02 00:53:40
thanks for the input.  I was surprised that just setting up a ms handler for autorun when the f: drive is attached didn't work.  No autorun ever happened and couldn't be forced to happen.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: corganzero0 on 2008-07-02 20:40:52
Does anyone have an old version of this plugin that is compatible with 0.9.4? I'd really appreciate a quick upload or something....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: darrel on 2008-07-05 02:09:58
I just upgraded to the latest version 0.6.2.4 and now foo_dop can't add files to my iPod: Failed to add file to iPod: path is too long. The "path" is something like: E:\Music\Music\Violin\Track 01.mp3.

I have songs with English names and Chinese names. I tried both synchronization and sending playlists. What's going on??
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-05 07:36:45
What is the iPod's drive letter?

[edit] Well anyway it was surely E:.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: darrel on 2008-07-05 09:10:51
What is the iPod's drive letter?


Actually you are right! The music was stored in E: but iPod took the drive letter somehow. It's fixed now.

Cheers!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: viniciusferrao on 2008-07-08 17:31:22
I have two question.

I store all my music in .CUE format with a compatible .FLAC, .APE or .WV

So I get foo_dop to do the automatic conversion, everything works fine, except lyrics.

First I just wanna to know how I can check if ReplayGain information is passed correctly to iPOD using the automatic conversion of foo_dop

Second, I can't use the Lyrics function. Can't add LYRICS METAFLAG TAG to my Cuesheets, dunno how to do this.

Any help will be appreciated and sorry my poor english.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2008-07-10 06:08:21
One quick question that searching hasn't given me an answer too: Can I add artwork to files already on the iPod? Many thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2008-07-10 07:33:14
One quick question that searching hasn't given me an answer too: Can I add artwork to files already on the iPod? Many thanks.


no, you should reload the file - that's the only way.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-07-11 14:27:51
Sigh....Apple at it again.

I have not really had a whole lot of time to play with it yet, but it appears right now that the iPhone 2.0 firmware is unable to read a database written by this program.  This morning before work I decided to send a few files to the device.  It had a bunch of podcasts and a working file database with the new iTunes 7.7 and the iPhone running 2.0 firmware.  After sending music, the device's iPod program now says that there is no content on the device, either as podcast or as music.

Going back into foobar2000 and loading the library, I am still able to play the files as before, so they are on the device and healthy.  I am guessing that something in the new software has changed the database in some way, and it opts not to read files written as the old type.

I know iPhone support is so terribly cumbersome to keep up with, and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you just opted not to bother with it.  However, let me know if there's anything I can provide to help you debug this should you decide to pursue another Apple headache.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-11 14:48:01
They have possibly changed the hashing algo..

BTW did you update through an official method or the manual one (by downloading the file floating around)? If you did it manually, be warned that "iPhone1,2" refers to the iPhone 3G whilst "iPhone1,1" is the normal iPhone, they have two separate .ipsw files (the hashing algo could be a difference)..

Otherwise I can at least check the obvious things, if you provide a database (iTunesDB) written by iTunes and the output from the special version from before (http://yuo.be/download/8DF98A0D-EF8D-44cd-818C-B9D5DC537A55/foo_dop-0.6.2.3-exp4.7z) (do not use that version for anything else, it is an old build).

One other thing, if you go through 'Load library', and open the properties of one of the files, does it still have the long string of letters/numbers in the path after "applemobiledevice://" ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-07-11 16:38:49
I used the "leaked" copy of the firmware last night.  After reading your post, I decided it would be best to update through the "official" method just in case there was some difference....and the iTunes activation servers are completely dead.  Myself and 1000s of other people ware waiting for them to come back online, and we are all stuck in semi-brick mode until the update can be validated.

I'll do some testing whenever they come back online, probably tomorrow.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-11 17:00:19
OK. It probably did but I would double check that iTunes downloaded the correct update since you had the other one on there. For iPods they are stored at "%appdata%\Apple Computer\iTunes\iPod Software Updates", possibly "%appdata%\Apple Computer\iTunes\iPhone Software Updates" for iPhones. If you need it the ipsw file should be this one:
Code: [Select]
http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPhone/061-4956.20080710.V50OI/iPhone1,1_2.0_5A347_Restore.ipsw
Comparing the filename would be enough.

It is more likely that they would only (intentionally) change the hashing method for the iPhone 3G, because it is a bit of a hassle changing it for existing devices (it would affect the database already on there), but anything is possible.. We will find out what is going on
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-07-11 21:09:25
Upgrading from 1.x to 2.0 required all data on the device to be wiped and all music/videos to be re-downloaded, so the probably did change the database somewhat

Looks like the activation servers are back up, and I am now upgraded with the official push, so I'll run through some tests and see what happens.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-11 22:27:55
Yes I wondered about that but it seems like a complete backup of the device:
Quote
Normally if you choose to update, the iPhone or iPod touch software is updated but your settings and media are not affected. If your device currently has a software version prior to 2.0 (1.x) and you are updating to software version 2.0 or later, all data on your device will be erased in order to perform install the new software. In this case, iTunes will offer to create a one-time media backup of your device depending on what content is on your device and what content is stored in the iTunes Library you are connected to. You should ensure that you have enough free space on your Mac or PC to accommodate a backup that matches the capacity of your iPhone or iPod touch (4 GB, 8 GB, 16 GB, or 32 GB) if you proceed with the this backup.

My feeling is that if that was to make some changes to the database, they could do that in-place. Maybe they are repartitioning the drive or something..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-07-11 22:45:34
OK, With the official firmware push, I send all of my video and podcasts to the device with iTunes in the official way, and it all works great.  I then send along some mp3 files with foo_dop, it copies them fine, the device shows the "sync in progress" screen like normal, but now the iPod application says "No Content".  I can load the library and play the files that are on the iPhone through fb2k just fine.

The worst part is that iTunes now see the device, but all other options other than "Restore" are hidded, and I get a message saying that I need to restore the device because iTunes cannot read from it.

Attached is a zip file containing a text file of the Test Results from your previous foo_dop, a copy of iTunesDB written by iTunes 7.7 to iPhone 2.0, and a copy of iTunesDB after foo_dop tries to add some mp3 files.

Hope it all helps.

Edit: Yes, when I do a load library, it still shows the files as applemobiledevice:// follow by the long string of letters and numbers,,,,
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-11 22:52:58
Thank you, I'll take a look, you can remove the link if you want (it has some serial numbers and what not).

Yes one of the reasons iTunes behaves like that is if it fails to verify the hash..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-11 23:24:13
I sent you a message

Also, you should be able shut iTunes up about the restore thing by restoring the iTunesDB it wrote (close iTunes first).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dopper on 2008-07-12 00:32:40

  confused
I am a long time user of foobar and I just recently decided to try and use this plugin to move music to and from my collection.  It looks awsome. But I have some difficulties. 


I am using the following:

Foobar2000: v0.9.5.4
foo_dop-0.6.2.4.7
iPod Nano 3G Silver
Firmware version: 1.1.2

Music transfers to and from ipod with no troubles, I can play the music in foobar with no troubles but music transfered onto the ipod from foobar will not play on the ipod.  The titles/album art show up on the ipod as expected but the files will not play...it attempts but then goes back to the list.

I used itunes to transfer the exact same mp3 files to the ipod and the files play as expected. 

Is there a trouble-shooting guide somewhere that I can go to that perhaps would have a solution to this problem.  Or perhaps some of you veteran foo_pods can help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-12 00:49:49
Can you upload one of these files to e.g. yousendit.com and PM me the link? I will check it. Please also zip the file to preserve the filename.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-07-12 00:50:36
@dopper:

I had this same issue a while back with files showing up, playing fine everywheree except the iPod. What I did to fix the problem was to right click the problem files, then "Rebuild MP3 Stream". Just try it on ONE of your problem files and see if it fixes it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-12 08:25:26
I released a new build to test with iPhone with 2.0 software. I do not know if it works or how well.

Note: Do not use it with any other iPod model, it will not work!

RainDawg, you can try this instead..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dopper on 2008-07-12 18:24:16
Thanks for the reply Keikonium

I tried "Rebuild MP3 Stream" and other options under utils, but still no luck.
I also tried 2 other ipods:  IPOD Nano 2Gig v1.1.3 and IPOD 4G U2 v3.1.1 and they experienced the same problem. 
I installed the applications on a different PC and same thing...

Dan
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-07-12 20:59:55
0.6.2.5 exhibits the same behavior as we discussed in our PM exchange....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aurelio on 2008-07-12 21:41:00
RainDawg, does your iPhone work in mass storage mode?
My new iPhone 3G not, so foo_dop seems unable to recognise it...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-07-13 03:51:42
RainDawg, does your iPhone work in mass storage mode?
My new iPhone 3G not, so foo_dop seems unable to recognise it...


Not sure what mass storage mode is....you can't (officially) use it to store files other than what iTunes would send.  foo_dop recognizes the device under 2.0 just fine, it just doesn't write an iTunes database that compatible with whatever it is looking for.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-13 09:50:25
0.6.2.5 exhibits the same behavior as we discussed in our PM exchange....
Hmm blah then it's just the minor part of the problem.. I will remove that version since it does nothing useful, and do some more investigating.

Thanks for the reply Keikonium

I tried "Rebuild MP3 Stream" and other options under utils, but still no luck.
I also tried 2 other ipods:  IPOD Nano 2Gig v1.1.3 and IPOD 4G U2 v3.1.1 and they experienced the same problem. 
I installed the applications on a different PC and same thing...

Dan
See my reply.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aurelio on 2008-07-13 16:40:39
Not sure what mass storage mode is....you can't (officially) use it to store files other than what iTunes would send.

You got the point
iPhone 3G is shown in explorer only for imaging support.

Quote
foo_dop recognizes the device under 2.0 just fine

I don't know if you hacked your 2.0 in some way - my device is not being recognized. I activated "Enable mobile device support" and restarted foobar, but foo_dop keeps saying: "No iPod found!"
My scenario:
iPhone 3G
iTunes 7.7 with Apple Mobile Device service running
Vista x64 SP1
fb2k v0.9.5.4
foo_dop 0.6.2.5
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shfx on 2008-07-13 16:43:24
When will foo_dop support firmware 2.0? I have an iPod touch 16GB FW2.0 and foo_dop can't find the ipod
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-13 17:38:24
I don't know if you hacked your 2.0 in some way - my device is not being recognized. I activated "Enable mobile device support" and restarted foobar, but foo_dop keeps saying: "No iPod found!"
Take a look in the foobar2000 console. It should say something like "Listening for Apple Mobile Devices" on start-up, or otherwise some error, and there is usually a message when the iPhone is connected.

Note that if it was not clear the 0.6.2.5 won't work completely correctly anyway. But if I understood correctly, opening and closing iTunes after using that build only will add the hash/whatever to the database so the iPhone accepts it. If anyone wants to play around with that build it is still available here (http://yuo.be/download/8DF98A0D-EF8D-44cd-818C-B9D5DC537A55/foo_dop-0.6.2.5.7z).

When will foo_dop support firmware 2.0? I have an iPod touch 16GB FW2.0 and foo_dop can't find the ipod
It should find the iPod touch.. as above check what is going on in the console. Are you on 64-bit OS also?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shfx on 2008-07-13 18:47:46
Ok, it sees it now.  Will it sync correctly though?  When i go to ipod properties it says:

Failed to send SCSI Inquiry command: Not supported on iPod touch and iPhone
Trying to read SysInfo. Model may not be identified if SCSI Inquiry failed due to denied access.

Failed to read SysInfo: Object not found

:/
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2008-07-13 18:56:51
Older versions of foo_dop allowed you to load your iPod playlists into fb2k (for editing and reuploading, or just for playing in fb2k). I upgraded from an older version of foo_dop (not sure which one) several weeks ago but it seems that this functionality has been removed. How can I edit iPod playlists now? (I'm not expected to reconstruct them, am I?)

Thanks for any help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-13 20:02:48
Ok, it sees it now.  Will it sync correctly though?  When i go to ipod properties it says:

Failed to send SCSI Inquiry command: Not supported on iPod touch and iPhone
Trying to read SysInfo. Model may not be identified if SCSI Inquiry failed due to denied access.

Failed to read SysInfo: Object not found

:/
Properties is not currently supported on iPod touch/iPhone..

No, syncing etc. does not work correctly with iPhone software 2.0. (Yes I know you have an iPod touch but Apple still call it iPhone 2.0 software (http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/whatsnew.html)....)

Older versions of foo_dop allowed you to load your iPod playlists into fb2k (for editing and reuploading, or just for playing in fb2k). I upgraded from an older version of foo_dop (not sure which one) several weeks ago but it seems that this functionality has been removed. How can I edit iPod playlists now? (I'm not expected to reconstruct them, am I?)

Thanks for any help.
You can load playlists into foobar2000 from View/iPod devices.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shfx on 2008-07-13 20:13:03
Is there any info when 2.0 will be supported?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2008-07-13 20:15:51
You can load playlists into foobar2000 from View/iPod devices.

Awesome. Many thanks. I wouldn't have guessed that it'd be there.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-13 20:44:05
Is there any info when 2.0 will be supported?
I don't know at the moment, it depends on what the exact problem is. Hopefully it's just some minor database changes but we'll see..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: HannaH on 2008-07-13 23:30:52
foobar 9.5.2
foo_dop v. 6.2.4

I've tried everything that I could think of to successfully put artwork for music that is already on my ipod.  Foobar's built in artwork finder sees all of the artwork with no problems but when I try to use "Update metadata on ipod" it doesn't transfer the artwork or even update the tags on the ipod.  It simply does nothing.  I know that the tags on the ipod are not updated because if I try to sync with the ipod playlist I've created in foobar it wants to delete nearly all of my songs and re-upload them. 

Alternately, if I use the "Send to ipod" command then the artwork is added.

I would really rather use a combination of update metadata and sync playlist than have to send to ipod.  Am I doing something wrong or is this not working for other people?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shfx on 2008-07-14 00:20:37
Is there any info when 2.0 will be supported?
I don't know at the moment, it depends on what the exact problem is. Hopefully it's just some minor database changes but we'll see..


And I don't want to sound pushy, because I know you guys do this for free and I know nothing about the code and such to sync with an ipod, but do you know if a version might come out in the next few days or have you guys not had the time to look into it yet?  Im just asking because I leave on vacation in a week, and I need my music 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-14 01:13:07
I've tried everything that I could think of to successfully put artwork for music that is already on my ipod.  Foobar's built in artwork finder sees all of the artwork with no problems but when I try to use "Update metadata on ipod" it doesn't transfer the artwork or even update the tags on the ipod.  It simply does nothing.
You need to run it on the results from "Load library". It will try and add artwork based upon the original path of the file originally sent to the iPod; it should pick up the same stuff as through send files. Does that not work for you?

I know that the tags on the ipod are not updated because if I try to sync with the ipod playlist I've created in foobar it wants to delete nearly all of my songs and re-upload them.
well that command does not update the files on the iPod, only the database, so this doesn't relate to it.

And I don't want to sound pushy, because I know you guys do this for free and I know nothing about the code and such to sync with an ipod, but do you know if a version might come out in the next few days or have you guys not had the time to look into it yet?  Im just asking because I leave on vacation in a week, and I need my music 
It's not likely to be done in a few days. There is a 46 or 44 byte hash structure that Apple added at some point, but I don't have it confirmed this is the problem. If it is then it depends on someone finding the algorithm (bearing in mind Apple really doesn't want anyone doing that).

Now there is the workaround using 0.6.2.5 I mentioned a few posts above which I believe works, but I don't have that completely confirmed. Feel free to try and confirm but be prepared to restore if there are problems.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-15 18:30:37
Update on iPhone 2.0 software compatibility

Apple have again protected the iTunesDB database from third party modification by means of a cryptographic signature. The signature they previously used is no longer present in the database. The new signature is 46 bytes at position 112 (72h) in the iTunesDB database. The first two bytes are always 01 00 so far (maybe version indicator), the next 44 bytes seem to be the main part of the signature. These bytes are some function of a unique device identifier and a SHA-1 hash.

Without knowing how to produce a valid signature that is accepted by the device, proper support for software 2.0 is not possible. Of course, this happened previously (http://ipodminusitunes.blogspot.com/) and was overcome, however the circumstances are somewhat different this time, I would not expect anything soon.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kcme on 2008-07-15 18:48:27
Great plugin, thanks. mp3 transfer has been working flawlessly.

I'm having a problem using the conversion feature. When I try to send a FLAC file to my ipod, I get the error

"Failure to add to iPod:Conversion failed - Unexpected process exit code 00000001h"

I've tried with both lame 3.97 and lame 3.98. The conversion parameters I am using are taken from the foo_dop wiki:

Code: [Select]
-S -noreplaygain -V 5 -vbr-new - %d


Using foobar to first convert the file and then send is working, but I'd like to get this feature working, without the intermediate step. Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-15 19:39:47
It seems like the wiki ate some hyphens.. Fixed now, thanks. The correct command is:
Code: [Select]
-S --noreplaygain -V 5 --vbr-new - %d

Although I don't believe the latest version of LAME needs --vbr-new.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zzeitg on 2008-07-16 14:30:56
Hi everybody,

I am new to iPod and also first time trying to integrate the foo_dop plugin into Foobar.

So far I did not manage to send music to iPod.

When I select files, right-click, choose "iPod" and "Send To iPod", file copying process runs and files are really copied into iPod (location iPod_Control\Music), but it looks like they are not written into the music library.

Another problem appeared when I tried to click Manage contents or Synchronize library. A window appears with warning "Error reading ArtworkDB database: bad allocation".  (this is where my ArtworkDB is located: iPod_Control\Artwork\ArtworkDB ).

I would welcome any kind of help to make this running, 'cause I really like Foobar (and dislike iTunes..).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-16 14:47:07
Possibly the ArtworkDB file is corrupted, did you use any other third party iPod managers? I would do a chkdsk and then restore the iPod with iTunes.

Also it should give an error if there was some problem writing the database after copying the file, so it should be there, you can use 'Load library' to check what's in the database, but that command most likely won't work due to your other problem.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zzeitg on 2008-07-16 16:55:19
What exactly do you mean by "chkdsk"?

Load library function works, but is shows all music in iPod - except those files I tried to add using Foobar+foo_dop.

Btw. I have iPod "classic" with 1.1.2 software version.

EDIT: I found what was wrong... From some reason iPod "disliked" one music album (I did not find why - tags are correct and files are mp3.)
Now I tested with other albums and it works fine.

Another question: when I load the library from iPod in Foobar, should I be able to see album art or not?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2008-07-16 17:43:04
No, you will not be able to see the album art in fb2k. The important part is that you see it on the iPod screen. If you do see the album art, then you are good to go.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-16 18:01:29
zzeitg: Well how did you get rid of "bad allocation" error? Not sure if they help but I added a couple of FAQ entries.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zzeitg on 2008-07-16 21:56:21
zzeitg: Well how did you get rid of "bad allocation" error? Not sure if they help but I added a couple of FAQ entries.


Well yes, the error with bad allocation fixed itself...

After an hour of playing with iPod and adding some music, I have to call back the information that now sending files to iPod works well.

I encountered a problem that albums added by foo_dop suddenly disappeared from iPod, while those albums added by iTunes remained. Of course, the files disappeared only from the library. I also tried iTunes alternative called Floola and it has a function to find music files which are not recognized by iPod. And yes, all the files added by foo_dop were listed there. Therefore I have one question - could it be a problem that Foobar and iTunes run both at the same time? Or could it be that iTunes sync makes some modification of the library?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-16 22:00:52
Yes! When you exit iTunes or whenever it feels like it it will rewrite the iPod's database - so you will lose changes made by foo_dop whilst iTunes was running! I will add that to the FAQ.

Also, foo_dop has the same functionality - "Recover orphaned files" in the main menu.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zzeitg on 2008-07-17 07:37:31
Yes! When you exit iTunes or whenever it feels like it it will rewrite the iPod's database - so you will lose changes made by foo_dop whilst iTunes was running! I will add that to the FAQ.

Also, foo_dop has the same functionality - "Recover orphaned files" in the main menu.


OK, now I understand why part of my music disappeared. Just to make sure - this happens only when both iTunes and Foobar are on at the same time? Or could it happen whenever I enter iTunes?

Different question: what about foo_dop and last.fm? Is there a chance to scrobble songs from iPod to Last.fm only using Foobar?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2008-07-17 07:48:26
Different question: what about foo_dop and last.fm? Is there a chance to scrobble songs from iPod to Last.fm only using Foobar?
Yes, just install the foo_audioscrobbler (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=44320) plugin and, after connecting the iPod, do any operation that touches it (eg. Rewrite database).

HTH.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zzeitg on 2008-07-17 10:16:38
Thank you, it works!

I guess now I need iTunes for iPod firmware upgrade only...)

I really enjoy all these features: instant "send to iPod", automatic album art conversion (from folder.jpg), last.fm integration (with audioscrobbler) and even sync possibility.

What I have to try later is the file format conversion. What would you recommend - lame or nero? And what are the "input" formats of files, which should be converted in order to play in iPod? I mean can I convert any music format or only some of them?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-17 14:22:25
Just to make sure - this happens only when both iTunes and Foobar are on at the same time? Or could it happen whenever I enter iTunes?
If you use foo_dop whilst iTunes is open you will get problems. It's OK to use iTunes at other times (see new FAQ entry though).

What I have to try later is the file format conversion. What would you recommend - lame or nero? And what are the "input" formats of files, which should be converted in order to play in iPod? I mean can I convert any music format or only some of them?
Only files in a format that is not supported by the iPod (but supported by foobar2000) will be converted. For example, FLAC, WavPack, TAK, Vorbis, Musepack,..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2008-07-17 15:14:44
I've tried everything that I could think of to successfully put artwork for music that is already on my ipod.  Foobar's built in artwork finder sees all of the artwork with no problems but when I try to use "Update metadata on ipod" it doesn't transfer the artwork or even update the tags on the ipod.  It simply does nothing.
You need to run it on the results from "Load library". It will try and add artwork based upon the original path of the file originally sent to the iPod; it should pick up the same stuff as through send files. Does that not work for you?

I was told (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=576184) several days ago that it wasn't possible to add artwork to music already on the iPod. Does what's being said here mean that the iPod database or doo_fop remembers where files were uploaded to the iPod from? Interesting.

The main thing is, the only art that I have is embedded in my music, which resides on the iPod. Are there any plans to ever have foo_dop search for the embedded images when "Update metadata on iPod" is run? I was pretty surprised that it doesn't do that. (I tried using Floola to add artwork, and it worked on the whole but ended up making foo_dop give me a "bad allocation" for the ArtworkDB error whenever I tried to load contents.)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-17 15:37:41
The main thing is, the only art that I have is embedded in my music, which resides on the iPod. Are there any plans to ever have foo_dop search for the embedded images when "Update metadata on iPod" is run? I was pretty surprised that it doesn't do that.
It will try and read embedded art from the original file, if it still exists. It seems like I can make it read embedded art only from the files on the iPod, I will change that. (I won't go into the complicated details of why it didn't before...) But to clarify you are adding art to files directly on the iPod?

(I tried using Floola to add artwork, and it worked on the whole but ended up making foo_dop give me a "bad allocation" for the ArtworkDB error whenever I tried to load contents.)
OK well mystery of the cause of that error solved  Probably iTunes undid the damage in zzeitg's case.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2008-07-17 15:44:28
It will try and read embedded art from the original file, if it still exists. It seems like I can make it read embedded art only from the files on the iPod, I will change that. (I won't go into the complicated details of why it didn't before...) But to clarify you are adding art to files directly on the iPod?

Thank you, that would really be very much appreciated. Yes, I'm adding artwork directly to my iPod files. My iPod functions as my main music repository, and I make backups of it periodically.

OK well mystery of the cause of that error solved  Probably iTunes undid the damage in zzeitg's case.

Hey, always glad to be unintentionally helpful. ;-)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zzeitg on 2008-07-17 22:36:56
Hi, one more question... (not the last one I promise).

What exactly does this key in meta-settings:
"$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,)"

Does this mean that if I add tag "various artists" into "album artist", the songs from O.S.T. will "keep together" in one album on iPod instead of beeing (dis)arranged into many parts due to artist name?

If not, what is the right way of O.S.T. tagging in order to see correct information about soundtracks in both Foobar and iPod, while still being able to scrobble correct info for Last.fm?

(difficult question, I guess...)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-17 23:13:05
Yes they should then come up on the compilations menu instead, just make sure Compilations is checked under Settings/Music menu on your iPod classic.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: heffer101 on 2008-07-21 15:42:32
it was weird...i can use my ipod with this sometimes and other times i cant. more recently i cant. I keep getting a win32 error #87, which i don't know if you know or not means that the parameter is incorrect...but i just synced pretty much all of my music to it a couple hours ago. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-21 16:05:40
Hi, what is the full text of the error?

I would check some things:
-can you access the iPod using Windows Explorer when you have this problem?
-have you tried running chkdsk on the iPod?
-have you tried running Process Monitor (http://sysinternals.com) to monitor the I/O operations performed by the component?
-have you checked if there are any messages in the Windows event log when you have this problem?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: /mnt on 2008-07-23 00:10:33
Am sorry to sound like a n00b, but is there a way to make foo_dop to flag tracks to skip on shuffle when being sent to a ipod, instead of doing it manually on each track?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zzeitg on 2008-07-23 20:23:47
Yes they should then come up on the compilations menu instead, just make sure Compilations is checked under Settings/Music menu on your iPod classic.


Well, I have to say "IT WORKS!" again. However, I would probably not recognize it without your advice that Compilation has to be checked. Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-23 23:23:32
Am sorry to sound like a n00b, but is there a way to make foo_dop to flag tracks to skip on shuffle when being sent to a ipod, instead of doing it manually on each track?
Apart from doing it track-by-track in manage contents, you can set the IPOD_SKIP_WHEN_SHUFFLING field to 1 on those tracks. There is no remapping for this field, currently, which I figure is more what you are looking for.

Also, m4b audiobooks are not included in the shuffle anyway, but they currently are not accepted as a valid type by foobar2000.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: holly_rad on 2008-07-24 15:23:54
I've tried everything that I could think of to successfully put artwork for music that is already on my ipod.  Foobar's built in artwork finder sees all of the artwork with no problems but when I try to use "Update metadata on ipod" it doesn't transfer the artwork or even update the tags on the ipod.  It simply does nothing.
You need to run it on the results from "Load library". It will try and add artwork based upon the original path of the file originally sent to the iPod; it should pick up the same stuff as through send files. Does that not work for you?


I've got the same problem, and I've tried running "update metadata on ipod" for results in my "iPod Media Library" (which is generated when I "Load Library"). No artwork is transfered.

However, if I "send files" the artwork does go.

I'm using a iPod Classic 160gb. Maybe a bug for this model?

Also, it would be handy if there was a way of browsing+sorting files on my iPod using the "Manage contents" option. At the moment it outputs all my files in a huge strange, semi-alphabetical list (possibly the order I added files to the ipod?), which is not very useful for managing my ipod. Otherwise foo_dop is ace!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-24 17:07:41
I've got the same problem, and I've tried running "update metadata on ipod" for results in my "iPod Media Library" (which is generated when I "Load Library"). No artwork is transfered.
I have checked and it works OK. The only potential issue I could find is that the artwork source script can't be blank, but that is the same for send files. As mentioned previously doing this via 'Update metadata on iPod' depends on the original file not being moved, and the file having been sent by this component in the first place (the "In DopDB" column in Manage contents indicates if the component knows the original path).

Also, it would be handy if there was a way of browsing+sorting files on my iPod using the "Manage contents" option.
Yes it is a bit barebones... there will be some improvements there at some point.


BTW anyone with an iPhone/iPod touch with 2.0 software I would like some copies of iTunesDB files loaded with with a fair bit of varying content (music, videos, podcasts, audiobooks, playlists, smart playlists, ..). Once the hash is conquered I need to conquer some of the new database additions Apple have made.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zzeitg on 2008-07-24 23:08:18
Yes they should then come up on the compilations menu instead, just make sure Compilations is checked under Settings/Music menu on your iPod classic.


As I wrote above, it works for iPod. But if I tag compilations (or OST, etc.) in such a way, i.e. each concrete "artist" for each song and "album artist" as Various Artists, it makes me big mass in Foobar Media Library. Now I have lot of Artists with only 1 song in Foobar library, as they were scanned from these compilations albums.

How can I tell to Foobar to look for "album artist" first and group compilation albums as "Various Artist" in media library?

(sorry, I know it is not a question about iPod manager exactly, but related to what we talked 'bout before)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-24 23:36:47
Just use %album artist% (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Foobar2000:Title_Formatting_Reference#.25album_artist.25) where ever you have this problem. You can bung %track artist% somewhere near %title% if you want.

yes this has nothing to do with this component, there's no harm in starting a new thread, you will get more help that way
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: al98 on 2008-07-26 03:19:55
Hello, I'm trying to get foo_dop to work with linux. The problem I'm having is getting foobar2000 (running in WINE) to detect the iPod. Is it possible you could add a feature to allow the user to set the directory that the iPod is mounted on?

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: helvetia on 2008-07-28 16:10:21
I've been meaning to post for the longest time to thank you for this plugin. It's by far my favorite plugin for any software (Firefox, etc.) & I really appreciate your hard work.

If I might be bold enough to make a feature request, it would actually be for an RSS feed on your website to make it easier to check for changes.

Cheers!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-28 17:29:06
[...]Is it possible you could add a feature to allow the user to set the directory that the iPod is mounted on?
It's not possible nor desired for various reasons. You'd make better use of your time reporting issues to the Wine developers.

I've been meaning to post for the longest time to thank you for this plugin. It's by far my favorite plugin for any software (Firefox, etc.) & I really appreciate your hard work.
Thank you! 

If I might be bold enough to make a feature request, it would actually be for an RSS feed on your website to make it easier to check for changes.
Not sure if it is exactly what you need, but you can create an RSS feed from the wiki, e.g.:
http://yuo.be/wiki/feed.php?ns=dop (http://yuo.be/wiki/feed.php?ns=dop)

Some info on customising it:
http://wiki.splitbrain.org/wiki:syndication (http://wiki.splitbrain.org/wiki:syndication)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Gurney on 2008-07-28 17:49:33
BTW anyone with an iPhone/iPod touch with 2.0 software I would like some copies of iTunesDB files loaded with with a fair bit of varying content (music, videos, podcasts, audiobooks, playlists, smart playlists, ..). Once the hash is conquered I need to conquer some of the new database additions Apple have made.


Hello Musicmusic,

I've an iPhone 3G, and iTunes loaded with music only. Might it help?

Let me know.

Thanks for you hard work!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-28 18:46:30
Well, there's no harm in me checking  For some reason, they split the list of tracks in two in the new DB format, I don't know what the second list is for yet, I'm thinking videos though.

Do you know how to make a backup of the iTunesDB file? If not I hope some other iPhone or iPod touch users can share the easiest method with us (or maybe I should just add this functionality to foo_dop ).

BTW, there's not really any rush, it will probably be at least a couple of weeks before the new protection mechanism is fully reverse engineered.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kcme on 2008-07-28 20:18:49
Once again, this component is absolutely fantastic.

Here's a question that probably doesn't belong here, but this is the best place I can think of for it. How can I add a little eject button to the toolbar? Not a panel or anything complicated, just a nice little eject button up top.

Is this a UI manager question? I'm using the default...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-28 23:41:12
Hi,

Yes it possible, there should be some kind of customise command when you right click the standard buttons. If you want an icon though you will need to supply one yourself..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: helvetia on 2008-07-29 11:32:58
Fantastic! That was what I was looking for.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: elevate on 2008-07-30 02:35:36
Well, there's no harm in me checking  For some reason, they split the list of tracks in two in the new DB format, I don't know what the second list is for yet, I'm thinking videos though.

Could it be podcasts?...I believe those are handled differently during syncing on the 3G.

Quote
Do you know how to make a backup of the iTunesDB file? If not I hope some other iPhone or iPod touch users can share the easiest method with us

I think the easiest way (right now) is to use iPhoneBrowser (http://code.google.com/p/iphonebrowser/).  Just open up your iPhone in there, navigate to root/iTunes_Control/iTunes, right click your iTunesDB file and select "Save As...".

I've got an all music DB if you want it - email me at elevate2112 at gmail dot com.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-07-30 09:31:56
Could it be podcasts?...I believe those are handled differently during syncing on the 3G.
It doesn't seem to be either videos or podcasts, I have looked at a few databases and the second list is just blank.. It could still be ringtones or rented movies or maybe even some different type of podcasts or smth.

I don't really need any more just music databases, if you have one with some different things like the above you can upload it to mediafire.com and PM me the link. Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 120! on 2008-07-31 23:08:46
Could it be podcasts?...I believe those are handled differently during syncing on the 3G.
It doesn't seem to be either videos or podcasts, I have looked at a few databases and the second list is just blank.. It could still be ringtones or rented movies or maybe even some different type of podcasts or smth.

I don't really need any more just music databases, if you have one with some different things like the above you can upload it to mediafire.com and PM me the link. Thanks


Hello everyone,
There's just one thing I'm wondering about: after the update from 1.1.4 to 2.0.1, I refilled my library with iTunes, but then I had a few things remaining on my linux partition, so I tried with gtkpod. The weird thing is, it can read the database correctly, even though the hash is different, but then it messes up when rewriting it (you notice it when trying to play anything actually, and also the phone is just half a brick since you cannot sync with iTunes anymore).
So, to summarise, does anyone know if it is normal that I can read the database with gtkpod if the hash has been changed?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-07-31 23:16:20
So, to summarise, does anyone know if it is normal that I can read the database with gtkpod if the hash has been changed?

A hash is a checksum for a certain block of data; like "take all the data bytes and calculate their sum". The data in this case is the iTunes database, which is perfectly readable without the hash.

The problem is that before using the database the iPod calculates the hash again from the file and compares it to the stored value to make sure the database hasn't been modified since iTunes wrote it.

So the hash only stops the iPod itself from using the database, but not any other application - well, possibly iTunes, but who cares about that trainwreck?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zzeitg on 2008-08-01 11:57:25
1) Hi, everytime I "Load Library" from iPod, foobar opens "iPod View" playlist.
The problem is, that it does not keep settings about sorting and grouping.

Can I force it somehow to open iPod View sorted according to Artist/Album preset?

EDIT: now I playd a little bit with settings. I found that the way iPod View is sorted depends on "Load Library" settings on card Behaviour.

By default: "%artist% - %album% - %tracknumber% - %title%"

What I would like is grouping by albums and alphabetical sorting by artist name, while compilation albums (VA and OST) should be grouped, too and (in alphabetical order) be loaded as "Various Artist" (tag "Album Artist"). How to set that?

2) Any chance to load album art with Library, too?

3) What would happen if I tried to send to iPod a song / album which is already there? Do I get some warning message?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-08-01 17:25:44
1. Change it to
Code: [Select]
%album artist% - %album% - %disc% - %tracknumber% - %title%

2. Only if it is embedded
3. It will skip them if the files are identical (but if you have changed some metadata etc. they will be recopied).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: DrHouse on 2008-08-02 14:10:58
Hi all !
My first post here and i just would like to say that Foo_Dop Rocks !! 
I salute you musicmusic for all your work with this awesome plugin !

Greets
House
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zzeitg on 2008-08-02 14:49:44
1. Change it to
Code: [Select]
%album artist% - %album% - %disc% - %tracknumber% - %title%

2. Only if it is embedded
3. It will skip them if the files are identical (but if you have changed some metadata etc. they will be recopied).


1. Great! Thank you!

2. Hmm, just wondering if I know what you mean by this. What should be embedded? The album art? How to make it?
EDIT: oh, you mean to "add" the album art into mp3 tags? Hmm, too much "manual" work for me.
Could it not be added as one function of the plugin? I mean when sending mp3s to iPod, it could embed the album into the tag "on-the-fly" and next time I load library, I could see the album art?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-08-02 17:10:47
EDIT: oh, you mean to "add" the album art into mp3 tags? Hmm, too much "manual" work for me.

MP3Tag can do this - just define an action group for it and add "Import cover from file" as an action.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zzeitg on 2008-08-02 20:59:10

EDIT: oh, you mean to "add" the album art into mp3 tags? Hmm, too much "manual" work for me.

MP3Tag can do this - just define an action group for it and add "Import cover from file" as an action.


Yes, thats exactly what I call to much work. Especially when (maybe?) this can be done automatically (similar to folder.jpg "import" to iPod) by the plugin while sending the music files to iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-08-02 21:17:59
0.6.2.7 (experimental) released:
-You can backup the iTunesDB and ArtworkDB databases now, mainly useful to provide backups from an iPhone or iPod touch. To access this, hold Shift whilst clicking on the File menu.
-Better handling of low free space on iPod conditions. Some tweaked ordering of events whilst writing the database, and also 0.5% of space is now reserved by default to ensure proper operation of the component and the iPod. If you really wish, you can adjust this amount in advanced preferences. I need verification this is working correctly on (software 1.x) iPod touch/iPhones..

Hi all !
My first post here and i just would like to say that Foo_Dop Rocks !! 
I salute you musicmusic for all your work with this awesome plugin !

Greets
House
Hello and thank you

Could it not be added as one function of the plugin? I mean when sending mp3s to iPod, it could embed the album into the tag "on-the-fly" and next time I load library, I could see the album art?
The component does not modify files sent to the iPod (with reaons), so this won't happen..

It may be possible for me to provide a service that provides artwork using the common foobar2000 API, but if you do have embedded art, it may arbitrarily override that. The images stored on the iPod will be worse quality than the source images; they are optimised for display on the iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shfx on 2008-08-03 03:02:15
any more info on ipod touch + iphone 2.0 support?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Takaji on 2008-08-03 05:28:48
I just started using this plugin and I'm loving it... the only question is, what tag does my tracks need to have in order to be recognized as a "compilation" on my ipod?
Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-08-03 06:03:37
I just started using this plugin and I'm loving it... the only question is, what tag does my tracks need to have in order to be recognized as a "compilation" on my ipod?
Thanks!

IPOD_COMPILATION

Check out the wiki for the rest: http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:metadata (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:metadata)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Takaji on 2008-08-03 08:02:50

I just started using this plugin and I'm loving it... the only question is, what tag does my tracks need to have in order to be recognized as a "compilation" on my ipod?
Thanks!

IPOD_COMPILATION

Check out the wiki for the rest: http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:metadata (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:metadata)


Thank you very much!
I love this plugin. Now I don't even need iTunes for ANYTHING... except the occasional update.
The days of being chained to that thing to transfer music to my iPod are GONE!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-08-03 08:44:01
You're welcome .

I know how you feel, not a fan of iTunes in the least, and just keep it for any future updates .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2008-08-03 16:49:22
0.2.6.7 (experimental) released:

Just to be sure, this update doesn't include the "read embedded artwork from music on the iPod" update that we discussed (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=577757), right? No rush on that at all--I'm just checking to be sure since the update included artwork-related stuff. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-08-03 17:22:01
any more info on ipod touch + iphone 2.0 support?
It will probably be a few weeks until the protection mechanism is fully reverse engineered.. I will update when it has been

Just to be sure, this update doesn't include the "read embedded artwork from music on the iPod" update that we discussed (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=577757), right? No rush on that at all--I'm just checking to be sure since the update included artwork-related stuff. 
That should be working since 0.6.2.6 (see changelog), if it doesn't that's a bug..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2008-08-03 18:25:58
That should be working since 0.6.2.6 (see changelog), if it doesn't that's a bug..

Ah, that update sneaked right by me. I upgraded foo_dop to 0.6.2.6 and ran Load Library and Rewrite Database a couple of times, but it doesn't seem to have recognized the images that I embedded in certain tracks the other day using Mp3tag. foobar and Mp3tag confirm that the images are indeed embedded, and there are no other copies of these files on the computer either. Any ideas? (Please let me know if you need more information.)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-08-03 18:27:44
you need to use the 'Update metadata on iPod' command.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2008-08-03 18:39:22
you need to use the 'Update metadata on iPod' command.

That did it. Thank you very much.

And looking over the changelog again, it clearly says what I needed to do right there. I'm sorry about that--read too fast and was thinking that I just needed to update the metadata (which I associated with rewrite DB). I forgot about the actual "Update metadata" command since it moved from the main menu.    Sorry, there.

And thanks again!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pinoniceusagi on 2008-08-03 20:27:25
Hello.

I was wondering about something. Right now, when I use the "iPod -> Load Library" option, all of my iPod's contents are loaded into one playlist -- one huge list with all albums on my iPod. I think it's very hard to browse through this (I usually use the library album list for music not on my iPod). Is it possible to load the iPod's contents into the album list? I mean, instead of having everything appear on one huge playlist?

What I'm looking for is to browse the iPod just like I browse my local music library. Can it be done?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2008-08-06 18:48:29
A friend of mine recently got an ipod 5g 80gb and transfer all of his music using foo_dop. Apparently, though, and when he goes to music > artists, it says "no artists" on the right box thing. But yet if he goes to music > albums, every album he put on is there.

Any ideas?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-08-06 19:29:54
Hello.

I was wondering about something. Right now, when I use the "iPod -> Load Library" option, all of my iPod's contents are loaded into one playlist -- one huge list with all albums on my iPod. I think it's very hard to browse through this (I usually use the library album list for music not on my iPod). Is it possible to load the iPod's contents into the album list? I mean, instead of having everything appear on one huge playlist?

What I'm looking for is to browse the iPod just like I browse my local music library. Can it be done?
The best you can do is add your iPod to the list of media library directories. Change the drive letter of your iPod in Windows to something near the end of the alphabet so it stays the same.

If you have an iPod touch or iPhone, this isn't possible as you cannot add the path into the media library.

A friend of mine recently got an ipod 5g 80gb and transfer all of his music using foo_dop. Apparently, though, and when he goes to music > artists, it says "no artists" on the right box thing. But yet if he goes to music > albums, every album he put on is there.

Any ideas?
Has he checked if they have ARTIST fields in their properties in foobar2000 ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pri3st on 2008-08-06 20:11:41
I can't make my ipod classic scrobble the songs to last.fm.
Can someone told me what I have to do exactly?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2008-08-06 20:27:07
I can't make my ipod classic scrobble the songs to last.fm.
Can someone told me what I have to do exactly?


1. Make sure you have the Audioscrobbler plugin http://mp3tag.de/en/fb2k.html (http://mp3tag.de/en/fb2k.html)
2. Enable the plugin through the tools menu in preferences, Input your username and password, and check the box "Import Played Tracks from Portable Devices."
3. Every time you want to scrobble tracks, use the function "Rewrite Database" from the ipod menu. Whenever your next song scrobbles, so should those you've played on your ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pri3st on 2008-08-07 04:55:13

I can't make my ipod classic scrobble the songs to last.fm.
Can someone told me what I have to do exactly?


1. Make sure you have the Audioscrobbler plugin http://mp3tag.de/en/fb2k.html (http://mp3tag.de/en/fb2k.html)
2. Enable the plugin through the tools menu in preferences, Input your username and password, and check the box "Import Played Tracks from Portable Devices."
3. Every time you want to scrobble tracks, use the function "Rewrite Database" from the ipod menu. Whenever your next song scrobbles, so should those you've played on your ipod.


Thanks!

Another question: How it knows what I have played on my ipod and what had scrobble already?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2008-08-07 06:44:06


I can't make my ipod classic scrobble the songs to last.fm.
Can someone told me what I have to do exactly?


1. Make sure you have the Audioscrobbler plugin http://mp3tag.de/en/fb2k.html (http://mp3tag.de/en/fb2k.html)
2. Enable the plugin through the tools menu in preferences, Input your username and password, and check the box "Import Played Tracks from Portable Devices."
3. Every time you want to scrobble tracks, use the function "Rewrite Database" from the ipod menu. Whenever your next song scrobbles, so should those you've played on your ipod.


Thanks!

Another question: How it knows what I have played on my ipod and what had scrobble already?


Explain your question further.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pri3st on 2008-08-07 10:42:34



I can't make my ipod classic scrobble the songs to last.fm.
Can someone told me what I have to do exactly?


1. Make sure you have the Audioscrobbler plugin http://mp3tag.de/en/fb2k.html (http://mp3tag.de/en/fb2k.html)
2. Enable the plugin through the tools menu in preferences, Input your username and password, and check the box "Import Played Tracks from Portable Devices."
3. Every time you want to scrobble tracks, use the function "Rewrite Database" from the ipod menu. Whenever your next song scrobbles, so should those you've played on your ipod.


Thanks!

Another question: How it knows what I have played on my ipod and what had scrobble already?


Explain your question further.


How the audioscrobbler plugin knows what I have played last and I haven't scrobble it before.
For example if I hear three songs, connect it and scrobble them, then listen another one and connect it. How it will know not to scrobble four songs?

PS: I hope, I am clear enough now
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-08-07 16:21:54
Because they have already been processed ?

Was all that quoting really necessary..? 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pri3st on 2008-08-07 16:41:51
That was exactly my question. How it knows that it have been already processed? Does it save a db on my ipod or foobar directory with what has been processed? With isproggler that i was using before, I had to have a smart playlist in order for the scrobbling to work. And also another question, if i play one song repeated will scrobble it as many times as i have play it (cause with isproggler, this is not the case).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-08-07 16:59:19
The iPod tells the component what has seen played since last 'sync'/etc.

The component notifies foo_audioscrobbler about every full play of the same track, but I do not know if it processes all of them, there was some kerfuffle about only having the most recent playback timestamp for each track.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2008-08-10 23:13:41
Regarding the "read album art from files already on the iPod update": I'm not having success with it. After using Mp3tag to add cover art for many files on my iPod, I selected the files and ran "Update metadata on iPod" them (and all files as well) without success. I've tried that many times, and have tried "Load library" and "Rewrite database" too. I've confirmed with foobar2000 and Mp3tag that the album art is present in the files as well. (I can get one or two to you if necessary.) Any ideas?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-08-11 00:01:52
I did try and it did work here.

Check if copying the file off, removing it, and sending it again works. Also please verify that you have something (anything) written under "Source script" in prefs, and "Addition use foobar2000 built-in artwork reader" is checked.

Also note that if there was already artwork for that song in the database it will not replace it. The "artwork" column in 'Manage content' can tell you if it has artwork for that song.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2008-08-11 00:20:05
for the next build would it be possible:

when sending files to an iPod after clicking send files while processing the files could a list be produced showing the ones with too long filename before it sends the files as opposed to after.

As I understand there is nothing you can do about the filename limit? I tend to batch upload and come back later to a list of lots of files which didn't upload. I would find it easier to have this list before the upload and change their filenames before uploading. Hope you understand keep up the good work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-08-11 00:31:20
You are copying songs to the iPod manually and then adding them to the DB via send files? Otherwise there is no reason to worry about path lengths. If you are getting an error about too long path in that case you are feeding the component invalid paths which are pointing to the iPod drive. I will say it again and another million times: change the drive letter of your iPod to something like W to avoid drive letter conflicts.

Otherwise if you are doing the former, if you don't mind breaking Music Quiz 2 you can increase the limit a bit, I am sure there is some info in the wiki someplace. You should also just use foobar2000's file mover to generate accepted filenames.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: 2Pacalypse on 2008-08-11 07:29:20
You are copying songs to the iPod manually and then adding them to the DB via send files? Otherwise there is no reason to worry about path lengths. If you are getting an error about too long path in that case you are feeding the component invalid paths which are pointing to the iPod drive. I will say it again and another million times: change the drive letter of your iPod to something like W to avoid drive letter conflicts.

Otherwise if you are doing the former, if you don't mind breaking Music Quiz 2 you can increase the limit a bit, I am sure there is some info in the wiki someplace. You should also just use foobar2000's file mover to generate accepted filenames.


I was dumping my music folder onto the iPod drive and then sending the files to the iPod using foobar.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2008-08-12 04:01:02
I did try and it did work here.

I managed to get it working. I'd been working with 0.6.2.6, which was said to be the version from which this feature was implemented, but once I updated to 0.6.2.7 (which I didn't before, since it's experimental), things work fine. Thanks much!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-08-12 20:44:48
I was dumping my music folder onto the iPod drive and then sending the files to the iPod using foobar.
OK then the second part of my post applies.

I managed to get it working. I'd been working with 0.6.2.6, which was said to be the version from which this feature was implemented, but once I updated to 0.6.2.7 (which I didn't before, since it's experimental), things work fine. Thanks much!
OK, probably then I got confused about when I added it
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: errrick on 2008-08-15 02:28:15
hey musicmusic, how much progress has been done on reverse engineering the new 2.0 itunesdb hash ?

there's a wiki of one guy (maybe a few guys, or maybe its you!) that is working on the new hash too, maybe you can join forces and get it cracked faster.

the wiki is: http://bluwiki.com/go/Ipodhash (http://bluwiki.com/go/Ipodhash)

theres also a chatroom #ipodhash on freenode, and you might want to go to #gtkpod too, as the previous hash has been cracked by some guys from that room

if you need any help (like a test iTunesDB+FirewireGUID), please tell me!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-08-15 12:48:36
I know these things
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: errrick on 2008-08-15 13:49:54
I know these things

hey, nice to hear that. have you people made any progress ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-08-15 14:41:32
There is progress of course, but most of the work has really been done by one person (israr)  It seems like he is on the last major function, but I'm not sure, you may get some more info by asking on IRC.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zzeitg on 2008-08-15 16:31:45
Hi, it seems somehow difficult to "push" the played songs to Last.fm. Here is the report from console:

Audioscrobbler: Handshake successful.
comserver2: Registering class objects succeeded.
Startup time : 0:14.624073
Audioscrobbler: Importing played tracks from Zdenek
Audioscrobbler: Finished importing 128 tracks.
Audioscrobbler: Submitting 10 of 128 cached tracks...
Audioscrobbler: Could not connect to host

Well, I have no problems with internet connection and Last.fm seems to be working. What went wrong?
EDIT: I posted this question on audioscrobler plugin forum, so far not clear what makes troubles.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Alexander Ostuni on 2008-08-17 13:08:09
Hello

I need help again........
I have seperated my live albums from the official ones. I have an aditional tag field %bootleg% for that.
My live recordings are tagged with "Bootlegs" in that field, the other albums are tagged "official" in that field.
At the metadata tab at the preferences I have added the following into the Artist line : %Artist% %Bootleg%
Now the iPod is showing for example:

Jethro Tull Bootlegs
Jethro Tull Official

Question: Is it possible that the Field "Bootleg" is only shown when it is filled with the word "Bootlegs" so that it looks like this on the iPod :

Jethro Tull
Jethro Tull Bootlegs


Thanks very Much in advance.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: blonde on 2008-08-17 14:14:03
Try this?
Code: [Select]
%artist% [%bootleg%]
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-08-17 15:00:52
Try this?
Code: [Select]
%artist% [%bootleg%]

ITYM
Code: [Select]
%artist%[ $if($stricmp(%bootleg%,Bootlegs),Bootlegs,)]
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Alexander Ostuni on 2008-08-17 15:11:52
Thank you very much

Alex
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: blonde on 2008-08-17 19:46:02
ITYM
Code: [Select]
%artist%[ $if($stricmp(%bootleg%,Bootlegs),Bootlegs,)]

Oh, yeah... Nice catch!  I was already thinking "why don't you leave the tag blank for non-bootlegs..."

Alex O.: if you did that, you could use my suggestion.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-08-18 09:42:49
I am having a few problems with foo_dop and my iPod:

1. Album art refuses to send. I have the path correct, and it used to work (before iPod reformat), so I don't know what's going on. My question is, how to 'flush' the art database, or if an option can be added to wipe, and update the artwork database WITHOUT having to resend all songs.

2. Multi-value fields don't seem to work correctly, or maybe I am doing something wrong? My example is, I have set up the Genre field in foo_dop to map to MY custom %type% field. I have set up my %type% field in foobar2000 to be multi-value. So I tag my songs, separating the values with ; (ex. Studio; Cover; Live etc). Upon looking at the Genre section of my iPod, it shows "Studio, Cover, Live" as ONE full Type. It doesn't put that song under the Studio, Cover, and Live fields independently. What am I doing wrong?

If someone can help me with any of this stuff, that's be great, thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2008-08-18 12:52:26
wipe, and update the artwork database WITHOUT having to resend all songs.
Perhaps using Update metadata on iPod (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=580700) command?

HTH.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2008-08-18 14:47:17
2. Multi-value fields don't seem to work correctly, or maybe I am doing something wrong?

The iPod does not support multi-value fields. (This hasn't changed in the newer models, has it?) Or more precisely, it reads all of the values as one single value. I learned that when I tried placing multiple genres in my tracks and ended up with genres entries like "Game, Instrumental, Electronica." I was pretty disappointed that a system like the iPod doesn't support that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-08-18 16:45:06
wipe, and update the artwork database WITHOUT having to resend all songs.
Perhaps using Update metadata on iPod (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=580700) command?

HTH.

Alessandro


Ah wonderful, thank you !


2. Multi-value fields don't seem to work correctly, or maybe I am doing something wrong?

The iPod does not support multi-value fields. (This hasn't changed in the newer models, has it?) Or more precisely, it reads all of the values as one single value. I learned that when I tried placing multiple genres in my tracks and ended up with genres entries like "Game, Instrumental, Electronica." I was pretty disappointed that a system like the iPod doesn't support that.


Whoa, that kind of surprises me too  . I thought for sure that it would since it supports sorting by genre and that is almost always a multi-value field. That's not so great news, especially since I just fishished tagging a couple thousand files >.< haha
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2008-08-18 18:06:34
iPod, at least my iPhone, does not support multiple value tags, it will only see the first of the values and will ignore the rest.  When files are sent with foo_dop it will coalesce all of the multiple values into a single value separated with a semicolon.  If I send my Naked City album, which is tagged in foobar2000 to show up under Avant-Garde, Jazz, and Metal (I prefer fairly loose genre categorizations of course) it will show up as Avant-Garde only when sent with iTunes, but "Avant-Garde; Jazz; Metal" with foo_dop.

Grumble...apple sucks....grumble.  I agree it's pretty lame, but they are always way ahead on flair and a few steps behind on functionality that only our little niche of music-tech geeks really care about.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Alexander Ostuni on 2008-08-19 21:35:18

Try this?
Code: [Select]
%artist% [%bootleg%]

ITYM
Code: [Select]
%artist%[ $if($stricmp(%bootleg%,Bootlegs),Bootlegs,)]




Hi,
sorry for going OT one last time, but now I have tried this string but it didn't work. I still have all my live shows between the albums. I have also tried the string without the space efter the [ , but this did not work, too.
Maybe there is just a little mistake, but I am just learning this all, so I can't figure it out. So any help is much apreciated.

Thanks in advance

Alex
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2008-08-20 09:14:18

Code: [Select]
%artist%[ $if($stricmp(%bootleg%,Bootlegs),Bootlegs,)]

sorry for going OT one last time, but now I have tried this string but it didn't work. I still have all my live shows between the albums. I have also tried the string without the space efter the [ , but this did not work, too.
Maybe there is just a little mistake, but I am just learning this all, so I can't figure it out. So any help is much apreciated.

If all else fails, add the above format string as a column to your playlist view and you'll see what it does exactly. Unless I'm very mistaken here the above format string should only append "Bootlegs" if the bootleg-Tag was set to "Bootlegs" for a file.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tK0N3 on 2008-08-22 04:35:04
ok i was wondering... for the artwork.. what exactly is needed so that the artwork is uploaded from the same directory as the mp3s being uploaded... bcz my artwork is labeled after the directory
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: AlekseiVasiliev on 2008-08-22 09:20:45
I'm an idiot, and used foo_dop with my iPod Touch 2.0. Now all my tracks are orphaned. Does anybody know software that can recover orphaned tracks? foo_dop can't do it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: n0obie4life on 2008-08-31 17:41:02
Hi~ Is there anyway I can resend all my album art to my iPod? Update metadata on iPod doesn't seem to resend my album art over to the database.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: popol on 2008-09-03 04:31:10
hi, first of all, thx a lot to the one who developped this plugin, it's awesome.

here's what I tried to do but wasn't able to:

I want my albums to be sorted in chrnological order, but don't want the year to actually show up on the ipod.

I tried this line:

%album artist% - '%date%'%album% - %disc% - %tracknumber% - %title%

That didn't really work...

what should I do?


I have a question about gapless playback now:

I have some live albums on mp3, and I guess to get them to go gapless I'd have to access them thru itunes and check "gapless" in the proprieties.

will that still work though after transferring them using foo_dop? since foo_dop creates dummiy gapless data (it didn't work for me when I left that option unchecked).


thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-03 18:14:31
I'm an idiot, and used foo_dop with my iPod Touch 2.0. Now all my tracks are orphaned. Does anybody know software that can recover orphaned tracks? foo_dop can't do it.
Depends on what you mean. You can copy the tracks from the touch using foo_dop, but if you meant recover the database only iTunes can create an accepted database. However if you only used foo_dop once, there will be a backup saved on the device.

Hi~ Is there anyway I can resend all my album art to my iPod? Update metadata on iPod doesn't seem to resend my album art over to the database.
It is not possible currently, you have to resend the tracks.

I want my albums to be sorted in chrnological order, but don't want the year to actually show up on the ipod.
You can currently not do this.

I tried this line:

%album artist% - '%date%'%album% - %disc% - %tracknumber% - %title%

That didn't really work...
That is for something else, read a bit more carefully or press help when in doubt.

I have some live albums on mp3, and I guess to get them to go gapless I'd have to access them thru itunes and check "gapless" in the proprieties.
That is only used at the moment by iTunes to disable crossfading, for continuous albums (such as mix CDs). It's not important to enable it for the iPod.

will that still work though after transferring them using foo_dop? since foo_dop creates dummiy gapless data (it didn't work for me when I left that option unchecked).
Gapless playback will work for MP3 files with LAME gapless data, and MP4 AAC files with Nero or iTunes gapless data. If enabled, dummy data will be used for files where the component fails to read any gapless data.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: popol on 2008-09-03 23:52:44
thanks for your reply!

I'm wondering though, how can I put gapless date in mp3 and m4a files? When I rip cds with foobar2000, using the nero aac encoder, will they have gapless data? How about mp3 files that were encoded with lame? Is there a way to make foobar scan the files without gapless data so these files can play without gaps?

another issue I'm having is that I'm trying to lower the volume of all the songs on the ipod, by -7db. It doesn't seem to work using "soundcheck adjustment". Or is it that I didn't get what this option is for?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-04 00:12:39
Yes, the current version of the Nero encoder is compatible, and probably the one before that. Files produced by the mentioned encoders will have the gapless data by default.

Note we are referring to gaps introduced by the encoding process. Some more information about the topic is available here (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Gapless) or maybe here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gapless_playback).

You can check the gapless information status of files on your iPod under 'Manage contents'.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-09 19:32:43
There will most likely be at least new iPod classic firmware released soon, and possibly nano 3G, there is a chance it may lock out foo_dop and other iPod managers, so if you value those don't update until I or others have checked this.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Takaji on 2008-09-09 23:57:49
Hi~ Is there anyway I can resend all my album art to my iPod? Update metadata on iPod doesn't seem to resend my album art over to the database.
It is not possible currently, you have to resend the tracks.


Last night I deleted all the tracks from my ipod classic 160GB and resent them to my ipod. The album art still did not show up on the new tracks, and I checked that foo_dop uses the file cover.jpg for album art.
I also tried updating the metadata by selecting all the tracks and right-clicking on them.

I'm not too sure how to fix this... do I need to completely format the ipod or something?

Any help would be appreciated, thank you!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-10 00:53:05
I think there is some confusion.

If you want to update missing art, you can use 'Update metadata on iPod' if the original files have not moved.
If you want to replace existing art, you need to resend.

If the component is not picking up your cover.jpg for new files, check your configuration (after clicking help) or otherwise post a screenshot of that prefs page.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Takaji on 2008-09-10 01:27:07
I think there is some confusion.

If you want to update missing art, you can use 'Update metadata on iPod' if the original files have not moved.
If you want to replace existing art, you need to resend.

If the component is not picking up your cover.jpg for new files, check your configuration (after clicking help) or otherwise post a screenshot of that prefs page.


Thank you for your help. I figured out the problem, it was really rudimentary and I feel ridiculous for not noticing it!

In the cover path box, I had written "cover.jpg" instead of NOT including the extension. I hope it will work now!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2008-09-11 13:23:55
is there a chance for ipod nano 4g support in further releases?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-11 15:31:00
I am assuming it doesn't work, which is likely really. It remains to be seen what protection mechanisms Apple are using on the database, but it is probably similar to iPhone 2.0 software. Time will give us some answers anyway..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2008-09-11 22:57:43
pfff i would buy a nano 4g NOW if i could use any ipod manager i want.

big applause for apple 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Moofasa~ on 2008-09-14 00:25:50
I am assuming it doesn't work, which is likely really. It remains to be seen what protection mechanisms Apple are using on the database, but it is probably similar to iPhone 2.0 software. Time will give us some answers anyway..


So I guess they (whoever they are  ) aren't close to cracking the 2.1 firmware? 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Matthias.1985 on 2008-09-14 10:46:02
First I want to thank you for your great plugin! So I can use my ipod with my favourite music player.
But theres one thing I misses in foo_dop: I can't see how much space is free on my ipod. I always have to select the whole database and search for the size of the selected items.
Is it possible to show the free size e.g. in the status bar. It would be easier to put music on the ipod!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-14 22:46:59
So I guess they (whoever they are  ) aren't close to cracking the 2.1 firmware? 
I don't think anything has changed from 2.0 to 2.1 in this regard. I was only really aware of one person making any decent progress. But I do not know what happened exactly, I can only assume he hit some snag.

Hopefully if it affects the standard iPods now there will be more of a push to overcome this. These were posted before, but there is discussion in #ipodhash on Freenode, and a webpage with some info at http://bluwiki.com/go/Ipodhash (http://bluwiki.com/go/Ipodhash) .

But theres one thing I misses in foo_dop: I can't see how much space is free on my ipod. I always have to select the whole database and search for the size of the selected items.
Is it possible to show the free size e.g. in the status bar. It would be easier to put music on the ipod!
Not in the status bar, it may be added in iPod properties and iPod devices.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Northpack on 2008-09-15 22:15:59
I'd really appreciate an option to automatically delete doublettes on the iPod. Or, at least, an option to delete orphaned tracks instead of recovering them. My iPod often crashed during connection (no idea why, happens with iTunes also...) and thus the tracks tranfered before the crash are not added to the database. So far, I have to use "recover orphaned tracks", then load the ipod library into foobar and manually search for doublettes and delete them. But with more than 30gb of music files in the library that's a rather annoying thing to do...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sylla on 2008-09-16 19:43:36
It works fine for me to use this with the new iPod Classic 120gb... It took a little over 24h to add all my music though, and I thought it might take so long because I connected to the wrong USB port. So I stopped the syncing after all the music was transferred and the artwork was just beginning to transfer, to change usb port and continue after that... But when I tried syncing after that it didn't send any artwork...

Is there any way to make it send the artwork for files already on the ipod? I really din't want to remove everything and wait another 24+ hours for the transfers...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-16 21:08:02
I'd really appreciate an option to automatically delete doublettes on the iPod. Or, at least, an option to delete orphaned tracks instead of recovering them. My iPod often crashed during connection (no idea why, happens with iTunes also...) and thus the tracks tranfered before the crash are not added to the database. So far, I have to use "recover orphaned tracks", then load the ipod library into foobar and manually search for doublettes and delete them. But with more than 30gb of music files in the library that's a rather annoying thing to do...
The plan was to make it send all the recovered files to a new foobar2000 playlist, so you can review them and delete them if you wish


It works fine for me to use this with the new iPod Classic 120gb... It took a little over 24h to add all my music though, and I thought it might take so long because I connected to the wrong USB port. So I stopped the syncing after all the music was transferred and the artwork was just beginning to transfer, to change usb port and continue after that... But when I tried syncing after that it didn't send any artwork...

Is there any way to make it send the artwork for files already on the ipod? I really din't want to remove everything and wait another 24+ hours for the transfers...
Oh really? That's good news then  Does iTunes complain about the iPod needing a restore or anything? It also seems the Nano 4G should work (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=297329) OK also. I wouldn't expect anything out of Genius though.

So the question remains why they wish to protect the iPod touch and iPhone like this only. Maybe they are worried about people finding/exploiting any security vulnerabilities in their iTunesDB parser (even then still misguided).

To transfer the artwork, do load library, select everything, then right click and run 'Update metadata on iPod'. And then also the gapless scan command if you want gapless playback as that would also have been skipped.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sylla on 2008-09-16 21:53:15
Oh really? That's good news then  Does iTunes complain about the iPod needing a restore or anything? It also seems the Nano 4G should work (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=297329) OK also. I wouldn't expect anything out of Genius though.

So the question remains why they wish to protect the iPod touch and iPhone like this only. Maybe they are worried about people finding/exploiting any security vulnerabilities in their iTunesDB parser (even then still misguided).

To transfer the artwork, do load library, select everything, then right click and run 'Update metadata on iPod'. And then also the gapless scan command if you want gapless playback as that would also have been skipped.


Yeah, everything seems to work perfect, apart from multivalue fields, but I don't think it ever worked though? I'm trying with %<tag>%...

I don't know about iTunes as I uninstalled it before I bought the ipod, and I don't feel I have any reason to use it as your plugin works perfect  If you want me to, I can install it again though to test how it works.

And thanks for the help, and of course for the plugin, great not having to use iTunes...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-16 22:37:13
Yes multi-value fields are not supported by the iPod..

It's OK judging by the ml_ipod post, and the fact the iPod is happy, it should be OK.

One thing I would like is a copy of the iPod's XML property list. You can view this by holding Shift and clicking File, and then running iPod/Raw property list. PM me the result..

Also if anyone has either a classic 120GB or nano 4G and has iTunes installed, I would also like a copy of an iTunesDB written by iTunes (even better if you have Genius data on there) so I can have a look at the DB format.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-18 20:36:44
Version 0.6.2.8 released, just a minor update:
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Northpack on 2008-09-18 21:33:33
Version 0.6.2.8 released, just a minor update:
  • Recover orphaned files creates a foobar2000 playlist with the recovered files
  • Send files will list skipped duplicates at the end of the process
  • Updated recognition of iPod models in Properties, should now correctly identify new shuffles/nano 4g/classic 120GB.


You're awesome!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-18 23:03:19
Also just to be clear "Recover orphaned files" does still add the files to the database, so if you want to be rid of the recovered files use "Remove from iPod" in the first instance.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2008-09-19 00:12:47
@musicmusic

I'm having problems opening the 7z file after downloading Version 0.6.2.8.  I'm getting a "Can not open file ...as archive" error.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-19 00:23:30
I downloaded it and it did open OK here.

Check your download was OK:
MD5: 00d0f57da9d847c1859f38ee0b063be8 *foo_dop-0.6.2.8.7z
SHA1: 723ad5b04767396790333613ab125115d8fd7478 ?SHA1*foo_dop-0.6.2.8.7z
Size: 293,915 bytes

Clear your browser cache if not.

Otherwise I am using 7-Zip 4.60 beta if it makes a difference.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-09-19 00:34:30
Hey musicmusic,

Would it be possible for you to create an iTunes-esque panel that allows is to manage our iPods with buttons and a "space-left bar"?

Currently I am using some depreciated components to achieve an effect that seems to work well so far, but it isn't perfect. This is what I have come up with:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/keikonium/ipodbarthingy.jpg)

The code I am using to make it is pretty clean, but it's a lot of code, and of course there are limitations and imperfections since there aren't really any components to measure iPod sizes lol.

Having some variables that can be used in Track Display panels to measure the size of the different directories would be awesome.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2008-09-19 03:20:10
Clear your browser cache if not.
Clearing the browser cache did the trick, thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: helvetia on 2008-09-19 06:02:33
I'm not quite sure what you're suggesting, but those are beautiful icons.

Hey musicmusic,

Would it be possible for you to create an iTunes-esque panel that allows is to manage our iPods with buttons and a "space-left bar"?

Currently I am using some depreciated components to achieve an effect that seems to work well so far, but it isn't perfect. This is what I have come up with:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/keikonium/ipodbarthingy.jpg)

The code I am using to make it is pretty clean, but it's a lot of code, and of course there are limitations and imperfections since there aren't really any components to measure iPod sizes lol.

Having some variables that can be used in Track Display panels to measure the size of the different directories would be awesome.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Keikonium on 2008-09-19 09:45:05
Thank you, but it's just the product of me taking some iPod icons from deviant art and some vista beta icons and mashing them together lol.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bouchehog on 2008-09-19 17:45:02
I'm having some difficulties with my 6th Gen classic 80gb badger. I have all of my music stored on my HD in FLAC and use your plugin to send them to the IPOD (converting to vbr mp3). For some reason, on one occasion when I added a new album it managed to lose all of my other music. Fortunately I didn't have much on at the time, so it's wasn't much of a problem.

Yesterday I synched three album that I'd changed a couple of tags on. Naturally that's synching the FLAC on the computer with mp3 on the IPOD. When I then checked my music I'd lost all my albums, photos and audiobooks save the three new albums... When I went to 'recover orphaned tracks' it managed to find another ten albums or parts thereof. I now have 80gb of FLAC to convert/transfer again.

Any idea how to stop this from happening again? Also, why doensn't the FLAC compilation tag convert to the iTunes one? It means that once I've finished converting all of the tracks in foobar, I have to load up iTunes in order to set the albums as compilations (to stop them coming up as individual items in the various menus)...

Ben
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ZhuGeLiang on 2008-09-20 06:27:39
I'm having trouble with my 4G Nano. The music transfers fine and I can see/play it from foobar but I can't see anything when using the iPod. The firmware is version 1.0.2. I've tried rewriting the database and recover orphaned tracks. I've also tried version 0.6.2.6 and 0.6.2.8. Any ideas?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-20 08:21:47
I'm having some difficulties with my 6th Gen classic 80gb badger. I have all of my music stored on my HD in FLAC and use your plugin to send them to the IPOD (converting to vbr mp3). For some reason, on one occasion when I added a new album it managed to lose all of my other music. Fortunately I didn't have much on at the time, so it's wasn't much of a problem.

Yesterday I synched three album that I'd changed a couple of tags on. Naturally that's synching the FLAC on the computer with mp3 on the IPOD. When I then checked my music I'd lost all my albums, photos and audiobooks save the three new albums... When I went to 'recover orphaned tracks' it managed to find another ten albums or parts thereof. I now have 80gb of FLAC to convert/transfer again.

Any idea how to stop this from happening again? Also, why doensn't the FLAC compilation tag convert to the iTunes one? It means that once I've finished converting all of the tracks in foobar, I have to load up iTunes in order to set the albums as compilations (to stop them coming up as individual items in the various menus)...
When you sync something, the component removes everything that you are not syncing with. Normally a preview will be displayed and tell you what will be removed. However the component doesn't touch photos on the iPod. Did you set iTunes on manual sync mode?

If the compilation field is displayed in foobar2000 you can use it in the compilation mapping in preferences.

I'm having trouble with my 4G Nano. The music transfers fine and I can see/play it from foobar but I can't see anything when using the iPod. The firmware is version 1.0.2. I've tried rewriting the database and recover orphaned tracks. I've also tried version 0.6.2.6 and 0.6.2.8. Any ideas?
Does not sound good  Does iTunes recognise the music? Did you check firmware 1.0? Can you also do this:
One thing I would like is a copy of the iPod's XML property list. You can view this by holding Shift and clicking File, and then running iPod/Raw property list. PM me the result..

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ZhuGeLiang on 2008-09-20 14:41:12
Anyone know where I can download firmware 1.0.0 for the 4G nano?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-20 19:36:18
I don't think it will make any difference, and we need to make it work with 1.0.2 anyway, but you can get it here:
Code: [Select]
http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPod/SBML/osx/bundles/061-4637.20080909.vfH8i/iPod_31.1.0.ipsw


Some other things you can try:
-does opening and closing iTunes help?
-can you make a backup of a working iTunesDB written by iTunes and one by foo_dop?

[edit] Actually, I have an idea what the problem is. Writing the database in the newer format was not enabled for the nano 4G. I will have a new build to try shortly.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-21 00:13:43
Please try new build 0.6.2.9  Assuming it works, also pay attention to artwork and check that's working OK.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ZhuGeLiang on 2008-09-21 01:10:33
Just tested 0.6.2.9. Sending files to my 4G nano works great now. I haven't tested album artwork yet. Thanks for the quick fix!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheChipstar on 2008-09-23 02:26:07
I'm not sure if it's foo_dop or my iPod playing up, but for a while now my iPod keeps giving me this error "The currently attached accessory is not supported by this iPod" - and nothing's even attached to it!
Could it be the newer version? I know v0.6.2.4 didn't give me any troubles, but swapping back to it still doesn't get rid of the error.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-23 10:35:17
That would be your dock connector malfunctioning..

Try and clear any dirt that is lodged in there, otherwise it may be broken.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2008-09-27 16:23:20
So, is there any chance of of touch 2.0 series support to be added soon? 'cause, this is the only thing keeping me from the update. 1.1.1.4 installer now seems to be completely abandoned by developers. There haven't been any new release or an update there for weeks now!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-27 23:51:26
Unfortunately the protection mechanism doesn't seem to have been completely reverse engineered yet. I can't add any 2.x software support until that has been done.. not sure what the exact status of that is currently.

So it's a bit of a waiting game.. if you want to try and do something all I can see is publicising/finding people skilled in ARM or x86 reverse engineering and can deal with the obfuscation..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RjLan on 2008-09-28 14:06:11
What all does 'Update metadata on iPod' update?

I've been changing metadata on a lot of my music, adding lyrics, etc and 'Update metadata on iPod' does not change anything in my iPod library.

PS Maybe you could stop by #columnsui on freenode
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: topdownjimmy on 2008-09-28 18:59:55
Using 0.6.2.9, don't seem to be able to get any artwork onto my 4G Nano.  I've tried a relative path, an absolute path, and embedded art, but nothing gets onto the iPod.

Transferring the music works great however.  Thanks for your continued work on this.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-28 22:35:29
I see the problem  Should have something for you to test tomorrow or so.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: qwerty85 on 2008-09-29 17:41:21
Dear musicmusic,

I have a feature suggestion for your iPod manager.
Although the users of foobar2000 are able to add video files to their playlists, I guess that nobody uses it as a real "video file manager".
I do only have one video file playlist for my iPod. I add all the videos I want to have on my iPod to this playlist and select "Send to iPod".

Now my suggestion:
I'm using the Album List (Panel) extension (with the Media Library feature). I've added all my songs to this media library. When I open this library and select "Sync with iPod", all songs are being synchronized, which is great - but unfortunately, all video files are being deleted, because they are in a separate playlist (which is not part of my media library).

Can you add some option not to synchronize all the video files?

Thank you in advance!
Best regards,
qwerty85
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-29 21:31:36
Using 0.6.2.9, don't seem to be able to get any artwork onto my 4G Nano.
Please try version 0.6.3.0, hopefully it should work now (of course I can't test to verify).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dologan on 2008-09-29 22:48:50
To transfer the artwork, do load library, select everything, then right click and run 'Update metadata on iPod'.

I'm sorry if I am being obtuse, but where would the missing artwork have to be located in order for this to work?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: topdownjimmy on 2008-09-29 23:05:38
Using 0.6.2.9, don't seem to be able to get any artwork onto my 4G Nano.
Please try version 0.6.3.0, hopefully it should work now (of course I can't test to verify).

Worked beautifully.  Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dologan on 2008-09-30 00:25:33
Ah, a suggestion for a future version...

Today I discovered that I had sent to my iPod quite a few of tracks that had been converted using inferior settings than I intended and thus decided to replace them. However, doing so involved the hassle of hunting down the albums in question, since sending them again would just get them skipped...
I thought it would be a useful option if there were a way of toggling the behaviour when sending duplicate items between skip, replace and, perhaps, duplicate. Not sure if anyone would find that useful, but I certainly could have earlier today.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: wtstommy on 2008-09-30 22:56:37
I am having trouble with Album Art. Here is the situation: if I sent files to the iPod, then later add album art (via Album Art Downloader, saved as Folder.jpg), foo_dop has not been adding the album art to the files on the iPod. I select the files, right click, "Update metadata," and nothing happens. Reloading the iPod Media Library does not help. Using the most recent version of foo_dop and foobar.

After further testing, it appears that "Update metadata" does nothing whatsoever. I tried changing the album title, clicked update metadata, and the data was not updated on the iPod. Using the Classic 80gb.

Thanks. I love this plugin!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-30 23:30:33
After further testing, it appears that "Update metadata" does nothing whatsoever. I tried changing the album title, clicked update metadata, and the data was not updated on the iPod.
In which case you are doing something wrong.

1. You need to run the command on files physically located on your iPod.. i.e. do load library first
2. It reloads metadata from the file on your iPod
3. For artwork it will only fill missing artwork if the original file has not moved since you sent it.


I'm using the Album List (Panel) extension (with the Media Library feature). I've added all my songs to this media library. When I open this library and select "Sync with iPod", all songs are being synchronized, which is great - but unfortunately, all video files are being deleted, because they are in a separate playlist (which is not part of my media library).

Can you add some option not to synchronize all the video files?
Did you consider using the Sync command in the main menu and select your video playlist as well?

I'm sorry if I am being obtuse, but where would the missing artwork have to be located in order for this to work?
Wherever you would have it normally.. check your settings and click help when in doubt.

Worked beautifully.  Thanks!
Great!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: wtstommy on 2008-09-30 23:32:46
After further testing, it appears that "Update metadata" does nothing whatsoever. I tried changing the album title, clicked update metadata, and the data was not updated on the iPod.
In which case you are doing something wrong.

1. You need to run the command on files physically located on your iPod.. i.e. do load library first
2. It reloads metadata from the file on your iPod
3. For artwork it will only fill missing artwork if the original file has not moved since you sent it.


I believe I have done this. Here is the process I followed:

First, I "load library."
Then I select all the files in "iPod Media Library" and click "update metadata"
No album artwork is added, and things like "Album Title" are not changed on the ipod.

I have not moved any of my files.

Just to be clear, the album art is located on my computer in the same folder as the music being added. Sending a "fresh" set of files successfully adds the album art, but if I add the album art after sending the files to the ipod, it is not updated.

Perhaps I misunderstand what "Update Metadata" is supposed to do? I assumed that if I select a track on my ipod (in ipod media library) and then click "Update Metadata," then foo_dop checks the corresponding file on my computer to see if any of the metadata has changed, then updates to pod accordingly. Is this incorrect?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-09-30 23:36:13
No album artwork is added, and things like "Album Title" are not changed.
If you didn't change the file on the iPod it won't change.

Just to be clear, the album art is located on my computer in the same folder as the music being added. Sending a "fresh" set of files successfully adds the album art, but if I add the album art after sending the files to the ipod, it is not updated.
Check 'In DopDB' status under 'Manage contents'.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: wtstommy on 2008-10-01 00:37:01
No album artwork is added, and things like "Album Title" are not changed.
If you didn't change the file on the iPod it won't change.

Just to be clear, the album art is located on my computer in the same folder as the music being added. Sending a "fresh" set of files successfully adds the album art, but if I add the album art after sending the files to the ipod, it is not updated.
Check 'In DopDB' status under 'Manage contents'.


The songs in question are on the iPod, but not 'In DopDB'. Why is that?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-10-01 07:18:05
I am not psychic... but you may have sent them with an old version of foo_dop, or another program, or done something else to your iPod with another program that broke it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Northpack on 2008-10-01 15:16:45
"Update Metadata" doesn't work for me (I'm an a 5G) on updating album art aswell. The tracks are in DopDB but there ain't no album art after updating metadata on them (it's just a folder.jpg in the albums directory).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: qwerty85 on 2008-10-01 16:13:36
Quote
Did you consider using the Sync command in the main menu and select your video playlist as well?
Thank you very much.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chairman85 on 2008-10-02 03:11:44
I have an iPhone 3G, so I understand foo_dop does not support it.  However, would it be possible for me to write the albumgain property into soundcheck and then use iTunes to sync to it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: plissk3n on 2008-10-05 14:00:56
Heyho!
This plugin works perfect for me thank you very much!!!

But I wonder about the lyrics function. I know that the lyrics have to be saves as %unsynced lyrics%.
I have all my lyrics saved only as %lyrics% most of them with time stamps...

Could u add a lyrics field in the metadata preferences that foo_dop changes the id3tag into %unsynced lyrics%?
Maybe but not so important with an option to remove the timestamp.


Greetings!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TehNomad on 2008-10-05 20:42:21
Works great on my 5.5 gen iPod.

Could Last.fm support ever be added?  Or is it already possible to scrobble using foobar+scrobbler component?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kalmark on 2008-10-06 07:10:24
Works great on my 5.5 gen iPod.

Could Last.fm support ever be added?  Or is it already possible to scrobble using foobar+scrobbler component?

It's already possible: you need the latest version of foo_audioscrobbler (1.3.16 I think), and every time you do a write with foo_dop (send some music, delete some, rewrite db, etc), the playback statistics get imported to the scrobbler component and removed from the iPod. They will be sent to last.fm the next time anything is scrobbled, and they will be displayed with the actual played time (just like you'd expect).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2008-10-06 08:49:53
They will be sent to last.fm the next time anything is scrobbled
Or you can go in Preferences and manually send 'em.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Stormtrooper on 2008-10-09 03:49:07
I had this plugin working well with my iPod Touch. Since then I have done a restore on the device and reinstalled foobar. Now the plugin gives me the message "No iPod Found!". I have the mobile device option checked, and my firmware is 1.1.4 (not 2.x). The device is plugged in to my computer's USB port.

Am I missing something obvious here? I know it used to work ...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-10-09 22:32:40
Check the foobar2000 console, it should give some indication of what is going on.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Stormtrooper on 2008-10-10 00:32:24
Thanks for the reply. The relevant lines from the console are as follows:
Code: [Select]
Listening for Apple mobile devices.
Connected to Apple Mobile Device (DID: 1, PID: 4753, Serial: SERIAL_HERE)


Nothing else comes up when I try any of the plugin's functions, besides the message box that I mentioned.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-10-10 08:12:55
The next thing that happens is that it enumerates USB devices which may be failing. Did you update iTunes at all in all of this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Stormtrooper on 2008-10-10 18:57:03
The next thing that happens is that it enumerates USB devices which may be failing. Did you update iTunes at all in all of this?

I also re-installed iTunes. I am using 7.5. I can transfer songs to the device through iTunes without a problem.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-10-10 20:26:59
Strange, then. Unfortunately the component doesn't currently log anything if it fails to find the USB device. I was thinking an updated iPod driver, which would come with a newer version of iTunes, unless they put it on Windows Update? Or any changes to your OS?

Other possibility is you are using a different (newer) version of the component and something is broken there - can't see anything wrong, but not sure how many iPod touch/iPhone users remain, so something may have slipped through.

Otherwise, can you post your Device Instance ID/Path for your iPod touch. It should start with USB\VID_05AC&PID_129. To retrieve it, open up Device Manager, switch to "devices by connection" view, locate and expand your USB controllers, there should be an entry called something like Apple iPod, double click it and switch to the details tab, and select Device Instance Path or ID (whichever is there).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Stormtrooper on 2008-10-10 21:01:00
Otherwise, can you post your Device Instance ID/Path for your iPod touch. It should start with USB\VID_05AC&PID_129. To retrieve it, open up Device Manager, switch to "devices by connection" view, locate and expand your USB controllers, there should be an entry called something like Apple iPod, double click it and switch to the details tab, and select Device Instance Path or ID (whichever is there).

USB\VID_05AC&PID_1291\D7248A0D3DB850BC388B2E8B67D8BF0EFDA4C28D

I didn't make any OS changes during this time. I guess I'll try some different combinations and see if I can get it to work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-10-10 21:53:02
As long as the last part of that matches up (apart from case) with the "serial" posted in the console, that looks good. I will send you a version with more logging shortly.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Stormtrooper on 2008-10-10 22:03:09
Good news: I went through and uninstalled iTunes again, and uninstalled "Apple Mobile Device Support" as well. Then I re-installed iTunes (7.5), and when I connected my iPod touch, Windows went through the device detection process as if I had connected it for the first time. And now the plugin works as well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-10-10 22:07:18
OK. Not sure what exactly happened then, but I'll keep some of the extra logging in next build anyway.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tK0N3 on 2008-10-11 06:22:04
seriously... what is needed in the source script to xfer the artwork in the same folder and my jpgs are not folder.jpg, it worked before but at the same time i dont remember what i had used before.

and to be honest i really have no idea how to do relative or absolute path.. :sighs:
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-10-12 09:32:20
How are the artwork files named?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: psychodelicate on 2008-10-12 13:53:21
I use the synchronize feature. If I used File Operations to rename a song file on my laptop (that was also on my iPod), when I synchronized my iPod would the song get removed and added again, or would it just be added from the new location and the first track end up orphaned or I'd end up with doubles on my iPod...?  (I'm asking because I'm in the process of renaming and retagging my library, and in case it's the latter, I want to prevent a disaster.  )
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jeriko on 2008-10-16 19:05:26
*Problem FIXED*

and btw: AWESOME PLUGIN!
Keep on the good work. Its so fantastic that Im not force to use this itunes crap
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2008-10-17 22:03:29
I'm forced to upgrade from 1.1.4 ipod touch firmaware more and more. It's becoming really obsolete... And this will make me use iTunes... I really do hope someone will decrypt databases soon, because I don't want to use it really...

also, musicmusic, I have another question:
There one feature of iTunes 8, I want to try (no, it's not Genious - i don't care about it at all). How safe is to install it in relation with foo_dop?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dremora on 2008-10-18 20:09:26
It would be nice to have an option for disabling changed modification date checks when using Sync. I have checkbox "Automatically synchronize file tags with statistics" enabled and don't want to disable it.
Also, sometimes when I open "iPod Contents" and click on my iPod, I don't see any files (if I reopen this window, the files are back).
If a single file with both RG values is added to iPod (with "ReplayGain scan converted files" option checked), RG wouldn't convert to SoundCheck.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Crossbar on 2008-10-19 00:59:50
Great component, even better than iTunes, at least in terms of operation speed and convenience, however I still haven't figured out how to update the tags of files in my iPod, right now I have to remove the files and re-send the files with updated tags, already tried the "Update the metadata on iPod" function but it didn't work. Can you cast a light on that? Thanks:)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Crossbar on 2008-10-19 01:51:11
Great component, even better than iTunes, at least in terms of operation speed and convenience, however I still haven't figured out how to update the tags of files in my iPod, right now I have to remove the files and re-send the files with updated tags, already tried the "Update the metadata on iPod" function but it didn't work. Can you cast a light on that? Thanks:)


Aha, I've just worked it out, not sure if it's the best way, please correct me if not. Thanks! 

Load iPod library on foobar -> change some tags -> use "Update the metadata on iPod"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hengest on 2008-10-20 14:43:03
As the latest fb2k version, 0.9.6, automatically keeps track of content inside of media library folders, is it still necessary for foo_dop to scan the folders itself every time it synchronizes an iPod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-10-20 22:20:23
I use the synchronize feature. If I used File Operations to rename a song file on my laptop (that was also on my iPod), when I synchronized my iPod would the song get removed and added again, or would it just be added from the new location and the first track end up orphaned or I'd end up with doubles on my iPod...?
If you retag, the old file will be removed and the new one copied. If you only rename, nothing will happen.

I'm forced to upgrade from 1.1.4 ipod touch firmaware more and more. It's becoming really obsolete... And this will make me use iTunes... I really do hope someone will decrypt databases soon, because I don't want to use it really...
I understand and wouldn't blame you if you updated. If you didn't notice MediaMonkey people came up with a solution: they didn't reverse engineer the algorithm, but instead seem to have ripped the parts of iTunes.exe that calculate it and shoved them into a separate binary. It's messy. I would re-use this but still need to reverse this approach anyway (and I would not distribute that dodgy file myself).

There one feature of iTunes 8, I want to try (no, it's not Genious - i don't care about it at all). How safe is to install it in relation with foo_dop?
Have not encountered any interoperability problems with my classic, but I don't know about iPod touch/iPhone. I don't think there should be any problems.

As the latest fb2k version, 0.9.6, automatically keeps track of content inside of media library folders, is it still necessary for foo_dop to scan the folders itself every time it synchronizes an iPod?
It doesn't scan the folders, it just checks if any of the files have been modified, because it requires a correct modified date and some other stuff to function correctly. It does that on any file you decide to send; it doesn't take an unreasonable time here so I don't know if your library is huge or your hard drive is slow or.... Anyway I can't really answer 0.9.6 questions fully until SDK and possibly final version are released.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hengest on 2008-10-21 04:28:15
It doesn't scan the folders, it just checks if any of the files have been modified, because it requires a correct modified date and some other stuff to function correctly. It does that on any file you decide to send; it doesn't take an unreasonable time here so I don't know if your library is huge or your hard drive is slow or.... Anyway I can't really answer 0.9.6 questions fully until SDK and possibly final version are released.

Ok sure... probably because of a large library
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Crossbar on 2008-10-21 05:20:36
I have one more question, just wonder if the component able to snyc files on iPod with original files on foobar, for instance, if I rate a song 4 stars on iPod, can I have the same song on my hard disk rated with 4 stars through sync.? Any suggestions will be appreciated!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dremora on 2008-10-21 07:02:26
It would be nice to have an option for disabling changed modification date checks when using Sync. I have checkbox "Automatically synchronize file tags with statistics" enabled and don't want to disable it.
Also, sometimes when I open "iPod Contents" and click on my iPod, I don't see any files (if I reopen this window, the files are back).
If a single file with both RG values is added to iPod (with "ReplayGain scan converted files" option checked), RG wouldn't convert to SoundCheck.

I would also like to be able to edit Album sort field.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bekanor on 2008-10-21 09:49:22
This is an awesome component.


I bought a 120gb Ipod Classic the other day and DOP saved my ass from itunes (except that I had to install itunes to do a restore on the Ipod because unsurprisingly, it came with a software bug out of the box, go go apple QC), so this gets my personal thumbs up.


Win stuff.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Vitriolic on 2008-10-25 03:21:14
I would also like to be able to edit Album sort field.


This would be a big help.  I want to have my albums sort by the release date, not alphabetically.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Vitriolic on 2008-10-25 23:22:29
In the mean time, here's what I have done to get my albums sorting by the date, rather than alphabetically - And by this I should point out that I don't ever browse my collection by "albums" but rather by the artist.

In the iPod Manager preferences page, under Database, I edited the "Album" line to look like this:

'('%date%')' - %album%

Which apparently alters the metadata going up on the iPod so that the album title includes the date first. 

1968 - Led Zeppelin
1969 - Led Zeppelin II
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xezzy on 2008-10-26 11:57:34
I insolently wait for 'syncing playback statistics' feature :> Yeah you spoiled us.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Lord_Daftwager on 2008-11-05 18:22:36
Is there a way to access the artwork for music that was loaded to my iPod with foo_dop?  Some of the music on my iPod were uploaded using iTunes and those have the art embedded. The rest were uploaded using foo_dop without embedded art.  I can get the embedded artwork out just fine, but the rest of the album covers are a mystery.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PlazzTT on 2008-11-06 12:08:53
Can someone confirm that it's not possible to send tracks to the iPod if they're stored on the iPod hard-drive?

(I use my iPod as a USB drive also, and save MP3's on to it and play them from there in foobar2000. When I have them tagged properly and want to add them to my iPod database, it doesn't work)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Crossbar on 2008-11-07 03:09:04
In the mean time, here's what I have done to get my albums sorting by the date, rather than alphabetically - And by this I should point out that I don't ever browse my collection by "albums" but rather by the artist.

In the iPod Manager preferences page, under Database, I edited the "Album" line to look like this:

'('%date%')' - %album%

Which apparently alters the metadata going up on the iPod so that the album title includes the date first. 

1968 - Led Zeppelin
1969 - Led Zeppelin II


Wow, that's what I'm looking for. Thanks!!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: azza on 2008-11-11 06:20:39
Ok, I am a noob, but I got a six month old nano from a friend and installed foo dop, sent some albums to it, and now my ipod says that it has 0 songs on it. My friend had been using foo as well.

Has anyone seen this before? I don't have itunes installed, and like the idea of having an ipod without it,but if I can't sort this out I might have to install it so I can purge the machine and start again.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-11-11 07:08:24
What version of the component are you using?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TehNomad on 2008-11-11 21:51:07
I need a little help with title formatting.  I want my iPod to use the %album artist% for the Artist metadata unless it doesn't exist or the %album artist% is Various Artists.  Can anyone write me string?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: azza on 2008-11-11 22:23:45
What version of the component are you using?


I got 0.6.2.6 from your site.

But unfortunately I have had to install itunes and restore.

Thanks,

A.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-11-11 23:00:04
But unfortunately I have had to install itunes and restore.
What does that mean - it is working now?

There is an iPod driver included with iTunes - not sure if it actually makes a difference with regards to this component. If not that then the restore would have sorted it out in some way but difficult to say why.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: azza on 2008-11-12 07:03:46
But unfortunately I have had to install itunes and restore.
What does that mean - it is working now?

There is an iPod driver included with iTunes - not sure if it actually makes a difference with regards to this component. If not that then the restore would have sorted it out in some way but difficult to say why.


Yeah, it is working now.

I restored once with itunes and then tried foo dop again, sending a couple of albums across. The ipod said there were 0 songs, even though foo dop's library showed that they had been copied across. So I restored again and now I've successfully put about 50 albums on it.

If you want to try and find out why it might not have worked, ask me some questions and I will try to answer. I'm not a tech tho, so it's all a bit beyond me.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BiT on 2008-11-12 13:50:14
Have you got any updates about the genius function yet?

Thanks for this awesome plugin!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: p00kie on 2008-11-12 15:51:41
Hi there,

Trying to run this plugin with newest foobar (foobar2000 v0.9.5.6) on Windows Vista x64 SP1.

I am so far unsuccessful. foobar continues to crash giving error whenever I try to File -> Load Playlist -> iPod.

Any comments/advice?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BiT on 2008-11-12 16:10:56
I don't know why it isn't working, but I can say it should.
I am on Vista x64 SP1 as well, and it all works like a charm.

What version of the plugin are you using with what type of iPod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: p00kie on 2008-11-12 18:10:22
I don't know why it isn't working, but I can say it should.
I am on Vista x64 SP1 as well, and it all works like a charm.

What version of the plugin are you using with what type of iPod?


ipod shuffle

foo dop latest version 0.6.2.6

upon choosing File->ipod->load library foobar crashes with error:

Unhandled exception: bad allocation
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-11-12 18:11:37
ipod shuffle

foo dop latest version 0.6.2.6

upon choosing File->ipod->load library foobar crashes with error:

Unhandled exception: bad allocation
It shouldn't be unhandled. But try a restore using iTunes - the database may be corrupt.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: p00kie on 2008-11-12 18:41:34
ipod shuffle

foo dop latest version 0.6.2.6

upon choosing File->ipod->load library foobar crashes with error:

Unhandled exception: bad allocation
It shouldn't be unhandled. But try a restore using iTunes - the database may be corrupt.


restored using itunes - still have error
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-11-12 18:47:47
Strange. Can you make a backup (using 7-Zip) of your iPod_Control\iTunes folder on your iPod, upload it on e.g. mediafire.com and PM me the link.

Also in foobar2000 can you go under File/Preferences/Components, and press copy and paste the results here in [codebox ] tags. Thanks.

[edit] I can't see any possibility of Unhandled exception on my side, so not sure where it is originating from. Any idea what step of the process this happens on?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: p00kie on 2008-11-12 18:50:16
Strange. Can you make a backup (using 7-Zip) of your iPod_Control\iTunes folder on your iPod, upload it on e.g. mediafire.com and PM me the link.

Also in foobar2000 can you go under File/Preferences/Components, and press copy and paste the results here in [codebox ] tags. Thanks.

Code: [Select]
Core (2008-09-22 07:31:58)
    foobar2000 core 0.9.5.6
foo_abx.dll (2008-05-24 10:23:50)
    ABX Comparator 1.3.3
foo_albumlist.dll (2008-05-24 10:23:40)
    Album List 4.2.2
foo_browser.dll (2007-03-23 17:53:12)
    Music Browser 1.2.3b [Mar 23 2007 - 16:52:56]
foo_cdda.dll (2008-05-24 10:23:34)
    CD Audio Decoder 2.1.2
foo_channel_mixer.dll (2008-01-28 23:37:25)
    Channel Mixer 0.9.6.4
foo_converter.dll (2008-05-24 10:23:34)
    Converter 1.1.1
foo_dop.dll (2008-09-28 15:00:59)
    iPod manager 0.6.3.0
foo_dsp_atsurround.dll (2006-10-29 11:05:04)
    ATSurround Processor 0.1.6a
foo_dsp_std.dll (2008-05-24 10:23:52)
    Standard DSP Array 1.0
foo_fileops.dll (2008-05-24 10:23:20)
    File Operations 2.1
foo_freedb2.dll (2008-05-24 10:24:02)
    freedb Tagger 0.6
foo_input_std.dll (2008-05-24 10:24:18)
    Standard Input Array 1.0
foo_masstag.dll (2007-04-20 14:33:44)
    Masstagger 1.6
foo_playcount.dll (2008-10-29 13:26:22)
    Playback Statistics 2.1.6
foo_rgscan.dll (2008-05-24 10:23:44)
    ReplayGain Scanner 2.0.6
foo_ui_columns.dll (2008-09-11 17:44:28)
    Columns UI 0.3.4.2
foo_ui_std.dll (2008-05-24 10:23:58)
    Default User Interface 0.9.5
foo_uie_albumart.dll (2006-04-29 22:57:06)
    Album Art Panel 0.164a
foo_uie_playlists_dropdown.dll (2006-06-12 16:27:22)
    Playlists Dropdown 0.6 alpha 3
foo_uie_single_column_playlist.dll (2006-11-25 00:31:56)
    Single Column Playlist Display 0.5.4 beta [Nov 24 2006 - 21:31:48]
foo_uie_trackinfo_mod.dll (2006-12-06 17:21:34)
    Track info panel mod 0.8.0 beta [Dec  6 2006 - 14:21:24]
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-11-12 18:56:36
You have a few components that are most likely affected by a bug in an old version of the foobar2000 SDK. I would advise you to either try a clean install of foobar2000; or try foobar2000 0.9.6 beta which should stop any such components from loading.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BiT on 2008-11-12 21:02:35
Just a quick question...

I bought a new iPod today, a 120GB Classic. Replacing my 30GB 5.5Gen.
I loaded my music onto it, without a problem, it was a lot faster for some reason (new HD in the iPod?)

Anyway, I bought the iPod for the bigger HD, but got some new features with it along the way...
1. The Genius function. I asked about it a few posts back, how is support coming along? Any testing I can help with?

2. Coverflow. Works alright. Too bad the iPod doesn't sort per album, but per artist. This gives me the problem of having a lot of entries for compilation albums. I tried to add IPOD_COMPILATION to the tags, suggested by http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:metadata (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:metadata) this page. But it doesn't work. I have also tagged all my compilations with Album artists and all the standard tags. What am I missing? Or is this impossible?

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sirDaniel on 2008-11-13 09:41:05
Hi, In my opinion foobar+dop is the best program to loading music on ipod. But there is one problem i cant resolve.
How to order playlists on ipod alphabetically? Every new playlist i add, goes at the botom of the list. Any clues?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: FavioD on 2008-11-13 14:27:30
I have also tagged all my compilations with Album artists and all the standard tags. What am I missing? Or is this impossible?


I put 'Various Artists' as the album artist tag and keep the artists names in the artist tag, works fine for me.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BiT on 2008-11-13 21:20:05
That doesn't seem to be working for me :\

Are you talking about Coverflow as well?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: UnduTheGun on 2008-11-15 22:20:52
thanks for this plugin, works great with my 4g nano
(using 0.6.3.0)

Just a pair of questions: can't the foobar built in converter be used? (for the multithreading conversion, mainly)

and

Do the covers get convertedto the ipod resolution? I tendo to have quite big covers, it should drain quite a lot of power from the ipod to resize those images on the fly. =p
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-11-15 23:35:33
Anyway, I bought the iPod for the bigger HD, but got some new features with it along the way...
1. The Genius function. I asked about it a few posts back, how is support coming along? Any testing I can help with?
Ignoring the database side of things, from what I could see in iTunes it is largely based on the iTunes music store. I don't have any comparable data source. The process of finding tracks that "go great together" itself is not straight forward.

Just a pair of questions: can't the foobar built in converter be used?
Nope, not possible.

(for the multithreading conversion, mainly)
It does do that.

Do the covers get convertedto the ipod resolution?
Yes
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: UnduTheGun on 2008-11-16 13:07:24
oh, ok, then it's just seems to be slow, (maybe because of the lack of a progress bar), thanks for the answers 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Lord_Daftwager on 2008-11-17 20:04:48
Is there a way to access the artwork for music that was loaded to my iPod with foo_dop?  Some of the music on my iPod were uploaded using iTunes and those have the art embedded. The rest were uploaded using foo_dop without embedded art.  I can get the embedded artwork out just fine, but the rest of the album covers are a mystery.


I would love to find out how to do this.  If I can upload artwork with my albums to the ipod there must be a way to get them back off!  Am I missing something obvious?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-11-20 23:24:27
I only saw this today, but it's probably relevant I post it for anyone vaguely interested with iPhone/iPod touch 2.x software support:
http://bluwiki.com/go/Ipodhash/Takedown (http://bluwiki.com/go/Ipodhash/Takedown)

The question is whether they will leave Mediamonkey alone, or not.

Is there a way to access the artwork for music that was loaded to my iPod with foo_dop?  Some of the music on my iPod were uploaded using iTunes and those have the art embedded. The rest were uploaded using foo_dop without embedded art.  I can get the embedded artwork out just fine, but the rest of the album covers are a mystery.
I would love to find out how to do this.  If I can upload artwork with my albums to the ipod there must be a way to get them back off!  Am I missing something obvious?
They are stored on the iPod in formats optimised for its display. Technically of course you can retrieve those, but not using this component.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2008-11-21 00:04:53
I only saw this today, but it's probably relevant I post it for anyone vaguely interested with iPhone/iPod touch 2.x software support:
http://bluwiki.com/go/Ipodhash/Takedown (http://bluwiki.com/go/Ipodhash/Takedown)


Very well, actually, I'm studying law and this issue, not this one particularly, but in general, the way how Apple handles their hardware is tickling me quite some time... I can see how this can be unconstitutional.
Yeah, but this doesn't mean that hacking specific piece of software isn't a violation...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-11-21 08:12:58
Very well, actually, I'm studying law and this issue, not this one particularly, but in general, the way how Apple handles their hardware is tickling me quite some time... I can see how this can be unconstitutional. Yeah, but this doesn't mean that hacking specific piece of software isn't a violation...
I'm not sure where the DMCA violation is  Possibly they re-used some part of Fairplay in their protection mechanism, I'm not sure what else they could be trying to say.

I also just noticed it was posted on Slashdot, there's some reasonable points in which of the comments: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10...mp;cid=25837581 (http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1036699&cid=25837581)

Yes but things are getting messier. With regards to Mediamonkey specfically.. they are in a worse position because of the method they used (I described it before). I don't know what Apple's intentions are here.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kwanbis on 2008-11-21 12:38:49
IIIRC there was a part on the DMCA where it said something about the protection not being obvious or easy to defeat.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2008-11-22 15:20:21
Wait a moment.... Ipod Hash wiki on Bluwiki was the one, used with 1.x firmwares, wasn't it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-11-22 20:54:05
nope.. it was work on the 2.x firmware support. Keep in mind it's a wiki.. You know what you can normally do there right  (It also seems like this lawyer tried to edit out his phone number on a wiki )

Slight development: http://sam.bluwiki.com/blog/2008/11/suppor...d-author-of.php (http://sam.bluwiki.com/blog/2008/11/support-free-speech-find-author-of.php)

BTW: Is anyone interested in a VBS script to convert videos for playback on an iPod (using ffmpeg & neroaacenc)? You just drag as many files as you want onto the .vbs file and it will convert them. If so I will clean it up a bit and put it on the wiki some place.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: inatightspot on 2008-11-23 15:00:53
foo_dop is an iPod management component for foobar2000 0.9.5+.

Home page with details and download (http://yuo.be/ipod.php)

Notes and changelog moved here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:dop). If you read the notes before asking any questions, it will keep me happy

Is there a beta version for 1st gen Fw 2.1 ipod touch?
Will it be supported and if so do you need testers?
Mine is jailbroken if that makes any difference.

Moderation:Removed duplicate post.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: willardjuice on 2008-11-24 20:28:15
Man this whole thing is killing me.  My touch experience would 100% better if I could just use iPod manager (I know it's not your fault, and I love the work you have done with columns ui + ipod manager).  There are so many things about iTunes that are extremely annoying, not to mention their "SoundCheck" technology (or whatever their ReplayGain equivalent is called) is god awful.  Not much we can do I guess.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-11-25 00:12:47
Is there a beta version for 1st gen Fw 2.1 ipod touch?
Will it be supported and if so do you need testers?
Mine is jailbroken if that makes any difference.
This will/has come up a few times, I created a wiki page with some info on status:
http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:iphone_2.x (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:iphone_2.x)

Man this whole thing is killing me. My touch experience would 100% better if I could just use iPod manager (I know it's not your fault, and I love the work you have done with columns ui + ipod manager).  There are so many things about iTunes that are extremely annoying, not to mention their "SoundCheck" technology (or whatever their ReplayGain equivalent is called) is god awful.  Not much we can do I guess.
I won't start on iTunes  It's all unfortunate - not sure what we can do either except spread the story around.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: nikolai4ik on 2008-12-06 09:29:34
Can anyone tell me please, does foo_dop work with playback statistics (transfering play counts and play dates to file tags)?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NinjaN on 2008-12-07 11:11:32
First of all, Thank you very much for this plugin!

It works great for me and my iPod nano 4th Gen...


I just have one problem:

When I send files to my iPod, the artwork is not transferred as it should be.
I checked "Add Artwork to files sent to iPod" and set the source script to"./folder"

In my library, there's the following structure:
Code: [Select]
mp3
+  Artists
   +  A
      + Audioslave
         + Audioslave - 2002 - Audioslave
            <Songs from this album>
            folder.jpg

So, every last folder is an album and contains folder.jpg

What do I have to put in "Source Script" for my artwork to be transferred automatically?



NinjaN
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2008-12-07 16:21:08
File>Preferences>Tools>iPod Manager>iPod Features (tab)

Check off "Add artwork to send to iPod"

Source script: folder


That should do the trick for you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NinjaN on 2008-12-08 21:23:40
I've identified my problem:

It seems for artwork to work as expected foobar2000 needs Admin rights!


I'm running a security tool (SuRun) which has me have limited rights but can give me admin privileges for a millisecond when starting applications (so they then have admin privileges as well).


When I start foobar2000 without admin privileges, I get the following message in the console:
Code: [Select]
Failed to get iPod Property list: CreateFile failed: Zugriff verweigert  . Artwork functionality will be unavaiable

I can configure the component to whatever I like, artwork is never transferred!
Furthermore, I can't get any info to show in "iPod" --> "Properties", there I get the following message:
Code: [Select]
Failed to send SCSI Inquiry command: CreateFile failed: Zugriff verweigert  
Trying to read SysInfo. Model may not be identified if SCSI Inquiry failed due to denied access.

Model: Unknown.
Serial Number:



When starting foobar2000 with admin rights, I get no such message. Artwork is then transferred when I check "Add Artwork to files sent to iPod" and set the source script to "folder". "Additionally use foobar2000 built-in artwork reader" is checked off...


I had no such trouble when using iTunes (7.0.4) or Floola (3.5 I think), so there must be a way around this.

I don't remember if I used SuRun before I got my iPod, if not there could be some file access restrictions on the artwork database or the file system itself, right?



NinjaN
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-12-08 21:40:59
Can anyone tell me please, does foo_dop work with playback statistics (transfering play counts and play dates to file tags)?
Play counts are copied in one direction - to the iPod - only.

It seems for artwork to work as expected foobar2000 needs Admin rights!
On Windows XP it does need admin rights, yes. Windows Vista does not have this restriction. This info is buried in some places (changelog, this thread probably).

(If you are running Vista/your program SuRun is going below standard user rights, then well you can blame that.)

I had no such trouble when using iTunes (7.0.4) or Floola (3.5 I think), so there must be a way around this.
iTunes uses a service. Maybe you could consider that my component is more sophisticated than Floola....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2008-12-08 21:58:05
At work I do not have admin rights, so to be able to transfer artwork to my iPod I use version 0.5.4. It's the last version that I know of that is not restricted by admin rights in XP.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: joltz on 2008-12-08 23:46:21
I can not sync my whole library in Foobar2000. I can sync a couple albums, even whole artists, but I can not sync my small library of 2800 songs. I usually sync all of it, and then I get a "Delayed write failed" error bubble, although it continues syncing. After it's done, I get a "Error writing iTunesDB file". I look at the errors and it goes like this.

It syncs all the songs up til ONE (I've tried this multiple times), and then all songs after that it says "Could not find file" for every song and album art. I have done a chkdsk p:/F multiple times, have restored it DOZENS of times, and have used a different USB port, and a different iPod wire to sync. Nothing has worked.

Can somebody please help me? (Btw I am using updated versions of foo_dop and Foobar2k.

Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2008-12-08 23:50:03
You really should post this at foo_dop, not here at foo_pod, They are different plugins, altogether.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ExUser on 2008-12-09 02:25:41
Problem solved, drbeachboy.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-12-09 07:21:21
I can not sync my whole library in Foobar2000. I can sync a couple albums, even whole artists, but I can not sync my small library of 2800 songs. I usually sync all of it, and then I get a "Delayed write failed" error bubble, although it continues syncing. After it's done, I get a "Error writing iTunesDB file". I look at the errors and it goes like this.[...]
Try another computer. If it still doesn't work, your iPod is broken.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ExUser on 2008-12-15 18:54:56
Wow. I just reinstalled to foo_dop to borrow my sister's iPod. I'm quite impressed. There has been a lot of work put into this component since I used it last. Well-done, musicmusic.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: qwerty85 on 2008-12-16 17:03:20
While synchronizing, I would like iPod Manager not to delete all my playlists I created on the iPod (e.g. On-The-Go).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zzeitg on 2008-12-22 19:15:48
Hi, I am wondering 'bout one thing... If I am not wrong, iPod (6th gen. in my case) should support lyrics view during song playing.

And in Foobar I can insert the lyrics into music file (tag LYRICS).

I have no idea if iPod is using this tag, or if it stores the lyrics somewhere else separately during sync iTunes<--> iPod.

Anyway, would it be possible to integrate some kind of lyrics transformation (similar to the albumart  function), so that I can add lyrics to my favourite songs in foobar2000 and transmitt it to iPod using iPod manager in such a way, that i can view it on iPod later on?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-12-22 20:54:00
You need to use UNSYNCED LYRICS for MP3 and LYRICS for MP4.

"Don't ask me why"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chaser on 2008-12-23 01:20:59
Would you be willing to add a function that automatically transfers timestamped lyrics as unsynched Lyrics to the iPod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: nbv4 on 2008-12-23 18:00:13
For the past 4 years or so, I've accumulated a large collection of album art images that reside in E:\covers, and they are all named in this format: %album artist% - %album%.jpg (or .gif or whatever)

How can I add them to my iPod? I cleared the contents of my iPod, and then had foo_dop synchronize my foobar library with the iPod, which worked great, except no album art files were added. I had the "use foobar album art fetching" box (or something to that effect) checked, thinking that would use the settings I had set in the album art panel settings. So I then added "E:\covers\$album artist% - %album%" in the box and resync'd, but still no album art imaged were added. What do I need to do here? Do I have to wipe clean my iPod again, and start from scratch? I'd really rather not do that because much of my collection is .wv, which takes forever to encode into an iPod-friendly format (my only windows computer is a 10 year old celeron laptop)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-12-23 18:09:27
If you have pointed the component in the right place, do "File/iPod/Load library" and then select everything and run "iPod/Update metadata [...]".
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Twaize on 2008-12-25 11:53:01
I've searched around a bit for this, and found no answer.
I'm using foo_dop to sync music with my iPod, but when it does so, it deletes the movies I added in iTunes.
Is there a way to sync the movies in foobar? foo_dop includs an option to make video screens, I just don't know who to add the files to foobar.
They are in mp4 format, but they don't show up anywhere?

Thank you
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: EagleScout1998 on 2008-12-25 14:08:51
I'm using foo_dop to sync music with my iPod, but when it does so, it deletes the movies I added in iTunes.


Use the "Send to iPod" option instead of "Sync with iPod." Using the sync option will remove any files from the iPod that are not also in the music library . . . hence the term "sync."
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Twaize on 2008-12-25 15:32:05

I'm using foo_dop to sync music with my iPod, but when it does so, it deletes the movies I added in iTunes.


Use the "Send to iPod" option instead of "Sync with iPod." Using the sync option will remove any files from the iPod that are not also in the music library . . . hence the term "sync."


Yes, I'm aware of that.
I was wondering if it was possible to sync my iPod and get the video files transferred as well?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-12-27 20:46:06
While synchronizing, I would like iPod Manager not to delete all my playlists I created on the iPod (e.g. On-The-Go).
It's slightly complicated due to the way sync currently works - any files recopied by the component would be removed from the playlists. It may change at some point though.

Would you be willing to add a function that automatically transfers timestamped lyrics as unsynched Lyrics to the iPod?
The component doesn't modify files copied to the iPod (except transcodes) nor does it read ID3 tags directly. Hence the answer is no, you could just do it manually on your songs.

I've searched around a bit for this, and found no answer.
I'm using foo_dop to sync music with my iPod, but when it does so, it deletes the movies I added in iTunes.
Is there a way to sync the movies in foobar? foo_dop includs an option to make video screens, I just don't know who to add the files to foobar.
They are in mp4 format, but they don't show up anywhere?

Thank you
Add them to a playlist in foobar2000, use the Video tagger on them, and then include the playlist when syncing. As far as the thumbnails go, press help on the prefs page for more info.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2008-12-30 21:59:41
Anyway, I bought the iPod for the bigger HD, but got some new features with it along the way...
1. The Genius function. I asked about it a few posts back, how is support coming along? Any testing I can help with?
Ignoring the database side of things, from what I could see in iTunes it is largely based on the iTunes music store. I don't have any comparable data source. The process of finding tracks that "go great together" itself is not straight forward.

I don't know if you've considered it, but what about Last.fm as a data source? They have both artist and album recommendations, like this: http://www.last.fm/music/Bob+Dylan/_/Like+...+Stone/+similar (http://www.last.fm/music/Bob+Dylan/_/Like+a+Rolling+Stone/+similar). The method is documented here: http://www.last.fm/api/show?service=319 (http://www.last.fm/api/show?service=319).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2008-12-30 22:13:13
I don't know if you've considered it, but what about Last.fm as a data source? They have both artist and album recommendations, like this: http://www.last.fm/music/Bob+Dylan/_/Like+...+Stone/+similar (http://www.last.fm/music/Bob+Dylan/_/Like+a+Rolling+Stone/+similar). The method is documented here: http://www.last.fm/api/show?service=319 (http://www.last.fm/api/show?service=319).


Of course, I'm not the developer, but I think this is not very much in the topic of the component... foo_dop is music manager, thing, that uploads stuff from foobar to ipod. Generating playlist and finding similar music is something different. Besides, iTunes work in such a way, that all music ever played on them is stored in the library. On the other hand, library in foobar is optional.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2008-12-30 22:17:25
@Dereks: If you read the posts I've replied to, they regard the Genius function on (newer) iPods which lets users generate playlists with similar songs without the need of a computer.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-12-30 23:31:16
It's an idea certainly. Somehow though I just don't think they would be too pleased though with every user of this component making requests for each of the ~3000 (or whatever) tracks in their (iPod) library.

But yes it would probably be a better idea having the equivalent "Genius" functionality implemented in a separate component and having foo_dop interface with that. That way you could use it generally in foobar2000 also.

It's slightly moot though since I don't know the database format of the genius data. I don't seem to have any example databases with genius data either.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Woodenhead on 2008-12-31 01:31:30
I'm really liking the concept of this plugin. I finally totally dumped itunes & gave this a go. Ran into some problems, though:

- I'm now missing album art in a great deal of my ipod library. I specified "thumbnail.jpg" in the settings, as I have that as a small art file in every album folder (along with the .mp3s) Some were added, some weren't, and some albums that shouldn't have been touched are now missing artwork. (on my ipod, not my PC)  (FYI I also have artwork embedded in every .mp3 file, no bigger than 250x250)

- When I scroll through my library, and it kicks in to "letter mode" (when it starts scrolling through the alphabet) it gets glitchy - the letters aren't exactly sequential. They are semi-orderly, with random letters added in. (the letter T seems to come up 75% of the time) Rather than make things quicker, it really slows things down, which is unfortunate, as my ipod library is quite large. 

Specs: latest foo_dop, foobar 9.5.5, 5Gen 60GB iPod with upgraded HD (100GB) ~ 12,500 songs. Vista 64 bit, quad core, 8GB RAM

I initially used the sync function, BTW.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-12-31 02:39:37
Problem 1. Look at preferences page again.
Problem 2. Also look at preferences page.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Woodenhead on 2008-12-31 03:21:44
Problem 1 - iPod Features tab
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2008-12-31 11:51:44
But as an example in dop:notes, the extension is listed. I must've gone by that page's example or misunderstood.  :/
Ooops, I think the default setting has mislead you. I will fix, thanks. I added some notes on wiki page also on how to now add artwork for files on the iPod without any.

And I guess I'll live with the letter glitch - I'd rather that than listing everything by "The".
Do you run the latest firmware? (version 1.3 apparently) I thought it may have been fixed in that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Woodenhead on 2008-12-31 17:17:45
Yes, it's version 1.3. No matter - it's something I can live with.  :]
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sylla on 2009-01-02 01:29:09
I've got a problem, I don't know if it's because of this component, the iPod or even foobar2000, but maybe someone can help. I am using windows XP sp3, foobar2000 0.9.6.1 beta 1, foo_dop 0.6.2.8 and an iPod classic 120 gb.

It started a few weeks ago, it seemed like a file had become corrupted on the iPod. I couldn't sync it or load the library in foobar, when it was reading through the ipodlibrary and came to a specific file it just hanged, and after a while there was this error message: I/O error (win32 #87). There was no problem using the unconnected iPod, I could even play the corrupted file on it, but there was no way to add new music to it, so after a while I took the time to download iTunes to remove everything from it, as I couldn't do that using foo_dop. Then I removed the whole album from where the problem file was on from the computer, and for a couple of syncs everything went perfect but now I have the same problem again, with another file.

If it's the only thing I can do, I guess I'll download iTunes again, but I really don't want to, and I'm afraid I'll just be having the same problem again. Does anyone have any thoughts on what might cause this? How can I prevent it from happening again? I have a quite large library, and have used up about 100 gb of the 111 gb capacity, it cannot have anything to do with fragmentation of files, can it? I don't have any idea, I just think I must be doing something wrong since I'm having the same problem twice, also, my library consist of almost only MP3 V0 files not from the pirate bay or limewire, so I don't think it's the files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-02 22:12:58
It sounds like possibly some issue with the hard drive in your iPod. The file it is hanging on now has probably been written where the other one was. Try copying the file it is hanging on from the iPod using Windows Explorer.

chkdsk /r is an option but it may not be what you want to do (or do anything useful).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Twaize on 2009-01-03 05:47:24
I've searched around a bit for this, and found no answer.
I'm using foo_dop to sync music with my iPod, but when it does so, it deletes the movies I added in iTunes.
Is there a way to sync the movies in foobar? foo_dop includs an option to make video screens, I just don't know who to add the files to foobar.
They are in mp4 format, but they don't show up anywhere?

Thank you
Add them to a playlist in foobar2000, use the Video tagger on them, and then include the playlist when syncing. As far as the thumbnails go, press help on the prefs page for more info.


This is what I haven't been able to do, they don't show up.
How can I add video files to foobar?

Thank you
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-03 16:58:57
They have .mp4 file extension? Where did they come from?

Try adding them to a playlist via "File/Add files..." and see if there are any errors displayed or in console.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2009-01-04 07:12:48
It started a few weeks ago, it seemed like a file had become corrupted on the iPod. I couldn't sync it or load the library in foobar, when it was reading through the ipodlibrary and came to a specific file it just hanged, and after a while there was this error message: I/O error (win32 #87). There was no problem using the unconnected iPod, I could even play the corrupted file on it, but there was no way to add new music to it, so after a while I took the time to download iTunes to remove everything from it, as I couldn't do that using foo_dop. Then I removed the whole album from where the problem file was on from the computer, and for a couple of syncs everything went perfect but now I have the same problem again, with another file.
I just had the same problem with my classic 160gb, I was syncing 10,510 songs to it and it got down to song 9949 and just hung there. I left it for 10 minutes to see if it would unfreeze, but it didn't so i pressed stop and up came the I/O error (win32 #87) error. I unmounted the ipod, restored it with itunes, and plugged the ipod into one of the rear usb ports and it seems to be going fine now (down to 8,000 songs remaining).

Foobar2000 v0.9.6.1b2 + iPod Manager v0.6.3.0
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sylla on 2009-01-04 16:18:46
It sounds like possibly some issue with the hard drive in your iPod. The file it is hanging on now has probably been written where the other one was. Try copying the file it is hanging on from the iPod using Windows Explorer.

chkdsk /r is an option but it may not be what you want to do (or do anything useful).


Yeah, it must be the harddrive, why didn't I think about that?

Even if I only select the file in explorer, it hangs and the explorer process is terminated.

chkdsk /r doesn't seem to work, I left it for about 12 hours, and still stuck on 0%. If I do it through explorer, and just tick the box named something like "search for bad sectors and try to repair them", it finishes without (I think) finding any problems. If I tick both boxes, it seems to hang too.

I guess I'll have to see if I get the same problem using iTunes, and if I do, go to an apple store and change the hard drive...

I just had the same problem with my classic 160gb, I was syncing 10,510 songs to it and it got down to song 9949 and just hung there. I left it for 10 minutes to see if it would unfreeze, but it didn't so i pressed stop and up came the I/O error (win32 #87) error. I unmounted the ipod, restored it with itunes, and plugged the ipod into one of the rear usb ports and it seems to be going fine now (down to 8,000 songs remaining).

Foobar2000 v0.9.6.1b2 + iPod Manager v0.6.3.0


Let's hope you don't get the same problem again, like I did.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-05 20:04:37
iPod manager 0.6.3.4 released. This adds compatibility for iPod touch / iPhone with 2.x software. Please note for those devices there's an extra library you need to download.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: willardjuice on 2009-01-05 21:32:56
iPod manager 0.6.3.4 released. This adds compatibility for iPod touch / iPhone with 2.x software. Please note for those devices there's an extra library you need to download.


Is it weird that I want to have a love child with you? 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sgoct on 2009-01-06 08:39:34
iPod manager 0.6.3.4 released. This adds compatibility for iPod touch / iPhone with 2.x software. Please note for those devices there's an extra library you need to download.


has anyone gotten this to work? when i try to send files to the ipod it gives me the error "Failed to add file to iPod: Path is too long" for every file. the path names are all applemobiledevice://<long string of letters and numbers>:/iTunes_Control\Music\AA1(or whatever)\AAAA(or whatever).mp3
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Milindur on 2009-01-06 14:45:27
When syncing with my iPod Touch I get the following error for some files:
Code: [Select]
Failed to add file to iPod: Conversion failed - Reserved disk space limit exceeded


On drive C: (where my TEMP-directory is) should be enough space (7.8GB). I am using the current version of foo_dop (0.6.3.4) and the current neroaacenc.exe (1.3.3.0) with the parameters "-q 0.60 -lc -ignorelength -if - -of %d". My source files are on a network drive (NAS) and encoded as FLAC.

Does anybody know where the problem could be?

Thanks,
Christian
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2009-01-06 14:58:35
When syncing with my iPod Touch I get the following error for some files:
Code: [Select]
Failed to add file to iPod: Conversion failed - Reserved disk space limit exceeded

This means there's not enough space left on your iPod for the converted file. foo_dop reserves a (configurable) number of thousandths of your iPod's capacity so there's still space left for the iTunes database, the thumbnails and foo_dop's other files.

You can configure it under "Preferences > Advanced > Tools > iPod Manager > Reserved disk space".
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Milindur on 2009-01-06 15:23:10

When syncing with my iPod Touch I get the following error for some files:
Code: [Select]
Failed to add file to iPod: Conversion failed - Reserved disk space limit exceeded

This means there's not enough space left on your iPod for the converted file. foo_dop reserves a (configurable) number of thousandths of your iPod's capacity so there's still space left for the iTunes database, the thumbnails and foo_dop's other files.

You can configure it under "Preferences > Advanced > Tools > iPod Manager > Reserved disk space".

Thanks for this advice, the value is set to 5 (default). But according to the settings/info-screen of my iPod Touch there are 3.9GB (of 7.1GB) available.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Milindur on 2009-01-06 15:46:57
Thanks for this advice, the value is set to 5 (default). But according to the settings/info-screen of my iPod Touch there are 3.9GB (of 7.1GB) available.

Maybe I found something (it seems to me that there where orphaned files with too lang path names). I am trying to restore the iPod to factory settings (= delete all files) and sync from scratch. I will report back here.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Gagatum on 2009-01-06 16:49:11
Hello Guys!
First I would like to thank you for this perfectly working component. I'ts awesome!!!

I'm pretty new with this whole foobar thing. So I wondered if someone could help me a bit 
I have the 1G Ipod nano 2GB. Importing songs in it works perfectly  But when I wanted to add some new playlists to it I couldn't find an option for it??

Is it possible to make a new playlist on my ipod with this Ipod manager???
I would appreciate someones help 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Milindur on 2009-01-06 17:06:31
Maybe I found something (it seems to me that there where orphaned files with too lang path names). I am trying to restore the iPod to factory settings (= delete all files) and sync from scratch. I will report back here.

Unfortunately reseting the iPod did not help. I still get the same error message for some files (Failed to add file to iPod: Conversion failed - Reserved disk space limit exceeded), the settings-info-screen again says that there are 3.9GB available (of 7.1GB).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-06 17:13:03
has anyone gotten this to work? when i try to send files to the ipod it gives me the error "Failed to add file to iPod: Path is too long" for every file. the path names are all applemobiledevice://<long string of letters and numbers>:/iTunes_Control\Music\AA1(or whatever)\AAAA(or whatever).mp3
What are you trying to do? Those files are already on your iPod.

Thanks for this advice, the value is set to 5 (default). But according to the settings/info-screen of my iPod Touch there are 3.9GB (of 7.1GB) available.
Hmm, not sure what caused that then. I will add some more logging in next build.

it seems to me that there where orphaned files with too lang path names.
It seems there is a bug there when adding existing files on the iPod touch/iPhone only (such as what that command does), it will say everything it tries to add is too long probably. I will fix that in the next build.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sgoct on 2009-01-06 19:04:26
has anyone gotten this to work? when i try to send files to the ipod it gives me the error "Failed to add file to iPod: Path is too long" for every file. the path names are all applemobiledevice://<long string of letters and numbers>:/iTunes_Control\Music\AA1(or whatever)\AAAA(or whatever).mp3
What are you trying to do? Those files are already on your iPod.


First I was trying to send a playlist, and then I was trying to add files with just right click->iPod->send to iPod. I deleted everything from my iPod first (including all the playlists) using right click->iPod->remove from iPod, but it still gave me the error even though the iPod shows to be blank when I use it. I tried adding a file that had never been on the iPod, and that worked.

I tried again using the "sync playlist" feature and that seems like it's working fine.

what I did before was:

1) load the ipod library in foobar
2) save the library as a playlist on my computer
3) delete some entries from the playlist
4) use "remove from ipod" with all the songs in the ipod library selected to take everything off my ipod
5) try to send playlists/individual songs, which gave me the error

i was doing that because itunes had screwed up my cover art for pretty much every album but i had it set up correctly in foobar so i wanted to just reload all the songs with the correct album art using foobar
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Maxoo on 2009-01-06 21:36:12
It's very nice to see a compatibility with fw 2.0 (iTouch and iPhone).
Thanks a lot

But... I can't get it work : It simply says that no iPod is found.
I have put the .dll in foobar directory and foo_dop in the components directory, then enabled mobile device support and restarted foobar. Am I missing something ?
(I have a jailbroken iPhone 3G, fw 2.2, correctly detected in iTunes (there's some songs on it)
foobar 0.9.6.1 (I tried 0.9.6)
Windows Vista SP1)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2009-01-06 21:47:20
Maxoo,

I had the same problem, which was fixed by uninstalling and re-installing just Mobile Devices Support.  You don't need to remove the entire iTunes package.  Download the full iTunes installer, but (I used 7-zip but I think many other programs will work too) extract from it Mobile Devices Support installer.  Then go into your Vista control panel, remove and reinstall.

Musicmusic mentioned to me that he believes this to be an issue with some registry keys getting mixed up.  Nevertheless, the above got me going with this great plugin.

I have a jailbroken first gen, BTW.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-06 22:21:45
Unfortunately reseting the iPod did not help. I still get the same error message for some files (Failed to add file to iPod: Conversion failed - Reserved disk space limit exceeded), the settings-info-screen again says that there are 3.9GB available (of 7.1GB).
I just uploaded 0.6.3.5. It should give a bit more detailed output, so if it happens again make a screenshot or something so I can have a look. Thanks.

It's very nice to see a compatibility with fw 2.0 (iTouch and iPhone).
Thanks a lot

But... I can't get it work : It simply says that no iPod is found.
Indeed try what RainDawg said. I'm not sure what causes that, driver issues or something.

If it still doesn't work then please post complete foobar2000 console output so I can have a look.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pri3st on 2009-01-06 22:23:35
Hello Guys!
First I would like to thank you for this perfectly working component. I'ts awesome!!!

I'm pretty new with this whole foobar thing. So I wondered if someone could help me a bit 
I have the 1G Ipod nano 2GB. Importing songs in it works perfectly  But when I wanted to add some new playlists to it I couldn't find an option for it??

Is it possible to make a new playlist on my ipod with this Ipod manager???
I would appreciate someones help 


File>iPod>Manage Contents

Right click for creating a new playlist.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: blaine on 2009-01-07 14:11:32

Maybe I found something (it seems to me that there where orphaned files with too lang path names). I am trying to restore the iPod to factory settings (= delete all files) and sync from scratch. I will report back here.

Unfortunately reseting the iPod did not help. I still get the same error message for some files (Failed to add file to iPod: Conversion failed - Reserved disk space limit exceeded), the settings-info-screen again says that there are 3.9GB available (of 7.1GB).


I to am having same problems. getting an error message "exceeded disc capacity". Have an iPod touch 1st gen 16gb V1.1.5. Have restored defaults, reloaded ipod software, started fresh music transfer. can only copy about 2.5gb of data with foobar.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-07 14:21:43
I to am having same problems. getting an error message "exceeded disc capacity". Have an iPod touch 1st gen 16gb V1.1.5. Have restored defaults, reloaded ipod software, started fresh music transfer. can only copy about 2.5gb of data with foobar.
If you mean the message he was getting, can you do this for me:
I just uploaded 0.6.3.5. It should give a bit more detailed output, so if it happens again make a screenshot or something so I can have a look. Thanks.

The entire message may not fit in a single screenshot, so use some common sense.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Milindur on 2009-01-07 14:51:54
Unfortunately reseting the iPod did not help. I still get the same error message for some files (Failed to add file to iPod: Conversion failed - Reserved disk space limit exceeded), the settings-info-screen again says that there are 3.9GB available (of 7.1GB).
I just uploaded 0.6.3.5. It should give a bit more detailed output, so if it happens again make a screenshot or something so I can have a look. Thanks.

I started again from scratch (reset). I synced some files to the iTouch. Everythink worked fine (reported available space 4.2GB). Then I added some additional files to my Playlist, synced again and the error messages comes up. Here are some screenshots:
Error Message 1a (http://www.milindur.de/~milindur/dop/dop_errors_1a.png)
Error Message 1b (http://www.milindur.de/~milindur/dop/dop_errors_1b.png)
Error Message 2a (http://www.milindur.de/~milindur/dop/dop_errors_2a.png)
Error Message 2b (http://www.milindur.de/~milindur/dop/dop_errors_2b.png)

Thanks for your help .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-07 15:34:04
I've just fixed something & uploaded 0.6.3.6. Please try that one
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Maxoo on 2009-01-07 17:10:52

It's very nice to see a compatibility with fw 2.0 (iTouch and iPhone).
Thanks a lot

But... I can't get it work : It simply says that no iPod is found.
Indeed try what RainDawg said. I'm not sure what causes that, driver issues or something.

If it still doesn't work then please post complete foobar2000 console output so I can have a look.
I downloaded iTunes setup, extracted MobileSupportInstaller.exe from it, lanched it and selected "repair".
Now it works like a charm
Thanks a lot RainDawg and Musicmusic !
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Milindur on 2009-01-07 19:21:23
I've just fixed something & uploaded 0.6.3.6. Please try that one

Works fine, thank you very much for this quick fix. I am so happy that I can use foobar now for nearly all music-related things .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-07 19:58:03
Welcome  Thanks for helping track down the issue
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: blaine on 2009-01-07 20:42:27
I to am having same problems. getting an error message "exceeded disc capacity". Have an iPod touch 1st gen 16gb V1.1.5. Have restored defaults, reloaded ipod software, started fresh music transfer. can only copy about 2.5gb of data with foobar.
If you mean the message he was getting, can you do this for me:
I just uploaded 0.6.3.5. It should give a bit more detailed output, so if it happens again make a screenshot or something so I can have a look. Thanks.

The entire message may not fit in a single screenshot, so use some common sense.



Thanks very much.. seems to be working seamlessly!!
this is one great piece of software.. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: julio1987 on 2009-01-07 20:58:01
Hey guys I keep getting the error:
I/O Error (Win32 #1005)
when trying to add tracks to a 5.5G white ipod. Any ideas as to why?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Maxoo on 2009-01-08 12:41:13
Same error as above, with "send to iPod" and "sync with iPod".
When I try to recover tracks, it recovers some of them, but for most of them it says that the path is too long.

It does this only when I send a lot of tracks (1500). If I sync less tracks, it works. (iPhone 3G)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-08 13:09:46
Hey guys I keep getting the error:
I/O Error (Win32 #1005)
when trying to add tracks to a 5.5G white ipod. Any ideas as to why?
There should be a title or something with the error message. But anyway your error means:
Quote
The volume does not contain a recognized file system. Please make sure that all required file system drivers are loaded and that the volume is not corrupted.
But it could be for various reasons.

Can you access your iPod via Windows Explorer?
How many volumes show under your iPod in Disk Management?

Same error as above, with "send to iPod" and "sync with iPod".
When I try to recover tracks, it recovers some of them, but for most of them it says that the path is too long.

It does this only when I send a lot of tracks (1500). If I sync less tracks, it works. (iPhone 3G)
Are you really sure you had the same error message? There was an ongoing issue with transfers failing on iPhone/iPod touch if you sent a lot of content in one go. The issue with 'path too long' with recover files should have been fixed in the latest build, if not please provide a screenshot (showing the full path of the file).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Maxoo on 2009-01-08 17:05:52
Same error as above, with "send to iPod" and "sync with iPod".
When I try to recover tracks, it recovers some of them, but for most of them it says that the path is too long.

It does this only when I send a lot of tracks (1500). If I sync less tracks, it works. (iPhone 3G)
Are you really sure you had the same error message? There was an ongoing issue with transfers failing on iPhone/iPod touch if you sent a lot of content in one go. The issue with 'path too long' with recover files should have been fixed in the latest build, if not please provide a screenshot (showing the full path of the file).
It was an I/O error, I'm sure of that.
If I have this error a second time I'll note down the whole log.

[EDIT]
I had foo_dop 6.3.6 when I had the issue with path too long.

[EDIT2]
Here is the log :
(http://le.max.free.fr/foobar2k/ipodlog.jpg)

[EDIT3]
Another I/O error. Here is the log :
(http://le.max.free.fr/foobar2k/ipodlogIO.jpg)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dunc-uk on 2009-01-09 08:49:06
I think I may have found a small bug... videos that have been marked as "IPOD_REMEMBER_PLAYBACK_POSITION" seem to lose their playback position when the iPod database is rewritten. However, the flag itself is not lost and subsequent plackbacks will retain the playback position until the next database rewrite.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-10 22:24:41
Here is the log :[...]
Hmm OK I will look into...
[edit]The problem is that it did use a path 'too long' when creating the files. (I don't know if there is actually a path limit on the iPhone/iPod touch but anyway). So I will fix the next build to it limits the path correctly when adding the files.

I'm not sure whether some forward/backslash path issues is causing false positives here also, if it is that should also be fixed in the next build.

If you want to recover those tracks wait for the next build and increase 'extra filename characters' in advanced prefs by about 2, run the recover orphaned files command, then reset the setting again.

Another I/O error. Here is the log :
10 is a new error to me, I don't remember that one. But this was a while ago. It seems like it means "access denied" or similar, peculiar.. 12 is the one I recall when it loses connection to the device for whatever reason it does.

I think I may have found a small bug... videos that have been marked as "IPOD_REMEMBER_PLAYBACK_POSITION" seem to lose their playback position when the iPod database is rewritten. However, the flag itself is not lost and subsequent plackbacks will retain the playback position until the next database rewrite.
There shouldn't be any need to set that flag on video files. However I have fixed the issue with 'bookmark' times not being saved correctly in the next build, thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ArtMustHurt on 2009-01-11 14:51:09
I just want to say thanks a lot for this awesome plugin. It works great with my ipod classic 60gb
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-11 20:05:54
0.6.3.7 released with a few bug fixes. I had to replace many instances of directory separators in my code so they are consistent on the iPhone/iPod touch, I may have broken something in the process so the build is experimental for now. The fixing of dir separators may cause the component to reread metadata from your files on the iPod touch/iPhone.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bl@ck_warrior on 2009-01-11 20:30:01
iPod manager 0.6.3.4 released. This adds compatibility for iPod touch / iPhone with 2.x software. Please note for those devices there's an extra library you need to download.



That's great, Thank you musicmusic, I will be able to use my ipod touch 2G now

Edit: It seems to work like a charm for now (0.6.3.7), you're the best musicmusic

Now I will use itunes just to syncronise the ipod touch calendar with outlook, unless someone knows another software/plugin that can do it ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: redmodel on 2009-01-13 10:17:03
Hi,

I am having issues, but before I get into it.  Does foo_dop work with the iphone 2.2 firmware on Vista x64?

I reinstalled the Apple Mobile Device Support, but the installer is AppleMobileDeviceSupport64.msi
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2009-01-13 14:09:56
I am having issues, but before I get into it.  Does foo_dop work with the iphone 2.2 firmware on Vista x64?


I am running iPhone 2.2 and Vista 64 bit, and have gotten this working.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-13 18:45:33
I reinstalled the Apple Mobile Device Support, but the installer is AppleMobileDeviceSupport64.msi
Yes that's right as it includes a 64-bit driver. The software seems to all be 32-bit still.

So please state what the issue is - if it is something to do with the component not recognising the iPhone post a full foobar2000 console log after connecting it.

The other potential issue is that if your firewall for some reason is blocking local network connections from foobar2000 that would also prevent it from working.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: redmodel on 2009-01-13 20:54:03
So please state what the issue is - if it is something to do with the component not recognising the iPhone post a full foobar2000 console log after connecting it.

The other potential issue is that if your firewall for some reason is blocking local network connections from foobar2000 that would also prevent it from working.


Thanks for the quick reply,

Seems like I have it working now.  I didn't notice the checkbox for "Enable Mobile Device Support" in the options before.

I just have to play around with it now, But I do get an error when trying to go to Properties.  It says Failed to Read SysInfo:  Object Not Found.

Sorry, I haven't read the previous posts yet to see if other people got the same error, I can still post a console Log if needed to.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-13 21:59:00
I just have to play around with it now, But I do get an error when trying to go to Properties.  It says Failed to Read SysInfo:  Object Not Found.
Properties is not implemented for the iPhone / iPod touch. I am sure it says that, the error tacked on the end is just a bit of a quirk.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: redmodel on 2009-01-14 08:39:08
Hey again,

Sorry, I'm a completely new user to the foo_dop, and I couldn't find this error with anyone else.

I realized, I couldn't be syncing music to the iphone through foobar, and podcasts/video through itunes.  Whenever I'd sync the podcasts and videos with itunes, it'd just delete whatever music I put on through foobar.

Music syncing was already unchecked in iTunes, and no isn't any music in my iTunes library.  So, I decided to uncheck podcast and video syncing.

I loaded up the videos into foobar, and I tried to send them to the ipod, but it was taking a really long time, and I wanted to try something else, but it wouldn't cancel, and I did a force shutdown on it.

Now, when I try to sync anything with the iphone through foobar, i get a metadata cache error.  This is what shows up on the console whenever i try to do anything:

"Error reading metadata_cache.fpl from iPod: Unsupported format or corrupted file"

I am assuming the file got corrupted.

I tried syncing Videos and Podcasts back to the iphone through iTunes, and they synced okay.

Right now, I am trying to find the file, metadata_cache.fpl, in the iphone so I can delete it and see if that fixes anything.  It's not in the root, and there are lots of folders to go through.

*UPDATE*

Okay, I found it, it's in the /user/media folder.  I deleted it, and seems like the music is syncing again.  I'll try the video syncing again through foobar.

*UPDATE 2*

Okay, seems like I can't really sync anything with itunes without itunes removing the videos/music that was synced with Foobar.

I unchecked sync music/video/podcasts in iTunes, but it doesn't seem to help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-01-14 09:55:09
Have you tried dragging podcast episodes/videos to a playlist on your device? Just sending, not syncing, shouldn't delete what's already sent with foo_dop, IIRC.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: redmodel on 2009-01-17 10:15:44
Have you tried dragging podcast episodes/videos to a playlist on your device? Just sending, not syncing, shouldn't delete what's already sent with foo_dop, IIRC.



Nope, I never used the "Sync with Ipod" command, always used the "Send to Ipod" within Foobar.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Middy on 2009-01-22 02:02:52
Random question here- can anyone confirm that the 2.0.1 Ipod Classic firmware works with foo_dop?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: eradumvelhinho on 2009-01-22 08:13:50
Random question here- can anyone confirm that the 2.0.1 Ipod Classic firmware works with foo_dop?


Yeah. It does. I use it with my iPod Classic (2.0.1)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Middy on 2009-01-22 10:45:48
@eradumvelhinho: cheers mate, just checking up first
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: myvision on 2009-01-23 21:29:36
Hey musicmusic,

Would it be possible for you to create an iTunes-esque panel that allows is to manage our iPods with buttons and a "space-left bar"?

Currently I am using some depreciated components to achieve an effect that seems to work well so far, but it isn't perfect. This is what I have come up with:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/keikonium/ipodbarthingy.jpg)

The code I am using to make it is pretty clean, but it's a lot of code, and of course there are limitations and imperfections since there aren't really any components to measure iPod sizes lol.

Having some variables that can be used in Track Display panels to measure the size of the different directories would be awesome.


Do you mind sharing your Code? I'm working on the same and I don't get it. I don't have  the menu toolbar in my foobar so buttons seem to be a perfect workaround.

Thanks in advance!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gfngfgf on 2009-01-24 07:11:27
It appears that in order for foo_dop (0.6.3.7) to use foobar2000's built-in artwork reader, the "Source script" field cannot be blank.  Is this by design?  I managed to get around this by using a dummy path that will never point to a real file, but I wanted to make sure because I couldn't find anything in the documentation.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-24 10:58:27
Yes, I did mention it at some point on here, but I forgot to change it it seems. Thanks for the reminder, I will change it for the next build.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-01-24 13:30:35
Do you mind sharing your Code? I'm working on the same and I don't get it. I don't have  the menu toolbar in my foobar so buttons seem to be a perfect workaround.

Thanks in advance!


I too would like to know how you made this - especially how you managed to get used/remaining space. It would be lovely if you could share it with us. Thanks in advance form me too.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-24 22:39:48
Version 0.6.3.9 released. (Some database format changes - keep an eye on things such as sorting on the iPod)

Now, iPod Properties should work on iPod touch/iPhone devices, and display some possibly useful info. However I can't test so some verification would be nice. I would also like to know if WiFi MAC Address displays anything useful for anyone.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gfngfgf on 2009-01-25 05:50:05
I can confirm that the iPod properties dialog displays correct info for my iPod touch 2G, including the wireless MAC address, which matches what's shown in the touch's settings menu.  The only difference is that foo_dop reports 6.63GB free, while the touch itself reports 6.5GB, and iTunes reports 6.53GB.

Also, album art works fine now when I leave "Source script" blank, so thank you for that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: redmodel on 2009-01-25 07:22:04
Hi,

Sorry to bring it up again, but I can't seem to send music to the iphone through foo_dop and not have itunes delete it everytime I sync with that.

Is anybody here successfully sending music in foobar and not have their music deleted everytime they sync with iTunes?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2009-01-25 08:46:06
Hi,

Sorry to bring it up again, but I can't seem to send music to the iphone through foo_dop and not have itunes delete it everytime I sync with that.

Is anybody here successfully sending music in foobar and not have their music deleted everytime they sync with iTunes?


You simply need to check "manage ipod music manually" option in iTunes. Because each time you start them, they are trying to sync all your music, whereas if a song isn't on iTunes it's being simply deleted.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-25 12:38:03
I can confirm that the iPod properties dialog displays correct info for my iPod touch 2G, including the wireless MAC address, which matches what's shown in the touch's settings menu.
Great  One of the examples I had just had a bunch of zeros for the MAC address, but maybe something was wrong with that device. I could also display some other things for iPhones (IMEI, phone number, ...).

The only difference is that foo_dop reports 6.63GB free, while the touch itself reports 6.5GB, and iTunes reports 6.53GB.
It seems to be down to the way the data is obtained and reported. Some space is reserved or something. I can probably change mine to be same same as iTunes anyway.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: redmodel on 2009-01-27 00:22:14
You simply need to check "manage ipod music manually" option in iTunes. Because each time you start them, they are trying to sync all your music, whereas if a song isn't on iTunes it's being simply deleted.


Thanks, that solves everything for me
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-01-28 11:12:21
Feature request: When synchronizing your iPod, foo_dop displays a window which tells you which tracks will be synchronized, and then go to the window which says "Syncing: x out of y tracks left". I'd like to suggest including some information about how many tracks which will be synced in the first window.

EDIT: Forgot something.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2009-01-29 10:57:18
Any news on working it with 2.2.1 firmware?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fishy Joe on 2009-01-29 11:24:19
I've had this problem for awhile and it's finally bugging me enough to ask about it. Say I have a tv season of 6 episodes. When I add these to my Nano 3G, they are always sorted in reverse order of episode number, i.e. Episode 6 is at the top, decreasing to Episode 1 at the bottom. This occurs whether I add all 6 at once, or whether I add them one at a time in the correct order. Strangely, when I add movies split in 2 files, they always sort correctly.

What am I doing wrong with the sorting of my TV Shows?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2009-01-29 19:12:06
i'm having problems with the artwork on my nano 4g firmware 1.03.
i have two machines with the same foobar config, same music lib, same foo_dop, same settings. on one machine it works without a problem. on the other machine it does not copy the artwork. it's exactly the same config.
the machine it works on is the machine i set the ipod up using itunes. does it have something to do with this?

edit: foo_dop version is 0.6.3.9 but happens with 0.6.3.6 also

thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-29 20:04:01
Feature request: When synchronizing your iPod, foo_dop displays a window which tells you which tracks will be synchronized, and then go to the window which says "Syncing: x out of y tracks left". I'd like to suggest including some information about how many tracks which will be synced in the first window.
Yes, it would be useful, I'll note it.

Any news on working it with 2.2.1 firmware?
Are you asking if it works (I can't say for definite, but I would say it should) or that it doesn't work?

I've had this problem for awhile and it's finally bugging me enough to ask about it. Say I have a tv season of 6 episodes. When I add these to my Nano 3G, they are always sorted in reverse order of episode number, i.e. Episode 6 is at the top, decreasing to Episode 1 at the bottom. This occurs whether I add all 6 at once, or whether I add them one at a time in the correct order. Strangely, when I add movies split in 2 files, they always sort correctly.

What am I doing wrong with the sorting of my TV Shows?
Did you tag them with the video tagger before sending? (i.e. episode number and season number)

i'm having problems with the artwork on my nano 4g firmware 1.03.
i have two machines with the same foobar config, same music lib, same foo_dop, same settings. on one machine it works without a problem. on the other machine it does not copy the artwork. it's exactly the same config.
the machine it works is the machine i set the ipod up with itunes. does it have something to do with this?

edit: foo_dop version is 0.6.3.9 but happens with 0.6.3.6 also

thanks
Well, something must be different, or you are drawing incorrect conclusions. iTunes doesn't have anything to do with what the component does with artwork. If you are using it and it is doing something then that is a different case. Some general hints on relevant preferences help page and the component FAQ.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fishy Joe on 2009-01-30 07:10:07
I've had this problem for awhile and it's finally bugging me enough to ask about it. Say I have a tv season of 6 episodes. When I add these to my Nano 3G, they are always sorted in reverse order of episode number, i.e. Episode 6 is at the top, decreasing to Episode 1 at the bottom. This occurs whether I add all 6 at once, or whether I add them one at a time in the correct order. Strangely, when I add movies split in 2 files, they always sort correctly.

What am I doing wrong with the sorting of my TV Shows?
Did you tag them with the video tagger before sending? (i.e. episode number and season number)


Yes, the only tag I don't enter is Episode ID, as I'm not sure of its purpose. For what it's worth, I think most of my episode numbers are in the format 102, 103, etc.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-30 07:57:48
Do you have the latest firmware for the Nano 3G? My shows seem to be sorted fine on my Classic 80GB which is strange as the firmware is very similar.

Epsiode ID is a string that uniquely identifies they episode. You can use a format like SSEE (SS = zero padded season number, EE = zero padded episode number). It does get involved in sorting but it doesn't seem necessary for me.

If you are saying though 101 means season 1, episode 1, I would separate those into the season and episode number fields.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2009-01-30 11:34:13
Well, something must be different, or you are drawing incorrect conclusions. iTunes doesn't have anything to do with what the component does with artwork. If you are using it and it is doing something then that is a different case. Some general hints on relevant preferences help page and the component FAQ.


i found the problem. it works only when i give the user admin rights (under xp32). i have user profile support enabled in foobar. under vista it works when i have user rights only. now that is really strange.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fishy Joe on 2009-01-30 21:34:04
Do you have the latest firmware for the Nano 3G? My shows seem to be sorted fine on my Classic 80GB which is strange as the firmware is very similar.

Epsiode ID is a string that uniquely identifies they episode. You can use a format like SSEE (SS = zero padded season number, EE = zero padded episode number). It does get involved in sorting but it doesn't seem necessary for me.

If you are saying though 101 means season 1, episode 1, I would separate those into the season and episode number fields.


I separated the season and episode numbers into single digits, and added Episode ID in the form 0101, 0102, 0103, etc but my files are still sorted in reverse.

Is there any way to check or update the nano firmware without installing itunes?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-30 22:03:36
i found the problem. it works only when i give the user admin rights (under xp32). i have user profile support enabled in foobar. under vista it works when i have user rights only. now that is really strange.
Correct. I will make it clearer on the wiki.

I separated the season and episode numbers into single digits, and added Episode ID in the form 0101, 0102, 0103, etc but my files are still sorted in reverse.

Is there any way to check or update the nano firmware without installing itunes?
The latest version for the nano 3G is 1.1.3, you can check the current version using this component (File/iPod/Properties). You have to use iTunes to update though.

(I do remember some issues with TV show sorting in early classic/nano 3g firmware, that's why I asked).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fishy Joe on 2009-01-31 00:22:39
The latest version for the nano 3G is 1.1.3, you can check the current version using this component (File/iPod/Properties). You have to use iTunes to update though.

(I do remember some issues with TV show sorting in early classic/nano 3g firmware, that's why I asked).


Mine is still on 1.0.3, I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and install itunes. Thanks for the help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: MuffinFlavored on 2009-01-31 04:56:28
I have a first generation non-jailbroken iPod Touch with version 2.2 firmware.
I have foobar2000 0.9.6.1 installed to C:\Program Files\foobar2000
I have foo_dop.dll 0.6.3.9 in C:\Program Files\foobar2000\components
I have MobileDeviceSign.dll in C:\Program Files\foobar2000
I have downloaded iTunesSetup.exe 8.0.2.20
I have extracted AppleMobileDeviceSupport.msi from iTunesSetup.exe using 7-Zip
I have installed AppleMobileDeviceSupport.msi
I have uninstalled AppleMobileDeviceSupport.msi
I have reinstalled AppleMobileDeviceSupport.msi
I have repaired AppleMobileDeviceSupport.msi
I have restarted my computer
I have restarted foobar2000
I have enabled "Enable mobile device support" from File > Preferences > Tools > iPod Manager > Mobile Devices

View > iPod Devices does not display an iPod.
File > iPod says that an iPod is not found.

View > Console displays:
Startup time : 0:00.412248
iPod manager: Error intialising Mobile Device support: The system cannot find the file specified.

EDIT:
Installing iTunes completely resolved this problem.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-31 09:59:36
You also need Quicktime apart from Apple Mobile Device Support (explained on wiki) - that error is because it failed to find some Quicktime registry key. Those two should be enough, but you'd need iTunes to set-up the device in the first place.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sidral Mundet on 2009-01-31 15:22:19
EDIT: Apologies, nevermind. It appears to have been an issue with my "concurrent conversion" option. I didn't recognize the overlap for some reason.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-01-31 15:32:41
That looks like it can't find the encoder.

"Venture into preferences."
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2009-02-01 12:39:04
it works only when i give the user admin rights (under xp32).
Correct. I will make it clearer on the wiki.


can't that be changed? working as admin always is not good. thank you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-01 14:11:01
Version 0.6.4.0 released. See changelog for details.

can't that be changed? working as admin always is not good. thank you.
Short of upgrading your operating system, no.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: McMusic on 2009-02-02 18:59:15
What a great plugin this is! Congratulations to musicmusic for the fantastic work!

I use the plugin with an iPod Classic 6G (160GB).

There is only one issue I want to bring to notice. I discovered it twice already. Some background first:
I have a lossless music library that I also keep synchronised with a lossy (mp3) library. The structure (folders, files) is exactly the same, only that the lossy-directories don't have album art included.
Therefore I use the following title-formatting script to get the album art for the iPod from the respective lossless-directory:
D:\My Music\Lossless\%album artist%\%album artist% - %date% - %album%\cover
(the lossy pendant is: D:\My Music\Lossy\%album artist%\%album artist% - %date% - %album%\*)

This works perfectly, with the following exception: If the album title has a "?" at the end, no album art is synchronised with the ipod. The only way, I can get the art on the iPod is to remoce the album once again, then select only the one album in fb2k and adjust the preferences for the album art path to the exact full path of the album in the lossless directory (e.g. D:\My Music\Lossless\Room Eleven\Room Eleven - 2008 - Mmm... Gumbo -> the album is called Mmm... Gumbo?). Then send only that one album to the iPod.

Is this somehow a bug, or am I missing something/doing something wrong? I'm aware, that windows doesn't use "?" in path names. But what script should I use to avoid this problem?

Thanks in advance to you guys!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-02 20:15:28
Hi,

You should use something like $replace(%album artist% - %date% - %album%,",,?,,*,.,/,) (amend to suit your needs) for the respective part(s) of your script. (Although about Columns UI, the notes at the end here (http://yuo.be/wiki/columns_ui:config:artwork#notes) more-or-less apply, I will copy them over to the respective iPod manager page (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:ipod_features)).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: McMusic on 2009-02-03 12:10:28
Thanks, musicmusic! That fixes the issue. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: blackspawn on 2009-02-03 15:12:28
I have a question regarding this very nice plugin which I use everytime I wanto to manage my ipod (so thank you for that!).

Is it possible to add a drag n' drop feature? What I'm thinking is adding a UI element where the ipod contents are displayed and where you have the possibility to: add songs/albums by the present send command or by dragin' from your library to ipod's UI element; delete songs from the ipod; edit tags; etc.

There is probably a very cool and alternative way of doing what I propose, but I like things simple  (also I haven't spent enough time playing with the plug in to really understand it's power, normaly I just view what is in the ipod, select a few albums and send them to it, and I use yamipod or some other ipod manager to delete songs)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: karunin1 on 2009-02-04 18:24:25
I love this plugin, thanks. m4a transfer has been working flawlessly.

I'm having a problem using the conversion feature. When I try to send a FLAC file to my ipod, I get the error

"Failure to add to iPod:Conversion failed - Unexpected process exit code 00000001h"

I've tried with ffmpeg(revision 16573). The conversion parameters I am using are


-i %s -acodec alac -s %d


Using foobar to first convert the file and then send is working, but I'd like to get this feature working, without the intermediate step. Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-04 18:33:02
Your parameters are incorrect. Press Help on the preferences page.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: karunin1 on 2009-02-04 18:42:49
 I cannot find ffmpeg's parameters in help page.

where can I find it?




Using foobar to convert is working
http://by116w.bay116.mail.live.com/att/Get...CB5511F52BA590| (http://by116w.bay116.mail.live.com/att/GetAttachment.aspx?tnail=0&messageId=15babe93-ef6a-45a3-8c52-26f0ff4cec36&Aux=54|0|8CB5511F52BA590|)

but foo_dop conversion is not working
http://by116w.bay116.mail.live.com/att/Get...CB5511F52BA590| (http://by116w.bay116.mail.live.com/att/GetAttachment.aspx?tnail=1&messageId=15babe93-ef6a-45a3-8c52-26f0ff4cec36&Aux=14|0|8CB5511F52BA590|)


you can download ffmpeg at here
http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/ (http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/)

check it please ..

and thanks for reply!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-04 20:39:18
Well where did %s come from? Did you see it mentioned some place?

Read what the help page says. Then apply it to ffmpeg by reading its documentation. Somewhere in between I would wonder what the links to your e-mail account are for.

If you still didn't work it out, the key part is input via a pipe. I can't say using ffmpeg will work properly, because last time I piped a .wav file (on my hard drive) into it, the output was truncated, whilst it worked fine if I gave it the path of the file instead.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: karunin1 on 2009-02-04 21:21:07
I saw it some sites..



-i -acodec alac %d

-i %s -acodec alac %d

i did two ways.. but still same message coming;
conversion failed - unexpected process exit code 00000001h

what is correct ffmpeg parameters for foo_dop?

thanks again for reply!!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-04 22:14:07
You also need to tell ffmpeg the format of the input (i.e. that it is a .wav container). Mix that with all other info given to you and you might get something that works.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: karunin1 on 2009-02-05 06:46:47
It didn't work yet...

sorry for link  I misssed something..

//
Using foobar to convert is working
http://www.cdpkorea.com/zboard4/data/freeb...233812427-1.jpg (http://www.cdpkorea.com/zboard4/data/freeboard/cdpkorea-1233812427-1.jpg)

but foo_dop conversion is not working
http://www.cdpkorea.com/zboard4/data/freeb...233816376-2.jpg (http://www.cdpkorea.com/zboard4/data/freeboard/cdpkorea-1233816376-2.jpg)
//
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: csp on 2009-02-07 04:06:16
I saw it some sites..



-i -acodec alac %d

-i %s -acodec alac %d

i did two ways.. but still same message coming;
conversion failed - unexpected process exit code 00000001h

what is correct ffmpeg parameters for foo_dop?

thanks again for reply!!


Well, you need to tell ffmpeg to use standard input as input, so try
this (I never used foo_dop, though)

  -i - -acodec alac %d

hope this helps,
csp
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: DigitalDeviant on 2009-02-08 15:42:26
I love this plugin... Foobar doesn't make my album art fubar. One question/problem. I have an iPod Touch 2G firmware 2.2.1 and I can't figure out how to edit tags or cover art once the songs are sent to the device. Am I doing something wrong, I've tried almost every option from every menue, or is this a limitation of the plugin or my iPod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-08 17:06:49
For artwork, you can only 'fill in' missing art once the file has been sent. If the art is modified, currently you have to remove the file and re-add it.

For tags, do you wish to modify the files on your computer or directly on the iPod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: foolver on 2009-02-08 18:02:45
a couple of questions:

i'm getting an iPod classic soon (the 160gb one) and i would like to know a couple of things....

do i need to have iTunes at all (besides the updates and stuff) for my iPod to work with foobar?
when i send multiple playlists to my iPod, but some of them contain the same files more than once, would only a one copy of a file be sent, or it would be present more than once on my iPod?

and a question regarding the last.fm scrobbling (if anyone knows) - do i need to listen to the full track, or 50% of it in order to scrobble it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-02-08 18:14:21
do i need to have iTunes at all (besides the updates and stuff) for my iPod to work with foobar?
No, you don't, except for possible firmware updates. You should activate disk usage and deactivate opening iTunes when connecting your iPod, though.

when i send multiple playlists to my iPod, but some of them contain the same files more than once, would only a one copy of a file be sent, or it would be present more than once on my iPod?
Yes, IIRC, only one copy of the file will be sent. This goes across playlists as well.

and a question regarding the last.fm scrobbling (if anyone knows) - do i need to listen to the full track, or 50% of it in order to scrobble it?
The iPod won't update at 50%, but rather when the file reaches its end. So, seeking to the end of the file on your iPod should work, as in iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2009-02-08 18:32:01
You should activate disk usage and deactivate opening iTunes when connecting your iPod, though.

Isn't disk usage using the iPod as a standard hard drive, mounted with a drive letter? If so, then is disabling it truly necessary? I have it enabled on my fifth generation Classic and experience no issues with it and using foo_dop.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: DigitalDeviant on 2009-02-08 19:00:41
For artwork, you can only 'fill in' missing art once the file has been sent. If the art is modified, currently you have to remove the file and re-add it.

For tags, do you wish to modify the files on your computer or directly on the iPod?


Directly on the iPod. Currently I'm only able to copy the files back to my PC, edit, delete them from the iPod and resend them. It's still better than using iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-08 19:09:04
Directly on the iPod. Currently I'm only able to copy the files back to my PC, edit, delete them from the iPod and resend them. It's still better than using iTunes.
The iPod touch/iPhone doesn't report the last modified times of files to the component, which complicates things a bit unfortunately. After running 'Load library' and modifying the tags of a file, you have to run the foobar2000 command 'Reload Info' on it (in Properties, or you can add it to the shortcut menu), and then 'iPod/Update metadata on iPod'.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: DigitalDeviant on 2009-02-08 19:58:56
The iPod touch/iPhone doesn't report the last modified times of files to the component, which complicates things a bit unfortunately. After running 'Load library' and modifying the tags of a file, you have to run the foobar2000 command 'Reload Info' on it (in Properties, or you can add it to the shortcut menu), and then 'iPod/Update metadata on iPod'.


Reload info... I didn't think of doing that. Thanks, it works great now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-02-08 22:33:01
You should activate disk usage and deactivate opening iTunes when connecting your iPod, though.

Isn't disk usage using the iPod as a standard hard drive, mounted with a drive letter? If so, then is disabling it truly necessary? I have it enabled on my fifth generation Classic and experience no issues with it and using foo_dop.


Yes, I believe foo_dop can't write to it unless it's set to disk usage, and thus you'll have to unmount it to avoid I/O errors or so. The part about disabling opening iTunes is more about convenience (but personally, I remember having album artwork problems with it (starting iTunes whatever the occasion) enabled before).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: foolver on 2009-02-09 22:02:39
thx for the reply... two more questions that came to my mind as well are:

is it possible to upload song lyrics with the foo_dop like in iTunes, and what are the requirements?

and how much (in a rough presumption) time does it take to fill up 120gb out of the full capacity?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-09 22:35:34
is it possible to upload song lyrics with the foo_dop like in iTunes, and what are the requirements?
See:
http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:notes#ipod_lyrics_support (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:notes#ipod_lyrics_support)

and how much (in a rough presumption) time does it take to fill up 120gb out of the full capacity?
I don't know how long, but a fair while, and even longer if transcoding is involved. It is a good idea to take the iPod out of any case/cover to avoid it overheating.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-02-09 22:48:46
As for transfer speeds, I'm looking at about 1.3 to 1.4 files a second, which means... Somewhere around 6 MB/s? I'll try timing it.

EDIT: *Cough* Most of the files I tried with were 320kbps. ^^; 220 files in exactly six minutes means (6*60)/220~1.6 seconds per file or a transfer speed of 489MB/(6*60)~1.4MB/s... Ke?

EDITEDIT: Stupid me. 1012MB/(6*60)~2.8MB/s. Anyway,  I guess you can be looking at 10-20 hours?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Armitando on 2009-02-10 02:35:31
My 2g iPod touch is not detected in foobar2000. I have both foo_dop and the mobile thing in the right places. Any reason this would be happening?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-10 07:51:38
My 2g iPod touch is not detected in foobar2000. I have both foo_dop and the mobile thing in the right places. Any reason this would be happening?
Check the checklist first: http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:dop#help_my_iphone_...is_not_detected (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:dop#help_my_iphone_ipod_touch_is_not_detected)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Middy on 2009-02-10 08:21:58
Just a quick question (sorry if it's already been covered ):

How does foo_dop manage podcasts? Specifically, how do I get them to show up in the "podcast" section of my ipod classic?

Cheers, Mitch

EDIT: Found some info here: "Itunes and Old Podcasts" (http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=928786&r=14792989#r14792989) (more info here, from mp3tag forum) (http://www.anytag.de/forums/index.php?showtopic=6420)

Apparently, for an mp3 file, the frames PCST and WFED are required for "apple-complaint" podcasts, which can be added using the ITUNESPODCAST and ITUNESPODCASTURL frames in MP3tag. I've done this and been able to add them to the podcast section in iTunes (kinda, some files still aren't showing, still finding out what's going wrong), and been able to transfer them to the ipod using iTunes and have them show up properly. Still figuring out how to do it in Foobar .

Note:

ITUNESPODCAST is mapped to PCST (i think?) just signifies that the file is a podcast. Should be set to 1
ITUNESPODCASTURL (WFED?) is the URL of the podcast, and is what iTunes uses to sort podcasts. If you have a bunch of files you want listed as the same podcast, this field needs to be the same.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: foolver on 2009-02-10 16:43:45
See:http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:notes#ipod_lyrics_support (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:notes#ipod_lyrics_support)


what's the compatibility mode issue, does it mean i can't have id3v2.4 tags on my iPod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-10 17:14:37
How does foo_dop manage podcasts? Specifically, how do I get them to show up in the "podcast" section of my ipod classic? [..]
Some people just use iTunes for that (and subscribe to the podcast in iTunes), it should be easier with the latest version of this component, and you can set up iTunes to sync podcasts only.

You can't add Podcasts 'properly' (so they come up in the Podcasts section etc.) with this component.

See:http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:notes#ipod_lyrics_support (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:notes#ipod_lyrics_support)
what's the compatibility mode issue, does it mean i can't have id3v2.4 tags on my iPod?
It varies between models etc. You will just have to try and and find out (though I think the iPod classic is OK).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Armitando on 2009-02-11 02:24:35
My 2g iPod touch is not detected in foobar2000. I have both foo_dop and the mobile thing in the right places. Any reason this would be happening?
Check the checklist first: http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:dop#help_my_iphone_...is_not_detected (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:dop#help_my_iphone_ipod_touch_is_not_detected)


I feel stupid.

Anyway, I got it to work, but how do I choose songs to sync in my library, instead of putting the whole thing on?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: foolver on 2009-02-11 17:06:32
It varies between models etc. You will just have to try and and find out (though I think the iPod classic is OK).


so, basically, i only have to put the lyrics to the songs, and they appear on the iPod without a problem?
is the lyricsgrabber plugin good for the job?




and yes, one thing i forgot.... i tag my genres with a ; so they get separated (making them multivalue) so by assigning an artists with "Electronic; Experimental Rock; Alternative Rock" the artist appears in every one of those genres (in foobar)

would the same thing happen on my iPod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-11 17:18:13
Anyway, I got it to work, but how do I choose songs to sync in my library, instead of putting the whole thing on?
Best way is to create a playlist in foobar2000, and sync with that.

so, basically, i only have to put the lyrics to the songs, and they appear on the iPod without a problem?
You need to tag you files as it said on the wiki.

and yes, one thing i forgot.... i tag my genres with a ; so they get separated (making them multivalue) so by assigning an artists with "Electronic; Experimental Rock; Alternative Rock" the artist appears in every one of those genres (in foobar)

would the same thing happen on my iPod?
The iPod doesn't support multiple values per field. By default the component will concatenate those, if you want some other behaviour you can use the field remappings.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: foolver on 2009-02-11 17:35:19
The iPod doesn't support multiple values per field. By default the component will concatenate those, if you want some other behaviour you can use the field remappings.


so... i can't get the following genre listings on my iPod, or what?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-02-11 17:46:13
Nooot really as splitted values, so that song A, which is "rock; pop" shows up under both rock and pop. I suggest remapping you genres with "$meta(genre,0)", which'll return the first listed genre.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: foolver on 2009-02-11 19:09:13
Nooot really as splitted values, so that song A, which is "rock; pop" shows up under both rock and pop. I suggest remapping you genres with "$meta(genre,0)", which'll return the first listed genre.


yeah, but i don't wish to change my files on the hard drive... if i leave them as they are like now, how would they come up on my iPod?

and is it a big issue, or something that could be fixed by a software update by apple? (so i can mail them a feedback)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-02-11 19:30:49
No, you can remap the metadata as it gets sent. Check the Tools->iPod Manager in Preferences.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-11 22:37:07
yeah, but i don't wish to change my files on the hard drive...
So clearly you have not even installed the component and had a look around the preferences (etc.). Please take some time to actually try and understand the replies you already have, and it would be an idea to refrain from asking any more questions until the iPod that you say you are getting soon actually turns up just to save everyone a bit of time.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Middy on 2009-02-12 04:12:26
You can't add Podcasts 'properly' (so they come up in the Podcasts section etc.) with this component.


Yeah, that's what i was thinking- thanks for confirming that for me! Using with iTunes works fine. Not to sound ungrateful, but is "podcast support" going to be added?

Nooot really as splitted values, so that song A, which is "rock; pop" shows up under both rock and pop. I suggest remapping you genres with "$meta(genre,0)", which'll return the first listed genre.


yeah, but i don't wish to change my files on the hard drive... if i leave them as they are like now, how would they come up on my iPod?

and is it a big issue, or something that could be fixed by a software update by apple? (so i can mail them a feedback)


See: Config:Database (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:database). Might be wrong, but I don't think it changes the files on your computer, just the ones uploading to the ipod. I think if the genres are listed in foobar as "rock; pop", they come up on the ipod as "rock, pop". As Nemphael suggested, might be an idea remap it so it only uses the first genre.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: azncookiecutter on 2009-02-13 04:05:46
A bit of a bug (or not, not really sure). Using foo_dop with my iPod touch, and any song that begins with "A", for example "A Day in the Life", it will put the song (when viewed in the all songs tab on the iPod) with all the songs that begin with an "A", but on top of the song there will be a bar with the letter beginning with the next word (in my example, a "D"). Anyone know why it's doing that, and how to fix it? When the songs are added with iTunes, the song in my example is put with all the songs that begin with a D.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: azncookiecutter on 2009-02-13 04:07:47
A bit of a bug (or not, not really sure). Using foo_dop with my iPod touch, and any song that begins with "A", for example "A Day in the Life", it will put the song (when viewed in the all songs tab on the iPod) with all the songs that begin with an "A", but on top of the song there will be a bar with the letter beginning with the next word (in my example, a "D"). Anyone know why it's doing that, and how to fix it? When the songs are added with iTunes, the song in my example is put with all the songs that begin with a D.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-13 18:48:37
Not to sound ungrateful, but is "podcast support" going to be added?
Well, it just just seems like a large enough can of worms that I don't want to think about at the moment  Using iTunes just for them seems a reasonable compromise.

A bit of a bug (or not, not really sure). Using foo_dop with my iPod touch, and any song that begins with "A", for example "A Day in the Life", it will put the song (when viewed in the all songs tab on the iPod) with all the songs that begin with an "A", but on top of the song there will be a bar with the letter beginning with the next word (in my example, a "D"). Anyone know why it's doing that, and how to fix it? When the songs are added with iTunes, the song in my example is put with all the songs that begin with a D.
I wouldn't mind the screenshot you offered elsewhere so I can see where this 'D' is appearing "above the song", but the question is whether you want the song under 'A' or 'D'. I can probably fix it either way.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BelleAndZEK on 2009-02-19 01:54:01
Hi
I'm having a problem when comes the time to write to the DB.
It's the first time I'm having a problem with this plugin and I use it quite often.
I've just added a few albums and I got this error:

Error writing iTunesDB file : Expected 16 character
FireWireGUID. Got: 5


What's causing this? And how to fix it?
Thanks

Edit:
Foobar2000 v0.9.5.1
foo_dop 0.6.2.6
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-19 07:47:19
Something's odd there.

Your version of the component is a bit old. If you update to the latest, there will be a "Device Instance Path" written in the console. Paste that here please.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mpioner on 2009-02-19 12:29:33
musicmusic
  Big thks for great сomponent
Any chance to support CUE files?  This is one features that is not enough
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shfx on 2009-02-21 01:51:53
I am having a problem with my 2nd Gen ipod touch, the files are put on the ipod but the database is never updated, so my ipod is full but it says I have no songs.... why?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-21 08:59:34
What version of the component do you use?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shfx on 2009-02-21 13:32:45
0.6.3.6, i didn't know there was now 0.6.3.9, ill try with that
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-21 13:45:32
It shouldn't make a difference.

Can you post complete output from foobar2000 console after connecting your iPod and sending a song?

Can you also try restarting your iPod to see if that makes any difference?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shfx on 2009-02-21 13:58:39
Well, i can successfully sync one album or song fine, but when i try and sync my entire iPod selection playlist thats when i get a bunch or artwork and gapless errors.  How can i get the complete output from foobar2000?  is this it?:

Code: [Select]
Watching: E:\John\Foobar
Filter Panel (Artist) initialised in: 0.0557627 seconds
comserver2: Registering class objects succeeded.
Startup time : 0:06.447554
iPod manager: Listening for Apple mobile devices.
iPod manager: Connected to Apple Mobile Device (DID: 5, PID: 1293, UID: 54629f4182a46e6d814613ca66075527be626f8f)
iPod manager: USB AMD enumerator: Found USB\VID_05AC&PID_1293\54629F4182A46E6D814613CA66075527BE626F8F
iPod manager: Apple Mobile Device: Detected DBVersion: 4
iPod manager: Apple iPod/iPhone connected. Device Instance Path: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1293\54629F4182A46E6D814613CA66075527BE626F8F
iPod manager: Writing iPhone 2.x firmware signature
iPod manager: Writing iPhone 2.x firmware signature
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-21 14:06:11
Well, i can successfully sync one album or song fine
But I thought it doesn't show up?

i get a bunch or artwork and gapless errors.
Those are normal warnings. Anything else (e.g. error writing iTunesDB) is not.

How can i get the complete output from foobar2000?  is this it?:
Yes.

So if you are saying nothing is actually showing up on the iPod, can you:
1. Hold Shift and click on File, then iPod/Backup iTunesDB file and save it somewhere.
2. Run iTunes. Does it ask you to restore your iPod? Then I will give some further instructions.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shfx on 2009-02-21 14:09:58
Nothing shows up when i sync my entire ipod selection playlist.  it does when i sync just a few songs :/

I saved the iTunesDB file, and iTunes doesn't ask me to restore.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-21 14:15:18
There was probably just some error writing the iTunesDB file for some reason. Unfortunately it seems it can happen sometimes when sending many things to an iPhone/iPod touch.

Since you sent the files with an old version of the component, you will have to do this to recover the files copied but not in the database:
1. Open foobar2000 preferences/advanced/Tools/iPod manager/Number of extra filename chars and increase it by a few digits (four higher than previous value should be enough).
2. Run File/iPod/Recover orphaned files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shfx on 2009-02-21 14:21:07
I restored my ipod a bit ago before i started posting, so right now I just have 1 album on that synced correctly, should I try and sync my ipod selection playlist now?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-21 14:49:49
Well, I don't know. I am only going off behaviour that occurred for some people a fair while ago.

If it is a problem, sending the files in a couple of separate runs using 'send files' (or sync, enlarging the selection of files the second time), restarting foobar2000 in-between each, would probably avoid it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shfx on 2009-02-21 18:42:55
Ok, i tried syncing all of them again and got:

Code: [Select]
Error writing iTunesDB file : I/O Error: AFCFileInfoOpen returned: 12 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB.dop.backup


Im going to try what you said and just put them on in a few different runs.... is there any fix though?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-21 18:59:31
Unfortunately I don't own an iPod touch, so it's not easy to debug/fix. But yes that is the error code when the connection dies.

What is the total size of all the files you are trying to add?

So as you probably know you now have a bunch of orphaned files on your iPod, recover orphaned files should locate them and I would just remove them as they will be lacking artwork etc.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shfx on 2009-02-21 19:04:37
4000+ :/ , so i will cut it down and see what happens!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-21 19:16:13
I have no idea if it would have any relevance, but making sure iTunes, iPod firmware and Windows are all up-to-date can't hurt.

If it does happen again, I understand most/all iPod commands won't work straight afterwards - does restarting foobar2000 (without disconnecting the iPod) sort that?

One other thing - is there any possibility your iPod is getting close to full capacity? What capacity is your iPod and what is the file size of those 4000+ files?

Can you also tell me what OS / service pack you are running?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shfx on 2009-02-24 01:29:28
I did it by doing about 1500 at a time, and I have a 32 GB

Im on Windows Xp SP3

Now, another question.  I have a specific playlist that I sync to my ipod.  It contains the songs that I want on ym ipod, and the ones i dont are not in it.  How can I get new songs that foobar finds to be put in there automatically?  Also, if i syn that playlist, will songs put put on again that are already on my ipod?

Or, is ther a way to check songs that i want like in iTunes?  That would be so convienent.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-24 23:25:15
I did it by doing about 1500 at a time, and I have a 32 GB

Im on Windows Xp SP3
Hmm thanks, it's quite peculiar.. I wonder if it happens after a certain amount of data has been transferred? But then there should be more complaints about it, really. Out of interest, could you post a list of installed components? (Copy from prefs page)

Now, another question.  I have a specific playlist that I sync to my ipod.  It contains the songs that I want on ym ipod, and the ones i dont are not in it.  How can I get new songs that foobar finds to be put in there automatically?
Hmm, some kind of autoplaylist might help, but it depends on what criteria you use to select the songs.

Also, if i syn that playlist, will songs put put on again that are already on my ipod?
As long as they haven't been modified, they won't be recopied.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shfx on 2009-02-25 02:01:32
Code: [Select]
Core (2008-12-31 10:54:20)
    foobar2000 core 0.9.6.1
foo_abx.dll (2008-05-24 10:23:50)
    ABX Comparator 1.3.3
foo_cdda.dll (2008-12-31 07:00:20)
    CD Audio Decoder 2.1.4
foo_comserver2.dll (2006-07-31 14:13:20)
    COM Automation server 0.7 alpha 6
foo_converter.dll (2008-12-11 17:36:36)
    Converter 1.2
foo_dop.dll (2009-01-24 17:27:58)
    iPod manager 0.6.3.9
foo_dsp_std.dll (2008-12-11 17:36:40)
    Standard DSP Array 1.0
foo_fileops.dll (2008-12-11 17:36:30)
    File Operations 2.1.1
foo_freedb2.dll (2008-12-11 17:36:42)
    freedb Tagger 0.6.1
foo_input_std.dll (2008-12-31 07:00:48)
    Standard Input Array 1.0
foo_rgscan.dll (2008-12-24 14:25:50)
    ReplayGain Scanner 2.0.8
foo_ui_columns.dll (2008-12-27 14:15:16)
    Columns UI 0.3.6.4
foo_ui_std.dll (2008-12-12 16:05:28)
    Default User Interface 0.9.5
foo_uie_quicksearch.dll (2007-05-18 13:31:10)
    Quick Search Toolbar 2.8l
foo_uie_vis_channel_spectrum.dll (2008-05-18 03:02:12)
    Channel Spectrum panel 0.17.2
foo_uie_vis_peakmeter_spectrum.dll (2008-04-19 20:18:50)
    Peakmeter Spectrum Visualisation 0.2.0.0 beta
foo_unpack.dll (2008-11-13 14:08:10)
    RAR reader 1.1
    ZIP/GZIP reader 1.0


And do you by any chance know of any good autoplaylists that might be useful to me?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: duckwilliamson on 2009-02-26 08:53:32
I searched the topic but didn't see anything relevant: is there a way to force encoding of all files transferred to the ipod?

What I used to do with Winamp was make it transcode to 96 kbps mp3s when loading my higher quality mp3s from my regular playlist. That way I can fit practically double the songs on my shuffle and listening outdoors with those ipod headphones I don't notice a difference at all.

Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BelleAndZEK on 2009-02-26 18:15:58
Something's odd there.

Your version of the component is a bit old. If you update to the latest, there will be a "Device Instance Path" written in the console. Paste that here please.


Ah, Just update to the latest version and it seems to be OK now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-02-26 19:38:44
Code: [Select]
components list
Thanks.

And do you by any chance know of any good autoplaylists that might be useful to me?
If you go through Library/Search/? some help will show up. If you install the official playback statistics component it will track the date added to the media library also.

I searched the topic but didn't see anything relevant: is there a way to force encoding of all files transferred to the ipod?
Sorry, you can't at the moment.

Ah, Just update to the latest version and it seems to be OK now.
Still strange, I'm not sure if I changed anything that would affect that. Never mind, if it comes up again then post back.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: duckwilliamson on 2009-02-26 22:16:14
I searched the topic but didn't see anything relevant: is there a way to force encoding of all files transferred to the ipod?
Sorry, you can't at the moment.



Thanks for the quick reply. Are there any plans to allow this in the future and would it be hard to do?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: my_heroine on 2009-02-27 15:30:10
Hey, are there any plans to allow synchronisation of play counts and ratings from iPod to foobar and vice versa?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Maxoo on 2009-03-02 21:25:45
Everything is working fine right now (I have an iPhone 3G) except something, which is a bit annoying.
I created a playlist called "Video" where I put the video I want to put on my iPhone. Every time I right click on a video file and select "video properties" Foobar stops and shows me a console error.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-02 21:46:32
Thanks for the quick reply. Are there any plans to allow this in the future and would it be hard to do?
It's not difficult, I guess I just viewed some other things as more essential. I have some ideas on how to implement it so it probably will be at some point.

Everything is working fine right now (I have an iPhone 3G) except something, which is a bit annoying.
I created a playlist called "Video" where I put the video I want to put on my iPhone. Every time I right click on a video file and select "video properties" Foobar stops and shows me a console error.
But what does the error say? Also what is the file extension of the file?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NullString on 2009-03-03 14:55:21
dude this is cool! every tag is correctly displayed in the iphone 3g, including lyrics. the artwork is displayed. everything works perfectly! thanks for this component!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Maxoo on 2009-03-03 15:32:27
But what does the error say? Also what is the file extension of the file?

Here is the log :
Code: [Select]
Illegal operation:
Code: C0000005h, flags: 00000000h, address: 032DC67Ch
Access violation, operation: read, address: 00000030h
Call path:
entry=>app_mainloop=>contextmenu_item_node::execute
Code bytes (032DC67Ch):
032DC63Ch:  9E 00 00 00 85 C0 74 10 50 53 FF 15 38 85 34 03
032DC64Ch:  85 C0 0F 85 8A 00 00 00 45 3B 6C 24 10 0F 82 44
032DC65Ch:  FF FF FF 8B 5C 24 24 8B 74 24 10 8B 4C 24 20 80
032DC66Ch:  39 00 74 56 85 F6 74 49 8B 54 24 18 8B 02 8B 30
032DC67Ch:  8B 16 8B 44 24 1C 8B 52 20 6A FF 50 8B CE FF D2
032DC68Ch:  8B F8 83 FF FF 74 2A 8B 06 8B 50 18 57 8B CE FF
032DC69Ch:  D2 85 C0 76 1C 8B 06 8B 50 1C 6A 00 57 8B CE FF
032DC6ACh:  D2 85 C0 74 0C 8B 13 6A FF 50 8B 42 08 8B CB FF
Stack (0023E178h):
0023E158h:  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0023E168h:  00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0023E178h:  033511D8 00000001 0D29B950 00000000
0023E188h:  00000001 032DC8A9 0023E1B8 0334A67C
0023E198h:  0023E1B7 0023E1CC 4BBF6C4C 77750AB1
0023E1A8h:  0D29B9B4 0023E2E8 0D29B950 015042C0
0023E1B8h:  03D473A0 00000001 00000001 00000000
0023E1C8h:  00000033 033511D8 00000000 00000000
0023E1D8h:  00000000 00000000 01466888 00000001
0023E1E8h:  033511D8 00000000 00000000 00000000
0023E1F8h:  00000020 001705B9 0D29B9B4 0023E2E8
0023E208h:  0D29B950 0D29B950 000000B5 0000005F
0023E218h:  00000058 0000000F 0000004D 0000007C
0023E228h:  0000004D 00000093 77748A2F 032DC55C
0023E238h:  000001E4 00000108 77750AB1 0D29B9B4
0023E248h:  00000000 0023E3B4 0333EA13 00000004
0023E258h:  032DD75B 0D29B950 0004072E 0D29B950
0023E268h:  0023E490 0004072E 777500E9 77799B20
0023E278h:  0023E158 0023E2B8 7775055C 77750528
0023E288h:  475D3C50 0023E4E8 0004072E 015096C8
Registers:
EAX: 03D473A0, EBX: 0023E1CC, ECX: 0023E1B7, EDX: 0023E1B8
ESI: 00000030, EDI: 033511D8, EBP: 00000001, ESP: 0023E178
Crash location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h

Loaded modules:
foobar2000                      loaded at 01360000h - 0149D000h
ntdll                            loaded at 777D0000h - 778F7000h
kernel32                        loaded at 772D0000h - 773AB000h
COMCTL32                        loaded at 74DA0000h - 74F3E000h
msvcrt                          loaded at 77000000h - 770AA000h
ADVAPI32                        loaded at 76F30000h - 76FF6000h
RPCRT4                          loaded at 76D00000h - 76DC2000h
GDI32                            loaded at 760E0000h - 7612B000h
USER32                          loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
SHLWAPI                          loaded at 77610000h - 77668000h
SHELL32                          loaded at 76130000h - 76C40000h
ole32                            loaded at 77180000h - 772C4000h
shared                          loaded at 10000000h - 1002A000h
UxTheme                          loaded at 750A0000h - 750DF000h
COMDLG32                        loaded at 77680000h - 776F3000h
IMM32                            loaded at 76C80000h - 76C9E000h
MSCTF                            loaded at 77540000h - 77608000h
LPK                              loaded at 76CF0000h - 76CF9000h
USP10                            loaded at 76EB0000h - 76F2D000h
ATITOOLHOOKS                    loaded at 003C0000h - 003F0000h
UnlockerHook                    loaded at 00D30000h - 00D34000h
GameHook                        loaded at 10D00000h - 10D0F000h
lgscroll                        loaded at 10100000h - 1010E000h
MSVCR80                          loaded at 73000000h - 7309B000h
NTMARTA                          loaded at 75370000h - 75391000h
WLDAP32                          loaded at 76CA0000h - 76CEA000h
WS2_32                          loaded at 76C40000h - 76C6D000h
NSI                              loaded at 77670000h - 77676000h
PSAPI                            loaded at 75FB0000h - 75FB7000h
SAMLIB                          loaded at 75B00000h - 75B11000h
LVPrcInj01                      loaded at 00D90000h - 00DAB000h
foo_run                          loaded at 002C0000h - 002EE000h
foo_utils                        loaded at 710C0000h - 71104000h
foo_dsp_std                      loaded at 00300000h - 00348000h
foo_wlm                          loaded at 70A40000h - 70A5C000h
foo_ui_std                      loaded at 02290000h - 02365000h
gdiplus                          loaded at 74850000h - 749FB000h
MSIMG32                          loaded at 75340000h - 75345000h
foo_uie_vis_channel_spectrum    loaded at 00380000h - 003BD000h
WINMM                            loaded at 74B30000h - 74B62000h
OLEAUT32                        loaded at 76E20000h - 76EAD000h
OLEACC                          loaded at 74AF0000h - 74B29000h
foo_fileops                      loaded at 00E20000h - 00E66000h
foo_input_std                    loaded at 025B0000h - 026EF000h
foo_playcount                    loaded at 00ED0000h - 00EFA000h
foo_uie_lyrics                  loaded at 01150000h - 011AD000h
WININET                          loaded at 770B0000h - 77180000h
Normaliz                        loaded at 76C70000h - 76C73000h
iertutil                        loaded at 76DD0000h - 76E15000h
foo_abx                          loaded at 011B0000h - 011E1000h
foo_vis_shpeck                  loaded at 6F270000h - 6F2AE000h
foo_uie_wsh_panel                loaded at 70180000h - 701AF000h
foo_uie_albumlist                loaded at 01230000h - 0126D000h
foo_playback_custom              loaded at 01270000h - 012B5000h
WINSPOOL                        loaded at 74020000h - 74062000h
foo_unpack                      loaded at 01300000h - 0132D000h
foo_uie_panel_splitter          loaded at 02370000h - 023BF000h
foo_uie_quicksearch              loaded at 023C0000h - 02406000h
foo_uie_elplaylist              loaded at 02A40000h - 02AA7000h
foo_cdda                        loaded at 02B00000h - 02B41000h
foo_dts                          loaded at 030B0000h - 0318B000h
foo_dop                          loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
SETUPAPI                        loaded at 773B0000h - 7753A000h
QUARTZ                          loaded at 63BB0000h - 63D23000h
DXVA2                            loaded at 693C0000h - 693D3000h
foo_albumlist                    loaded at 02B60000h - 02BCC000h
foo_input_alac                  loaded at 028F0000h - 02910000h
foo_uie_trackinfo_mod            loaded at 03040000h - 03096000h
MSVCP80                          loaded at 716D0000h - 71757000h
foo_menu_addons                  loaded at 03190000h - 031ED000h
libmmd                          loaded at 04030000h - 042E1000h
foo_freedb2                      loaded at 02C00000h - 02C42000h
foo_skip                        loaded at 74CF0000h - 74CFC000h
MSVCR90                          loaded at 66870000h - 66913000h
foo_ui_columns                  loaded at 044F0000h - 0462B000h
foo_managedWrapper              loaded at 04840000h - 04902000h
mscoree                          loaded at 72350000h - 72396000h
msvcm80                          loaded at 68070000h - 680ED000h
mscorwks                        loaded at 6FB80000h - 70110000h
mscorlib.ni                      loaded at 6E580000h - 6F077000h
mscorjit                        loaded at 717C0000h - 7181B000h
rsaenh                          loaded at 753F0000h - 7542B000h
System.ni                        loaded at 6CD00000h - 6D485000h
System.Drawing.ni                loaded at 6F9F0000h - 6FB78000h
System.Windows.Forms.ni          loaded at 69E90000h - 6AA6E000h
dotnet_title                    loaded at 74490000h - 744AC000h
foo_rgscan                      loaded at 04910000h - 0496B000h
foo_uie_graphical_browser        loaded at 67B40000h - 67BD4000h
foo_comserver2                  loaded at 04970000h - 049C6000h
foo_converter                    loaded at 06CE0000h - 06D4C000h
mscms                            loaded at 689B0000h - 68A12000h
USERENV                          loaded at 75F00000h - 75F1E000h
Secur32                          loaded at 75EE0000h - 75EF4000h
icm32                            loaded at 6BEF0000h - 6BF28000h
SXS                              loaded at 75DC0000h - 75E1F000h
CLBCatQ                          loaded at 76050000h - 760D4000h
jscript                          loaded at 63810000h - 6388D000h
sud                              loaded at 64600000h - 6472E000h
ADVPACK                          loaded at 6F0C0000h - 6F0EE000h
VERSION                          loaded at 756E0000h - 756E8000h
PROPSYS                          loaded at 74790000h - 7484B000h
DUser                            loaded at 74BC0000h - 74BF0000h
WINTRUST                        loaded at 751A0000h - 751CD000h
CRYPT32                          loaded at 75980000h - 75A71000h
MSASN1                          loaded at 75AE0000h - 75AF2000h
imagehlp                        loaded at 77700000h - 77729000h
QTMLClient                      loaded at 6C8D0000h - 6C921000h
iTunesMobileDevice              loaded at 0C0F0000h - 0C21B000h
WSOCK32                          loaded at 74230000h - 74237000h
QuickTime                        loaded at 60E50000h - 61B0B000h
DSOUND                          loaded at 70550000h - 705C0000h
POWRPROF                        loaded at 75350000h - 7536A000h
mswsock                          loaded at 75670000h - 756AB000h
wshtcpip                        loaded at 75330000h - 75335000h
System.Xml.ni                    loaded at 66970000h - 66EA6000h
Accessibility.ni                loaded at 67210000h - 6721A000h
MMDevApi                        loaded at 74A40000h - 74A67000h
AUDIOSES                        loaded at 745C0000h - 745E1000h
audioeng                        loaded at 743A0000h - 74406000h
AVRT                            loaded at 75180000h - 75187000h
browseui                        loaded at 73770000h - 738B6000h
tiptsf                          loaded at 67AE0000h - 67B40000h
dbghelp                          loaded at 73AF0000h - 73BCC000h

Stack dump analysis:
Address: 033511D8h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+0003B318h)
Address: 032DC8A9h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Address: 0334A67Ch, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+000347BCh)
Address: 77750AB1h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "SendMessageW" (+00000000h)
Address: 033511D8h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+0003B318h)
Address: 01466888h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 01360000h - 0149D000h
Address: 033511D8h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+0003B318h)
Address: 77748A2Fh, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "GetClientRect" (+00000036h)
Address: 032DC55Ch, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Address: 77750AB1h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "SendMessageW" (+00000000h)
Address: 0333EA13h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+00028B53h)
Address: 032DD75Bh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Address: 777500E9h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "TranslateMessageEx" (+00000053h)
Address: 77799B20h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "DrawFrame" (+00005419h)
Address: 7775055Ch, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+0000009Fh)
Address: 77750528h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "DefWindowProcW" (+0000006Bh)
Address: 7774F620h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "CreateCaret" (+000052D6h)
Address: 7774F6AAh, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongW" (+0000002Bh)
Address: 7774F6B6h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongW" (+00000037h)
Address: 03313596h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Address: 7774F8D2h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "GetMessageW" (+00000093h)
Address: 77741912h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "PostThreadMessageW" (+00000049h)
Address: 03313400h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Address: 7774F73Dh, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongW" (+000000BEh)
Address: 777951BAh, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "DrawFrame" (+00000AB3h)
Address: 77750817h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "ReleaseDC" (+0000007Ah)
Address: 03313400h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Address: 77748871h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "GetKeyState" (+000000AAh)
Address: 777951BAh, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "DrawFrame" (+00000AB3h)
Address: 777439F7h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "CharNextW" (+000000FEh)
Address: 03313400h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Address: 778299CEh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 777D0000h - 778F7000h
Symbol: "KiUserCallbackDispatcher" (+0000002Eh)
Address: 77829980h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 777D0000h - 778F7000h
Symbol: "KiUserApcDispatcher" (+00000048h)
Address: 032A0000h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Address: 03313400h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
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Address: 0334E2C0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
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Address: 032A0000h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Address: 032A0000h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Address: 7773EBABh, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
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Address: 03313400h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Address: 032A0000h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Address: 0334E2C0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
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Address: 77835955h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 777D0000h - 778F7000h
Symbol: "RtlAllocateHeap" (+000000AFh)
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Address: 77835B87h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 777D0000h - 778F7000h
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Address: 77743CC3h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
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Address: 03368A74h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
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Symbol: "CreateWindowExW" (+00000033h)
Address: 0334E2C0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+00038400h)
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Address: 7774169Eh, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "GetMonitorInfoW" (+00000000h)
Address: 03313281h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Address: 0334E2C0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+00038400h)
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Address: 032DDED0h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Address: 014661D8h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 01360000h - 0149D000h
Address: 00310059h, location: "foo_dsp_std", loaded at 00300000h - 00348000h
Address: 03340EAEh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+0002AFEEh)
Address: 032C63EFh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Address: 778299CEh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 777D0000h - 778F7000h
Symbol: "KiUserCallbackDispatcher" (+0000002Eh)
Address: 03345CA8h, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+0002FDE8h)
Address: 032C6BDBh, location: "foo_dop", loaded at 032A0000h - 0337E000h
Address: 0137D4DDh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 01360000h - 0149D000h
Address: 02A7D8A7h, location: "foo_uie_elplaylist", loaded at 02A40000h - 02AA7000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+0002A607h)
Address: 01425729h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 01360000h - 0149D000h
Address: 02A7D8DFh, location: "foo_uie_elplaylist", loaded at 02A40000h - 02AA7000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+0002A63Fh)
Address: 01466DB0h, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 01360000h - 0149D000h
Address: 02A938F4h, location: "foo_uie_elplaylist", loaded at 02A40000h - 02AA7000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+00040654h)
Address: 02A931ACh, location: "foo_uie_elplaylist", loaded at 02A40000h - 02AA7000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+0003FF0Ch)
Address: 02A92F20h, location: "foo_uie_elplaylist", loaded at 02A40000h - 02AA7000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+0003FC80h)
Address: 02A939F4h, location: "foo_uie_elplaylist", loaded at 02A40000h - 02AA7000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+00040754h)
Address: 02A931B4h, location: "foo_uie_elplaylist", loaded at 02A40000h - 02AA7000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+0003FF14h)
Address: 02A8B26Ah, location: "foo_uie_elplaylist", loaded at 02A40000h - 02AA7000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+00037FCAh)
Address: 02A7E75Fh, location: "foo_uie_elplaylist", loaded at 02A40000h - 02AA7000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+0002B4BFh)
Address: 77838B2Ch, location: "ntdll", loaded at 777D0000h - 778F7000h
Symbol: "RtlTryEnterCriticalSection" (+00000A49h)
Address: 77838752h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 777D0000h - 778F7000h
Symbol: "RtlTryEnterCriticalSection" (+0000066Fh)
Address: 777951BAh, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "DrawFrame" (+00000AB3h)
Address: 777D9834h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 777D0000h - 778F7000h
Symbol: "RtlUpdateTimer" (+00000605h)
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Symbol: "RtlTryEnterCriticalSection" (+0000053Ch)
Address: 77838652h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 777D0000h - 778F7000h
Symbol: "RtlTryEnterCriticalSection" (+0000056Fh)
Address: 7774F620h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "CreateCaret" (+000052D6h)
Address: 7774F6AAh, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongW" (+0000002Bh)
Address: 7774F6B6h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongW" (+00000037h)
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Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+0003806Ah)
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Symbol: "DrawFrame" (+00000AB3h)
Address: 02A57268h, location: "foo_uie_elplaylist", loaded at 02A40000h - 02AA7000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+00003FC8h)
Address: 7774F8D2h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "GetMessageW" (+00000093h)
Address: 7774F794h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongW" (+00000115h)
Address: 02A570D0h, location: "foo_uie_elplaylist", loaded at 02A40000h - 02AA7000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+00003E30h)
Address: 7774F73Dh, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "GetWindowLongW" (+000000BEh)
Address: 777951BAh, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "DrawFrame" (+00000AB3h)
Address: 77750817h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "ReleaseDC" (+0000007Ah)
Address: 02A570D0h, location: "foo_uie_elplaylist", loaded at 02A40000h - 02AA7000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+00003E30h)
Address: 777951BAh, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "DrawFrame" (+00000AB3h)
Address: 77750A65h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "GetWindowThreadProcessId" (+000001CDh)
Address: 02A570D0h, location: "foo_uie_elplaylist", loaded at 02A40000h - 02AA7000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+00003E30h)
Address: 778299CEh, location: "ntdll", loaded at 777D0000h - 778F7000h
Symbol: "KiUserCallbackDispatcher" (+0000002Eh)
Address: 77829980h, location: "ntdll", loaded at 777D0000h - 778F7000h
Symbol: "KiUserApcDispatcher" (+00000048h)
Address: 02A570D0h, location: "foo_uie_elplaylist", loaded at 02A40000h - 02AA7000h
Symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+00003E30h)
Address: 777507CCh, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "ReleaseDC" (+0000002Fh)
Address: 77748871h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "GetKeyState" (+000000AAh)
Address: 7774899Bh, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "GetKeyState" (+000001D4h)
Address: 777504B4h, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
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Symbol: "IsThemeBackgroundPartiallyTransparent" (+000005C2h)
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Symbol: "MsgWaitForMultipleObjectsEx" (+0000025Bh)
Address: 7775048Dh, location: "USER32", loaded at 77730000h - 777CD000h
Symbol: "MsgWaitForMultipleObjectsEx" (+0000025Bh)
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Address: 01376AAFh, location: "foobar2000", loaded at 01360000h - 0149D000h
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Version info:
foobar2000 v0.9.6.1
UNICODE
Windows 6.0


Additional info:
Skip Track 1.0.0  (foo_skip)
DTS decoder 0.1.4 (Intel SSE)  (foo_dts)
iPod manager 0.6.4.0  (foo_dop)
Run services 0.3.4  (foo_run)
Standard DSP Array 1.0  (foo_dsp_std)
COM Automation server 0.7 alpha 6  (foo_comserver2)
WSH Panel (uie) 0.7.2  (foo_uie_wsh_panel)
Album List 4.3  (foo_albumlist)
RAR reader 1.1  (foo_unpack)
foobar2000 core 0.9.6.1  (Core)
Playback Statistics 2.1.6  (foo_playcount)
ALAC Decoder 1.0.1  (foo_input_alac)
Channel Spectrum panel 0.17.2  (foo_uie_vis_channel_spectrum)
freedb Tagger 0.6.1  (foo_freedb2)
Graphical Browser rev015  (foo_uie_graphical_browser)
Converter 1.2  (foo_converter)
CD Audio Decoder 2.1.4  (foo_cdda)
Windows Live Messenger Notifier 1.0.5  (foo_wlm)
Panel Stack Splitter 0.3.6.2(alpha)  (foo_uie_panel_splitter)
ZIP/GZIP reader 1.0  (foo_unpack)
Playback Statistics Custom 1.4.3  (foo_playback_custom)
foo_managedWrapper 0.5  (foo_managedWrapper)
File Operations 2.1.1  (foo_fileops)
ABX Comparator 1.3.3  (foo_abx)
Playlist Tools 0.6.2 beta 6  (foo_utils)
Default User Interface 0.9.5  (foo_ui_std)
Menu Addons 0.4 (Intel SSE)  (foo_menu_addons)
Album list panel 0.2.2  (foo_uie_albumlist)
ReplayGain Scanner 2.0.8  (foo_rgscan)
Quick Search Toolbar 2.8l  (foo_uie_quicksearch)
Columns UI 0.3.6.4  (foo_ui_columns)
Standard Input Array 1.0  (foo_input_std)
Shpeck - Winamp vis plugins wrapper 0.3.0  (foo_vis_shpeck)
Track info panel mod 0.8.0 beta [Jan  5 2007 - 13:36:12]  (foo_uie_trackinfo_mod)
Lyric Show Panel 0.3.3.9 [Dec 12 2008 - 17:39:01]  (foo_uie_lyrics)
ELPlaylist 0.6.3.0(beta)  (foo_uie_elplaylist)
The file is a .m4v
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-03 17:31:40
I'll check/fix the crash, thanks for the report.

The file should be in an MP4 container with .mp4 file extension though as that's what foobar2000/this component supports.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Maxoo on 2009-03-03 23:36:09
It works when i use it with an .mp4 file.
Can you add the compatibility with .m4v file ? (iTunes send them to the iPhone without any conversions)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2009-03-03 23:45:06
What you are asking for is more a fb2k issue not recognizing .m4v than a foo_dop issue. Since fb2k is not a video player, I doubt that you will see any action to resolve the issue.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Maxoo on 2009-03-04 14:41:32
:s
can foo_dop send .m4v to an iPod ? I would tag the files in iTunes and send them with foobar if yes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2009-03-05 00:00:42
Short answer is no. Rename your extension from m4v to mp4 and foo_dop will send the file to the iPod. As I mentioned earlier, this is a foobar2000 (fb2k) issue, not a foo_dop issue. foobar2000 does not recognize the m4v extension.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Maxoo on 2009-03-05 18:31:21
But when I drag a .m4v file in th e playlist, it works !
You are sure mp4/m4v is the same thing ? Can I just replace extensions without having to reencode the file ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2009-03-05 19:03:35
I am absolutely positive that they are the same. The MP4 container consists of: mp4 (general), m4a (audio only), m4v (video), m4p (DRM), and m4b (audiobook, DRM audiobook). Yes, you can just do a rename of the extension. If you don't believe me, then copy a m4v file, rename it, play it, then transfer it to your iPod and play it again.

EDIT: Spelling
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2009-03-05 19:13:28
But when I drag a .m4v file in th e playlist, it works !
I just tried this on my computer and fb2k shows it in the playlist, but it will not play it for me. To what program did you drag it to that it worked?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2009-03-06 00:34:28
Hi!

I just installed the Ipod Manager and my Ipod 5G synced fine immediately. Great! The Problem is: I don't see any Artwork on my Ipod, although they are all visible in foobar. My Pics are located in the mp3-tags, and sometimes additionally in the corresponding folder, but sometimes not with standard-filenames like "folder.jpg". But even albums whith cover-pics in the tags and "folder.jpg" in its directory won´t appear with cover-art on my Ipod.
I enabled "Artwork" in the preferences and have "source script": "folder" and enabled "Additionally use foobar2000 built-in artwork reader" . The artwork was added before syncing and i already deleted everything on my Ipod and resynced and also did an "rewrite database".

The other question is: How do I tell Itunes not to delete my mp3s transferred whith foobar, when syncing my podcasts from the itunes-store with Itunes?

Bye,
dag0
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2009-03-06 15:37:10
The other question is: How do I tell Itunes not to delete my mp3s transferred whith foobar, when syncing my podcasts from the itunes-store with Itunes?

I solved this issue by resetting ma Ipod via Itunes. But the problem with my Ipod not showing cover-art still remains. When I list my music stored on the Ipod in Itunes or in foobar whith: "manage contents" the cover art is visible in both programs as long as the ipod is connected. But having a look at M:\iPod_Control\Artwork it turns out, that this folder has only 1,44MB. Is this normal?

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-06 17:08:20
See here:
http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#i_am_having_p..._artwork_copied (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#i_am_having_problems_getting_my_artwork_copied)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2009-03-06 19:56:05
See here: http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#i_am_having_p..._artwork_copied (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#i_am_having_problems_getting_my_artwork_copied)

Thanks! Strange, but it works! Why can I write everything but album-art on my Ipod as restricted User?

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-06 20:37:28
It's not the purpose of a FAQ to raise further questions. Hence there is further information in the FAQ now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Maxoo on 2009-03-06 21:18:55
It does not wrok when I play .m4v with foobar, but it's shown in the Playlist.
I just renamed them in .mp4, and it works great. Thanks !
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2009-03-06 21:37:30
You are welcome.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2009-03-07 10:01:57
It's not the purpose of a FAQ to raise further questions. Hence there is further information in the FAQ now.

Thanks! Right now I start foobar as a system-service at startup and my config is now stored in the program-folder. So I don't have to do a "run as" everytime I want to sync my Ipod. Not ideal, but works! 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-08 22:35:02
iPod manager 0.6.4.1 released.

When used with the new Playback Statistics 2.1.8 (http://www.foobar2000.org/?page=Download#components) synchronising play data/ratings with the media library is now supported. Thanks to Peter for adding support for it in Playback Statistics

Please see here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:notes#about_synchronising_playback_statistics_with_the_foobar2000_media_library) for some information on how it works, limitations etc. Any questions/problems relating to this, probably best to post them in this thread.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: novembre on 2009-03-08 23:28:25
Nice new feature! Good work as always.  Although I use Playback Statistics Custom, I'll give it a try to see if I could make them live together to get this feature.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: eradumvelhinho on 2009-03-09 20:26:25
One question.

Does the update process occurs when the tracks were converted?. I guess not because I tried it and it didn't work (in my PC the tracks were separated by .apl files). I'm guessing it's the same with flac, ape and other formats.

Thanks for this nice feature. It helps a lot.

Edit: Maybe I had to transfer the files with this new version of foo_dop. If that's the case sorry for the question.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: davvid on 2009-03-09 21:10:18
Thanks for this awesome feature. Great work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-03-09 21:14:10
I truly enjoy the new PS integration, but there's one thing that's bothering me. I like to sync my playback statistics to the files. This, of course, causes a file rewrite when syncing ones iPod. The problem, though, is that foo_dop doesn't recognize this during aforementioned sync, so they have to be synced a second time to have the correct play count etc. Can this be looked into? It's mainly nitpicking, though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-03-09 21:32:05
I truly enjoy the new PS integration, but there's one thing that's bothering me. I like to sync my playback statistics to the files. This, of course, causes a file rewrite when syncing ones iPod. The problem, though, is that foo_dop doesn't recognize this during aforementioned sync, so they have to be synced a second time to have the correct play count etc. Can this be looked into? It's mainly nitpicking, though.


I was wondering the same thing. I also write statistics to the file. So it seems that a sync would be needed to run twice for the files to really be synced? What will happen if you do not sync second time and foobar and ipod both play this file. Would statistics get lost?

By the way, musicmusic thank you very much for this great plugin!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-09 21:36:38
Does the update process occurs when the tracks were converted?. I guess not because I tried it and it didn't work (in my PC the tracks were separated by .apl files). I'm guessing it's the same with flac, ape and other formats.

Thanks for this nice feature. It helps a lot.

Edit: Maybe I had to transfer the files with this new version of foo_dop. If that's the case sorry for the question.
As long as they weren't sent using a really old version of the component (or moved as mentioned) it should be OK. Admittedly I haven't tested subsongs but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work. You can check if the component has a path stored in the "In DopDB" column in Manage contents (you can't see the actual path currently, though).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-09 21:48:30
The problem, though, is that foo_dop doesn't recognize this during aforementioned sync, so they have to be synced a second time to have the correct play count etc. Can this be looked into? It's mainly nitpicking, though.
Ah yes that would be right, the reason is it checks what to sync and shows the preview window before the files get modifed from the play counts stuff. (The stats *may* still be updated on the iPod without the second sync, I'm not sure).

The solution would have to be to delay those two things until after the play count stuff, and stopping at the preview stage would have to skip copying files etc. but still write an updated DB.

Thanks I'll try and change this for the next build.

(There should be no problem if the stats are not written to the files, though).

What will happen if you do not sync second time and foobar and ipod both play this file. Would statistics get lost?
No it shouldn't.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: eradumvelhinho on 2009-03-09 22:43:21
[As long as they weren't sent using a really old version of the component (or moved as mentioned) it should be OK. Admittedly I haven't tested subsongs but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work. You can check if the component has a path stored in the "In DopDB" column in Manage contents (you can't see the actual path currently, though).


Thanks for the quick answer. I did a fresh install of the files in the iPod and it works fine (like you told). I had many files that they were not in the DopDB. I don't understand why! I always use foo_dop to transfer the files.



Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dremora on 2009-03-09 22:52:08
musicmusic, thank you for the playback statistics update feature. I have one suggestion, though: it would be nice to see a window after each database rewriting displaying a list of tracks which will be updated and/or scrobbled, and also showing which of those tracks have been missing since they were added to iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TsiRoadkill on 2009-03-10 05:52:16
error reading metadata cache: unsupported format or corrupted file
Any insight it worked up until yesterday.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: duckwilliamson on 2009-03-10 08:27:54
Well so far everything is worked as expected except for one issue: I have my "ipod shuffle playlist" that I just click "sync" on so when I add/remove files to that playlist my shuffle keeps up. This works great except if I change track order it isn't reflected on the ipod. New tracks on the playlist are just added below ones currently on there (the "no change" in the sync).

Is there a button/option to force rewriting the database in the correct track order when syncing or must I remove all the tracks on the shuffle and then re-add the whole playlist?

Thanks for a great tool, Cheers!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ionzorg on 2009-03-12 03:32:23
Hello peoples.

I have a dilemma, and I'm sure one of the many foobar/iPod enthusiasts here can assist me. My computer is one of those unfortunate ones I've been reading about recently that apparently iTunes doesn't agree with for whatever reason (it might be because it's an illegitimate copy of Windows, but hey, what copy isn't these days). So basically, I download the iTunes setup, install it, select the icon to open it, and...it doesn't. Trying an abundance of possible ways to open the program, and many more that I researched online, came up with diddly squat, so I've accepted at this point that there's no way I'm opening iTunes on this thing without a complete reformat; which I'd rather not do, for obvious reasons.

Reading up on the several iTunes alternatives, Rockbox, Winamp, etc., the instructions inevitably state that the iPod must first be enabled as an external hard drive, with the use of iTunes. Obviously, this doesn't help me at all. 

Hence, my questions: Will this plugin work with an iPod, if said iPod isn't enabled as a hard drive? If it will not work, is there a way to enable it without the use of iTunes? Is there an alternative to any of these options that anyone can think of? Am I screwed?

Any help is appreciated. My faith rests with you, foobar...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: haazetzet on 2009-03-12 16:19:18
does this also work with creative players?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-03-12 16:30:06
@haazetzet: Sorry, no.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2009-03-12 20:53:07
I think I found a bug.  I have Phrenology by The Roots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology_(album) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology_(album))).  It has 2 [Untitled] tracks back to back which are silent (tracks 15 and 16).  When I loaded the album the first time, all 18 tracks were copied just fine onto my iPod.  However, the next time I synched it, foo_dop was telling me I should remove one of these tracks (I couldn't tell because they both have the same track title).  Now, on my iPod, the album has only 17 tracks because foo_dop removed one of the [Untitled] tracks.  Is this a bug on my end, or is this a bug in the plugin?  By the way, I'm using foobar 0.9.6.3 with 0.6.3.9 foo_dop.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-12 23:06:45
error reading metadata cache: unsupported format or corrupted file
Any insight it worked up until yesterday.
For some reason the metadata_cache.fpl file got corrupted. If you have access to it, delete it and try again. I'll take a look at what exactly the compnent does when it is corrupt, it would probably be a better idea if it just carried on anyway.

[..yada..]Hence, my questions: Will this plugin work with an iPod, if said iPod isn't enabled as a hard drive? If it will not work, is there a way to enable it without the use of iTunes? Is there an alternative to any of these options that anyone can think of? Am I screwed?
Don't they come with disk use enabled these days? You could do the obvious things such as doing it on another computer, or even using a virtual machine with USB passthrough. Or boot the iPod in recovery disk mode and either use the component like this or delete the iPod_Control directory, restart the iPod and see what happens.

I think I found a bug.  I have Phrenology by The Roots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology_(album) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology_(album))).  It has 2 [Untitled] tracks back to back which are silent (tracks 15 and 16).  When I loaded the album the first time, all 18 tracks were copied just fine onto my iPod.  However, the next time I synched it, foo_dop was telling me I should remove one of these tracks (I couldn't tell because they both have the same track title).  Now, on my iPod, the album has only 17 tracks because foo_dop removed one of the [Untitled] tracks.  Is this a bug on my end, or is this a bug in the plugin?  By the way, I'm using foobar 0.9.6.3 with 0.6.3.9 foo_dop.
The component uses the modified date, filesize, artist, title and album to identify each track. Cleary you have some odd case where those are all equal for those two files. If you are going to keep blank album tracks on your computer, I think it's probably a good idea to give them different titles. I'll think about including tracknumber etc. in it, though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-03-13 14:08:37
@ Ionzorg (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showuser=67866)

My copy of windows is legit. Matter of fact I have 3 legits.

Just out of curiosity have you tried opening iTunes from the .exe in the install folder instead of the shortcut?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dremora on 2009-03-13 20:21:25
Somehow (apparently, after using "rewrite database" command) playcount tags on several tracks from an album I've listened to today on iPod have decreased (from 11 to 7 and 8). I'm not sure if this was done by foo_dop/foo_playcount, but according to the backup of database.fpl made 4 days ago the whole album was played 11 times, and I haven't played it or changed its tags since then.

I keep playback statistics in tags and never use "synchronize" command.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-13 20:28:25
My copy of windows is legit. Matter of fact I have 3 legits.
Same here (well 4 really, more Windows licences than computers )  I don't know why this topic was even relevant, though.

Somehow (apparently, after using "rewrite database" command) playcount tags on several tracks from an album I've listened to today on iPod have decreased (from 11 to 7 and 8). I'm not sure if this was done by foo_dop/foo_playcount, but according to the backup of database.fpl made 4 days ago the whole album was played 11 times, and I haven't played it or changed its tags since then.

I keep playback statistics in tags and never use "synchronize" command.
I can't do anything that would directly cause play counts to decrease in your files. I think something like this can happen if you had your play counts stored as metadata and not in the playback statistics database. I don't know the rules it uses though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dremora on 2009-03-13 22:27:11
I think something like this can happen if you had your play counts stored as metadata and not in the playback statistics database. I don't know the rules it uses though.

Well, you are right — I've examined PlaybackStatistics.dat using hex editor, and it seems that the values stored there differ from the ones in file tags. This must have happened because formerly I was manually updating play counts of tracks I listened to on iPod without using "Import Statistics from File Tags" command afterwards. I thought that internal database was being updated right after writing tags, because I was confused with %play_count% value — now I understand that it returns not the value stored in internal database nor a file tag value, but whichever is the largest. What's even more interesting, foo_playcount uses titleformat script %play_count% to update playback statistics after listening to the track (as a variant, it automatically imports info from tags, which should give the same result). Perhaps you can consider implementing the same behavior as I still have to update some of the tracks manually (the ones which were moved after being uploaded to iPod)?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-13 23:12:20
Whatever is displayed via %play_count% is what will get imported to the iPod when the file is sent over (since current version). However if you don't use sync, they will get out of sync. The component just tells Playback Statistics what was played on the iPod since last time they met, then it uses whatever rules it has to merge those into its database. Does that help?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2009-03-14 01:24:19
I think I found a bug.  I have Phrenology by The Roots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology_(album) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology_(album))).  It has 2 [Untitled] tracks back to back which are silent (tracks 15 and 16).  When I loaded the album the first time, all 18 tracks were copied just fine onto my iPod.  However, the next time I synched it, foo_dop was telling me I should remove one of these tracks (I couldn't tell because they both have the same track title).  Now, on my iPod, the album has only 17 tracks because foo_dop removed one of the [Untitled] tracks.  Is this a bug on my end, or is this a bug in the plugin?  By the way, I'm using foobar 0.9.6.3 with 0.6.3.9 foo_dop.
The component uses the modified date, filesize, artist, title and album to identify each track. Cleary you have some odd case where those are all equal for those two files. If you are going to keep blank album tracks on your computer, I think it's probably a good idea to give them different titles. I'll think about including tracknumber etc. in it, though.


Yeah, they are all equal.  Both [Untitled] tracks have the same name ([Untitled]), are the same size (86628 bytes), are the same artist, etc, but they're technically different tracks.  This is definitely a weird edge case, but I'd rather not remove them either because the album was meant to be listened to with both silent tracks in there.  Including the tracknumber would indeed fix the issue.  Thanks for considering it. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dremora on 2009-03-14 12:56:08
Whatever is displayed via %play_count% is what will get imported to the iPod when the file is sent over (since current version). However if you don't use sync, they will get out of sync.

I don't really care about playback statistics on iPod, I only need it to be updated in foobar2000 library.
The component just tells Playback Statistics what was played on the iPod since last time they met, then it uses whatever rules it has to merge those into its database. Does that help?

Then I guess it's a bug in foo_playcount.
The component uses the modified date, filesize, artist, title and album to identify each track. Cleary you have some odd case where those are all equal for those two files. If you are going to keep blank album tracks on your computer, I think it's probably a good idea to give them different titles. I'll think about including tracknumber etc. in it, though.

I think Media Library needs some hash values or GUIDs to uniquely identify any track. This would also help to get rid of some sync command problems (no need to reconvert the whole track after just changing tags, etc.).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2009-03-14 18:35:30
Then I guess it's a bug in foo_playcount.
The component uses the modified date, filesize, artist, title and album to identify each track. Cleary you have some odd case where those are all equal for those two files. If you are going to keep blank album tracks on your computer, I think it's probably a good idea to give them different titles. I'll think about including tracknumber etc. in it, though.

I think Media Library needs some hash values or GUIDs to uniquely identify any track. This would also help to get rid of some sync command problems (no need to reconvert the whole track after just changing tags, etc.).

Well foobar's media library is backed by a database.  All songs must therefore be tied to a unique primary key, so we could just use the song's primary key (which is presumably an int ID).  That'd be the simplest solution.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2009-03-14 19:10:28
Well foobar's media library is backed by a database.  All songs must therefore be tied to a unique primary key, so we could just use the song's primary key (which is presumably an int ID).  That'd be the simplest solution.

Ah, but it most probably won't be unique between machines; so if you use your iPod with more than one machine you'll still have a problem...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Yirkha on 2009-03-14 23:27:37
Well foobar's media library is backed by a database.  All songs must therefore be tied to a unique primary key, so we could just use the song's primary key (which is presumably an int ID).
In reality it's file path and optional subsong index.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-03-15 12:54:18
Works well with iPod Touch 1st generation. Jailbreak and 2.2.1 firmware in use.

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Alcatraz on 2009-03-15 17:22:43
Popup a window "No iPod found " after itune updated to 8.1
iPod Touch G2 Jailbreak

Any solution?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-15 19:19:17
It was working with 8.0.x?

Can you paste the output from the foobar2000 console after connecting your iPod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Milindur on 2009-03-15 22:11:34
It was working with 8.0.x?

Can you paste the output from the foobar2000 console after connecting your iPod?

Same here with iPod Touch (1st Gen., Firmware 2.2.1). After update to iTunes 8.1 the iPod is not found. iTunes 8.0 worked.

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iPod manager: Connected to Apple Mobile Device (DID: 1, PID: 1291, UID: ed2fde72cdbce722813fc190d27dbaaa9a8df1f0)
iPod manager: USB AMD enumerator: No devices found!
iPod manager: error: Could not locate matching USB device for Apple Mobile Device!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-15 22:13:31
Can you try reinstalling Apple Mobile Device Support (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphone_ipod_touch_is_not_detected)? Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Milindur on 2009-03-15 23:03:25
Can you try reinstalling Apple Mobile Device Support (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphone_ipod_touch_is_not_detected)? Thanks.

Thank you very much :-). Reinstalling Apple Mobile Device Support fixed it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-15 23:35:53
Great, still slightly mysterious, this does seem to happen from time to time. Maybe something to do with when the iPod/iPhone driver gets updated.

The real test though will be when the new iPhone and/or iPhone 3.0 software are released :/
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Alcatraz on 2009-03-16 03:30:45
Mine can't work after reinstalled the Apple Mobile Device Support
Apple Mobile Device Support means the MobileDeviceSign library or sth else ??
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-16 07:47:34
Have a look at the link I posted?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Crossbar on 2009-03-20 13:10:04
Hi, how can I rename a smart playlist on foobar with this component? Thank you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: foolver on 2009-03-20 17:22:38
big thanks for all the users who helped me before, and i hope this one would be my last question...

which one (of all the plugins) is the best to use when it comes to lyrics (viewable on iPod, of course)?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-22 00:17:26
Hi, how can I rename a smart playlist on foobar with this component? Thank you.
Unfortunately, it's not possible at the moment.. (You could of course temporarily use iTunes to do that).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-03-22 09:19:23
hmm.. I have problem with lyrics.
First, my Touch 2.2.1 (jailbroken) show`d them right from the %UNSYNCED LYRICS% tag, but when I cleaned this with foobar aka deleted all music from there with foobar and started adding new music, it shows this weird b-like icon in there when trying to view lyrics on ipod :s
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-22 09:42:49
Maybe you had ID3v2 compatibility mode enabled before, I don't know.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-03-22 12:05:08
Didn`t make a diffrence. Well, I guess I`ll go without lyrics then
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-22 12:26:02
Did you remember to retag your files after changing the option?

Anyway it's only related the ID3v2 tag itself since that's where the iPod reads the lyrics from.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-03-22 13:01:46
Did you remember to retag your files after changing the option?

Anyway it's only related the ID3v2 tag itself since that's where the iPod reads the lyrics from.


Yup I retagged them, but still no effect
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jaycob on 2009-03-22 13:38:08
I would really love to use this, but iTunes is still the only program that also submits the plays on my iPod to Last.fm (through the Last.fm client, though).
Could you add this feature for this manager too?
Last.fm has an own API, which is really simple to use, and using the API you wouldn't even have to submit plays through the Last.fm client.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: eradumvelhinho on 2009-03-22 14:05:30
I would really love to use this, but iTunes is still the only program that also submits the plays on my iPod to Last.fm (through the Last.fm client, though).
Could you add this feature for this manager too?
Last.fm has an own API, which is really simple to use, and using the API you wouldn't even have to submit plays through the Last.fm client.


This component already does that (with the component foo_audioscrobbler. Just chose the option in the preferences of this component). Connect ipod, rewrite database and done.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jaycob on 2009-03-22 15:30:08
Great!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-03-22 17:07:32
Did you remember to retag your files after changing the option?

Anyway it's only related the ID3v2 tag itself since that's where the iPod reads the lyrics from.


Yup I retagged them, but still no effect



It is sure something in my mp3 files since I got some new music and tagged lyrics to them with lyricsgrabber to %unsynced lyrics% tag they worked.
Now I just gotta figure what it is. I got mp3-tagtypes on id3v1 and in v2 if that matters.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jaycob on 2009-03-22 17:36:33
I would really love to use this, but iTunes is still the only program that also submits the plays on my iPod to Last.fm (through the Last.fm client, though).
Could you add this feature for this manager too?
Last.fm has an own API, which is really simple to use, and using the API you wouldn't even have to submit plays through the Last.fm client.


Just chose the option in the preferences of this component.

Where can I get to these preferences?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: eradumvelhinho on 2009-03-22 17:44:07
File-->preferences--Tools--Audioscrobbler and then check the option "import played tracks...". You can see in the console how many tracks the component imported.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jaycob on 2009-03-22 17:47:42
I dont have Audioscrobbler in my tools:
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/482477/noas.png (http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/482477/noas.png)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-03-22 17:56:43
Then go and download it...
Type in search audioscrobbler and you`ll find it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jaycob on 2009-03-22 17:59:41
I have it installed (all my plays on foobar go to lastfm). I'll try to reinstall it then.

I have foo_audioscrobbler 2.3.1 currently.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jaycob on 2009-03-22 18:10:47
The older version with the settings doesn't support "playing now"- data.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2009-03-22 18:28:15
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=44320 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=44320) is what you want.  That's the most recent version.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2009-03-22 18:42:42
The older version with the settings doesn't support "playing now"- data.

I beg to differ - I'm using version 1.3.16 of Florian's plugin and as you can see (http://www.last.fm/user/KurtPruenner) it reports "listening now" just fine; it even reports foobar 0.9 as the player!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jaycob on 2009-03-23 14:10:35
Ok, sorry my bad.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-03-25 13:00:07
musicmusic

Just wondering where you are with some of the items on the requests list, mainly...Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: blonde on 2009-03-25 15:15:41
I have been looking forward to using this (by all accounts) excellent component -- I just purchased a 4th gen nano and am very thankful that I won't have to install or use iTunes.
Thanks, musicmusic for all your efforts!!

I have some questions:
- Is is possible to change the "name" that is assigned to the device, after it is first sync'ed?
(I expect I could do this within iTunes, but would prefer any solution that does not involve installing Apple's software.)

- Can this component be used to sync with more than one iPod?

- It appears from what I've read here that foo_dop will also sync video.  Does anyone know of a way to sync other info with the device? contacts? photos?


Thanks!


Edit: spelling.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-28 19:20:37
  • More playlist management features.
What are you looking for specifically?

  • Integration with, or allow Foobar's media library to scan the iPod library (on iPhone/Touch)
Well, the first problem is that you can't add the path to the media library in the first place. The second is the lack of file modified dates and change notifications, to some extent I could simulate those though.

- Is is possible to change the "name" that is assigned to the device, after it is first sync'ed?
(I expect I could do this within iTunes, but would prefer any solution that does not involve installing Apple's software.)
Unfortunately you need to use iTunes for this currently.

- Can this component be used to sync with more than one iPod?
I don't see why not. Unless you mean physically connecting them both to your computer simultaneously, in which case the commands will operate on one of them.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Northpack on 2009-03-28 20:51:12
Since my iPod crashed during file transfer, I get the following error message every time I try to access the iPod:

Quote
Error reading metadata cache: Unsupported format or corrupted file


Any solution?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-28 21:40:13
Delete the metadata_cache.fpl file in the root folder on your iPod to overcome that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Northpack on 2009-03-28 21:45:38
That did it. Thanks for the quick solution!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2009-03-29 02:33:08
I think I found a bug.  I have Phrenology by The Roots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology_(album) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology_(album))).  It has 2 [Untitled] tracks back to back which are silent (tracks 15 and 16).  When I loaded the album the first time, all 18 tracks were copied just fine onto my iPod.  However, the next time I synched it, foo_dop was telling me I should remove one of these tracks (I couldn't tell because they both have the same track title).  Now, on my iPod, the album has only 17 tracks because foo_dop removed one of the [Untitled] tracks.  Is this a bug on my end, or is this a bug in the plugin?  By the way, I'm using foobar 0.9.6.3 with 0.6.3.9 foo_dop.
The component uses the modified date, filesize, artist, title and album to identify each track. Cleary you have some odd case where those are all equal for those two files. If you are going to keep blank album tracks on your computer, I think it's probably a good idea to give them different titles. I'll think about including tracknumber etc. in it, though.


I was thinking a little bit more about this problem, and adding tracknumber is very close to the answer, but it wouldn't necessarily fix all problems.  There's an odd edge case involving multiple discs and tracks with the same name and size across these discs.  It's obscure, but in order to totally ensure that no conflicts will happen, you'd need to check the modified date, filesize, artist, album, discnumber, tracknumber, and title in order to completely guarantee no conflicts.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jaycob on 2009-03-29 06:41:28
Why can't dop calculate gapless data for some files? It tells me that some files aren't on the iPod, but they are.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-03-29 10:05:26
  • More playlist management features.
What are you looking for specifically?


It would be handy if I could create playlist on the fly, and drag and drop the songs I want, I have created playlist in foobar and synced them, but if I remove them from foobar, they get removed from my iPod when running a full sync

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-03-29 10:27:10
Why can't dop calculate gapless data for some files? It tells me that some files aren't on the iPod, but they are.
If you mean the command, do a load library and run the command on the results.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bl@ck_warrior on 2009-04-01 19:11:03
There seems to have some problems when sorting albums:

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Using foo_dop 0.6.4.1 and ipod touch 2G
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: blonde on 2009-04-01 21:08:26
- Is is possible to change the "name" that is assigned to the device, after it is first sync'ed?
(I expect I could do this within iTunes, but would prefer any solution that does not involve installing Apple's software.)
Unfortunately you need to use iTunes for this currently.

- Can this component be used to sync with more than one iPod?
I don't see why not. Unless you mean physically connecting them both to your computer simultaneously, in which case the commands will operate on one of them.


Thanks for your replies!!


And thanks again for this great component!!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: duckwilliamson on 2009-04-02 01:21:12
Where is the "rewrite database" command to sync up the play count (I'm using a 1gb ipod shuffle if that matters)?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: eradumvelhinho on 2009-04-02 10:30:10
Where is the "rewrite database" command to sync up the play count (I'm using a 1gb ipod shuffle if that matters)?


File --> iPod --> Rewrite Database
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-04-02 11:35:04
When I go to view songs on my Touch (1st gen, jailbroken, latest firmware) and go to V or W they are messed up.
First you can see V, okay. then W, okay, but when I scroll down the list I see V again and W again and again.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2009-04-02 12:11:02
Thanks for this great software!  Finally I don´t have to use itunes to sync my ipod. Two questions:
1.: Is it possible to sort the albums of an artist by %date% on my ipod instead of the alphabetical order?
2.: When I have a compilation named "A" and there are solo-albums on my ipod of one artist also residing on this compilation, I have a album "A" under this artist containing only the songs from this artist on compilation "A". (Is this comprehensible?  ) Can I avoid this somehow?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aereogramme on 2009-04-02 19:23:51
Hey musicmusic

awesome component!  i am just having some trouble with the lyrics.  are you only suppose to have ID3v2 active or all 3 of the selections (ID3v1, ID3v2, and APEv2?  I did all the UNSYNCED LYRICS stuff and I just can't get it working.  I have an 80GB iPod Classic.  Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dremora on 2009-04-02 19:50:35
Thanks for this great software!  Finally I don´t have to use itunes to sync my ipod. Two questions:
1.: Is it possible to sort the albums of an artist by %date% on my ipod instead of the alphabetical order?
2.: When I have a compilation named "A" and there are solo-albums on my ipod of one artist also residing on this compilation, I have a album "A" under this artist containing only the songs from this artist on compilation "A". (Is this comprehensible?  ) Can I avoid this somehow?

1. Currently modifying Album Sort tag on iPod is impossible, but you can just change Album tag mapping: Tools » iPod Manager » Database, and set Album value to "[%date% - ]%album%".
2. In the same place set Compilation value to "$if($meta(album artist),1,)" (assuming Album Artist tag is present in your compilation).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-04-03 18:04:41
musicmusic, I am back again with my lyrics problem 
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3228/imag0038s.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3228/imag0038s.jpg)

^that is the icon it shows on every file when trying to view lyrics except one`s I got after I reported my problem, they are showing lyrics just fine.
So it is something on my tags, must be. Lyrics are on %unsynced lyrics%, I can`t figure what`s the problem + I haven`t got any of my new files to show that icon.. :I
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-04-03 18:36:23
It may be something to do with the layout of the tag then. Some frame it doesn't like [before the lyrics frame], large embedded image, multiple ID3v2 tags , who knows.

You will either have to experiment a bit, or if you send me a file I'll have a look if there's anything obvious to me.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-04-03 19:26:08
musicmusic, I copied my file which showed that icon and removed all tags and added UNSYNCED LYRICS field and pasted lyrics from original in there and it started to work. Now I need to figure out how to do this without deleting every tag =D I could send you a mp3 file if you want or have a hunch what might be wrong.

edit: second time I just deleted unsynced lyrics field and added it again and then pasted lyrics and it works in ipod. I just delete and add them again, easy and quick ^^
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-04-03 22:59:28
There seems to have some problems when sorting albums:
[...]
Using foo_dop 0.6.4.1 and ipod touch 2G
Sorry, was reported before also. I'll try a fix in next version, thanks.

When I go to view songs on my Touch (1st gen, jailbroken, latest firmware) and go to V or W they are messed up.
First you can see V, okay. then W, okay, but when I scroll down the list I see V again and W again and again.
There must be something about the song titles that is tripping it up - what is the title of the first W entry and the first V entry (in the second V list). Or just take some screenshots which I think also works on the iPod touch.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: SevereIdea on 2009-04-04 15:04:24
Sorry for the double post!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: SevereIdea on 2009-04-04 15:15:38
musicmusic,  first let me say that this component is awesome and is totally essential for me.  Many thanks for developing it! 

Currently I have version 0.6.2.6 and am trying to find the latest version, but all links I have found point to a page that isn't there anymore (or at least I can't seem to get to it). Would someone please point me in the right direction as I would really like the upgrade.

Thanks in advance!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-04-04 17:33:32
@SevereIdea: http://yuo.be/ipod.php (http://yuo.be/ipod.php), Scroll down to the "Downloads" section.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-04-11 13:49:51
Version 0.6.4.2 released.

About the 3G Shuffle
It uses a new database file format of which I need to work out the all the details of before I can add support. I need the following things to help add support:
-A device instance path of one. This would be printed in the foobar2000 console when connecting one.
-The XML Property List of one. This can be obtained by Holding Shift and clicking File/iPod/Raw property list.
-Example database files (archive the iPod_Control\iTunes folder).

They should probably be sent privately (PM/e-mail..)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2009-04-16 06:53:13
According to http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:changelog (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:changelog) I see that you fixed the track number/disc number bug.  I just tried it out, and it correctly added the song I was missing.  Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: unabatedshagie on 2009-04-17 18:31:36
This is going to sound like a silly question but how do I use this properly?

I'm using it for my iPhone and I still use iTunes to sync podcasts and applications to it.

I only want to manager my music with this and sync playback stats back to foobar from the iPhone.

So whats the best way of doing this? I know that Load Library loads whatever is on the device, what does Rewrite Database do? Does Synchronise remove podcasts and audobooks from the device?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Crossbar on 2009-04-18 14:47:39
Can I send photos to my iPod with this component? I just tried and it didn't work, but really hope it can support photos in the future as I've long abandoned iTunes since I found this great tool.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: intjk on 2009-04-18 20:25:26
After installing foo_dop (0.6.4.1) on foobar2000 (0.9.6.4) using an 80GB iPod Classic (6G), Songs are no longer sent to my "Recently Played" playlist on the iPod, and therefore are not seen by foo_audioscrobbler (1.3.16) so they remain unscrobbled. How can I fix this, either by fixing the playlist or through some alternative method?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-04-18 21:09:01
Can I send photos to my iPod with this component?
Nope, it's not possible.

After installing foo_dop (0.6.4.1) on foobar2000 (0.9.6.4) using an 80GB iPod Classic (6G), Songs are no longer sent to my "Recently Played" playlist on the iPod, and therefore are not seen by foo_audioscrobbler (1.3.16) so they remain unscrobbled. How can I fix this, either by fixing the playlist or through some alternative method?
Now when you synchronise, it includes play counts / times. Either you do not have the latest version of the official playback statistics component, you are using a 3rd party playback statistics component, or your files have static playback metadata which never updates. If you are using a playback stats component, updating to the latest official playback statistics that should sort that out. If you have it already, and have it set to update stats to files, try foo_dop 0.6.4.2.

None of this should directly have anything to do with foo_audioscrobbler scrobbling your iPod plays, are you sure that's not working? I think it should display some messages in the console when it does so.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2009-04-19 13:46:19
I'm using it for my iPhone and I still use iTunes to sync podcasts and applications to it.
I only want to manager my music with this and sync playback stats back to foobar from the iPhone.
So whats the best way of doing this? I know that Load Library loads whatever is on the device, what does Rewrite Database do? Does Synchronise remove podcasts and audobooks from the device?

I do the same thing: synching podcasts (i have no audio books) whith Itunes and music whith foo_pod. I deactivated in itunes the synchronisation of music  and automatic synchronisation when ipod is plugged in to prevent foobar and itunes simultaneously writing to my Ipod (but perhaps this would't cause any problems - didn't try). I activated "set dummy gapless data..." in foo_pod settings to prevent itunes from touching my files. This works flawless for me.

I would be interested too in when I have to do a "load library" and then "update metadata" or when a "rewrite database" is sufficient. What exactly is the difference between those functions? When I change my mp3-tags in foobar a "rewrite database" nor a "update metadata" won't change them on my Ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2009-04-19 14:41:55

1.: Is it possible to sort the albums of an artist by %date% on my ipod instead of the alphabetical order?
2.: When I have a compilation named "A" and there are solo-albums on my ipod of one artist also residing on this compilation, I have a album "A" under this artist containing only the songs from this artist on compilation "A". (Is this comprehensible?  ) Can I avoid this somehow?

1. Currently modifying Album Sort tag on iPod is impossible, but you can just change Album tag mapping: Tools » iPod Manager » Database, and set Album value to "[%date% - ]%album%".
2. In the same place set Compilation value to "$if($meta(album artist),1,)" (assuming Album Artist tag is present in your compilation).

Thanks for your answer I'm a little bit late whith mine 
1. Great! Even better than just sorting albums chronologically! 
2. This didn´t work for me. Problem persists.  I would like to have:
Artist-field: The artist of the individual track
Album-Artist: Various Artists
Album-Title: Title of the compilation

This works in foobar (i use sorting:%date% - %path_sort% - %artist% - %album% - %discnumber% - %tracknumber%), but not on my Ipod as long as I have still another solo-album of one Artist residing on this compilation. Then I have above mentioned problem. Artists on this compilation of which I don't have another solo-album won´t appear as a solo-album titled whith the name of the compilation on my ipod - just the way I want it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-04-19 15:32:44
Does Synchronise remove podcasts and audobooks from the device?
It will remove the audiobooks, but not the podcasts. However, last time I heard was that there is an issue when used on iPhone/iPod touches only where the podcasts would all be reset as 'new' afterwards.

I would be interested too in when I have to do a "load library" and then "update metadata" or when a "rewrite database" is sufficient. What exactly is the difference between those functions? When I change my mp3-tags in foobar a "rewrite database" nor a "update metadata" won't change them on my Ipod.
Rewrite database - it's just a way of making the component "touch" the iPod (loads the database, does some maintenance things, and writes it again). You would use it after changing the settings in preferences that mention it, to flush recent plays from the device (e.g. for foo_audioscrobbler) (and even to fix the hash/signature in the database after external/manual editing).

Update metadata is for when you change the remapping settings in preferences, or change the tags of the files directly on the iPod (not on your computer). You need to use it on files on the iPod (i.e. from 'Load library').
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Maxoo on 2009-04-19 18:11:49
Hi,

I would like to know if I can embed subtitles for my video files (.mp4) with Foobar (a %subtitle% tag ?).
If not, does anybody knows any other software ? I would like them to be soft subtitles (that you can turn on or off).

Thanks by advance,
Maxoo.

[EDIT]
I found that (http://blog.philgin.com/2009/01/how-to-addembed-soft-subtitles-srt-to-mp4-m4v-movies-for-apple-tv-iphone-using-windows/) but doing it with foobar would be faster and easier.

[EDIT2]
BTW if anyone knows how to use MP4TE (http://www.bomijoa.com/?document_srl=845&mid=public_blog&cpage=1#comment), which is basically a program that put .srt into .mp4, help is welcome.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: intjk on 2009-04-19 22:29:07
Can I send photos to my iPod with this component?
Nope, it's not possible.

After installing foo_dop (0.6.4.1) on foobar2000 (0.9.6.4) using an 80GB iPod Classic (6G), Songs are no longer sent to my "Recently Played" playlist on the iPod, and therefore are not seen by foo_audioscrobbler (1.3.16) so they remain unscrobbled. How can I fix this, either by fixing the playlist or through some alternative method?
Now when you synchronise, it includes play counts / times. Either you do not have the latest version of the official playback statistics component, you are using a 3rd party playback statistics component, or your files have static playback metadata which never updates. If you are using a playback stats component, updating to the latest official playback statistics that should sort that out. If you have it already, and have it set to update stats to files, try foo_dop 0.6.4.2.

None of this should directly have anything to do with foo_audioscrobbler scrobbling your iPod plays, are you sure that's not working? I think it should display some messages in the console when it does so.

I did not have the official playback statistics component installed. I just installed it and the audioscrobbler component picked up the songs I played, but when I try to eject the iPod now it says "Failed to eject the iPod. Close any applications using the device and try again." I researched this and you said in a previous post that it may be reading the new metadata. So my guess is that it is reading the new playback metadata and will have that metadata cached from here on out. I'll get back to you if the problem persists. I appreciate your help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: intjk on 2009-04-19 23:17:41
Can I send photos to my iPod with this component?
Nope, it's not possible.

After installing foo_dop (0.6.4.1) on foobar2000 (0.9.6.4) using an 80GB iPod Classic (6G), Songs are no longer sent to my "Recently Played" playlist on the iPod, and therefore are not seen by foo_audioscrobbler (1.3.16) so they remain unscrobbled. How can I fix this, either by fixing the playlist or through some alternative method?
Now when you synchronise, it includes play counts / times. Either you do not have the latest version of the official playback statistics component, you are using a 3rd party playback statistics component, or your files have static playback metadata which never updates. If you are using a playback stats component, updating to the latest official playback statistics that should sort that out. If you have it already, and have it set to update stats to files, try foo_dop 0.6.4.2.

None of this should directly have anything to do with foo_audioscrobbler scrobbling your iPod plays, are you sure that's not working? I think it should display some messages in the console when it does so.

I did not have the official playback statistics component installed. I just installed it and the audioscrobbler component picked up the songs I played, but when I try to eject the iPod now it says "Failed to eject the iPod. Close any applications using the device and try again." I researched this and you said in a previous post that it may be reading the new metadata. So my guess is that it is reading the new playback metadata and will have that metadata cached from here on out. I'll get back to you if the problem persists. I appreciate your help.

Alright, everything is working as it should. But is there any way to make the whole process smoother? Right now, after I plug in my iPod, I have to go to File>iPod>Synchronize... Go through that menu, then open up the preferences, navigate to the audioscrobbler section and click submit. Is there any way so that the scrobbles are automatically sent the moment I plug in my iPod? I appologize if I appear somewhat demanding.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-04-19 23:46:02
[...]when I try to eject the iPod now it says "Failed to eject the iPod. Close any applications using the device and try again." I researched this and you said in a previous post that it may be reading the new metadata. So my guess is that it is reading the new playback metadata and will have that metadata cached from here on out. I'll get back to you if the problem persists. I appreciate your help.
Unfortunately it does mean that something is blocking the ejection of the iPod. Sometimes Windows logs what it was in the Event Log (it could just be an Explorer window). Or if this relates to the automatic eject after synchronise in the latest version, then it may be related to the component.

Alright, everything is working as it should. But is there any way to make the whole process smoother? Right now, after I plug in my iPod, I have to go to File>iPod>Synchronize... Go through that menu, then open up the preferences, navigate to the audioscrobbler section and click submit. Is there any way so that the scrobbles are automatically sent the moment I plug in my iPod? I appologize if I appear somewhat demanding.
If you only want to process the plays for scrobbling, you can use 'Rewrite database' instead which is quicker, but it is a manual and not automatic process at the moment. You could add the command to your toolbar though to make accessing it a bit easier. With regards to the foo_audioscrobbler side of things (it caching them only), that is controlled by foo_audioscrobbler I'm afraid.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: intjk on 2009-04-20 00:19:42
[...]when I try to eject the iPod now it says "Failed to eject the iPod. Close any applications using the device and try again." I researched this and you said in a previous post that it may be reading the new metadata. So my guess is that it is reading the new playback metadata and will have that metadata cached from here on out. I'll get back to you if the problem persists. I appreciate your help.
Unfortunately it does mean that something is blocking the ejection of the iPod. Sometimes Windows logs what it was in the Event Log (it could just be an Explorer window). Or if this relates to the automatic eject after synchronise in the latest version, then it may be related to the component.

Alright, everything is working as it should. But is there any way to make the whole process smoother? Right now, after I plug in my iPod, I have to go to File>iPod>Synchronize... Go through that menu, then open up the preferences, navigate to the audioscrobbler section and click submit. Is there any way so that the scrobbles are automatically sent the moment I plug in my iPod? I appologize if I appear somewhat demanding.
If you only want to process the plays for scrobbling, you can use 'Rewrite database' instead which is quicker, but it is a manual and not automatic process at the moment. You could add the command to your toolbar though to make accessing it a bit easier. With regards to the foo_audioscrobbler side of things (it caching them only), that is controlled by foo_audioscrobbler I'm afraid.

Alright, thanks for the help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Mr. Rogers on 2009-04-21 08:31:16
I like your component very much. But I'm missing a Podcast feature (guess they asked already many times here).
At least, it doesn't need to download all the podcasts but the option to "mark" files as podcast and move them on the iPod would be fine
cheers
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sthag on 2009-05-03 19:49:38
Greetings

I've got a little problem with my ipod touch 1G 8GB. I'm using foobar 0.9.6.5 beta 2 with foo_dop 0.6.4.2 at the moment.

I can not delete the music on the ipod nor can I do anything else with it but playing it.
I always get the following error:

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Failed to remove file: I/O Error: AFCRemovePath returned: 10 Path was: /iTunes_Control/Music/F73/Ween - .mp3


It all started with iTunes showing 4GB of miscellaneous stuff. I didn't know what it was but found out that it came from the music files stored with foo_dop.
I tried to remove the files manually with iPodBrowser but then realised that the space was still occupied. So I returned everything from the backup I made. I know that this wasn't the best idea & maybe is the cause for my problem. But I don't know what to do against it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-05-03 20:07:20
If that's the path it displayed, the problem seems to be there is a slash missing in it. That path must have ended up in the database somehow. Have you used any other iPod managers at all?

Or was it just a typo?

'Recover orphaned files' may get the working files back into your database, but it won't help with the dead ones.

Is there something preventing you from just restoring your iPod completely?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sthag on 2009-05-04 13:13:23
Sorry, the slash was just a typo.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-05-04 13:49:36
It's a weird error code because it doesn't mean "File/path not found" but rather "Incorrect function/invalid data". I wonder if that means the problem it is at a lower-level (i.e. filesystem).

Does that particular file definitely exist? If you go through 'Load library' can you play that file in its entirety? Have you tried removing that file through iTunes?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-05-04 17:34:00
"Failed to remove file: I/O Error: AFCRemovePath returned: 10 Path was: /iTunes_Control/Music/F73/Ween - .mp3"

^ I had same problem, didn`t go away if I am remember correct, but when I was tweaking foobar and re-installed it and foo_dop it started to work. I don`t guarantee if it works for you, but it did trick for me.

ipod touch 1g 8gb + latest foobar n foo_dop.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Alexander Ostuni on 2009-05-11 09:09:06
Hi,

I am using this iPod manager now for quite a while and love it.
I just have bought a new iPod and fully loaded it. Shortly afterward I noticed that I would have been able to send the folder.jpgs, too.
Is there a way to add these folder.jpg without sending the whole 150 GB Musicdata again to the iPod ?

Cheers
Alex
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-05-11 14:30:47
First off, I want to express my thanks to musicmusic for the work he does. This is by far my favorite method of using my ipod.

Secondly, I would like to ask a quick question. When synchronizing my iPod the first window that comes up (Synchronise iPod). Is it possible to make this window larger? It seems to be a fixed size. It would be nice for it to be sizeable and remember this size as well. The only reason is quite trival but, my playlists outnumber the space provided and I ushally end up syncing a checked playlist at the end of the list which is out of site unless scrolled to the end.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2009-05-11 14:52:36
I'd like to add a question to this: Is it possible to just press F9, then a defined playlist will be synched and no error-messages (non-supported file-formats)will be shown?

Other Question: All my albums converted during synchronization will be shown under compilations - although they aren't. How can I avoid this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-05-11 23:11:39
I am using this iPod manager now for quite a while and love it.
I just have bought a new iPod and fully loaded it. Shortly afterward I noticed that I would have been able to send the folder.jpgs, too.
Is there a way to add these folder.jpg without sending the whole 150 GB Musicdata again to the iPod ?
Use 'Load library', then on the loaded tracks run 'Update metadata on iPod'.

First off, I want to express my thanks to musicmusic for the work he does. This is by far my favorite method of using my ipod.
Welcome.

Secondly, I would like to ask a quick question. When synchronizing my iPod the first window that comes up (Synchronise iPod). Is it possible to make this window larger? It seems to be a fixed size. It would be nice for it to be sizeable and remember this size as well. The only reason is quite trival but, my playlists outnumber the space provided and I ushally end up syncing a checked playlist at the end of the list which is out of site unless scrolled to the end.
Fair enough, it might be more useful if it tried to size itself to show all playlists instead of just remembering the last size, I'll note it..

I'd like to add a question to this: Is it possible to just press F9, then a defined playlist will be synched and no error-messages (non-supported file-formats)will be shown?
Why don't you want error/warning messages, they are shown once the operation is complete?  Or do you mean general prompts before that?

Other Question: All my albums converted during synchronization will be shown under compilations - although they aren't. How can I avoid this?
It shouldn't have anything to do if they are converted or not. Usually it's determined by the mapping in preferences.
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Post by: Alexander Ostuni on 2009-05-12 07:02:04
Thanky you very much
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Post by: dag0 on 2009-05-12 09:08:20
@musicmusic: I just would like to press f9 (or even just plug in my ipod) and my Ipod is synced with my predefined playlist,  as I am always syncing the same playlist (whole library). And I would apreciate not to see the same error-messages every time I sync my ipod. I have files in my library which can't be synced (mp3+cue-sheet) and I get every time the same error-messages. In Itunes I can choose not to display these error-mesages for the same files the next times. Not a really serious issue, but I thought I perhaps might have missed an existing option in the configuration?
[Converted files apperar as compilation] This really should't have to do anything whith each other, but it seems to be the case! All my converted albums (from flac, wma, musepack) exept my only ogg-compressed album do appear on my Ipod  under "compilations" in my main menu! 





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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-05-12 23:16:14
@musicmusic: I just would like to press f9 (or even just plug in my ipod) and my Ipod is synced with my predefined playlist,  as I am always syncing the same playlist (whole library).
You'd need to use some kind of scripting to run the context-menu command on the playlist's tracks, that is the best there is currently I'm afraid.

And I would apreciate not to see the same error-messages every time I sync my ipod. I have files in my library which can't be synced (mp3+cue-sheet) and I get every time the same error-messages. In Itunes I can choose not to display these error-mesages for the same files the next times. Not a really serious issue, but I thought I perhaps might have missed an existing option in the configuration?
Well, the warning messages don't delay anything. Maybe you could create an autoplaylist that excludes those files. I understand that you basically want something automated and seamless, but the truth is that this component is quite manual. Maybe that will change at some point, I don't know.

[Converted files apperar as compilation] This really should't have to do anything whith each other, but it seems to be the case! All my converted albums (from flac, wma, musepack) exept my only ogg-compressed album do appear on my Ipod  under "compilations" in my main menu! 
Are you sure there is not some other link? As if it doesn't affect your Ogg Vorbis album, then it points to there being some other factor. Have you checked their metadata against the mapping in preferences, do they all have subsongs/chapters maybe, have you tried using update metadata on them or removing & resending them, ...

Also what is your compilation mapping in preferences, have you modified it at all? It may be relevant to note that the standard path fields should not be used there.
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Post by: dag0 on 2009-05-13 11:16:49
[Converted files apperar as compilation] This really should't have to do anything whith each other, but it seems to be the case! All my converted albums (from flac, wma, musepack) exept my only ogg-compressed album do appear on my Ipod  under "compilations" in my main menu! 
Are you sure there is not some other link? As if it doesn't affect your Ogg Vorbis album, then it points to there being some other factor. Have you checked their metadata against the mapping in preferences, do they all have subsongs/chapters maybe, have you tried using update metadata on them or removing & resending them, ...
Also what is your compilation mapping in preferences, have you modified it at all? It may be relevant to note that the standard path fields should not be used there.


Compilation-mapping: $if($meta(album artist),1,) (I think this is default?)

An example-mpc-track of an album appearing under "compilations" after conversion:

Artist Name : Al Jarreau
Track Title : Just To Be Loved
Album Title : Tomorrow Today
Date : 1999
Genre : Jazz
Composer :
Performer :
Album Artist : Al Jarreau
Track Number : 1
Total Tracks :
Disc Number :
Total Discs :
Comment :
<ENSEMBLE> : Al Jarreau
<PUBLISHER> : Grp (Universal)

Of course I deleted and resent the albums and did an "update metadata" on them.
I like (and want) the possibility of manually configuring things according to my preferences, but just to in the end automate regularly used functions according to my preferences. Now I press F9, choose playlist, press OK, press OK again at the errors-window. For me this could be done whith one button or even just by plugging in the ipod - once the software is configured to my needs. But this really is nothing that will let me change to itunes again 
For example: I use REACT to rip/compress/tag my cds. This is some work to configure everything to my needs - but I can configure everything you can think of. And afterwards I press one button choose the album cover and "hands off": I have mp3s, flac-image everything tagged and copied to the apropriate directory. That's the way I like it! 
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-05-13 13:16:45
Well the problem then is your mapping, that will flag up everything with an album artist field as a compilation.

The default mapping is: $if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,)
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Post by: dag0 on 2009-05-13 13:29:55
Well the problem then is your mapping, that will flag up everything with an album artist field as a compilation.
The default mapping is: $if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,)

Thanks, this works!  These strings are still cryptic for me...
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Post by: metalboy on 2009-05-13 14:54:01
Fair enough, it might be more useful if it tried to size itself to show all playlists instead of just remembering the last size, I'll note it..


Yeah that sounds good! I really was just asking if it was possible for me to do it rather than a request to make it happen. But thanks.
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Post by: vassie on 2009-05-14 20:28:07
musicmusic, Does foo_dop work on Windows 7 (RC)? I have a laptop (Windows 7) and a desktop (XP SP3) both with the same version of foobar2000, foo_dop, QuickTime and Apple Mobile Device Support, I have C:\Program Files\foobar2000\MobileDeviceSign.dll on both, and both have Mobile Device Support enabled, however, only the XP machine can see and copy music to my 2G iPod Touch, any help would be greatly appreciated as my laptop is my main machine
Thanks, Ben
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-05-14 20:37:54
Try the normal troubleshooting steps first (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphone_ipod_touch_is_not_detected) and also look in the foobar2000 console.
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Post by: vassie on 2009-05-14 20:47:32
Try the normal troubleshooting steps first (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphone_ipod_touch_is_not_detected) and also look in the foobar2000 console.


I have followed all the troubleshooting steps, here is the console log from my (working) XP machine...

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iPod manager: Connected to Apple Mobile Device (DID: 4, PID: 1293, UID: 75dc9312c2a03faeeaf1f840301f8923c6de774c)
iPod manager: USB AMD enumerator: Found USB\VID_05AC&PID_1293\75DC9312C2A03FAEEAF1F840301F8923C6DE774C
iPod manager: Apple Mobile Device: Detected DBVersion: 4
iPod manager: Apple iPod/iPhone connected. Device Instance Path: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1293\75DC9312C2A03FAEEAF1F840301F8923C6DE774C


and from my (non-working) Windows 7 machine...

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iPod manager: Apple Mobile Device: Mobile Device not paired. Trying to pair device...
iPod manager: Apple Mobile Device: Failed to pair device. Error 3892314113
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-05-14 21:22:52
For some reason, it can't pair. Not sure why..

Most likely installing and running iTunes once with the device connected should sort it.
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Post by: vassie on 2009-05-14 21:24:44
For some reason, it can't pair. Not sure why..

Most likely installing and running iTunes once with the device connected should sort it.


Thanks, I'll give that a try
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-05-14 22:12:52
Let me know if it works or if iTunes gives a similar error..
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Post by: vassie on 2009-05-17 14:14:31
Let me know if it works or if iTunes gives a similar error..


Installing iTunes fixed it

(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/359/clipboardimage.png)
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Post by: vassie on 2009-05-17 14:29:47
Let me know if it works or if iTunes gives a similar error..


Installing iTunes fixed it

(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/359/clipboardimage.png)


Just uninstalled iTunes and re-installed QuickTime and Apple Mobile Device Support, and everything is still working
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Post by: vassie on 2009-05-17 17:43:56
Let me know if it works or if iTunes gives a similar error..


Installing iTunes fixed it

(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/359/clipboardimage.png)


Just uninstalled iTunes and re-installed QuickTime and Apple Mobile Device Support, and everything is still working


Looks like it's a Windows 7 problem, tried it on another machine (same setup) and it too fails to pair the device
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Post by: Maxoo on 2009-05-17 18:37:01
+1

I have the same problem...
I installed Apple Mobile Device Support (iTunesSetup.exe -> 7zip) and quicktime.
Foobar says : No iPod found...
I am under Windows 7. Didn't try to install/uninstall iTunes.
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-05-17 23:04:57
Let me know if it works or if iTunes gives a similar error..
Installing iTunes fixed it
Just uninstalled iTunes and re-installed QuickTime and Apple Mobile Device Support, and everything is still working
Looks like it's a Windows 7 problem, tried it on another machine (same setup) and it too fails to pair the device
I'm not sure it is an issue under Windows 7 only, it seems more likely that pairing by foo_dop doesn't work with at least the latest Apple Mobile Device Support (and it's possible it never worked at all). I'm not sure why it doesn't work, but as you know it doesn't matter whether foo_dop or iTunes does the pairing, at least.

The other possibility is that the pairing by foo_dop does work after installing iTunes (but not using iTunes to do the pairing i.e. not connecting the iPhone/iPod touch whilst iTunes is running) ?
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Post by: metal_termite on 2009-05-18 17:28:35
Can I use this plugin to manually add songs to my iPod while still using iTunes to automatically sync my podcasts?
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Post by: Xezzy on 2009-05-18 23:36:12
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Can I use this plugin to manually add songs to my iPod while still using iTunes to automatically sync my podcasts?


Afaik yes, but you should try it yourself  Sync only podcasts on itunes, then add songs to ipod using "send to ipod", but you wont be able to "sync" music with foobar then.
Anyway, I'm using foo_podcatcher and im very happy with it. Now i dont use itunes at all (since foo_dop can sync plaback statistics back and forth, including rating). With podcatcher you can download all podcasts to specific folder, then create autoplaylist pointing to that folder and sync the playlist with iPod. I guess you cant throw those podcasts under "podcasts" menu in ipod, but you will get them as playlist or whatever you describe using field mapping in foo_dop settings.
Beare in mind that foo_podcatcher is in alpha state and has few flaws.
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Post by: dag0 on 2009-05-19 00:00:13
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Can I use this plugin to manually add songs to my iPod while still using iTunes to automatically sync my podcasts?

Afaik yes, but you should try it yourself  Sync only podcasts on itunes, then add songs to ipod using "send to ipod", but you wont be able to "sync" music with foobar then.


Of course! I deactivated the sync of music in itunes and now sync my music whith foobar and my podcasts from the itunes-store whith itunes!
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Post by: myvision on 2009-05-19 19:14:03
Sorry if this has been asked before, but is there a way to scrobble multiple plays of a song played on my iPod?
I heard a song several times but it only appeared once in my 'recently played' or is this technically impossible?

Thank you!
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-05-19 19:43:01
The iPod will only record the last played time, and not the time of each individual play. Hence I understand only the most recent play would be scrobbled.
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Post by: myvision on 2009-05-19 20:06:44
Okay, that's what I had in mind. So is there a possibility to create 'fake time stamps' for the plays before the last played. Because for me it is not important when I listened to the song exactly, but the amount.
And it would be much more comfortable if you could here a few days the same songs / albums and then scrobble them.
Do you think this is possible without modifying the firmware of the iPod?
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-05-23 15:26:45
Version 0.6.4.3 released, details in the change log.

This now tracks artwork using hashes, and adds an 'Update artwork' shortcut menu command to copy changed or added artwork. The first time you use this command on existing tracks sent by an older version of foo_dop it will be slightly slow (because it will recopy the artwork).
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Post by: kwanbis on 2009-05-23 20:27:30
Version 0.6.4.3 released, details in the change log.

This now tracks artwork using hashes, and adds an 'Update artwork' shortcut menu command to copy changed or added artwork. The first time you use this command on existing tracks sent by an older version of foo_dop it will be slightly slow (because it will recopy the artwork).

I only see:
Download    Version    Notes
iPod manager    0.6.4.4    Experimental
iPod manager    0.6.4.2    
iPod manager    0.6.4.1    
iPod manager    0.6.4.0
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Post by: novembre on 2009-05-23 23:21:12
Obviously 0.6.4.4 is newer. And if you see the cahngelog, you'll see that 0.6.4.4 is due to a small bugfix
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Post by: kwanbis on 2009-05-24 01:53:57
I assumed 0.6.4.3 was released as stable, and 0.6.4.4 was experimental, besides, 0.6.4.3 is the only one missing on the list.
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Post by: _monster on 2009-05-24 08:23:26
Hello, I have been using Foobar for about 2 years now and I've also been using foo_dop.dll, but just recently when i try to transfer songs to my iPod it says"Parameter Incorrect" When it is trying to write the iPodDB, so I installed iTunes again and restored it with the new firmware and tried it again and it still gives  me the same error. Itunes will send songs to my ipod but Foobar wont, so i'm stumped, I have a 80GB iPod Classic with firmware 1.1.2, does anyone know any solutions to get foo_dop to work again for my pod?
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-05-24 11:37:13
Unfortunately, it may well be a problem with the iPod's hard drive.

Try running chkdsk on it. Also, running Process Monitor (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx) whilst trying to use foo_dop may help find what file operation is failing (filter it to foobar2000.exe only).
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Post by: Maxoo on 2009-05-25 08:44:27
Hi musicmusic,

I have a sync problem, I think it may be due to my iPhone's firmware : 3.0b5. foo_dop sends my songs as usual, but it won't show in my iPod library. I must sync with iTunes (regular sync : Calendar, Contacts... no music) to make them appear.

Any idea ?
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-05-25 10:21:40
Yes: Apple have "changed" something.

After using foo_dop, does just opening and closing iTunes sort it?

If so can you backup the iTunesDB file straight after using foo_dop, and again after opening & closing iTunes (and send those to me). You can back it up by holding Shift, clicking on File and going to the relevant option.

[edit] Eugh, there's something about an SQLite database mentioned in the firmware. Are you able to have a browse around the files on your iPhone? A backup of the iTunes_Control\iTunes folder would also be handy..
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Post by: Maxoo on 2009-05-25 18:39:25
I can browse my iPhone

So you need 3 files ?
- Backup with some songs ok, some not
- Backup with all songs ok
- Backup of iTunes_control\iTunes

I'll send you them by mail.
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-05-25 20:32:27
Thanks for those

But.. indeed we now have an SQLite database. It's relational, at that, too.

Unfortunately, as you can imagine SQLite is not currently used in the component, nor am I particularly familiar with it. So I don't know, but it's certainly no overnight fix.
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Post by: Maxoo on 2009-05-25 21:04:46
I still can have my song with artwork/lyrics by foo_dop
Launching iTunes is annoying, but not as if I had to sync songs with it
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Post by: laowai on 2009-05-27 00:03:07
I would like to report a bug that I have found when trying to do a mass update of album art on my ipod. The artwork was not updated for albums that contain "and" in it, for example "B-Sides and Rarities"  or "Love, War and The Ghost of Whitey Ford".
 
  The problem can be easily reproduced: create an album with "and" on ipod in it and try to update the album art.

  Sorry if it's been posted before, I have no time to read the whole thread.
  Thanks a lot for a good work!!!!!

PS May be I was wrong about "and", because changing the album to "Love, War n The Ghost of Whitey Ford" does not  help either and also using an artwork from a different album(shown ok on ipod for that album) does not help    .
Just in case I use 5.5g 80Gb ipod and either VBR MP3 encoded by lame 3.97 or ALAC encoded by ffmpeg (both types have a problem). Fb2k v. 0.6.9.5 and foo_dop 0.6.4.4
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-05-30 00:03:42
If it did not work in older versions either, I would check the two points under 'general notes' here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:ipod_features#general_notes).
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Post by: willardjuice on 2009-06-04 05:23:47
Just a quick question, is there anyway to install the ipod service without installing itunes?  Thanks!
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-04 08:44:35
iPod Service? No. Or do you mean Apple Mobile Device Support?
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Post by: willardjuice on 2009-06-04 16:35:30
iPod Service? No. Or do you mean Apple Mobile Device Support?


Whichever is required for foo_dop to work (I guess it's not the ipod service  ).
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Post by: Maxoo on 2009-06-04 19:26:52
Download the iTunes installer, then open it with 7zip (or others). Extract the Apple Mobile Devices Support.msi and run it. You're done
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Post by: willardjuice on 2009-06-04 20:36:44
Download the iTunes installer, then open it with 7zip (or others). Extract the Apple Mobile Devices Support.msi and run it. You're done


Yeah I just figured that out.    But alas, still doesn't work (maybe it's a Windows 7 thing).  I guess I'll install itunes later. 
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Post by: vassie on 2009-06-05 11:09:25
Download the iTunes installer, then open it with 7zip (or others). Extract the Apple Mobile Devices Support.msi and run it. You're done


Yeah I just figured that out.    But alas, still doesn't work (maybe it's a Windows 7 thing).  I guess I'll install itunes later. 


I have never got foo_dop to work with my 2nd gen iPod Touch on Windows 7 without iTunes, hoping it get fixed though, not a fan of iTunes, and don't really want it on my laptop
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Post by: Maxoo on 2009-06-05 15:55:39
Same here on Win7.
You can simply install iTunes, then uninstall it and finally reinstall AppleMobileDevicesSupport.msi.
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-05 20:00:37
Yes, you will need to connect it once to iTunes to do the pairing if foo_dop indicates it failed to do it in the foobar2000 console.

I haven't seen anything to say whether that is exclusive to Windows 7, or not, I don't see why it would be.
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Post by: my_heroine on 2009-06-07 12:39:04
Hello, when I synchronise my iPod nano 4G with fb2k there's always an error "Failed to add file to iPod: Object not found". But I know that the files are there and I've noticed that the iPod loses connection when synchronising.
The usb cable is not the problem, I've been trying with my iPod nano 1G and everything went well; besides I have two usb cables. iPod is set to use as a harddrive and to manage music manually (I am german so I don't know how these functions are called in english ;P)
iPod only loses connection when synchronising, if I do nothing, the connection is stable (I guess it's stable, I don't know 100%)

please help!
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-07 14:28:23
You could try using Process Monitor (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx) if you want to investigate what file operation is failing.

There is an option on the main synchronise screen to eject the iPod when it is finished, that will pop up with a "Safe to remove.." message though. If the disconnection is not simply the result of that, it would suggest a hardware problem, possibly with your iPod...
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Post by: 4d0lf on 2009-06-07 19:50:43
Hi.
I have a question.
Does scrobbling works with Shuffle 2G?
I'm using fb0968, audioscrobbbler141 and dop 0644.
Everything works fine but scrobbling from ipod.
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Post by: durch on 2009-06-09 12:10:11
Does foo_dop support writing ratings to the iPod database? I tagged my files with %rating% so far, but I'm not sure if that is recognized. If not, what's the appropriate field?
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-09 22:27:24
Does scrobbling works with Shuffle 2G?
Apparently not, I don't recall anyone highlighting it before though. I will try and add support for that in the next version.
[edit] I'm not sure actually if it reports the last played time or not, which would be needed for scrobbling. An example iTunesStats file after playing some tracks would be helpful here.

Does foo_dop support writing ratings to the iPod database? I tagged my files with %rating% so far, but I'm not sure if that is recognized. If not, what's the appropriate field?
As long as they are in the range 0-5, they should be transferred to the iPod. You can use the official Playback Statistics component if you want.
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Post by: 4d0lf on 2009-06-09 22:52:10
An example iTunesStats file after playing some tracks would be helpful here.

  There's just
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...so it won't work. Thanks for reply.
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-09 23:16:23
As mangled as that turned out copying and pasting it directly into your post, I can only see counts of plays there and no timestamps. Quite possibly the device doesn't actually track the real-time date/time, the modified date on the iTunesStats file might be a hint at that...

So unfortunately it doesn't look like last.fm synchronisation is possible, some rudimentary play count synchronisation may be though with the official playback stats component.

Standard iPod models use a "Play Counts" file which is a bit more detailed, I don't believe that is used at all on the Shuffle 1G/2G, but feel free to double check...
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Post by: 4d0lf on 2009-06-10 02:42:20
iTunesStats (http://4d0lf.neostrada.pl/iTunesStats.zip)
2 is few plays after 1, I posted this to show you the progress, maybe you can do something about this, but I doubt it.
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Post by: labou on 2009-06-10 04:42:26
when i try to send a song to my ipod i get a message saying, "MobileDeviceSign library required for 2.x firmware support."

Edit:

Never mind, I just needed the dll
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-10 08:53:27
iTunesStats (http://4d0lf.neostrada.pl/iTunesStats.zip)
2 is few plays after 1, I posted this to show you the progress, maybe you can do something about this, but I doubt it.
Well, the timestamps could be interpolated I guess.. But I would rather create an updated API then as I can at least flag up any values as interpolated then.

The other thing is will last.fm get unhappy if there are overlapping plays (i.e. with your computer)? They would be more likely if I did this. Maybe this hole isn't worth digging....
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Post by: fungiscience on 2009-06-10 19:55:26
when i try to send a song to my ipod i get a message saying, "MobileDeviceSign library required for 2.x firmware support."

Edit:

Never mind, I just needed the dll

Hello,

Got the same problem here but the dll is installed! I tried re-installing it a few times, but it doesn't help. What is weird is that I can get the ipod content, but I can't push some music on it, nor get the model info. Here is the console output :

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iPod manager: Connected to Apple Mobile Device (DID: 1, PID: 1291, UID: 2b3eea3d0f92b0f5116374fdbfc0036142381693)
iPod manager: USB AMD enumerator: Found USB\VID_05AC&PID_1291\2B3EEA3D0F92B0F5116374FDBFC0036142381693
iPod manager: Apple Mobile Device: Detected DBVersion: 4
iPod manager: Apple iPod/iPhone connected. Device Instance Path: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1291\2B3EEA3D0F92B0F5116374FDBFC0036142381693
iPod manager: Error: Failed to load library MobileDeviceSign.dll

Last line appears when I try to push music to my ipod (with the error popup).

I'm using :
foobar2000 v0.9.6.6
foo_dop v0.6.4.1
ipod touch 32GB 1G updated to 2.2.1
itunes 8.1.1.10 installed
XP SP2

Any hints?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-10 20:44:17
Did you put MobileDeviceSign.dll in your main foobar2000 folder or somewhere else?

It's only involved in signing the database after modifying it: hence it does not affect reading the device.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fungiscience on 2009-06-10 20:50:36
Wow! That was the problem... it works perfectly now!
I had put the dll in the component folder.

Thanks!

Moderation: Removed useless full quote of the preceding post.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2009-06-11 07:35:53
Question: one reason I haven't updated to newer releases (my current one is at least a half year old) is because the newer versins of this plugin require so much more space to be on the ipod. For example, currently, I only need to leave around 50 mb clear on the ipod at all times when transferring files. On the newer versions, it would require much more. Why is this exactly?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-11 07:48:44
So that it doesn't run out of space when writing database files etc. It should be .5% of the capacity by default.

You can change the amount of space reserved in advanced preferences.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2009-06-11 08:05:44
Ah ok, cool.

Another quick question: If we do not use id3 tags for are album art, can artwork be read at all from the ipod when playing via foobar? For example, if all of my artwork is stored in folder.jpgs when I send it to the ipod, is it possible for that artwork to somehow be used when playing songs from the ipod library?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: durch on 2009-06-11 11:16:02
I have an iPod nano 1G with 4 GB of space. That means 0.5% is 200 MB. Is it really necessary to have that much space reserved or is it safe to reduce the amount? To what number should I reduce it to have more space but avoid problems?
LOL, forget this. I just can't calculate.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Berki on 2009-06-11 12:29:14
Hello,

I just discovered this great foobar2000 plugin and really appreciate your work!

But unfortunately it doesn't work on my computer: When I want to "Sychronize" or "Sent playlist to iPod" the progress bar runs through and I get the following error for each track that is being added:

"Failed to add file to iPod: Falscher Parameter." ("Falscher Parameter" is German (I have a German Windows XP), i would translate it with "Wrong parameter").

It just worked fine on the computer of my friend with my iPod.

What can this be? Is there a log file I could look into (I am software developer myself too)?

Any help would be appreciated.

- Daniel
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-11 13:14:56
Seems strange.

It works with iTunes, right?

Try using Process Monitor to see what operation exactly is failing.

Also, the Apple Mobile Device Support part of iTunes comes with an iPod driver for any semi-recent iPods, you don't say what model you have but making sure the latest driver is installed may be an idea anyway. Also make sure your OS is up-to-date.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Berki on 2009-06-11 16:47:02
Hi,

thank you for the info. I have run Process Monitor and saved all unsuccessfull events as Process Monitor file (you can open them in the latest version of PM). I would be really cool if you could have a quick look into it.

A few lines near the bottom with a result of "INVALID PARAMETER" look interesting. These are QueryAttributeTagFile operations on the files EDIT: You can find the log file here (click the "Right click here..." link at the top) (http://files.ww.com/files/55579.html).

Regards,
Daniel
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-11 18:12:31
I don't think those are relevant - I get those same entries myself but they are followed up here with a QueryBasicInformationFile or similar, and not related to "Failed to add file to iPod" as that's earlier on when it is copying files.

Are you sending files which would be converted/transcoded? Maybe double check that is set-up correctly in that case - though still not clear what would be causing the errors.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Falstaff on 2009-06-11 18:29:25
Just a post to thank you musicmusic, i've just realized today that doo_dop now handle iphone as well

i can't do without it now
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Berki on 2009-06-11 19:59:28
I already double checked that. I am testing with 192 kb CBRs which do not have to be converted and I use the exact same converter configuration as on the machine it worked correctly (this was a plain Server 2003 x64 VMware that has never seen any software from Apple but it worked great out of the box).

I just updated to Service Pack 3 and updated the foobar2000 to the latest version a couple of hours ago - without any difference. I don't know what else I should do. I have an iPod Video 5G with 30 Gigs by the way with Firmware 1.1.1.

Would it be of any help if I would send you an unfiltered log file (I had a filter on foobar and result not successful)?

Thank you for your time. I really appreciate that.

- Daniel
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-11 20:17:46
I don't think it is anything to do with I/O since there wasn't anything in the log.

Is your OS install missing the ASCII code page? That would explain it, some things like nLite have done stupid things like removing that but there you go.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2009-06-12 00:33:53
Sorry to repost, but I'm not sure anyone saw my edit:

If we do not use id3 tags for are album art, can artwork be read at all from the ipod when playing via foobar? For example, if all of my artwork is stored in folder.jpgs when I send it to the ipod, is it possible for that artwork to somehow be used when playing songs from the ipod library?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Berki on 2009-06-12 05:39:49
It is a standard Windows XP Home SP0 patched to SP1, SP2, SP3 without nLite applied. The other computer on which it works was nLited :-). Could it have to do something with the language of the OS? Does your plugin support German Windows?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-12 07:59:09
If we do not use id3 tags for are album art, can artwork be read at all from the ipod when playing via foobar? For example, if all of my artwork is stored in folder.jpgs when I send it to the ipod, is it possible for that artwork to somehow be used when playing songs from the ipod library?
You can't do such a thing in the current version, no.

It is a standard Windows XP Home SP0 patched to SP1, SP2, SP3 without nLite applied. The other computer on which it works was nLited :-). Could it have to do something with the language of the OS? Does your plugin support German Windows?
If you go into the Regional and Language Options control panel applet, the installed code pages are listed somewhere there on Windows XP. 20127 is the ASCII one.

If non-English versions of Windows XP didn't come with the ASCII code page by default then no, but I would have thought more people would have complained by now... I think it is more likely something removed it, but anyway you can just re-add it.

[edit] typos
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sitalchauhan on 2009-06-12 17:30:08
Hi, your plugin is excellent!

I save all of my lyrics in the "LYRICS" tag in my mp3's. For them to show on my iPod, I have to put the Lyrics into the 'UNSYNCED LYRICS' tag, as this is the tag that the ipod reads lyrics from.

I was just wondering if you could place an option in the plugin preferences so that when I click to transfer a song from my collection to my iPod, that if there is anything saved in the "LYRICS" tag, it is copied into the "UNSYNCED LYRICS" tag and then transferred onto my iPod, so that the lyrics display correctly on my ipod, while my original mp3 file remains untouched with the lyrics still in the "LYRICS" tag.

At the moment, I have transferred all of my lyrics into the "UNSYNCED LYRICS" tag, but would much prefer to keep my lyrics in the "LYRICS" tag as a lot of my other mp3 playing software only read lyrics from the "LYRICS" tag.

Hopefully this is an easy option to add and it would be extremely useful (and for other people as if you search google, there are many people that keep lyrics in the "Lyrics" tag and were confused as to why they were not showing on their iPod)

Many thanks for an excellent plugin
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Berki on 2009-06-12 19:34:57
musicmusic, you are the best! The issue was the unticked (but installed) codepage. I would have never found what the problem was...

Thank you sooo much! You saved me a reinstall of my PC :-).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2009-06-12 20:13:53
I feel like we've already been here before.....but I gotta ask.

When ©Apple drops the 3.0 bomb next week, is there any chance that this component will work on iPhone at all?  I can see from your site that 3.x doesn't work, but is there substantial changes again in how they protect the db?

Of course, if you need some help in testing the thing, I'll do what I can, but was just hoping for some good news in that making things work will be relatively simple....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-12 20:22:42
Hi, your plugin is excellent!

I save all of my lyrics in the "LYRICS" tag in my mp3's. For them to show on my iPod, I have to put the Lyrics into the 'UNSYNCED LYRICS' tag, as this is the tag that the ipod reads lyrics from.

I was just wondering if you could place an option in the plugin preferences so that when I click to transfer a song from my collection to my iPod, that if there is anything saved in the "LYRICS" tag, it is copied into the "UNSYNCED LYRICS" tag and then transferred onto my iPod, so that the lyrics display correctly on my ipod, while my original mp3 file remains untouched with the lyrics still in the "LYRICS" tag.

At the moment, I have transferred all of my lyrics into the "UNSYNCED LYRICS" tag, but would much prefer to keep my lyrics in the "LYRICS" tag as a lot of my other mp3 playing software only read lyrics from the "LYRICS" tag.

Hopefully this is an easy option to add and it would be extremely useful (and for other people as if you search google, there are many people that keep lyrics in the "Lyrics" tag and were confused as to why they were not showing on their iPod)

Many thanks for an excellent plugin
Well most software would read it from USLT frame, see foobar2000 mappings (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Foobar2000:ID3_Tag_Mapping), ID3v2.4 frame specifications (http://www.id3.org/id3v2.4.0-frames), so I don't know about your comment about that, maybe you mean some foobar2000 components. Bar conversions, files are always copied unmodified by design. Besides I don't think it's the component's job to "fix" tags for you, if foobar2000 was to adopt a consistent mapping across formats, which I would say should be LYRICS, then I at least would quite happily change the component's detections accordingly depending on the foobar2000 version installed.

musicmusic, you are the best! The issue was the unticked (but installed) codepage. I would have never found what the problem was...

Thank you sooo much! You saved me a reinstall of my PC :-).
Welcome, but I can add a more descriptive error message now at least.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-12 20:30:46
When ©Apple drops the 3.0 bomb next week, is there any chance that this component will work on iPhone at all?  I can see from your site that 3.x doesn't work, but is there substantial changes again in how they protect the db?
Hi,
It was covered some posts above, but as far as I could see, nothing new in the way of protection mechanisms. The problem was that they are now also using some new SQLite databases. As I understood though, a simple workaround was simply opening and closing iTunes after using the component, however AFAIK that was tested on pre-release iTunes 8.2/3.x firmware, no confirmation for final version.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sitalchauhan on 2009-06-12 21:43:59
Well most software would read it from USLT frame, see foobar2000 mappings (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Foobar2000:ID3_Tag_Mapping), ID3v2.4 frame specifications (http://www.id3.org/id3v2.4.0-frames), so I don't know about your comment about that, maybe you mean some foobar2000 components. Bar conversions, files are always copied unmodified by design. Besides I don't think it's the component's job to "fix" tags for you, if foobar2000 was to adopt a consistent mapping across formats, which I would say should be LYRICS, then I at least would quite happily change the component's detections accordingly depending on the foobar2000 version installed.


Thanks for the reply  I was wondering if what I wanted could easily be done through the Preferences of iPod Manager under the Database tab, under Metadata. Unfortunately it is set so that I cannot add my own custom entrys, but if the following entry was added would it not work very easily?

Field: 'Unsynced Lyrics'
Mapping: $if2($meta(lyrics),)

Which would basically copy anything from the 'LYRICS' tag into the 'UNSYNCED LYRICS' tag when transferring to iPod.

I understand not everybody would want this by default, so by default if there is the 'Unsynced Lyrics' Field under the Metadata preferences, but the Mapping is left blank by default, then I/anybody can add the mapping they want to transfer their lyrics to their iPod if they do not have them saved in the 'Unsynced Lyrics' tag in their files.

Many thanks and keep up the excellent work,
Sital

EDIT: If this requires a lot of work to add the "Unsynced Lryics" field to the Metadata list in the preferences, dont worry about it, but it would be extremely useful for myself and im sure most others that save their lyrics in the id3 tags not under the "Unsynced Lyrics" tag
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fraganator on 2009-06-18 05:07:38
Great work with the foo_dop plugin musicmusic  Have been using it on version 2.2.1 for the past month or so with great success. Here's my report on the firmware 3.0 upgrade:

Just tried foo_dop with my 1G iPod touch running the official 3.0 firmware (and itunes 8.2) without success. It seems the files are copied to the iPod without a problem, but don't show up on the iPod (though itunes indicates that the Other space has been used, so they are definitely on there). Opening and closing itunes after using foo_dop didn't seem to help. Performing a Load Library with foo_dop is able to view all of the mp3s though.

Already looking forward to the next release!

Edit: foo_dop is also unable to see songs added to the iPod through itunes
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-18 08:47:28
[...]
The iPod reads the lyrics directly from the file: I can't remap it like that.

[...]
OK, probably iTunes is just using the newer DB exclusively now. I'm looking into it but it will take some time

I wouldn't mind another backup of the iTunes_Control\iTunes folder (from anybody) from the final 3.0 firmware/iTunes 8.2, just in case they have changed anything since the pre-release version.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fraganator on 2009-06-18 09:29:30
I wouldn't mind another backup of the iTunes_Control\iTunes folder (from anybody) from the final 3.0 firmware/iTunes 8.2, just in case they have changed anything since the pre-release version.


I've just emailed through a copy of the folder from my iPod, grabbed using iPhoneExplorer. It seems iTunesDB is missing completely now, though I'm not familiar any of the 3.0 betas so it may have been gone already.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-06-18 12:01:01
Going back to my Windows 7 issue, I have put XP back on my laptop, and now I can sync my 2nd gen iPod Touch, will you be looking into 7 support once it goes RTM?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: victorkr on 2009-06-18 12:03:07
I've just upgraded my ipod Touch 2G from 2.2.1 to 3.0. No problems with iTunes 8.2 but foobar cannoy see the iPod. It was working 100% yesterday.

Where I can look for the problem?

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2009-06-18 13:00:13
I've just upgraded my ipod Touch 2G from 2.2.1 to 3.0. No problems with iTunes 8.2 but foobar cannoy see the iPod. It was working 100% yesterday.

Where I can look for the problem?

Thanks


here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#requirements)
software 3.0 is not supported but hopefully will in the near future. for me it's the reason to buy the iphone 3gs
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-18 13:22:47
I've just emailed through a copy of the folder from my iPod, grabbed using iPhoneExplorer. It seems iTunesDB is missing completely now, though I'm not familiar any of the 3.0 betas so it may have been gone already.
Thanks, got it

Going back to my Windows 7 issue, I have put XP back on my laptop, and now I can sync my 2nd gen iPod Touch, will you be looking into 7 support once it goes RTM?
Well, as we know the issue is that the pairing fails, but you can use iTunes to do the pairing if you wish.

I don't know why it fails - Process Monitor may through up something if it is to do with file access, the keys are stored somewhere in the %AppData% folder I think.

As I don't have an iPhone or iPod touch, it's difficult for me to investigate.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shfx on 2009-06-19 05:34:56
I like to see your already working on firmware 3.0! You are awesome!

best of luck!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-19 08:01:31
Don't get too excited. There's a file - Locations.itdb.cbk - and I'm suspicious of it. I think there is probably some new protection mechanism here after all
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: StuPC on 2009-06-19 13:42:47
I've got a 2G Touch and just installed the 3.0 upgrade yesterday...

As far as I can tell foodop is still working OK - I've both added and deleted files from my Touch.

However, I deleted an album from my Touch using Foobar after upgrading, but my Touch later insisted it was still there, even though it couldn't play the (missing) files.
And I've noticed today that I can no longer scrobble files from my Touch - the audioscrobbler component always says "Your cache contains 0 tracks"

So, not perfect, but could be a lot worse. :-)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: StuPC on 2009-06-19 17:06:34
I've got a 2G Touch and just installed the 3.0 upgrade yesterday...

As far as I can tell foodop is still working OK - I've both added and deleted files from my Touch.

However, I deleted an album from my Touch using Foobar after upgrading, but my Touch later insisted it was still there, even though it couldn't play the (missing) files.
And I've noticed today that I can no longer scrobble files from my Touch - the audioscrobbler component always says "Your cache contains 0 tracks"

So, not perfect, but could be a lot worse. :-)


Actually, scratch that last post - foodop and my Touch are not playing nicely together at all - Touch refuses to acknowledges any new mp3s added using foobar.  Even though foobar says they're definitely on there (or not on there) the Touch itself still shows removed tracks and does NOT show added tracks. :-(
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-19 17:31:33
Anyway, due to the new protection mechanisms they have added, don't expect proper support for the 3.0 firmware anytime soon. (The only thing that I could add is read-only support).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Falstaff on 2009-06-19 18:37:05
Anyway, due to the new protection mechanisms they have added, don't expect proper support for the 3.0 firmware anytime soon. (The only thing that I could add is read-only support).


Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: wtstommy on 2009-06-19 21:52:35
Why does Apple DO that kind of thing. I just don't understand what they have to gain!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zig on 2009-06-19 22:34:30
I'm having a slight problem with the built-in converter.  It works for everything except my 24-bit FLAC files.  They convert fine using foobar's converter with the same encoder settings, so I'm not sure what the issue is.  No errors being spit out anywhere I can see either.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2009-06-19 22:34:31
Why does Apple DO that kind of thing. I just don't understand what they have to gain!

Control?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: myvision on 2009-06-20 00:01:58
Multiple plays on Ipod won't be scrobbled as I asked earlier in this thread.
Is there a possibility to scrobble all the plays with the same time stamp. This is how the official plugin handles the problem, that there is only the last play on the iPod stored with an time stamp.

http://www.last.fm/help/faq?category=iPod+Scrobbling (http://www.last.fm/help/faq?category=iPod+Scrobbling)

Thank you!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: willardjuice on 2009-06-20 00:10:49
Anyway, due to the new protection mechanisms they have added, don't expect proper support for the 3.0 firmware anytime soon. (The only thing that I could add is read-only support).


Ugh I hate Apple.  I don't suppose you want to work on adding Zune HD support when that comes out do you? (kidding) 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-20 11:15:32
I'm having a slight problem with the built-in converter.  It works for everything except my 24-bit FLAC files.  They convert fine using foobar's converter with the same encoder settings, so I'm not sure what the issue is.  No errors being spit out anywhere I can see either.
Sounds like my fault - thanks, I'll have a look.

Multiple plays on Ipod won't be scrobbled as I asked earlier in this thread.
Is there a possibility to scrobble all the plays with the same time stamp. This is how the official plugin handles the problem, that there is only the last play on the iPod stored with an time stamp.

http://www.last.fm/help/faq?category=iPod+Scrobbling (http://www.last.fm/help/faq?category=iPod+Scrobbling)

Thank you!
Good link - thanks, we also know how they deal with the Shuffle now. However, the change you mention would need to be made on foo_audioscrobbler's side.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: myvision on 2009-06-20 15:09:31
Thank you for your fast reply. I'll mention it in the thread of foo_audioscrobbler and hopefully I'll find an open ear.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shfx on 2009-06-20 21:32:41
Does the fact that 3.0 is jailbroken by redsn0w now make 3.0 support any easier?  Like, maybe for jailbreak only?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gob on 2009-06-20 22:41:46
Does the fact that 3.0 is jailbroken by redsn0w now make 3.0 support any easier?  Like, maybe for jailbreak only?


this is what i've been wondering.. my current phone has opened too many beers and the screen is cracked, i'd buy an iphone if i could sync my playback stats with it. but i don't know if i'd want to use < 3.0 software with some of the new features, but i'm open to jail breaking it, especially if it means i don't have to install itunes and its goons.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-21 13:45:40
Version 0.6.4.5 released.
I tried to add Shuffle 3G support, though I have no idea if it works. Hopefully someone can tell me.....

I'm having a slight problem with the built-in converter.  It works for everything except my 24-bit FLAC files.  They convert fine using foobar's converter with the same encoder settings, so I'm not sure what the issue is.  No errors being spit out anywhere I can see either.
Sounds like my fault - thanks, I'll have a look.
I tried and it did seem to work. How many channels do your files have?

Does the fact that 3.0 is jailbroken by redsn0w now make 3.0 support any easier?  Like, maybe for jailbreak only?
Not in itself, no - you'd need to find a way to stop the device validating the database signature.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zig on 2009-06-21 18:48:56
I'm having a slight problem with the built-in converter.  It works for everything except my 24-bit FLAC files.  They convert fine using foobar's converter with the same encoder settings, so I'm not sure what the issue is.  No errors being spit out anywhere I can see either.
Sounds like my fault - thanks, I'll have a look.
I tried and it did seem to work. How many channels do your files have?

Sorry, I was mistaken.  It keeps on trying to remove/add the same 120 tracks every time I synchronize, and some of them were 24-bit FLACs which I thought was the issue.  Most of these problem tracks are seemingly no different than the majority of my music collection (stereo 16-bit/44.1khz FLAC) which synchronizes just fine.  Also, even though they weirdly try to reload every time I synchronize, most of those 120 tracks play just fine on my iPod (though at least one of the albums does not play on my iPod at all, it just skips through every track like they are empty files).  Now I really have no idea what the problem is.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-21 20:12:33
Sorry, I was mistaken.  It keeps on trying to remove/add the same 120 tracks every time I synchronize, and some of them were 24-bit FLACs which I thought was the issue.
If you run it twice consecutively, does it prompt to re-transfer those on the second attempt?

(though at least one of the albums does not play on my iPod at all, it just skips through every track like they are empty files).
Is this converted FLAC as well?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zig on 2009-06-21 22:01:45
Sorry, I was mistaken.  It keeps on trying to remove/add the same 120 tracks every time I synchronize, and some of them were 24-bit FLACs which I thought was the issue.
If you run it twice consecutively, does it prompt to re-transfer those on the second attempt?

I just tried synchronizing twice in a row and the same 120 tracks came up the second time.

(though at least one of the albums does not play on my iPod at all, it just skips through every track like they are empty files).
Is this converted FLAC as well?

Yeah, I realized the problem with these is the sample rate.  They're 24-bit/96khz, they're converted to 16-bit but not downsampled to 44.1khz.  Seems unrelated to the synchronization problem.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-21 22:58:25
I just tried synchronizing twice in a row and the same 120 tracks came up the second time.
Hmm, strange. What filesystem are the source files stored in, and what format are you converting to? If MP3, do you have ID3v2 compatibility mode enabled? Is there some vague pattern to it (whole albums etc.?)

The following things are checked to match up files: last modified date, filesize, and artist, album, title, tracknumber, discnumber meta fields. For converted files, for the first two the values of the original source file are used - they are stored in a separate database. So, it seems one of those things is falling down. You can also check if nothing is going wrong with linking the files to the separate database by having a look if those files have a "yes" in the "In DopDB" column in Manage contents.

Yeah, I realized the problem with these is the sample rate.  They're 24-bit/96khz, they're converted to 16-bit but not downsampled to 44.1khz.  Seems unrelated to the synchronization problem.
Ah, yes the component doesn't resample itself, in most cases the iPod supports up to 48000Hz. I will change this at some point, thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Alcatraz on 2009-06-22 01:30:10
When will iPod manager support OS3.0?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sitalchauhan on 2009-06-22 01:35:43
When will iPod manager support OS3.0?


http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=642502 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=642502)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zig on 2009-06-22 04:01:32
I just tried synchronizing twice in a row and the same 120 tracks came up the second time.
Hmm, strange. What filesystem are the source files stored in, and what format are you converting to? If MP3, do you have ID3v2 compatibility mode enabled? Is there some vague pattern to it (whole albums etc.?)

I was using AAC, but I switched to MP3 just now because LAME downsamples the 96khz files.  Everything is syncing correctly and playing fine now, thanks for your patience and help trying to figure this out.  Not sure why I was even trying to use AAC in the first place.

(and in case it helps in any way, it did seem to be whole albums that were being re-loaded every time when I was using AAC)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-22 07:45:39
If you mean raw AAC (no container), then yes that wouldn't work (no tagging). If it was in an MP4 container it should work though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fraganator on 2009-06-22 12:44:48
Anyway, due to the new protection mechanisms they have added, don't expect proper support for the 3.0 firmware anytime soon. (The only thing that I could add is read-only support).

If you were able to add read-only support, does that mean the new iTunesCDB file hasn't been written with a new hashing algorithm?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-22 13:08:46
The problem is the database would be rejected without a valid digital signature, this is different from encryption which is why ready-only support could be easily achieved.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fraganator on 2009-06-22 13:35:20
Ah, that makes sense. For some reason I thought the hash was required to decrypt the file. So is the file a combination of the header documented here (http://ipodlinux.org/wiki/ITunesDB) and the the sqlite format (http://www.sqlite.org/fileformat.html)? Sorry for all the questions, I've always had an interest in reverse engineering
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: errrick on 2009-06-22 15:10:29
oh dear god, how I hate Apple.

musicmusic, where's this new digital signature thing located? Good thing is that they didn't change the hashing scheme on the iTunesDB file at least...

so far I made a few tests with my current code, and it seems that you can modify the iTunesDB file and SQLite databases and then see the changes in your iPod player. The problem is when you connect it to iTunes, where you will get a "the contents of your device cannot be read, please restore blah blah blah"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: MioTheGreat on 2009-06-22 16:37:51
so far I made a few tests with my current code, and it seems that you can modify the iTunesDB file and SQLite databases and then see the changes in your iPod player. The problem is when you connect it to iTunes, where you will get a "the contents of your device cannot be read, please restore blah blah blah"


Am I the only person who doesn't see that as a problem? iTunes is installed (for me) strictly for foo_dop dependency. Opening it kills a small part of me.

Does that mean we'll have write support for 3.0 soon?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2009-06-22 16:59:15
Am I the only person who doesn't see that as a problem? iTunes is installed (for me) strictly for foo_dop dependency. Opening it kills a small part of me.


same here
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-22 17:26:35
oh dear god, how I hate Apple.

musicmusic, where's this new digital signature thing located? Good thing is that they didn't change the hashing scheme on the iTunesDB file at least...

so far I made a few tests with my current code, and it seems that you can modify the iTunesDB file and SQLite databases and then see the changes in your iPod player. The problem is when you connect it to iTunes, where you will get a "the contents of your device cannot be read, please restore blah blah blah"
I'm told it is Locations.itdb.cbk.... I don't have an iPhone/iPod touch for my own testing, but the name of the file suggests that it is dependent on the Locations.itdb database rather than the other ones, is that the one you changed?

Does that mean we'll have write support for 3.0 soon?
It's still a completely new database format, there is a lot of work involved in supporting that unfortunately..
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Post by: errrick on 2009-06-22 17:45:00
I'm told it is Locations.itdb.cbk.... I don't have an iPhone/iPod touch for my own testing, but the name of the file suggests that it is dependent on the Locations.itdb database rather than the other ones, is that the one you changed?


Nope, the file in question that I modified was Library.itdb which doesn't have any "cbk" related file.

I think the only reason why Apple added these new SQLite databases was to have a better-performing solution for the new search commands introduced in the new firmware (i.e. Spotlight and Search field at the top of the artists, albums and song list). But the actual DB continues to be the iTunesDB file.
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-22 18:25:16
Nope, the file in question that I modified was Library.itdb which doesn't have any "cbk" related file.
If we need to modify that to add and remove paths... obviously we are a bit stuck..

But the actual DB continues to be the iTunesDB file.
The last backup I received doesn't even have an iTunesDB file.... It has an iTunesCDB file, the contents of which are a bit odd, maybe part encrypted, I don't know.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: errrick on 2009-06-22 20:18:36
The last backup I received doesn't even have an iTunesDB file.... It has an iTunesCDB file, the contents of which are a bit odd, maybe part encrypted, I don't know.


Where can I send mine? You'll see the iTunesDB file just like it always existed. Plus every SQLite databases in a separate folder. Let me know, and I'll also include my UDID if you need it.

Eric
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-22 20:55:02
I don't really want anymore backups...

Are you using iTunes 8.2.0.23 ? There doesn't seem to be any reference to this iTunesCDB file in the pre-release 8.2 versions, seems to be something they saved for the final release.

Anyway you can double check what happens if you modify one of the file paths in the Locations.itdb database if you want... (remember to do something to make it reload the DB also..)
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Post by: qxj on 2009-06-23 03:14:33
Here is a Locations.itdb.cbk beside the Locations.itdb too, it is Locations.itdb 's backup file? but it is so small.

The iTunesCDB file's struct seems some different than iTunesDB's. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fraganator on 2009-06-23 09:30:01
* iPhone/iPod Touch 3.0 work-around for foo_dop *

PLEASE NOTE:
1. foo_dop will never see anything added by iTunes, those will go into oblivion (this is because firmware 3.0 doesn't use iTunesDB any longer, and we delete iTunesCDB file in step 4 below)
2. This applies to final iTunes 8.2.0.23 (tested on Windows XP SP3, though should work for Vista/7)
3. You can't use foo_dop 0.6.4.5 (I used foo_dop 0.6.4.2)

After a little testing with my iPod Touch 1G (under instruction from musicmusic), songs synced using foo_dop are visible on iPods running the 3.0 firmware. Unfortunately it requires the use of iTunes after foo_dop has been used to sync, but I will explain why.

This work-around requires iPhoneBrowser 1.91 (http://code.google.com/p/iphonebrowser/). For users with jailbroken iPods, you can alternatively SSH into your device, or use the Mobile Terminal app installed through Cydia (I find iPhoneBrowser is the quickest method).

1. Before starting, REMOVE all the songs from your iPod using iTunes.
2. Start foobar2000 and sync songs to your iPod with foo_dop as usual.
3. When you're done, start up iPhoneBrowser (or SSH/Mobile Terminal) and in the left hand pane, navigate to /User/Media/iTunes_Control/iTunes
4. In the right hand pane, delete the iTunesCDB file (NOT the iTunesDB file).
5. Start up iTunes and allow it to find your iPod. If you look in the music section, you should see all the files synced using foo_dop.
6. Close iTunes.
7. You must carry out steps 3-6 whenever adding/removing songs with foo_dop

What's happening is iTunes doesn't see the iTunesCDB file when connecting to the iPod during step 5 (because it was deleted), but it does see the iTunesDB file created by foo_dop. It then converts foo_dop's iTunesDB to the new iTunesCDB format and syncs the new database file back to the iPod.
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Post by: alviswen on 2009-06-23 10:09:08
Great news!!!  I just test it by my iPhone 3G with OS3.0, iTunes 8.2.0.23, foo_dop 0.6.4.4, Windows 7-64bit(build 7137)
iPhone can find the file added by foo_dop, but ringtones and videos would disappear!

Though it's not as convenient as before, thanks musicmusic and fraganator !
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Post by: errrick on 2009-06-23 14:56:28
so it is as easy as deleting the iTunesCDB file?

wow, I am not a foo_dop user (but ended up in this forum looking for information about the new iTunesDB).. and if its just as simple as that, then that's gonna be seriously valuable information for us developing third party software that messes up with the music library


I'm gonna try this now.
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Post by: errrick on 2009-06-23 19:01:45
so it is as easy as deleting the iTunesCDB file?

wow, I am not a foo_dop user (but ended up in this forum looking for information about the new iTunesDB).. and if its just as simple as that, then that's gonna be seriously valuable information for us developing third party software that messes up with the music library


I'm gonna try this now.


ok, quick update on this. some fellow developers figured out that the iTunesCDB is just the iTunesDB compressed with zlib + mhbd header at the beggining. so I guess what we need to figure out now is how to update/regenerate the SQLite databases.

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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-23 20:03:48
ok, quick update on this. some fellow developers figured out that the iTunesCDB is just the iTunesDB compressed with zlib + mhbd header at the beggining.
That's right, I've known this since earlier today  It shouldn't be too hard to add read/write support for iTunesCDB, hopefully the open & close iTunes solution will work then without too much pain....
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Post by: fraganator on 2009-06-24 03:05:45
ok, quick update on this. some fellow developers figured out that the iTunesCDB is just the iTunesDB compressed with zlib + mhbd header at the beggining. so I guess what we need to figure out now is how to update/regenerate the SQLite databases.

That's great news  Thankfully SQLite is an open standard, so it shouldn't take too long.
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Post by: errrick on 2009-06-24 04:28:53
ok, quick update on this. some fellow developers figured out that the iTunesCDB is just the iTunesDB compressed with zlib + mhbd header at the beggining. so I guess what we need to figure out now is how to update/regenerate the SQLite databases.

That's great news  Thankfully SQLite is an open standard, so it shouldn't take too long.


Of course it is, but maybe there's something that could do the SQLite stuff for us.. without having to get into there and manually insert all the needed records...
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Post by: qxj on 2009-06-24 05:16:06
ok, quick update on this. some fellow developers figured out that the iTunesCDB is just the iTunesDB compressed with zlib + mhbd header at the beggining. so I guess what we need to figure out now is how to update/regenerate the SQLite databases.


Hope the SQLite databases will be cracked soonm
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-24 08:46:08
I've uploaded version 0.6.4.6. This should read & write the iTunesCDB database file OK. The hope is that it does, and that then opening and closing iTunes will be enough to make the iPhone/iPod touch see the updates... If someone could let me know if it works or not  (I would backup your current iTunesCDB database first.)

You need the zlib library in your foobar2000 directory for this version, link on download page.
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Post by: fraganator on 2009-06-24 11:54:44
Thanks for the update musicmusic  Here are the issues I've encountered so far with version 0.6.4.6:

1. In most cases, opening and closing iTunes doesn't auto update iTunesCDB. Have to query a song from the iPod first (either by playing it or checking its properties) to get it to rewrite the iTunesCDB file. I'm guessing when iTunesCDB is missing altogether, iTunes will make it a priority to rewrite the new database, otherwise it just waits until a rewrite is necessary.

2. Songs synced via iTunes are lost after a sync using foo_dop (expected behaviour?)

3. Performing two successive syncs with foo_dop will lose all the songs performed during the first sync. This was tested by performing a sync, loading the library, performing a second sync, then loading the library again. Only the songs synced during the second sync appear from the load library. The same behaviour is seen when using iTunes to view the files in place of the load library function. Recovering the orphaned tracks is able to see the tracks lost during the first sync.

4. Other than that, load library works (can read songs added from iTunes)

5. Cover art sometimes not appearing on iPod for 1 or 2 tracks in an album (I don't know if this was an existing issue or not, but it's the first time I'd encountered it)
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Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-24 13:03:42
1. In most cases, opening and closing iTunes doesn't auto update iTunesCDB. Have to query a song from the iPod first (either by playing it or checking its properties) to get it to rewrite the iTunesCDB file. I'm guessing when iTunesCDB is missing altogether, iTunes will make it a priority to rewrite the new database, otherwise it just waits until a rewrite is necessary.
Hi,
As far as I know, iTunes will rewrite the normal database if you open, wait a bit & close it again. But I don't know how exactly updating the SQLite DB fits in with that, which is what we want. So hmm...

2. Songs synced via iTunes are lost after a sync using foo_dop (expected behaviour?)

3. Performing two successive syncs with foo_dop will lose all the songs performed during the first sync. This was tested by performing a sync, loading the library, performing a second sync, then loading the library again. Only the songs synced during the second sync appear from the load library. The same behaviour is seen when using iTunes to view the files in place of the load library function. Recovering the orphaned tracks is able to see the tracks lost during the first sync.
Sync will remove anything that you didn't select to sync (with certain exceptions like podcasts), are you selecting completely different sets of files then? The orphaned files, could they be from earlier tests?
Did you close iTunes (and wait a few seconds) before running any foo_dop commands?

5. Cover art sometimes not appearing on iPod for 1 or 2 tracks in an album (I don't know if this was an existing issue or not, but it's the first time I'd encountered it)
Can you check what is listed in the Artwork column under 'Manage contents'? That should tell if it is a problem detecting the original artwork, or some other database issue.
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Post by: fraganator on 2009-06-24 16:50:57
As far as I know, iTunes will rewrite the normal database if you open, wait a bit & close it again. But I don't know how exactly updating the SQLite DB fits in with that, which is what we want. So hmm...

I did a sync using foo_dop, then opened iTunes and left it for a couple of minutes, then checked if the music was on the iPod but without success. So it seems the SQLite DB needs some prompting to be rewritten. I've found most any interaction with the playlist through iTunes will cause a sync (you can see it happen on the iPod's screen).

Sync will remove anything that you didn't select to sync (with certain exceptions like podcasts), are you selecting completely different sets of files then? The orphaned files, could they be from earlier tests?
Did you close iTunes (and wait a few seconds) before running any foo_dop commands?

Apologies, I should've been clearer when saying sync. I usually just right-click on a selected album, then choose iPod->Send to iPod, not Sync with Ipod (or do I have the wrong end of the stick with what function does what?). Just to be sure the orphaned files weren't from other tests, I did a recover orphaned files and deleted them using itunes. I also went into the Music/Fxx folders and checked they were empty. I then repeated the 'foo_dop send album1->foo_dop load library->foo_dop send album2->foo_dop load library' test, but only album2 shows up. iTunes isn't opened during the test. I also tried 'foo_dop send album1->open/close iTunes (with DB update)->foo_dop send album2->open/close iTunes (with DB update)->foo_dop load library' and could only see album2. Can anyone else with an iPhone/iPod touch confirm this behaviour?

Can you check what is listed in the Artwork column under 'Manage contents'? That should tell if it is a problem detecting the original artwork, or some other database issue.

Under the manage contents section, the artwork says nothing for the song with missing art, but yes for the rest with art. I realised that the song with missing artwork is the same song I play/view the properties of in iTunes to force it to sync the database, so it must be messing with the artwork some how.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-24 17:22:17
I then repeated the 'foo_dop send album1->foo_dop load library->foo_dop send album2->foo_dop load library' test, but only album2 shows up. iTunes isn't opened during the test.
If that's right with Send to iPod, and the first album was there after the first load library, it sounds like my fault. Does 'Rewrite database' in the File menu also wipe all songs off?

I realised that the song with missing artwork is the same song I play/view the properties of in iTunes to force it to sync the database, so it must be messing with the artwork some how.
Yes, it will like to do that unfortunately..
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Post by: haX0R on 2009-06-24 18:04:17
firstly i want to say thank you to the developer of this fine plugin.

my setup:
xp pro v2002 SP3
foobar 9.5.3
foo_dop 0.6.4.2

ipod nano 4thGen firmware 1.03
itunes 8.2.0.23


is there a way to display the track number with the song title during playback on the nano?

many thanks once again
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-06-24 19:32:55
You COULD tweak the field remappings in foo_dop's preferences.
Title: %tracknumber%. %title%

Other than that - no, it's a limitation of the iPods.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: wtstommy on 2009-06-24 19:47:27
I'm using an iPod touch 2G with OS 3.0. With the latest release of foo_dop, following the instructions outlined above, I am able to add files to the iPod using foobar2000. I have not experienced any problems as yet. But: I never add files using iTunes, so some of the problems mentioned above do not apply to me. Also: I usually remove files with iTunes because of the handy browser. But, just so you know, things are working for me, though obviously this is a work-around.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: haX0R on 2009-06-24 20:55:41
You COULD tweak the field remappings in foo_dop's preferences.
Title: %tracknumber%. %title%

Other than that - no, it's a limitation of the iPods.




that worked great. thank you!!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fraganator on 2009-06-25 03:37:46
Does 'Rewrite database' in the File menu also wipe all songs off?

Rewrite database works without a problem. I had a couple of albums on the iPod and sent another one to it, did a rewrite, and loaded the library and all three appeared.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-25 08:00:25
I found the error (sorry). Just uploaded 0.6.4.7, should be OK now.

PS. This may make a difference to what you have to do to trigger iTunes into updating the DB.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: qxj on 2009-06-25 10:11:10
ok, quick update on this. some fellow developers figured out that the iTunesCDB is just the iTunesDB compressed with zlib + mhbd header at the beggining.
That's right, I've known this since earlier today  It shouldn't be too hard to add read/write support for iTunesCDB, hopefully the open & close iTunes solution will work then without too much pain....


in the iTunesDB, here are 6 MHSD, the types are: 4(mhla),1(mhlt),6(mhlt),3(mhlp),2(mhlp),5(mhlp),
but in iTunesCDB, here is one MHSD more, a 8(mhli) between 4(mhla) and 1(mhlt)...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fraganator on 2009-06-25 16:35:43
Thanks again for your tireless efforts musicmusic! The Send to iPod issue is now gone in 0.6.4.7  iTunes still needs some prompting to rewrite iTunesCDB. To get around iTunes losing artwork when querying a file (when I try force it to do a DB rewrite), I do a Get Info on a 'dummy' mp3 in the library, so it doesn't matter if its artwork gets lost.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: marcus on 2009-06-25 20:48:02
For some reason, Foobar won't recognize my ipod anymore. Last week, I was able to sync with no problems, but now it's telling me that there's no ipod found. I've got mobile device support enabled in foo_dop preferences and mobiledevicesign.dll in the right folder. Anyone know how I can fix this?
I just downgraded from 3.0 to 2.1 and I have no music on it
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-25 22:25:04
The Send to iPod issue is now gone in 0.6.4.7
Thank you for confirming

For some reason, Foobar won't recognize my ipod anymore. Last week, I was able to sync with no problems, but now it's telling me that there's no ipod found. I've got mobile device support enabled in foo_dop preferences and mobiledevicesign.dll in the right folder. Anyone know how I can fix this?
I just downgraded from 3.0 to 2.1 and I have no music on it
Have a look in the foobar2000 console and see here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphone_ipod_touch_is_not_detected).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: marcus on 2009-06-25 23:25:51
For some reason, Foobar won't recognize my ipod anymore. Last week, I was able to sync with no problems, but now it's telling me that there's no ipod found. I've got mobile device support enabled in foo_dop preferences and mobiledevicesign.dll in the right folder. Anyone know how I can fix this?
I just downgraded from 3.0 to 2.1 and I have no music on it
Have a look in the foobar2000 console and see here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphone_ipod_touch_is_not_detected).

Well the thing is, I DO have Quicktime+ Apple Mobile Device Support installed, and mobile devices support IS enabled and it STILL says that there's no iPod connected.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-25 23:29:46
So you didn't look in the console?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: marcus on 2009-06-25 23:31:13
So you didn't look in the console?

i don't know what you mean by that
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-25 23:32:59
Then ask the first time?

View/Console.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: marcus on 2009-06-26 00:23:23
Then ask the first time?

View/Console.

Yeah, sorry, I just figured it out.
Thanks!
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Post by: viniciusferrao on 2009-06-26 01:42:47
I would like a feature request. foo_dop today can convert any format to something predefined if iPod/iPhone doesn't support the format, right? The question is: can you add some switch to _ALWAYS_ convert? My problem is: I have a huge ALAC database, and it would be cool if foo_dop converts my ALACs to AAC and send it to my iPhone.

Thanks.

PS: Even with a Mac now I continue using foobar2000 through Paralles just because foo_dop is awesome.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-06-29 21:52:11
Hi,

The plan was to add an option to convert tracks above a specified bitrate. I think that should meet most people's needs..
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Post by: vassie on 2009-07-01 13:02:00
Not checked out the latest foo_dop with my iPod Touch (with 3.0 firmware), am I correct in thinking that iTunes is also required?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-01 22:49:38
Yes, you will need to 'touch' something on the device using iTunes to get it to update the SQLite DB & the .cbk file. See preceding posts for more info.

It will be like that until we can generate the .cbk file ourselves.. there has been some progress there, at least.
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Post by: JDMK on 2009-07-02 05:16:06
Hey, folks, I did a search but was unable to locate anything, and I'm afraid to by-hand sift through the last 84 pages.  Anyone actually able to get the orphan track recovery option to work?  It just crashes Foobar for me.  I've attached the fail log if anyone's actually got some idea.

Code: [Select]
Illegal operation:
Code: C0000005h, flags: 00000000h, address: 0D6E3CAEh
Access violation, operation: read, address: 00000018h

Call path:
thread_t entry=>ipod_recover_orphaned_files

Code bytes (0D6E3CAEh):
0D6E3C6Eh:  24 34 15 00 00 00 89 44 24 38 E8 23 2D 08 00 83
0D6E3C7Eh:  C4 04 50 8D 44 24 14 E8 36 F7 FF FF 83 C4 14 8B
0D6E3C8Eh:  E5 5D C3 CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC
0D6E3C9Eh:  CC CC 55 8B EC 83 E4 F8 8B 4D 08 33 C0 83 EC 38
0D6E3CAEh:  39 41 18 74 74 38 45 0C BA 38 00 00 00 89 54 24
0D6E3CBEh:  10 89 54 24 08 8B 51 10 89 54 24 28 8B 51 14 C7
0D6E3CCEh:  04 24 43 46 41 36 C7 44 24 04 4C 50 41 41 89 44
0D6E3CDEh:  24 14 89 44 24 0C C7 44 24 20 1B 00 00 00 89 44

Stack (0D90FD70h):
0D90FD50h:  0012F8F4 7E42E442 00000001 0012F8CC
0D90FD60h:  0012F8E0 86C00000 00000000 00000017
0D90FD70h:  672C1F24 6681E642 672C1F24 0D946A40
0D90FD80h:  00000000 0D90FD9C 0D90FDC0 0D90FDB4
0D90FD90h:  E8004005 668985EF 0D946A40 0D946A40
0D90FDA0h:  0D94A548 00000004 6681E590 0D90FE08
0D90FDB0h:  0D6E1C6A 00000000 00000001 00000000
0D90FDC0h:  0E1CA628 09584E88 7C802446 00000001
0D90FDD0h:  00000000 00000000 00000010 FFFCF2C0
0D90FDE0h:  FFFFFFFF 00000000 0D90FDDC 0D90FDBC
0D90FDF0h:  00000000 0D90FE64 7C839AD8 7C802460
0D90FE00h:  FFFFFFFF 00000000 0000000A 094AF585
0D90FE10h:  0D941350 00000000 00000000 00000001
0D90FE20h:  0D90FE70 0E1F3A28 0E1F3998 00000000
0D90FE30h:  00000000 094A2D4A 236AC4A0 0E1CAC68
0D90FE40h:  0D90FED0 0E1F3A28 0D90FE88 00000550
0D90FE50h:  0D90FE7C 09444269 00004E9F 0D90FE6C
0D90FE60h:  0D90FE38 0D90FF1C 094E486A 00000000
0D90FE70h:  0D90FE9C 094995EB 0E1F3A28 0FA7E4F8
0D90FE80h:  094442E1 00000001 236AC45C 0E1F3EC8

Registers:
EAX: 00000000, EBX: 7C802446, ECX: 00000000, EDX: 00000000
ESI: 09584E88, EDI: 0E1CA628, EBP: 0D90FDAC, ESP: 0D90FD70

Crash location:
Module: iTunesMobileDevice
Offset: 23CAEh
Symbol: "AFCFileDescriptorCreateLockOperation" (+Eh)

Loaded modules:
foobar2000                      loaded at 00400000h - 00599000h
ntdll                            loaded at 7C900000h - 7C9B2000h
kernel32                        loaded at 7C800000h - 7C8F6000h
COMCTL32                        loaded at 773D0000h - 774D3000h
msvcrt                          loaded at 77C10000h - 77C68000h
ADVAPI32                        loaded at 77DD0000h - 77E6B000h
RPCRT4                          loaded at 77E70000h - 77F02000h
Secur32                          loaded at 77FE0000h - 77FF1000h
GDI32                            loaded at 77F10000h - 77F59000h
USER32                          loaded at 7E410000h - 7E4A1000h
SHLWAPI                          loaded at 77F60000h - 77FD6000h
DSOUND                          loaded at 73F10000h - 73F6C000h
ole32                            loaded at 774E0000h - 7761D000h
VERSION                          loaded at 77C00000h - 77C08000h
WINMM                            loaded at 76B40000h - 76B6D000h
SHELL32                          loaded at 7C9C0000h - 7D1D7000h
shared                          loaded at 10000000h - 1002B000h
imagehlp                        loaded at 76C90000h - 76CB8000h
UxTheme                          loaded at 5AD70000h - 5ADA8000h
dbghelp                          loaded at 59A60000h - 59B01000h
COMDLG32                        loaded at 763B0000h - 763F9000h
UnlockerHook                    loaded at 003E0000h - 003E4000h
WINTRUST                        loaded at 76C30000h - 76C5E000h
CRYPT32                          loaded at 77A80000h - 77B15000h
MSASN1                          loaded at 77B20000h - 77B32000h
wdmaud                          loaded at 72D20000h - 72D29000h
msacm32                          loaded at 72D10000h - 72D18000h
MSACM32                          loaded at 77BE0000h - 77BF5000h
midimap                          loaded at 77BD0000h - 77BD7000h
foo_msnalt                      loaded at 00E90000h - 00EA9000h
foo_uie_tabs                    loaded at 00ED0000h - 00EFA000h
foo_dbsearch                    loaded at 00F20000h - 00F90000h
OLEAUT32                        loaded at 77120000h - 771AB000h
foo_scheduler                    loaded at 00FB0000h - 0101F000h
POWRPROF                        loaded at 74AD0000h - 74AD8000h
foo_dsp_std                      loaded at 01040000h - 01089000h
foo_uie_trackinfo                loaded at 010B0000h - 010DE000h
foo_input_shorten                loaded at 01100000h - 0112E000h
foo_utils                        loaded at 01150000h - 01188000h
foo_tradersfriend                loaded at 011B0000h - 011ED000h
foo_chronflow                    loaded at 01210000h - 01271000h
gdiplus                          loaded at 4EC50000h - 4EDF6000h
OPENGL32                        loaded at 5ED00000h - 5EDCC000h
GLU32                            loaded at 68B20000h - 68B40000h
DDRAW                            loaded at 73760000h - 737AB000h
DCIMAN32                        loaded at 73BC0000h - 73BC6000h
foo_dbsearch_api_demo            loaded at 09310000h - 09331000h
foo_cdda                        loaded at 09360000h - 093A1000h
foo_uie_quicksearch              loaded at 093D0000h - 09416000h
foo_dop                          loaded at 09440000h - 09525000h
SETUPAPI                        loaded at 77920000h - 77A13000h
WS2_32                          loaded at 71AB0000h - 71AC7000h
WS2HELP                          loaded at 71AA0000h - 71AA8000h
QUARTZ                          loaded at 74810000h - 7497D000h
zlib1                            loaded at 09540000h - 09552000h
USP10                            loaded at 74D90000h - 74DFB000h
foo_lnk                          loaded at 09590000h - 095A9000h
foo_input_std                    loaded at 095D0000h - 09710000h
foo_ui_columns                  loaded at 09730000h - 097D6000h
foo_uie_lyrics                  loaded at 09800000h - 0985F000h
WININET                          loaded at 771B0000h - 7725A000h
foo_ui_std                      loaded at 09930000h - 09A3E000h
MSIMG32                          loaded at 76380000h - 76385000h
foo_converter                    loaded at 098A0000h - 0990D000h
foo_uie_albumlist                loaded at 09A50000h - 09A8D000h
foo_pqview                      loaded at 09AB0000h - 09ACC000h
foo_albumlist                    loaded at 09AF0000h - 09B4B000h
foo_playlist_manager            loaded at 09B70000h - 09BB7000h
foo_random                      loaded at 09BE0000h - 09C1F000h
foo_rgscan                      loaded at 09C40000h - 09C8E000h
nvoglnt                          loaded at 69500000h - 698A6000h
CLBCATQ                          loaded at 76FD0000h - 7704F000h
COMRes                          loaded at 77050000h - 77115000h
xpsp2res                        loaded at 0D2F0000h - 0D5B5000h
QTMLClient                      loaded at 0CAF0000h - 0CB41000h
iTunesMobileDevice              loaded at 0D6C0000h - 0D80C000h
WSOCK32                          loaded at 71AD0000h - 71AD9000h
QuickTime                        loaded at 66800000h - 674BE000h
mswsock                          loaded at 71A50000h - 71A8F000h
hnetcfg                          loaded at 662B0000h - 66308000h
wshtcpip                        loaded at 71A90000h - 71A98000h
rsaenh                          loaded at 68000000h - 68036000h
KsUser                          loaded at 73EE0000h - 73EE4000h
SHDOCVW                          loaded at 7E290000h - 7E401000h
CRYPTUI                          loaded at 754D0000h - 75550000h
NETAPI32                        loaded at 5B860000h - 5B8B5000h
WLDAP32                          loaded at 76F60000h - 76F8C000h
appHelp                          loaded at 77B40000h - 77B62000h
msi                              loaded at 7D1E0000h - 7D49C000h
SXS                              loaded at 7E720000h - 7E7D0000h
browseui                        loaded at 75F80000h - 7607D000h
MobileDeviceSign                loaded at 0F440000h - 0F4A9000h

Stack dump analysis:
Address: 672C1F24h (QuickTime+AC1F24h)
Address: 6681E642h (QuickTime+1E642h), symbol: "DllMain" (+1D162h)
Address: 672C1F24h (QuickTime+AC1F24h)
Address: 668985EFh (QuickTime+985EFh), symbol: "LIST_ComponentDispatch" (+1801Fh)
Address: 6681E590h (QuickTime+1E590h), symbol: "DllMain" (+1D0B0h)
Address: 0D6E1C6Ah (iTunesMobileDevice+21C6Ah), symbol: "AFCFileRefLock" (+1Ah)
Address: 7C802446h (kernel32+2446h), symbol: "Sleep" (+0h)
Address: 7C839AD8h (kernel32+39AD8h), symbol: "ValidateLocale" (+2B0h)
Address: 7C802460h (kernel32+2460h), symbol: "Sleep" (+1Ah)
Address: 094AF585h (foo_dop+6F585h)
Address: 094A2D4Ah (foo_dop+62D4Ah)
Address: 09444269h (foo_dop+4269h)
Address: 094E486Ah (foo_dop+A486Ah)
Address: 094995EBh (foo_dop+595EBh)
Address: 094442E1h (foo_dop+42E1h)
Address: 094E6A0Bh (foo_dop+A6A0Bh)
Address: 09478CEEh (foo_dop+38CEEh)
Address: 7E44048Fh (USER32+3048Fh), symbol: "DeregisterShellHookWindow" (+1CFh)
Address: 094F01E4h (foo_dop+B01E4h)
Address: 094EB684h (foo_dop+AB684h)
Address: 094F3FD0h (foo_dop+B3FD0h)
Address: 09478870h (foo_dop+38870h)
Address: 094F16FCh (foo_dop+B16FCh)
Address: 094F4934h (foo_dop+B4934h)
Address: 0055CCFCh (foobar2000+15CCFCh)
Address: 094F01C8h (foo_dop+B01C8h)
Address: 0945F1BBh (foo_dop+1F1BBh)
Address: 7E44048Fh (USER32+3048Fh), symbol: "DeregisterShellHookWindow" (+1CFh)
Address: 7E419A18h (USER32+9A18h), symbol: "IsChild" (+30Ah)
Address: 0945EE73h (foo_dop+1EE73h)
Address: 7E419A18h (USER32+9A18h), symbol: "IsChild" (+30Ah)
Address: 094E2159h (foo_dop+A2159h)
Address: 7C80B729h (kernel32+B729h), symbol: "GetModuleFileNameA" (+1BAh)
Address: 7E44048Fh (USER32+3048Fh), symbol: "DeregisterShellHookWindow" (+1CFh)
Address: 7E419A18h (USER32+9A18h), symbol: "IsChild" (+30Ah)
Address: 7C839AD8h (kernel32+39AD8h), symbol: "ValidateLocale" (+2B0h)
Address: 7C80B730h (kernel32+B730h), symbol: "GetModuleFileNameA" (+1C1h)
Address: 0945EE30h (foo_dop+1EE30h)
Address: 00400000h (foobar2000+0h)
Address: 01010000h (foo_scheduler+60000h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 00530006h (foobar2000+130006h)
Address: 01000088h (foo_scheduler+50088h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)
Address: 01000004h (foo_scheduler+50004h)

Environment:
App: foobar2000 v0.9.6.8
OS: Windows 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 x86
CPU: Intel® Celeron® CPU 2.40GHz, features: MMX SSE SSE2
Audio: VIA AC'97 Enhanced Audio (WAVE)
UI: Columns UI 0.2.0 beta 1

Components:
Core (2009-06-07 05:28:34)
    foobar2000 core 0.9.6.8
foo_albumlist.dll (2009-06-07 05:26:58)
    Album List 4.3.1
foo_cdda.dll (2009-06-07 05:26:40)
    CD Audio Decoder 2.1.4
foo_chronflow.dll (2008-04-14 01:16:00)
    Chronial's Coverflow 0.3.0
foo_converter.dll (2009-06-07 05:26:38)
    Converter 1.2.1
foo_dbsearch.dll (2007-01-25 22:58:48)
    Database Search 1.4
foo_dbsearch_api_demo.dll (2007-01-22 14:01:38)
    Database Search Toolbar Demo 1.0
foo_dop.dll (2009-06-24 23:57:06)
    iPod manager 0.6.4.7
foo_dsp_std.dll (2009-06-07 05:26:54)
    Standard DSP Array 1.0
foo_input_shorten.dll (2006-03-11 21:25:14)
    Shorten decoder 0.4.2a
foo_input_std.dll (2009-06-07 05:26:30)
    Standard Input Array 1.0
foo_lnk.dll (2006-04-29 21:15:24)
    Shell Link Resolver 1.2
foo_msnalt.dll (2006-11-02 19:57:08)
    MSN Now Playing (alt) 2.4
foo_playlist_manager.dll (2006-05-09 14:24:18)
    Playlist Manager 1.0.2
foo_pqview.dll (2006-03-13 02:23:30)
foo_random.dll (2006-03-13 13:35:04)
    Randomized playlist entry 1.2.3
foo_rgscan.dll (2009-06-07 05:26:22)
    ReplayGain Scanner 2.0.8
foo_scheduler.dll (2007-01-09 23:33:46)
    Scheduler 3.53
foo_tradersfriend.dll (2006-03-13 02:23:58)
    Live show tagger 0.6.1
foo_ui_columns.dll (2007-07-22 19:36:04)
    Columns UI 0.2.0 beta 1
foo_ui_std.dll (2009-06-07 05:27:04)
    Default User Interface 0.9.5
foo_uie_albumlist.dll (2007-06-08 10:58:44)
    Album list panel 0.2.2
foo_uie_lyrics.dll (2007-03-12 10:32:46)
    Lyric Show Panels 0.3.1.1
foo_uie_quicksearch.dll (2007-05-18 14:31:10)
    Quick Search Toolbar 2.8l
foo_uie_tabs.dll (2006-10-18 00:54:32)
    Tabbed panel modified 0.2.5
foo_uie_trackinfo.dll (2006-12-11 04:30:46)
    Track info panel 0.8
foo_utils.dll (2007-01-22 14:05:00)
    Playlist Tools 0.5.9

Recent events:
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 5 Path was: /iTunes_Control/Music/F90/10. U-.mp3) on:
applemobiledevice://a147c6581418c106cf315a8b3cfbc9b24a78b23a:/iTunes_Control/Music/F90/10. U-.mp3
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 5 Path was: /iTunes_Control/Music/F91/09. U-.mp3) on:
applemobiledevice://a147c6581418c106cf315a8b3cfbc9b24a78b23a:/iTunes_Control/Music/F91/09. U-.mp3
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 5 Path was: /iTunes_Control/Music/F92/08. U-.mp3) on:
applemobiledevice://a147c6581418c106cf315a8b3cfbc9b24a78b23a:/iTunes_Control/Music/F92/08. U-.mp3
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 5 Path was: /iTunes_Control/Music/F93/07. U-.mp3) on:
applemobiledevice://a147c6581418c106cf315a8b3cfbc9b24a78b23a:/iTunes_Control/Music/F93/07. U-.mp3
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 5 Path was: /iTunes_Control/Music/F94/06. U-.mp3) on:
applemobiledevice://a147c6581418c106cf315a8b3cfbc9b24a78b23a:/iTunes_Control/Music/F94/06. U-.mp3
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 5 Path was: /iTunes_Control/Music/F95/05. U-.mp3) on:
applemobiledevice://a147c6581418c106cf315a8b3cfbc9b24a78b23a:/iTunes_Control/Music/F95/05. U-.mp3
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 5 Path was: /iTunes_Control/Music/F96/04. U-.mp3) on:
applemobiledevice://a147c6581418c106cf315a8b3cfbc9b24a78b23a:/iTunes_Control/Music/F96/04. U-.mp3
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 5 Path was: /iTunes_Control/Music/F97/03. U-.mp3) on:
applemobiledevice://a147c6581418c106cf315a8b3cfbc9b24a78b23a:/iTunes_Control/Music/F97/03. U-.mp3
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 5 Path was: /iTunes_Control/Music/F98/02. U-.mp3) on:
applemobiledevice://a147c6581418c106cf315a8b3cfbc9b24a78b23a:/iTunes_Control/Music/F98/02. U-.mp3
could not enumerate tracks (I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 5 Path was: /iTunes_Control/Music/F99/01. Ch.mp3) on:
applemobiledevice://a147c6581418c106cf315a8b3cfbc9b24a78b23a:/iTunes_Control/Music/F99/01. Ch.mp3

[!--sizeo:1--][span style=\"font-size:8pt;line-height:100%\"][!--/sizeo--]Moderation: Added codebox.[/size]
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-02 17:52:42
Hi,

The crash itself is probably my fault, but the underlying problem is that some earlier function call failed.

Maybe related to all these in your log? "AFCFileRefOpen returned: 5"

That's a new error code to me, possibly means access denied here, but difficult to be certain.

I will change behaviour of next build so it shouldn't crash and hopefully give some kind of error. But the problem here was when it tried to lock the device to update the database etc.

Did you have anything like iTunes running at the same time? If not a restore of your iPod touch might not hurt..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ndataman on 2009-07-02 19:04:07
Did you have any luck with Locations.itdb.cbk?

Here is the what i found until now, which is not much.

It seem to be some kind of hash, but in the same time it grows with Locations.itdb. E.g. if Location.itdb is 6144bytes, cbk is always 186, whatever Location.itdb content is.

Some known sizes
Location.itb size 4096   6144   10240
cbk size              146     186     266

cbk always begins with 0x0100. Even a small change like SQLite update count (one byte change), will completely change half of cbk file.

Cbk is called by apple "blocking check".

If you have any useful info, please post it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ndataman on 2009-07-02 19:40:53
Continuing on the Locations.itdb.cbk file.

The size seems to be always a multiple of 20, which probably means it consists of several SHA-1 hashes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: haX0R on 2009-07-02 19:49:49
Hello,

is it possible for cover flow to sort by album?


my setup:
xp pro v2002 SP3
foobar 9.5.3
foo_dop 0.6.4.2

ipod nano 4thGen firmware 1.03
itunes 8.2.0.23


thank you
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ndataman on 2009-07-02 20:58:24
Correction of my previous post. The size of cbk is not multiple of 20, but difference between cbk of different size Locations.itdb.

Continuing on the Locations.itdb.cbk file.

The size seems to be always a multiple of 20, which probably means it consists of several SHA-1 hashes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: qxj on 2009-07-03 08:46:53
I found can't add record to table "item" for Library.itdb manully.
but open iTunes and close it can do it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Rapido on 2009-07-04 12:46:51
Hi everybody.
Since today, I have an iPhone 3gs.
previously, I had an iPhone 3g,  with firmware 2.2.1 : it worked well, then firmware 3, with the last version of foo_dop (0.6.4.7), it worked well when I was launching iTunes.

Now, with the new iPhone, the device isn't found by foo_dop.

here's the error in the console :

Code: [Select]
iPod manager: Listening for Apple mobile devices.
Startup time : 0:02.313361
Times: a0 - a1: 0msec
Times: a1 - a2: 0msec
Times: a2 - a3: 0msec
Times: a3 - a4: 1msec
Times: a4 - a5: 0msec
Synch: 3 msec (in mainthread!)
iPod manager: Connected to Apple Mobile Device (DID: 1, PID: 1294, UID: 8bc0b0f1c778b81bee5bc902dba6d806b74a8b80)
iPod manager: USB AMD enumerator: No devices found!
iPod manager: error: Could not locate matching USB device for Apple Mobile Device!


Am I the only one having troubles with the new iPhone and foo_dop ?
Thank you for you help, and many thanks for such a great plug-in   

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-04 12:55:02

Current build won't detect the 3GS... that is added for next build.

is it possible for cover flow to sort by album?
It's not possible to change how it sorts it to my knowledge.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jordi.c on 2009-07-05 08:08:38
First I want to say fantastic plugin. Most valuable plugin for foobar2k.

I have installed the latest version v6.4.7 it is crahsing when I open Foobar with the mention of Failed to load DLL: foo_dop.dll
Reason: This component is missing a required dependency, or was made fr a different version of foobar2000.

I went back to 6.4.2 this version runs without a hitch.

I don't have Itunes on my current PC is this needed to run the latest of the foo_pod plugin?

If this is the case, I would like to avoid installing Itunes bloatware can I bypass this by copying just a few files of the Itunes install dir?

Best Regards,
Jordi
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-05 10:17:07
You need zlib for that version, download is on the same page. But for now (until next version) you can just stick with 0.6.4.5 if you don't have an iPod touch/iPhone.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jordi.c on 2009-07-05 20:11:51
You need zlib for that version, download is on the same page. But for now (until next version) you can just stick with 0.6.4.5 if you don't have an iPod touch/iPhone.


Thx for heads-up~! I will wait for the next build, I guess that zlib is not needed anymore?

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-05 22:27:53
The next build will load it dynamically, so if it is not required (i.e. not 3.x iPod touch/iPhone) you won't need it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-07-11 12:51:52
What are your plans to get 3.0 supported with Touch/iPhone ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-11 14:19:28
Unfortunately a fair bit of work is involved..

First I am getting iTunes[C]DB things up to scratch and will release a new version shortly. That will still require the intervention of iTunes (to update the SQLite stuff).

The plan is to add full support for the SQLite databases after that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-07-11 14:41:26
Better late than never  Your work has been great etc. I loved the thing that I didn`t have to use iTunes, but I guess we who have 3.0 have to use it for a while.

Keep up the good work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-11 19:45:01
Version 0.6.4.8 released. See changelog for details.

There have been some updates to the iTunes[C]DB format in preparation for "iPhone OS 3.0" support, please report back if there are any problems.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-07-12 11:37:11
Works with my iPod Touch (1st gen) and 3.0 software.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-07-12 17:00:32
Now works on Windows 7, however, still need iTunes to "touch" something, I assume to write the cbk file.

Almost there
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Rapido on 2009-07-12 19:10:42
Works very well with the 3gs
Thank you !
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-07-12 21:21:37
lokioki & Rapido, are you using iTunes in any way with the latest version of foo_dop?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-07-12 22:58:01
lokioki & Rapido, are you using iTunes in any way with the latest version of foo_dop?

I only have it installed on my pc. Nothing else.

and problem found: it removed nothing from my ipod touch and added nothing when I tried (Tho Foobar showed that music was removed & added) but weird thing is that it added folder.jpg to every album (and every album where it added album art was the wrong album for that album art)


Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-07-12 23:01:43
foo_dop will allow me to copy music to my iPod Touch (2G with OS 3.0), I can load and view the music on my iPod in foobar, but it does not show up on the iPod itself, if I view my iPod in iTunes, edit the info on one of the track, then it all shows up on the iPod
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-07-12 23:21:33
I can view the music in my iPod and it is there since Foobar can play it, but if I try to play it on my iPod Touch (1st gen + 3.0) it loads selected song for 2 secs and jumps back to the song list and no playback.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2009-07-13 18:35:46
Found a bug with version 0.6.4.8 in my iphone 3GS. MP3 which don't have any gapless info don't show any artwork and won't play. Adding dummy info allows for the artwork to be seen and the track to be played. Everything else working as expected, thanks for the speedy working in getting the iphone 3GS working.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-13 21:16:56
Found a bug with version 0.6.4.8 in my iphone 3GS. MP3 which don't have any gapless info don't show any artwork and won't play. Adding dummy info allows for the artwork to be seen and the track to be played.
Hi, that is pretty much what the dummy info option is for (I'm sure it is on by default). iTunes will rescan any items without gapless data (and estimate it) but that will also trigger it into reloading the track's artwork, metadata etc. I don't know why that stopped the item from playing, maybe iTunes didn't like the file or something, doesn't seem worth worrying about at the moment..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2009-07-13 22:35:00

Quote
Quote
Found a bug with version 0.6.4.8 in my iphone 3GS. MP3 which don't have any gapless info don't show any artwork and won't play. Adding dummy info allows for the artwork to be seen and the track to be played.

Hi, that is pretty much what the dummy info option is for (I'm sure it is on by default). iTunes will rescan any items without gapless data (and estimate it) but that will also trigger it into reloading the track's artwork, metadata etc. I don't know why that stopped the item from playing, maybe iTunes didn't like the file or something, doesn't seem worth worrying about at the moment..


Yes, no big deal. I only have a handful of files without gapless data but they all stuck out. I think that the option to add dummy data is off by default, at least it is on my config and I don't remember changing it.

Thanks again for all the good work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-13 23:31:00
You're right it was off by default, sorry.. I've changed that, thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pinoniceusagi on 2009-07-17 00:00:13
Hi. I'm able to successfully transfer my folder.jpg artwork files (not embedded) to the iPod, and on the iPod I can view them just fine. Is there a way to make the foobar artwork reader view these images from the iPod, while I've got the iPod library loaded in foobar?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-18 18:14:16
Sorry, not possible at the moment, though requested a fair bit.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Falstaff on 2009-07-18 19:30:49
hi to all,

0.6.4.8 freshly installed, but my iphone 3G under 3.0 OS is not detected at all, is it normal ?? only 3GS working ??

thanx by advance.


EDIT: ok, i figured i t out !!! MobileDevice Option not checked in settings (oops)

thanx musicmusic for the good work
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pinoniceusagi on 2009-07-18 20:24:59
Sorry, not possible at the moment, though requested a fair bit.

Thank you very much for replying.
Would it be reasonable to expect this feature at some point in the future? It would be so nice to be able to do it
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-18 21:03:44
I am planning to look into it at some point since it has come up enough times, but I am still working on proper iPhone OS 3.0 support for now which has involved a fair bit of work to at least attempt to do it properly..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pinoniceusagi on 2009-07-18 23:01:49
That's great to hear, musicmusic.
The amount of work you have put and are still putting into this super foobar component is quite simply amazing.
Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: applewu on 2009-07-21 11:51:34
i have try to insert some data to the Library.itdb .

eg: insert into item(pid, media_kind, is_compilation, artwork_status,total_time_ms, relative_volume, title) values (4296214847442,1,0,0,281000,0,'test');

but failed, and the error messageis : no such function: icu_data_for_string

why?.......................

need icu??????
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-07-21 12:24:43
I am planning to look into it at some point since it has come up enough times, but I am still working on proper iPhone OS 3.0 support for now which has involved a fair bit of work to at least attempt to do it properly..


How is that coming along btw? (3.0 support that is)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-21 17:38:01
i have try to insert some data to the Library.itdb .

eg: insert into item(pid, media_kind, is_compilation, artwork_status,total_time_ms, relative_volume, title) values (4296214847442,1,0,0,281000,0,'test');

but failed, and the error messageis : no such function: icu_data_for_string

why?.......................

need icu??????
That would relate to some of the triggers in the database. Do you see any trace of "icu_data_for_string" in iTunes?

How is that coming along btw? (3.0 support that is)
It is at a state where it partly/mostly works, but some stuff still left to be done..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-07-21 18:45:36
i have try to insert some data to the Library.itdb .

eg: insert into item(pid, media_kind, is_compilation, artwork_status,total_time_ms, relative_volume, title) values (4296214847442,1,0,0,281000,0,'test');

but failed, and the error messageis : no such function: icu_data_for_string

why?.......................

need icu??????
That would relate to some of the triggers in the database. Do you see any trace of "icu_data_for_string" in iTunes?

How is that coming along btw? (3.0 support that is)
It is at a state where it partly/mostly works, but some stuff still left to be done..


Sweet, please say that's without the need to have iTunes installed
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: errrick on 2009-07-21 21:29:20
I'm having the icu_data_for_string error as well. It is present on a few triggers of the SQLite databases, and I believe they are somewhat related to how international unicode characters are sorted in the iPod listings (e.g. to make no difference between an U and  Ü or Ú and so on)

I know little about sqlite, but is there a way we could embed our own custom user defined funcion with the same name, to avoid that problem ? It's obvious icu_data_for_string is defined somewhere else, which could be the iPod music player app or just iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: applewu on 2009-07-22 00:03:29
i have defined custom funcion in sqlite Library. and i can insert the databases now. but the Locations.itdb.cbk file is the trouble .


how to modified the file.  May the most important thing.

who can tell me some Information of Locations.itdb.cb file.


Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-24 19:23:14
Version 0.6.4.9 released. This adds iPhone/iPod touch OS 3.0 support.

Note: You must install both the zlib and updated MobileDeviceSign library to your foobar2000 folder for iPhone/iPod touch OS 3.0 support.

Please report any encountered problems in this thread.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: errrick on 2009-07-24 19:28:35
Version 0.6.4.9 released. This adds iPhone/iPod touch OS 3.0 support.

Note: You must install both the zlib and updated MobileDeviceSign library to your foobar2000 folder for iPhone/iPod touch OS 3.0 support.

Please report any encountered problems in this thread.


just being curious but how did you address the latest issues with the iTunesDB and SQlite DBs ? I'm also curious to know what the MobileDeviceSign lib is for?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-24 20:25:35
Hard work?

P.S. Apple replied to the OdioWorks case: http://www.eff.org/cases/odioworks-v-apple (http://www.eff.org/cases/odioworks-v-apple)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-07-24 21:54:13
musicmusic, you are a genius

Just trasfered three albums, all show up with taking my iPod Touch (3.0) anywhere iTunes

Thanks you thank you thanks you
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2009-07-24 22:08:40
wohoo i just ordered my iphone 3gs because of the new 3.0 suport. thank you so much
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xezzy on 2009-07-25 02:49:56
Yeah, he won't butter his bread with that ^^
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: victorkr on 2009-07-25 03:11:39
My iPod 2nd gen with 3.0 is not detected. I am using Vista Enterprise.
foo_dop in components and Mobile device and zlib library in \Program Files\foobar2000.
Where else I can look for the reason device is not detected?

Thanks
V
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: applewu on 2009-07-25 08:48:15
Version 0.6.4.9 released. This adds iPhone/iPod touch OS 3.0 support.

Note: You must install both the zlib and updated MobileDeviceSign library to your foobar2000 folder for iPhone/iPod touch OS 3.0 support.

Please report any encountered problems in this thread.




oh,  so cool .  how do you do that . I have analysis the CBK file several days. but failed .

can you give some tips?


Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-25 09:19:50
Where else I can look for the reason device is not detected?
In the console, check here:
http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphon...is_not_detected (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphone_ipod_touch_is_not_detected)

Thanks

oh,  so cool .  how do you do that . I have analysis the CBK file several days. but failed .

can you give some tips?
Try #ipodhash on freenode.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: applewu on 2009-07-25 12:15:36
Where else I can look for the reason device is not detected?
In the console, check here:
http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphon...is_not_detected (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphone_ipod_touch_is_not_detected)

Thanks

oh,  so cool .  how do you do that . I have analysis the CBK file several days. but failed .

can you give some tips?
Try #ipodhash on freenode.



#ipodhash on freenode. ????????????
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: applewu on 2009-07-25 12:23:23
Where else I can look for the reason device is not detected?
In the console, check here:
http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphon...is_not_detected (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphone_ipod_touch_is_not_detected)

Thanks

oh,  so cool .  how do you do that . I have analysis the CBK file several days. but failed .

can you give some tips?
Try #ipodhash on freenode.



#ipodhash on freenode. ????????????  what is freenode?

I am not sure it is appropriate to ask certain problems, while I want to ask that. Since I have studied it for a long time, and i want a tool like foobar2000 on MAC OS X. for the MAC users.  so I want to know the truth. It does not matter if it is inconvenient for you to answer it. Sorry for disturbing you.

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2009-07-25 12:27:53
#ipodhash on freenode. ????????????

*cough* (http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=freenode) *cough* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: victorkr on 2009-07-25 12:53:22
Where else I can look for the reason device is not detected?
In the console, check here:
http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphon...is_not_detected (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphone_ipod_touch_is_not_detected)

Thanks

oh,  so cool .  how do you do that . I have analysis the CBK file several days. but failed .

can you give some tips?
Try #ipodhash on freenode.


Thanks musicmusic, I should have known better. It works now.

I got this as well:
iPod manager: Error reading Play Counts file : Unsupported file format
ID3v2 parsing failed: Bad unsync

There are 3 files which I get only WXPQ.MP3 and the like. Are those messages related to these files?

V
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-07-25 14:35:05
musicmusic, just wondering if you could look in to implementing the Autofill feature from iTunes 8.2, would it be possible to get foo_dop to look at how much space is on the connected iPod and just fill it with random music?
Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2009-07-25 14:52:20
Working great here on my iphone 3GS, thank you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-25 22:42:33
Thanks musicmusic, I should have known better. It works now.
Great

iPod manager: Error reading Play Counts file : Unsupported file format
This would be my issue. I have put up 0.6.5.0 - it should fix it or otherwise hopefully give a better error. Could you try it and keep an eye out for any similar errors? If you rate a track using your iPod/iPhone, that should be enough to create a new play counts file which foo_dop will then try and read.

ID3v2 parsing failed: Bad unsync
This is just from the foobar2000 ID3v2 reader, it means the tag is malformed.

There are 3 files which I get only WXPQ.MP3 and the like. Are those messages related to these files?
These are files that were added by iTunes. If you don't have any metadata in foobar2000 for them, then yes it could relate to the above.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-25 23:14:11
musicmusic, just wondering if you could look in to implementing the Autofill feature from iTunes 8.2, would it be possible to get foo_dop to look at how much space is on the connected iPod and just fill it with random music?
Thanks
I'm not planning to at the moment - sorry, but I added it to the list of requests on the wiki.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Falstaff on 2009-07-25 23:21:38
thx musicX2, last version seems to work with my iPhone 3G with 3.0 OS

Regards,
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: victorkr on 2009-07-26 00:38:14
iPod manager: Error reading Play Counts file : Unsupported file format
This would be my issue. I have put up 0.6.5.0 - it should fix it or otherwise hopefully give a better error. Could you try it and keep an eye out for any similar errors? If you rate a track using your iPod/iPhone, that should be enough to create a new play counts file which foo_dop will then try and read.


I get this now with the new dop:

iPod manager: Error reading play counts file: Not a bplist file
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-26 00:45:27
Could you backup the PlayCounts.plist file, in iTunes_Control\iTunes and upload it or send it to me? You might need to do as in my previous post to get a new one to appear. (E-mail addy on my site if you need it.) There are various software around to browse files on iPhone/iPod touches so hopefully you have one/can find one.. Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: victorkr on 2009-07-26 02:59:46
Could you backup the PlayCounts.plist file, in iTunes_Control\iTunes and upload it or send it to me? You might need to do as in my previous post to get a new one to appear. (E-mail addy on my site if you need it.) There are various software around to browse files on iPhone/iPod touches so hopefully you have one/can find one.. Thanks
Code: [Select]
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>DBTimestampMasOSDate</key>
<integer>3331409677</integer>
<key>tracks</key>
<array>
<dict>
<key>audioTrackID</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>bookmarkTimeInMS</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>deleted</key>
<false/>
<key>persistentID</key>
<integer>3634666252267980608</integer>
<key>playCount</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>playMacOSDate</key>
<integer>4294967295</integer>
<key>playedState</key>
<false/>
<key>skipCount</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>skipMacOSDate</key>
<integer>4294967295</integer>
<key>subtitleTrackID</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>userRating</key>
<integer>100</integer>
</dict>
<dict>
<key>audioTrackID</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>bookmarkTimeInMS</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>deleted</key>
<false/>
<key>persistentID</key>
<integer>6339053121830062098</integer>
<key>playCount</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>playMacOSDate</key>
<integer>4294967295</integer>
<key>playedState</key>
<true/>
<key>skipCount</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>skipMacOSDate</key>
<integer>3331362025</integer>
<key>subtitleTrackID</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>userRating</key>
<integer>0</integer>
</dict>
<dict>
<key>audioTrackID</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>bookmarkTimeInMS</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>deleted</key>
<false/>
<key>persistentID</key>
<integer>7003024593816507779</integer>
<key>playCount</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>playMacOSDate</key>
<integer>4294967295</integer>
<key>playedState</key>
<true/>
<key>skipCount</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>skipMacOSDate</key>
<integer>3331362018</integer>
<key>subtitleTrackID</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>userRating</key>
<integer>0</integer>
</dict>
<dict>
<key>audioTrackID</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>bookmarkTimeInMS</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>deleted</key>
<false/>
<key>persistentID</key>
<integer>7168905604467952879</integer>
<key>playCount</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>playMacOSDate</key>
<integer>4294967295</integer>
<key>playedState</key>
<true/>
<key>skipCount</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>skipMacOSDate</key>
<integer>3331361993</integer>
<key>subtitleTrackID</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>userRating</key>
<integer>0</integer>
</dict>
</array>
<key>version</key>
<integer>0</integer>
</dict>
</plist>

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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pri3st on 2009-07-26 05:17:05
Doesn't work with my iPod Toucg 2g 3.0.

Code: [Select]
iPod manager: Listening for Apple mobile devices.
iPod manager: Connected to Apple Mobile Device (DID: 2, PID: 1293, UID: 4ee505e662c58c685acaca96f571bde7f5b3ea02)
iPod manager: USB AMD enumerator: No devices found!
iPod manager: error: Could not locate matching USB device for Apple Mobile Device!


Everything placed in the right folder.

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-26 09:34:03
Thanks. I don't know why they switched from their binary plist format to the XML format but there you go.. (I think it might have been changed somewhere in 2.x actually.) It just means that reading play counts, ratings, deleted files won't work at the moment.

Doesn't work with my iPod Toucg 2g 3.0.
http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphon...is_not_detected (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphone_ipod_touch_is_not_detected)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: victorkr on 2009-07-26 15:02:49
I was just looking in foobar to assess whether it was working but actually I cannot see the files in the iPod.
Sequence of events from the console:

Send to iPod
Audioscrobbler: Importing played tracks from IPod de Victor
Audioscrobbler: Finished importing 0 tracks.
iPod manager: Generate SQLite database completed in 11.2643155 s
Playback (from foobar)
Opening track for playback: "applemobiledevice://47985c24ee14a12f1d5bbf980b4162205db8a7b3:/iTunes_Control/Music/F50/03 - O.mp3"

I can hear it but it does not appear in my iPod!
Close foobar and open iTunes. I cannot see the file either. (F..k)

Launch Foobar
iPod manager: Listening for Apple mobile devices.
Location not parsable: "C:\Users\ceakron\Music\iTunes\iTunes Library.itl", reason: Unsupported file format
Audioscrobbler: Handshake successful.
iPod manager: Connected to Apple Mobile Device (DID: 5, PID: 1293, UID: 47985c24ee14a12f1d5bbf980b4162205db8a7b3)
iPod manager: USB AMD enumerator: Found USB\VID_05AC&PID_1293\47985C24EE14A12F1D5BBF980B4162205DB8A7B3
iPod manager: Apple Mobile Device: detected SQLiteDB: true
iPod manager: Apple Mobile Device: detected DBVersion: 4
iPod manager: Got 58 post process SQL commands
iPod manager: Apple iPod/iPhone connected. Device Instance Path: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1293\47985C24EE14A12F1D5BBF980B4162205DB8A7B3

What about this .itl???

Remove from iPod
Audioscrobbler: Importing played tracks from IPod de Victor
Audioscrobbler: Finished importing 0 tracks.
iPod manager: Generate SQLite database completed in 11.5692359 s

I tried a couple of times. Files do not appear in iPod although foo_dop can read them.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-26 15:24:20
What about this .itl???
Must be from the foobar2000 media library folder watcher.

I tried a couple of times. Files do not appear in iPod although foo_dop can read them.
Does foo_dop still see them after opening & closing iTunes?

Can you send me a backup of your iTunes_Control\iTunes folder on your iPod so I can take a look? Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: victorkr on 2009-07-26 15:32:55
Does foo_dop still see them after opening & closing iTunes?

Yes.
Backup by mail.
V

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-26 23:42:42
The problem victorkr was having was something to do with broken metadata remappings, apparently.

I have uploaded 0.6.5.1 which I hope should read the iPhone/iPod touch play counts file properly now. A few other issues were also fixed.

Question: Does File/iPod/Properties work unreliably for anyone else using an iPhone/iPod touch?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-07-27 08:47:57
The problem victorkr was having was something to do with broken metadata remappings, apparently.

I have uploaded 0.6.5.1 which I hope should read the iPhone/iPod touch play counts file properly now. A few other issues were also fixed.

Question: Does File/iPod/Properties work unreliably for anyone else using an iPhone/iPod touch?


Will test when I get home, something I noticed however, if I load my iPod Touch library into foobar, it will show all my albums, but with duplicate tracks, if I play one of the duplicates, it changes straight away to a different track

Ben
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-27 08:50:52
Sounds like you have got dead entries in there somehow. Have you compared the path of both in their properties?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-07-27 09:07:39
Sounds like you have got dead entries in there somehow. Have you compared the path of both in their properties?


No, I'll have a look when I get home tonight, and will let you know
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mig on 2009-07-27 17:07:05
Hey musicmusic, thanks for the great plugin!

The only thing I don't see working so far is the video thumbnails, back in 0.6.4.8 (I believe) it would only show thumbs for the last video (I usually add ~4 a day and watch them on the way to and from work), now on 0.6.5.1 I no longer have to go to iTunes (which is great!) but I now have no thumbs, I'm sure you'll get to it soon but just as an FYI, this is only for Videos, the folder.jpg file is applied properly for albums.

Now to go back to your question about File/iPod/Properties, I just went there and the only information populated in the dialog box is the total/free space of my iPhone 3G, no serial# or any other information is displayed.

Everything else works (as far as I can tell though), thanks again.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2009-07-27 23:33:52
One feature suggestion. How about automatically enabling "Remember playback position" on files longer than a definable length. This would be great for gapless DJ sets and audio books that are not in the m4b format.

New version works great with my 3.0 3G. Thanks for the hard work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mig on 2009-07-28 00:21:06
Since there are some feature suggestions here, here's one/two for the bottom of the list-

1) Allow the user to input video information BEFORE copying to the iPod, the reason being that updating this information is SLOW once the file is on the iPod, this isn't too much of a big deal since I hardly use this metadata anyway, but if it were easier to input it, I might start.

2) Add support for m4v container, we know they don't differ much from mp4 and it is Handbrake's default container for iPhone/iPod video which is what I use to convert most of my videos to iPhone format before copying them over using foobar, this is more important than #1 but it is a low priority request since I can tell Handbrake to use MP4 as the default container, it would just be nice to be able to use m4v as well so that I don't have to re-encode if I forget to set it to use MP4.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: cluckyb on 2009-07-28 02:34:53
Sorry if this has already been asked/addressed, but I didn't see anything.

I recently started using Foobar -- liking it so far, but can't get the iPod syncing working right. I'm using a second gen I-pod touch running iPhone OS 3.0. if I sync using something other than the iPod view playlist, it re-syncs every song and takes a very long time. However, I can't edit tags for music in the iPod view playlist. What should I do to properly sync the iPod s.t. I can still use tagging features (and take advantage of playlists based off tags) but not have to re download all my songs every time? Now that I think of it, I gave all the songs a tag. Would that cause them to come up as different and so require a sync?

Also I realize the statistics is a different component, but is there any way to make the iPod syncing update the play count/raiting stats?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Coldthroat on 2009-07-28 20:54:18
Hey musicmusic (and all!), just a quick question.

My music library is entirely FLAC, and I'd like to keep the files on my iPod lossless (ALAC would be best, I suppose).  I also see that Nero AAC and LAME don't do lossless conversion.  Do you have a recommendation for a good lossless audio encoder that I can use directly from the "Conversion" tab of foo_dop?  I've done research online for the past couple of hours and found dBpoweramp as well as the command line instructions, but couldn't quite figure out how to get them working and couldn't find any further documentation.  Any info you might have on dBpoweramp or another ALAC encoder would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xezzy on 2009-07-28 22:10:22
At my time dbpoweramp was only ALAC encoder besides itunes. Its very easy to use, since its command line program, but you will need to use paid version :/

encoder: coreconverter.exe
extension: m4a
parameters: infile="%path%" -outfile="$replace(%path%,.flac,.m4a)" -convert_to="Apple Lossless"

I guess you will need to experiment a little bit since i dont know how adding extensions works in foobar's converter, and this code is nonethless super-non-elegant, it will work only for FLACs. Some time ago i used this with foo_run, never tried with converter. Dunno why
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-28 23:44:00
The only thing I don't see working so far is the video thumbnails, back in 0.6.4.8 (I believe) it would only show thumbs for the last video (I usually add ~4 a day and watch them on the way to and from work), now on 0.6.5.1 I no longer have to go to iTunes (which is great!) but I now have no thumbs, I'm sure you'll get to it soon but just as an FYI, this is only for Videos, the folder.jpg file is applied properly for albums.
Hi,
I can see why they might not be displayed at a season/series level. Is that what you refer to?

If it is at an episode level (I don't know how exactly they are displayed on the touch/iPhone), do they have a 'yes' in the artwork column in Manage contents?

One feature suggestion. How about automatically enabling "Remember playback position" on files longer than a definable length. This would be great for gapless DJ sets and audio books that are not in the m4b format.
It is a reasonable request.. I will note it

New version works great with my 3.0 3G. Thanks for the hard work.
Welcome

1) Allow the user to input video information BEFORE copying to the iPod
Ah, but that is what you are meant to do..

2) Add support for m4v container
Unfortunately foobar2000 itself needs to recognise it first.

Would that cause them to come up as different and so require a sync?
Yes.

Also I realize the statistics is a different component, but is there any way to make the iPod syncing update the play count/raiting stats?
They do communicate to each, I would hope it is working with current version but I don't have an iPod touch/iPhone so it can be a bit of a minefield..

Hey musicmusic (and all!), just a quick question.

My music library is entirely FLAC, and I'd like to keep the files on my iPod lossless (ALAC would be best, I suppose).  I also see that Nero AAC and LAME don't do lossless conversion.  Do you have a recommendation for a good lossless audio encoder that I can use directly from the "Conversion" tab of foo_dop?  I've done research online for the past couple of hours and found dBpoweramp as well as the command line instructions, but couldn't quite figure out how to get them working and couldn't find any further documentation.  Any info you might have on dBpoweramp or another ALAC encoder would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
ffmpeg is one option.

If you grab the latest build:
http://ffmpeg.arrozcru.org/autobuilds/ (http://ffmpeg.arrozcru.org/autobuilds/)

Use extension m4a, and parameters:
Code: [Select]
-i - -acodec alac %d
it should just about work.

In the past I did have issues with piped in content coming out a different length, though one I tried now seemed to come out OK.

If you want to try dbPowerAmp, I would guess the following params are more likely to work (but not tried..):
Code: [Select]
-infile=- -outfile=%d -convert_to="Apple Lossless"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-07-29 13:14:22
Tried newest version, it can remove stuff from my iPod, but I still see tags of removed stuff :I Example: I remove an album > go to iPod > It still think it is there, but when clicking some of the songs = loads two secs and goes back to previous page.

edit: but after restart they disappeared o/ great work !
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furiousDingo on 2009-07-29 15:50:57
Hey musicmusic.  I've been using foobar2000 with foo_dop since around February and I think it's been working terrifically.  I think all of us in this forum can agree that your prompt and tireless effort to maintain foo_dop through all of Apple's inane iPhone OS changes has benefited us greatly in that we are free from the shackles of the bloatware known as iTunes.  I just wanted to let you know that the latest version has been running extremely well on my iPhone 3G with OS3.0 and that through foo_dop (and, of course, foobar2000) I've been able to transition my library from 192-256kbps mp3 to the awesomeness that is FLAC.  Your component's simple interface, yet powerful coding beneath is a clear example of what should be in all programs and where the future of software interaction should be.
Kudos and I look forward to many more great releases of the component! 

I guess the one issue I have (although it's not really a big deal) is how to specify that certain songs should not be synced to the iPhone (I had some FLAC songs that, when converted, would kill music playback on the iPhone if played in iTunes).  Actually that last part was really weird, it would not only kill audio coming from that song (iPod function would show the track place moving as if the song was playing, but there would be no audio) but it would then kill audio from other songs that I knew played fine on the iPhone.  The only solution was to do a hard reset on the phone to get music functionality back.  I haven't checked to see if this problem has been resolved from a more recent sync, but the ability to specify certain songs not to be synced by foo_dop would be great!

Again, thanks for the great work (especially respectable since you don't even have an iPhone/iTouch to work with while doing all of this!)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mig on 2009-07-29 16:42:42
Quote
The only thing I don't see working so far is the video thumbnails, back in 0.6.4.8 (I believe) it would only show thumbs for the last video (I usually add ~4 a day and watch them on the way to and from work), now on 0.6.5.1 I no longer have to go to iTunes (which is great!) but I now have no thumbs, I'm sure you'll get to it soon but just as an FYI, this is only for Videos, the folder.jpg file is applied properly for albums.
Hi,
I can see why they might not be displayed at a season/series level. Is that what you refer to?

If it is at an episode level (I don't know how exactly they are displayed on the touch/iPhone), do they have a 'yes' in the artwork column in Manage contents?
They do have a 'yes' in the artwork column in manage contents, but the iPod does not show the thumbnails for any of the videos (this is at an episode level) except the last one when adding more than one video. EDIT: I just tagged the video before sending to the iPhone, it shows up properly tagged etc, but no thumbnail shows up in the iPod view, however Foobar reports having taken the thumbnail (and I saw the MatroskaSplitter icon show up indicating the file was loaded) - the thumbnail did not show up even after a respring indicating it wasnt written properly or at all? Hope this helps.

Quote
1) Allow the user to input video information BEFORE copying to the iPod
Ah, but that is what you are meant to do..
I see, makes sense

Quote
2) Add support for m4v container
Unfortunately foobar2000 itself needs to recognise it first.
Understood.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-29 23:07:57
Hey musicmusic.  I've been using foobar2000 with foo_dop since around February and I think it's been working terrifically.  I think all of us in this forum can agree that your prompt and tireless effort to maintain foo_dop through all of Apple's inane iPhone OS changes has benefited us greatly in that we are free from the shackles of the bloatware known as iTunes.  I just wanted to let you know that the latest version has been running extremely well on my iPhone 3G with OS3.0 and that through foo_dop (and, of course, foobar2000) I've been able to transition my library from 192-256kbps mp3 to the awesomeness that is FLAC.  Your component's simple interface, yet powerful coding beneath is a clear example of what should be in all programs and where the future of software interaction should be.
Kudos and I look forward to many more great releases of the component! 

I guess the one issue I have (although it's not really a big deal) is how to specify that certain songs should not be synced to the iPhone (I had some FLAC songs that, when converted, would kill music playback on the iPhone if played in iTunes).  Actually that last part was really weird, it would not only kill audio coming from that song (iPod function would show the track place moving as if the song was playing, but there would be no audio) but it would then kill audio from other songs that I knew played fine on the iPhone.  The only solution was to do a hard reset on the phone to get music functionality back.  I haven't checked to see if this problem has been resolved from a more recent sync, but the ability to specify certain songs not to be synced by foo_dop would be great!

Again, thanks for the great work (especially respectable since you don't even have an iPhone/iTouch to work with while doing all of this!)
Thanks 

If we are talking about arbitrary tracks, then being able to set a metafield such as IPOD_EXCLUDED to exclude them would be one solution. (In fact, I'm sure someone else ended up using that with an autoplaylist and just sync'd with that, though I realise that won't be adequate for everyone.)

The alternative would be keeping track of it in a database (rather than files' tags), but I think that would be a bit too much work and possibly not in the scope of this component..

They do have a 'yes' in the artwork column in manage contents, but the iPod does not show the thumbnails for any of the videos (this is at an episode level) except the last one when adding more than one video. EDIT: I just tagged the video before sending to the iPhone, it shows up properly tagged etc, but no thumbnail shows up in the iPod view, however Foobar reports having taken the thumbnail (and I saw the MatroskaSplitter icon show up indicating the file was loaded) - the thumbnail did not show up even after a respring indicating it wasnt written properly or at all? Hope this helps.
I can't see any obvious reason why that might be happening.

If you can backup your iTunes_Control\Artwork\ArtworkDB and iTunes_Control\iTunes\iTunes library.itlp\Library.itdb files, and point out a video with a thumbnail and one without I can see if there are any differences there. Do the ones without show as some kind of placeholder image? Something else you could check is if you use a normal artwork file (folder.jpg etc.) that would be used instead of creating a thumbnail through DirectShow, it shouldn't make any difference but it at least rules some stuff out..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-29 23:12:11
Tried newest version, it can remove stuff from my iPod, but I still see tags of removed stuff :I Example: I remove an album > go to iPod > It still think it is there, but when clicking some of the songs = loads two secs and goes back to previous page.

edit: but after restart they disappeared o/ great work !
Seems like the device had some problem receiving the sync notification(s). Has the problem reoccurred?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furiousDingo on 2009-07-30 02:19:47
If we are talking about arbitrary tracks, then being able to set a metafield such as IPOD_EXCLUDED to exclude them would be one solution. (In fact, I'm sure someone else ended up using that with an autoplaylist and just sync'd with that, though I realise that won't be adequate for everyone.)

Yeah, that would be a good idea since it's this one album I have (a DVD-Audio rip of Fleetwood Mac's Rumours) that must be encoded through NeroAAC to something iTunes recognizes, but can't play (probably b/c the original is 24-bit, which is higher than normal audio encoding).  Is IPOD_EXCLUDED something already implemented in foo_dop?  Sorry if that's a pointless question, I don't see documentation on it and I think it's a good idea to have implemented for people who run into these silly issues like myself.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-30 07:46:26
No it isn't, I was just proposing a way of implementing it. I will add it at some point..

I think it could be the sample rate that is causing the issue, resampling on my side is something to be added also..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-07-30 11:25:15
Tried newest version, it can remove stuff from my iPod, but I still see tags of removed stuff :I Example: I remove an album > go to iPod > It still think it is there, but when clicking some of the songs = loads two secs and goes back to previous page.

edit: but after restart they disappeared o/ great work !
Seems like the device had some problem receiving the sync notification(s). Has the problem reoccurred?


No. Those which didn´t go away was added with iTunes. Now when everything has added with foobar, it works straight without reboot.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2009-07-30 17:48:24
on iPod Touch 1G everything is working smoothly and with no bugs so far. "Writing iPod SQLite database" part seems to be lasting a bit long, though. But it's how OS 3.0 works probably....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mig on 2009-07-31 17:21:39
They do have a 'yes' in the artwork column in manage contents, but the iPod does not show the thumbnails for any of the videos (this is at an episode level) except the last one when adding more than one video. EDIT: I just tagged the video before sending to the iPhone, it shows up properly tagged etc, but no thumbnail shows up in the iPod view, however Foobar reports having taken the thumbnail (and I saw the MatroskaSplitter icon show up indicating the file was loaded) - the thumbnail did not show up even after a respring indicating it wasnt written properly or at all? Hope this helps.
I can't see any obvious reason why that might be happening.

If you can backup your iTunes_Control\Artwork\ArtworkDB and iTunes_Control\iTunes\iTunes library.itlp\Library.itdb files, and point out a video with a thumbnail and one without I can see if there are any differences there. Do the ones without show as some kind of placeholder image? Something else you could check is if you use a normal artwork file (folder.jpg etc.) that would be used instead of creating a thumbnail through DirectShow, it shouldn't make any difference but it at least rules some stuff out..


Added a single MP4 file that I placed in a folder with a folder.jpg file as requested and neither the thumbnail it should have taken from the video or the image that I named folder.jpg was set as the thumbnail for the video on the iPod, this was before AND after I disabled "create thumbnails for videos" in the options (both times yielded the same result). Also, now (since 0.6.5.1) no thumbnails are created at all. If I add a single video or more than one, whereas before when I could see at least the last thumbnail this time no thumbnails are added.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-07-31 18:27:14
on iPod Touch 1G everything is working smoothly and with no bugs so far.
Great

"Writing iPod SQLite database" part seems to be lasting a bit long, though. But it's how OS 3.0 works probably....
It will depend on how large your library is. I may be able to make it a little bit faster, but I'm not sure how much yet..

Added a single MP4 file that I placed in a folder with a folder.jpg file as requested and neither the thumbnail it should have taken from the video or the image that I named folder.jpg was set as the thumbnail for the video on the iPod, this was before AND after I disabled "create thumbnails for videos" in the options (both times yielded the same result). Also, now (since 0.6.5.1) no thumbnails are created at all. If I add a single video or more than one, whereas before when I could see at least the last thumbnail this time no thumbnails are added.
I found something relevant. Try with next build when released.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NoZone on 2009-08-01 05:28:37
Just got an ipod and have been using foobar for years. I installed foo pod but foobar still can't detect the ipod. When I go to the foobar file/ipod/ and select any option I get "No Ipod found". If I add mp3's to a playlist and right click than select "ipod" i only get a menu that say's "video properties".

I'm running Vista 64 so was wondering if this is my problem.
Any ideas???
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-08-01 08:22:55
Hmm.. have you tried closing foobar, removing your iPod from PC, starting foobar and then adding it back ? It usually works for me in that situation.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2009-08-01 11:36:37
Hi guys, I just found a bug, but it's probably all Apples fault and has nothing to do with the plugin.
So, I've got two different albums, from different artists with same titles ("Greatest Hits", that's why it happened. Yes, I know discs like that are crap )). When I add them to my iPod Touch 1G they merge together in the vertical browsing mode. In landscape mode everything is fine. Also, if you pick up the album out from Artists list everything is fine as well. I tried adding those albums from iTunes - iTunes library recognized them correctly, they didn't merge, but when copied to the player same problem occurred.
AFAIS, this is some internal 3.0 OS bug, but I'm not sure if this is new to 3.0 OS or existed in older firmwares. Did anyone else encountered this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-08-01 11:48:34
Yeah I noticed same and I had it in 2.x too.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rekees on 2009-08-01 14:15:12
Hey, firstly thank you very much for this plugin! It's excellent! I'm just wondering, is there a quick and easy method to deleting music off the iPod other than resynching the whole music playlist or loading itunes? Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skyfish on 2009-08-01 20:31:13
Few questions regarding the Reserved disk space (thousandth of total capacity):
1. How much reserved space is essential? Only for firmware updates, idop db, etc?
2. The default value 5  means 735 mb to my 6g 160 (147*5), which seems far too much. Can decimal points be used in the value, i.e. 0.2 etc?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-01 22:15:31
Just got an ipod and have been using foobar for years. I installed foo pod but foobar still can't detect the ipod
What actual model though?

Hi guys, I just found a bug, but it's probably all Apples fault and has nothing to do with the plugin.[...]
Yes unfortunately I've seen that kind of behaviour on a few iPod models...

Hey, firstly thank you very much for this plugin! It's excellent! I'm just wondering, is there a quick and easy method to deleting music off the iPod other than resynching the whole music playlist or loading itunes? Thanks
You need to do a 'Load library', then you can use the remove command.

Few questions regarding the Reserved disk space (thousandth of total capacity):
1. How much reserved space is essential? Only for firmware updates, idop db, etc?
2. The default value 5  means 735 mb to my 6g 160 (147*5), which seems far too much. Can decimal points be used in the value, i.e. 0.2 etc?
It might seem like a lot, but in the case where you send 160GB of tracks in one go, your artwork thumbnails will end up several hundreds of megabytes hence it would need that space. If your iPod is near full and your artwork is already all copied, you can lower the value - but it will still need space to write temporary database files. For 160GB of music the iTunesDB file will likely be in the tens of megabytes. Hence there is no need for fractional values.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skyfish on 2009-08-02 00:51:32
Thank you alot, musicmusic, it clears up now. And makes sense.

Another question that tortures me (physically*) is RG » SoundCheck. It has no effect at all (tried even -12dB) — the volume is the same regardless of SC being on or off. Looks like the SC info was not written or is not accessible.

RG is present, ipod 6g v.1.1.2, idop v.0.6.5.0, no conversions, tried both album & track, different tracks, both new ones & w. updated meta.
Any ideas maybe?

———
* 6g is too loud @ the min volume (for night audiobooks etc)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-02 01:12:45
If they are transcodes, make sure the relevant option is enabled on the conversion tab in preferences. (OK, they aren't)

You can check what has been written to the SoundCheck field in 'Manage contents'.

It does work and I also have an iPod classic... Toggling the SoundCheck option whilst listening to something is a good way to check (probably not with the volume on minimum..).

Otherwise, are you using the headphone jack or some kind of dock?

As for volume on minimum setting:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA25056 (http://support.apple.com/kb/TA25056)

(Possibly attenuation by SoundCheck suffers the same limitation and causes it to hit this limit earlier in the volume setting and maybe that's what you are seeing..)

Update: OK I've tested and yes a negative SoundCheck value will have no effect at low volume settings on an iPod classic 80GB/160GB. Unfortunately that appears to be a hardware/firmware limitation of the device. I don't know if the newer 120GB is also affected.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skyfish on 2009-08-02 02:11:39
Thank you very much for checking, I also checked further, and yes, it has nothing to do with idop, it's the firmware and SC logic.

As to that Apple solution — I thought it was a terribly rude joke when I first seen it a while ago.

» Problem: the min volume too high
« Solution: do not listen


If not your plugin, I would think of ipod as one of the most irritating buys in my life, with iTunes being the major mental shock.

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furiousDingo on 2009-08-02 18:57:49
Is there a way to sync ringtones (I believe they are .m4r files) using foo_dop?  I never really used custom ringtones before, but I found a good one and it doesn't look like foo_dop can sync it, is it because foobar2000 can't read it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-02 21:24:50
Version 0.6.5.2 released. Details in changelog.

This should be a fair bit faster at writing the SQLite database (iPhone/iPod touch).

It should also now resample/convert anything with a sample rate above 48kHz.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mig on 2009-08-02 21:49:53
Version 0.6.5.2 released. Details in changelog.

This should be a fair bit faster at writing the SQLite database (iPhone/iPod touch).

It should also now resample/convert anything with a sample rate above 48kHz.


Nice job! It is much faster now when synchronizing my iPhone and the video thumbnails are there as well.

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-02 22:38:55
Is there a way to sync ringtones (I believe they are .m4r files) using foo_dop?  I never really used custom ringtones before, but I found a good one and it doesn't look like foo_dop can sync it, is it because foobar2000 can't read it?
Hmm, I didn't even know that extension existed. Yes it needs to be recognised in foobar2000 as well as having support for it in foo_dop. (Some kind of redirector input may be possible to redirect it to the standard mp4 input, but if that safely works it would be a last resort..)

Nice job! It is much faster now when synchronizing my iPhone and the video thumbnails are there as well.

Thanks!
Great
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skyfish on 2009-08-02 23:50:49
(v.0.6.5.0) I'm seeing a small visual glitch randomly on Load Library: the Checking files for changes...  dialog freezes on full progress, and disappears only if the foobar window gets focus. I cannot find any regularity, but it is not connection or db corruption related. I blame it on my lib (27k), just because I like you too much to blame.

Anyway, it's great to see you building, I have few suggestions:

Full Sync command (source = foobar db)
— Option to suppress Checking & Waiting dialogs
— Option for Quiet Eject (pop up only on error, iPod shows the status itself)

Which would allow a 2 clicks routine for full quiet sync without wrong source accidents in Quiet mode .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furiousDingo on 2009-08-03 12:49:07
I'm having problems syncing my iPhone, I just did the security update to 3.0.1...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-03 12:54:30
Can you elaborate on what the problems are ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furiousDingo on 2009-08-03 15:09:59
Can you elaborate on what the problems are ?


I was getting an error after it synced.  I forgot to write the error down and it'll be a while until I get home from work to reproduce the error (or hopefully not).  Regardless, the iPhone shows up in itunes having no music on it and I could confirm this with explorer as well.  Foo_dop also threw errors when it was done but it worked on synchronizing and converting for a while (I was syncing 1336 songs).
This happened to me twice, both times everything looked fine while it was syncing.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-03 17:13:40
Once you have the error let me know (also check if there are any additional errors in the console). I wouldn't assume it is related to 3.0.1. Did you update foo_dop to 0.6.5.2 as it may be related to that?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-03 18:09:37
(v.0.6.5.0) I'm seeing a small visual glitch randomly on Load Library: the Checking files for changes...  dialog freezes on full progress, and disappears only if the foobar window gets focus. I cannot find any regularity, but it is not connection or db corruption related. I blame it on my lib (27k), just because I like you too much to blame.

Hi,

If it is the 'Load library' command than it doesn't do much at "Checking files for changes..." and should be quite quick if you even see it (other commands will do lots of I/O at that stage though and will take time, if it is a different command then some I/O operation may be hanging).

If it is really stuck, one thing you could do is open Task Manager, right click foobar2000.exe and click 'Create Dump File'. The resultant file should compress well using 7-Zip and you could email it to me at the address on my site. I can take a look at that then and see if I can work out what was happening at the point it was made..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furiousDingo on 2009-08-03 18:56:18
Once you have the error let me know (also check if there are any additional errors in the console). I wouldn't assume it is related to 3.0.1. Did you update foo_dop to 0.6.5.2 as it may be related to that?


I am fully updated to 0.6.5.2, that may be the problem as I didn't have this issue with 0.6.5.1 or 0.6.5.0
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furiousDingo on 2009-08-04 02:46:25
I tried it again.  I downgraded to 0.6.5.1 and did a sync and then stopped it.  That was ok and it synced a few songs, when I did a full sync I got this error:
Error writing iTunesDB file : I/O Error: AFCFileInfoOpen
returned: 3 Path was:
/iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesCDB.dop.backup

I did get 2 texts while it was syncing, could this be a problem though?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furiousDingo on 2009-08-04 02:58:49
Also, the songs from the previous quick sync are still on the iPhone, but nothing else.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sassafras on 2009-08-04 07:03:49
Hello, musicmusic, I've been carefully following the discussion here for some time. Now that I've actually had the time to get sat down with my iPhone 3G and get it working the way I want I decided to try the foo_dop plugin.

When I connect though, foobar doesn't seem to recognize the iPhone and just outputs this message in the debug window:

Quote
iPod manager: Listening for Apple mobile devices.
Audioscrobbler: Handshake successful.
iPod manager: Connected to Apple Mobile Device (DID: 2, PID: 1292, UID: 37fb774d9bea0b4db33730b85dbe8bec5f3338b2)
iPod manager: USB AMD enumerator: No devices found!
iPod manager: error: Could not locate matching USB device for Apple Mobile Device!


Any thoughts on what I may be doing wrong?'

Edit: It is probably worth noting that my phone is jailbroken and I used a non-freed version of iPhone and had no problems.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-04 07:58:15
I tried it again.  I downgraded to 0.6.5.1 and did a sync and then stopped it.  That was ok and it synced a few songs, when I did a full sync I got this error:
Error writing iTunesDB file : I/O Error: AFCFileInfoOpen returned: 3 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesCDB.dop.backup

I did get 2 texts while it was syncing, could this be a problem though?
Can you try running 'Rewrite database' which should trigger the error, and then check if /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesCDB.dop.backup exists (using some other software to browse if you need to), and if it doesn't exist put a dummy file there and run 'Rewrite database' to see if that makes any difference/triggers a different error?

The error code may also be indicating some kind of filesystem problem, in which case a restore might be worth trying..

Have a look here: http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphon...is_not_detected (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#help_my_iphone_ipod_touch_is_not_detected)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sassafras on 2009-08-04 08:32:28
Though your link would have helped, I solved my problem in a rather circuitous route on my own.

All is well that ends well anyway,

Cheers.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furiousDingo on 2009-08-06 13:45:16
Can you try running 'Rewrite database' which should trigger the error, and then check if /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesCDB.dop.backup exists (using some other software to browse if you need to), and if it doesn't exist put a dummy file there and run 'Rewrite database' to see if that makes any difference/triggers a different error?


What software would you recommend for browsing the iPhone on Windows?  Is there a way of doing this without jailbreaking?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-06 19:35:15
Hi,

Yes it is possible without jailbreaking (that's how the component and iTunes works).

It is difficult for me to recommend anything - if there was some kind of shell for foobar2000 to browse files that way I would recommend that. I might cobble something simple together at some point.

I know someone else used iPhoneExplorer. A long time ago someone used Manzana - no idea if that is still working..

Using anything like those might fall apart though depending on how good their error reporting is. My suspicion is that that file is present but something is wrong with it at the filesystem level. If it is present, if you are able to delete it that might sort it.

You could try adding the file to a playlist in foobar2000, via 'File/Add location' and seeing what happens. You would put "applemobiledevice://<UID from console>:/iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesCDB.dop.backup" (without quotes) as the path. (Alternatively you could adapt the path of a song on the device). Then if it adds, try using the delete file command on it (and check the console). You could then try changing the filename from iTunesCDB.dop.backup to something that definitely doesn't exist and comparing the results when you try the delete file command on that.

Edit: I found the proper meanings of the error codes. The meaning of code 3 seems to be "No resources are available for the requested operation". Make of it what you will....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-08-06 20:18:54
http://code.google.com/p/iphonebrowser/ (http://code.google.com/p/iphonebrowser/)
this works like a charm
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2009-08-08 01:02:57
I'm having a problem with last played and last skipped since the 24th of July (I may have updated to a new foo_dop build near or on that that date). Since then, I've had what seem like the 1. "beginning of unix time" (1970) 2. "end of unix time" (2040) 3. "beginning of iPod time" (2001) showing up in the last played and last skipped iTunes fields.

(http://imgur.com/XCHwN.png)(http://imgur.com/CbPdZ.png)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2009-08-08 08:38:04
Currently, I have this under Compilation on foo_dop: $if($stricmp($directory(%_path%,2),'Various Artists'),1,0)

How do I change that code to make it so that as well as putting mp3s I have in my Various Artists folder into compilation, it will display the tracks on my iPod as "Artist - Title" ?

Code: [Select]
Artist: 
$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),$meta(artist)),$meta(artist),$meta(album artist))

Title:
$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),$meta(artist)),$meta(title),$meta(artist) - $meta(title))

Compilation:
$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,)

That's what works fine for me - it'll map the album artist to the artist and put the artist into the track title if artist and album artist don't match; plus it'll mark all files with an album artist of "various artists" (ignoring the case) as a compilation.


Hm, I've tried using these mappings, and the result is that the only artists that appear in my artists field are those that have an %album artist% tag... Everything with just a regular %artist% tag is blank. Any ideas? Did something change in the component that would not allow for this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-08 09:26:50
I'm having a problem with last played and last skipped since the 24th of July (I may have updated to a new foo_dop build near or on that that date). Since then, I've had what seem like the 1. "beginning of unix time" (1970) 2. "end of unix time" (2040) 3. "beginning of iPod time" (2001) showing up in the last played and last skipped iTunes fields.
What model do you have, iPhone/iPod touch with 3.0 software?

Edit: It should hopefully be better in next build.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hyperb on 2009-08-08 09:39:46
Firstly, a huge thank you for the plugin. I've been using it for about two months and it had been fantastic.

One request though, would it be possible to add support for audiobooks that are in foobar compatible formats? iTunes can now sort these as audiobooks using the media kind setting.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-08 10:16:05
Anything with .m4b extension should get sent as an audiobook.

But for other files - I'll look into adding support for setting MEDIA KIND to "audiobook".
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: furiousDingo on 2009-08-08 15:32:24
Hi,

Yes it is possible without jailbreaking (that's how the component and iTunes works).

It is difficult for me to recommend anything - if there was some kind of shell for foobar2000 to browse files that way I would recommend that. I might cobble something simple together at some point.

I know someone else used iPhoneExplorer. A long time ago someone used Manzana - no idea if that is still working..

Using anything like those might fall apart though depending on how good their error reporting is. My suspicion is that that file is present but something is wrong with it at the filesystem level. If it is present, if you are able to delete it that might sort it.

You could try adding the file to a playlist in foobar2000, via 'File/Add location' and seeing what happens. You would put "applemobiledevice://<UID from console>:/iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesCDB.dop.backup" (without quotes) as the path. (Alternatively you could adapt the path of a song on the device). Then if it adds, try using the delete file command on it (and check the console). You could then try changing the filename from iTunesCDB.dop.backup to something that definitely doesn't exist and comparing the results when you try the delete file command on that.

Edit: I found the proper meanings of the error codes. The meaning of code 3 seems to be "No resources are available for the requested operation". Make of it what you will....


So I finally got around to trying your recommendations.  First I deleted that file in the iPhone and tried to resync, same thing, errors and no music.  Then I did a restore and synced, same thing errors and no music.  This is really starting to frustrate me, should I update to the latest foo_dop since I downgraded initially after having this problem on the 3rd?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-08 16:20:03
Strange, I don't see any changes in latest version that could cause that. Please see your PM... Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-09 11:09:42
0.6.5.3 released.

This adds support for setting any audio file as an audiobook by setting the MEDIA KIND field to "audiobook". I tested it on my iPod classic, though I know behaviours can vary between models so please report back if you have any issues with it..

I also added support for converting files above a set bitrate.

I'm having a problem with last played and last skipped since the 24th of July (I may have updated to a new foo_dop build near or on that that date). Since then, I've had what seem like the 1. "beginning of unix time" (1970) 2. "end of unix time" (2040) 3. "beginning of iPod time" (2001) showing up in the last played and last skipped iTunes fields.
Can you let me know if you get any more tracks showing up with funny dates with the new version? Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hyperb on 2009-08-09 14:09:15
0.6.5.3 released.
This adds support for setting any audio file as an audiobook by setting the MEDIA KIND field to "audiobook".


Fantastic, thank you for this. Works like a charm.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-08-09 15:12:43
Quote
This adds support for setting any audio file as an audiobook by setting the MEDIA KIND field to "audiobook".


Sadly does not work on an iPod Touch with OS 3.0

Edit M4B's show up under Audiobooks, MP3's don't
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-09 16:20:02
If you set Media Kind in iTunes for an mp3 to Audiobook, and send that over using iTunes, that shows up in the right place? If that is right, if you can send me a backup of iTunes Library.itlp folder from the iPod with the working mp3 audiobook then I can have a look.. Thanks

(You took out the quotes, right?)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-08-09 16:33:12
If you set Media Kind in iTunes for an mp3 to Audiobook, and send that over using iTunes, that shows up in the right place? If that is right, if you can send me a backup of iTunes Library.itlp folder from the iPod with the working mp3 audiobook then I can have a look.. Thanks

(You took out the quotes, right?)


Ah, don't have iTunes on my laptop, will try it out on my desktop later, does it have to be done via iTunes btw, what about Mp3Tag?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-09 16:43:51
Well the point is to check why it didn't work when you sent it using foo_dop, MP3Tag doesn't help with that.

But you did set MEDIA KIND in foobar2000 to audiobook in the track's properties before sending, right?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-08-09 16:50:06
Well the point is to check why it didn't work when you sent it using foo_dop, MP3Tag doesn't help with that.

But you did set MEDIA KIND in foobar2000 to audiobook in the track's properties before sending, right?


Yes, I created a new tag called "MEDIA TYPE" set it to "audiobook" then sent it to my iPod Touch
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-09 16:53:31
Ah, but MEDIA TYPE or MEDIA KIND ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-08-09 16:57:03
Oh, silly me, that worked :S
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-09 17:00:33
Great

(It should probably be TYPE rather than KIND but I used Apple/iTunes terminology when I chose that field name some time ago...)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-08-09 17:12:49


BTW Is it possible to do the same thing with podcasts?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2009-08-09 17:16:12
Hi musicmusic,

I had no problems with the Classic. All went very well, but when I tried with a 4G v3.1.1, they show in iTunes in the Audiobook folder which is great, but do not show as an audiobook on the iPod. In the Audiobook screen, it is a blank (I have no other audiobooks on the 4G iPod).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-09 17:27:10
BTW Is it possible to do the same thing with podcasts?
They are a bit more complicated unfortunately..

Hi musicmusic,

I had no problems with the Classic. All went very well, but when I tried with a 4G v3.1.1, they show in iTunes in the Audiobook folder which is great, but do not show as an audiobook on the iPod. In the Audiobook screen, it is a blank (I have no other audiobooks on the 4G iPod).
Similar question, if you set an mp3 as an audiobook in iTunes (under Get Info/Options) does that show up correctly when you send it over?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2009-08-09 17:38:03
I have the same issue with iTunes. The mp3's are sent over as audiobooks, but they do not show as such on the iPod. Can I assume then that v3.1.1 cannot handle mp3's as audiobooks?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-09 17:40:07
If it doesn't work with iTunes, then unfortunately it would seem so.. Do they appear anywhere though when sent with foo_dop or iTunes? If the iTunes ones show up in the normal music menu, but the foo_dop ones don't I will have to change that on my side so the foo_dop ones show up there at least instead.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: drbeachboy on 2009-08-09 17:56:04
They show as regular "Music" files (Artist, Album, etc.) when sent by iTunes and foo_dop. So, there is no issue in that regard.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: T3hFurious1 on 2009-08-10 02:02:31
I'm having an issue enabling disk use in itunes, I check off the box and hit apply, iTunes then freezes for 3-5 minutes and then comes back up. The button stays checked so I check my computer and the iPod still doesn not show up as an external disk. I eject the ipod, close itunes. Unplug the ipod, plug it back in and itunes opens up again with the setting unchecked and it is still not showing in my computer.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-08-10 14:20:24
BTW Is it possible to do the same thing with podcasts?
They are a bit more complicated unfortunately..


Shame, do you plan on looking into implementing this feature?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: hdbngrsunt on 2009-08-12 01:23:06
I have an iPhone 3gs and when i plug it in, foobar says

"Startup time : 0:00.516160
iPod manager: Listening for Apple mobile devices.
iPod manager: Connected to Apple Mobile Device
iPod manager: USB AMD enumerator: Found USB\VID_05AC&PID_1294\60E0C5D640BCC6C39A819B9305344D5754BBA610
iPod manager: Apple Mobile Device: detected SQLiteDB: true
iPod manager: Apple Mobile Device: detected DBVersion: 4
iPod manager: Got 58 post process SQL commands
iPod manager: Apple iPod/iPhone connected. Device Instance Path: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1294\60E0C5D640BCC6C39A819B9305344D5754BBA610"

But when I try to sync it, it tells me i need to install/reinstall mobildevicesign library.  I have windows, and went in to try and stop and start apple mobile device services, did that, and still i can't connect my iphone to foobar.  I read everything on the topic using the help section that has been popping up in this forum but still can't seem to get it to work. I have zlib1.dll in foobar and it should all work right but doesnt.  Help?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: willardjuice on 2009-08-12 01:38:07
Does the palm pre work with this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-12 07:51:40
They show as regular "Music" files (Artist, Album, etc.) when sent by iTunes and foo_dop. So, there is no issue in that regard.
OK, I will leave it as is then. Thanks.

I'm having an issue enabling disk use in itunes, I check off the box and hit apply, iTunes then freezes for 3-5 minutes and then comes back up. The button stays checked so I check my computer and the iPod still doesn not show up as an external disk. I eject the ipod, close itunes. Unplug the ipod, plug it back in and itunes opens up again with the setting unchecked and it is still not showing in my computer.
Checked the Windows event log for any messages?

Shame, do you plan on looking into implementing this feature?
Not at the moment, sorry..

I have an iPhone 3gs and when i plug it in, foobar says

[..]

But when I try to sync it, it tells me i need to install/reinstall mobildevicesign library.
Have another look at the download page..

Does the palm pre work with this?
Good question.. As far as I can find out they are currently using VID 0x05ac , PID 0x8002. That won't work because the component looks for specific PID ranges.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Freaky Dug on 2009-08-13 12:56:00
When I send/sync music to my iPod Touch 2G with foo_dop it resets the listened/unlistened data for every podcast on the iPod. Is there any way to stop this happening?

I tried updating to 0.6.5.3, hoping it was one of the bug fixes mentioned in the changelog, but it has not fixed it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Mangust on 2009-08-13 14:54:50
I try to insert some information about track in Library.itdb and Location.itdb, upload to my iphone 3.0 with iphonebrowser and i lose content of all music(((... musicmusic, will you tell me how do you insert information's track in Library.itdb and Location.itdb?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2009-08-13 20:38:53
I'm having a problem with last played and last skipped since the 24th of July (I may have updated to a new foo_dop build near or on that that date). Since then, I've had what seem like the 1. "beginning of unix time" (1970) 2. "end of unix time" (2040) 3. "beginning of iPod time" (2001) showing up in the last played and last skipped iTunes fields.
What model do you have, iPhone/iPod touch with 3.0 software?

Edit: It should hopefully be better in next build.


I rebuilt from a fresh database, deleted using iPhone Explorer, rebuilt using foo_dop. This worked for a couple days, but after I updated the metadata or after I sent a playlist (not sure), I started getting last skipped times from 1/1/2001 again. These are tracks that have never been skipped.

I noticed a bug in the newest build. The sound check adjustment box is blank, but the arrows still seem to increment.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-13 23:25:34
When I send/sync music to my iPod Touch 2G with foo_dop it resets the listened/unlistened data for every podcast on the iPod. Is there any way to stop this happening?

I tried updating to 0.6.5.3, hoping it was one of the bug fixes mentioned in the changelog, but it has not fixed it.
Hi,
If you could make a backup of iTunes_Control\iTunes when a podcast is correctly showing as played, and then again when it is broken, then I could have a look and hopefully find the problem.. Thanks

I try to insert some information about track in Library.itdb and Location.itdb, upload to my iphone 3.0 with iphonebrowser and i lose content of all music(((... musicmusic, will you tell me how do you insert information's track in Library.itdb and Location.itdb?
The cbk file needs updating for one...

I rebuilt from a fresh database, deleted using iPhone Explorer, rebuilt using foo_dop. This worked for a couple days, but after I updated the metadata or after I sent a playlist (not sure), I started getting last skipped times from 1/1/2001 again. These are tracks that have never been skipped.
OK, I found another source of funny dates. Hopefully you won't get any more with the next build...

I noticed a bug in the newest build. The sound check adjustment box is blank, but the arrows still seem to increment.
Oops, fixed for next build, thanks for the report.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Freaky Dug on 2009-08-14 15:01:04
When I send/sync music to my iPod Touch 2G with foo_dop it resets the listened/unlistened data for every podcast on the iPod. Is there any way to stop this happening?

I tried updating to 0.6.5.3, hoping it was one of the bug fixes mentioned in the changelog, but it has not fixed it.
Hi,
If you could make a backup of iTunes_Control\iTunes when a podcast is correctly showing as played, and then again when it is broken, then I could have a look and hopefully find the problem.. Thanks


Thanks for replying.

This (http://www.molecule.plus.com/iTunes_before.zip) is the iTunes folder just after having listened through a Downloadable Content Podcast called lookouts(most of my other podcasts are still broken from the last sync) and this (http://www.molecule.plus.com/iTunes_after.zip) is the folder after using iPod Manager to delete some playlists from the Touch. I think that's what you were asking for, but if not, let me know and I'll try again.

EDIT: I should probably also mention that the iPod does remember the time I was at in Podcasts I had listened part of the way through.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-14 17:50:26
Thanks - I've found the probable problem. I will work on a fix for the next build. You can take those links down if you wish.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-14 20:53:23
Freaky Dug: Are these Podcasts downloaded through iTunes or directly on your iPod? Also what firmware version, 2.2.x?

[edit]
I've uploaded 0.6.5.4.

Freaky Dug: Let me know if this helps with your problem.
Dr_Colossus: After the first write using it (alternatively remove everything and start again), let me know if you get any more broken dates.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Freaky Dug on 2009-08-15 12:36:44
Freaky Dug: Are these Podcasts downloaded through iTunes or directly on your iPod? Also what firmware version, 2.2.x?

[edit]
I've uploaded 0.6.5.4.

Freaky Dug: Let me know if this helps with your problem.
Dr_Colossus: After the first write using it (alternatively remove everything and start again), let me know if you get any more broken dates.


That hasn't fixed it, unfortunately. These are podcasts download directly on my iPod, and I'm using 2.2.x.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-15 14:31:57
Hmm, OK.

One problem then is I don't think the component will know about any Podcasts downloaded directly on the device. The info must be stored someplace. After downloading a podcast on the device, can you have a look around and see if any relevant (non-audio) files appear in either the iTunes_Control\iTunes, Podcasts or the Purchases directory (that weren't in your last backup)? Could be StorePurchasesInfo.plist or something else... Make sure you check before opening iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Freaky Dug on 2009-08-15 15:08:28
I may have found something. Podcasts which are showing up as listened to have an entry in PlayCounts.plist(in iTunes_Control\iTunes), with the playedState key set to 1. Unlistened Podcasts do not appear, or at least I can find their trackPersistantID.

After syncing with iPod Manager, the PlayCounts.plist file has disappeared and all Podcasts are showing as unlistened, even the ones that I was part way through listening to. The file reappears after I scan through a Podcast so the iPod see it as listened, but is missing all the Podcast keys that were in it before I synced.

There are a lot of entries in the PlayCounts.plist file, but I can't find their persistant IDs in the Podcasts TrackData.plist. I can't find a file linking music files to persistant IDs so I don't know if these entries are for music or something else.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-15 15:55:17
Yes, played tracks since last sync are marked as such in the PlayCounts.plist file. foo_dop is supposed to merge that into the iTunesDB - that part should be working OK now. If foo_dop can't match an entry in there to the iTunesDB database it should print a message in the foobar2000 console.

In the backups you sent me, the first iTunesDB seemed to be written by iTunes - it had some podcasts in there in a section I hadn't seen before, and those entries were therefore being removed by foo_dop. That should be sorted in 0.6.5.4.

There still remains the question of how podcasts downloaded on the device end up in the iTunesDB database. That TrackData.plist might be interesting - it doesn't seem to be directly read by iTunes but still might be relevant. Could you upload it?


Anyway, one other test you could do (to eliminate any factors relating to downloading podcasts on the device) is:
-Add a podcast using iTunes, close iTunes & disconnect the device
-Start playing the same podcast on the device to remove its unplayed marker
-Connect the iPod to the computer & backup the iTunes_Control\iTunes folder
-Run 'File/iPod/Rewrite database' in foo_dop 0.6.5.4
-Backup the iTunes_Control\iTunes folder again

If after all that the state of the podcast has gone back to unplayed, then if you upload those two backups I can have a look at what is going on after the changes in 0.6.5.4. Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Freaky Dug on 2009-08-15 19:53:34
Here's (http://www.molecule.plus.com/htdocs/TrackData.plist) TrackData.plist.

I'll try what you suggested, assuming I can get iTunes to stop freezing up as soon as I do anything with it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-15 23:02:33
Thanks for that, it's an interesting file..

It looks a bit like you've ended up with several entries of the same podcasts. Maybe that's why the PlayCounts.plist file had so many entries.. I could be wrong on that, though.

Anyway, I did a bit of digging and I think /Podcasts/StorePurchasesInfo.plist is the file which tracks the podcasts downloaded on the device since last sync. Unfortunately merging that back into the iTunesDB is not going to be that straightforward, so if you download any podcasts directly on the device, I'm going to have to advise that you use iTunes to merge them back in to the database.

But you did have podcasts in your original iTunesDB - so there are several factors involved here.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Freaky Dug on 2009-08-16 20:22:55
Something has rendered my iPod incapable of communicating with iTunes without causing it to either freeze up or crash. It stills work perfectly with foo_dop. I can't find any way to fix this without wiping my iPod, which I don't want to do because it's not backed up and it works fine otherwise. The upshot of this is I can't try adding a podcast using iTunes and I can't see if using iTunes before foo_dop saves the listening data.

Thanks for trying to solve the podcast problem, anyway.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zhelkus on 2009-08-18 06:19:18
Hi. I'm new on the forum, I just wanted to show my appreciation for this plugin by posting on this thread  . There's something that's troubling me tho... the first time I sent a file to my iPod all the playlists were moved out of their folders and ended up in the "root dir" with every other playlist. Is this supposed to happen?

Also, do you think you could implement drag and drop in "File -> iPod -> Manage contents"? I was trying to move all my playlists back to where they were but they don't budge...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-18 07:57:22
Something has rendered my iPod incapable of communicating with iTunes without causing it to either freeze up or crash.
Oh, OK. Have you been trying to use iTunes before that at all? The iTunesDB in the iTunes_before archive did look like it was written by iTunes (even if the UI is frozen, it could still be writing the database in the background).

There's something that's troubling me tho... the first time I sent a file to my iPod all the playlists were moved out of their folders and ended up in the "root dir" with every other playlist. Is this supposed to happen?
Well, no  What model and firmware version are you using? Do the folders still show up in 'Manage contents'? Did you originally create these folders with iTunes/were you using another iPod manager before?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Borszczuk on 2009-08-18 16:54:05
Is there any plan to support on-the-fly file splitting while synchronizing .cue files?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Borszczuk on 2009-08-18 17:04:31
I think I found a small bug (sort of) in foo_dop:

- add music file (i.e. C:\file.mp3) to playlist you sync with ipod (i.e. X)
- sync ipod
- remove c:\file.mp3 from the playlist X
- add again C:\file.mp3 to playlist X
- start the sync

now foo_dop will list it going to remove file.mp3 from ipod and then add file.mp3. Could it be possible to do nothing in such case?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zhelkus on 2009-08-18 21:22:22
Well, no  What model and firmware version are you using? Do the folders still show up in 'Manage contents'? Did you originally create these folders with iTunes/were you using another iPod manager before?

I'm using the 6thG Classic, 80GB. Dunno why it happened, this is the first time I use a third-party manager for the device. Yes, they still appear in manage contents. I'll try moving some playlists back with iTunes and try it again. I'll keep you updated.

Any chance you could...

Also, do you think you could implement drag and drop in "File -> iPod -> Manage contents"? I was trying to move all my playlists back to where they were but they don't budge...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-18 23:09:15
Is there any plan to support on-the-fly file splitting while synchronizing .cue files?
For iPod supported types - not too straight forward splitting them properly unfortunately..

I think I found a small bug (sort of) in foo_dop:

- add music file (i.e. C:\file.mp3) to playlist you sync with ipod (i.e. X)
- sync ipod
- remove c:\file.mp3 from the playlist X
- add again C:\file.mp3 to playlist X
- start the sync

now foo_dop will list it going to remove file.mp3 from ipod and then add file.mp3. Could it be possible to do nothing in such case?
It wouldn't have anything directly to do with removing it and readding it to the playlist in between syncs. Either something else changed with the file (modified in any way, check last modified date), or otherwise something is broken and it always happens.

I'm using the 6thG Classic, 80GB. Dunno why it happened, this is the first time I use a third-party manager for the device. Yes, they still appear in manage contents. I'll try moving some playlists back with iTunes and try it again. I'll keep you updated.
Strange then, I have same model. If you used the Sync command then it might make sense. But I don't see any reason for it with 'Send to iPod', especially if we are saying the folders are still present in 'Manage contents' but the playlists have moved out. If you come across it again, make a backup of iPod_Control\iTunes\iTunesDB and iTunesDB.dop.backup so I can have a look.

Indeed, as long as iTunes is in manually sync music mode, you can use it to move the playlists into the folders - but be warned I couldn't see anyway to move them back to root level, nor create new folders directly on the iPod.

Any chance you could...

Also, do you think you could implement drag and drop in "File -> iPod -> Manage contents"? I was trying to move all my playlists back to where they were but they don't budge...
It's needed I know.. Unfortunately everything takes time to implement
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Borszczuk on 2009-08-19 00:54:11
Is there any plan to support on-the-fly file splitting while synchronizing .cue files?

For iPod supported types - not too straight forward splitting them properly unfortunately..

I do not mind some cracks - still better than syncing one monolith mp3 file

It wouldn't have anything directly to do with removing it and readding it to the playlist in between syncs. Either something else changed with the file (modified in any way, check last modified date), or otherwise something is broken and it always happens.

There might be. I will investigate further as I also noticed that I can sync, not change anything, try to sync again and foo_dop detects changes (some files to be removed and some to be added). And that could be done forever (the same files are listed over and over again).

BTW: is "Album Artist" respected? I recall I could have i.e. track1 by artist X, track 2 by artist Y set their Album Artist to Z and after sync both tracks would be listed under artist Z. It does not seem to work here (and it would be handly I do not want Compilation to be used in such case).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-19 08:56:04
There might be. I will investigate further as I also noticed that I can sync, not change anything, try to sync again and foo_dop detects changes (some files to be removed and some to be added). And that could be done forever (the same files are listed over and over again).
The component looks at three things:
1. File size
2. Last modified time
3. Certain metadata fields

1. will only break down if the file is modified
3. will break down if the file is modified or you transcode to some untaggable format (e.g. raw AAC) or the tag format causes some differences
2. will break down if there are modifications. But it also can be problematic as times are not stored in UTC in FAT, also resolutions can differ...

So, where are your source files stored, what OS are you using, and what iPod model?

BTW: is "Album Artist" respected? I recall I could have i.e. track1 by artist X, track 2 by artist Y set their Album Artist to Z and after sync both tracks would be listed under artist Z. It does not seem to work here (and it would be handly I do not want Compilation to be used in such case).
It's used in some places by the iPod but not everywhere. If you have issues you could remap it into the Artist field.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-08-19 14:37:14
I remember reading somewhere in this thread that the ipod firmware had some limitations with the sound check. Something about the volume being too low. Does anyone have more data on this? Also, I remember noticing that the replay-gain conversion was broken and now it is fixed with 0.6.5.4, should I still be having issues with this? I have an 3rd Gen iPod Nano, should I have Sound Check enabled in the settings on the iPod or does the sound check data apply to the files that is sent and enabling sound check has adverse effects?

I am a bit confused to say the least and just trying to narrow down my problem, if I do have one, LOL.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-19 19:59:37
I remember reading somewhere in this thread that the ipod firmware had some limitations with the sound check. Something about the volume being too low. Does anyone have more data on this?
Doesn't relate to the Nano 3G as far as I am aware. See FAQ for more information or go back a few pages here..

Also, I remember noticing that the replay-gain conversion was broken and now it is fixed with 0.6.5.4, should I still be having issues with this?
That was just the UI for the adjustment setting in preferences.

I have an 3rd Gen iPod Nano, should I have Sound Check enabled in the settings on the iPod or does the sound check data apply to the files that is sent and enabling sound check has adverse effects?
You need to enable the option.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Borszczuk on 2009-08-19 22:58:25
So, where are your source files stored, what OS are you using, and what iPod model?

I keep my music files on remote server (linux one to be exact) which exports its shares over Samba (SMB) so I can have it mapped to
windows' disk.

BTW: is "Album Artist" respected? I recall I could have i.e. track1 by artist X, track 2 by artist Y set their Album Artist to Z and after sync both tracks would be listed under artist Z. It does not seem to work here (and it would be handly I do not want Compilation to be used in such case).
It's used in some places by the iPod but not everywhere. If you have issues you could remap it into the Artist field.

That's not the solution as (I believe) it would pollute my scrobbles?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-19 23:12:05
So, where are your source files stored, what OS are you using, and what iPod model?

I keep my music files on remote server (linux one to be exact) which exports its shares over Samba (SMB) so I can have it mapped to
windows' disk.
Ah, I thought that could be the case. I will try and do some testing on this...

That's not the solution as (I believe) it would pollute my scrobbles?
The remapping is done in the iPod database only - doesn't have anything to do with last.fm scrobbling if you do it via foobar2000 (foo_audioscrobbler). I can't really change how the iPod works anyway...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Borszczuk on 2009-08-20 00:26:53
I keep my music files on remote server (linux one to be exact) which exports its shares over Samba (SMB) so I can have it mapped to
windows' disk.
Ah, I thought that could be the case. I will try and do some testing on this...


Could it also be the culprit why foo_dop does not see I added some new files to the playlist to be synced? Playlist i sync holds 546 tracks. Syncing shows nothing to sync but imported "iPod View" (via Load Library) lists counts 525 tracks only.

PS: thanks for foo_dop and freeing me from shitty itunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-20 13:15:52
I wouldn't have thought so. Does the playlist have any duplicates at all? Maybe you could compare and see which tracks are missing..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: haX0R on 2009-08-20 20:05:02
Hi,

I am trying to get the compilations function to work

$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,)


and discovered that my albums, compilations or otherwise, have a blank %album artist% tag. The mp3s where ripped in eac and the various artists option was ticked there for compilations during ripping

is there  a workaround to this please?


ipod manager 0.6.4.2
nano 4g 1.03
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-20 22:09:20
Set Album Artist to Various Artists for any various artist albums? If you have some other non-VA types of compilations as well, you will need to adjust the mapping depending on your needs.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: haX0R on 2009-08-21 15:18:35
Hi,

I prefer not to change the tags. However i have an idea:- my mp3's are named as:

non compilation:    Artist - Album - Tracknumber - Songtitle.mp3
compilation:          Album - Tracknumber - Artist - Songtitle.mp3

if
$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,)

could be changed to:

if first "part" of mp3 filename = %Album% tag then set as compilation.


Is this possible?

thank you
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-21 17:11:06
The contents of path fields there are undefined, therefore I wouldn't recommend it.

Fixing your tags is the best/correct solution.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: itisljar on 2009-08-22 17:35:09
Hello all,

It's 92 pages now, hard to search. I've read that foo_dop can't add album art if you are not administrator, and the iTunes use a service to add album art under non-admin users; I guess that you can't use iTunes's service, but is it possible to write system service which will enable foo_dop to copy album art on iPod? Currently using iPod Touch 2G, works very well with the plugin.
Thank you for witing the plugin, and keep up the good work, I appreciate it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-22 18:15:57
Only affects Windows XP/2003 and standard iPod models (not touch/iPhone). Therefore it's mostly irrelevant.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Borszczuk on 2009-08-23 09:32:40
That's not the solution as (I believe) it would pollute my scrobbles?
The remapping is done in the iPod database only - doesn't have anything to do with last.fm scrobbling if you do it via foobar2000 (foo_audioscrobbler). I can't really change how the iPod works anyway...


Ok, so I tried the following rule:

Artist  $if($meta(album artist),$meta(album artist),$meta(artist))

my intention was to have sort of "compilations" under lead artist w/o need of setting Compilation bit. So I wanted  "Album artist" to be used as  "Artist" if present or keep "Artist" unchanged otherwise. While this rule nicely works for custom column display, it does not seem to remap anything. Any hints?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Borszczuk on 2009-08-23 09:49:51
I am trying to get the compilations function to work
$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,)
and discovered that my albums, compilations or otherwise, have a blank %album artist% tag. The mp3s where ripped in eac and the various artists option was ticked there for compilations during ripping
is there  a workaround to this please?


What do recently here is this:

$if($stricmp($meta(IPOD_COMPILATION),1),1,)

this requires me to manually tag all the compilations with IPOD_COMPILATION = 1, but a) this makes my files tagged the way iTunes does, b) I can have compilation without the need to set album artist to "various artists" which i sometimes dislike (i.e. dj mixes keep DJ name in album artists here).


@musicmusic: could we have more fields to define mapping rules? I.e. I'd like to have compilation bit set based on many conditions and while I'd write complex $if() stataments, it would help to be able to define any number of mappings for certain fields.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Borszczuk on 2009-08-23 10:07:33
It's 92 pages now, hard to search.

Do agree. Having all the subjects discussed in one thread instead on sub-forum is pretty painful.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-23 10:40:57
Ok, so I tried the following rule:

Artist  $if($meta(album artist),$meta(album artist),$meta(artist))

my intention was to have sort of "compilations" under lead artist w/o need of setting Compilation bit. So I wanted  "Album artist" to be used as  "Artist" if present or keep "Artist" unchanged otherwise. While this rule nicely works for custom column display, it does not seem to remap anything. Any hints?
I think you would do better just putting %album artist% for the artist mapping and maybe [%track artist% - ]%title% for the title mapping.

See http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?ti...erence#Metadata (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Foobar2000:Title_Formatting_Reference#Metadata)

To update the existing files on your iPod, you would have to run Load library, then select them all and run 'Update metadata'.

What do recently here is this:

$if($stricmp($meta(IPOD_COMPILATION),1),1,)

this requires me to manually tag all the compilations with IPOD_COMPILATION = 1, but a) this makes my files tagged the way iTunes does, b) I can have compilation without the need to set album artist to "various artists" which i sometimes dislike (i.e. dj mixes keep DJ name in album artists here).
Not sure why you can't just use $if($meta_test(IPOD_COMPILATION),1,) - unless you have some blank fields or 0 values. You could just leave it blank though because that field is actually what you are remapping.

@musicmusic: could we have more fields to define mapping rules? I.e. I'd like to have compilation bit set based on many conditions and while I'd write complex $if() stataments, it would help to be able to define any number of mappings for certain fields.
But what are these many conditions? I don't think having multiple remappings for one field is the solution.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Borszczuk on 2009-08-23 13:18:04
@musicmusic: could we have more fields to define mapping rules? I.e. I'd like to have compilation bit set based on many conditions and while I'd write complex $if() stataments, it would help to be able to define any number of mappings for certain fields.
But what are these many conditions? I don't think having multiple remappings for one field is the solution.

Id like to have compilation set to 1 if either IPOD_COMPILATION is set to 1 or album artist is "Various Artists" or album artist is "VA". I can write if/else, but having multiple mappings would help a bit. Not critical though.

BTW:

couple of feature requests:

- please move "Synchronise..." to the top of menu - it's most often used item (any keyboard shortcut possible?
- please make "Errors occured updating your ipod" windows sizeable (no reason to keep it fixed size)
- i just faced some "failed to add gapless data for file: error parsing file. file may be corrupt" errors. The problem is that column "File" lists ipod files and I am barely able to guess what the "J:\iPod_control\music\F85\2.02-Ag.mp3" really is without digging there. Would if be possible to display also full path of the file it's related to on the desktop?
- context menu with "Copy" for at least file path (in the above error window) would help
- IMHO: if there's no file to add/remove preview window shall not open (or at least "Continue" shall be disabled)
- could the sync progress window show ETA?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2009-08-24 21:04:58
I have an issue to report. Apparently OS 3.0 on my iPod Touch 1G isn't very good with recognizing compilations. When I upload albums with Various Artists to the device they are displayed correctly in the vertical mode. However, when switched to landscape mode, each artist from the album is displayed separately. This results in having 10-15 same album covers for each artist on the album.
To correct this I'll need to start up iTunes and check all these tracks as "part of a compilation".
Can this be implemented in foo_dop?
Also, I must note that this problem didn't occur in earlier firmwares. Previously albums like these, when turned to landscape mode, would simply have the first artist on the album displayed, instead of "Various Artists".
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-24 22:25:54
- please move "Synchronise..." to the top of menu - it's most often used item (any keyboard shortcut possible?
- please make "Errors occured updating your ipod" windows sizeable (no reason to keep it fixed size)
- i just faced some "failed to add gapless data for file: error parsing file. file may be corrupt" errors. The problem is that column "File" lists ipod files and I am barely able to guess what the "J:\iPod_control\music\F85\2.02-Ag.mp3" really is without digging there. Would if be possible to display also full path of the file it's related to on the desktop?
- context menu with "Copy" for at least file path (in the above error window) would help
- IMHO: if there's no file to add/remove preview window shall not open (or at least "Continue" shall be disabled)
- could the sync progress window show ETA?
1. I think 2nd and 3rd sections should probably be swapped. You can assign it to a keyboard shortcut yourself, alternatively you could consider adding it to a buttons toolbar.
2. Yes I will change that
3. It could do so for most cases, yes I will make some changes here
5. The playlists may also be changed and those changes aren't listed. Changes to playlists aren't tracked; they are simply recreated. That would be the difference between Continue and Stop in that case.
6. It could but I would probably spend far too much time trying to make it accurate  There can be a lot of processes involved, so I will leave it as is for now..

I have an issue to report. Apparently OS 3.0 on my iPod Touch 1G isn't very good with recognizing compilations. When I upload albums with Various Artists to the device they are displayed correctly in the vertical mode. However, when switched to landscape mode, each artist from the album is displayed separately. This results in having 10-15 same album covers for each artist on the album.
To correct this I'll need to start up iTunes and check all these tracks as "part of a compilation".
Can this be implemented in foo_dop?
Also, I must note that this problem didn't occur in earlier firmwares. Previously albums like these, when turned to landscape mode, would simply have the first artist on the album displayed, instead of "Various Artists".
Hi Dereks,
If "part of a compilation" isn't check in iTunes, it might be that the files aren't being flagged as compilations. Could you add the compilation mapping from preferences into a column just to check the correct tracks do get a '1'?

Otherwise, could you make a backup of the iTunes_Control\iTunes folder before and after fixing an album (wait a bit after closing iTunes to allow it to finish writing)? Also, do the tracks you edit in iTunes stick (i.e. continue to show correctly after using foo_dop)?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Borszczuk on 2009-08-25 07:38:51
If I play track X (on iPod) many times and the try to scrobble it is scrobbled as I've played it once instead of real number of plays. Whos fault is this? foo_dop or audioscrobbler plugin? last.fm tool scrobbles it correctly
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2009-08-25 08:27:17
Hi Dereks,
If "part of a compilation" isn't check in iTunes, it might be that the files aren't being flagged as compilations. Could you add the compilation mapping from preferences into a column just to check the correct tracks do get a '1'?

Otherwise, could you make a backup of the iTunes_Control\iTunes folder before and after fixing an album (wait a bit after closing iTunes to allow it to finish writing)? Also, do the tracks you edit in iTunes stick (i.e. continue to show correctly after using foo_dop)?


What I currently have in compilation column looks like that:

[blockquote]$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,)[/blockquote]

After setting "part of compilation" to 1 in iTunes nothing wrong happens, except artwork is being lost. However, all tracks continue to display correctly in foobar and lost artwork is easily recovered through "update artwork" option.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-25 08:50:42
If I play track X (on iPod) many times and the try to scrobble it is scrobbled as I've played it once instead of real number of plays. Whos fault is this? foo_dop or audioscrobbler plugin? last.fm tool scrobbles it correctly
See http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=642617 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=642617)

What I currently have in compilation column looks like that:

[blockquote]$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,)[/blockquote]
Can you add it to a column in your playlist view temporarily (or whatever method you prefer) just to check the relevant tracks do get a 1? Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2009-08-25 16:17:15
Can you add it to a column in your playlist view temporarily (or whatever method you prefer) just to check the relevant tracks do get a 1? Thanks


Well, I did that. Compilation column remains just empty (i put the line into "display" tab, if this matters).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-25 17:23:05
Do the relevant tracks have ALBUM ARTIST set to Various Artists in their properties in foobar2000 then?

The mapping script needs to output 1 for any compilation tracks, otherwise they won't get flagged up as compilations in the iPod/iPhone database.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2009-08-25 17:53:05
Do the relevant tracks have ALBUM ARTIST set to Various Artists in their properties in foobar2000 then?

The mapping script needs to output 1 for any compilation tracks, otherwise they won't get flagged up as compilations in the iPod/iPhone database.


Oh. Case dismissed. I thought this stuff worked automatically. Yeah, Album Artist field was empty - after correction everything worked smoothly.
Thanks for help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: blorbx on 2009-08-26 23:18:40
Hi, love the plugin.  One problem I've been having with the new version though -- after setting MEDIA KIND to "Audiobook" as well as IPOD_REMEMBER_PLAYBACK_POSITION to 1, the file, after being sent to my iPhone is sent correctly to the Audiobook section, but does not retain the 'remember playback position' property.  I need to manually go into manage iPod and click the checkbox.  If I don't set MEDIA KIND to audiobook and send the same file, it correctly checks the remember playback option.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-26 23:35:17
Hi,

It's not supposed to be necessary to do anything extra to get that behaviour on audiobooks. Could you confirm the file type, and I will fix it for next build. Also is that software 3.0.x?

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Mangust on 2009-08-28 08:40:30
Hi,

It's not supposed to be necessary to do anything extra to get that behaviour on audiobooks. Could you confirm the file type, and I will fix it for next build. Also is that software 3.0.x?

Thanks


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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: arryo on 2009-08-30 14:06:49
Hi, I love this plug in. It saves me some times with Itunes. But I have a quick question that is there anyway that I can convert to Apple lossless format instead of to AAC?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sassafras on 2009-08-30 19:13:32
No. Not really. AAC above about q .65 should be transparent enough (and many would say you don't even need that much). To be honest, I have never found the reproduction of any of the iPods or iPhone to be very accurate anyway. They sound nice, but by no means does lossless help over a high q value NeroAAC encode. Save yourself the space and listen to AAC. If you're really not convinced, I can mock up a nice couple of samples that you can A/B/X test to prove it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2009-08-31 18:37:47
Small bug to report. Smart playlists that are filtered by the playlist value don't use strings. So a playlist "not skipped" shows up as an integer in the smart playlist edit dialog.

(http://imgur.com/d9BvA.png)

I haven't had any problems with odd dates since the last build. I'm wondering though if you have any advice for when play counts and skip counts stop getting logged by my iphone. It seems as though the database gets corrupt.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-08-31 21:54:09
Small bug to report. Smart playlists that are filtered by the playlist value don't use strings. So a playlist "not skipped" shows up as an integer in the smart playlist edit dialog.
Sorry, I guess I never finished up that rule. I'll try and sort it in one of the next builds..

I haven't had any problems with odd dates since the last build. I'm wondering though if you have any advice for when play counts and skip counts stop getting logged by my iphone. It seems as though the database gets corrupt.
If you open iTunes before doing some write action with foo_dop, iTunes would merge the plays into the database. Otherwise foo_dop would do it. If foo_dop has an issue doing it, it might log something in the console. You can check the existence and contents of PlayCounts.plist in the iTunes_Control\iTunes folder before using iTunes or foo_dop to check if anything has being logged (it will be removed after using either though).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: blorbx on 2009-09-02 03:21:09
Hi,

It's not supposed to be necessary to do anything extra to get that behaviour on audiobooks. Could you confirm the file type, and I will fix it for next build. Also is that software 3.0.x?

Thanks


The filetype is an mp3. I've been uploading podcasts as audiobooks to use the speedup and quick rewind features, as well as to keep them out of my shuffle.  I'm using an iPhone 1st gen with 3.0.1 firmware.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: armin on 2009-09-02 21:40:13
awesome plugin!
is there any way to import playlists from the iphone?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gob on 2009-09-03 03:35:21
Hi,

So I got a new (to me) ipod that supports playcounts. It seems that all my stats in the f2k database are getting reset and overwritten by the stats from the ipod. this is pretty bad, ive got over 5 years of playback stats that are getting wiped out now. basically i had synced a bunch of files to the ipod with f2k, played a bunch today at work, came home and did a sync. all the tracks that played today now have a playcount of 1, and the first/last played show today's date. most of these files have played several times over many years. luckily enough i was able to recover the stats for those files as i keep a network backup of everything. but, this pretty much breaks this component unless there's a way to disable it. i would rather have the stats and ratings working because i find myself using my ipod as much as foobar now.

I'm using the latest versions of foobar, foo_dop, and foo_playcount.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-09-03 08:02:29
When I rewrite database to get my plays scrobbled all the music vanishes from iPod (No music - add from iTunes thing shows up in iPod when viewing music) and then I rewrite database again and they are back there. Nasty bug if I don`t remember to check this thing before leaving computer.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-03 08:43:27
Hi,

So I got a new (to me) ipod that supports playcounts. It seems that all my stats in the f2k database are getting reset and overwritten by the stats from the ipod. this is pretty bad, ive got over 5 years of playback stats that are getting wiped out now. basically i had synced a bunch of files to the ipod with f2k, played a bunch today at work, came home and did a sync. all the tracks that played today now have a playcount of 1, and the first/last played show today's date. most of these files have played several times over many years. luckily enough i was able to recover the stats for those files as i keep a network backup of everything. but, this pretty much breaks this component unless there's a way to disable it. i would rather have the stats and ratings working because i find myself using my ipod as much as foobar now.

I'm using the latest versions of foobar, foo_dop, and foo_playcount.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Well foo_dop only notifies foo_playcount of new plays so it's not possible for foo_dop to cause anything to be lost. If your existing plays are in tags and not the playback statistics database I think something similar might happen (?)

When I rewrite database to get my plays scrobbled all the music vanishes from iPod (No music - add from iTunes thing shows up in iPod when viewing music) and then I rewrite database again and they are back there. Nasty bug if I don`t remember to check this thing before leaving computer.
You have an iPod touch with 3.0 software, right? Have you checked if anything is logged in the console? Is the iPod jailbroken?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Norman on 2009-09-04 17:09:34
You have an iPod touch with 3.0 software, right? Have you checked if anything is logged in the console? Is the iPod jailbroken?


Hi, I have the same problem with an iPhone with 3.0 software installed. I can't find any suspicious console entry when copying files to the iPhone and yes, the phone is jailbroken.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-09-04 22:10:32
Just curious, I am looking at getting a new iPod and was thinking on getting the iPhone. I currently have a Nano 3g. Is anyone syncing without issues? I don't want to know about Jailbroke or any of that stuff. I just want out of the box iPhone syncing with Foobar.

Can you sync everything except music with iTunes and then sync music with Foobar or does the sync with iTunes screw with sync made with foobar? I would mean apps, contacts and calandars with iTunes without breaking the music? Are there any pitfalls I guess is what I am asking.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-06 15:34:28
Hi, I have the same problem with an iPhone with 3.0 software installed. I can't find any suspicious console entry when copying files to the iPhone and yes, the phone is jailbroken.
See your PM.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-09-07 11:05:54
musicmusic

Would it be possible to have iPod Profiles?

For example, I have a 80gb video iPod, so I don't want to transcode my MP3's before adding them to my iPod, however, my girlfriend has a Shuffle, and I will want to transcode the track before adding them, is this a feature that can be added to your to-do list?

Thanks

Ben
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2009-09-07 14:32:44
When I rewrite database to get my plays scrobbled all the music vanishes from iPod (No music - add from iTunes thing shows up in iPod when viewing music) and then I rewrite database again and they are back there. Nasty bug if I don`t remember to check this thing before leaving computer.
You have an iPod touch with 3.0 software, right? Have you checked if anything is logged in the console? Is the iPod jailbroken?


Yes. Jb and 3.0
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: garbanzo.bean on 2009-09-08 13:25:29
i am looking for some help with the metatag remapping feature of this plugin. i just realized it's there, and am very excited to use it - it will make my ipod 100x more useful! but i'm struggling to get what i want out of it.

so if anyone has a moment to help me out:

Album
i want the album field to show the date in brackets before the album name, like this:
[2002] Phrenology

Artist
this one is tricky. i'll try to explain what i want the best i can.
(if Album Artist exists) and (if Album Artist is NOT "Soundtrack") then use Album Artist instead of Artist. otherwise just use Artist.

Compilation
if Album Artist is "Soundtrack", then make it a compilation.

many thanks to anyone who can help me sort these out!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2009-09-08 16:48:04
Why would "Album Artist" ever be "Soundtrack", unless it was a multi-artist release put out by an entity named "Soundtrack"?

If it is a soundtrack release with multiple artists, the Album Artist should be either "Various Artists" or the specific predominant artist (e.g., the score composer for a movie soundtrack that also has included songs by other artists) with the Genre as "Soundtrack" and Compilation manually set to "1".
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: garbanzo.bean on 2009-09-08 17:04:53
Why would "Album Artist" ever be "Soundtrack", unless it was a multi-artist release put out by an entity named "Soundtrack"?

If it is a soundtrack release with multiple artists, the Album Artist should be either "Various Artists" or the specific predominant artist (e.g., the score composer for a movie soundtrack that also has included songs by other artists) with the Genre as "Soundtrack" and Compilation manually set to "1".


apparently my methods offend you so much that you went out of your way to post about it. while your tirade is somewhat amusing, it's entirely unhelpful.

i like to scroll down my library to Soundtrack to find all my soundtracks. it seems fairly logical to me.

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-09-08 17:06:51
There isn't a standard - if you prefer to tag your albums with Album Artist as, for instance, Soundtrack - do so. Other prefer to set it to VA, Various Artists, the album artist or whichever option suits their needs.

Album: '['%date%']' %album%
Artist: $if($meta(album artist),$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),Soundtrack),%artist%,%album artist%),%artist%)
Compilation: $if($stricmp($meta(album artist),Soundtrack),1,)

I think this should do the trick, but no guarantees. You should look over the fields and maybe adjust something/ask for help if you need any.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: garbanzo.bean on 2009-09-08 17:46:18
thank you very much for the reply, Nemphael

no time now, but i'll try these out tomorrow and report back!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2009-09-08 17:58:42
A couple of bugs.

Podcasts downloaded from iTunes get a duplicate entry that lack the podcast art and metadata after sending or deleting songs using foo_dop. I think this bug is pretty consistent. I only download podcasts using the built in iphone iTunes app, this may have something to do with it.

If I rewrite the database my iphone will typically inform me that it's updating the library when I try to play music. Like the above users my iphone will then sometimes complain about no content, I can fix it but loading itunes. There are other times when it will say "updating the library" and it will work just fine afterward, but I can't pinpoint the circumstances.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-08 19:47:39
...
1. Unfortunately, the component doesn't support podcasts downloaded directly on the device. Try and download them using iTunes instead if you can.

2. Keep an eye on the foobbar2000 console - make sure it always says: detected DBVersion: 4, SQLiteDB: true, Got <large number> post process commands. If those ever change or if it ever says "Got 0 post process commands" then let me know. Also monitor the console for any warnings/errors.

Also make sure you completely close iTunes before using the component. Also let me know if it is jailbroken or not, there are some additional checks you can do if it is.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gob on 2009-09-08 23:35:03
Well foo_dop only notifies foo_playcount of new plays so it's not possible for foo_dop to cause anything to be lost. If your existing plays are in tags and not the playback statistics database I think something similar might happen (?)


thanks for pointing me in the right direction musicmusic. it looks like the issue that i was having had to do with the tag's not being in sync with the stats in f2k's db. after fixing the stats that were reset, I did an "Import statistics from file tags" for my whole library. this was back on sep 3rd, ive had close to a thousand plays on the ipod since then, and the stats seem to be playing nicely now
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-09 18:15:10
iPhone / iPod touch OS 3.1 may not be compatible with the component, could everyone keep this in mind for the moment. If you want to help test then that's a different story...

thanks for pointing me in the right direction musicmusic.
No probs
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2009-09-10 01:47:04
Here is what seems like a pretty large bug and a bit of a mystery.

I have a car stereo that interfaces with my iphone. The deck will display the title, artist and album of the current song. I noticed recently that metadata for unrelated songs would sometimes be shown up on the display incorrectly. It happened only once last week, and I removed the offending song, but today it was wrong for every single song I played. What's strange is that if I look at the song that's currently playing using my iphone (while connected to the deck) and not the deck it displays the name correctly.

The reason I believe this is a large problem is because I noticed that one of the mis-displayed songs was playing really quietly (it normally has a positive replaygain), this made me think that the soundcheck metadata from the other song was also being used in addition to title, artist, album.

I might update the metadata of all my files manually and see if that helps. I`ll make a backup of my messed up database files first, for your sake.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-09-10 09:25:54
iPhone / iPod touch OS 3.1 may not be compatible with the component, could everyone keep this in mind for the moment. If you want to help test then that's a different story...

thanks for pointing me in the right direction musicmusic.
No probs


Any news? Am scared to update

Ben
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: StuPC on 2009-09-10 11:04:45
iPhone / iPod touch OS 3.1 may not be compatible with the component, could everyone keep this in mind for the moment. If you want to help test then that's a different story...

thanks for pointing me in the right direction musicmusic.
No probs


Any news? Am scared to update

Ben


I've just run the updates for iTunes on my HP laptop running Windows XP and the 3.1.1 device firmware on my iPod Touch. I've also got the latest foo_dop.

The good news is...it seems to work just fine!
Foobar crashed after I removed an album from the Touch, but when I restarted the album had definitely been deleted.  I tried copying the album back to the Touch and it worked fine - no crash, album is there and plays.  Tried the same routine again - remove album then put it back on and it worked again, only this time there was no Foobar crash.
The library update seems to take a very long time (anything up to a minute) whenever you add or remove a file, but otherwise I can't see any difference.

-StuPC
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2009-09-10 11:35:46
iPhone / iPod touch OS 3.1 may not be compatible with the component, could everyone keep this in mind for the moment. If you want to help test then that's a different story...

thanks for pointing me in the right direction musicmusic.
No probs


Any news? Am scared to update

Ben


I've just run the updates for iTunes on my HP laptop running Windows XP and the 3.1.1 device firmware on my iPod Touch. I've also got the latest foo_dop.

The good news is...it seems to work just fine!
Foobar crashed after I removed an album from the Touch, but when I restarted the album had definitely been deleted.  I tried copying the album back to the Touch and it worked fine - no crash, album is there and plays.  Tried the same routine again - remove album then put it back on and it worked again, only this time there was no Foobar crash.
The library update seems to take a very long time (anything up to a minute) whenever you add or remove a file, but otherwise I can't see any difference.

-StuPC


Sweet, time to upgrade
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2009-09-10 12:48:21
foo_dop worked fine for me adding and removing tracks from my iPhone first gen running 3.1

Can it be a firmware upgrade from Apple without a foo_dop problem?!?!  Seems so!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-10 13:08:29
The library update seems to take a very long time (anything up to a minute) whenever you add or remove a file, but otherwise I can't see any difference.
Hi,
Is this some screen that turns up on the device? I know some people mentioned this screen recently, but has everyone been getting this screen with OS 3.0 or 3.1 which I don't believe is supposed to be there?

foo_dop worked fine for me adding and removing tracks from my iPhone first gen running 3.1

Can it be a firmware upgrade from Apple without a foo_dop problem?!?!  Seems so!
Phew, that's good news  It will definitely not work on the iPod touch 3G yet though, should just be a simple change I should have made already.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2009-09-10 13:48:25
Actually, I take that back....first attempt looked good, but I just noticed a couple of odd things:

1) For about 50% of the album, after the first iTunes sync, the small album art thumbnail is now blank.  The cover flow view and now playing view show it correctly, but the tiny one when browsing through the album selection is blank on a (seemingly) random handful of albums.

2) I just had an issue where, after sending an album, the device reports "no music available" until a re-sync is done with iTunes, at which point everything comes back.  This seems like a duplicate of what happened when 3.0 originally came out.

3) The "updating library" screen shows for about a minute when foo_dop has modified the database (only sometimes).

I will do a little more testing to see under what conditions these issues repeat

** Here's a screen-cap of the updating screen, since you asked a little while back.  It shows the first time you run the iPod app after foo_dop has modified the database.

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_slMhrFjlLIc/Sqj3ZQpQQMI/AAAAAAAAAGk/EcNcW5eivM4/s144/IMG_0047.PNG)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RainDawg on 2009-09-10 15:33:22
One additional issue that I noticed is that foo_dop doesn't play nicely with the new iTunesU feature....after altering the database in any way with the component, all tracks that were previously listed under the iTunesU no longer appear in that playlist on the device.  They are still there, and they appear when browsing all tracks, but somehow dop is grouping them all together into the main list instead of them showing separately.

I did have to clear all music that was on the device prior to the upgrade to get the album arts to come back, but it seems like aside from the iTunesU issue and the fact that the "updating library" screen shows that everything does work nicely.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2009-09-10 15:53:16
Here is what seems like a pretty large bug and a bit of a mystery.

I have a car stereo that interfaces with my iphone. The deck will display the title, artist and album of the current song. I noticed recently that metadata for unrelated songs would sometimes be shown up on the display incorrectly. It happened only once last week, and I removed the offending song, but today it was wrong for every single song I played. What's strange is that if I look at the song that's currently playing using my iphone (while connected to the deck) and not the deck it displays the name correctly.

The reason I believe this is a large problem is because I noticed that one of the mis-displayed songs was playing really quietly (it normally has a positive replaygain), this made me think that the soundcheck metadata from the other song was also being used in addition to title, artist, album.

I might update the metadata of all my files manually and see if that helps. I`ll make a backup of my messed up database files first, for your sake.


On second thought this seems like a iPhone problem and it seemed like it only happens with smart playlists. Updated to 3.1 I may not see this problem again.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-10 21:12:44
One additional issue that I noticed is that foo_dop doesn't play nicely with the new iTunesU feature....after altering the database in any way with the component, all tracks that were previously listed under the iTunesU no longer appear in that playlist on the device.  They are still there, and they appear when browsing all tracks, but somehow dop is grouping them all together into the main list instead of them showing separately.

I did have to clear all music that was on the device prior to the upgrade to get the album arts to come back, but it seems like aside from the iTunesU issue and the fact that the "updating library" screen shows that everything does work nicely.
Seems there are some database changes. Can you send me a backup of the iTunes_Control\iTunes folder with a database written by iTunes? If it's jailbroken, also a backup of the System\Library\Lockdown folder... Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Grigori Gazarian on 2009-09-10 22:41:12
Hi there!

First of all, many thanks for the component! Foo_dop is easily the most useful add-on for me (as are many here, I loathe iTunes).

Recently I've upgraded my iPod touch to the 3.0. I downloaded the latest version of foo_dop and updated the libraries on my home machine and sending music to iPod worked perfectly. However, I forgot to update MobileDevice.dll on my work machine. I then tried to upload some music. The operation was successful but the songs didn't show up on the device. Although they're clearly there (judging by the reduced space) I can't listen to them or delete them using either foobar or iTunes. I was thinking of using WinSCP to delete them but I'm not sure what to delete. Another option would be restoring but I'd like to try something not as drastic before.

I'm using iTunes 8.2.1.6, foobar 0.9.6.8, foo_dop 0.6.5.4, MobileDevice.dll 8.2.238.0.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-10 22:52:35
Did you not update foo_dop on your work machine as well?

Anyway, Recover orphaned tracks is supposed to be for situations like this, give it a try (with latest foo_dop)..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Grigori Gazarian on 2009-09-10 23:49:46
Did you not update foo_dop on your work machine as well?

Anyway, Recover orphaned tracks is supposed to be for situations like this, give it a try (with latest foo_dop)..


Never thought it would be as easy as that. Thanks a bunch, musicmusic!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: floesn on 2009-09-12 10:17:27
Hey there,

I updated iTunes (9.0) & the iPhone OS (3.1) on my 3G.

I also updated foo_dop (0.6.5.4) on foobar (0.9.6.9).

The problem that I have is, that there is no ipod found in foobar. I can't read or write any tracks from an on my iPhone. I have also downloaded the latest version of mobiledevicesign.dll from the developers site.

Does anybody of you had the problem as well or can tell me what I am doing wrong?

Thx so far.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mrm on 2009-09-13 13:20:47
I've recently upgraded my iPod touch 2G to 3.1 (previously 3.0 JB).

There are two bugs when copying "Various Artists" compilations to the iPod.
Example: Goa Gil - Spiritual Trance Vol. 2 (http://www.discogs.com/Goa-Gil-Spiritual-Trance-Vol-2/release/127984)

When I send that album to my iPod, this is what I get:
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6256/img0012i.th.png) (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/img0012i.png/)
First bug is obvious - The album is listed more than once. Actually, it's listed 11 times, one for each artist. Furthermore, when selecting any of them, the whole album tracklist is displayed:
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/132/img0013.th.png) (http://img42.imageshack.us/i/img0013.png/)
The second one is that the album artist is not displayed.
Using iTunes 9 to send to my iPod I get the expected result:
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8892/img0014f.th.png) (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/img0014f.png/)

I then proceeded to remove the album using the right click menu iPod > Remove from iPod. This is what happens:
(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/313/img0011.th.png) (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/img0011.png/)

Hope this helps.

I am very grateful for this awesome plugin, but I am forced to use shiTunes until all issues are fixed.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-13 16:42:49
Hey there,

I updated iTunes (9.0) & the iPhone OS (3.1) on my 3G.

I also updated foo_dop (0.6.5.4) on foobar (0.9.6.9).

The problem that I have is, that there is no ipod found in foobar.[...]
Hi,
Check the FAQ question about detection issues - it's probably the usual issue that sometimes happens sometimes when upgrading iTunes.

I've recently upgraded my iPod touch 2G to 3.1 (previously 3.0 JB).
Hi,
I would really like a backup of the iTunes_Control\iTunes folder with a database written by iTunes on 3.1 software. You should be able to use iPhoneBrowser AFAIK.

If you want to make two backups (one with the above issue, and one without) then I can see what's causing that as well. You can e-mail them to the address on my site.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mrm on 2009-09-13 17:04:40
Hi,
I would really like a backup of the iTunes_Control\iTunes folder with a database written by iTunes on 3.1 software. You should be able to use iPhoneBrowser AFAIK.

If you want to make two backups (one with the above issue, and one without) then I can see what's causing that as well. You can e-mail them to the address on my site.

Sorry, can't do that. It appears iPhoneBrowser crashes the instant I start it. I've only used it a couple of times before - when I was on 3.0 - and it worked at the time.

EDIT: looks like it's iTunes 9 related. I'll try iPhone Explorer (never used it before)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-13 17:07:44
Hmm... I think I need that file browser in foo_dop sooner rather than later
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mrm on 2009-09-13 17:30:24
See PM.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: randal1013 on 2009-09-13 20:24:25
i just started using foo_dop today for my ipod classic. it's great, but i have one complaint, though i don't know if you can do anything about it.

it used to be that the only way to edit the Sort Artist, Sort Album, etc. tags was in itunes. however, i just noticed that they now store those fields in the tags along with artist, title, album, etc. and i can edit those tags via foobar. the only problem is, when i add songs to my ipod via foo_dop, the ipod doesn't recognize the Sort Artist and Sort Album tags (those are the only two i use). however, if i add the songs to itunes first, it recognizes my custom sorting tags, which then work on the ipod (after syncing).

would it be possible to fix this or is the problem on apple's end?


other than this one hiccup, this is an excellent component and i thank you for your work




btw: i'm using foo_dop 0654, itunes 9, and foobar 0969
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: randal1013 on 2009-09-13 23:27:04
sorry, i just looked at the FAQ more closely and i see that custom sorting is listed as a request. my bad.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2009-09-14 18:47:26
Doesn't look like foo_dop works w/ the new ipod nanos at all. Not completely surprising, just wanted confirmation and whether any sort of feedback or information may be needed to pull this off? Let me know, thanks.

http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/ (http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/)

"Model: Unknown. Key (16,34,72R)"


Update: Grabbed newest foo_dop, zlib, and itunes 9, it now syncs however I can't seem to get any album art to register at all. Will keep poking around.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-14 19:36:10
Hi there,

Can you hold Shift, click File/iPod/Raw property list and send me the output please?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2009-09-14 19:41:19
Sent, I think artwork is my only problem right now?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-14 19:52:43
Thanks for that, it's definitely interesting

They've moved the artwork format info somewhere else - I have no idea where. Maybe a different SCSI inquiry command? Let me look into somethings and get back to you...

P.S. Is the root folder on the device iTunes_Control or iPod_Control?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2009-09-14 20:42:45
Thanks for that, it's definitely interesting

They've moved the artwork format info somewhere else - I have no idea where. Maybe a different SCSI inquiry command? Let me look into somethings and get back to you...

P.S. Is the root folder on the device iTunes_Control or iPod_Control?


iPod_Control
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-09-14 22:14:46
Just some fyi here, I just purchased a iPhone 3gs 32 gb. I synced with iTunes but had forgotten how much I hate how it hogs my system. So I decided to give this a shot.

Foo_dop seems to be just fine. I completely erased my music with itunes and re-added everything with foo_dop. Artwork and all seems fine, I just am not getting any playback statistics from the iPhone, in other words if I play a song when I re-sync foo_dop doesn't recognize it. Same goes for ratings as well. I did do a sync with iTunes with music checked as manually manage. So I just synced contacts and apps with out any noticeable problems. I will post with more info if I run into them.

Edit: It also kills my ringtones. I guess foo_dop sees them as music even though they are m4r's. It would be nice if I could leave them on the iPhone.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-14 22:41:53
iPod_Control
I can't see where the artwork format specs are coming from  I don't have any better ideas than USB snooping/sniffing/monitoring - but it's probably going to generate some huge logs files...

Edit: It also kills my ringtones. I guess foo_dop sees them as music even though they are m4r's. It would be nice if I could leave them on the iPhone.
Don't think I have any backups with ringtones - but anyway backup of iTunes_Control\iTunes with & without the ringtones working would help me fix that. If they still show up in iTunes, copying one track with iTunes should get them back on the device.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2009-09-14 23:37:20
iPod_Control
I can't see where the artwork format specs are coming from  I don't have any better ideas than USB snooping/sniffing/monitoring - but it's probably going to generate some huge logs files...


Would it help if I did some tests w/ iTunes 9 and some of their cover art? To generate some data?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-09-14 23:55:08
but anyway backup of iTunes_Control\iTunes with & without the ringtones working would help me fix that.


I don't mean to be a newby but how do I do that? IPhone Browser is crashing with iTunes 9. I have iPhone Explorer but I don't see any options to "backup".

Edit: it will let me copy by dragging to desktop. Do you want the entire contents? Looks like a lot of data, this is a 32 gb?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-15 00:07:00
Would it help if I did some tests w/ iTunes 9 and some of their cover art? To generate some data?
Possibly, it would be good to look at (normally stored in the iPod_Control\Artwork folder).

Normally though the component queries the iPod for album art formats. Need to work out how to do that as it seems to be different here - USB capturing/monitoring is the best idea I have at the moment.

Only relatively sane software I came across so far is USB Monitor Pro - but it didn't actually work for me (Windows 7 here though), just gave some error when trying to capture. Don't know if the trial lets you save captures also..

Anyway I need a capture straight from device connection really (and then copying a song with iTunes), the iPod service may query the important info early on. I will have a look if I can find some other software that actually works..

I don't mean to be a newby but how do I do that? IPhone Browser is crashing with iTunes 9. I have iPhone Explorer but I don't see any options to "backup".
Not sure what other software is actually working - I will make a simple backup command for next build.

Edit: it will let me copy by dragging to desktop. Do you want the entire contents? Looks like a lot of data, this is a 32 gb?
Just iTunes_Control\iTunes - should just be some databases and bits in there.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-09-15 00:49:13
Sorry missed that iTunes_Control\iTunes, I sent them along. Note though when I got home here I did another sync with foo_dop and it did pick up my plays and ratings I made on the drive home!! I don't know if it had to be synced with iTunes again to realize they were new plays or not. I will try to keep track.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2009-09-15 02:30:58
iPod_Control\Artwork

There is an ArtworkDB and then files like this:

F1056_1.ithmb
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-15 08:54:31
iPod_Control\Artwork

There is an ArtworkDB and then files like this:

F1056_1.ithmb
Looks normal.

Well we can go with this software: http://www.pcausa.com/Utilities/UsbSnoop/ (http://www.pcausa.com/Utilities/UsbSnoop/)

Steps:
1. Uninstall any other USB monitoring software
2. Run SniffUSB.exe as admin, click through the prompts
3. Tick 'List devices not present'
4. Select the one w/ description "Apple iPod USB driver" and click Install.
5. Connect your iPod & then click refresh in the app
6. Run iTunes and copy one song over
7. Click refresh again and then Pause Log.

The log is then in your Windows dir for some reason at the listed path. It will be quite large, so compress it with something like 7-Zip and e-mail it to the address on my website.

When you are done click 'Uninstall' on the iPod entry in the SniffUSB app.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2009-09-15 23:16:56
I had to span the zip, so you should have 2 emails from me (creating the 2nd email right this second). I hope that works!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-15 23:37:05
Hi,

Thanks for that.

Well from a quick look the information is there in the log, which is good

I will need to have a deeper look as to how it is retrieved though, or what's happening differently...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: myvision on 2009-09-16 18:59:56
Thank you for an awesome plugin.

Just one question:
As I posted a while ago, there is now the option to scrobble multiple plays of songs on the ipod, although only the last time stamp is saved on the ipod. So multiple plays can be scrobbled without having a time stamp.
Now only the song with the last time gets transfered. Just to know: Is this a thing of foo_dop or of foo_audioscrobbler?
Would be great if you could implement such a feature, if it is in your coverage... 

Thanks in advance.

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-17 15:51:15
I had to span the zip, so you should have 2 emails from me (creating the 2nd email right this second). I hope that works!
Right, well I should now have the solution for the artwork problem

But there's still some more things going on here. Can you send me a backup of the iPod_Control\iTunes folder? Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-17 17:24:24
Sorry missed that iTunes_Control\iTunes, I sent them along. Note though when I got home here I did another sync with foo_dop and it did pick up my plays and ratings I made on the drive home!! I don't know if it had to be synced with iTunes again to realize they were new plays or not. I will try to keep track.
Was this problem only when you used 'Synchronise' and not when you use 'Send to iPod'?

The problem there would then be that they are being removed as they aren't in the sync source. Anyway I added ringtones, iTunes U, rentals, and voice memos to the types excluded from removal during a sync. So if that was the problem it should be sorted for next version.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-09-17 19:13:27
Was this problem only when you used 'Synchronise' and not when you use 'Send to iPod'?


Well I was using Synchronize, I haven't used Sent To before. I usually just do a sync with playlist in foobar or update re-write database. I was doing sync and playing a song and giving it a rating on the iPhone, re-sync and nothing was showing needed to be synced. I cannot repeat the issue consistently so, I am not sure what is causing it. I do know I synced with foo_dop and then synced apps in iTunes, played iPhone awhile and resynced the next day with foo_dop and it didn't show any plays. But I can understand that. Most of the time it seems to be syncing fine.

Thanks for the coming update! I will imagine I won't have a need to sync with iTunes very often and foo_dop will work just fine. I am just missing my ringtones at the moment. Not that is a great big deal or anything.

Edit: I do want to add that I have "automatically sync file tags with playback statistics" checked in the advanced options so when a song is played it will automatically need to transfer the song to the iPhone.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-17 20:37:19
Sorry I didn't do a great job of quoting 

I was really talking about the ringtone issue. But yes sync would definitely have removed the ringtones before.

As far as the play counts go, if you open iTunes before using foo_dop iTunes will grab them so they will get missed by foo_dop. If you ever only want to merge the play counts, you can just use the 'Rewrite database' command.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-09-17 20:46:20
Oh Yeah! That will work fine, 'Rewrite Database' that is. That will keep foo_dop from removing the ringtones for now. I have done that before, I just didn't make the connection till you said that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2009-09-18 02:53:21
You've got mail, thanks musicmusic.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-09-18 03:00:57
Some more testing info, For some reason I have a playlist that will not work on iPhone. I created it through 'Manage Contents'. It is a date added within last 60 days. I do have date added source combo box set to the date to be the date added to media library. After a sync with iTunes the playlist shows and works fine. Once rewrite database or a sync in foo_dop the playlist is gone from the iPhone but still shows in the 'Manage Contents' area.

One other small thing. After a sync with iTunes the 'Properties' command show all the correct info. Phone number, wifi address, battery charge info and capacity. But once synced with foo_dop the only thing that shows is the capacity.

I don't want to seem down on foo_dop, by all means I love it! I don't know if anyone else is giving feeback on the usage of iPhone. It is working great for me as is!!!

Edit: spelling
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-18 10:53:34
I've put up version 0.6.5.5. Various changes for iPhone/iPod touch software 3.1 and Nano 5G. Let me know how it works on those - but also iPhone/iPod touch OS 3.0 and older devices in case of any regressions..

You've got mail, thanks musicmusic.
Thanks 

Some more testing info, For some reason I have a playlist that will not work on iPhone. I created it through 'Manage Contents'. It is a date added within last 60 days. I do have date added source combo box set to the date to be the date added to media library. After a sync with iTunes the playlist shows and works fine. Once rewrite database or a sync in foo_dop the playlist is gone from the iPhone but still shows in the 'Manage Contents' area.
Let me know if it persists with 0.6.5.5...

One other small thing. After a sync with iTunes the 'Properties' command show all the correct info. Phone number, wifi address, battery charge info and capacity. But once synced with foo_dop the only thing that shows is the capacity.
Someone else thought it was to do with the device being locked. Does that sound right?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: seVen on 2009-09-18 13:39:57
Hi musicmusic,
Here iTouch 3.1, if i copy a track is ok but when encoding/copy one from a lossless source i got this error:
"Error writing iTunesDB file : I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 23 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesCDB.dop.temp"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-09-18 14:15:51
Awesome! Thanks, ringtones seem fixed they are left alone during sync.

Let me know if it persists with 0.6.5.5...

Yes this seems to be fixed as well. My playlist showed at first sync.

Someone else thought it was to do with the device being locked. Does that sound right?

Not really. I can get all the info whether the phone is locked or not at first plug in. Right after any command is run in foo_dop then info (except capacity) is gone.

Just in case anyone is interested. I am syncing or rewriting database first with foo_dop. Then if a sync is need with iTunes for apps or contacts I do that. Once complete with iTunes, I rewrite database with foo_dop this sets up foo_dop to sync next time I connect with all my statistics. So basically, write with foo_dop before and after a sync with iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ise on 2009-09-18 17:34:16
Hi
I'm using ipod nano 5G 16GB black.
I tried foo_dop 0.6.5.5.
When I send by foobar2000+foo_dop(0.6.5.5),all artwork were displayed.
but artist name was not recognized.

after start itunes, artist name was recognized.
but some artwork were missed.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-18 18:10:55
...
Hmm, think I see the problem.. Trying to fix, thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Joelimite on 2009-09-18 20:15:52
I'm using one of the new 16GB Ipod Nanos and am having troubling sending files to it. When I select "send to iPod," foobar converts the files from FLAC to MP3, but then I get a "Item not found" error when it attempts to transfer them to the iPod. Is there something I'm doing wrong?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-18 21:21:06
...
I've put up 0.6.5.6, let me know if it fixes it

I'm using one of the new 16GB Ipod Nanos and am having troubling sending files to it. When I select "send to iPod," foobar converts the files from FLAC to MP3, but then I get a "Item not found" error when it attempts to transfer them to the iPod. Is there something I'm doing wrong?
Maybe wrong encoder settings? Compare them to the help (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:conversion) page, or post them here.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Joelimite on 2009-09-18 21:32:49
Hmm, I doublechecked my encoder settings, and they match the ones on the wiki perfectly. Also, I just tried transferring an  mp3 file and an mp4 video onto the Nano with foobar and received the same error message, which is actually "Object not Found," instead of "Item not found" like I mistakenly reported before.

I just got the Nano today, so this is my first time transferring anything onto it. Do I need to have iTunes installed for foodop to work? I have not installed it yet, and would rather not install it at all if I don't have to.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-18 21:54:05
Not really. I can get all the info whether the phone is locked or not at first plug in. Right after any command is run in foo_dop then info (except capacity) is gone.
OK. I don't know why it happens then but it seems harmless, it's probably one of those things I won't be able to fix without the device in hand..

I just got the Nano today, so this is my first time transferring anything onto it. Do I need to have iTunes installed for foodop to work? I have not installed it yet, and would rather not install it at all if I don't have to.
Oh. You will need the iPod driver, it is part of Apple Mobile Device Support. You can just extract the iTunes installer until you find it, but if you do that you will have to install it manually. Alternatively just extract Apple Mobile Device Support and install that.

You will also need to create the "iPod_Control\iTunes\iTunes Library.itlp" folder, it isn't created by the component at the moment so that might be what it is complaining about.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Joelimite on 2009-09-18 22:23:14
All right, it works great now. Thanks for the assistance!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-09-18 23:15:09
Definatly harmless
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-18 23:41:35
All right, it works great now. Thanks for the assistance!
OK, good

Definatly harmless
It does worry me though if it breaks only after running another command, does 'Load library' break it also?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-09-19 02:43:24
does 'Load library' break it also?


No it seems only when database is being written. i.e. sync and rewrite database.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: don139 on 2009-09-19 08:13:02
I'm using foo_dop 0.6.5.6 (iPod nano 5G),
I wannna use sort order tag in the iPod database:
%titlesortorder%
%albumsortorder%
%albumartistsortorder%
%composersortorder%
%titlesortorder%

Please support it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ise on 2009-09-19 15:48:59
I've put up 0.6.5.6, let me know if it fixes it


Thanks.
Almost perfect. artist names are shown.
When playing track, arts were displayed.
However, album arts were not displayed.(like cover flow)
After the launch of iTunes, some files are changed.(Library.itdb etc...)
And, cover flow displayed.
I uploaded
adgjmp.dip.jp/up/iPod_Control_1.7z (before)
adgjmp.dip.jp/up/iPod_Control_2.7z (after itunes)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2009-09-19 16:39:04
I agree with what Ise is seeing, sorry hadn't had a chance to try out the new version musicmusic. Coverflow displays every song under an alphabet letter named "?" and without art. The music -> artist list displays them alphabetically but without cover art. However when I shuffle songs, they all display properly. Keep up the good work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aereogramme on 2009-09-19 23:42:43
Hey

Can this component embed artwork in the mp3 tags?  That are already on the ipod?  I have a iPod Touch 2nd Gen 3.0 firmware.  Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-20 00:54:04
I'm using foo_dop 0.6.5.6 (iPod nano 5G),
I wannna use sort order tag in the iPod database:
[...]

Please support it.
Yes it is planned at some point...

Thanks.
Almost perfect. artist names are shown.
When playing track, arts were displayed.
However, album arts were not displayed.(like cover flow)
After the launch of iTunes, some files are changed.(Library.itdb etc...)
And, cover flow displayed.
I uploaded
adgjmp.dip.jp/up/iPod_Control_1.7z (before)
adgjmp.dip.jp/up/iPod_Control_2.7z (after itunes)
Thanks for the backups.
Please try version 0.6.5.7 - should hopefully help with those issues...

In case of any problems like this, dual backups like those are very helpful.. Thanks

Coverflow displays every song under an alphabet letter named "?"
If it's still the same with the new version, are the album fields showing correctly in 'File/iPod/Manage contents'? If so, does opening / closing iTunes make a difference?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Joelimite on 2009-09-20 01:20:29
musicmusic, the last update you released fixed all of the artwork problems on my Nano 5G. Thanks for your tireless efforts!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: applewu on 2009-09-20 04:16:36
can fb2k work with  3.1 now???   

i  can add muice to iphone by my tool, but i can not find the music from the artist page.



the sqlite bd change some tables.

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-20 12:05:55
musicmusic, the last update you released fixed all of the artwork problems on my Nano 5G. Thanks for your tireless efforts!
Good  Welcome

Next problem is play counts - they are using a new format for the Play Counts file. So any iPod_Control\iTunes folder backups with the Play Counts file with some plays etc. in it (and any OTGPlaylist files also) would help in adding support for those.

Note: iTunes and foo_dop remove the Play Counts file after updating the database, so you would need to have a look before using either of those. If you did various activities on the iPod (plays, skips, bookmarks, ratings..) that would also help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ise on 2009-09-20 14:22:11
Next problem is play counts - they are using a new format for the Play Counts file. So any iPod_Control\iTunes folder backups with the Play Counts file with some plays etc. in it (and any OTGPlaylist files also) would help in adding support for those.

Note: iTunes and foo_dop remove the Play Counts file after updating the database, so you would need to have a look before using either of those. If you did various activities on the iPod (plays, skips, bookmarks, ratings..) that would also help.


I'm using ipod nano 5G.
adgjmp.dip.jp/up/itunes1.7z
adgjmp.dip.jp/up/itunes2.7z (after play,skip,change rating...)
I hope that it useful.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-09-20 14:58:22
can fb2k work with  3.1 now??? 


I am using iPhone with 3.1 and I don't seem to have any issues.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-20 16:17:56
I'm using ipod nano 5G.
adgjmp.dip.jp/up/itunes1.7z
adgjmp.dip.jp/up/itunes2.7z (after play,skip,change rating...)
I hope that it useful.
Aha great, seems to all make sense, thanks  So there should be support for reading back play counts in one of the next builds..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2009-09-20 20:10:53
It's one thing that you wrote this awesome component, but the prompt support when apple goes and changes everything up is incredible, thanks again. I don't use play counts so I'm pretty much back where I was and my ipod is working flawlessly.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2009-09-21 03:14:57
I'm experiencing kind of a weird bug.  I'm using foo_dop 0.6.5.7 with a non-jailbroken iPhone 3GS running OS 3.1.  I'm trying to add 3 Tiësto CDs.  I like to view my music by genre, and I have the genre for all my Tiësto CDs as "Electronic."  Under Electronic, all my other electronic music shows up, but Tiësto doesn't.  However, when I look under artists and songs, I see all my Tiësto music.  Why can't I see Tiësto under genre?  Is it because of the ë?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-21 07:55:04
It's one thing that you wrote this awesome component, but the prompt support when apple goes and changes everything up is incredible, thanks again. I don't use play counts so I'm pretty much back where I was and my ipod is working flawlessly.
Great, good to know it is working fine now, and you're welcome

I'm experiencing kind of a weird bug.  I'm using foo_dop 0.6.5.7 with a non-jailbroken iPhone 3GS running OS 3.1.  I'm trying to add 3 Tiësto CDs.  I like to view my music by genre, and I have the genre for all my Tiësto CDs as "Electronic."  Under Electronic, all my other electronic music shows up, but Tiësto doesn't.  However, when I look under artists and songs, I see all my Tiësto music.  Why can't I see Tiësto under genre?  Is it because of the ë?
Don't see why that should affect it. Checked for any extra spaces etc. in the genre name? Was it working before? If you send another song with ë in it's artist does that show up? Otherwise send me a backup of your iTunes_Control\iTunes folder (I think last person to send a backup used iPhone Explorer) and I can check if anything's wrong in there...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2009-09-21 12:12:44
everything seems to work great with my 3GS/OS3.1/dop/0.6.5.7. thank you so much for your work, musicmusic

i have one question that is not related to 3.1. when i add an album with various artists (compilation) it gets shown under compilation which is ok but all artists who are on this compilation are also under "aritsts". on my nano 4g compilations were <only> under compilations and the artists from this compilation were hidden from the artists list. this makes more sence to me as you have otherwise lots of artists in your list that contain only one track and that makes this list confusing. i guess this is not a foo_dop issue but can that be fixed/changed?

thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: randal1013 on 2009-09-21 13:45:42
sounds like you need to use the Album Artist tag



actually i'm not sure, i just checked my artist list and i have the same problem.....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2009-09-21 20:19:39
happens definitely when album artist tag is present
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-21 22:17:02
Does it behave any differently for a song added using iTunes?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2009-09-22 01:46:04
It's one thing that you wrote this awesome component, but the prompt support when apple goes and changes everything up is incredible, thanks again. I don't use play counts so I'm pretty much back where I was and my ipod is working flawlessly.
Great, good to know it is working fine now, and you're welcome

I'm experiencing kind of a weird bug.  I'm using foo_dop 0.6.5.7 with a non-jailbroken iPhone 3GS running OS 3.1.  I'm trying to add 3 Tiësto CDs.  I like to view my music by genre, and I have the genre for all my Tiësto CDs as "Electronic."  Under Electronic, all my other electronic music shows up, but Tiësto doesn't.  However, when I look under artists and songs, I see all my Tiësto music.  Why can't I see Tiësto under genre?  Is it because of the ë?
Don't see why that should affect it. Checked for any extra spaces etc. in the genre name? Was it working before? If you send another song with ë in it's artist does that show up? Otherwise send me a backup of your iTunes_Control\iTunes folder (I think last person to send a backup used iPhone Explorer) and I can check if anything's wrong in there...


OK, it's not the ë because I just put in another song (actually a Ray Charles song), but I changed Ray Charles' name to Tiësto, and it worked.  However, it only worked when the genre wasn't "Electronic."  When the genre is "Electronic," it doesn't work.  I'm sending you a PM with my iTunes folder.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2009-09-22 12:22:42
Does it behave any differently for a song added using iTunes?


no it's the same with itunes :-( (see also here (http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?t=247855))

while testing this i noticed another thing: when i edit an album (e.g. set compilation to yes or no) with itunes i added before with foobar, the album art of this album gets lost.

is it possible to workaround the compilation-artist thing with remapping of tags? i'm thinking of something like "if album-artist tag is present, move "artist" into the "title" field, so the title field looks like this: %title% (%artist%)" ;-)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dooferlad on 2009-09-22 15:31:23
Hi,

I am using an ipod classic 160Gb with foo_dop and am very happy apart from podcasts show up as normal music tracks. I am using rev 0.6.5.4. How can I help solve this one?

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2009-09-22 16:18:19
ok, here's the workaround for the "iphone/ipod touch does not hide compilation artists in artists menu"-problem:

remap artist to: $if(%album artist%,Various Artists,%artist%)
remap title to: $if(%album artist%,%title% '('%artist%')',%title%)


// does not work on normal albums now 

now all VA albums appear under "compilation" and "various artists" (in the artists menu)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-22 18:07:01
OK, it's not the ë because I just put in another song (actually a Ray Charles song), but I changed Ray Charles' name to Tiësto, and it worked.  However, it only worked when the genre wasn't "Electronic."  When the genre is "Electronic," it doesn't work.  I'm sending you a PM with my iTunes folder.
I had a look. One thing I saw is that some of the sort artists are a bit inconsistent. That might potentially confuse the device - but I'm not sure if it is the problem. With 0.6.5.7, if you run load library, and run 'Update metadata' on all items, that should get the sort fields in order. Let me know if it helps or not...

Hi,

I am using an ipod classic 160Gb with foo_dop and am very happy apart from podcasts show up as normal music tracks. I am using rev 0.6.5.4. How can I help solve this one?

Thanks!
Easiest thing is to carry on using iTunes for podcasts..  Sorry.

ok, here's the workaround for the "iphone/ipod touch does not hide compilation artists in artists menu"-problem:

remap artist to: $if(%album artist%,Various Artists,%artist%)
remap title to: $if(%album artist%,%title% '('%artist%')',%title%)


// does not work on normal albums now 

now all VA albums appear under "compilation" and "various artists" (in the artists menu)
I would have thought:

Artist: %album artist%
Title: [%track artist% - ]%title%

would do it.

while testing this i noticed another thing: when i edit an album (e.g. set compilation to yes or no) with itunes i added before with foobar, the album art of this album gets lost.
It will do, as that makes iTunes re-read all metadata etc. and it will only pick up embedded art.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2009-09-22 23:58:14
OK, it's not the ë because I just put in another song (actually a Ray Charles song), but I changed Ray Charles' name to Tiësto, and it worked.  However, it only worked when the genre wasn't "Electronic."  When the genre is "Electronic," it doesn't work.  I'm sending you a PM with my iTunes folder.
I had a look. One thing I saw is that some of the sort artists are a bit inconsistent. That might potentially confuse the device - but I'm not sure if it is the problem. With 0.6.5.7, if you run load library, and run 'Update metadata' on all items, that should get the sort fields in order. Let me know if it helps or not...


That worked!  Thanks much.  I wonder how that got messed up.  Maybe during the update to 3.1?  Regardless, it's working now.  Thanks for your help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2009-09-23 13:54:47
ok, here's the workaround for the "iphone/ipod touch does not hide compilation artists in artists menu"-problem:
[...]
I would have thought:

Artist: %album artist%
Title: [%track artist% - ]%title%

would do it.

oh yes, this is actually the ultimate solution. thanks
maybe you can add this to the faq. it's so helpful for touch/iphone users
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2009-09-25 15:01:10
When syncing my iPod Touch 1g on 3.1, all the audiobooks I had synched with iTunes seem to be removed. Is there a way to create sync exceptions in foo_dop to prevent this?
Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-25 23:10:50
That worked!  Thanks much.  I wonder how that got messed up.  Maybe during the update to 3.1?  Regardless, it's working now.  Thanks for your help.
Not sure - versions older than 0.6.5.7 would always reset the sort fields when writing the databases, but 0.6.5.7 preserves whatever was in the database. So maybe some tracks were added with iTunes, or maybe you toggled the "Omit leading 'The'..." option? Regardless, it doesn't really matter how it happened - if there was support for custom sort fields you could even make a mess of them yourself.. I will probably just have to make the component automatically fix them up to avoid issues..

oh yes, this is actually the ultimate solution. thanks
maybe you can add this to the faq. it's so helpful for touch/iphone users
Yes probably, writing the question might be the harder part

When syncing my iPod Touch 1g on 3.1, all the audiobooks I had synched with iTunes seem to be removed. Is there a way to create sync exceptions in foo_dop to prevent this?
Thanks
But why not sync them with foobar2000? I was thinking of adding some check boxes to control which types are excluded types from removal though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: andyc on 2009-09-26 12:06:22
Hi

Thanks for a wonderful piece of software that has meant I can finally be iTunes (and the 98MB download) free. It's great to be able to burn lossless FLAC and have it seamlessly converted to my iTouch.

One minor problem - I found all the cover art for my albums but it doesn't get synced to the iTouch. My albums are stored under '<root>/Artist/Album' and I named the artwork as 'Cover.jpg'. The artwork shows up fine in Foobar2000. In iPod Manager option, I checked 'Add artwork to files sent to iPod' and 'Folder' for 'Source:'

I am using FB2000 0.9.6.9 and 3.1.1 software on the iTouch. Would it be worth wiping the iTouch and doing a clean sync ?

Thanks in advance
--
Andy
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2009-09-26 13:58:50
When syncing my iPod Touch 1g on 3.1, all the audiobooks I had synched with iTunes seem to be removed. Is there a way to create sync exceptions in foo_dop to prevent this?
Thanks
But why not sync them with foobar2000? I was thinking of adding some check boxes to control which types are excluded types from removal though.

Audible DRM
Do you know how to force a book to become an audiobook in the ipod section, btw? (so that it shows up not in other playlists)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-26 16:13:34
One minor problem - I found all the cover art for my albums but it doesn't get synced to the iTouch. My albums are stored under '<root>/Artist/Album' and I named the artwork as 'Cover.jpg'. The artwork shows up fine in Foobar2000. In iPod Manager option, I checked 'Add artwork to files sent to iPod' and 'Folder' for 'Source:'
You'll need to set the source to "Cover" then or just tick 'Additionally use built-in fooobar2000 artwork reader' as that should pick it up. Then run 'Load library' and use the 'Update artwork' shortcut menu command.

Audible DRM
So excluding DRM tracks from removal might be a better solution (?)
Do you know how to force a book to become an audiobook in the ipod section, btw? (so that it shows up not in other playlists)
You can set the MEDIA KIND field to Audiobook, does that do what you want?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-26 18:17:34
I'm using ipod nano 5G.
adgjmp.dip.jp/up/itunes1.7z
adgjmp.dip.jp/up/itunes2.7z (after play,skip,change rating...)
I hope that it useful.
Aha great, seems to all make sense, thanks  So there should be support for reading back play counts in one of the next builds..
Sorry, there's still one thing I'm not clear about. I would appreciate another backup, but instead with several tracks added by iTunes (not foo_dop). Then just do a few plays/skips/ratings again.. Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ise on 2009-09-27 14:51:34
Sorry, there's still one thing I'm not clear about. I would appreciate another backup, but instead with several tracks added by iTunes (not foo_dop). Then just do a few plays/skips/ratings again.. Thanks.

I used itunes.
adgjmp.dip.jp/up/itunes.7z
I hope that it useful.
I want to use sort order tag.
Would you support it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mrm on 2009-09-27 17:15:04
Do you know how to force a book to become an audiobook in the ipod section, btw? (so that it shows up not in other playlists)
You can set the MEDIA KIND field to Audiobook, does that do what you want?

I'm also interested in this. Where do I find this option?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-27 19:28:32
I used itunes.
adgjmp.dip.jp/up/itunes.7z
I hope that it useful.
Thanks. Seems like I was panicking over nothing - as far as I can see it should all already work.  I know how it all works now at least, which is quite useful

I want to use sort order tag.
Would you support it?
Yes, I should be able to add it for the next build.

Do you know how to force a book to become an audiobook in the ipod section, btw? (so that it shows up not in other playlists)
You can set the MEDIA KIND field to Audiobook, does that do what you want?

I'm also interested in this. Where do I find this option?
For now you have to open Properties and create that field with that value for the relevant tracks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2009-09-28 03:25:05
Audible DRM
So excluding DRM tracks from removal might be a better solution (?)
Do you know how to force a book to become an audiobook in the ipod section, btw? (so that it shows up not in other playlists)
You can set the MEDIA KIND field to Audiobook, does that do what you want?

Excluding DRM tracks might work.

As for the MEDIA KIND = Audiobook, I'll have to try that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Tassadar on 2009-09-29 12:22:32
Is it possible to even delete fiels on the Ipod through f2k?

I get the manager to work but i would also like to be able to delete files from the ipod so I don't have to install Itunes:P
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-09-29 13:25:48
Go to the top menu and click File > iPod > Load Library. You'll get a playlist with the contents of your iPod. Right-click on items you want to remove, find iPod > Remove from iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Tooobe on 2009-09-29 13:52:07
Hi,

when I want to synchronise my iPod Nano 5G, the plugin always wants to remove many mp3 files which shall be added in return, why!?

I tried everything: I changed all options within "Preferences", I rebuilt my iPod etc. !

I noticed this problem also with iPod Nano 4G...but it didn't occur until I removed some F** Folders within the music Folder on my iPod Device manually, what can't be undone now...

You can see this issue here:

http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/5842...henablage02.jpg (http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/58425/290909145118_sonstige_zwischenablage02.jpg)

It are always the same songs which shall be removed...the rest of the mp3 files stay on the iPod and the plugin doesn't have a problem with them.

Thanks for your help
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-29 17:34:52
Where are the source files stored? Have you double-checked the source files' last modified dates? Can you also compare one of the file's last modified date with the respective file's last modified date on the iPod? (Use load library, then open containing folder to locate the file on the iPod.)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Tooobe on 2009-09-29 17:57:53
Where are the source files stored? Have you double-checked the source files' last modified dates? Can you also compare one of the file's last modified date with the respective file's last modified date on the iPod? (Use load library, then open containing folder to locate the file on the iPod.)


The source files are stored on my local hard drive "D:\MP3s\"...the source files' last modified dates doesn't differ from the files which are stored on the iPod...

When I compare my foobar's playlist with the iPod view (currently there's only this playlist on my iPod), the last modified dates differ about one or two seconds...but some mp3 files which foo_dop wants to remove have exactly the same size, date etc as the source files...

I just found out that if I change some file information (e.g. tags) oder the file size, foo_dop replaces the file and then the issue with this file is resolved! But I can't resize oder modify 400 mp3 files...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-29 18:02:33
I will send you a version later on that logs some info which should explain what's going on..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-09-29 18:04:03
the plugin always wants to remove many mp3 files which shall be added in return, why!?



This happens to me all the time but is understandable. I have playback statistics set to write statistics to tags. So each play or rated song, tags are written. I have not compared the file stamps but the file is different so naturally foo_dop wants to update the file I just let it. If I don't want to wait for the files to remove and copy I just do "re-write database" command.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Tooobe on 2009-09-29 18:49:04
I will send you a version later on that logs some info which should explain what's going on..


I found out what's the problem: I have to mark all files in the foobar playlist and reload the file info!

Obviously the ipod manager compares the tracks in the playlists with the files on the iPod and not the files on the hard drive with the iPod one's!

So If you want to rescan your whole library then click library/album list and then right click on "all music" and choose tagging/reload info from files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-29 19:19:51
I found out what's the problem: I have to mark all files in the foobar playlist and reload the file info!

Obviously the ipod manager compares the tracks in the playlists with the files on the iPod and not the files on the hard drive with the iPod one's!

So If you want to rescan your whole library then click library/album list and then right click on "all music" and choose tagging/reload info from files.
That makes a bit more sense.

It does use file info that foobar2000 provides but it always requests foobar2000 to "load info if they have changed" for all source files which was supposed to these kind of issues. Are you using foobar2000 version 0.9.6.x and are the files in your media library? Do you use any external tagging programs?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Tooobe on 2009-09-29 19:47:06
Are you using foobar2000 version 0.9.6.x and are the files in your media library? Do you use any external tagging programs?


I'm using 0.9.6.9. Yes, the files are in the media library. I lately used MP3Gain to adjust the db of all my mp3 files. In this program I chosed not to change the date of the mp3 files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-09-29 20:31:34
Yes, that would likely be the problem. Preserving the modified date would have prevented the changes from being seen in foobar2000, but if the file was copied to the iPod afterwards the copy would have the changes and then foo_dop was seeing some difference in the tags or something..

So don't use any options to preserve modified dates as it will cause issues..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Tassadar on 2009-09-30 07:40:55
A wonderful relief that I now can tell Itunes to fuck off thanks to this wonderufl plugin:)

WOHOOOO!:)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-10-02 14:25:08
I am getting the following error in the console each time syncing my iPhone. There is not any adverse effects just thought I would let you know, may be harmless. I don't have any iTune U content on the iPhone either.

Code: [Select]
[08:18:55] iPod manager: SQL post process command error: duplicate column name: is_itunes_u
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shinsou on 2009-10-03 11:04:55
Can foo_dop sync ratings / play_counts with iPhone both ways? It just clears them all in ipod playlist when i press "load library" or "rewrite database"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-10-03 14:34:13
Can foo_dop sync ratings / play_counts with iPhone both ways? It just clears them all in ipod playlist when i press "load library" or "rewrite database"


I don't have any problems getting counts and ratings both ways on my phone. Just don't sync with iTunes between syncs with foo_dop as that will kill them. I usually do a syncronize or rewrite database. You do have these songs in your foobar2000 library?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shinsou on 2009-10-03 15:45:26
Can foo_dop sync ratings / play_counts with iPhone both ways? It just clears them all in ipod playlist when i press "load library" or "rewrite database"


I don't have any problems getting counts and ratings both ways on my phone. Just don't sync with iTunes between syncs with foo_dop as that will kill them. I usually do a syncronize or rewrite database. You do have these songs in your foobar2000 library?

Yes, these songs are in my library. I didn't sync iphone with itunes.
Choosing "sync with ipod" or "rewrite database" doesn't sync any tags with foobar.

An example: a song has 3 stars rating. iPod shows it correctly. I changed the rating to 5 stars; closed the ipod and clicked Rewrite DB in foobar. Ipod shows 3 stars again.. Looks like its syncing one way, foobar>>ipod only.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Exclamation Mark on 2009-10-03 16:33:02
Hi,

I'm using foo_dop 0.6.5.7 and foobar 0.9.6.9 with an iPhone 3GS. Whenever I try to send a song to the iPhone I get the following:

Please install/reinstall the MobileDeviceSign library.

What can I do?

Thanks,
Mark.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shinsou on 2009-10-03 17:55:27
Did you place those in foobar2000 dir?
http://yuo.be/download/DD57EECE-05D9-4a97-...2_zlib-1.2.3.7z (http://yuo.be/download/DD57EECE-05D9-4a97-9695-02D855FF8BD6/MobileDeviceSign_0.2_zlib-1.2.3.7z)

read FAQs carefully http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#faqs (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#faqs)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-10-03 19:27:34
Yes, these songs are in my library. I didn't sync iphone with itunes.
Choosing "sync with ipod" or "rewrite database" doesn't sync any tags with foobar.

An example: a song has 3 stars rating. iPod shows it correctly. I changed the rating to 5 stars; closed the ipod and clicked Rewrite DB in foobar. Ipod shows 3 stars again.. Looks like its syncing one way, foobar>>ipod only.


This is not happening to me. I de-rated a song from 5 to 4 and it did show up in foobar that way. I did play the entire song though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-10-03 19:33:46
Playing the entire song is the key. I guess foo_dop looks at songs played for the statistics. The iPhone doesn't consider a song played unless it is completely played to the end. You can use the slider to skip to the end of the song though. That will make the changes stick.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shinsou on 2009-10-03 21:54:44
You're right. Playing the whole song does the trick. But moving slider to the end doesn't force ipods database to update.

This is strange behaviour because in itunes its enough to move the slider to end without listening whole song. AND itunes syncs ratings even if the song wasn't played! I'd like this to be fixed...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-10-04 16:49:55
You're right. Playing the whole song does the trick. But moving slider to the end doesn't force ipods database to update.

This is strange behaviour because in itunes its enough to move the slider to end without listening whole song. AND itunes syncs ratings even if the song wasn't played! I'd like this to be fixed...


Moving the slider works for me that is, just like I had played the song. I have a playlist "not rated" that I go through to rate songs. Typically, it is songs that don't have a playcount as well. If it happens to be a song I don't like, I skip to the end, that way showing I have played the song and the rating that goes with it. I never had a case where I rated a song and not played it, though. I would say mostly my editing of song by rating or whatnot is done in foobar though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2009-10-04 21:56:15
I probably can guess the answer to this ("No"), but is there any way to make the updates made with this plugin visible in iTunes?

If I add tracks in foo_dop, the tracks are not visible if I reload the database through iTunes. I would love to be able to get rid of iTunes all together (foo_dop + foo_podcatcher + foo_audioscrobbler would probably do this for me), but I'm still a bit hesitant to dump iTunes until I know everything works fine without a hitch. (Same reason I've been hesitant to just switch to Rockbox outright.)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-10-05 00:35:34
I probably can guess the answer to this ("No"), but is there any way to make the updates made with this plugin visible in iTunes?

If I add tracks in foo_dop, the tracks are not visible if I reload the database through iTunes. I would love to be able to get rid of iTunes all together (foo_dop + foo_podcatcher + foo_audioscrobbler would probably do this for me), but I'm still a bit hesitant to dump iTunes until I know everything works fine without a hitch. (Same reason I've been hesitant to just switch to Rockbox outright.)


no you can't use both to edit the music database, as far as I know. You need to make the switch or not, you can always revert back...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2009-10-05 02:34:13
Well, technically I couldn't, because if I switched back to iTunes, I'd have essentially lost all the changes I made using foobar, and there's no "recover orphaned tracks" type option in iTunes to help me find the files to re-add them.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rubber soul on 2009-10-05 04:39:06
i noticed there are check boxes for playlists in the sync dialog box.  do these playlists just get added to the ipod during the sync, or can they be used to sync the entire ipod library.  what i want to do is create a playlist and call it ipod sync that i can add/remove albums to and sync my ipod library to that playlist rather than my media library (my home library is much larger than the capacity of my player).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-10-05 09:13:28
I am getting the following error in the console each time syncing my iPhone. There is not any adverse effects just thought I would let you know, may be harmless. I don't have any iTune U content on the iPhone either.
Don't worry about it, it's normal.

You're right. Playing the whole song does the trick. But moving slider to the end doesn't force ipods database to update.

This is strange behaviour because in itunes its enough to move the slider to end without listening whole song. AND itunes syncs ratings even if the song wasn't played! I'd like this to be fixed...
Not sure I can see any reason for that, unless the new rating is zero..

Well, technically I couldn't, because if I switched back to iTunes, I'd have essentially lost all the changes I made using foobar, and there's no "recover orphaned tracks" type option in iTunes to help me find the files to re-add them.
You need to check 'manually manage music and videos' in iTunes, sounds like you haven't.

i noticed there are check boxes for playlists in the sync dialog box.  do these playlists just get added to the ipod during the sync, or can they be used to sync the entire ipod library.  what i want to do is create a playlist and call it ipod sync that i can add/remove albums to and sync my ipod library to that playlist rather than my media library (my home library is much larger than the capacity of my player).
It will sync the contents of the playlist and then create the playlist as well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shinsou on 2009-10-05 10:21:52
Moving the slider works for me that is, just like I had played the song.
which device do you own?


This is strange behaviour because in itunes its enough to move the slider to end without listening whole song. AND itunes syncs ratings even if the song wasn't played! I'd like this to be fixed...
Not sure I can see any reason for that, unless the new rating is zero..
I've tried various ratings (1-5). Could this be a specific iphone problem?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-10-05 13:48:31
which device do you own?


I have a iPhone with 3.1
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-10-05 15:45:53
OK I can confirm that sliding is not working. I completely re-added my library to phone (not related to this) and now it does not work. So, before my reload working now not. Tried with re-write database and synchronize as well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2009-10-05 16:24:03
Well, technically I couldn't, because if I switched back to iTunes, I'd have essentially lost all the changes I made using foobar, and there's no "recover orphaned tracks" type option in iTunes to help me find the files to re-add them.
You need to check 'manually manage music and videos' in iTunes, sounds like you haven't.

Actually, that option has been set since day one. Since my library is not in iTunes, and is nominally stored in formats not supported by iTunes or iPod, I have to manually add files and do not sync.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shinsou on 2009-10-05 18:26:20
OK I can confirm that sliding is not working. I completely re-added my library to phone (not related to this) and now it does not work. So, before my reload working now not. Tried with re-write database and synchronize as well.
I have an iPhone v3.1 as well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-10-06 14:12:02
Anyone install iTunes 9.0.1 yet?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shinsou on 2009-10-06 14:36:21
Anyone install iTunes 9.0.1 yet?

I did
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2009-10-06 16:04:48
I'm using it currently. It works.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: nitroshot on 2009-10-08 17:32:05
Hey I just wanted to drop in and let you know how helpful your program has proven to be. I couldn't tell you how long I've been looking for a simple alternative syncing program to do exactly what you have accomplished with your ipod manger. I have been using it as a alternative to iTunes because iTunes refuses to reliably support/sync multiple different ipods on one machine for use in our school classroom with 15 ipods that consistently need to be updated with new podcasts and audio files.

I only have one simple feature request, when you select synchronize from foobar2000 File->iPod->"Synchronize..." can there be a selection window (or just a select all option?) that selects what ipods the program will attempt to automatically sync?

If that can be added please let me know cause this simple feature would save me quite a few mouse clicks
Thanks again
Mike
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: djkc on 2009-10-08 18:10:52
Found an odd bug with this today.
If I send files tagged and named in Japanese with my code page set to the English default everything is fine.  If I send them with my system default for non-unicode programs set to Japanese it works fine.  If I send them with it set to English but with Foobar loaded via Microsoft's AppLocale and set to Japanese, foo_dop screws up big time.  It sends the file names as "tracknumber - " <-- note the trailing space.  Normally there would be more file name after that, but the rest of the name and extension get cut off, presumably by some character encoding problem.  Windows really hates files with trailing spaces, eventually found if I went to command prompt and deleted/renamed them via \\?\driveletter:\ipod_control\music\f??\filename syntax I could change them, but normal Windows API programs like explorer or a simple del filename would not work.

Also, if I tried to do pretty much anything with the files via foo_dop it would get stuck until I hit cancel and/or cause explorer to crash.  Manually deleting them all let me remove them from the ipod database with it though.

Not really sure what to suggest to fix the problem, other than tighter filename/encoding checking possibly.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-10-09 01:46:08
Anyone tried 3.1.2 yet?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-10-09 03:09:12
Just updated to 3.1.2 on my iPhone. Music all in tact, added a video with foo_dop. I played a song and tried a sync, foo_dop didn't see any changes. Still testing though.

Yeah some strange stuff happening. Songs missing, albums missing. I go to ipod and rotate for cover flow, phone goes back to home screen.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2009-10-10 20:13:55
Question: When activating "Replaygain scan converted files" what do I need to edit in the parameters if I want my files to be processed as I do in foobar, which is "apply gain and prevent clipping according to peak"

Currently, the parameters I have in foo_dop are: "-S --noreplaygain -b 320 --vbr-new - %d"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-10-11 23:05:43
I've tried various ratings (1-5). Could this be a specific iphone problem?
Not sure, I have an iPod touch 64GB now so I should be able to do some testing to find out

Actually, that option has been set since day one. Since my library is not in iTunes, and is nominally stored in formats not supported by iTunes or iPod, I have to manually add files and do not sync.
iTunes shouldn't be removing anything from the iPod sent by foo_dop then, you don't keep it open whilst using foo_dop do you?

I only have one simple feature request, when you select synchronize from foobar2000 File->iPod->"Synchronize..." can there be a selection window (or just a select all option?) that selects what ipods the program will attempt to automatically sync?
Not sure whether you are asking for automatic syncing or just talking about the synchronise window? You can right click in the latter for a 'Select all' command though.

Found an odd bug with this today.
If I send files tagged and named in Japanese with my code page set to the English default everything is fine.  If I send them with my system default for non-unicode programs set to Japanese it works fine.  If I send them with it set to English but with Foobar loaded via Microsoft's AppLocale and set to Japanese, foo_dop screws up big time.  It sends the file names as "tracknumber - " <-- note the trailing space.  Normally there would be more file name after that, but the rest of the name and extension get cut off, presumably by some character encoding problem.  Windows really hates files with trailing spaces, eventually found if I went to command prompt and deleted/renamed them via \\?\driveletter:\ipod_control\music\f??\filename syntax I could change them, but normal Windows API programs like explorer or a simple del filename would not work.

Also, if I tried to do pretty much anything with the files via foo_dop it would get stuck until I hit cancel and/or cause explorer to crash.  Manually deleting them all let me remove them from the ipod database with it though.

Not really sure what to suggest to fix the problem, other than tighter filename/encoding checking possibly.
Can you post an example (source) filename that that happened to? Can't really see any reason for it.. Also, what OS?

Just updated to 3.1.2 on my iPhone. Music all in tact, added a video with foo_dop. I played a song and tried a sync, foo_dop didn't see any changes. Still testing though.

Yeah some strange stuff happening. Songs missing, albums missing. I go to ipod and rotate for cover flow, phone goes back to home screen.
Shouldn't really be any difference in 3.1.2 from 3.1.1/3.1. Still having problems?

Question: When activating "Replaygain scan converted files" what do I need to edit in the parameters if I want my files to be processed as I do in foobar, which is "apply gain and prevent clipping according to peak"

Currently, the parameters I have in foo_dop are: "-S --noreplaygain -b 320 --vbr-new - %d"
There's no way to do that on the component's side, it would probably have to be an option for the ReplayGain to SoundCheck conversion. Not sure if it would be entirely effective though as I don't have control over the iPod's playback engine.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2009-10-12 00:17:41
Ah ok... Well, could you give me a quick rundown of what the converters replaygain capabilities are? I.e.... What I should edit in the parameters.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-10-12 15:32:12
Shouldn't really be any difference in 3.1.2 from 3.1.1/3.1. Still having problems?


Well I was having enough problems to go back to 3.1 right after that post. iPod portion was almost unusable, songs missing, some showed in cover flow but not in artist or song list. Other times, I would click on the ipod and song list would show and then immediately change back to home screen. I needed my iphone in tact for the weekend. Maybe sometime this week I can switch back to it. I do know that removing all the files and just adding a few songs seemed to work fine, but no playcounts.

I am not sure if a newer version of the firmware will prompt the need for foo_dop to re-load the entire library or not.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-10-12 15:54:16
I'm having some problems with artwork on my iPod Nano 4G. Occasionally, some songs seem to have wrong album art (Even though it shows up fine in Foobar as a folder.jpg). I don't know why, but it's happened a couple of times. I haven't given it much thought or tried to find the cause yet. Any ideas?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: nitroshot on 2009-10-12 17:27:43
I only have one simple feature request, when you select synchronize from foobar2000 File->iPod->"Synchronize..." can there be a selection window (or just a select all option?) that selects what ipods the program will attempt to automatically sync?
Not sure whether you are asking for automatic syncing or just talking about the synchronise window? You can right click in the latter for a 'Select all' command though.


Well to clarify, I am looking for a simple way to use your software to automatically synchronize a couple selected playlists to a bunch of ipod touches I have connected to a computer all at once (kinda like a sequential clone process).
It seems right now foo_dop just sequentially picks one ipod to sync at a time, therefore you have to click "File->iPod->Synchronize..." in order for each ipod to actually sync the desired playlists.
Make any sense?

If you know of a easy way to set up foo_dop to do a one-step mass clone for a classroom setup you'd really be a life saver
Thanks again
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sebas on 2009-10-15 09:18:15
I there, I totally love this plugin. However, when I upload an compilation album (let's say the Best of the 80s) each number/single on the iPhone is show as an album. So I get 15 times the "best of" albums.

I am using an iPhone 3GS with the firmware (still) 3.1.

I tried looking on this forum for an answer but I couldn't find one  Any help is appreciated!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: viddy on 2009-10-15 16:25:50
I there, I totally love this plugin. However, when I upload an compilation album (let's say the Best of the 80s) each number/single on the iPhone is show as an album. So I get 15 times the "best of" albums.

I am using an iPhone 3GS with the firmware (still) 3.1.

I tried looking on this forum for an answer but I couldn't find one  Any help is appreciated!



This exact thing happens to me. Is there any workaround for this?
If i add an album with different artists (but still the same Album name), they show up in the "Albums"-view as seperate albums, but all the separate albums have all the songs in them.
So no matter which of the "albums" i pick, they all show the same songs. (And i am sure foo-dop only synced it once. cause syncing the entire album 30 times would take a while.)

Any ideas? :>
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-10-15 16:28:06
Any ideas? :>


Have you guys tried the tag ipod_compilation and set the value to 1?

http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:metadata (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:metadata)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Kornuit on 2009-10-15 16:37:20
Hi,

I'm using foo_dop 0.6.5.7 and foobar 0.9.6.9 with an iPhone 3GS. Whenever I try to send a song to the iPhone I get the following:

Please install/reinstall the MobileDeviceSign library.

What can I do?

Thanks,
Mark.

I have the same problem. MobileDeviceSign.dll and zlib1.dll are installed in components. I believe the log says there shouldn't be any problems but still i keep getting the "Please install/reinstall the MobileDeviceSign library" message whenever i want to sync with or send to my iPhone. I have enabled Mobile Divices Support. Seems to me that everything is in order but still  no luck.

Here's my log:

Code: [Select]
Album list panel: tree generated in : 0:00.272950
Audioscrobbler: Loaded
Startup time : 0:04.361136
iPod manager: Listening for Apple mobile devices.
iPod manager: Connected to Apple Mobile Device (DID: 2, PID: 1294, UID: 4e3c73506bbc41331ce4d7d8d21f7df02f5ec957)
iPod manager: USB AMD enumerator: Found USB\VID_05AC&PID_1294\4E3C73506BBC41331CE4D7D8D21F7DF02F5EC957
iPod manager: Apple Mobile Device: detected DBVersion: 4
iPod manager: Apple Mobile Device: detected SQLiteDB: true
iPod manager: 240 post process SQL commands, version 8
iPod manager: Apple iPod/iPhone connected. Device Instance Path: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1294\4E3C73506BBC41331CE4D7D8D21F7DF02F5EC957
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-10-15 16:39:56
I have the same problem. MobileDeviceSign.dll and zlib1.dll are installed in components.


Check the home page again. Those .dll's are not in the right spot.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-10-15 17:07:59
Meaning they should be in main foobar2000 application folder, is that where they are at?

http://yuo.be/ipod.php (http://yuo.be/ipod.php)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Saturos on 2009-10-16 12:08:33
Is there any way to create a playlist from the iPod in fb2k? More specifically, I have an On-The-Go playlist that I would want copied to fb2k.

Oh yeah, I have a 2009 160GB iPod, it's working just well with 0.6.5.7, just noticed some .flac files that are repeatedly synced to the iPod. Tad bit annoying.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Kornuit on 2009-10-16 13:10:22
Meaning they should be in main foobar2000 application folder, is that where they are at?

http://yuo.be/ipod.php (http://yuo.be/ipod.php)



Yep. Misread instructions... 
Thnx for the help, it's working fine now!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: viddy on 2009-10-16 14:38:10
Any ideas? :>


Have you guys tried the tag ipod_compilation and set the value to 1?

http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:metadata (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:metadata)


I tried this no, no change at all.
Something is acting really strange about this.

I tried different things, renaming the albums and so on.
And actually one of the times i renamed an album from "Test 1" to "Test 2" suddenly another album which had its normal name would be renamed as well. Even though i didnt TOUCH those files in foobar.

When i click "Load library" in foobar, all the names are correct. While on the iPhone the album is named something different (e.g Test 1). The compilation tag doesnt seem to change anything ever.

This seems .. strange.

Seems like it never fails as long as all tracks in the album has the same artist.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2009-10-16 19:44:34
I have an issue with using the "update metadata" function with my iPhone (3.1 firmware). I'm no longer able to modify any metadata. If I try, it reverts back to the old metadata. If I modify metadata from inside iTunes, the metadata changes will be reflected on the iPhone, but when I go back to Foobar2000 it will still display the old metadata when I reload the library.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Black_Over_Bills_Mothers on 2009-10-16 20:14:24
Dear musicmusic
I have a development request: With the increased usage of pen drives and memory cards as a means of storing music for use in car audio systems, would it be possible to use such a device instead of an iPod with your plugin? It would be great to grab a selection, apply replay-gain data and copy to a removable drive or drive\folder.

Thanks for all your hard work to date.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sebas on 2009-10-18 11:34:50
Any ideas? :>


Have you guys tried the tag ipod_compilation and set the value to 1?

http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:metadata (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:metadata)


All my albums are tagged with "ITUNESCOMPILATION" (1/0). I believe this is the official tag for compilations.

However am I right I need to use "ipod_compilation" for proper use with iPod Manager? If so I will change all my files. Or is it possible to change "ipod_compilation" to "ITUNESCOMPILATION"?

Cheers
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-10-18 15:18:16
Version 0.6.5.8 released. Mainly improvements for iPod touch/iPhone.

I'm having some problems with artwork on my iPod Nano 4G. Occasionally, some songs seem to have wrong album art (Even though it shows up fine in Foobar as a folder.jpg). I don't know why, but it's happened a couple of times. I haven't given it much thought or tried to find the cause yet. Any ideas?
What do you mean by "wrong"? Best guess is it is picking up embedded artwork or some hidden file.

I there, I totally love this plugin. However, when I upload an compilation album (let's say the Best of the 80s) each number/single on the iPhone is show as an album. So I get 15 times the "best of" albums.

I am using an iPhone 3GS with the firmware (still) 3.1.

I tried looking on this forum for an answer but I couldn't find one  Any help is appreciated!
Make sure you set the "Album Artist" field, and that the compilation mapping is flagging them as compilations.

Is there any way to create a playlist from the iPod in fb2k? More specifically, I have an On-The-Go playlist that I would want copied to fb2k.
It should read the OTG playlist from an iPod classic, so you can go View/iPod devices and select the playlist to load it in foobar2000. But it will point to files on your iPod and not your computer.

Oh yeah, I have a 2009 160GB iPod, it's working just well with 0.6.5.7, just noticed some .flac files that are repeatedly synced to the iPod. Tad bit annoying.
Could be this (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#i_tagged_some_of_my_files_with_an_external_tagging_program_and_now_they_are_always_recopied_when_syncing), try openeing the properties for the source files and using Tools/Reload info.

I have an issue with using the "update metadata" function with my iPhone (3.1 firmware). I'm no longer able to modify any metadata. If I try, it reverts back to the old metadata. If I modify metadata from inside iTunes, the metadata changes will be reflected on the iPhone, but when I go back to Foobar2000 it will still display the old metadata when I reload the library.
'Update metadata' updates the iPod database with the files' tags (from the copy of the file on the device) as displayed in foobar2000. If that's what you wanted explain step-by-step what you are doing and where it misbehaved.

Dear musicmusic
I have a development request: With the increased usage of pen drives and memory cards as a means of storing music for use in car audio systems, would it be possible to use such a device instead of an iPod with your plugin? It would be great to grab a selection, apply replay-gain data and copy to a removable drive or drive\folder.

Thanks for all your hard work to date.
Ultimately, the component is designed around being used with an iPod, so I'm not planning such a thing, sorry

All my albums are tagged with "ITUNESCOMPILATION" (1/0). I believe this is the official tag for compilations.

However am I right I need to use "ipod_compilation" for proper use with iPod Manager? If so I will change all my files. Or is it possible to change "ipod_compilation" to "ITUNESCOMPILATION"?
Just change the mapping in preferences to %ITUNESCOMPILATION%.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shinsou on 2009-10-19 17:55:52
syncing ratings without playing whole song still doesn't work with 0.6.5.8
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-10-19 19:07:36
I've tested myself and it does work.

There is a little delay before the device updates the file where the info is pulled from (~2 minutes) so I'm not sure if that is interfering with your testing.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-10-19 19:19:10
There is a little delay before the device updates the file where the info is pulled from (~2 minutes) so I'm not sure if that is interfering with your testing.


That was interfering with my tests, nice catch. I was fixing to post when I read this. Retested and I can confirm it is working you just have to wait a few minutes.

I am going to try to load 3.1.2 firmware again. Does anyone else have it loaded?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2009-10-19 20:01:00
Quote
I am going to try to load 3.1.2 firmware again. Does anyone else have it loaded?


I'm using 3.1.2 and everything appears fine.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shinsou on 2009-10-19 20:04:27
I've tested myself and it does work.

There is a little delay before the device updates the file where the info is pulled from (~2 minutes) so I'm not sure if that is interfering with your testing.

Well, when I rate a song and leave my ipod for a while (not in a background), the next synchronization is successful. But the strange thing is that itunes' database doesn't need ~2min delay to sync successfully. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2009-10-19 21:07:25
I have an issue with using the "update metadata" function with my iPhone (3.1 firmware). I'm no longer able to modify any metadata. If I try, it reverts back to the old metadata. If I modify metadata from inside iTunes, the metadata changes will be reflected on the iPhone, but when I go back to Foobar2000 it will still display the old metadata when I reload the library.
'Update metadata' updates the iPod database with the files' tags (from the copy of the file on the device) as displayed in foobar2000. If that's what you wanted explain step-by-step what you are doing and where it misbehaved.

First I directly modify the ID3 tags of the files present on my iPhone with the "Properties" screen. After this I have to "Reload Info" for the tag changes I made to the files to reflect in the playlist. I then "Update metadata" for the file in question. Instantly the tags visible in the playlist revert to the old metadata. If I go into properties again and "Reload Info", it will change back to my modified version of the tags. So the files have been modified but the changes aren't reflected in the metadata.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-10-19 22:41:10
But the strange thing is that itunes' database doesn't need ~2min delay to sync successfully. 
You might be right there and I have an idea of what's going wrong... but I need to check.

First I directly modify the ID3 tags of the files present on my iPhone with the "Properties" screen. After this I have to "Reload Info" for the tag changes I made to the files to reflect in the playlist. I then "Update metadata" for the file in question. Instantly the tags visible in the playlist revert to the old metadata. If I go into properties again and "Reload Info", it will change back to my modified version of the tags. So the files have been modified but the changes aren't reflected in the metadata.
Under foo_dop 0.6.5.8, do files on the device have valid last modified dates in their properties? They do on my touch 3G with firmware 3.1.2 so let's hope that it's not hardware dependent..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2009-10-19 23:53:02
First I directly modify the ID3 tags of the files present on my iPhone with the "Properties" screen. After this I have to "Reload Info" for the tag changes I made to the files to reflect in the playlist. I then "Update metadata" for the file in question. Instantly the tags visible in the playlist revert to the old metadata. If I go into properties again and "Reload Info", it will change back to my modified version of the tags. So the files have been modified but the changes aren't reflected in the metadata.
Under foo_dop 0.6.5.8, do files on the device have valid last modified dates in their properties? They do on my touch 3G with firmware 3.1.2 so let's hope that it's not hardware dependent..


It turns out they are all "<invalid timestamp>". Clearly some wrong there.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-10-20 07:51:46
Do they stay like that if you do a "reload info"?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2009-10-20 16:04:10
It gives me a proper timestamp if I "Reload Info".
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-10-20 17:23:13
I think the old timestamps have been cached and are causing issues.

This should hopefully sort your problem:

1. Do a load library
2. Run reload info on all the loaded tracks.
3. Use iPhone Explorer / Browser etc. to delete metadata_cache.fpl from the root of the device.
4. Do another load library.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2009-10-20 18:28:03
Worked like a charm thanks. I tried deleting he metadata cache before, but not after doing a reload info.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mpioner on 2009-10-22 02:22:49
musicmusic
Please add value %ALBUM ARTIST% to metadata mapping. is one of the right decisions to add albums with various artists
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chippit on 2009-10-22 13:41:40
Firstly, thanks for a great plugin. It's completely removed my reliance on iTunes (which I really wouldn't touch unless I absolutely have to), and it works better than other similar addons I've used for programs like Windows Media Player and Winamp.

I have one suggestion, and one minor problem, however.

Firstly, would it be possible to get the plugin to sync stats back to foobar before reading the playlists for the next sync? My current setup has it synchronising an autoplaylist built on song ratings (among other things). Ideally, I'd like to be able to give a song a low rating on my iPod and then have it automatically removed when I sync again. In its current implementation, I need to sync twice to achieve this -- once to set the rating on foobar's side, and again to have that file removed from the autoplaylist and, subsequently, from the iPod. That seems a bit excessive.

Secondly, I've recently ripped some tracks that seem to behave quite curiously. Part of an album gets resent to my iPod as if the files have changed, even though they haven't. I can sync the same playlist twice in a row, and these files keep getting removed and replaced each time, consistently. I've tried to remove all files from my iPod and sent everything all over again, but the problem persists. It's particularly annoying since these are FLAC-encoded files, and the transcoding takes quite some time. What's wrong here? It's the first time it's done this.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-10-22 19:57:35
musicmusic
Please add value %ALBUM ARTIST% to metadata mapping. is one of the right decisions to add albums with various artists
I can add a mapping for Album Artist, yes.

Firstly, would it be possible to get the plugin to sync stats back to foobar before reading the playlists for the next sync? My current setup has it synchronising an autoplaylist built on song ratings (among other things). Ideally, I'd like to be able to give a song a low rating on my iPod and then have it automatically removed when I sync again. In its current implementation, I need to sync twice to achieve this -- once to set the rating on foobar's side, and again to have that file removed from the autoplaylist and, subsequently, from the iPod. That seems a bit excessive.
I understand, it's just slighty tricky. For it to work without misleading results, I think the window where you select playlists etc. would have to be delayed, so I'll have a think about it. You could do a 'rewrite database' followed by a 'sync' though if that makes things any simpler. There's also the possibility of smart playlists on the device.

Secondly, I've recently ripped some tracks that seem to behave quite curiously. Part of an album gets resent to my iPod as if the files have changed, even though they haven't. I can sync the same playlist twice in a row, and these files keep getting removed and replaced each time, consistently. I've tried to remove all files from my iPod and sent everything all over again, but the problem persists. It's particularly annoying since these are FLAC-encoded files, and the transcoding takes quite some time. What's wrong here? It's the first time it's done this.
Possibly this:
http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#i_tagged_some...ed_when_syncing (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#i_tagged_some_of_my_files_with_an_external_tagging_program_and_now_they_are_always_recopied_when_syncing)

Try running 'Reload info' under Properties for the source tracks.

The other alternative is one of the metadata fields is changing after the conversion.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chippit on 2009-10-22 22:27:57
I understand, it's just slighty tricky. For it to work without misleading results, I think the window where you select playlists etc. would have to be delayed, so I'll have a think about it. You could do a 'rewrite database' followed by a 'sync' though if that makes things any simpler. There's also the possibility of smart playlists on the device.

Aha, that solution works okay. I've mapped them both to my magic 'one-click sync' button, and that seems to solve the problem. Awesome!

Possibly this:
http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#i_tagged_some...ed_when_syncing (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#i_tagged_some_of_my_files_with_an_external_tagging_program_and_now_they_are_always_recopied_when_syncing)

Try running 'Reload info' under Properties for the source tracks.

The other alternative is one of the metadata fields is changing after the conversion.

It looks like the latter issue was the problem. I had a good look at the metadata for the offending tracks and it turns out they all had leading zeroes in the track number field (the single digit ones, at least). Those were presumably getting stripped in the sync process, and the plugin thought the files were different. Removing the leading digits fixed the problem.

Thanks a ton, and keep up the great work!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-10-22 22:53:33
It looks like the latter issue was the problem. I had a good look at the metadata for the offending tracks and it turns out they all had leading zeroes in the track number field (the single digit ones, at least). Those were presumably getting stripped in the sync process, and the plugin thought the files were different. Removing the leading digits fixed the problem.
Thanks, I'll take a look and fix that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: koori on 2009-10-23 13:21:18
I did some testing.
I click "File -> Ipod -> Send playlists...", select playlist and send it to ipod. This playlist plays fine.
Then lets try to remove it. "File -> Ipod -> Manage contents", select playlist and click "Remove". It removes playlist... But files are still there. How to remove them with this plugin? Or what am I doing wrong?

PS Sorry, my English isn't very good.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Northpack on 2009-10-23 15:48:29
Quote
I can add a mapping for Album Artist, yes.

When you do this, could you pleasepleaseplease consider to add another mapping "Audiobook" (setting both IPOD_SKIP_WHEN_SHUFFLING and IPOD_REMEMBER_PLAYBACK_POSITION)? I'd love to have such a mapping to map certain genres (i.e. "$if($stricmp($meta(genre),spoken word),1)") to those tags.

Another feature request: It would be nice if you could simply select one of Foobars existing Converter Settings as defined in Tools/Converter instead of having an extra setting defined on the iPod Manager/Conversion page.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2009-10-23 19:44:38
I think the old timestamps have been cached and are causing issues.

This should hopefully sort your problem:

1. Do a load library
2. Run reload info on all the loaded tracks.
3. Use iPhone Explorer / Browser etc. to delete metadata_cache.fpl from the root of the device.
4. Do another load library.

I've had to perform this operation again in order to modify metadata. Same problems as before. I pretty sure I've updated to 0.6.5.8 on both the computers I use foo_dop on.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-10-23 20:14:28
I did some testing.
I click "File -> Ipod -> Send playlists...", select playlist and send it to ipod. This playlist plays fine.
Then lets try to remove it. "File -> Ipod -> Manage contents", select playlist and click "Remove". It removes playlist... But files are still there. How to remove them with this plugin? Or what am I doing wrong?

PS Sorry, my English isn't very good.
You need to do 'Load library' or select something from 'View/iPod devices' and then use 'iPod/Remove from iPod' in the shortcut menu.

When you do this, could you pleasepleaseplease consider to add another mapping "Audiobook" (setting both IPOD_SKIP_WHEN_SHUFFLING and IPOD_REMEMBER_PLAYBACK_POSITION)? I'd love to have such a mapping to map certain genres (i.e. "$if($stricmp($meta(genre),spoken word),1)") to those tags.
Are you averse to setting the MEDIA KIND field though?

Another feature request: It would be nice if you could simply select one of Foobars existing Converter Settings as defined in Tools/Converter instead of having an extra setting defined on the iPod Manager/Conversion page.
There's no proper way for the component access that information.

I've had to perform this operation again in order to modify metadata. Same problems as before. I pretty sure I've updated to 0.6.5.8 on both the computers I use foo_dop on.
I would guess you had some of the files loaded/saved in a playlist on the other computer, that would act in the same way as the component's own cache (preserving the old unwanted timestamps).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dremora on 2009-10-24 14:06:11
Quote
I can add a mapping for Album Artist, yes.

When you do this, could you pleasepleaseplease consider to add another mapping "Audiobook" (setting both IPOD_SKIP_WHEN_SHUFFLING and IPOD_REMEMBER_PLAYBACK_POSITION)? I'd love to have such a mapping to map certain genres (i.e. "$if($stricmp($meta(genre),spoken word),1)") to those tags.

And for ALBUMSORTORDER too, please  I prefer to use %date% to sort albums.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Northpack on 2009-10-25 12:51:47
Are you averse to setting the MEDIA KIND field though?
What exactly does the MEDIA KIND field do? I came up with that request about a year ago, and you responded that until you've implementend such a mapping I should set the fields IPOD_SKIP_WHEN_SHUFFLING and IPOD_REMEMBER_PLAYBACK_POSITION as a workaround

And for ALBUMSORTORDER too, please  I prefer to use %date% to sort albums.
I simply put the date in front of the album name: ['('%date%')' ]%album%
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-10-25 19:34:22
But the strange thing is that itunes' database doesn't need ~2min delay to sync successfully. 
You might be right there and I have an idea of what's going wrong... but I need to check.
Please give 0.5.6.9 a try

And for ALBUMSORTORDER too, please  I prefer to use %date% to sort albums.
Hi,
I don't really want to add it until I have some sanity checking on sort fields in place. I'll keep it in mind though.

Are you averse to setting the MEDIA KIND field though?
What exactly does the MEDIA KIND field do?
Set it to Audiobook and it does roughly what you want.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shinsou on 2009-10-26 15:47:59
But the strange thing is that itunes' database doesn't need ~2min delay to sync successfully. 
You might be right there and I have an idea of what's going wrong... but I need to check.
Please give 0.5.6.9 a try

I was waiting for this fix. Yes, it works correctly now! Thanks a lot !!!
Iphone 3G FW 3.1.2
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: don139 on 2009-10-28 14:17:04
I try 0.5.6.9, sortorder field not supported?

I set TITLESORTORDER, and send to iPod 5G.
But, not reflect iPod databases
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NinjaN on 2009-11-01 10:07:41
First things first:

Thank you very much for this superb component, musicmusic!
This is so much better than this crap Apple calls iTunes.


Now, I've got a (hopefully) small feature request:
Could you please make mapping to the %comment% field possible?

Background is as follows:
I've tagged my mp3s quite extensively. I have fields like %singer%, %live%, %source%, %language%, etc. What I would like to do is to fill the %comment% field with these fields when transferring to my iPod, so I can have quite a "super tag" containing all the different information. I need this "super tag" because neither iTunes nor foo_dop can use my custom fields for autoplaylists...

btw, I'm running iPhoneOS 3.1.2 on my iPod touch 3G 32GiB without any problems whatsoever.


NinjaN
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-11-01 15:55:47
I recently started converting the music I sent to my iPod, to aac. Now, won't show up because they're, I'm assuming, still in the %unsynced lyrics% field. What can I do to change this? I tried changing my parameters to
Code: [Select]
-q 0.30 -lc -ignorelength -if - -of %d && "D:\Users\Rikard\foobar2000\aac\win32\Neroaactag.exe" %d -meta:lyrics="%unsynced lyrics%"
, which didn't help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: eradumvelhinho on 2009-11-01 18:31:34
I have fields like %singer%, %live%, %source%, %language%, etc. What I would like to do is to fill the %comment% field with these fields when transferring to my iPod, so I can have quite a "super tag" containing all the different information. I need this "super tag" because neither iTunes nor foo_dop can use my custom fields for autoplaylists...

NinjaN


Do you need the %comment% tag clean when the files are in the media library? If not, you can run a script with the masstagger to copy all the tags you want to the comment. I did that with one of my tags. If it works with one tag I think it will work with more.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NinjaN on 2009-11-02 08:34:07
@eradumvelhinho:

I know of the possibility using Masstager with custom scripts. I'd like to have an automatic mapping so I don't have to do this myself...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-11-02 22:23:59
I try 0.5.6.9, sortorder field not supported?

I set TITLESORTORDER, and send to iPod 5G.
But, not reflect iPod databases
Sorry, I've fixed it for the next build. But I don't believe the 5G has proper support for sort fields, unless it was fixed by one of the last firmware upgrades. (The 'big letter scroll' thing wouldn't function correctly on anything other than the artist list.)

Now, I've got a (hopefully) small feature request:
Could you please make mapping to the %comment% field possible?
OK.

I recently started converting the music I sent to my iPod, to aac. Now, won't show up because they're, I'm assuming, still in the %unsynced lyrics% field. What can I do to change this? I tried changing my parameters to
Code: [Select]
-q 0.30 -lc -ignorelength -if - -of %d && "D:\Users\Rikard\foobar2000\aac\win32\Neroaactag.exe" %d -meta:lyrics="%unsynced lyrics%"
, which didn't help.
fb2k maps the lyrics field to "LYRICS" for mp4 but "UNSYNCED LYRICS" for MP3 (ID3v2), so it doesn't end up in the right place in the file after that conversion. You won't be able to work around it like that because the component tags the file after executing the CLI command (so what you did would be lost).

I can probably write a workaround for when you are doing that conversion, since if the mapping changes I will need to make changes on my side anyway. Could you confirm your source file format though (MP3?)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2009-11-02 22:50:21
I recently started converting the music I sent to my iPod, to aac. Now, won't show up because they're, I'm assuming, still in the %unsynced lyrics% field. What can I do to change this? I tried changing my parameters to
Code: [Select]
-q 0.30 -lc -ignorelength -if - -of %d && "D:\Users\Rikard\foobar2000\aac\win32\Neroaactag.exe" %d -meta:lyrics="%unsynced lyrics%"
, which didn't help.
fb2k maps the lyrics field to "LYRICS" for mp4 but "UNSYNCED LYRICS" for MP3 (ID3v2), so it doesn't end up in the right place in the file after that conversion. You won't be able to work around it like that because the component tags the file after executing the CLI command (so what you did would be lost).

I can probably write a workaround for when you are doing that conversion, since if the mapping changes I will need to make changes on my side anyway. Could you confirm your source file format though (MP3?)

That would be great! Yeah, converting from MP3 to AAC/MP4
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NinjaN on 2009-11-03 11:16:47
[...]
Now, I've got a (hopefully) small feature request:
Could you please make mapping to the %comment% field possible?
OK.
[...]



Yay! Thank you very much!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mgrynhaus on 2009-11-05 19:32:17
Pls help me i heard of this player and its really good to play music from ur ipod i downloaded 'it' and 'foo_dop-0.6.5.9.7z' moved the dll file into 'C:\Program Files\foobar2000\components' but now how am i ment to finish it off i cant get the music from my ipod WHAT AM I MENT TO DO PLS HELP ME!!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-11-05 22:39:12
Anyone using an Intel P55 chipset with an iPhone or iPod touch, please ensure you are using the latest BIOS version/look out for upcoming BIOS updates to avoid USB communication problems with the device (documented on the FAQ page for this component).

ASUS have released a updates for their boards, on their FTP site (http://ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1156/) (it's not on their download page yet). I verified that the problem is gone for me.

Pls help me i heard of this player and its really good to play music from ur ipod i downloaded 'it' and 'foo_dop-0.6.5.9.7z' moved the dll file into 'C:\Program Files\foobar2000\components' but now how am i ment to finish it off i cant get the music from my ipod WHAT AM I MENT TO DO PLS HELP ME!!
I DON'T KNOW WHAT DID YOU TRY.

Start reading here. (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2009-11-08 16:18:17
i'd like to amplify my files with the "soundcheck adjustment" feature. my car hifi system is a bit weak so i have to set the volume to max most of the time. how do i find out which adjustment value is safe to use? (i don't want to introduce additional clipping of course)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Northpack on 2009-11-09 19:04:17
i'd like to amplify my files with the "soundcheck adjustment" feature. my car hifi system is a bit weak so i have to set the volume to max most of the time. how do i find out which adjustment value is safe to use? (i don't want to introduce additional clipping of course)

It simply depends on the ReplayGain value of the tracks. You can safely boost the SoundCheck volume up to the amount ReplayGain previously decreased it... any more is likely to cause clipping. For most modern pop/rock music you could probably set it to +8db, but include a properly mastered classical record and you'll get clipping for sure. I've set mine to +2db and very, very rarely get any audible clipping. But if I'd listened to classic mostly I woudn't adjust it at all (some rare classical records even clip at the default 89db ReplayGain value)

Btw, musicmusic, does foo_dop fall back to track gain if album gain is chosen and there's only track gain, like Foobar does?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: raymix on 2009-11-10 15:54:37
the website isn't available right now, could you please upload the file again?
and does this plugin support the 3.1.2 version iphone 3gs?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-11-10 18:48:23
Btw, musicmusic, does foo_dop fall back to track gain if album gain is chosen and there's only track gain, like Foobar does?
Yes, always did.

the website isn't available right now, could you please upload the file again?
It's fine now but it might depend on your DNS server updating.
and does this plugin support the 3.1.2 version iphone 3gs?
Yes
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: andreatop76 on 2009-11-16 12:05:52
Hello! I have the problem.

When i make file  - Ipod- Synchronise - i have this:

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/593/clipboard01lb.jpg (http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/593/clipboard01lb.jpg)


I have MobileDeviceSign.dll in folder components.... 

I have Ipod Nano 5°gen.  8GB


Help me!!

Excuse me for my bad english

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-11-16 19:19:04
Then you didn't install it correctly  Check the download page again.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bamboula on 2009-11-16 19:54:26
Hi,

Just installed foo_dop with zlib and mobiledevicesign.
My iPod Touch 2G 3.1 is properly recognized, the following appears in the console :
Code: [Select]
iPod manager: Apple Mobile Device: New device detected.
iPod manager: Connected to Apple Mobile Device (PID: 1293, UID: b1e0314f065644424805167502075cc9f6163b82)
iPod manager: USB AMD enumerator: Found USB\VID_05AC&PID_1293\B1E0314F065644424805167502075CC9F6163B82
iPod manager: Apple Mobile Device: detected DBVersion: 4
iPod manager: Apple Mobile Device: detected SQLiteDB: true
iPod manager: 240 post process SQL commands, version 8
iPod manager: Apple iPod/iPhone connected. Device Instance Path: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1293\B1E0314F065644424805167502075CC9F6163B82


However, whatever action I try, I have the following error :
Quote
Error reading iTunesDB : Invalid format; expected header marker "dshm" got "ÝìÚx"


The iPod works well with other software...

What am I missing ?

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-11-16 20:49:35
Does iTunes recognise it OK?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: andreatop76 on 2009-11-16 21:33:04
Then you didn't install it correctly  Check the download page again.



Download again?  It does not work....problem not resolved... 

What can be?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bamboula on 2009-11-16 21:35:39
Does iTunes recognise it OK?

Actually not...
Factory resetting at the moment.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-11-16 21:57:10
Download again?  It does not work....problem not resolved...
Well no, doing the same thing again won't help  It says "Extract to your main foobar2000 application folder" - that's not the components folder, but the folder one level above.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: andreatop76 on 2009-11-16 22:09:40
Download again?  It does not work....problem not resolved...
Well no, doing the same thing again won't help  It says "Extract to your main foobar2000 application folder" - that's not the components folder, but the folder one level above.



Excuse me, I do not speak English...

Ok! Resolved!! Thanks! 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bamboula on 2009-11-16 22:12:11
Does iTunes recognise it OK?

Actually not...
Factory resetting at the moment.

OK it's working now...

Cheers !
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-11-16 22:26:33
OK it's working now...

Cheers !
OK cool, sounds like something wrote a broken database then, do you know what?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bamboula on 2009-11-17 00:14:56
OK it's working now...

Cheers !
OK cool, sounds like something wrote a broken database then, do you know what?

Probably CopyTransManager...
I'm using foo_dop now so this shouldn't happen again !
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mystNZ on 2009-11-17 04:36:35
Hi musicmusic, I get the following error in the console: "iPod manager: Error intialising Mobile Device support: Failed to load QTMLClient.dll - The specified module could not be found."

I have installed "AppleMobileDeviceSupport.msi"...extracted from the latest iTunes install file. Also, I have QuickTimeAlternative installed instead of QuickTime in order to play QT media (which all works normally BTW).

I do have the file "QTMLClient.dll" within the QuickTimeAlternative folder...
I have tried copying that file to various folders (foobar folder, its plugins folder, windows, windows/system32) to no avail... any ideas (besides actually installing QT from scratch which I would like to avoid if possible)? Does your plugin look for that file in a particular location maybe?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-11-17 21:09:36
AFAIK it sets some registry entries differently from the actual Quicktime which causes the issue, but anyway only the original Quicktime is recommended. You might need Apple Application Support as well these days, not sure.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Tropican on 2009-11-18 18:35:47
This is going to sound like an odd request, but is there any way we could get the option to apply DSPs on the transcode page? Things such as crossfeed, Dolby Headphone, etc. are designed especially for headphones and might be useful to have automagically with a foo_dop sync.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: deepwave on 2009-11-19 23:24:55
Hi all, is it possible to modify the iPod Manager that way that it can be used with Standard MP3-Player in MSC/UMS mode (e.g. cowon D2, like in my case)?
The iPod Manager seems to be the very best sync-component around, but also the only one for foobar!
That is the only drawback, I have to use MediaMonkey just for syncing my D2, and the manual thing (with file operations - copy) is very annoying, if you have 16 + 16 GB!
It would be perfect if you could sync a playlist to a device.

Saludos, Deepwave
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gob on 2009-11-22 19:26:21
Hi, is there any components or features to do a quick comparison between the ipod database and f2k's database?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Takaji on 2009-11-22 19:47:49
Everytime I sync my music library to my ipod, any file with changes are re-uploaded to the ipod. This includes songs where the only thing that's changed is the playcount. Is there a way to prevent files where only the playcount/date last played/etc has been changed from being re-uploaded to the ipod? This would save a lot of time when syncing the library.

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: santosh.s on 2009-11-23 07:45:54
Hi musicmusic, I recently started using this plugin for syncing a latest ipod classic (160Gb) model, to me it looks like the best iTunes alternative!

While sending a list of songs to iPod, it seems ALL files are transcoded to a temporary location first, and deleted at the end. When the list is huge and/or if ALAC encoder (using ffmpeg) is used, it needs a large amount of temp space. Is there any way to automatically transcode songs one by one, processing each of them with options chosen, transferring to iPod and deleting immediately after that step, thereby overcoming the requirement of large disk space?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-11-24 02:32:31
Everytime I sync my music library to my ipod, any file with changes are re-uploaded to the ipod. This includes songs where the only thing that's changed is the playcount. Is there a way to prevent files where only the playcount/date last played/etc has been changed from being re-uploaded to the ipod? This would save a lot of time when syncing the library.

Thanks!


Do you happen to be using "write playback statistics to tag"? If you are then no, each time a song's tag is written (each time you play a song) the file itself is being changed and foo_dop is seeing the files as different as it should.

I would assume that musicmusic could fix this by having dop write the changed tag to the file but that would be almost like copying the file anyway. Correct me if I am wrong but I think it is working as it should.

If you are not using "write playback statistics to tag" then I have no idea why it may be doing this.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-11-24 02:38:53
Does anyone else have problems with smart playlists not updating on iPhone? I have live updating checked but songs are not getting updated. Example I have a playlist that has a Rating of 5 and last played is not in last 60 days. I select my playlist and shuffle. I see 802 songs, play one, go back to playlist shuffle again, and I still have 802 songs. Also, I can do the same thing by rating one of them less than 5 and it still keeps it on the playlist. Can anyone else confirm this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: yuriks on 2009-11-24 04:45:18
I've been trying for about 40 minutes but I just can't get relative artwork paths working.

This is what I have: $if($meta(CATEGORY),.\..\..\cover,cover)

The exact same script (but with .jpg at the end) works on the builtin reader so I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Are relative paths actually NOT supported? It seems to break if I add more than one \ to it. (.\.\ doesn't seems to work either, though .\ does)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-11-24 23:16:07
This is going to sound like an odd request, but is there any way we could get the option to apply DSPs on the transcode page? Things such as crossfeed, Dolby Headphone, etc. are designed especially for headphones and might be useful to have automagically with a foo_dop sync.
Of course it could be implemented, but wouldn't your use require you to transcode every track..?

Hi all, is it possible to modify the iPod Manager that way that it can be used with Standard MP3-Player in MSC/UMS mode (e.g. cowon D2, like in my case)?
The iPod Manager seems to be the very best sync-component around, but also the only one for foobar!
That is the only drawback, I have to use MediaMonkey just for syncing my D2, and the manual thing (with file operations - copy) is very annoying, if you have 16 + 16 GB!
It would be perfect if you could sync a playlist to a device.

Saludos, Deepwave
Well ideally, there'd be some sort of framework to handle all kinds of portable devices in one place. But the component was written around supporting iPods, so it would be a bit of work trying to add support for anything else. Not to mention iPod support in itself is a lot of work these days..

Hi, is there any components or features to do a quick comparison between the ipod database and f2k's database?
There's the sync command (i.e. the preview).

Everytime I sync my music library to my ipod, any file with changes are re-uploaded to the ipod. This includes songs where the only thing that's changed is the playcount. Is there a way to prevent files where only the playcount/date last played/etc has been changed from being re-uploaded to the ipod? This would save a lot of time when syncing the library.

Thanks!
As mentioned, you can disable any options to write playback stats to files.

Hi musicmusic, I recently started using this plugin for syncing a latest ipod classic (160Gb) model, to me it looks like the best iTunes alternative!

While sending a list of songs to iPod, it seems ALL files are transcoded to a temporary location first, and deleted at the end. When the list is huge and/or if ALAC encoder (using ffmpeg) is used, it needs a large amount of temp space. Is there any way to automatically transcode songs one by one, processing each of them with options chosen, transferring to iPod and deleting immediately after that step, thereby overcoming the requirement of large disk space?
It will copy complete albums at a time - that's not the whole lot though. That allows it to run some processes such as ReplayGain scanning. Feel free to set your TMP/TEMP environment variables to point to somewhere you have space though.

Does anyone else have problems with smart playlists not updating on iPhone? I have live updating checked but songs are not getting updated. Example I have a playlist that has a Rating of 5 and last played is not in last 60 days. I select my playlist and shuffle. I see 802 songs, play one, go back to playlist shuffle again, and I still have 802 songs. Also, I can do the same thing by rating one of them less than 5 and it still keeps it on the playlist. Can anyone else confirm this?
I tested a ratings playlist only recently and it did work. But if you are playing and rating a track directly from the smart playlist, it won't go away straight away. You have to do something like play a track elsewhere for it to go away.

I've been trying for about 40 minutes but I just can't get relative artwork paths working.

This is what I have: $if($meta(CATEGORY),.\..\..\cover,cover)

The exact same script (but with .jpg at the end) works on the builtin reader so I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Are relative paths actually NOT supported? It seems to break if I add more than one \ to it. (.\.\ doesn't seems to work either, though .\ does)
Looks like a bug with ".." etc. that I fixed elsewhere but not here. Thanks for the report, I'll fix it for the next build.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: santosh.s on 2009-11-25 03:00:37
It will copy complete albums at a time - that's not the whole lot though. That allows it to run some processes such as ReplayGain scanning. Feel free to set your TMP/TEMP environment variables to point to somewhere you have space though.

If it is an album at a time, then it should be no issue at all, and it will also enable scanning of album RG values. However, I had seen hundreds of temp songs which got automatically deleted as the sync'ing process finished. Hence my comments. Not to mention, my disk went out of space.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Tropican on 2009-11-25 05:47:39
This is going to sound like an odd request, but is there any way we could get the option to apply DSPs on the transcode page? Things such as crossfeed, Dolby Headphone, etc. are designed especially for headphones and might be useful to have automagically with a foo_dop sync.
Of course it could be implemented, but wouldn't your use require you to transcode every track..?


Indeed it does. For those of us who rip to lossless, we have to transcode every track for the iPod anyway though, so it's not that big of a deal.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-11-25 08:53:24
If it is an album at a time, then it should be no issue at all, and it will also enable scanning of album RG values. However, I had seen hundreds of temp songs which got automatically deleted as the sync'ing process finished. Hence my comments. Not to mention, my disk went out of space.
I tried with a few albums, but it worked as expected.

Does it happen consistently? Do all your tracks have album fields? (A present but empty album field might cause problems here).

If one track took particularly long to convert that also might delay things..

Also is it possible they were old files?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: yuriks on 2009-11-25 09:37:46
I've been trying for about 40 minutes but I just can't get relative artwork paths working.

This is what I have: $if($meta(CATEGORY),.\..\..\cover,cover)

The exact same script (but with .jpg at the end) works on the builtin reader so I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Are relative paths actually NOT supported? It seems to break if I add more than one \ to it. (.\.\ doesn't seems to work either, though .\ does)
Looks like a bug with ".." etc. that I fixed elsewhere but not here. Thanks for the report, I'll fix it for the next build.


I see. Thank you.

Great component, btw. It's actually one of the most important reasons why I still use an iPod!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: santosh.s on 2009-11-25 10:34:17
musicmusic, I need to find answers to your questions by experimenting. For now, I can only say- no, all files didn't have album tag. It was a huge list and I did not see it getting stuck at any particular file. Once it ran out of disk space, I had to abort sync'ing which I did amicably by pressing cancel button, not by killing any process.

Just curious, what does the problem have to do with old files? How can it potentially be the culprit?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-11-25 12:52:49
musicmusic, I need to find answers to your questions by experimenting. For now, I can only say- no, all files didn't have album tag. It was a huge list and I did not see it getting stuck at any particular file. Once it ran out of disk space, I had to abort sync'ing which I did amicably by pressing cancel button, not by killing any process.
I think there might be an issue for files without an album field at all, but I need to check this. If you want to check if any files have blank album fields though, $meta_test(album) will output 1 if a file has an album field present, so you could use that (in e.g. a playlist column) to look for any files that have a 1 which you wouldn't expect.

Just curious, what does the problem have to do with old files? How can it potentially be the culprit?
If they all definitely went away after the sync finished then no it wouldn't be.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Takaji on 2009-11-25 22:46:48
Everytime I sync my music library to my ipod, any file with changes are re-uploaded to the ipod. This includes songs where the only thing that's changed is the playcount. Is there a way to prevent files where only the playcount/date last played/etc has been changed from being re-uploaded to the ipod? This would save a lot of time when syncing the library.

Thanks!


Do you happen to be using "write playback statistics to tag"? If you are then no, each time a song's tag is written (each time you play a song) the file itself is being changed and foo_dop is seeing the files as different as it should.

I would assume that musicmusic could fix this by having dop write the changed tag to the file but that would be almost like copying the file anyway. Correct me if I am wrong but I think it is working as it should.

If you are not using "write playback statistics to tag" then I have no idea why it may be doing this.


I would prefer to keep this option enabled as I like to see my playcount on my files when I'm using foobar on the computer. I don't want to write the playback statistics to a database, just in case that file is ever lost.
Assuming there is nothing I can do to fix my situation, perhaps a future version of iPod manager will have a feature that skips a file if only the playback statistics have changed?

Thanks for the help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2009-11-26 12:55:24
musicmusic: What do you think of implementing ability to apply mp3gain data while syncing? I think this would be a good idea, since the iPod EQ sucks really bad and i.e. using bassboosting EQ it will clip on almost anything.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skyfish on 2009-11-26 13:57:51
Is there a way to auto sync the (standard) playlists? For now I'm just manually deleting (in 'Manage Contents') and re-adding ('Send Playlists') to do so.

I've tried using the playlist field matching in the smart playlist settings, but it didn't work. I've tried the correct numbers first, and even tried 'is not 0' to test if it fetches anything.

I'm obviously missing something. How do you people sync playlists?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mundschuss on 2009-11-26 21:24:39
hi!

im planning to get the 160GB ipod. just have a few questions:

a) i have around 1TB of lossles (primary just FLAC, only few MP3's) music on my PC, can select the artist i want, convert them to MP3/AAC and send them over to my ipod then? i mean, that i can realy select a lot, so that the PC is working over night, because i think it will take a couple of days to convert all those lossless things to lossy. and how does it run?

b) i have some high-res covers and some even in pngs. on such a small display i think i dont need them that big, will foo_dop crop them down so ill save space on my ipod? and will the covers saved in folders or in tags? (i dont like the tag thing because it wastes too much space and doesnt really have a fb2k support)

c) i actually listen also to some classical stuff (well, around 10-20% the music i listen to is classical). often these records were recorded very quiet to inlude the whole dynamic (as you probably already know). but ive heard that the iPods (at least over here in europe) have some kind of volume limit? does this make classical "unhearable" because its too quiet? i wanna hear it in the volume as it would be in real (so, some symphonies, specially the beethoven ones, are really loud) well, not actually as loud as real at such symphonies, taht would be sometimes over 110dB, but yeah, loud.

d) is the sound good? have just heard the normal ipods which IMO sounds shitty, but ive readt that the classic ones, specially the 160gb one, has another sound-processor in it.


would be really nice if you could help me

seeya
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skyfish on 2009-11-26 23:34:22
a) It'll run fine, but I'd run it in per-folder or night-long  steps.
b) You can batch-convert the art using irfanview (http://www.irfanview.com/) or xnview (http://www.xnview.com/en/index.html)(which are free and lightweight), choosing desired size and quality.
c) Volume is enough for classical, it's the rave (or whatever) they complain.
d) Technically, 5G has the Wolfson DAC, which is great, and 6G has the Cirrus Logic DAC, which is much cheaper. Yet most people find that 6G sounds better. In any case, if you got picky ears, your iPod needs to be modded. You can buy a modded one, such as iMod (http://www.redwineaudio.com/products/imod), or (if you're a geek) you can do it yourself (http://ayl.nuwen.net/index.php/projects/diy-imod-ipod/).

If you don't like the idea of modding (and still have those ears) your only option is Sony. But then you won't be able to use the foo_dop, as musicmusic doesn't have time to write an universal plugin. Like many here, I use 6g only because of the foobar + foo_dop.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Alexander Ostuni on 2009-11-27 04:38:43
C). Volume in Europe is definately not high enough. For example when I listened to Audiobooks in the Railway or near a Street I did not understand a word. Same with Albums from the 70ies....
I had to buy an iPod from Australia.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: AtaqueEG on 2009-11-27 05:05:52
C). Volume in Europe is definately not high enough. For example when I listened to Audiobooks in the Railway or near a Street I did not understand a word. Same with Albums from the 70ies....
I had to buy an iPod from Australia.


You didn't have to. MP3Gain/AACGain would have done the trick. In fact I have trouble believing that someone would use an iPod without some kind of volume modification to the files! Tracks from the early nineties and older (not reissues) are just to quiet compared with everything from this decade.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: AtaqueEG on 2009-11-27 05:09:08
b) i have some high-res covers and some even in pngs. on such a small display i think i dont need them that big, will foo_dop crop them down so ill save space on my ipod? and will the covers saved in folders or in tags? (i dont like the tag thing because it wastes too much space and doesnt really have a fb2k support)


It does not waste too much space. It depends on the image you are embedding. A 300x300 pix image will do nicely in any iPod (even Touch) and it ands 50k average to each track. That I think is nothing to worry about.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Alexander Ostuni on 2009-11-27 15:22:02
You didn't have to. MP3Gain/AACGain would have done the trick. In fact I have trouble believing that someone would use an iPod without some kind of volume modification to the files! Tracks from the early nineties and older (not reissues) are just to quiet compared with everything from this decade.




Completely different pair of shoes, sorry......
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: AtaqueEG on 2009-11-27 15:55:11
Really? Just how is that? Your "music from the 70s" (released in the late eighties/early nineties in CD, at the very least) inmune to MP3Gain? Volume limiter in Europe overriding adjustments made by that program? Do you even understand what I meant?

Moderation: Removed useless full quote of the preceding post.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skyfish on 2009-11-27 16:52:27
(Guys, this flame is not even remotely related to the plugin.)

musicmusic, I know you are busy, but is it realistic to expect the auto sync? It is mentioned at your site as an acknowledged request, but I guess it is too time consuming to develop?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2009-11-27 17:08:41
You should be able to do AutoSync yourself with some other foobar2000 plugins. One of them allows you to script any action using command-line commands, and if you use the windows scheduler or autoplay options, you'll be able to autosync.

Moderation: Removed useless full quote of the preceding post.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mundschuss on 2009-11-27 18:42:11
C). Volume in Europe is definately not high enough. For example when I listened to Audiobooks in the Railway or near a Street I did not understand a word. Same with Albums from the 70ies....
I had to buy an iPod from Australia.


oh, ok, thanks. already thought something like this. when theres already trouble with music from the 70ies and with audiobooks, i doubt that classical would sound great over an ipod.

i have some kind of in ear monitors that mutes the world really well (some sennheiser for 30-40 euros), but i wanna hear the music. i tried to listen to it at the local store, but they hadnt any music on it (why does they connect it etc., when theres no music on them?)
im really unsure if i should buy one, my old creative zen touch broke (bike accident). sounded great and you could really hear classical over it becaus this machine was damn loud.

any other advices which mp3 player are good? i wanna have some music with me (so lets say about 120GB) and it should sound great. nd not too expensive. but i havent found anything that fits on it, except the ipod (but theres the problem with the sound)

seeya

edit: @AtaqueEG: i know replay gain from fb2k...at some point it adds distortion, and i dunno how far this block goes, but when he has problems with music from the 70ies, ill have massive problems with classical. those records are so quiet, when you normaly listen at 18/25 (and 25 is terrible loud), you have to put the volume up to 25. and soemtimes even that is too quiet.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2009-11-28 07:51:03
b) i have some high-res covers and some even in pngs. on such a small display i think i dont need them that big, will foo_dop crop them down so ill save space on my ipod? and will the covers saved in folders or in tags?
I think this (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=559088) still applies.

HTH.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skyfish on 2009-11-28 08:59:55
Is there a way to auto sync the (standard) playlists?


iPod > Synchronize > (check).
And pay more attention when building your context menus.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PlazzTT on 2009-11-29 15:44:59
Thanks for the new updates!

In the new foobar 1.0 beta, the foo_dop options appear under "Legacy Commands (unsorted)" in the context menu. I'm not sure what the best place is for these options in the new streamlined menu?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-11-29 23:33:58
I've put up version 0.6.6.1. It may or may not help with your problem (depending on what the cause was..).

I would prefer to keep this option enabled as I like to see my playcount on my files when I'm using foobar on the computer. I don't want to write the playback statistics to a database, just in case that file is ever lost.
You can always make backups - I'm sure you could use some other components to export the info to some kind of text file as well.

Assuming there is nothing I can do to fix my situation, perhaps a future version of iPod manager will have a feature that skips a file if only the playback statistics have changed?
No, never - it's intended that it keeps up-to-date copies on the device. There's always the possibility of the audio data changing (and that could include replacing one rip of a song/album in your library with another), and regardless it's needed for several other reasons.

musicmusic: What do you think of implementing ability to apply mp3gain data while syncing? I think this would be a good idea, since the iPod EQ sucks really bad and i.e. using bassboosting EQ it will clip on almost anything.
Will it make any difference vs. using SoundCheck? Also, why not apply it to the files in your library? Regardless, I don't want to add any functions that alter files beyond transcoding.

musicmusic, I know you are busy, but is it realistic to expect the auto sync? It is mentioned at your site as an acknowledged request, but I guess it is too time consuming to develop?
As far as automatic background sync'ing (if that's what you want) goes, then yes it is mainly that other things have higher priority. Also, since some tasks have forced progress dialogs having these popup would be a bit of a nuisance (main sync progress would be embedded in the UI someplace).

Thanks for the new updates!
Welcome

In the new foobar 1.0 beta, the foo_dop options appear under "Legacy Commands (unsorted)" in the context menu.
I'm aware, it will need changes component-side as you are probably know. So a bit of patience for now
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: KFal on 2009-11-30 09:38:02
C). Volume in Europe is definately not high enough. For example when I listened to Audiobooks in the Railway or near a Street I did not understand a word. Same with Albums from the 70ies....
I had to buy an iPod from Australia.


oh, ok, thanks. already thought something like this. when theres already trouble with music from the 70ies and with audiobooks, i doubt that classical would sound great over an ipod.

i have some kind of in ear monitors that mutes the world really well (some sennheiser for 30-40 euros), but i wanna hear the music.


I am using Shure IEM with my European iPod classic and iPhone mostly for classical music and mostly on trains and planes. I rarely use the full volume and can hear even quiet parts quite well.

If a European iPod is not loud enough the headphones/IEM are not suitable for the surroundings -- in a noisy environment they should be insulating -- or you already have ear damage.

P.S.: Could not resist replying even if this does not strictly belong to the thread's topic.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mundschuss on 2009-11-30 15:51:08
ah, ok, thanks. actually i have really good ears, so i trust in you and ill get an ipod for christmas

seeya
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zzeitg on 2009-12-03 21:35:29
hi, I'm having some troubles with playlist removing. I go Menu --> File --> iPod --> Manage Contents and a window with list of playlists on my ipod appears. I chose one, rightclick and chose "Remove". The playlist disappears, but after I reopen the Manage contents window, it is there again. I tried to rewrite database in the meantime, but it did not help.

Where could be the problem?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: x13looDx on 2009-12-04 06:53:38
I'm having problem getting my ipod shuffle to scrobble. Foo_dop doesn't seem to send the data to audioscrobbler, as when I connect my ipod and rewrite database nothing happens.
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iPod manager: detected ShadowDB: true
iPod manager: Apple iPod/iPhone connected. Device Instance Path: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1301\000A27001C68A9AE
and nothing after that..

using ipod shuffle 2g with 0.9.6.9, audioscrobbler 1.4.3, foo_dop 0.6.6.1

Edit: If I go to "Manage Contents" after listening to a song it shows the plays as 0. I just moved from managing my ipod with itunes, is there anything I might need to do to set it up for use with foobar?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: santosh.s on 2009-12-08 14:04:48
I've put up version 0.6.6.1. It may or may not help with your problem (depending on what the cause was..).

Opps! How could I miss this post, thanks for the fix.
However, I did notice the newer version earlier and tried it out recently, and the problem did not show up. Note that all files were tagged properly this time, so I can't be sure what exactly solved it. Thats cool, in any case 

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Will it make any difference vs. using SoundCheck? Also, why not apply it to the files in your library? Regardless, I don't want to add any functions that alter files beyond transcoding.

I used RG to soundcheck conversion option in foo_dop. It worked fine on the iPod but still isn't enough for me. Reason is that I use classic primarily in car, where it is connected to head unit through USB (of course, digitally). Unfortunately, soundcheck adjustment or even normal volume control on iPod gets deactivated in this mode. No problem with volume control, but deactivation of soundcheck is pretty much annoying. Searched over the net and found a working solution (though after spending a lot of time and efforts, as I am new to everything involved including iPod and foobar player itself!)- tried to use wavegain to (calulate and..) apply RG adjustment before streaming it to the encoder. However there seemed to be some problem with piping to/from wavegain, next tried to use temp file "%s" (found in foobar's converter options) which didn't work too. Finally had to write a batchfile which stores stdin into a temporary file and then applies wavegain and encoder processing. It works, but is terribly slow due to wavegain taking a big chunk of time as compared to encoder, and secondly using multiple files at a time is not working, forcing me to select just one file at a time.

Have quite a few comments/questions:

1. I personally second those who wish to see "apply replaygain", equalizer and any other DSP processing options in the main player to be usable while sync'ing.
2. Does foo_dop support "%s" option for encoder (temporary file instead of stdin, I suppose)? (Why does it have independent "converter" setting in the first place, why not use from the main player's existing conversion options? May be user would create one, or a few, custom settings specifically for iPod.)
3. When I select "ReplyGain scan converted files" option, does it literally "scan" new file again even if source file was already scanned? I believe it is pretty much waste of processing/time. Ideal way would be to just copy RG tag from source file into converted file and accordingly update soundcheck as well. Just wanted  to know what this plugin really does.
4. This is not strictly a question on foo_dop, rather foobar2k player. I understand that it allows a lot of processing options while format conversion, but is there any way to apply this processing in place (I mean modify the file itself instead of converting into another)? Sorry for my ignorance, I am a newbie to foobar as mentioned earlier!
5. Any pointer towards possible reason behind simultaneous multiple files encoding not working? I am using wavegain (1.2.8) and ffmpeg tools, and have ensured that multiple instances of my batch file itself do not clash.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2009-12-08 15:55:02
3. When I select "ReplyGain scan converted files" option, does it literally "scan" new file again even if source file was already scanned? I believe it is pretty much waste of processing/time. Ideal way would be to just copy RG tag from source file into converted file and accordingly update soundcheck as well. Just wanted  to know what this plugin really does.

The encoded file may (and very likely does) have different peak and RMS values, assuming you are converting to a lossy format.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: santosh.s on 2009-12-08 16:31:10
Right, that statement should be valid only for lossless formats. I am using ALAC. (Not that it is a must, but as long as iPod doesn't run out of disk space (160GB) I want to stick to that.)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-08 23:04:51
hi, I'm having some troubles with playlist removing. I go Menu --> File --> iPod --> Manage Contents and a window with list of playlists on my ipod appears. I chose one, rightclick and chose "Remove". The playlist disappears, but after I reopen the Manage contents window, it is there again. I tried to rewrite database in the meantime, but it did not help.

Where could be the problem?
Can't see any reason for that in normal circumstances. Did you click "Save and close"? Did you close iTunes etc. first?

I'm having problem getting my ipod shuffle to scrobble. Foo_dop doesn't seem to send the data to audioscrobbler, as when I connect my ipod and rewrite database nothing happens.
[...]

using ipod shuffle 2g with 0.9.6.9, audioscrobbler 1.4.3, foo_dop 0.6.6.1
Sorry, plays aren't currently read from Shuffles. Regardless, the device doesn't record play timestamps (I know the official client just scrobbles them all with the same timestamp, but I'd guess it is another [a href='index.php?act=findpost&pid=666485']no-go for third party clients[/a].)

I used RG to soundcheck conversion option in foo_dop. It worked fine on the iPod but still isn't enough for me. Reason is that I use classic primarily in car, where it is connected to head unit through USB (of course, digitally). Unfortunately, soundcheck adjustment or even normal volume control on iPod gets deactivated in this mode.
Sounds like it is not using the device for decoding - I understand SoundCheck to work on any normal dock. Does the radio have the "Made for iPod" logo? Does it play DRMd tracks?

2. Does foo_dop support "%s" option for encoder (temporary file instead of stdin, I suppose)?
No, you have to use stdin.
(Why does it have independent "converter" setting in the first place, why not use from the main player's existing conversion options? May be user would create one, or a few, custom settings specifically for iPod.)
There's no way for it to, for a start.
5. Any pointer towards possible reason behind simultaneous multiple files encoding not working? I am using wavegain (1.2.8) and ffmpeg tools, and have ensured that multiple instances of my batch file itself do not clash.
Maybe try monitoring using Process Monitor.

Right, that statement should be valid only for lossless formats. I am using ALAC. (Not that it is a must, but as long as iPod doesn't run out of disk space (160GB) I want to stick to that.)
Regardless, it is safer than blindly copying it across (especially when you are doing things with wavegain...)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: santosh.s on 2009-12-09 03:13:52
Sounds like it is not using the device for decoding - I understand SoundCheck to work on any normal dock. Does the radio have the "Made for iPod" logo? Does it play DRMd tracks?

No, I think iPod is used for decoding because- it plays formats like ALAC, WAV, AIFF which are otherwise not supported by the radio, like stored in say USB stick or HDD, CD etc. Also, when I connect/disconnect iPod from radio, playing goes on seamlessly with only difference being where the sound is fed. It is the radio when connected (headphone gets muted) and headphone when disconnected. It is a Clarion make and does carry "Made for iPod" logo. It does not play copy-righted music from iTunes. It supports WMDRM though, but only when using USB-MTP mode.
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Regardless, it is safer than blindly copying it across (especially when you are doing things with wavegain...)

Got it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-09 12:02:05
No, I think iPod is used for decoding because- it plays formats like ALAC, WAV, AIFF which are otherwise not supported by the radio, like stored in say USB stick or HDD, CD etc. Also, when I connect/disconnect iPod from radio, playing goes on seamlessly with only difference being where the sound is fed. It is the radio when connected (headphone gets muted) and headphone when disconnected. It is a Clarion make and does carry "Made for iPod" logo.
Strange. For example, I can dock my iPod on my (Sony) Hi-Fi and SoundCheck works (for example toggling it on and off during playback makes a noticeable difference [unless the SoundCheck adjustment is a small amount]).

So if it definitely doesn't work it would probably be worthwhile sending an e-mail to Clarion for an explanation, especially if it has the Made for iPod logo.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: santosh.s on 2009-12-09 13:21:14
Looks like car radio and the dock are implemented differently (never used a dock myself). In the radio, it seems like iPod performs decoding job and feeds the "audio" data digitally through USB cable, which is in turn processed and fed to radio's DAC for playback. The dock may be sending analog audio instead, which includes all post processing options set in iPod. BTW, when I connect iPod, it's user interface is completely disabled, it can't be directly operated until radio is turned off or cable is removed. This is similar to how it gets locked when a PC mounts it as USB device. Does your Sony Hi-Fi dock behave similarly?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-09 20:10:45
Yes you are probably right, the dock connector has line out pins by the looks of it:
http://www.allpinouts.org/index.php/Apple_iPod_-_iPhone_dock (http://www.allpinouts.org/index.php/Apple_iPod_-_iPhone_dock)

No, it doesn't disable the interface on the device, rather it works with it and you can navigate the menu with the remote (as far as the iPod classic goes).

Regardless, it looks like an oversight on either Apple or Clarion's part..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2009-12-09 21:27:15
Just to mention, that my Alpine car-fi disables the iPod-interface as well. The EQ works, so I believe that soundcheck works as well.

Another funny thing is that I can't adjust the volume of my GPS navigator (Navigon) in this mode, but it's irrelevant for this discussion.

There was a discussion on this exact subject (is the carstereo or the iPod decoding) some months ago - I don't remember which thread though, but try to search for it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: yuriks on 2009-12-11 01:06:36
Found what seems to be a bug when using metadata mappings: I have `$if2($meta(CATEGORY,0),%album artist%)` as the artist mapping. In this case that ends up mapping to `Anime`. Now here's the problem, in past versions it worked fine, but in newer versions (I assumed since you added support for sort fields.) I get duplicate entries in the artist list in the ipod, where the sort-order artists would be. They all point to the same set of albums, but the entry appears multiple time in the menu in several places. There isn't a way to remap the artist sort field as far as I can see, so, no way to get rid of these duplicates for now. Maybe you should ignore the sort field when a mapping is used for that field?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-11 11:12:41
Hi,
Yes that would happen if the same artist entry has differing sort artists.

So, are you saying some of those tracks have ARTISTSORTORDER fields? Can you remove them?

The remappings are not intended to display another unrelated field in place, but still your solution makes some sense. So I'll go with it for now..

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-11 16:55:02
Version 0.6.6.2 released. See changelog for details.

(Some not-so-visible important changes, so do let me know if there are any regressions..)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: x13looDx on 2009-12-12 01:10:11
Sorry, plays aren't currently read from Shuffles. Regardless, the device doesn't record play timestamps (I know the official client just scrobbles them all with the same timestamp, but I'd guess it is another [a href='index.php?act=findpost&pid=666485']no-go for third party clients[/a].


Alright, thanks anyway. Great work in any case
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2009-12-13 19:00:48
Version 0.6.6.2 released. See changelog for details.

(Some not-so-visible important changes, so do let me know if there are any regressions..)


Working great for me.  Nice job getting rid of those 2 dependencies.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zincsterio on 2009-12-15 04:03:43
musicmusic,

Is there a feature to add audio as audiobook (so ipod allows the bookmark feature)?  There is such an option in the latest itunes versions, I'm not sure if it's just a flag on the file or whatnot.

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2009-12-15 06:37:10
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Added the ability to set the media type to “Audiobook” via the iPod tag editor


should files set to audio appear under audiobooks? it's still under the normal artist list here, when set to this
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: KnightBaron on 2009-12-15 09:19:36
"Additionally use foobar2000 built-in artwork reader" setting doesn't work for me. Album art is working fine with foobar2k but it doesn't sync to my iPhone. I need to use foobar built-in reader since it allow me to specify more than one source. Is there a way to do it with one-line source settings in foo_dop?

btw, sorry about my bad English.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: yuriks on 2009-12-15 09:46:24
Hi,
Yes that would happen if the same artist entry has differing sort artists.

So, are you saying some of those tracks have ARTISTSORTORDER fields? Can you remove them?

The remappings are not intended to display another unrelated field in place, but still your solution makes some sense. So I'll go with it for now..

Thanks


New version fixes it indeed. I could remove the tags (they got added by MusicBrainz), but I was wondering about the behavior. Yeah, I use the remappings to replace the artist with another tag's value if it's present. I use it for songs I don't care which artist it is from but still want to have correct tags on.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: santosh.s on 2009-12-15 18:53:05
No, it doesn't disable the interface on the device, rather it works with it and you can navigate the menu with the remote (as far as the iPod classic goes).

Regardless, it looks like an oversight on either Apple or Clarion's part..



Just to mention, that my Alpine car-fi disables the iPod-interface as well. The EQ works, so I believe that soundcheck works as well.


I did some search and it turns out that whenever audio data is transmitted by iPod in digital mode (USB), then iPod's interface is disabled. On the other hand if it uses analog line-out, then it is used. Looks like a few years ago, iPods used to apply soundcheck adjustment only to headphone out socket, not even line-out! Apparently it was fixed with a firmware update from Apple.

For digital connections, it doesn't seem to be working even now. Just to rule out various factors, I tried different formats (aiff, aac, alac) and encoded/added souncheck using iTunes alone (rather than 3rd party softwares), but the problem persists irrespective of all that. I also checked equalizer which works fine. So, odyssey, soundcheck probably doesn't work with your car stereo as well.  Some people (including me) suspect that all volume related adjustments are done after DAC in iPod, may be by manipulating headphone amp or something. However, it is also possible that it is done in digital domain but somehow missed in USB interface. Anyway, I have given feedback to both Apple and Clarion, hope they fix it in future firmware if it happens to be the later case. If it is done in analog domain then probably it will never be done and- I will have to live with wavegain+ALAC or mp3gain/aacgain using mp3/aac (hoping that should work!).

BTW, iTunes stores soundcheck data in a tag named iTunNORM if it is encoded by recent version of iTunes itself, otherwise in it's database. Don't know why? There is also another way to manipulate volume of individual songs, which is using "volume adjustment" slider in iTunes->getInfo->options. Even that doesn't work with direct USB! In fact iPod itself doesn't seem to handle it properly even when using headphones. The slider in iTune is marked as -100% to +100%, and it seems to work like a linear adjustment indeed. But when same song is played on iPod, it probably interprets it logarithmically (dB). +100% setting makes the song blast like anything
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-15 19:50:44
Working great for me.  Nice job getting rid of those 2 dependencies.
Thabks for the feedback

musicmusic,

Is there a feature to add audio as audiobook (so ipod allows the bookmark feature)?  There is such an option in the latest itunes versions, I'm not sure if it's just a flag on the file or whatnot.

Thanks!
Yes, the post below yours should put you in the right direction.

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Added the ability to set the media type to “Audiobook” via the iPod tag editor

should files set to audio appear under audiobooks? it's still under the normal artist list here, when set to this
It will do similar to what it would in iTunes (i.e. it depends on your iPod model).

"Additionally use foobar2000 built-in artwork reader" setting doesn't work for me. Album art is working fine with foobar2k but it doesn't sync to my iPhone. I need to use foobar built-in reader since it allow me to specify more than one source.
Well, it doesn't support the new artwork reader in foobar2000 1.0 yet. The download page doesn't claim support for fb2k 1.0 though. So check the changelog for the next couple of versions.

New version fixes it indeed. I could remove the tags (they got added by MusicBrainz), but I was wondering about the behavior. Yeah, I use the remappings to replace the artist with another tag's value if it's present. I use it for songs I don't care which artist it is from but still want to have correct tags on.
OK. These sort fields are a bit of a pain really, I need to do some tests with iTunes to check how it deals with them when they are inconsistent..

Anyway, I have given feedback to both Apple and Clarion, hope they fix it in future firmware if it happens to be the later case.
Do let us know if you hear anything back
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: santosh.s on 2009-12-16 02:38:21
Do let us know if you here anything back

Sure, I will. Though I am very skeptical about my "hope". I know chances are very thin and I shouldn't hold my breath!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: randal1013 on 2009-12-18 20:17:19
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When a remapping is used, the corresponding xxxSORTORDER field is no longer used

could you perhaps make this an option? i have several albums i want sorted independently of their remapped artist field.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ShinyMagnum on 2009-12-19 02:07:12
I came into a lot of problems with foo_dop and my ipod.
Various artists were splits albums up into separate albums, one for each track.
This is a walkthrough for if you have problems too.

Set iTunes not to auto open with this iPod (as it can in the background mess everything up)

Use iTunes to remove all songs (foo_dop doesn't remove all unfortunately)

On the ipod itself set the option of having music-->compilations is checked otherwise they won't be shown
set a new tag for all Various-Artists Albums (albums with more than one main artist) IPOD_COMPILATION and set the value to 1

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=66369 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=66369)

Preferences-->Tools-->Ipod Manager

Database:

ARTIST Mapping:
$if(%IPOD_COMPILATION%,$if2(%album%,'('None')'),$if2(%artist%,$if2(%album%,'('None')')))
which is:
$if(%IPOD_COMPILATION%,%album%,%artist%)
with this to replace the artist with the album if it doesn't exist
$if2(%artist%,%album%)
and with the below no album clause placed in this to replace the album if it is blank

ALBUM Mapping:
$if2(%album%,'('None')')
clause to stop stray tracks not being shown in artist lists where there is only one album (which skips directly to the album when the artist is selected)

TITLE Mapping:
$if(%IPOD_COMPILATION%,[%artist% - ])%title%
track name preceeded by artist name with ' - ' as a divider if it is a compilation and the artist exists (placing something else here like the album if the artist is missing is unnessary as the album should be used already to access the compilation.)

COMPILATION Mapping:
%IPOD_COMPILATION%
I don't have artists called things such as "various artists" if I did perhaps the following would be more helpful:
$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,%IPOD_COMPILATION%)


Library Sort:
$if(%IPOD_COMPILATION%,,%artist%) - %album% - %disc% - %tracknumber% - %title%


http://yuo.be/ipod.php (http://yuo.be/ipod.php)
http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:conversion (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:conversion)

Set conversion to lame:
Convert audio tracks in unsupported formats[Checked]

Encoder: The location of lame.exe (Program files/lame if you did the job of an installer like I did)
Parameters: -S --noreplaygain -V 5 --vbr-new - %d
Extension: mp3

ReplayGain scan converted files [Unchecked]


If you do require ReplayGain I'd do it like this

SETUP:
Preferences
Advanced
Tools
ReplayGain Scanner
Album Grouping Pattern:
%album%

USE:
Select all song tracks
right click
select replaygain
scan selection as albums (by tags)

Can now see extra tags by using "Mp3Tag" program and looking at extended tags.


UNDO:
Same as above escept the last instruction which is;
Remove ReplayGain info from files
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-19 22:36:19
could you perhaps make this an option? i have several albums i want sorted independently of their remapped artist field.
I won't add an option for that, but I'll add remappings for the sort fields later on.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: randal1013 on 2009-12-20 01:40:08
thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2009-12-22 17:11:41
So dependencies on zlib libraries has been removed but, if I use ColumnsUI I still need them correct?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-22 22:50:11
A bit off-topic, but you'll need it there if you are using custom PNG buttons.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2009-12-23 12:37:53
there is a new nero aac encoder (http://www.nero.com/eng/downloads-nerodigital-nero-aac-codec.php). however, files added with this codec and foo_dop cannot be played. artwork also doesn't work when using the new encoder with unchanged commandline.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-23 12:47:42
Hrm, I'lll have a look... Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-23 18:01:39
Just tried using the same settings as on the wiki (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:conversion) without issue.

What settings are you using, and what device do you have?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2009-12-24 21:09:05
Just tried using the same settings as on the wiki (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:conversion) without issue.

What settings are you using, and what device do you have?


setting the number of concurrent encodings to AUTO instead of "4" (i'm on a quad core) fixes the problem.
device is iphone 3gs 32gb with latest fw
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-24 21:40:33
Doesn't make any sense then, auto would normally have picked up four anyway.

Are you sure it is nothing to do with the source file sample rate (etc.)? And what is your command line?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2009-12-25 17:24:15
cmd is -q 0.50 -lc -ignorelength -if - -of %d

but i cannot reproduce it anymore. the problem persisted (with several albums, all wavpack 44,1 16bit) until i changed the number of concurrent encodings. now when i set it back to "4" it's working also. i don't know what happend there. i have not changed anything but replacing the neroaacenc.exe
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rossoneri on 2009-12-26 02:07:43
I've been trying to follow the wiki and get the ipod manager working with my new ipod touch for a while now, but I finally got fed up and decided to ask for some help.  It gives me an error saying:

Please install/reinstall the MobileDeviceSign library.

So I google'd this and found some information, yet the information that seems to be lacking from every relevant google link, is "where do i get this mobiledevicesign.dll"  I searched for it on the internet and on my computer and there's no sign of this available for download or anything.


EDIT: Disregard this message, I decided to check the cached version of the website on google and found the download links for the files.  Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mstram24 on 2009-12-26 02:44:56
Please Help!  i have never used iTunes and right now im a newbie with foo_dop.  when i try to load songs into my ipod nano (supported model) the songs dont show up in my ipod. my ipod says i have zero songs in it.  i try to send songs by loading the ipod view list. then i synchronize everything and foo_dop tells me that i have, say, 18 songs in the ipod.  to double check, using left click => properties in "my computer" i can see that around 100 megabytes of space have been used out of my 8GB ipod. so that tells me that the 18 songs have probably been correctly loaded into the ipod. but then again..my ipod tells me i have zero songs when i start to use it. i really dont get it.


plz help !!!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shiphtfour on 2009-12-26 06:37:46
Thank you musicmusic for this great plugin and saving us all the hassle of using itunes. My question is, because compilation albums are often compiled by someone (e.g. a DJ), is it possible to have compilation albums using the metatag IPOD_COMPILATION=1 sorted on the iPod under an album artist tag? Or, is it possible to make a tag mapping that will show the artist name of who compiled the album under the regular artist structure of the iPod that will map to the compilation album under compilations?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-26 09:44:13
cmd is -q 0.50 -lc -ignorelength -if - -of %d

but i cannot reproduce it anymore. the problem persisted (with several albums, all wavpack 44,1 16bit) until i changed the number of concurrent encodings. now when i set it back to "4" it's working also. i don't know what happend there. i have not changed anything but replacing the neroaacenc.exe
Do you still have a file that wouldn't play?

I've been trying to follow the wiki and get the ipod manager working with my new ipod touch for a while now, but I finally got fed up and decided to ask for some help.  It gives me an error saying:

Please install/reinstall the MobileDeviceSign library.[...]
Did you download the latest version of the component from my website ?

Please Help!  i have never used iTunes and right now im a newbie with foo_dop.  when i try to load songs into my ipod nano (supported model) the songs dont show up in my ipod. my ipod says i have zero songs in it.  i try to send songs by loading the ipod view list. then i synchronize everything and foo_dop tells me that i have, say, 18 songs in the ipod.  to double check, using left click => properties in "my computer" i can see that around 100 megabytes of space have been used out of my 8GB ipod. so that tells me that the 18 songs have probably been correctly loaded into the ipod. but then again..my ipod tells me i have zero songs when i start to use it. i really dont get it.

plz help !!!
Is it a Nano 5G? You will need at least the iPod driver installed if it is (see requirements on the wiki). Paste/send the output from the console (View/Console) if it still doesn't work.

Thank you musicmusic for this great plugin and saving us all the hassle of using itunes. My question is, because compilation albums are often compiled by someone (e.g. a DJ), is it possible to have compilation albums using the metatag IPOD_COMPILATION=1 sorted on the iPod under an album artist tag? Or, is it possible to make a tag mapping that will show the artist name of who compiled the album under the regular artist structure of the iPod that will map to the compilation album under compilations?
You can do the following, if it's what you want: http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#how_can_i_mak...f_track_artists (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#how_can_i_make_my_ipod_display_album_artists_in_place_of_track_artists)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2009-12-26 13:40:39
I get the follow error when I go to View > iPod devices
Code: [Select]
Error reading iTunesDB: Object not found


I have only installed iTunes for the drivers for another program I used. That program didn't work so I uninstalled all iTunes associated applications.


Any suggestions how to get the iPod detected/working in fb2k? I rather install as less iTunes crap or the likes as possible. I rather not have my computer go trough a chemo again after installing the cancer called iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-26 14:00:56
What model is it?

The error might be normal if the device is blank (i.e. it doesn't have a database yet, you'd need to add something to it).

(Make sure you have the required dependencies (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#requirements) also if you don't have iTunes)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mstram24 on 2009-12-26 14:49:51
original message;
Please Help! i have never used iTunes and right now im a newbie with foo_dop. when i try to load songs into my ipod nano (supported model) the songs dont show up in my ipod. my ipod says i have zero songs in it. i try to send songs by loading the ipod view list. then i synchronize everything and foo_dop tells me that i have, say, 18 songs in the ipod. to double check, using left click => properties in "my computer" i can see that around 100 megabytes of space have been used out of my 8GB ipod. so that tells me that the 18 songs have probably been correctly loaded into the ipod. but then again..my ipod tells me i have zero songs when i start to use it. i really dont get it.

***

. its all good now, all i had to do was to install iTunes once..which installed a bunch of apple software...and then foo_dop works well.. i was able to uninstall iTunes after that..and foo_dop still works. thanks for being British and thanks for maintaining this very useful component.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-27 16:31:13
Version 0.6.6.4 released. See change log for details.

Again some backend changes which will have some nice effects (for example any files sent to the device are automatically added to the metadata cache, so the metadata doesn't have to be read next time). Do please post back though if you encounter any issues.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: baroughter on 2009-12-27 17:13:01
Just wanted to say thanks.  To think I've been (barely) using iTunes for windows to put songs on my ipod for awhile now.  Which would freeze up and mess up my ipod constantly.  Your component works great on my "Ipod Photo" (4G?)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mstram24 on 2009-12-27 20:23:10
WMA? whats the best way to deal with WMA files when we want to transfer them to an iPod?  i have tons of those WMA files in foobar but they wont transfer properly to my ipod.  I tried to enable the option to convert files in foo_dop while transferring to the ipod but i get an error message that the encoder failed.  i dont want to convert them using foobar  before hand because i think that this would mess up my playlists ..since songxyz.wma is not equal to songxyz.mp3...foobar might not be able to associate them to the correct playlist automatically. so i dont want to risk it right now....How do you guys deal with WMA files? and is it normal to receive the error message im getting?

plz Help!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-28 00:04:20
Just wanted to say thanks.  To think I've been (barely) using iTunes for windows to put songs on my ipod for awhile now.  Which would freeze up and mess up my ipod constantly.  Your component works great on my "Ipod Photo" (4G?)
You're welcome  It is good to know it is still working OK there too, there are a lot of models to maintain support for these days..

[...]
Make sure you've downloaded the Nero codec and pointed foo_dop to it in its preferences (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:conversion). Otherwise, post the exact error you get.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: EagleScout1998 on 2009-12-28 00:15:44
WMA? whats the best way to deal with WMA files when we want to transfer them to an iPod?


I am sure someone will correct me if I am mistaken, but I didn't think the iPod was capable of playing WMA files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2009-12-29 00:33:03
Correct. You will need to transcode these files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shiphtfour on 2009-12-29 06:15:48
I figured I'd post the code I came up with to organize albums that aren't necessarily compilations. Basically, if you don't want the album sorted as a compilation, but the artist and album artist tagz don't match for certain tracks (i.e. there are a couple tracks on the album that are by a different artist, it will write the title tag as "title - artist" while still sorting the whole album under the single album artist tag. Perhaps this will be useful to someone else.

Artist metadata code:
Code: [Select]
$if(%IPOD_COMPILATION%,%artist%,$if($stricmp(%album artist%,%artist%),%artist%,%album artist%))

Title metadata code:
Code: [Select]
$if(%IPOD_COMPILATION%,%title%,$if($stricmp(%album artist%,%artist%),%title%,%title% - %artist%))
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mundschuss on 2009-12-30 12:12:45
hi.
the plugin works fine on my ipod classical 5g 160GB. but i have some questions.

a) i have often readt that ipods freezes and you have to reset them. does that also mean, that all your database will be ereased? that wouldnt be nice, because i only have FLAC on my PC and to convert the 1TB FLACS to 160GB MP3 is not that funny and takes a bit f time. and well, my question now: whats the best way to backup the files, if the database will be ereased if after such a reset? copy paste of the whole ipod folder? or synchronize with a external HDD via foobar? (wll, then i had to buy one, dont have 160GB space left-over)

b) ive readt that ipod has a lyrics-support if there are lyrics in the lyrics tag. well, i have the lyrics panel for fb2k. is there a possibility, that i import the whole ipod lib into foobar, let every song playback 5-10 secounds (btw, how is that possible?) so the plugin can download the lyrics (well, another question: will lrc-sourced lyrics show the timestamps or does the ipod ignores them, or does he even sync the lyrics then?) and write it to the lyrics tag? or whats the way to work this out

c) is there a possibility to use geniusmix with foobar? when all the files are on the ipod, i could open the ipod in itunes and he should do genius mixes out of it, or do i have to sync them or is it simply not possible to attach this to the foobar-imported files?

d) i found out, that ipod doesnt seems to sort the albums after date, but i prefer it hat way. probably the ipod doesnt support this (but if so, please tell me how), so i thought i could retag the album tag with %YEAR% - %ALBUM%, so the year is the thing he sorts. and also i want to edit some genre tags. is it ok, to import the ipod via foobar and edit the tags in there as i normaly do (right-click->properties)? or will it damage the database in some way?

e) how can i remove that A Perfect Circle (e.g.) is listed under A and not under P? dont like it the way the ipod does it, same way with The probably.

f) why is the bass distorted when i have selected no-eq via my headphones (sennheiser CX300II; i know, not the best, but i dont have the money right now for a shure)? i selected the EQ jazz which sounds best in my ears, but i wonder why the bass is distorted when i have slected no-eq. (or is it possible that the MP3 V5 causes this? you should really edit this in your FAQ musicmsic, MP3 V5 sounds realy terrible in my ears, i have putted up to V2 (the music i listen quiet often to) and V3 (the normal music).

g) what do i have to do when i wanna have my ipod-played tracks scrobbled to last.fm? already have the lastest last.fm plugin.

but a very nice plugin, thanks for that  think it wouldnt be that much fun to import 1GB of FLAC into itunes and convert it with it to the ipod

seeya

dennis

ps: sorry for my bad english...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-30 12:35:45
a) If for some reason it freezes up, you can restart it (should be hold Menu + Middle buttons). That won't erase anything, expect maybe recent plays/ratings.

If you restore it using iTunes, that will erase everything yes, but normally you shouldn't need to do that.

c) No, sorry.

d) If you edit them directly on the iPod, follow it up with 'Update metadata' in the shortcut menu. You can using the album remapping in preferences if you want it to display the date (it is normally %date% though).

e) Disable "Ignore leading 'The' and 'A' ...." in the database preferences page under sorting. Again you will need to follow that up with 'Update metadata' on all tracks.

f) Are you on maximum volume? Did you use ReplayGain/SoundCheck?

g) Install Florian's version of foo_audioscrobbler,  and then there will be an option in its preferences to enable.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mstram24 on 2009-12-30 23:26:10
i see that playcount statistics are modified whenever i synchronize. such that songs that were played in my ipod are counted into foobar. is there a way to remove this ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-31 00:03:03
That's up to playback statistics - toggling "Library/Playback Statistics/Monitor played tracks" in the main menu before and after each sync was supposed to do it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mstram24 on 2009-12-31 02:51:50
original post;

WMA? whats the best way to deal with WMA files when we want to transfer them to an iPod? i have tons of those WMA files in foobar but they wont transfer properly to my ipod. I tried to enable the option to convert files in foo_dop while transferring to the ipod but i get an error message that the encoder failed. i dont want to convert them using foobar before hand because i think that this would mess up my playlists ..since songxyz.wma is not equal to songxyz.mp3...foobar might not be able to associate them to the correct playlist automatically. so i dont want to risk it right now....How do you guys deal with WMA files? and is it normal to receive the error message im getting?

plz Help!



The error message i get is;  (it's mostly for WMA files..but sometimes OGG vorbis wont work either)

Failed to add file to iPod: conversion failed - failed to start encoder process -  The system cannot find the file specified

here's a screenshot of my foo_dop config in the converter tab

(http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/561/foobconvert.th.jpg) (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/foobconvert.jpg/)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shiphtfour on 2009-12-31 07:03:37
Is there no way to make files sent with this plugin to the iPod sort under podcasts? Like a %PODCAST%=1 tag or something? I just want to be able to send podcast mp3 files downloaded with foo_podcatcher to my iPod and have them sorted under the podcasts menu group.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mundschuss on 2009-12-31 15:05:36
e) Disable "Ignore leading 'The' and 'A' ...." in the database preferences page under sorting. Again you will need to follow that up with 'Update metadata' on all tracks.


well, i have a problem now. it worked with the beatles (which ive added after the checkbox), but now is A Perfect Circle listed under A und under P, so i have 2 entries for the same band, and both have the same albums (but i only added them once).
so, what shall i do? erease them?

seeya
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2009-12-31 15:29:55
The error message i get is;  (it's mostly for WMA files..but sometimes OGG vorbis wont work either)

Failed to add file to iPod: conversion failed - failed to start encoder process -  The system cannot find the file specified

here's a screenshot of my foo_dop config in the converter tab
Then you need to do what I said..

Is there no way to make files sent with this plugin to the iPod sort under podcasts? Like a %PODCAST%=1 tag or something? I just want to be able to send podcast mp3 files downloaded with foo_podcatcher to my iPod and have them sorted under the podcasts menu group.
No, sorry.

well, i have a problem now. it worked with the beatles (which ive added after the checkbox), but now is A Perfect Circle listed under A und under P, so i have 2 entries for the same band, and both have the same albums (but i only added them once).
so, what shall i do? erease them?
Do load library, select everything and run 'iPod/Update metadata'.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mundschuss on 2010-01-01 11:16:12
ok, thanks will try this.
tonight there was a strange error, putted the ipod on the PC before i went to a party and foobar should do around 5days of music on it. well, not its 12am and there was no progress bar in foobar, so i thought he was finished and selected to eject the ipod (btw, whats the comment for this in columnsui, because i want to create a button instead of going trough the menu all the time) and foobar said that i can now remove my ipod safely.
but when i looked at the ipod, he was completly dark and i wasnt able to turn him on again, also when i plugged him into the PC came the windows plop when you plugin a usb-drive, but the explorer didnt show the ipod up.
well, i resetted the ipod via menu and enter holding and now he works fine again. i already did "find orphanded tracks" but he havent found something.
just wanted to report this

seeya
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mstram24 on 2010-01-01 16:47:54
how do we build playlists with foo_dop? i can import playlists from foobar to the ipod but then the results will not be organized. for instance if i send 2 playlists "rock" and "classical" , all songs from both will get into the ipod but they're all going to be mixed (organized by artist names) so that i lose the originating playlists.  help plz!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-01-01 17:07:18
ok, thanks will try this.
tonight there was a strange error, putted the ipod on the PC before i went to a party and foobar should do around 5days of music on it. well, not its 12am and there was no progress bar in foobar, so i thought he was finished and selected to eject the ipod (btw, whats the comment for this in columnsui, because i want to create a button instead of going trough the menu all the time) and foobar said that i can now remove my ipod safely.
but when i looked at the ipod, he was completly dark and i wasnt able to turn him on again, also when i plugged him into the PC came the windows plop when you plugin a usb-drive, but the explorer didnt show the ipod up.
well, i resetted the ipod via menu and enter holding and now he works fine again. i already did "find orphanded tracks" but he havent found something.
just wanted to report this

seeya
No idea what happened, maybe it overheated, maybe it got stuck in deep sleep, maybe it got confused by the new year, who knows... Just watch out in case it happens again.

For Columns UI, right click on the buttons toolbar, select options and you can add the button from there (http://yuo.be/wiki/columns_ui:config:buttons) (you might just want to add it as a text button).

how do we build playlists with foo_dop? i can import playlists from foobar to the ipod but then the results will not be organized. for instance if i send 2 playlists "rock" and "classical" , all songs from both will get into the ipod but they're all going to be mixed (organized by artist names) so that i lose the originating playlists.
Use File/iPod/Sync (or Send playlists) instead.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Kujta on 2010-01-01 19:53:47
I have a problem using the ipod manager to scrobble my played songs. I found a hint on this last.fm page (http://www.last.fm/group/foo_audioscrobbler/forum/80188/_/386474) to rewrite my database. but every time i hit that menubutton nothing happens. The console says the following lines after the first rewrite.

Code: [Select]
Audioscrobbler: Importing played tracks from Kujtas iPod
Audioscrobbler: Finished importing 0 tracks.
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: rental_expired
Audioscrobbler: Handshake successful.
iPod manager: Generate SQLite database completed in 0.2527278 s


I also tried to reset my ipod with itunes but the post process command is still failing.

I have a iPod Nano 5g and no idea what's happening. can anybody help me?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-01-01 21:18:14
The warning doesn't matter.

Play a track on the device in full. Then when you connect the iPod to the PC (make sure iTunes doesn't open) there should be a "Play Counts" file on the device in iPod_Control\iTunes. Then if you do a rewrite, it should be picked up (and the Play Counts file deleted).

If it still doesn't work then post back..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Kujta on 2010-01-02 03:37:05
how strange.... but it seems that itunes was the problem. i must not have it startet before i submit the stats. Good to know. Other question does foo_dop work when i uninstall itunes? i needed to install it for the drivers or the libs (i guess so). does windows keep those needed files after uninstallation?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-01-02 10:14:37
I have an iPhone and have a problem using foobar2000 to manage my music and iTunes to NOT manage my music.

Basically I don't use iTunes much - Mostly for app updates on my phone, ringtones etc. Last time I synced iPhone with iTunes, all of my ringtones and foobar2000 music on it got lost, but still appear as 12GB "Other" stuff on my phone. Any way to get rid of this so I can do a new sync of my music?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-01-02 13:08:23
how strange.... but it seems that itunes was the problem. i must not have it startet before i submit the stats. Good to know. Other question does foo_dop work when i uninstall itunes? i needed to install it for the drivers or the libs (i guess so). does windows keep those needed files after uninstallation?
Just disable the option to have iTunes to startup when you connect the device and you should be fine.

For the nano 5g, you need the driver installed - it comes with Apple Mobile Device Support. A copy of the driver should be in %commonprogramfiles%\Apple\Mobile Device Support\Drivers, so either keep AMDS installed or make a backup of the driver. I don't know if uninstalling AMDS removes the driver from the Windows driver store.

I have an iPhone and have a problem using foobar2000 to manage my music and iTunes to NOT manage my music.

Basically I don't use iTunes much - Mostly for app updates on my phone, ringtones etc. Last time I synced iPhone with iTunes, all of my ringtones and foobar2000 music on it got lost, but still appear as 12GB "Other" stuff on my phone. Any way to get rid of this so I can do a new sync of my music?
That shouldn't really happen.. If it happens again please post back.

Anyway, "Recover Orphaned Files" should get them back. You will probably just want to remove whatever it recovers, because the link to the dopdb will be lost.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-01-02 19:43:22
Anyway, "Recover Orphaned Files" should get them back. You will probably just want to remove whatever it recovers, because the link to the dopdb will be lost.

Umm, where do I find such option? 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-02 20:28:02
Umm, where do I find such option? 


in foobar try file>iPod>recover orphaned files
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-01-03 02:55:00
Umm, where do I find such option? 


in foobar try file>iPod>recover orphaned files

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pri3st on 2010-01-03 10:47:41
This following error appears to the console.

iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: is_itunes_u

I am using an iPod Touch 3g with fw 3.1.2 and foo dop 0.6.6.4

Also in some of my albums, it doesn't transfer the artwork that I have as folder.jpg.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pri3st on 2010-01-03 21:46:50
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Also in some of my albums, it doesn't transfer the artwork that I have as folder.jpg.


It looks like the foo dop is not able to read .jpeg. I renamed the artworks to .jpg and they have been transferred to the ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-01-03 22:52:40
The component's own reader should load images with a jpeg file extension.

Post a screenshot of your "iPod features" prefs page.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pri3st on 2010-01-04 04:33:58
I see what you mean...

I correct it.

What about the "Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: is_itunes_u" ?

BTW everything looks ok on the iPod Touch.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-01-04 07:47:15
It doesn't matter, everyone has it. It may go away with the next iPod touch software update.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-05 22:04:22
Is there any method to rename or reorder the smart playlists created by manage contents command?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chris Norman on 2010-01-05 22:45:19
Hello,

recently I just picked up a Nano5g and I have the pleasure again after 3 years of using foo_fop (it was a nano2G back then), The plugin is very impressive and straight forward to use. Thanks musicmusic!

After looking a little bit around here there are still some questions open.

When using "Synchronise" I discovered that everytime within foobar a file is modified foo_dop deletes and uploads those particular files again. This is particularly lasting if the file needs to be converted e.g. I updated the song lyrics (using foo_lyricsdb component) and after a an "update metadata" also the nano recognizes them. However, synchronising again the Nano will delete an upload the files that have been changed. Is this behaviour intended? Would it not be possible to exclude such files and simply to synchronize metadata?

Secondly, I saw that quite some people here were asking for podcast support - especially since there is now foo_podcatcher - but the answer was always no for support  Is this still the case?

And lastly, I saw that there is no direct mapping for Lyrics. I just thought that as this tag is been directly read it could be maped on the device itself by a masstagger script. However the abovementioned "synchronise issue" would render those changes useless. How about adding an option to execute such a comand after synchronising?

Thanks again and cheers.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-01-05 23:18:06
Is there any method to rename or reorder the smart playlists created by manage contents command?
Sorry, not at the moment  You can use iTunes for most of this though. (Sorting is usually alphabetical though, but you might have meant moving between folders etc.)

Hello,

recently I just picked up a Nano5g and I have the pleasure again after 3 years of using foo_fop (it was a nano2G back then), The plugin is very impressive and straight forward to use. Thanks musicmusic!

After looking a little bit around here there are still some questions open.[...]
Welcome

1. Yes, because the files are different. Why don't you tag the source files instead? Or if you are tagging the source file, then you're assuming the audio data hasn't changed.

2. Still no support, correct. It is something I'd like to change on some level, I haven't looked at foo_podcatcher though so I don't know how it will fit in.

3. Well, the lyrics should be stored in the place specified by the relevant tag format specification - so remapping shouldn't be on this side, and it would be retagging rather anyway.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-01-06 13:37:25
I have an iPhone and have a problem using foobar2000 to manage my music and iTunes to NOT manage my music.

Basically I don't use iTunes much - Mostly for app updates on my phone, ringtones etc. Last time I synced iPhone with iTunes, all of my ringtones and foobar2000 music on it got lost, but still appear as 12GB "Other" stuff on my phone. Any way to get rid of this so I can do a new sync of my music?

I think I've found the problem. I used iTunes to sync ringtones to the iPhone, which removed (however, not physically) all music stored.

I noticed that ringtones (M4R) are shown when you view the iPod contents in foobar2000 - Are there a way that I can use foobar2000 to sync m4r-ringtones?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-01-06 20:46:04
Hmm that's interesting. Sadly since (obviously) I can't add ringtones to my iPod touch using iTunes, I can't test that

If you add some songs using iTunes in manual music sync mode (and close iTunes), and then send some using foo_dop, and then sync ringtones only in iTunes, do the songs sent by iTunes stay?

m4r - this still applies (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=45160&st=2200&p=649518&hl=m4r&#entry649518)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: monoik on 2010-01-06 21:05:26
Is there a way to sync ringtones (I believe they are .m4r files) using foo_dop?  I never really used custom ringtones before, but I found a good one and it doesn't look like foo_dop can sync it, is it because foobar2000 can't read it?
Hmm, I didn't even know that extension existed. Yes it needs to be recognised in foobar2000 as well as having support for it in foo_dop. (Some kind of redirector input may be possible to redirect it to the standard mp4 input, but if that safely works it would be a last resort..)

m4r is just a m4a sound file with changed extension  nothing else is changed. So rerouting the mp4 input should be perfectly safe.
Hmm that's interesting. Sadly since I can't add ringtones to my iPod touch using iTunes, so can't test that

If you add some songs using iTunes (and close iTunes), and then some using foo_dop, and then sync ringtones only in iTunes, do the songs sent by iTunes stay?

m4r - this still applies (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=45160&st=2200&p=649518&hl=m4r&#entry649518)

I would gladly check that, but possibility of loosing every song on my iPhone (I sent all of them using foo_dop) while doing it is just too scary
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-06 21:28:00
Hmm that's interesting. Sadly since I can't add ringtones to my iPod touch using iTunes, so can't test that


I have iPhone and have been using custom ringtones since musicmusic edited foo_dop to ignore the m4r. It works fine, my suggestion is this (this is what I do): make sure iPhone is set to manually manage music and uncheck music and ringtone syncing, also, it helps to start with empty iPhone. Use iTunes to set it all up, and sync the applications, photos and contacts if needed. Drag and drop ringtones to the phone (not by syncing). Add all your songs through foo_dop.

Once I have made some plays and need to sync I just use Syncronize command in foo_dop. Then use iTunes and click sync for apps and other items. Once done with iTunes go back and re-write database command in foo_dop. This keeps the database up so it can be resynced next time. So method is  foo_dop, itunes, foo_dop. Of course, I seem to need to sync songs way more than apps and such so most of the time I am syncing with foo_dop only. Again I have zero issues with this method.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chris Norman on 2010-01-06 21:50:52
Thanks fo your answer, musicmusic.

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1. Yes, because the files are different. Why don't you tag the source files instead? Or if you are tagging the source file, then you're assuming the audio data hasn't changed.

I am acually changing the tags on the source files (so not the ones on the ipod) and with update metadata they are also updated on the Nano. Audio itself does not change, nevertheless files are deleted and uploaded again. How is the mechanism working? Are you checking e.g. MD5 of the source file to detect changes? I would prefer an option just to check the file name.

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2. Still no support, correct. It is something I'd like to change on some level, I haven't looked at foo_podcatcher though so I don't know how it will fit in.

foo_podcatcher is already quite usefull. It offers an option to download files to specific folders, thus for the beginning a synchronising function to those folders would be totally sufficient. Practically it is already now possible, but the problem remains that podcasts will clutter up the libary. A function to restrict the number of files to be transferred would be handy.

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3. Well, the lyrics should be stored in the place specified by the relevant tag format specification - so remapping shouldn't be on this side, and it would be retagging rather anyway.

I got your point. The lyrics tag could be also used to display other usefull information on the pod such as discogs information, comments and similar stuff. Remapping for source files is not really the ideal solution because it would mean that you update the whole libary with a tag that you don't use within foobar.

Cheers.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-01-06 22:52:05
m4r is just a m4a sound file with changed extension  nothing else is changed. So rerouting the mp4 input should be perfectly safe.
Not that, but the standard MP4 input says "I don't support this" but you force it on it anyway - I would call it a hack..

I have iPhone and have been using custom ringtones since musicmusic edited foo_dop to ignore the m4r. It works fine [..]
This is what I thought, I don't see why ringtones would be different from e.g. podcasts. Perhaps music sync was enabled and so that's why everything got removed - but it doesn't explain why the files stayed..

I am acually changing the tags on the source files (so not the ones on the ipod) and with update metadata they are also updated on the Nano. Audio itself does not change, nevertheless files are deleted and uploaded again. How is the mechanism working? Are you checking e.g. MD5 of the source file to detect changes? I would prefer an option just to check the file name.
Actually what you are doing won't work in itself unless you are doing something else as well; "Update metadata" is for updating the iPod's database if you made changes to the metadata of the file directly on the device.

So it won't work because lyrics aren't stored in the database, and because it won't pick up changes in the source file - use sync for that.

Audio data might well change - re-rip, MP3Gain etc. Say you ran "Rebuild MP3 stream" on an MP3 file because it wouldn't play correctly on your device, and then ran "Sync" to update the device, you certainly would've wanted it recopied. It is by design that it works the way it does I'm afraid.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-06 23:07:37
This is what I thought, I don't see why ringtones would be different from e.g. podcasts. Perhaps music sync was enabled and so that's why everything got removed - but it doesn't explain why the files stayed..


iTunes considers ringtones music so you have to have "manually manage music" unchecked in order to sync them using the sync button. When "manually manage music" is unchecked you can drag the files there and the box for syncing ringtones is disabled (if I remember correctly). Regardless of all that, Yes I think you are correct sync was enabled but syncing music may have been turned off? Possibly, why they were left.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-01-06 23:22:09
If you add some songs using iTunes in manual music sync mode (and close iTunes), and then send some using foo_dop, and then sync ringtones only in iTunes, do the songs sent by iTunes stay?

No, it seem to erase it. I think iTunes think of ringtones just as any other music, so as long as I don't touch any music-part of iTunes, my phone will sync with no problems and I can use foo_dop just fine.

I have iPhone and have been using custom ringtones since musicmusic edited foo_dop to ignore the m4r. It works fine, my suggestion is this (this is what I do): make sure iPhone is set to manually manage music and uncheck music and ringtone syncing, also, it helps to start with empty iPhone. Use iTunes to set it all up, and sync the applications, photos and contacts if needed. Drag and drop ringtones to the phone (not by syncing). Add all your songs through foo_dop.

Once I have made some plays and need to sync I just use Syncronize command in foo_dop. Then use iTunes and click sync for apps and other items. Once done with iTunes go back and re-write database command in foo_dop. This keeps the database up so it can be resynced next time. So method is  foo_dop, itunes, foo_dop. Of course, I seem to need to sync songs way more than apps and such so most of the time I am syncing with foo_dop only. Again I have zero issues with this method.

Yes that works, until you want another ringtone - If you add another ringtone to iTunes it will probably just destroy the library (at least that's what I think happened the first time). Second time when I forced it to sync the ringtones it told me right out that the contents would be destroyed.

iTunes considers ringtones music so you have to have "manually manage music" unchecked in order to sync them using the sync button. When "manually manage music" is unchecked you can drag the files there and the box for syncing ringtones is disabled (if I remember correctly). Regardless of all that, Yes I think you are correct sync was enabled but syncing music may have been turned off? Possibly, why they were left.

If you disable "manually manage music" iTunes erases anything it doesn't know on the iPhone every times it syncs.

It would be great if you could reroute a music file as a M4R on the iPhone. I'll be glad to test it
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-07 00:03:16
If you disable "manually manage music" iTunes erases anything it doesn't know on the iPhone every times it syncs.


We may be a bit confused here. You must have "manually manage music" enabled, box checked. Then when sync is done it doesn't look at the ringtones or music only other items. You have to have this enabled to use foo_dop otherwise you are always going to have orphaned files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-07 00:14:53
Yes that works, until you want another ringtone - If you add another ringtone to iTunes it will probably just destroy the library (at least that's what I think happened the first time). Second time when I forced it to sync the ringtones it told me right out that the contents would be destroyed.


No if you drag and drop ringtones on to the phone you will be just fine.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gob on 2010-01-07 07:33:04
Just like to say thanks once again for all the effort that has gone into this component. I got an ipod touch 8gb for christmas, and i'm loving it. foo_dop works wonderfully.

unfortunately i finally had to install itunes on my system to sync podcasts, video files, apps and do backups. the itunes app itself was not such an issue for me, but things like bonjour and mobile me really are. i've put together a little guide to install itunes without all the useless components you'd rather not install. most people on here likely already know, but for those that don't, it might be nice to put on the wiki.

Trimming the iTunes Install:
1. Download but do not run iTunes (64/32-bit)
2. Open the .exe file with an archive manager like 7-zip
3. Extract the components you need for your purposes. eg:
[blockquote]AppleApplicationSupport.msi
AppleMobileDeviceSupport64.msi
AppleSoftwareUpdate.msi
QuickTime.msi
iTunes64.msi[/blockquote]4. Run each component installer individually, if there are errors, open a command prompt and run the installer with a passive switch. eg:
[blockquote]C:\> iTunes64.msi /passive[/blockquote]
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-01-07 08:47:29
No, it seem to erase it.
Files and in the database?

Could you clarify then, how you are sending the ringtones to the iPhone (sync button?), and the state of the sync tabs (music, films etc. ) and also "manually manage music and videos" in iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-01-07 12:21:55
If you disable "manually manage music" iTunes erases anything it doesn't know on the iPhone every times it syncs.


We may be a bit confused here. You must have "manually manage music" enabled, box checked. Then when sync is done it doesn't look at the ringtones or music only other items. You have to have this enabled to use foo_dop otherwise you are always going to have orphaned files.

And that's what I wrote, right? IF you disable it.........

Yes that works, until you want another ringtone - If you add another ringtone to iTunes it will probably just destroy the library (at least that's what I think happened the first time). Second time when I forced it to sync the ringtones it told me right out that the contents would be destroyed.


No if you drag and drop ringtones on to the phone you will be just fine.

Oh really? Seriously, you should tell my iTunes, because it's doesn't seem to think that way.

No, it seem to erase it.
Files and in the database?

Could you clarify then, how you are sending the ringtones to the iPhone (sync button?), and the state of the sync tabs (music, films etc. ) and also "manually manage music and videos" in iTunes.


All tabs but apps, ringtones and photos are disabled.

So, now I have my perfectly foo_dop synced iPhone, go into iTunes, I can see that music is occupying the iPhone, drops a new Ringtone into the library, press Sync. Now all my music is gone and the ringtone isn't even added - It's not listed under "Ringtones" in my iPhone.

musicmusic: Actually I think that you can experiment with this as well - Doesn't the iPod Touch have an alarm app? The Alarm app uses ringtones from iTunes.

Drag a new ringtone (m4r) into iTunes, it will appear under Ringtones. However it doesn't show under the iPhone's ringtone, although it's set to sync *all* ringtones.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-07 14:05:35
1.Oh really? Seriously, you should tell my iTunes, because it's doesn't seem to think that way.

2.drops a new Ringtone into the library, press Sync. Now all my music is gone and the ringtone isn't even added - It's not listed under "Ringtones" in my iPhone.


1. No need to be smart, I am just trying to tell you it does work and trying to help you. I am successfully doing it.

2.This is your problem! You are pressing sync to add the ringtone. You don't have to sync the ringtone. In your library click the ringtone and drag it to the iPhone in the devices list. That's it, it is on there you can confirm by expanding the iPhone and looking at it. If you cannot do this then "manually manage music" is unchecked, it should be checked. Sync Ringtones should not be checked. You have to do it manually not by sync button.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-07 14:09:54
unfortunately i finally had to install itunes on my system to sync podcasts, video files


Just so you know you can add the video files to foobar and sync with foo_dop. However it may be a moot point since you still need to use iTunes for apps.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-01-07 18:27:39
2.This is your problem! You are pressing sync to add the ringtone. You don't have to sync the ringtone. In your library click the ringtone and drag it to the iPhone in the devices list. That's it, it is on there you can confirm by expanding the iPhone and looking at it. If you cannot do this then "manually manage music" is unchecked, it should be checked. Sync Ringtones should not be checked. You have to do it manually not by sync button.

Actually, it seems that sometimes iTunes will force disabling the "manually manage music" when you mess with the ringtones in some way.

But I can't add the ringtones as you describe. If I drag them to the ringtones section on my phone, they appear there, and the phone starts to sync, but they never show up on the phone - Only the old ringtones that I have always had (when I synced with the library) are still there.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-07 19:03:55
If I drag them to the ringtones section on my phone, they appear there, and the phone starts to sync, but they never show up on the phone


Try dragging to top level of phone not ringtone section, in other words the name of your phone.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-01-07 20:53:53
Same thing
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-08 00:19:26
Same thing


I'm sorry I can't help, I just repeated the process again with new ringtone I made and have no issues.
1.Created ringtone
2.clicked and drug to phone in devices list (could see it copied)
3.closed iTunes
4.opened foobar2000 and sycronized (so my plays and such would be ready for next sync) rewrite database command works too
5.ejected

Maybe it is hardware or software differences.
I am iPhone 3gs 32gb version 3.1.2, iTunes 9.0.2.25, foobar2000 beta 6, foo_dop 0.6.6.4 all on Windows 7 pro.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-08 03:30:57
(Sorting is usually alphabetical though, but you might have meant moving between folders etc.)


That's what I thought is should do but it is not (sorting alphabetically). That's why I was asking about sorting them basically (not moving).

Example I have these playlists
4 and 5s not in 30
4 and 5s not in 60
4s
5s
5s not in 30
5s not in 60
Country
Country needs rates
Green Day
Hobbes
King's X
Not Rated
Radio

On the iPhone it looks like this
5s not in 30
Not Rated
4and 5s not in 60
5s not in 60
Radio
Hobbes
4 and 5s not in 30
4s
Country
King's X
Country needs Rates
5s
Green Day

Not that this is a great big deal but, just strange. All except Hobbes are were created with "manage contents" and are smart playlists. Hobbes was synchronized.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-01-11 22:21:17
I haven't read all 107 pages, but is there a way to scrobble your songs played on your iPod using foo_dop/last.fm scrobbler (I use both) to your Last.fm?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-11 22:23:40
I haven't read all 107 pages, but is there a way to scrobble your songs played on your iPod using foo_dop/last.fm scrobbler (I use both) to your Last.fm?


Foobar2000->preferences>tools>audioscrobbler>Import played tracks from portable devices (requires foo_dop)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-01-11 22:29:11
I haven't read all 107 pages, but is there a way to scrobble your songs played on your iPod using foo_dop/last.fm scrobbler (I use both) to your Last.fm?


Foobar2000->preferences>tools>audioscrobbler>Import played tracks from portable devices (requires foo_dop)


I have no "Audioscrobbler" listed under tools. Only 'Converter' and 'iPod Manager'.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-11 22:32:04
I have no "Audioscrobbler" listed under tools. Only 'Converter' and 'iPod Manager'.


You need to install the component made for foobar not the official last.fm program.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-01-11 22:33:26
I have no "Audioscrobbler" listed under tools. Only 'Converter' and 'iPod Manager'.


You need to install the component made for foobar not the official last.fm program.


Updated both foo_dop and the scrobble component, works fine now, thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-01-11 22:40:35
I have no "Audioscrobbler" listed under tools. Only 'Converter' and 'iPod Manager'.


You need to install the component made for foobar not the official last.fm program.


Updated both foo_dop and the scrobble component, works fine now, thanks!


Actually, I'm not sure if it works now. I have played x songs on my iPod. How long do you think it will take before Last.fm tracks it?
Any suggestions to speed it up? e.g. unplug/plug in the iPod. Restart foobar. Play with other settings.

Just thinking out loud. I'd like to check if it works, hence this post.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-11 22:42:42
Look in foobar2000's console and see if you can find a line item saying x tracks imported from ipod and submitted.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-01-11 22:52:17
Look in foobar2000's console and see if you can find a line item saying x tracks imported from ipod and submitted.


Checked, nothing there.

Played one song on my iPod and reconnected:

iPod manager: Device properties: DBVersion: 3, SQLiteDB
iPod manager: 88 post process SQL commands, version 9
iPod manager: Apple iPod/iPhone connected. Device Instance Path: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1265&MI_00\000A27001E864C5C&AAPL0

That's all. Not good, eh?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-11 22:58:07
Is you playcount in foobar changing?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-01-11 23:20:08
What do you mean by that?

Don't know where to check playcount.

It is tracking the songs I play in foobar.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-11 23:47:54
Do you have playback statistics component installed?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gob on 2010-01-12 07:50:53
Hey, I'm not sure if this is an existing issue or not, but foo_dop appears to be causing a glitch with the podcasts playback stats that are synced by itunes. basically, it appears to be randomly resetting playback stats on some podcasts, but not always all of them. then when itunes syncs, its restoring the podcasts playback stats back to their state when it was last synced with itunes. I tried to follow a similar conversation in this thread, but wasn't able to find if there was any resolution.

here's the steps i used to reproduce:

-play a whole podcast
-play some songs
-update audio with foo_dop
   > podcasts are no longer listed in the proper order on the ipod
   > podcasts are no longer marked as played, *some* semi-played podcasts still show as semi-played
-sync with itunes
   > podcasts are back to listing in the proper order
   > all podcast playback stats since the last itunes sync are restored


foobar v1.0
foo_dop v0.6.6.4
iTunes v9.0.2.25
iPod touch 2G - s/w v3.1.2 (not jailbroke)
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-01-12 12:34:15
Do you have playback statistics component installed?


I just installed it. Should I set up any settings? I have done nothing of that and by default the scrobbling from iPod doesn't work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: darknecrotic on 2010-01-13 01:57:24
Is there anyway to get the albums sorted by year, instead of alphabetically when transferred to the ipod?

I saw some post where you can do it by making it display the year before the album, but if possible I'd like to do it without the year being displayed before it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-13 02:37:44
Is there anyway to get the albums sorted by year, instead of alphabetically when transferred to the ipod?

I saw some post where you can do it by making it display the year before the album, but if possible I'd like to do it without the year being displayed before it.


I think %date% - %album% is the only way. It works well for me. I am sure it is due to the way the iPod only sorts alphabetically.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: d.rk on 2010-01-13 20:03:42
Hi all,

first of all great plug-in.
But i have a few issues/questions with it(and/or with my iPod) though.

1.
On my iPod under music -> artists, the artists are sorted like this:

The Adicts
Al & the Black Cats
The Astro Zombies
...

is there a way to change it to:

Al & the Black Cats
...
Batmobile
Cock Sparrer
...
The Adicts
so that "The" in the beginning of an artist is not ignored?(I don't have this option checked in preferences)

2.
Is there an easy way to update the metadata(e.g. genre) on my ipod if i made changes to the according files on my computer? What i do now is, delete the files from my ipod and add them again with the changes made to the metadata. Is this the only way to do it?

3.
What is the Database Metadata mapping for? And how do i use it correctly?

thanks in advance

p.s.: Sorry for my bad english :/


Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-01-13 21:50:59
Do you have playback statistics component installed?


I just installed it. Should I set up any settings? I have done nothing of that and by default the scrobbling from iPod doesn't work.


Any suggestions metalboy?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-13 21:53:52
Any suggestions metalboy?


Sorry, I am out of ideas. You might try the thread for Audioscrobbler. Might seem silly but you do have your username and password filled in under the component settings for audioscrobbler?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2010-01-14 06:41:06
Is there an easy way to update the metadata(e.g. genre) on my ipod if i made changes to the according files on my computer? What i do now is, delete the files from my ipod and add them again with the changes made to the metadata. Is this the only way to do it?
You should use the Synch command for that.

HTH.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-01-15 10:14:03
Any suggestions metalboy?


Sorry, I am out of ideas. You might try the thread for Audioscrobbler. Might seem silly but you do have your username and password filled in under the component settings for audioscrobbler?


I do. It scrobbles all songs just fine if I play them in foobar, yet it doesn't scrobble the songs played on my iPod. I might give the audioscrobbler thread a try, then.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2010-01-17 22:53:27
I've noticed on the newest version that rewrite database takes an awful lot longer and makes my foobar hang for a bit. Is there anything I could do help it move along?

Alternatively, is there some easier way to extract the ipod's plays to upload to audioscrobbler?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zahubu on 2010-01-18 16:32:36
First off thanks to the creator for an awesome plugin, I thought switching from iTunes to foobar would be a huge hassle but the whole process was quick and easy.  I'm especially grateful for your conscise instructions on getting everything working.

I notice a lot of people on the forums are asking about podcast support.  What I'm doing until that becomes available is dragging the podcast file into foobar, going into tagging: ipod tag editor and setting the media type to audiobook.

This gives almost the same settings as podcasts, and works for me because I prefer to have my podcasts in a web rss reader, where I can access them from many computers.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chinch on 2010-01-19 08:38:43
Just like to say thanks once again for all the effort that has gone into this component. I got an ipod touch 8gb for christmas, and i'm loving it. foo_dop works wonderfully.

unfortunately i finally had to install itunes on my system to sync podcasts, video files, apps and do backups. the itunes app itself was not such an issue for me, but things like bonjour and mobile me really are. i've put together a little guide to install itunes without all the useless components you'd rather not install. most people on here likely already know, but for those that don't, it might be nice to put on the wiki.

Trimming the iTunes Install:
1. Download but do not run iTunes (64/32-bit)
2. Open the .exe file with an archive manager like 7-zip
3. Extract the components you need for your purposes. eg:
[blockquote]AppleApplicationSupport.msi
AppleMobileDeviceSupport64.msi
AppleSoftwareUpdate.msi
QuickTime.msi
iTunes64.msi[/blockquote]4. Run each component installer individually, if there are errors, open a command prompt and run the installer with a passive switch. eg:
[blockquote]C:\> iTunes64.msi /passive[/blockquote]


i actually didn't know this (or ever think about it really)... i'm going to see what's in there out of curiosity i think.. though that seems to look like most of the stuff it installs to me? (though who knows what blinded eyes don't see...) as you mentioned.. bonjour... useful really only if you are using the 'sharing' feature of itunes, and/or you're using an app to remotely control itunes which uses it... mobileme is no longer installed by default i don't think... and of course the public backlash about the safari slip-it-on-in got rid of that sneaky update quite nicely. now if only i could rid myself of that beast completely... ah yes... i have a dream... (sorry, seemed only fitting for MLK day) [moderators: i am not aiming to be disrespectful by that, was just trying to be humorous about itunes] -- thanks for the tip! unfortunately i have an itouch as well, (well... that's the fortunate part, i love that thing)... but as you said.. for fully functionality (apps, etc)... i'm forced to keep it around.. *sigh*

maybe i can just manually sync or backup the apps somehow... hmm... oh well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: (((STEREO))) on 2010-01-22 03:44:46
Need help with compilation mapping please!  I've scoured this forum for this scenario and can't find a direct answer...

I name all my compilations using the album artist field...I leave album artist blank for everything else.

I'm trying to trigger the compilation bit on any text found in the %album artist% field (not JUST Various Artists or VA).

Ideas please!? Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2010-01-22 04:03:34
Need help with compilation mapping please!  I've scoured this forum for this scenario and can't find a direct answer...

I name all my compilations using the album artist field...I leave album artist blank for everything else.

I'm trying to trigger the compilation bit on any text found in the %album artist% field (not JUST Various Artists or VA).

Ideas please!? Thanks!

Can't you use the quicktagger with if(%album artist%,%compilation%=1,), or something?
Look up the syntax in more detail I guess.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: (((STEREO))) on 2010-01-23 05:05:26

Need help with compilation mapping please!  I've scoured this forum for this scenario and can't find a direct answer...

I name all my compilations using the album artist field...I leave album artist blank for everything else.

I'm trying to trigger the compilation bit on any text found in the %album artist% field (not JUST Various Artists or VA).

Ideas please!? Thanks!

Can't you use the quicktagger with if(%album artist%,%compilation%=1,), or something?
Look up the syntax in more detail I guess.


Thanks Shade[ST], problem is when using the tag %ALBUM ARTIST%, Foobar automatically resorts to inserting %ARTIST% info if the %ALBUM ARTIST% is left blank.

Because of this, text will always be found by the %ALBUM ARTIST% field even when itself is left blank. This means everything on my iPod gets tagged with COMPILATION=1 (VARIOUS ARTISTS).

I think I need to do some kind of compare:

If %ALBUM ARTIST% equals %ARTIST% then it must be a regular album (COMPILATION=0)
If %ALBUM ARTIST% does not equal %ARTIST% then it must be a compilation (COMPILATION=1)

Can anyone please confirm if this would work and what the syntax would be?!

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shiphtfour on 2010-01-23 07:23:32
I think I need to do some kind of compare:

If %ALBUM ARTIST% equals %ARTIST% then it must be a regular album (COMPILATION=0)
If %ALBUM ARTIST% does not equal %ARTIST% then it must be a compilation (COMPILATION=1)

Can anyone please confirm if this would work and what the syntax would be?!

Thanks!


I think what you are looking for is:

Code: [Select]
$if($stricmp(%album artist%,%artist%),,%ipod_compilation%=1)


But in cases when the two DO match (if the album artist and artist are the same for a couple of the songs), it won't write the compilation tag to those files.
I find it easier to just bind a keystroke to a masstagger script that writes an IPOD_COMPILATION=1 tag to the files I want.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aphasia on 2010-01-23 16:44:04
Need help with compilation mapping please!  I've scoured this forum for this scenario and can't find a direct answer...

I name all my compilations using the album artist field...I leave album artist blank for everything else.

I'm trying to trigger the compilation bit on any text found in the %album artist% field (not JUST Various Artists or VA).

Ideas please!? Thanks!


What's wrong with putting $if($meta_test(album artist),1,) in the Compilation Mapping setting in Pod Manager > Database in Preferences? No new tagging needed then.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2010-01-23 18:41:55
Again, I'll present this problem:

Whenever I do the Rewrite database action, it takes at least 3-4 minutes... During which my entire foobar will freeze for a bit, and it will even slow down other programs.

I have a 160 gb ipod classic, so perhaps that is the problem?

Is something anyone else deals with? Is there an easier way to update my last.fm plays from my ipod that won't make everything slow as molasses? lol.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-01-23 20:39:47
Same thing

I'm sorry I can't help, I just repeated the process again with new ringtone I made and have no issues.
1.Created ringtone
2.clicked and drug to phone in devices list (could see it copied)
3.closed iTunes
4.opened foobar2000 and sycronized (so my plays and such would be ready for next sync) rewrite database command works too
5.ejected

Maybe it is hardware or software differences.
I am iPhone 3gs 32gb version 3.1.2, iTunes 9.0.2.25, foobar2000 beta 6, foo_dop 0.6.6.4 all on Windows 7 pro.
I'm still not able to reproduce your way of adding Ringtones. My gf just got an iPhone and I'm trying to do exactly as you describe. I can clearly see that iTunes sends the ringtones to the phone - I can even see the iPhone update when I change the titles of the ringtones - Yet they DO NOT APPEAR ON THE PHONE! Shoot, I forgot the lame 30 sec limit. Doh
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: evndude on 2010-01-24 03:22:02
Is there a way to add a custom field for tag remapping? I want to add one for not shuffling certain songs (1 starred). It would work a lot like the Compilation tag, but instead I'd have it setup like this:

ShuffleSkip -> $ifgreater(%rating%,1,),1,%ipod_shuffleskip%)

I know I can tag the files manually with IPOD_SHUFFLESKIP, but I'd rather do it with tags so I can control it the same way as foo_skip.

Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dooferlad on 2010-01-25 12:46:42
I have noticed that sometimes when I sync from more than one location that should have mostly the same files, which I do by using send to ipod, most of the time no duplicates are created on my ipod but sometimes some are. I guess that it will be because I tend to download music I purchase from emusic as soon as I buy it from one machine immediately and later on I download it to another machine. It could be that the files are slightly different.

Clearly there is some code in the plugin to avoid copying the same file onto the ipod twice, but it would be nice if it could be configured. Perhaps a configuration file or options dialog where I could specify which metadata to use to detect duplicates. I guess I am only interested in it checking artist, album name, track number and file name. If anything else is different an option to always overwrite if newer would be great (the assumption being it is either an updated re-issue (a remaster) or the metadata has been corrected in some way.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pickaxe on 2010-01-25 15:48:15
I just wanted to thank you musicmusic for making such a great plugin.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-25 21:13:29
Shoot, I forgot the lame 30 sec limit. Doh


Glad it worked out. I must be slow because I have never noticed that delay.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-01-25 22:56:31
Slightly strange behavior here I am not entirely sure it is consistent but here it is: I have noticed when adding a tag field in foobar once I sync to iphone the music somewhat disappears in the list. It started out by when I add lyrics tag to a file. Now I am on a sorting kick and was adding TITLESORTORDER to my songs. So example: I have 2 albums Artist = Angles and Ariwaves, I tag both of them with new filed TITLESORTORDER and set the value to the year of the album. These songs are already on the iphone and were synced with synchronize. So I do another synchronize and files get recopied to iphone. When I go to look in the list I have Artist Angels and Airwaves but next screen where albums should be is listed as "no music". So I do another synchronize and they show up. The weird thing is that after the first sync the albums that are not listed in the browser they ARE in the Cover Flow and can be played. So just now I did a synchronize to add the songs and then another synchronize (that didn't sync anything) and the files seem to be there.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pickaxe on 2010-01-26 07:31:00
A little bug (?) I'm having with this component: closing Foobar with foo_dop loaded always takes about 10-12 seconds (with or without an iPod plugged in). Without the component it exits instantly.

Also, I found a lockup issue I can consistently reproduce:
1) Plug in iPod Touch
2) Change to iPod View playlist
3) Unplug iPod, exit Foobar, launch Foobar
4) Attempt to play a song (from playlist). Foobar becomes unresponsive instead of displaying a 'file not found' error.

And several other stability issues when starting Foobar with the iPod View playlist loaded, that I could find but am having a hard time explaining/easily reproducing. I'm not a programmer, but it would seem to me that automatically making sure iPod View isn't the current playlist at shutdown would be the least complicated way of fixing this.

Again, thank you for a really great component.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-01-26 08:19:09
Shoot, I forgot the lame 30 sec limit. Doh


Glad it worked out. I must be slow because I have never noticed that delay.

Another quirk I experienced: I had trouble adding a bunch of ringtones that even should qualify those requirements. Somehow when I tried to add 12 tracks, only one showed up (seemed to be a random one). Appearently that were too much - Adding just 7-8 ringtones are fine.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: (((STEREO))) on 2010-01-27 02:55:14
Need help with compilation mapping please!  I've scoured this forum for this scenario and can't find a direct answer...

I name all my compilations using the album artist field...I leave album artist blank for everything else.

I'm trying to trigger the compilation bit on any text found in the %album artist% field (not JUST Various Artists or VA).

Ideas please!? Thanks!


What's wrong with putting $if($meta_test(album artist),1,) in the Compilation Mapping setting in Pod Manager > Database in Preferences? No new tagging needed then.


Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but using $if($meta_test(album artist),1,) polls the %album artist% field which, if left blank, defaults to polling text from the %artist% field. (Per Foobar2000:Title Formatting Reference: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?ti...album_artist.25 (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Foobar2000:Titleformat_Reference#.25album_artist.25) )

This means that %album artist% always contains text whether its actually found in %album artist% or not (since it moves on to finding text in the %artist% field). Since text is ALWAYS found using %album artist% the COMPILATION BIT always equals 1 and ALL songs get tagged as a compilation.

Thanks for the suggestion.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aphasia on 2010-01-27 08:24:39
Need help with compilation mapping please!  I've scoured this forum for this scenario and can't find a direct answer...

I name all my compilations using the album artist field...I leave album artist blank for everything else.

I'm trying to trigger the compilation bit on any text found in the %album artist% field (not JUST Various Artists or VA).

Ideas please!? Thanks!


What's wrong with putting $if($meta_test(album artist),1,) in the Compilation Mapping setting in Pod Manager > Database in Preferences? No new tagging needed then.


Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but using $if($meta_test(album artist),1,) polls the %album artist% field which, if left blank, defaults to polling text from the %artist% field. (Per Foobar2000:Title Formatting Reference: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?ti...album_artist.25 (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Foobar2000:Titleformat_Reference#.25album_artist.25) )

This means that %album artist% always contains text whether its actually found in %album artist% or not (since it moves on to finding text in the %artist% field). Since text is ALWAYS found using %album artist% the COMPILATION BIT always equals 1 and ALL songs get tagged as a compilation.

Thanks for the suggestion.

No you're mistaken. When using any of the $meta functions foobar only checks the field specified, i.e., if album artist is not present it won't check artist or any other field. Therefore, I think my solution should work. Let me know how you get on.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-01 20:39:53
That's what I thought is should do but it is not (sorting alphabetically). That's why I was asking about sorting them basically (not moving).

Example I have these playlists


Just a bit more info on this, I deleted all my playlists and recreated them in iTunes, playlists are sorted alphabetically as they should so I was happy, synchronized with foo_dop and it changed the order of them, LOL. I didn't even use Manage Contents.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Freedom-loving on 2010-02-02 20:20:41
Hi!
I have a lot of music in FLAC and Ape, how can I "send to Ipod" directly in this format and convert to mp3  on the fly?
Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2010-02-02 20:22:51
@Freedom-loving: http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:conversion (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:conversion)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Freedom-loving on 2010-02-02 20:30:43
@Freedom-loving: http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:conversion (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:conversion)

Wow, thank you so much!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chris Norman on 2010-02-02 20:54:00
After testing the plug-in I discovered an inconvenience: I transfered a couple of m4b audiobooks with chapters using itunes (because only itunes preserves chapters). After transferring files with foo_dop the chapter informations is gone - the file appears as one big audio file which is quite inconvenient for long files.

Is there any chance (in the future) either
I created the m4b files encoding cds with nero aac and using Chapter and Verse (http://lodensoftware.com/)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ben Laserlove on 2010-02-02 23:16:07
Hey, thanks for developing this wonderful plugin! It's really useful to me. 

I have two questions for you though, or anyone who can answer me.

1. Can you somehow put "Podcasts" on your iPod Touch through foo_dop, or do I have to do it through iTunes (I rather not)?

2. Appearantly, some of my albums that have multiple artists, have multiple albums for each artist in the Albums View in my iPod Touch. I know about the metadata stuff in the options, but how would I script it to change the Album Artist to "various artists" if the same album has different artists on some of their tracks? Did anyone catch that?

I'm using a third generation iPod Touch, and I would be very glad if anyone could helpout.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-02 23:49:40
Hey, thanks for developing this wonderful plugin! It's really useful to me. 

I have two questions for you though, or anyone who can answer me.

1. Can you somehow put "Podcasts" on your iPod Touch through foo_dop, or do I have to do it through iTunes (I rather not)?

2. Appearantly, some of my albums that have multiple artists, have multiple albums for each artist in the Albums View in my iPod Touch. I know about the metadata stuff in the options, but how would I script it to change the Album Artist to "various artists" if the same album has different artists on some of their tracks? Did anyone catch that?

I'm using a third generation iPod Touch, and I would be very glad if anyone could helpout.


1. There is a component foo_podcatcher but I don't do podcasts so I have no idea if this is what you want.

2. I think you want to tag IPOD_COMPILATION with 1. Then compilations will be grouped as one album but I thought that is what the script in options is doing.

Both of those answers I believe have been covered above.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-03 00:05:35
FYI, I loaded iPhone OS 3.1.3 and all seems fine. Played one song and resynced. Ringtones still intact. Hopefully a no issue for musicmusic.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2010-02-03 16:11:52
One question I have (and is a major hurdle against my replacing iTunes with foobar2000 permanently) is how do you guys manage your album art?

Currently, I store album art on my local drive in as high resolution as I can, downscaling to 1000 pixels on the larger dimension if my image source is larger, and resize to 200 pixels (again, on the larger dimension) when I put files on my iPod. (I've determined that the displayed image on the iPod's screen approximately this size anyway, and since the transferred BMP is actually embedded in each file, this is the most size-optimal way to do this I've been able to figure out.)

Is there an easy way to accomplish this using foo_dop? Would it be in my interests to downscale my local images further, say 500 pixels on the longer dimension?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chris Norman on 2010-02-03 18:08:27
One question I have (and is a major hurdle against my replacing iTunes with foobar2000 permanently) is how do you guys manage your album art?

Currently, I store album art on my local drive in as high resolution as I can, downscaling to 1000 pixels on the larger dimension if my image source is larger, and resize to 200 pixels (again, on the larger dimension) when I put files on my iPod. (I've determined that the displayed image on the iPod's screen approximately this size anyway, and since the transferred BMP is actually embedded in each file, this is the most size-optimal way to do this I've been able to figure out.)

Is there an easy way to accomplish this using foo_dop? Would it be in my interests to downscale my local images further, say 500 pixels on the longer dimension?


I don't understand the question exactly and I don't know how album art is handled nowadays in iTunes but artwork is a major advantage of foo_dop. I understood that you use embedded artwork this is recognized by foobar and also by foo_dop. Resize is done automatically while transferring the songs. Just give it a try

-Chris
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-03 18:54:36
One question I have (and is a major hurdle against my replacing iTunes with foobar2000 permanently) is how do you guys manage your album art?

Currently, I store album art on my local drive in as high resolution as I can, downscaling to 1000 pixels on the larger dimension if my image source is larger, and resize to 200 pixels (again, on the larger dimension) when I put files on my iPod. (I've determined that the displayed image on the iPod's screen approximately this size anyway, and since the transferred BMP is actually embedded in each file, this is the most size-optimal way to do this I've been able to figure out.)

Is there an easy way to accomplish this using foo_dop? Would it be in my interests to downscale my local images further, say 500 pixels on the longer dimension?


Foo_dop handles the artwork fine. Mine are embedded I use Mp3tag to do it (http://www.mp3tag.de/en/). I also store the .jpg as "cover.jpg" in the same folder as the album and I think foo_dop has settings to pick these up if not embedded. I myself don't really care what size it is as long as it looks good. Some of mine are 200x200 and some up to 800x800 size really isn't an issue for me.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2010-02-04 01:26:20
I don't understand the question exactly... I understood that you use embedded artwork...

Hopefully this is more clear: I store cover.jpg/.png files in my local directories. When storing album art on an iPod, iTunes embeds the image into the headers of each individual file, then builds a database of "thumbnails" of smaller size.

I myself don't really care what size it is as long as it looks good. Some of mine are 200x200 and some up to 800x800 size really isn't an issue for me.

The 800x800 size images is the issue I am trying to avoid. If I just used foo_dop to transfer tracks as I currently understand it, I would be wasting a lot of space just for art. That's why I always resize before putting the art through iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-04 03:20:11
The 800x800 size images is the issue I am trying to avoid. If I just used foo_dop to transfer tracks as I currently understand it, I would be wasting a lot of space just for art. That's why I always resize before putting the art through iTunes.


Well I guess it depends on how much you are trying to save. If you saved 20 kb per song on an iPod with 4000 songs you are only saving 78 mbs. Which to me is not worth the hassle. Chris was saying foo_dop was resizing them, if so you don't have to worry about it. If you are intent on keeping the large artwork just keep it as say cover.jpg and resize one as folder.jpg and tell foo_dop to use them as the artwork problem solved.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2010-02-04 05:12:48
Meh. The idea was to let foo_dop automate all this for me. As it stands, I already manually convert lossless files to AAC and resize album art before loading to the iPod. If I'd have to do it anyway, it seems like I wouldn't really gain any benefit.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: David Heath on 2010-02-07 15:48:32
Thanks for this useful application - it's a great way for me to use my iPod with foobar2k. I have two questions:

1) Transferring album compilations currently results in the tracks all appearing as separate albums (I guess it goes by the ARTIST name and notices they are all different. The ALBUMARTIST is 'Various Artists'). Is there a way to rectify this without me having to re-consider my compilation naming convention?

2) Any chance of a scrobbling feature when re-connecting to the computer?


Many thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2010-02-07 16:11:26
1) Transferring album compilations currently results in the tracks all appearing as separate albums (I guess it goes by the ARTIST name and notices they are all different. The ALBUMARTIST is 'Various Artists'). Is there a way to rectify this without me having to re-consider my compilation naming convention?

Quoth the manual (http://www.yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:database):
Quote
Compilation mapping

Specifies a title format script that determines whether a track is part of a compilation. The script should output 1 for compilations, and nothing otherwise.

The following does the trick for me:
Code: [Select]
$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,)

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2) Any chance of a scrobbling feature when re-connecting to the computer?

Install foo_audioscrobbler (http://www.mp3tag.de/en/fb2k.html); it'll scrobble the data as soon as you sync your iPod with foo_dop.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: David Heath on 2010-02-07 16:46:58
Quote
Compilation mapping

Specifies a title format script that determines whether a track is part of a compilation. The script should output 1 for compilations, and nothing otherwise.

The following does the trick for me:
Code: [Select]
$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,)


Mine should look like:

Code: [Select]
$if($stricmp($meta(ALBUMARTIST),Various Artists),1,)

But where should I enter that code?

Thanks for the notice about foo_dop - I didn't realise there was a checkbox which enabled scrobbling from portable devices.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lojom on 2010-02-07 19:45:38
Will it be possible to embed artwork into each individual file in a future release?

Currenty, artwork shows up on my itouch. But when I load the itouch library into foobar with foo_dop, none of the artwork is there. iTunes itself also does not pick up the artwork. Apparently, foo_dop only adds the artwork to the itouch library but not embedded into the files themselves.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2010-02-07 20:19:25
But where should I enter that code?

Take a very close look at the screenshot on the manual page that I linked to - it's hidden in plain view... *hint hint*
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-02-08 20:30:35
The scrobbles are not being imported from my iPod when I connect it.

What is displayed on the console in foobar2000 when you run 'File > iPod > Rewrite iPod database'?

iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: rental_expired
iPod manager: Generate SQLite database completed in 0.8354065 s

OK, I think this is something for musicmusic (the foo_dop developer). I really don't know what this means


Any ideas?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-08 20:49:02
Any ideas?


So your normal plays from Foobar2000 are getting scrobbled and iPod is not? And it is enabled in the on the audioscrobbler preferences?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rasvaan on 2010-02-08 20:49:04
First of all, I want to thank you for this great component. I've been using it for years in combination with my ancient iPod mini.

I recently bought an iPod Classic 2009 160GB and I'm syncing it with my media lybrary using foobar 1.0 and foo_dop 0.6.6.4. This seems to go well, but when browsing the ipod using coverflow some of the coverarts where missing, although the coverarts appear in foobar. After inspecting the contents of the folder it appears that the coverart of the folders including a disc.jpg or cd.jpg are missing. When I remove the disc.jpg from the folder, remove the corresponding files from the iPod and then add them again, the cover does appear.

I scanned the last couple of pages of this topic wondering if this is a known problem, but I could'nt find anyone mentioning it. A solution is just simply deleting all the disc images, but I hope there is a somewhat less time consuming method...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-08 20:55:17
First of all, I want to thank you for this great component. I've been using it for years in combination with my ancient iPod mini.

I recently bought an iPod Classic 2009 160GB and I'm syncing it with my media lybrary using foobar 1.0 and foo_dop 0.6.6.4. This seems to go well, but when browsing the ipod using coverflow some of the coverarts where missing, although the coverarts appear in foobar. After inspecting the contents of the folder it appears that the coverart of the folders including a disc.jpg or cd.jpg are missing. When I remove the disc.jpg from the folder, remove the corresponding files from the iPod and then add them again, the cover does appear.

I scanned the last couple of pages of this topic wondering if this is a known problem, but I could'nt find anyone mentioning it. A solution is just simply deleting all the disc images, but I hope there is a somewhat less time consuming method...


Did you check the source script for the artwork on the ipod preferences? Mine is working fine on iPhone with the source script blank but I only have one .jpg in there which is cover.jpg (on the files I don't have artwork embedded). Mostly mine are embedded though (using Mp3Tag to save them to the tags).

Edit: I also have the "Additionally use Foobar2000 built-in artwork reader checked.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-02-08 20:56:07
Any ideas?


So your normal plays from Foobar2000 are getting scrobbled and iPod is not? And it is enabled in the on the audioscrobbler preferences?


Correct.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rasvaan on 2010-02-08 21:12:38
Quote
Did you check the source script for the artwork on the ipod preferences? Mine is working fine on iPhone with the source script blank but I only have one .jpg in there which is cover.jpg (on the files I don't have artwork embedded). Mostly mine are embedded though (using Mp3Tag to save them to the tags).

Edit: I also have the "Additionally use Foobar2000 built-in artwork reader checked.


Add artwork to files send to iPod is checked (hehe, would be pretty stupid not to..)
Source script: front.jpg
Additionally use foobar 2000 built-in artwork reader is also checked

Should I change something to the source script? None of the files have embedded artwork, all of them use front.jpg. I'll try leaving the source script blanc.

Edit: I left the source script blanc, removed one of the albums without coverart from the iPod and added it again. Regretfully still no cover..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-08 22:11:18
Should I change something to the source script? None of the files have embedded artwork, all of them use front.jpg. I'll try leaving the source script blanc.

I used
Code: [Select]
$directory_path($directory_path(%path%))\cover
and mine seems to pick it up fine, I know there are other variables. I found this topic: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=71054 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=71054)
it is for columns ui but should be the same. I myself would like to learn this script.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-08 22:27:58
Correct.


Sent you a PM. I don't need ipod manager settings just audioscrobbler page.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-08 22:40:45
@ rasvaan
Code: [Select]
$directory_path($directory_path(%path%))\cover

I think that may have been bad advice that returns to folder above album folder.

This:
Code: [Select]
$directory_path(%path%)\cover
returns to album folder.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2010-02-08 22:47:26
Would it be possible for conversion profiles? I have 3 iPod's (Video, Shuffle & Touch), I sync my full library with the Video and manually manage the Shuffle and Touch, however, I only want to transcode the files copied to the Shuffle to save room.

I was thinking that it would be handy to assign a profile to each hardware ID?

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lojom on 2010-02-09 06:13:55
Add artwork to files send to iPod is checked (hehe, would be pretty stupid not to..)
Source script: front.jpg
Additionally use foobar 2000 built-in artwork reader is also checked

Should I change something to the source script? None of the files have embedded artwork, all of them use front.jpg. I'll try leaving the source script blanc.

Edit: I left the source script blanc, removed one of the albums without coverart from the iPod and added it again. Regretfully still no cover..

entering this into the source script should work:
Code: [Select]
front
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-02-09 15:20:54
The scrobbles are not being imported from my iPod when I connect it.

What is displayed on the console in foobar2000 when you run 'File > iPod > Rewrite iPod database'?

iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: rental_expired
iPod manager: Generate SQLite database completed in 0.8354065 s

OK, I think this is something for musicmusic (the foo_dop developer). I really don't know what this means


Any ideas?


Fix'd!

I enabled "Only submit tracks from my Media Library" and disabled "Submit tracks from dynamic sources", because I noticed metalboy had it like that. And now it works just fine. Pretty damn random if you ask me. But hey, it's fixed!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rasvaan on 2010-02-09 15:22:04
entering this into the source script should work:
Code: [Select]
front


Thank you so much, this seems to work! I used the "Update artwork" command and now all the covers show up!

@metalboy: Tanks for the help! My artwork is located in the same folder as the albums, so there is no need for absolut paths indicating the location of the covers.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: David Heath on 2010-02-13 14:31:54
But where should I enter that code?

Take a very close look at the screenshot on the manual page that I linked to - it's hidden in plain view... *hint hint*

This still doesn't seem to be working for me. Tracks from compilations are still appearing separately when browsing by Album on the iPod. Here are my settings, and there properties dialog box showing how each track within a compilation is 'coded':

(http://thefruitsoup.com/miscellany/davidfiles/fb01.jpg)

(http://thefruitsoup.com/miscellany/davidfiles/fb02.jpg)


Furthermore, despite the appropriate checkbox being ticked (see below) scrobbles are still not coming from my portable device:

(http://thefruitsoup.com/miscellany/davidfiles/fb03.jpg)

What am I doing wrong here?

I currently synchronise to my iPod via 'File > iPod > Synchronise...' then check the two playlists I want to transfer and click OK.


Any help greatly appreciated.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-13 14:57:18
Tracks from compilations are still appearing separately...


Looks to me like you need %album artist% not albumartist in your string. You also apeared to have created the tag albumartist in your properties, there is already a line album artist above. You should do some reading on title formatting. 

Furthermore, despite the appropriate checkbox being ticked (see below) scrobbles are still not coming from my portable device


Try checking only scobble tracks from library. I know that helped someone else a few posts ago.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: David Heath on 2010-02-14 14:27:29
Looks to me like you need %album artist% not albumartist in your string. You also apeared to have created the tag albumartist in your properties, there is already a line album artist above. You should do some reading on title formatting.

I actually didn't realise that I wasn't using the standard tag with the space in the middle. I've just gone through my entire media library replacing the ALBUMARTIST tag with ALBUM ARTIST and this has solved the problem I was having.
Try checking only scobble tracks from library. I know that helped someone else a few posts ago.

Just done this, and now it seems to work. It only seems to actually submit the data if new songs are added or songs are removed from the iPod. Just synchronising but not actually making changes doesn't let the iPod transmit this information, which is strange.

Thanks for all the help, anyway.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: xScaryKidx on 2010-02-14 20:47:16
I don't want to go through the whole topic but I have one question... or whatever you would like me to call it. Anyway.
I put a lot of music on my iPod earlier today and that went really good, got all the songs and got all the album art. Then I started to tag the songs - I want it to be the right genre and all that stuff - but when I ejected the iPod after I completed the tagging process and looked at my music at the iPod, nothing had changed, why? Is there something I have to do? I loaded the library as a playlist in Foobar2000 and then I tagged the songs right there...

I hope someone will answer this, I would really appreciate that!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: xScaryKidx on 2010-02-14 22:24:52
After googling this for some hours I finally found how to do it, haha. So simple..., I'll post it if someone else will get this problem in the near future:

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After you edited the genre tag, select all the tracks on the Ipod, right click -> iPod -> Update metadata on iPod.
That's because the iPod software doesn't read the file tags themself, but an external database which is update only by foo_dop. Editing a file tag doesn't update the database and so you see still the old tag. "Update metadata on iPod" synchronizes the database with file tags.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Borszczuk on 2010-02-15 16:47:09
I got problems scrobbling ipod 5g stuff (it's Vista, foobar 1.0, latest audioscrobbler and dop plugins - updated yesterday to ensure it's recent).
The problem is I am not seeing any plays scrobbled nor even sent to last.fm. I did check console to see what's up and what I do see there
is:

on startup:

iPod manager: Device properties: DBVersion: 3, SQLiteDB
iPod manager: 88 post process SQL commands, version 9
iPod manager: Apple iPod/iPhone connected. Device Instance Path: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1265&MI_00\000A2700203DD354&AAPL0


after the sync:

iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: rental_expired
iPod manager: Generate SQLite database completed in 2.8670066 s


What worse, all my plays are "taken" from ipod but as they are not sent to last.fm at all it also seem to be
completely gone due to that issue. It's not buffered, cached nor anything else (checked track count in prefs -> 0,
didn't check audioscrobbler's cache file, but I do not expect to find any gems there either).

This seem to be somehow related to 5g ipods as I also got 4g one and see no single problem
at all with it (and with scrobbling/dod). I did checked "archive" of this thread and it seems someeone
else had the same issue, but I found no solutuion. Any working hints?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-15 18:53:28
I did checked "archive" of this thread and it seems someeone
else had the same issue, but I found no solutuion. Any working hints?


Just curious, but did checking the "Only Scrobble Track from Library" mentioned 4 or 5 posts above this one help and or make any difference?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mig on 2010-02-15 23:13:55
I read the last few pages and so far it seems like the only way to add ringtones to the iPhone is via iTunes, is this correct?
If so, are there any plans to support sending ringtones to the iPhone with foo_dop?

I don't have iTunes installed as all my apps I download from the Apps Store on the phone, and everything else is synchronized over the air for me, so I don't see a need to install iTunes and would rather leave it uninstalled.

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: spitf1r3 on 2010-02-16 00:16:23
So is there any solution to use foo_dop on 64 bit windows?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-16 00:23:50
I read the last few pages and so far it seems like the only way to add ringtones to the iPhone is via iTunes, is this correct?


Yes, I think so. I don't know of another way to sync them.

If so, are there any plans to support sending ringtones to the iPhone with foo_dop?


I don't think it is so much about foo_dop supporting it as much as it is Foobar2000 supporting it. But, I will leave this to the developer.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-16 00:25:58
So is there any solution to use foo_dop on 64 bit windows?


What problem are you having? I am using foo_dop on 64bit Windows 7 just fine.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: spitf1r3 on 2010-02-16 01:26:00
It doesn't detect my iPod, but it does under 32 bit win 7.
I do have iTunes and of cource Apple Mobile Device Support installed.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-16 02:06:38
It doesn't detect my iPod, but it does under 32 bit win 7.
I do have iTunes and of cource Apple Mobile Device Support installed.


On your 64bit OS do you have 64bit iTunes installed or 32bit? I would try 64 if not. What does it say in the console when connecting it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Borszczuk on 2010-02-16 11:56:56
I did checked "archive" of this thread and it seems someeone
else had the same issue, but I found no solutuion. Any working hints?


Just curious, but did checking the "Only Scrobble Track from Library" mentioned 4 or 5 posts above this one help and or make any difference?


I got that option turned off (I want to scrobble all I got). As I wrote - this config is just the clone of files from the box it works harmless with
ipod 4g. But it that's known that randomly playing with some foo_dop's settings is a working cure - I'd give it a try and write back here.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mig on 2010-02-16 12:52:01
It doesn't detect my iPod, but it does under 32 bit win 7.
I do have iTunes and of cource Apple Mobile Device Support installed.


On your 64bit OS do you have 64bit iTunes installed or 32bit? I would try 64 if not. What does it say in the console when connecting it?


If he is on 64bit he would def. need the 64-bit iTunes installed so that the 64-bit drivers get installed. The only other thing I've found (which I've added to the foo_dop wiki as well) is to ensure that the first time you connect your iPod onto a new machine (that has foobar /w foo_dop open) make sure it is unlocked in the home screen (if you have it passcode protected). If the phone is passcode protected and locked foo_dop will fail to pair with the device, though after the initial sync you can connect the phone (while locked) to foobar /w foo_dop and you will be able to connect without a problem and manage your music/videos on the phone/ipod.

The steps above have worked for me multiple times on multiple Windows 7 32/64-bit machines and Windows XP 32-bit machines.

If it doesn't work after trying this, please post what the console output is.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2010-02-16 17:04:24
Request: A function simply to collect playcounts from the ipod, as opposed to rewriting the database. This takes a long time for my ipod and often makes foobar temporarily freeze.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-02-16 22:43:28
I got problems scrobbling ipod 5g stuff (it's Vista, foobar 1.0, latest audioscrobbler and dop plugins - updated yesterday to ensure it's recent).
The problem is I am not seeing any plays scrobbled nor even sent to last.fm.
Before you sync, check if the "Play Counts" file is present at \iPod_Control\iTunes on the device. It should be removed after syncing.

If it is, and support is definitely enabled in foo_audioscrobbler: make a backup of iPod_Control\iTunes with the Play Counts file and e-mail it to the address on my website.

Request: A function simply to collect playcounts from the ipod, as opposed to rewriting the database. This takes a long time for my ipod and often makes foobar temporarily freeze.
It would do the same thing!

You're going to have to provide some more info and do a bit of work to work out what is causing your problem, e.g. check a clean portable fb2k install, check the iPod classic's SMART data (see new wiki FAQ), log using Process Monitor, explain what part takes a long time, list of components installed etc.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2010-02-16 23:22:51
You're going to have to provide some more info and do a bit of work to work out what is causing your problem, e.g. check a clean portable fb2k install, check the iPod classic's SMART data (see new wiki FAQ), log using Process Monitor, explain what part takes a long time, list of components installed etc.


Checked the SMART data:

Retracts: 64
Reallocs: 1
Pending Sectors: 0


How would I log using a process monitor?




The part that takes long/hangs is during the actual rewriting process (I believe it's the last step after loading data)




Components:

Code: [Select]
Core (2010-01-09 06:47:00)
    foobar2000 core 1.0
foo_abx.dll (2008-05-24 10:23:50)
    ABX Comparator 1.3.3
foo_ac3.dll (2008-06-02 11:24:00)
    AC3 decoder 0.9.1
foo_AdvancedControls.dll (2009-11-20 13:28:34)
    FooBar2000 Advanced Controls 0.5.12.6
foo_audioscrobbler.dll (2007-12-07 11:34:34)
    Audioscrobbler 1.3.15
foo_cdda.dll (2010-01-09 06:44:42)
    CD Audio Decoder 3.0
foo_converter.dll (2010-01-09 06:44:32)
    Converter 1.4
foo_dockable_panels.dll (2007-03-28 09:19:00)
    Dockable Panels 1.0.7b [Mar 28 2007 - 09:18:48]
foo_dop.dll (2009-12-27 10:06:53)
    iPod manager 0.6.6.4
foo_dsp_continuator.dll (2008-03-02 22:41:28)
    Continuator 0.6.1
foo_dsp_crossfader.dll (2008-07-25 03:59:28)
    Gapless Crossfader 0.3.4.1 (Intel SSE)
foo_dsp_silence.dll (2009-08-10 01:32:54)
    Post-track silence 0.0.3
foo_dsp_std.dll (2010-01-09 06:44:48)
    Standard DSP Array 1.0
foo_facets.dll (2008-02-26 01:11:07)
    Facets 2008-02-25
foo_filedate.dll (2007-09-19 06:07:14)
    File date 1.0.4
foo_fileops.dll (2010-01-09 06:43:32)
    File Operations 2.1.2
foo_freedb2.dll (2010-01-09 06:43:34)
    freedb Tagger 0.6.2
foo_input_monkey.dll (2009-05-01 14:40:52)
    Monkey's Audio Decoder 2.1.4
foo_input_std.dll (2010-01-09 06:44:24)
    Standard Input Array 1.0
foo_jesus.dll (2010-01-03 13:41:18)
    Autosave & Autobackup 8
foo_masstag.dll (2006-10-14 05:09:20)
    Masstagger 1.6
foo_mouse_gesture.dll (2008-11-03 14:50:22)
    mouse gesture host 0.4.1
foo_musicbrainz.dll (2009-04-10 15:27:28)
    MusicBrainz Tagger 0.2
foo_navigator.dll (2007-08-04 06:36:46)
    Navigator 0.63
foo_new_file_stamper_mod (2).dll (2008-12-20 19:05:19)
    New file stamper 1.0.0 [Dec 21 2008 - 01:05:11]
foo_playlist_attributes.dll (2009-10-07 16:57:51)
    Playlist Attributes 0.2.0 [Oct  7 2009 - 23:57:35]
foo_prettypop.dll (2009-12-05 22:31:08)
    Pretty Popup 1.2.5
foo_preview.dll (2008-12-22 15:41:11)
    Preview 1.4
foo_random_pools.dll (2009-12-27 12:22:56)
    Random Pools 0.0.1 [Dec 27 2009 - 18:22:23]
foo_rgscan.dll (2010-01-09 06:44:24)
    ReplayGain Scanner 2.0.9
foo_run.dll (2009-06-07 15:15:18)
    Run services 0.3.7
foo_scheduler.dll (2007-01-09 21:33:46)
    Scheduler 3.53
foo_scrobblecharts.dll (2007-03-31 15:36:00)
    Last.fm Chart Player 0.2.3
foo_softplaylists.dll (2010-01-13 05:11:42)
    Soft Playlists 2009-12-30.2
foo_stopaftercuralbum.dll (2009-06-01 08:50:42)
    foo_stopaftercuralbum 0.2
foo_textdisplay.dll (2008-07-08 18:45:26)
    Text Display UI Element 1.0 RC 3
foo_texttools.dll (2009-12-23 21:00:22)
    Text Tools 1.0.4
foo_ui_columns.dll (2010-01-09 09:40:28)
    Columns UI 0.3.8.3
foo_ui_std.dll (2010-01-09 06:44:52)
    Default User Interface 0.9.5
foo_uie_biography.dll (2010-01-17 01:02:40)
    Biography View 0.4.0.0
foo_uie_trackinfo_mod.dll (2007-01-05 13:36:20)
    Track info panel mod 0.8.0 beta [Jan  5 2007 - 13:36:12]
foo_uie_wsh_panel_mod.dll (2010-01-21 09:56:29)
    WSH Panel Mod 1.3.0
foo_unpack.dll (2010-01-09 06:43:20)
    RAR reader 1.3
    ZIP/GZIP reader 1.0
foo_vis_shpeck-beta.dll (2008-04-23 23:35:17)
    Shpeck - Winamp vis plugins wrapper 0.2.4 beta 2
foo_wlm.dll (2009-09-21 03:54:12)
    Windows Live Messenger Notifier 1.1.1



Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-16 23:46:12


Wow that's a lot of components? I wonder if that has something to do with it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-02-16 23:58:44
The part that takes long/hangs is during the actual rewriting process (I believe it's the last step after loading data)
What is foobar2000.exe CPU usage like during this time?

Components:
Did you try a new portable install then?

Also what OS and CPU is this? How many tracks are in your iPod library?

How would I log using a process monitor?
Might not be useful if it isn't I/O related, let's wait until the other questions are answered.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2010-02-17 00:16:07
CPU usage during database rewrite gets as high as 420,000 K


Clean install used the same high amount of CPU BUT it did seem to go quite faster.

Specs

Windows XP
1 gb ram
AMD Turion 64 MT-40
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lojom on 2010-02-17 05:42:36
Experiencing issues when using itunes to play files directly from my ipod touch 3g. When itunes plays the files stored on the itouch, it reads the tags embedded in the files and updates the itouch database, sometimes removing the coverart and re-mapped meta data.

Full details:

At home, I use foo_dop to convert my flac files to .m4a AAC files and transfer them to my ipod touch. For all albums, foo_dop pulls the folder.jpg's from my HD and adds them to the itouch database for the corresponding albums (none of my coverart is embedded into the tags). For complilation/multiple artist albums, foo_dop remaps the Artist (to %album artist%) and Title (to %track artist% - %title%) Metadata for me. When I use my ipod touch, everything is perfect - Artists and Titles show up as I want them to for normal albums and compilation/multi-artist albums. All albums also show up with the correct coverart.

However, at work I use a Macbook Pro laptop with Itunes installed. Sometimes I plug my itouch into the laptop and have Itunes play music files directly from my itouch. I do this because my laptop feeds a separate dac and amp to drive some audio technica cans.

When I plug the itouch into my laptop, Itunes pulls all the metadata stored in the itouch database and reports the remapped Artist and Title metadata correctly. When Itunes actually plays the files from the itouch, it proceeds to read the tag info embedded directly in the .m4a files. Therefore, the re-mapped Artist/Title metadata revert back to what is actually in the tags. The itouch then updates its database with the embedded tag info Itunes just pulled and removes the coverart associated with the album. Because of this, the Artist and Title metadata remappings and coverart are no longer available on the itouch.

Mind you that this error doesn't occur 100% of the time, but it definitely occurs enough to warrant a fix.

I think the best solution would be for foo_dop to also update the embedded file tags with the remapped fields and coverart when transferring music to an ipod. Are there plans for this on the horizon?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-02-17 08:44:26
CPU usage during database rewrite gets as high as 420,000 K
Doesn't sound like CPU usage....

But is that just for foobar2000? It is quite high then. How many tracks are on your iPod then? Maybe it is something paging file related.

Can you download Process Explorer, open foobar2000.exe properties, and go to the Performance Graph page. Just monitor what it says for private bytes whilst you do a rewrite, and tell me what it is before, during and after the rewrite.

Can you also check how large your iTunesDB is, it is at iPod_Control\iTunes on the device. If it is something like >100MB, can you send me a backup to the e-mail on my website.

Clean install used the same high amount of CPU BUT it did seem to go quite faster.
But how long exactly?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2010-02-17 09:59:47
But is that just for foobar2000?


Yessir

It is quite high then. How many tracks are on your iPod then? Maybe it is something paging file related.


21290

Can you download Process Explorer, open foobar2000.exe properties, and go to the Performance Graph page. Just monitor what it says for private bytes whilst you do a rewrite, and tell me what it is before, during and after the rewrite.


Private bytes
Before: 230,000 K
Checking for File Changes: 375,000 K
Writing Ipod Main database:  680,000 K


Can you also check how large your iTunesDB is, it is at iPod_Control\iTunes on the device. If it is something like >100MB, can you send me a backup to the e-mail on my website.


43,751 KB

backup sent.


Clean install used the same high amount of CPU BUT it did seem to go quite faster.
But how long exactly?


Well it took less than +4 minutes, lol (which the rewrite has been known to take for me before).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Borszczuk on 2010-02-17 22:18:13
I got problems scrobbling ipod 5g stuff (it's Vista, foobar 1.0, latest audioscrobbler and dop plugins - updated yesterday to ensure it's recent).
The problem is I am not seeing any plays scrobbled nor even sent to last.fm.
Before you sync, check if the "Play Counts" file is present at \iPod_Control\iTunes on the device. It should be removed after syncing.

Play Counts file existed and was removed when sync was done.

Sync failed (in Console) with "duplicate column..." message as usual.

If it is, and support is definitely enabled in foo_audioscrobbler: make a backup of iPod_Control\iTunes with the Play Counts file and e-mail it to the address on my website.

foo_audioscrobbler is set to scrobble from ipod. I backed up whole iTunes folder (except for music files) before the sync and after the sync was done and PM'ed you full rapidshare link to the archive.

Regards
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shiphtfour on 2010-02-18 09:06:33
Remapping genre with "$meta(genre,0)" is not writing only the first genre; i.e. "Rock; Pop" will show up as "Rock, Pop" instead of "Rock". Any ideas on how I can fix this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Porthos59 on 2010-02-18 21:08:16
Request/Howto send converted output through a masstagger script

When the iPod manager convert source to mpa I would like each title to be changed to:
$if(%discnumber%,%discnumber%.%tracknumber%.%title%,%tracknumber%.%title%)
and without effecting the original files (flac)

Thanks

Edit:
Ok I think I've answered my own question
Tools | iPod Manager | Database | Metadata | Title Mapping
Just put the above code in there and its seems to work
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-02-18 23:48:39
As we discovered the problem was the available physical memory running out; my fault for writing hashing code etc. that likes to copy lots of memory around  With a low amount of RAM, and a quite large database, it became a problem here.

Such code has been rewritten in 0.6.6.6 into something saner.

Remapping genre with "$meta(genre,0)" is not writing only the first genre; i.e. "Rock; Pop" will show up as "Rock, Pop" instead of "Rock". Any ideas on how I can fix this?
Works here. If the tracks are already on the device, you'll need to use 'Update metadata' (see help button on the Prefs page). Otherwise double check the output in a playlist view column or similar.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Synthetic Soul on 2010-02-19 09:54:00
Any tips on how to scrobble, when I don't normally sync my iPod with a playlist?

I finally got it to scrobble yesterday by beginning the sync process and then choosing no playlists.  Seemed a bit messy, and I wondered if I was missing an option that would automatically pull the info from the iPod.

I tend to just use "Send to iPod" to get music on there.

Perhaps I'm asking in the wrong place, and it is actually foo_audioscrobbler that is hooking in?  Thinking about the dialogues, this may be the case.

Edit:  OK, according to a post in the foo_audioscrobbler thread (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=44320&st=775&p=687651&hl=foo_dop&#entry687651) you have to Sync  or Rewrite the database.  I'd rather a dedicated menu item or something.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: eradumvelhinho on 2010-02-19 11:32:33
Edit:  OK, according to a post in the foo_audioscrobbler thread (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=44320&st=775&p=687651&hl=foo_dop&#entry687651) you have to Sync  or Rewrite the database.  I'd rather a dedicated menu item or something.


I never sync my iPod but I do scrobble it. Plug iPod, command "rewrite database", unplug iPod. I don´t see the point for a dedicated menu when you already have an option for that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Synthetic Soul on 2010-02-19 15:23:07
And I don't see the point in rewriting the database when I don't need to...

Guess that makes us different.

Perhaps a database rewrite is truly required, and I'd be happy with that, but it just sounds to me like overkill, to read some data.  My understanding may be seriously wrong.

Edit: I should point out that I'm not going to cry over it.  The post in the audioscrobbler thread has basically answered my question, I just thought I may as well post my reaction to it, and then later to eradumvelhinho's opinion on my personal opinion.  If I have to rewrite the database: So. Be. It.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2010-02-19 15:37:55
Perhaps a database rewrite is truly required, and I'd be happy with that, but it just sounds to me like overkill, to read some data.  My understanding may be seriously wrong.

I'm pretty sure foo_dop has to remove any playback information that's stored on the iPod while syncing - otherwise the same tracks would get scrobbled again and again and again...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Synthetic Soul on 2010-02-19 16:42:57
From what I have read at the top of this page, there is a "Play Counts" file, that is deleted after synchronisation.  Not sure if this is related to the whole track database.

Again, my understanding is, no doubt, seriously flawed.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ciell on 2010-02-19 22:49:29
Hi everybody

I am currently a new user to Foobar2000 and its iPod manager. I've managed to view the music on my iPod nano 5th so far (iPod view). However, when I try to sync my Default playlist and my iPod view, it gives me an error saying "Failed to query device properties. Write operations are disabled."

Since syncing works fine in iTunes, I'm assuming this is a problem with Foobar2000?

Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-02-19 23:26:10
Windows XP limited user maybe?

It will need admin rights on XP.

(Doesn't apply to Windows Vista and newer; iTunes uses a service).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ciell on 2010-02-20 02:18:29
I run Windows 7 and I've tried running it as Admin :/
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-02-20 10:43:11
Then it's probably a driver issue, try uninstalling Apple Mobile Device Support and reinstalling it (extract from iTunes installer). That should reinstall the driver.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Umbrello on 2010-02-20 15:09:49
Hello. I just recently made the switch to Foobar2000. Over the past several days I have been slowly rebuilding my music library thanks to iTunes screwing me over for the last time. I was told that Foobar would have no issue syncing with an iPod or iPhone device as long as I had downloaded and installed the appropriate components, which I have. Now I plugged in my iPhone and am trying to sync my new music library but Foobar is saying there is: "No iPod found". Am I doing something wrong? Please help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fraganator on 2010-02-20 16:02:23
Did you check "Enable mobile devices support" in the iPod Manager preferences? If you get stuck, have a read of the documentation (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start), especially the FAQ.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Umbrello on 2010-02-20 16:14:40
wow, how could i have overlooked that. thank you!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Umbrello on 2010-02-20 17:28:30
doesnt look like i can edit my post. i was able to sync the music to my iphone however everything is messed up on the iphone. there are artists with no songs, everything is in disarray. some artists dont have all the albums. whats going on?

nvm: had to rewrite database
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-20 17:35:48
doesnt look like i can edit my post. i was able to sync the music to my iphone however everything is messed up on the iphone. there are artists with no songs, everything is in disarray. some artists dont have all the albums. whats going on?

nvm: had to rewrite database


Load Library command, select all tracks right-click ipod>update metadata should fix it up.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ciell on 2010-02-20 19:09:06
Then it's probably a driver issue, try uninstalling Apple Mobile Device Support and reinstalling it (extract from iTunes installer). That should reinstall the driver.


Sorry for being such a noob but do I just have to reinstall iTunes? I don't know how to extract *.exe files.

edit: I managed to install the Device Support but I keep getting the same error >_<
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-02-20 19:18:27
doesnt look like i can edit my post. i was able to sync the music to my iphone however everything is messed up on the iphone. there are artists with no songs, everything is in disarray. some artists dont have all the albums. whats going on?

nvm: had to rewrite database
Hi,

If that happens again, have a look in Shift + File/iPod/Syslog viewer. Should be some indication there of what went wrong (the device does some processing on its side, such as sorting, and something probably went wrong there).

edit: I managed to install the Device Support but I keep getting the same error >_<
OK, try Shift + File/iPod/Raw properties and PM me the output.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Umbrello on 2010-02-20 20:28:42
ok, not too happy right now with foobar. any reason why foobar would just all of a sudden not open. i mean it opens, but nothing is displayed and it says "foobar is not responding".. can i uninstall and reinstall without my music and settings?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-02-20 20:53:35
edit: I managed to install the Device Support but I keep getting the same error >_<
OK, try Shift + File/iPod/Raw properties and PM me the output.

OK: basically the property list had this in it:
Code: [Select]
<data>Pedometer</data>

data tags were supposed to have Base64 encoded data in it, well so say the comments here (http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd), but never mind..

Not sure if that element is something new in your firmware version, or just something to do with your device.

New version 0.6.6.7 should workaround this anyway.

Thanks for the report.

ok, not too happy right now with foobar. any reason why foobar would just all of a sudden not open. i mean it opens, but nothing is displayed and it says "foobar is not responding"..
Well, you can download ProcDump (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/dd996900.aspx), run "procdump -h foobar2000.exe hungwindow.dmp" from a command prompt when fb2k is frozen, and send the hungwindow.dmp file created to me and I'll take a look for you..

Alternatively, check the online troubleshooter, or try removing third party components one at a time. As far as this component goes, the Apple libraries used for iPhone/iPod touch support can do odd things..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Umbrello on 2010-02-20 21:01:06
doesnt work, cmd prompt says: 'procdump' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-02-20 21:08:04
Type the full path to it then, e.g.
Code: [Select]
"d:\my downloads\procdump" -h foobar2000.exe "d:\my downloads\hungwindow.dmp"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Umbrello on 2010-02-20 21:16:28
oh wow. i was just in the process of uploading the file for you when foobar opened up and said something about some issues and if i would like to run the online troubleshooter. here's what it said:

http://help.foobar2000.org/troubleshooter/...c65fc0749e7df80 (http://help.foobar2000.org/troubleshooter/components/59753d19b8b4ac3b+ba56790d45b7e139+4bbab25d1c0eb100+1c65fc0749e7df80)

and the file: ---link removed by request---
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-02-20 21:54:40
Looks like something is trying to do file I/O in the main thread - at a guess something artwork related, but I can't quite see what component.

It is trying to read something from your iPhone/iPod touch, and foo_dop waits a few seconds for the Apple Mobile Device Support to initialise. But it's quite early on so it hasn't even started initialisation from the looks of it, and this will be preventing it from doing so.

If you wait long enough it should load, but it may well be doing repeated I/O requests...

Basically whatever is doing the file I/O in the main thread is the main problem (and I'd check anything you have that is displaying artwork), but I should be able to do something on my side as well so it doesn't bother waiting those few seconds in this case.

P.S. I would remove the dmp file or the link to it now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-20 22:29:15
Looks like something is trying to do file I/O in the main thread - at a guess something artwork related, but I can't quite see what component.

It is trying to read something from your iPhone/iPod touch, and foo_dop waits a few seconds for the Apple Mobile Device Support to initialise. But it's quite early on so it hasn't even started initialisation from the looks of it, and this will be preventing it from doing so.

If you wait long enough it should load, but it may well be doing repeated I/O requests...

Basically whatever is doing the file I/O in the main thread is the main problem (and I'd check anything you have that is displaying artwork), but I should be able to do something on my side as well so it doesn't bother waiting those few seconds in this case.

P.S. I would remove the dmp file or the link to it now.


I just loaded the newest version and it doesn't dectect my iPhone. Went back to 0.6.6.5 and it is fine.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Umbrello on 2010-02-20 22:34:29
update, i dont know how to remove that file from filedropper, additionally i cant edit posts.

either way, foobar is running smoothly, at least for now. i went ahead and updated the four components that were causing conflicts.

now onto something else entirely. no songs are playing. i click on one song and it opens a text box and cycles through every single song, nonstop. its weird.

Code: [Select]
Unable to open item for playback (Device not available):
"applemobiledevice://0936fa24e07ad6befa367bb3d8304af047dd4e74:/iTunes_Control/Music/F80/06 Lip.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Device not available):
"applemobiledevice://0936fa24e07ad6befa367bb3d8304af047dd4e74:/iTunes_Control/Music/F79/07 Los.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Device not available):
"applemobiledevice://0936fa24e07ad6befa367bb3d8304af047dd4e74:/iTunes_Control/Music/F78/08 Ros.mp3"


x100000

any ideas whats causing this now?

my guess is that its trying to grab the music from my mobile device as opposed to the hard drive.. but why???
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-02-20 23:03:44
I just loaded the newest version and it doesn't dectect my iPhone. Went back to 0.6.6.5 and it is fine.
Works here - what did the console say?

my guess is that its trying to grab the music from my mobile device as opposed to the hard drive.. but why???
You must have loaded the iPod library to a playlist, so change back to your other playlist (or create a new one etc.).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-20 23:05:23
what did the console say?


Didn't say anything just acted like phone was not there. I will try again.

OK it worked fine then. I dunno. I crazy I guess.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Umbrello on 2010-02-20 23:14:22
I just loaded the newest version and it doesn't dectect my iPhone. Went back to 0.6.6.5 and it is fine.
Works here - what did the console say?

my guess is that its trying to grab the music from my mobile device as opposed to the hard drive.. but why???
You must have loaded the iPod library to a playlist, so change back to your other playlist (or create a new one etc.).

how do i go back to my other playlist?

nevermind, i figured it out...

for those wondering: go to view->playlist manager->activate the playlist you want
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: nooby_god on 2010-02-22 14:13:23
I'm getting a problem where the artists name appears three times on the ipod. Under each listing of that artist they all have the same albums and tracks. It seems that foo_dop just lists the artist three times instead of one. This didn't happen to me before when I was using winamp or iTunes to sync my ipod. What can I do to fix it ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-22 14:17:07
I'm getting a problem where the artists name appears three times on the ipod. Under each listing of that artist they all have the same albums and tracks. It seems that foo_dop just lists the artist three times instead of one. This didn't happen to me before when I was using winamp or iTunes to sync my ipod. What can I do to fix it ?


Rewrite database command or load library>select all tracks>update metadata.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: medsas on 2010-02-23 07:31:21
Is it me or does this plugin considerably slows down foobar2k's start up and shutdown?

I don't even have my iPod plugged in, and it takes 6-7 seconds before foobar2k responds when starting up, and about the same time when it closes.

I think I'll disable the plugin and use it only when I need to sync...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-23 14:14:31
Is it me or does this plugin considerably slows down foobar2k's start up and shutdown?


I think it may be you. LOL, no really you can check this yourself. Look at the console right after you startup. There will be a startup time listed in seconds. My startup time was 1.921517 with foo_dop. Remove the foo_dop.dll or rename it and startup again looking at the time. Mine was 1.914481 without foo_dop. As far as shutdown goes I would say 2.5 or 3 seconds from the time I click close button till it's gone.

The console should list out different items as they initialize. Look there and see what is taking so long. You may have an autoplaylist that is very complex or something like that causing it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: nooby_god on 2010-02-24 05:57:04
I'm getting a problem where the artists name appears three times on the ipod. Under each listing of that artist they all have the same albums and tracks. It seems that foo_dop just lists the artist three times instead of one. This didn't happen to me before when I was using winamp or iTunes to sync my ipod. What can I do to fix it ?


Rewrite database command or load library>select all tracks>update metadata.

None of these fixed the problem. Using the same files it syncs normally with winamp. What else can I do ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-02-24 07:50:00
Do your files have sort fields? For example, if three files by the same artist have three different artist sort fields, it may create problems.

Did you send all those files using foo_dop?

Otherwise e-mail a backup of your iPod_Control\iTunes folder to the e-mail address on my website, also stating what model you have.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2010-02-24 12:43:23
None of these fixed the problem. Using the same files it syncs normally with winamp. What else can I do ?

You might want to check if you have trailing space, or different capitalization in the artist names. I have had the problem in the past where "Ac/DC" and "AC/DC" would not sync to the same artist name.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: nooby_god on 2010-02-24 14:48:36
Do your files have sort fields? For example, if three files by the same artist have three different artist sort fields, it may create problems.

Did you send all those files using foo_dop?

Otherwise e-mail a backup of your iPod_Control\iTunes folder to the e-mail address on my website, also stating what model you have.

How do I check for artist sort fields ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fractal_Mortality on 2010-02-24 18:26:05
Quick question, how would I get a track name display like this BUT ONLY for albums that have multiple discs:

1.01 - First Track on First Album


I've tried this, but it didn't work

[%discnumber%.]%tracknumber% - %title%
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: nooby_god on 2010-02-25 05:30:45
Is it possible to make foo_dop put Marvin Gaye under M and not G?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-02-25 08:47:50
Quick question, how would I get a track name display like this BUT ONLY for albums that have multiple discs:

1.01 - First Track on First Album


I've tried this, but it didn't work

[%discnumber%.]%tracknumber% - %title%
Looks OK to me (if in doubt, add to a column in your playlist view or similar). Don't forget 'Update metadata' for tracks already on the device.

Is it possible to make foo_dop put Marvin Gaye under M and not G?
Hi,

This is it, I've had a look and the files seem to be littered with sort fields, that's also why it is coming under G.

If you don't want them, go into the source files' properties and remove any ARTISTSORTORDER, COMPOSERSORTORDER, TITLESORTORDER, ALBUMARTISTSORTORDER, ALBUMSORTORDER fields, and then resync.

I think I will also disable support for them out-of-the-box in the next version.

Can you tell me a couple of artists that you were seeing duplicated though? Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: nooby_god on 2010-02-25 14:17:49
Quick question, how would I get a track name display like this BUT ONLY for albums that have multiple discs:

1.01 - First Track on First Album


I've tried this, but it didn't work

[%discnumber%.]%tracknumber% - %title%
Looks OK to me (if in doubt, add to a column in your playlist view or similar). Don't forget 'Update metadata' for tracks already on the device.

Is it possible to make foo_dop put Marvin Gaye under M and not G?
Hi,

This is it, I've had a look and the files seem to be littered with sort fields, that's also why it is coming under G.

If you don't want them, go into the source files' properties and remove any ARTISTSORTORDER, COMPOSERSORTORDER, TITLESORTORDER, ALBUMARTISTSORTORDER, ALBUMSORTORDER fields, and then resync.

I think I will also disable support for them out-of-the-box in the next version.

Can you tell me a couple of artists that you were seeing duplicated though? Thanks.


Bloc Party, Franz Ferdinand, Radiohead. However, I have just "restored" my ipod using iTunes and re added all my files and it seems the duplication has gone away. It also downloaded new firmware for my ipod so perhaps that fixed the problem. Is there to no way to configre foo_dop to do a custom sort based on the data of the sort fields?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BadJustin on 2010-02-25 15:13:58
Hi all, unrelated post to the above replies. I'm having trouble removing files already on my iPod (5g 30gb). I can remove playlists on it however under "Justin's iPod" there are some and I can;t for the life of me figure out how to basically wipe my iPod and start fresh. From what I read of the 2k+ replies on this thread  that I need to keep iTunes on my machine in order to do a restore, but do I also need to in order to get all pre-existing music off? Sorry for redundancy, I'm sure this has been addressed elsewhere. Thanks in advance and THANK YOU for this plug in GREAT stuff. -J
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-25 16:47:31
I'm having trouble removing files already on my iPod (5g 30gb)


File>ipod>load library>select all songs>right-click,ipod and remove from ipod. Then I would select a playlist that you wanted to sync to the ipod and use synchronize with that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BadJustin on 2010-02-25 17:39:56
I'm having trouble removing files already on my iPod (5g 30gb)


File>ipod>load library>select all songs>right-click,ipod and remove from ipod. Then I would select a playlist that you wanted to sync to the ipod and use synchronize with that.



awesome , thx man!! 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: IvoP123 on 2010-02-26 12:53:47
This is a fantastic add on! I use foobar for 5 days and it is already absolutely the best audio player ever!
This add on is way better and easier to use than itunes. Fantastic job musicmusic
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ico4498 on 2010-02-26 15:49:34
Thank you for the ipod manager, it's a great component!

"Failed to query device properties. Write operations are disabled."

iPod 3G running with vista, I tried the shift+file>ipod>raw properties but got another error message, "Error sending command. This is normal for older iPod models." everything was fine until i updated to the latest foo_dop & foo_input_alac. Itunes version 9.03.15.

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best regards ... & help!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-02-26 17:25:52
Is there to no way to configre foo_dop to do a custom sort based on the data of the sort fields?
You have sort field mappings in preferences now, I don't think the 5.5G will like anything other than sort artists though.

This is a fantastic add on! I use foobar for 5 days and it is already absolutely the best audio player ever!
This add on is way better and easier to use than itunes. Fantastic job musicmusic
Thanks

Thank you for the ipod manager, it's a great component!

"Failed to query device properties. Write operations are disabled."

iPod 3G running with vista, I tried the shift+file>ipod>raw properties but got another error message, "Error sending command. This is normal for older iPod models." everything was fine until i updated to the latest foo_dop & foo_input_alac. Itunes version 9.03.15.
Hi,

I think I may have broken it. Is that really a 3G i.e. this one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ipod_backlight_transparent.png)? Is it connected by firewire or USB?

(0.6.6.3 should still work for now)

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ico4498 on 2010-02-27 02:05:33
I think I may have broken it. Is that really a 3G i.e. this one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ipod_backlight_transparent.png)? Is it connected by firewire or USB?

(0.6.6.3 should still work for now)

Thanks


yes it's a 3G connected by firewire. and thanks 0.6.6.3 still works!

regards
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ico4498 on 2010-02-27 02:13:30
oh, would a usb connection make a difference?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: nitroshot on 2010-02-27 04:53:24
Hey musicmusic,

I'm working on adding coverflow/artwork support to iPod touches and iPhones using C#, but I'm having problems finding any information on the internet on how iTunes stores this information or how to duplicate the same functionality.
Do you have any suggestion on where I should start or can you direct me to any resources/links that you may have used to accomplish that in your foo_dop plugin?

Feel free to email or pm

Thanks for your time!
Mike
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Northpack on 2010-02-28 09:35:20
Quote
When the device properties cannot be retrieved (i.e. XP non-admin) write operations are now disabled

Why that? It worked fine for me before... now I have to run foobar in admin mode and that's quite a shame because I'm used to drag and drop stuff from the Windows Explorer into my playlist, which doesn't work if the application in run by another user
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: g33z3r on 2010-02-28 20:52:42
I am trying to move from WinAmp to foobar2000.

But, I can't figure out how to move songs from my hard drive to the iPod Classic. WinAmp supported simple drag & drop; no need for managing playlists and syncing. I'm not getting this plugin at all. And if I have to install iTunes, doesn't that just negate the need for the plugin?

Is the only documentation the FAQ? Really?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-02-28 21:10:39


Plug in iPod then right-click file or files>ipod>send to ipod. As far as documentation musicmusics (author) site has documentation on it (wiki).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-02-28 23:08:37
oh, would a usb connection make a difference?
Yes, USB should work, but firewire should be fixed for next version. Thanks for the report.

Why that? It worked fine for me before...
Well no it didn't work, that was the point. Artwork wouldn't have worked, and it didn't work at all on some newer models.

If you have an old model that doesn't support artwork, then let me know what it is. Otherwise upgrade to a newer OS is all I can say..

Is the only documentation the FAQ? Really?
Nope, there's 113 pages of forum posts as well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: g33z3r on 2010-03-01 00:00:25


Plug in iPod then right-click file or files>ipod>send to ipod. As far as documentation musicmusics (author) site has documentation on it (wiki).


Thanks.

The "wiki" is largely just the FAQ I mentioned. I was looking for something more like traditional software documentation.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: g33z3r on 2010-03-02 00:43:01
In Explorer, I did the right-click/send to iPod thing. The files do transfer to the iPod, but not in any way that they can be played or even found through menu navigation.

If the clowns that made WinAmp can do drag and drop, why not this, too?

I think I made a mistake switching to foobar2000. I thought it had better iPod support than this.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-03-02 01:18:11


You misunderstand, right-click files in foobar. If Winamp works then use it otherwise, stop downing this component.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lojom on 2010-03-03 16:55:24
Has anyone got dbpoweramp's command line encoder (coreconverter.exe) working?

I've tried the following simple parameters:

Quote
Encoder: C:\Program Files (x86)\Illustrate\dBpoweramp\CoreConverter.exe
Parameters: -infile=%s -outfile=%d -convert_to="m4a Nero (AAC)" -q .95
Extension: m4a

I always receive a window pop-up error saying GetStdHandle and then a message saying it failed to convert. The error has also been reported at dbpoweramp forums:

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=19359 (http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=19359)

Note that i'm able to get coreconverter working with foobar's normal conversion utility and J River Media Center.

Reason I'd like to use coreconverter is that it has more advanced abilities using additional command line parameters.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-03 17:19:58
There's no %s, you need to use stdin.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lojom on 2010-03-03 17:40:30
There's no %s, you need to use stdin.

I'm pretty new to this so I think I'm missing something. Does that mean changing the parameters to:

-infile=- -outfile=%d -convert_to="m4a Nero (AAC)" -q .95

I've also tried:

-infile=- -outfile=%d -convert_to="m4a Nero (AAC)" -q .95 -sourcefreq="44100" -sourcechannels="2" -sourcebits="16" -ignorelength

Neither of the above works. I'm using the following for reference:

http://www.dbpoweramp.com/developer-cli-encoder.htm (http://www.dbpoweramp.com/developer-cli-encoder.htm)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-03 18:59:44
Doesn't sound like it will work, it says in your link:
Quote
When using '-' for input filename the audio must be supplied 'raw' (no headers) to the stdin pipe
It will have a header, so there goes that.

What are you ultimately trying to do using coreconverter?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lojom on 2010-03-04 08:30:05
Doesn't sound like it will work, it says in your link:
Quote
When using '-' for input filename the audio must be supplied 'raw' (no headers) to the stdin pipe
It will have a header, so there goes that.

What are you ultimately trying to do using coreconverter?

I'm trying to use coreconverter to embed a folder.jpg into each m4a file. coreconverter can do this by adding the following commandline parameter.

-dspeffect1="ID Tag Processing= -importart={qt}folder.jpg{qt}"

I'd like to do this because I often experience disappearing album art on songs added to my itouch by foo_dop. When interacting with my itouch via itunes (on a macbook), itunes reads the file tags and since it doesn't find embedded artwork, it seems to remove the artwork in the itouch database as well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rekees on 2010-03-04 15:42:39
Hey musicmusic, i've come across a problem. In manage contents i have a playlist called Podcasts and everytime i delete it, the playlist keeps getting created again and it's really annoying as the podcasts i am trying to put in is set as Podcasts (1)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-04 20:28:30
I'm trying to use coreconverter to embed a folder.jpg into each m4a file. coreconverter can do this by adding the following commandline parameter.

-dspeffect1="ID Tag Processing= -importart={qt}folder.jpg{qt}"
The encoder doesn't have any knowledge of where the source file is, so it won't pick up folder.jpg like that anyway. I didn't seem to have any problem stringing two commands together using cmd /c though, but with the other problem it won't help. I'll think about making some changes, then it should be possible to use neroaacenc and neroaactag together.

Hey musicmusic, i've come across a problem. In manage contents i have a playlist called Podcasts and everytime i delete it, the playlist keeps getting created again and it's really annoying as the podcasts i am trying to put in is set as Podcasts (1)
So you are trying to create/send a playlist named "Podcasts" yourself? I will make some changes there if that's the case.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rekees on 2010-03-06 11:00:53
Hey musicmusic, i've come across a problem. In manage contents i have a playlist called Podcasts and everytime i delete it, the playlist keeps getting created again and it's really annoying as the podcasts i am trying to put in is set as Podcasts (1)
So you are trying to create/send a playlist named "Podcasts" yourself? I will make some changes there if that's the case.


Well i have a three different playlists, iPod Playlist, Loved Tracks and Podcasts which i sync to the iPod. I'm not sure what's going on but there's a playlist on the Manage Contents panel called Podcast and it's undeletable and because of that, when my podcast playlist get's synced, it is automatically renamed to Podcasts (1) if you understand that
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rekees on 2010-03-06 13:43:41
Also i've encountered another bug. Sometimes the iPod just disconnects and ruins all of my other USB drives which includes my USB wireless thingo and the only way to get it to reconnect is to restart my computer.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-06 17:22:38
Well i have a three different playlists, iPod Playlist, Loved Tracks and Podcasts which i sync to the iPod. I'm not sure what's going on but there's a playlist on the Manage Contents panel called Podcast and it's undeletable and because of that, when my podcast playlist get's synced, it is automatically renamed to Podcasts (1) if you understand that
Should be OK in 0.6.6.8, just released.

Also i've encountered another bug. Sometimes the iPod just disconnects and ruins all of my other USB drives which includes my USB wireless thingo and the only way to get it to reconnect is to restart my computer.
Can't be the component, sounds like something USB controller related. Make sure your BIOS (if it is an on-board controller) and OS are up-to-date.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rekees on 2010-03-07 12:09:13
0.6.6.8 works like a treat  and ill check my usb drivers  thanks alot musicmusic
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mstram24 on 2010-03-07 21:11:59
little bug that i found; when theres a song's file name written with much space in between characters, the song wont play at all but i dont get error messages and it loads fine in the ipod, so its much harder to detect.

for instance, a song with a file name like  Madonna -              Lucky star              dz                zx.mp3 
might cause some problems and i suspect songs with very long filenames to do so also.    i had to rename the actual file to madonna - lucky star.mp3 for it to be playable.
its a bit annoying, because both foo_dop and the ipod won't report it.  when the non-working song is in a playlist, it will just skip without any notice, so that you have to be really careful to notice it. 

plz fix this minor annoyance    , greatest plugin ever already.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-07 21:20:10
It should be shortened automatically. Can you check the filename on the device? (Do File/iPod/Load library, then check the Properties of the problematic file). Post the full path. Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mstram24 on 2010-03-07 21:50:21
It should be shortened automatically. Can you check the filename on the device? (Do File/iPod/Load library, then check the Properties of the problematic file). Post the full path. Thanks.



i just checked my previous message and apparently hydrogen audio's forums modified (erased) the space that i intended to show in my madonna song example
but basically it was a song with about 2 inches or more of blank space somewhere in its file name


i renamed it about 2 weeks ago so i can't retrieve the exact filepath in your plugin but i'll be sure to post it here if the problem comes up again although,  like i said, its very hard to detect


thanks for the amazing support and thanks again for being british
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lojom on 2010-03-07 22:00:46
I'm trying to use coreconverter to embed a folder.jpg into each m4a file. coreconverter can do this by adding the following commandline parameter.

-dspeffect1="ID Tag Processing= -importart={qt}folder.jpg{qt}"
The encoder doesn't have any knowledge of where the source file is, so it won't pick up folder.jpg like that anyway. I didn't seem to have any problem stringing two commands together using cmd /c though, but with the other problem it won't help. I'll think about making some changes, then it should be possible to use neroaacenc and neroaactag together.

aah yeah, you're right. coreconverter doesn't pick up the folder.jpg with foobar. i also use j river media center, and it's able to pass my flac files as is to coreconverter so that it picks up the folder.jpg's in the original folders. there is a known bug with j river that causes it to hang halfway during a batch encocde though so it's not an option.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-07 22:42:26
i just checked my previous message and apparently hydrogen audio's forums modified (erased) the space that i intended to show in my madonna song example
but basically it was a song with about 2 inches or more of blank space somewhere in its file name

i renamed it about 2 weeks ago so i can't retrieve the exact filepath in your plugin but i'll be sure to post it here if the problem comes up again although,  like i said, its very hard to detect

thanks for the amazing support and thanks again for being british
Ah OK, I got the filename through quoting. If you have another file like that, you can put it in [code ] tags (without the space) like this to keep the spacing:
Code: [Select]
Madonna -               Lucky star               dz                zx.mp3

Still, by default it should have been truncated at 8 characters (excluding the extension) for a normal iPod model, so the spaces after that shouldn't have come into it. Do you think the spaces were in the first 8 characters? If you check "Preferences/Advanced/Tools/iPod manager/Number of extra filename characters allowed", is it set to 4? Is it a Nano 5G you have? (Check in File/iPod/Properties if unsure.)

[edit] I can see a filename starting with spaces causes problems on an iPod Classic, so perhaps that was it. I'll fix that for the next version, thanks for the report.

aah yeah, you're right. coreconverter doesn't pick up the folder.jpg with foobar. i also use j river media center, and it's able to pass my flac files as is to coreconverter so that it picks up the folder.jpg's in the original folders. there is a known bug with j river that causes it to hang halfway during a batch encocde though so it's not an option.
Allowing titleformatting would be an option, which would also allow for other artwork naming schemes, but I worry about abuse. I'll think a bit more about it... 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mstram24 on 2010-03-08 05:00:52
[edit] I can see a filename starting with spaces causes problems on an iPod Classic, so perhaps that was it. I'll fix that for the next version, thanks for the report.


although im eager to upgrade to a classic 160GB , right now im using a 8 gigabytes nano bought new in late 2009, so i would assume its a 5G.  and yes, the song that was causing me trouble had a filename starting with a bunch of spaces.  i'll check the options you mentioned, but if you could work something out in the next version that would be amazing.

thanks again, Sir Musical
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: FaintingGoat on 2010-03-10 01:31:46
Hello musicmusic,

First of all, thank you for your amazing component. I'm very happy with not having to use iTunes anymore.

I have a question regarding compilation remapping.

To illustrate it in a clear way, I'll post an example of the issue I'm having:

Album Artist (both in the %band% and %album artist% tags): Glen Hansard & Markéta Irglová
Album: Once: Music from the Motion Picture
Tracklist (%track%. %artist% - %title%):

01. Glen Hansard & Markéta Irglová - Falling Slowly
02. Glen Hansard & Markéta Irglová - If You Want Me
03. Glen Hansard - Broken Hearted Hoover Sucker Guy
04. Glen Hansard & Markéta Irglová - When Your Mind's Made Up
05. Glen Hansard - Lies
06. Interference - Gold
07. Markéta Irglová - The Hill
08. Glen Hansard - Fallen From the Sky
09. Glen Hansard - Leave
10. Glen Hansard - Trying to Pull Myself Away
11. Glen Hansard - All the Way Down
12. Glen Hansard & Markéta Irglová - Once
13. Glen Hansard - Say It to Me

When added through iTunes, all of these track artists appear in the Artists menu. Through foo_dop, none of them do. Neither the album artist nor the track artists. This means I can't access this tracks from the Artists menu at all. Rather, I have to look in the Albums or Compilations menu.
Also, in the Compilations menu, the artist appears as "Various Artists" instead of "Glen Hansard & Marketa Irglová".


I use following remapping string in the compilation field:

$if($meta_test(album artist),1,)

I only fill the %album artist% and %band% tags when there is more than one track artist per album.


Now, this different behavior of foo_dop, is this a bug or a feature? 
Is there any way to simulate the default iTunes behavior?

My configuration:
Foobar2000 v1.0
foo_dop 0.6.6.7


Thanks in advance for your answer,
FaintingGoat
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-10 08:35:36
although im eager to upgrade to a classic 160GB , right now im using a 8 gigabytes nano bought new in late 2009, so i would assume its a 5G.  and yes, the song that was causing me trouble had a filename starting with a bunch of spaces.  i'll check the options you mentioned, but if you could work something out in the next version that would be amazing.

thanks again, Sir Musical
Should be sorted in 0.6.6.9.


Either disable the Compilations (menu) in the iPod's own settings, or remove the remapping I guess.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fromsilenceandanything on 2010-03-10 15:29:39
I'm experiencing a Last.fm scrobbling related issue.

Let's start with the technical details:
- iPhone with 3.1.2 firmware
- foobar 1.0
- audioscrobbler 1.4.6
- foo_pod 0.6.6.7

And then the actual issue: Regardless of how many times I play a track, it gets scrobbled only once.

In an example scenario, I may add Track 1 and Track 2 to the On-the-Go playlist and play them in this order: Track 1, Track 2, Track 1. In this case Track 1 gets scrobbled only once, with the timestamp of the latter play. This scenario is how I found out about the problem after taking a walkabout, but I may as well just loop a track without adding it to any playlist and it will still get scrobbled only once.

What I do to scrobble is plug my iPhone and then sync it with iPod manager to get the scrobbles pulled out and placed in the cache. I then click submit in Audioscrobbler to get them on the site. I assume this is the correct way to do it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2010-03-10 15:36:46
And then the actual issue: Regardless of how many times I play a track, it gets scrobbled only once.

I'm afraid the iPod only logs the last time a track was played, so I'm afraid only the last play of each track can be scrobbled by foo_dop...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fromsilenceandanything on 2010-03-10 16:00:44
Are the technical limitations really like that? That's so lousy. And I'm looking towards Apple now, not the developer of this fancy addon.

Well, if this is the case, is there any way to go round it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: FaintingGoat on 2010-03-10 16:36:51
Either disable the Compilations (menu) in the iPod's own settings, or remove the remapping I guess.


I guess I didn't express myself clearly. When tracks are marked as part of a compilation through iTunes, they appear both in the Artist menu under the %artist% name and in the Compilations menu under the %band% tag. This is the behavior I want to replicate. With foo_dop, they only appear in the Compilations menu, and the %album artist% and %band% tags are completely ignored. Rather, %artist% is used for compilations with a single %artist%, or "Various Artists" is displayed when the compilation has multiple values under %artist%.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-10 17:29:37
What device do you have then?

Make sure the album artist is really in the ALBUM ARTIST field by checking the properties of the tracks. BAND isn't used for anything. Make sure you use 'Update metadata' on files already on the device if you've been making changes to the remappings.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: FaintingGoat on 2010-03-10 17:42:26
I have the 120GB Classic, 6G.

The ALBUM ARTIST tags are filled, and I just retain the BAND tags for iTunes compatibility, in case I need it. I do use 'Update metadata' everytime I change the remapping.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-10 19:29:55
Below is my observed behaviour on an 80GB iPod Classic (no difference in behaviour between iTunes and foo_dop)

Compilations menu:
If a compilation Album's tracks all have the same Artist, it displays Album and Artist
If the Album's tracks' Artists differ, it displays Album and Various Artists

In other words Album Artist isn't used there.

Artists menu:
If an Artist only has compilation tracks, it isn't displayed
If an Artist has both compilation and non-compilation tracks, it is listed and contains all tracks by that Artist (not just non-compilation tracks)

Are you definitely seeing different behaviour with iTunes with your 120GB model?

If you are, put just one album (and nothing else) on the device showing the problem using foo_dop, and backup the iTunesDB file. Then do the same with iTunes, and send me the two iTunesDB files and I'll compare them.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: FaintingGoat on 2010-03-10 19:58:18
Sigh. I indeed can't reproduce this behavior anymore. I'm terribly sorry for wasting your time! 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fromsilenceandanything on 2010-03-10 20:13:07
Musicmusic, can you confirm this?

I'm afraid the iPod only logs the last time a track was played, so I'm afraid only the last play of each track can be scrobbled by foo_dop...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-10 23:09:26
Sigh. I indeed can't reproduce this behavior anymore. I'm terribly sorry for wasting your time! 
No worries, the behaviour is easily confusing.. I think other current models behave better in this respect.

Musicmusic, can you confirm this?
I'm afraid the iPod only logs the last time a track was played, so I'm afraid only the last play of each track can be scrobbled by foo_dop...
[a href='index.php?act=findpost&pid=666485']Latest I heard.[/a]
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-03-12 00:55:56
I formatted my pc but I made a back-up of all my components. So I installed fb2k again and copied in the components I had. Now I get the following error when I try to "Rewrite databse" under File>iPod:

Code: [Select]
Failed to query SQL post process commands. Write operations are disabled.


I need to rewrite my iPods database each time I want to submit tracks to Last.FM. Any idea how to fix this problem. I'd like to get rid of this naughty error.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-12 07:50:07
You're missing the iPod driver, it comes in the Apple Mobile Device Support installer.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-03-13 00:25:36
doh!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: FuzzyNL on 2010-03-13 10:27:05
Today i started using my ipod nano 2G again after some time.
And i realised that its not scrobbling with my Last.fm account.
When i play some tracks on my ipod and then connect it i get this in my foobar console:
Code: [Select]
iPod manager: Device properties: 
iPod manager: Apple iPod/iPhone connected. Device Instance Path: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1260\000A270018DD94F6
Audioscrobbler: Importing played tracks from iPod van Sander
Audioscrobbler: Finished importing 1 tracks.


It doesnt scrobble it to Last.fm right away and when i check my audioscrobbler settings it shows 1 track in cache.
When i submit it via settings i get this in my console:
Code: [Select]
Audioscrobbler: Submitting track...
Audioscrobbler: Submission succeeded.

And when i check my Last.fm page i found out its not submitted.

Anyone got an idea what I'm missing or doing wrong? Please help!

Not sure if i posted this in the right topic since its foo_dop and foo_audioscrobbler related.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-03-13 14:22:06


Only suggestion I can think of is time and date settings on iPod. Maybe it's far enough out of wack you just are not seeing the scrobble on the main page?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: FuzzyNL on 2010-03-13 17:58:19
Only suggestion I can think of is time and date settings on iPod. Maybe it's far enough out of wack you just are not seeing the scrobble on the main page?

Thanx, my date was in 2000 indeed
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Yel D'ohan on 2010-03-15 16:22:39
I kept getting the "No iPod found" result, can anyone tell me what might I missed here? I have installed iTunes; the "Apple Mobile Device" support is activated; and of course I've checked the "Enable mobile devices support" and restarted fb2k.

----System info----
Windows XP SP2
32 GB iPhone 3GS
firmware 3.1.2
not yet jail-broken
----------------------

Yes, the phone is connected to my computer, the iTunes can connect to it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-15 19:58:25
Current version should display error messages on connection errors, so something funny is probably going on.

What does the console (View/Console) say?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Yel D'ohan on 2010-03-16 13:44:08
Current version should display error messages on connection errors, so something funny is probably going on.

What does the console (View/Console) say?

There's nothing at all:
--------------------------------
Watching: D:\Stuffs\My Music
Filter Panel - Genre: initialised in 0.008 s
Filter Panel - Artist: initialised in 0.007 s
Filter Panel - Album: initialised in 0.009 s
Seekbar: taking GDI path.
Seekbar: Frontend initialized.
Startup time : 0:00.889525
---------------------------------
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-16 17:38:04
If 'Enable mobile devices support' is definitely enabled, then I think you probably have some issue with the install of the Apple software. Close foobar2000, uninstall iTunes, Quicktime and all related software (i.e. Apple Mobile Device Support and Apple Application Support), restart and then reinstall iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aletaziar on 2010-03-19 22:53:43
Hello all, longtime user of foo_dop, but I've never run into a bug that affected me until now. I'm hesitant to cause it a bug, actually, because I'm not actually sure what's happening, but here goes.

I tag my converted videos with AtomicParsley (http://atomicparsley.sourceforge.net/). A fork of AtomicParsley that has been updated to 0.9.3 is available here (http://bitbucket.org/wez/atomicparsley/) as source. 0.9.3 allows for the addition of content rating (mpaa and tv ratings such as R, TV-MA, etc.). This was useless because iPhones didn't recognize content ratings that were added by 3rd party programs, only ones that were embedded in official iTunes downloads. Now it appears they do recognize them, as of firmware 3.1.3. I find this very useful, as it prevents my younger siblings from watching shows they should not. Like Dexter o_O.

foo_dop seems to hide these content ratings from iTunes/iPhones. When I transfer a song to my iPod using foo_dop, content ratings disappear from iTunes, and my iPod can no longer hid items based on content rating. Right clicking on a video file and choosing get info in iTunes restores the rating.

So. I'm not sure this is a bug in foo_dop, a bug in AtomicParsley, a bug in iTunes, or some perfect storm of trouble, but there it is.

iPod Touch 2G 3.1.3 under iTunes 9.0.3.15x64, Windows 7 Ultimate x64, foobar2000 1.0.1, foo_dop 0.6.6.9, AtomicParsley 0.9.3.

AtomicParsley 0.9.3 is provided here (http://www.mediafire.com/?txmogl3tmyj), built from source using cygwin on Windows. Several cygwin .dlls are provided in the zip as the executable will not run without them present in the environment.

The following is a batch file that can run from the AtomicParsley directory that will take a drag/drop mp4 and tag it as TV-MA, and then output the file in the AtomicParsley directory.

Code: [Select]
@SET atomicparsley=AtomicParsley.exe
@SET batchp=%~dp0
:Start
@IF "%~1"=="" GOTO End
:Tagging
%atomicparsley% "%~1" --contentRating "TV-MA" -o "%batchp%%~n1.mp4"
:Loop
@SHIFT
@GOTO Start
:End
@PAUSE
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: JohanDeBock on 2010-03-20 12:31:56
I've now also switched to this plugin to get most Apple crap off my machine.
It works perfectly!

A nice tip for transferring local library playlists to ipod:
Combined with my plugin foo_softplaylists you can transfer any local playlist or last.fm playlist to your ipod:
-monitor the ipod music folder in the library configuration: X:\iPod_Control\Music\ (maybe you first have to unhide the folder in windows explorer)
-change the Soft Playlists Path Preference to file://X
-local: save the local playlist as XSPF playlist
-local: load the XSPF playlist, last.fm: generate the playlist you want
-import the generated playlist with foo_dop

Edit: I discovered it can do this already by default, perfect!
Just curous: what matching principle does it use to see if the track in the playlist is already on the iPod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-20 14:45:05
...
Looks like this field does show up in fb2k, so I'll try adding support for it in the next version.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aletaziar on 2010-03-20 15:53:08
Looks like this field does show up in fb2k, so I'll try adding support for it in the next version.


Thanks! Also, is there a way to choose which iPod database is loaded if two iPods are connected? I have an old 4G I use for storage, but foo_dop always seems to prefer connecting to it instead of my iTouch. I've gotten around it by formatting the 4G in NTFS, but that makes iTunes throw a hissy fit.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-21 00:10:58
I was waiting for someone to comment on multiples devices connected at once behaviours..

There's nothing you can do at the moment, I'd have to make some changes so you can select the device you want to use. I didn't know that formatting it as NTFS affects foo_dop though.

You can try stopping and disabling the iPod service, it will make iTunes whinge once, but after that you might be OK (it shouldn't affect iPod touches/iPhones).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aletaziar on 2010-03-22 02:10:40
I don't think there is an iPod service. I remember seeing one with older versions of iTunes but that process never seems to run on my computer. Formatting as NTFS worked with older versions of foo_dop; currently foo_dop still recognizes the iPod but fails to find an iTunesDB file. It still tries to connect to that iPod though. Something that works currently is to eject the iPod, which makes foo_dop connect to the iDevice I want. Anyway, it's not actually that big a problem so no rush.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: boombaard on 2010-03-24 09:05:10
Could you add 'apply RG data' to the convert unsupported filetypes dialog/encoder? This would be very helpful to me.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fenningenarius on 2010-03-26 06:25:38
Is there any way to get the playlists synced from foobar to the ipod to be grouped/nested on the ipod the way that iTunes can?  e.g., in iTunes you can create a playlist folder and put several playlists in that folder and then when you sync them to the ipod they show up that way when clicking through the ipod's list of playlists (the name of the playlist folder would show up in the list of playlists and then clicking that would open up that group and show you the playlists in that folder). 

Also, is there any way to make autoplaylists in foobar that use a track's appearance on a certain playlist as criteria for the rules of the autoplaylist?  e.g., Artist IS X, Genre IS Y, playlist IS Z, would create a playlist of all tracks by X, of genre Y which appear on playlist Z. 

Thanks for your help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-27 22:49:50
0.6.7.0 released - has support for content ratings, and now tracks with either MEDIA KIND or GENRE set to Podcast will appear as podcasts on the device.

This would be very helpful to me.
Can you elaborate?

Is there any way to get the playlists synced from foobar to the ipod to be grouped/nested on the ipod the way that iTunes can?  e.g., in iTunes you can create a playlist folder and put several playlists in that folder and then when you sync them to the ipod they show up that way when clicking through the ipod's list of playlists (the name of the playlist folder would show up in the list of playlists and then clicking that would open up that group and show you the playlists in that folder).
Not quite, but you can make playlist folders and then create smart playlists in them.

I think if you reorganise the playlists into folders using iTunes, the structure will be preserved when you sync with foo_dop (I hope so anyway..)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: wwwald on 2010-03-28 18:28:17
I just got me an iPod Nano and was eager to try out the iPod manager in foobar2k.
But, I regularly get an error message saying "Error reading iTunesDB : Unsupported format or corrupted file". I tried deleting the "iTunesDB" file which seems to at least avoid this error for some time.
Then, when I try to upload albums to the iPod using "Send to iPod", things seem to get uploaded correctly. However, on the iPod itself, I still get the message "No music" when browsing. The iTunesDB file did increase in size, and the "Music" folder on the iPod does contain a number of mp3 files.

I'm not too familiar with the tech details on all this, but where do I start looking for a solution?
Thanks a bunch!

wwwald
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-28 18:58:29
What version of foo_dop are you using, and what iPod nano generation (latest?) and firmware version ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: wwwald on 2010-03-28 19:35:28
What version of foo_dop are you using, and what iPod nano generation (latest?) and firmware version ?


Hmmm... foo_dop 0.06.4.0. I suppose it's the latest generation nano, purchased yesterday. Where can I check the firmware version of this thing? In any case, its "Version" tells me "1.0.2 PC".

Thanks for the prompt reply!
wwwald
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: wwwald on 2010-03-28 19:38:31
Hmmm... foo_dop 0.06.4.0.


Strange, I definitely downloaded 0.6.7.0 from http://yuo.be/ipod.php (http://yuo.be/ipod.php), but still it says "0.6.4.0" in the Foobar component listing. Is that normal?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-28 20:40:57
No, it should say 0.6.7.0 if that is installed.

0.6.4.0 is quite old, from Feb last year. Check again what is in your foobar2000 components folder, it must be the old version. New foo_dop.dll (0.6.7.0) is 1,711,104 bytes, SHA-1 ff18724ebf7aab6b8b098b3f92cb101023c31182.

I would restore the iPod using iTunes afterwards as well, just to tidy it up after this..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: wwwald on 2010-03-28 21:24:06
No, it should say 0.6.7.0 if that is installed.

0.6.4.0 is quite old, from Feb last year. Check again what is in your foobar2000 components folder, it must be the old version. New foo_dop.dll (0.6.7.0) is 1,711,104 bytes, SHA-1 ff18724ebf7aab6b8b098b3f92cb101023c31182.

I would restore the iPod using iTunes afterwards as well, just to tidy it up after this..


Wow, that got things cleared up. I actually downloaded an iTunes skin for foobar2k earlier, and that came with foo_dop 0.6.4.0 apparently, overriding the 0.6.7.0.
Sorry for that, things seem to be working better now...

Thanks for the quick help! Keep up the great work, I'm soooo glad I'm not stuck with iTunes itself!
wwwald
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aletaziar on 2010-03-29 21:57:23
Content ratings work wonderfully with the new version, many thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: trelain on 2010-03-30 11:58:09
Just installed 0.6.7.0, thank you, Musicmusic!  As I understand it the iPod keeps its Rating info for each song in the database, not in the actual music file; and you can rate your songs right on the iPod while using it. Is there any way for the iPod manager to extract the rating from the iPod database and sync it back to the RATING metadata tag on foobar's music file on the PC?  This would be handy as I often rate songs while listening to them on the iPod.

iPod Touch 3G
WinXP
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-03-30 14:10:25


iPod manager does not but playback statistics component has option to "Automatically sync file tags with statisctics". Once you sync, the plays and ratings are back in foobar, playback statistics will write it to tags.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2010-03-30 14:20:35
0.6.7.0 seems to break thumbnail support when adding MP4 videos to my 2nd gen iPod Touch, I get a message about "artwork not implemented" (can remember the exact error, at work at the moment)

The previous version was fine, I have an MP4 video that has no artwork embedded, yet I still got a thumbnail preview once on my iPod Touch

Thanks

Ben
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ctkatz on 2010-03-30 15:51:40
a great plugin/component just became perfect with podcast support.  thanks for this.

now if only the winamp boys could get their act together...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-30 22:35:42
Everyone: Don't install iTunes 9.1! It doesn't seem to be agreeing with foo_dop, looking into it...

0.6.7.0 seems to break thumbnail support when adding MP4 videos to my 2nd gen iPod Touch, I get a message about "artwork not implemented" (can remember the exact error, at work at the moment)

The previous version was fine, I have an MP4 video that has no artwork embedded, yet I still got a thumbnail preview once on my iPod Touch
Haven't made any changes there - post the exact message.

a great plugin/component just became perfect with podcast support.  thanks for this.
Welcome

now if only the winamp boys could get their act together...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-03-30 23:02:58
musicmusic: Did you have a look at the possebility of adding Ringtones to the iPhone using foo_dop?

When ringtones already exists on the iPhone, they show up in foobar2000 along with all other music from the library, but with M4R extension. Seems like it could be as simple as just adding a track with the right extension directly into the device?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-31 00:16:56
0.6.7.1 released - quick fix for iTunes 9.1 support. Seems to work fine, some more testing would be good though. I haven't checked if it still works with iTunes 9.0.

I don't know about iPad compatibility yet.

musicmusic: Did you have a look at the possebility of adding Ringtones to the iPhone using foo_dop?

When ringtones already exists on the iPhone, they show up in foobar2000 along with all other music from the library, but with M4R extension. Seems like it could be as simple as just adding a track with the right extension directly into the device?
I think where we ended up was foobar2000 needing to recognise the M4R extension.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-03-31 00:29:06
I think where we ended up was foobar2000 needing to recognise the M4R extension.


Yep foobar would have to recognize the m4r. But ringtones are working fine as is, because foo_dop ignores them.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-03-31 00:43:21
I loaded foo_dop 0.6.7.1 and have not loaded itunes 9.1. I got message "Failed to load iTunesMobileDevice.dll - The specified module could not be found. So I would assume that it is because what is new in iTunes 9.1. I am going to update iTunes unless you think I should not.

Edit: My 3rd gen nano would sync fine but of course the iPhone would not I am sure because of missing mobiledevice....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-03-31 01:46:10
I think where we ended up was foobar2000 needing to recognise the M4R extension.


Yep foobar would have to recognize the m4r. But ringtones are working fine as is, because foo_dop ignores them.

Except for use-cases as we've been discussing previously. I think it makes sense to use foobar with foo_dop to create and upload ringtones on the iPhone. That way I can ditch iTunes completely, and I haven't found any other tool that are capable of adding ringtones.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2010-03-31 05:36:55
I loaded foo_dop 0.6.7.1 and have not loaded itunes 9.1. I got message "Failed to load iTunesMobileDevice.dll - The specified module could not be found. So I would assume that it is because what is new in iTunes 9.1. I am going to update iTunes unless you think I should not.

Edit: My 3rd gen nano would sync fine but of course the iPhone would not I am sure because of missing mobiledevice....

I'm getting the same thing.  For what it's matters, I'm on Win7x64 with iTunes 9.1 and foobar 1.0.1.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-31 08:20:35
OK, I put up 0.6.7.2 which works with both iTunes 9.0 and 9.1 (for iPhone/iPod touch devices). If anyone is still having issues, try reinstalling iTunes. If you aren't installing the whole iTunes package, make sure you don't skip Apple Application Support.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2010-03-31 09:39:16
OK, I put up 0.6.7.2 which works with both iTunes 9.0 and 9.1 (for iPhone/iPod touch devices). If anyone is still having issues, try reinstalling iTunes. If you aren't installing the whole iTunes package, make sure you don't skip Apple Application Support.

I just got 0.6.7.2, and this didn't fix the error.  I uninstalled everything Apple-related (iTunes, QuickTime, Bonjour, Apple Application Support, etc, etc, etc), reinstalled it all, and it still pops up everytime I open foobar.

(http://imgur.com/DbKH8.png) (http://imgur.com/DbKH8.png)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-31 12:50:22
Hi,

Can you make a Process Monitor log up until that error, filtered to foobar2000.exe, also can you export the registry key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Apple Inc. and send that as well. You can e-mail it to the address on my website if you wish.

Also can you confirm the location of iTunesMobileDevice.dll, should be in "%commonprogramfiles(x86)%\Apple\Mobile Device Support" now.

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: KnightBaron on 2010-03-31 14:44:49
I also have this "Failed to load iTunesMobileDevice.dll". My setup is Win7x64, iTunes 9.1.0.79, Foobar 1.0.1
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: JohanDeBock on 2010-03-31 14:52:53
Just curious: what matching principle does it use to see if the track in the playlist is already on the iPod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-03-31 15:51:22
FYI, both my machines are Win7 x64pro, I am not getting message anymore. So far everything seems to be working fine. iTunes 9.1.0.79, foo_dop 0.6.7.2 and iPhone 3gs
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: KnightBaron on 2010-03-31 16:58:22
FYI, both my machines are Win7 x64pro, I am not getting message anymore. So far everything seems to be working fine. iTunes 9.1.0.79, foo_dop 0.6.7.2 and iPhone 3gs

How did you solve the problem?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-03-31 17:08:24


Installing iTunes fixed it for me. In other words: Loaded foo_dop 0.6.7.1 last night and got error, installed iTunes 9.1. and error went away. Loaded 0.6.7.2 this morning still no error. I didn't do anything special, just upgraded iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-31 17:23:52
I also have this "Failed to load iTunesMobileDevice.dll". My setup is Win7x64, iTunes 9.1.0.79, Foobar 1.0.1
Hi,
If you follow the steps in my previous post I will have some data to work out what the problem is.

Similarly I seem to be OK on iTunes 9.1, Windows 7 64-bit, iPod manager 0.6.7.2. I will try a clean install of iTunes though, in case that is something to do with it.

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: KnightBaron on 2010-03-31 17:27:11
Hi,

Can you make a Process Monitor log up until that error, filtered to foobar2000.exe, also can you export the registry key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Apple Inc. and send that as well. You can e-mail it to the address on my website if you wish.

Also can you confirm the location of iTunesMobileDevice.dll, should be in "%commonprogramfiles(x86)%\Apple\Mobile Device Support" now.

Thanks

I don't know about the process monitor but as for my settings

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Apple Inc.\Apple Mobile Device Support]
"InstallDir"="C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Common Files\\Apple\\Mobile Device Support\\"
"Version"="3.0.0.102"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Apple Inc.\Apple Mobile Device Support\Shared]
"iTunesMobileDeviceDLL"="C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Common Files\\Apple\\Mobile Device Support\\iTunesMobileDevice.dll"

and iTunesMobileDevice.dll is in %commonprogramfiles(x86)%\Apple\Mobile Device Support



Installing iTunes fixed it for me. In other words: Loaded foo_dop 0.6.7.1 last night and got error, installed iTunes 9.1. and error went away. Loaded 0.6.7.2 this morning still no error. I didn't do anything special, just upgraded iTunes.

Just to be sure, You install iTunes 9.1 via the auto-update (help->check for updates) from iTunes 9.0 right?

btw, sorry for by bad English.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-03-31 17:43:05
For what it matters I used Apple Software Update rather than traditional download and running exe.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: KnightBaron on 2010-03-31 18:11:11
I've try reinstalling the whole iTunes set (iTunes, Bonjour, ...) and it didn't help
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-31 20:48:38
I found the problem.

Put zlib1.dll in your foobar2000 directory as a temp fix, you can download it from the Columns UI page.

I will put a permanent fix in the next build.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2010-03-31 21:11:48
Everyone: Don't install iTunes 9.1! It doesn't seem to be agreeing with foo_dop, looking into it...

0.6.7.0 seems to break thumbnail support when adding MP4 videos to my 2nd gen iPod Touch, I get a message about "artwork not implemented" (can remember the exact error, at work at the moment)

The previous version was fine, I have an MP4 video that has no artwork embedded, yet I still got a thumbnail preview once on my iPod Touch
Haven't made any changes there - post the exact message.

a great plugin/component just became perfect with podcast support.  thanks for this.
Welcome

now if only the winamp boys could get their act together...



Here you go

(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4132/52834210.png)

The MP4 goes onto my iPod Touch, but I have no thumbnails, I'm 99% sure this was working with older versions

(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/8241/img0005j.png)

Also, could we have M4V support? As I back my DVD's up via Handbrake, and the files have to be M4V to support chapters and subtitles, I have tried to copy one, but get this error

(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7597/10977183.png)

Thanks

Ben
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2010-03-31 21:16:08
By the way "Create thumbnails for video files" is ticked
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-03-31 22:39:43
OK, 0.6.7.3 released with a fix for the reported iTunes 9.1 issue.

Looks like a DirectShow-related error, most likely something installed a buggy DS filter recently?

M4V - I can only support formats that foobar2000 recognises and at least reads metadata for, and I don't believe that includes the M4V file extension?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2010-03-31 23:10:00
OK, 0.6.7.3 released with a fix for the reported iTunes 9.1 issue.

Awesome, this worked.  No more error.  Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aletaziar on 2010-04-01 01:33:31
Regarding the .m4v situation, would foo_dop be able to change the file extension of the file after it transfers the video to the iPhone? If that's all it takes to read the chapters/subtitles, that might work. So you could load the mp4, transfer with foo_dop, and then foo_dop would change the extension so it would play nice with the iPhone. Maybe foo_dop could even just automatically rename m4vs to mp4s when it is commanded to transfer them so it could work with the tags, and then rename it once it's on the iPhone?

Sorry if this makes no common sense, I don't really know how the chapters/subtitles really work (if they're set from tags that foo_dop needs to put in the iTunesDB or if it's simply that the iPhone only reads chapters/subtitles from m4vs).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2010-04-01 09:33:51
OK, 0.6.7.3 released with a fix for the reported iTunes 9.1 issue.

Looks like a DirectShow-related error, most likely something installed a buggy DS filter recently?

M4V - I can only support formats that foobar2000 recognises and at least reads metadata for, and I don't believe that includes the M4V file extension?


I am running Windows 7 Ultimate with no extra codecs, I have VLC installed and that's about it, do I need to install ffdshow?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-04-01 12:38:13
Was it working on this system before or a different one?

Anyway install the two filters linked here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:ipod_features#artwork) and you should be set.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2010-04-01 12:58:04
Was it working on this system before or a different one?

Anyway install the two filters linked here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:ipod_features#artwork) and you should be set.


Different one, that had CCCP installed, I'll install that again

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: israr on 2010-04-06 14:39:58
iPad has a new hash. It wont be compatible with 3rd party tools. I am looking into it, but  dont have an ipad atm.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: israr on 2010-04-07 14:50:52
The new hash is 57 bytes long, at location 0xAB in iTunesCDB. We will call it hashAB. Previous hashes were based on fwid, but this is based on something else.. cant investigate more without an iPad.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Mangust on 2010-04-09 09:49:00
The new hash is 57 bytes long, at location 0xAB in iTunesCDB. We will call it hashAB. Previous hashes were based on fwid, but this is based on something else.. cant investigate more without an iPad.


Write here, if you can get algorithm hash generation for iPad or future iphone 4.0 OS- this theme is very interesting for me!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-04-09 09:56:46
If I upgrade my iPhone 3GS to OS4, can I help with anything?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: israr on 2010-04-09 11:49:51
If I upgrade my iPhone 3GS to OS4, can I help with anything?


I am not sure if OS 4.0 will be using this new hash. You can update to check..  If OS 4.0 is using new hash then its good, because i dont have an iPad

However I dont have iPhone Developer Account to test OS4 either.. and I do not want to loose unlock on iPhone.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-04-09 14:27:37
Pertaining to foo_dop are we sure that OS4 will break foo_dop, or are we just going to have to try it out and see?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: israr on 2010-04-09 15:06:49
Pertaining to foo_dop are we sure that OS4 will break foo_dop, or are we just going to have to try it out and see?


I think I am sure that OS4 will break it. If current beta does not do it, final version will definitely do it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Brent on 2010-04-10 12:47:59
I have a question that I've been researching today and yesterday, but can't figure out. How are ratings stored my foo_dop, or perhaps foobar? Is the Playback Statistics required to sync ratings back and forth, or only to write these ratings to the tags if I wanted? It seems tags written with Playback Statistics (which hasnt been updated in a year now) are not compatible with other program, rendering it somewhat useless to do so.

Because of this whole problem of ratings, I decided a while ago to adopt my own standard, which is just populating the comment field with a up to five '*'s, which can be seen with pretty much any application anywhere. Works very good, but now I also would like to retrieve ratings made on the iPod, so I'm looking to how foo_dop does this. Because I don't know how and where the ratings are stored locally. Ideally I would make a mapping of my own 'standard' to whatever foo_dop and the iPod use, but I don't see any rating field in the configuration pane in foobar.

So, either I would like to know how ratings synced back to foobar are stored, to see if I can convert them to preferably my own 'standard', or ask you if it's possible you include some functionality to allow me to map the ratings to my own tag.

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: WhiskeyAlpha on 2010-04-12 03:07:37
Hi, firstly, hats of to MusicMusic for the hard work and fantastic components you produce.

I have a quick couple of questions regarding foo_dop.  I apologise if these have been covered elsewhere but I spent a good while reading through the 117 pages of this thread and couldn't find exactly what I was looking for.

1) Is it possible to customise the appearance of the "ipod devices" panel?  Can the default white background be changed to something else for example?  And font colour?

2) I am able to send artwork to ipods/iphones with no problems.  However, when viewing my ipod's library in foobar, the album art is not displayed.  Is this a limitation of foobar, foo_dop or simply a configuration error on my part?

Thanks again
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: israr on 2010-04-12 05:15:14
has anyone tested iPhone OS4?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dereks on 2010-04-12 23:30:04
Hello, musicmusic. Thanks for keeping the project support. Plugin is becoming better and better!
One note: it appears that podcast support works perfectly only for audiopodcasts. if you mark a videofile as one only audio-steam will be played. if changed to music video or tv show the same file plays without troubles but isn't displayed in podcast menu. can anything be done about this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mundschuss on 2010-04-13 02:38:05
so, just a quick question:

what do i have to do, if i want to copy an ipod? i have a 160GB ipod and a friend of mine has also buyed one. she has still no music on it and she said that she want my whole music, so, what to do? copy&past of the whole folder?

just synchronizing the library with the new iPod wouldnt work, because i have everything in FLAC on my HDD and it took days to fill up my iPod, caused by the conversion.

seeya and thanks once again to musicmusic for this great plugin, otherwise i hadnt buyed an ipod
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-04-13 03:42:15
How are ratings stored my foo_dop, or perhaps foobar? Is the Playback Statistics required to sync ratings back and forth, or only to write these ratings to the tags if I wanted?
Playback statistics is required to sync ratings. I works fine regardless of how old it is. Ratings are stored in a database file or into the tags. You should check out foo_dop wiki under "further usage notes" for explanation.

Because I don't know how and where the ratings are stored locally
Ratings are stored in tag %rating% or rather can be called from that.

or ask you if it's possible you include some functionality to allow me to map the ratings to my own tag.
Not necessary, ratings work just fine as is.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-04-13 03:48:13
1) Is it possible to customise the appearance of the "ipod devices" panel?  Can the default white background be changed to something else for example?  And font colour?
No not that I have seen someone can correct me if I am wrong.

2) However, when viewing my ipod's library in foobar, the album art is not displayed.
Is your album art stored in the tags or just on your hd? I think iPod stores artwork in the database so when you load the library it doesn't know where to look for that art. If stored in the tags it shows up just fine. Again I am not sure of that someone can correct me if I am wrong.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-04-13 04:03:27
what do i have to do, if i want to copy an ipod?
Try this: plug in iPod > load library command > right click files / File Operations / Copy To / ... > setup a scheme to copy to a folder you specify > add that folder to foobar library > sync new iPod to a playlist containing those files > delete or remove that path or files from library even simply leave it. That would be my first guess at how to accomplish it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mundschuss on 2010-04-13 09:45:47
are you shure this will copy also all the artwork, because i never see any artwork in foobar (in both of my albumart viewers)?

seeya
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: WhiskeyAlpha on 2010-04-13 13:10:43
1) Is it possible to customise the appearance of the "ipod devices" panel?  Can the default white background be changed to something else for example?  And font colour?
No not that I have seen someone can correct me if I am wrong.

2) However, when viewing my ipod's library in foobar, the album art is not displayed.
Is your album art stored in the tags or just on your hd? I think iPod stores artwork in the database so when you load the library it doesn't know where to look for that art. If stored in the tags it shows up just fine. Again I am not sure of that someone can correct me if I am wrong.


Thanks for the reply metalboy

Well, in my music collection (majority FLAC), I have a folder.jpg cover art in every folder so as you suspected, a seperate image not included in the tags.  I use foo_dops "Add Artwork" function with the args "$directory_path(%path%)\folder" which seems to result in all the artwork being perfectly viewable on the ipod device.
Where the problem lies is that with my current setup, foobar fails to view the artwork stored on the ipod after this procedure.  I suspect that the built in foobar2000 artwork reader doesn't provide the means to retrieve this artwork and that I may need to add a command to Colums UI's "artwork" page to tell it where on the ipod to find the artwork.
I suspect however, that foo_dop puts its converted artwork into tags on the files that have been transferred to the ipod device.  What I guess I need is an idea of what syntax could be used to retrieve the artwork from file tags?

Seems a shame that the visible "ipod devices" panel has no customisable colour/font elements.  If it could be edited in the color/font section of columns ui it would be fantastic.  A possible feature request musimusic?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-04-13 14:19:43
are you shure this will copy also all the artwork, because i never see any artwork in foobar (in both of my albumart viewers)?
No, I think you won't get artwork. Only way you can get artwork, I would think, would be if your files had artwork embedded or once you get it copied to hard drive from iPod then you could put artwork in respected folders before resending to other iPod.

@WhiskeyAlpha:
I think you are getting beyond what I know. If your files are FLAC and you are converting 'on the fly' then I suspect you wont ever get the artwork embedded. Just a guess but I doubt there is programming to support calling the iPod database to view the artwork, I don't know that, just guessing. I thought iPod stored artwork in some folder, while on the iPod the database knows how to map that files with the current file being played.

While converting to put on the iPod is nice, I prefer to convert a copy to mp3 and use that to sync. Matter of fact, that is my main library, the mp3's that is. My FLAC files are stored separately and I rarely listen to them they are mainly archived, if you will.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mundschuss on 2010-04-13 14:41:27
and what would happend if i just copy & paste the whole ipod with windows?

seeya
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-04-13 14:44:45
and what would happend if i just copy & paste the whole ipod with windows?
I really don't know, I assume that if they are the same model it would work. If all hidden files got copied????
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aletaziar on 2010-04-14 01:21:43
2) I am able to send artwork to ipods/iphones with no problems.  However, when viewing my ipod's library in foobar, the album art is not displayed.  Is this a limitation of foobar, foo_dop or simply a configuration error on my part?


If your artwork on your computer is in external files, foo_dop takes the external file and adds it to the itunesDB with other information. Your files on the ipod are never modified with artwork. Foobar can only read artwork from tags or from external files; artwork in the iTunesDB is not available for display. There are two ways you could view your iPod library's artwork. One would be a modification in foobar's artwork plugin so that it could read iTunesDB files, but since iPods aren't supported officially, this will likely not happen. The other would be if foo_dop was modified to embed artwork in every media file it transferred, in addition to adding it to the iTunesDB. The latter is possible, but it would be purely cosmetic, and would increase the size of every media file you transferred. It wouldn't be much at first, but it could rapidly add up, especially if your artwork was high res.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-04-14 10:23:30
iPad has a new hash. It wont be compatible with 3rd party tools. I am looking into it, but  dont have an ipad atm.
Thanks for the info, I was hoping they'd given up 

If I upgrade my iPhone 3GS to OS4, can I help with anything?
You could provide some sample data, yes, but bear in mind foo_dop won't work with it.

Pertaining to foo_dop are we sure that OS4 will break foo_dop, or are we just going to have to try it out and see?
Looks certain to break it.

has anyone tested iPhone OS4?
I assume you have a jailbroken device, have you tried just bumping DBVersion in Checkpoint.xml on current firmware? It might make iTunes write the new signature (even if the device doesn't understand it).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: israr on 2010-04-14 13:59:09
I assume you have a jailbroken device, have you tried just bumping DBVersion in Checkpoint.xml on current firmware? It might make iTunes write the new signature (even if the device doesn't understand it).

Yes, I have tried that. Bumping the DBVersion makes iPhone unrecognizable to iTunes, since iTunes validates the new hash, and existing DB has older hash.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: WhiskeyAlpha on 2010-04-14 16:31:29
2) I am able to send artwork to ipods/iphones with no problems.  However, when viewing my ipod's library in foobar, the album art is not displayed.  Is this a limitation of foobar, foo_dop or simply a configuration error on my part?


If your artwork on your computer is in external files, foo_dop takes the external file and adds it to the itunesDB with other information. Your files on the ipod are never modified with artwork. Foobar can only read artwork from tags or from external files; artwork in the iTunesDB is not available for display. There are two ways you could view your iPod library's artwork. One would be a modification in foobar's artwork plugin so that it could read iTunesDB files, but since iPods aren't supported officially, this will likely not happen. The other would be if foo_dop was modified to embed artwork in every media file it transferred, in addition to adding it to the iTunesDB. The latter is possible, but it would be purely cosmetic, and would increase the size of every media file you transferred. It wouldn't be much at first, but it could rapidly add up, especially if your artwork was high res.


Thanks for the explanation aletaziar, that makes things a lot clearer now.

I guess unless musicmusic suddenly feels the need to add this in as a feature in some way or another I'll just have to get used to being "artwork-less" in ipod mode.

BTW, does anybody happen to know for certain whether or not it is possible to alter the background and or font color of the "ipod devices" panel?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: foolver on 2010-04-14 18:13:13
about the perils of embedded cover art... i have all the cover art embedded in the files, but i know that iPod uses a single database for all the cover images. what i was wondering is, when foo_dop transfers the music files does it remove the embedded cover art, or it stays in the files?

because, if it does, i will have to remove all my cover art from the files and put it as cover.jpg, because i would have no need to send files to the iPod if they contain the unnecessary bloat (i can save quite a lot if the music transferred is without cover art in every file)

maybe a cool option in the foo_dop would be to remove all embedded cover art when sending song to the iPod?

thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2010-04-14 18:36:24
Also regarding cover art. I deleted the cover art database from my iPhone because I felt it was unreasonable for it to be over 100MB. I'm not sure why it got so massive, I imagine it was in large part due to large cover art image files on my end. Is it possible that you could add a feature to resize/compress cover art automatically? Foobar2000 can handle a 1MB image file fine, but on the iphone anything more than 320 by 320 is overkill.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-04-15 22:24:17
Hello, musicmusic. Thanks for keeping the project support. Plugin is becoming better and better!
One note: it appears that podcast support works perfectly only for audiopodcasts. if you mark a videofile as one only audio-steam will be played. if changed to music video or tv show the same file plays without troubles but isn't displayed in podcast menu. can anything be done about this?
It did work when I tested before. It could be that the component isn't correctly detecting the video stream. If you remove the podcast from the device, remove the podcast/media kind fields and resend it, does it show up as a video (movie/film)?

Yes, I have tried that. Bumping the DBVersion makes iPhone unrecognizable to iTunes, since iTunes validates the new hash, and existing DB has older hash.
Good point, I suppose you'd have to get it into first run mode as well. I guess something different happens for upgrades to 4.0 from older versions.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: foolver on 2010-04-17 17:14:47
why does beyoncé artist tag disappear from the ipod once it gets transferred? it becomes unknown artist.
it gets truncated, so i have to manually type the artist tag.

also, ke$ha is visible normally in the artist list on the ipod, but it's visible as keha in the now playing screen.

using foobar with foo_dop, both latest versions, latest ipod classic 160, ID3v2.4 tags.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-04-18 14:15:17
I put up version 0.6.7.5 which should fix read-only iPad support (it should complain if you try and use any "write" commands).

Also regarding cover art. I deleted the cover art database from my iPhone because I felt it was unreasonable for it to be over 100MB. I'm not sure why it got so massive, I imagine it was in large part due to large cover art image files on my end. Is it possible that you could add a feature to resize/compress cover art automatically? Foobar2000 can handle a 1MB image file fine, but on the iphone anything more than 320 by 320 is overkill.
They are stored in various formats specified by the device i.e. not the original files. 100MB might be correct depending on how many tracks with art you had.

why does beyoncé artist tag disappear from the ipod once it gets transferred? it becomes unknown artist.
it gets truncated, so i have to manually type the artist tag.

also, ke$ha is visible normally in the artist list on the ipod, but it's visible as keha in the now playing screen.

using foobar with foo_dop, both latest versions, latest ipod classic 160, ID3v2.4 tags.
Works fine here, send a backup of your iTunesDB and I might be able to tell why.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-04-19 11:14:02
Why do I get this?

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Error writing iTunesDB file : I/O Error: AFCRemovePath returned: 3 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesCDB.dop.backup


I get many of these Warnings:

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Failed to add album art for track: I/O Error: AFCFileInfoOpen returned 23 Path was: /iTunes_Control/Artwork/F3005_1.ithmb

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Failed to add album art for track: I/O Error: AFCFileInfoOpen returned 3 Path was: /iTunes_Control/Artwork/F3005_1.ithmb

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Failed to add album art for track: Object not found
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-04-19 12:17:50
They could be recovered as Orphaned items. Still wondering about the error. Seems like it can't fetch the artwork, although it's there.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-04-19 13:21:21
What motherboard do you have, is the device connected to an on-board USB controller? Was there any transcoding in that operation?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-04-19 13:58:03
What motherboard do you have, is the device connected to an on-board USB controller? Was there any transcoding in that operation?

It's a laptop, HP EliteBook 8730w. It has worked previously without problems. No transcoding, just transferring.

I got an error the first time I tried to send a lot of files with the same error. When I checked the iPod later, no space were occupied. I performed the same operation now and ensured that the files were not larger than free space on the iPhone and got the same error. However the files were able to be recovered as orphaned items (maybe because I didn't unplug it and/or open the iPod app after sending the files?).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mundschuss on 2010-04-20 16:33:50
so, just a quick question:

what do i have to do, if i want to copy an ipod? i have a 160GB ipod and a friend of mine has also buyed one. she has still no music on it and she said that she want my whole music, so, what to do? copy&past of the whole folder?

just synchronizing the library with the new iPod wouldnt work, because i have everything in FLAC on my HDD and it took days to fill up my iPod, caused by the conversion.

seeya and thanks once again to musicmusic for this great plugin, otherwise i hadnt buyed an ipod



BUMP! would be nice, if somebody could solve my problem

currently trying out, if its possible to listen to 5.1 albums over an ipod with the help of dolby headphone emulation....lets see ;D

seeya
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-04-21 22:24:53
If its the same model, then you could just replace the iPod_Control directory on hers with yours. Afterwards, you must do a "rewrite database" on her iPod to sign the database correctly (disconnect your iPod first). Also, you'll probably then want to rename it using iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mundschuss on 2010-04-22 20:45:45
cool, thanks

will try out and will report it.

seeya guys
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chris Norman on 2010-04-24 12:50:36
I just realized that foo_dop supports now podcasts  which is really fantastic.

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Added support for sending tracks as podcasts (set either MEDIA KIND or GENRE to Podcast)


However, I realized that the podcast handling on the ipod is not optimal. The main problem is that the ipod (nano 5g here) stops playing after every episode. I listen to a lot of podcast which have episodes of 3-4 minutes and manually advancing is really a pain. I tried adding podcast to a playlist but also being played from the playlist stops after the current episode.

Is there any solution / workaround to this?

Cheers,

Chris
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Tikke24x on 2010-04-24 15:27:40
Hello,

Today I upgraded to foobar2000 v1.0.2.1 + foo_dop 0.6.7.5 from 1.0 + 0.6.6.4. Now when I try to send files to my iPod Mini (firmware 1.4.1) I get the following error:

Error writing iTunesDB file : Expected 16 character FireWireGUID. Got: 000000C3A24C

Console output shows:

iPod manager: Device properties:
iPod manager: Apple iPod/iPhone connected. Device Instance Path: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1205\000000C3A24C

I'm running WinXP SP3.

When downgrading to foo_dop 0.6.6.4 again, I don't get the error.

Hope you can fix this!

Kind regards,

Tikke24x
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-04-24 16:42:36
Oops. 0.6.7.6 should work again, thanks for the report.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Tikke24x on 2010-04-24 19:21:55
Version 0.6.7.6 fixes my problem. Thanks a lot for the very quick fix! 

Cheers,

Tikke24x
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: heavymetaldante on 2010-04-24 21:11:28
Hey all, I'm just having a bit of trouble with foo_dop and my artwork.

I've gone through and embedded artwork on most of my music using MP3tag, and for some reason none of it is transferring to my iPod.
I would really like to not have to go through and put album art in every folder and name it cover.jpg

Is there a reason my embedded artwork is not transferring?

Thanks in advance!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NoMoon on 2010-04-25 02:32:03
Continually getting the error:
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"Could not locate matching USB device for Apple Mobile Device. Please reinstall Apple Mobile Device Support."

I've uninstalled and reinstalled Apple Mobile Device Support, uninstalled/restart/reinstalled the whole iTunes package. Running Win7 64, can see "Apple Mobile Device USB Driver" and "Apple iPhone" appear in my "Devices and Printers" window when I plug the device in. It also shows up in iTunes.

foobar Console:
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iPod manager: Connected to Apple Mobile Device.
iPod manager: USB AMD enumerator: No devices found!

Using foobar v1.0.1, foo_dop v0.6.7.6, and iTunes v9.1.0.79

Any thoughts?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NoMoon on 2010-04-25 02:38:23
Addendum to the above:

Every time I disconnect and reconnect my iPhone, I get the "Could not locate matching USB device for Apple Mobile Device. Please reinstall Apple Mobile Device Support." popping up.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NoMoon on 2010-04-25 03:24:31
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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2010-04-25 10:07:07
I've gone through and embedded artwork on most of my music using MP3tag, and for some reason none of it is transferring to my iPod.
I would really like to not have to go through and put album art in every folder and name it cover.jpg

Is there a reason my embedded artwork is not transferring?

Have you checked "Additionally use foobar2000 built-in artwork reader" on the "iPod Features" configuration page? AFAIK foo_dop itself only looks for artwork files at the file location(s) specified on the same page.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-04-25 12:11:31
See PM.

[edit] 0.6.7.7 released, should clear up any "Could not locate matching USB device for Apple Mobile Device" errors.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: CaseLogic on 2010-04-25 17:24:32
I'm not sure if this has been fixed with a newer version, or if it's not possible at all, but when I rate something on my ipod, the rating doesn't transfer over to my foobar library.

also, when I hook up my ipod to sync, it removes then re-adds a certain set of files everytime, making it take longer to sync for no reason.

Finally, a certain album is getting split into like 6 chunks, but they all lead to the same set of songs.

Queens of the Stone Age -> Lullaby (1 song)
Queens of the Stone Age -> Lullaby (3 songs)
Queens of the Stone Age -> Lullaby (2 songs), etc

but when you go to any of those albums, it actually just goes to one with all the songs.

I'm gonna update to see if those issues still persist, but I'm posting just in case
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-04-25 21:18:20
I'm not sure if this has been fixed with a newer version, or if it's not possible at all, but when I rate something on my ipod, the rating doesn't transfer over to my foobar library.
If you are using the official Playback Statistics component, they will do during a sync provided the source file hasn't moved.

also, when I hook up my ipod to sync, it removes then re-adds a certain set of files everytime, making it take longer to sync for no reason.
If it is always the same files, it is likely you've tagged/modifed them with another application whilst preserving their modified date. Do a reload info in fb2k on the source files to rectify.

Finally, a certain album is getting split into like 6 chunks, but they all lead to the same set of songs.
Check that the album values are really the same i.e. no extra spaces on some tracks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: katzy687 on 2010-04-26 00:12:30
just downloaded new foodop 6.7.7 and after i synced it to my touch i noticed all the playlists were rearranged in alphabetical order.

i do not want this.  How do I change it back to how it used to work where the ipod playlist list mirrored my foobar playlist order.

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-04-26 14:44:23
just downloaded new foodop 6.7.7 and after i synced it to my touch i noticed all the playlists were rearranged in alphabetical order.

i do not want this.  How do I change it back to how it used to work where the ipod playlist list mirrored my foobar playlist order.


6.7.7 had no effect on sort for me on iPhone. Mine appear in no certain order. I only sync one playlist from foobar and the rest are smart playlists created by foo_dop but my order is defiantly not alphabetical, I think I would prefer alphabetical. Are you sure you didn't do a sync with iTunes? Doing that would make them sorted.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ultimdan on 2010-04-28 05:35:11
Hi,
        I just began to try using foo_dop to convert my flac to alac on the fly with ffmpeg and ran into a problem. I can access my ipod and the files are copied, even with albumart, but the tags are not present. Have anyone run into this? I tried searching in this thread and some others and found no solution. I'm using -y -i - -acodec alac %d.

Thanks in advance,

Danny
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mundschuss on 2010-05-01 13:05:09
If its the same model, then you could just replace the iPod_Control directory on hers with yours. Afterwards, you must do a "rewrite database" on her iPod to sign the database correctly (disconnect your iPod first). Also, you'll probably then want to rename it using iTunes.


so, i tried it out. i copied the whole ipod_control folder, done a recover orphaded tracks (he found all the tracks) and updated the metadata.

but that doesnt worked too well. he copied the artwork even in foo_dop during the recover orphanded tracks progress, but 99% of the nearly 2500 albums have no coverart. just around 20 albums have one.

what would happen, if i copy the whole ipod, including the database to the new ipod? or is it possible with itunes to duplicate such an ipod? sorry, i know nothing about ipod, i dont know hoe synchronizing is working etc. i just ran itunes one time to check if its aviable to create those geniuse mixes, but you need an itunes acc for that and for that you need a credit card...well...

seeya
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-05-01 16:19:28
Hi,
        I just began to try using foo_dop to convert my flac to alac on the fly with ffmpeg and ran into a problem. I can access my ipod and the files are copied, even with albumart, but the tags are not present. Have anyone run into this? I tried searching in this thread and some others and found no solution. I'm using -y -i - -acodec alac %d.

Thanks in advance,

Danny
Do you have the ALAC decoder component installed?

so, i tried it out. i copied the whole ipod_control folder, done a recover orphaded tracks (he found all the tracks) and updated the metadata.

but that doesnt worked too well. he copied the artwork even in foo_dop during the recover orphanded tracks progress, but 99% of the nearly 2500 albums have no coverart. just around 20 albums have one.

what would happen, if i copy the whole ipod, including the database to the new ipod? or is it possible with itunes to duplicate such an ipod? sorry, i know nothing about ipod, i dont know hoe synchronizing is working etc. i just ran itunes one time to check if its aviable to create those geniuse mixes, but you need an itunes acc for that and for that you need a credit card...well...

seeya
It's the exact same model, right? You must have done something wrong, because the database is in a subfolder of iPod_Control, and so recover orphaned tracks shouldn't have picked up anything.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mundschuss on 2010-05-01 17:38:03
when i loaded the ipod with foobar he hadnt any tracks on it. i copied the whole ipod_control folder, incl. the hidden folders.

and my ipod has got the metadata thing in the ipod main folder, not in any subfolder.

seeya
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Eustace on 2010-05-02 07:59:44
I've just switched from using Winamp to using Foobar with foo_dop.  Great, great stuff. 

My one question has to do with updating artwork.  I made the mistake, on first sync, of having a file called "folder.jpg" in the same folder with a song that already had embedded artwork.  The embedded artwork was the correct cover, the folder.jpg file was incorrect.  Once transferred to iPod, it displayed what was in folder.jpg instead of the embedded artwork. 

The only way I found to update it was to File-->Load Library, then select that track from the iPod library and delete it, and then resend it to iPod from my music library.  That seems to have fixed it. 

I'm just wondering if there's a better way to do that.  I know there's an "update artwork" command after you do File-->Load Library, but it didn't work. 

Winamp like wouldn't let me update artwork for anything.  Once the file was there, it just wouldnt take any change.  If the method I used was what I have to do using Foobar, no biggie.  I just wanna be sure I'm not missing something.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sunzoom on 2010-05-04 11:49:18
Hi all! I think foo_dop + foobar is way better in both playing and managing ipod than itunes. I really enjoyed it since everything is so easy and swift.

I tried searching for this and found nothing but "More playlist management features." in the listed requests, sorry if this is some sort of spam. Does that request mean that there is no other option than smart playlist to manage the playlists? I mean, the smart playlist function is nice for some type of use but being the electronic music geek that I am it's quite hard to make the rules in order to get specified playlists. Or am I getting it wrong? Is there any other way to manage playlists?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-05-04 14:16:15
The only way I found to update it was to File-->Load Library, then select that track from the iPod library and delete it, and then resend it to iPod from my music library.  That seems to have fixed it.

None I know of but, I would have thought update artwork would have fixed it. Sometimes I find files that are just stubborn and have to delete them and re-add.


Is there any other way to manage playlists?

Other than foobar? I don't think so. But why not create playlist with your needed files in foobar and sync that playlist? Synchronize Command brings up a list of your playlist and then select it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chaser on 2010-05-05 06:55:23
Dear musicmusic,

I have a 4th Gen. iPod Nano (16GB) which worked great during the last 1.5years together with your marvelous component. For some unknown reason my iPod won't recharge anymore since a couple of days. As soon as I connect it to the USB-port it basically claims that the battery is fully charged, though the contrary is the case. I tried everything from rebooting the iPod (Key-press-combination) to resetting the firmware (1.0.4 at the moment) using iTunes. None of this helped. As soon as it unplug the iPod the display turns black, because the battery is completely depleted.
Can you somehow manipulate the battery-level-indicator in the iPods flash?

Thank you for your work!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-05-05 17:25:18
Hi

I'm not aware of anything (I think some low-level commands of some kind are possible, but I don't know exactly what they do, though I don't imagine they are relevant)

Have you tried to check diagnostic mode (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/backstage/comments/ipod-nano-4g-and-120gb-ipod-classic-diagnostic-modes/) if you can get into that whilst it's powered, some battery related data is displayed in there.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chaser on 2010-05-06 06:25:07
Dear musicmusic,

in fact I also went into this diagnostic mode and had a look at the battery data. It showed some voltages, which indeed suggested that the Battery is charged. Though there was no option to reset anything.
I guess there are two possible outcomes:
a) ADC of the battery is screwed
b) Software has a bug

I guess I'll have to give it into service. Its a pitty since 12months are already over...

Thanks though!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zepdad on 2010-05-07 03:36:19
I've searched forum and have not found a similar problem.  Embedded art does not synch properly for compilations on my 6G Classic 120GB (firmware 2.01).  foo_dop applies the same embedded cover to EVERY track in the compilation.  For instance, I have a 80's Favorites compilation folder with each track having separate embedded art (the source album usually).  Instead of each cover synching onto the iPod, foo_dop picks one cover--from the first track synched I guess--and uses it for EVERY track.  Foobar itself displays the separate covers fine.

This is only a problem with compilations.  I've structured all my music folders what is effectively a compilation type design.  For instance, I have a Rolling Stones folder with 50+ tracks, named and sorted chronologically.  Each source album is referenced in Album Title and appropriate cover art embedded into each track.  In all cases foo_dop handles cover art correctly during synch.

Since no one else has mentioned this problem it is probably an issue with my setup or preferences.  Here are some details; if I've missed anything let me know.  An example of my regular tagging is also provided using the Stones Sticky Fingers album. 

Compilation tag example / Regular tag setup example
Artist Name: actual artist / Rolling Stones
Track Title: actual title / Brown Sugar
Album Title: 80's Favorites / Sticky Fingers
Album Artist: Various Artists / Rolling Stones
Band: Various Artists / Rolling Stones (not sure if BAND is necessary but I read somewhere it's required for iPod compatibility so I tag that way)

Preferences:
[Note: I use Foobar only, iTunes isn't even installed]
Mapping: only two used
Title - $if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),%title% ['['%artist%']'],%title%)
Album - $if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),%album%,['['%date%']'] %album%)

Add artwork to files sent to iPod - checked
Addtionally use foobar 2000 built-in artwork reader - checked
Determine gapless data for files sent to iPod - checked
Set dummy gaples data - checked

OS - Win7 64bit

Thanks for everyone's help.  This is a great forum supporting a great program!

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-05-07 12:31:39
I've searched forum and have not found a similar problem.  Embedded art does not synch properly for compilations on my 6G Classic 120GB (firmware 2.01).  foo_dop applies the same embedded cover to EVERY track in the compilation.  For instance, I have a 80's Favorites compilation folder with each track having separate embedded art (the source album usually).  Instead of each cover synching onto the iPod, foo_dop picks one cover--from the first track synched I guess--and uses it for EVERY track.  Foobar itself displays the separate covers fine.


Just checking... You don't have a file called cover.jpg or folder.jpg in the compilation folder do you?
I think foo_dop will sync that in preference to the embedded artwork, whereas foobar itself displays the embedded artwork in preference...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-05-07 12:35:06
I've searched forum and have not found a similar problem.  Embedded art does not synch properly for compilations on my 6G Classic 120GB (firmware 2.01).  foo_dop applies the same embedded cover to EVERY track in the compilation.  For instance, I have a 80's Favorites compilation folder with each track having separate embedded art (the source album usually).  Instead of each cover synching onto the iPod, foo_dop picks one cover--from the first track synched I guess--and uses it for EVERY track.  Foobar itself displays the separate covers fine.


No wait, now I see what you're saying. For a particular compilation, you have different artwork for different tracks.
I think you'll find this is a "feature". For cover flow purposes, your iPod wants to have one piece of artwork per album, so it's probably designed to work like this. Our host musicmusic will let you know...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2010-05-07 14:09:08
foo_dop applies the same embedded cover to EVERY track in the compilation.


Maybe I am thick but I find this very confusing. Are these songs that you have put into a "compilation"? A compilation is an album of compiled songs from different albums but, together they form an album and should have the same artwork because they belong to an album. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compilation_album (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compilation_album)
It sounds like you want a playlist of your collected songs not making your own album.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zepdad on 2010-05-08 02:50:31
Frogworth - Thanks for the reply.  I don't think it's necessarily an ipod compilation feature.  I can add the tracks via SharePod and each cover is picked up and displayed separately on the ipod.

Metalboy - I appreciate Webster's definition but I'm a throwback old guy.  I create my own "compilation" albums and have been doing so since the 70's (remember cassettes?).  With the exception of a few favorite artists I don't load entire albums.  I essentially create a compilation folder for each artist.  Like I said, my Stones folder has over 50 tracks carefully handpicked and tagged (album name, year released, cover, etc.)  I have over 100 classic rock artists handled this way.  But there are many more artists of which I only like one or two songs.  I throw these into "80's Favorites" or "90's Favorites" type folders.  These are the folders that I'm flagging as ipod "compilations."  I would be surprised if many people--especially those using this forum--aren't creating the same type compilation folders.  This is basically for efficiency of my artist list.  If I had an artist folder for every single artist my artist list would be 500 long.  Certainly not very efficient when browsing on an ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jac74 on 2010-05-08 05:46:16
Hi! I'm moving to fb2k and I've been looking at the iPod support. I have a question for which I couldn't find an answer in the FAQ. I've connected my iPod (5G, firmware 1.3) and it started downloading the library. That was OK until I saw that in fb2k my playlists are completely out of order. After that I saw that there is a preference for choosing a sort order when transferring from iPod to fb2k (Preferences > iPod Manager > Behaviour > Sort iPod library playlist by). I unchecked the box, but it was too late. Is there a way to see my playlists as they are in the iPod? I tried reloading the library, but everything stays the same. Is there a function to erase the library (I mean, the fb2k version of my iPod, not the one actually in the iPod), or make fb2k read the library again?

Thanks,

Alberto
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-05-09 05:15:14
Frogworth - Thanks for the reply.  I don't think it's necessarily an ipod compilation feature.  I can add the tracks via SharePod and each cover is picked up and displayed separately on the ipod.


Ah yes, sure. Sorry, my mistake - what I'm insinuating is that possibly musicmusic has set it up this way, so if tracks are grouped together as a compilation, the first available cover is chosen.
I may be quite wrong! It could even be... *gasp*... a bug! I must admit I'd want it to work the way you want it to work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-05-09 05:18:56
Can I ask an impossible question, musicmusic?

What is likely to happen when a) iPhone OS4.0 comes out, and b) the next gen iPhones come out?
Is there a possibility that foo_dop just won't have a chance?
Or is it more likely that we'll just have to wait a bit until the bits that need cracking get cracked? (If that's the right way to think about it...)

It's an issue for me because I have an iPhone 3G (not 3GS) and it needs upgrading. But if I can't use foobar/foo_dop to manage the music, I'll be upset to say the least. iTunes, for me, is just a horrible alternative. I may hold off on upgrading if that's the case.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-05-09 16:55:44
Sorry but the component expects and stores a single cover for each album and that's by design. Either use playlists, or perhaps use genres, but leave the album field alone.

Hi! I'm moving to fb2k and I've been looking at the iPod support. I have a question for which I couldn't find an answer in the FAQ. I've connected my iPod (5G, firmware 1.3) and it started downloading the library. That was OK until I saw that in fb2k my playlists are completely out of order. After that I saw that there is a preference for choosing a sort order when transferring from iPod to fb2k (Preferences > iPod Manager > Behaviour > Sort iPod library playlist by). I unchecked the box, but it was too late. Is there a way to see my playlists as they are in the iPod? I tried reloading the library, but everything stays the same. Is there a function to erase the library (I mean, the fb2k version of my iPod, not the one actually in the iPod), or make fb2k read the library again?
There's no "too late", that setting only applies to loading the library to a playlist which you can easily repeat.

Where are you viewing your playlists "out of order", can you check in Manage contents? If it is wrong there send a backup of the iTunes_Control\iTunes\iTunesDB file and tell me what the first few tracks of one of the playlists should be, and how you see it in fooar2000.

Thanks

Can I ask an impossible question, musicmusic?

What is likely to happen when a) iPhone OS4.0 comes out, and b) the next gen iPhones come out?
Is there a possibility that foo_dop just won't have a chance?
Or is it more likely that we'll just have to wait a bit until the bits that need cracking get cracked? (If that's the right way to think about it...)

It's an issue for me because I have an iPhone 3G (not 3GS) and it needs upgrading. But if I can't use foobar/foo_dop to manage the music, I'll be upset to say the least. iTunes, for me, is just a horrible alternative. I may hold off on upgrading if that's the case.

a) It won't be compatible with foo_dop due to the updated protection (signing) mechanisms. Latest version of foo_dop should refuse to do anything that would modify the database, but "read" commands should work.
b) Same as a) basically.

If someone reverse engineers the new signature, then it should be possible to add support barring any other problems, however there's no guarantees if or when that might be I'm afraid..

(There may be a workaround if there is a jailbreak for a) or b) but we'll have to wait and see..)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jac74 on 2010-05-10 00:58:12
musicmusic,

I am a bit of a newbie with the forums, so I couldn't find an option to attach files. Instead, I uploaded a .rar with 3 files in this post (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=80804&view=findpost&p=704592).

One file is an iTunes snapshot of the playlist, showing the right playing order (as I would listen to if I selected the playlist in my iPod), another one is a snapshot of fb2k showing the same playlist, taken from file > iPod > manage contents, where you can see that the playing order has been changed. Finally, there is the iTunesDB file that you asked for.

On top of this, is there a way to ask foo_dop to re-read the library from the iPod? I think it would be a nice feature, maybe under preferences > advanced, or somewhere like that.

Hope this helps!

Regards,

Alberto
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-05-10 06:16:27
If someone reverse engineers the new signature, then it should be possible to add support barring any other problems, however there's no guarantees if or when that might be I'm afraid..

(There may be a workaround if there is a jailbreak for a) or b) but we'll have to wait and see..)


OK well I'm not going to get the new device/upgrade until it's jailbroken anyway, so I'll be waiting and seeing...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mstram24 on 2010-05-10 06:30:32
Super Request here 

could selecting a playlist and doing "send to ipod" have the same effect as doing "send playlist..."  ?

right now...selecting (highlighting) a playlist and doing "send to ipod" will essentially send the individual songs to the ipod...but they won't appear in the playlist section.

i hope you're not overwhelmed with requests ...
im a big fan of yours,

Cheers.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zepdad on 2010-05-11 21:05:20
Sorry but the component expects and stores a single cover for each album and that's by design. Either use playlists, or perhaps use genres, but leave the album field alone.


Musicmusic, thanks for the clarification.  I'm curious whether this is a design choice or a component limitation for compatibility or other reasons?  The iPod itself does not limit an album to one cover, at least this is true on the Classic 6G with embedded art.  As I said earlier I can upload with Sharepod and each embedded cover is used even if the same album name.  Maybe it's something you can look at in future versions.  Thanks again for your hard work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2010-05-15 14:40:20
I've searched around and, to my surprise, found nothing on this one.

I have a first generation iPod Touch running OS 3.1.3. I just updated foo_dop to 0.6.7.7 this morning. Whenever I try to perform any operations in foobar (0.9.6.9), this message pops up: "Error: Could not lock device for syncing! Please wait and retry." But it's still working fine in iTunes and I can delete files fine from it just fine there.

Any ideas?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chippit on 2010-05-15 15:08:04
What exactly is it that the component uses to generate thumbnails for videos? I'm hesitant to install a bunch of bloated codec packs/splitters/directshow filters just to get that to work, but after having had the feature work before I formatted and upgraded my PC, I rather miss seeing the video thumbnails on my iPod. What, specifically, is required to get it to work again? (On Windows 7, in this case, if it makes a difference)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Knight on 2010-05-15 23:40:09
Is anyone else having a problem with album art being added to the synced files? I'm on Windows 7 64-bit w/ foobar2000 1.0.1 and foo_dop 0.6.7.7.. Almost all of my albums have proper album art showing in foobar2000 with the artwork viewer, but most of the artwork disappears on the ipod (160gb Classic). I noticed the source script only has "folder" in it, is there any way to specify multiple paths here?

I've already got "Additionally use foobar2000 built-in artwork reader" enabled..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2010-05-16 11:40:02
Some time ago, I changed from an iPod Nano 4G to an iPod touch (Unsure of which generation, it came with 3.1.3, IIRC).  This didn't fix the album art problems I have, and some other ones have appeared.

From time to time, album art seems to jump around. Some albums have wrong art. For instance, "Taken From the Evil to Come" by upcdownc ended up having the album art of Carpe Omnium, one of Atlantis' albums. Now, all my albums have correct album art, which shows up as it should in Foobar's artwork viewer and Columns UI's NG Playlist. Also, I'm sure there are no hidden pictures. I don't know what to do, because I've also gone from my old library to a new one (Copied my music and added new album art, reinstalled Foobar).

Also, some sometimes some artists/albums won't appear. When I go to the music section and to Artists, I can usually find the artist in question, but the tracks won't appear. Instead, there's a message similar to "Sorry, add some music with iTunes". Rewriting the database or resyncing usually fixes it.

Uh, I guess this sounds a little unclear, but I'll supply pictures/screenshots if needed.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-05-16 11:57:19
Whenever I connect my iPod to my PC I have the following issue:

The iPod doesn't send it's played songs data to foobar. Only when I use the option File > iPod > "rewrite database" will the played songs appear in the File > Preferences > Tools > Audioscrobbler. The songs are not automatically send to Last.FM. I have to submit the songs manually. When submitting the songs manually the connection often fails after submitting 10 or 20 songs.

Any ideas how to get the process automated? Plug in the iPod and everything automatically gets uploaded?

(http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae159/Omitson/audioscrobbling_gone_wrong.png)
(http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae159/Omitson/audioscrobbling_gone_wrong2.png)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jack Schmaltz on 2010-05-16 12:05:34
@Omitson: with regards to your automation query, this is taken from the foo_dop further usage notes/faq's:

"Statistics (plays and ratings) are synchronised back to foobar2000 when you run any command that modifies the iPod (to force use 'Rewrite database'). This only works for files originally sent using the component, and currently they cannot have moved from their location at the time they were added to the iPod."

as for submission to last.fm, all tracks in the cache should get submitted once you start scrobbling tracks from within foobar.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-05-16 15:55:05
Super Request here 

could selecting a playlist and doing "send to ipod" have the same effect as doing "send playlist..."  ?
Agreed something like that makes sense, but I'm not aware of any common APIs to accomplish that, sadly.

Musicmusic, thanks for the clarification.  I'm curious whether this is a design choice or a component limitation for compatibility or other reasons?  The iPod itself does not limit an album to one cover, at least this is true on the Classic 6G with embedded art.  As I said earlier I can upload with Sharepod and each embedded cover is used even if the same album name.  Maybe it's something you can look at in future versions.  Thanks again for your hard work.
It is my implementation of sparse artwork. I could switch to doing comparisons on the artwork, but my main concern was the complications if part of the album is already on the device.

I've searched around and, to my surprise, found nothing on this one.

I have a first generation iPod Touch running OS 3.1.3. I just updated foo_dop to 0.6.7.7 this morning. Whenever I try to perform any operations in foobar (0.9.6.9), this message pops up: "Error: Could not lock device for syncing! Please wait and retry." But it's still working fine in iTunes and I can delete files fine from it just fine there.

Any ideas?
Reboot the iPod and you should be fine, I think. Maybe check the system log first (Shift + File/iPod/Syslog viewer). I think iTunes still goes ahead if it can't lock the device.

What exactly is it that the component uses to generate thumbnails for videos? I'm hesitant to install a bunch of bloated codec packs/splitters/directshow filters just to get that to work, but after having had the feature work before I formatted and upgraded my PC, I rather miss seeing the video thumbnails on my iPod. What, specifically, is required to get it to work again? (On Windows 7, in this case, if it makes a difference)
The combination mentioned in the wiki help page (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:ipod_features#create_thumbnails_for_video_files) will work fine.

Is anyone else having a problem with album art being added to the synced files? I'm on Windows 7 64-bit w/ foobar2000 1.0.1 and foo_dop 0.6.7.7.. Almost all of my albums have proper album art showing in foobar2000 with the artwork viewer, but most of the artwork disappears on the ipod (160gb Classic). I noticed the source script only has "folder" in it, is there any way to specify multiple paths here?

I've already got "Additionally use foobar2000 built-in artwork reader" enabled..
Perhaps you would like to add how/where your artwork is stored?

Some time ago, I changed from an iPod Nano 4G to an iPod touch (Unsure of which generation, it came with 3.1.3, IIRC).  This didn't fix the album art problems I have, and some other ones have appeared.

From time to time, album art seems to jump around. Some albums have wrong art. For instance, "Taken From the Evil to Come" by upcdownc ended up having the album art of Carpe Omnium, one of Atlantis' albums. Now, all my albums have correct album art, which shows up as it should in Foobar's artwork viewer and Columns UI's NG Playlist. Also, I'm sure there are no hidden pictures. I don't know what to do, because I've also gone from my old library to a new one (Copied my music and added new album art, reinstalled Foobar).
I'm not aware of any issues, but if you are using folder.jpg try using something else e.g. cover.jpg, because folder.jpg is a reserved/system file name.

Also, some sometimes some artists/albums won't appear. When I go to the music section and to Artists, I can usually find the artist in question, but the tracks won't appear. Instead, there's a message similar to "Sorry, add some music with iTunes". Rewriting the database or resyncing usually fixes it.
It sounds like the sorting process which runs on the device is crashing, which I have seen before but not a reliably reproducible example. If you check the system log as above a crash might be logged there, or iTunes might offer to submit it if you sync with it. If it is happening regularly backup your iTunes_Control\iTunes folder and I'll have a look, it might be something like inconsistent sort fields etc.

Whenever I connect my iPod to my PC I have the following issue:

The iPod doesn't send it's played songs data to foobar. Only when I use the option File > iPod > "rewrite database" will the played songs appear in the File > Preferences > Tools > Audioscrobbler.
Currently all actions are invoked manually, so for now that's by design.

When submitting the songs manually the connection often fails after submitting 10 or 20 songs.
Not sure, this one is best asked in the foo_audioscrobbler thread.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2010-05-16 17:13:43
Reboot the iPod and you should be fine, I think. Maybe check the system log first (Shift + File/iPod/Syslog viewer). I think iTunes still goes ahead if it can't lock the device.

You nailed it, musicmusic. I feel rather stupid for not even trying that. My sincere thanks. foodop forever!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Knight on 2010-05-17 15:30:07
Is anyone else having a problem with album art being added to the synced files? I'm on Windows 7 64-bit w/ foobar2000 1.0.1 and foo_dop 0.6.7.7.. Almost all of my albums have proper album art showing in foobar2000 with the artwork viewer, but most of the artwork disappears on the ipod (160gb Classic). I noticed the source script only has "folder" in it, is there any way to specify multiple paths here?

I've already got "Additionally use foobar2000 built-in artwork reader" enabled..
Perhaps you would like to add how/where your artwork is stored?



Wow, it's so good to see a dev being so involved with his userbase. 

My artwork's a little chaotic.. Some albums have artwork embedded, others have a folder.jpg or cover.jpg. I try not to use folder.jpg these days since WMP will eat it up every time I launch it but they end up being generated anyway which is irritating. I think my problem has to do with the fact that the folder/cover.jpg isn't always in the folder with the mp3 when the album is comprised of multiple CDs. In these cases my folder structure generally goes D:\Music\Artist\Album\CDnumber\ with the cover art in the Album folder.

Foobar handles it okay with the artwork viewer, but it looks at several paths..

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2751/artworkpaths.jpg)

Also, I'm not sure if this is an isolated incident, but I've noticed (I only got my ipod on Saturday) that my ipod will fail to connect properly if foobar's open. The ipod itself freezes and windows only detects a USB drive. But as soon as I either reset the ipod or close foobar, it finishes connecting and foobar occasionally gives me a pure virtual function call error...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: labou on 2010-05-17 19:33:01
Okay, so I'm trying to get my iPod to show the album artist tag in place of the normal artist one, but it does not seem to be changing. Anyone know what I can do? I changed the tag like you can see in the pic, and rewrote the databse, but it still stays the same. Artist that fall under Various Artist in my foobar still have independent names on my iPod. 

I have a 2g iPod Touch if that is useful.

(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4130/preferences.th.png) (http://img412.imageshack.us/i/preferences.png/)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-05-18 20:12:23
My artwork's a little chaotic.. Some albums have artwork embedded, others have a folder.jpg or cover.jpg. I try not to use folder.jpg these days since WMP will eat it up every time I launch it but they end up being generated anyway which is irritating. I think my problem has to do with the fact that the folder/cover.jpg isn't always in the folder with the mp3 when the album is comprised of multiple CDs. In these cases my folder structure generally goes D:\Music\Artist\Album\CDnumber\ with the cover art in the Album folder.

Foobar handles it okay with the artwork viewer, but it looks at several paths..
Actually I'm not sure that those will do anything useful as you exclude the file extension in CUI..

Anyway set-up the sources at the Display preferences page as those will be used by iPod manager (provided the "Additionally use foobar2000 built-in artwork reader" option is ticked). Don't use folder.jpg, and remove it from the iPod manager/Core settings. Use 'Update artwork' if you want to update tracks already transferred (will work provided the source file hasn't moved).

Also, I'm not sure if this is an isolated incident, but I've noticed (I only got my ipod on Saturday) that my ipod will fail to connect properly if foobar's open. The ipod itself freezes and windows only detects a USB drive.
I have not had any reports of this before, what does the foobar2000 console say at this point? Actually it only starts doing stuff after receiving a notification of a new volume. Also can you check the Event Log at this point? Have you installed the latest firmware version and also do you have the iPod driver installed (from iTunes/Apple Mobile Device Support)?

foobar occasionally gives me a pure virtual function call error...
Is this when closing foobar2000? I suppose the background thread is getting stuck doing something, I'll make some changes which should avoid that, thanks.

Okay, so I'm trying to get my iPod to show the album artist tag in place of the normal artist one, but it does not seem to be changing. Anyone know what I can do? I changed the tag like you can see in the pic, and rewrote the databse, but it still stays the same. Artist that fall under Various Artist in my foobar still have independent names on my iPod. 
You'll need to use 'Update metadata' to update the songs already transferred.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: labou on 2010-05-19 03:29:17
^  okay. i saw that that was what i was suppose to do from the site, but from those directions i couldnt figure out how to actually update the metadata. I'm sure its something really simple im missing but could you explain a little further please
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zepdad on 2010-05-20 02:52:59
Musicmusic, thanks for the clarification.  I'm curious whether this is a design choice or a component limitation for compatibility or other reasons?  The iPod itself does not limit an album to one cover, at least this is true on the Classic 6G with embedded art.  As I said earlier I can upload with Sharepod and each embedded cover is used even if the same album name.  Maybe it's something you can look at in future versions.  Thanks again for your hard work.
It is my implementation of sparse artwork. I could switch to doing comparisons on the artwork, but my main concern was the complications if part of the album is already on the device.


musicmusic: As per your earlier recommendation I tried blank album names and using genre's to define my "70's Favorites", "80's Favorites", etc. compilations.  The component now uses one embedded cover for ALL tracks with a blank album name, regardless of genre field (presumably the first track synced).  Obviously the album field is the trigger, even if just blank.  Sorry but my simple minded logic doesn't understand why, if a track has an embedded cover, the component can't use that cover, regardless of all other factors.  That's what the iPod itself seems to do (using Sharepod anyway).  I'm sure there are far more coding complexities then I can even comprehend, particularly for users with mixed embedded art and .jpg's, but I'm wondering....why not a toggle for "use embedded art only"?  The component can then simply grab the embedded cover and ignore everything else.  For someone like me, and probably many others who have systematically and carefully embedded covers into every track, this would seem to be the perfect solution.  I can see where it might slow down the initial sync, but that's a one time event.  Thanks again!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: biueish on 2010-05-20 05:47:05
OK, 0.6.7.3 released with a fix for the reported iTunes 9.1 issue.

Looks like a DirectShow-related error, most likely something installed a buggy DS filter recently?

M4V - I can only support formats that foobar2000 recognises and at least reads metadata for, and I don't believe that includes the M4V file extension?


Regarding the M4V issue, couldn't there be an option to totally ignore files with that extension? While I do not really like to use itunes, I can live with dragging and dropping video files onto my ipod. However, these files will be deleted once I synchronize my ipod using foo_dop. Kinda hackish but its better than having to retransfer the unsupported files after each sync i guess.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-05-20 23:41:16
^  okay. i saw that that was what i was suppose to do from the site, but from those directions i couldnt figure out how to actually update the metadata. I'm sure its something really simple im missing but could you explain a little further please
They are fairly clear (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:database#metadata), I think.

musicmusic: As per your earlier recommendation I tried blank album names and using genre's to define my "70's Favorites", "80's Favorites", etc. compilations.  The component now uses one embedded cover for ALL tracks with a blank album name, regardless of genre field (presumably the first track synced).
I really have no idea what you've done, but I didn't mean leave the album fields blank, and I hope you changed the album artist fields as well.

Obviously the album field is the trigger, even if just blank.
Incorrect.

Sorry but my simple minded logic doesn't understand why, if a track has an embedded cover, the component can't use that cover, regardless of all other factors.
I think you're confusing things. If you didn't understand, the other factor is storage space. I'll see if I can factor in any SHA-1 digests of the artwork that may be stored. But not for the next version.

That's what the iPod itself seems to do (using Sharepod anyway).
SharePod is irrelevant.

Regarding the M4V issue, couldn't there be an option to totally ignore files with that extension?
Sure - I'll make it leave anything with that extension alone.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zepdad on 2010-05-21 12:24:34
musicmusic, I appreciate your efforts trying to comprehend my artwork problem as it pertains to compilations.  You've been very patient.  Clearly, there is much I don't understand about the component and how it's utilizing certain tags to make cover art decisions, embedded or not.  I certainly appreciate the storage size constraints you are trying to accommodate, especially for flash memory devices.  I do find it curious that you say the album name is not the cover trigger since all my testing points to this fact.  But anyway....

Given the component's apparent design (one cover per album) the best solution for my needs is to assign different album names to each track in a specific compilation--probaby the original source album name.  Then, either using Genre or playlists (or both), set up 70's Favorites, 80's Favorites, etc. groups.  The result is separate cover art and I can access the Compilations through several means (Compilation Menu, playlists, or Genre).  The drawback is that I have dozens of album names in a given Compilation.

I do ask that you eventually consider a feature that would allow multiple covers per album, if only for large capacity devices.  It sounds like something that can be done.

Finally, I somewhat disagree with the irrelevance of Sharepod.  I find it a useful, streamlined tool to directly manage the iPod database without disconnecting the device, particularly as I've been conducting all my cover art testing. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2010-05-26 15:13:31
OK, 0.6.7.3 released with a fix for the reported iTunes 9.1 issue.

Looks like a DirectShow-related error, most likely something installed a buggy DS filter recently?

M4V - I can only support formats that foobar2000 recognises and at least reads metadata for, and I don't believe that includes the M4V file extension?


I am running Windows 7 Ultimate with no extra codecs, I have VLC installed and that's about it, do I need to install ffdshow?


Out of interest does the DivX Plus Codec Pack allow you to create video thumbs? I know CCCP does, and I'd prefer an all-in-one install

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-05-27 21:03:20
0.6.7.8 released. Changelog:
-Added VoicerOver support for iPod shuffle 3G (currently forced on).
-Various bug fixes
-M4V files should no longer be removed during a sync
-Fixed an issue relating to the order of playlists when displayed in foobar2000

VoiceOver support notes: It will use the system text-to-speech settings. It will also only be active for playlists/files transferred with the new version.

Out of interest does the DivX Plus Codec Pack allow you to create video thumbs? I know CCCP does, and I'd prefer an all-in-one install
Doesn't seem to, no. I think I can do it using Media Foundation on Windows 7, I'll give it a go for maybe the next version.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2010-05-28 08:45:03
Out of interest does the DivX Plus Codec Pack allow you to create video thumbs? I know CCCP does, and I'd prefer an all-in-one install
Quote
Doesn't seem to, no. I think I can do it using Media Foundation on Windows 7, I'll give it a go for maybe the next version.


Awesome, thank you
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: FootageOfACop on 2010-05-29 08:11:36
Is anyone else having a problem where songs without album/artwork information appear in the iPhone's Cover Flow view?

I have multiple songs with complete album tags, where the artwork source is simply cover.jpg in the same folder. I also have many songs without any album tags, just %artist% and %title%. Everything seems fine when browsing from my iPhone, except when I switch to Cover Flow. My Cover Flow albums are in order by artist, but it seems to insert a non-album-related track in between every set of a single artist's albums.

For example, I have several albums by Jefferson Airplane. Each of these albums appear correctly in Cover Flow. However, after their listings, there is a listing for Jefferson *Starship* with the default artwork image and no album information. It only lists the Starship song that appears first alphabetically, although I have others on the device. None of my Starship songs have any album information and do not appear under the default "Albums" filter.

Is this intended behavior? A settings problem on my part? A possible glitch? Any help would be appreciated!

Windows 7 x64
foobar2000 v1.0.3
foo_dop 0.7.6.8
iPhone 3GS 3.0.1

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-05-30 00:42:25
I do see that, but I'm getting the same thing when using iTunes.

0.6.7.9 released for testing. Changes:
-Now uses Microsoft Media Foundation for video thumbnails on Windows 7 (on Vista it will attempt to use it, falling back to DirectShow)
-Changes to sparse artwork implementation
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vassie on 2010-05-30 01:21:02
I do see that, but I'm getting the same thing when using iTunes.

0.6.7.9 released for testing. Changes:
-Now uses Microsoft Media Foundation for video thumbnails on Windows 7 (on Vista it will attempt to use it, falling back to DirectShow)
-Changes to sparse artwork implementation


So quick! Thank you for adding MMF support for Windows 7
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: CaseLogic on 2010-06-02 16:01:00
I'm still having issues with ratings coming back into foobar2000.  I use playback statistics.  When I rate something on my ipod, then synchronize, the ratings are essentially lost.  Am I doing something wrong?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: damia on 2010-06-06 02:08:15
Hi guys, I'm about to buy an 160 GB 7th Generation and I would like to know if this addon work properlly with it.

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2010-06-06 02:21:28
Hi guys, I'm about to buy an 160 GB 7th Generation and I would like to know if this addon work properlly with it.

It works fine with my 160 GB iPod that I bought from Amazon.de about 3 months, so - yes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mapthesoul on 2010-06-06 18:19:30
I recently bought a Ipod Touch 3g (3.1.3 fw) and decided to try this plugin out.
Everything works great except i can't choose to delete songs from the ipod.

I looked in the context menu and "remove from ipod" is checked but it doesn't show up in the menu when i right click. (the only option is Send to Ipod)

Very thankful for any help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2010-06-06 18:28:41
I looked in the context menu and "remove from ipod" is checked but it doesn't show up in the menu when i right click. (the only option is Send to Ipod)

You need to do "iPod > Load library" to load the iPod's contents into a playlist as that's where that command will show up. It won't show up for files on your PC...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mapthesoul on 2010-06-06 19:11:03
I looked in the context menu and "remove from ipod" is checked but it doesn't show up in the menu when i right click. (the only option is Send to Ipod)

You need to do "iPod > Load library" to load the iPod's contents into a playlist as that's where that command will show up. It won't show up for files on your PC...

Aw, i would have seen that if i had "Show Toolbars" on.
Thanks for the help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-06-07 22:45:07
I would like to import my music from my iPod onto my laptop. Is this possible with foo_dop?

Thanks in advance.


~Omitson
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-07 23:17:12
I'm still having issues with ratings coming back into foobar2000.  I use playback statistics.  When I rate something on my ipod, then synchronize, the ratings are essentially lost.  Am I doing something wrong?
Did you originally send the files using the same computer and have they been renamed or moved?

I would like to import my music from my iPod onto my laptop. Is this possible with foo_dop?
Sure, use 'Load library' and the File Operations component.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Omitson on 2010-06-08 00:01:33
I'm still having issues with ratings coming back into foobar2000.  I use playback statistics.  When I rate something on my ipod, then synchronize, the ratings are essentially lost.  Am I doing something wrong?
Did you originally send the files using the same computer and have they been renamed or moved?

I would like to import my music from my iPod onto my laptop. Is this possible with foo_dop?
Sure, use 'Load library' and the File Operations component.

Thanks a lot, it is appreciated!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: CaseLogic on 2010-06-08 00:13:38
I'm still having issues with ratings coming back into foobar2000.  I use playback statistics.  When I rate something on my ipod, then synchronize, the ratings are essentially lost.  Am I doing something wrong?
Did you originally send the files using the same computer and have they been renamed or moved?

I would like to import my music from my iPod onto my laptop. Is this possible with foo_dop?
Sure, use 'Load library' and the File Operations component.


I used the same computer, and foobar, to load it all up (this new iPod never even touched iTunes!).  None of the files in question have been renamed or moved.  When I rate them on my iPod, and I sync, it basically just strips the rating.  Disappears from the iPod, and doesn't transfer to foobar playback statistics
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: WolfenNights on 2010-06-08 03:26:09
I'm borrowing my friend's iPod for a few days and I was wondering if there was a way to merge both our music collections. However, we both have a lot of the same music, and I have some stuff he doesn't have and vice-versa. Is there any way to "sync" our libraries without having to lose our music or have duplicates?

I was also curious about the way that the iPod tags it's files and whatnot, cus when I look in the Music folder, I just see files with a combination of four letters for the name. Are the tags in the files themselves, or does the iPod keep them in some sorta file of it's own? If so, is there a way to make Foobar write the iPod's list of tags to the file while I copy it to my computer?

I also want to know if Foobar could fix misspelled artist names and recognize them as the same artist. Like Death cab for Cutie being the same as Death Cab For Cutie. Or Blink-182 being the same as Blink 182.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shemuel on 2010-06-08 14:50:21
Is all your music in one folder?(ie. not in different files for artist/album). If so, you can add his iPod files to your computer, and the computer should ask you what to do with each duplicate file (you can then skip that file, or skip all duplicates)

Yep, it's the iPod that gives the music such a strange name. I suggest downloading a full-scale MP3 tagger, such as Florian's: http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ (http://www.mp3tag.de/en/). it has the option to convert tag to filename (in bulk). This would also solve your third problem.  I edit my tags manually, but Mp3tag can check files via internet databases.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: WolfenNights on 2010-06-08 19:19:27
Quote
Is all your music in one folder?(ie. not in different files for artist/album). If so, you can add his iPod files to your computer, and the computer should ask you what to do with each duplicate file (you can then skip that file, or skip all duplicates)
All my files are done by artist and album, but I let Foobar copy and rename all his files from his iPod onto an external hard drive. After they had the same name and folder structure as the music on my laptop, I copied and windows was able to skip the duplicates.

Thanks. I'll try out that tagger you linked me too. I have been using MusicBrainz Picard, but it was too slow for me to know if it did anything useful.

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-08 21:43:36
I used the same computer, and foobar, to load it all up (this new iPod never even touched iTunes!).  None of the files in question have been renamed or moved.  When I rate them on my iPod, and I sync, it basically just strips the rating.  Disappears from the iPod, and doesn't transfer to foobar playback statistics
When you do a sync it will also transfer the ratings back from the media library.

Some things to be aware of:
-If you disable 'Library/Monitor played tracks' in the main menu it also seems to disable the import of ratings
-If you have a RATING metadata field in the file (i.e. not in the playback statistics database) a rounded average (mean) of that and the imported rating is displayed/returned from %rating% etc.

What I would suggest is:
-Check in 'iPod/Manage contents' if the files in question have 'yes' in the 'In DopDB' column.
-Rate a file on the iPod and do a 'Rewrite database' (not a sync). Check if the rating persists on the iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: CaseLogic on 2010-06-08 22:01:34
I used the same computer, and foobar, to load it all up (this new iPod never even touched iTunes!).  None of the files in question have been renamed or moved.  When I rate them on my iPod, and I sync, it basically just strips the rating.  Disappears from the iPod, and doesn't transfer to foobar playback statistics
When you do a sync it will also transfer the ratings back from the media library.

Some things to be aware of:
-If you disable 'Library/Monitor played tracks' in the main menu it also seems to disable the import of ratings
-If you have a RATING metadata field in the file (i.e. not in the playback statistics database) a rounded average (mean) of that and the imported rating is displayed/returned from %rating% etc.

What I would suggest is:
-Check in 'iPod/Manage contents' if the files in question have 'yes' in the 'In DopDB' column.
-Rate a file on the iPod and do a 'Rewrite database' (not a sync). Check if the rating persists on the iPod.


I'll give that a shot thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sdk83 on 2010-06-10 14:39:31
Fantastic plugin. I have now started to experiment with syncing podcasts. I have used information on the forums so that they now appear in the 'podcast' section of the ipod library but I am having an issue on getting them to list in a controlled order. Does anyone know how the ipod orders podcasts? Does it apply its own tag within the library which is unavailable using foo_dop? Is there a way I can remap DATE to it? I ask as all the podcasts are listed as 'release date unknown' and I am guessing this is what's causing the issue. It seems they are random at the moment, maybe the order they were synced, certainly not filename? I appreciate this involves lots of variables from the original podcast to how the podcatching plugin is set up but any help would be fantastic.

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-11 22:53:34
Hi,

Release date is used to sort them, and there is no internal mapping in iPod manager that sets this (and you've reminded me about that ). I'll change it for the next version; it'll check both RELEASE DATE and DATE (fields as shown in foobar2000) as that's what I found to be in use.

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TacticalSanta on 2010-06-12 02:35:04
Can you take the music from your ipod/iphone with this and save it to your computer?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: randal1013 on 2010-06-12 03:22:02
^yes. just load the ipod library, then use file ops to copy the files to the hard drive.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TacticalSanta on 2010-06-12 03:47:37
^yes. just load the ipod library, then use file ops to copy the files to the hard drive.


could you please explain what file ops is?
Is it a component?

nvm I figured it out!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: osleek on 2010-06-13 10:50:42
Hi!

I'm a newbie to foobar and its plugins, but i have to use them to  scrobble tracks played on my ipod nano 5G to last.fm service. I use fb2k+foo_dop+foo+audioscrobbler combination because any other method doesn't work for new gen ipod. 
Generally this combination works fine, it grabs data from "Play counts" file, successfully transfers it to last.fm server BUT with very nasty exception. In few words: i ve noticed that if i played 1 album repeatedly 2 or more times foo_dop will discover that i played each track only once.

For example - i have 1 album with six tracks (say - "A","B","C","D","E","F"), three minutes length each, and play it from beginning in "repeat" mode. Let's say that I play 10 tracks starting at 3:00 pm.

In reality i will have playlist like this:

1. "A" - 3:03 pm
2. "B" - 3:06 pm
3. "C" - 3:09 pm
4. "D" - 3:12 pm
5. "E" - 3:15 pm
6. "F" - 3:18 pm
7. "A" - 3:21 pm
8. "B" - 3:24 pm
9. "C" - 3:27 pm
10. "D" - 3:30 pm

But foo_dop will rewrite database and find that i played only 6 tracks and foo_audioscrobbler will send to last.fm server the highlighted with "bold" data.
In other words - if i play any track more than one time foo_dop will say that i played it only once (the time will be equal to the last playing of this track).

If you need sample files "Play Counts", "dopdb" etc, feel free to ask - i'll post it here.
Hope you will fix this issue.
PS - all plugin versions are up to date
PPS - sorry for my english
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-13 15:13:15
It's not iPod manager's fault, more of a last.fm restriction. See [a href='index.php?act=findpost&pid=666485']here[/a], I think that was the latest on it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: osleek on 2010-06-13 16:07:03
It's not iPod manager's fault, more of a last.fm restriction. See [a href='index.php?act=findpost&pid=666485']here[/a], I think that was the latest on it.




too bad. but i think its more of ipod software problem, than last.fm restictions

last.fm client + itunes combination works weirdly for me. sometimes it sees just nothing, sometimes it sees a smallest part of played tracks. And last.fm developers don't care about complaints. 

isn't there any solution?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sdk83 on 2010-06-14 11:31:00
Hi,

Release date is used to sort them, and there is no internal mapping in iPod manager that sets this (and you've reminded me about that ). I'll change it for the next version; it'll check both RELEASE DATE and DATE (fields as shown in foobar2000) as that's what I found to be in use.

Thanks


That's great news. Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2010-06-14 11:37:30
It's not iPod manager's fault, more of a last.fm restriction. See [a href='index.php?act=findpost&pid=666485']here[/a], I think that was the latest on it.




too bad. but i think its more of ipod software problem, than last.fm restictions

last.fm client + itunes combination works weirdly for me. sometimes it sees just nothing, sometimes it sees a smallest part of played tracks. And last.fm developers don't care about complaints. 

isn't there any solution?

If I recall correctly, iPods will record every play properly, with the date of each play. If you've got one of these (http://www.lastpod.org/wiki/IpodSupport) models, LastPod should be able to scrobble all your plays, IIRC.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jugdish on 2010-06-15 11:01:53
I have just recently changed the Artist field mapping in the foo_dop preferences, and I'd like to apply the change to all of the tracks that are already on my ipod. I've tried doing "iPod > Rewrite database" but this doesn't update the artist names. How can I apply the change without having to re-copy every single song back onto the ipod?

I'm using foo_dop 0.6.7.8 + 2nd gen iPod Touch
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NinjaN on 2010-06-16 10:31:39
Time for another feature request:


I think I remember you already implemented it, but disabled it because of another user's request...

Could you make sorting of playlists an option, please?

I have named my playlist in alphabetical order, but everytime I sync with foobar, the order is seemingly randomized. I have to start iTunes for it to re-order my playlists. I have not yet found out what pattern foo_dop uses for ordering but it certainly is not the one I want...

Thanks in advance!


Cheers, NinjaN
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: osleek on 2010-06-16 11:41:25
If I recall correctly, iPods will record every play properly, with the date of each play. If you've got one of these (http://www.lastpod.org/wiki/IpodSupport) models, LastPod should be able to scrobble all your plays, IIRC.


I have Nano 5G and it is not supported
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-16 23:08:55
I have just recently changed the Artist field mapping in the foo_dop preferences, and I'd like to apply the change to all of the tracks that are already on my ipod. I've tried doing "iPod > Rewrite database" but this doesn't update the artist names. How can I apply the change without having to re-copy every single song back onto the ipod?

I'm using foo_dop 0.6.7.8 + 2nd gen iPod Touch
It does say right on the preferences page and there are also instructions on the help page (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:database#metadata)..

Could you make sorting of playlists an option, please?
Well, I'm aware, but I'll get it out of the way for the next version.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NinjaN on 2010-06-17 06:51:05
Could you make sorting of playlists an option, please?
Well, I'm aware, but I'll get it out of the way for the next version.


Thank you very much, sir!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pickaxe on 2010-06-17 11:23:16
Does anyone know if this plugin works with iOS 4.0? Unfortunately I don't have the means to see for myself.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-06-17 11:25:05
Does anyone know if this plugin works with iOS 4.0? Unfortunately I don't have the means to see for myself.

...and iTunes 9.2 for that matter?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2010-06-17 11:25:31
Does anyone know if this plugin works with iOS 4.0? Unfortunately I don't have the means to see for myself.


iOS 4 and iPhone 4 are not supported.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-17 12:40:57
...and iTunes 9.2 for that matter?
iTunes 9.2 seems fine.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pickaxe on 2010-06-18 15:18:43
Just a heads up - I am using iPod touch 2G on firmware 4.0 GM and syncing works with foo_dop.

Note that I have the new AppleMobileDeviceSupport (9.2) installed (and, though it's probably irrelevant, the iPod is Jailbroken)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-18 17:25:23
OK, I suppose they've restricted the new protection mechanisms to certain devices only. I'll do some investigating. Can you PM me the output of Shift + File/iPod/Raw properties (both windows)?

I think there still might be some issues with artwork though, not sure if that's device dependant.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-19 21:50:01
Hi,

Thanks for sending those.

I stuck the build on my iPod touch 3G with similar results, perhaps only iPhone 4 will be a problem then. We will see..

However there are some database related changes I am looking into, so I still won't advise using iPod manager and iOS 4 together for the moment.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-06-20 12:06:45
I stuck the build on my iPod touch 3G with similar results, perhaps only iPhone 4 will be a problem then. We will see..

However there are some database related changes I am looking into, so I still won't advise using iPod manager and iOS 4 together for the moment.


This is awesome news. I'll be waiting for jailbroken iPhone 4, and I realise there's still no guarantee of its working, but I'm hopeful
Oh - and will be happy to help with any debugging etc if necessary.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-21 00:00:19
Let's hope there are no surprises with the official build tomorrow. There are a few database related things I need to work out, but I've made good progress with those.

Oh, and setting British English as the language creates some issues with the music player in this build, someone confused "en_GB" with "en_UK" it seems...  Let us hope that is fixed for the official build.......
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ntegra on 2010-06-21 06:56:09
Having a lyric problem that I honestly can't figure out, mainly due to my lack of knowledge with coding and playing with foobar intensely.

I've done some searching in this topic but I've found no solution to my problem so I'll ask directly... to my knowledge, my lyrics are tagged appropriately, but why are the lyrics showing up incorrectly on my iPod Touch 1G? (Software version 1.1.5 (4B1))

I do have to say that this component is simply amazing. It syncs songs faster and is 100% accurate with album artwork and doesn't freeze like iTunes will. Anyway, I took a screenshot of what I have for a lyric panel on one of my songs, and a picture of what the lyrics show up as on my iPod touch.  Any help is appreciated. Again, if you can explain any solutions or troubleshooting tips, do it like you were to explain them to a caveman...

OS: Windows 7
foobar2k 1.0.1
foo_dop v0.6.7.8
iPod touch OS 1.1.5

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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-21 07:55:02
Hi,

I guess that is an iPhone OS version that had issues with ID3v2.4 tags. Try "ID3v2 writer compatibility mode" in the advanced preferences page. (Then retag the file and resync).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: KnightBaron on 2010-06-21 14:26:36
With iOS 4 release just around the corner, Do you plan on supporting iOS 4 soon since this is a deal-breaker for me to update to the new OS. (I don't jailbreak)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ntegra on 2010-06-22 04:59:37
Hi,

I guess that is an iPhone OS version that had issues with ID3v2.4 tags. Try "ID3v2 writer compatibility mode" in the advanced preferences page. (Then retag the file and resync).


Dude thanks a shit ton, as simple as it was, that worked out lol.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-06-22 07:57:41
FYI, I didn't experience any trouble using foo_dop with iOS 4
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Degenx2 on 2010-06-22 08:09:08
Hi, I'm having a problem with the iPod manager for foobar. It won't recognise my iPod, giving me this error in console:

iPod manager: Error intialising Mobile Device support: Failed to load iTunesMobileDevice.dll - The specified module could not be found. 

However I'm sure I've got the Apple Mobile Device Support installed because iTunes can sync with the iPod fine.

I'm using an iPod Touch 2G with 2.2.1 OS.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: monoik on 2010-06-22 15:25:54
Hi all, I want to report to you that I managed to sync music to iphone 3g running iOS4. When I synced 1 album, it synced great with artwork and all. But when I tried to send 460 files, my iphone crashed. The files are there but there are no artworks. I didn't change any files after upgrading to ios4. My dop version is 0.6.7.4, f2k 1.0, Win7 64, iTunes 9.2
Relevant info for you, MusicMusic:)
Code: [Select]
Model: iPhone 3G
Model Number: MB489
Hardware Model Number: N82AP

Software Version: 4.0
Software Build: 8A293
Firmware Version: iBoot-889.24
Baseband Bootloader Version: 5.9_M3S2
Baseband Version: 05.13.04
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-22 18:08:00
With iOS 4 release just around the corner, Do you plan on supporting iOS 4 soon since this is a deal-breaker for me to update to the new OS. (I don't jailbreak)
FYI, I didn't experience any trouble using foo_dop with iOS 4
Hi all, I want to report to you that I managed to sync music to iphone 3g running iOS4. When I synced 1 album, it synced great with artwork and all. But when I tried to send 460 files, my iphone crashed. The files are there but there are no artworks. I didn't change any files after upgrading to ios4. My dop version is 0.6.7.4, f2k 1.0, Win7 64, iTunes 9.2
Relevant info for you, MusicMusic:)
Hi,
The current version might have some issues, a new version is coming up shortly just after I've done some more testing

Hi, I'm having a problem with the iPod manager for foobar. It won't recognise my iPod, giving me this error in console:

iPod manager: Error intialising Mobile Device support: Failed to load iTunesMobileDevice.dll - The specified module could not be found. 

However I'm sure I've got the Apple Mobile Device Support installed because iTunes can sync with the iPod fine.

I'm using an iPod Touch 2G with 2.2.1 OS.
Make sure you have the latest version of iPod manager installed, also what version of iTunes is that?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-22 20:26:57
iPod manager 0.6.8.0 released.

iOS 4 should work with iPod touch second/third gen and iPhone 3G/3GS. I am not expecting compatibility with iPhone 4.

I am aware that on-device playlist editing is not working, but do let me know if there are any other new features needing support.

(I didn't add DATE RELEASED and playlist sorting support for this version, sorry, I'll add them in one of the next versions.)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: exnomendei on 2010-06-23 00:24:03
iPod manager 0.6.8.0 released.

iOS 4 should work with iPod touch second/third gen and iPhone 3G/3GS. I am not expecting compatibility with iPhone 4.

I am aware that on-device playlist editing is not working, but do let me know if there are any other new features needing support.

(I didn't add DATE RELEASED and playlist sorting support for this version, sorry, I'll add them in one of the next versions.)


iPhone 3GS with 4.0 (and jailbreak) not recognized by Foobar at all. iTunes recognizes it normally. Mobile devices support has been enabled.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-23 07:50:32
Can you post the console (View/Console) output?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: haazetzet on 2010-06-23 15:27:08
hi. Does anybody know whether the palm pre works with this plug-in?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pickaxe on 2010-06-23 17:40:46
I had no problems with 6.7.9 on a 2nd generation iPod touch, but 6.8.0 made the iPod crash and reboot itself halfway through (without stopping the syncing process!)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-23 17:51:56
Hi,

Nothing special should really be happening on the device in the middle of a sync (it's just copying files); only when the sync finishes does the device start doing stuff. So it is a bit odd. Are you saying the iPod fully rebooted?

Can you keep the system log open (Shift + File/iPod/System log viewer) and try again - if it happens again PM me the output.

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rekees on 2010-06-24 16:15:41
Hi,

Nothing special should really be happening on the device in the middle of a sync (it's just copying files); only when the sync finishes does the device start doing stuff. So it is a bit odd. Are you saying the iPod fully rebooted?

Can you keep the system log open (Shift + File/iPod/System log viewer) and try again - if it happens again PM me the output.

Thanks


Happened to me aswell at copying the folder artwork.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2010-06-24 17:27:28
Hi,

Nothing special should really be happening on the device in the middle of a sync (it's just copying files); only when the sync finishes does the device start doing stuff. So it is a bit odd. Are you saying the iPod fully rebooted?

Can you keep the system log open (Shift + File/iPod/System log viewer) and try again - if it happens again PM me the output.

Thanks


Happened to me aswell at copying the folder artwork.


Same thing happened to me, updating artwork.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-24 20:42:56
I guess it is tripping up on some I/O command then.. but surely it is some bug on the device's side.

Was it as soon as it started copying artwork, or in the middle of copying artwork?

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-24 22:17:09
I tried quite hard but I could not make my 3rd gen iPod touch reboot during a sync.

Can those of you with the problem confirm your model and jailbreak status? Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2010-06-24 22:54:40
It rebooted when Foobar2k appeared to have stalled performing an "Update artwork" operation. It was not reproducible when I made a second attempt. I have a 3G and did a recovery mode restore to iOS4 with no jailbreak.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-24 23:42:05
OK, if it semi-reliably happens then the system log (as above) would be good (open it before you run the command). If that doesn't reveal anything then I'll make a build with some file I/O logging...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2010-06-25 01:02:21
This is probably a very stupid question (and may well have been answered before), but I would be able to use this plugin to read my iPod library and hard-write ReplayGain to the files on the iPod without having to rewrite the library again, correct?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fireblade on 2010-06-25 07:38:41
I just updated my iphone 3GS to iOS 4.0 and updated to 0.6.8, but I can't get it to work.  I tried to sync four playlists I have with many overlapping songs, but it wanted to add them all separately (the confirmation window said it would add 7500 songs when it should've been only 3500).  Then I tried simply sending one playlist.  It got about 800 songs in, then just stopped.  The status bar never updated beyond that point.  The iphone didn't crash - it said "Sync In Progress" the whole time.

Here's the system log from my session: System Log (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1582410/IphoneSystemLog.txt)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-25 12:50:30
This is probably a very stupid question (and may well have been answered before), but I would be able to use this plugin to read my iPod library and hard-write ReplayGain to the files on the iPod without having to rewrite the library again, correct?
Not sure what you mean, you can use 'Load library' and then ReplayGain scan the files or edit the RG values, yes, but to get the changes into the iPod's database you'll need to then use 'Update metadata'.

(the confirmation window said it would add 7500 songs when it should've been only 3500).
It's just an issue with the preview but thanks for reminding me, as long as they are really the same file they will only be copied once.

Then I tried simply sending one playlist.  It got about 800 songs in, then just stopped.  The status bar never updated beyond that point.  The iphone didn't crash - it said "Sync In Progress" the whole time.
What did you do then and how long did you wait? Were there any transcodes in the sync?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zim2411 on 2010-06-25 17:58:46
Is there an ETA on iPhone 4 compatibility?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-25 23:24:19
I put up version 0.6.8.1 - I took my best guess at what might be causing the iOS 4 reboot-on-artwork-copying (on iPhone 3G/second gen iPod touch ?) and tried to avoid it.

Is there an ETA on iPhone 4 compatibility?
I expect (have not confirmed though) that it uses the newer database signing mechanism that is currently used on the iPad - if it does then I wouldn't expect anything soon...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zim2411 on 2010-06-26 04:30:33
I expect (have not confirmed though) that it uses the newer database signing mechanism that is currently used on the iPad - if it does then I wouldn't expect anything soon...


Ah okay, I guess I'll sync with iTunes and keep an eye on updates. Keep up the awesome work!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rekees on 2010-06-26 05:18:27
I put up version 0.6.8.1 - I took my best guess at what might be causing the iOS 4 reboot-on-artwork-copying (on iPhone 3G/second gen iPod touch ?) and tried to avoid it.

Is there an ETA on iPhone 4 compatibility?
I expect (have not confirmed though) that it uses the newer database signing mechanism that is currently used on the iPad - if it does then I wouldn't expect anything soon...


Yep, iPod second gen, MB model, ill test the new update later
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-26 09:55:28
Ah okay, I guess I'll sync with iTunes and keep an eye on updates. Keep up the awesome work!
If you have one can you send (PM) me the ouput from Shift + File/iPod/Raw properties, then I'll know for sure what database signature it is using. Thanks.

[edit] OK, thanks to the person who sent me theirs - and it is in fact using the newer signature type, so sadly there won't be any support for now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fireblade on 2010-06-26 19:01:28
What did you do then and how long did you wait? Were there any transcodes in the sync?


I just stopped it at the time.  There were no transcodes - it was all MP3 files.

I tried this again, this time using sync.  I left it on overnight, thinking maybe I had just canceled it too quickly.  It was syncing a total of 3285 files (no transcodes).  This morning, after 8 hours, it is still updating the gapless information for files (it's about halfway done).  It used to take about an hour to do this at most.  Any idea?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-06-26 23:30:53
Not sure, possibly some USB communication issues - you could try connecting to a different USB controller, updating motherboard BIOS, turning iPhone off/on, ...

Actually scratch that, updating gapless data will only read from the source files if you are adding files and there are no transcodes. Have you checked task manager etc., maybe something is hogging the CPU or disk?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Kevin Sartori on 2010-07-07 16:12:00
Hey!  I just recently bought a 32GB iPod touch and was having issues getting foo_dop to use the Album Artist tag as Artist and to get my compilation albums to show up on the touch that way.  The music and album art (folder.jpg files) were transferring fine.

iTunes 9.0.2.61
iPod Touch 4.0 firmware

I use Mp3Tag to tag all of my MP3 files and it turns out that it uses the BAND metadata tag for Album Artist.  I'm not sure how common this is, but it's recognized fine by XBMC as well.  I'm really just posting here in case someone else is having this problem.

In foobar2000, go to File --> Preferences, then down to Tools --> iPod Manager and change the following fields:

Artist
[%band%]

Album Artist
[%band%]

Title
[%track artist% - ][%title%]

Compilation
$if($stricmp($meta(band),Various Artists),1,%ipod_compilation%)

It could be that this is covered elsewhere in this thread, if so, I apologize!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Kevin Sartori on 2010-07-07 18:46:00
Quick update.  I just realized that with the above, on compilations the Artist was showing up as "Various Artists", but the Title was just showing the song title.  This didn't work for me:

Title
[%track artist% - ][%title%]

But this does:

Title
[%artist% - ][%title%]

The only thing is, now when I listen to a normal (single artist) album,  I'll see for instance:

The Police
The Police - Spirits in the Material World
Ghost in the Machine

I noticed that the author of iPod manager allows scripts to be used in the metadata fields.  Is there a way to compose a script for Title to check for one of two outcomes:

--
If Artist and Album Artist are different, show Title as
[%artist% - ][%title%]

or

If Artist and Album Artist are the same, show Title as
[%title%]
--

I'm not a programmer, so I'm sorry if my wording is confusing, but I have no idea if this is even possible.  If not, showing the artist's name twice (in the Artist field and as part of the Title field) isn't the end of the world, but it would be cool if it could avoided on non-compilations.  It also occurs to me (though I haven't checked yet) that the tracks might not scrobble correctly at Last.fm with the artist in the title field.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2010-07-07 19:46:05
If Artist and Album Artist are different, show Title as
[%artist% - ][%title%]

or

If Artist and Album Artist are the same, show Title as
[%title%]

$if($stricmp(%album artist%,%artist%),%title%,[%artist% - ]%title%)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Kevin Sartori on 2010-07-07 20:32:56
Thanks, Leak!  I was going backwards in the thread to see if I could figure out a way to do this myself.  Slow day at work!

As I don't rip my music with iTunes, I don't have a %IPOD_COMPILATION% tag in my MP3 files, so I couldn't use any of the suggestions from earlier in the thread.  Looking at the examples, though, I figured out how to get a similar result by checking if the %BAND% tag was set to Various Artists:

$if($stricmp($meta(band),Various Artists),%artist% - %title%,%title%)

Your script is better, though, because this way tracks with additional guest artist(s) will show them in the Title field.

Thanks!  And sorry I polluted the thread with my junk!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2010-07-08 14:24:06
Is there any way of updating ID-tags on my Ipod whithout recompressing (I have many flac-files on my PC) and retransfering after having changed id-tags on my PC?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: toxicrat2 on 2010-07-09 04:06:27
bit of trouble syncing my ipod with foobar.

when I press synchronize it puts all the music on my ipod fine, and it all works, but it is not sorted into albums. all there is is artist then the songs are scattered in there sorted by track number, every song in all the artist's albums are in one spot...


maybe i explained that bad...
how do you sort items before they sync?





(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7664/foobarproblem.jpg)







EDIT: here's a more clear explanation with a screenshot.

when i open file>ipod>manage contents it shows there is no data for albums.
however clearly i have data in the album field as shown by my library and the mp3tags on my secondary display
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ctkatz on 2010-07-10 21:10:42
feature request:

i know in the ml_ipod winamp plugin (not the official one) it had the ability to create bookmarks for long files, an automatic chapter after x minutes.  do you think it would be possible to add this feature into this plugin as well?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-07-11 22:54:48
I've released version 0.6.8.2 with the date released and playlist sorting changes previously mentioned.

Yep, iPod second gen, MB model, ill test the new update later
Is it alright now then?

Is there any way of updating ID-tags on my Ipod whithout recompressing (I have many flac-files on my PC) and retransfering after having changed id-tags on my PC?
Basically, no. Why do your tags change so often?


You need to check the track properties in foobar2000 rather than Mp3tag.

i know in the ml_ipod winamp plugin (not the official one) it had the ability to create bookmarks for long files, an automatic chapter after x minutes.  do you think it would be possible to add this feature into this plugin as well?
Not at this time, sorry..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2010-07-13 02:31:44
Thanks for the continued updates.  0.6.8.2 is working great with my 3GS running iOS4.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fireblade on 2010-07-16 02:19:27
I still don't get any artwork since I upgrade to iOS 4.0.  The artwork shows up fine in Foobar, but not on the phone.  I tried deleting songs and re-adding them as well as loading up the library, selecting the song, and going to iPod->Update artwork.  Nothing seems to work.

Anyone else having this issue?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-07-16 12:14:27
First check if there is a 'Yes' in the Artwork column in Manage contents for those tracks. If there isn't it would suggest some problem finding the artwork (i.e. incorrect settings).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Mad Chemist on 2010-07-17 00:14:14
Any chance of getting per iPod settings. I sync four iPods and they all get different playlists, conversions, etc. Trying to remember what each should be is a bit of a pain.

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fireblade on 2010-07-17 04:50:38
The Artwork column in Manage Contents is blank.

I have my iPod Features option "Additionally use foobar2000 built-in artwork reader" checked.  I thought that meant it would use the art I already set up in Foobar using title formatting (through ColumnsUI).  Did I misinterpret this?  I have a couple formatting strings because of the way I store it, so I couldn't fit it all in the "Source Script" field.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-07-17 13:23:30
I thought that meant it would use the art I already set up in Foobar using title formatting (through ColumnsUI).  Did I misinterpret this?
Yes sounds like it - it refers to the foobar2000 core's reader rather than Column UI's - you can specify the settings for it on the "Display" preferences page in foobar2000 1.0 and newer.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: inglourious on 2010-07-20 04:49:38
Hi, first off nice work on the plugin! Works great.

Question, is there anyway to have synched songs Artists changed to whatever they have for Album Artist? This would be a godsend for me!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-07-20 08:37:40
Sure, just use the remappings (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#how_can_i_make_my_ipod_display_album_artists_in_place_of_track_artists).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: inglourious on 2010-07-20 12:17:55
Thanks that did the trick!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shakey_snake on 2010-07-21 00:57:57
Are you going to host this and your other components on the official components site to take advantage of the new updater?

I hadn't even realized my foo_dop was a few version behind.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-07-21 18:24:20
Probably not.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: watercolor on 2010-07-23 17:01:06
Is there plan of update to support iPad/iPhone 4?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-07-23 18:37:33
Hi,

Well it is this whole business of database signing. I know a few people seem to have worked it out but sadly I do not belong to that elusive club. So there is no definite answer, but we'll probably get there eventually.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nemphael on 2010-07-23 18:48:11
Just a small request - could you make the progress bar more... describing? Or add another one  for each task? It's usually /stuck/ on the task it's currently performing, which is either "Removing files" or "Copying files (x of y left)".
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: telliott on 2010-07-24 19:30:25
I am getting the following error when trying to send tracks to my iPod "SQLite command failed: PRIMARY KEY must be unique".  I'm running Foobar2000 1.1 beta 1.

Thanks.  I couldn't find any info by searching.

Tim
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-07-24 22:51:49
Just a small request - could you make the progress bar more... describing? Or add another one  for each task? It's usually /stuck/ on the task it's currently performing, which is either "Removing files" or "Copying files (x of y left)".
I'll keep it in mind.

I am getting the following error when trying to send tracks to my iPod "SQLite command failed: PRIMARY KEY must be unique".  I'm running Foobar2000 1.1 beta 1.
Have you been using any other third party iPod managers? Anyway the database is broken; looks like something has assigned the same ID to multiple tracks. I would just do a restore at this point (other than that removing all tracks and resending them should sort it).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: telliott on 2010-07-25 01:49:57
Have you been using any other third party iPod managers? Anyway the database is broken; looks like something has assigned the same ID to multiple tracks. I would just do a restore at this point (other than that removing all tracks and resending them should sort it).

I have been using MediaMonkey to manage my iPod.  I need to become more familiar with Foobar before making the switch.  I need to figure out how FB handles auto playlists and saved playlists

Thanks,
Tim
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: silkcut on 2010-07-27 17:01:06
Hi.  I posted this in the foo_audioscrobbler thread but was directed here by Fangs404. Is there any possibility of a feature that remembers previously synced iPods?  Thanks musicmusic.

Hello.  Is there a way to disable scrobbling on a specific iPod?  I use this plugin in conjunction with foo_dop in order to scrobble my iPod tracks.  However, when I connect my wife's iPod to transfer music, her tracks get scrobbled as well.  I would prefer not to have tracks on her iPod scroblled.  Thanks Florian.

I can tell you that the current answer is no.  What would need to happen is that foo_dop would need to remember all previously synced iPods.  If this were done, Florian's plugin could be updated to select the iPod(s) to allow scrobbling.  So basically, you need to ask the foo_dop developer.

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2010-07-27 18:23:30
Hi.

I just upgraded to 0.6.8.2 and now on foobar startup I receive the following message:
Code: [Select]
iPod manager: Failed to query registry for Apple Application Support directory - Impossibile trovare il file specificato.(*)
(*)Unable to find the specified file (more or less).

Nothing relevant in the console, AFAICS; and the previous version was working fine, of course.

Thanks for any suggestion.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-07-27 22:28:56
Hi.  I posted this in the foo_audioscrobbler thread but was directed here by Fangs404. Is there any possibility of a feature that remembers previously synced iPods?  Thanks musicmusic.
I'll think about it.

I just upgraded to 0.6.8.2 and now on foobar startup I receive the following message:
Looks like you don't have Apple Application Support installed, recent versions removed the Quicktime fallback. Try (re)installing Apple Application Support.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pmj1989 on 2010-07-27 23:22:39
Hello musicmusic,

Thank you for your awesome plugin!

Future request:

Could you provide an option to perform synchronisation in "Quiet mode" when the only action is adding new files to iPod (i.e. no files are removed from the device)? Have you thought about this?

Regards
pmj
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gregkwaste on 2010-07-28 16:46:12
I am getting this error every time i am trying to remove songs from the ipod.....
Quote
Error reading iTunesDB : I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 2 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesCDB

i reset all foobar settings and then retried and everything was ok, then i reconnected my device and the problem is still here...... Sometimes i try first to import songs and everything goes right, then if i try to remove a song the error occurs and after that i can't do noting with the ipod (i get other errors...) :/


Btw really thanks for your effort in this plugin its great
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-07-28 17:46:05
Could you provide an option to perform synchronisation in "Quiet mode" when the only action is adding new files to iPod (i.e. no files are removed from the device)? Have you thought about this?
Hi,
I do see where you are coming from but I'm not too sure on the necessity. I'll think about it but also I'll probably rename the option to something sane.

I am getting this error every time i am trying to remove songs from the ipod.....
Quote
Error reading iTunesDB : I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 2 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesCDB

i reset all foobar settings and then retried and everything was ok, then i reconnected my device and the problem is still here...... Sometimes i try first to import songs and everything goes right, then if i try to remove a song the error occurs and after that i can't do noting with the ipod (i get other errors...) :/

Btw really thanks for your effort in this plugin its great
Hi,
That is a protocol related error, so that is mighty suspicious. It won't be anything directly to do with the component, but there is a large number of things it could be. First can you give me some information about your set-up i.e. iTunes version, iOS version, motherboard and then I'll suggest some things.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gregkwaste on 2010-07-28 21:52:54
Could you provide an option to perform synchronisation in "Quiet mode" when the only action is adding new files to iPod (i.e. no files are removed from the device)? Have you thought about this?
Hi,
I do see where you are coming from but I'm not too sure on the necessity. I'll think about it but also I'll probably rename the option to something sane.

I am getting this error every time i am trying to remove songs from the ipod.....
Quote
Error reading iTunesDB : I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 2 Path was: /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesCDB

i reset all foobar settings and then retried and everything was ok, then i reconnected my device and the problem is still here...... Sometimes i try first to import songs and everything goes right, then if i try to remove a song the error occurs and after that i can't do noting with the ipod (i get other errors...) :/

Btw really thanks for your effort in this plugin its great
Hi,
That is a protocol related error, so that is mighty suspicious. It won't be anything directly to do with the component, but there is a large number of things it could be. First can you give me some information about your set-up i.e. iTunes version, iOS version, motherboard and then I'll suggest some things.


Of course i can, first of all my ipod is an Mc Model 2G (it must be 2G cause its the 8gb version...) with ios4 installed. Itunes version is 9.2.1.4 and i have an asus p5k mobo. I am running windows 7 with foobar 1.0.3

I found a workaround to import and export songs to the ipod with playlist sychronizing, but still if i try to do smthn manually the problems start.....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-07-28 23:57:48
The only relevant difference between 'Sync' and 'Remove files' is that the former checks if a database exists; if not it creates a new one..

So does say 'Load library' trigger the error? Can you keep the device system log open (Shift + File/iPod/System log viewer) and trigger the error; what is outputted to the log?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gregkwaste on 2010-07-29 04:44:46
Nope, Load Library always works fine with no error. The error still occurs when trying to remove but in the log viewer there is nothing new reported :S... in the console too... Well there are some errors reported but nothing after trying to remove or update or something....
Here is the output
Quote
Thu Jul 29 06:37:57 unknown SpringBoard[26] <Notice>: MultitouchHID(20af60) uilock state: 1 -> 0
Thu Jul 29 06:37:57 unknown SpringBoard[26] <Notice>: MultitouchHID(225e10) device bootloaded
Thu Jul 29 06:40:41 unknown afcd[575] <Error>: NSDescription="send" NSDebugDescription="Broken pipe" AFCFileLine="570" NSUnderlyingError="32" AFCFileName="platform.c" AFCCode="-402636795" AFCVersion="118.09999999999999"
Thu Jul 29 06:40:41 unknown afcd[575] <Error>: NSDescription="send" NSDebugDescription="Broken pipe" AFCFileLine="570" NSUnderlyingError="32" AFCFileName="platform.c" AFCCode="-402636795" AFCVersion="118.09999999999999"
Thu Jul 29 06:40:41 unknown afcd[575] <Error>: NSDescription="send" NSDebugDescription="Broken pipe" AFCFileLine="570" NSUnderlyingError="32" AFCFileName="platform.c" AFCCode="-402636795" AFCVersion="118.09999999999999"
Thu Jul 29 06:40:41 unknown afcd[575] <Error>: NSDescription="recv" NSDebugDescription="Connection reset by peer" AFCFileLine="483" NSUnderlyingError="54" AFCFileName="platform.c" AFCCode="-402636796" AFCVersion="118.09999999999999"
Thu Jul 29 06:40:41 unknown afcd[575] <Error>: packet read error -402636796, errno 54


Is it possible that the problem is caused by other components?

EDIT:
Here is a successful send to ipod command log:
Quote
Thu Jul 29 06:48:54 iG SpringBoard[26] <Notice>: MultitouchHID(20af60) uilock state: 1 -> 0
Thu Jul 29 06:48:54 iG SpringBoard[26] <Notice>: MultitouchHID(225e10) device bootloaded
Thu Jul 29 06:59:44 iG MobileMusicPlayer[600] <Warning>: *** MLSSqliteVFS AllWrites DISABLED ***
Thu Jul 29 06:59:50 iG SpringBoard[26] <Warning>: MediaPlayer: Message fetchArtworkForSizeValue:item: timed out.
Thu Jul 29 06:59:51 iG SpringBoard[26] <Warning>: ITDBPrepServerPostProcessRun: [BEGIN] looking up itdbprepserver.
Thu Jul 29 06:59:52 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: starting up.
Thu Jul 29 06:59:52 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: acquired iTunes sync file lock.
Thu Jul 29 06:59:52 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: acquired itdbprep file lock.
Thu Jul 29 06:59:52 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: posting com.apple.itdbprep.notification.willBegin
Thu Jul 29 06:59:52 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: BEGIN processing command: com.apple.itdprep.command.runPostProcess
Thu Jul 29 06:59:52 iG SpringBoard[26] <Warning>: ITDBPrepServerPostProcessRun: [-END-] looking up itdbprepserver.  success = 1
Thu Jul 29 06:59:52 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: [BEGIN] ITDBPostProcessController...
Thu Jul 29 06:59:52 iG com.apple.itdbprep.server[605] <Notice>: warning: Could not compile statement SELECT value FROM _SqliteDatabaseProperties WHERE key = ?;: no such table: _SqliteDatabaseProperties
Thu Jul 29 06:59:52 iG com.apple.itdbprep.server[605] <Notice>: warning: Could not compile statement SELECT value FROM _SqliteDatabaseProperties WHERE key = ?;: no such table: _SqliteDatabaseProperties
Thu Jul 29 06:59:52 iG com.apple.itdbprep.server[605] <Notice>: warning: Could not compile statement SELECT value FROM _SqliteDatabaseProperties WHERE key = ?;: no such table: _SqliteDatabaseProperties
Thu Jul 29 06:59:52 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: Skipping iTunes Commands (commands already run).
Thu Jul 29 06:59:53 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: [BEGIN] Post Processing...
Thu Jul 29 06:59:53 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: Running Misc Commands...
Thu Jul 29 06:59:53 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: Running Create Triggers...
Thu Jul 29 06:59:54 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: [-END-] Post Processing.
   
   Stats
      totalMLSITDBPostProcessing=(0.67) 0.670 s
      triggers=0.536 s
      misc=0.103 ss
      icuSort=0.000 ss (MLS_icu_data=0.000 ss, MLS_icu_sec_data=0.000 s, dropIdx=0.000 s, normalize=0.000 s, update_orders=0.000 s, tStatsICUOther1=0.000 s, createIndex=0.000 s)
Thu Jul 29 06:59:54 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: Initializing MusicLibrary and loading purchases...
Thu Jul 29 06:59:54 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: saved file to: /var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/iTunes/GeniusPlaylist_0.plist
Thu Jul 29 06:59:54 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: saved file to: /var/mobile/Media/iTunes_Control/iTunes/OnTheGoPlaylist_1.plist
Thu Jul 29 06:59:54 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: *** STARTING: DB Backup (CREATE-NEW) ***
Thu Jul 29 06:59:55 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: *** FINISHED: DB Backup (CREATE-NEW, time = 0.51s) ***
Thu Jul 29 06:59:55 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: [-END-] ITDBPostProcessController.
   
   Stats
      totalTime=3.04s
      ensureIndices=0.00
      updateSortMap=0.31
Thu Jul 29 06:59:55 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: DONE processing command: com.apple.itdprep.command.runPostProcess
Thu Jul 29 06:59:55 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: Releasing locks.
Thu Jul 29 06:59:55 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: exitServerWithReason com.apple.itdbprep.notification.didEnd
Thu Jul 29 06:59:55 iG itdbprepserver[605] <Warning>: exiting now.
Thu Jul 29 06:59:57 iG MobileMusicPlayer[606] <Warning>: Skipping iTunes Commands (commands already run).
Thu Jul 29 07:00:58 iG SpringBoard[26] <Notice>: MultitouchHID(20af60) uilock state: 0 -> 1
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-07-29 07:50:41
First log looks related.

There aren't really any significant differences between 'Remove files and 'Load library' up until the point they open the database file...

What if you do 'Load library' twice?

If that works, can you make a new clean portable install of foobar2000 and see if that makes any difference.

Also, can you reinstall Apple Mobile Device Support in case some files weren't updated for some reason. Close foobar2000 first.

If it is still happening after all that, can you try uninstalling any software firewalls (if you are using any)?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gregkwaste on 2010-07-29 16:51:02
First log looks related.

There aren't really any significant differences between 'Remove files and 'Load library' up until the point they open the database file...

What if you do 'Load library' twice?

If that works, can you make a new clean portable install of foobar2000 and see if that makes any difference.

Also, can you reinstall Apple Mobile Device Support in case some files weren't updated for some reason. Close foobar2000 first.

If it is still happening after all that, can you try uninstalling any software firewalls (if you are using any)?


Double library load triggered the error :O:O

What should i do in this case
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-07-29 18:02:19
You can still try the last two items.

If you have another computer available can you also try on that, if not try connecting it to a different USB controller (i.e. try different ports) and if they are on the motherboard update to the latest BIOS.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2010-07-31 16:03:48
I just upgraded to 0.6.8.2 and now on foobar startup I receive the following message:
Looks like you don't have Apple Application Support installed, recent versions removed the Quicktime fallback. Try (re)installing Apple Application Support.
Thanks for the reply. I followed your suggestion and now when I connect my iPhone I get
Code: [Select]
Error querying UDID.
Should I install Apple Mobile Device Support too?

Regards.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-07-31 16:45:55
Yes, update AMDS too.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2010-07-31 18:10:22
Yes, update AMDS too.
It worked! Thanks.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-08-03 12:06:50
Dear musicmusic,
I now have a jailbroken iPhone 4. Anything I can possibly do to help cracking this damn iTunes database signing palaver?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-08-03 21:58:55
Hi,
My hope was that decrementing the DBVersion in /System/Library/Lockdown/Checkpoint.xml to 4 would work but I think they have closed that loophole. You are welcome to try though, after making the change restart the device and check what is reported in the foobar2000 console.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ben Laserlove on 2010-08-03 23:37:16
Please, I need a lil' bit of help. This is driving me mad.

I have a Second Gen iPod Touch with iOS 4, and it works great. I would like to make sure that every track with the album name "[non-album tracks]" should have the same album artist, ie "Various Artists" so that I can easily find them under the same album.

How do I make it work through tag remappings and the such?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aletaziar on 2010-08-04 01:34:38
Code: [Select]
$if($strcmp(%album%,'['non-album tracks']'),Various Artists)

Put that in the album artist field of iPod Manager's options.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ben Laserlove on 2010-08-04 01:52:34
Code: [Select]
$if($strcmp(%album%,'['non-album tracks']'),Various Artists)

Put that in the album artist field of iPod Manager's options.

Oh, I was near! You cracked the code though, thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-08-04 03:00:51
Hi,
My hope was that decrementing the DBVersion in /System/Library/Lockdown/Checkpoint.xml to 4 would work but I think they have closed that loophole. You are welcome to try though, after making the change restart the device and check what is reported in the foobar2000 console.


Um... that worked perfectly! I'm in raptures right now 
There are some warnings in the console:
Code: [Select]
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: is_itunes_u
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: no such function: iPhoneSortKey
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: no such function: iPhoneSortKey
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: no such function: iPhoneSortKey
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: no such function: iPhoneSortKey
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: no such function: iPhoneSortKey
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: no such function: iPhoneSortKey
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: no such function: iPhoneSortKey
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: no such function: iPhoneSortKey
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: no such function: iPhoneSortKey
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: no such function: iPhoneSortKey
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: no such function: iPhoneSortKey
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: no such function: iPhoneSortKey
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: no such function: iPhoneSortSection
iPod manager: Generate SQLite database completed in 0.2412306 s
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Soviet Commissar on 2010-08-04 04:23:17
So, I realize I'm hardly contributing to the discussion, but something's been niggling at me for a while - is there any way to rename an iPod?  I've noticed that when recovering tracks, among other operations, the iPod is named after your Windows username, and this is not particularly ideal, though it's no more than an inconvenience.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-08-04 08:01:06
Um... that worked perfectly! I'm in raptures right now 
OK  It may or may not also work with an iPad, but it looks like that has a high-res JPEG artwork format which I would need to add support for anyway.

I do also have an ugly solution for non-jailbroken devices (better than nothing I think), but can someone with an iPhone 4 or iPad (that hasn't touched DBVersion) send me a backup of their iTunesCDB and also their UDID?

There are some warnings in the console:
Update to latest iPod manager and those will go away (bar the is_itunes_u one).

is there any way to rename an iPod?
No  You can do it with iTunes, though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Scidd0w on 2010-08-04 13:25:21
Im trying to get a working parameter set for the Helix mp3 encoder in the iPod manager. But I'm failing at it.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?

The version of the Helix encoder I use can be found here (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=35540).
Im using the top compile but I don't think that it matters which you use.

I want to use something like this in the parameter field but I keep getting errors:
-V100 -X2 -SBT450 -TX0 -HF2 - %d
I also tried the simpler:
-V100 - %d and - %d -V100

The suggested parameters for the lame encoder work fine but I would like to use Helix on this system.
Am I doing something wrong?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-08-05 01:46:09
Um... that worked perfectly! I'm in raptures right now 
OK  It may or may not also work with an iPad, but it looks like that has a high-res JPEG artwork format which I would need to add support for anyway.


By the way, there is an artwork issue: all the thumbnails that the iPod app now shows next to each album in, say, an Artist listing page, are out of whack. It pushed diagonally, as if each horizontal line is shifted left by a pixel or something.
Also, given the Retina display on the iPhone 4, there may be a higher-res artwork format that could work for it too?

Anyway, it looks lovely regardless, and works absolutely fine as far as I can see.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-08-05 07:57:54
Hi,
It does have higher-res formats but still stored as uncompressed RGB555 rather than JPEG. Anyway the problem looks to be row byte alignment (it is 16-byte here), I'll put out a new build to fix it.

Thanks for the report.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Scidd0w on 2010-08-05 21:24:14
Im trying to get a working parameter set for the Helix mp3 encoder in the iPod manager. But I'm failing at it.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
...
I still cant get it to work with the iPod manager.
When using the below parameters in the foobar2000 converter everything works fine.
- %d -V120 -X2 -SBT450 -TX0 -HF2
See the console output below:
Code: [Select]
CLI encoder: C:\Program Files (x86)\foobar2000\utils\Helix\hmp3enc.exe
Destination file: Y:\Music\Homemade\even\01 - Arcade Fire - The Suburbs.mp3
Encoder stream format: 44100Hz / 2ch / 16bps
Command line: "C:\Program Files (x86)\foobar2000\utils\Helix\hmp3enc.exe" - "01 - Arcade Fire - The Suburbs.mp3" -V90 -X2 -SBT450 -TX0 -HF2
Working folder: Y:\Music\Homemade\even\
Encoder process still running, waiting...
Encoder process terminated cleanly.
Track converted successfully.
Total encoding time: 0:22.433, 14.05x realtime

But when I use the same parameters in the iPod manager it ends after some time (it seems to be encoding something) with the following error:
Failed to add file to iPod: Conversion failed - Unexpected process exit code 00002F2Ah
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-08-05 22:49:32
For whatever reason it returns the number of frames as the process exit code; iPod manager will only accept 0 as the exit code and hence assumes it failed. Besides, you will lose gapless playback support using it, I would just stick to LAME or Nero AAC.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-08-06 02:25:41
Hi musicmusic,
I have a question about playlists. I love being able to create playlists out of both tracks on the iPod (iPhone) and tracks from my library, and send them to the device.

However, I've found sometimes I need to add tracks to a playlist, and it doesn't appear that I can actually edit a playlist.
But what I've found is that even if I delete the playlist from the iPhone first, when I re-send a playlist of the same name, it gets a number added to its name.

I would prefer to be able to simply replace the playlist on the device, if there's one of the same name. That way I could re-create it either from files on the iPod, files in my library, or a combination of both, and get the new-improved version.
This has come about now of course because of your (beta) fix to the cover art thumbnails. If I want to fix the cover art for the stuff currently on the iPod, I have to re-upload. But a lot of the music on the iPod is in current playlists, and I'm guess I'll ruin those playlists by remove and re-adding tracks that are in the playlists.

Am I missing something? Is this actually currently possible?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Scidd0w on 2010-08-06 09:11:12
Besides, you will lose gapless playback support using it, I would just stick to LAME or Nero AAC.
Losing gapless playback is a bit of an issue yeah. I wanted to try this because my media center has a slow Intel Atom N330 processor and I wanted to speed up the conversion process. Most of my collection is FLAC.

I'm going to try Nero AAC now and see if its faster than LAME on the atom proc.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-08-06 14:06:16
can someone with an iPhone 4 [...] send me a backup of their iTunesCDB and also their UDID?

Tell me how, and I'll do it right away
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-08-06 17:19:24
Hi,
I guess you are deleting the playlist using the device - that isn't supported at the moment. You can remove them using 'Manage contents' though.

Ideally you would use Sync to manage your playlists (and tracks), I could add an option in the Send Playlists dialog to replace any playlists with the same name. It doesn't really help though with the problem of effectively losing your playlist contents after removing the tracks though, that is why ideally I would create them from tracks on your computer instead.

can someone with an iPhone 4 [...] send me a backup of their iTunesCDB and also their UDID?

Tell me how, and I'll do it right away
You can backup the iTunesCDB file from File/iPod/File system explorer, then browse to iTunes_Control\iTunes, for the UDID you can just send the Device Instance Path from the console.

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-08-07 08:53:38
Hi,
I guess you are deleting the playlist using the device - that isn't supported at the moment. You can remove them using 'Manage contents' though.

Ideally you would use Sync to manage your playlists (and tracks), I could add an option in the Send Playlists dialog to replace any playlists with the same name. It doesn't really help though with the problem of effectively losing your playlist contents after removing the tracks though, that is why ideally I would create them from tracks on your computer instead.


Actually, I'm deleting them using "Manage contents".
I can delete all the tracks and then re-upload by syncing playlists from the computer.

So I guess the weird thing was the fact that the new playlist was given an incremented name even though I had deleted it.
I'll try it again soon and see whether I can make it happen again. That said, I wouldn't mind the option to replace playlists with the same name.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Soviet Commissar on 2010-08-07 17:39:34
I see in the 0.6.8.3 changelog "Improved artwork compatibility with recent/future devices".  Which devices are affected, what are the improvements, and is it worth re-running the artwork scan in the event my device (iPod Classic 6G 2008, running 2.0.1) is affected?

I put way too much time into my music hobby/addiction...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2010-08-07 17:59:16
I see in the 0.6.8.3 changelog "Improved artwork compatibility with recent/future devices".  Which devices are affected, what are the improvements, and is it worth re-running the artwork scan in the event my device (iPod Classic 6G 2008, running 2.0.1) is affected?

I suspect it's higher resolution artwork for e.g. the iPhone4's retina-display. The text doesn't really imply that older devices should have "improved artwork compatibility"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Soviet Commissar on 2010-08-07 21:23:48
I see in the 0.6.8.3 changelog "Improved artwork compatibility with recent/future devices".  Which devices are affected, what are the improvements, and is it worth re-running the artwork scan in the event my device (iPod Classic 6G 2008, running 2.0.1) is affected?

I suspect it's higher resolution artwork for e.g. the iPhone4's retina-display. The text doesn't really imply that older devices should have "improved artwork compatibility"

That's not what I meant, either, haha; I wasn't sure if he'd somehow cleaned up how the artwork DB is written in general (i.e. applying to such devices as the wheel iPods in addition to touch screens), or if it meant only for very recent devices like the new iPhone that would have a different method of storing art.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-08-08 23:23:20
I see in the 0.6.8.3 changelog "Improved artwork compatibility with recent/future devices".  Which devices are affected, what are the improvements,
The devices are iPhone 4, iPad and probably whatever new iPods are coming out. Yes, I was deliberately vague since they aren't officially supported.

and is it worth re-running the artwork scan in the event my device (iPod Classic 6G 2008, running 2.0.1) is affected?
Nope, it is just to do with support for some newer artwork formats on those devices as recently discussed.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Soviet Commissar on 2010-08-09 04:10:12
The man speaks!  Thank you for clarifying. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mrguy on 2010-08-10 08:29:12
I just made the switch to foobar a few days ago. I switched back to itunes as it didn't have ipod support. Then I found that foo_dop plugin....

So after a fair bit of time of playing around I finally got my iPod touch compatible with foobar. Sort of.

I finally have it so it doesn't say "no device found" but, when I click iPod -> Synchronise
But I get this message... (the picture is a screencap)
(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9185/62678003.png)
How do I stop it removing the tracks?


Help, please.

Many thanks in advance
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: StuPC on 2010-08-10 10:45:14
I just made the switch to foobar a few days ago. I switched back to itunes as it didn't have ipod support. Then I found that foo_dop plugin....

So after a fair bit of time of playing around I finally got my iPod touch compatible with foobar. Sort of.

I finally have it so it doesn't say "no device found" but, when I click iPod -> Synchronise
But I get this message... (the picture is a screencap)
(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9185/62678003.png)
How do I stop it removing the tracks?


Help, please.

Many thanks in advance


I've been using foodop for a couple of years now and never used the "Synchronise" command, probably because I never used that on the dreadful iTunes.  It's easy enough to use Foobar to manage your iPod though.

To add individual tracks and entire folders you can right-click on those files and/or folders in the album list (or in Chronoflow or in a normal playlist) and select "Send to iPod".  That will, as you might expect, put those tracks on your iPod.

To remove tracks, click on "Load Library" under File>iPod to bring up a playlist of everything on your iPod, then select the files you want to delete from your iPod, right-click and select "Remove from iPod" (I think - or something very similar).

Does that help?

-StuPC
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2010-08-10 11:12:59
I finally have it so it doesn't say "no device found" but, when I click iPod -> Synchronise
But I get this message... (the picture is a screencap)

How do I stop it removing the tracks?

If you didn't add those tracks with foo_dop a synchronize will always remove them, as synchronize will make sure your iPod contains just the tracks in the playlists you select for syncing and/or your foobar2000 library. If a track on the iPod isn't in there (or if foo_dop didn't copy it to the iPod and thus has no record which file in your library the song corresponds to) it'll get removed.

If you don't have those songs on your PC do a "iPod > load library", use foobar2000's file operations to copy those files to your hard drive and add them to foobar's library via the preferences dialog. Syncing might still remove and add them back once, but after that they'll stay put.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ssjkakaroto on 2010-08-10 17:33:28
Hi musicmusic, I've looked a few times on the foo_dop documentation but I couldn't find an explicit way of creating a playlist of files that are already on the iPod. The only info that might be what I'm looking for is this:
Using the send playlists to your iPod command
-Files are matched to existing tracks using an exact match algorithm (requires identical files).

So with this I should create a playlist on foobar using the files that are already in the iPod and then send the playlist to the iPod?
If this is the answer, can I send the same file to multiple playlists?

Thanks in advance
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: icsterm on 2010-08-11 02:25:38
is there any possibility to drag and drop tracks into playlists found on my ipod touch 3g ios 4? Or is there any way to edit playlist on the device without deleting the playlist and creating a new one?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mrguy on 2010-08-13 07:44:11
Is there a way to search my iPod library? Media search searches everything...
EDIT; never mind
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-08-13 07:45:32
Is there a way to search my iPod library? Media search searches everything...


Go to File -> iPod and Load Library, which gets you a special playlist of your iPod's contents.
Then go Ctrl-F and search just that playlist!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-08-13 07:49:10
Hey Mr musicmusic,

The more I use my iPhone now as a real iPod, the more I think that many of us here would benefit greatly for more control over our playlists.
Specifically, being able to update playlists without too much bother.

Without making it too complex, I think two things would be advantageous:
1) From the "Manage contents" dialog, being able to not just view the playlists there but actually send them to a new foobar playlist, like "Load library" does, but just the tracks in that specific playlist, in the playlist order of course;
and
2) Being able to at least opt in the preferences that if you "Send" a playlist to the iPod that has the same name as a playlist already on the iPod, this overwrites that playlist.

That way, we can load a playlist into foobar, off the iPod, and make some changes (adding, removing, re-ordering), and then sync it back to the iPod. This method seems to me to match the current behaviour of the component fairly well.
How does this sound?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mrguy on 2010-08-13 07:51:21
Is there a way to search my iPod library? Media search searches everything...


Go to File -> iPod and Load Library, which gets you a special playlist of your iPod's contents.
Then go Ctrl-F and search just that playlist!

oh, thanks, I just found that. Thanks anyway!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-08-13 07:56:23
is there any possibility to drag and drop tracks into playlists found on my ipod touch 3g ios 4? Or is there any way to edit playlist on the device without deleting the playlist and creating a new one?


See my previous post - no, you can't edit playlists that are already on the device, but I'm hoping our host & sponsor can help us there
Currently, if you have a playlist that you want to make changes to, you need to delete it and recreate it.

Hi musicmusic, I've looked a few times on the foo_dop documentation but I couldn't find an explicit way of creating a playlist of files that are already on the iPod.


You can do this! I think you suggested it already in your post, but this is the process:
First go File -> iPod -> Load library (I've assigned Shift-Ctrl-Alt-I to this since I do it a lot).
You now have a new foobar playlist with the complete contents of your iPod in it. Now rearrange that playlist so that it only has the tracks you want, in the right order. If you wish, add some tracks from your hard drive.
Rename this "iPod View" playlist to whatever you want your playlist to be called on the iPod, and then go File -> iPod -> Send playlists and select it for sending to the iPod!

You can also drag any tracks you want out of the iPod View playlist into a new playlist to do the same thing.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ssjkakaroto on 2010-08-13 13:10:09
Thanks a lot frogworth, I'll try it as soon as I get home.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ssjkakaroto on 2010-08-14 03:55:20
Hey frogworth, I was messing around with some playlists here and I have to agree with you suggestion:
...
1) From the "Manage contents" dialog, being able to not just view the playlists there but actually send them to a new foobar playlist, like "Load library" does, but just the tracks in that specific playlist, in the playlist order of course;
...

That alone would allow us to "edit" the playlists in the iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-08-14 06:16:51
That alone would allow us to "edit" the playlists in the iPod.


Actually, the other thing we need to be able to do is then send the changed version back to the iPod. Currently this means deleting the one on the device and then sending a new one of the same name, and I've found that often, even though I've deleted the "Andrew Bird" playlist, the new one gets named "Andrew Bird-1" or something, so there's still some residual trace of the playlist on the machine.

So - much rather be able to actually have a setting that says "If there is already a playlist of that name on the device, replace it with the one being sent now".
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2010-08-14 09:09:35
I just got the new iPhone 4, and if there's anything I can do to help get foo_dop working with it, lemme know.  I used this plugin all the time with my 3GS, and it's sad not having it work with the new iPhone.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-08-14 16:13:52
I just got the new iPhone 4, and if there's anything I can do to help get foo_dop working with it, lemme know.  I used this plugin all the time with my 3GS, and it's sad not having it work with the new iPhone.


If you jailbreak it, there's a workaround that musicmusic posted a little earlier: decrementing the DBVersion in /System/Library/Lockdown/Checkpoint.xml to 4.
That means jailbreaking, then sshing into the phone, and editing the abovementioned XML file, and knowing enough about XML to know how to change that value.

If you are willing and able to jailbreak (you need to be on OS 4.0.1 rather than the just-released 4.0.2 which can't be jailbroken yet) and then need help with the next step, let me know and I can walk you through it.
Not wanting to speak for musicmusic though, who may have something coming now?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ticottery on 2010-08-14 19:00:37
Is there any way of sorting albums in my iPod using the AlbumSort tag? Or any way to sort albums by date and not by alphabetical order?

Thanks
Very nice plugin i recommend it to anyone
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2010-08-14 21:56:32
I just got the new iPhone 4, and if there's anything I can do to help get foo_dop working with it, lemme know.  I used this plugin all the time with my 3GS, and it's sad not having it work with the new iPhone.


If you jailbreak it, there's a workaround that musicmusic posted a little earlier: decrementing the DBVersion in /System/Library/Lockdown/Checkpoint.xml to 4.
That means jailbreaking, then sshing into the phone, and editing the abovementioned XML file, and knowing enough about XML to know how to change that value.

If you are willing and able to jailbreak (you need to be on OS 4.0.1 rather than the just-released 4.0.2 which can't be jailbroken yet) and then need help with the next step, let me know and I can walk you through it.
Not wanting to speak for musicmusic though, who may have something coming now?

Ah, I missed this.  I jailbroke/unlocked my 3GS before I put it on eBay, so I know how to jailbreak it.  I'm still on 4.0.1, so I might do it.  I'll wait to hear what musicmusic says first.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: telliott on 2010-08-15 01:23:29
ok, I give up!   

I updated a number of Beach Boys albums, spitting 2 fer CD rips into their individual albums updating tags and adding album art where needed.  I use MediaMonkey to embed art into the flac tags.

In Foobar, all art shows up correctly.  I deleted all Beach Boys tracks and added them again to my iPod Touch using auto convert to convert the tracks to mp3.  Everything worked well. New art showed up correctly.

The fun began when I updated a missing album cover art.  I loaded library, updated art.  New art still didn't show up.  I then tried update metadata, then update art.  Nothing.  After retrying several times, I think my iPod got mad at me because now, most Beach Boys cover art shows the cover for "Love Stinks" by the J. Geils Band!  I know I will have to delete everything and start over again.

I have had bad luck with with MediaMonkey also with album art.  It seem that more often than not, music that stays on the iPod gets it's art scrambled with updates, necessitating a periodic full reload of all the music on the iPod, which isn't easy if I haven't been simply syncing playlists.  Maybe I need to go back to only syncing playlists and forget about just adding music on the fly.  Better yet, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO FIX ALBUM ART CURRENTLY LOADED!

Why is this so hard and What is the iPod doing when it's "updating library" for a minute after I have finished adding new music?

Tim
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: durch on 2010-08-15 11:41:11
Hi everyone,

I set up foobar2000 not to use the tag %album artist%, but instead to use %band%, like every other major audio software does (including iTunes). I changed ever single foobar2000 setting from %album artist% to %band%. Well, it works for the time being. Now I wonder if I have to change anything in iPod manager? I stumbled across its "remapping" page and found "Album Artist" there, and I'm not sure if I have to change something here. Any suggestions?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: telliott on 2010-08-15 18:27:59
, most Beach Boys cover art shows the cover for "Love Stinks" by the J. Geils Band!  I know I will have to delete everything and start over again.


I deleted the tracks and added them again.  Now "Love Stinks" has been replaced with a different incorrect album cover.  At least it's a Beach Boys cover this time.

I have read, in the past, that album art that is too large can screw things up on the iPod.  I try to keep art at 600x600 or smaller.  I may have a few larger.  I don't really pay attention to the size in bytes.

Tim
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2010-08-16 09:04:22
, most Beach Boys cover art shows the cover for "Love Stinks" by the J. Geils Band!  I know I will have to delete everything and start over again.


I deleted the tracks and added them again.  Now "Love Stinks" has been replaced with a different incorrect album cover.  At least it's a Beach Boys cover this time.

I have read, in the past, that album art that is too large can screw things up on the iPod.  I try to keep art at 600x600 or smaller.  I may have a few larger.  I don't really pay attention to the size in bytes.

Tim

Do you have embedded album art that's conflicting with folder.jpg?  foobar automatically prefers embedded album art over the folder.jpg I think, so I always just mp3tag to strip whatever embedded album art is in my music first.  Maybe that's it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pallbearer on 2010-08-16 15:50:48
Hello everyone,

I'm new to this forum. I have just started using foo_pod and loving it. Its way better than iTunes.

I have a query. I have the iPod Shuffle 3G which has the voice-over functionality. I don't see any option in foo_pod 0.6.8.3 currently to disable this feature.The changelog says that this option was added to foo_pod in 0.6.7.8 but I don't see it.

Can someone please upload the 0.6.7.8 version or tell me if I'm missing something.

TIA!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bryter on 2010-08-17 17:01:57
Does this plug in make it possible to add music to iphone 3GS running iOS4? If not, are there any other plug ins?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2010-08-17 17:44:15
Does this plug in make it possible to add music to iphone 3GS running iOS4? If not, are there any other plug ins?


http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#supported_models (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#supported_models)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: durch on 2010-08-17 17:56:38
I used $meta(artist,0) to remap "Sort artist" field. From my understanding, this field is responsible for the list that appears when you select "Artists" on your iPod. But it didn't change anything. Artists still are displayed like this:

Artist1
Artist1, Artist2
Artist1, Artist3, Artist4

But I thought it should be just:

Artist1

Or is the remapping option made for something else? I use iPod nano 1G.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: QuantumAndy on 2010-08-19 21:40:57
A general question based on maybe a desired feature, or something that is just not quite working right.

I have some m4b audiobooks with chapters, that work in itunes (as in the chapters are available on the ipod). This doesn't seem to happen on the ipod when synced with iPod Manager in Foobar2000. I am using the most up to date version of both pieces of software, with an iPod Classic 160 GB - the original fat one. Any ideas if this should work? If not, it might be cool to get working.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kompot on 2010-08-21 19:55:08
First of all, thanks for hard work making this great plugin :)

Is there any chance to have an option to integrate foo_dop with foo_plorg instead of standard playlist manager (and set the folder to synchronize with)?

It would be great to have a separate folder for iPod playlists only.

Thanks for consideration
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: shiphtfour on 2010-08-25 09:28:21
foo_dop keeps hanging when updating gapless information while sending files to my ipod. Foobar itself is not frozen, but the dialogue box shows the process as stopped. I am not sure if it is a bug with this component or a problem with a particular file I am trying to send (I'm trying to transfer my entire library, so it's hard to tell).  Anyways, I have to disconnect my ipod before the database is written, so nothing shows up in the ipod database, although the files are in fact there. If I uncheck the determine gapless information and recover the orphaned tracks, it works, but I would like to have gapless information. Any ideas?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mundschuss on 2010-08-28 15:54:12
so, once again:

cloning an ipod! just copy paste the wohle stuff (including invisible folders and all that stuff) and it should work? or can i destroy anything with that (maybe hell get confused with the flash-memory if the ipod has something like this)?

seeya
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sonvolt on 2010-08-31 11:10:34
Sorry if this is a  stupid  question  covered elsewhere but couldn't see anything , Just started using this component copied stuff over and everthing fine but the next time I started Itunes (for an update) the Sync  removed all my copied tracks.  Have I missed something  or does this mean  I need to ensure Itunes doesnt  sync??
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: eradumvelhinho on 2010-08-31 14:53:37
Have I missed something  or does this mean  I need to ensure Itunes doesnt  sync??


You have do uncheck the synchronization in iTunes
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ForteD on 2010-09-02 03:38:15
I sync my ipod with itunes, but itune don't have artwork for my music, so I add artwork via foo_dop, but nothing change . If I sync via foo_dop, all artwork have add to my ipod
I don't sync via foo_dop because my library have 3700 file music, some file foo_dop can't add my ipod. When I use itunes, all file music was sync
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: wtstommy on 2010-09-02 05:13:39
Are playback statistics broken with the new 3.0 version? When I sync metadata it no longer updates my ratings, and it clears the ratings on my iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-09-02 19:35:05
Hi everyone,

I set up foobar2000 not to use the tag %album artist%, but instead to use %band%, like every other major audio software does (including iTunes). I changed ever single foobar2000 setting from %album artist% to %band%. Well, it works for the time being. Now I wonder if I have to change anything in iPod manager? I stumbled across its "remapping" page and found "Album Artist" there, and I'm not sure if I have to change something here. Any suggestions?
Yes, put something like [%band%] for the mapping.

, most Beach Boys cover art shows the cover for "Love Stinks" by the J. Geils Band!  I know I will have to delete everything and start over again.
I deleted the tracks and added them again.  Now "Love Stinks" has been replaced with a different incorrect album cover.  At least it's a Beach Boys cover this time.

I have read, in the past, that album art that is too large can screw things up on the iPod.  I try to keep art at 600x600 or smaller.  I may have a few larger.  I don't really pay attention to the size in bytes.

Tim
There's no "mixing up" of artwork from this component, and the size of the source artwork files don't matter. If your database is already screwed from some other program, then do a restore.

Otherwise the art is coming from somewhere. Don't use folder.jpg for artwork and make sure foobar2000 is not set to read it.

Hello everyone,

I'm new to this forum. I have just started using foo_pod and loving it. Its way better than iTunes.

I have a query. I have the iPod Shuffle 3G which has the voice-over functionality. I don't see any option in foo_pod 0.6.8.3 currently to disable this feature.The changelog says that this option was added to foo_pod in 0.6.7.8 but I don't see it.

Can someone please upload the 0.6.7.8 version or tell me if I'm missing something.

TIA!
Sorry, there's no option to disable it at the moment. Well I was waiting to see if someone did want to disable it (), so I'll get on it.

I used $meta(artist,0) to remap "Sort artist" field. From my understanding, this field is responsible for the list that appears when you select "Artists" on your iPod. But it didn't change anything. Artists still are displayed like this:

Artist1
Artist1, Artist2
Artist1, Artist3, Artist4

But I thought it should be just:

Artist1

Or is the remapping option made for something else? I use iPod nano 1G.
Sort artist is only used for sorting, it would be the artist you want to remap if you want to change what is displayed.

A general question based on maybe a desired feature, or something that is just not quite working right.

I have some m4b audiobooks with chapters, that work in itunes (as in the chapters are available on the ipod). This doesn't seem to happen on the ipod when synced with iPod Manager in Foobar2000. I am using the most up to date version of both pieces of software, with an iPod Classic 160 GB - the original fat one. Any ideas if this should work? If not, it might be cool to get working.
Sorry, those chapters aren't supported at this time.

First of all, thanks for hard work making this great plugin

Is there any chance to have an option to integrate foo_dop with foo_plorg instead of standard playlist manager (and set the folder to synchronize with)?

It would be great to have a separate folder for iPod playlists only.

Thanks for consideration
No plans, but are there any specs or APIs?

foo_dop keeps hanging when updating gapless information while sending files to my ipod. Foobar itself is not frozen, but the dialogue box shows the process as stopped. I am not sure if it is a bug with this component or a problem with a particular file I am trying to send (I'm trying to transfer my entire library, so it's hard to tell).  Anyways, I have to disconnect my ipod before the database is written, so nothing shows up in the ipod database, although the files are in fact there. If I uncheck the determine gapless information and recover the orphaned tracks, it works, but I would like to have gapless information. Any ideas?
Use Process Monitor to monitor file I/O to identify the file, alternatively the file should show up in the handles view of Process Explorer if the operation is hung. What is foobar2000.exe CPU usage when it is stuck? Have you also checked the Event Log?

so, once again:

cloning an ipod! just copy paste the wohle stuff (including invisible folders and all that stuff) and it should work? or can i destroy anything with that (maybe hell get confused with the flash-memory if the ipod has something like this)?

seeya
If it is the exact same model and software version then you can do that but you will have to follow it up with a "Rewrite database". Otherwise you can't.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-09-02 19:35:34
I sync my ipod with itunes, but itune don't have artwork for my music, so I add artwork via foo_dop, but nothing change . If I sync via foo_dop, all artwork have add to my ipod
I don't sync via foo_dop because my library have 3700 file music, some file foo_dop can't add my ipod. When I use itunes, all file music was sync
Sorry I'm not sure what the query is; the 3700 files don't fit on your iPod using foo_dop? Can you provide more details e.g. approx. total size of the files, free space on iPod etc. if that's the problem.

Are playback statistics broken with the new 3.0 version? When I sync metadata it no longer updates my ratings, and it clears the ratings on my iPod.
I do not know.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aletaziar on 2010-09-03 03:44:51
Hey all, I think the remapping for the composer field is broken. I was using [%album artist%] to create a pseudo-album artist filter on my iPod, but it no longer works on 0.6.8.3. Using foo_dop 0.6.8.3 on fb2k 1.0.1 with an iTouch 2G running iOS 4.0.1.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2010-09-03 10:14:12
btw: the new itunes 10 works without a problem (just in case anybody was unsure)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chaser on 2010-09-03 10:22:57
As soon as somebody can try out, please let us know, what the situation is with the newly released iPods.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fromsilenceandanything on 2010-09-04 00:39:13
Is it possible to remove the actual "iPod view" playlist from (iPhone's) iPod permanently? Or does it have to be there for the program to function properly, instead of existing just on the PC side?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-09-04 09:56:26
Is it possible to remove the actual "iPod view" playlist from (iPhone's) iPod permanently? Or does it have to be there for the program to function properly, instead of existing just on the PC side?


It is never necessary. Presumably it's there because you synced it there.
You don't (generally) upload music to your iPod/iPhone by syncing playlists - that's iTunes thinking. You should be highlighting all the music that you want to upload, right-clicking, and selecting "Send to iPod" from the iPod menu. Well, "should": that's the way to get music on that's not in a playlist.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fromsilenceandanything on 2010-09-04 13:36:34
Is it possible to remove the actual "iPod view" playlist from (iPhone's) iPod permanently? Or does it have to be there for the program to function properly, instead of existing just on the PC side?


It is never necessary. Presumably it's there because you synced it there.
You don't (generally) upload music to your iPod/iPhone by syncing playlists - that's iTunes thinking. You should be highlighting all the music that you want to upload, right-clicking, and selecting "Send to iPod" from the iPod menu. Well, "should": that's the way to get music on that's not in a playlist.
I use foo_dop only to pull out last.fm scrobbles actually. So I have to sync it. Right? Or is there some other way to pull out the scrobbles?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: McMusic on 2010-09-05 06:59:49
As soon as somebody can try out, please let us know, what the situation is with the newly released iPods.


Thats a really good question. I'm waiting on my iPod Touch 4th G. and it would be perfect if I could fill it with foo_dop.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2010-09-05 07:24:49
Or is there some other way to pull out the scrobbles?
I think a Rewrite database should be enough.

HTH.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Alexander Ostuni on 2010-09-05 13:31:44
Hi,

I need help with titleformatting again.
At the moment My Ipod shows the Date bevore the album, for example "1978 Heavy Horses"
Is it possible, that in one certain genre ("Hörspiele") the date is NOT shown ?

Cheers
Alex
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sune on 2010-09-05 13:48:33
Wow.. amazing component

I just got an iPhone and I'm trying to keep iTunes completely away from my music, so this is great!

One little problem: when I send tracks to my iPhone it adds the cover art fine, in most cases. My artwork is inside each album folder, and it's named like this: %artist% - %album%(.jpg). So this is what I entered in the preferences.
However, I have many 7 inch albums, whose %album% tag is whateveralbum 7" , but since Windows doesn't accept the " symbol, I replace in the artwork filename with two '. So naturally, the artwork doesn't get added to the tracks.

Is there a way I can tell foobar to look not at the exact string, but something similar? Or do I have to retag all my 7"? (I really wouldn't want that)

Thanks for any help.

I've also tried doing %filename_ext%, and %filename%, but no luck
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-09-06 11:37:41
One little problem: when I send tracks to my iPhone it adds the cover art fine, in most cases. My artwork is inside each album folder, and it's named like this: %artist% - %album%(.jpg). So this is what I entered in the preferences.
However, I have many 7 inch albums, whose %album% tag is whateveralbum 7" , but since Windows doesn't accept the " symbol, I replace in the artwork filename with two '. So naturally, the artwork doesn't get added to the tracks.

Is there a way I can tell foobar to look not at the exact string, but something similar? Or do I have to retag all my 7"? (I really wouldn't want that)


Pretty sure this will work:
In the preferences, make sure you have ticked "Additionally, use foobar2000 built-in artwork reader".

Then up in foobar's "Display" preferences, you have the option to have a whole list of search patterns for your cover filenames. Just have them in your preferred order:
%artist% - %album%.jpg
%album% 7''.jpg
(etc)

Then if it can't find a file named according to your foo_dop preference, it'll use whatever foobar would use to display the cover.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Borszczuk on 2010-09-07 15:38:37
@musicmusic: please add support for multiplays - I use foo_dop with audioscrobbler plugin and it hurts my stats your plugin aleays reports 1 play of given unique track, no matter how many times I played that tracks. This is bit frustrating
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Peikko on 2010-09-07 16:28:24
Could somebody explain me how to add covers for my IPod classic 5G. I can't figure out where to place the covers and what to type into source script.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2010-09-07 18:36:04
Could somebody explain me how to add covers for my IPod classic 5G. I can't figure out where to place the covers and what to type into source script.

So, the cover is either embedded in the files themselves (using a program like mp3tag), or you'll have external image files.  Those image files should be named in accordance with the album art section of the display settings in the preference window.  Most commonly, you'll want them to be titled Folder.jpg or Folder.png depending on the file type.  As long as foobar correctly displays the album art, foo_dop will correctly put it in the iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-09-07 20:56:00
As soon as somebody can try out, please let us know, what the situation is with the newly released iPods.
Thats a really good question. I'm waiting on my iPod Touch 4th G. and it would be perfect if I could fill it with foo_dop.
Well, touch 4th gen won't work at the moment, and the new nano and shuffle are a mystery. I will probably buy a new touch so I should have more info on that in a week or so.

One little problem: when I send tracks to my iPhone it adds the cover art fine, in most cases. My artwork is inside each album folder, and it's named like this: %artist% - %album%(.jpg). So this is what I entered in the preferences.
However, I have many 7 inch albums, whose %album% tag is whateveralbum 7" , but since Windows doesn't accept the " symbol, I replace in the artwork filename with two '. So naturally, the artwork doesn't get added to the tracks.
Well, you can use $replace in the iPod manager's preferences - so something like $replace(%album artist% - %album%,",'',*,.) should do it (do the other invalid chars too).

@musicmusic: please add support for multiplays - I use foo_dop with audioscrobbler plugin and it hurts my stats your plugin aleays reports 1 play of given unique track, no matter how many times I played that tracks. This is bit frustrating
I am sure we have been through this before; anyway there's nothing I can do on my side.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: McMusic on 2010-09-10 09:21:25
Well, touch 4th gen won't work at the moment


Hello musicmusic,

is this already firm, that foo_dop will not work with the 4G iPod Touches?
Anyhow, I received my shipping confirmation from Apple today, so should be able to test it on monday. If I can be of any help for the development of foo_dop I would be more than happy to do this. Please just let me know, what I should do.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-09-10 15:08:15
is this already firm, that foo_dop will not work with the 4G iPod Touches?
Anyhow, I received my shipping confirmation from Apple today, so should be able to test it on monday. If I can be of any help for the development of foo_dop I would be more than happy to do this. Please just let me know, what I should do.


If you're up for jailbreaking it, and au fait with the terminal, there's a workaround that I'd be 95% sure would work. It works on iOS4.x iPhones, including my iPhone 4.
Jailbreak, install OpenSSH, make sure you change the mobile and root passwords for security(!), then SSH into the phone as root, and edit /System/Library/Lockdown/Checkpoint.xml
Look for the DBVersion key. It'll probably be set at 5. Decrement that value to 4 and save.

You should now be able to upload files to your iPod!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: McMusic on 2010-09-11 16:39:02
Hm, I'm not so familiar with the jailbreak and plan to keep the device un-jailbreaked. My hopes are, that musicmusic will update foo_dop to also work with the newest iPod generation, as soon as they are available.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Scidd0w on 2010-09-13 10:33:35
Will supporting the new iPod generation involve the same efforts to also support the iPhone4? In other words will this mean that once the new iPod generation is supported the iPhone4 will also be supported? Or are there additional difficulties in supporting the iPhone4?
I got so used to using this excelent software with my 3GS I'm really looking forward to using it with my new iPhone4 as well.

Thank you very much in advance!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bl@ck_warrior on 2010-09-13 20:17:42
For those who are interested, there is another software that can synchronise with iphone 4 here, if you don't want to use itunes while waiting for foo_dop to be able to sync with iphone 4.

http://www.copytrans.net/copytransmanager.php (http://www.copytrans.net/copytransmanager.php)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ben Laserlove on 2010-09-13 21:22:03
So I'm getting this problem when I try to remove tracks from my iPod Touch.

error readings itunesdb : I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 2 Path was /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesCDB

After I try to remove tracks, I can't do anything. I can't add tracks until I restart FB2K. And I understand that you've gotten this issue before, but I don't know how you solved it. Please help me!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Phillis on 2010-09-14 18:04:57
I just got a new ipod (gen 6), and they use DB version 5. Hopefully there will be a workaround like the Touch or an update for the plugin
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dot on 2010-09-15 09:51:15
How can I delete the songs on my iPod touch 1g? When clicking on File --> iPod --> Manage Contents I can only remove playlists but not delete the songs listed at iPod. Also, right clicking on a song and then choosing open file location does cause any reaction. I do not have any free drive space so I need a way to delete the files on my iPod touch before uploading new playlists.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-09-15 13:01:36
How can I delete the songs on my iPod touch 1g? When clicking on File --> iPod --> Manage Contents I can only remove playlists but not delete the songs listed at iPod. Also, right clicking on a song and then choosing open file location does cause any reaction. I do not have any free drive space so I need a way to delete the files on my iPod touch before uploading new playlists.


Goto File -> iPod -> Load Library
You will then get a playlist with all the contents of the iPod. Now locate the tracks you want to remove, right-click, and from the iPod menu select "Remove from iPod" (from memory).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: watercolor on 2010-09-15 14:00:35
Can I use foo_dop with walkman on the future?
I think walkman support is easy than iPod support.
Because walkman can D&D transmission.
It mean walkman can play mp3 file that simply put usb disk folder.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sonvolt on 2010-09-15 22:14:47
Can I use foo_dop with walkman on the future?
I think walkman support is easy than iPod support.
Because walkman can D&D transmission.
It mean walkman can play mp3 file that simply put usb disk folder.


I would guess not with this component  aka post 1  "This is a IPOD component"  you require a Walkman one .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NinjaN on 2010-09-16 18:48:13
As soon as somebody can try out, please let us know, what the situation is with the newly released iPods.
Thats a really good question. I'm waiting on my iPod Touch 4th G. and it would be perfect if I could fill it with foo_dop.
Well, touch 4th gen won't work at the moment, and the new nano and shuffle are a mystery. I will probably buy a new touch so I should have more info on that in a week or so.

I DO have the new iPod touch 4G. Is there anything I can do to help you?
I hate having to use crappy iTunes since it doesn't really sort the music the way I want it.

My iPod is practically new, un-jailbroken (atm) and at iOS 4.1...
I can cope with the terminal once there's a jailbreak, as long as some instructions are provided.


NinjaN
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sune on 2010-09-19 20:57:44
thanks frogworth and musicmusic for your help on the artwork issue. Both suggestions sounded like they would work to me, however they didn't, I don't know why.

I fixed it by using this string in the ipod manager preferences: $replace(%path%,%filename_ext%,*)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2010-09-20 03:30:35
musicmusic I will donate again if you add support for the new nanos. You know I love foodop too much to lose it
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2010-09-20 21:19:15
i will donate also if you offer anything other than paypal
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ben Laserlove on 2010-09-21 08:38:58
musicmusic I will donate again if you add support for the new nanos. You know I love foodop too much to lose it



i will donate also if you offer anything other than paypal


Dude, yeah! Paypal, Flattr, anything to support my favorite addon!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-09-23 19:47:01
So I'm getting this problem when I try to remove tracks from my iPod Touch.

error readings itunesdb : I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 2 Path was /iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesCDB

After I try to remove tracks, I can't do anything. I can't add tracks until I restart FB2K. And I understand that you've gotten this issue before, but I don't know how you solved it. Please help me!
Well the error is a protocol related error (bad header). I'm not really sure why it would happen, [a href='index.php?act=findpost&pid=716100']someone else had the same issue[/a], but I don't know if he resolved it. But there are a few things there to check. If you can try from another computer (that doesn't have exactly the same software i.e. firewall etc.) that would be a good first step.

I DO have the new iPod touch 4G. Is there anything I can do to help you?
I hate having to use crappy iTunes since it doesn't really sort the music the way I want it.
Well I have mine now and I have it working. However you will need to 'borrow' iPhoneCalc.dll (just copy to fb2k dir) from MediaMonkey for database signing because I don't have any other solution for it (and well it doesn't exactly look like original code anyway...). Anyway I'll do some testing and probably release a new build over the weekend.

They still have not fixed British English though, I wonder why this message is logged Apple?
Code: [Select]
Thu Sep 23 19:34:00 unknown lockdownd[17] <Error>: 00681000 copy_sort_sections: Could not URL for MLSections.plist

If anyone with a new nano or shuffle can PM or e-mail me the output of Shift + File/iPod/View raw properties then I can get a better idea if anything else needs to be done for support for those..

i will donate also if you offer anything other than paypal
Alright I'll look into it, but if there are any good options not already mentioned feel free to let me know.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BelleAndZEK on 2010-09-23 23:01:25
musicmusic: I didn't get the part with iPhoneCalc.dll.. I have a iPod Touch 4th Gen and tried what you mentionned above and it didn't work. Installed latest version of fb, latest version of your plugin, installed MediaMonkey and copied iPhoneCalc.dll to fb dir. Is it supposed to be working with the new iPod touch once all that is done? Because I get this error: DB Version 5 is not supported. Write operations are disabled.

I guess I'll wait for a new version that fully support the new iPod Touch then?
Anyway, thanks for your hard work. I've used it with an older model and never had a single problem.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-09-23 23:32:50
Yes, I meant you'll need to do that with the new version when it's released, which will probably be on the weekend.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mundschuss on 2010-09-26 13:51:27
hi,

so, my question is something about complications.

finaly i have a complication that is quiet nice and want to have on my classic 160gb, but i don want to have 16 artists added at my artist page, but i wanna have the right artist displayed during playback.

whats the best way to do something like this on an ipod?

seeya
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-09-26 23:25:30
OK, I've put up version 0.6.8.4, it should work OK with iPod touch 4G and iPhone 4 in combination with iPhoneCalc.dll. iPhoneCalc.dll must be from current version of MediaMonkey (3.2.2.1300), only the version of the DLL with SHA-1 55ae84fc032d8fc7041d793ee0a8f874e65b65c0 will be accepted. Copy it to your foobar2000 directory.

Nano 6G is not supported at the moment.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2010-09-27 03:12:52
Awesome!  Thanks for the 0.6.8.4 update.  It seems to work just fine with my iPhone 4 running iOS 4.1.  I went ahead and uploaded the correct iPhoneCalc.dll so that others don't need to get MediaMonkey to get it.

http://drop.io/m1ttxdv/asset/iphonecalc-dll (http://drop.io/m1ttxdv/asset/iphonecalc-dll)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: StuPC on 2010-09-27 22:05:35
OK, I've put up version 0.6.8.4, it should work OK with iPod touch 4G and iPhone 4 in combination with iPhoneCalc.dll. iPhoneCalc.dll must be from current version of MediaMonkey (3.2.2.1300), only the version of the DLL with SHA-1 55ae84fc032d8fc7041d793ee0a8f874e65b65c0 will be accepted. Copy it to your foobar2000 directory.

Nano 6G is not supported at the moment.


Likewise, no problems with my iPhone 4 running OS 4.1 - brilliant work again, musicmusic - thanks so much - I've been having a nightmare using damned iTunes for the past month! :-(
-StuPC
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BelleAndZEK on 2010-09-27 22:38:13
So far so good with the iPod Touch 4G. Works like a charm.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: MR.F on 2010-09-27 23:41:33
I don't understand how the "Sort Artist" and "Sort Album Artist" works.  I'm not familiar with them, but I thought that they'd overwrite what the artist is displayed as in the "Artist" menu where you browse the music.  I was thinking that this would be useful as a workaround for the iPod's lack of "album artist" tag (as far as I can tell on my 5G iPod Video anyway).  ie, I could sort all of Paul McCartney's solo/Wings work just under "Paul McCartney."  But I haven't been able to do that.  Am I doing something wrong/not understanding the feature correctly?

Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jack Schmaltz on 2010-09-28 18:02:07
hey musicmusic, thanks for a great & often used component.

however, i appear to have come across an issue today.
im not to sure how long it has been happening as i only noticed today, but when i connect my iPod & sync/rewrite database, my playback stats & ratings are no longer imported.
does anybody else have this issue? sorry i can't be more specific with when it started.

using foobar 1.1, foo_dop 0.6.8.3 & foo_playcount 3.0

if you require any more info, please dont hesitate to ask.
thank you for your time

EDIT: it would appear that wtstommy also has this issue, sorry to bring it up again. all i can do is confirm the same behaviour
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: StuPC on 2010-09-28 19:33:00
hey musicmusic, thanks for a great & often used component.

however, i appear to have come across an issue today.
im not to sure how long it has been happening as i only noticed today, but when i connect my iPod & sync/rewrite database, my playback stats & ratings are no longer imported.
does anybody else have this issue? sorry i can't be more specific with when it started.

using foobar 1.1, foo_dop 0.6.8.3 & foo_playcount 3.0

if you require any more info, please dont hesitate to ask.
thank you for your time

EDIT: it would appear that wtstommy also has this issue, sorry to bring it up again. all i can do is confirm the same behaviour


Another small issue here, too - audioscrobbling to last.fm no longer seems to work...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BelleAndZEK on 2010-09-29 00:19:36
I don't know if it's just me, but with the latest build with iPod Touch 4G, ticking/unticking "Ignore leading The 'The' and 'A'......" makes no difference. It ignores the leading "The" so for instance The Hidden Cameras appears under H, instead of T like I want.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: justmoon on 2010-09-30 13:58:50
OK, I've put up version 0.6.8.4, it should work OK with iPod touch 4G and iPhone 4 in combination with iPhoneCalc.dll.


Indeed it does.  Tears of joy.

It's way way faster too than iTunes. And on the fly transcoding. (Didn't know about foo_pod before.)

You, sir, are seriously awesome!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-09-30 22:39:57
I don't understand how the "Sort Artist" and "Sort Album Artist" works.  I'm not familiar with them, but I thought that they'd overwrite what the artist is displayed as in the "Artist" menu where you browse the music.  I was thinking that this would be useful as a workaround for the iPod's lack of "album artist" tag (as far as I can tell on my 5G iPod Video anyway).  ie, I could sort all of Paul McCartney's solo/Wings work just under "Paul McCartney."  But I haven't been able to do that.  Am I doing something wrong/not understanding the feature correctly?

Thanks.
Well they work the same as the same metadata fields in iTunes, you are only remapping them.

The artist field/remapping is what you'd expect - that is how the artist is displayed everywhere, as well as how it is grouped on the artist menu.

Sort artist strictly controls the order on any artist lists - it doesn't affect the artist displayed nor how they are grouped.

I don't know if it's just me, but with the latest build with iPod Touch 4G, ticking/unticking "Ignore leading The 'The' and 'A'......" makes no difference. It ignores the leading "The" so for instance The Hidden Cameras appears under H, instead of T like I want.
Sounds like something I did knowingly - sorting is handled different in iOS 4... Anyway, as a workaround just populating the sort remappings with the normal values ([%artist%] etc.) should do the job (don't forget 'Update metadata').
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sixth Street on 2010-10-01 03:18:39
My stats and ratings also do not carry over on rewrite database.  Foobar 1.1, foo_dop 0.6.8.4, iphone 4 4.1.  It still is great to be able to sync though.  Much thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: quasimofo on 2010-10-05 23:14:56
i get this error when starting foobar:

ipod manager: failed to query registry for apple application support directory - the system cannot find the file specified.

windows 7 x64, foobar 1.1, foo_dop 0.6.8.4, ios 4.1, iPhoneCalc.dll from mediamonkey 3.2.2.1300 in fb directory.

Any ideas?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gob on 2010-10-06 06:11:41
ipod manager: failed to query registry for apple application support directory- the system cannot find the file specified.

windows 7 x64, foobar 1.1, foo_dop 0.6.8.4, ios 4.1, iPhoneCalc.dll from mediamonkey 3.2.2.1300 in fb directory.

Quote from: Fangs404 link=msg=0 date=
Awesome!  Thanks for the 0.6.8.4 update.  It seems to work just fine with my iPhone 4 running iOS 4.1.  I went ahead and uploaded the correct iPhoneCalc.dll so that others don't need to get MediaMonkey to get it.

http://drop.io/m1ttxdv/asset/iphonecalc-dll (http://drop.io/m1ttxdv/asset/iphonecalc-dll)
hint: the download link is in red on the right, took me a second to find it.

However, if you're using a device earlier than the iphone 4, etc, just use foo_dop v0.6.8.3 (http://yuo.be/ipod.php)which doesn't require iPhoneCalc.dll.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: quasimofo on 2010-10-06 08:30:26
hint: the download link is in red on the right, took me a second to find it.

However, if you're using a device earlier than the iphone 4, etc, just use foo_dop v0.6.8.3 (http://yuo.be/ipod.php)which doesn't require iPhoneCalc.dll.


Thanks for the reply... However, I still get the same error with that dll...  And yes, iphone 4 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: MR.F on 2010-10-07 02:57:07
I don't understand how the "Sort Artist" and "Sort Album Artist" works.  I'm not familiar with them, but I thought that they'd overwrite what the artist is displayed as in the "Artist" menu where you browse the music.  I was thinking that this would be useful as a workaround for the iPod's lack of "album artist" tag (as far as I can tell on my 5G iPod Video anyway).  ie, I could sort all of Paul McCartney's solo/Wings work just under "Paul McCartney."  But I haven't been able to do that.  Am I doing something wrong/not understanding the feature correctly?

Thanks.
Well they work the same as the same metadata fields in iTunes, you are only remapping them.

The artist field/remapping is what you'd expect - that is how the artist is displayed everywhere, as well as how it is grouped on the artist menu.

Sort artist strictly controls the order on any artist lists - it doesn't affect the artist displayed nor how they are grouped.



Thanks for the reply.  I was basically looking for an "album artist" feature and the ipod still lacks that (which is ridiculous).  I was hoping "sort artist" would be a way to do that.  I guess not.  I'm using the "composer" on the ipod as an "album artist."  It works but isn't the most intuitive thing.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Burrfoot11 on 2010-10-08 00:42:15
Wow... Absolutely outstanding plug-in. I have been looking for something like this for a long time.   

A bit about what I am trying to do:
iPod 5th gen here.
Firmware 1.3
I have about 40 playlists that have been growing over the last 5 years.
I have been able, for a long time, to recover the RAW MP3 file names from the iPod playlists and then convert those file name (ex. TEIP.mp3) to file names based on their MP3 ID tags.
Your plugin makes that process makes it super easy!
Having said that, I lose the order (i.e. %list_index%) of the playlist.

One bit of functionality I would like to request:
I would like to preserve the playlist order when exporting a playlist from the iPod to the PC.
I have tried to add  %list_index% as a custom ID tag and try to get it to save to the metadata without any success.
This functionality has probably been built into your component, its just that I am new to FooBar (only been using it for about a month) and I cant figure out the methodology to achieve this.
Please let me know if what I am asking is doable, or am I just SOL.

Great job on this!!   
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Strykz on 2010-10-10 00:58:11
Hi. I've been using the foo_dop addon successfully for numerous months, and it worked well. But recently a couple of tracks had been skipping on my ipod, and when i tried to delete them from my playlist and sync it with the addon, they were not listed to be removed.

So i ended up restoring my ipod and updating its firmware to 2.0.1 (6th gen classic btw, windows 7)

Now when i try to sync my ipod it works for about 1000 tracks and then slows down to a snails pace (like one track every 5 minutes). Eventually it skips the rest and does the artwork and gapless info, and then says they were all failed to be added.

Any ideas?

Edit: Everything that IS put on my ipod comes under 'other' and is unplayable...
Oh yeah, and where it pauses it says a few of the tracks on that one album are corrupted and the rest of the 9k~ tracks have the error message
"Failed to add file to iPod:I/O error (win32#1005)" [The last number varies]
and i get "Error writing iTunesDB file : I/O error (win32 #1005)" as a general error.

Edit2: It does seem to have a similar problem with itunes. Wondering whether my ipods for the bin.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Kirill77 on 2010-10-10 13:17:16
Hi everyone. When i add to foobar single file mp3+cue, and send it to iPod, in the end of synchronization appears this: Failed to add file to iPod: files with chapters are not currently supported by foo_dop. How to solve this problem? Sorry for my poor english.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-10-10 16:17:54
Thanks for the reply.  I was basically looking for an "album artist" feature and the ipod still lacks that (which is ridiculous).  I was hoping "sort artist" would be a way to do that.  I guess not.  I'm using the "composer" on the ipod as an "album artist."  It works but isn't the most intuitive thing.
You can still do this (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#how_can_i_make_my_ipod_display_album_artists_in_place_of_track_artists)...

My stats and ratings also do not carry over on rewrite database.
They are being read as normal, I'll investigate some more..

i get this error when starting foobar:

ipod manager: failed to query registry for apple application support directory - the system cannot find the file specified.
Obviously I fail at writing error messages, but the implication is that Apple Application Support is not installed. Make sure Apple Application Support and Apple Mobile Device Support are up-to-date.

However, if you're using a device earlier than the iphone 4, etc, just use foo_dop v0.6.8.3 (http://yuo.be/ipod.php)which doesn't require iPhoneCalc.dll.
No, you only need iPhoneCalc.dll for newer devices. Better to use 0.6.8.4.

Please let me know if what I am asking is doable, or am I just SOL.
Are you copying the files from the device? File operations should allow you to use %list_index% and if you load the playlists from View/iPod devices they should be in order.

Any ideas?
Well, the error is "The volume does not contain a recognized file system. Please make sure that all required file system drivers are loaded and that the volume is not corrupted". Obviously that doesn't sound good, but you can check the drive's SMART data (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#i_have_a_hard_drive_based_ipod_and_i_experience_certain_errors_or_hangs_when_accessing_certain_files).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Strykz on 2010-10-10 16:45:40
Any ideas?
Well, the error is "The volume does not contain a recognized file system. Please make sure that all required file system drivers are loaded and that the volume is not corrupted". Obviously that doesn't sound good, but you can check the drive's SMART data (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#i_have_a_hard_drive_based_ipod_and_i_experience_certain_errors_or_hangs_when_accessing_certain_files).


Thanks for the speedy reply. The test reads:
Retracts : 3
Reallocs: 2344
Pending Sectors: 72

I take it this is bad? Beyond fixing I guess?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mirasch on 2010-10-11 15:59:24
I tried searching, and if I missed something I would be thankful for a link or whatever.

See, my problem is that with some tracks i get the "failed to add gapless data to ipod" error message, and these tracks wont play on my ipod, but instead he kinda freezes and I have to restart him if I try playing one of them. Foobar and other players have no problem reading and playing the tracks from the ipod (!), not the pc. 

So the big question is: Can I do anything about it? Are the files really corrupted and if so, can I repair them somehow?

thx mirasch
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Burrfoot11 on 2010-10-11 18:08:45
Please let me know if what I am asking is doable, or am I just SOL.
Are you copying the files from the device? File operations should allow you to use %list_index% and if you load the playlists from View/iPod devices they should be in order.

I have the iPod playlist loaded in Foobar. The playlist .mp3 files live on the iPod, and I can copy those files (ex DRFM.mp3) to a directory on my PC. Now I have the files backed up to PC, I can rename the XXXX.mp3 to filenames based off the ID3 tags, but again, I lose the playlist order. I want to be able to insert the %list_index% metadata into the songs while they still live on the iPod before I copy over to the PC. Then I can sort the playlist via the %list_index% metadata and have my original playlist order back.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ScribeOfTheMist on 2010-10-12 21:42:24
Awesome!  Thanks for the 0.6.8.4 update.  It seems to work just fine with my iPhone 4 running iOS 4.1.  I went ahead and uploaded the correct iPhoneCalc.dll so that others don't need to get MediaMonkey to get it.

http://drop.io/m1ttxdv/asset/iphonecalc-dll (http://drop.io/m1ttxdv/asset/iphonecalc-dll)


Thank you!!!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ElvisElvis on 2010-10-14 15:23:16
My stats and ratings also do not carry over on rewrite database.
They are being read as normal, I'll investigate some more..

Rating sync does not work after sync with iTunes (not music, but contacts, notes etc).
"Manually manage music and videos" is checked of course.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sixth Street on 2010-10-16 01:49:34
Feature request:  Is there a way to implement transcoding/syncing (playlist) profiles per unique device?

I'm now trying to use the plugin for my wife's iphone and I'd like to put 192VBR AAC on her device and keep mine on ALAC.  And I would like to sync 15 or so playlists to each device, so checking and unchecking playlists to sync is a bit of a pain each time I do it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lokioki on 2010-10-16 18:04:26
edited my "problem" away.

"For iPhone or iPod touch devices you need to enable “mobile device support” in the Foobar2000 preferences under Tools → iPod Manager → Mobile Devices." Please excuse my stupidity, everything works now
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: chongy5 on 2010-10-16 19:32:45
Also getting the issue of main database songs not updating. Is this due to the upgrade of Playback Statistics?

foobar2000 v1.1
Playback Stats 3.0.1 (issue was occurring with 3 as well though)
foo_dop 0.6.8.4 (issue was occurring with 0.6.7.7 as well)

iPod Classic, 7th Gen
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: StrangeSavage on 2010-10-17 07:36:20
not sure if it's the right place to put feature requests in, but I'm begging you, Mr. Developer, please add support for new iPod nano (6 gen, the square one), oh please ! with every hour of using this excessive monster (I mean iTunes) I'm getting more and more crazy !  foobar is so much more convenient and faster and logical.
thank you a lot in advance.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: David Heath on 2010-10-19 22:35:13
I'm having a problem getting this to install properly.

I've copied the iPhonecalc and foo_dop DLLs into the Components directory, but for some reason my iPod Manager tab is displaying the old version of the component complete with "This is a legacy preferences page" error. In the Components list, the iPod Manager component is greyed out.

Have I just loaded it into the application incorrectly?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: n1ght3y3s on 2010-10-21 00:28:41
Hi there all,

Sorry if this question has been covered earlier but I couldn't find it anywhere. The main site for this plugin says it supports up to iPod Nano 5G. Are there any plans for getting 6G supported?

Thanks in advance.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Porthos59 on 2010-10-21 17:08:02
Any chance you could add a feature
Point the output of IPM to a folder instead of transferring selected songs to a i-device ?
A Folder would have all the m4a files

Reason:
All my music is in flac format with Lyrics and no album art is in the flac file. I only have the album art in album folder.
When it comes time to updating the ipod touch 3g to new OS I loose all my songs and have to re-send them back to my Ipod.
btw I don't use itunes except to load new OS

It doesn't seem like much but it take 6+ hours to do so and mostly because IPM is converting flac to m4a.
I must say IPM does a very good job because not only is the audio there but the album art, and lyrics too.

Hope you consider this request

Much thanks
Donating user
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: David Heath on 2010-10-23 17:04:11
I'm having a problem getting this to install properly.

I've copied the iPhonecalc and foo_dop DLLs into the Components directory, but for some reason my iPod Manager tab is displaying the old version of the component complete with "This is a legacy preferences page" error. In the Components list, the iPod Manager component is greyed out.

Have I just loaded it into the application incorrectly?

Still having trouble, unfortunately.

Perhaps it's to do with a botched installation of fb2k v1.0?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2010-10-25 00:56:05
I'm having a problem getting this to install properly.

I've copied the iPhonecalc and foo_dop DLLs into the Components directory, but for some reason my iPod Manager tab is displaying the old version of the component complete with "This is a legacy preferences page" error. In the Components list, the iPod Manager component is greyed out.

Have I just loaded it into the application incorrectly?

Still having trouble, unfortunately.

Perhaps it's to do with a botched installation of fb2k v1.0?


iPhoneCalc.dll goes in the root foobar directory, not in the components directory.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: chongy5 on 2010-10-25 23:16:34
My stats and ratings also do not carry over on rewrite database.
They are being read as normal, I'll investigate some more..


Any luck on this so far? I can provide additional information if necessary 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sixth Street on 2010-10-26 06:33:37
My stats and ratings also do not carry over on rewrite database.
They are being read as normal, I'll investigate some more..


Any luck on this so far? I can provide additional information if necessary 


My playcounts and ratings work fine with my iPod 5.5G.  It's just that my iPhone 4 does not.  I don't think it's a foo_playcount issue.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ElvisElvis on 2010-10-26 10:16:38
My stats and ratings also do not carry over on rewrite database.
They are being read as normal, I'll investigate some more..


Any luck on this so far? I can provide additional information if necessary 

I get same issue, so any info about that will be great.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: khalpz on 2010-10-26 18:35:38
I'm having trouble getting my 6th gen iPod Classic to work with foobar2000

So I got foo_dop and put it in the components folder. I connected my iPod and attempted to "get my iPod working". I went to File -> iPod -> send playlists and sent my default playlist, which has everything. After 20 - 30 minutes of waiting hopefully, I got a huge error list saying "x not ready". I can't remember what it said wasn't ready and I only thought of taking a screenshot after exiting it. I'd imagine it's a common issue though.

Have any of you had any experience with this sort of problem?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: David Heath on 2010-10-26 22:01:50
iPhoneCalc.dll goes in the root foobar directory, not in the components directory.

Fantastic - thanks for your help.

With this, Spotify and the new VLC app which has just gone live, I'm worried I'm going to start wishing my commute was longer!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: chongy5 on 2010-10-27 07:29:15
My playcounts and ratings work fine with my iPod 5.5G.  It's just that my iPhone 4 does not.  I don't think it's a foo_playcount issue.


That's interesting - whilst my iPod classic isn't that new, it still seems to be new enough to fall into the same troubleshooting category as an iPhone 4. Hmm.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ghostdivision on 2010-10-29 03:37:23
Can anyone answer this question. I just started using foobar, so far its great, everythings working. I have a flac library, when I add it to itunes and it converts it to m4a using aac encoder  does it go into apple loseless format? Is this possible or will I have to convert them to apple loseless before syncing?

Thank you whoever can answer this!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sixth Street on 2010-10-29 06:42:01
Can anyone answer this question. I just started using foobar, so far its great, everythings working. I have a flac library, when I add it to itunes and it converts it to m4a using aac encoder  does it go into apple loseless format? Is this possible or will I have to convert them to apple loseless before syncing?

Thank you whoever can answer this!


To convert to Apple Lossless (ALAC) on the fly during send to iPod or sync with iPod function

1. Download ffmpeg command line encoder from here: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/ffmpeg (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/ffmpeg)
2. Put ffmpeg.exe where ever you want on your hard drive.
3. In foobar, go to preferences - tools - iPod Manager
4. Go to conversion tab, check Convert audio tracks in unsupported formats, enter full path to ffmpeg.exe for encoder, enter '-y -i - -acodec alac %d' (without the quotes) in the parameters section, and enter 'm4a' for extension.  You can check the ReplayGain scan if you want to use it on your iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rrose on 2010-10-31 03:37:21
iPod management component for foobar2000 0.9.5+.

Home page with details and download (http://yuo.be/ipod.php)

Notes/FAQs/changelog available here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start). If you read the notes and FAQs before asking any questions, it will keep me happy

When posting problem reports, include:
-Operating system
-iPod/iPhone model and firmware version


I've been trying to get to the documentation page and keep getting the following error message

"The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@yuo.be and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."

I've received this on both Firefox 3.6.12 and some older version of IE that's on this computer.

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pinoniceusagi on 2010-10-31 23:43:06
Hello! Question time!

I have this one compilation album by “Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers” on my iPod Nano, but some of the tracks on it were actually released as “Tom Petty” solo releases back in the day. For these solo tracks, I’ve listed “Tom Petty” in the tag’s “Artist” field, and “Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers” in the “Album Artist” field. This makes everything perfectly in foobar. However, when I access “Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers” on my iPod Nano, the solo are not listed. Is there a way to fix this using foobar/foo_dop/my iPod settings?

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ghostdivision on 2010-11-01 01:13:00
Can anyone answer this question. I just started using foobar, so far its great, everythings working. I have a flac library, when I add it to itunes and it converts it to m4a using aac encoder  does it go into apple loseless format? Is this possible or will I have to convert them to apple loseless before syncing?

Thank you whoever can answer this!


To convert to Apple Lossless (ALAC) on the fly during send to iPod or sync with iPod function

1. Download ffmpeg command line encoder from here: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/ffmpeg (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/ffmpeg)
2. Put ffmpeg.exe where ever you want on your hard drive.
3. In foobar, go to preferences - tools - iPod Manager
4. Go to conversion tab, check Convert audio tracks in unsupported formats, enter full path to ffmpeg.exe for encoder, enter '-y -i - -acodec alac %d' (without the quotes) in the parameters section, and enter 'm4a' for extension.  You can check the ReplayGain scan if you want to use it on your iPod.




Thank you for your help. Is their anyway just to make sure that I can verify the songs on my iphone are indeed in alac format?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zepdad on 2010-11-03 21:40:05
Could somebody explain me how to add covers for my IPod classic 5G. I can't figure out where to place the covers and what to type into source script.


So, the cover is either embedded in the files themselves (using a program like mp3tag), or you'll have external image files.  Those image files should be named in accordance with the album art section of the display settings in the preference window.  Most commonly, you'll want them to be titled Folder.jpg or Folder.png depending on the file type.  As long as foobar correctly displays the album art, foo_dop will correctly put it in the iPod.



I strongly disagree with the comment that "As long as foobar correctly displays the album art, foo_dop will correctly put in in the iPod".  I and other users have encountered situations where album art does not sync correctly, yet displays perfectly fine in foobar.  A quick search of this forum reveals many artwork problems.  In my opinion there continues to be an unidentified bug or design flaw that, for whatever reason, prevents the proper syncing of album art in ALL situations.  The problem for users, and thus musicmusic, is identifying the exact circumstances (both hardware and software) that causes errors, thus preventing an appropriate fix. 

I bring this topic up (again) because just yesterday I performed a sync of my 6G iPod after making a large number of changes to my music collection.  The changes included adding/replacing songs as well as tagging updates.  (I'm using the latest 0.6.8.4 version of the component.)  The sync went well with no file errors......but now much of my artwork is complete fubar (pun sadly intended).  Many covers are improperly linked despite each track having the correct embedded cover.  This is not my first encounter with this problem so I decided to do a full reset in iTunes.  I synced again in foobar and had the same problem.  I reset a second time then sent a group of individual tracks to the iPod using the Send to iPod command.  Same artwork error again.  I know for a fact this is not a tagging issue since I am very careful using MP3Tag.  All my artwork is embedded. 

I am going to perform additional testing with library structures, artwork type, even component builds, and report back.  There is something structurally happening I can't yet figure out.  musicmusic has told me before that the design is "one cover per album name" but I don't think he meant that the component should randomly assign the SAME cover to multiple album names.  Especially when the correct embedded album cover is available in every track.  In my case I suspect the error might be related to my library structure--although musicmusic previously dismissed this as an issue.  As described in earlier posts I don't physically separate all albums into individual folders on my hard drive.  Instead I use artist "best of" folders but with proper album names and artwork assigned to each track. (These folders are not tagged iPod compilations by the way.)  Strangely the component grabs a cover from within that artist folder--never from another artist folder--and assigns that cover to all (or some) of the tracks within the folder, regardless of album name.  Of course, as expected, if it's just one album in the folder it's not a problem; the correct art is always used since there is only one cover for all tracks anyway.  Sorry for the lengthy post and showing my frustration.  More to follow.... 

musicmusic, are there any tests you would like to see performed?  I have a clean 6G ipod and intend to use a temporary library of 100+/- songs in various folder structures for my tests. 

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: khalpz on 2010-11-04 03:43:18
I've tried putting my music on my iPod again using foobar2000 and I had the same problems as before:

"I'm having trouble getting my 6th gen iPod Classic to work with foobar2000

So I got foo_dop and put it in the components folder. I connected my iPod and attempted to "get my iPod working". I went to File -> iPod -> send playlists and sent my default playlist, which has everything. After 20 - 30 minutes of waiting hopefully, I got a huge error list saying "x not ready". I can't remember what it said wasn't ready and I only thought of taking a screenshot after exiting it. I'd imagine it's a common issue though.

Have any of you had any experience with this sort of problem?"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zepdad on 2010-11-04 10:54:47
I've tried putting my music on my iPod again using foobar2000 and I had the same problems as before:

"I'm having trouble getting my 6th gen iPod Classic to work with foobar2000

So I got foo_dop and put it in the components folder. I connected my iPod and attempted to "get my iPod working". I went to File -> iPod -> send playlists and sent my default playlist, which has everything. After 20 - 30 minutes of waiting hopefully, I got a huge error list saying "x not ready". I can't remember what it said wasn't ready and I only thought of taking a screenshot after exiting it. I'd imagine it's a common issue though.

Have any of you had any experience with this sort of problem?"


I've had my share of issues, but not connectivity.  Make sure iPod is being seen by computer first.  Does iTunes see it?  Does it show up as a HDD in Windows Explorer?  I would first try another USB port.  USB is notoriously finnicky about about power consumption.  Your hard drive based iPod requires 500mA, the max by spec a USB port can provide.  But not all ports deliver 500mA in my experience.  A powered hub will solve a power issue for good.  If that's not the problem, try this troubleshooting page direct from Apple Apple Connectivity Support (http://support.apple.com/kb/ts1369).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zepdad on 2010-11-04 11:41:11
Found a workaround for the my artwork problem.  One word: Floola.  This 3rd party iPod manager has a feature to rebuild the artwork database using embedded covers only.  Just what I needed.  Floola is available here Floola Home (http://www.floola.com/home/main/).  I know, I know, it's blasphemy for a loyal foobar user to even consider another manager but I was desperate.  I continue to have hope that foo_dop artwork issues can be solved.

It wasn't exactly "plug and play" though.  Floola is finnicky when other 3rd party managers have been used, like foobar, and throws initialization errors.  In my case I simply unplugged from foobar, connected to iTunes, closed iTunes, then started Floola.  YMMV though.  I also went through a full reset first, verified Floola connectivity (Floola adds some files to ipod_control), then synced with foobar.  Even with this, I had to temporarily reconnect to iTunes before jumping back to Floola after the sync.  Silly I know.  (Note: I was running Floola from my local HDD, not from the iPod itself, which many people do. I did not try that option.)

Another word of caution:  If using field mapping do not click on a track in iTunes.  It will undo the mapping and reset it to iTunes default.  I found this out the hard way.  As a precaution I also was careful using Floola.  I only used the artwork repair tool then exited.  Overall it looks like Floola is a pretty decent tool, a number of interesting features and reasonably well maintained.  The lack of replaygain support and field mapping eliminates it from broader use, though.  I still need my foobar.   

Now the question is what will happen to album covers when adding new tracks with foobar....?

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: David Heath on 2010-11-07 20:45:45
I'm using an iPhone 4 and I'm having trouble using the 'Synchronise...' option.

Selecting this will attempt to synchronise any checked playlists, which is fine, but in the preview window which next appears fb2k notifies me that it'll remove my iPhone's books. All the books I have on the device are listed with the Remove action next to them, and of course, I don't want to remove them.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: khalpz on 2010-11-11 12:12:56
I've tried putting my music on my iPod again using foobar2000 and I had the same problems as before:

"I'm having trouble getting my 6th gen iPod Classic to work with foobar2000

So I got foo_dop and put it in the components folder. I connected my iPod and attempted to "get my iPod working". I went to File -> iPod -> send playlists and sent my default playlist, which has everything. After 20 - 30 minutes of waiting hopefully, I got a huge error list saying "x not ready". I can't remember what it said wasn't ready and I only thought of taking a screenshot after exiting it. I'd imagine it's a common issue though.

Have any of you had any experience with this sort of problem?"


I've had my share of issues, but not connectivity.  Make sure iPod is being seen by computer first.  Does iTunes see it?  Does it show up as a HDD in Windows Explorer?  I would first try another USB port.  USB is notoriously finnicky about about power consumption.  Your hard drive based iPod requires 500mA, the max by spec a USB port can provide.  But not all ports deliver 500mA in my experience.  A powered hub will solve a power issue for good.  If that's not the problem, try this troubleshooting page direct from Apple Apple Connectivity Support (http://support.apple.com/kb/ts1369).


I deleted iTunes before syncing my iPod to my foobar library. I thought that iTunes wasn't needed anymore. Should I install iTunes again even though I'm not using it really?

I'll try another USB too.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: David Heath on 2010-11-11 19:45:10
I'm using an iPhone 4 and I'm having trouble using the 'Synchronise...' option.

Selecting this will attempt to synchronise any checked playlists, which is fine, but in the preview window which next appears fb2k notifies me that it'll remove my iPhone's books. All the books I have on the device are listed with the Remove action next to them, and of course, I don't want to remove them.

In addition to this problem, I'd also like to know about the transcoding process that foo_dop uses. If my library is composed of FLAC files, then what will exist on my iPod after the transfer? Will they be MP3 or AAC, and if so, what bitrate?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pri3st on 2010-11-11 20:41:07
I'm using an iPhone 4 and I'm having trouble using the 'Synchronise...' option.

Selecting this will attempt to synchronise any checked playlists, which is fine, but in the preview window which next appears fb2k notifies me that it'll remove my iPhone's books. All the books I have on the device are listed with the Remove action next to them, and of course, I don't want to remove them.

In addition to this problem, I'd also like to know about the transcoding process that foo_dop uses. If my library is composed of FLAC files, then what will exist on my iPod after the transfer? Will they be MP3 or AAC, and if so, what bitrate?


Whatever codec and bitrate you choose on the preferences pages of the plugin.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zachncheeze on 2010-11-13 02:03:07
Scrobbling to last.fm from iPod does not seem to work anymore! I am pretty sad about this!

It used to work fine until recently - I use foo_audioscrobble and foo_dop with an iPod touch 2nd gen and the 4.0 software or whatever, which is supported yet when I sync my ipod my last.fm doesn't update, my cache contains 0 tracks, and playing a song in my library doesn't update last.fm with any of my plays.

I use my ipod more than my PC to listen to music, so this is pretty sad. I may have to go back to using itunes at this rate... or winamp... if I can't scrobble, I'm sad.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Harun on 2010-11-13 06:56:32
can someone tell me their mapping value for the compilation field in database tab of the preferences? mine somehow got messed up 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-11-13 13:32:35
can someone tell me their mapping value for the compilation field in database tab of the preferences? mine somehow got messed up 


Totes depends on how you want it to decide what's a compilation. I like mine to be called compilations if the "album artist" differs from the "artist" field, so I have this possibly overcomplicated thing:
Code: [Select]
$if($or($and($greater($len($meta(BAND)),1),$not($strcmp($meta(BAND),$meta(artist)))),$and($greater($len($meta(album artist)),1),$not($strcmp($meta(album artist),$meta(artist))))),1,%ipod_compilation%)


You could probably just go with:
Code: [Select]
$if($strcmp($meta(album artist),Various Artists),%ipod_compilation%)

-if you use "Various Artists" as album artist in foobar to denote a compilation.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: chongy5 on 2010-11-14 10:23:22
Scrobbling to last.fm from iPod does not seem to work anymore! I am pretty sad about this!

It used to work fine until recently - I use foo_audioscrobble and foo_dop with an iPod touch 2nd gen and the 4.0 software or whatever, which is supported yet when I sync my ipod my last.fm doesn't update, my cache contains 0 tracks, and playing a song in my library doesn't update last.fm with any of my plays.

I use my ipod more than my PC to listen to music, so this is pretty sad. I may have to go back to using itunes at this rate... or winamp... if I can't scrobble, I'm sad.


The problem some of us have been having is that whilst last.fm scrobbling does work, updating playback statistics in your media library does not (check further up the thread - unfortunately it's gone quiet since, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed). From the sound of it, your problem is more just to do with foo_audioscrobbler itself, seeing as it doesn't update last.fm with any plays from your media library either.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-11-14 19:33:47
Does anyone want to help with nano 6G testing? Just a couple of people to try out a new version.

Thanks

[edit] Testing now done.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zachncheeze on 2010-11-14 20:38:59
Scrobbling to last.fm from iPod does not seem to work anymore! I am pretty sad about this!

It used to work fine until recently - I use foo_audioscrobble and foo_dop with an iPod touch 2nd gen and the 4.0 software or whatever, which is supported yet when I sync my ipod my last.fm doesn't update, my cache contains 0 tracks, and playing a song in my library doesn't update last.fm with any of my plays.

I use my ipod more than my PC to listen to music, so this is pretty sad. I may have to go back to using itunes at this rate... or winamp... if I can't scrobble, I'm sad.


The problem some of us have been having is that whilst last.fm scrobbling does work, updating playback statistics in your media library does not (check further up the thread - unfortunately it's gone quiet since, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed). From the sound of it, your problem is more just to do with foo_audioscrobbler itself, seeing as it doesn't update last.fm with any plays from your media library either.


That's what I thought at first too, but suddenly, my media library began scrobbling again. So my media library when I run from my PC scrobbles, but not my iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vort3x on 2010-11-16 07:49:35
Does anyone want to help with nano 6G testing? Just a couple of people to try out a new version.

Thanks


Willing
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: andromedanevel on 2010-11-16 11:20:13
I also would like to help testing. I just got a new nano 6G and I'm so annoyed that Apple changed things to force us to use iTunes
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: danw635 on 2010-11-18 03:10:19
I tested foo_dop 0.6.8.4 and iPhoneCalc.dll with my iPad running iOS 4.2(8C134b)

I am able to copy music(with album art and ratings) to the iPad quite nicely. I can go into the iPod app and see everything normally as if it were transferred from iTunes.

However, when I sync the iPad with iTunes(for calendars, pictures and apps) all the music is deleted - even if I have 'Sync Music' unchecked.

Id imagine that iTunes is just overwriting the music DB, but I dont know how to stop that from happening.

Is there a way to prevent iTunes from deleting my music?
If not, Id be willing to help test anything with my iPad.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-11-18 19:41:05
Hi,

Did you enable "Manually manage music and videos"? Just unticking "Sync music" is telling iTunes you don't want any music on there.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Habitats on 2010-11-18 20:46:45
How is 6G support looking?

I can't stand iTunes!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-11-18 22:20:54
Regarding play stats/ratings issues, they are being reported correctly therefore I do not see any issues on my side. [edit] Actually, for me it is working if the original file is in the media library. Also, don't forget that the plays/ratings will be lost if you use iTunes first.

How is 6G support looking?
The feedback was positive, so look for news at the weekend.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-11-18 22:32:52
[...]musicmusic, are there any tests you would like to see performed?  I have a clean 6G ipod and intend to use a temporary library of 100+/- songs in various folder structures for my tests.
If you are finding that all tracks in the same folder are being assigned the same artwork, then your problem is almost certainly to do with folder.jpg.

Ensure that foobar2000 and iPod manager are both set to not read it. If it's in the foobar2000 defaults, then you should also have a whinge at someone.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: andromedanevel on 2010-11-18 22:55:32
I now also tested the new foo_dop and everything seems to work. I now updated my foobar2000 and the playlist statistics to get the rating on my ipod and back in foobar. But if I now want to synchronize my ipod and i pick a few playlists to sync with the ipod, it wants to add all the music i have (~10.000 songs). I can add playlists to the ipod with the option "send playlist", but this is not the same as synchronizing because now when sending the same playlist a second time, I get twice the same playlist on my ipod. With synchronizing this didn't happen before wiht my old ipod 4g. What can be the case here?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-11-18 23:01:28
Hi,
You can untick "Media library" when syncing if you don't want your whole library on the device. Only what is in the selected playlists will remain on your iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: danw635 on 2010-11-18 23:55:36
Hi,

Did you enable "Manually manage music and videos"? Just unticking "Sync music" is telling iTunes you don't want any music on there.



Thank you! Now it works.
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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: andromedanevel on 2010-11-19 07:36:20
Hi,
You can untick "Media library" when syncing if you don't want your whole library on the device. Only what is in the selected playlists will remain on your iPod.


  Whoops, now I feel silly. I guess that setting was off by default in the previous foo_dop. Never guessed that was the reason. Great, then the new plugin works totally and I can ditch iTunes once more! Thank you very much!!!!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sonicroxs on 2010-11-19 17:31:19
Hi,
For some reason, when I synced my iPod touch 2G with foobar (using the latest iPod manager plugin), the Artists view on Music now have letters on top of the artists (letter grouping) like this:
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/854/img0001lm.png)

How can I remove this? It doesn't happen with iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: chongy5 on 2010-11-19 20:23:48
Regarding play stats/ratings issues, they are being reported correctly therefore I do not see any issues on my side. [edit] Actually, for me it is working if the original file is in the media library. Also, don't forget that the plays/ratings will be lost if you use iTunes first.

How is 6G support looking?
The feedback was positive, so look for news at the weekend.


Could I just check what version of Playback Statistics you are using?

I'll have a look again the next time I sync, but it certainly was with files that had not been modified since the previous sync. Will let you know.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-11-19 23:07:12
Hi,
For some reason, when I synced my iPod touch 2G with foobar (using the latest iPod manager plugin), the Artists view on Music now have letters on top of the artists (letter grouping) like this:
[...]How can I remove this? It doesn't happen with iTunes.
Generally those headings are there. I guess it is possible they are hidden when there are only a few entries but it would be bizarre if that was controlled by the component. Can you tell me what the language is set to on the device under Settings/General/International (English or British English I guess)?

Could I just check what version of Playback Statistics you are using?

I'll have a look again the next time I sync, but it certainly was with files that had not been modified since the previous sync. Will let you know.
I tested the current version, 3.0.1. The only other thing that comes to mind is if the links to DopDB are being lost - check if in 'Manage contents' the tracks have 'yes' under 'In DopDB'.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: emte on 2010-11-20 18:56:38
hi.

how to make ipod sort artists in chronflow by album artist? I I've tried tagging files with ARTISTSORTORDER but nothing's changed. Also tried using sort artist in the preferences of foo_dop and placing %album artist% but that's also changed nothing. I'm really frustred because i have multiple values in artist field and it makes show one album a couple of times with different artists. Any ideas?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-11-21 13:50:14
OK, version 0.6.8.5 released.

For nano 6G support you need to get an updated iPhoneCalc.dll from the current version of MediaMonkey (3.2.3.1303). Copy it to your foobar2000 directory.

I need more feedback on nano 6G support so please let me know how you get on.

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: chongy5 on 2010-11-21 18:43:29
I tested the current version, 3.0.1. The only other thing that comes to mind is if the links to DopDB are being lost - check if in 'Manage contents' the tracks have 'yes' under 'In DopDB'.


DopDB were all 'yes'. Just synced, my most recent files (I have a Recently Added playlist) all seemed to update with stats in the media library just fine, but some of the other songs didn't - however, they were aimed at a playlist which has entries, but for which there are no longer any files (in foobar itself). A definite improvement, whatever has happened...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: MWP on 2010-11-22 08:45:26
So i just reinstalled win7 x64, and have been trying to use foo_dop-0.6.8.4.
It worked fine with my iPod 6G, but im having problems with my iPhone 3GS.

Ive been getting the "iPod manager: Failed to query registry for Apple" error.

I saw people say to go back to the 0.6.8.3 version, but i get the same error??
I also just tried the 0.6.8.5 version with the iPhoneCalc.dll in place, but then get a different error.
"Please install or reinstall Apple Application Support. (Error: Failed to query registry for AAS directory - The system cannot find the file specified.  )"

Anyone know what the problem is??

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2010-11-22 13:06:55
"Please install or reinstall Apple Application Support. (Error: Failed to query registry for AAS directory - The system cannot find the file specified.  )"

Anyone know what the problem is??


Do you have iTunes installed? Or at least the two services that foo_dop requires, as per the documentation (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#requirements)?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tolga7t on 2010-11-22 15:51:53
nano 6g worked like a charm for me! I am using the latest version of foobar (1.1.1) & ipod manager (0.6.8.5)

After copying Media Monkey's iphonecalc.dll to the foobar directory, everything just worked so smoothly.

Thank you for all your efforts and hard work people!!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: emte on 2010-11-22 20:50:43
Anyone knows why custom sorting isn't working?

Foobar 1.1.1
ipod classic 160gb '09
foo_dop 0.6.8.5
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-11-22 21:11:23
iOS 4.2.1 compatibility: appears to work fine. This version of iOS appears to be a few bugs in its post-process database command list, including an obvious typo, so there is a little bit of noise in the console but this doesn't seem to have a noticeable impact.

nano 6g worked like a charm for me! I am using the latest version of foobar (1.1.1) & ipod manager (0.6.8.5)

After copying Media Monkey's iphonecalc.dll to the foobar directory, everything just worked so smoothly.

Thank you for all your efforts and hard work people!!
Great, thanks for the feedback.

Anyone knows why custom sorting isn't working?
If you just changed the remappings you then need to use the 'Update metadata' command on the tracks (from 'Load library'). Otherwise explain in more detail what you have done.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: emte on 2010-11-22 21:36:40

I did it. Generally I have placed "%album artist%" in Sort Artsit field. I also ticked "Allow use of sort order metadata fields from tags". I updated metadata on files. On my ipod, album in chronflow mode are still sorted by artist which makes ipod show one album a couple of time. For example, Robbie Williams - Sing When You're Singing and Robbie Williams, Kylie Minogue - Sing When You're Singing. Also tried with 'rewrite databse' but nothing's changed. Could it be that it doesn't access ipod's database?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-11-22 21:45:04
OK - firstly, do you mean chronflow or coverflow?

Secondly, sorting in this case doesn't refer to grouping, only order. You need to use the normal remapppings, not the sort ones, to change how they are grouped.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: emte on 2010-11-22 21:59:09
OK - firstly, do you mean chronflow or coverflow?

Secondly, sorting in this case doesn't refer to grouping, only order. You need to use the normal remapppings, not the sort ones, to change how they are grouped.


Yes, coverflow, sorry my bad

In other words I have to place "%album artist%" into artist field in remappings. But then again it shows album artist instead of artist in now playing, so when playing a compilation every artist would be shown as various artist and album artist where should be featuring artosts. Am I following right? Or is there some string/code that would  group artists in album artists?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: emte on 2010-11-23 15:34:55
What I need is the ability to have sort option  for any file. Just like in Itunes when you go into the properties of a song and select sorting. Is it possible?

When I set sort option in itunes everything's fine on the ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: chongy5 on 2010-11-23 20:53:45
@musicmusic

It seems to be partially working correctly.

When I did a sync, the Audioscrobbler update in the Console reported that there were 66 new plays imported. However, the foobar media library only reported an increase of 53 plays.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-11-23 22:28:06
What I need is the ability to have sort option  for any file. Just like in Itunes when you go into the properties of a song and select sorting. Is it possible?

When I set sort option in itunes everything's fine on the ipod.
The sort fields work the same way in iTunes. You can use ARTISTSORTORDER, ALBUMARTISTSORTORDER etc. on a per file basis with the 'Allow use of sort order metadata fields from tags' option enabled in prefs - but it won't help with your coverflow album grouping issue! You can consider using these remappings (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#how_can_i_make_my_ipod_display_album_artists_in_place_of_track_artists).

It seems to be partially working correctly.

When I did a sync, the Audioscrobbler update in the Console reported that there were 66 new plays imported. However, the foobar media library only reported an increase of 53 plays.
It will be down to one of the existing limitations e.g. original track must be in media library and can't have moved since first sync. What I can't answer is why the tracks being in the media library matters in Playback Statistics 3.x and it doesn't just use the metadata from the track on the device (well it may be due to file tag synchronisation or something).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: chongy5 on 2010-11-24 13:54:58
It will be down to one of the existing limitations e.g. original track must be in media library and can't have moved since first sync.


The only reason why I pointed it out is because some of the missing play counts that I knew for definite that were missing were on files that I was confident had not been changed or modified in anyway. However, I can't see how they are any different from some of the other files in different playlists? I don't mean to drag this out (all the responses so far have been appreciated); maybe it's just my end I guess.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-11-24 20:18:06
0.6.8.6 released, please upgrade if you are using 0.6.8.5.

The only reason why I pointed it out is because some of the missing play counts that I knew for definite that were missing were on files that I was confident had not been changed or modified in anyway. However, I can't see how they are any different from some of the other files in different playlists? I don't mean to drag this out (all the responses so far have been appreciated); maybe it's just my end I guess.
Well, I can describe the process to make things clearer:
1. iPod manager receives plays from the device.
2. iPod manager looks up original file path (and subsong) through DopDB entry.
3. This and other information is received by Playback Statistics.
4. Playback Statistics would then presumably check if the original track is currently in the media library, and only process it if so.

Now the failure analysis:

1. No problem here as they were scrobbled OK.
2. Would have succeeded if 'In DopDB' is yes in 'Manage contents'.
3. The same information is pushed to all receivers so no problem here.
4. It would not be processed if file path had changed in any way, file was from another computer etc.

Now there is no way currently to check the value of the original file path stored (other than nosing around in the dopdb file) , and it does suck somewhat that the file can't have moved or be renamed. But hopefully you will now have an understanding of where the process is breaking down.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: chongy5 on 2010-11-24 23:09:52
Just tried with a smaller subset of plays (23). Audioscrobbler and Playback Stats data matches - great!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: magagam on 2010-11-28 22:41:30
nano 6g working great!

settings:
-foobar (1.0.3)
-ipod manager (0.6.8.6)
-latest iphonecalc.dll

Many many many thanks for your support 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: David Heath on 2010-12-01 15:16:49
I'm using an iPhone 4 and I'm having trouble using the 'Synchronise...' option.

Selecting this will attempt to synchronise any checked playlists, which is fine, but in the preview window which next appears fb2k notifies me that it'll remove my iPhone's books. All the books I have on the device are listed with the Remove action next to them, and of course, I don't want to remove them.

I'm still having to use the 'Send playlists...' option instead of 'Synchronise...' for this reason.

Has anyone else come across this? Short of just removing my books, what can I do?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: OOOOPS on 2010-12-01 20:41:44
Can anyone answer this question. I just started using foobar, so far its great, everythings working. I have a flac library, when I add it to itunes and it converts it to m4a using aac encoder  does it go into apple loseless format? Is this possible or will I have to convert them to apple loseless before syncing?

Thank you whoever can answer this!


To convert to Apple Lossless (ALAC) on the fly during send to iPod or sync with iPod function

1. Download ffmpeg command line encoder from here: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/ffmpeg (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/ffmpeg)
2. Put ffmpeg.exe where ever you want on your hard drive.
3. In foobar, go to preferences - tools - iPod Manager
4. Go to conversion tab, check Convert audio tracks in unsupported formats, enter full path to ffmpeg.exe for encoder, enter '-y -i - -acodec alac %d' (without the quotes) in the parameters section, and enter 'm4a' for extension.  You can check the ReplayGain scan if you want to use it on your iPod.



Thank You!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sixth Street on 2010-12-02 02:43:55
I'm using an iPhone 4 and I'm having trouble using the 'Synchronise...' option.

Selecting this will attempt to synchronise any checked playlists, which is fine, but in the preview window which next appears fb2k notifies me that it'll remove my iPhone's books. All the books I have on the device are listed with the Remove action next to them, and of course, I don't want to remove them.

I'm still having to use the 'Send playlists...' option instead of 'Synchronise...' for this reason.

Has anyone else come across this? Short of just removing my books, what can I do?


I came across this problem as well.  I don't think there is a solution to the conflict.  One thing you can try is to go ahead with the sync.  I have some ebooks synced through itunes, and each time I sync with foobar it tries to remove the books but never actually does due to an error.

Another workaround if you source your books outside of the itunes store, is to download Stanza in the app store and load your ebooks (ePub among other formats) though Stanza.  I find it to be overall a MUCH better ereader app than ibooks.  Stanza is much more "configuable" than ibooks, and it's free.  I don't use ibooks anymore.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: blorbx on 2010-12-03 22:50:54
Hi, is it possible to also include the TRACKNUMBER metadata field for sorting podcasts?  Most of my podcasts only have a YYYY tag for the DATE field, tracking down a YYYY-MM-DD for all my podcasts would be quite daunting.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Reflection on 2010-12-04 21:27:21
Great plugin, been using it on my ipod touch for awhile.

This might be a little off topic... for those who use this with an iphone how do you manage non-music files? Do you use Itunes to transfer photos/videos/apps to your computer and if so are their any issues with itunes trying to sync your music library? I'm considering an iphone 4 and was just wondering how others who use this plugin handle their non-music file types. Ideally I'd like to avoid itunes altogether.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-12-05 22:47:46
I'm still having to use the 'Send playlists...' option instead of 'Synchronise...' for this reason.

Has anyone else come across this? Short of just removing my books, what can I do?
Sorry! I misread your original post. It's fixed for the next build, hopefully out in the next few days.

Hi, is it possible to also include the TRACKNUMBER metadata field for sorting podcasts?  Most of my podcasts only have a YYYY tag for the DATE field, tracking down a YYYY-MM-DD for all my podcasts would be quite daunting.
OK I'll change that for the next build, but as far as I remember iOS devices handle the sorting of podcasts themselves, so if you have one of those I don't believe there will be any  change.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tberman333 on 2010-12-06 03:02:43
OK, version 0.6.8.5 released.

For nano 6G support you need to get an updated iPhoneCalc.dll from the current version of MediaMonkey (3.2.3.1303). Copy it to your foobar2000 directory.

I need more feedback on nano 6G support so please let me know how you get on.

Thanks


I just got my first iPod ever as a gift (I am not sure if I should admit this or not here, but I have never been a fan of Apple, so I never bought one for myself, but secretly I am excited to have it!)  It is the Nano 6G and I see that is is supported, but need the iPhoneCalc.dll installed to use it.  Is there a place to get the most recent version of this without installing MediaMonkey?  I saw that there was a link to download it here (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=724469), but that seems to be from version 3.2.3.1300 and I don't think that works with the 6G... at least it does not for me as I get an error message that says I need iPhoneCalc.dll for my device.

As a note, I do have foobar installed as portable, so I am not sue if that is what the problem is, but I assume it should work as long as iPhoneCalc.dll is in the root foobar2000 directory.

Thanks for this, and what I think is going to be an awesome component (since I still don't really like Apple, I can avoid installing iTunes on my PC!!)


Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jazzboyrules on 2010-12-07 21:38:39
I've tested myself and it does work.

There is a little delay before the device updates the file where the info is pulled from (~2 minutes) so I'm not sure if that is interfering with your testing.

Well, when I rate a song and leave my ipod for a while (not in a background), the next synchronization is successful. But the strange thing is that itunes' database doesn't need ~2min delay to sync successfully. 


Hi Mr developer [ musicmusic? ], Shinsou,

First of all thank you very much for this component, I am now free of iTunes for music sync.. I still need iTunes to sync apps and podcasts though.  But getting this music freedom is a big boon!

I am facing the same problem that Shinsou faced but I am not able to solve it the way it worked for him.

Here is what I am using:
foobar2000 v1.1.1
iPhone 3GS iOS 4.1

I was able to setup the music sync between iPhone and fb2k using foo_dop.

I also created a metafield called RATING in fb2k and I am able to copy all my manually set ratings in fb2k to iPhone when I run iPod synchronization.

Normally I listen to music in car and I rate them there too.  So by the time I sync the phone with fb2k it is anyways more than 2 minutes since I last changed music ratings on my phone. However everytime I run sync, the ratings in fb2k overwrite the my ratings made in phone.

Also I have not once synced my iPhone with iTunes since I started using fb2k, so I don't think that iTunes is messing up with the database on iPhone.

Any help??

Thank you.

Jazzboy
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jazzboyrules on 2010-12-07 22:50:10
I've tested myself and it does work.

There is a little delay before the device updates the file where the info is pulled from (~2 minutes) so I'm not sure if that is interfering with your testing.

Well, when I rate a song and leave my ipod for a while (not in a background), the next synchronization is successful. But the strange thing is that itunes' database doesn't need ~2min delay to sync successfully. 


Hi Mr developer [ musicmusic? ], Shinsou,

First of all thank you very much for this component, I am now free of iTunes for music sync.. I still need iTunes to sync apps and podcasts though.  But getting this music freedom is a big boon!
...
Jazzboy


I would like to correct my statement.. I am not able to use iTunes to sync Apps and Podcasts after I have synced music to iPhone using fb2k.  If I try to do so, it wipes off all my music on the phone, then I need to recopy all the music from fb2k to iPhone.. it's a long process!!...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-12-07 23:01:33
0.6.8.7 released, I've made some improvements to the progress dialogs (though let me know if I managed to break anything..)

I would like to correct my statement.. I am not able to use iTunes to sync Apps and Podcasts after I have synced music to iPhone using fb2k.  If I try to do so, it wipes off all my music on the phone, then I need to recopy all the music from fb2k to iPhone.. it's a long process!!...
Well, sounds like you didn't enable 'manually manage music and videos' in iTunes.

As for your ratings problem, you need to install and use the playback statistics component. The two minutes thing was fixed a long time ago, anyway.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2010-12-08 07:11:37
I like the new dialogs, but they steal focus too often.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-12-08 11:09:48
You are right, thanks, looking into it...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jazzboyrules on 2010-12-08 15:40:21
0.6.8.7 released, I've made some improvements to the progress dialogs (though let me know if I managed to break anything..)

I would like to correct my statement.. I am not able to use iTunes to sync Apps and Podcasts after I have synced music to iPhone using fb2k.  If I try to do so, it wipes off all my music on the phone, then I need to recopy all the music from fb2k to iPhone.. it's a long process!!...
Well, sounds like you didn't enable 'manually manage music and videos' in iTunes.

As for your ratings problem, you need to install and use the playback statistics component. The two minutes thing was fixed a long time ago, anyway.


@musicmusic
Thanks for the reply.

I did enable the manage music and video manually option.
As I don't use iTunes for music management, I have also emptied the music library... or do I need to keep the fb2k and iTunes library in sync?

I will try the playback stats component and update.

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jazzboyrules on 2010-12-08 15:49:37
0.6.8.7 released, I've made some improvements to the progress dialogs (though let me know if I managed to break anything..)

I would like to correct my statement.. I am not able to use iTunes to sync Apps and Podcasts after I have synced music to iPhone using fb2k.  If I try to do so, it wipes off all my music on the phone, then I need to recopy all the music from fb2k to iPhone.. it's a long process!!...
Well, sounds like you didn't enable 'manually manage music and videos' in iTunes.

As for your ratings problem, you need to install and use the playback statistics component. The two minutes thing was fixed a long time ago, anyway.



That was magical! Thanks, now my ratings are syncing.. just one thing...

I am still not able to sync apps and podcasts in iTunes without wiping off all my foobar-synced music.

Forgive my ignorance.  I have googled a lot, that's how I came to this forum, even tried searching the forum, but it's not helping.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jazzboyrules on 2010-12-08 16:29:32
Well, sounds like you didn't enable 'manually manage music and videos' in iTunes.


I guess I figured it out.  I had set manual management of music. But I also need to keep the iTunes and foobar library equally populated.  Is that correct?

If I added some song to the foobar library, synced that song to my phone, then if I forgot to add that song to the iTunes library too, and then if I synced the apps and all, iTunes will remove the songs from the phone which it doesn't find in its library.

So the solution is to just keep the iTunes and foobar library in sync all the time, correct?

Thank you musicmusic for all the help!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tberman333 on 2010-12-08 16:56:19
OK, version 0.6.8.5 released.

For nano 6G support you need to get an updated iPhoneCalc.dll from the current version of MediaMonkey (3.2.3.1303). Copy it to your foobar2000 directory.

I need more feedback on nano 6G support so please let me know how you get on.

Thanks


I just got my first iPod ever as a gift (I am not sure if I should admit this or not here, but I have never been a fan of Apple, so I never bought one for myself, but secretly I am excited to have it!)  It is the Nano 6G and I see that is is supported, but need the iPhoneCalc.dll installed to use it.  Is there a place to get the most recent version of this without installing MediaMonkey?  I saw that there was a link to download it here (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=724469), but that seems to be from version 3.2.3.1300 and I don't think that works with the 6G... at least it does not for me as I get an error message that says I need iPhoneCalc.dll for my device.

As a note, I do have foobar installed as portable, so I am not sue if that is what the problem is, but I assume it should work as long as iPhoneCalc.dll is in the root foobar2000 directory.

Thanks for this, and what I think is going to be an awesome component (since I still don't really like Apple, I can avoid installing iTunes on my PC!!)


Well... I guess I had to install iTunes to set the iPod up in the first place (more reason to hate apple... I had to register my name, phone, and give them a credit card number just to get the iPod to work!).  Anyway, it is working now. 

Also, I had to install (and then uninstall Media Monkey to get the correct iPhoneCalc.dll file.  For other peoples convenience though, I have uploaded the file so others can download it without having to install Media Monkey.  The file is here : iPhoneCalc (http://goo.gl/2WrKB).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-12-08 20:34:00
I like the new dialogs, but they steal focus too often.
Sound be fixed in 0.6.8.8.

I guess I figured it out.  I had set manual management of music. But I also need to keep the iTunes and foobar library equally populated.  Is that correct?
That is not correct. If 'Manually manage music and videos' is ticked, also check that 'Sync music', 'Sync TV programmes', 'Sync films' and 'Sync ringtones' (or their equivalents) are unticked.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jack Schmaltz on 2010-12-08 21:51:43
really like the new dialog box, thank you for your continued efforts
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jazzboyrules on 2010-12-10 15:31:01
Hi musicmusic,

I have a question about ratings and where they are stored in the database.
I like to see the rating of the current playing song.
In foobar2000, it is easy as I can set the main window title script to [%rating%* %title% - %artist% - %album% ] - foobar2000

I tried doing the same for my iPhone by remapping Title to [%title% - ][%rating%*]

But that did not work as I expected.

In fb2k, %rating% fetches value from the rating I set using the playback stats component.
In iPhone, %rating% fetches value of the manually inserted RATING field in the MP3 tag.
If I delete the manually inserted RATING field (which I had inserted in the first place before finding out about playback stats component), then I get 'blank'.

Example:
If %title% is xyz and the rating I have set using playback stats is 4, and if there is no RATING field in mp3 tag, then
-- in fb2k, I see 4* - xyz - ........ (exactly as I want)
-- in iPhone, I see xyz - (the rating is not being fetched, but I do see 4 stars for that song on the phone)

Summary of the question:
How do I remap the Title field to see the rating next to the title?

Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jazzboyrules on 2010-12-10 16:02:54
I guess I figured it out.  I had set manual management of music. But I also need to keep the iTunes and foobar library equally populated.  Is that correct?
That is not correct. If 'Manually manage music and videos' is ticked, also check that 'Sync music', 'Sync TV programmes', 'Sync films' and 'Sync ringtones' (or their equivalents) are unticked.


Thank you.  I probably had Sync Ringtones ON and that wiped off the music.
Now I simply dragged the ringtones to iPhone as I have manual management on.

So now the ringtones, podcasts and apps sync well in iTunes and music syncs with fb2k.

I am happy

I still have that ratings question that I mentioned in my previous post.

Thanks again!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2010-12-11 11:39:35
How do I remap the Title field to see the rating next to the title?
Hi,
The short answer is you can't/it won't work as you have already discovered. I don't know how feasible it is to change it, but I'll have a look.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: midnightwalker on 2010-12-15 08:23:15
I wonder how can we change the background of foo_pod. I successfully embedded it to my foobar, however the white background looks really annoy.

Any idea?

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y185/Midnightwalker/foo-1.jpg)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: midnightwalker on 2010-12-19 12:30:08
I wonder how can we change the background of foo_pod. I successfully embedded it to my foobar, however the white background looks really annoy.

Any idea?

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y185/Midnightwalker/foo-1.jpg)



Bumpppp...anyone can help?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: WhiskeyAlpha on 2010-12-19 23:12:33
I wonder how can we change the background of foo_pod. I successfully embedded it to my foobar, however the white background looks really annoy.

Any idea?

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y185/Midnightwalker/foo-1.jpg)



Bumpppp...anyone can help?


I've asked this question on here before but never got a reply from anybody.  I'd love to know if it's possible.

musicmusic - I appreciate totally that this is all a result of your dedication and hard work and that nobody should be in here making demands but most foobar components allow you to at least pick a background colour, text colour and 'edge type', to allow them to integrate into custom setups.  Could you possibly clarify if this is something that is possible already, or if you may plan to implement it in the future?

Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jteh on 2010-12-23 22:57:00
Hi. Thanks for the fantastic component!

I am using an iPhone running IOS 4.2.1. Most things work very well, but audio books are causing me some problems. I set the "media kind" tag to "audiobook" on my audio books, which causes them to appear in audiobooks on the iPhone and also enables remember playback position. (I confirmed the latter using the Item details function of iPod Manager's Manage contents tool.) The playback position is correctly remembered even after switching to different files on the iPod, as expected. However, if I perform any operation which modifies the iPod (I've tested Synchronise, Send to iPod and Remove from iPod), all remembered playback positions are lost and the files play from the start.

Am I doing something wrong here or is this a bug/unsupported feature? This makes reading audiobooks rather tedious if one wants to add other files to the iPod before one finishes reading a book.

Thanks for any help.

Jamie
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Umbrello on 2010-12-28 18:59:47
Hi. I've been using foobar2000 for awhile now. Haven't synced my iPhone 3GS in awhile and now I go to do it, it says no iPod found. And I receive this error upon foobar startup:

Quote
Error - iPod Manager

Failed to pair device - device is passcode locked. Unlock the device and retry.

Close


I have my iPhone unlocked and ready, if that's what it's talking about.

Using Foobar2000 v1.1 and foo_dop 0.6.8.8 installed. Used to sync, odd. Yes, "Enable mobile device support" is ticked.

Edit: And I using iOS 4.1
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: costapod on 2010-12-28 21:47:03
Hi,

is it possible to disable the usb ids check? I ask this because I've removed the microdrive from my iPod mini and I've plugged it in a usb card reader. IMHO foo_dop doesn't recognize it as iPod because the Vid/Pid doesn't match!

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2010-12-29 01:46:46
So, you're asking foo_dop to identify a microdrive in a USB Card reader as an iPod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fuffi on 2010-12-29 18:05:17
hi all,
i did not read the complete 133 pages (but a lot...)....

my question:
if i'm browsing my music and stumble upon a file which i'd like to have on my ipod on the next sync, i put that file in my "transfer to ipod"-playlist.
because the ipod is not alway plugged in, i cannot transfer the file directly. thats why i use the  "transfer to ipod"-playlist.

this is done quite unhandy, because of the "many" steps:
(i made a button, which opens the "select destination playlist" window (foobar feature, not foo_dop))
-click the (above) button
-open the pulldown-menu
-chose correct playlist
-click ok
-move back to the playlist, i was before, becaue (i don't know why) foobar opens the selected playlist.

well, its not a realy misery, but i'd like to know:

how can i simplyfy this action, like:
-combine the button (or shortcut) with the playlist i'd like to use
-stop foobar focus the chosen playlist after copying the file (that maybe is a switch in foobar, but i did not find it...sorry)


EDIT: after reading it again, i figured out, that this might not the corect thread because i do not use any foo_dop functions, but maybe there is a way with this excellent plugin to achieve my goal?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Satchm0 on 2010-12-29 20:01:23
I too have this exact problem.  Foobar splits up the mp3 via .cue file nicely but when I try to add it to my iPod I get that very same error.

Is there a way to fix this problem?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: costapod on 2010-12-30 10:59:58
So, you're asking foo_dop to identify a microdrive in a USB Card reader as an iPod?


Yes

.. in the card reader there is the iPod's Microdrive! (iPod mini)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Gualo on 2010-12-30 11:53:53
Hi

I think this is broadly the right place to ask this... Please don't flame me if it is a little off topic!!
I can't get foobar and a recently purchased ipod touch to work together.

This is what I have done so far

I have installed: -
AppleApplicationSupport
AppleMobileDeviceSupport
QuickTime

I have placed these items in the foobar components folder: -
foo_dop.dll
iPhoneCalc.dll

I still get this error message: -
"DB Version 5 requires iPhoneCalc.dll. Write operations are disabled."

I'm running foobar V 1.1.1 and the most recent link to the iphonecalc.dll from this forum

Please let me know if you need more info.

Any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated!

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2010-12-30 22:22:21
So, you're asking foo_dop to identify a microdrive in a USB Card reader as an iPod?


Yes

.. in the card reader there is the iPod's Microdrive! (iPod mini)


A USB card reader is not an iPod. That's the point I'm trying to get across to you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: costapod on 2010-12-31 12:10:25
So, you're asking foo_dop to identify a microdrive in a USB Card reader as an iPod?


Yes

.. in the card reader there is the iPod's Microdrive! (iPod mini)


A USB card reader is not an iPod. That's the point I'm trying to get across to you.


1. Both the card reader end the iPod are USB mass storage devices, so the connection protocol is the same;
2. the file system is the same: the Microdrive with the music is pulled from the iPod.

IMHO it doesn't work only because foo_dop searches for the iPod USB ids!


Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Umbrello on 2011-01-01 20:28:08
Anyone able to help me out? Post #3313. :/
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2011-01-03 01:10:05
Hi

I think this is broadly the right place to ask this... Please don't flame me if it is a little off topic!!
I can't get foobar and a recently purchased ipod touch to work together.

This is what I have done so far

I have installed: -
AppleApplicationSupport
AppleMobileDeviceSupport
QuickTime

I have placed these items in the foobar components folder: -
foo_dop.dll
iPhoneCalc.dll

I still get this error message: -
"DB Version 5 requires iPhoneCalc.dll. Write operations are disabled."

I'm running foobar V 1.1.1 and the most recent link to the iphonecalc.dll from this forum

Please let me know if you need more info.

Any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated!


iPhoneCalc.dll goes in the root foobar directory, not the components directory.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Gualo on 2011-01-03 16:37:07
Hi

I think this is broadly the right place to ask this... Please don't flame me if it is a little off topic!!
I can't get foobar and a recently purchased ipod touch to work together.

This is what I have done so far

I have installed: -
AppleApplicationSupport
AppleMobileDeviceSupport
QuickTime

I have placed these items in the foobar components folder: -
foo_dop.dll
iPhoneCalc.dll

I still get this error message: -
"DB Version 5 requires iPhoneCalc.dll. Write operations are disabled."

I'm running foobar V 1.1.1 and the most recent link to the iphonecalc.dll from this forum

Please let me know if you need more info.

Any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated!


iPhoneCalc.dll goes in the root foobar directory, not the components directory.



Thank you very much for that... I must stop drinking stupid juice for breakfast 

Ok using the synchronise function I have now managed to put a proportion of my library on the ipod (you fill up 32gb very quickly these days!) but whilst I can play tracks from the ipod through foobar I can still do nothing else with the ipod at all.

I think I must be missing something pretty fundamental (yes and probably glaringly obvious too!)

The ipod is still in its "out of the box condition"

The symbol on the screen showing a usb lead and a cd symbol with itunes written underneath. (since I have successfully all but filled its memory it also shows a memory low warning message)

The ipod touch screen is still inoperable (as it was on first switch on)

The PC cannot "see" the device (os xp professional sp3)

as stated above foobar can  now see, read and write to the device although I haven't found a way of deleting any files through foobar yet.

I was really really hoping to avoid installing itunes... Do I have to do this first in order to make the device do more than a beer mat or is this a case of me being particularly numb in the skull region!

All help and some minor insults welcome 

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2011-01-03 16:55:05


What you are seeing on touch screen is telling you to connect with iTunes. As with all apple devices they must be connected with iTunes the first time in order to use. Just installing iTunes isn't going to kill your machine. Granted you may not want to run it or use it all the time but you could have saved yourself quite a bit of hassle.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Soviet Commissar on 2011-01-06 19:47:31
This may be an odd question, but I have several albums named "Greatest Hits" - all by separate artists, of course, and while it's only a minor inconvenience, the iPod (under Albums) mashes them all into one album, as it does if you are listening to a track and hold the centre button to get "Browse Album".

Is there a mapping I could use for "sort album" in foo_dop's preferences to avoid this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: David Heath on 2011-01-08 14:53:09
I'm still having to use the 'Send playlists...' option instead of 'Synchronise...' for this reason.

Has anyone else come across this? Short of just removing my books, what can I do?
Sorry! I misread your original post. It's fixed for the next build, hopefully out in the next few days.

Just updated to foo_dop 0.6.8.8 and this solves the problem entirely, and works beautifully.

Many thanks for all the hard work on this.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-01-08 16:02:33
Hi. I've been using foobar2000 for awhile now. Haven't synced my iPhone 3GS in awhile and now I go to do it, it says no iPod found. And I receive this error upon foobar startup:

Quote
Failed to pair device - device is passcode locked. Unlock the device and retry.


I have my iPhone unlocked and ready, if that's what it's talking about.
It means the pairing failed and the reason is that the passcode is currently active and the device is locked. In other words, you should just have to press home on your device, slide to unlock, enter your passcode and then restart foobar2000.

Pairing is done once with each Windows installation and you won't need to do it again (possibly the pairing files were deleted from your computer for some reason); you can do it with iTunes if you want. I'm not aware of the error being falsely reported.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Cantello on 2011-01-11 09:35:07
Great thing, thanks for this!

One thing I was wondering: is it possible to use foo_pod to convert ReplayGain values to SoundCheck data for the whole library, not only the songs going to the iPhone?

I use iTunes as the player for my AirPort Express and replaygained music would be a treat. Does iTunes store the SoundCheck within the files (COMMENT ITUNNORM as I've read) or in the central database?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2011-01-12 02:23:10
If that's your goal, you might want to consider the ReplayGain-to-SoundCheck conversion function in Mp3tag.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sharpedges on 2011-01-12 10:43:18
Hey everyone, I'm having a bit of trouble with synchronizing my sixth gen iPod Classic 160GB  with f2k.
When I click "synchronize" it does everything like it should, but when it gets to the actual copying of the tracks it either does it extremely slowly or not at all. Last sync I did it got to around 6398 remaining and stopped and stayed there for 20 minutes before I gave up and clicked stop.
After I click "stop" I get this message: Error reading iTunesDB : I/O error (win32 #87)
I also get that message when I try other actions under the File>iPod menu.
Any ideas as to what I can do? Thanks in advance.
(I've tried restoring my iPod via iTunes and that didn't work)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Cantello on 2011-01-13 12:24:53
If that's your goal, you might want to consider the ReplayGain-to-SoundCheck conversion function in Mp3tag.


That worked, thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pihug12 on 2011-01-14 17:09:23
Thanks for this great component.

Can you please add a function to rebuild the cover cache like ArtDoctor (http://wintense.com/tools/artdoctor) does ?
The cache of my device is corrupted (I see cover from other albums). I deleted the cover cache with SSH (jailbroken device) but there is no utility in iTunes to rebuild it.  All the covers are embedded in the tag of my MP3 files.
And I can't use ArtDoctor (http://wintense.com/tools/artdoctor) because the .NET Framework is messed up on my computer. x_x

Thanks !
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kontiki on 2011-01-18 16:26:58
Hi all,

Not sure if I'm in the right forum for this question, but I see quite a few discussions on the ipod touch and nano in this thread.
So basically what I'm trying to do is to find a way on how to access the playlist encrypted database file iTunesCDB of ipod touch 3G jailbroken ( OS 3.1.3 ), and I see that Foobar2000 can do that. So when needed I can change my songs settings en masse - the other day I had to remove manually ( thru iTunes ) some extra characters from the the titles of hundreds of songs, and it took me many hours doing that one by one 
I'm comfortable with the terminal, unix commands and can ssh to the ipod, and also have some experience with sqlite commands, I just need a way to access this encrypted database file in the ipod ( I'm connecting to it through Putty ). If anybody knows how to do that, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: q-stankovic on 2011-01-18 17:50:49
Hello musicmusic!

I read this on your page under the point "To Do":
Quote
Expand scope to also cover synchronizing with Windows Phone 7. Would be nice to get rid of Zune.


Could you also consider to extend the functionalty of your component also to devices without any limitations (android or normal mp3-players) as it offer more than foo_fileops when it comes to synching with an external device.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2011-01-18 22:53:34
Can anyone answer this question. I just started using foobar, so far its great, everythings working. I have a flac library, when I add it to itunes and it converts it to m4a using aac encoder  does it go into apple loseless format? Is this possible or will I have to convert them to apple loseless before syncing?

To convert to Apple Lossless (ALAC) on the fly during send to iPod or sync with iPod function
1. Download ffmpeg command line encoder from here: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/ffmpeg (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/ffmpeg)
2. Put ffmpeg.exe where ever you want on your hard drive.
3. In foobar, go to preferences - tools - iPod Manager
4. Go to conversion tab, check Convert audio tracks in unsupported formats, enter full path to ffmpeg.exe for encoder, enter '-y -i - -acodec alac %d' (without the quotes) in the parameters section, and enter 'm4a' for extension.  You can check the ReplayGain scan if you want to use it on your iPod.

I tried this. It appears the status window whith the progress indicated - then the sync ends whithout any further message. The tracks dont appear on my Ipod classic 6Gen and if I redo the sync it again indicates the synchronization progress ("encoding...") and not "files already on Ipod". If I start a conversion on a console whith your parameters: "ffmpeg -y -i - -acodec alac 1.flac" I get a error-message: "pipe: Operation not permitted". What am I doing wrong?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2011-01-19 00:28:56
I tried this. It appears the status window whith the progress indicated - then the sync ends whithout any further message. The tracks dont appear on my Ipod classic 6Gen and if I redo the sync it again indicates the synchronization progress ("encoding...") and not "files already on Ipod". If I start a conversion on a console whith your parameters: "ffmpeg -y -i - -acodec alac 1.flac" I get a error-message: "pipe: Operation not permitted". What am I doing wrong?

if you use those parameters to encode in a console, you need to pipe the file into ffmpeg, which you're not doing by just typing it in.  Seeing as they look like they encode just fine, you might want to check the temp folder and make sure they're getting the right file extension.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2011-01-20 13:14:42

if you use those parameters to encode in a console, you need to pipe the file into ffmpeg, which you're not doing by just typing it in.  Seeing as they look like they encode just fine, you might want to check the temp folder and make sure they're getting the right file extension.

The files in my %temp%-directory have the extension m4a and are apple lossless files. They play fine whith my vlc! Any further ideas?

EDIT:
Having a look at the files on my ipod ("manage contents"), the id tags of the m4a-files in the list appear somewhat broken. Klicking the properties of such a file shows up a message :
Could not load info (Unsupported format or corrupted file) from: "O:\iPod_Control\Music\F98\Peter Sc.m4a"

Copying the file to my PC gives me a incomplete (it doesn't contain the whole track) playable untagged file.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2011-01-20 21:19:22
Is it possible to also use "itunesencode.exe" to transcode on the fly to "apple lossless" whith foo_dop?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2011-01-21 12:09:45
Is it possible to also use "itunesencode.exe" to transcode on the fly to "apple lossless" whith foo_dop?


try this (http://sites.google.com/site/qaacpage/home) with -A - -o %d
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2011-01-23 14:17:11
Is it possible to also use "itunesencode.exe" to transcode on the fly to "apple lossless" whith foo_dop?

try this (http://sites.google.com/site/qaacpage/home) with -A - -o %d

Thank you for your Tip! But using qaac with "-A - -o %d" I get: "Failed to add to ipod: Conversion failed - Unexpected process exit code 00000002h". "Conversion" proceeds very quickly and there do appear no temp-files in my tempdir. Do you use this configuration successfully?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2011-01-23 16:26:59
Thank you for your Tip! But using qaac with "-A - -o %d" I get: "Failed to add to ipod: Conversion failed - Unexpected process exit code 00000002h". "Conversion" proceeds very quickly and there do appear no temp-files in my tempdir. Do you use this configuration successfully?

"qaac -A 1.flac -o 1.m4a" in cmd-box brings a popup whith: "Unable To Locate Component : This application has failed to start because ogg_vc71.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem. " My qaac-package came whith a ogg_vc10.dll. And: I didin`t say anything about ogg-output  . Damn... somehow I should get this working??
(Editing my last post was not possible???)

EDIT: Please excuse my Chaos!    Accidentally I used the ffmpeg-options with qaac! Whith the correct options (-A - -o %d) I have broken m4a-files on my Ipod almost like whith ffmpeg, but files are unplayable. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2011-01-23 22:28:33
i use this configuration without a problem:

latest quicktime+itunes installed
qaac extracted to a folder with permissions set correctly
foo_dop cmdline -A - -o %d
ext: m4a
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2011-01-24 20:00:09
Sorry, if this has been treated before... Is this normal, that when positioning the scroll-bar of my classic over the "now playing" menu-entry there is no cover of the actual playing track but only this note whith grey background visible? Although the cover is present and visible in all other menus?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tolga7t on 2011-01-27 22:11:53
I noticed that when I listen to the same song multiple times on my ipod/iphone, it gets scrobbled only once. Is there a way to fix this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: eradumvelhinho on 2011-01-29 07:56:13
I noticed that when I listen to the same song multiple times on my ipod/iphone, it gets scrobbled only once. Is there a way to fix this?


AFAIK that´s an ipod´s limitation.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2011-01-29 23:02:17
Correct. The iPod's database only stores the LAST time a song was played.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2011-01-30 12:56:40
my question:
if i'm browsing my music and stumble upon a file which i'd like to have on my ipod on the next sync, i put that file in my "transfer to ipod"-playlist.
because the ipod is not alway plugged in, i cannot transfer the file directly. thats why i use the  "transfer to ipod"-playlist.
this is done quite unhandy, because of the "many" steps:
(i made a button, which opens the "select destination playlist" window (foobar feature, not foo_dop))
-click the (above) button
-open the pulldown-menu
-chose correct playlist
-click ok
-move back to the playlist, i was before, becaue (i don't know why) foobar opens the selected playlist.

As this seems to be still not answered, this is how I do it:
I installed the quicktagger (http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_quicktag) plugin
In Preferences/Tools/Tagging/quicktagger I prepared to functions: set field IPODSYNC to y and set IPODSYNC to n
I created an autoplaylist "IPODSYNC IS y" named IPODSYNC
I put 2 buttons on my buttonbar for the 2 quicktagger functions (IPODSYNC y/n) so that the field is added to the "active selection" (marked track)
I sync the IPODSYNC-playlist by pressing F9 (preferences/keyboard shortcuts) or use my prepared button "sync" on the button-bar
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bobruto on 2011-01-30 13:52:20
Excuse me for not reading the entire thread, but I did search for an answer for a while and it didn't clear things up for me :)
Got a 6G nano, fb2k 1.1.1 portable, latest foo_dop and iphonecalc.dll in fb2k's folder.
Attempting to sync playlists with a brand new Ipod in Foobar results in "Failed to query SQL post process commands. Write operations are disabled.", same when rewriting DB or sending playlists.
The only answer for this problem given at this forum is instaling Apple software. Is it really required for a Nano or am I reading it wrong? :)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2011-02-01 21:55:01
Sorry, if this has been treated before... Is this normal, that when positioning the scroll-bar of my classic over the "now playing" menu-entry there is no cover of the actual playing track but only this note whith grey background visible? Although the cover is present and visible in all other menus?

Am I the only one whith this problem? Is this working whith your ipod classics?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2011-02-01 23:53:39
I would like to have my classical genres above the contemporary genres in my genre list on my Ipod. But putting a leading underline or space has the wanted effect in foobar (coloums ui) but my iPod seems to ignore these characters and the order doesnt change. Leading numbers will put these genres beneath the others. Leading numers to the contemporary genres (which are quite numberous) should do the trick, but is not very nice ;-) Any proposal how I can achieve my goal?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Indyvidual on 2011-02-03 01:04:45
Hey guys I seem to be having a problem with this plugin as well. Im trying to sync a playlist to a first gen ipod touch.

I have the 0.6.8.8 experimental version (tried the latest non experimental, gave same problem), and the v1.1.1 foobar.

The ipod has music on it from a previous sync on itunes (which hasnt been updated in months and that operating system was reinstalled, so any sync with itunes wouldnt work anyway).

I can access the ipod touch via the menu and remove playlists currently on it. However, whenever I try to add any music, be it single tracks or playlists I get the following error:

"Failed to add file to ipod: Reserved disk space limit exceeded"

There is definately space on the ipod, however it says 0 bytes free in my memory.

Will I have to delete everything off the ipod and start from scratch to get the ipod to solve this? Or is there a feature im not utilising? Ive been to file>> ipod>>> manage contents and deleted the bulk of the playlists which have been removed. Yet this doesnt seem to free up any space.

Sorry if this has been referenced in the thread, but I couldnt find it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-02-14 22:38:18
Excuse me for not reading the entire thread, but I did search for an answer for a while and it didn't clear things up for me
Got a 6G nano, fb2k 1.1.1 portable, latest foo_dop and iphonecalc.dll in fb2k's folder.
Attempting to sync playlists with a brand new Ipod in Foobar results in "Failed to query SQL post process commands. Write operations are disabled.", same when rewriting DB or sending playlists.
The only answer for this problem given at this forum is instaling Apple software. Is it really required for a Nano or am I reading it wrong?
You need the iPod driver at least, it comes with Apple Mobile Device Support. Otherwise some low-level commands aren't possible.

Sorry, if this has been treated before... Is this normal, that when positioning the scroll-bar of my classic over the "now playing" menu-entry there is no cover of the actual playing track but only this note whith grey background visible? Although the cover is present and visible in all other menus?

Am I the only one whith this problem? Is this working whith your ipod classics?
I have not heard of this problem before. Which gen classic (from File/iPod/Properties)?

I would like to have my classical genres above the contemporary genres in my genre list on my Ipod. But putting a leading underline or space has the wanted effect in foobar (coloums ui) but my iPod seems to ignore these characters and the order doesnt change. Leading numbers will put these genres beneath the others. Leading numers to the contemporary genres (which are quite numberous) should do the trick, but is not very nice ;-) Any proposal how I can achieve my goal?
I think leading symbols are generally ignored. So you might be out of luck.

I can access the ipod touch via the menu and remove playlists currently on it. However, whenever I try to add any music, be it single tracks or playlists I get the following error:

"Failed to add file to ipod: Reserved disk space limit exceeded"

There is definately space on the ipod, however it says 0 bytes free in my memory.
What does it say from File/iPod/Properties for free space? You may just have orphaned files, in which case the 'Recover Orphaned Files' command can recover them and you can then remove them.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tolga7t on 2011-02-18 05:34:47
How do you guys deal with transferring compilation albums from foobar to ipod? I hate seeing extra 20 artist names under "artists" because I added 1 compilation album to my ipod. Is there a way to keep compilation albums together?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pri3st on 2011-02-18 09:57:27
In the tag put "Album artist" as Various Artists.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: CarterTheMetalist on 2011-02-18 14:54:19
For some reason I can't get it to find my Ipod. I have a 32 gig 4th Gen Ipod touch with latest firmware, When I try to load library I get "No Ipod found." Help please so far I have really liked this player.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bobruto on 2011-02-18 15:43:45
Excuse me for not reading the entire thread, but I did search for an answer for a while and it didn't clear things up for me
Got a 6G nano, fb2k 1.1.1 portable, latest foo_dop and iphonecalc.dll in fb2k's folder.
Attempting to sync playlists with a brand new Ipod in Foobar results in "Failed to query SQL post process commands. Write operations are disabled.", same when rewriting DB or sending playlists.
The only answer for this problem given at this forum is instaling Apple software. Is it really required for a Nano or am I reading it wrong?
You need the iPod driver at least, it comes with Apple Mobile Device Support. Otherwise some low-level commands aren't possible.


Is it possible to get the latest version of AMDS without Itunes?
Itunes won't install on my computer (XP SP3), says "The system administrator has set policies to prevent this installation".
I found an old MSI of AMDS in Application Data folder, from 2007 () which has been there for a while I guess, installed it, the service is running and Apple software update isn't offering to download a newer version, but foo_dop still won't work
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bobruto on 2011-02-18 18:23:17


Nevermind, musicmusic, Itunes was defeated at last :)
Thank you for the earlier reply!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Patrick on 2011-02-19 01:33:46
(I could have sworn I posted this already, but it appears that there is no such post.)

This appears to be a rehash of a frequently occurring problem.  I have foo_dop installed on two different systems that I spend a lot of time on: Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2.  (Both are 64 bit.)  I am accessing my iPhone 3GS via foobar2000 (v1.1.2), using foo_dop version 0.6.8.8.7.  Have latest iTunes software installed, v 10.1.2.17, including Apple Mobile Device Support v 3.3.1.3.  My iOS version is 4.2.1.  Latest and greatest all around. I have configured "Enable mobile device support" in the iPod Manager preferences.

The Windows 7 environment works flawlessly.  However, the Server 2008 R2 environment is another thing.  I can load the iPod library into foobar2000 via File > iPod > Load library and that's just fine.  But when I go to the iPod View list to remove an item via the context menu iPod > remove from iPod, I get this infamous error:

Error reading iTunes DB: I/O Error: ACFFileRefOpen
returned: 2 Path was:
/iTunes_Control/iTunes/iTunesCDB


I've gone through the various posts in this thread but haven't found anything that helped.  I've tried switching versions of foo_dop.dll, but no luck.  The interesting thing is that my Server 2008 R2 machine was upgraded from Server 2008, where everything was working fine.

Help?  Please?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-02-20 19:28:21
Nevermind, musicmusic, Itunes was defeated at last :)Thank you for the earlier reply!
Well, you can extract the AMDS installer from the iTunes installer anyway (using e.g. 7-Zip).

That specific error means "bad operation header". It is surely something specific to hardware or software configuration/environment, but who knows what. You should also get an error if you do 'Load library' twice. You could either create a second partition and put a clean OS install on that and test there, or a try virtual machine with USB pass-through (though I suppose that doesn't necessarily exclude host OS issues).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Patrick on 2011-02-21 01:00:18
That specific error means "bad operation header". It is surely something specific to hardware or software configuration/environment, but who knows what. You should also get an error if you do 'Load library' twice. You could either create a second partition and put a clean OS install on that and test there, or a try virtual machine with USB pass-through (though I suppose that doesn't necessarily exclude host OS issues).

Thanks for your reply, MM.  I was afraid of that.   

As far as a second partition goes, that is exactly what I have now - that's the Win 7 OS that works fine.  The problem with this is I spend almost all day in my Server 2008 R2 environment and would like to be able to manipulate my iPhone's contents while I'm there.  I've got a couple other guest OS images under Hyper-V to try, and another Server 2008 R2 machine...but I'm not too hopeful.

Nothing I can do to further diagnose the source of the problem?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: exchyrdoaudi on 2011-02-21 01:35:56
I'm new to foobar and the ipod manager. I'm having problems with compilation albums. Please help.

I have one album with various artists. After syncing, my iPhone shows 10 albums of the same name, each containing an artist.

I'm new to the whole coding thing (if%artist%, etc, etc) as well. Any links for explanations relevant to foobar?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: eradumvelhinho on 2011-02-21 07:33:26
I have one album with various artists. After syncing, my iPhone shows 10 albums of the same name, each containing an artist.


See the post #3355 in this thread (5 or 6 messages above).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2011-02-22 11:32:27
Hello, i got a question about how the artwork data is stored to the iPod.

I use a system with a High-Resoultion Cover.jpg in the folder of each album. As i first started using iTunes, it needs embedded Art to Display it on the iPod. And as i didn't wanted a 1,5 MB file embedded in my tags, i rescaled them to 500*500 and saved them into the tags. Now with foobar i dont know i still need this....

i activated "add artwork to files" and leaved the source script blank, cause i dont want those Hi-Res pics copied. I activated the foobar built-in artwork reader as i thought it would take the embedded art...but im not sure about it cause it will still use the format's like Cover, Front and so and defined in the "Display" Section of foobar-preferences?!

Now the question is: How are the jpg's saved to the iPod? Are they extracted from the tags and then saved in a local database on the ipod or can the ipod read the embedded art? Cause if they are extracted i would have them twice,one in the file and one at the iPod.. this would waste some space.




A workaround could be ( i guess)this , but i want to understand how foo_dop works

1 Deleting embedded art
2 Creating a smaller "iPod-Cover.jpg" of each hi-res cover
3. Disabling foobar's built-in reader
4. Adding a sourcescript like %file_path%\iPod-Cover.jpg

Thanx for your great work
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2011-02-22 11:55:40
If I'm not mistaken, I think you can get rid of all embedded and additional cover arts: just point foobar to you high-res pictures and foo_dop will scale them when sending to the iPod.

At least this is my understanding of foo_dop artwork management: musicmusic or someone else will eventually correct me.

HTH.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-02-26 17:22:35
Thanks for your reply, MM.  I was afraid of that.   

As far as a second partition goes, that is exactly what I have now - that's the Win 7 OS that works fine.  The problem with this is I spend almost all day in my Server 2008 R2 environment and would like to be able to manipulate my iPhone's contents while I'm there.  I've got a couple other guest OS images under Hyper-V to try, and another Server 2008 R2 machine...but I'm not too hopeful.

Nothing I can do to further diagnose the source of the problem?
I doubt it's purely a Server 2008 R2 issue - perhaps something that is installed? I can at least stick Windows Server 2008 R2 on a VM and see if I get any strange results.. As for anything else to diagnose, it should be possible to get the AMDS library and service to produce their own debug logs; let me dig up some info on that..

Just to be sure, you have tried reinstalling iTunes? foobar2000 should be closed when doing so. Also, have you checked a clean portable foobar2000 install?

If I'm not mistaken, I think you can get rid of all embedded and additional cover arts: just point foobar to you high-res pictures and foo_dop will scale them when sending to the iPod.

At least this is my understanding of foo_dop artwork management: musicmusic or someone else will eventually correct me.
Essentially, yes, that is it. The iPod doesn't read embedded art; the artwork is stored on the device separately in a number of device-dependent formats
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2011-02-26 19:23:02
Thanx for your response, so my hi-res pic's will automatic be downscaled? this will save me much time creating smaller files of the hi-res pics...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mstram24 on 2011-03-06 18:34:41
hi, ive been using an iPod nano for quite sometime, and this lovely component was the joy of my life.


However, i discovered that some companies make far better mp3 players than those lame ipods.  right now, im using a Sony Walkman 16GB (S545).  The sound quality and the volume are lightyears ahead of my old 5th gen iPod.  Problem is; i dont have this lovely foobar component to sync my music!!!  so i i have to rely on drag and drop

just wondering; is there an equivalent to Sir Musicmusic's component for Sony?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2011-03-07 00:21:13
OT:

"The sound quality and the volume are lightyears ahead of my old 5th gen iPod."  i guess you checked that with a double blind test?
trolololololol
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mstram24 on 2011-03-07 02:29:39
OT:

"The sound quality and the volume are lightyears ahead of my old 5th gen iPod."  i guess you checked that with a double blind test?
trolololololol



dude, ive used both players for a year each.  you dont need to be a super genius to figure out which one has better sound.

thanks for your inputs.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2011-03-07 03:01:38
OT:

"The sound quality and the volume are lightyears ahead of my old 5th gen iPod."  i guess you checked that with a double blind test?
trolololololol



dude, ive used both players for a year each.  you dont need to be a super genius to figure out which one has better sound.

thanks for your inputs.

Volume and impedance has a lot to do with sound quality. We're being off topic, though. This plugin is not for your player, nor is it remotely related. You should try google.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jinxy on 2011-03-07 20:40:22
Can anyone give me a bit of advice?  I currently have sort album mapped to read the %albumsortorder% tag, but what I would like it to do is check if %albumsortorder% exists, if so use that and if not to use %date% %album%.  Anyone give me guidance on how to achieve this?  I would just use %date% %album%, but I have some albums that I like to sort differently using the album sort order tag.

Thanks in advance,
J
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2011-03-08 11:52:41
Can anyone give me a bit of advice?  I currently have sort album mapped to read the %albumsortorder% tag, but what I would like it to do is check if %albumsortorder% exists, if so use that and if not to use %date% %album%.  Anyone give me guidance on how to achieve this?  I would just use %date% %album%, but I have some albums that I like to sort differently using the album sort order tag.


I believe
Code: [Select]
$if(%albumsortorder%,%albumsortorder%,%date% %album%)

should do it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jinxy on 2011-03-08 19:46:12
I believe
Code: [Select]
$if(%albumsortorder%,%albumsortorder%,%date% %album%)

should do it.

That worked perfectly, thanks a lot for your time.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mstram24 on 2011-03-09 00:24:36
okay so....i will pray for Sir MusicMusic to create the name component for SONY models of MP3 players!!!

Sony > Apple


i'll send you one of those Sony Walkman for free if you do it lol


(http://di1-3.shoppingshadow.com/images/pi/35/23/18/101538428-260x260-0-0_Sony%208%20GB%20NWZ%20S545.jpg)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kode54 on 2011-03-09 00:55:25
Aren't iPods the only players that require the interface software to generate a special database for the player to see the files?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Shade[ST] on 2011-03-09 00:56:49
Aren't iPods the only players that require the interface software to generate a special database for the player to see the files?

And zune I think (inc. WP7)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: katoblepa on 2011-03-12 22:22:35
I have foobar2000 v1.1.5 and I would like to install the Ipod interface foo_dop....

Does it work with XP SP3?


.....and Ipod nano 8gb previous version....

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: corbintx on 2011-03-13 00:52:12
I have foobar2000 v1.1.5 and I would like to install the Ipod interface foo_dop....

Does it work with XP SP3?


.....and Ipod nano 8gb previous version....

Thanks


it should, but you may need some ipod services that come with itunes. at least that happened to me.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: katoblepa on 2011-03-13 17:30:40
I have foobar2000 v1.1.5 and I would like to install the Ipod interface foo_dop....

Does it work with XP SP3?


.....and Ipod nano 8gb previous version....

Thanks


it should, but you may need some ipod services that come with itunes. at least that happened to me.


Interesting .....

But, exactly, what do you mean?

Could you please make any example?

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: limonium on 2011-03-13 19:13:35
I'm looking forward to using this non-commercial alternative to itunes, but the following problem occurs:

I have installed the plugin and the "ipod" sub-menu shows up in the "file" menu. The playlist of my ipod nano 6G is shown properly in a window. But when I try to add files to the ipod, I get the following error:

"DB Version 5 requires iPhoneCalc.dll. Write operations are disabled."

NB: I had copied the iPhoneCalc.dll file to the foobar2000 application folder as the foo_dop manual says.

Can anyone help me?

Thanks a lot in advance!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-03-13 19:45:44
Interesting .....

But, exactly, what do you mean?
You need the driver, as stated in the requirements.

I'm looking forward to using this non-commercial alternative to itunes, but the following problem occurs:
Probably an old iPhoneCalc.dll. Check the iPod manager download page..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: limonium on 2011-03-14 12:44:07
Thank you for your quick reply, musicmusic!

I have now replaced the iPhoneCalc.dll with the current one from the mediafire.com download link on your download page, but the problem remains the same. Do you have another idea how I could get the application running?

Thanks in advance!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-03-14 17:07:11
OK. Do you have iPod manager 0.6.8.9? Is there anything unusual about your fb2k installation path?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: limonium on 2011-03-14 18:05:02
Hi musicmusic,

yes, I downloaded and installed iPod manager 0.6.8.9 (my Windows Explorer says it was last changed on March 6th, 2011). My fb2k installation path is C:\Program Files\foobar2000\. When I unpacked iPhoneCalc.dll to this folder, I had to enter my Admin password, but it worked fine and the file can now be found in this folder. It seems to me that fb2k or the ipod manager just don't see that this file exists. Am I wrong?

NB: I downloaded and installed your columnsUI tool, too - this one (gorgeous tool!) works fine.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-03-14 19:06:52
It's kind of a generic message, so it could be for a number of reasons.

Let's try this:
(Close foobar2000)
1. Download Dependency Walker (http://www.dependencywalker.com/).
2. Open foobar2000.exe in it
3. Go to Profiling/Start profiling...
4. Enable LoadLibrary and GetProcAddress function call logging, also use full paths when logging
5. Run it and send me the entire output

Hopefully that will work (it doesn't really for me on Windows 7 64-bit).

Also, is there anything unusual about the way you start foobar2000?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: limonium on 2011-03-14 20:05:48
Hello musicmusic,

well, that's weird indeed: iPod manager works now! Let me tell you how:

I downloaded and started Dependency Walker. Before I could find out what "enable LoadLibrary and GetProcAddress" means, I saw in the window opening before I clicked "Profiling/Start profiling" that the program was obviously using the path to the old fb2k version in the folder "C:\Program Files\foobar2000 v1.0" for some reason - I don't know why. This folder had been created automatically when I had updated to the latest fb2k version about a week ago, it seems to contain the old version (although I am not really sure about this). This is strange because the iPod manager plugin and the columns UI plugin are definitely not within this folder but in the folder "C:\Program Files\foobar2000" which was created/updated during my latest fb2k update.

Thus, I just tried and copied iPhoneCalc.dll to the "old" folder (C:\Program Files\foobar2000 v1.0) - and now the iPod syncs without problems...

Do you see an explanation to this?

Many, many thanks for your help and patience and greetings to the UK!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: q-stankovic on 2011-03-14 20:27:51
Hello musicmusic,

i would appreciate if you could answer my question here (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=739984). Surely the access to ipods storage disk is the main point of your component but it also contains so many features i wish for synching with my normal mp3/android smartphone players: mainly tag mapping, auto conversion, add artwork to file, Ui for synchronizing/sending with/to playlists/library and so on. I still hope that someone will make such a component but on the other side all that features exist in your component already: Throwing them together in an own component with its special prefrences would make happy many people. What do you think?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-03-14 21:24:57
Do you see an explanation to this?
Not sure, but the component specifically looks for iPhoneCalc.dll in the same folder as the foobar2000.exe process; if you check the location of the running foobar2000.exe using task manager I'd think it'd be the v1.0 one.

Hello musicmusic,

i would appreciate if you could answer my question here (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=739984). Surely the access to ipods storage disk is the main point of your component but it also contains so many features i wish for synching with my normal mp3/android smartphone players: mainly tag mapping, auto conversion, add artwork to file, Ui for synchronizing/sending with/to playlists/library and so on. I still hope that someone will make such a component but on the other side all that features exist in your component already: Throwing them together in an own component with its special prefrences would make happy many people. What do you think?
I do understand, however the component is mostly designed with an iPod/iPhone/etc. environment in mind and hence there would be a lot of rewriting needed - which I don't really have the time for.  Also, metadata remapping might not be possible in the same way if the device doesn't use a database/external source for metadata. Lastly, unfortunately I didn't add that to the wiki..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dub4u on 2011-03-15 05:44:37
First let me say thank you for this great plugin I just switched from iTunes to foobar2000 and while it was tricky I'm starting to see the light : )

On my iPod, I like to see %rating% in **** as part of the title of a track such that I can see the rating on track listings on the iPod, without having to actually select individual tracks. To achieve this, I have set up the following metadata remapping for the Title field in foo_pod's preferences:

  $if($greater(%rating%,0),$repeat(*,%rating%) ,)%title%

foo_dop does this and uses the rating stored corresponding in the ID3 meta field. However, foo_dop seems to insist on using $meta(rating) even if foo_playcount is installed to manage rating information. Instead of using %rating% (defined as "taken over" by foo_playcount's documentation,) foo_dop reads the ID3's $meta(rating). Of course, one could enable foo_playcount's (unrecommended) advanced option to keep ID3 in sync with it's own DB, but I really wish foo_dop would honor prefer %rating% over $meta(rating).

Or am I missing something?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pegobocorn on 2011-03-15 22:06:24
I have an 8g nano, much to my chagrin I can't seem to find a way to remove media with the manager.  What am I missing/doing wrong?

Otherwise this is totally great!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-03-15 22:17:31
However, foo_dop seems to insist on using $meta(rating) even if foo_playcount is installed to manage rating information. Instead of using %rating% (defined as "taken over" by foo_playcount's documentation,) foo_dop reads the ID3's $meta(rating).
It's due to the way the component formats titles; mentioned before but thanks for the reminder - I think I can fix it without much hassle.

I have an 8g nano, much to my chagrin I can't seem to find a way to remove media with the manager.  What am I missing/doing wrong?
I do get this from time-to-time so I must be doing something wrong. Anyway, run 'Load library' and then right-click on the tracks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: the_other_way on 2011-03-18 17:57:32
Anybody if/how foobar can sync with the latest generation of the nano?
I have the latest version of foobar, iphonecalc.dll in my general foobar folder, and foo_dop.dll in my components folder; however I still get the 'unable to write to database message' when I try to sync. I'm a relative new user so sorry if this is a repost - thank you everyone!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jahtimes on 2011-03-25 12:11:18
I have an iPod 5G, I wonder if all my played tracks can be updated on Last.FM. I didn't find a subject on that. When I use Itunes, I see my "playcount", is it possible that this "playcount" may be updated on Last.FM ?

For example I have "Soudtrack to fail in love - Charlie Winston" played 22 times. Is it possible, when i connect my iPod that on my profile last.FM, to see that Soundtrack to fail in love has been playing 22 times ?

Sorry for my english. I didn't find a subject on this thread precisely !

Thanks again.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jahtimes on 2011-03-25 16:15:18
I read 75 last pages and i Have the same problem that one user :


iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: rental_expired
iPod manager: Generate SQLite database completed in 1.1931322 s


When I rewrite database, i get this on the console. Someone can help me please?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: spuuunit on 2011-03-28 01:33:55
Excuse me cause I'm a noob, but I need some help. My sorting of playlists in my iPod goes after the last modified date I think. How do I do so that the sorting goes after what is set in foobar?

I got foobar v1.1.2, iPod 5g.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aeidein on 2011-03-30 23:11:29
Hi,

I have a 5G iPod and would like to better understand how to use foo_dop with it.

In my Foobar library, I have three groupings that appear at the top of my album artists list:
(Compilations) - Collections of songs by various artists, the traditional kind of compilation.  Think like, those NOW albums.
(Songs) - Individual songs where I don't care to have the rest of the album.  I'd rather not have the artist show up under my artist list if I only have one song by them, but I still want to retain the proper tag information (album title, etc).
(Soundtracks) - I'd like these to be separate from other compilations in Foobar.

Right now I have foo_dop set up so these three appear in my artist list in my iPod, but only (Compilations) and (Soundtracks) appear in the iPod's Compilations menu (because they are tagged with ITUNESCOMPILATION=1).

My current foo_dop settings:

Metadata
Artist = $swapprefix(%album artist%)
Compilation = $if(%ITUNESCOMPILATION%,1)

Sorting
I'm not exactly sure what these do.  I have all three checked.

Ignore leading The/A - Currently, The Beatles show up in the right section, with the rest of the B artists.  However, when scrolling through the artist list, it will show "T"  in the overlay as it scrolls by (i.e., A B T B C D).  How do I fix this?

Place numbers and symbols last - I don't have any artists that begin with numbers or symbols.  The (Compilations), (Songs), and (Soundtracks) "album artists" show up under their respective first letters.  Is there any way to get them to show up at the top?

Force sort playlists - I'm guessing this forces the sorting of the playlists to alphabetical order, which is fine.


iPod Features - Artwork
If I leave the Source Script box blank but check "Add artwork files sent to iPod" and "Additionally use Foobar built-in art reader", will it ignore folder.* and only display embedded art?

Behavior - Sort iPod library playlist by
I have it set to %album artist% - %date% - %album% - %discnumber% - %tracknumber% - %title%.  However, on the iPod, after selecting an artist from the Artists list, it displays the albums in alphabetical order.  How do I get them to display in chronological order?


If anyone can suggest a better way to do this, please let me know.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: spuuunit on 2011-03-31 13:48:48
This is so frustrating... I've set "Sort iPod library playlist by" to "%artist% - %band% - %date% - %album% - %tracknumber% - %title%", but nothing happens, it still sorts by last added to iPod... Any ideas would help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Triple Sick on 2011-03-31 21:18:40
Nice, love this. I hate iTunes...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2011-04-01 11:21:58
Both spuunit and adeidein above, you're sorting just the playlist that's created in foobar when you view the iPod's contents.

The order in which the tracks are sorted on the iPod itself is, I would've thought, fixed by Apple. (That is, if you look at a particular album or all tracks, etc)

If you're looking at actual playlists that you've synced, the order is purely and simply the order that the tracks appeared in your foobar playlist - that's what you're syncing, and that's where you have to change it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: spuuunit on 2011-04-01 18:54:11
If you're looking at actual playlists that you've synced, the order is purely and simply the order that the tracks appeared in your foobar playlist - that's what you're syncing, and that's where you have to change it.


Weird... 'cause for me, I have for example this playlist in foobar, in this order:

Berserk - Murder
Clan Of Xymox - A Day
Clan Of Xymox - Consolation

And when syncing this playlist to my iPod the order becomes:

Clan Of Xymox - A Day
Berserk - Murder
Clan Of Xymox - Consolation

The Cover Flow is in perfect order though... but the playlists...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dub4u on 2011-04-02 00:38:07
Also in response to spuunit and adeidein. You can control the sorting in the iPod to some extent by using metadata mappings for the "Sort" fields. For example, I have my Sort Artist set to

Code: [Select]
$if(%IS_IN_ATTIC%,zzzz ,$if(%GENRE_CLASSICAL%,zzzy ,$if(%SINGLE_OR_EP%,zzzx ,)))%album artist%


This setting will sort Coverflow for example such that all Singles/EPs come after "normal" albums, classical music after the singles and all old stuff that I don't frequently listen to (which I mark as "IS_IN_ATTIC") at the very end of the list.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2011-04-02 14:08:33
@spuunit, hm OK that's weird! Hopefully our patron musicmusic can shed some light on that...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-04-02 15:51:31
Anybody if/how foobar can sync with the latest generation of the nano?
I have the latest version of foobar, iphonecalc.dll in my general foobar folder, and foo_dop.dll in my components folder; however I still get the 'unable to write to database message' when I try to sync. I'm a relative new user so sorry if this is a repost - thank you everyone!
Probably an old iPhoneCalc.dll.

I have an iPod 5G, I wonder if all my played tracks can be updated on Last.FM. I didn't find a subject on that. When I use Itunes, I see my "playcount", is it possible that this "playcount" may be updated on Last.FM ?

For example I have "Soudtrack to fail in love - Charlie Winston" played 22 times. Is it possible, when i connect my iPod that on my profile last.FM, to see that Soundtrack to fail in love has been playing 22 times ?

Sorry for my english. I didn't find a subject on this thread precisely !

Thanks again.
I read 75 last pages and i Have the same problem that one user :

iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: rental_expired
iPod manager: Generate SQLite database completed in 1.1931322 s

When I rewrite database, i get this on the console. Someone can help me please?
Not sure if it was you who you e-mailed me, but you need Florian's foo_audioscrobbler and that warning can be ignored.

Excuse me cause I'm a noob, but I need some help. My sorting of playlists in my iPod goes after the last modified date I think. How do I do so that the sorting goes after what is set in foobar?

I got foobar v1.1.2, iPod 5g.
No such option exists in the component I'm afraid; also some models always display them alphabetically.

Ignore leading The/A - Currently, The Beatles show up in the right section, with the rest of the B artists.  However, when scrolling through the artist list, it will show "T"  in the overlay as it scrolls by (i.e., A B T B C D).  How do I fix this?
Limitation of the iPod 5G. It only works correctly there on a couple of screens; you can use the remappings as an alternative solution which will also change what is displayed.

iPod Features - Artwork
If I leave the Source Script box blank but check "Add artwork files sent to iPod" and "Additionally use Foobar built-in art reader", will it ignore folder.* and only display embedded art?
Not necessarily. It depends on your core foobar2000 album art settings.

Behavior - Sort iPod library playlist by
I have it set to %album artist% - %date% - %album% - %discnumber% - %tracknumber% - %title%.  However, on the iPod, after selecting an artist from the Artists list, it displays the albums in alphabetical order.
That option is in the 'Load library' group; it actually affects that command in foobar2000 and not anything displayed on the device.

How do I get them to display in chronological order?
You can use the remappings (album or sort album).

This is so frustrating... I've set "Sort iPod library playlist by" to "%artist% - %band% - %date% - %album% - %tracknumber% - %title%", but nothing happens, it still sorts by last added to iPod... Any ideas would help.
Answered above.

The Cover Flow is in perfect order though... but the playlists...
If you have "Force sort playlists" unticked (a badly named option I'll admit) the playlists will simply be in the order created by the component. So not any particular order.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: spuuunit on 2011-04-04 16:19:04
Also in response to spuunit and adeidein. You can control the sorting in the iPod to some extent by using metadata mappings for the "Sort" fields. For example, I have my Sort Artist set to

Code: [Select]
$if(%IS_IN_ATTIC%,zzzz ,$if(%GENRE_CLASSICAL%,zzzy ,$if(%SINGLE_OR_EP%,zzzx ,)))%album artist%


This setting will sort Coverflow for example such that all Singles/EPs come after "normal" albums, classical music after the singles and all old stuff that I don't frequently listen to (which I mark as "IS_IN_ATTIC") at the very end of the list.


Yeah, I've fixed my Cover Flow exactly how I want it to show, that works excellent. I choose to sort it like this myself: '%artist% - %band% - %date% - %album% - %tracknumber% - %title%'.

No such option exists in the component I'm afraid; also some models always display them alphabetically.


Aaaw, too bad. It would be nice.

@spuunit, hm OK that's weird! Hopefully our patron musicmusic can shed some light on that...


Yeah, if it's possible. musicmusic doesn't think so I'm afraid.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2011-04-04 22:47:21
If I'm not mistaken, I think you can get rid of all embedded and additional cover arts: just point foobar to you high-res pictures and foo_dop will scale them when sending to the iPod.

At least this is my understanding of foo_dop artwork management: musicmusic or someone else will eventually correct me.
Essentially, yes, that is it. The iPod doesn't read embedded art; the artwork is stored on the device separately in a number of device-dependent formats

Which size does it downscale them to?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-04-04 23:01:53
It depends on the device. The information is under Shift + File/iPod/Raw properties but the answer is generally in whatever resolutions they are actually displayed at (apart from the angled/slanted coverflow ones).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: spuuunit on 2011-04-05 00:37:11
It depends on the device. The information is under Shift + File/iPod/Raw properties but the answer is generally in whatever resolutions they are actually displayed at (apart from the angled/slanted coverflow ones).


Don't know ether. I got iPod g5, and my covers are all in 300 x 300 px, and the quality is splendid. The resolution of the screen is 320 x 240, so keeping the cover at at least 240 x 240 should make the cover good quality in the iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zim2411 on 2011-04-06 05:10:14
Maybe this is buried in the thread, but I just picked up an iPad. I'm running 4.3.1, and running into a strange album art bug. It seems like the iPad's iPod app expects album art to be resized before hand, and simply shows the album art at a 1:1 ratio. The result is any album art that's over 768x768 in size gets cropped. It does resize for the lock screen though.

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-04-06 11:42:37
Hi,
Oops, looks like the component isn't scaling the artwork for JPEG formats - thanks for the report, I'll fix that for the next version.

Can you send me the output of Shift + File/iPod/Raw properties (checkpoint data)? There are some other JPEG formats but I'm not sure what device they are for (they have slightly odd parameters).

The quality is specified by the device it seems, but they all say "<string>00000300</string>". I wasn't too sure what that was supposed to mean and went with 30/100; that seems quite low on reflection, I'll change it to 75.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2011-04-08 11:56:27
Very nice, just in time for my switch to use my iPad 2 as my livingroom-player instead of foobar2000

@zim: Nice taste
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-04-08 13:07:44
I did ask zim2411, but you or anyone with an iPad could do this to help me out:
Quote
Anyway, if you are able to send one video using iTunes (so that it is the most recent file sent) and then backup the iTunes_Control\Artwork\F3021.ithmb and ArtworkDB files (you can do this using the File System Explorer in iPod manager) and send them to me

There are a couple of artwork formats I still need to make sense of.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-04-16 17:19:16
Version 0.6.9.0 released.

iPad artwork issues should be fixed, but you will need to remove and resend the affected tracks.

There are several enhancements and fixes for podcast support. There should no longer be any problems after downloading podcasts in-device for at least iOS 4.3 devices. Apple-style chapters should now be correctly read and shown on the device, including chapter images - but let me know if you find any podcasts where they aren't (but are shown in iTunes).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: brendyman on 2011-04-18 02:17:47
I have a quick question about on-the-fly conversion. I want fb2k to convert any file in an unsupported format or over 256kb/s to a V0 mp3. What parameters do I enter?

I've looked around for about an hour and I can't find anything. I either suck at googling or I'm the only one who doesn't know the proper commands.

Thanks in advance.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2011-04-18 02:25:18
I have a quick question about on-the-fly conversion. I want fb2k to convert any file in an unsupported format or over 256kb/s to a V0 mp3. What parameters do I enter?

I've looked around for about an hour and I can't find anything. I either suck at googling or I'm the only one who doesn't know the proper commands.

Thanks in advance.


just for the record, are you aware of the double compression you will do to mp3s <256kbit? or are these flac/ape files? (you can ignore this if youre listening with those white iPod-Earphones  )
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jjcarter on 2011-04-20 03:09:36
Hi everyone,

I'm running Windows 7 and I have a 5th gen iPod Video (30GB) with the last firmware that was released for it.  I recently purchased some new music online on the artist's website via Topspin.  I haven't edited the tags on these tracks at all.  I put the new music into foobar and it uploaded to my iPod without any trouble at all.

My problem is that the next time I synced my iPod, I was told that 5 out of 12 of these tracked were going to be removed, and then added again.  I get this same message every single time I sync my iPod (I have done it many times since the first instance). 

So basically, if I were not adding/removing any other music:

Track 1    Remove
Track 2    Remove
Track 3    Remove
Track 4    Remove
Track 5    Remove
Track 1    Add
Track 2    Add
Track 3    Add
Track 4    Add
Track 5    Add

I've added new music to the iPod since this problem started, and this does not happen for any of that music.  Out of all of my music these are the only tracks that I have seen do this.  The tags on these five tracks aren't any different from the other seven and all of the file types are the same.  Like I said, I got all of these from the same place (the artist's website).  The tracks always end up on the iPod, but they are just for some reason removed and then added.

If anyone has any suggestions on how I might go about fixing this they would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!!! 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zim2411 on 2011-04-20 05:48:27
Version 0.6.9.0 released.

iPad artwork issues should be fixed, but you will need to remove and resend the affected tracks.


Fixed! Thank you good sir!

Any chance we could get a JPEG quality option in the preferences? I'm still noticing some JPEG compression artifacts, but it's nothing major.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-04-20 10:05:05
I have a quick question about on-the-fly conversion. I want fb2k to convert any file in an unsupported format or over 256kb/s to a V0 mp3. What parameters do I enter?

I've looked around for about an hour and I can't find anything. I either suck at googling or I'm the only one who doesn't know the proper commands.

Thanks in advance.
Well, you would tick the box for converting unsupported formats, tick the box for converting files above a specified bit rate and enter the bit rate, specify the encoder as lame.exe, and enter the parameters which would be something like (untested):
Code: [Select]
-S --noreplaygain -V 0 - %d


I'm running Windows 7 and I have a 5th gen iPod Video (30GB) with the last firmware that was released for it.  I recently purchased some new music online on the artist's website via Topspin.  I haven't edited the tags on these tracks at all.  I put the new music into foobar and it uploaded to my iPod without any trouble at all.

My problem is that the next time I synced my iPod, I was told that 5 out of 12 of these tracked were going to be removed, and then added again.  I get this same message every single time I sync my iPod (I have done it many times since the first instance).
If it happens on two consecutive syncs for the same files, then try doing a 'Reload Info' under Tools in the Properties for the affected original tracks.

Fixed! Thank you good sir!
Great

Any chance we could get a JPEG quality option in the preferences? I'm still noticing some JPEG compression artifacts, but it's nothing major.
Let me do some testing and bump it if necessary. I don't think it needs an option; it would be difficult for someone to make a judgement on what to set it to as you can't see the resultant image size and surely the interpretation of the quality parameter is encoder dependant.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jjcarter on 2011-04-22 09:30:07
Quote
If it happens on two consecutive syncs for the same files, then try doing a 'Reload Info' under Tools in the Properties for the affected original tracks.


Unfortunately this didn't work for me.  I was however able to figure out a rather odd solution.  All I did was edit the tags on the tracks (I just changed the titles a little bit), and then loaded them onto my iPod (replacing the correctly tagged tracks).  Then I corrected the tags and synced my iPod again.  The tracks were on the iPod with the correct tags, and when I synced the iPod again, the problem ceased to exist!

Thanks for your reply to my problem.  This is such an awesome component... I can't thank you enough for making it possible for me to ditch iTunes.  Thanks a million and keep up the good work! 

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-04-26 23:02:03
0.6.9.1 released. It mainly has some file conversion related enhancements; let me know if anything is broken.

Let me do some testing and bump it if necessary.
I increased it to 95. It should be OK now.

Unfortunately this didn't work for me.  I was however able to figure out a rather odd solution.  All I did was edit the tags on the tracks (I just changed the titles a little bit), and then loaded them onto my iPod (replacing the correctly tagged tracks).  Then I corrected the tags and synced my iPod again.  The tracks were on the iPod with the correct tags, and when I synced the iPod again, the problem ceased to exist!
OK. Well, let me know if it happens again..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: quickbuilder on 2011-04-27 09:46:57
Apologies for nooby question, but I've been getting this sorted for hours, and found a problem i'm unsure of how to fix. I'm using nero's aac codec for conversion, however the default conversion is 127kbps... how do I make it higher? (i used to use mp3 with old computer and ipod, and remember the answer being quite basic, but not sure with this...)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-04-27 12:21:57
It is VBR, set at quality 0.40 by default. If you want to increase it, you need to change the "0.40" in the encoder parameters in preferences.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: quickbuilder on 2011-04-28 00:34:10
Ah thanks, I wasn't sure which I was meant to change. Thanks again!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ellis on 2011-05-09 20:17:41
Hey there, great plugin, really good work.

I do have one problem though. I've recently been moving my music collection to FLAC, so I thought I'd try out the function to transcode unsupported formats.

I'm using the x64 version of LAME 3.98.4 to encode, and I use the same .exe with EAC and All2lame with no problems at all.

The only flags I'm using are -b 320, which is exactly what I use with All2lame. However, when encoding it will seemingly encode all the files (it will say 200 remaining, 100 remaining and so on until it gets to 0, then say a couple of other things in the progress window) before giving me the error message:

"Failed to add file to iPod: Conversion failed - Unexpected process exit code 0000000 1h"

For all of my files. Any pointers? Help would be much appreciated.

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-05-09 21:58:37
Did you include " - %d" at the end of your parameters? i.e.
Code: [Select]
-b 320 - %d
.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ellis on 2011-05-09 22:35:52
Did you include " - %d" at the end of your parameters? i.e.
Code: [Select]
-b 320 - %d
.

I didn't before, but after I added it it worked perfectly!

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Quester on 2011-05-12 08:27:35
musicmusic:
Thanks for such a nice plugin.

I have one small suggestion, or a question, or, i don't know...

Well.

One small thing that bother be while using this iPod manager.

I like to edit my playlists directly on my iPod.
I don't know, maybe i just can't find this feature, but, is this possible, to edit existing iPod playlists?
Exchange items between them, add items from the other playlist in Foobab2000 and stuff?

If not, here is my suggestion.

I think it wold be really nice to add an implementation of editing and managing features for existing playlists.

I'm really tired to be a hypocrite, using iTunes behind your back when i want to edit contents of my iPod

One more time, Thanks...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zlodey on 2011-05-14 09:05:12
foo_dop doesn't transfer the artwork to the 2generation 8 GB nano . That's very bad   
it some kind transfers it, but iPod can't read it.
that's how it looks when the song HAS embedded artwork and is copied to iPod using foo_dop:
http://iceimg.com/i/c2/0e/3e317c8a07.jpg (http://iceimg.com/i/c2/0e/3e317c8a07.jpg)
you see how the text isn't aligned at the center of display.

when i double-click the Click to get the artwork shown on whole display, i see an empty display. By this, i judge that the artwork EXIST there, but it can't be accesed. Maybe the library isn't update the right way ?
http://iceimg.com/i/0e/4c/11208c578e.jpg (http://iceimg.com/i/0e/4c/11208c578e.jpg)

this is how a song is shown WITHOUT artwork. All text aligned at the center of display
http://iceimg.com/i/f1/c5/1e7b55b8fa.jpg (http://iceimg.com/i/f1/c5/1e7b55b8fa.jpg)

and this is how the artwork shows then i copy music to iPod using Floola:
http://iceimg.com/i/04/24/cb418b1886.jpg (http://iceimg.com/i/04/24/cb418b1886.jpg)

foo_dop is a very very good iPod manager, by would like to have the artwork shown after using it. Please help me.
or mayby this is some kind of bug ?

also it can't read songs rating from the iPod. Would be GREAT if it could.
cheers !
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-05-14 12:03:04
I like to edit my playlists directly on my iPod.
I don't know, maybe i just can't find this feature, but, is this possible, to edit existing iPod playlists?
Exchange items between them, add items from the other playlist in Foobab2000 and stuff?
No you are right, that's not possible. Certainly, I could add that to "Manage contents" - I'll keep it in mind.

foo_dop doesn't transfer the artwork to the 2generation 8 GB nano . That's very bad 
Probably a regression; I only have an iPod classic and an iPod touch for testing. What version are you using? Versions going back to 0.6.8.2 are on my site, can you try sending a song from a completely new album using 0.6.8.2 check if it works? If it does, it would be good if you could find the version that it broke in. Also what files are in iPod_Control\Artwork on the device and how big are they?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zlodey on 2011-05-14 12:46:52
Probably a regression; I only have an iPod classic and an iPod touch for testing. What version are you using? Versions going back to 0.6.8.2 are on my site, can you try sending a song from a completely new album using 0.6.8.2 check if it works? If it does, it would be good if you could find the version that it broke in. Also what files are in iPod_Control\Artwork on the device and how big are they?

i used the latest 0.6.9.1 version.
tried the 0.6.8.9 and it works PERFECT in transfering artwork    but... it can't change any tags in the already existing files on my iPod. It can't change genre, artist name, nor even it can add or delete any album art. Using foobar v1.1.7 beta1. That's again not the perfect way, because editing is very important.

The files in the Artwork folder are:
ArtworkDB - 66 KB
ArtworkDB.dop.backup - 59 KB
F1027_1.ithmb - 2.76 MB
F1031_1.ithmb - 633 KB
...but this are the files AFTER i used the 0.6.8.9 version 


anyway thanks for suggestion.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: XAX on 2011-05-14 15:51:34
A large amount of loss-less compression data is encoded to M4A with iPod manager 0.6.9.1 and it is synchronous.

However, the memory utilization of foobar2000 is extraordinary when doing so. (2GB Over?)

Does this memory utilization manage not to be suppressed?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-05-14 16:26:31
OK, I believe I found the problem, it should be fixed in 0.6.9.2 which I will release "soon". There are some other database related changes though; let me know if anything else is not working.

it can't change any tags in the already existing files on my iPod. It can't change genre, artist name, nor even it can add or delete any album art. Using foobar v1.1.7 beta1. That's again not the perfect way, because editing is very important.
If you change the tags of files actually on the device, you need to use "Update metadata" to update the iPod's database. To fix the files with broken artwork, you will have to remove them and resend I'm afraid.

A large amount of loss-less compression data is encoded to M4A with iPod manager 0.6.9.1 and it is synchronous.

However, the memory utilization of foobar2000 is extraordinary when doing so. (2GB Over?)

Does this memory utilization manage not to be suppressed?
What are you doing to trigger the high memory usage, and what version of foobar2000 are you using?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zlodey on 2011-05-14 16:46:44
If you change the tags of files actually on the device, you need to use "Update metadata" to update the iPod's database.

  it works perfectly this way   

hope we'll soon be able to see the ratings from the device and create/delete/rename playlists more easier

good luck. You're doing a great work !!!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-05-14 16:50:20
For ratings you can install the official Playback Statistics component; it should work if the original files are in your media library and haven't moved. They will be updated on any command that rewrites the device's databases (to force it you can use the "Rewrite database" command).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: XAX on 2011-05-14 22:41:14
A large amount of loss-less compression data is encoded to M4A with iPod manager 0.6.9.1 and it is synchronous.

However, the memory utilization of foobar2000 is extraordinary when doing so. (2GB Over?)

Does this memory utilization manage not to be suppressed?
What are you doing to trigger the high memory usage, and what version of foobar2000 are you using?


"foobar2000 >  File >  iPod >  Synchronise" is called.

Whenever encoding by one, the memory is consumed little by little.
When the encode of the album, that is, pieces how many advances, the memory utilization of foobar2000 is supposed to be unexpected.

foobar2000 is v1.1.6 or v1.1.7b2 is used.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-05-15 10:34:51
Are you perhaps talking about disk space usage? Are you encoding to Apple Lossless (ALAC) or AAC?

It is true that if you are encoding to a lossless format, somewhat large amount of disk space will be used, as encodings are processed album-by-album. I can make the temporary folder configurable, perhaps. However, I'm not sure if you are talking about disk space.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Cyaneyes on 2011-05-15 16:40:09
160 GB iPod Classic here. I'm finding out Sound Check values are apparently only used by the iPod when using the headphone/analog output. Since the only place I use the iPod is the car with a Kenwood head unit which bypasses the iPod DAC, this isn't very helpful.

Does anyone know if there's an easy workaround possible with iPod Manager? Perhaps a feature involving using adjusting the audio data before sending to the iPod? Like applying wavgain for lossless conversions and mp3gain for mp3s being sent? Thanks! 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: XAX on 2011-05-16 05:34:18

No, it is not disk space but it is a memory.
I am checking the memory utilization of foobar2000 as a task manager.
And, the memory is consumed fast as encode with iPod Manager progresses.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: luminoso on 2011-05-16 13:56:43
I have a feature request.

Ipod do not support the 'ALBUM ARTIST' or 'ALBUMARTIST' tag. So, when albums do have more that one artist it becomes a completely mess when scrolling in the ipod.

My suggestion is: when 'ALBUM ARTIST' tag is detected do the following:

1) Rename 'TRACK' tag to 'TRACK' + 'ARTIST'
2) Convert 'ALBUM ARTIST' to 'ARTIST'

this way when selecting albums ipod will list:

B) 'ARTIST' -> 'ALBUM' - > 'TRACK' + something

instead of

B)
'ARTIST1' -> 'ALBUM' - > 'TRACK' + something
'ARTIST2' -> 'ALBUM' - > 'TRACK' + something
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-05-16 15:12:00
No, it is not disk space but it is a memory.
I am checking the memory utilization of foobar2000 as a task manager.
And, the memory is consumed fast as encode with iPod Manager progresses.
I tried all kinds of combinations of settings, but I can't reproduce any misbehaviour. Can you:
-Make a clean portable installation of foobar2000 1.1.7 beta 2 with only iPod manager as an additional component. Check if it still happens there.
-Try version 0.6.8.9 of iPod manager
-Try disabling "ReplayGain scan converted files"
-Post exact conversion settings used (e.g. screenshots)
-Let me know if there is anything unusual about your source files (e.g. sample rate, channels)

Thanks

You can do it using the remappings (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#how_can_i_make_my_ipod_display_album_artists_in_place_of_track_artists).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2011-05-17 07:25:07


To expand on musicmusic's reply, you could use the $if() function to check whether the album artist is different from the artist. (foobar makes your life a little difficult because %album artst% returns %artist% if the actual %album artist% field is empty.)

So you can map ARTIST to %album artist%, since that will be the %artist% if there's no different %album artist% recorded. If you want to be paranoid, map it to:
$if($strcmp(%album artist%,%artist%),%artist%,%album artist%)

Then map TRACK to:
$if($strcmp(%album artist%,%artist%),%title%,%artist% - %title%)

Come to think of it, $meta(album artist) will return the actual content of the metadata field. You still need to check if it's empty though, which means comparing to the empty string, or checking whether $len($meta(album artist)) is greater than zero or something. There's always many ways of doing something

(Edited because I managed to get the $if the wrong way round! Check your work, kidz!)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Anomalous on 2011-05-17 09:23:38
Wouldn't foobar2000s behavior make it easier?

ARTIST to:
%album artist%

and TITLE to:
%title%[ - %track artist%]
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2011-05-17 15:22:53


Ah OK, hadn't noticed %track artist%, because I don't really use it in that way, but yes - that would do just fine!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: XAX on 2011-05-17 21:39:27

When "ReplayGain Scan converted files" was disabled, the memory consumption was steady.
Thank you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-05-17 22:19:11
OK. Check if the normal ReplayGain scan functions misbehave. If so, reinstall foobar2000 whilst making sure the ReplayGain scanner is ticked during installation, and then check if they still misbehave.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: XAX on 2011-05-18 12:23:13

foobar2000 was reinstalled.
Replay Gain Scan was executed by a minimum setting.
The memory has been in a moment still consumed here.

It reports to the thread side of foobar2000.

Thank you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: luminoso on 2011-05-18 13:59:13
You can do it using the remappings (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#how_can_i_make_my_ipod_display_album_artists_in_place_of_track_artists).





To expand on musicmusic's reply, you could use the $if() function to check whether the album artist is different from the artist. (foobar makes your life a little difficult because %album artst% returns %artist% if the actual %album artist% field is empty.)

So you can map ARTIST to %album artist%, since that will be the %artist% if there's no different %album artist% recorded. If you want to be paranoid, map it to:
$if($strcmp(%album artist%,%artist%),%artist%,%album artist%)

Then map TRACK to:
$if($strcmp(%album artist%,%artist%),%title%,%artist% - %title%)

Come to think of it, $meta(album artist) will return the actual content of the metadata field. You still need to check if it's empty though, which means comparing to the empty string, or checking whether $len($meta(album artist)) is greater than zero or something. There's always many ways of doing something

(Edited because I managed to get the $if the wrong way round! Check your work, kidz!)


thank you.

Working perfectly so far :-D
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: M4RCHhhare on 2011-05-19 16:12:25
Hey, I just have a simple question. Is there any reason why I am not getting the option to download this component? I have been through the page many times and keep getting redirected without any downloadable link that works.

I tried 3 different internet browsers hoping it was a simple compatibility issue, no luck. I also scoured my computer last night hoping I had just placed it in a different location...again, no luck. 

Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-05-19 19:30:50
Seems fine here. Post the HTTP headers of a download request and response.

Alternatively, try proxify.org, they allow 7-Zip files (at least currently..).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Slutter Butter on 2011-05-19 22:51:15
Having trouble with the .7z files.  What do I with them?  I downloaded the 7-zip archive support component but I don't see what to do with it. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2011-05-20 00:32:54
Having trouble with the .7z files.  What do I with them?  I downloaded the 7-zip archive support component but I don't see what to do with it. 

You do what you do with any other compressed archive format - get a program that will unpack it, like, say, 7-zip (http://www.7-zip.org), WinRAR or a dozen of other archivers...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dj8899 on 2011-05-21 11:30:07
Musicmusic, I got the following error when 'send to ipod', I can see the conversion from FLAC to AAC is going but by the end it show this error and nothing sent to ipod.

"Error writing iTunesDB file : Expected 16 character FireWireGUID. Got: 000000BC614E"

I am using WIN7 HOME, foobar v1.1.6 + foo_pod several versions from the latest version, I got the same error.

My control console shows:

iPod manager: Device properties: DBVersion: 3
iPod manager: Apple iPod/iPhone connected. Device Instance Path: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1261&MI_00\000000BC614E&AAPL0

Please help. By the way, I can load the library from ipod and play the music on it in foobar.

My ipod is 160G 6g.

Thanks a lot.

dj8899
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-05-21 11:57:26
Hmm, interesting. Can you PM me the output of Shift + File/iPod/Raw properties? It should be an easy fix, anyway.

[edit] Also, if you can send me a copy of the iTunesDB file from iPod_Control\iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dj8899 on 2011-05-21 12:13:16
Hmm, interesting. Can you PM me the output of Shift + File/iPod/Raw properties? It should be an easy fix, anyway.

[edit] Also, if you can send me a copy of the iTunesDB file from iPod_Control\iTunes.


PM sent to you. Thanks again.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dj8899 on 2011-05-21 12:17:50
[edit] Also, if you can send me a copy of the iTunesDB file from iPod_Control\iTunes.


Can you maybe give me an email address so that I can send the iTunesDB file? I can't figure out how to send to you here.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-05-21 12:51:12
Sent you a PM.

BTW, your device seems to have been made in March 2010, so it's not that new; I'm not sure why it is different, but it's not too important. Is there anything strange about the USB controller it is connected to?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ellis on 2011-05-21 13:30:14
Is there any way that I can make the artist menu on my iPod sort by the album artist tag and not the plain old artist tag?

I have quite a lot of compilations which means a ton of artists with only one song are cluttering up my artists menu.

I think iTunes either excludes any artists from there if the album has the compilation tag, or sorts by the album artist tag.

EDIT: I'm using foobar2000 v1.1.6 and foo_dop v0.6.8.9 on Windows 7, with a 5th (not the "5.5" generation) 30GB iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dj8899 on 2011-05-21 15:21:21
Sent you a PM.

BTW, your device seems to have been made in March 2010, so it's not that new; I'm not sure why it is different, but it's not too important. Is there anything strange about the USB controller it is connected to?


Musicmusic, following your new version 6.9.3 the problem is resolved. Thank you so much, I love your program. :-)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2011-05-21 16:16:17
musicmusic, I note your site says that iPad2 doesn't work, even with iPhoneCalc.dll - that's surprising, because it's always worked fine for me, ever since I got mine.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-05-21 17:59:05
Is there any way that I can make the artist menu on my iPod sort by the album artist tag and not the plain old artist tag?

I have quite a lot of compilations which means a ton of artists with only one song are cluttering up my artists menu.

I think iTunes either excludes any artists from there if the album has the compilation tag, or sorts by the album artist tag.

EDIT: I'm using foobar2000 v1.1.6 and foo_dop v0.6.8.9 on Windows 7, with a 5th (not the "5.5" generation) 30GB iPod.
Either change the compilation remapping to recognise your compilations, or do this (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#how_can_i_make_my_ipod_display_album_artists_in_place_of_track_artists).

Musicmusic, following your new version 6.9.3 the problem is resolved. Thank you so much, I love your program. :-)
OK, good

musicmusic, I note your site says that iPad2 doesn't work, even with iPhoneCalc.dll - that's surprising, because it's always worked fine for me, ever since I got mine.
Someone put that there, I did think it should work, and as you've confirmed I'll change it
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ellis on 2011-05-21 18:13:43
Is there any way that I can make the artist menu on my iPod sort by the album artist tag and not the plain old artist tag?

I have quite a lot of compilations which means a ton of artists with only one song are cluttering up my artists menu.

I think iTunes either excludes any artists from there if the album has the compilation tag, or sorts by the album artist tag.

EDIT: I'm using foobar2000 v1.1.6 and foo_dop v0.6.8.9 on Windows 7, with a 5th (not the "5.5" generation) 30GB iPod.
Either change the compilation remapping to recognise your compilations, or do this (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#how_can_i_make_my_ipod_display_album_artists_in_place_of_track_artists).

Thanks. I've remapped the album artist and title tags, but I can't find where to update the metadata.

I've seen this mentioned several times, but I can't find the option anywhere, nor can I find anywhere telling me where it is. I have a feeling this is a really stupid question though
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ellis on 2011-05-21 19:37:25
Not sure why it won't edit my post, but I found the option anyway. All sorted now, thanks for your help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: soft-n-fluffy on 2011-05-25 17:12:25
I just got a new iPhone (running on 4.2.8) and I'm having trouble syncing it.  I have foobar2000 1.1, iPod Manager 0.6.8.9, and an iPhoneCalc.dll that I found by Googling.  The error message I get is "DB Version 5 requires iPhoneCalc.dll. Write operations are disabled." 
Maybe I have the wrong iPhoneCalc file?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-05-25 17:16:48
Did you put it in the same folder as foobar2000.exe?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: soft-n-fluffy on 2011-05-25 19:30:08
Did you put it in the same folder as foobar2000.exe?

Wow, it works, thanks!  I assumed it would go in the components folder along with everything else.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: winkillerx on 2011-05-26 16:34:37
I am currently overseas and we have a download cap of 10MB, so I decided to download foobar2000 because I do not have itunes installed on my pc. Now for the iPod manager to work do you need to have itunes installed. My pc pick's up my 2Gen iPod touch, but foobar itself does not. Can anybody help me with this problem. Thank you
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sonvolt on 2011-05-26 22:17:53
I am currently overseas and we have a download cap of 10MB, so I decided to download foobar2000 because I do not have itunes installed on my pc. Now for the iPod manager to work do you need to have itunes installed. My pc pick's up my 2Gen iPod touch, but foobar itself does not. Can anybody help me with this problem. Thank you

If you don't want to install Itunes you need to install Bonjour Print Services 

http://support.apple.com/en_US/downloads/#bonjour (http://support.apple.com/en_US/downloads/#bonjour) for windows
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dj lists on 2011-05-28 00:09:45
I previously used Winamp with the ml_ipod plugin. It had the option to change the way the names showed up on the ipod. For instance, I would add the artist name to the title field. So with iTunes I would see:

Crazy
Crazy
Crazy
Crazy
Crazy

on my ipod, with ml_ipod I would see:

Crazy {Aerosmith}
Crazy {Barenaked Ladies}
Crazy {Gnarls Barkley}
Crazy {Ice House}
Crazy {Patsy Cline}
Crazy {Seal}

Is there a way to do this with Foobar?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Leak on 2011-05-28 12:03:31
I previously used Winamp with the ml_ipod plugin. It had the option to change the way the names showed up on the ipod.
[...]
Is there a way to do this with Foobar?

Preferences > Tools > iPod Manager > Database > Metadata

Go nuts.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: spiritsongtress on 2011-05-28 15:15:39
Ok guys I updated my 'software' for my Ipod touch 4G, to 4.3.3,, and now it doesn't play sound in Foobar 2000 is this problem with the 'manager' (since it hasn't caught up with the  updated ipod apple update') or something else?

It does work with Itunes!

Anyone help?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: redgoldgreen on 2011-05-30 00:18:58
In my never ending quest to get away from itunes i am once again trying foo_dop.  I am having the same problem I had a year ago.  When I try to add files to my ipod 6g 80gb classic 2007 it says "failed to add files to ipod it reserved disk space limit exceeded"  Why is this.  I can fin fix it by making an unused 800 megabytes on it but that is a waste of my ipod and believe it or not 80 gigs is not enough for me.  Ive tried the recover orphaned command but it does nothing.  thanks for the help

win xp pro sp3
here is my components report:

Core (2011-04-22 18:08:54 UTC)
    foobar2000 core 1.1.6
foo_albumlist.dll (2011-03-11 14:16:10 UTC)
    Album List 4.5
foo_audioscrobbler.dll (2010-11-24 10:19:03 UTC)
    Audioscrobbler 1.4.7
foo_cdda.dll (2011-04-22 18:07:24 UTC)
    CD Audio Decoder 3.0
foo_converter.dll (2011-04-22 18:07:08 UTC)
    Converter 1.5
foo_discogs.dll (2011-05-29 00:39:04 UTC)
    Discogs Tagger 1.26
foo_dop.dll (2011-05-25 15:17:43 UTC)
    iPod manager 0.6.9.4
foo_dsp_std.dll (2011-03-11 14:16:10 UTC)
    Standard DSP Array 1.0
foo_input_std.dll (2011-04-22 18:07:20 UTC)
    Standard Input Array 1.0
foo_playcount.dll (2010-10-12 15:21:52 UTC)
    Playback Statistics 3.0.1
foo_quicksearch.dll (2010-10-19 19:32:34 UTC)
    Quick Search Toolbar 2.3
foo_rgscan.dll (2011-04-22 18:07:12 UTC)
    ReplayGain Scanner 2.1.1
foo_ui_columns.dll (2011-02-27 20:23:00 UTC)
    Columns UI 0.3.8.8
foo_ui_std.dll (2011-04-22 18:07:30 UTC)
    Default User Interface 0.9.5
foo_uie_albumlist.dll (2009-06-13 22:49:19 UTC)
    Album list panel 0.3.5
foo_uie_biography.dll (2010-12-13 20:38:26 UTC)
    Biography View 0.4.2.4
foo_uie_elplaylist.dll (2011-01-06 09:07:35 UTC)
    ELPlaylist 0.6.9.1.2(beta)
foo_uie_esplaylist.dll (2011-02-19 08:20:42 UTC)
    EsPlaylist 0.1.3.7
foo_uie_panel_splitter.dll (2010-05-27 11:03:02 UTC)
    Panel Stack Splitter 0.3.8.3(alpha)
foo_uie_quicksearch.dll (2010-03-07 08:23:39 UTC)
    Quick Search Toolbar 2.8l
foo_uie_vis_channel_spectrum.dll (2010-03-07 08:23:55 UTC)
    Channel Spectrum panel 0.17.2
foo_uie_vis_peakmeter_spectrum.dll (2010-03-07 08:24:47 UTC)
    Peakmeter Spectrum Visualisation 0.2.0.0 beta
foo_uie_wsh_panel_mod.dll (2011-01-08 08:11:34 UTC)
    WSH Panel Mod 1.4.2
foo_wave_seekbar.dll (2010-11-22 11:37:26 UTC)
    Waveform seekbar 0.2.12
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-05-30 10:45:22
Ok guys I updated my 'software' for my Ipod touch 4G, to 4.3.3,, and now it doesn't play sound in Foobar 2000 is this problem with the 'manager' (since it hasn't caught up with the  updated ipod apple update') or something else?
If you mean foobar2000 itself is not playing audio, then it is probably something to do with your output settings. Check them and the console.

In my never ending quest to get away from itunes i am once again trying foo_dop.  I am having the same problem I had a year ago.  When I try to add files to my ipod 6g 80gb classic 2007 it says "failed to add files to ipod it reserved disk space limit exceeded"  Why is this.  I can fin fix it by making an unused 800 megabytes on it but that is a waste of my ipod and believe it or not 80 gigs is not enough for me.  Ive tried the recover orphaned command but it does nothing.  thanks for the help
It will not use the last .5% of disk space which I work out to be ~390MB. You can change the limit in advanced preferences if you want to, but some space is needed to write database files etc.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ColZero on 2011-05-31 20:03:51
I apologize if this question was already asked, but I cannot for the life of me figure out to to EDIT playlists ON MY IPOD.  I'll send a playlist over from Foobar but after that I have no way of adding or removing songs from that playlist.  What I've been doing is if I've added songs to playlist X I just removed playlist X from my iPod and sent the edited version over.  But when I do that the songs from the old playlist X get copied twice on my iPod when they're sent over again with the edited version of playlist X that contains the old songs + the new ones I've added.  So if some could please let me know if there is a way to edit playlists on the iPod.  I really like Foobar, but this is the one function I have not been able to find that I could with iTunes and I would really like to not get iTunes just for that function.  I'm using The 1.1.7 beta version of Foobar.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: redgoldgreen on 2011-05-31 22:07:55
Ok guys I updated my 'software' for my Ipod touch 4G, to 4.3.3,, and now it doesn't play sound in Foobar 2000 is this problem with the 'manager' (since it hasn't caught up with the  updated ipod apple update') or something else?
If you mean foobar2000 itself is not playing audio, then it is probably something to do with your output settings. Check them and the console.

In my never ending quest to get away from itunes i am once again trying foo_dop.  I am having the same problem I had a year ago.  When I try to add files to my ipod 6g 80gb classic 2007 it says "failed to add files to ipod it reserved disk space limit exceeded"  Why is this.  I can fin fix it by making an unused 800 megabytes on it but that is a waste of my ipod and believe it or not 80 gigs is not enough for me.  Ive tried the recover orphaned command but it does nothing.  thanks for the help
It will not use the last .5% of disk space which I work out to be ~390MB. You can change the limit in advanced preferences if you want to, but some space is needed to write database files etc.



thanks musicmusic...i got it down to 75 megabytes or so...i can deal with that

one last thing bugging me.  Is there a way to sort my ipod view by date added to ipod?

thanks so much for your help this time I think ill be dropping itunes permanently.  Thank you so much for your help.  I appreciate your time.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-05-31 22:24:42
I apologize if this question was already asked, but I cannot for the life of me figure out to to EDIT playlists ON MY IPOD.
There is no easy way I'm afraid, other than using the synchronise command instead.

one last thing bugging me.  Is there a way to sort my ipod view by date added to ipod?
If you disable the "Sort iPod library playlist" option on the behaviour tab in preferences, it will leave the items in the order they are in the database, which is effectively the same thing.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: santosh.s on 2011-06-01 14:48:30
Good to see the support for ffmpeg and nero out of the box. But I am not able to use it due to a problem that I had mentioned in this same thread an year or two ago

- SoundCheck feature of ipod does not work with all accessories using USB audio connection (accessories using analog audio connection work fine, though). As a workaround, one has to "apply" replaygain before sending files to ipod.

musicmusic, can an options like "apply replaygain" be added? It can also be extended to DSP effects etc. (dynamic compression effect is very useful for noisy environments like car/travelling)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-06-01 22:31:59
Did you not hear back from Clarion (or Apple) then?

I suppose that option (apply gain before encoding) could be added to the converter; of course you would have to force all files to be transcoded. Does the [-100%,+100%] per-track volume slider in iTunes definitely not work as well? I am not convinced the need for DSP effects here is great, and it's a separate issue anyway.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pnjman on 2011-06-02 00:24:57
Hi musicmusic, thanks again for all the work you've done on this component.

With the latest version (0.6.9.4) adding podcasts with foobar is buggy. Podcasts added with itunes appear fine, when added with foobar they either don't appear on the itunes app (I've an iphone 3gs with jailbroken 4.3.3) or all appear under the same title. Was working fine with 0.6.9.1.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: santosh.s on 2011-06-02 04:17:55
Did you not hear back from Clarion (or Apple) then?

Nope! Apple hasn't released any firmware upgrade since then. BTW, I came across people facing the same issue with other head unit makes as well.

Quote
I suppose that option (apply gain before encoding) could be added to the converter; of course you would have to force all files to be transcoded.

That would be really great.

Quote
Does the [-100%,+100%] per-track volume slider in iTunes definitely not work as well?

If I remember correctly from earlier experiments, it worked, but not consistently between headphone out and USB audio (it felt like linear in one case while logarithmic in the other). To clarify what I mean, if I changed the slider and made it sound louder on headphone, it sounded way too louder though USB. Something like that.

In any case, even if that had worked, I believe since it is a manual task it would be neither practical for a large library nor accurate enough.

Quote
I am not convinced the need for DSP effects here is great, and it's a separate issue anyway.

Agreed, it is not as compelling as the need for applying replaygain. I was just thinking it shouldn't harm if the existing converter code in foobar2k is to be used, but then I am not a programmer and don't know fb2k internals!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ColZero on 2011-06-02 08:01:49
There is no easy way I'm afraid, other than using the synchronise command instead.


Sooooo basically there is no way?

Also it seems when I load my iPod library > edit the album art > and click "update album art" option it doesn't update it on my iPod. I think it did once but hasn't done it again.  Just a glitch?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pok_Madui on 2011-06-02 13:49:33
Hello everyone, I have a problem which i couldn't manage to solve by my own. I'm sorry if this has been posted and answered already.

I have a 5.5G iPod with firmware version 1.3 and I'm using Windows XP SP3.
Most of my audio library is in FLAC, and i transfer them to my iPod as ALAC (encoding with foobar using this (http://fb2k.net/?p=127) method).

I tried to automate the process using the same encoder in the method listed above (while utilizing the "Convert audio tracks in unsupported formats" option and listing the same parameters as the guide in fb2k.net suggests) to have my FLAC files automatically converted to ALAC when i tell foobar to send them to my iPod.

Needless to say, the parameters suggested at fb2k.net (-i – -acodec alac %d) didn't work both with foobar's own converter and with foo_dop's converter.

foobar's error log after trying to convert:

Code: [Select]
CLI encoder: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ffmpeg.exe
Destination file: D:\Full Length\Lossless\Accept - Restless And Wild - 1982\01. Fast As A Shark.m4a
Encoder stream format: 44100Hz / 2ch / 16bps
Command line: "C:\WINDOWS\system32\ffmpeg.exe" -i – -acodec alac "01. Fast As A Shark.m4a"
Working folder: D:\Full Length\Lossless\Accept - Restless And Wild - 1982\
Could not determine file attributes for "D:\Full Length\Lossless\Accept - Restless And Wild - 1982\01. Fast As A Shark.m4a", reason: Object not found
An error occurred while writing to file (The encoder has terminated prematurely with code 1 (0x00000001); please re-check parameters) : "D:\Full Length\Lossless\Accept - Restless And Wild - 1982\01. Fast As A Shark.m4a"
Additional information:
Encoder stream format: 44100Hz / 2ch / 16bps
Command line: "C:\WINDOWS\system32\ffmpeg.exe" -i – -acodec alac "01. Fast As A Shark.m4a"
Working folder: D:\Full Length\Lossless\Accept - Restless And Wild - 1982\
Conversion failed: The encoder has terminated prematurely with code 1 (0x00000001); please re-check parameters
could not enumerate tracks (Object not found) on:
D:\Full Length\Lossless\Accept - Restless And Wild - 1982\01. Fast As A Shark.m4a
Total encoding time: 0:03.047, 0.13x realtime


trying to convert via foo_dop when sending to iPod yielded this result:
"Failed to add file to iPod: Conversion failed - Unexpected process exit code 00000001h".

However, the parameters suggested in the comment section at fb2k.net (-i %s -acodec alac %d), worked with foobar's converter, but when trying to use the same parameters through foo_dop's automatic converting option when sending to iPod, i got the same result listed above.

I would be very happy if you could help me with this issue, i think others would also benefit well from this.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: foolver on 2011-06-02 15:12:39
why won't my iPod show Beyoncé, instead it only shows Unknown Artists? i go to my library, i send the albums to my iPod, and the iPod (or the iPod manager) instantly truncates the artist field, making it entirely blank. i tried id3v2.3 and id3v2.4, but it's always the same thing, and i can never get it to work
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-06-03 10:39:05
Hi musicmusic, thanks again for all the work you've done on this component.

With the latest version (0.6.9.4) adding podcasts with foobar is buggy. Podcasts added with itunes appear fine, when added with foobar they either don't appear on the itunes app (I've an iphone 3gs with jailbroken 4.3.3) or all appear under the same title. Was working fine with 0.6.9.1.
Reproduced, sorry about that. I've just posted 0.6.9.5 with a fix - you just need to run rewrite database.

If I remember correctly from earlier experiments, it worked, but not consistently between headphone out and USB audio (it felt like linear in one case while logarithmic in the other). To clarify what I mean, if I changed the slider and made it sound louder on headphone, it sounded way too louder though USB. Something like that.

In any case, even if that had worked, I believe since it is a manual task it would be neither practical for a large library nor accurate enough.
It is another potential solution i.e. the component could set that field automatically. Yes, there are some issues regarding the consistency of interpretation, but I think some of that is just various volume adjustment caps.

I was just thinking it shouldn't harm if the existing converter code in foobar2k is to be used
Nope, all written by me...

Also it seems when I load my iPod library > edit the album art > and click "update album art" option it doesn't update it on my iPod. I think it did once but hasn't done it again.  Just a glitch?
It will check the original source file if it still exists, when it doesn't it falls back to any embedded image in the file on the device.

It seems like you just have an old version of ffmpeg. Get a new one (http://ffmpeg.zeranoe.com/builds/).

why won't my iPod show Beyoncé, instead it only shows Unknown Artists? i go to my library, i send the albums to my iPod, and the iPod (or the iPod manager) instantly truncates the artist field, making it entirely blank. i tried id3v2.3 and id3v2.4, but it's always the same thing, and i can never get it to work
What device? Can you try retyping Beyoncé? Can you check what it says in 'Manage contents"?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pok_Madui on 2011-06-03 13:32:23
It seems like you just have an old version of ffmpeg. Get a new one (http://ffmpeg.zeranoe.com/builds/).


Hello, and thanks for the response, but:

I've downloaded the latest 32-bit Static build, and extracted the ffmpeg.exe file and replaced the old one with it. Same results as before.
Are there any other files in the zip that I should use and I don't know about?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-06-03 14:27:02
Looking at your parameters again "-i – -acodec alac %d" it looks like you have a dash after -i instead of a hyphen. Check that, or just grab the latest iPod manager which has pre-defined settings.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pok_Madui on 2011-06-03 17:31:17
Looking at your parameters again "-i – -acodec alac %d" it looks like you have a dash after -i instead of a hyphen. Check that, or just grab the latest iPod manager which has pre-defined settings.


Wow! Thanks for the help! I've downloaded the latest foo_dop and it worked like magic!
It seems that the most annoying problems have the simplest solutions. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2011-06-03 23:37:11
Hey musicmusic, just something odd I noticed. If I rename my playlists in foobar and then resync my ipod, it seems to leave music behind on the ipod causing it to run out of space. I'm not sure if anything can be done about this, but I thought I'd mention it. To resolve it in the past I've simply wiped my entire ipod, I don't know if anyone else has a better suggestion for this.

Not a major issue, I don't rename playlists constantly, but I figured I'd mention it since maybe others have not come across it. Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: santosh.s on 2011-06-04 08:48:51
It is another potential solution i.e. the component could set that field automatically. Yes, there are some issues regarding the consistency of interpretation, but I think some of that is just various volume adjustment caps.

I tried this method of volume adjustment slider, it works in iTunes and iPod using headphones but not though USB audio, same problem as SoundCheck. Applying gain seems to be the only way.
BTW, what did you mean by "caps"? (limits?)

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Nope, all written by me...

In that case I would consider it outside the scope of this plugin.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-06-04 11:47:17
Hey musicmusic, just something odd I noticed. If I rename my playlists in foobar and then resync my ipod, it seems to leave music behind on the ipod causing it to run out of space. I'm not sure if anything can be done about this, but I thought I'd mention it. To resolve it in the past I've simply wiped my entire ipod, I don't know if anyone else has a better suggestion for this.

Not a major issue, I don't rename playlists constantly, but I figured I'd mention it since maybe others have not come across it. Thanks.
Sync looks at the files in the playlists, so renaming them shouldn't matter. If the files don't appear in the iPod's library they must be "orphaned". That shouldn't happen, but such problems may occur if you have iTunes open whilst using iPod manager. The only other thing that might take up significant space is the artwork thumbnail files. Next time you have the problem, run 'Load library' and check how the total size of all files and compare it to the size of the iPod_Control\Music folder, and also check the size of the artwork files at iPod_Control\Artwork.

I tried this method of volume adjustment slider, it works in iTunes and iPod using headphones but not though USB audio, same problem as SoundCheck. Applying gain seems to be the only way.
OK thanks, I'll put something together soon..

BTW, what did you mean by "caps"? (limits?)
Yes, actually it's a limit on things like spending so I probably misused the word.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: foolver on 2011-06-04 18:38:32
why won't my iPod show Beyoncé, instead it only shows Unknown Artists? i go to my library, i send the albums to my iPod, and the iPod (or the iPod manager) instantly truncates the artist field, making it entirely blank. i tried id3v2.3 and id3v2.4, but it's always the same thing, and i can never get it to work
What device? Can you try retyping Beyoncé? Can you check what it says in 'Manage contents"?


it will work by retyping, but only if i type it manually, and then click on the "update metadata". otherwise there is no way do it. it's the latest iPod Classic 160GB.
the artist name is not shown in the manage contents until i manually update the tags, just like the iPod itself.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-06-04 22:18:24
Can you send me a file that doesn't work (e-mail address on my site) or post a hex dump of its tag. There must be something strange in there if retyping works, maybe a new line or something, who knows..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2011-06-05 18:26:12
Sync looks at the files in the playlists, so renaming them shouldn't matter. If the files don't appear in the iPod's library they must be "orphaned". That shouldn't happen, but such problems may occur if you have iTunes open whilst using iPod manager. The only other thing that might take up significant space is the artwork thumbnail files. Next time you have the problem, run 'Load library' and check how the total size of all files and compare it to the size of the iPod_Control\Music folder, and also check the size of the artwork files at iPod_Control\Artwork.


Ah I think I found the issue. I had a new checkbox under sync called "media library" that was checked by default. At least I don't recall ever checking it. It was filling my iPod to the brim. Found it after I reset the whole damn thing to factory defaults.... aaah!

Ah well, thanks music, foo_dop still rocks. I've been doing some work updating other components like Columns UI, installing facets, and updating my ui configuration.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: durch on 2011-06-07 10:16:54
I use an iPod nano 1G. I tried to map Artist to $meta(artist,0). It works for both the iPod's Artist List and played songs. However, I thought it would be better if it worked just for the Artist list. So I didn't map Artist but "Sort artist" to $meta(artist,0). But after doing it, the iPod's Artist list showed normal entries like "Artist1 / Artist2 / Artist3". Does "Sort artist" not work for iPod nano 1G?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-06-09 18:41:47
It functions as it does in iTunes, which is to change the order the artists are displayed. It doesn't change what is displayed, that is what the normal artist does. What you want to do is not possible.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bryter on 2011-06-12 11:16:38
Everytime you ad an album to the iPod and then when you try to add another one it wont allow you as it says "iPod is busy". Is there a way to fix this so you can ad albums one after the another without having to wait until the first album is completely transferred to iPod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-06-13 14:29:52
OK thanks, I'll put something together soon..
Added in version 0.6.9.6.

Everytime you ad an album to the iPod and then when you try to add another one it wont allow you as it says "iPod is busy". Is there a way to fix this so you can ad albums one after the another without having to wait until the first album is completely transferred to iPod?
Sorry, not currently, but you could build up a playlist first and then add or sync in one go.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: santosh.s on 2011-06-14 04:46:13
Added in version 0.6.9.6.

Thank you so much! So I guess here is what happens under the hood- when "apply RG before encoding" is selected, it will apply the existing gain first (and not scan for RG later or create any soundcheck tag?). Whereas when "scan RG after encoding" is selected it will scan RG value and convert it to soundcheck. Is that correct?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-06-14 10:22:16
Yes, that's correct.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jazzboyrules on 2011-06-14 17:23:18
Hi,  I have an iPhone 3GS running on iOS 4.3.3.
Is there a way to retrieve the songs that I restored on the phone via iCloud.  I can copy them manually from File -> iPod -> File System Explorer. But is there an automated way to copy just the files that are on iPhone but not in my music folder?  I tried File -> iPod -> Recover orphaned tracks but that doesn't seem to work.. it doesn't generate a playlist with the recovered tracks.  It starts the process to recover, ends without any errors but doesn't show any new playlist.

So I copied all the tracks with random characters in filenames but now can't delete those.  It says that those files were downloaded on-device and they can be deleted only from the device.  I have about 30 such files on the device which I can't remove.

Please suggest a solution.

Also there is one bug.  If the sync is going on with my iPhone and I receive a call, the sync messes up even if I don't pick up the call. 
Does that mean that I need to go to airplane mode every time I am syncing using fb2k?

Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jazzboyrules on 2011-06-14 17:58:58
Hi,  I have an iPhone 3GS running on iOS 4.3.3.
Is there a way to retrieve the songs that I restored on the phone via iCloud.  I can copy them manually from File -> iPod -> File System Explorer. But is there an automated way to copy just the files that are on iPhone but not in my music folder?  I tried File -> iPod -> Recover orphaned tracks but that doesn't seem to work.. it doesn't generate a playlist with the recovered tracks.  It starts the process to recover, ends without any errors but doesn't show any new playlist.

So I copied all the tracks with random characters in filenames but now can't delete those.  It says that those files were downloaded on-device and they can be deleted only from the device.  I have about 30 such files on the device which I can't remove.

Please suggest a solution.

Also there is one bug.  If the sync is going on with my iPhone and I receive a call, the sync messes up even if I don't pick up the call. 
Does that mean that I need to go to airplane mode every time I am syncing using fb2k?

Thanks.


When I copied the music from iPhone, the files got copied alright, but it lost all the tag.  Did I miss something when copying them?  Any tips on how I could preserve the tags when copying the files?
Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: silkcut on 2011-06-14 20:54:16
Can someone help me sort out my artwork?  I have all covers saved as folder.jpg inside each album folder.  Yet, when I transfer large amounts of music to my ipod, all the artwork goes haywire.  i.e. Albums will show another album's cover with no rhyme or reason.  Is it a problem with my iPod or can I do something with foo_dop to fix this?  And how can I prevent it from happening?  Should I embed all artwork in my mp3s instead of using folder.jpg?  Thanks!!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mooee on 2011-06-14 21:42:16
Hello! First of all, thanks for a great plugin, haven't used anything else for years.

But I've got a problem. I'm using this plugin with foo_audioscrobbler, and in the last few weeks scrobbling to last.fm from ipod just doesn't work.
Example of console contents:
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Audioscrobbler: Handshake successful.
Audioscrobbler: Importing played tracks from iPod
Audioscrobbler: Finished importing 1 tracks.
Audioscrobbler: Submitting track...
Audioscrobbler: Submission succeeded.

Everything looks normal, but it just doesn't show up on my last.fm page.
If I just play tracks in foobar, they get submitted normally and show up on last.fm.
I'm asking about it here just because foo_audioscrobbler wasn't updated for a year. I'm not really sure if it's a foo_dop issue.
Last time I submitted ipod tracks successfully was in january - there was a huge break in my ipod usage.
I've tried versions that are available right now: 0.6.8.9 and 0.6.9.6. I've also tried version 0.6.8.1 that worked for me in january. Right now it doesn't.
I've tried deleting foo_audioscrobbler and foo_dop *.cfg files. Updated foobar to 1.1.7. Completely uninstalled foobar2000 including deletion of folders in program files and in appdata\roaming (win7), then reinstalled and added only two plugins in question. Nothing helped.

I'm lost now.

Maybe some file on ipod got corrupted?

Oh, ipod model is nano 4g. Don't remember firmware version, not a recent one.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-06-15 00:18:53
Hi,  I have an iPhone 3GS running on iOS 4.3.3.
Is there a way to retrieve the songs that I restored on the phone via iCloud.  I can copy them manually from File -> iPod -> File System Explorer. But is there an automated way to copy just the files that are on iPhone but not in my music folder?  I tried File -> iPod -> Recover orphaned tracks but that doesn't seem to work.. it doesn't generate a playlist with the recovered tracks.  It starts the process to recover, ends without any errors but doesn't show any new playlist.

So I copied all the tracks with random characters in filenames but now can't delete those.  It says that those files were downloaded on-device and they can be deleted only from the device.  I have about 30 such files on the device which I can't remove.

Please suggest a solution.
Recover orphaned tracks won't help, that is for files on the device but not in the database (due to a problem during sync or similar).

Anyway they might be listed through a normal 'Load library'. If so, just use the normal foobar2000 copy files file operation command.

The message means you should just delete them on the device, it should be possible with a swipe gesture.

BTW what exactly did you do with iCloud? It seems I don't have access to the music part of it not living in the US.

Also there is one bug.  If the sync is going on with my iPhone and I receive a call, the sync messes up even if I don't pick up the call. 
Does that mean that I need to go to airplane mode every time I am syncing using fb2k?
Hmm, I don't recall anyone ever mentioning that. What exactly happens (in foobar2000 and on the device)?

When I copied the music from iPhone, the files got copied alright, but it lost all the tag.  Did I miss something when copying them?  Any tips on how I could preserve the tags when copying the files?
Not really, if they aren't in the file, they aren't in the file...

Can someone help me sort out my artwork?  I have all covers saved as folder.jpg inside each album folder.  Yet, when I transfer large amounts of music to my ipod, all the artwork goes haywire.  i.e. Albums will show another album's cover with no rhyme or reason.  Is it a problem with my iPod or can I do something with foo_dop to fix this?  And how can I prevent it from happening?  Should I embed all artwork in my mp3s instead of using folder.jpg?  Thanks!!
Don't use folder.jpg. It is a reserved system file, use cover.jpg or something else instead.

But I've got a problem. I'm using this plugin with foo_audioscrobbler, and in the last few weeks scrobbling to last.fm from ipod just doesn't work.
Well, it seems like the audioscobbler component is getting the play data notification. Maybe use something like Microsoft Network Monitor and check what is being transmitted to last.fm. Also check the date and time on your device is set correctly.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jazzboyrules on 2011-06-15 03:24:23
Recover orphaned tracks won't help, that is for files on the device but not in the database (due to a problem during sync or similar).
Anyway they might be listed through a normal 'Load library'. If so, just use the normal foobar2000 copy files file operation command.


I copied from the playlist generated after 'load library'. The files got copied but the tags didn't transfer.

The message means you should just delete them on the device, it should be possible with a swipe gesture.


It works only for Podcasts, not songs.

BTW what exactly did you do with iCloud? It seems I don't have access to the music part of it not living in the US.


The iCloud appears in the iTunes Store App.  Through that I could redownload any song I purchased in past. The full implementation of iCloud will still happen in iOS5.  But I believe that this basic feature should be available to anyone in US using iPhone/iPod touch. Just FYI my iOS is 4.3.3 not jailbroken.

Also there is one bug.  If the sync is going on with my iPhone and I receive a call, the sync messes up even if I don't pick up the call. 
Does that mean that I need to go to airplane mode every time I am syncing using fb2k?

Hmm, I don't recall anyone ever mentioning that. What exactly happens (in foobar2000 and on the device)?

So if I receive a call and whether I receive it or not, on the computer I can see the syncing happening as usual. But at the end it will list the files that could not be written since the call came.

When I copied the music from iPhone, the files got copied alright, but it lost all the tags.  Did I miss something when copying them?  Any tips on how I could preserve the tags when copying the files?

Not really, if they aren't in the file, they aren't in the file...


I think the files contain the tags.  Here's the reason.  When I tried to remove those files which I downloaded on device, in the error log.. it gave a list of all those files which cannot be removed ( because they were downloaded on-device).  But it also listed the song titles, artist names to describe those files.  Now I have copied the same files from the playlist generated after 'load library' command.  But they get copied with null tags.

I hope my answers help you debug.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-06-15 10:27:44
It works only for Podcasts, not songs.
Ignoring the idiocy of being able to download songs in-device that you can't then delete in-device, that will surely change with iOS 5 with the whole "computer-free" thing. Songs downloaded in-device have references in various places and some of the files with references are protected against modification by cryptographic signatures. Hence, the component won't remove them.

So if I receive a call and whether I receive it or not, on the computer I can see the syncing happening as usual. But at the end it will list the files that could not be written since the call came.
Hmm, at a guess the iPhone probably asks the component to pause the sync. If you can get them, a copy of the device system log when it happens might be helpful (Shift + File/iPod/View system log) and also the errors received.

I think the files contain the tags.  Here's the reason.  When I tried to remove those files which I downloaded on device, in the error log.. it gave a list of all those files which cannot be removed ( because they were downloaded on-device).  But it also listed the song titles, artist names to describe those files.  Now I have copied the same files from the playlist generated after 'load library' command.  But they get copied with null tags.
The metadata is in the database(s), but the component doesn't offer any way to transfer them to the file's tag(s). If anyone stripped the files of their tags, it would be Apple.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jazzboyrules on 2011-06-15 15:10:59
So if I receive a call and whether I receive it or not, on the computer I can see the syncing happening as usual. But at the end it will list the files that could not be written since the call came.
Hmm, at a guess the iPhone probably asks the component to pause the sync. If you can get them, a copy of the device system log when it happens might be helpful (Shift + File/iPod/View system log) and also the errors received.

Hmm, I haven't repeated that problem.  Will post that log the next time it happens.

For now, I keep on seeing the error log after every sync that the component cannot remove the files downloaded on-device.  So is wiping off all music from the phone using iTunes, and then resyncing using fb2k the only solution?

But as I was playing around using your instructions.. I found interesting things in the log. I saw that 2 errors happen at every sync.  Are they anything major? Any way to avoid them from happening?
Here is an excerpt of the log for trying to sync twice.

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Jun 15 09:57:58 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Notice>: MultitouchHID(1ed10d60) uilock state: 0 -> 1
Jun 15 09:58:21 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: SB SYNC: iTunesSyncRequestedStart 0
Jun 15 09:58:21 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: SB SYNC: beginSyncing 1
Jun 15 09:58:22 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: SB SYNC: didShowSyncPanel 2
Jun 15 09:58:22 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: SB SYNC: _notifyAppsSyncWillBegin 2
Jun 15 09:58:22 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: *** MLSSqliteVFS AllWrites DISABLED ***
Jun 15 09:58:22 Kaushals-iPhone iapd[1193] <Warning>: *** MLSSqliteVFS AllWrites DISABLED ***
Jun 15 09:58:22 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Notice>: MultitouchHID(1ed10d60) uilock state: 1 -> 0
Jun 15 09:58:26 Kaushals-iPhone voiced[2747] <Warning>: *** MLSSqliteVFS AllWrites DISABLED ***
Jun 15 09:59:06 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: SB SYNC: iTunesSyncHasCompleted 2
Jun 15 09:59:06 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: SB SYNC: didEndSyncing 5
Jun 15 09:59:07 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: ITDBPrepServerPostProcessRun: [BEGIN] looking up itdbprepserver.
Jun 15 09:59:07 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: starting up.
Jun 15 09:59:07 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: acquired iTunes sync file lock.
Jun 15 09:59:07 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: acquired itdbprep file lock.
Jun 15 09:59:07 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: posting com.apple.itdbprep.notification.willBegin
Jun 15 09:59:08 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: ITDBPrepServerPostProcessRun: [-END-] looking up itdbprepserver.  success = 1
Jun 15 09:59:08 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: BEGIN processing command: com.apple.itdprep.command.runPostProcess
Jun 15 09:59:08 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: [BEGIN] ITDBPostProcessController...
Jun 15 09:59:08 Kaushals-iPhone com.apple.itdbprep.server[2748] <Notice>: warning: Could not compile statement SELECT value FROM _SqliteDatabaseProperties WHERE key = ?;: no such table: _SqliteDatabaseProperties
Jun 15 09:59:08 Kaushals-iPhone com.apple.itdbprep.server[2748] <Notice>: warning: Could not compile statement SELECT value FROM _SqliteDatabaseProperties WHERE key = ?;: no such table: _SqliteDatabaseProperties
Jun 15 09:59:08 Kaushals-iPhone com.apple.itdbprep.server[2748] <Notice>: warning: Could not compile statement SELECT value FROM _SqliteDatabaseProperties WHERE key = ?;: no such table: _SqliteDatabaseProperties
Jun 15 09:59:12 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: Sort collations changed, need to recompute
Jun 15 09:59:14 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Notice>: MultitouchHID(1ed10d60) uilock state: 0 -> 1
Jun 15 09:59:33 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: Running Misc Commands...
Jun 15 09:59:33 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: Running Create Triggers...
Jun 15 09:59:37 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Notice>: MultitouchHID(1ed10d60) uilock state: 1 -> 0
Jun 15 09:59:42 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: Initializing MusicLibrary...
Jun 15 09:59:42 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: *** STARTING: DB Backup (CREATE-NEW) ***
Jun 15 09:59:44 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: *** FINISHED: DB Backup (CREATE-NEW, time = 1.25s) ***
Jun 15 09:59:44 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: [-END-] ITDBPostProcessController.

Stats
totalTime=35.45s
updateSortMap=22.47
Jun 15 09:59:44 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: DONE processing command: com.apple.itdprep.command.runPostProcess
Jun 15 09:59:44 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: Releasing locks.
Jun 15 09:59:44 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: exitServerWithReason com.apple.itdbprep.notification.didEnd
[b]Jun 15 09:59:44 Kaushals-iPhone com.apple.SpringBoard[29] <Notice>: ERROR: *** Attempt to write to the database while writes were disabled ***
Jun 15 09:59:44 Kaushals-iPhone com.apple.SpringBoard[29] <Notice>: ERROR: *** Attempt to write to the database while writes were disabled ***
[/b]Jun 15 09:59:44 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: *** MLSSqliteVFS AllWrites ENABLED ***
Jun 15 09:59:44 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2748] <Warning>: exiting now.
Jun 15 09:59:44 Kaushals-iPhone iapd[1193] <Warning>: *** MLSSqliteVFS AllWrites ENABLED ***
Jun 15 09:59:45 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Notice>: MultitouchHID(1ed10d60) uilock state: 0 -> 1
Jun 15 09:59:52 Kaushals-iPhone com.apple.voiced[2751] <Notice>: _VSElvisConfigureForModel: error adding last entry (1) - continuing...
Jun 15 09:59:58 Kaushals-iPhone SCHelper[1188] <Notice>: active (but IDLE) sessions
Jun 15 09:59:58 Kaushals-iPhone SCHelper[1188] <Notice>:  0x1fd07bf0 {port = 0x1a2b, caller = SpringBoard(29):com.apple.preferences, path = /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/preferences.plist}
Jun 15 10:00:56 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Notice>: MultitouchHID(1ed10d60) uilock state: 1 -> 0
Jun 15 10:01:52 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: SB SYNC: iTunesSyncRequestedStart 0
Jun 15 10:01:52 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: SB SYNC: beginSyncing 1
Jun 15 10:01:52 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: SB SYNC: didShowSyncPanel 2
Jun 15 10:01:52 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: SB SYNC: _notifyAppsSyncWillBegin 2
Jun 15 10:01:52 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: *** MLSSqliteVFS AllWrites DISABLED ***
Jun 15 10:01:52 Kaushals-iPhone iapd[1193] <Warning>: *** MLSSqliteVFS AllWrites DISABLED ***
Jun 15 10:01:53 Kaushals-iPhone MobileMusicPlayer[2752] <Warning>: *** MLSSqliteVFS AllWrites DISABLED ***
Jun 15 10:01:56 Kaushals-iPhone voiced[2759] <Warning>: *** MLSSqliteVFS AllWrites DISABLED ***
Jun 15 10:01:58 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: MediaPlayer: Message springboardNowPlayingInfo timed out.
Jun 15 10:02:14 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: SB SYNC: iTunesSyncHasCompleted 2
Jun 15 10:02:14 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: SB SYNC: didEndSyncing 5
Jun 15 10:02:14 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: ITDBPrepServerPostProcessRun: [BEGIN] looking up itdbprepserver.
Jun 15 10:02:15 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: starting up.
Jun 15 10:02:15 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: acquired iTunes sync file lock.
Jun 15 10:02:15 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: acquired itdbprep file lock.
Jun 15 10:02:15 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: posting com.apple.itdbprep.notification.willBegin
Jun 15 10:02:15 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: ITDBPrepServerPostProcessRun: [-END-] looking up itdbprepserver.  success = 1
Jun 15 10:02:15 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: BEGIN processing command: com.apple.itdprep.command.runPostProcess
Jun 15 10:02:15 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: [BEGIN] ITDBPostProcessController...
Jun 15 10:02:15 Kaushals-iPhone com.apple.itdbprep.server[2760] <Notice>: warning: Could not compile statement SELECT value FROM _SqliteDatabaseProperties WHERE key = ?;: no such table: _SqliteDatabaseProperties
Jun 15 10:02:15 Kaushals-iPhone com.apple.itdbprep.server[2760] <Notice>: warning: Could not compile statement SELECT value FROM _SqliteDatabaseProperties WHERE key = ?;: no such table: _SqliteDatabaseProperties
Jun 15 10:02:15 Kaushals-iPhone com.apple.itdbprep.server[2760] <Notice>: warning: Could not compile statement SELECT value FROM _SqliteDatabaseProperties WHERE key = ?;: no such table: _SqliteDatabaseProperties
Jun 15 10:02:18 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: Sort collations changed, need to recompute
Jun 15 10:02:40 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: Running Misc Commands...
Jun 15 10:02:40 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: Running Create Triggers...
Jun 15 10:02:49 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: Initializing MusicLibrary...
Jun 15 10:02:49 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: *** STARTING: DB Backup (CREATE-NEW) ***
Jun 15 10:02:50 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: *** FINISHED: DB Backup (CREATE-NEW, time = 0.75s) ***
Jun 15 10:02:50 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: [-END-] ITDBPostProcessController.

Stats
totalTime=34.34s
updateSortMap=22.38
Jun 15 10:02:50 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: DONE processing command: com.apple.itdprep.command.runPostProcess
Jun 15 10:02:50 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: Releasing locks.
[b]Jun 15 10:02:50 Kaushals-iPhone com.apple.SpringBoard[29] <Notice>: ERROR: *** Attempt to write to the database while writes were disabled ***
Jun 15 10:02:50 Kaushals-iPhone com.apple.SpringBoard[29] <Notice>: ERROR: *** Attempt to write to the database while writes were disabled ***
[/b]Jun 15 10:02:50 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Warning>: *** MLSSqliteVFS AllWrites ENABLED ***
Jun 15 10:02:50 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: exitServerWithReason com.apple.itdbprep.notification.didEnd
Jun 15 10:02:50 Kaushals-iPhone itdbprepserver[2760] <Warning>: exiting now.
Jun 15 10:02:50 Kaushals-iPhone iapd[1193] <Warning>: *** MLSSqliteVFS AllWrites ENABLED ***
Jun 15 10:02:57 Kaushals-iPhone SCHelper[1188] <Notice>: active (but IDLE) sessions
Jun 15 10:02:57 Kaushals-iPhone SCHelper[1188] <Notice>:  0x1fd07bf0 {port = 0x1a2b, caller = SpringBoard(29):com.apple.preferences, path = /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/preferences.plist}
Jun 15 10:02:57 Kaushals-iPhone com.apple.voiced[2761] <Notice>: _VSElvisConfigureForModel: error adding last entry (1) - continuing...
Jun 15 10:03:14 Kaushals-iPhone SpringBoard[29] <Notice>: MultitouchHID(1ed10d60) uilock state: 0 -> 1
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-06-15 15:57:50
Hmm, I haven't repeated that problem.  Will post that log the next time it happens.
Well, in the meantime I'll work on adding support for sync suspending which will hopefully help.

For now, I keep on seeing the error log after every sync that the component cannot remove the files downloaded on-device.  So is wiping off all music from the phone using iTunes, and then resyncing using fb2k the only solution?
Ah. If it's during a sync then that would be a bug, I'll fix that for the next build. I would just ignore the messages for now (unless you really want to remove them; then just remove those files with iTunes).

But as I was playing around using your instructions.. I found interesting things in the log. I saw that 2 errors happen at every sync.  Are they anything major? Any way to avoid them from happening?
No, in that they happen when using iTunes as well. There is something else wrong in your log though; if you send me a copy of \iTunes_Control\iTunes\iTunesCDB and \iTunes_Control\iTunes\iTunes Library.itlp\Library.itdb (through file system explorer, if you want to e-mail there's an address on my site) I can hopefully fix it (should get shorter "Updating library..." wait in the music/iPod app).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jazzboyrules on 2011-06-15 16:22:37
I think the files contain the tags.  Here's the reason.  When I tried to remove those files which I downloaded on device, in the error log.. it gave a list of all those files which cannot be removed ( because they were downloaded on-device).  But it also listed the song titles, artist names to describe those files.  Now I have copied the same files from the playlist generated after 'load library' command.  But they get copied with null tags.
The metadata is in the database(s), but the component doesn't offer any way to transfer them to the file's tag(s). If anyone stripped the files of their tags, it would be Apple.

I figured out where the tags are stored!  But would be great if you can devise an automatic way to embed those tags in the music file.
From Shift + File -> iPod -> File System Explorer -> Purchases, I can see an "xyz.plist" file present for every "xyz.m4a". The plist is a Property List file in simple xml that stores information like who bought the song, that person's email address, date of purchase, tags like song name, album, artist, bitrate, etc.
Is it possible for you to embed the info from plist in ID3 tags when copying the m4a files from fb2k to my computer? Or add a special function to copy files with tags?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mrmooks on 2011-06-17 15:29:25
Hi there, having an issue with the component and my ipod nano 6th Gen, when i right click and attempt to send to ipod it goes through all the transffering steps and then the database states, when it gets to SQLite it hangs and gives me an error message:
Failed to add file to ipod - Conversion Failed - Failed to Start Encoder Process - The System Cannot Find the File Specified.

It seems to work ok if the files do not need to be converted, but sometimes i have also recieved this error even if the files dont need to be converted, very odd.  I have the latest versions of Ipod Manager and Ipod Calc.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mooee on 2011-06-17 19:50:47
Well, it seems like the audioscobbler component is getting the play data notification. Maybe use something like Microsoft Network Monitor and check what is being transmitted to last.fm. Also check the date and time on your device is set correctly.

yep, that was it, the date was wrong. it's working again. thanks!

p.s.: I've added this to your faq if you don't mind.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dwac on 2011-06-18 01:55:06
Alright, I have a problem that has almost certainly been mentioned before, but is quite hard for me to find:

Not all of my album art is being synchronized to my iPod.  I thought that this might be because I don't have a cover.jpg for every album folder, but that proved untrue when one of the albums with no cover had its embedded album artwork sent to the iPod.  Additionally, I've gone through my entire library (within the last week) and updated all the albums that didn't have album art with art.  What art gets sent seems sporadic at best.

Is there anyone who knows what's going on here?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-06-18 10:53:28
I figured out where the tags are stored!  But would be great if you can devise an automatic way to embed those tags in the music file.
From Shift + File -> iPod -> File System Explorer -> Purchases, I can see an "xyz.plist" file present for every "xyz.m4a". The plist is a Property List file in simple xml that stores information like who bought the song, that person's email address, date of purchase, tags like song name, album, artist, bitrate, etc.
Is it possible for you to embed the info from plist in ID3 tags when copying the m4a files from fb2k to my computer? Or add a special function to copy files with tags?
The function could be something like "Tag tag-less files using metadata from database". Do the files have no metadata that shows in their properties?

BTW those are the files I was referring to - at the moment I disabled merging of purchases into the main database (and let iTunes do it). In other words, iPod manager won't see them until you've run iTunes once. I could re-enable it but actually it might be useful if you sent me some of the property list files (so I could check if I am capturing all metadata). Also I got the other file, thanks.

Hi there, having an issue with the component and my ipod nano 6th Gen, when i right click and attempt to send to ipod it goes through all the transffering steps and then the database states, when it gets to SQLite it hangs and gives me an error message:
Failed to add file to ipod - Conversion Failed - Failed to Start Encoder Process - The System Cannot Find the File Specified.

It seems to work ok if the files do not need to be converted, but sometimes i have also recieved this error even if the files dont need to be converted, very odd.  I have the latest versions of Ipod Manager and Ipod Calc.
I think it's not that clear with recent changes, but you need do download the relevant CLI encoder - e.g. Nero (http://www.nero.com/eng/downloads-nerodigital-nero-aac-codec.php) - and put it on the path or direct iPod manager to it in its preferences.

yep, that was it, the date was wrong. it's working again. thanks!

p.s.: I've added this to your faq if you don't mind.
Ah, good and thanks.

Alright, I have a problem that has almost certainly been mentioned before, but is quite hard for me to find:

Not all of my album art is being synchronized to my iPod.  I thought that this might be because I don't have a cover.jpg for every album folder, but that proved untrue when one of the albums with no cover had its embedded album artwork sent to the iPod.  Additionally, I've gone through my entire library (within the last week) and updated all the albums that didn't have album art with art.  What art gets sent seems sporadic at best.

Is there anyone who knows what's going on here?
You can check which tracks have some kind of artwork transferred in 'Manage contents'. Also if you mean you added art to the originals of files which are currently on the iPod, you would have to use 'Load library' and then 'Update artwork' to update the device (and if the original files have moved it won't work).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dwac on 2011-06-18 22:31:06
Alright, I have a problem that has almost certainly been mentioned before, but is quite hard for me to find:

Not all of my album art is being synchronized to my iPod.  I thought that this might be because I don't have a cover.jpg for every album folder, but that proved untrue when one of the albums with no cover had its embedded album artwork sent to the iPod.  Additionally, I've gone through my entire library (within the last week) and updated all the albums that didn't have album art with art.  What art gets sent seems sporadic at best.

Is there anyone who knows what's going on here?
You can check which tracks have some kind of artwork transferred in 'Manage contents'. Also if you mean you added art to the originals of files which are currently on the iPod, you would have to use 'Load library' and then 'Update artwork' to update the device (and if the original files have moved it won't work).

I didn't add the artwork to the files on the iPod directly, just the ones that are on the computer and then let iPod manager do the work, and none of the computer-side files have changed place since I started using foobar.  When I hit Load Library, it doesn't give me the option of Updating Artwork, or at least I don't know where to find it.  Thanks for the speedy reply though!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: spiritsongtress on 2011-06-20 04:03:01
Foobar was working fine, just peachy when all of a sudden BAM it stops recognixing my Ipod touch (32 GB) with 4.3.3 IOS on it, a day or so ago anyone got a fix for this? I've Reset the Ipod ( (I even cleared my setting on Foobar200) and then nothing.. so anyone know how to get it to see the ipod?

I mean I got to Ipod ->Synchronize and get 'Ipod Not Found'.

Itunes sees it.. but not foobar and its 1.1.7 version of Foobar.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kode54 on 2011-06-20 04:34:29
Are you using the latest version of foo_dop?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobilia on 2011-06-25 03:45:15
Anyone tried foo_dop on iOS5 beta?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: spiritsongtress on 2011-06-27 01:18:24
Yes
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ryrynz on 2011-06-27 03:04:01
Any chance of getting foo_sendtodevice functionality added? Really want to be able to sync playlists in foobar to my android phone and have
high bitrate files converted automatically on sync.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tpijag on 2011-06-27 03:46:51
Not sure what you are asking. This component has nothing to do with android OS.

Foo_sendtodevice 'sync' capability is limited to a one time write to a tag noting that a file was sent to another other device. It does not manage changes made on either end and does not provide sync. The conversion on the fly capability can be mirrored with a simple saved preset within Foobar's converter.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-06-27 11:36:43
When I hit Load Library, it doesn't give me the option of Updating Artwork, or at least I don't know where to find it.
Hopefully you found it by now, but you select the files and right-click.

Anyone tried foo_dop on iOS5 beta?
Not sure, but perhaps you could?  At least I tried it with iTunes 10.5 beta and that didn't break anything.

Yes
Check:
1. Mobile device support is enabled in preferences.
2. Console says "Listening for mobile devices".
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2011-06-27 12:02:56
Anyone tried foo_dop on iOS5 beta?
Not sure, but perhaps you could?  At least I tried it with iTunes 10.5 beta and that didn't break anything.

I just installed iTunes 10.5 beta 2 (required for iOS 5 beta 2) and I get the following message when I run foobar2000:

Code: [Select]
Failed to locate function
AMDeviceNotificationGetThreadHandle


Any suggestions?

Edit: Download links to iTunes and activation of UDID ($10) for iOS 5 here (http://bit.ly/lz7NEx).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-06-27 12:27:26
OK, I tried beta 1 

It will need some changes on my side...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobilia on 2011-06-28 16:57:40
Yeah I ran into the problem above. I'm running iOS 5 beta 2 also, would be happy to help with any testing needed
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-06-28 19:57:23
I've put up 0.6.9.7 which at least fixes that. I haven't tested iOS 5; I haven't seen anything problematic though. Does the device automatically connect to iPod manager over Wi-Fi (with 0.6.9.7)?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2011-06-29 09:47:34
Does the device automatically connect to iPod manager over Wi-Fi (with 0.6.9.7)?

Are you talking about the new Wi-Fi Sync feature in iTunes? That feature is currently only available for Macs.

0.6.9.7 is able to see my iPhone 4 (iOS 5 beta 2), and send music to it. It doesn't seem to work right, but I suspect that it's not foo_dop's fault:

- When music is sent to iOS 5, the device no longer appear to Synchronize. This is most likely because synchronization is now done in the background, while the device can be used as normal. One thing I noticed with iTunes, is that a sync-icon sometimes appear in the top-status bar on the device - This did not appear when foo_dop was sending music to it.

- Music sent to the device cannot be seen by iPod-app, not even after rewrite database, or reboot - However, it is shown in the playlist and are playable when i "Load library".

- I also had trouble transferring music to the device using iTunes. It wouldn't synchronize when I drag/dropped files onto the device. The only way I could get music on it, was to load it into the iTunes library and sync my iPhone with the iTunes library.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-06-29 10:12:28
Hrm, I'll do some research.. Could you send me a backup of \iTunes_Control\iTunes as well? Thanks.

Are you talking about the new Wi-Fi Sync feature in iTunes? That feature is currently only available for Macs.
I saw those Air Traffic files and I thought that was related. Hmm..

[edit] Actually, I have a possible idea of what the problem is. Copies of the system log (Shift + File/iPod/System log viewer) for rewrite database and an iTunes sync would be useful.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2011-06-29 14:16:17
You've got mail!

Are you talking about the new Wi-Fi Sync feature in iTunes? That feature is currently only available for Macs.
I saw those Air Traffic files and I thought that was related.

Oh, it probably is, it's just not enabled in the Windows-version yet. It's an option that you will have to enable, see here (http://vimeo.com/25577886). So does that mean that foo_dop could be able to utilize this Wi-Fi sync?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: q-stankovic on 2011-06-29 19:16:08
Any chance of getting foo_sendtodevice functionality added? Really want to be able to sync playlists in foobar to my android phone ...
Not sure what you are asking. This component has nothing to do with android OS.
That is the reason why he is asking at all. He wants that the component has to do something with android os.

Ryrynz, here is musicmusics answer: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=748209 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=748209)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bryter on 2011-06-29 23:27:53
You've got mail!

Are you talking about the new Wi-Fi Sync feature in iTunes? That feature is currently only available for Macs.
I saw those Air Traffic files and I thought that was related.

Oh, it probably is, it's just not enabled in the Windows-version yet. It's an option that you will have to enable, see here (http://vimeo.com/25577886). So does that mean that foo_dop could be able to utilize this Wi-Fi sync?


Well there has been  program for few years now that does this with iTunes:
http://getwifisync.com/ (http://getwifisync.com/)

Apple actually stole the idea from these guys!
Exept iTunes, there are other programs (such as iFunbox) that work with this. Now if foobar could also achieve this, it would have been a dream come true!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2011-06-30 13:34:38
Well there has been  program for few years now that does this with iTunes:
http://getwifisync.com/ (http://getwifisync.com/)

So what? It requires jailbreak and are not free.

Apple didn't "steal" his program. They have probably been inspired by his idea, but if his program were so great, he could have patented his idea.

foo_dop is intended to work right out of the box and we're simply discussing how to make it sync on iOS 5 (beta). As always, Apple has changed a lot of things in the major firmware update, so foo_dop needs to be updated accordingly.

I have no idea how mm does this, but I have a deep respect for his knowledge and will to take on it!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bryter on 2011-06-30 23:20:24
Didn't know you were so sensitive about Apple products

Firstly, since more programs than iTunes can connect through Wifi Sync, i just thought maybe the developer of this plugin could take a look at it and see if maybe such functionality could by achieved in foobar as well (just a suggestion).
Secondly, have you used wifi sync before? It is almost completely similar (they have even copied the logo for gods sake!):
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/09/wi-fi-s...-by-apples-sim/ (http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/09/wi-fi-sync-developer-says-he-was-fairly-shocked-by-apples-sim/)

It seems Apple prefers to leave these developers work on these "unofficial" apps so they can just copy them when they find it necessary.
Bravo Steve!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-07-01 00:58:40
Oh, it probably is, it's just not enabled in the Windows-version yet. It's an option that you will have to enable, see here (http://vimeo.com/25577886). So does that mean that foo_dop could be able to utilize this Wi-Fi sync?
Maybe  Thanks for the video though, it was helpful.

Not sure what your point is, but that Wi-Fi sync is already supposed to work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-07-01 23:05:23
It looks like syncing mechanisms have drastically changed in iOS 5. Unfortunately, that means there is no support for now, at the moment I'm just trying to gain an understanding of how things now work..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2011-07-02 00:28:29
Yeah, that's what I feared. I noticed that syncing can be initiated from the device now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2011-07-02 16:25:12
Here's another funny thing: Besides foobar2000 being able to play tracks directly from my iOS 5 device, also my Alpine car stereo (with iPod connection) are able to see the tracks send from foobar2000.

To sum it up, the only thing that does not see the tracks send by foobar2000, is the iPod-app. Maybe it could just be a bug in iOS 5...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2011-07-14 18:45:13
I'm very glad to see that this wonderful plugin is still in active development. My ongoing thanks to the ongoing hard work of musicmusic.

Today, I have one question: does foo_dop handle nested conditionals in smart playlists like iTunes can? I used foo_dop exclusively until I found that iTunes could do this. However, updating the database in foo_dop corrupts any playlist with nested conditionals, so I came to assume that it doesn't handle these. Am I wrong? Do the latest versions work with them? I've searched as best I could but can't find any word on this feature anywhere. If foo_dop doesn't handle them, are there plans for this at some point?

Thank you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-07-14 21:19:37
Can you post a screenshot of the smart playlist rules as displayed in iTunes? Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2011-07-14 23:04:59
Can you post a screenshot of the smart playlist rules as displayed in iTunes? Thanks

Certainly, especially I'm not sure that my nomenclature is exactly correct. I'm essentially talking about this:

(http://jon-fu.net/misc/itunes-nested.png)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-07-16 23:00:01
Ah, thanks, I wonder when they added that..

I will fix the loss/corruption of the rules for now, but proper support will have to come later..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2011-07-16 23:06:46
Ah, thanks, I wonder when they added that..

I will fix the loss/corruption of the rules for now, but proper support will have to come later..

Thanks so much. Man, I should have mentioned this months ago! It never occurred to me that you didn't even know about it! :-)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: road_runner on 2011-07-18 09:07:53
Hi,I found a problem for 0.6.9.7.
0.6.9.7 is not transport Encoder padding for AAC only encoded by qtaacenc and Nero 1.5.4.0.
0.6.8.9 was no problem.


iPod model is nano 2G and firmware version is 1.1.3.

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Soviet Commissar on 2011-07-21 06:04:36
musicmusic, I just wanted to pop in again and say how thankful I am for all the work you put into your components, especially this one.  Over a year without iTunes thanks to you!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Killerah on 2011-07-24 17:32:53
I also wanted to pop in and add my thanks too. Your plugin is worlds better than iTunes. So thank you so much for making my iPhone music transferring experience make SO much more sense and work far better. I hate iTunes so much, I can't wait till your plugin supports iOS5, I can't thank you enough. Great job!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Atemu on 2011-07-30 18:55:52
Hello guys !

I've a huge problem with the artwork feature of iPod Manager. Each FLAC file that I convert in mp3 V0 for my iPod doesn't get the artwork :/ Could you help me please ?

Thanks in advance !
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2011-08-06 23:06:58
i got one too regarding artwork:

the artwork is showing in the music app (iPod touch), but not on the lockscreen... any ideas to fix this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kompot on 2011-08-07 08:36:24
but not on the lockscreen

reboot your iPod
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2011-08-07 11:01:51
but not on the lockscreen

reboot your iPod



well thank you sir
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rectangle on 2011-08-11 15:18:52
Since the latest update to Quicktime (7.7) a couple of days ago, I get a crash every time foobar is closed. Removing foo_dop fixes these crashes. I'm using foobar v1.1.7 and foo_dop 0.6.9.7 on Windows 7 Pro 64. I also confirmed this by doing a system restore to before the update and all worked fine again until the update was re-applied.

Code: [Select]
Illegal operation:
Code: C0000005h, flags: 00000000h, address: 73EF5573h
Access violation, operation: write, address: 73EF5573h

Call path not available.

Stack (10F1F870h):
10F1F850h:  00000000 FFFFFD34 000002E4 FFFFFD34
10F1F860h:  000002CC 00000019 00000000 00000000
10F1F870h:  00000000 06B33DC0 06B383B0 10F1F96C
10F1F880h:  76F0389E 00000000 76F0387A 00000000
10F1F890h:  06B38498 00000000 06B35968 0A5F4D78
10F1F8A0h:  0000F880 0A5F4BF0 00000037 06B35C38
10F1F8B0h:  FFFFFFFF 00000000 03EE0150 00000000
10F1F8C0h:  00000000 06B383B0 06B38498 00000000
10F1F8D0h:  00000000 000006E0 00000000 B4000073
10F1F8E0h:  00000044 00000000 00000000 00000003
10F1F8F0h:  00000000 00000080 00000034 00000000
10F1F900h:  B40000B4 00000044 00000000 06B3CA48
10F1F910h:  00000000 00000000 00000000 03EE2E48
10F1F920h:  00000000 03EE2E20 00000000 00000000
10F1F930h:  06B383B0 06B3CA48 00000000 00000044
10F1F940h:  00000000 01000000 00000000 00000220
10F1F950h:  01010000 10F1F88C 00000000 10F1F9DC
10F1F960h:  76F41ECD 0007DA2A FFFFFFFE 76F0387A
10F1F970h:  76F03472 00000000 06B383B0 06B383B0
10F1F980h:  03EE7E70 06B383B0 06B383A8 10F1F9A0

Registers:
EAX: FFFFFFFF, EBX: 00000000, ECX: 75636A41, EDX: 00002736
ESI: 000000DC, EDI: 00000037, EBP: 10F1F8FC, ESP: 10F1F870

Unable to identify crash location!

Loaded modules:
foobar2000                      loaded at 001F0000h - 003E2000h
ntdll                            loaded at 76ED0000h - 77050000h
kernel32                        loaded at 750C0000h - 751D0000h
KERNELBASE                      loaded at 75840000h - 75886000h
COMCTL32                        loaded at 703F0000h - 7058E000h
msvcrt                          loaded at 749E0000h - 74A8C000h
GDI32                            loaded at 74640000h - 746D0000h
USER32                          loaded at 75430000h - 75530000h
ADVAPI32                        loaded at 74760000h - 74800000h
sechost                          loaded at 74620000h - 74639000h
RPCRT4                          loaded at 74D20000h - 74E10000h
SspiCli                          loaded at 745C0000h - 74620000h
CRYPTBASE                        loaded at 745B0000h - 745BC000h
LPK                              loaded at 75890000h - 7589A000h
USP10                            loaded at 751D0000h - 7526D000h
SHLWAPI                          loaded at 765B0000h - 76607000h
DSOUND                          loaded at 6FDD0000h - 6FE42000h
ole32                            loaded at 74BA0000h - 74CFC000h
WINMM                            loaded at 73E20000h - 73E52000h
POWRPROF                        loaded at 73AB0000h - 73AD5000h
SETUPAPI                        loaded at 74830000h - 749CD000h
CFGMGR32                        loaded at 75810000h - 75837000h
OLEAUT32                        loaded at 74E10000h - 74E9F000h
DEVOBJ                          loaded at 74D00000h - 74D12000h
UxTheme                          loaded at 6F9D0000h - 6FA50000h
SHELL32                          loaded at 75910000h - 7655A000h
zlib1                            loaded at 5A4C0000h - 5A4D3000h
shared                          loaded at 72610000h - 7263B000h
imagehlp                        loaded at 74800000h - 7482A000h
dbghelp                          loaded at 6F230000h - 6F31B000h
COMDLG32                        loaded at 75670000h - 756EB000h
Secur32                          loaded at 70B20000h - 70B28000h
CRYPT32                          loaded at 756F0000h - 7580D000h
MSASN1                          loaded at 758A0000h - 758AC000h
gdiplus                          loaded at 6F820000h - 6F9B0000h
IMM32                            loaded at 75060000h - 750C0000h
MSCTF                            loaded at 75560000h - 7562C000h
CLBCatQ                          loaded at 74EA0000h - 74F23000h
MMDevApi                        loaded at 72460000h - 72499000h
PROPSYS                          loaded at 6F130000h - 6F225000h
dwmapi                          loaded at 6FF60000h - 6FF73000h
foo_dsp_vlevel                  loaded at 10000000h - 1002A000h
foo_dsp_soundtouch              loaded at 004F0000h - 00516000h
foo_dsp_std                      loaded at 6CEA0000h - 6CEE8000h
foo_musicbrainz                  loaded at 6CE40000h - 6CE9B000h
foo_ui_std                      loaded at 6CC50000h - 6CD68000h
MSIMG32                          loaded at 719A0000h - 719A5000h
foo_out_ks                      loaded at 00560000h - 0058A000h
foo_input_std                    loaded at 6CAE0000h - 6CC43000h
foo_queuecontents                loaded at 006E0000h - 00749000h
foo_facets                      loaded at 67B00000h - 67CAE000h
foo_dsp_delta                    loaded at 00760000h - 0077F000h
foo_audioscrobbler              loaded at 02000000h - 02033000h
foo_out_wasapi                  loaded at 020B0000h - 020D6000h
foo_softplaylists                loaded at 6CDD0000h - 6CE38000h
foo_dsp_xgeq                    loaded at 725E0000h - 7260F000h
foo_httpcontrol                  loaded at 6CA10000h - 6CA7D000h
WS2_32                          loaded at 75630000h - 75665000h
NSI                              loaded at 76EA0000h - 76EA6000h
WSOCK32                          loaded at 74000000h - 74007000h
MPR                              loaded at 715A0000h - 715B2000h
foo_unpack                      loaded at 70020000h - 7004E000h
foo_vis_shpeck                  loaded at 6BEE0000h - 6BF21000h
foo_discogs                      loaded at 6BCD0000h - 6BD31000h
WININET                          loaded at 74F30000h - 7504A000h
Normaliz                        loaded at 749D0000h - 749D3000h
iertutil                        loaded at 75270000h - 75428000h
urlmon                          loaded at 74A90000h - 74BA0000h
foo_albumlist                    loaded at 6A560000h - 6A5BD000h
foo_upnp                        loaded at 68820000h - 689C1000h
IPHLPAPI                        loaded at 73B50000h - 73B6C000h
WINNSI                          loaded at 73B40000h - 73B47000h
foo_fileops                      loaded at 6AC20000h - 6AC67000h
foo_dop                          loaded at 03B80000h - 03D53000h
QUARTZ                          loaded at 67880000h - 679F7000h
foo_playcount                    loaded at 6BC90000h - 6BCCE000h
foo_run                          loaded at 029D0000h - 02A2F000h
foo_talktome                    loaded at 6A440000h - 6A46A000h
foo_converter                    loaded at 68ED0000h - 68F4B000h
foo_dsp_centercut                loaded at 69DA0000h - 69DC4000h
foo_lastfm_radio                loaded at 02BF0000h - 02C38000h
foo_dsp_bs2b                    loaded at 02980000h - 029A7000h
foo_cdda                        loaded at 698C0000h - 6990E000h
foo_out_asio                    loaded at 02E90000h - 02EC6000h
foo_burninate                    loaded at 69D60000h - 69D9E000h
foo_runcmd                      loaded at 68E90000h - 68EC3000h
foo_rgscan                      loaded at 68D20000h - 68D6A000h
foo_dsp_hdcd                    loaded at 02F20000h - 02F4C000h
foo_skype                        loaded at 68CF0000h - 68D1F000h
foo_w7shell                      loaded at 03630000h - 0366D000h
foo_touchremote                  loaded at 67780000h - 67878000h
MSCOREE                          loaded at 73930000h - 7397A000h
MSVCR90                          loaded at 74190000h - 74233000h
MSVCP90                          loaded at 72530000h - 725BE000h
msvcm90                          loaded at 68CA0000h - 68CE3000h
mscoreei                        loaded at 738C0000h - 73926000h
mscorwks                        loaded at 73310000h - 738BB000h
MSVCR80                          loaded at 74060000h - 740FB000h
profapi                          loaded at 73FC0000h - 73FCB000h
mscorlib.ni                      loaded at 61020000h - 61B18000h
mscorjit                        loaded at 72E50000h - 72EAB000h
CRYPTSP                          loaded at 72A40000h - 72A56000h
rsaenh                          loaded at 72A00000h - 72A3B000h
foo_freedb2                      loaded at 68C10000h - 68C50000h
foo_dsp_continuator              loaded at 039A0000h - 039B8000h
MSVCP80                          loaded at 74100000h - 74187000h
TouchRemote.Interfaces          loaded at 72660000h - 72668000h
TouchRemote.Core                loaded at 68BE0000h - 68C0C000h
TouchRemote.Bonjour              loaded at 72650000h - 7265A000h
System.Core                      loaded at 68770000h - 68816000h
VERSION                          loaded at 73EA0000h - 73EA9000h
ntmarta                          loaded at 73BC0000h - 73BE1000h
WLDAP32                          loaded at 76560000h - 765A5000h
apphelp                          loaded at 6F7D0000h - 6F81C000h
shdocvw                          loaded at 6F700000h - 6F72E000h
LINKINFO                        loaded at 71CF0000h - 71CF9000h
ntshrui                          loaded at 71C80000h - 71CF0000h
srvcli                          loaded at 73AF0000h - 73B09000h
cscapi                          loaded at 70B50000h - 70B5B000h
slc                              loaded at 6FFF0000h - 6FFFA000h
System.ni                        loaded at 62DB0000h - 6354C000h
System.Drawing.ni                loaded at 675F0000h - 67778000h
mswsock                          loaded at 73B80000h - 73BBC000h
wshtcpip                        loaded at 73B70000h - 73B75000h
dhcpcsvc                        loaded at 73A80000h - 73A92000h
WINTRUST                        loaded at 75530000h - 7555D000h
sud                              loaded at 66D30000h - 66DEB000h
ADVPACK                          loaded at 68B80000h - 68BAE000h
DUI70                            loaded at 6E2C0000h - 6E372000h
WindowsCodecs                    loaded at 6E000000h - 6E0FB000h
explorerframe                    loaded at 6E3B0000h - 6E51F000h
DUser                            loaded at 6E380000h - 6E3AF000h
System.Configuration.ni          loaded at 66740000h - 66831000h
System.Xml.ni                    loaded at 62870000h - 62DA6000h
wship6                          loaded at 73AA0000h - 73AA6000h
RpcRtRemote                      loaded at 6FFE0000h - 6FFEE000h
dnssd                            loaded at 68D70000h - 68D85000h
ksuser                          loaded at 72420000h - 72424000h
DNSAPI                          loaded at 73A20000h - 73A64000h
mdnsNSP                          loaded at 73990000h - 739B1000h
rasadhlp                        loaded at 73980000h - 73986000h
fwpuclnt                        loaded at 71D90000h - 71DC8000h

Stack dump analysis:
Address: 76F0389Eh (ntdll+3389Eh), symbol: "RtlImageNtHeader" (+73Ah)
Address: 76F0387Ah (ntdll+3387Ah), symbol: "RtlImageNtHeader" (+716h)
Address: 76F41ECDh (ntdll+71ECDh), symbol: "WinSqmSetIfMaxDWORD" (+35h)
Address: 76F0387Ah (ntdll+3387Ah), symbol: "RtlImageNtHeader" (+716h)
Address: 76F03472h (ntdll+33472h), symbol: "RtlImageNtHeader" (+30Eh)
Address: 750D14DDh (kernel32+114DDh), symbol: "HeapFree" (+14h)
Address: 74064C39h (MSVCR80+4C39h), symbol: "free" (+CDh)
Address: 74064C58h (MSVCR80+4C58h), symbol: "free" (+ECh)
Address: 740F13D8h (MSVCR80+913D8h), symbol: "_badioinfo" (+40h)
Address: 74062C78h (MSVCR80+2C78h), symbol: "_set_flsgetvalue" (+Dh)
Address: 740629BBh (MSVCR80+29BBh), symbol: "endthreadex" (+3Bh)
Address: 74068CEDh (MSVCR80+8CEDh), symbol: "_dllonexit" (+9Dh)
Address: 74062A47h (MSVCR80+2A47h), symbol: "endthreadex" (+C7h)
Address: 750D339Ah (kernel32+1339Ah), symbol: "BaseThreadInitThunk" (+12h)
Address: 76F09ED2h (ntdll+39ED2h), symbol: "RtlInitializeExceptionChain" (+63h)
Address: 750F76F7h (kernel32+376F7h), symbol: "UnhandledExceptionFilter" (+0h)
Address: 750F76F7h (kernel32+376F7h), symbol: "UnhandledExceptionFilter" (+0h)
Address: 76F41ECDh (ntdll+71ECDh), symbol: "WinSqmSetIfMaxDWORD" (+35h)
Address: 76F09EA5h (ntdll+39EA5h), symbol: "RtlInitializeExceptionChain" (+36h)
Address: 740629E1h (MSVCR80+29E1h), symbol: "endthreadex" (+61h)
Address: 740629E1h (MSVCR80+29E1h), symbol: "endthreadex" (+61h)
Address: 001F0020h (foobar2000+20h)
Address: 00200021h (foobar2000+10021h)
Address: 00210023h (foobar2000+20023h)
Address: 00220025h (foobar2000+30025h)
Address: 00230027h (foobar2000+40027h)
Address: 00240029h (foobar2000+50029h)
Address: 0025002Bh (foobar2000+6002Bh)
Address: 0026002Dh (foobar2000+7002Dh)
Address: 0027002Fh (foobar2000+8002Fh)
Address: 00280031h (foobar2000+90031h)
Address: 00290033h (foobar2000+A0033h)
Address: 002A0035h (foobar2000+B0035h)
Address: 002B0037h (foobar2000+C0037h)
Address: 002C0039h (foobar2000+D0039h)
Address: 002D003Bh (foobar2000+E003Bh)
Address: 002E003Dh (foobar2000+F003Dh)
Address: 002F003Fh (foobar2000+10003Fh)
Address: 00300041h (foobar2000+110041h)
Address: 00310045h (foobar2000+120045h)
Address: 00320049h (foobar2000+130049h)
Address: 0033004Dh (foobar2000+14004Dh)
Address: 00340051h (foobar2000+150051h)
Address: 00350055h (foobar2000+160055h)
Address: 00360059h (foobar2000+170059h)
Address: 0037005Dh (foobar2000+18005Dh)
Address: 00380061h (foobar2000+190061h)
Address: 00390065h (foobar2000+1A0065h)
Address: 003A0069h (foobar2000+1B0069h)
Address: 003B006Dh (foobar2000+1C006Dh)
Address: 003C0071h (foobar2000+1D0071h)
Address: 003D0075h (foobar2000+1E0075h)
Address: 003E0079h (foobar2000+1F0079h)
Address: 004F00F9h (foo_dsp_soundtouch+F9h)
Address: 00500101h (foo_dsp_soundtouch+10101h), symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+C8C1h)
Address: 00510111h (foo_dsp_soundtouch+20111h), symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+1C8D1h)
Address: 00560161h (foo_out_ks+161h)
Address: 00570171h (foo_out_ks+10171h), symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+9D71h)
Address: 00580181h (foo_out_ks+20181h), symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+19D81h)
Address: 006E03C1h (foo_queuecontents+3C1h)
Address: 006F03E1h (foo_queuecontents+103E1h)
Address: 00700401h (foo_queuecontents+20401h)
Address: 00710441h (foo_queuecontents+30441h), symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+AAF1h)
Address: 00720481h (foo_queuecontents+40481h), symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+1AB31h)
Address: 007304C1h (foo_queuecontents+504C1h), symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+2AB71h)
Address: 00740501h (foo_queuecontents+60501h), symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+3ABB1h)
Address: 00760581h (foo_dsp_delta+581h)
Address: 007705C1h (foo_dsp_delta+105C1h), symbol: "foobar2000_get_interface" (+F3B1h)

Environment:
App: foobar2000 v1.1.7
OS: Windows 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 x64
CPU: AMD Athlon™ II X2 255 Processor, features: 3DNow!ex MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3
Audio: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio); Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio); Speakers (M-Audio Revolution 7.1); SPDIF Interface (M-Audio Revolution 7.1)
UI: Default User Interface 0.9.5

Components:
Core (2011-06-05 09:16:20 UTC)
    foobar2000 core 1.1.7
foo_albumlist.dll (2011-06-05 09:14:24 UTC)
    Album List 4.5
foo_audioscrobbler.dll (2010-06-03 23:27:04 UTC)
    Audioscrobbler 1.4.7
foo_burninate.dll (2011-02-28 06:19:52 UTC)
    Audio CD Writer 3.0.3
foo_cdda.dll (2011-06-05 09:14:20 UTC)
    CD Audio Decoder 3.0
foo_converter.dll (2011-06-05 09:13:50 UTC)
    Converter 1.5
foo_discogs.dll (2011-06-28 09:40:17 UTC)
    Discogs Tagger 1.29
foo_dop.dll (2011-08-11 14:00:32 UTC)
    iPod manager 0.6.9.7
foo_dsp_bs2b.dll (2009-06-08 01:30:06 UTC)
    bs2b 3.1.0
foo_dsp_centercut.dll (2011-02-12 04:09:53 UTC)
    Center Cut 1.0.1
foo_dsp_continuator.dll (2009-11-22 22:49:45 UTC)
    Continuator 0.6.1
foo_dsp_delta.dll (2008-10-24 04:57:16 UTC)
    Noise Sharpening DSP 1.0.0
foo_dsp_hdcd.dll (2010-07-18 23:09:36 UTC)
    HDCD decoder 1.3
foo_dsp_soundtouch.dll (2010-01-14 11:08:06 UTC)
    SoundTouch DSP 1.1
foo_dsp_std.dll (2011-06-05 09:14:22 UTC)
    Standard DSP Array 1.0
foo_dsp_vlevel.dll (2010-01-02 04:18:10 UTC)
    VLevel 20080302.0
foo_dsp_xgeq.dll (2011-07-06 22:55:14 UTC)
    Graphic Equalizer 0.1.2
foo_facets.dll (2011-07-10 02:53:42 UTC)
    Facets 1.0 beta 7
foo_fileops.dll (2011-06-05 09:13:12 UTC)
    File Operations 2.1.3
foo_freedb2.dll (2011-06-05 09:13:14 UTC)
    freedb Tagger 0.6.4
foo_httpcontrol.dll (2011-07-24 23:06:13 UTC)
    HTTP Control 0.97.11
foo_input_std.dll (2011-06-05 09:13:58 UTC)
    Standard Input Array 1.0
foo_lastfm_radio.dll (2011-02-12 06:26:21 UTC)
    Last.fm Radio 0.5.7e
foo_musicbrainz.dll (2011-06-13 01:40:43 UTC)
    MusicBrainz Tagger 0.3 beta 2
foo_out_asio.dll (2009-03-22 04:15:46 UTC)
    ASIO support 1.2.7
foo_out_ks.dll (2006-08-04 10:54:58 UTC)
    Kernel Streaming Output 1.2.2
foo_out_wasapi.dll (2009-05-19 11:45:18 UTC)
    WASAPI output support 2.1
foo_playcount.dll (2011-07-17 03:48:26 UTC)
    Playback Statistics 3.0.2
foo_queuecontents.dll (2011-06-13 01:40:43 UTC)
    Queue Contents Editor 0.4.3
foo_rgscan.dll (2011-06-05 09:13:54 UTC)
    ReplayGain Scanner 2.1.2
foo_run.dll (2009-06-07 04:15:18 UTC)
    Run services 0.3.7
foo_runcmd.dll (2010-01-07 08:32:34 UTC)
    Run Command 1.1
foo_skype.dll (2011-05-25 08:45:45 UTC)
    Skype playing notifications 0.2
foo_softplaylists.dll (2011-02-13 03:35:17 UTC)
    Soft Playlists 2011-02-05
foo_talktome.dll (2010-07-19 23:52:48 UTC)
    TalkToMe 0.6
foo_touchremote.dll (2011-03-15 16:36:44 UTC)
    TouchRemote DACP server for foobar2000 0.2.7.2
foo_ui_std.dll (2011-06-05 09:14:24 UTC)
    Default User Interface 0.9.5
foo_unpack.dll (2011-06-05 09:13:24 UTC)
    ZIP/GZIP/RAR Reader 1.6
foo_upnp.dll (2011-07-24 00:28:16 UTC)
    UPnP/DLNA Renderer, Server, Control Point 0.99.34
foo_vis_shpeck.dll (2009-09-28 09:32:16 UTC)
    Shpeck - Winamp vis plugins wrapper 0.3.7
foo_w7shell.dll (2010-01-16 17:09:20 UTC)
    Windows 7 integration 0.2.9.1

Recent events:
Skype playing notifications: Connection successful.
foo_upnp: created 48033 path registry entries in 0.587s
TouchRemote initialization finished
Opening track for playback: "E:\Stevie Wonder\Innervisions\03 Living for the City.flac"
Startup time : 0:04.290407
w7shell: taskbar button create notification got
Audioscrobbler: Handshake successful.
Opening track for playback: "E:\Stevie Wonder\Talking Book\09 Lookin' For Another Pure Love.flac"
foo_upnp: loaded Media Library tree in 6.208s
Shutting down...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fangus on 2011-08-12 15:52:39
Hey.

I'm running Windows 7 x64 with the latest version of f2k, foo_dop and iPod firmware, but no album artwork shows up on my iPod classic 160GB.

All of my artwork is embedded into the files, and "Add artwork to files sent to iPod" is checked, as is "Additionally use foobar2000 built-in artwork viewer" gapless scanning and dummy gapless data. The iPod driver is installed. Any suggestions as to why this is not working?

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fangus on 2011-08-12 20:20:57
Hey.

I'm running Windows 7 x64 with the latest version of f2k, foo_dop and iPod firmware, but no album artwork shows up on my iPod classic 160GB.

All of my artwork is embedded into the files, and "Add artwork to files sent to iPod" is checked, as is "Additionally use foobar2000 built-in artwork viewer" gapless scanning and dummy gapless data. The iPod driver is installed. Any suggestions as to why this is not working?

Thanks

Fixed it by re-adding all my music.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jack Schmaltz on 2011-08-12 23:45:50
hey,
i'm not sure if this has recently been mentioned (as a search bought up old threads) but there appears to be a problem again with importing Playback Statistics from the ipod into foobar.
i've only just noticed this & tried rolling back to 0.6.9.6 but to no avail, so i'm not 100% sure when it started.

using foobar2000 v1.1.7, foo_dop 0.6.9.7 & playcount 3.0.2

any suggestions whould be greatly appreciated
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: InspectorGadget on 2011-08-13 03:30:46
Since the latest update to Quicktime (7.7) a couple of days ago, I get a crash every time foobar is closed. Removing foo_dop fixes these crashes. I'm using foobar v1.1.7 and foo_dop 0.6.9.7 on Windows 7 Pro 64. I also confirmed this by doing a system restore to before the update and all worked fine again until the update was re-applied.

(snip)


I can confirm this on Win7 x64 SP1.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: rectangle on 2011-08-13 06:59:24
I can confirm this on Win7 x64 SP1.

Thank goodness! I was starting to think it was only me so I did a fresh install of foobar but the problem reoccurred.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2011-08-15 17:44:56
Same crash problems here with win7-64sp1 and latest itunes/quicktime
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: millsy on 2011-08-21 18:45:43
Sorry to be one of these people, but I'm having issues with running this awesome plugin.
It used to work fine, however for some reason I can't get it to work again.
System is 13" macbook pro 2010 model
OS is Windows Server 2008r2 (same as when I previously was using it)
Device is iPhone 4, running a jailbroken 4.3.3 iOS
Pre reqs are installed (iphonecalc and the two apple packages).
I just have no device showing in foobar ("no ipod found") My device is set to sync manually for music and I'm flat out stumped
Any help would be greatly appreciated thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Black Bear on 2011-08-23 00:29:14
I've run into a snag with the plugin. Every playlist I've made since I started using ipod manager exclusively gets deleted whenever I plug in my ipod. To test it I made a playlist on my ipod, then updated a preexisting playlist. The one I updated is still there, but the new one was gone. This happens with genius playlists too. I know I can make a new playlist in foobar through manage contents, but I don't plug in my ipod often and its frustrating to see my playlists constantly disappear. Is there anything I can do about this? I have a 4g touch.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: theprep on 2011-08-23 15:22:40
foo_dop plug in works great except some titles show "libgpod"

What is causing this error with the metadata? I have about 50 titles showing this, cannot seem to figure out which tracks it is. Tried in Music Bee, displays fine, and of course it does in iTunes.  I really want to leave iTunes far behind, after this iPod wears out, it's another brand of player.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ForkofDeath on 2011-08-31 14:12:59
First of all, i love the plugin, its great and worked perfectly for me the last months, but all of a sudden new Tracks get added without titles, but only tracknumbers as title tag...
I tried different versions, but all do the same...
not sure where the problem is, so i would appreciate every hint i can get

W7/iPod Classic 120GB
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tmxDS on 2011-09-05 05:13:29
I've been using the plugin for my iPod and it has worked wonderfully. I'm trying to do the same with my iPhone 4, but I'm not having as much luck.

When trying to sync music, I receive this error:

"DB Version 5 requires iPhoneCalc.dll. Write operations are disabled."

However, I have what I believe is the most up-to-date version of iPhoneCalc.dll in my components folder. I also have Apple Application Support and Apple Mobile Device Support.

Windows 7
foobar2000 v1.1.7
iOS 4.3.5 (8L1)

Please let me know if you need more information. Thank you for your help!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2011-09-05 20:07:02
I have it in my foobar2000 home folder, i'm not sure if it works in components
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tmxDS on 2011-09-05 21:14:44
I moved it to the home folder and syncing works perfectly. Thanks!

However, I have run into another problem, and this time I'm not sure if there's a simple fix. I use Audioscrobbler as well, and when archiving the tracks from my iPhone I ran into some issues with garbled text in the tags. However, it seems playing songs straight from fb2k does not result in incorrect tags.

I'm not sure if this is a problem with the iPod manager or Audioscrobbler. I can ask this question somewhere else if it isn't appropriate here.

Again, thanks for all your help!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Restrain This on 2011-09-08 20:42:58
So, I have all my album artwork saved in my album folder and named "folder.jpg". The foobar2000 album art viewer is able to pick everything up.

However, when I use foo_dop it only sends album art info for about half of my library. In the preferences I have the source script specified as "folder" and specify it to "additionally use foobar2000 built-in artwork reader".

Does anybody know what preferences I need to change to get it to pick up the album artwork.

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: pogi on 2011-09-09 22:28:36
Hello, I'm using foobar2000 v1.1.8 beta 6, audioscrobbler, and foo_dop.
When I Rewrite the database and submit tracks for scrobbling, if I have played a track multiple times on my ipod, it's only count for once. Is there any solution for this? Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: whoknowsit on 2011-09-22 15:22:13
Hi,

I have a question to your component. I am using a iPhone3GS and foobar 1.XXXX. I am synchronizing it and it works perfect, but I dont have any Covers on my iphone after synchronization. I marked the "save cover to file", but the problem is, i dont have the covers in folder, I already saved them to mp3tag with program "mp3tag". So the cover is already in file.


So what do i have to do, to get the covers to the iphone?


Thanks for you help!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: whoknowsit on 2011-09-22 18:48:34
Hey everyone,

I tried the synchronization "ipod manager" tool with foobar and it works really great. The only problem is, that I already have the covers of the albums (mp3) in tag. And now, after synchronizing with foobar no album covers are shown on the ipod.

In the ipod manager i can choose "copy cover to the tag", but they are already in the tag and I dont have then in a folder. So what can I do, to see the covers on the iPod too?


Thanks for your help!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: whoknowsit on 2011-09-22 19:44:28
Hey everyone,

I tried the synchronization "ipod manager" tool with foobar and it works really great. The only problem is, that I already have the covers of the albums (mp3) in tag. And now, after synchronizing with foobar no album covers are shown on the ipod.

In the ipod manager i can choose "copy cover to the tag", but they are already in the tag and I dont have then in a folder. So what can I do, to see the covers on the iPod too?


Thanks for your help!




So I have figured it out: Just click on "Write cover to Tag" and it will take the covers in tag!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: xScaryKidx on 2011-09-23 06:55:02
Hey!

I've got a iPhone 4 (4.3.3) and a iPod Classic 120GB. There's some music on my iPhone and now I want to change it. So I turn on Foobar2000 as usual, plug in my iPhone and then go to File -> iPod -> Load library. Then it tells me "No iPod found". I then try the same with my iPod, no issue with that one.

I've installed iphonecalc.dll, Mobile Device Support and Application Support, I also installed the whole iTunes package just to be on the safe side. No luck. On my other computer, where I added the music to my iPhone, it works just as it's supposed to and I did exactly the same thing on that one. So... I need some help over here.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr.DMX on 2011-09-23 23:30:01
I keep getting an error message saying "Failed to query SQL post process commands. Write operations are disabled." whenever I try to put anything on my ipod.
And I have no idea how to take stuff OFF of my ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hans Sachs on 2011-09-25 16:39:44
Hi,

New to this forum and would appreciate help. Installed Foobar 2000, foo_dop etc but foobar doesn't recognise iPod ('no iPod found'). Can't get past this.

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Andreasvb on 2011-09-25 16:43:46
And you've installed iTunes, or parts of it that's required?

http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#requirements (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#requirements)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hans Sachs on 2011-09-25 16:49:51
And you've installed iTunes, or parts of it that's required?

http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#requirements (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#requirements)


Thanks Andres - Yes iTunes installed but disabled automatic sync for my iPod as I want to use Foobar rather than iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Andreasvb on 2011-09-25 16:57:11
Which iPod do you have?

Does the Console in foobar2000 say anything?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hans Sachs on 2011-09-25 17:06:51
Which iPod do you have?

Does the Console in foobar2000 say anything?


Unit is an iPod touch 4. Not sure where the Foobar console is  - but unit is not recognised.

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Andreasvb on 2011-09-25 17:08:31
Quote
Help! My iPhone / iPod touch is not detected!

Make sure you enabled mobile devices support in preferences.
Make sure you have iTunes (or at least Apple Mobile Device Support and Quicktime) installed
If you receive a “Could not locate matching USB device for Apple Mobile Device” message, this can normally be fixed by uninstalling/reinstalling Apple Mobile Device Support. It can be uninstalled from the control panel. To reinstall, extract the installer from the iTunes installer using 7-Zip and run it.
If you receive a “Failed to pair device” message, this means that for some reason the component was not be able to pair the device with your OS/computer. If the device is locked with a passcode, you will need to unlock it and then restart foobar2000 to try again. If all else fails, you can try connecting the device to iTunes once on the same OS install. Alternatively, you may be able to copy the encryption keys, normally located in %allusersprofile%\Apple\Lockdown\ OR %appdata%\Apple Computer\Lockdown\, from another OS install.
Also check what messages are displayed in the foobar2000 console.

Tried all that?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hans Sachs on 2011-09-25 17:12:47
Quote
Help! My iPhone / iPod touch is not detected!

Make sure you enabled mobile devices support in preferences.
Make sure you have iTunes (or at least Apple Mobile Device Support and Quicktime) installed
If you receive a “Could not locate matching USB device for Apple Mobile Device” message, this can normally be fixed by uninstalling/reinstalling Apple Mobile Device Support. It can be uninstalled from the control panel. To reinstall, extract the installer from the iTunes installer using 7-Zip and run it.
If you receive a “Failed to pair device” message, this means that for some reason the component was not be able to pair the device with your OS/computer. If the device is locked with a passcode, you will need to unlock it and then restart foobar2000 to try again. If all else fails, you can try connecting the device to iTunes once on the same OS install. Alternatively, you may be able to copy the encryption keys, normally located in %allusersprofile%\Apple\Lockdown\ OR %appdata%\Apple Computer\Lockdown\, from another OS install.
Also check what messages are displayed in the foobar2000 console.

Tried all that?


1. Tunes is installed but not running as I read there may be clashes if Foobar is running as well.
2. No 'failed to pair device message.
3. Where is the foobar 2000 console to be found?


Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Andreasvb on 2011-09-25 17:19:31
Menu: View > Console.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hans Sachs on 2011-09-25 17:22:44
This says: iPod manager: Error intialising Mobile Device support: Failed to load iTunesMobileDevice.dll - The specified module could not be found.

Where can I find this missing element.

Thanks for your patience.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Andreasvb on 2011-09-25 17:26:47
Try follow the instructions on the link, install the iPod manager and read what to do.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hans Sachs on 2011-09-25 17:36:21
Downloaded and extracted foo_dop to the Foobar components folder. The download link also wants to download 92 mB of 'gnu_cash' - is this safe/necessary? Foobar still doesn't recongise the iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kareha on 2011-09-25 18:14:18
Have you made sure to tick "Enable mobile device support" in the foo_dop options?  This is needed for iPod Touch/iPhone's to work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hans Sachs on 2011-09-25 20:35:05
Have you made sure to tick "Enable mobile device support" in the foo_dop options?  This is needed for iPod Touch/iPhone's to work.


Yes done - still doesn't recognise iPod. Console still showing 'Error intialising Mobile Device support: Failed to load iTunesMobileDevice.dll - The specified module could not be found. ' Problem seems to be somehow with this.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Yønn on 2011-09-26 10:10:34
Is 'iTunesMobileDevice.dll' present in 'Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support' ?

I would try to reinstall 'Apple Mobile Device Support' and 'Apple Application Support' which are itunes components needed to use foo_dop.
To do that, you can either :
- extract this two installers from the Itunes installer (run the itunes installer, cancel and look for .msi files in temp directory) and run these 2 msi installers
- or reinstall the complete Itunes suite
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2011-09-27 20:43:43
0.6.9.6 and 0.6.9.7 foo_dop cause the safe mode dialog to come up on 1.1.8 every single time. Removing it solves the problem.

Code: [Select]
Core (2011-09-14 09:11:28 UTC)
    foobar2000 core 1.1.8
foo_albumlist.dll (2011-09-14 09:09:52 UTC)
    Album List 4.5
foo_audioscrobbler.dll (2011-03-10 22:03:36 UTC)
    Audioscrobbler 1.4.7
foo_cdda.dll (2011-09-14 09:09:40 UTC)
    CD Audio Decoder 3.0
foo_converter.dll (2011-09-14 09:09:32 UTC)
    Converter 1.5
foo_discogs.dll (2011-08-12 18:11:06 UTC)
    Discogs Tagger 1.30
foo_dop.dll (2011-09-27 19:36:43 UTC)
    iPod manager 0.6.9.7
foo_dsp_bs2b.dll (2011-07-28 20:39:22 UTC)
    bs2b 3.1.0
foo_dsp_delta.dll (2011-03-10 22:12:23 UTC)
    Noise Sharpening DSP 1.0.0
foo_dsp_effect.dll (2011-08-12 18:11:06 UTC)
    Effect DSP 0.9.2
foo_dsp_resampler.dll (2011-04-29 22:04:15 UTC)
    SoX Resampler 0.7.0
foo_dsp_std.dll (2011-09-14 09:10:12 UTC)
    Standard DSP Array 1.0
foo_dsp_xfeed.dll (2011-09-22 19:53:37 UTC)
    Crossfeed 0.1.3
foo_dsp_xgeq.dll (2011-09-20 22:52:51 UTC)
    Graphic Equalizer 0.2.0
foo_facets.dll (2011-08-23 17:01:59 UTC)
    Facets 1.0
foo_fileops.dll (2011-09-14 09:08:24 UTC)
    File Operations 2.1.3
foo_freedb2.dll (2011-09-14 09:08:22 UTC)
    freedb Tagger 0.6.4
foo_input_monkey.dll (2011-09-08 05:02:55 UTC)
    Monkey's Audio Decoder 2.1.5
foo_input_std.dll (2011-09-20 17:21:14 UTC)
    Standard Input Array 1.0
foo_musicbrainz.dll (2011-06-03 21:23:39 UTC)
    MusicBrainz Tagger 0.3 beta 2
foo_new_file_stamper_mod.dll (2011-08-23 18:44:10 UTC)
    New file stamper 1.0.0 [Dec 21 2008 - 01:05:11]
foo_out_asio.dll (2011-09-12 20:58:15 UTC)
    ASIO support 1.2.7
foo_out_ks.dll (2011-02-02 03:30:57 UTC)
    Kernel Streaming Output 1.2.2
foo_playcount.dll (2011-07-13 16:18:37 UTC)
    Playback Statistics 3.0.2
foo_podcatcher.dll (2011-07-25 18:30:20 UTC)
    Podcatcher 0.2.5 (beta, Mar 12 2011)
foo_queuecontents.dll (2011-09-13 19:09:30 UTC)
    Queue Contents Editor 0.4.5
foo_rgscan.dll (2011-09-14 09:09:32 UTC)
    ReplayGain Scanner 2.1.2
foo_run.dll (2011-08-23 18:39:26 UTC)
    Run services 0.3.7
foo_simplaylist.dll (2011-08-23 17:01:59 UTC)
    SimPlaylist 1.0
foo_simplaylist_manager.dll (2011-08-23 17:02:00 UTC)
    SimPlaylist Manager 1.0
foo_texttools.dll (2011-06-07 22:39:45 UTC)
    Text Tools 1.0.5
foo_ui_std.dll (2011-09-14 09:09:46 UTC)
    Default User Interface 0.9.5
foo_vst.dll (2011-05-25 16:30:29 UTC)
    VST 2.4 adapter 0.9.0.3
foo_wave_seekbar.dll (2011-09-26 16:18:07 UTC)
    Waveform seekbar 0.2.13.11
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sveetly on 2011-10-03 18:49:05
Hi,

I tried using tutorials and NeroAAC to encode my FLACs as they transfer to the iPod.  But even at 0.95 VBR quality, the voices sound distanced and the music echo-ey.  I like dBPowerAmp and get good results in it, but cannot find what to enter into the Parameters section of the iPod Manager plugin to use dBPowerAmp to encode instead.

Alternately, if anyone knows better working settings for NeroAAC than "-q 0.95 -lc -ignorelength -if - -of %d" that could work, too.

Thanks in advance!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: uncled1023 on 2011-10-05 23:22:49
I am having issues with the conversion using ffmpeg.  I am using the following parameters: "-i - -acodec alac %d"  They are converting fine, but after the sync is done, i go to my ipod and all the files i converted, they just show the filename, which is 4 characters long, as the title, and nothing for artist and such.  Its like it deletes all the tags and such.  Any idea on the right parameters to use for my files?  Im' converting from flac btw.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Scourge441 on 2011-10-07 20:42:14
I am trying to sync to an iPod Touch, but am getting the "DB Version 5 requires iPhoneCalc.dll. Write operations are disabled" error. Except, iPhoneCalc.dll is in my foobar components folder, so I don't know why this is giving me issues.

The iPod software is v.4.3.5. iTunes is 10.4.1.10, foobar is 1.1.1, if any of that matters.

Thank you for your help.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tolga7t on 2011-10-08 00:11:26
Scourge441;
Try and move the iphonecalc.dll to the main foobar2000 folder, not the components folder.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Scourge441 on 2011-10-08 01:32:01
Scourge441;
Try and move the iphonecalc.dll to the main foobar2000 folder, not the components folder.

That worked! Thank you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-10-09 22:18:28
0.6.9.6 and 0.6.9.7 foo_dop cause the safe mode dialog to come up on 1.1.8 every single time. Removing it solves the problem.
Hi,
Sorry I've been away a while and am catching up. Can you tell me what version of iTunes and Quicktime you have installed, and what version of Windows you are using? Also, does it happen if your iOS device isn't connected?

I am having issues with the conversion using ffmpeg.  I am using the following parameters: "-i - -acodec alac %d"  They are converting fine, but after the sync is done, i go to my ipod and all the files i converted, they just show the filename, which is 4 characters long, as the title, and nothing for artist and such.  Its like it deletes all the tags and such.  Any idea on the right parameters to use for my files?  Im' converting from flac btw.
You will also need the foobar2000 ALAC input component installed, so that iPod manager can tag the files.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: uncled1023 on 2011-10-10 02:59:15
0.6.9.6 and 0.6.9.7 foo_dop cause the safe mode dialog to come up on 1.1.8 every single time. Removing it solves the problem.
Hi,
Sorry I've been away a while and am catching up. Can you tell me what version of iTunes and Quicktime you have installed, and what version of Windows you are using? Also, does it happen if your iOS device isn't connected?

I am having issues with the conversion using ffmpeg.  I am using the following parameters: "-i - -acodec alac %d"  They are converting fine, but after the sync is done, i go to my ipod and all the files i converted, they just show the filename, which is 4 characters long, as the title, and nothing for artist and such.  Its like it deletes all the tags and such.  Any idea on the right parameters to use for my files?  Im' converting from flac btw.
You will also need the foobar2000 ALAC input component installed, so that iPod manager can tag the files.



Thanks!  That worked like a charm.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dr_Colossus on 2011-10-10 07:00:30
Hi,
Sorry I've been away a while and am catching up. Can you tell me what version of iTunes and Quicktime you have installed, and what version of Windows you are using? Also, does it happen if your iOS device isn't connected?


This is with Windows XP and the latest iTunes (double checked). It happens regardless of whether my iPod 3g is connected or not, but it only happens when mobile device support is turned on.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-10-11 21:20:33
Hmm... I can reproduce a crash with iTunes 10.5, but only when running under a debugger for some reason. It seems like Apple's issue, I haven't found a workaround/fix yet... (This could be a different problem to yours though..)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kareha on 2011-10-11 21:50:37
With iOS5 being released tomorrow, should I just stick with my current firmware (4.3.3) or will it be safe to upgrade and still be able to use your wonderful plugin.  If it makes any difference I'm using a 32GB iPod Touch 4G.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Brent on 2011-10-11 22:29:45
I have a question, which is maybe strange, but not so much considering there are not alternatives: Would it be possible to add the option so sync to nonipod devices? Seems like an option that is easily implemented, and would help me greatly.

Right now I havnt found a good was so sync the old android with foobar. I used to have an iPod and use this excellent plugin, and I just realized that, as media-apps on android usually ignore folderstructures and filename, this plugin creating its folder/file structure on my sd card would serve as an excellent android synchronization tool. The android will simply find any and all mp3's on the card and read its tags and thats that.

What do you think? It could erphaps be implemented by the plugin synching to any drive of my choosing, after a warning maybe?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: AtaqueEG on 2011-10-12 05:07:14
Hello, I love your plugin, it has been very useful.

However, the latest iTunes upgrade (10.5) seems to have broken it.

I get this error message popping up whe opening fb2k:

Failed to locate function
AMDeviceNotificationGetThreadHandle

I then hit "close" and fb2k works normally, except for your plugin.

Thank you so much.


Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2011-10-12 08:17:45
With iOS5 being released tomorrow, should I just stick with my current firmware (4.3.3) or will it be safe to upgrade and still be able to use your wonderful plugin.  If it makes any difference I'm using a 32GB iPod Touch 4G.
It isn't compatible with iOS 5 so better stick with iOS 4.

Hello, I love your plugin, it has been very useful.

However, the latest iTunes upgrade (10.5) seems to have broken it.
Version 0.6.9.7 will fix that. Let me know if you get a crash on exit though.

I might have to move all code that interfaces with the Apple libraries into a separate process..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: odyssey on 2011-10-12 20:51:15
It isn't compatible with iOS 5 so better stick with iOS 4.

Any plans to work on it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: McMusic on 2011-10-13 12:11:13
I can confirm problems with foo_dop an iOS 5. Yesterday I updated my iPhone and afterwards tried to sync some music via fb2k. I couldn't see the new music on the iPhone later. I then started iTunes and it showed some amount of data on the iPhone as "others", not as music. I started a sync in iTunes and it did something. Afterwards I could see the new music.
I tried that procedure a second time, but this time it didn't work out. The music din't even show up after I synced with iTunes.

One general thing I noticed: the album art is completely gone from all music, even if I synced album art via foo_dop as usual.

I hope, musicmusic is able to program an updated iOS 5 version of foo_dop. I cannot even think about changing back to iTunes...
foo_dop is the best add-on I have for fb2k!

@musicmusic: If I can help you (try out things) please let me know! 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Anomalous on 2011-10-13 12:14:58
I hope, musicmusic is able to program an updated iOS 5 version of foo_dop. I cannot even think about changing back to iTunes...
foo_dop is the best add-on I have for fb2k!
Very much seconding this.

For those who have upgraded, you may be happy to see this:
(http://i.imgur.com/f8FV7.jpg)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zzeitg on 2011-10-13 19:10:55
Same here, after update to iOS5 all album art gone.

I truly hope an update version of iPod manager will follow, the sooner the better.  (Having to send music to my iPhone via iTunes is a real nightmare.)

EDIT: Oh God! I've just tried to add the missing album art via iTunes and it's disaster. It simply does not work for the music files which are already in the iPhone.

EDIT 2: Forgot to mention that since iTunes update and install of 0.6.9.7 foobar crashes every time it's closed.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: cristhian on 2011-10-14 00:31:40
without foobar my ipod is dead...i hate itunes so much    please help!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2011-10-14 06:18:35
I'm sure he's either working on it now or will be working on it soon. This has to be one of the most popular foobar plugins. No need to repeatedly ask if he's working on it.

In the meantime, if you're stuck without music on your iPhone, http://www.audiogalaxy.com/ (http://www.audiogalaxy.com/) is awesome. You basically run a small program on your computer, and then you can access your entire music collection via 3G or WiFi. It'll also scrobble to Last.fm. They have a premium upgrade that allows you to download songs to the iPhone in case you're somewhere where you don't have internet access. It works really well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Atlantis on 2011-10-14 11:22:59
EDIT 2: Forgot to mention that since iTunes update and install of 0.6.9.7 foobar crashes every time it's closed.

Same here.
But iPod manager rocks, I hope musicmusic will improve compatibility with ios5 soon
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Airborne on 2011-10-14 20:03:41
Just wanted to add that there may be an additional problem inherent to the iPhone 4S that came out today, and not just iTunes.  Not sure, but I get this error message:

"Failed to locate function AMDeviceNotificationGetThreadHandle"

Equipment:
iPhone 4S, iOS 5.0
foobar2000 v0.9.6
iTunes v10.5.0.142
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tolga7t on 2011-10-15 03:18:17
Just wanted to add that I, too, just a couple of hours ago updated my iphone 4 to the new iOS5 and foobar gives me an error that says "Failed to locate function AMDeviceNotificationGetThreadHandle" using the latest stable version of foobar & foo_dop.

I don't mind switching to itunes for a moment, but I sure hope that won't last!

On the other hand, I'm sooo glad to see the new "Group by Album Artist" option!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: jnmaessen on 2011-10-15 10:37:09
I updated my iPhone and found it is no longer recognized by Foobar. 

Is there a possibility to make this work?

Thanks,
John
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tolga7t on 2011-10-15 17:36:40
Weird thing... Now when I try to synchronize iphone, foobar does so (copies songs to ipod from pc) but the songs are not visible in iphone. Whatever I put on the ipod, I see the "No Content" page in iphone's music
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: SantaSCSI on 2011-10-15 18:47:40
For some reason I am still having troubles getting the %albumartist% tag in the composers field. Apart from that: top notch! Luckily my iPod classic does not receive updates like that anymore .
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kareha on 2011-10-15 18:59:47
I updated my iPhone and found it is no longer recognized by Foobar. 

Is there a possibility to make this work?

Thanks,
John


Not unless you downgrade your phone to a version of iOS that the plugin is compatible with, and you can only do that if you have previously jailbroken your phone.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: quazi on 2011-10-16 02:43:14
It isn't compatible with iOS 5 so better stick with iOS 4.

Aw, man.. I was hoping you weren't going to be right.

Thanks for everything you've done so far, and I hope you can find out out to keep updating it -- I donated you my lunch money for tomorrow!

FWIW though, Wifi Sync in iTunes causes Foobar to kick up this error whenever my phone gets within range:
"Apple Mobile Device: error: AMDeviceStartSession returned E8000013"

Equipment:
iPhone 3GS - iOS 5.0
Foobar - v1.1.5
iPod Manager - 0.6.9.7
iTunes - v10.5.0.142


Until an upgrade rolls around, I've come up with a (somewhat tedious, but usable) workaround for getting my music from Foobar to iTunes:


Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lewaq on 2011-10-16 14:41:38
Hi,

I've got fresh reinstalled win7 computer, and I'd like to avoid installation of itunes . Anyone any ideas, which drivers I have to get (and where) to enable foobar with Ipod Manager plugins? Thanks!

//edit: forgot to mention that I have iPod nano 6th gen.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tolga7t on 2011-10-16 14:45:28
lewaq;
As far as I know, there are no special drivers that you need to make foobar & ipod Manager work. I have used both on several different computers, and never needed to install anything other than foobar and ipod manager themselves.

http://www.foobar2000.org/download (http://www.foobar2000.org/download)
http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_dop (http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_dop)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lewaq on 2011-10-16 15:22:49
Ok, after installing foo_dop (via dialog in foobar) and iPhoneCalc.dll in foobar program folder, I am getting
"Failed to query SQL post process commands. Write operations are disabled" error. Any hints?

//edit

Ok, so I googled a bit and I need "Apple Mobile Device Support" - bundled in iTunes. will try to find a way around it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Yønn on 2011-10-16 16:45:37
lewaq;
As far as I know, there are no special drivers that you need to make foobar & ipod Manager work. I have used both on several different computers, and never needed to install anything other than foobar and ipod manager themselves.

http://www.foobar2000.org/download (http://www.foobar2000.org/download)
http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_dop (http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_dop)


From my experience (under XP), you also need to install "Apple Mobile Device Support" and "Apple Application Support".
Am I wrong?

Ok, after installing foo_dop (via dialog in foobar) and iPhoneCalc.dll in foobar program folder, I am getting
"Failed to query SQL post process commands. Write operations are disabled" error. Any hints?

//edit

Ok, so I googled a bit and I need "Apple Mobile Device Support" - bundled in iTunes. will try to find a way around it.


To install only "Apple Mobile Device Support" and/or "Apple Application Support", you can extract this two installers from the Itunes installer:
- download and run the itunes installer
- cancel the installation process, as soon as you have a cancel button
- look for .msi files in your temp directory (recursively)
- run the msi installer(s)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: chileboy on 2011-10-16 18:04:35
I've been using iPod Manager for quite awhile without problems (iPod Video 5.5, 240GB mod), but I just added a custom tag to some of my files to aid with playlist management - specifically, I added a tag which I called "Single" and has a value of 0, 1 or 2.  I build playlists in fb2k by searching (for instance) on "%single% IS 1".

Everything works fine, except that these files will not display their embedded artwork on the iPod.  I see the artwork just fine otherwise.  I use dbpoweramp, and it shows the artwork (under right-click -> Properties), also it is visible in Mp3tag.  I also dual-boot my iPod with Rockbox, and the embedded artwork shows there as well.  Mp3tag shows the tags as "ID3v2.3 (ID3v 1 ID3v2.3)".

I have the problem with both mp3 and m4a files (the only formats on my iPod).

Is this a known issue when using custom tags?  I'm not really crazy about using them, but needed a simple way to tag the files for my purposes.

Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: whoknowsit on 2011-10-16 19:13:01
Weird thing... Now when I try to synchronize iphone, foobar does so (copies songs to ipod from pc) but the songs are not visible in iphone. Whatever I put on the ipod, I see the "No Content" page in iphone's music



Same Problem, iPhone3GS, Anyone has an idea to fix it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kareha on 2011-10-16 20:06:59
Weird thing... Now when I try to synchronize iphone, foobar does so (copies songs to ipod from pc) but the songs are not visible in iphone. Whatever I put on the ipod, I see the "No Content" page in iphone's music



Same Problem, iPhone3GS, Anyone has an idea to fix it?


Either downgrade to a compatible version of iOS or wait for an updated version of the plugin.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lewaq on 2011-10-16 21:48:12
Ok, after installing foo_dop (via dialog in foobar) and iPhoneCalc.dll in foobar program folder, I am getting
"Failed to query SQL post process commands. Write operations are disabled" error. Any hints?

//edit

Ok, so I googled a bit and I need "Apple Mobile Device Support" - bundled in iTunes. will try to find a way around it.


So, based on advice here and around, I:
- downloaded latest Itunes
- used 7zip to open the itunes .exe installer
- took out and run "AppleMobileDeviceSupport.msi"
- although I got error message that I cannot start the service with my privileges, setup went through.

Now it all works, and I do not have that big blob of apple bloatware called itunes on my machine.

Thank you all for your advice!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: SchmuhderSchmuhe on 2011-10-19 14:37:01
Hey there,

i found out about this useful plugin, installed the latest version and tryed to sincronize with my iphone 4.
But i cannot find the files on my iPhone after sending them via foobar. No error messages so far and when i browse the phone via foobar i can find the files.

Second problem with flac: How to convert on the fly? I set ipod manager up to convert unsupported formats, but when i try to send flac to my iphone i get an error.

sorry for my English and thx for the help!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: chileboy on 2011-10-19 15:47:42
I've been using iPod Manager for quite awhile without problems (iPod Video 5.5, 240GB mod), but I just added a custom tag to some of my files to aid with playlist management - specifically, I added a tag which I called "Single" and has a value of 0, 1 or 2.  I build playlists in fb2k by searching (for instance) on "%single% IS 1".

Everything works fine, except that these files will not display their embedded artwork on the iPod.  I see the artwork just fine otherwise.  I use dbpoweramp, and it shows the artwork (under right-click -> Properties), also it is visible in Mp3tag.  I also dual-boot my iPod with Rockbox, and the embedded artwork shows there as well.  Mp3tag shows the tags as "ID3v2.3 (ID3v 1 ID3v2.3)".

I have the problem with both mp3 and m4a files (the only formats on my iPod).

Is this a known issue when using custom tags?  I'm not really crazy about using them, but needed a simple way to tag the files for my purposes.

Thanks.

As an update to the above, I discovered that none of the files I am sending to the iPod are showing their artwork, even those for which I have not added custom tags, so that had nothing to do with the issue.

I found that if I Right-click a file in question -> iPod -> Update artwork, it will correctly display after that.  So it's fine now...but what has changed on my system is that I did an uninstall of fb2k and then reinstalled as a "Portable" installation - AFAIK, I reinstalled fb2k and iPod Manager with the same settings - is there any reason doing the reinstall would have broken my embedded artwork being written to the iPod database properly when I "Send" files?  I've never had to use the "Update artwork" command before.

Thanks.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kareha on 2011-10-19 17:56:25
Hey there,

i found out about this useful plugin, installed the latest version and tryed to sincronize with my iphone 4.
But i cannot find the files on my iPhone after sending them via foobar. No error messages so far and when i browse the phone via foobar i can find the files.


Have you upgraded your phone to iOS5?  If so then this will be the cause and atm the plugin is not compatible with iOS5 atm.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: SchmuhderSchmuhe on 2011-10-20 15:34:09
Hey there,

i found out about this useful plugin, installed the latest version and tryed to sincronize with my iphone 4.
But i cannot find the files on my iPhone after sending them via foobar. No error messages so far and when i browse the phone via foobar i can find the files.


Have you upgraded your phone to iOS5?  If so then this will be the cause and atm the plugin is not compatible with iOS5 atm.



Yeah I did - so now iam waiting for an upgrade.
Thank you!
But what up with converting the flac files on the fly to mp3?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2011-10-20 17:18:08
But what up with converting the flac files on the fly to mp3?
http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:conversion (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:conversion)

HTH.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: SojiOkita on 2011-10-20 20:08:45
Hi,

I just receieved my ipod nano and tested foo_dop.
It works great with mp3 files, but when I'm trying to convert FLAC files to mp3, the conversion is very fast (too fast to be honnest), I get a ""failed to add gapless data for file: error parsing file. file may be corrupt" at the end, and the file is not readable on the ipod.

Any idea what can be the cause?
I use LAME default encoder settings and made the "verify" test via the config menu.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: SojiOkita on 2011-10-22 15:11:50
Just adding some details...
I've got an iPod nano 6G with 1.2 firmware.
IPhoneCalc file is installed.
I use windows 7 64 bit.

I've got no problem when syncing mp3 files on the ipod.
And no problem when I convert FLAC to mp3 on my drive.
But sending files to ipod with on-the-fly conversion gives me the error stated above.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: spuuunit on 2011-10-22 21:58:33
Since my reinstall of Windows 7, I can't get this one to work... When I try to sync I get this error message: http://spunit.tk/x/scrn3.png (http://spunit.tk/x/scrn3.png).

Anyone who knows what I'm doing wrong?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2011-10-24 17:29:56
Anyone got foodop running w/ iOS5 yet? Not sure if it is the update or the fact that it reformatted my ipod touch and reconfigured everything?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tolga7t on 2011-10-25 01:24:33
Anyone got foodop running w/ iOS5 yet? Not sure if it is the update or the fact that it reformatted my ipod touch and reconfigured everything?


I think we're all waiting for the 0.6.9.7 update: http://yuo.be/ipod.php (http://yuo.be/ipod.php)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2011-10-25 13:32:55
Anyone got foodop running w/ iOS5 yet? Not sure if it is the update or the fact that it reformatted my ipod touch and reconfigured everything?


Any major iOS update is going to screw with 3rd party software like foo_dop, which is of course completely unsupported by Apple.
It's really advisable to steer clear up these updates until musicmusic works out how to make it work - which could potentially be ages if the syncing mechanism has changed as well as the database structure.

That experimental 0.6.9.7 update is downloadable, but I doubt it has anything to do with iOS5.
Check out MediaMonkey's site - they usually work hard on syncing with the new iOS/iTunes versions, and they haven't got syncing working with iOS5 yet.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2011-10-25 15:54:11
Yea frog, it was a moment of weakness that I clicked install on it - I'm not sure what I was thinking because there is nothing I really care about in the new version and now I'm stuck with it and without Fb2k. I just expected to see some others and was worried maybe it was just me.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2011-10-26 02:54:18
I'm sure he's either working on it now or will be working on it soon. This has to be one of the most popular foobar plugins. No need to repeatedly ask if he's working on it.

In the meantime, if you're stuck without music on your iPhone, http://www.audiogalaxy.com/ (http://www.audiogalaxy.com/) is awesome. You basically run a small program on your computer, and then you can access your entire music collection via 3G or WiFi. It'll also scrobble to Last.fm. They have a premium upgrade that allows you to download songs to the iPhone in case you're somewhere where you don't have internet access. It works really well.


Just quoting this for those of you running iOS 5. Who knows when foo_dop will be updated, but you can use this app to get access to all your music under iOS 5. iOS 5 is awesome and absolutely worth the upgrade over iOS 4.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: DigitalMan on 2011-10-26 06:27:08
Well...running Vista Pro with iTunes 10.5 installed and Foobar2000 v1.1.8 with foo_dop v 0.6.9.7, Foobar synchs with iPod Touch 4G with iOS5; songs show up on the Touch after ejecting/re-plugging the iPod in.  But no artwork...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NinjaN on 2011-10-26 18:36:00
Hey musicmusic,


first of all;
THANK YOU VERY MUCH for foo_dop!

I f***ing hate iTunes and with foobar and foo_dop I can manage my music so much better...


Just yesterday I received my shiny new iPhone 4S with iOS5 and now it seems I have to use iTunes if I want to put some music on it.
Is there anything I can do to help you develop foo_dop for iOS5 / iPhone 4S?
I have the following hardware to test on:

iPod touch 3G (iOS5)
iPod touch 4G (iOS 4.3.3, jailbroken)
iPhone 4S (iOS5)

If you need some test or anything else (besides the actual hardware) I'd be happy to help!


Cheers, NinjaN
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tolga7t on 2011-10-26 20:29:33
musicmusic,
I also am ready to participate in testing new versions or any other way that can help the development of foo_dop.

I've got an iPhone 4 with iOS 5
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Furion45086 on 2011-10-27 06:50:51
Hi musicmusic,

I've been trying to find the solution to my problem in this forum or elsewhere on the internet, but I couldn't find anything. My problem is that I would like the show notes of a podcast to show up on the ipod after the album art like it does if I use iTunes. I tried adding the show notes to the COMMENT field or making a SUBTITLE field but neither works. I am using version 0.6.9.7 of foo_dop, version 1.1.8 of foobar2000, and a 5th generation video ipod (30 GB).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: misterhh on 2011-10-27 11:44:26
Hi musicmusic,

I've been trying to find the solution to my problem in this forum or elsewhere on the internet, but I couldn't find anything. My problem is that I would like the show notes of a podcast to show up on the ipod after the album art like it does if I use iTunes. I tried adding the show notes to the COMMENT field or making a SUBTITLE field but neither works. I am using version 0.6.9.7 of foo_dop, version 1.1.8 of foobar2000, and a 5th generation video ipod (30 GB).

Putting them in the lyrics tag should work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Scourge441 on 2011-10-27 19:01:51
I'm getting the "Failed to locate function AMDeviceNotificationGetThreadHandle" notification when I open foobar, and it won't detect my iPod Touch.

I have NOT updated to iOS 5.0. Syncing was working fine until this notification popped up. iTunes version is 10.5.0.142.

Suggestions?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bubbleguuum on 2011-10-27 22:27:06
I'm getting the "Failed to locate function AMDeviceNotificationGetThreadHandle" notification when I open foobar, and it won't detect my iPod Touch.

I have NOT updated to iOS 5.0. Syncing was working fine until this notification popped up. iTunes version is 10.5.0.142.

Suggestions?


For now, install the previous version of itunes. For me fb2k often crashes on start just after this MessageBox is displayed
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Furion45086 on 2011-10-28 07:17:23
Hi musicmusic,

I've been trying to find the solution to my problem in this forum or elsewhere on the internet, but I couldn't find anything. My problem is that I would like the show notes of a podcast to show up on the ipod after the album art like it does if I use iTunes. I tried adding the show notes to the COMMENT field or making a SUBTITLE field but neither works. I am using version 0.6.9.7 of foo_dop, version 1.1.8 of foobar2000, and a 5th generation video ipod (30 GB).

Putting them in the lyrics tag should work.

I tried putting the show notes into the lyrics tag but it still didn't work. Do I need to do anything after I send the file to my ipod or change something in the preferences?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ainz on 2011-10-28 11:26:22
I also hastily upgraded to the latest (10.5) iTunes (Windows 7 x64), giving me the "Failed to locate function AMDeviceNotificationGetThreadHandle" error.

Removing iTunes (including the 3 additional "Apple ..." installed program entries) and installing 10.4.1 again (available from here (http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php)), as well as deleting the iTunes metadata folder under "My Music" has fixed everything and not resulted in any further problems.

And "check for updates automatically" has now been disabled in the iTunes preferences!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gob on 2011-10-29 03:56:18
Hi musicmusic,

I've been trying to find the solution to my problem in this forum or elsewhere on the internet, but I couldn't find anything. My problem is that I would like the show notes of a podcast to show up on the ipod after the album art like it does if I use iTunes. I tried adding the show notes to the COMMENT field or making a SUBTITLE field but neither works. I am using version 0.6.9.7 of foo_dop, version 1.1.8 of foobar2000, and a 5th generation video ipod (30 GB).

Putting them in the lyrics tag should work.

I tried putting the show notes into the lyrics tag but it still didn't work. Do I need to do anything after I send the file to my ipod or change something in the preferences?


On my iPhone: Settings, iPod, Lyrics & Podcast Info = On
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NinjaN on 2011-10-29 13:48:47
Hey there,


I don't mean to be rude at all but I have to ask this straight out:
Does anybody know if musicmusic is working on foo_dop for iOS5 at all?

He doesn't seem to have posted in the last few weeks, so I really don't know if he's working (better yet progressing) on foo_dop...


Anybody here care to enlighten me?
I'd hate to have to switch to iTunes!


Cheers, NinjaN
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zageron on 2011-10-30 21:04:53
foo_dop causes the "running" file in foobar to remain after foobar has been closed. This is really annoying! Please fix this error. I've just fixed the error on my own machine, it comes from the option in Mobile Devices tag.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: tytan on 2011-10-31 18:37:08
Ok, I've got bug to report:

Everytime I add songs using foo_dop, my ipod audiobook library is messed up (witch I added in iTunes since I can't add audiobooks properly in foo_dop...). Messed up = every book is broken into seperate files and these files are seperate books now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NinjaN on 2011-11-04 09:55:34
Again, I have to ask:
Is this component still maintained?

To me it seems like musicmusic has abandoned it. He didn't answer any question here and didn't post since Oct. 12...
I just want to know if waiting for foo_dop is worth it or if I have to switch to an alternative.

I don't want to sound too negative, I LOVE foo_dop. But at the moment I can't put music on my iPhone 4S.

musicmusic, if you read this:
I just want an answer, not even a ETA. Simply "Yes, I'm still developping foo_dop for iOS5, ready when it's done" (yes, you may go the "Duke Nukem forever" route, just not as long) is enough ;-P


NinjaN
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sixtyeightwhiskey on 2011-11-06 02:06:33
I also hastily upgraded to the latest (10.5) iTunes (Windows 7 x64), giving me the "Failed to locate function AMDeviceNotificationGetThreadHandle" error.

Removing iTunes (including the 3 additional "Apple ..." installed program entries) and installing 10.4.1 again (available from here (http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php)), as well as deleting the iTunes metadata folder under "My Music" has fixed everything and not resulted in any further problems.

And "check for updates automatically" has now been disabled in the iTunes preferences!


I tried this, it didn't work for me
A couple of days ago, my sister installed the new iTunes on my computer, and since then, I have been getting the "Failed to locate function AMDeviceNotificationGetThreadHandle" error.
I tried the following things:
-reinstalling the older 10.4.1 iTunes with your above instructions
-updating foobar
-updating foo_dop

None seem to work, still get the error. Can't access my iPod
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: meaghers on 2011-11-10 08:06:28
Just playing with this tonight, thought I'd share my experiences.

I have an iPhone 3GS and I updated to iOS 5.0 (9A334), which I regret. Should have stuck with 4.3.5, or whatever it was.

Anyways I was having that error that was mentioned previously, AMDeviceNotificationGetThreadHandle, and downloading the latest version of foo_dop and dropping it into the foobar/components folder worked for me.

I loaded the current contents of the phone in foobar, and removed them, since I so happened to want all new music on my phone. I then proceeded to put new music on. My phone still showed the old contents, which I had deleted. I restarted the phone and still the old contents were shown. It must be that Apple has changed something about the way they're storing or accessing the music database.

However, when I opened iTunes (10.5.0.142) and pressed "Sync", my phone seemed to rebuild the database and all my new music was there. I don't ever have any of the "options" checked in the iPhone summary page in iTunes, and I don't have any songs in my iTunes database.

So, to recap:

1. Removed all songs from phone in foobar
2. Added new music in foobar
3. Restarted phone
4. Started iTunes 10.5.0.142
5. Pressed "Sync" in iTunes
  - Options all unchecked:
      - don't open itunes when this iphone is connected
      - don't sync with this iphone over wifi
      - don't sync only checked songs and videos
      - etc...
  - My local iTunes library is empty

I'm not sure which of these steps are necessary as I haven't tried repeating this scenario. But, it worked for me!

Good luck.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NinjaN on 2011-11-10 12:11:37
I can confirm this as working.
Add music from within foobar, start iTunes, push "sync"...

Just tried this on my iPhone 4S and one "normal" album and one compilation. All the tags (and mappings in foo_dop) seem to be OK, just the covers are missing...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NinjaN on 2011-11-10 15:20:08
I can confirm this as working.
Add music from within foobar, start iTunes, push "sync"...

Just tried this on my iPhone 4S and one "normal" album and one compilation. All the tags (and mappings in foo_dop) seem to be OK, just the covers are missing...

Double Post since I can't edit...

Just tried this with 3,000+ songs (17,4 GiB)... Syncing unfortunately didn't help here... My music just stayed under "other"... ;-(
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vr4y on 2011-11-11 17:17:45
I can confirm this as working.
Add music from within foobar, start iTunes, push "sync"...

Just tried this on my iPhone 4S and one "normal" album and one compilation. All the tags (and mappings in foo_dop) seem to be OK, just the covers are missing...


man, it doesn,t work for me.
when i tried to send my music to my iphone 4 (iOS 5.0) , it showed  "DB Version 5 requires iPhoneCalc.dll. Write operations are disabled."
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bholio on 2011-11-12 02:54:19
I was able to successfully sync a few hundred songs to my iphone4s iOS5, not 5.0.1

I used the experimental version (0.6.9.7). 

After foodop sent to iphone, I had to start itunes which showed the songs as being 'other'.  I then went to my iphone-->music and my songs showed up on the list in itunes.  From there, selected one of the songs and played it.  Playing the song seemed to repair everything.  The songs suddenly showed up under music on the iphone, and next time I connected to itunes, the music showed up as music and not other.

Just to be clear, from itunes, I went to my iphone/music, then told itunes to play the song FROM my phone on the computer.  Playing the song seems to have caused something to be fixed. 

No album art.  I'll live. 

I already had phonecalc library from the foodop download page installed. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vr4y on 2011-11-13 06:39:09
i tried it ,sometimes it work, sometimes it doesnt. mp3 files always work. but aac file sometimes doesnt work.
it can't show album cover. even the acc file bought from apple music store that already have cover ..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bholio on 2011-11-13 14:29:53
My music is stored as flac, so the copy to ipod does a conversion to mp3 first, which is why I like foobar/foodop.  Its so easy to do all of that in one click.  Takes awhile, due to the conversion process, but very little of my time.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vr4y on 2011-11-13 18:54:27
If you already have many songs in your iphone.
you dont have to delete them. here is my solution.

[1] open itunes , go to iphone summary page, scroll down, check the box that 'Manually manage music and video', then CLOSE itunes.

[2] open foobar, send music to iphone. then CLOSE foobar.

[3] open itunes again, go to iphone music , press "autofill" button.

check your iphone now, your songs are there...

the only problem: it doesn't support album cover.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ghostdivision on 2011-11-16 05:47:46
This is frustrating one of the reasons i decided to keep my iphone was due to me not needing to use itunes and foobar was easily integrated. Now its getting more of a hassle. I hope it can go back to normal but apparently the developer has said nothing.

I would love to donate if it means he could possibly get art and everything working well again.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: PilsnerUrquell on 2011-11-17 23:11:34
foodop has always worked fine for me until recently. I started getting the "..DeviceGetThreadHandle" error and the occasional crash.

updated foodop to 0.6.9.6 and foobar crashed on loading.
updated foodop to 0.6.9.7 and foobar no longer crashes or gives the previous error message. Instead it reported "No Device found". I tried to Load Library once again and it worked, no idea why.

As to why it started not working in the first place, well the only thing that had changed was iTunes updating itself. I've never updated foodop until today, and I've never updated my iOS either.

Maybe that helps someone? I even found some orphaned tracks hiding in there!

Windows 7
iPhone 3G v3.1.2
iTunes v10.5.0.142
foobar v1.1.1
foodop v0.6.9.7
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Redoubts on 2011-11-18 03:38:58
I was able to successfully sync a few hundred songs to my iphone4s iOS5, not 5.0.1
.  .  .

Worked for me with 5.0.1
Thanks!

(Its also worth noting that there was a rather long pause between pressing play in iTunes, and the song actually reaching my speakers. Give it a moment before giving up.)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gorman on 2011-11-18 15:22:24
I think the latest mess up caused by IOS5 will be the last push I needed to move to Android. I'm sick and tired of playing games with Apple to use the hardware I payed for the way I want to.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2011-11-18 18:50:40
I think the latest mess up caused by IOS5 will be the last push I needed to move to Android. I'm sick and tired of playing games with Apple to use the hardware I payed for the way I want to.

I have no idea, (reason for asking) but what's Android going to do for you?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Ghostdivision on 2011-11-22 14:59:59
Wont android allow me to use foobar directly without itunes, use album art, and not rely on a plugin breaking when apple changes things?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: metalboy on 2011-11-22 16:49:46


Have no idea this component is for iPod/iPhone doubt it will help.

Quite off-topic, but I wondered how Android was better.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Pri3st on 2011-11-22 17:17:43
With android you can just copy-paste the files or choose as destination folder the phone for the converted files. So simple
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sonvolt on 2011-11-22 20:45:08
You can also control your playing via the  Foobar2000Controller  app ,  Free with ads or  paid ad free...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bryter on 2011-12-01 14:55:38
I am having some problems with sending/removing items to/from my iPhone 3gs iOS 4.3.3.
When i try to remove some songs or albums, i get this error:
http://i.imgur.com/0QX6S.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/0QX6S.jpg)

After this error, i am not able to send anything to my iPhone cause i get this other error:
http://i.imgur.com/R5apm.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/R5apm.jpg)


I am able to send music after i disconnect then connect the phone, but i am not able to remove items at all. I have tried removing foo_dop (0.6.9.7), cleaning all related foo_dop items from the pc, but the same problem remains.

I have never had this problem and i have no idea what is causing it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Hengest on 2011-12-02 03:06:43
Ok just to add to the list of ways to use this component with iOS 5.0.1...

After using foo dop to send the music over, open up iTunes and press the 'Sync' button for the device (first make sure that iTunes isn't set to overwrite things that you don't want overwritten -- e.g. music). iTunes will then do its voodoo magic thing to get the songs to start showing-up on the iDevice.

Note: this didn't require playing a song through iTunes first or anything like that. Though you may need to close foobar2000 before opening iTunes, but I haven't tested that part yet. Also, as with the other solutions, artwork won't work...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Carlos-2011 on 2011-12-04 13:03:10
Foobar in conjunction with iPod nano 6G does not seem to work.

Using: Windows 7
foobar2000 v.1.1.10
foo_dop 0.6.9.6
iPod nano 6G

Basically it appears that I could not properbly install the appropriate iPhoneCalc.dll version. The error message I get is: "DB Version 5 requires iPhoneCalc.dll. Write operations are disabled." Can anyone advise me first where I get the appropriate version from and secondly how I can install it ?

Thanks in advance,
Carlos
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: somy on 2011-12-04 15:05:45
Hi,

Has anyone experienced the problem "foobar2000 was terminated abnormally last time"?
It seems that after upgrading to foo_dop version 0.6.9.7, foobar2000 fails to remove the file "running" from %appdata/foobar2000% folder when exiting, which gives a warning next time when it is started:
(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/1272/errorfy.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/831/errorfy.png/)
Is there any solution to this problem? Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gruniorowa on 2011-12-05 18:00:33
I have problem scrobbling from my iPod.
When I listen music on foobar, it scrobbles without any problems.
However, when I try to scrobble what I listened on iPod I get this:

Quote
USB\VID_05AC&PID_1266&MI_00\000A27002214536F&AAPL0
Audioscrobbler: Importing played tracks from iPod (edi)
Audioscrobbler: Finished importing 17 tracks.
Audioscrobbler: Handshake successful.
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: rental_expired
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: compilation_count_calc
iPod manager: Generate SQLite database completed in 0.6070875 s
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: rental_expired
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: compilation_count_calc
iPod manager: Generate SQLite database completed in 0.4687624 s
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: rental_expired
iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: compilation_count_calc
iPod manager: Generate SQLite database completed in 0.5608260 s
Audioscrobbler: Submitting 10 of 17 cached tracks...
Audioscrobbler: Submission succeeded.
Audioscrobbler: Submitting 7 cached tracks...
Audioscrobbler: Submission succeeded.


I use iPod 6G nano with firmware 1.2, foobar 1.1.10, foo_audioscrobbler 1.4.7 and foo_dop 0.6.9.6

I got problems scrobbling ipod 5g stuff (it's Vista, foobar 1.0, latest audioscrobbler and dop plugins - updated yesterday to ensure it's recent).
The problem is I am not seeing any plays scrobbled nor even sent to last.fm.
Before you sync, check if the "Play Counts" file is present at \iPod_Control\iTunes on the device. It should be removed after syncing.


This problem is somewhat similar to Borszczuk's. I checked: my "Play Counts" file is not removed after syncing
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2011-12-05 21:33:13
I'm getting a crash at foobar close when using iPod manger 0.6.9.7 and FB 1.1.10.

It only seems to happen when I have enabled mobile device support in the preferences and i close Foobar while a song is still playing.

(http://s12.postimage.org/pjfcxff3t/FBi_Pod.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/pjfcxff3t/)

Code: [Select]
Problem signature:
  Problem Event Name: BEX
  Application Name: foobar2000.exe
  Application Version: 1.1.10.0
  Application Timestamp: 4ed8e9b8
  Fault Module Name: MSVCR80.dll_unloaded
  Fault Module Version: 0.0.0.0
  Fault Module Timestamp: 4dcddbf3
  Exception Offset: 749e8ced
  Exception Code: c0000005
  Exception Data: 00000008
  OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
  Locale ID: 5129
  Additional Information 1: 3f75
  Additional Information 2: 3f75bb4e531e9431ce48e18d64698afb
  Additional Information 3: 3f75
  Additional Information 4: 3f75bb4e531e9431ce48e18d64698afb

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Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BiggusDikkus on 2011-12-09 04:07:42
Ok so I am having a slight issue here. I have quite a few flac files on my computer, and I want to make a seamless conversion to my itouch with 320kbps and not use the AAC encoder that I currently use (it's 128kbps). The encoder (the only one that works for me right now) that I use at the moment is at 128kbps, I want to be able to use another encoder like lame for a 320kbps CBR. I tried using lame itself, and for whatever reason it didn't take. I don't know if there is a specific way you have to set it up, but does anyone know? I really can't stand 128kbps quality.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2011-12-09 06:09:22
1. Download lame from HERE (http://www.rarewares.org/mp3-lame-bundle.php#lame-current). Unzip and copy lame.exe in to your foobar directory.

2. Open foobar, preferences, Tools > iPod Manager, Conversion tab. (if you can't see this, update your plugin from HERE (http://yuo.be/ipod.php).)

3. Click open Encoder Manager. Click New, Call it MP3 (LAME CBR 320).

4. Make sure MP3 (LAME CBR 320) is still selected. click Browse and find and select the Lame.exe you unzipped in step 1.

5. Copy the below code in to the Parameters box
Code: [Select]
-S --noreplaygain --preset insane - %d

6. File extension is mp3 and click close

7. Click the Verify encoder settings, which should say "Testing concluded successfully."

8. Thank musicmusic for the great plugin
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vr4y on 2011-12-10 19:21:03
update to be compatible with ios 5 ........ please..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2011-12-11 05:00:49
update to be compatible with ios 5 ........ please..


Noone can do this yet. With the last major iOS change, musicmusic was only able to support it properly after MediaMonkey supported it. The iPhoneCalc.dll file that you need to make it work properly is part of MediaMonkey.
Here's MediaMonkey's support page (http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=61107) on iOS5. Keep an eye on that rather than this thread - musicmusic is nowhere to be found but there's no doubt that there's no news anyway. Once MediaMonkey has iOS5 working, then it'll be worth asking.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bulletproof2k on 2011-12-14 11:13:56
Thank you! for this component is a guy works perfectly whether it is possible skrobling listened tracks to last.fm library?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: emte on 2011-12-14 21:55:40
I can't send aa and aax (Audible) to iPod Classic. It says they're not supported by the iPod, but they are as a matter of fact - on Apple's website. What's wrong?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bulletproof2k on 2011-12-16 10:31:43
I can't send aa and aax (Audible) to iPod Classic. It says they're not supported by the iPod, but they are as a matter of fact - on Apple's website. What's wrong?

You need a component iPhoneCalc.dll (http://www.mediafire.com/?bnuuvwsmi2mvj20) that must be placed manually into the folder "Components" and restart foobar and don't forget use "Enable" in Preferances
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: emte on 2011-12-16 11:00:03
It's still not working.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bulletproof2k on 2011-12-16 14:28:53
It's still not working.

You can convert this files in AAC and ALAC see settings:
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5823/52957509.cb/0_734f9_780c1379_XL.jpg)
are you sure you did it?
(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5822/52957509.cb/0_734fc_c2ef5df2_XL.jpg)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: emte on 2011-12-16 15:17:02
Firstly, I don't want to convert it to aac or mp3 because it's already lossy. What's more, foobar can't decode these files so how could it encode them to aac or mp3. I want to have it transferred to the device to the right place as it is.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bulletproof2k on 2011-12-16 16:14:59
Firstly, I don't want to convert it to aac or mp3 because it's already lossy. What's more, foobar can't decode these files so how could it encode them to aac or mp3. I want to have it transferred to the device to the right place as it is.

iPhone Folders (http://www.iphonefolders.ru/ru/) or no.

I can't send aa and aax (Audible) to iPod Classic. It says they're not supported by the iPod, but they are as a matter of fact - on Apple's website. What's wrong?

Among the many music formats iPhone understands only the following:

•  AC (16 to 320 Kbps)
•  AIFF
•  AAC Protected (from iTunes Music Store)
•  MP3 (16 to 320 Kbps)
•  MP3 VBR
•  Audible (format 2,3,4)
•  Apple Lossless
•  WAV

Your formats:

??, aax - Audible Enhanced Audiobook File, You can send only iPhone, iPod using iTunes only!!!

iPod manager does not support these formats, but the version of the component test, possibly by its developers and solve your problem after a while)))
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: cowbell40 on 2011-12-17 16:38:46
I also hastily upgraded to the latest (10.5) iTunes (Windows 7 x64), giving me the "Failed to locate function AMDeviceNotificationGetThreadHandle" error.

Removing iTunes (including the 3 additional "Apple ..." installed program entries) and installing 10.4.1 again (available from here (http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php)), as well as deleting the iTunes metadata folder under "My Music" has fixed everything and not resulted in any further problems.

And "check for updates automatically" has now been disabled in the iTunes preferences!


I tried this, it didn't work for me
A couple of days ago, my sister installed the new iTunes on my computer, and since then, I have been getting the "Failed to locate function AMDeviceNotificationGetThreadHandle" error.
I tried the following things:
-reinstalling the older 10.4.1 iTunes with your above instructions
-updating foobar
-updating foo_dop

None seem to work, still get the error. Can't access my iPod


Try uninstalling ALL components of iTunes including:
-iTunes
-QuickTime
-Apple Software Update
-Apple Mobile Device Support
-Bonjour
-Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)

Then reinstalling iTunes 10.4.1. For me, simply installing an earlier version of iTunes (I also went with 10.4.1) didn't do the trick on its own, rather, I had to reinstall all these other components as well before foo_dop would recognize my iPod Touch.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bulletproof2k on 2011-12-17 17:40:32
  How this will solve his problem?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: emte on 2011-12-17 19:26:15
Yeah, it seems foo_dop doesn't support them, although the support would be very welcome as I don't want to use that sh*tty iTunes.

Cheers.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ainz on 2011-12-19 02:06:37
  How this will solve his problem?


cowbell40 is re-iterating that it's necessary to remove several other Apple components that install with iTunes before installing the older version to rollback to a working state (as I stated in my original post).

- Apple Software Update
- Apple Mobile Device Support
- Apple Application Support (iTunes 9 or later)

These components are also involved in managing the USB connection to the device.
I don't believe QuickTime & Bonjour matter, but removing them too shouldn't do any harm.

It sounded like sixtyeightwhiskey did not remove everything first.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: spuuunit on 2011-12-19 11:39:13
Do you think it would it be possible to sync to a phone instead (Xperia Ray I had in mind)?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: csthopper on 2011-12-22 14:42:23
I was able to successfully sync a few hundred songs to my iphone4s iOS5, not 5.0.1

I used the experimental version (0.6.9.7). 

After foodop sent to iphone, I had to start itunes which showed the songs as being 'other'.  I then went to my iphone-->music and my songs showed up on the list in itunes.  From there, selected one of the songs and played it.  Playing the song seemed to repair everything.  The songs suddenly showed up under music on the iphone, and next time I connected to itunes, the music showed up as music and not other.

Just to be clear, from itunes, I went to my iphone/music, then told itunes to play the song FROM my phone on the computer.  Playing the song seems to have caused something to be fixed. 

No album art.  I'll live. 

I already had phonecalc library from the foodop download page installed.


This worked for me as well on my iPhone 3gs with OS5. Only thing to to add is when you play the song off your iphone, you will see the status at the top of iTunes stating "Updating files". Once I see that message, then I know I'm good to go. I don't bother with cover art, so I can't speak for that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: blushades on 2011-12-30 13:53:49
Finally got this working again (with my iPhone 4)! For those who are still having trouble (like how I had been), here are the instructions on how I got my setup working...

1. Download iTunes64Setup.exe (iTunesSetup.exe for 32-bit users)
2a. Extract AppleApplicationSupport.msi and AppleMobileDeviceSupport64.msi from iTunesSetup.exe using WinRAR (or alternatives)
2b. Install the two extracted files
3a. Download iPod manager 0.6.9.7 Experimental and iPhoneCalc library 2
3b. Extract iPod manager 0.6.9.7 to %programfiles(x86)%\foobar2000\components (%programfiles% for 32-bit users)
3c. Extract iPhoneCalc to %programfiles(x86)%\foobar2000 (%programfiles% for 32-bit users)
4. Run foobar2000

Tried this on a virtual os Windows 7 Pro x64 as well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: my_heroine on 2012-01-02 21:38:30
I did that, but I got the following error when clicking synchronise:

"Error reading ArtworkDB database: Unsupported format or corrupted file"
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kkangje on 2012-01-04 05:41:01
please update for ios 5.01

album art does not work;
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2012-01-06 14:46:00
I finally got an alternate option!  No more itunes, and no more messing with outdated foobar ipod manager.

Follow the steps:

1. install itunes(I know this could be hard for you, but some dll files are required from itunes installation package)

2. go to [removed]  ,  download the software. I know the website is in Chinese, just download
    the software, and you will find the language option for installation. You can install English version of it.
3. Run the software(You antispyware might report threat, as did mine, I deleted the suspicious file, and it still works    fine). 
4. Plug in your ipod (mine is ipod touch 4th generation with iOS5.0.1), the software will recognize it, then you can drag in your music anyway you want, or you can just delete music from your music library. And it supports album art!
5. Enjoy and it's free!

there are much better standalone tools like this... e.g. http://www.copytrans.net/ (http://www.copytrans.net/) its free. and no chinese Version + no spyware
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: MWP on 2012-01-07 05:25:22
So i picked up a 4S 16GB yesterday (5.0.1).
I installed the latest fod_doo and the iphonecalc DLL from the offical site.

I then picked my music (all MP3s, no transcoding), put it in a playlist and sync'ed that playlist to the 4S.
It correctly showed the files to be added, then went through the process of copying & writing the gapless info.
Unplugged the phone and... no music on the 4S??

I checked the 4S settings usage info page, it shows 0 songs.

So to recheck, i replugged in the phone, and used foo_dop to "load library". All the music is there.

So whats going on here?
Why cant i see the music on the iPhone?

Thanks in advance!!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2012-01-07 08:45:00
So i picked up a 4S 16GB yesterday (5.0.1).
[...]
So whats going on here?
Why cant i see the music on the iPhone?

Thanks in advance!!


Really, it would only take scrolling up this page to see that iOS5 is not supported yet.
See here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#supported_models) for supported models and iOS versions.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kompot on 2012-01-07 12:02:14
Some thoughts on album art not working on iOS5 and foo_dop 0.6.9.7.

Created two files with embedded album art (both AAC encoded using foobar converter and Nero AAC encoder). One album art embedded with foobar and another one with neroAacTag.exe (which is part of Nero AAC "package"). Dropped both files to iTunes. Album art in the first one was NOT visible by iTunes (right click -> get info in iTunes). The second was ok. So I unchecked options to embed album art in foo_dop, sent files to iPhone and got no album art for both files. So maybe thereis is some album art processing in foo_dop even if option "do embed" is not set.

Also I tried to embed album art on-the-fly by using external converter as a batch script (using the same neroAacTag.exe), but it seems like foo_dop converter capabilities are more limited than standard converter. In this thread
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=92746 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=92746)
I described how I didn't succeed with embedding album art by standard converter because %path% titleformatting is not passed to external converter. But in case of foo_dop even "simple" titleformatting (like %album%) is not passed.

So, a feature request (probably connected with thread mentioned above) - add ability to pass all titleformatting to external converters.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: phibercrack on 2012-01-07 15:33:00
hi,

maybe somebody can help me with that:
i would like to rename the title field if the genre is Audiobook:

$if($stricmp($meta(genre),audiobook),%title%,($puts(char,')')$puts(tag,%album%)$puts(spacer,$strchr($get(tag),$get(char)))$trim($right($get(tag),$sub($len($get(tag)),$get(spacer))))[ '['$num(%discnumber%,2)/$num(%totaldiscs%,2)']']))

can somebody check that script, i doesn't work :-(

thanks phiber
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2012-01-08 03:20:17
i would like to rename the title field if the genre is Audiobook:

$if($stricmp($meta(genre),audiobook),%title%,($puts(char,')')$puts(tag,%album%)$puts(spacer,$strchr($get(tag),$get(char)))$trim($right($get(tag),$sub($len($get(tag)),$get(spacer))))[ '['$num(%discnumber%,2)/$num(%totaldiscs%,2)']']))


Firstly, you're checking if genre is audiobook and then returning %title% if it's true, followed by the rest otherwise. I'd think you want to swap %title% with the stuff afterwards.
I'm not quite sure what you're doing with the rest - the open brackets before the first $puts seem superfluous(?), and I'm not clear whether you therefore actually have matching brackets, for a start...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: phibercrack on 2012-01-08 08:33:30
thanks for your answer.

i would like to rername the title field if the genre is audiobook.
and the title-field should be filled with the information from album-field+[discnumber/totaldiscs] but everthing should be cut in front of the first bracket within the album-field.

yes, you are right, the open brackets before the first $puts is sensless.. :-)
everything with the $puts works fine (e.g. with "format from other field) , but not with the ipod-metadata-mapping :-(

$if($stricmp($meta(genre),audiobook),$puts(char,')')$puts(tag,%album%)$puts(spacer,$strchr($get(tag),$get(char)))$trim($right($get(tag),$sub($len($get(tag)),$get(spacer))))[ '['$num(%discnumber%,2)/$num(%totaldiscs%,2)']'],%title%)

example (genre = audiobook)
album-name= series (series-no.) series-name
dicsnumber = 7
totaldiscs =  13

title = series-name [07/13]

thx
phiber
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: MWP on 2012-01-13 02:39:56
So i picked up a 4S 16GB yesterday (5.0.1).
[...]
So whats going on here?
Why cant i see the music on the iPhone?

Thanks in advance!!


Really, it would only take scrolling up this page to see that iOS5 is not supported yet.
See here (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#supported_models) for supported models and iOS versions.


Ahhh what??
I scroll up and see people talking about iOS5 saying that it works (except for album art)??
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sonvolt on 2012-01-13 10:45:20
I use method described in post  #3651,  works for me..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Wan on 2012-01-15 21:31:13
I have the same problem as MWP.
I add songs in foobar, they even show in iTunes but not on the iphone. I tried everything in the menu (synchronize, rebuild database, etc) without success.

(http://i.imgur.com/u6MzL.png)

vs

(http://i.imgur.com/RmOIo.png)

See? the Eros Ramazzotti album doesn't show in the iphone though the files are in the device.


EDIT: OK, a hacky thing to do for the songs to show is to send the "ipod view" playlist to the iPhone.
The album art is still not being saved correctly, though (it shows in iTunes)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mcai8rw2 on 2012-01-19 10:56:39
Hello All,

I have had a search on the forums... but i couldn;t come up with anything. Probably because the keywords I am using to search, are so generic.

In ITUNES... if i transfer a particular album onto my IPOD, in my Albums list it appears as ONE album, with many tracks.

In FOOBAR, if i transfer the SAME album to my ipod, Foobar SPLITS the album up into the different artists, and i end up with LOADS of copies of the same album.

So... please can anyone advise me on how to get foo_dop to sort my albums by album title... and not take artist into consideration on the album.

I'm relatively certain this has something to do with the metadata / Database mapping... but i am REALLY struggling to get my head around what strings like this:

$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,%ipod_compilation%)

Actually mean. So any help would be dearly appreciated.

Sincerely
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: leeyingseng on 2012-01-20 08:27:23
I use method described in post  #3651,  works for me..


hi there

just saw this topic, and i tried finding the post you mention, but i can not. Any chance you can point me in the right direction to the method your talking about? i stupidly upgraded my ipod touch, and i am now stuck with no music

cheers

lm
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sonvolt on 2012-01-21 17:36:15
Post is on page 147 but here a resume, Send music to Apple device using Foobar/Foodop, close Foobar then open Itunes go to the music on your device then
selected one of your songs and play it. A quick Synch should occur and your songs should now show up.
Album art doesn't work but can live with that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mcai8rw2 on 2012-01-23 11:21:43
Quote
Hello All,

I have had a search on the forums... but i couldn;t come up with anything. Probably because the keywords I am using to search, are so generic.

In ITUNES... if i transfer a particular album onto my IPOD, in my Albums list it appears as ONE album, with many tracks.

In FOOBAR, if i transfer the SAME album to my ipod, Foobar SPLITS the album up into the different artists, and i end up with LOADS of copies of the same album.

So... please can anyone advise me on how to get foo_dop to sort my albums by album title... and not take artist into consideration on the album.

I'm relatively certain this has something to do with the metadata / Database mapping... but i am REALLY struggling to get my head around what strings like this:

$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,%ipod_compilation%)

Actually mean. So any help would be dearly appreciated.

Sincerely

This post has been edited by mcai8rw2: Jan 19 2012, 10:57


sorry to shamlessly self bump...(not that bumping works on this kind of thread...)...

But i;m really still stuck on how to stop FOOBAR from splitting my Albums with Different artists as separate Albums on my ipod.

Basically... I want my Ipod Nano to group the albums by album title... and ignore the fact that there are different artists.

Help! I hate itunes!

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: zlodey on 2012-01-23 12:09:41
Album Artist and Artist Name are not the same !!!  iPod sorts the albums by the Album Artist, so, if you have a VA album, than you should tag it as it is: in the Album Artist field write "Various Artists", and leave the "Artst Name" as is, different for different song. All this do in Foobar (or other tagging tool) and it should look like this:
http://iceimg.com/i/55/9f/5788699881.png (http://iceimg.com/i/55/9f/5788699881.png)  (one Various Artists for all the album)

Now simply transfer the album to iPod, and in the iPod search it at "Compilations" or by Album name.


and i have a question: which version of foo-dop (if there is one) supports tracks' ratings, so as to be able to see in Foobar which track from my iPod nano 2G has 1 or 5 stars ???  Is it possible somehow to see this information ?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2012-01-24 00:55:43
More importantly, is musicmusic alive? I'd be willing to donate for a new version, but I haven't seen anything from him at all.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2012-01-24 08:29:37
More importantly, is musicmusic alive? I'd be willing to donate for a new version, but I haven't seen anything from him at all.


I emailed him a few weeks ago (contact address on his website) and got no response, so I hope he's just caught up with other things!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Xenion on 2012-01-24 16:10:08
i also hope that nothing serious happened to musicmusic because he used to show up in this forums regularly.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2012-01-24 16:26:05
i wrote him too, some days ago.. no reply.


i heard that he used to code foo_dop, but then he took an arrow to the knee
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kerby on 2012-01-26 07:31:12
Hi everyone,

Just wanted to note that the method described earlier did work for me with IOS 5.01. (Using the iPhoneCalc.dll file, etc.).

There are a couple of things to note:
In iTunes, go to the Summary page to set the Options for your iPhone/iPod Touch and make sure you check:
"Manually manage music and videos"
Then go to the Music and uncheck:
"Sync Music"

Every time after copying files with Foobar2000, I had to restart iTunes and play a song off the device to get the database rebuilt.

Hopefully this is helpful to someone.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: krazyclocks on 2012-02-04 22:02:19
I would like to get a probally used Ipod Touch 3rd or 4th generation , for dual usage one to hold my flac converted files to MP3s for playback using line out in truck and just as important to remote control my foobar flac files on my home XP PC.

There seems to be conflicting data , the newest ios 5 will not work with album embedded art ?

However the older versions work fine ?

What versions work ?

While using Ipod as remote viewer will it sync up to the playing Flac files on the PC ?
What is displayed ?

Never owned a Apple product so all new to me , thanks for info from people whom are using in this way.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NullString on 2012-02-05 20:56:46
The Media Monkey team hasn't been able to implement a full featured iOS5 plug-in.
Many developers are with a huge headache trying to circumvent the changes introduced by Apple regarding audio management. We'll have to wait a little bit longer until a working DLL comes out I guess.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: somy on 2012-02-06 14:08:42
Is there any alternative to this plugin?
I tried to manually convert FLAC files to AAC format and then uses Itunes to sync to IPhone, but album covers are also lost during the conversion.
It would be nice to have something similar to this: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic...f=2&t=45713 (http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=45713)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kompot on 2012-02-06 14:14:58
Is there any alternative to this plugin?

I've written an alternative that works pretty much the same as the solution you mentioned.
Take a look here
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=93063 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=93063)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: vr4y on 2012-02-15 01:23:55
I have been waiting for update of foo-dop for a long time.
It turns out that I have to give up~
musicmusic is a great person.I appreciate what he has done for all of us.
However, he doesn't have responsibility to keep on updating it for free.
I dont like itunes,

For whom are looking for alternative ways to transfer songs to ios5 without itunes, I 'll recommend itools ,which is developed by a Chinese group .
Don't worry about your Chinese Level, they provide English Version here : http://itools.hk/tscms/ (http://itools.hk/tscms/)  ,
Numerous Chinese iphone users  manage their phone with itools.
It works fine for me.
However If you're very sensitive with it, make sure you have anti-virus software installed in your computer.
You use it on your own risk.

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: garrettedge on 2012-02-21 00:14:49
If the source code is up on his website, why hasn't anyone just pulled the source and worked on it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mraviator on 2012-02-23 19:39:59
Newb here...

On Win 7 running Foobar2000 1.1.11 and foo_dop 0.6.9.6. When trying to sync music with my iPod Nano (6G, the square one), I keep getting in I/O 1005 error.
any ideas what this is about? I'm using iPhoneCalc.dll from http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start).

thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: yeeeargh on 2012-02-27 15:09:42
hi, i have one question. is it possible to add artist-art which gets shown in the artist list on my ipod nano 6/7g?
the way i have it set up now it shows one of the album-covers of this artist. i have to option "additionally use foobar2000 built-in artwork reader" checked an in foobar it shows the artist-art.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mzso on 2012-02-29 21:02:56
Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? I'm trying to add album art to the albums I already have on the ipod. I set the album art folder. All the album arts are correctly found and shown on the ipod playlist. I select all and choose "Update album art". But when the process is finished I can't see the album arts on the ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Fangs404 on 2012-03-07 02:09:04
If the source code is up on his website, why hasn't anyone just pulled the source and worked on it?

Because it's not open source....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: halfnhalf03 on 2012-03-13 02:34:10
Any word on whether or not it works in 5.1?

I'm currently using the previously stated method of opening my ipod in itunes and rebuilding it. I'm worried that if i upgrade to 5.1, that even this method wont be possible.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: matt the cat on 2012-03-17 17:48:39
I'm wondering does this work with iTunesEncode.exe in addition to Nero AAC? 

iTunes got better results in the listening tests on low bitrates and therefore I'd rather use it to encode those low bit rate files I'm adding to my iPod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: smellyeagle on 2012-03-28 18:26:55
Hi,

I have a verizon iphone 4 and have had limited success with the experimental version of ipod manager. I'm able to copy files to the iphone, but am not able to see them on my phone. Strangely, I can see the music fine within itunes. Any idea what's going on?

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: luckypops on 2012-04-01 23:22:39
I get the following error when I choose "Send to iPod" on my iPod Touch 1st Generation:

"Error writing iTunesDB file : Expected 16 character FireWireGUID. Got: 3F60901FB5F9D2E0FADBFD1296AFC4B97E88FAC0"

I am running Windows 7 Home Edition, along with the latest versions of foo_dop.dll and iPhoneCalc.dll.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2012-04-04 00:44:15
The old method of repairing it via itunes after syncing with foo_dop doesn't appear to work in 5.1 for me. Yea I had to find out....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: trelain on 2012-04-06 02:16:08
Anyone know of another forum thread that provides any more ongoing info about the prospects of regaining 3rd party access to the iPod database post-IOS 5?  The Media monkey thread hasn't been updated in months, and I haven't been able to find any other product besides iTunes that will work with IOS 5, and iTunes is too tag-ignorant to be useful.  Since this affects so many people it seems to me that it warrants more frequent info updates than once every 6 months.  It's like everyone involved just disappeared off the face of the earth or something.    If it can't be done it would be helpful (and professional) to know that so we can all move on to getting rid of our iPods or capitulate and become slaves to the almighty totalitarian fruit.  Not being a dick, just want some info from somebody who actually knows something, not more "just wait" comments - are we SOL or not?    Any suggestions for an iPod alternative whose hardware is just as sexy and wonderful?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gob on 2012-04-06 06:11:59
It's like everyone involved just disappeared off the face of the earth or something.


Wouldn't be surprised if Apple sent their goons after them.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2012-04-06 08:37:54
(...)
It's like everyone involved just disappeared off the face of the earth or something.    If it can't be done it would be helpful (and professional) to know that so we can all move on to getting rid of our iPods or capitulate and become slaves to the almighty totalitarian fruit. (...)


If you want professional, maybe go and ask over at the MediaMonkey forum, as they charge for their software and presumably have more than one person working on it.
foo_dop was a closed-source component developed by one person, who hasn't been seen on Hydrogenaudio for quite a long time. As far as I know, nobody knew him(?) personally, so there's no way to contact him. Nobody else on this thread knows any more than you do, literally.

kompot did put together a combination of components and javascript that leverages iTunes to actually sync the music, but foobar to tag to your preference. Your files are processed, placed in a different folder, and then synced to iTunes. It's a reasonable workaround for what appears to be an intransigent problem:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=93063 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=93063)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2012-04-11 19:43:01
Intransigent problem? What is the compromise? Just use itunes? Ok just tell me how to get my auto playlists, ratings and album art over into itunes and i'll use it.

Really, I have an iPod that hasn't been functional for several months at this point. In fact if anyone knows how to roll my ipod back to the last working firmware then i am willing to do that to get it functional.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2012-04-11 20:09:54
I take that back Frogworth.. you are right. I am wiping my iPod, restoring firmware 4.3 and regaining my functionality. Thanks, not sure why I didn't do this sooner.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2012-04-11 23:38:06
Jesus fuck im tearing my hair out. I don't have the shsh blob to downgrade to 4.3.3
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: IvoP123 on 2012-04-12 13:37:39
this plugin is awesome! but please update it so i can use it with my ios 5.1 iphone
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2012-04-12 17:33:34
Well screw that. Gave up on trying to get back to 4.3.3. I wiped my entire device, disabled all itune syncing and resynced with foobar, i've at least got my music playlists back on a 5.1 device. Basic functionality re-attained.

Part of me wishes I could get functional album art, the other part of me is just glad the thing plays music again.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: trelain on 2012-04-19 11:16:12
Looks like there may be some good news.... the Media Monkey team just posted that they now have a working sync to IOS5.    Don't know what it takes for FB2K to utilize it, though. 

http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic...2&start=105 (http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=62322&start=105)

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Natanji on 2012-04-20 08:30:34
Hey all,
this component isn't working for me on my iPod Touch 3G with iOS 4.1 installed, which should be supported, right?

I am getting "AMDeviceNotificationGetThreadHandle" error when I start foobar2000 and do not see any iPod devices in foobar2000 afterwards. I am running Windows 7 x64, by the way.

I should maybe note that I did not install iTunes, but extracted the Mobile Device and Application Support from the iTunes installed and installed them separately. The Apple Mobile Device service is running of course.

Can anyone help me fix this error?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2012-04-20 09:58:21
Hey all,
this component isn't working for me on my iPod Touch 3G with iOS 4.1 installed, which should be supported, right?

(..)

Can anyone help me fix this error?


It's possible that the latest versions of iTunes are no longer supported. The component hasn't been updated for a while now.
Make sure you're not using the experimental version 0.6.9.7. That causes problems.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Natanji on 2012-04-21 16:52:24
Does anybody here still have an older version of the iTunes/Mobile Device and Application Support software installer that works with this? Would be awesome
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kareha on 2012-04-21 18:11:12
Does anybody here still have an older version of the iTunes/Mobile Device and Application Support software installer that works with this? Would be awesome


Here maybe http://www.oldversion.com/iTunes.html (http://www.oldversion.com/iTunes.html)

Also from here http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php (http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: benzin on 2012-04-28 15:16:25
Ok guys/gals, there is a workaround that could be used as a base for a new plugin/script, it just needs a coder to pick it up.
But even before someone has made a plugin, it is less painful than to sync with iTunes (at least for me).

For now, this will work only with jailbroken iDevices. And it requires some third-party software from Cydia, which is not free - it's called PwnTunes. I think it costs about $12. I found it worth the price, as besides the ability to move your music to/from your iDevice, it gives you the option to use this device as a portable USB stick and save your files directly to it. Though I think it has a nasty bug with mp3 files, so in order to be on the safe side, you better use aac-encoded files with it. Another reason to use aac is that only this way you can have your albumart copied over to the device. In other words, if you embed albumart into mp3 files and then copy them to the iDevice (with PwnTunes installed), the files will appear in your Music app, but they will have no albumart assigned to them.

So, what you need to do for preparation:

1. in Cydia, you need to purchase and install a nice package named PwnTunes (costs several bucks)
2. make sure it works with your computer. if you have winxp, maybe you'll have to navigate to [your iDevice\Misc\Windows Xp Fix], then copy and install the .exe file contained there. don't worry, it's not a malware, it will just make your system recognize the device as a portable and not as a camera.
3. now, navigate to [iDevice\Internal Storage\My Music]. This is the new shiny folder to copy your music to. you can copy it altogether with the folders and any additional files. which is pretty conveniet.
4. if you, like me, prefer to have your main music collection in lossless formats, you will need to convert the music you want to copy to the iDevice to another format (you can use aac lossless, though, if you like). go to foobar, open the Converter dialog and make a preset to convert your files to a format you want. I chose Nero aac (you will need the nero aac encoder for that), VBR at 195 kbit/s. it can be even easier if you create a folder on your desktop to use as an intermediary between your foobar and your iDevice. then configure your converter preset to always send the converted files to this folder. you can do it like this: in the Converter Setup, click Destination, then specify a folder, then click on "Convert each track to individual file", and in the "Name Format" field paste this string:
%artist% - %album% / [%disc%.]%track% %title%
then save the preset.

From now on, every time you want to copy your music to your iDevice, all you need to do is right-click the desired tracks, select your saved conversion preset, wait for it to convert, then drag the converted files into foobar again, and attach the albumart to them. and then just copy them over to the "My Music" folder on your iDevice. it can be even less pain when someone will write a script to do all this in one click. as soon as the files are copied, you open the Music app, wait a few seconds (depending on how many tracks you copied) for it to import them, and voila. Then, in order to delete your files from the iDevice, you go the "My Music" folder and simply delete the folder containing the album.

Good luck and keep us posted if it works for you, too! 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mstram24 on 2012-05-01 18:12:51
so from what i understand nobody is able to get an iphone 4th gen to work with this plugin?

until the creator comes back or something major gets done?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2012-05-01 18:32:10
so from what i understand nobody is able to get an iphone 4th gen to work with this plugin?

until the creator comes back or something major gets done?



that's how it is
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mstram24 on 2012-05-02 05:42:41
anybody has their regular iPod working?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Color Green on 2012-05-04 04:23:55
When I try to put songs on my iPod Nano 6G I get a "DB Version 5 requires iPhoneCalc.dll. Write operations are disabled" error. I have foobar2000 v1.1.10 and I am using foo_dop-0.6.9.7 on windows 7 64 bit and I have iPhoneCalc.dll as well.


Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mstram24 on 2012-05-06 00:28:27
MusicMusic please come back!!!!



We need you Sir!


from all music lovers in despair around the world
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2012-05-13 13:37:18
Mediamonkey has a BETA that works fine now with iOS 5
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: compoopers on 2012-05-15 08:16:11
I got this working with my ipod, but only barely. Syncing works, but album art doesn't work nor does scrobbling.

Just popping in to say that there are still people out there interested in getting iOS5 support still!!!!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Woodenhead on 2012-05-24 22:29:26
Just popping in to say that this still works great with my Classic. But I do have 1 annoyance that I can't seem to correct...

When syncing, I keep getting the same error for 5 files: "failed to add file to ipod: object not found" The kicker is they do exist, and are already on the ipod. So far I've tried deleting dupes, recovering orphaned tracks, remove dead items, rewrite itunes db, double-checking tags & file locations etc., and deleting the files from playlist > sync > re-add... all kinds of stuff. Still get the same error every time. o_O

Screenies:

http://gyazo.com/b97ac00c02c6b24789925bca5....png?1337894654 (http://gyazo.com/b97ac00c02c6b24789925bca522baa66.png?1337894654)

http://gyazo.com/b7f34aa5ed2defb38f44e9c42....png?1337894734 (http://gyazo.com/b7f34aa5ed2defb38f44e9c4201358ea.png?1337894734)

Driving me nuts. Any thoughts? Am I just doing something in the wrong order or overlooking something simple? lol
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2012-05-24 23:04:58
I got this working with my ipod, but only barely. Syncing works, but album art doesn't work nor does scrobbling.

Just popping in to say that there are still people out there interested in getting iOS5 support still!!!!


(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/015/orly.jpg)

Mediamonkey works like a charm.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: EagleScout1998 on 2012-05-25 06:12:26
Any thoughts? Am I just doing something in the wrong order or overlooking something simple? lol


I used to get the same error.

One thing I don't like about foo_dop is how it creates files on the iPod. iTunes would create a random, unique filename. The foo_dop component, on the other hand, uses the first eight characters of the source filename. Since two files with the same filename cannot exist within the same folder, foo_dop modifies the second file to keep it unique.

For example. I used to name my music files as "Track**.mp3" (where "**" is the track number). Needles to say, you're going to have several instances of "Track01.mp3" in the same folder. So, this is what happens:

File #1 - F00\Track01.mp3

File #2 - F00\Track(1).mp3

File #3 - F00\Track(2).mp3

... and so on.

Eventually, you'll wind up with "Trac(99).mp3". I don't think it will go up to "Tra(100).mp3". Thus, the hiccup.

This, of course, is just my guess....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: compoopers on 2012-05-26 21:12:50
Mediamonkey works like a charm.


Does Mediamonkey have built in converting during syncing? All my music is in FLAC and I am not about to convert all my music and have doubles if I can save time and just use foo_dop.

On top of that, how will I get all my playlists into MediaMonkey from foobar? And why would I even want to use mediamonkey because I already have foboar and love it and have customized it to everything I want it to be?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gob on 2012-05-27 03:31:40
Mediamonkey works like a charm.


What do you think this is, some sort of meme site?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Derif750 on 2012-06-09 09:27:53
When I try to put songs on my iPod Nano 6G I get a "DB Version 5 requires iPhoneCalc.dll. Write operations are disabled" error. I have foobar2000 v1.1.10 and I am using foo_dop-0.6.9.7 on windows 7 64 bit and I have iPhoneCalc.dll as well.

Try to copy iphone calc.dll in the main directory not in component
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: compoopers on 2012-06-13 08:48:49
So with the release of iOS6, is this plugin officially discontinued or what?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mzso on 2012-06-13 10:37:20
So with the release of iOS6, is this plugin officially discontinued or what?

Official would be if the dev said something about that. So far it seems abandoned though.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sixth Street on 2012-06-13 18:39:12
At this point, it's unlikely we'll see an update.  But I do think it was pretty amazing that musicmusic was able to keep up with iOS up to 4.X, as a one man shop.  Moreso than seeing an update to foo_dop, I'd like to actually get some acknowledgement that musicmusic is okay.  It's like he fell off the face of the earth.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2012-06-13 18:49:56
Maybe this happened to him: http://www.zeller.de/img/2421-24.JPG (http://www.zeller.de/img/2421-24.JPG)

foo_dop was perfect, im really missing it. There are plenty of tools to fill your nasty apple hardware, but nothing is as good as foo_dop. AND WILL NEVER BE! 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: trelain on 2012-06-14 02:15:45
Not only foo_dop, but Columns UI also, probably the most popular component of all.  It's a blow to the whole FB2K community to see them fade.  I now curse every moment I have to sit through iTunes's agony.  It sucks if everyone eventually ends up deleting those musicmusic components because he disappeared and cannot continue to support them.  Too bad developers don't check their source in with a moderator that could store it away on a server in the event that they abandon their work, which after some long period of time (like a year) it could be posted for someone else to sign up to carry on, or something. 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sonvolt on 2012-06-15 15:07:06
I'm  with sixth  , would be happy just to know that musicmusic if fine and if he's finished developing foo_dop thats ok, it was great while it was working at it's best , I'm still using it (can live without art) and starting Itumes to play a song so it synchs touch is not the end of the world.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bulletproof2k on 2012-06-15 17:37:15
Has anyone encountered this problem? 
http://help.foobar2000.org/problem/6f297b1...d0e96d6d09fbe0f (http://help.foobar2000.org/problem/6f297b10155949595d0e96d6d09fbe0f)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ZEN_268 on 2012-06-18 15:46:11
Hello to all!  I have problem with the artworks in iPod Manager. Each FLAC file that I convert in m4a, doesn't get  artwork. But if I send lossy tracks without any convert they get artwork as well.  Could anyone help me please ? Thanks in advance!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: db1989 on 2012-06-18 15:53:58
Presuming you’re converting using foobar2000’s own Converter, it does not transfer embedded artwork. This is a known omission and a frequently requested feature; you may want to read the past threads about it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bryter on 2012-06-19 11:30:39
I have started using Wi-Fi sync (http://ghughes.com/wifi-sync/) with foobar. Few times, i was able to sucesfully send music with it to my iPhone 3gs (Jailbroken, 4.3.3) , while most of the time i am having problems. The problem is like this: i open wi-fi sync on iphone, then i open foobar on my pc. Foobar tries to connect with iphone but is not able to and as a result, wi-fi sync exits on the iphone. I checked the console on foobar and this is what i get:
Code: [Select]
iPod manager: Apple Mobile Device: error: AMDeviceStartService (AFC) returned E8000065
iPod manager: Error: AMDeviceStopSession returned E8000013


Any idea on how can i fix this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: stev-io on 2012-06-27 15:28:38
ok FWIW i have an iphone 4S running iOS5.1.  i also just upgraded my kids ipods to 5.1.1 (latest just 5 days ago).  I have been using foobar2000 and the ipod manager for quite a while now and everything has been super sweet until the latest ver of iOS.  anyway here's what i've found... if you have iOS 4 and want to use Foobar2000, don't upgrade.  if you have upgraded, then to use foobar2000 and this plugin then the following steps worked for me.

when you upgrade, all the music is 'lost' on the ipod/iphone.  but its not really lost, its still there but inaccessible.  so forget it.  just get the experimental version of this plugin and look at what music is on there using the manage contents dialog.  once you know whats on there, take a snapshot because this is what you are going to have to re-create.

how to remove current items?? not really sure but i think if you do a load library and delete everything and then sync, the files will be deleted??

so now that you know what you have to do, duplicate the playlists in foobar and using the experimental plugin, synchronize the playlists you want.  it will write the new stuff to your ipod/iphone.  next step is to open itunes with yr device plugged in.  it will show the media on the device.  play a song from the device and if all things are aligned in the universe, the music should now be available in 'music' on yr device.  its almost like itunes needs to rewrite the database and this can only be done via iTunes.

worked for me using iPod iOS 5.1.1, iPh 5.1 and iTunes 10.5.1.42.
not a happy camper but a camper...... at least i don't need to use iTunes to put stuff on there.  Geez that program is a nightmare!!

if you have a NAS with uPNP or DLNA support and wifi then get media:connect. download what you want to yr device and play from there.  no itunes or any other crap.  can play away from home!

if you really want to kick ass while yr at home then get 8player.  well worth the money.....

Stev-IO
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: eahm on 2012-06-27 18:00:13
There are plenty of tools to fill your nasty apple hardware, but nothing is as good as foo_dop. AND WILL NEVER BE! 

CopyTrans Manager (bad name) is really good (the best IMO) and it's free and portable.
http://www.copytrans.net/copytransmanager.php (http://www.copytrans.net/copytransmanager.php)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Moduul on 2012-06-27 21:04:30
stev-io, that sounds quite nice but I'm not quite sure what steps you take. Especially the part "so now that you know what you have to do, duplicate the playlists in foobar" is rather vague to me.

Could you be a bit more specific and/or include screenshots please? Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Chris Norman on 2012-06-27 23:44:27
I agree to the things said before. It is very sad to see that musicmusic has ceased the development. To me it always seemed a danger that foobar never really ancouraged an open source policy. The project is dead and even if someone wants to continue no one can.

The donations (https://www.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_flow&SESSION=JhFaEWFnO_o9Awu-Lj4Nhe6rBiE95X1zElTURNAWxMTSTcksH4ydz6UT7Xe&dispatch=5885d80a13c0db1f8e263663d3faee8d8494db9703d295b4a2116480ee01a05c) are still working  If everyone donates what he can afford musicmusic might reappear!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: NullString on 2012-06-28 03:59:39
The new beta version of Media Monkey supports iOS 5 natively almost flawlessly.  I drag the tracks frm fb2k to MM, and from MM to the ipod.
I just hope that musicmusic is ok, not for development's sake but because he has earned so much damn respect
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sixth Street on 2012-06-28 08:43:41
This is pure speculation on my part, as I am not a developer, but the solution is probably fairly straightforward if you leverage the mediamonkey beta dll.  Their version of the iphonecalc (in the newest beta) is a lot newer than the one required for foo_dop so that dll probably is updated to work with iOS5.  Alas, we will probably never find out.

I gave it a go with the new mediamonkey iphonecall dll and it didn't work, so some changes must have to be made in foo_dop as well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: stev-io on 2012-06-28 12:19:55
stev-io, that sounds quite nice but I'm not quite sure what steps you take. Especially the part "so now that you know what you have to do, duplicate the playlists in foobar" is rather vague to me.

Could you be a bit more specific and/or include screenshots please? Thanks!


Moduul
The idea here is to see what music you had on yr iDevice (playlists and tracks) and then duplicating the playlists in foobar (if you already have the playlists in foobar then you won't need to do this).  If you use the Manage Contents option of the iPod Manager you can see all of these details (playlists and songs).  the 'so now you know what to do...' refers to recreating these playlists (if you don't already have them) in foobar.
Its most likely that the playlists are already exist in your foobar2000 installation.

If you then sync these playlists using iPod manager in foobar it should rewrite the database (and tracks if they are not there). 

The next step i took was to close down foobar, open iTunes, plug in your device.  Find your device in iTunes and make sure the playlists you sent using Foobar are visible in iTunes.  Click on one of the playlists and the tracks will be listed in iTunes.  Double click on a song in the playlist and play it in iTunes.  then if you open up Music on your iDevice, the playlist should now appear along with all of the music!  worked for me!!

on the flipside of this, i D/L'd MediaMonkey free version and it was seamless to sync.  just created a playlist, added songs and sent them to the iPhone.  it just worked, but i really, really, really don't like the MM interface.  i'd rather my simple easy to understand theme i have in FB.  i installed MM for the kids so they could easily sync their devices without iTunes, but i will stick with my fb 'hack'

I hope this explains my vagueness.....
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2012-06-28 13:19:33
also, the MM transfe ris reaaaaallllllyy slow
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2012-06-28 16:01:46
There are plenty of tools to fill your nasty apple hardware, but nothing is as good as foo_dop. AND WILL NEVER BE! 

CopyTrans Manager (bad name) is really good (the best IMO) and it's free and portable.
http://www.copytrans.net/copytransmanager.php (http://www.copytrans.net/copytransmanager.php)

I just want to insert a quick caveat that CopyTrans Manager has/had (at least as of a couple years ago) a limit on the free version's ability to transfer songs off of an iPod/iPhone. Back when my old 5.5G iPod was failing with unreadable drive sectors and I got a 6G to replace it, I tried using CTM to copy the songs off of it to reload to my new one, but it stopped at some arbitrary number. I forget what it is offhand, but, again, this was between a year-and-half to two years ago.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2012-06-28 16:07:03
There are plenty of tools to fill your nasty apple hardware, but nothing is as good as foo_dop. AND WILL NEVER BE! 

CopyTrans Manager (bad name) is really good (the best IMO) and it's free and portable.
http://www.copytrans.net/copytransmanager.php (http://www.copytrans.net/copytransmanager.php)

I just want to insert a quick caveat that CopyTrans Manager has/had (at least as of a couple years ago) a limit on the free version's ability to transfer songs off of an iPod/iPhone. Back when my old 5.5G iPod was failing with unreadable drive sectors and I got a 6G to replace it, I tried using CTM to copy the songs off of it to reload to my new one, but it stopped at some arbitrary number. I forget what it is offhand, but, again, this was between a year-and-half to two years ago.


Cool story, bro. Times - they are changin'

as you can read from many posts, CTM works fine with no limitations.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2012-06-28 16:11:16
Thanks for correcting me, but I don't think that warrants a "cool story bro." I was attempting to be genuine in my post.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Moduul on 2012-06-29 08:55:29
stev-io, that sounds quite nice but I'm not quite sure what steps you take. Especially the part "so now that you know what you have to do, duplicate the playlists in foobar" is rather vague to me.

Could you be a bit more specific and/or include screenshots please? Thanks!


Moduul
The idea here is to see what music you had on yr iDevice (playlists and tracks) and then duplicating the playlists in foobar (if you already have the playlists in foobar then you won't need to do this).  If you use the Manage Contents option of the iPod Manager you can see all of these details (playlists and songs).  the 'so now you know what to do...' refers to recreating these playlists (if you don't already have them) in foobar.
Its most likely that the playlists are already exist in your foobar2000 installation.

If you then sync these playlists using iPod manager in foobar it should rewrite the database (and tracks if they are not there). 

The next step i took was to close down foobar, open iTunes, plug in your device.  Find your device in iTunes and make sure the playlists you sent using Foobar are visible in iTunes.  Click on one of the playlists and the tracks will be listed in iTunes.  Double click on a song in the playlist and play it in iTunes.  then if you open up Music on your iDevice, the playlist should now appear along with all of the music!  worked for me!!

on the flipside of this, i D/L'd MediaMonkey free version and it was seamless to sync.  just created a playlist, added songs and sent them to the iPhone.  it just worked, but i really, really, really don't like the MM interface.  i'd rather my simple easy to understand theme i have in FB.  i installed MM for the kids so they could easily sync their devices without iTunes, but i will stick with my fb 'hack'

I hope this explains my vagueness.....



Thanks for the extra details stev-io - I was able to pull it off now. I think it comes down to the timing of switching between fb2k and iTunes - you really need to close fb2k before you open iTunes and vice versa, at least that's what worked for me. I was a bit sceptical, but your workaround really does work. Thanks again for sharing!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ainz on 2012-06-30 03:53:47
This is just a heads up to anyone that misses this fb2k plugin as much as I do, presumably because you hate iTunes as much as I do... give Spotify a go (a 30-day free trial of the premium edition is available).

It ain't fb2k and it ain't perfect... BUT it lets you to sync to your iDevice without iTunes. It's playlist-centric which takes some getting used to, and doesn't handle FLAC never mind the more exotic formats (though that's hardly surprising). I work around that with an fb2k converter setup that lets me temporarily transcode to MP3 for sync purposes with minimal effort. Not as elegant as foo_dop, but workable. Spotify seems to happily coexist with fb2k and work off the same library folders. One point of note is that you use the Spotify app on your iDevice as a player instead of the built-in iPod app... but it really isn't so bad when you get used to it.

I never thought I'd find anything to replace foo_dop... and I stayed on iOS4.x and an ancient version of iTunes for ages just to keep on using this plugin... but I'm managing quite well with Spotify now and I'm reasonably happy with it. In fact I like it so much I've become a premium subscriber (for the streaming content and other features).

Good luck!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2012-07-04 13:53:37
How does Spotify handles Artwork (i guess, only embedded is supported)?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: D.Sync on 2012-07-15 16:53:34
Out of curiosity does this plugin works with the iPhone 4S running iOS 5.1.1? I hate the process that I have to do now just to transfer the music to my phone. Not to mention the redundant process that I have to create another same playlist on iTunes

1) Select songs in foobar2k and add it to playlist 'iPhone'

2) Use the file operation to copy all the songs in the playlist to a folder.

3) Open iTunes, add the folder into the library.

4) Micro-manage the playlist to reflect the same playlist in foobar2k.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: db1989 on 2012-07-15 20:00:59
In case you're still unable to go back a page or two for the readily available answer, it's "no".
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: maniacal on 2012-07-24 00:57:24
at least on my PC this is a useless feature unless my files are hidden. i was hoping i could use this "explorer" to add/delete music files..but from what i can see its totally useless. it shoes the folders that are on my ipod..but absolutely nothing is in them. my main question i guess is how do we add to an existing playlist? i think i can name a playlist "XYZ"..and save that FPL. and then load that and add that way? and then sync back to the ipod..or send to ipod... but that seems mundane and a bad work around.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: maniacal on 2012-07-24 14:32:56
after downloading foo_dop and besides having win 7 recognize the ipod classic 160GB...and seeing that i have file system explorer...what goos is it? what can we do with it? files are hidden. i have tried un-hiding..does no good. there is not a way to "see" music files on the IPOD correct? and if there is..what do i need to download? i will not use itunes. foo works great as a manager for the ipod..i was basically just wondering what function the file system explorer provides?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: SoberWarlock on 2012-07-25 06:41:28
Request: Add option to queue files to be sent to the iPod.

An example would be sending a few tunes over to the iPod with the "iPod > Send to iPod" option. When that is still in progress I can't add another tune unless it finishes it's current operation.

So my proposal is have the option to continually add files but they would be be queued. Perhaps a queue manager to show whats being sent to the ipod.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2012-07-25 13:55:29
Request: Add option to queue files to be sent to the iPod.

An example would be sending a few tunes over to the iPod with the "iPod > Send to iPod" option. When that is still in progress I can't add another tune unless it finishes it's current operation.

So my proposal is have the option to continually add files but they would be be queued. Perhaps a queue manager to show whats being sent to the ipod.



nice try, but this Plugin is dead
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: maniacal on 2012-07-25 16:59:18
Request: Add option to queue files to be sent to the iPod.

An example would be sending a few tunes over to the iPod with the "iPod > Send to iPod" option. When that is still in progress I can't add another tune unless it finishes it's current operation.

So my proposal is have the option to continually add files but they would be be queued. Perhaps a queue manager to show whats being sent to the ipod.

thank you..i think what you said here i finally got on my own thru tirelessly trying any damn thing. what i did was foobar, view, ipod devices, right click on any play-list i made and "send playlist" back into foobars play list. then i can add/delete, etc...then go to file, ipod, manage contents to see whats in there (if it works basically)..and then send again to foobars playlist to manipulate by doing again,...view ipod  devices, "send to" foobar playlist..go back into manager and delete the previous older list that has fewer songs that i just added..i know what im saying is confusing. im in a hurry. but its working for me. it may be a process..but it works...is there a better way? im sure there are better..or quicker ways...but this is working for me. rather drag and drop obviously like my other devices..but seems not possible? file system explorer simply seems like a wasted function...i see stuff on it. like f1, f2...and so on...but that seems worse than what im doing? bottom line is i am getting foobar to do what i had wanted..or my ipod would have been useless to me..short of getting on my MAC...or using itunes..and im not doing either. Mac is only for paying bills on a hard wired..not wireless basis for me. long post...sorry.

sorry 'bout posting in wrong area...ill never get used to where to put what question it seems.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dubwai on 2012-07-25 17:01:37
Interesting, anyone know musicmusic IRL, because if he dead, and we can't get sources, then foo_dop is last working solution to have sync playback stats with portable and fb2k (DAR & AutoPlaylists without correct stats, is nothing) and without any hope to future :-( It's really bad, because i think on it sources, community can make other variants of sync files with conversation and stats for different devices: RockBox, MTP, another fb2k (on netbook or tablet (in futrue WIN8 it will common)).
For example RockBox can possibility to wrote xml with stats.
MTP have open source libs to read stats.
For fb2k also not to hard wrote plugin such plugin, because now it's imposiible to make such simple thing as syncing between fb2k library (~2TB) at main PC and library (~80GB) on netbook.

It's really bad situation with "vendor lock in" between dying iPods and fb2k library. As I said without statistics from portable (even overall time of portable listen not above 30%) you can't get full experience with DAR auto-ratings and autoplaylists.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: db1989 on 2012-07-25 17:50:46
Interesting, anyone know musicmusic IRL, because if he dead
Can we not be so morbid, do you think? Or at least pause to express hope otherwise, especially before going on to a subject that, however framed, is so much less significant than someone’s life.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: SoberWarlock on 2012-07-25 18:28:21
I can't believe this is the only working plugin for iPod transfer support. It's actually perfect and working really good, but I just have few minor changes I would love made.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: aereogramme on 2012-07-26 03:39:25
So is anyone going to start a new plugin?  I would but I don't know how to program.  I guess I could learn and by the time I do there will probably still not be one around.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: compoopers on 2012-07-29 07:15:10
It's official, this plugin no longer works at all on ipod touch/iphone devices.

I attempted syncing, then opening iTunes and doing the "sync" trick to update my playlists, but iTunes no longer updates playlists when clicking the sync button.

Sadly, this plugin is now (completely) dead, and I have to figure out another way to get my music onto my ipod...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: EagleScout1998 on 2012-07-29 08:18:09
The component still works for my iPod Classic.

But if there ever comes a time when the component stops working, I am going to be up the proverbial creek.

When I use iTunes to load my songs to the iPod, album art does not always display correctly in Cover Flow. Earlier versions of iTunes had a very easy fix for this, but the ability to repair the album art cache was removed from iTunes a long time ago. And now, iTunes no longer determines gapless playback information (at least, it didn't the last time I tried).

I am not sure what happened to the component developer, but I hope someone takes the mantle.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: db1989 on 2012-07-29 10:01:27
Things that contribute nothing to this thread (disclaimer: not necessarily an exhaustive list):
• complaints about foo_dop’s lack of development
• speculation about whether someone else will develop a replacement
• speculation about musicmusic

Please, either start developing a replacement yourself, or stop posting the same vague musings about some mythical future hero who will. The only reason that I can see to leave this thread open at all now is for questions about existing functionality that can be answered by other users.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2012-08-02 11:53:37
Things that contribute nothing to this thread (disclaimer: not necessarily an exhaustive list):
• complaints about foo_dop’s lack of development
• speculation about whether someone else will develop a replacement
• speculation about musicmusic

Please, either start developing a replacement yourself, or stop posting the same vague musings about some mythical future hero who will. The only reason that I can see to leave this thread open at all now is for questions about existing functionality that can be answered by other users.


maybe a mod could change the thread title to something like ( Development stopped)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: db1989 on 2012-08-02 12:40:42
A good idea, which I don’t know how I previously overlooked!

While here, I’d like to re-emphasise my request that users refrain from posting about a replacement until it becomes more than hypothetical. Also, it isn’t in very good taste to speculate about musicmusic, whose absence has an unlimited number of potential reasons with probabilities that can’t even be guessed by others. And it means that requests for/laments about missing features can’t achieve anything right now. The most that can be done is to help others use what is available.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: funnuraba21 on 2012-08-04 09:38:11
hello everyone,

I've read this week this topic because i'm interested in the state of dev for foo_dop. Maybe I'm blind or fool, but there is a sdk on foo_dop official site.

http://yuo.be/ipod.php/download/C8EDD65B-F.../dop-sdk-0.2.7z (http://yuo.be/ipod.php/download/C8EDD65B-FCD0-4872-A7A9-9C5206AD890F/dop-sdk-0.2.7z)

I'm not a developper but maybe somebody can pick on eye on it and see if he can add ios 5 sync?

It's a suggestion 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: db1989 on 2012-08-04 12:27:19
There are several problems with that. In approximate ascending order of severity:
• The download is 404d. Didn’t you notice?
• That is labelled as version 0.2. The corresponding version of foo_dop was released on or around 2006-06-09 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=401182), a far cry from the latest version 0.6.9.7 on 2011-06-28.
• An SDK does not equal source code.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: funnuraba21 on 2012-08-04 12:49:20
There are several problems with that. In approximate ascending order of severity:
• The download is 404d. Didn’t you notice?
• That is labelled as version 0.2. The corresponding version of foo_dop was released on or around 2006-06-09 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=401182), a far cry from the latest version 0.6.9.7 on 2011-06-28.
• An SDK does not equal source code.


• Sorry, i've made a mistake with the link. In this page, you can download the SDK : http://yuo.be/ipod.php (http://yuo.be/ipod.php)
• Maybe 0.2.7 is the version of the SDK and not the final product (dll)
• I know that but this SDK can have an utility, maybe.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fbuser on 2012-08-04 12:49:45
• The download is 404d. Didn’t you notice?
This is, of course, the main problem.It seems, that it was only a temporary problem. I could successfully download the SDK now. But having a quick glance on it, it seems, that it is not possible to add the functionality requested by @funnuraba21.
• That is labelled as version 0.2. The corresponding version of foo_dop was released on or around 2006-06-09 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=401182), a far cry from the latest version 0.6.9.7 on 2011-06-28.
This is most likely a wrong assumption. The SDK version number for the ColumnsUI SDK is 6.3.1 and also completely different to the version numbering of ColumnsUI itself.
• An SDK does not equal source code.
Although this was also my first thought, I guess @funnuraba21 is assuming, that foo_dop can be extended by using the SDK to fulfill is wishes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheDefend on 2012-08-08 20:34:23
Just registered and i have to say this

the foo_dop indeed working on ios 5.x.x
although it need to be nudge a lil bit so it will detect the damn music on the ipod list

1st step : upload your music like usual
2nd step : run itunes & press sync
3rd step : click cancel sync on the 2nd step (if not working, try cancelling on the 3rd step)

im not responsible if you had to re-up your music.
least this method work on me


p.s. i tested it on my jailbroken ipad ios 5.1.1
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dubwai on 2012-08-10 05:42:08
Just registered and i have to say this

the foo_dop indeed working on ios 5.x.x
although it need to be nudge a lil bit so it will detect the damn music on the ipod list

1st step : upload your music like usual
2nd step : run itunes & press sync
3rd step : click cancel sync on the 2nd step (if not working, try cancelling on the 3rd step)

im not responsible if you had to re-up your music.
least this method work on me


p.s. i tested it on my jailbroken ipad ios 5.1.1

Playback stat sync worked with this method?
I think to get iPod Touch.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: endoscient on 2012-08-10 15:59:59
Previously before iOS 4 was supported it was possible to make a jail broken device use an older database format that was supported. http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....mp;#entry722266 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=45160&st=3160&p=722266&hl=checkpoint.xml&#entry722266)

Has anyone tried doing something similar with iOS 5 devices?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kareha on 2012-08-10 17:26:13
Previously before iOS 4 was supported it was possible to make a jail broken device use an older database format that was supported. http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....mp;#entry722266 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=45160&st=3160&p=722266&hl=checkpoint.xml&#entry722266)

Has anyone tried doing something similar with iOS 5 devices?


Just triedit and it doesn't work.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheDefend on 2012-08-13 21:03:15
oh btw, the ipad is ipad1, dunno if that method still work with the newer version of ios handheld
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bryter on 2012-08-14 22:49:51
oh btw, the ipad is ipad1, dunno if that method still work with the newer version of ios handheld

I am trying this but it is not working. Are you syncing any music from iTunes itself or have you before doing these steps (any playlist and such)f? Have you checked "Manually manage music and videos" (when iPhone is connected under Summary in iTunes)?
Some more details would be really appreciated.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: db1989 on 2012-08-30 06:47:12
Things that contribute nothing to this thread (disclaimer: not necessarily an exhaustive list):
• complaints about foo_dop’s lack of development
• speculation about whether someone else will develop a replacement
• speculation about musicmusic

Please, either start developing a replacement yourself, or stop posting the same vague musings about some mythical future hero who will. The only reason that I can see to leave this thread open at all now is for questions about existing functionality that can be answered by other users.

I’ve split (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=96762) away the latest round of off-topic posts of the above-emphasised flavour; I’ve only rerained from deleting them outright purely to entertain the minuscule probability they can solicit such a hero.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: flimsy on 2012-09-19 21:35:59
Having this problem when trying to sync my ipod with foobar

'SQLite command failed: 58 values for 59 columns'

any fixes? if there is any one left.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheDefend on 2012-10-01 13:36:44
oh btw, the ipad is ipad1, dunno if that method still work with the newer version of ios handheld

I am trying this but it is not working. Are you syncing any music from iTunes itself or have you before doing these steps (any playlist and such)f? Have you checked "Manually manage music and videos" (when iPhone is connected under Summary in iTunes)?
Some more details would be really appreciated.


Well... i upload the stuff using foobar, and it was undected
next i made it detected by synching the ipad with itunes, stopped it halfway in step2 (cancelled @ preparing to sync)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: chuoiyeu on 2012-10-06 08:05:41
I have two 2 ipod : classic gen 6 & ipod video .


Ipod video has music  transfered by ipod manager in foobar . All things work great . I know our Ipod manager not embed artwork in music file . They located at "artwork" folder in Ipod hdd .

I transfered music from ipod video to gen 6 , but artwork is missing . When transform , only music file transfered , artwork won't display even if I copy "artwork" folder from video to gen 6 .

Could I have any trick to fix it ? Please help me .

// sorry for my poor English
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: csthopper on 2012-10-09 18:17:56
Wanted to post my steps for getting this plugin to work with my Iphone. These steps have worked for me when I had a iPhone 3GS iOS4 & iOS5, and also with my current iPhone 4 with iOS6.

First off, you have to have iTunes installed. I don't think there's anyway around that. Good news, you don't have to keep any sort of music library stored in iTunes.

As stated before, the homepage for the files you'll need are here: http://yuo.be/ipod.php (http://yuo.be/ipod.php)

For the iPhone 4, you need to also download the iPhoneCalc.dll. What is not clear, is that you place this DLL in the root folder for foobar, and NOT the components folder. I can confirm that this DLL was never needed for my 3GS.

Make sure under the iPod manger preferences that you have checked "Enable Mobile Support" under the Mobile tab.

Now use the iPod sync feature in foobar as you normally would.

Once the sync is finished in foobar, close foobar and launch iTunes.

iTunes should detect your phone and display it in the menu. Under the iPhone menu tree, select the Music folder. You should see all the songs foobar copied to your phone.

Double-click a song to have iTunes start playing the song. Once you confirmed the song is playing, stop the song.

At this point you should see the sync icon start to spin in iTunes. This is the little icon that replaces the eject button on the iPhone menu tree. This "sync" is NOT the main iTunes sync process. My guess is that iTunes detects issues with your music database, and corrects it. This seems to be the magical step that fixes whatever problems iPod manager has.

Once the sync icon goes away, and you see the eject button again, eject the phone.

Now look at your iPhone, you should see a refresh icon spinning on your screen header, next to the battery life. Wait for this icon to go away.

Once the refresh icon goes away, you should now see your songs and playlist you copied over from Foobar. It is important to stress that you will not see your playlist and songs on your iPhone until this refresh icon goes away. I'm assuming the iphone is doing some sort of indexing.

Hope this works for others, and I hope this tricks works well into the future.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: trelain on 2012-10-10 12:12:01
And are you by chance also seeing all album artwork displayed properly on your iPhone using this method?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kareha on 2012-10-10 13:57:19
Not working for me, followed everything to the letter as well.  What version of iTunes are you using for this, I've got 10.7 so maybe it needs an older version?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2012-10-10 15:30:45
i'm getting a "Apple Mobile Device: error: AMDeviceStartSession returned E8000013" plugin in my iPOd... i can copy/sync files, they show up proper in iTunes under my "iPod" .. but playing them, doesn't make it sync again.. just nothing happens... also, the artwork seems to work fine...

this is very annoying, foobar copys so fast and have features like replay gain... i cannot believe that there's no workaround..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: csthopper on 2012-10-10 17:28:27
And are you by chance also seeing all album artwork displayed properly on your iPhone using this method?


No, sorry, it never was a goal of mine. I don't see any album art in my collection.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: csthopper on 2012-10-10 17:32:30
Not working for me, followed everything to the letter as well.  What version of iTunes are you using for this, I've got 10.7 so maybe it needs an older version?


I just got my iPhone 4 this week (non-S). Did my above steps with 10.7. What iPhone and iOS version do you have?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2012-10-10 17:42:20
i am using the newst iTunes and an iPOd touch with 5.0.1

to hell with that.. im going back to mediamonkey for synching..
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: amr2 on 2012-10-11 12:38:01
It works for me! Iphone 4S, IOS 5.1.1, Itunes 10.6.3.25, Windows 7 x64
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: ainz on 2012-10-12 00:05:24
How does Spotify handles Artwork (i guess, only embedded is supported)?

Spotify does it's own lookups & downloads of artwork on its desktop client, and copies them to the phone, I think. Or uses the embedded if available. I'm using Spotify, paying for the premium sub (which allows streaming over cellular) and I'm happy with it. Not as happy as I was with this plugin to be honest, but it does the job for me. One bonus is that it syncs over WiFi, so I can load up playlists with hundreds of new tracks and take my phone bedside and it syncs over WiFi with the client left open on the desktop while I'm asleep. The social features are very good, and their library ain't half bad, either. First subscription-based music service I've ever paid for without grumbling.

Thanks for all you did musicmusic, wherever you are. All the best to you.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2012-10-13 08:51:01
Works for me (WinXP SP3, iTunes 10.7.0.21, iPhone4 with 5.1.1), thanks.

Albumart is not working, though... Space available is fairly limited (only 4G free) so I guess I could consider it a "feature".

Nevertheless, if there's a way to add artwork to iPhone songs through iTunes (I do NOT embed it in my files) I'd be interested to hear it.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: skace on 2012-12-07 18:54:38
So, what fearless person has tried the foo_dop sync to iTunes 11. Playing 1 song to see if iTunes 11 will correct the database similar to 10.3.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sonvolt on 2012-12-08 14:24:17
So, what fearless person has tried the foo_dop sync to iTunes 11. Playing 1 song to see if iTunes 11 will correct the database similar to 10.3.

Can confirm i'm on latest ITunes ver.  and still use foo_dop to copy to my Touch , playing one song to get it to show music
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Narwhalsmustdie on 2012-12-23 01:27:31
I'm using foobar2000 1.1.8 on windows 8 and I have a 6th gen iPod classic. When I plug my iPod in, and open foobar, everything is fine, however, when I eject my ipod, all the artists are all out of order. Is there a way to fix this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: screamingtrees on 2012-12-23 18:56:31
I can't seem to find the "update metadata" option anywhere in foobar. In preferences > display > context menu it shows up checked, but it doesn't show up on any context menu I try to bring up. Even on songs that I know are on my ipod, the context menu only brings up "send to ipod" or "sync with ipod". Help?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: slyman on 2013-01-02 03:34:56
is this going to get updated again ever? iOS is on like 6.something now

what kind of stuff is required to make it compatible?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kareha on 2013-01-02 12:06:20
is this going to get updated again ever? iOS is on like 6.something now

what kind of stuff is required to make it compatible?


I'm guessing a new component is needed at this point now.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: slyman on 2013-01-02 23:45:47
is this going to get updated again ever? iOS is on like 6.something now

what kind of stuff is required to make it compatible?


I'm guessing a new component is needed at this point now.

hmm thanks. i'm going to try to look into it. it would be nice if i could get a hold of the developers of this one. (haven't tried yet)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: db1989 on 2013-01-03 01:40:06
If you read just a little bit earlier in this thread, you will see that musicmusic, the sole developer of foo_dop, has not been heard of for over a year, hence the bracketed subtitle added to the title. I imagine plenty of people have tried to reach musicmusic without a reply, so you may want to save the effort.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: slyman on 2013-01-03 02:44:35
If you read just a little bit earlier in this thread, you will see that musicmusic, the sole developer of foo_dop, has not been heard of for over a year, hence the bracketed subtitle added to the title. I imagine plenty of people have tried to reach musicmusic without a reply, so you may want to save the effort.

ah good to know haha
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fangus on 2013-01-08 02:23:49
Hey

So I've got an iPod classic 6G, and on first sync all artwork is added as it should be, however after the first time the database is re-written a lot of the artwork gets removed? It seems random as to what artwork is removed, most of my music is in FLAC with embedded artwork, and I use foo_dop to transcode to AAC. This has happened to me on two seperate ipods, any idea why this is? I'm pretty sure it's not an itunes problem as even if I uninstall it it still happens.

Cheers
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: fanerman91 on 2013-01-21 05:50:37
I've run into a problem.  I plugged in my 160GB iPod classic (not sure what generation) in a computer with iTunes in it and tried transferring a video file to it, but now I'm unable to add any music to the iPod using foo_dop. When I try to do that, I get the following error message:

Quote
Error reading iTunesDB: Invalid format; expected header marker "dbhm" got "ʴ3DI"


(I tried to approximate that symbol before the "3" in "3DI" as best I could.  It's a superscript mirror-image of an "L".

Has anyone seen that error before?

Thanks
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dag0 on 2013-01-21 09:53:00
Did you try in Foobar Main Menu:File/Ipod/Rewrite Database?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Meshens on 2013-03-19 03:15:15
I too have been getting these iTunesDB errors with an iPod 7G 160GB. The first time my iPod could not even be restored and my hard drive was messed up.

I received a replacement device that worked fine for 2 or 3 months maybe, and now I'm back to database errors. I was able to restore it in iTunes and put music on it again, and it continued working for another few days.

Then I tried adding more of my music (I'd rushed to put some of the music I really wanted to listen to on when I restored it) and it seemed to work okay. After having these issues in the past I started using the "Rewrite database" tool each time I connected it to retrieve data for audioscrobbler and then once more before I would eject it.

I eventually get to a point where my iPod shows no music after it's ejected. The file transfers all seem to go okay, and it shows used space on the hard disk. I was even able to rewrite the database and eject without errors. But it doesn't think there are any music files on there and now I'm getting an error similar to fanerman91, except with different header marker text. I can't do anything to the iPod anymore and if I'm lucky iTunes might be able to restore it again.

I'm starting to think there's some terrible bug with foo_dop and these 160GB iPods. I didn't really want to buy an Apple product anyways and I'm considering getting the Sansa Clip+ instead now, but I'd love any suggestions on fixing this. I have a theory it could have to do with it getting past a certain point in usage or maybe a certain weird thing with an artist or filename or something but I haven't received any errors other than the database ones and I've had more space filled than I do at the moment.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: frogworth on 2013-03-19 12:47:47
It's not a matter of some terrible bug in foo_dop.

foo_dop is very old, and the developer, musicmusic, hasn't been seen around here for a long time. The last version available was compatible with iTunes 10.5 beta. For perspective, iTunes 10.5 was released in October 2011.

This component is simply not going to be compatible with the latest version of iTunes, the latest iPods, and definitely not with iPhones running any even vaguely recent iOS version.

There's a reason the thread now has [seemingly abandonware] prepended to its name. It's dead.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: db1989 on 2013-03-19 13:04:07
This forum needs a Like button!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: matt the cat on 2013-03-20 06:02:35
It's not a matter of some terrible bug in foo_dop.

foo_dop is very old, and the developer, musicmusic, hasn't been seen around here for a long time. The last version available was compatible with iTunes 10.5 beta. For perspective, iTunes 10.5 was released in October 2011.

This component is simply not going to be compatible with the latest version of iTunes, the latest iPods, and definitely not with iPhones running any even vaguely recent iOS version.

There's a reason the thread now has [seemingly abandonware] prepended to its name. It's dead.
Which is a real shame to be honest
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Meshens on 2013-03-20 23:10:05
Just because the software is abandoned doesn't mean it's not a bug.

There should be a lot more warning and information on any pages related to it stating what you just posted.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: marc2003 on 2013-03-20 23:15:50
it's all there if you actually bother to look....

http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#supported_models (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#supported_models)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: KKKoL on 2013-03-21 04:27:37
i just got a free 32gb ipod touch (not sure what generation, but it has the 6.1.3 iOS)

i have ipod manager, itunes and quicktime, the nero aac codec, have enabled mobile support and have the new foo_dop, but foobar STILL won't recognize my ipod

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Meshens on 2013-03-21 06:15:36
it's all there if you actually bother to look....

http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#supported_models (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start#supported_models)


I'm fairly certain the "6G (classic 2009 160GB)" listed there is what most people call the seventh generation.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: marc2003 on 2013-03-21 07:45:05
but it has the 6.1.3 iOS


which was released 2 days ago. again if you look at the supported model list i posted, foo_dop only works up to version 4.

I'm fairly certain the "6G (classic 2009 160GB)" listed there is what most people call the seventh generation.


is it running the same firmware that was about in 2009? i'm guessing not. software is the problem here. apple keep pushing updates that break any work that 3rd parties do for people to access hardware they paid for using programs other than itunes. if you want to moan at somebody, i'd start with them.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: db1989 on 2013-03-21 08:32:14
Just because the software is abandoned doesn't mean it's not a bug.

There should be a lot more warning and information on any pages related to it stating what you just posted.

‘The software should have the power to time-travel into the future and develop support for all possible iPods in advance; to do otherwise is indicative of a problem in its programming.’

Really? Really?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Meshens on 2013-03-21 12:37:43
Lol, you guys are so ridiculous here. Just because the bug came into existence after the plugin was released doesn't mean it isn't a bug.

I never implied anything about it or asked anyone to fix the plugin. I only asked if anyone else had a similar issue that they were able to resolve and also wanted to warn people.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: chileboy on 2013-03-21 13:39:03
Makes me glad I'm still using an iPod Video 5.5, which hasn't seen an update in a long time - and still works perfectly with foo_dop and latest fb2k
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Propheticus on 2013-03-21 14:13:53
Or just install the Rockbox (http://www.rockbox.org/) custom firmware so you can add music the drag-n-drop style or use the file manager/synchronisation app of your choice (i.e. total commander and/or teracopy). (With this firmware the iPod behaves like an external disc).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Meshens on 2013-03-21 21:20:12
Or just install the Rockbox (http://www.rockbox.org/) custom firmware so you can add music the drag-n-drop style or use the file manager/synchronisation app of your choice (i.e. total commander and/or teracopy). (With this firmware the iPod behaves like an external disc).


Oh man, the only reason I wasn't using this before is because it makes my iPod incompatible with my dock and so I'd have to use the auxiliary plug. But I'd have to do this with a different player anyways. Thanks for bringing that up.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: chileboy on 2013-03-21 23:24:46
I use Rockbox mostly and love it, but it isn't compatible with my car system, so I have to dual-boot into the original firmware - which means I still have to build the iTunes database...hence foo_dop...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: JackElliott on 2013-06-03 17:01:07
I'm reorganizing my media library and how I do it will depend on the answer to this.

I have nearly 29,000 songs on an external HD. They are in several hundred folders. mp3s and m4as, mainly.

I'd like to use fb2k's synchronize all feature, but I want to be able to skip two or three folders (with subfolders) that contain WAVs and FLACs and similar large files. I already have lossy versions in the other folders.

Of course, I want to keep the lossless files on hand to play in fb2k, but I don't need them converted then loaded into the iPod when synching because, as mentioned, I already have them in the other folders.

So I'd like to do synch all EXCEPT for a few folders.

Of course I could move them to another drive or a higher-level directory, and I will if fb2k doesn't have a peachy way to skip them during iPod synch.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2013-06-03 19:54:12
I want to be able to skip two or three folders (with subfolders) that contain WAVs and FLACs and similar large files.
Couldn't you make an autoplaylist filtered by %codec%?

HTH.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: JackElliott on 2013-06-04 00:38:27
"Couldn't you make an autoplaylist filtered by %codec%?"

Saaay -- that's a pretty good idea! Before I start hacking around and getting confused -- will the autoplaylist retain the folder structure of the library?

Heck, I don't know whether fb2k's "synch all to ipod" feature in fb2k retains the folder structure, either. This mainly because after a while it hit some .WAVs, etc., and slowed 'way down for conversion and I just stopped the process.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2013-06-04 09:13:08
will the autoplaylist retain the folder structure of the library?
Not sure what you mean. An autoplaylist is just a list of songs in your library meeting certain criteria, it doesn't affect the physical structure of your files in any way. If you are referring to folder structure on the iPod, I don't think it's preserved, but why would you care?

Alessandro

PS: are you aware this plugin is no longer developped and won't probably work with new(ish) iPod/iTunes/firmware versions?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: db1989 on 2013-06-04 11:42:44
Referring to iPod-related features as belonging to foobar2000 itself, e.g. “fb2k's synchronise all feature” is incorrect as official components provide no interface for i*devices. Hence why you are posting in this thread for a third-party plugin, I presume. foo_dop provides these features, not fb2k.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: JackElliott on 2013-06-04 13:30:49
db1989: Thanks for the reminder.

mobyduck: Well, what I've got here is a media library 29,000 songs but no playlists. It is sorted into folders and subfolders by Artist, or by musical style, etc., I've never bothered to build playlists as that kind of organization works fine for me. And I've got this 160MB iPod that had some problems so I just simply restored it to factory settings. Now I'd like to stuff all those songs onto it, but I'd not like to have to build playlists and find homes for 29,000 songs in all the playlists.

A flat autoplaylist would not be of much help, since it would have a Beastie Boys song right next to a Coltrane song right next to an aria from a opera right next to Jay-Z. And if I'm in the mood for some EDM that might be difficult. ID3 tags won't be helpful as a substantial number of my mp3s are missing tags.

Maybe I can find an iPod management tool that can create playlists based on folder names.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2013-06-05 17:38:29
Maybe I'm not understanding exactly what you're trying to do, but what you're saying doesn't quite make sense.

iPods work almost entirely on file metadata for track selection and sorting. Where the audio files are concerned, it does not use an organizational directory hierarchy, unless you're using a third-party firmware (like Rockbox) that is designed to work that way.

Metadata won't matter if you're using a Shuffle or some other iPod that does not have an interface beyond the play and forward/back buttons. Even then, you'll still need a way to sort the files in whatever program you're using to copy them over to the iPod regardless of whether that program is iTunes or foobar2000 (via foo_dop).

While assigning proper metadata is not the only way to accomplish this, it is one I strongly recommend.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: franciobr on 2013-06-20 15:14:29
Hi Guys!

I am a longtime user of foobar and the ipod manager, but I had a crash on my old computer and I am having trouble getting the components on the new one.
At http://yuo.be/ipod.php (http://yuo.be/ipod.php) the ipodmanager is available and can be downloaded but the IphoneCalclibrary, which is necessary to run the manager at my ipod nano 6th gen is not (the link is broken...missing file at mediafire).

Can anyone please help me out on finding the IphoneCalclibrary file? I looked quite a bit but had no luck. Think of me as a really hot girl in need of help, apparently doomed to download the loathsome Itunes unless a hero shows up to help the beauty in distress =P!

Thanks!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: franciobr on 2013-06-26 16:11:32
Bump!
Please , can someone point me out to a place where I can download the IphoneCalc library? I want to use foobar as my ipod manager but with the link of download offline I cant.

Thanks,
Frãncio
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Stirring Desert on 2013-06-27 17:35:15
Hey guys. I have an embarrassing question: is there a way to add a song to an existing playlist (or change its position)? I use iPod Shuffle so I can't really do it from the player and I can't find how to modify contents in any way other then deleting or uploading.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Mevordel on 2013-07-03 21:59:14
Bump!
Please , can someone point me out to a place where I can download the IphoneCalc library? I want to use foobar as my ipod manager but with the link of download offline I cant.

Thanks,
Frãncio


First hit on google searching for the filename. Works on iOS 6.1.3.
http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic...f=7&t=66878 (http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=66878)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: CaleTheKing on 2013-07-17 17:28:32
I have an iPhone 4s with 6.1.3 and I am using the latest versions of both iPodManager and Foobar2000...I got the iPhoneCalc.dll from the media monkey link. My old gen 2 nano is working fine, but foobar refuses to recognize my iphone. In the console, it says "iPod manager: Error: AMDeviceNotificationSubscribe returned E8000063".

I would like to know how to fix this as I would prefer not going back to iTunes...

iPhone OS: 6.1.3 (10B329)
Windows OS: Windows 8 Pro
Foobar version: Full installation v1.2.9
iPod manager version: 0.6.9.7
iPhoneCalc.dll from here: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic...f=7&t=66878 (http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=66878)

Apple Application Support v1.5.1
Apple Mobile Device Support v3.4.0.25
iTunes is not installed on my machine

Thanks for any help you all are able to provide! 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Mevordel on 2013-07-21 18:59:28
I have an iPhone 4s with 6.1.3 and I am using the latest versions of both iPodManager and Foobar2000...I got the iPhoneCalc.dll from the media monkey link. My old gen 2 nano is working fine, but foobar refuses to recognize my iphone. In the console, it says "iPod manager: Error: AMDeviceNotificationSubscribe returned E8000063".

I would like to know how to fix this as I would prefer not going back to iTunes...

iPhone OS: 6.1.3 (10B329)
Windows OS: Windows 8 Pro
Foobar version: Full installation v1.2.9
iPod manager version: 0.6.9.7
iPhoneCalc.dll from here: http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic...f=7&t=66878 (http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=66878)

Apple Application Support v1.5.1
Apple Mobile Device Support v3.4.0.25
iTunes is not installed on my machine

Thanks for any help you all are able to provide! 


I don't know about the error, but please realize that as reported in post #3806 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=810985) you still need iTunes to have music show up on your iPhone even if you can get fb2k to transfer it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bratman on 2013-08-03 01:46:53
Is there a way to add my ipod library to columns ui filter? I can't view my ipod by artists then albums like my library. Clicking ipod view just shows it in elplaylist/graphical browser as the albums. i want to be able to see the artist then albums.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: eahm on 2013-08-03 01:49:56
I don't know about the error, but please realize that as reported in post #3806 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=45160&view=findpost&p=810985) you still need iTunes to have music show up on your iPhone even if you can get fb2k to transfer it.

Probably even just this one is fine instead of the full iTunes: http://download.cnet.com/CopyTrans-Drivers...4-75300288.html (http://download.cnet.com/CopyTrans-Drivers-Installer/3000-18546_4-75300288.html)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Bratman on 2013-08-03 03:18:21
Okay I added my music folder from the ipod in disk mode to foobars media library. then i added an ipod tag to all the music on the ipod and then i used ipod IS True as a filter. this works perfectly but it doesn't work for ipod touch since u can't add the songs from the ipod touch as it cant be put in disk mode
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: toddrizzle on 2013-08-14 03:37:26
So I just got foobar to finally recognize my iphone 4.  But when I upload the music to it the iphone doesn't seem to recognize it.  It's not in my Music folder and I can't figure out where on the phone it actually is.  But if I have foobar call the media from the iphone, it finds all of the music I just put on.  Itunes recognizes the music as 'Other' (I am forced to using it until I can get this issue figured out). 

Does anyone have an idea of what could be happening?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: penfold1992 on 2013-10-07 21:30:04
So I just got foobar to finally recognize my iphone 4.  But when I upload the music to it the iphone doesn't seem to recognize it.  It's not in my Music folder and I can't figure out where on the phone it actually is.  But if I have foobar call the media from the iphone, it finds all of the music I just put on.  Itunes recognizes the music as 'Other' (I am forced to using it until I can get this issue figured out). 

Does anyone have an idea of what could be happening?


I have the same problem. foobar can call the media back up but the ipod doesnt appear to recognize it at all. I dont know what the reason behind this is, whether its an issue with foobar or ipod or the firmware but im going to assume its to do with firmware.

I am running IOS 7 if that helps at all
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: eahm on 2013-10-07 22:09:58
The website says it doesn't even support iOS 5, how can you guys pretend it will work with iOS 7?

Use CopyTrans if you don't like iTunes.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: penfold1992 on 2013-10-07 22:23:16
The website says it doesn't even support iOS 5, how can you guys pretend it will work with iOS 7?

Use CopyTrans if you don't like iTunes.


CopyTrans wont convert FLAC files on the fly, thats why.

and it does support IOS 5 and 6, if you read a few posts back, people have had no problems with it on 5 and 6.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: viewfinder on 2013-11-04 10:17:25
I have nearly full functionality in iOS 7. You just have to 'find' the library by playing something from the library through itunes while it's tethered. Then just restart the phone and things should be recognized. I have experienced no other issues.


iTunes is terribly optimized and it can't handle large music libraries. The problem is made worse with a big display. It tries to cache thousands of images. sillyness.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: penfold1992 on 2013-12-13 22:28:29
I have nearly full functionality in iOS 7. You just have to 'find' the library by playing something from the library through itunes while it's tethered. Then just restart the phone and things should be recognized. I have experienced no other issues.


iTunes is terribly optimized and it can't handle large music libraries. The problem is made worse with a big display. It tries to cache thousands of images. sillyness.


but i dont want itunes... so putting music onto my ipod through foobar, having to play the song through itunes and then rebooting my phone doesnt make a lot of sense.

why wouldnt i not use itunes to move the music at that point?
Also, that doesnt work for me 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Gohla on 2014-01-13 14:42:57
I'd like to develop a component similar to this one, but working properly with the latest IOS. I can figure out how the foobar2000 SDK works, but I have no idea how to interact with iTunes and/or iOS devices to put music on the device. It seems the iPhoneCalc library is used to do all this, but I cannot find any documentation on it at all. Does anyone have any information about the iPhoneCalc library, or information on how to put music on an iOS device programmatically?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: MaxDread on 2014-01-22 23:18:57
Hi all

I'm only just starting to get to grips with all this stuff...... 

I'll soon be ripping a large music collection for use with an iPod Classic 160gb.  If possible I would prefer not to embed album art, so that I can save space.  I've read in a couple of places that foo_dop is capable of transferring the folder.jpg to an ipod without embedding it to the mp3.

1.  Please could someone confirm whether this is the case.

2.  If it is, could someone please explain HOW it works, and how much storage it takes in this method compared to embedding? 

3.  Are there downsides to doing it this way?

Many thanks

Max
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2014-01-23 07:59:43
1.  Please could someone confirm whether this is the case.
It used to be, but I'm not sure it still works: this component is no longer developed, unfortunately, so it probably has compatibility issues with recent hardware/firmware versions.
could someone please explain HOW it works
From memory, you define the pattern where your album art resides and the component retrieves it when transferring and stores it into an iPod repository (resizing as appropriate, IIRC).
and how much storage it takes in this method compared to embedding?
No idea, but I doubt it makes a big difference. Also, I don't know if iDevices actually use the embedded art (I don't embed) or simply fetch it and then store it in the above mentioned repository.
3.  Are there downsides to doing it this way?
IF your iPod can use the embedded image and you want to use foo_dop, you might have better luck embedding.

As a side note, are you ripping to lossless? This component can convert to lossy on the fly when transferring to iPod (again, it used to work this way: haven't tried recently), not sure about iTunes or other software.

HTH.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2014-01-23 09:17:46
1.  Please could someone confirm whether this is the case.
Yes it does work with folder.jpg. i have no embedded art and all the Folder.jpg are picked up and scaled down correctly for the ipod

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2.  If it is, could someone please explain HOW it works, and how much storage it takes in this method compared to embedding?
I think all the art work gets put in to a few files with a .ithmb ext in the iPod_Control\Artwork folder and links them to the files some how. i have about 10,000 songs on my ipod and these .ithmb files total to 180MB

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3.  Are there downsides to doing it this way?
I've seen no downsides doing it this way

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: MaxDread on 2014-01-23 17:41:41
It used to be, but I'm not sure it still works: this component is no longer developed, unfortunately, so it probably has compatibility issues with recent hardware/firmware versions.


If anyone reading has a modern iPod Classic and is able to confirm either way, that would be most helpful. 

From memory, you define the pattern where your album art resides and the component retrieves it when transferring and stores it into an iPod repository (resizing as appropriate, IIRC).


I think I get it.  Someone else on another forum said "Non-embedded album art is added to the iPod's database file, it is then associated with certain files. This will save you space if you sync a lot of albums to your iPod. For example, you have one image that is 1MB in size. You sync 9 songs from an album, that uses that image, to your iPod. That means that the iPod's database will increase by 1MB as the album art is attached. It saves space compared to embedding the art as the iPod's space decreases by only 1MB instead of 9MB (i.e. 1MB per file, 9MB total for 9 songs)."

Don't know if foobar is doing the same or something similar.

I doubt it makes a big difference [to size]. Also, I don't know if iDevices actually use the embedded art (I don't embed) or simply fetch it and then store it in the above mentioned repository.


I think it might make a small but significant-ish difference.  I calculated roughly that embedded art on a full 160gb iPod woud total around 1GB.  Doing it with just folder.jpg should be around a tenth of that I think.  So that could save 900MB.  Not huge, but might be worth having. 

Whether iThings do or don't use embedded art, I guess the bottom line is that if you embed your file sizes are large.  That's the significant factor in my case anyhow. 

As a side note, are you ripping to lossless? This component can convert to lossy on the fly when transferring to iPod (again, it used to work this way: haven't tried recently), not sure about iTunes or other software.


I'll be ripping to both (FLAC and mp3) but will be using dbPowermap for that. 

Yes it does work with folder.jpg. i have no embedded art and all the Folder.jpg are picked up and scaled down correctly for the ipod


I've seen no downsides doing it this way


Fantastic news!  Which model/generation iPod do you have? 

I think all the art work gets put in to a few files with a .ithmb ext in the iPod_Control\Artwork folder and links them to the files some how. i have about 10,000 songs on my ipod and these .ithmb files total to 180MB


Sounds like that must be the database that has been mentioned elsewhere.  The size makes sense too.  Presumably some of your artwork is larger (seeing as you say it gets scaled down) that the necessary 320x320?


From a man to two ducks >>>  thank you both so much for the help.  Much appreciated. 

Max (Massimo)


Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2014-01-23 18:35:54
foo_dop does do the conversion from FLAC to MP3\AAC\ALAC on the fly. It works extremely well using 1 conversion per core. There is no real point to having a lossless and lossy library if it's just for the iPod.

I have a 6th gen 160GB iPod Classic. 6 years old and still going strong

About 95% of my album art is 1000x1000

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: MaxDread on 2014-01-23 19:24:43
Thank you.

The FLAC files will be for use on my PC (which is my main playback device).  I'll be getting rid of CDs altogether. 

Would be good to hear whether the same is true with a 7th Gen iPod and that foo_dop works with the more modern hardware/firmware versions.

Cheers
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2014-01-24 11:46:34
I have an iPhone4 6GB (a couple of years old, more or less) firmware 5.1.1.

I wasn't able to transfer albumart, while I had zero problems with my previous iPhone (don't remember the exact model). To be honest, I didn't try too hard because it's no big deal for me, so YMMV.

I suggest you do a quick test with a single song... and let us know how it works.

Cheers.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: slayerdemon555 on 2014-01-25 21:53:14
Hello everyone.

I recently installed the RockBox software onto my 5.5 Gen Ipod video. When the software (Rockbox) is running on my ipod I am unable to add or delete files in foobar. When I attempt this, I recieve the error message

"Failed to query device properties. Write operations are disabled."

I have found some other suggestions to fix this problem through google (such as updating my computer with drivers stored in the itunes installer) but I have not had any luck.

Does anyone know how to fix this error?

Thank you for your help everyone.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: MaxDread on 2014-01-28 00:58:40
Hi all

I know the "Apple Mobile Device Support" is needed for foo_dop to work with an iPod Classic.  I've found a few options to get this on a system without having to install iTunes.

Most of these methods also say that "QuickTime.msi" needs to be installed as well.  Is this the case with foo_dop?  Or is AppleMobileDeviceSupport.msi the only thing needed?

Cheers

Max

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: edmondhk on 2014-02-15 17:03:31
How can I sync wav with cue to my ipod? it always show "files with chapters are not currently supported by foo_dop"
but my others ape/flac with cue can convert fine
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: chavecat on 2014-03-09 03:40:46
Need help
I have most of my music in flac and when I send them to my ipod touch 1G it converts them to mp3 using LAME
The problem is that the contents of the UNSYNCED LYRICS tags turn into "."
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lettuceman44 on 2014-04-23 13:23:11
So I'm just gonna take a guess and say that foo_dop no longer works for ios7?

Unfortunately, that means I'm gonna have to find a new media player. The one thing I hate more than iTunes is having multiple programs that do the same thing on my computer.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Der Internet on 2014-04-27 02:44:43
So I'm just gonna take a guess and say that foo_dop no longer works for ios7?

Unfortunately, that means I'm gonna have to find a new media player. The one thing I hate more than iTunes is having multiple programs that do the same thing on my computer.


your sir are guessing right. some people claim to use it with their old 160GB iPods, but anything newer will be a pain in your ass 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gkl on 2014-05-09 19:50:55
Sorry to bump this topic, but maybe someone else has had a similar problem. I recently got an iPod Nano 7th gen. I have the latest version of foobar and foo_dop, Apple Mobile Device Support and Apple Application Support have been installed and I have iPhoneCalc.dll in foobar installation folder. And yet when I want to send music to my iPod, I get the followin error - "Failed to query SQL process commands. Check ipod driver is installed. Write operations are disabled."

Anyone have had it as well? Any solutions? Or am I out of luck and have to install iTunes?  I only use foobar and with my iPod nano 3rd gen it worked perfectly.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2014-05-10 16:28:10
I can confirm that I can still use it to manage my Generation 6 iPod Classic, which runs v2.0.4 of the iPod firmware (as opposed to iOS). Due to the abandoned nature of this plugin, using it with any newer device will probably be impossible.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gkl on 2014-05-11 03:55:19
Is it known whether there are any alternatives in the works? After now using iTunes just to copy music, I realize how used I got to the awesomeness of this component compared to that crap...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: penfold1992 on 2014-06-08 00:16:34
Is it known whether there are any alternatives in the works? After now using iTunes just to copy music, I realize how used I got to the awesomeness of this component compared to that crap...

i feel like foobar is going to be used less and less as ipods cant be used. I do not want to use my phone as a mp3 player due to it wasting lots of battery and unfortunately, ipods are the only mp3 players worth buying...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: benben on 2014-06-28 15:21:04
Hi,

could someone please upload the latest iphonecalc.dll? The Mediafire-link on the website is down.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Sarmatios on 2014-07-04 16:04:46
Hi,

could someone please upload the latest iphonecalc.dll? The Mediafire-link on the website is down.


While googling for iphonecalc.dll I found out about a program called Moborobo (http://www.moborobo.com) that has the dll. Just install it go to it's directory and copy the dll.

Works like a charm.

Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RavenGT on 2014-07-06 20:58:42
I somehow got past the SQL write error without knowing it but whatever.

---

Syncing with iTunes will put your songs in F00 folder structures with scrambled filenames.
Sending using foo_dop will do the same but uses your own filenames, but truncated.

My issue is I'm afraid foo_dop will, by chance, put 2 different songs in the same folder with identical filenames. For example, two completely different "Intro.mp3" in F05.

What can I do to avoid this issue? I cannot include the artist name in the filename pattern since it will probably be truncated.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zek15 on 2014-07-08 03:36:43
Hi guys I'm having a problem I can't figure out how to solve.

I recently moved foobar from one computer to another and was able to move all my configurations and settings.  However, I'm having an issue with the iPod manager plugin.

I was able to view all the music on my ipod.  I was also able to remove all the music on my ipod.  I am unable to reload my music to my ipod.  Foobar crashes anytime I attempt to synchronize.  I am still using my other computer as well and I am able to load music on the ipod with no problems.  I was planning on moving to this new computer permanently  so I would like to get this working.

I am using the same components in both foobar installations.  I verified that the encoders work under the ipod preferences.  I also encoded some of my FLAC files to AAC, and then tried loading those files and still got a crash.

This was the case with both 0.6.9.7 and 0.6.9.6.  My working installation is using 0.6.9.6 

I'm relatively new to foobar so I'm not sue what information you guys would need to help me trouble shoot this.  Thanks for the help in advance!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zek15 on 2014-07-09 01:55:12
Hi guys I'm having a problem I can't figure out how to solve.

I recently moved foobar from one computer to another and was able to move all my configurations and settings.  However, I'm having an issue with the iPod manager plugin.

I was able to view all the music on my ipod.  I was also able to remove all the music on my ipod.  I am unable to reload my music to my ipod.  Foobar crashes anytime I attempt to synchronize.  I am still using my other computer as well and I am able to load music on the ipod with no problems.  I was planning on moving to this new computer permanently  so I would like to get this working.

I am using the same components in both foobar installations.  I verified that the encoders work under the ipod preferences.  I also encoded some of my FLAC files to AAC, and then tried loading those files and still got a crash.

This was the case with both 0.6.9.7 and 0.6.9.6.  My working installation is using 0.6.9.6 

I'm relatively new to foobar so I'm not sue what information you guys would need to help me trouble shoot this.  Thanks for the help in advance!



So I don't know why I didn't think to check this before but I noticed that the foobar version on my new computer was 1.3.2 and my old computer was 1.3.1.  Luckily I still had the old 1.3.1 installer and loaded that on my new computer and now I am able to add songs to my iPod again.

I guess this means that foo_dop 0.6.9.6 is not compatible with the latest stable release of foobar?  Has anyone else experienced something similar?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RavenGT on 2014-07-09 09:50:31
This isn't documented anywhere on http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start) so I thought I'd post this here in case if anyone came from Google search looking for an answer.

It says Nano 7th Generation only requires iPhonecalc.dll, but apparently you also need to be on 1.0.2 firmware. Updating to 1.0.3 will break foo_dop functionality and give you the usual SQL write error.

Acquire iPod_1.0.2_37A20067.ipsw and shift click [Restore iPod...] in iTunes to downgrade back to 1.0.2. You need "Manually manage music and videos" checked but you do not need to preload any music using iTunes first as some suggested.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: theyort on 2014-07-12 08:24:50
hi guys,

after a reinstall of my PC, i'm looking for iPhonecalc.dll, unable to find it on the web.
Is there anyone can put a share for this file?

Thanks a lot in advance

Theyort
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gkl on 2014-07-17 12:10:48
This isn't documented anywhere on http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start) so I thought I'd post this here in case if anyone came from Google search looking for an answer.

It says Nano 7th Generation only requires iPhonecalc.dll, but apparently you also need to be on 1.0.2 firmware. Updating to 1.0.3 will break foo_dop functionality and give you the usual SQL write error.

Acquire iPod_1.0.2_37A20067.ipsw and shift click [Restore iPod...] in iTunes to downgrade back to 1.0.2. You need "Manually manage music and videos" checked but you do not need to preload any music using iTunes first as some suggested.


Thank you so much for this tip! I did as you told and it works like a charm now.

@theyort
Do as Sarmatios told before. Or alternatively you can get it from installing MediaMonkey as well.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2014-07-17 18:50:44
[I had a Zune 120GB that was lost or stolen. I am familiar with the Zune and Window Media Player software. I want to use Foobar with this plugin. I am hoping that Foobar will allow me to "point" it to my collection [MP3s only] "My Music", but on a storage drive, not my system drive. With both Zune software and WMP, after doing this all of your music is detected and displayed and ready to sync. This is what I am hoping to get with Foobar.]

Q: What is the latest version of foo_dop? I ask because Foobar Web Site (http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_dop) indicates v0.6.8.7? However, this (http://yuo.be/ipod.php), indicates v0.6.8.9?

My device is iPod Classic 160GB 7th Gen from Amazon.com

Q: Has anyone used MGTEK dopisp (http://www.mgtek.com/dopisp/)? This development on this seems to have stopped in the beginning of 2012. I ask because this "might" allow me to user WMP with iPod, but cost $$. The foo_dop is free and seems to have a lot of features.

This is my first step. I'm hoping that Foobar w/foo_dop will me to sync my music more or less easily to my iPod. And, if so, I can play around more later.

EDIT: I've been searching some more about this plug-in. Does this work with a 7th Gen iPod at all?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RavenGT on 2014-07-19 02:08:52
Q: What is the latest version of foo_dop? I ask because Foobar Web Site (http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_dop) indicates v0.6.8.7? However, this (http://yuo.be/ipod.php), indicates v0.6.8.9?


You probably read it wrong because both pages say 6.9.7.

As for Zune, WMP, iPod Classic, I'm afraid I can't help you. My Nano 7g was the first Apple device I bought.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2014-07-19 02:25:15
Q: What is the latest version of foo_dop? I ask because Foobar Web Site (http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_dop) indicates v0.6.8.7? However, this (http://yuo.be/ipod.php), indicates v0.6.8.9?


You probably read it wrong because both pages say 6.9.7.

As for Zune, WMP, iPod Classic, I'm afraid I can't help you. My Nano 7g was the first Apple device I bought.


Sorry, I mis-read the version. It says "experimental"? What has your experience using it been like?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RavenGT on 2014-07-19 06:57:12
What has your experience using it been like?

As long as the device is supported, it works as it should
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2014-07-20 00:19:53
What has your experience using it been like?

As long as the device is supported, it works as it should


I forgot to ask. Are you using v0.6.9.7?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RavenGT on 2014-07-20 00:31:21
I forgot to ask. Are you using v0.6.9.7?


I am but my device is a Nano 7g. That iPod works confirmed.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2014-07-22 01:45:58
[Sorry, I meant for this to be posted in the foo_dop thread]

[I got album dates displaying: ['['%date%']'] %album% (got this from a tutorial on foo_dop)]

My question is does it make sense to try to get track numbers displaying next to titles? This is what I got using my Zune. And, what here (http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Foobar2000:Titleformat_Reference#.25title.25) should I use to do this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2014-07-22 03:04:48
[I got album dates displaying: ['['%date%']'] %album% (got this from a tutorial on foo_dop)]

My question is does it make sense to try to get track numbers displaying next to titles? This is what I got using my Zune. And, what here (http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Foobar2000:Title_Formatting_Reference) should I use to do this? My first attempt was to iPod Manager>Field == Title and Mapping == %tracknumber%-%title%. I tried "Synchronize" alone. Next, I tried rewrite database and then "Synchronize". Obviously, I'm not getting the format correctly and/or there are other steps I need to do?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Jorchking on 2014-07-22 15:57:41
I have problems, I had do all the tips and notes for iPod Touch, but when I try to load library says "error: no ipod "
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RavenGT on 2014-07-22 18:15:28
[I got album dates displaying: ['['%date%']'] %album% (got this from a tutorial on foo_dop)]

My question is does it make sense to try to get track numbers displaying next to titles? This is what I got using my Zune. And, what here (http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Foobar2000:Title_Formatting_Reference) should I use to do this? My first attempt was to iPod Manager>Field == Title and Mapping == %tracknumber%-%title%. I tried "Synchronize" alone. Next, I tried rewrite database and then "Synchronize". Obviously, I'm not getting the format correctly and/or there are other steps I need to do?


You shouldn't have to touch field mapping settings. dop knows to use the song's %artist% for the iPod's %artist% mapping automatically. What you are trying to do (displaying things) has nothing to do with dop. I also can't help you because I'm not a foobar expert.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2014-07-22 20:43:24
[I got album dates displaying: ['['%date%']'] %album% (got this from a tutorial on foo_dop)]

My question is does it make sense to try to get track numbers displaying next to titles? This is what I got using my Zune. And, what here (http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Foobar2000:Title_Formatting_Reference) should I use to do this? My first attempt was to iPod Manager>Field == Title and Mapping == %tracknumber%-%title%. I tried "Synchronize" alone. Next, I tried rewrite database and then "Synchronize". Obviously, I'm not getting the format correctly and/or there are other steps I need to do?


You shouldn't have to touch field mapping settings. dop knows to use the song's %artist% for the iPod's %artist% mapping automatically. What you are trying to do (displaying things) has nothing to do with dop. I also can't help you because I'm not a foobar expert.


[I got album dates displaying: ['['%date%']'] %album% (got this from a tutorial on foo_dop) after my first sync]

I got the idea from a WiKi[fied] article from What.CD that was passed on to me by a member there [who does not much about foobar]. It helped me setup foo_dop. But, it also had an example of how to display album dates along with the album name which I found useful. So, I now have album dates displayed next to the album name. And, this is what showed me that it should be possible to display track numbers alongside song titles in a similar manner in your iPod. It's all about syntax. But, there may be more steps involved. i.e. After doing your initial sync, and you make a change in formatting, how do you get these changes to take place in the iPod?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2014-07-26 01:30:58
I just noticed two apple/iPod services/programs running in the background: "ipodservice.exe" and "ituneshelper.exe". Are either of these necessary for the iPod function? Or, for foo_dop to function?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2014-07-29 01:33:00
All of my music is stored in My Music [on a storage drive]. There is one sub-folder for each artist. For each artist, there can be many sub-folders for each album. I have the foo_bar media library pointing to this folder - My Music. I've been able to sync successfully.

One exception is an artist folder that is actually a collection of MP3s named "Rolling Stones 500 Greatest Songs of All time". All 500 songs are contained in this folder. And, I have a playlist in this folder [playlist.m3u] that was created and worked well in my Zune software. This does not seem to work well in Foobar. How can I re-create this playlist to include all of these 500 songs and work properly in Foobar and properly sync to iPod using foo_dop? For that matter, where would this playlist be stored in the Foobar scenario? I  just want this to display as an album would display: all 500 tracks listed. Right now this playlist.m3u does display under the "Playlists" menu item in the iPod [or anywhere that I can find].
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: alex955 on 2014-07-30 12:48:04
Hi,

I've deleted some tracks from my iPod as explained in the documentation (load ipod library, delete tracks from it). The files were deleted from the ipod but still appear on it in the menus. (But when I play them, nothing happens). I've tried rewriting the database but it didn't help...

Any solutions?

Thanks

Alex
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sergey_parakovsky on 2014-08-02 19:09:10
Can someone reupload iphonecalc.dll, please? It seems to be deleted from mediafire and upload it to the hosting that is not blocked by russian authorities (as mediafire does).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2014-08-23 01:37:49
I want to change the database as in this (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:database). My example that works right now for compilation is this:
Code: [Select]
$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,%ipod_compilation%)
Right now when I click on Compilation in my iPod I get 1 album that meets this criteria.
I want to alter this so that albums with "greatest", "best of", "boxed", etc. will be recognized as compilations. Someone is helping with the coding here (http://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=106704).
But, I need to figure out how to update the iPod to reflect this change to the database as well?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RavenGT on 2014-08-23 02:02:39
Right now when I click on Compilation in my iPod I get 1 album that meets this criteria.
I want to alter this so that albums with "greatest", "best of", "boxed", etc. will be recognized as compilations.


I don't want to reply in both threads but why are you making this so hard on yourself?

Your iPod will automatically pick up any album with "Various Artists" as the Album Artist and insert itself into the Compilations section of your iPod interface.

This requires literally zero manual effort and maintenance because anything such as "Greatest Hits", "Best of", or anything related to record label compilations, your album artist should already be "Various Artists" if your music library is organized and you follow tagging standards.

tl;dr

"Various Artists" as %album artist% is the key.

If you don't want to rely on the above criteria, which is automatic, you can tag your album with %compilation% and set it to 1 to brute force it. This should be your secondary solution because this does require manual effort.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2014-08-23 02:57:50
@RavenGT
I think the author of foo_dop allowed this database configuration because it is flexible. Your music collection does not have to be tagged correctly if you use it (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:database)? i.e. You only need to change the mapping to change the definition of what defines a compilation?
It may take a few tries to get the syntax right. But, it seems as if the hard part is to figure out how to effect these changes in the iPod w/o syncing your entire music collection all over again?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: RavenGT on 2014-08-23 06:30:25
I think the author of foo_dop allowed this


Actually yes this is a very important I completely forgot to mention. This behavior with "Various Artists" being automatically interpreted is because of foo_dop. I forgot if I had done anything myself but my compilation mapping is already configured to
Code: [Select]
$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,%ipod_compilation%)
and works right away.

When you're done, open iPod View in foobar, right click then click update (rewrite?) iPod database. I'm not 100% certain but it should work just like that.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2014-08-23 16:05:38
...snip...
When you're done, open iPod View in foobar, right click then click update (rewrite?) iPod database. I'm not 100% certain but it should work just like that.

I have tried a few things, but have not got this part to work. From foo_dop (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:database):
Quote
Use the update metadata command to update existing tracks on the iPod

After changing these settings, you can apply them to existing tracks on the iPod by:

On the File menu, point to iPod, and then click Load library.
On the shortcut menu for the affected tracks, point to iPod, and then click Update metadata on iPod.
After changing these settings, you can manually apply them by:

On the File menu, point to iPod, and then click Rewrite database.


"On the shortcut menu for the affected tracks, point to iPod, and then click Update metadata on iPod.": This is the piece that I can not find? I seem to be missing something here. i.e. I tried "Load Library" followed by "Rewrite Database", but it not seem to have any effect.

EDIT: I have only one view and that is integrated in Foobar and that is Facets [and I forgot how I did this]. I need to figure out how to add a view for  iPod, but don't know how to do this? i.e. Preferences>Context Menu>iPod>Update Metadata is checked. I just need to figure out how to add/integrate a view for iPod in order to access the Update Metadata function?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2014-08-23 19:29:07
Let revisit these 3 steps from foo_dop (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:database):
1. Load library.
2. Update metadata on iPod.
3. Rewrite database.

1 and 3 are always available from File>iPod menu. Step 2 I can't find anywhere.
What if this process is intended to be used only when U change tags/metadata? I have not tested this, but maybe step 2 is only visible when U have change some tags/metadata?

Finally, if this makes sense, maybe when U change a mapping in this database view, U have to re-sync your entire music collection in order to have the changes applied?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2014-08-24 00:46:37
Finally, if I want to "force" a re-sync of my entire collection, is it possible to do this with foo_dop? Or, do you need to do a "reset" with iTunes? Or, using a key combo with the device?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2014-08-26 00:30:06
I think everyone is aware of this quirk about the iPod. If you click on an artist in the artist view that only has one album then you will immediately see the tracks for that album w/o getting a chance to click that album first.

My code above to identify compilations had an unintended consequence because of this [I think]. Artists who only have 1 album that have been marked as a compilation only display under the Compilation view in the iPod and not the artist view!

Wow!

EDIT: Actually, the code is here (http://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=106704).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dat77degreeweather on 2014-09-14 17:35:04
Hello. First post here so I'm apologize if bringing this thread up is not allowed.

Anyway, I have an itouch with ios 6.1.6. I have foo_dop.dll and iphonecalc.dll installed already the apple drivers. I don't have itunes, however. When I send songs to the ipod the ipod doesn't pick up the songs in the Music app. When I check the storage on the ipod it shows that something has been added. In foobar, it shows all the songs that are supposedly in the ipod. Can anyone help me out? What do I need to do for the ipod to show the songs i've added?

Many thanks! Cheers.

edit: the ipod is 32GB, Black MC544LL/A (4th Generation)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: edmondhk on 2014-10-19 12:04:32
Hello. First post here so I'm apologize if bringing this thread up is not allowed.

Anyway, I have an itouch with ios 6.1.6. I have foo_dop.dll and iphonecalc.dll installed already the apple drivers. I don't have itunes, however. When I send songs to the ipod the ipod doesn't pick up the songs in the Music app. When I check the storage on the ipod it shows that something has been added. In foobar, it shows all the songs that are supposedly in the ipod. Can anyone help me out? What do I need to do for the ipod to show the songs i've added?

Many thanks! Cheers.

edit: the ipod is 32GB, Black MC544LL/A (4th Generation)

You must sync with iTunes again WITH MANUAL MANAGE MUSIC SETTING

It is something caused by different database problem
Can the author do something as I can't sync it with my iphoen 6 now.
It just said "Error reading iTunesDB : Expected master playlist in first position"
I think apple has changed its format.

Or is there are any plug-in on foobar so it can convert my playlist to formats that Apple support then I can sync with iTunes?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2014-10-19 17:46:48
As mentioned previously in this thread, this plug-in is no longer being developed and is not compatible with modern iPhones. A list of what devices this plug-in is compatible with is mentioned on the developer's website: http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:start)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: w00w000 on 2014-10-26 05:54:28
works fine. just not bring back foobar on internal reboot call.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gabrielleduvent on 2015-02-02 20:18:25
I'm trying to use foo_dop on a 2nd Gen iPod Touch. It's working fine on the iPod side, but Foobar just refuses to convert the flac automatically. I have lame.exe and nero's aac encoder where it's supposed to be - at least, I think so, since I can convert each of them separately from the right-click menu - but it just refuses to do anything by itself. It's getting annoying. Does anyone have a solution?


EDIT: Never mind, figured it out. I am a fool.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sylla on 2015-04-06 19:46:26
Does anyone know exactly how audiobooks should be tagged?

You can set tag "Media Kind" to "Audiobook" or "Podcast" and it will show up correctly on the ipod, but for audiobooks it seems to look for other tags than %artist%, %title% and so on...

Also, there is a section called "iTunes U", I guess foo_dop can't send things there?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2015-04-06 21:19:09
Audiobooks are only recognized by iTunes/device firmware as such when the "Media Kind" is set to "Audiobook". Other tags seem to be universal. As far as I know, the only ones that actually matter for display purposes are "Artist" and "Title". The firmware (and iTunes) seems to assume that each individual file is its own "book" and extraneous tags such as "album" and "track number" are completely ignored.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2015-04-06 21:36:36
Yes, I also thought it did use the standard fields for Audiobooks. What device do you have sylla?

The metadata fields supported by iPod manager are documented here: http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:metadata (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:metadata) (though it doesn't shed much more light).

You're right in that iPod manager doesn't support an 'iTunes U' value in MEDIA KIND. It's probably an artificial limitation...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2015-04-06 23:09:20
IIRC, "iTunes U" did not exist before foo_dop's final update.

Also of note are the IPOD_REMEMBER_PLAYBACK_POSITION and IPOD_SKIP_WHEN_SHUFFLING tags, which are useful for audiobooks. I forgot those could be set with foo_dop.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sylla on 2015-04-07 06:45:11
I have a 7g nano. It works fine after I downgraded a version number.
With podcasts, everything is ok, but the ipod ignores their tracknumbers and sorts by title instead... Which is good for podcasts, but not for audiobooks of course 
Audiobooks are ungrouped so that every track gets its own group, the groups looking something like %BLANK% - %artist% / Chapter 1 - Chapter 1, so there are a lot of groups that looks the same.... then in the playing screen %title% shows up

Thanks for the answers. I'll test what it looks after after work. If nothing else, it should be fine to just tag IPOD_REMEMBER_PLAYBACK_POSITION and IPOD_SKIP_WHEN_SHUFFLING for the audiobooks, it doesn't matter that much if they appear in the Audiobooks section of the ipod or not.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2015-04-07 21:01:47
Ah. Did you downgrade iPod manager or the iPod firmware?

I'd wager Audiobooks from iTunes come as MP4s with embedded iTunes chapters, so that's probably partly relevant. iPod manager does read iTunes chapters from MP4 files, but that's no use if your files don't have them.

There's probably something else funny going on, but that wouldn't be too surprising since it's a nano 7G. Perhaps I should pick up one on eBay and have a look; it's certainly a less intimidating task than fixing iOS 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sylla on 2015-04-07 21:40:30
No I downgraded the ipod from 1.0.3 to 1.0.2. I use foo_dop version 0.6.9.6.

I added all the tags from http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:metadata (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:metadata) to some tracks tagged as media kind "Audiobook", but it didn't seem to do anything, it's still listed as before (I also used "update metadata"). They are .mp3s and I've only tagged them manually through foobar2000...

Maybe the best way for now is to tag the audiobooks as podcasts, and then just use something like $if($stricmp(%media kind%,Podcast),%tracknumber% - %title%,%title%) in the foo_dop settings.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gkl on 2015-05-01 18:39:33
Would it be technically possible to update foo_dop to support modern iPhones/iPad/iPods? This component is so good and since there is no alternative in sight (which sounds so strange considering the popularity of iOS and foobar...) I'd be ready to throw a couple of bucks towards someone who gets it working again...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: bulletproof2k on 2015-05-03 14:15:07
Would it be technically possible to update foo_dop to support modern iPhones/iPad/iPods? This component is so good and since there is no alternative in sight (which sounds so strange considering the popularity of iOS and foobar...) I'd be ready to throw a couple of bucks towards someone who gets it working again...

I support, I am sure there will be more willing to help the development of this component.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2015-05-09 17:29:10
There are at least three things needed:
As for updating foo_dop, one would need the source code. But experts on iOS syncing are few and far between...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: gkl on 2015-05-22 20:59:00
hmm, this then looks more bleak than I anticipated initially.  Oh well, manual managing it is I guess.

That said, anyone know a foobar converter that also embeds album art into MP3s? The default one only copies it...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sylla on 2015-06-17 20:50:51
I use ipod nano 7g, fw version 1.0.2
windows 7 64bit
iPhoneCalc.dll is present
foobar2000 v1.3.8
foo_dop 0.6.9.7

Code: [Select]
I tried 10.4.1 x64 version of iTunes, installing just Apple Application Support (1.5.2) and Apple Mobile Device support (3.4.1.2), then I can't sync it, when I try to sync I get message "Failed to query SQL post process commands. Write operations are disabled." But I do not get any message when I start up foobar2000.

And I tried 10.5.1 x64 version of iTunes, installing just AAS (2.1.5) and AMDS (4.0.0.97), then I get this annoying message on foobar2000startup: "Failed to locate function AMDeviceNotificationGetThreadHandle", and also get the same message as above when I try to sync.
10.5.3 is the same as 10.5.1

From 10.6.1 x64, AAS 2.1.7, AMDS 5.1.1.4, I still get the annoying startup message, but everything I've tried works fine (sync, send to ipod)
10.6.3 is the same as 10.6.1
and also the same is unknown iTunes version with AAS 2.1.9 and AMDS 5.2.0.6.

12.1.2 x64 brings two different AAS (x32 and x64, both 3.1.3). If I just install the x64 and then AMDS 8.1.1.3 I get this on startup:
"Please install or reinstall Apple Application Support. (Error: Failed to query registry for AAS directory -  "file can't be found".  )"
and if I install both and then AMDS I get this:
"Please install or reinstall Apple Mobile Device Support. (Error: Failed to query registry for AMDS directory - "file can't be found".  )"

But syncing and sending still works on 12.1.2 versions...
tl:dr annoying startup messages with the versions that work.

I know about the status of this component, but does anybody know if there is a way to get rid of these messages on startup but still have a functioning foo_dop?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2015-06-17 21:05:51
You can disable mobile device support in preferences if you aren't using an iOS device. It's not enabled by default.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: sylla on 2015-06-17 21:17:14
You can disable mobile device support in preferences if you aren't using an iOS device. It's not enabled by default.

Wow, that's easy. Was sure I needed that ticked for some reason, but very nice.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BPM on 2015-06-23 05:28:51
I'm posting the steps I took to get my iPod Touch 3G working again with foo_dop after accidentally updating Quicktime (which I never used) thus breaking syncing to my iPod. I had previously been using foo_dop v0.6.8.3 from years back. I do not recall which version of iTunes installer I originally used for AAS and AMDS (probably v9.0 or v9.1).
Anyways, this is how I got my iPod to sync again with foobar2000.

Relevant program versions used:

Steps taken:

When starting foobar2000, there should not be any error messages that pop up. I also had to perform a "Rewrite database" on my iPod via foo_dop before it could synchronize again. Before I did this, it would always tell me that the iPod could not be found when I tried to do a sync, yet it knew it was there and I could view my iPod properties via foo_dop just fine. After a "Rewrite database" everything was fine again.
Hopefully this helps someone else!

Edit: Recently I discovered that with the above configuration foobar now crashes every time I close it (and on start-up again it gives the safe-mode dialog option popup). It has something to do with foo_dop v0.6.9.7 and the versions of AAS and/or AMDS I was using. I have since tried a different version of AAS and AMDS, still using foo_dop v0.6.9.7 and it appears to have stopped foobar from crashing during exit. I now use Apple Application Support v1.5.2 and Apple Mobile Device Support x64 v3.4.1.2 which can be found within the iTunes 10.3 x64 installer. Link to iTunes 10.3 x64 installer: http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php?old_itunes=79 (http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php?old_itunes=79)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-12 01:00:29
[The hard drive where I has all my music stored "died". I did not even get a chance to transfer any data before this happened]
Q: Is it possible to used this plugin [or something else in Foobar] to transfer all my music on my IPod Classic to my hard drive? I believe this would be a "reverse sync". Any ideas? I know this is possible in Window Media Player [for example].
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2015-07-12 03:10:21
Assuming you can load your iPod library using foo_dop, you should be able to select all the tracks in the "iPod View" playlist and use the File Operations -> Copy to... menu function.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-12 16:30:12
Assuming you can load your iPod library using foo_dop, you should be able to select all the tracks in the "iPod View" playlist and use the File Operations -> Copy to... menu function.


I posed my question here also: General (http://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=109646). One thing I am worried about is preserving my original folder/file hierarchy/structure as much as possible. i.e. D:\iPod\My Music\U2\[2014] Songs of Innocence\01. The Miracle (Of Joey Ramone) is one example.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2015-07-12 19:23:15
You can use the File Name Pattern option in the Copy To dialog to automatically generate file and directory names according to the tracks' tags.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-12 20:07:33
You can use the File Name Pattern option in the Copy To dialog to automatically generate file and directory names according to the tracks' tags.

Thx! [When I tried this w/o your idea, I got folders: F00, F01, etc. w/each containing music files].

But, I have already started using Windows Media Player [w/the help of a plug-in] to do the transfer. The only problem with this approach is the WMP does not seem to recognize the album art from the iPod. The worse case scenario here would mean having to add all of the album art back by hand.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-12 21:55:56
Addendum to above:
WMP successfully transferred all my music to my hard drive. However... Every music file now has duplicate track numbers in front of the song title. i.e. 01. 01. A Hard Day's Night
In the iPod Manager>Database>Title, I have "%tracknumber%, %title%". I do this so that I always have a track number displaying on my iPod. It has always worked fine.
This is a disaster if I have to repeat the sync. With almost 100GB of music, it take hours to do the sync. Any idea? Do I need to start over again?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-13 17:10:17
Assuming you can load your iPod library using foo_dop, you should be able to select all the tracks in the "iPod View" playlist and use the File Operations -> Copy to... menu function.


I just discovered that using the "Load Library" function from the iPod menu puts the contents into a playlist. What this means is you need to switch from "Library" to "Playlist".

If you could provide me with the "File Name Pattern" that I need to get the file/folder hierarchy/structure that I want. And, each MP3 file name in the form: 01. Song Title.mp3. Or, is all of this "default" when you use the "Copy to..."?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2015-07-13 19:40:39
you would probably need something like this in your naming format

%artist%\'['%date%']' %album%\%tracknumber%. %title%

If you have various artist albums you might need to use

%album artist%\'['%date%']' %album%\%tracknumber%. %title%
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-13 20:47:25
you would probably need something like this in your naming format

%artist%\'['%date%']' %album%\%tracknumber%. %title%

If you have various artist albums you might need to use

%album artist%\'['%date%']' %album%\%tracknumber%. %title%

Thx! This is a good start. I have something in the database part of iPod Manager that displays the year on every album. I am not sure if this will produce the year [prefacing the album name] or if it needs to be explicit as in your example above?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2015-07-13 22:02:00
Could you attach a screenshot of the metadata on one of the files you have loaded in to foobar using the load library command? This will show us what tags you can use. If the info is in the ipod database you won't be able to use it for naming.

E.G.
(http://s8.postimg.org/3yop2y9lx/FB2k.png)

I can use

%Artist% = The Beatles
%Track% = Good Morning, Good Morning
%Album% = Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band (Mono)
%Date% = 1967
%Tracknumber% = 11
%Album Artist% = Normally Various artists would be in here if it's empty then it will be the same as %artist%.

You can use ' to put in square brackets e.g. '[' ']'




Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2015-07-13 22:29:22
If you could provide me with the "File Name Pattern" that I need to get the file/folder hierarchy/structure that I want. And, each MP3 file name in the form: 01. Song Title.mp3. Or, is all of this "default" when you use the "Copy to..."?

Here's a screenshot visually describing what I mean. You should be able to extrapolate your preferred naming scheme from the example provided:
(http://i.imgur.com/vYGSKsI.png)

If you're not sure what the tags for a given file are, you can open the Properties dialog mentioned by A_Man_Eating_Duck. If you're not sure what placeholder refers to what tag, you can look that up in the Title Formatting Reference article on the Hydrogenaudio Knowledgebase (http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Foobar2000:Title_Formatting_Reference).
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-14 01:03:10
@A_Man_Eating_Duck
@Zarggg
I wanted to thank both of you for your time and effort helping me!

I wanted to take a "detour" for a moment. I had used Windows Media Player [w/plug-in that allows WMP to "see" iPod] to transfer all the music. This worked very well [except for some missing artwork] There was one wrinkle. All tracks that lacked the album_artist tag were found under the "Unknown Artist" folder on the hard drive after the transfer. Since this worked well, I thought maybe I could define the album_artist tag as = the artist tag for all music? Using this (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:database) guide, I would just set album_artist == %artist% Can either of you see any potential pitfalls here?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-14 04:23:02
@Zarggg

I am going to test the Foobar copy with File Name Pattern: %artist%\['['%date%']']%album%\%tracknumber% - %title% and see what happens. I might like to get disc numbers in there, but only where the number of discs is > 1.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2015-07-14 09:21:58
@TheEmpathicEar

I suggest you do the copy in small batches, once the batch is done remove it from the playlist and do the next. This allows you to preview and then fine tune and tweak your file naming pattern just to suit the batch.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-14 15:44:36
@TheEmpathicEar

I suggest you do the copy in small batches, once the batch is done remove it from the playlist and do the next. This allows you to preview and then fine tune and tweak your file naming pattern just to suit the batch.

Thx! I might try this too.
1. When using Foobar [as opposed to WMP], the "Unknown Artist" folder on the hard drive no longer appears [for those albums that either have album artist missing or blank.
2. There is still some album art missing even though every album on the iPod has album art.
3. I have a playlist: Rolling Stone Magazine - 500 Greatest Albums of all time. Originally, i had all the tracks in one folder along with the playlist. But, after doing the above transfer, all of these tracks are now appearing the artist folders and it's not clear that the playlist was transferred.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-14 18:38:56
About #3 above, do playlists have to be transferred differently? The load library command seems to load music, but I did not see any playlist?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2015-07-14 20:51:38
2. If the album art is not embedded in the file you will need to re download it. You can use album art downloader (http://sourceforge.net/projects/album-art/) to help you with this.

3. You can't recover the playlists with this plugin.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-14 21:05:40
2. If the album art is not embedded in the file you will need to re download it. You can use album art downloader (http://sourceforge.net/projects/album-art/) to help you with this.

3. You can't recover the playlists with this plugin.

Thank! The album downloader is something that [hopefully] I can really use. I guess the playlist thing is a drawback of "abandonware". i.e. It just never got that far?
I think I will [de]select all of the tracks in that playlist and do another transfer. I can always recreate it again.

EDIT: Have you used the album downloader? Do you just point it to your music collection and then do some setup or "pick and choose"?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2015-07-14 21:30:56
You can use the folder browser and then it will give you a bunch of images, hold left click for the preview and double click will save the image as folder.jpg in the folder your working in.

say I had this folder structure.


D:\Music\Apples\1909 - nice apples\01. so many apples.mp3
D:\Music\Bananas\1909 - long bananas\01. lovely bunch of bananas.mp3

I would set the folder browser location to D:\music and it will look for cover art for every folder\file under that directory. This program assumes that each folder contains 1 album.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-15 00:58:02
I seem to be stuck at this step: I am trying to remove the playlist, "Rolling Stones 500 Greatest Songs of All Time", and all the music files associated with it. Windows Media Player allows to you this very thing [seemingly]. I watched it as it reported deleted the playlist and then all of the 500 tracks. But, when I did a "Load Library" in Foobar, they all seemed to be still there?? Is there a way via Foobar w/iPod Manager to isolate these tracks and delete them before I do another transfer to the hard drive??

EDIT: I used the iPod menu and under Music>Playlists there is only the defaults: Genius and On-The-Go. However, when I browse among artists that I know had a track in that playlist, the track is still there! Ouch, somehow, the iPod seems to associate the tracks with the artist, even though the playlist is no longer there? This might explain when I've been transferring music to the hard drive, folders and tracks for artists the only were in that playlist were created.
This is the biggest PITA. You would think there would be a way to isolate these tracks and remove. I just did another "Load Library" and "Copy to..." and there they are...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-15 02:18:01
EDIT2: Ah, the search bar is your friend...
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-16 00:11:46
You can use the folder browser and then it will give you a bunch of images, hold left click for the preview and double click will save the image as folder.jpg in the folder your working in.

say I had this folder structure.


D:\Music\Apples\1909 - nice apples\01. so many apples.mp3
D:\Music\Bananas\1909 - long bananas\01. lovely bunch of bananas.mp3

I would set the folder browser location to D:\music and it will look for cover art for every folder\file under that directory. This program assumes that each folder contains 1 album.

I am just getting around to installing this. There are some install options: Image Download Scripts, where it is not clear to me which are needed/wanted. I guess I'll choose all of above and see how it goes.
This (http://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=57392) might help. Maybe you could tell me if this thread/forum helped you or not?

EDIT: The "Save Images to:" C:\Users\Administrator\Pictures\Album Art\%artist%\%album%\Folder%preset%.%extension%. Is this the best choice? i.e. I have all music stored on a drive [D:] that is NOT my system drive [C:].

EDIT2: And, my first album seach for "ABBA" The Definitive Collection - Disc 1 [where there all 3 discs] resulted in an overwhelming amount of arkwork to sift through? I guess you have to "fine tune" this aspect of it.

EDIT3: I limited the artwork to MusicBrainz as an experiment. There really are so many choices in this software. And, I bet a lot of folks want to automate the process somewhat if you are missing a lot of artwork as I am.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2015-07-16 04:26:29
I tend to save the album art in to the same folder as the music. if you use the New > File browser and scan the directory and tick the album or albums you want to find it will automatically save the art in to the folder with the music.

Yes there can be a lot of results. I tend to sort them by size and then try and get album art of 1000px (or over and resize back to 1000px).

This is not the tool to use if you want to automate it. I would rather spend the time getting the album art correct the first time, when you have a good backup solution you shouldn't need to do this over and over.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-16 15:50:03
I tend to save the album art in to the same folder as the music. if you use the New > File browser and scan the directory and tick the album or albums you want to find it will automatically save the art in to the folder with the music.

Yes there can be a lot of results. I tend to sort them by size and then try and get album art of 1000px (or over and resize back to 1000px).

This is not the tool to use if you want to automate it. I would rather spend the time getting the album art correct the first time, when you have a good backup solution you shouldn't need to do this over and over.

1. After double-clicking on artwork, I can see a "Folder.jpg" in the album folder. This seems to happen w/o having done any configuration. Is the artwork being stored elsewhere as well?
2. Why do you choose 1000px? Is the because you get better quality?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2015-07-16 19:52:17
It will only save in to 1 location when double clicking, you can right click and save as though.

I'm not sure why I picked 1000px, maybe to sort of future proof it with higher res displays. with 1000px your looking at around 500kb per cover art. It's really up to you, if you going to through the hassle of finding the art work you might as well get a highish resolution of it.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-16 21:12:16
It will only save in to 1 location when double clicking, you can right click and save as though.

I'm not sure why I picked 1000px, maybe to sort of future proof it with higher res displays. with 1000px your looking at around 500kb per cover art. It's really up to you, if you going to through the hassle of finding the art work you might as well get a highish resolution of it.


What's happening to me [although I have no idea why] is from multi-disc albums sets. i.e. Chicago Box Set 1-5. 1 and 3 had no album art [no idea why]. The other 3 had album art. If you look at the folder locations on the hard dive, you can confirm this. So, it would be nice in a case like this for me to save to more than one folder. You right-click on the album art [1 of many] and get a choice to save in more than one location?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-17 00:07:27
I have a question about using the database (http://yuo.be/wiki/dop:config:database) component of foo_dop. I want my iPod to display track numbers everywhere a song title is displayed. It seems as if Apple decided that they would not do this for some reason. i.e. 01. Song title
Using this, would remapping "Title" with %tracknumber%. %title% work? Does the '.' require special care? Any advice would be appreciated!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-17 01:34:40
Sometimes I get an error message from windows when I try to copy over a "folder.jpg" in the album folder? Strange. I can do this manually in Windows Explorer. Why not in the Album Art Downloader?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-17 02:53:30
What's happening to me [although I have no idea why] is from multi-disc albums sets. i.e. Chicago Box Set 1-5. 1 and 3 had no album art [no idea why]. The other 3 had album art. If you look at the folder locations on the hard dive, you can confirm this. So, it would be nice in a case like this for me to save to more than one folder. You right-click on the album art [1 of many] and get a choice to save in more than one location?

EDIT: It seems like almost every multi-disc album has 1 album with artwork and 1 missing. This must be something wrong with the transfer iPod to hard drive.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-20 01:40:48
"Synchronize Ipod>Which items would you like be on your iPod dialog", still has "Rolling Stone Magazine 500 Greatest Songs iOf All Time" [unchecked]. I removed this from both my media library and iPod. Is there some method of deleting items from this list?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-29 20:50:36
[I just finished getting my music collection back together - album art, etc.]
I just noticed one quirky thing. I have two albums: [2004] Greatest Hits in album view. One is Guns N Rose and the other is Neil Young. However, they are both displayed in the same view: [2004] Greatest Hits. i.e. 01. Down by the River and 01. Welcome to the Jungle and so on. IOW, one track by Neil Young and one track by Guns N Rose and so on. I don't remember this happening in the past? Is it just because they share the same album name? And, if so, what can I do to distinguish them? If I access either of them via the Artist view, all is well. [This happens in Foobar>Facets too]
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: oldgoat on 2015-07-31 09:22:09
If anyone is interested regards getting foo_dop to work after a rebuild of PC etc, I found this post (http://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/3227bc/cant_get_foobar_to_recognize_apple_mobile_device/) which basically works!
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-31 14:43:54
Can anyone comment on my last post?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2015-07-31 17:33:22
Can you provide a screen shot of what you are seeing? foobar2000 should differentiate between two albums with the same Date and Album tags as long as the Artist or Album Artist tags are not the same.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-31 19:11:42
Can you provide a screen shot of what you are seeing? foobar2000 should differentiate between two albums with the same Date and Album tags as long as the Artist or Album Artist tags are not the same.

Take a look at my last post (http://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=88410&view=findpost&p=904060) in Facets. You can see that this works and the display is fine [in Facets]. It's the iPod where this is still happening.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-07-31 21:22:32
Addendum to my post above:
I need to point out that this happens in iPod only if you access in album view. i.e. Music>Album If you go Artist>Album, the albums display as you would expect.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2015-08-06 16:48:45
Again, please provide a screen shot of what you are seeing. I do not use Facets (I use the Default UI), but I also have never had an issue with foobar2000 displaying two separate albums with the same Album and Date tags, but with different Artist tags as being grouped together.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-08-06 18:55:53
Again, please provide a screen shot of what you are seeing. I do not use Facets (I use the Default UI), but I also have never had an issue with foobar2000 displaying two separate albums with the same Album and Date tags, but with different Artist tags as being grouped together.

I tried to describe above that the display in Foobar is no longer the issue. This (http://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=88410&view=findpost&p=904061) helped with the display in Foobar. It's the display in my iPod where this is still happening. And, so this is why I am asking here in the foo_dop thread, hoping that someone might have an idea of how to correct it?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2015-08-07 01:55:02
Oh, I see what you're saying now. My apologies for being dense.

That is an issue with the iPod software itself. When you are in the Album menu, tracks that have the same album name will be grouped together even if they have different Artist tags. I have the same issue on my own iPod as the bands Queen and Blind Guardian both have an album by the same name (A Night at the Opera). I'm not aware of a way to resolve that apart from giving each album a unique title.

Edit: The most recent thread on this subject on Apple's support forums seems to be from 2011: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2733463 (https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2733463)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-08-07 03:59:20
Oh, I see what you're saying now. My apologies for being dense.

That is an issue with the iPod software itself. When you are in the Album menu, tracks that have the same album name will be grouped together even if they have different Artist tags. I have the same issue on my own iPod as the bands Queen and Blind Guardian both have an album by the same name (A Night at the Opera). I'm not aware of a way to resolve that apart from giving each album a unique title.

Edit: The most recent thread on this subject on Apple's support forums seems to be from 2011: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2733463 (https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2733463)

Thx! I kinda figured it might come to some sort of renaming scheme. Although, I'm not above pointing the finger at Apple. They could have easily come up with a more elegant solution? 
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2015-08-23 18:00:49
[I am installing Windows 10 and will have to reinstall Foobar and foo_dop]
I thought I remembered a better way to use iPod w/o installing iTunes? Can someone point me to this?

EDIT: I came across this: "iphonecalc.dll" 1. I am not sure this is specific to iPhone as compared with my iPod? 2. I searched my hard drive [with iTunes installed] and could not find "iphonecalc.dll". I am not sure how to interpret this?
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: BPM on 2015-11-08 04:12:57
I'm posting the steps I took to get my iPod Touch 3G working again with foo_dop after accidentally updating Quicktime (which I never used) thus breaking syncing to my iPod. I had previously been using foo_dop v0.6.8.3 from years back. I do not recall which version of iTunes installer I originally used for AAS and AMDS (probably v9.0 or v9.1).
Anyways, this is how I got my iPod to sync again with foobar2000.

Relevant program versions used:
  • Windows 7 x64
  • iPod Touch 3G, model MC008C (32GB), iOS v4.1
  • foobar2000 v1.1.5
  • foo_dop v0.6.9.7
  • Apple Application Support v2.1.7 (from iTunes 10.6.1 x64 installer)
  • Apple Mobile Device Support x64 v5.1.1.4 (from iTunes 10.6.1 x64 installer)
  • Neither iTunes nor Quicktime installed
  • iPhoneCalc library not nessesary

Steps taken:
  • Uninstall all previous versions of iTunes, Apple Application Support, Apple Mobile Device Support, Quicktime
  • Update foo_dop to version 0.6.9.7 (http://yuo.be/ipod.php) if you haven't already
  • Download iTunes 10.6.1 x64 installer (found here: http://www.oldversion.com/windows/itunes/ (http://www.oldversion.com/windows/itunes/)) and extract/unpack the iTunes64Setup.exe file using a file archiver such as 7zip (http://www.7-zip.org/download.html). Inside there are six msi installer files.
  • Install AppleMobileDeviceSupport64.msi
  • Install AppleApplicationSupport.msi

When starting foobar2000, there should not be any error messages that pop up. I also had to perform a "Rewrite database" on my iPod via foo_dop before it could synchronize again. Before I did this, it would always tell me that the iPod could not be found when I tried to do a sync, yet it knew it was there and I could view my iPod properties via foo_dop just fine. After a "Rewrite database" everything was fine again.
Hopefully this helps someone else!

Edit: Recently I discovered that with the above configuration foobar now crashes every time I close it (and on start-up again it gives the safe-mode dialog option popup). It has something to do with foo_dop v0.6.9.7 and the versions of AAS and/or AMDS I was using. I have since tried a different version of AAS and AMDS, still using foo_dop v0.6.9.7 and it appears to have stopped foobar from crashing during exit. I now use Apple Application Support v1.5.2 and Apple Mobile Device Support x64 v3.4.1.2 which can be found within the iTunes 10.3 x64 installer. Link to iTunes 10.3 x64 installer: http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php?old_itunes=79 (http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php?old_itunes=79)


Update after fixing a problem where foobar would crash on exit using foo_dop v0.6.9.7
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2015-11-08 10:35:05
Thanks BPM.

Unfortunately it doesn't work with my iPhone (no errors, but any write operation simply has no effect).

I hope that, if musicmusic releases the source, somebody will update the plugin.

Alessandro
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2015-11-25 21:24:31
I hope that, if musicmusic releases the source, somebody will update the plugin.
I'm certainly working on releasing the source code though no promises (yet...)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2015-12-01 21:01:51
OK, finally, here is the source code:

https://github.com/msquared2/ipod_manager (https://github.com/msquared2/ipod_manager)

Almost as much code as Columns UI...

(Some of the cryptography code is only provided as a DLL - this is essentially what was MobileDeviceSign.dll a fair while ago.)
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: J44xm on 2015-12-04 00:04:13
OK, finally, here is the source code:

https://github.com/msquared2/ipod_manager (https://github.com/msquared2/ipod_manager)

Almost as much code as Columns UI...

(Some of the cryptography code is only provided as a DLL - this is essentially what was MobileDeviceSign.dll a fair while ago.)

Wow, I hadn't noticed that you were around again, musicmusic! It's good to see you posting again. I was going to post an update here that the source code was posted but was surprised to see that you yourself had done it already.

Well, many thanks for this and for the hard work over the years. I haven't been around here much recently but I'm a big fan of this plugin and of Columns UI too. I hope they'll continue to live on.
Title: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2015-12-05 17:17:31
Thanks. It doesn't seem like there is a great deal of interest in the source, unfortunately (judging by the GitHub traffic). Still, it's no longer sitting in a dark corner of my hard drive
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: simon_owl on 2016-02-28 16:45:48
Hi,

is there a way to set the "remember playback position" for all the items in an iPod playlist instead of one at time?
I have an huge playlist and setting it track for track is infeasible.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Just_Addict on 2016-02-29 03:15:25
I've tried many things, but can't get it working for me.
Did follow the instructions on the homepage with regards to dependencies

FB2K 1.3.9 portable
iPhone 3G 8GB (iOS 4.2.)
iPhone 4 16GB (iOS 7.1.2)
iPad 2 16GB (iOS 9.2.1)
iTunes 12.3.2.35 64bit
Win7ultimate 64bit
foo_dop 0.6.4

even added iPhoneCalc.dll to FB2K's program folder to be sure even though not indicated for the models

Even went as far as completely uninstalling and re-installing iTunes
but it keeps telling me it cannot load iTunesMobileDevice.dll. I'm suspecting it's because I have a 64bit installation... (it's located in Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support and not in Program Files (x86)\.... etc),
but that's just me guessing...

EDIT: Oh, and I also first tried to install the 32bits iTunes after the uninstall but that one flatout refused to run and told me to go get the 64bit installer.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2016-02-29 20:23:36
I've tried many things, but can't get it working for me.
Did follow the instructions on the homepage with regards to dependencies

FB2K 1.3.9 portable
iPhone 3G 8GB (iOS 4.2.)
iPhone 4 16GB (iOS 7.1.2)
iPad 2 16GB (iOS 9.2.1)
iTunes 12.3.2.35 64bit
Win7ultimate 64bit
foo_dop 0.6.4

even added iPhoneCalc.dll to FB2K's program folder to be sure even though not indicated for the models

Even went as far as completely uninstalling and re-installing iTunes
but it keeps telling me it cannot load iTunesMobileDevice.dll. I'm suspecting it's because I have a 64bit installation... (it's located in Program Files\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support and not in Program Files (x86)\.... etc),
but that's just me guessing...

EDIT: Oh, and I also first tried to install the 32bits iTunes after the uninstall but that one flatout refused to run and told me to go get the 64bit installer.
You might be able to get it to work with the iPhone 3G 8GB running iOS 4.2, but I'm afraid it is likely to be a battle, and I'm not sure it is worth your time.

But, I believe this is a special hybrid 32-/64-bit version, which might be a good starting point: https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1816

Hi,

is there a way to set the "remember playback position" for all the items in an iPod playlist instead of one at time?
I have an huge playlist and setting it track for track is infeasible.

Thanks in advance
You can set the metafield IPOD_REMEMBER_PLAYBACK_POSITION (http://wiki.yuo.be/dop:metadata) to 1 directly on the tracks on the device, and do a 'Rewrite database'. Or, if you use sync, you should do it on the source files and resync, but they will be recopied as a result.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Just_Addict on 2016-03-01 11:37:15
.... snipped ....
You might be able to get it to work with the iPhone 3G 8GB running iOS 4.2, but I'm afraid it is likely to be a battle, and I'm not sure it is worth your time.

But, I believe this is a special hybrid 32-/64-bit version, which might be a good starting point: https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1816
Thanks for that link. Sadly it didn't solve the issue completely. It now could find the needed libraries but still failed on a missing function

"Failed to locate function AMDeviceNotificationGetThreadHandle"

Ah well, back to the old, cumbersome method... :) thanks just the same. wouldn't have found out about that installer myself.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2016-03-01 12:53:59
No problem. That particular problem was fixed, but I never released an updated version of the component. I could at least put out an updated build, but I don't know what other problems there may be.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Just_Addict on 2016-03-10 22:47:47
No problem. That particular problem was fixed, but I never released an updated version of the component. I could at least put out an updated build, but I don't know what other problems there may be.
Just noticed the updated version :D The message is gone and it now successfully recognizes my iPhone :D

WOW, This is GRREAT! No more hassle with linking files into iTunes.... just directly to the iPhone. Cool!

Haven't found any issues yet. At least no fatal ones.

Everything looks ok but there's one thing I am not sure of. There's a part for tag mappings. For me this is currently blank except two or so entries. The playlist shows all audio files found neatly, but the filenames of the songs in the music library show with large numbers for names. Podcasts and ringtones, etc show fine. It may be that this is because the songs (U2 Album) got added from iTunes and it stores that info someplace else instead of tagging the files, but since this is my first time ever getting this to work, I have no idea.

Is this because I forgot to configure something?

EDIT: Oh, just found the Content Manager window. There the U2 album shows correctly.  (plus some files not showing in the playlist)
EDIT2: Also figured out where to locate the files in the File System Explorer and it's the actual filenames they show with in the playlist.
There's also a load of .plist files with similar large numbers as names in the same folder, plus jpeg files (presumably album artwork) but none of them have same name as any of the m4a files...
EDIT3: Ok, first album sent. seemed to go without any issues. But doesn't show up in the music app. They do exist on the iPhone because when I reconnect it and it loads the playlist, they're there. Just not showing in the Music app
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2016-03-11 07:04:17
Did you compile it from source?

EDIT3: Ok, first album sent. seemed to go without any issues. But doesn't show up in the music app. They do exist on the iPhone because when I reconnect it and it loads the playlist, they're there. Just not showing in the Music app
That will happen on anything newer than iOS 4.x, I'm afraid. Is this the iPhone 3G or one of your other devices? There is (or was) a not-so-great workaround in that if you did something in iTunes that triggers a database update (e.g. play a song from its music on device view) it would make them show up.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Just_Addict on 2016-03-12 16:37:03
Did you compile it from source?
Ehm no :D I prefer pre-made binaries :)

Is this the iPhone 3G or one of your other devices? There is (or was) a not-so-great workaround in that if you did something in iTunes that triggers a database update (e.g. play a song from its music on device view) it would make them show up.
It is the iPhone4, but thanks for that titbit of wisdom :) that solved it nicely.
They didn't show up in iTunes either as being on the device but by luck I switched to playlist view and there they were :D
And indeed like you said, just starting to play one song made it update the iPhone to show them too.
Caveat, you do need to play just one song of the added songs each time you send new songs to the iPhone to make that happen. Playing one of the songs already stored on the device in iTunes doesn't make new added ones show.

This is great :D thank you so much for taking the time to update it.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2016-03-12 16:44:47
There is one behaviour about the iPod Classic [7th generation w/160GB] that I do not like. By default [or maybe it's the only way it works], if there is only one album for an artist, when you click on that artist the tracks for that one album are immediately displayed. I would like to see that album name and art displayed first [the way it would be if there was more than one album] and then, of course, I could select that album to see the tracks.

Is there anyway using the foo_dop to change this behaviour? Or, maybe some other MOD?
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2016-03-14 20:59:29
Ehm no :D I prefer pre-made binaries :)

[...]
Ah, I was confused as I hadn't released a new build, but it looks like 0.6.9.7 had that change. However, that version may have other problems. I need to install that version of iTunes I linked and have a go myself.

There is one behaviour about the iPod Classic [7th generation w/160GB] that I do not like. By default [or maybe it's the only way it works], if there is only one album for an artist, when you click on that artist the tracks for that one album are immediately displayed. I would like to see that album name and art displayed first [the way it would be if there was more than one album] and then, of course, I could select that album to see the tracks.

Is there anyway using the foo_dop to change this behaviour? Or, maybe some other MOD?
I know the behaviour you speak of, but unfortunately I don't know of any way around it other than (manually) creating fake albums...
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2016-03-14 22:50:20
I was afraid of that. Oh, well, it's annoying, but I can live with it.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2016-04-11 19:03:19
Ever since upgrading to Windows 10, foobar2000 locks up after executing the Load Library command in foo_dop. It worked fine in Windows 7. From what I can see running ProcMon, foobar2000 enters a "Not Responding" state after reading metadata_cache.fpl from the iPod (or creating it if it does not exist) and does not try to read any other files from the iPod.

foo_dop version: 0.6.9.6.7 (also occurs in 0.6.9.7; I downgraded to see if it still happened in last "stable" version)
foobar2000 version: 1.3.10
OS version: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit [10.0.10586]
iPod model: 6G (160GB) running firmware version 2.0.4

I generated a dumpfile, but analyzing it through WinDbg did not reveal anything to me. I have uploaded it here: http://www.mediafire.com/download/frx56sjrayg7t83/foobar2000.dmp.7z (http://www.mediafire.com/download/frx56sjrayg7t83/foobar2000.dmp.7z)
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2016-04-11 20:26:50
Looks a bit odd. The main thread is still somewhere in metadb_io_v2::load_info_async (not supposed to be blocking...)

I can't see anything there to indicate it is I/O-related... but is there anything of interest in Event Viewer under Custom Views/Administrative Events or Windows Logs/System?
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2016-04-12 05:35:28
Here's the only entry of relevance I could find:

Code: [Select]
The program foobar2000.exe version 1.3.10.0 stopped interacting with Windows and was closed. To see if more information about the problem is available, check the problem history in the Security and Maintenance control panel.
 Process ID: 4c6c
 Start Time: 01d1941a15171ab5
 Termination Time: 23
 Application Path: C:\Program Files (x86)\foobar2000\foobar2000.exe
 Report Id: 614ac269-000d-11e6-9c25-bcaec51ad56f
 Faulting package full name:
 Faulting package-relative application ID:

This entry may or may not correspond with the crash coinciding with my dumpfile. I thought I tested it three times, but I only see two such entries in my Events.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2016-04-13 20:36:26
Nothing interesting, then.

I had a closer look at the dump file and the main thread is in some odd PostMessage/Sleep loop in foobar2000 code. It's difficult to work out what's going on since it's outside of iPod manager code. Perhaps @Peter could shed some light.

[edit] Just for reference, I still have an iPod classic lying around, but Load library completes OK here (on Windows 10).
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: hrundi5 on 2016-05-22 13:41:44
Had to reinstall windows, and now I can't remember how I got this to work last time. I tried every combination possible. Basically the same setup, except I've got iPod shuffle 4g, but the solution didn't work for me.

I'm posting the steps I took to get my iPod Touch 3G working again with foo_dop after accidentally updating Quicktime (which I never used) thus breaking syncing to my iPod. I had previously been using foo_dop v0.6.8.3 from years back. I do not recall which version of iTunes installer I originally used for AAS and AMDS (probably v9.0 or v9.1).
Anyways, this is how I got my iPod to sync again with foobar2000.

Relevant program versions used:
  • Windows 7 x64
  • iPod Touch 3G, model MC008C (32GB), iOS v4.1
  • foobar2000 v1.1.5
  • foo_dop v0.6.9.7
  • Apple Application Support v2.1.7 (from iTunes 10.6.1 x64 installer)
  • Apple Mobile Device Support x64 v5.1.1.4 (from iTunes 10.6.1 x64 installer)
  • Neither iTunes nor Quicktime installed
  • iPhoneCalc library not nessesary

The iPod buttons just won't show in in foobar, don't know what I'm doing wrong. Can anyone help?[/quote]
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Just_Addict on 2016-05-22 19:31:30
It may be due to the same thing I ran into, I had to install some kind of hybrid version of iTunes to get it working on a x64 Win7
MusicMusic posted the link to that installer in this post (https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,45160.msg917301.html#msg917301).
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2016-05-22 21:32:10
What do you mean by 'The iPod buttons just won't show in in foobar'? By default, the commands are in the File menu and when right-clicking on tracks.

You will probably need the iPod driver from the Apple Mobile Device Support bit of iTunes (but shouldn't need anything else from there).
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: hrundi5 on 2016-05-22 21:35:13
It may be due to the same thing I ran into, I had to install some kind of hybrid version of iTunes to get it working on a x64 Win7
MusicMusic posted the link to that installer in this post (https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,45160.msg917301.html#msg917301).

I think that was the first one I tried, but right now I'm sort of lost, don't now even what I've got, so I'll try it and let you know. What's frustrating is that on the old system I had no trouble installing it, it worked instantly. Thanks for your reply.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: hrundi5 on 2016-05-22 21:37:48
What do you mean by 'The iPod buttons just won't show in in foobar'? By default, the commands are in the File menu and when right-clicking on tracks.

You will probably need the iPod driver from the Apple Mobile Device Support bit of iTunes (but shouldn't need anything else from there).
Yeah, sorry, that's what I meant, the iPod commands are not there. I tried foo_dop-0.6.9.6 and foo_dop-0.6.9.7, and 4 different versions of AppleMobileDeviceSupport64 and AppleApplicationSupport. And several versions of foobar.

EDIT: Oh, and I can see the ipod in windows explorer, I forgot to add.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2016-05-22 22:12:52
That sounds like the component isn't installed correctly. Have a look in the components list in preferences and try installing it from there (point it at the extracted DLL).
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: hrundi5 on 2016-05-22 23:00:25
YES! That was it! Thanks so much!
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2016-05-23 12:59:31
No problem.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Dopesmoker666 on 2016-09-15 16:13:05
Hello there!

First of all, the iPod manager is a great thing, thank you for developing it! It always worked very well with my girlfriends iPod, but now i tried it with an iPod shuffle 4G (present) and i got this error message : Failed to query device properties. Write operations are disabled.

When i checked my properties i got this:
Model: iPod Shuffle 4G Blue
Serial Number: CC4H153TDFDP
Firmware Version: 1.0.1

Battery Status: Charging
Raw Battery Data: 0 / 3 / 99

Drive Total Capacity: 1,88 GB
Drive Free Space: 1,28 GB

So it seems like foobar CAN read the ipod's properties.

Any clues what's wrong?
Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2016-09-15 20:23:46
Thanks!

It might be that your iPod has a USB product ID (PID) that iPod manager doesn't recognise. Could you post the contents of the foobar2000 console after plugging the iPod shuffle in?

Also, if you hold down Shift, click on File and then iPod/Raw properties, does it output anything?
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: MaCs on 2016-12-19 00:57:19
I began getting the "Failed to locate function AMDeviceRetain" message everytime foobar2000 starts. Any idea why it does that?
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2016-12-19 19:47:32
The function is no longer present in one of the Apple libraries used by the component, based on your description.

What version of iTunes do you have? Do you use 32- or 64-bit Windows? Do you actually have an iOS device?

If you don't have an iOS device, you can turn off mobile device support in iPod manager preferences.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: MaCs on 2016-12-19 20:46:28
I have the latest version of iTunes, Windows 10 32 bits and an ipod classic. I guess that the ipod classic is not an "iOS device"?
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kode54 on 2016-12-19 21:01:59
Not to mention that this component is, from what I remember, not compatible with the latest iTunes. Or even any iTunes that has been "latest" for the past few years, at least.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2016-12-19 22:12:57
I guess that the ipod classic is not an "iOS device"?
Nope, so just turn off 'Enable mobile device support' and the error will go away.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kode54 on 2016-12-20 04:40:59
Oh, didn't notice you were still replying to this particular topic. Sorry if I overstepped with that assumption about unsupported runtime.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: MaCs on 2016-12-20 16:06:02
I guess that the ipod classic is not an "iOS device"?
Nope, so just turn off 'Enable mobile device support' and the error will go away.
This fixed the error, thanks.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: daviduu on 2017-01-21 01:19:04
Excuse my ignorance if there's an obvious answer to this question, but is there any way to use the metadata mapping in the iPod manager to get an iPod classic to sort by the album artist tag instead of just the artist tag? I was trying to read up on stuff in the features documentation, but I was getting a little confused.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Zarggg on 2017-01-21 05:29:22
As long as the files have the appropriate "iTunes Compilation" tag set on them, the iPod firmware should default to the Album Artist and Album for sorting those files. See this thread for further information: https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,31211.0.html (https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,31211.0.html)
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: daviduu on 2017-01-21 21:35:09
As long as the files have the appropriate "iTunes Compilation" tag set on them, the iPod firmware should default to the Album Artist and Album for sorting those files. See this thread for further information: https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,31211.0.html (https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,31211.0.html)

But that would mean I need to make sure I add the iTunes compilation tag on every album I'm having a problem with, right? Wouldn't it easier in the long run if I just left it up to automation and somehow got the iPod to sort by album artist?

edit: Just checked with albums I already had with the compilation tag, and it also brings up the problem that they no longer appear in the "artist" section of the iPod, so it kind of defeats the whole purpose of what I'm trying to accomplish.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-01-22 10:02:21
The compilation flag probably won't do what you want on the iPod classic (https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,45160.msg692800.html#msg692800) (unless behaviour has changed since then).

(It's still worth noting that you can control which tracks are flagged as being part of a compilation using the compilation remapping in preferences.)

One option is to remap artist to album artist and put the track artist in the track title (when the album artist and artist metadata fields differ). See:
https://wiki.yuo.be/dop:start#how_can_i_make_my_ipod_display_album_artists_in_place_of_track_artists

(After changing the remappings, you'll need to use the 'Load library' command and then right-click on the relevant tracks and select 'iPod/Update metadata'.)
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Raikku on 2017-01-23 11:30:44
I have iPod 4G(16gb) and my music in it is from somewhere 2009-2011 or so. Now I tried first time use fb to put some new music in it and of course it didn't work. When I dl'd library to pc's direction to fb, those albums which I added worked there but then in iPod use alone, they didn't worked. Player just skipped every song one by one.

Is it really so that song cannot have longer names, cause plugin always complain something about too long address etc, that's kinda stupid when in iTunes/iPod use there's no limitations in that. How you get addresses/names short enough to work? And that also prevent to put folders including music, that just give that "too long..."-message.

And I have to say that I don't totally understand that basic instruction about that you have to first put files to your device and choose them from there and then add them with fb to iPod's library. If I do that, I get duplicates from every song, and in the end they still doesn't work.

Wouldn't want to use iTunes to just add music to iPod, iT is crappy program with lots of unwanted processes, and it try to take over too much from your pc.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-01-23 20:13:34
It sounds like you are manually copying the tracks to your iPod and then using the Send to iPod command on them? That will cause you to be subject to the device's path length restrictions and if too many files are in the same directory the device won't play them.

The normal way to use the component is to use the send/sync commands with files on your computer and let the component copy them to your iPod.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: daviduu on 2017-01-24 00:01:42
One option is to remap artist to album artist and put the track artist in the track title (when the album artist and artist metadata fields differ). See:
https://wiki.yuo.be/dop:start#how_can_i_make_my_ipod_display_album_artists_in_place_of_track_artists

(After changing the remappings, you'll need to use the 'Load library' command and then right-click on the relevant tracks and select 'iPod/Update metadata'.)

Seemed to work well with one album I tested. Resynching my library now, so it'll take a while to see how it works with everything.

One question: if a file has no album artist data, would that be a problem?

I appreciate your help by the way! I can't believe I didn't check the full FAQ first.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: daviduu on 2017-01-25 04:05:49
Just wanna quickly say that everything worked, and for the first time in years, my iPod is looking the way I've always wanted it to. I almost sold my iPod for another DAP but decided against it when its sorting was even worse than the iPod Classic (can't believe they didn't have the option to sort by album artist from the get go). Definitely gonna keep it from here on out.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-01-25 13:02:32
Glad to hear it. The FAQ does need a general review, but that question happened to still be relevant :)
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dux on 2017-02-14 12:50:19
After over 6 years of using this successfully and reliably on 3 different iPods I only today found the automatic conversion tab in the component settings. For years I'd done the tedious work of manual transcoding and transferring of flacs. I always wished a customizable converter was included but figured hey, it's old software, works well otherwise can't have it all.

I come to this thread to research "Files with chapters not currently supported by foo_dop" error (not a big deal, .cue split single files are rare anyway) and found you are still helping your users. wow! Going to see if I can jig a way to get the conversion encoder to include album art automatically into the mp3 tags while it converts them. Album artwork tagging works fine when transferring normal mp3s from within foobar playlists but the converted-on-the-fly ones don't seem to, even if the included cover art fits the foobar album cover naming convention/folder location (just tested this). even if I can't this is still fantastic.

Thanks musicmusic for this awesome, robust, rich program that's served me for years and saved from iTunes and its bloated crapware cousins
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-02-15 13:16:42
Hi,

Thanks!

From memory, the problem with chapters is that the iPod handles them rather differently to foobar2000. I believe that if the audio data is in an unsupported format, they will work in that the component will transcode the chapters into separate tracks. iTunes MP4 chapters also used to work (but again these were somewhat different and used for e.g. podcasts).

Regarding artwork, are you referring to embedding external artwork after conversion, or transferring/preserving embedded artwork? Regardless, I don't think it would be that difficult to implement, but I think the logic was that the iPod does not use embedded artwork, so there is no point spending time embedding artwork in the converted files. (Possibly the relevant foobar2000 APIs did not exist at the time, either.)

Thanks
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kugel on 2017-04-12 21:24:08
Hi together,

After years I just got another 4G iPod and converted it to use an SD card with an iFlash-Duo board. Everything seems to be working as normal while I try to sync my music and it copies the music to the iPod (besides some tracks where it says "gave up looking for a filename").

However, most of the time my iPod does not show any of the synced music. Earlier I copied something new to it and it worked. Then I copied something again and all tracks are gone again. I have tried restarting the iPod but that does not help.

I am using foobar2000 1.3.14 and foo_dop 0.6.9.7 on Windows 7. Interestingly I can not copy anything to the iPod on my Windoes 10 machine with neither foo_dop nor ITunes - they both get stuck upon copying the first track.

Do you have any idea why tracks do not show up? I'll backup the DB as soon as I get it working again and then compare it to the non-working DB.

Thanks in Advance
kugel
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-04-14 20:21:24
'Gave up looking for a filename' sounds suspicious – are your songs' file names made up entirely of non-ASCII characters? You might want to do a file listing of your iPod to see what's on there.

As for no tracks showing up, how fast is the SD card? Does it happen when exclusively using iTunes?
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kugel on 2017-04-16 08:55:06
Hi musicmusic,

Thank you for your reply.

It seems that I have found the song limit for a least the 20 GB 4th gen iPod. On the drive there are 50 folders (F00-F49) which each can be filled with 512 songs which amounts to 25600. When filling the iPod to this limit it does not show any songs anymore (so you can't listen to them). If I try to fill more songs on the iPod with the foo_dop plugin for foobar it gives the error "Gave up looking for a suitable filename" - I don't know yet how iTunes would react. Going in reverse I was able to achieve having 24000 songs working on it.

Maybe you could add this information to your page. I am using a PNY Elite 256 GB Card. The write speed on the iPod in disk mode is ~4 MB/s - it should be a lot faster if I write to it directly.

Cheers
Nikolai
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kugel on 2017-04-16 10:21:27
Hi again,

that does not seem to have been the only issue. Now with less songs on, I still can not send some albums to the iPod:

(https://picload.org/image/rcapgwor/unbenannt.png)

Any Ideas? There are not necessarily special characters in the filenames.

Cheers
Nikolai
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-04-16 10:43:52
The error and no songs showing up should not be directly related. The 'Gave up looking for suitable filename' error is a result of how this component names files when transferred to the iPod. File names are first truncated and converted to ASCII (due to iPod limitations, with accents etc. being removed, and other characters converted to underscores). The Fxx directory with the lowest number of files is picked. If the new file name exists in there, it is truncated again and '(0)' appended. While the file name exists, that repeats until it gets to '(99)' when it then gives up if the file still exists. The intention was to attempt to preserve the original file names as much as possible.

iTunes on the other hand did something like pick four random letters for the file name, so conflicts would be rare. The algorithm used by this component could be made smarter, but no one reported encountering that error before. Hence it would be useful to have some idea of what your (original) file names look like, and what the contents of one of your Fxx directories looks like.

[Edit:] Check how many files you have in total in the Fxx directories and how many you actually in the device's database (e.g. using 'Load library').
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kugel on 2017-04-16 13:41:43
Ah you nailed it! I have 1.(0) - 1.(99) in and then it is not able to copy the filename anymore. Is there a possibility to change the renaming pattern? I guess in the source you published.

I had some odd behaviour again:
Now I had a working database and tried to add sth - it would complain about the filename again with the same error. After this I did not see any songs. Then I deleted sth from the iPod view (and thus also the iPod) and they showed up!

At the moment with the working configuration I have 23864 files and also as many songs in the foobar iPod view.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-04-16 14:28:49
That makes sense – it would take the first eight characters and '01 - 01' isn't very unique. I can make it a bit smarter to avoid these kind of conflicts.

Probably you've found a hard limit on what your iPod model can handle, and it may be related to the database size. I did a quick search online and didn't find anything about the iPod 4G, but found this about the iPod 5G:
https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/50726/Highest+possible+capacity+for+a+30gb+iPod+5th+gen#answer88383
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: kugel on 2017-04-16 18:31:06
I didn't know you are still working on the code - I am happy enough that you reply to questions in this thread!

As for the song limit I have read about it and I was completely unsure how it would appear. My iPod is not rebooting endlessly but just doesn't show the songs. I will fiddle around a bit more. It is weird that sometimes it would show the tracks and sometimes not  - even when I don't add or remove lots of songs. But I guess that in this case this is what is considered "unstable".
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-04-16 22:12:15
I didn't know you are still working on the code - I am happy enough that you reply to questions in this thread!
I haven't been, but I don't anticipate it being a large change.

As for the song limit I have read about it and I was completely unsure how it would appear. My iPod is not rebooting endlessly but just doesn't show the songs. I will fiddle around a bit more. It is weird that sometimes it would show the tracks and sometimes not  - even when I don't add or remove lots of songs. But I guess that in this case this is what is considered "unstable".
How large is your iTunesDB?
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: K336 on 2017-04-20 07:28:34
nvm
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nanonyma on 2017-09-11 12:58:47
Hi everybody,

due to the stop of any further production of iPod Nano i've decided to buy a last one. I own an almost 2 year old Nano 7G which i've downgraded to firmware version 1.0.2 to get it working with this great plugin.

Well, i thought i can do this with the iPod i've got a few days ago as well, but unfortunately iTunes tells me that the firmware 1.0.2 is not compatible - on the new iPod firmware 1.1.2 is installed.

Is this just a lousy warning or is the new iPod really not able to run the 1.0.2 firmware - as it's not a major up/down-grade i thought there could be a way to get this 1.0.2 firmware on my iPod without bricking it.

Is there anybody who can help me out with some information if and how?

Many thanks in advance
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-09-12 08:31:31
I don't have a definitive answer for you, but it's not inconceivable. If there is a recovery mode, you could try that (but, well, you might still run the risk of bricking it).

It seems unlikely that what's stopping the component from working with newer iPod nano software versions is a big deal. No promises, but I'll try and pick up one and see what I can find out.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nanonyma on 2017-09-12 12:07:49
That would be really great if you could make the plugin compatible with the latest nano software. Our whole family has bought iPods in reserve and we are all used to using Foobar with your plugin.

That would be a huge relief in the future not to have to resort to alternative software. The only working workaround at the moment is CopyTransManager, but unfortunately no comparison to the usability of Foobar in connection with your plugin.

Since no more iPod-versions will be released on the market, this solution would probably last forever. If I can be of any help, let me know.

Thank you very much in advance for all your efforts - and of course thanks for the great relief during the last years with this great tool.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-09-20 13:01:10
OK, I've got my iPod nano and it came with software version 1.1.1.

First point, some quick Googling suggests that newer (possibly post-2015-refresh) iPod nano 7Gs use software 1.1.x while older ones use 1.0.x.

Second point, my first observation was that there have been some (probably minor) schema changes to the SQLite database. This component supports schema version 22 while my iPod supports 25 and 26.

I haven't been able to fully check what else is different yet.

What would be useful from you actually is a copy of the output of the 'Raw properties' command (accessible from Shift + File/iPod/Raw properties) for 1.0.2 (and any other 1.0.x software version you have access to if possible). PM it to me as it will contain serial numbers and similar stuff.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2017-09-23 18:55:17
If I just change some tags in an album. i.e One new album has "Pink" instead of "P!nk". There is a way to do this w/o having to "Synchronize" the entire collection?
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-09-23 20:32:42
@Nanonyma Thanks for the file. Good news – I've got syncing working with Nano 7G software versions 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 locally. I've got a few other bits to update, but there should be a new version out in a few days or so.

@TheEmpathicEar If you mean changing the tags directly on the iPod, then yes, you can run 'Load library', edit tags directly on the tracks displayed and then right-click on them and run 'iPod/Update metadata'. However, if you mean updating tracks locally, then you'll have to resync.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nanonyma on 2017-09-24 00:00:05
That sounds really fantastic. I downloaded your code a few days ago and tried to read in a little bit - but to be honest: that's a bit more than my scripting skills allow ;) So I'm really glad you found a solution^^.

If you're about to rediscover your work, may I give you a request for a small update: would it be possible to add one or two fallbacks to the artwork source script? So that the plugin searches one after the other (for example "cover; folder; front") and integrates what is found first as artwork. But please don't feel obliged, that would be the only point I noticed in the handling. Otherwise the plugin is just perfect, the on-the-fly-conversion is absolutely ingenious.

I'm looking forward to managing the new ipod as easy and fast as all its previos ones :))
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2017-09-24 00:47:16
@musicmusicmusic
Let's start over. I am confused.
1. I am just changing some tags in one album in my music collection on my hard drive. Normally, if I added/deleted music to it, then I would use "Synchronize" to add/delete music on the iPod.
2. I thought that I only changed tags in my music collection, then it was possible to make those corresponding changes to the same music in my iPod? Correct me if am wrong about this?
3. I always thought that the "Synchronize" function was rather slow because it has to check EVERYTHING in your music collection and then reflect those changes on the iPod.
4. Anyway, I thought it was possible to just change some tags in the IPod that correspond to those changed in the music collection? IOW, w/o having to a complete "Synchronize" to the iPod?
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nanonyma on 2017-09-24 01:26:51
@TheEmpathicEar: You don't have to synchronisze anything. You can just files "send to ipod" or "delete from ipod". That's one of the great benefits of this tool.

If you change meta in your hdd-collection and want them to be changed on your iPod as well, you have to resync these files. But you can also change meta directly on your iPod, and to make these changes visible you have to "update metadata".
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2017-09-24 01:31:20
@TheEmpathicEar: You don't have to synchronisze anything. You can just files "send to ipod" or "delete from ipod". That's one of the great benefits of this tool.

If you change meta in your hdd-collection and want them to be changed on your iPod as well, you have to resync these files. But you can also change meta directly on your iPod, and to make these changes visible you have to "update metadata".
Ok. I thought there might be a way to avoid "Synchronizing" the entire collection - that is, if you only change "meta" as you put it. "
Synchronize", adds/deletes, music files, as I understand it.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2017-09-24 01:33:34
2. I thought that I only changed tags in my music collection, then it was possible to make those corresponding changes to the same music in my iPod? Correct me if am wrong about this?
AFAIR no, when you sync only the updated files (since the previous sync) are actually transferred.

Unfortunately I'm unable to check as I've had no success using this plugin with the latest iPhone generations. Maybe if musicmusic is resuming his work on foo_dop I can hope... :)
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: samuelawachie on 2017-09-28 10:31:55
Hello
I have the iPod nano 7th gen. I use this software to manage the iPod as I find iTunes quite annoying really.
I also use Foobar2000 to play music but I add them with iTunes (as i noticed some tracks skipped if they weren't imported via itunes)
I have the software version version 1.0.2 installed on the nano as the 1.0.4 appears not to be compatible with Foobar.
Recently though, i've noticed that my Smart playlists created on the ipod have very wrong Play-Counts. They were reading values well into the million and billion range. I don't know what caused this. Perhaps playing songs in Foobar which has its own play_count statistics or something. This obviously just messed up my playlists (as I have smart playlists that keep track of my Top 10 and top 100 and so on..)
What could be wrong? Is version 1.0.4 now compatible with foobar? Is there any other way around this issue?
Also, is there a way i can use the "genius" feature on the ipod without allowing iTunes to manage the iPod?
Thanks in advance to any tips, suggestions or ideas. (:
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-09-28 22:29:59
Unfortunately I'm unable to check as I've had no success using this plugin with the latest iPhone generations. Maybe if musicmusic is resuming his work on foo_dop I can hope... :)
Unfortunately the status of iOS 5+ support remains along the lines of previous messages. It's not just supporting the new sync protocol – it's also fixing the fact the component doesn't work with the 64-bit versions of the iTunes libraries.

Hello
I have the iPod nano 7th gen. I use this software to manage the iPod as I find iTunes quite annoying really.
I also use Foobar2000 to play music but I add them with iTunes (as i noticed some tracks skipped if they weren't imported via itunes)
I have the software version version 1.0.2 installed on the nano as the 1.0.4 appears not to be compatible with Foobar.
Recently though, i've noticed that my Smart playlists created on the ipod have very wrong Play-Counts. They were reading values well into the million and billion range. I don't know what caused this. Perhaps playing songs in Foobar which has its own play_count statistics or something. This obviously just messed up my playlists (as I have smart playlists that keep track of my Top 10 and top 100 and so on..)
What could be wrong? Is version 1.0.4 now compatible with foobar? Is there any other way around this issue?
Also, is there a way i can use the "genius" feature on the ipod without allowing iTunes to manage the iPod?
Thanks in advance to any tips, suggestions or ideas. (:
I expect 1.0.4 will work with the new version coming out soon.

Interesting about the smart playlist/play counts problem. I don't immediately see anything odd about play counts – there could be something wrong on the smart playlists side, but that sounds like an odd symptom. Could you share a picture so I'm clear on what you're seeing? If you open File/iPod/Manage contents, find one of the problematic files and right-click and select Item details, does it show the wrong info?

No support for genius I'm afraid. It's a bit of a non-starter as the database was thought to be encrypted. Even then, one would need a source for the data to power it.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-09-29 08:37:31
If you're about to rediscover your work, may I give you a request for a small update: would it be possible to add one or two fallbacks to the artwork source script? So that the plugin searches one after the other (for example "cover; folder; front") and integrates what is found first as artwork.
There's the option to use the built-in foobar2000 artwork reader – does that not give you more flexibility?
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nanonyma on 2017-09-29 13:42:13
@musicmusic::

The built-in foobar2000 artwork reader is activated, but I have never really put this feature to the acid test. Thanks for the tip. Even if the order may not be the desired one (in Foobar the picture with the highest resolution is the prioritized one, which will lead to useless wasting of space on the iPod) it may be easier than renaming the artwork manually every time.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: mobyduck on 2017-09-29 14:58:45
Unfortunately the status of iOS 5+ support remains along the lines of previous messages. It's not just supporting the new sync protocol
I see; bummer, cause I really liked the friendliness of your plugin.

Long shot (and probably OT here) but now that there's a fb2k mobile version and, AFAIK, it can read iTunes db AND the "documents folder", would it be a lot of work to modify foo_dop (or write a new plugin) to manage that folder?
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nanonyma on 2017-10-01 16:22:48
It's so nice to watch musicmusic working on the plugin at GitHub and to follow piece by piece what's going on.

Press F5 and see the salvation coming closer and closer... ^^
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-10-02 22:11:55
@musicmusic::

The built-in foobar2000 artwork reader is activated, but I have never really put this feature to the acid test. Thanks for the tip. Even if the order may not be the desired one (in Foobar the picture with the highest resolution is the prioritized one, which will lead to useless wasting of space on the iPod) it may be easier than renaming the artwork manually every time.
Actually, the high resolution won't make much difference. The artwork has to be scaled to specific resolutions that the device wants.

I see; bummer, cause I really liked the friendliness of your plugin.

Long shot (and probably OT here) but now that there's a fb2k mobile version and, AFAIK, it can read iTunes db AND the "documents folder", would it be a lot of work to modify foo_dop (or write a new plugin) to manage that folder?
I'm struggling to maintain the components I already have :)

It's so nice to watch musicmusic working on the plugin at GitHub and to follow piece by piece what's going on.

Press F5 and see the salvation coming closer and closer... ^^
That's also me fiddling with a code base that I've barely touched in six years :)

0.7.0 is now out: https://yuo.be/ipod_manager

I've tested it on nano 7G software version 1.1.2 and haven't noticed anything wrong – let me know how you get on.

A full list of changes can be found in the change log:
https://github.com/reupen/ipod_manager/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Nanonyma on 2017-10-03 01:18:26
Quote from: musicmusic
Actually, the high resolution won't make much difference. The artwork has to be scaled to specific resolutions that the device wants.
Okay, I didn't know that. So all well with the fallbacks^^

Quote from: musicmusic
0.7.0 is now out: https://yuo.be/ipod_manager
For the fact that you had almost nothing to do with the code for such a long time, the result is simply great.
I tested the new version with an old Nano 4G and also with the Nano 7G v1.1.2 and found no errors.
Also the communication between iPod and Foobar seems to run faster, very very nice work.

On behalf of all iPod and Foobar users: Thank you so much for all your efforts !!!
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: Meik Thiemann on 2017-10-05 16:14:36
Yesterday I updated my iPod Nano 7G to v1.0.4 and it works without any trouble.
(i had to downgrade it when I bought it in order to work with foobar2000)

@musicmusic:
Thanks a lot for work. I really appreciated it.

@Nanonyma:
What ist v1.1.2 for the 7G Nano? iTunes tells me 1.0.4 is the latest one.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: samuelawachie on 2017-10-05 18:57:19
Unfortunately I'm unable to check as I've had no success using this plugin with the latest iPhone generations. Maybe if musicmusic is resuming his work on foo_dop I can hope... :)
Unfortunately the status of iOS 5+ support remains along the lines of previous messages. It's not just supporting the new sync protocol – it's also fixing the fact the component doesn't work with the 64-bit versions of the iTunes libraries.

Hello
I have the iPod nano 7th gen. I use this software to manage the iPod as I find iTunes quite annoying really.
I also use Foobar2000 to play music but I add them with iTunes (as i noticed some tracks skipped if they weren't imported via itunes)
I have the software version version 1.0.2 installed on the nano as the 1.0.4 appears not to be compatible with Foobar.
Recently though, i've noticed that my Smart playlists created on the ipod have very wrong Play-Counts. They were reading values well into the million and billion range. I don't know what caused this. Perhaps playing songs in Foobar which has its own play_count statistics or something. This obviously just messed up my playlists (as I have smart playlists that keep track of my Top 10 and top 100 and so on..)
What could be wrong? Is version 1.0.4 now compatible with foobar? Is there any other way around this issue?
Also, is there a way i can use the "genius" feature on the ipod without allowing iTunes to manage the iPod?
Thanks in advance to any tips, suggestions or ideas. (:
I expect 1.0.4 will work with the new version coming out soon.

Interesting about the smart playlist/play counts problem. I don't immediately see anything odd about play counts – there could be something wrong on the smart playlists side, but that sounds like an odd symptom. Could you share a picture so I'm clear on what you're seeing? If you open File/iPod/Manage contents, find one of the problematic files and right-click and select Item details, does it show the wrong info?

No support for genius I'm afraid. It's a bit of a non-starter as the database was thought to be encrypted. Even then, one would need a source for the data to power it.

It just seems odd.
Also, the last poster said he updated his Nano to 1.0.4 and had no issues with foobar usage.
I just wonder whether he lost his data when doing the upgrade? I know for a fact that when i downgraded, i had to lose my music files.
Should I update? Is the 1.0.2 what's causing my issues?
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: samuelawachie on 2017-10-05 19:06:09
The direct info for another song on the iPod from foobar (from the directory you requested)
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-10-05 20:19:07
@Nanonyma:
What ist v1.1.2 for the 7G Nano? iTunes tells me 1.0.4 is the latest one.
There are two hardware revisions of the device. Older ones run 1.0.x, newer ones run 1.1.x.

It just seems odd.
Also, the last poster said he updated his Nano to 1.0.4 and had no issues with foobar usage.
I just wonder whether he lost his data when doing the upgrade? I know for a fact that when i downgraded, i had to lose my music files.
Should I update? Is the 1.0.2 what's causing my issues?
Hmm, that does look odd. Almost like an endianness problem (but not quite). I've checked my device and all the play counts are fine.

You said:
Quote
I have the iPod nano 7th gen. I use this software to manage the iPod as I find iTunes quite annoying really.
I also use Foobar2000 to play music but I add them with iTunes (as i noticed some tracks skipped if they weren't imported via itunes)
What commands do you use in this component? Note that using any commands from this component that modify the contents of the device when iTunes is running is going to lead to problems (but perhaps not this problem).

Also:
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: samuelawachie on 2017-10-06 02:51:26
@Nanonyma:
What ist v1.1.2 for the 7G Nano? iTunes tells me 1.0.4 is the latest one.
There are two hardware revisions of the device. Older ones run 1.0.x, newer ones run 1.1.x.

It just seems odd.
Also, the last poster said he updated his Nano to 1.0.4 and had no issues with foobar usage.
I just wonder whether he lost his data when doing the upgrade? I know for a fact that when i downgraded, i had to lose my music files.
Should I update? Is the 1.0.2 what's causing my issues?
Hmm, that does look odd. Almost like an endianness problem (but not quite). I've checked my device and all the play counts are fine.

You said:
Quote
I have the iPod nano 7th gen. I use this software to manage the iPod as I find iTunes quite annoying really.
I also use Foobar2000 to play music but I add them with iTunes (as i noticed some tracks skipped if they weren't imported via itunes)
What commands do you use in this component? Note that using any commands from this component that modify the contents of the device when iTunes is running is going to lead to problems (but perhaps not this problem).

Also:
  • Are any of the last played, last skipped and skip count values corrupted?
  • Do you use the Playback Statistics component in foobar2000?
  • Are any of the play counts in your foobar2000 media library corrupted?
  • Are you able to corrupt a new file sent to the iPod?
  • Do you have launch iTunes when the iPod is connected disabled?
  • What kind of play count values would you be expecting for those files?
  • Are any of the values in the 'towards the end' screenshot corrupted?


I don't use any commands in the component at all.
All the other values are okay (last played, skipped etc., on both applications and on the device)
Yes, I use Playback Statistics. (I actually think this is the cause of the problem. As I use Foobar for music playback once I'm on my computer, and I play it off the iPod, it tries to increment the play_count and perhaps it tries to also increment it on the device too and it confuses iTunes :P )
No, no playcounts on my media library on foobar are corrupted.
I don't know. I've not tried corrupting a file on purpose before. O.o
Yes, the auto-launch iTunes_on_connected_iPod is well and truly disabled. Why would i leave it on? I only use iTunes to import the files as I find playback on foobar is better in quality and ease of use. Do you think that's a problem?
I would have been expecting close to maybe 120 for the top files and close to 7 for the lower ones.
Almost all of the files have their playcount values wrong, except perhaps the ones I just imported most recently (about 20 or so)

Just seems odd though. I'm surprised no one has experienced this. I just use the sort by play_count on foobar to get my "real" top-10 and top-50 playlists. Thank God Foobar keeps its own statistics separate from the one in the device, or this would have been a BIG issue then.

Thanks to you guys though. It's always nice to speak to one of these brilliant developers. I did Computer Science but i'm more into Networking than Programming (so i appreciate it when i see pple like you who really know your stuff; well done).
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-10-06 08:51:00
If you haven't used any of the modifying commands in the component like sync, remove files, send files, rewrite database, 'Save and close' in Manage contents etc. then it's definitely not related to this component. Load library doesn't modify the device at all.  If you don't use Load library then you don't even need this component.

When you play some songs on the device, the iPod creates a Play Counts file which contains how many additional plays there have been for each track. They get imported into the device's main database when use a modifying command from this component, or when you launch iTunes. I don't think this is where the problem has happened though. If you convert the dodgy values to hex you'll see that the ones near the top of the list only have data in the top bytes/bits. Some have data in the lowest bits, which could mean that they've been played after the event that corrupted them all. But that pattern is thrown out of the window towards the end of the list. It's not clear to me how you'd get to the values you're expecting from what's now there. I haven't checked all the values though.

If you don't care about those play counts, I'd suggest just resetting their plays in iTunes and monitoring the situation.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2017-10-07 17:21:53
@musicmusic The iPod Manager update v0.7.0 will not be found by the "Get Updates" feature in FooBar?
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: MaxDread on 2017-10-07 23:05:10
I see support is dropped for XP in the latest version...  But can it still be used with XP?

Also, when I go to the components page there is no option to download?  Does it need to be downloaded from somewhere else, or is it because I am on XP?

Many thanks
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-10-08 11:27:46
@musicmusic The iPod Manager update v0.7.0 will not be found by the "Get Updates" feature in FooBar?
I've updated the version on the components site now, but the download has never been offered there, so I think foobar2000's behaviour is to just log that there's an update in the console.

I see support is dropped for XP in the latest version...  But can it still be used with XP?
It hasn't been tested, but it's not actively blocked.

Also, when I go to the components page there is no option to download?  Does it need to be downloaded from somewhere else, or is it because I am on XP?
The download is here: https://yuo.be/ipod_manager
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: lvqcl on 2017-10-08 12:34:33
I see support is dropped for XP in the latest version...  But can it still be used with XP?
It hasn't been tested, but it's not actively blocked.

foo_dop now requires InitializeCriticalSectionEx function which isn't available in WinXP. So it will refuse to load on XP.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2017-10-08 22:20:39
Looks like that's coming from ATL which is being included by some SAPI (speech API) headers. So, indeed, it does no longer work on XP at all.
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: dux on 2018-06-09 05:12:54
Hi again musicmusic. Recently came into a 4g shuffle, still often used for their waterproof capability. (that's my intention  :P ) Got this error while trying to write/delete, and google turned up this comment on this thread:

i tried it with an iPod shuffle 4G (present) and i got this error message : Failed to query device properties. Write operations are disabled.

When i checked my properties i got this:
Model: iPod Shuffle 4G Blue
Serial Number: CC4H153TDFDP
Firmware Version: 1.0.1

Battery Status: Charging
Raw Battery Data: 0 / 3 / 99

Drive Total Capacity: 1,88 GB
Drive Free Space: 1,28 GB

So it seems like foobar CAN read the ipod's properties.

Any clues what's wrong?
Thanks in advance!

Thanks!

It might be that your iPod has a USB product ID (PID) that iPod manager doesn't recognise. Could you post the contents of the foobar2000 console after plugging the iPod shuffle in?

Also, if you hold down Shift, click on File and then iPod/Raw properties, does it output anything?

Odd chance you're feeling interested in bughunting, Here's the console info of me unplugging it/plugging it in

Quote
iPod manager: Apple iPod/iPhone disconnected. Device Instance Path: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1303&MI_00\000A27002324BC7A&AAPL0
iPod manager: Failed to get iPod checkpoint data - Unsupported file format. Artwork functionality will be unavailable.
iPod manager: Apple iPod/iPhone connected. Device Instance Path: USB\VID_05AC&PID_1303&MI_00\000A27002324BC7A&AAPL0

And here's the Shift+File Ipod Raw Properites

Quote
removed by moderation

note: I'd just deleted the contents of the device in windows iTunes 12.1 and then added a single file back via itunes to get this info.  If you're keen on info to solve this I'll be happy to provide whatever data I can.

Thanks again for this great software
Title: Re: [seemingly abandonware] iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2018-06-09 09:32:25
It sounds like it's failing to parse the XML plist data, but I ran that example through the relevant function in the component and it was happy. I don't have a shuffle 4G so I'd probably have to send you a few builds with extra logging to work out what's going on.

note: I'd just deleted the contents of the device in windows iTunes 12.1 and then added a single file back via itunes to get this info.
What effect did doing that have on your ability to get that info out?

If you restart foobar2000 after receiving that error, is there any change?

Also note that multiple serial numbers are in that data, so if you don't want those to be public remove it (I have a copy now).
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: dux on 2018-06-10 01:42:40
It sounds like it's failing to parse the XML plist data, but I ran that example through the relevant function in the component and it was happy. I don't have a shuffle 4G so I'd probably have to send you a few builds with extra logging to work out what's going on.

note: I'd just deleted the contents of the device in windows iTunes 12.1 and then added a single file back via itunes to get this info.
What effect did doing that have on your ability to get that info out?

If you restart foobar2000 after receiving that error, is there any change?

Also note that multiple serial numbers are in that data, so if you don't want those to be public remove it (I have a copy now).

Thanks to mod Peter for removing PII (i presume?) and mm for pointing it out. I'll post any logs containing serial number/etc stuff via PM to the relevant recipients for now.

@musicmusic Do you want me to restart foobar2000 and show you the raw properties again? If you need to send me 'a few builds with extra logging' I will be happy to do the test work and send you the results. Let me know whatever info you need (within parameters of my ability to provide it). Running win7 sp1 and latest foobar/latest foo_dop.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: Jack Schmaltz on 2018-07-27 07:54:30
Hey guys,

I realise this component is practically dead but I've recently noticed that foobar no longer imports play counts, rating changes or other playback stats from my iPod Classic (still imports scrobbles though). Has anyone else encountered this problem?
I'm not 100% sure when this started happening. I do know for certain it was fully functional on my old Windows 7 setup around 12 months ago but didn't notice until fairly recently on my Windows 10 set up... a bit fuzzy unfortunately.
I've tried using an earlier version of foo_dop, reinstalled the latest, messing with file permissions, & I've about exhausted everything I can think of to do.
If anyone has some suggestions &/or is able to help please do.

Thanks
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2018-08-11 11:57:48
Do you have the Playback Statistics component (http://foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_playcount) installed?

That has not been updated since 2011, and you say plays are still being scrobbled, so it would be odd if it's stopped working.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-08-19 15:30:51
Example: I have two albums titled, "Greatest Hits", one by Neil Young and one by Guns N Roses, both released in 2004. In album view, instead of having two separate entries, one for each album, I have one entry with all tracks for both albums listed together. i.e. Track 1, Track 1, Track 2, Track 2, etc. What to do? Is this a matter of settings? If I browse by artist, each album is displayed separately.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-08-19 18:43:17
I may need more up-to-date documentation. I am using this (https://wiki.yuo.be/dop:config:database). But, this does not have "Allow the use of sort order metadata fields from tags" [which I hoped might help] in the Database tab displayed on my foodop v0.70fb2k.
I checked the box for this. I found the "Load library". But, could not find "Update Metadata on IPod"?? [Where the heck is this??] I am trying update everything and not individual tracks. So, I just did the "Rewrite database". 1. I don't know if this process will help my specific issue in my post above? 2. Or, if missing a step here means it will not work?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2018-08-19 22:45:53
I haven't used this in a while but what recall you need to do is load the library first which puts the contents of the iPod in to a playlist. On that playlist you should be able to right click a song or group of songs and see that Update Metadata on iPod option.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-08-19 22:55:52
I haven't used this in a while but what recall you need to do is load the library first which puts the contents of the iPod in to a playlist. On that playlist you should be able to right click a song or group of songs and see that Update Metadata on iPod option.
Thx, but I'll be damned if I can find this after using "Load Library"?? I'll have to wait for @musicmusic or anyone else who can provide a clear image, process, etc.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2018-08-19 23:08:53
It's there, ipod > Update Metadata.

Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-08-19 23:22:42
It's there, ipod > Update Metadata.


Well, this helps a lot. When I right-click on a track [after using "Load Library" or not], the only option I see in the right-click menu is "Send to IPod"?? I tried this in "Facets" and in another library. What did you do before the right-click?
EDIT: If you read my previous posts, I was trying "Allow the use of sort order metadata fields from tags" in the Database tab to try to correct something. I thought I needed the additional steps as well in order to put this into effect in my IPod. But, I don't know if this would actually work.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2018-08-19 23:38:15
Click file > iPod > load library. The contents of the iPod should be put in to a new playlist called iPod View. Right click any song within the iPod View playlist and you should see the same context menu in my screenshot.



Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-08-19 23:52:20
Click file > iPod > load library. The contents of the iPod should be put in to a new playlist called iPod View. Right click any song within the iPod View playlist and you should see the same context menu in my screenshot.
I was able to duplicate what you did. But, I never saw the term "iPod View". I just populated a playlist somehow. i.e. At the top left of my screen, the tool bar, I have "Library" selected. I switched to "Playlist" and it was my same music collection, but in a playlist.
Unfortunately, this did not solve my original issue with two albums only having one entry in my iPod. I will have to try something else.
Thx!,
EDIT: "Facets" is not a playlist, but a way to view your music library? In any case, when I switch to a playlist, the "Load Library" command populates it.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2018-08-20 00:27:19
I had a similar issue with an EP and an album from the same artist merging when put on to my iPod. There was 2 ways i found to work around it, either append the year to your albums name using the metadata mapping (album = %date% - %album%) or just rename the album.

I went with just renaming the album and put EP at the end.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-08-20 00:38:43
I had a similar issue with an EP and an album from the same artist merging when put on to my iPod. There was 2 ways i found to work around it, either append the year to your albums name using the metadata mapping (album = %date% - %album%) or just rename the album.

I went with just renaming the album and put EP at the end.
If you read back to my original post, I have two different artists, same album name, "Greatest Hits", same year, 2004, that are occupying the same entry in my iPod. Maybe there is some way to use your idea of mapping? I already use the year as part of my album mapping. So I can see it in my album view, but more importantly, in the artist view, I get a chronological listing of albums.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2018-08-20 03:23:49
Maybe edit the album tag so it's "Greatest Hits."?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-08-20 15:24:32
Maybe edit the album tag so it's "Greatest Hits."?
Both albums are "Greatest Hits". Do you mean adding a '.' to the end of one of them?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: anamorphic on 2018-08-20 17:33:00
Both albums are "Greatest Hits". Do you mean adding a '.' to the end of one of them?
Yes, or like I already suggested add a Zero Width Space (http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/200b/index.htm) - it'll look the same but sort separately. It works in foobar. I'm not sure how iPods like unicode characters though.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2018-08-20 19:54:24
@TheEmpathicEar What device do you have?

In general the fields that affect that kind of stuff are artist, album artist and the compilation flag (set via the remapping or IPOD_COMPILATION=1). But various iPod models have handled things differently over the years, and I'm not sure that there's a good solution for an iPod classic.

See also this post: https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,45160.msg934533.html#msg934533 (but I'm not sure that there's anything you can do to fix the Albums menu – you could always verify that you get the same behaviour with iTunes).
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-08-20 20:00:34
@TheEmpathicEar What device do you have?

In general the fields that affect that kind of stuff are artist, album artist and the compilation flag (set via the remapping or IPOD_COMPILATION=1). But various iPod models have handled things differently over the years, and I'm not sure that there's a good solution for an iPod classic.

See also this post: https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,45160.msg934533.html#msg934533 (but I'm not sure that there's anything you can do to fix the Albums menu – you could always verify that you get the same behaviour with iTunes).
I have the iPod Seventh Gen 160GB [no touch screen] model. I think it's really a 6th Gen that is referred to as 7th Gen. I don't use Itunes or even have it installed.
I thought maybe you would know a mapping in the Database Tab that might help?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2018-08-21 07:19:30
You could add an album remapping that checks if the album is 'Greatest Hits' and then appends the album artist if so. I'm not sure you're going to get much better than that.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-08-21 18:05:24
You could add an album remapping that checks if the album is 'Greatest Hits' and then appends the album artist if so. I'm not sure you're going to get much better than that.
What do you think about @anamorphic 's idea of Zero Width Space (http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/200b/index.htm) ? Maybe a conditional of some sort when a situation like mine with two albums with the same name in the same year? I already am using a mapping the displays my albums with the year in brackets: '[2004]'
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2018-08-22 02:34:39
Why don't you simply try one of the methods suggested to see if it fixes the problem?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-08-22 02:57:49
Why don't you simply try one of the methods suggested to see if it fixes the problem?
I was intrigued the most by the above. But, I was not sure how to implement it. Your idea of renaming is simple enough. I was just hoping for something elegant. I'm just picky I guess...
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-08-26 16:00:00
Both albums are "Greatest Hits". Do you mean adding a '.' to the end of one of them?
Yes, or like I already suggested add a Zero Width Space (http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/200b/index.htm) - it'll look the same but sort separately. It works in foobar. I'm not sure how iPods like unicode characters though.
I would like to try this. I used the above link, but found the instructions on how to enter this confusing. Could someone provide some  step-by-step? In Windows Explorer, I often use "Edit ID-Tab" to change tags. Also, I use Tag&Rename [if this has an easier method to do this]
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: anamorphic on 2018-08-26 17:41:15
I would like to try this. I used the above link, but found the instructions on how to enter this confusing.
Honestly from what I've read, an iPod probably would not display unicode characters correctly. You would probably just see a square box instead.

If you want to try though, just select this text (right-click Select All) and copy (right-click Copy) -

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Greatest Hits​

- and paste (right-click Paste) it into your %album% tag replacing the contents.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-08-26 18:31:13
I would like to try this. I used the above link, but found the instructions on how to enter this confusing.
Honestly from what I've read, an iPod probably would not display unicode characters correctly. You would probably just see a square box instead.

If you want to try though, just select this text (right-click Select All) and copy (right-click Copy) -

Code: [Select]
Greatest Hits​

- and paste (right-click Paste) it into your %album% tag replacing the contents.

It worked both in Foobar and in the iPod. No "square box". Both albums, "Greatest Hits", appear as so. Thanks so much! Just in case, I ever come across 3 albums with the same name and the same year: Could you explain how to do this in either Windows Explorer, Foobar, or Tag&Rename? [I know it's highly unlikely. But, in general, it would be helpful and maybe to other as well]
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: Darth Urf on 2018-09-07 06:20:33
Hi, people!

Sorry to merge in like that, but I seem to have a small problem: I must be pretty stupid, and I am pretty sure the solution is pretty simple, but I can't for the life of me download the 0.7.0 version of the iPod manager add-on.
When I click the button to start the download, my Firefox just goes "unknown time left" and just doesn't download at all.
I guess the problem comes from my end, a firewall or whatnot, but as I can't seem to put the finger on it, well...

Any answer would be much appreciated!

Thank you in advance, and good day to you all!
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2018-09-18 07:07:42
There's nothing particularly special about the download, so that shouldn't really be happening.

I would try disabling anything that could interfere with the download (internet security software etc.), try a different browser, computer and/or internet connection.

If you are still aren't having any luck, press F12 on the download page, switch to the Network tab and start the download. There should be an entry for the download in the network log – select it and post a screenshot. Also right-click and select 'Save all as HAR' and post that file.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: nosmokingbandit on 2018-09-26 18:50:00
I I have a 4th gen shuffle that I use for podcasts. But when I transfer the track to the ipod the playback position is lost. How can I have it remember playback position?

I'm using the latest ipod manager 0.7.0 and foobar 1.3.17
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2018-09-26 20:02:56
For iPod shuffles, it requires the program syncing with the iPod to maintain the playback state, and it was never implemented in iPod manager for any iPod shuffle model.

I don't have an iPod shuffle in my possession, so, unfortunately, enhancing support for it isn't easy.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: nosmokingbandit on 2018-09-26 20:04:12
Makes sense. Thanks for the quick reply.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-10-16 14:08:19
I used the "Compilation" tag in two different albums: "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1 (soundtrack)" and "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (soundtrack)". Only the latter displays in my iPod, Music>Compilation menu option? What am I missing?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: 2tec on 2018-10-16 16:54:27
I used the "Compilation" tag in two different albums: "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1 (soundtrack)" and "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (soundtrack)".
Is it possible these are different file types and therefore the compilation tag info is being stored differently?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-10-16 16:59:36
I used the "Compilation" tag in two different albums: "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1 (soundtrack)" and "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (soundtrack)".
Is it possible these are different file types and therefore the compilation tag info is being stored differently?
I just checked. They are both MP3 with ID3v2.3 tags.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2018-10-22 20:54:59
See earlier reply here (https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,111397.0.html), but to add to that, the default value of the compilation mapping is:

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$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,%ipod_compilation%)
If you haven't changed that mapping, I would have a look at the values for ALBUM ARTIST and IPOD_COMPILATION for those two albums.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-10-22 22:02:44
See earlier reply here (https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,111397.0.html), but to add to that, the default value of the compilation mapping is:

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$if($stricmp($meta(album artist),various artists),1,%ipod_compilation%)
If you haven't changed that mapping, I would have a look at the values for ALBUM ARTIST and IPOD_COMPILATION for those two albums.
Thanks so much! [I must be getting old...] U saw in a previous post [?] that I used the above mapping! [and forgot about it...]
1. The first album, that does not appear as a compilation in the iPod, does indeed have Album_Artist == "Various" and NOT "Various artists".
2. I think for my purposes it might be better if I set the Compilation tag by hand?
3. There are so many factors that "determine" if an album is a "Compilation"?
What do you think?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-10-23 00:12:56
I deleted the above mapping. Now I am back to the steps to reflect this on my iPod. I looked back to post 4075 - around there. It's easy to find "Load library". But, for me, I can never figure out how to access this playlist and right-click on everything and choose "Rewrite Database". I used "Facets" exclusively. Can someone explain this in a way that is useful to me? I NEVER see anything like "iPod View" or anything like that on my screen. And, is it"Rewrite Database" that I want and not "Update Metadata"?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2018-10-23 08:19:21
add "Playlist tabs" and "playlist view" in to your layout.

File > Ipod > load library. you should see a new playlist showing all the music on your iPod.

From there you should be able to select all or individual tracks and rewrite database.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-10-23 17:27:39
add "Playlist tabs" and "playlist view" in to your layout.

File > Ipod > load library. you should see a new playlist showing all the music on your iPod.

From there you should be able to select all or individual tracks and rewrite database.
Here is what I did:
In my setup, at top left, below the File menu, is a drop-down list with just two items: Library and Playlist. It usually set to Library.
1. I changed this to playlist Everything looks the same. This is probably because I don't have any playlist other than the one that contains my entire library [default?].
2. From the File menu, I chose "New Playlist" or Ctrl-N. This seems to clear everything.
3. Now, File Menu, iPod, "Load Library". populates the playlist.
4. Now, File Menu, iPod, "Rewrite Database".
5. Eject
6. Go to the device, iPod, Music>Compilations and unfortunately, there is now nothing.
If U look back over my posts, U can see that I had one album appearing there before this action. Both of these albums in my library [media library on my hard drive] have the Compilation tag set to 1.  I deleted the mapping in iPod Manager, that was trying to set this tag. This is why I thought I need to do the "Load library" and "Rewrite Database"? Is there something else I need to do?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2018-10-23 18:17:35
Sorry i messed up the previous steps

add "Playlist tabs" and "playlist view" in to your layout.

File > Ipod > load library. you should see a new playlist showing all the music on your iPod.

Make any changes to the metadata on the files in the iPod view playlist.

Select those changed files or all files and right click >  ipod > update metadata. This will update the database on the ipod as well.

You shouldn't actually need to use the rewrite database.


Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-10-23 18:36:57
Sorry i messed up the previous steps

add "Playlist tabs" and "playlist view" in to your layout.

File > Ipod > load library. you should see a new playlist showing all the music on your iPod.

Make any changes to the metadata on the files in the iPod view playlist.

Select those changed files or all files and right click >  ipod > update metadata. This will update the database on the ipod as well.

You shouldn't actually need to use the rewrite database.
[I tried to do what you wrote above, but]
1. I could not figure out [in my setup] how to "add "Playlist tabs" and "playlist view" in to your layout."
2. This is why I listed all the steps I did.
3. How is this different? What I did compared to what you suggested?
4. Now, when I click on "Synchronize", usually I only have "Media Library" checked. But, after doing "New Playlist" multiple times, there are 9 additional different entries: "Playlist", "Playlist (2)", ... , "Playlist (3)". How do I remove all these entries?
Does this help you in helping me? Because, obviously, there is something I don't understand here, but I am trying... Remember, I don't use playlists and have relied on Facets all this time with Foobar. Anything I did in the past with a playlist was fumbling around and if it worked, it was probably from luck. Unfortunately, it seems as if I need to learn this in order to do these "Load library", "Update metadata", "Rewrite Database", etc. commands to work.
EDIT: Well, I found View>Playlist Manager allows the removal of all those "Playlist" entries in the iPod Synchronize dialog. Also, something in what I did resulted on their being no Compilations in device iPod>Music>Compilations whereas before there was one entry.
EDIT2: [As a test...] I added a non-functioned tag, "Debug", to both of those albums and a value, "Y". After "touching" these MP3s, the "Synchronize" will work, deleting what is on the iPod and replacing them with the updated MP3s. Unfortunately, even though these have the Compilation tag set to 1, on the device iPod, Music>Compilation is still empty.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2018-10-23 20:00:23
If you have removed the compilation mapping (left it empty), then the component will look at whether the IPOD_COMPILATION field exists for those tracks. So you would need to set IPOD_COMPILATION to 1 or similar for those tracks, and then resync.

As for not being able to see the iPod contents after running Load library, if you post a screenshot of what you can see that might make things a bit clearer.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-10-23 20:22:25
If you have removed the compilation mapping (left it empty), then the component will look at whether the IPOD_COMPILATION field exists for those tracks. So you would need to set IPOD_COMPILATION to 1 or similar for those tracks, and then resync.

As for not being able to see the iPod contents after running Load library, if you post a screenshot of what you can see that might make things a bit clearer.
First things first. I do have the COMPILATION tag set to 1 on all of those MP3s in my media library on my hard drive. Are you saying that the iPod does not look at this, but IPOD_COMPILATION instead? I definitely do NOT have this on any of those tracks.
EDIT: Yep. I added IPOD_COMPILATION tag to both of those albums setting it to 1 on each MP3. They now appear in the iPod under Music>Compilations. If I knew this, I could have saved myself a lot of trouble. So, going forward, I can always add this tag to any album I consider to be a compilation. As far as making changes to mappings and then trying to migrate those changes to the iPod, Whatever I did worked. When I deleted the mapping you quoted, it was reflected on the iPod. I listed everything I did in post 7102. Maybe the "New playlist" command is not needed. Maybe I just need some tweaking? I'll need to tweak some mapping to see if I can repeat what worked before.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2018-10-23 20:39:44
The iPod does not look at any tags in the files (other than lyrics) – it looks in its database which this component maintains.

No, the component does not read from a field named COMPILATION in the component's default configuration. If you want to use that field, you need to set the compilation mapping to [%compilation%] .
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-10-23 20:48:05
The iPod does not look at any tags in the files (other than lyrics) – it looks in its database which this component maintains.

No, the component does not read from a field named COMPILATION in the component's default configuration. If you want to use that field, you need to set the compilation mapping to [%compilation%] .
So, if I change Compilation == %compilation% in the Database tab in iPod Manager and an MP3 has the compilation tag, it will be mapped? I just need to reflect this change in the iPod database? That's what I was trying to do, but need to do more cleanly.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2018-10-23 20:55:35
Yes, you need to run File/iPod/Load library which should cause the iPod contents to appear in the playlist view. Then, select the relevant (or all) tracks in the playlist, right-click on them and select iPod/Update metadata.

If you can't see the iPod contents after running Load library, post a screenshot or a video of what happens.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-10-23 21:03:18
Yes, you need to run File/iPod/Load library which should cause the iPod contents to appear in the playlist view. Then, select the relevant (or all) tracks in the playlist, right-click on them and select iPod/Update metadata.

If you can't see the iPod contents after running Load library, post a screenshot or a video of what happens.
One more point of confusion for me.  I referenced this, https://wiki.yuo.be/dop:config:database. When do you need to both "Update Metadata on iPod" and "Rewrite Database"? Or, is it one or the other?
EDIT": I just mapped the database COMPILATION to %compilation% (w/o the brackets []) as you mentioned above. After doing "Load library", I did both a "Update metadata" and "Rewrite database". Now, Music>Compilations on the iPod is empty again. So, something worked, but not as I expected?
EDIT2: I just removed the mapping. Now, Music>Compilations has the two albums that I tagged with IPOD_COMPILATION as before. What's wrong with the mapping? It seems as if I am getting the database update working?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2018-10-24 08:34:30
You don't need to do both, just Update metadata should be enough.

I had another look at the code. It sets the compilation flag only if the mapping outputs a non-zero integer. The square brackets stop a question mark being output if the field does not exist, but that shouldn't make a difference

So, your experience would suggest that %compilation% did not output 1 for any of the tracks you ran Update metadata on. As an experiment, you could set the mapping to just 1 and see if everything moves to the compilation menu.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2018-10-25 00:03:54
You don't need to do both, just Update metadata should be enough.

I had another look at the code. It sets the compilation flag only if the mapping outputs a non-zero integer. The square brackets stop a question mark being output if the field does not exist, but that shouldn't make a difference

So, your experience would suggest that %compilation% did not output 1 for any of the tracks you ran Update metadata on. As an experiment, you could set the mapping to just 1 and see if everything moves to the compilation menu.
1. Only the 2 albums I have mentioned where I added IPOD_COMPILATION == 1 are in Music>Compilations
2. "sets the compilation flag only if the mapping outputs a non-zero integer" If this is true, why would this mapping of %compilation% effectively remove the above 2 albums? IOW, why would it change anything?
3. I am just trying to wrap my head around this. If I set the mapping to 1, how do [can] I undo this?? If I change it back to NULL or 0, what will happen? Will the IPOD_COMPILATION == 1 take effect again?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2018-12-16 20:48:16
0.7.1 beta has been released: http://yuo.be/ipod_manager

This will hopefully fix problems using some iPod shuffle 4G devices with the component and also adds support for the equivalent of on-the-go playlists on the iPod nano 7G.

At the moment it's marked as a beta version, but I'll remove that tag if no problems are reported.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: kaosnews on 2019-02-20 12:11:19
Maybe this is a stupid question - but is it possible to add a playlist but without the album (where that track is from) being visible when you go to Music > Albums? So I want to have these separate. Maybe not very clear - but I have 'Album A', 'Album B' and 'Album C' in Albums, now I have a playlist with 1 song from 'Album D' and 1 song from 'Album E' - so I don't want 'Album D' and 'Album E' (with only 1 song) visible there.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: kugel on 2019-03-03 11:59:42
First of all, thank you musicmusic for the great plugin. I am also really happy that you have started to work on your code once again :)

I have the problem, that the ratings that I give on the iPod are not transferred back to foobar. It worked for a while. Then, I started to use the SQLite plugin to be able to generate a playlist that only contains albums that are not completely rated or have an average rating greater 3. I then noticed that the tracks on the iPod did not reduce even as I rated some albums completely with the consequence that should not be on the iPod anymore. I do not know whether SQLite caused the problem.

End of the story is, that I tried with a normal playlist and have removed SQLite - the ratings are still not transferred back and are lost each time I synchronise. Should I completely restore the iPod? Do you have any other idea what I could try?

I have just updated to fb2k 1.4.2 and foo_dop 0.7.1 to test whether the problem is solved to no avail. Before I was running fb2k 1.4.0 and foo_dop 0.7.0. I am using Windows 10 64-bit.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2019-03-04 07:17:38
Do you mean that you switched from https://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_playcount to https://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_playcount_sql?

I'm only aware of the former having support for receiving play counts and ratings from iPod manager.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: kugel on 2019-03-06 16:10:12
No I have used https://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_sqlite. However, the problem persists also after removal of the plug-in.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: kugel on 2019-03-16 10:19:51
I have found the issue. The sync of playback statistic data does not work if the music was synchronised only with the "main" playlist which has 23000 items. When I additionally put an album in its own playlist and sync with this playlist as well the data is synchronised. This works as I workaround for me, just have to find a way to chop the sync playlist into smaller ones.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: kugel on 2019-03-16 10:23:05
Maybe this is a stupid question - but is it possible to add a playlist but without the album (where that track is from) being visible when you go to Music > Albums? So I want to have these separate. Maybe not very clear - but I have 'Album A', 'Album B' and 'Album C' in Albums, now I have a playlist with 1 song from 'Album D' and 1 song from 'Album E' - so I don't want 'Album D' and 'Album E' (with only 1 song) visible there.

I don't think this is possible.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: kugel on 2019-03-16 11:51:55
I have found the issue. The sync of playback statistic data does not work if the music was synchronised only with the "main" playlist which has 23000 items. When I additionally put an album in its own playlist and sync with this playlist as well the data is synchronised. This works as I workaround for me, just have to find a way to chop the sync playlist into smaller ones.

Forget the above - I checked the difference between some files and it seems I need to re-sync the whole iPod. If I make a change to a file and it gets re-synced the rating sync works afterwards. Interestingly, when I update a single track in an album it appears at the end of the album view on the iPod, even though it might be the first track.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2019-03-19 20:31:41
The component only tracks files in your local media library passively. In other words, it may lose track of what the local file on your computer corresponding to a file on the iPod is if the local file moves.

From a quick look, the logic looks more primitive than I remember. I thought it made an effort to track files even if they moved by using the modification date, file size and metadata, but as far as I can see that logic is limited to working out which files to sync. That will probably compound the problem as if the file is moved it may realise it doesn't need to be resynced, but then lose the link to the original file for playback statistics purposes.

Having said all of that, according to http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Foobar2000:Components/Playback_Statistics_v3.x_(foo_playcount) (http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Foobar2000:Components/Playback_Statistics_v3.x_(foo_playcount)) Playback Statistics uses metadata to track statistics, and metadata will always be available from the track on the iPod. If it is indeed using that, it would only fail if the fields mentioned had been edited locally.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: Erecshyrinol on 2019-04-01 17:59:13
Hi,
Got a bit of an album art mystery going on that I can't just figure out. I recall being able to change embedded album covers with no problems in the past, but now it seems impossible to do, with files on the iPod sticking to that cover they were first embedded with after adding to the iPod (last gen. 160GB Classic) At the moment I'm using foo_dop version 0.6.9.6 with Foobar2000 v1.3.9.

I don't know if this is relevant to the issue I'm having or not, but in the past I  used to have embedded 300x300 resolution album art in my music files, so those got added to the iPod along with the files without any additional work. I then switched to in-folder 1000x1000 covers titled "folder.jpg". Now these bigger non-embedded covers don't get added automatically anymore (and would have been way too big anyway), so I needed to start manually adding properly sized 300x300 artwork to the files after transferring to the iPod (tagging/attach pictures/front cover + ipod/update artwork). Everything worked just as it should.

However, recently I noticed it to be impossible to change from the album cover that was embedded first - the changes to the artwork will show up as expected in Foobar2000, but on the iPod it's the first embedded artwork that would get displayed, no matter what.
Example 1:
-Add album to iPod > embed album cover 1 > it shows up OK in Foobar2000 and on iPod
-change cover: remove artwork>update artwork>add album cover 2
-Foobar2000 shows album having album cover 2, but on iPod it still shows cover 1.
Example 2, the even more puzzling one:
-Have album on iPod with cover 1 embedded
-remove album from iPod > file/ipod/load library > confirm deletion
-eject iPod from PC >reconfirm deletion on iPod itself (even do a soft reset at this stage - hold menu+center button)
-connect to PC > re-add album > don't embed any cover > eject
-iPod shows album as having cover 1.

Edit: I don't recall fiddling with foo_dop's settings (not that there's much to mess up with anyway artwork-wise), though now I did go through them and noticed I had "add artwork to files sent to iPod" enabled, with "source" set to "folder", but even with that, none of my current 1000x1000 folder.jpg artwork has been added to the files I add to my iPod. I did try disabling "add artwork to files sent to iPod", but that only appeared to do exactly that, preventing embedded art from being sent to the iPod even when I specifically manually added them. Felt kind of odd...

As mentioned above, my iPod's a last gen. 160GB Classic running the latest available version 2.0.4 firmware. Hardware-wise there shouldn't also be anything wrong, the HDD showing healthy diagnostics readings of 2 retracts, 0 reallocs and 0 pending sectors.

Any idea what could be causing this and how could I get sorted out?
(please, if just possible, at first something other than a full factory resetting of iPod - I really would appreciate not having to go through the gruelling ordeal of manually re-adding album covers to 22707 songs worth of albums...)

Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2019-04-01 21:05:40
The first thing to understand is that iPod uses its own database of artwork and doesn't read embedded artwork directly from media files. The artwork in its database is resized to multiple resolutions appropriate to the screen size and various part of the device's UI where artwork is displayed. This component is what populates that database.

So, when a file is sent to the device, the component adds artwork to that database according to the settings in the components configuration. That can include the foobar2000 album art settings if the 'Additionally use foobar2000 built-in artwork reader' setting is enabled.

If the wrong cover is being displayed after sending a file to the iPod afresh, then that wrong cover must exist somewhere on your PC.

You can update the artwork of files already on the iPod by running File/iPod/Load library, right-clicking on the relevant tracks and selecting iPod/Update artwork. However, that will only work if the files on your PC have not moved. (If they have, I believe the command will just try to re-read embedded artwork from the track on the device.)
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: Erecshyrinol on 2019-04-01 22:45:02
Oh, so that's it! Makes perfect sense. Thank you! 8)

I must have gotten a completely wrong idea of how foo_dop works with album covers from the days I used embedded art - the covers were there in the files to begin with and showed up on both Foobar and the iPod, so I assumed that was the way it rolled. And of course, whenever using my iPod I noticed an album cover that needed replacing, I updated the embedded art on the files on my PC at the same, and vice versa, so my wrong perception was always maintained! Silly me... ::) 

So... the embedded covers in all the files on the iPod are completely superfluous and can be removed to free up quite a lot of space?
(A bit out of topic I admit, but what's your take on this: instead of going through the process of removing the embedded artwork from the files on the iPod, should I just go ahead and do a full factory reset and readd my music? Just wondering if such removal of embedded covers would introduce quite a bit of fragmentation to files added after that process, with the embedded art now being gone.)

Just gave it a try by swapping the folder.jpg in-folder cover of an album to a different variant, then selecting iPod/update artwork, and bingo, it changed on the iPod! So everything seemsto be working perfectly fine. Thanks again!


P.s. So with foo_dop handling the transfer, resizing and iPod database operations for the artwork, I understand there is no way to change the artwork manually, and the process always works from what art there is on the album in Foobar's media library?
Also, Foobar doesn't seem to display the artwork as on the iPod itself in its album art panel, instead only showing embedde or in-folder art. I presume this is totally normal?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2019-04-02 20:14:49
So... the embedded covers in all the files on the iPod are completely superfluous and can be removed to free up quite a lot of space?
Yes (but if you modify the files on the iPod directly rather than the originals, and then use the Sync command, it may resync the files).

(A bit out of topic I admit, but what's your take on this: instead of going through the process of removing the embedded artwork from the files on the iPod, should I just go ahead and do a full factory reset and readd my music? Just wondering if such removal of embedded covers would introduce quite a bit of fragmentation to files added after that process, with the embedded art now being gone.)
iTunes and this component take certain measures to avoid specific cases of both FAT32 and fragmentation performance problems, so it is a valid concern in general. However, I'm not sure fragmented music files would cause huge problems in itself. Typically, you'll see problems if e.g. opening a file in a large directory takes a long time, or finding an artwork image in the database takes a long time. Nonetheless, if free space gets fragmented, it could cause other things to become fragmented over time. (That's my take from the top of my head and not being able to remember the last time I defragmented a hard drive...)

P.s. So with foo_dop handling the transfer, resizing and iPod database operations for the artwork, I understand there is no way to change the artwork manually, and the process always works from what art there is on the album in Foobar's media library?
Yes, that's roughly right.

Also, Foobar doesn't seem to display the artwork as on the iPod itself in its album art panel, instead only showing embedde or in-folder art. I presume this is totally normal?
That's correct, it doesn't know anything about the images in the iPod's database and the component doesn't tell it anything about them either. I think there is a debugging tool hidden in the source code for viewing the images, but it was pretty basic and I don't think it was included in any public release.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: Erecshyrinol on 2019-04-05 21:20:31
Alright, thanks! :)

That potential fragmentation of free space that you mentioned was what I had in mind: have music with embedded artwork - used space is nice and non-fragmented -> remove said embedded artwork -> lots of small pockets of free space, over which newly transferred files would be spread out.

I ended up deciding on a clean factory reset and readding my music to get it all nice and neatly in there. It wasn't that big of a chore after all, and as a bonus I got to go over my music library and leave out stuff I knew I wouldn't be listening to that much on the iPod, so I ended up with more free space than just removing the unnecesary artwork would have release. Win-win.  8)
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: bsimpson on 2019-06-27 22:54:01
Hey Guys,  New to Foobar-ipod manager,  Trying to get it set up to load a ipod and getting the "Failed to load DLL: foo_dop.dll
Reason: This component is missing a required dependency, or was made for different version of foobar2000."  Only fix i found was the "https://f.losno.co/vgmstream-win32-deps.zip""  back on a 2016 post and the "Visual C++ 2015" both which seem really old issues.               Tried doing some searches on here but couldn't find anything new or different.  any help would be much appreciated. 


Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: kode54 on 2019-06-29 02:46:44
vgmstream-win32-deps has no bearing on foo_dop, or any other component. In fact, my foobar2000 distribution of VGMStream does not require it, as it bundles its own dependencies.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2019-06-29 19:14:59
@bsimpson Which version did you install, how did you install it and what version of Windows are you using?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: EagleScout1998 on 2019-08-09 12:15:15
I have a question regarding how foo_dop determines gapless playback. Sometimes, depending on the number of files being copied, this process can take several minutes. However, there are other times when the process takes virtually no time at all. I’m wondering is this normal?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2019-08-09 21:14:42
Probably. Exactly what it does depends on the file format and the encoder used.

For MP4, it will look in the file header for gapless data.
For MP3, if foobar2000 has detected gapless info, it will end up reading most of the file. If foobar2000 did not detect gapless info, it will skip reading the file (unless you have the dummy info option enabled).
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2019-08-11 19:49:46
@musicmusic I am going to install Foobar with this plug-in on a new PC. When I do my first sync with my iPod, will the plug-in detect that nothing has changed [as far as the MP3s are concerned]? Or, will it replace everything on the iPod with everything in my music folder [which will probably take a long time]?  I am just curious.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2019-08-11 21:41:40
If the files weren't transcoded by the component, and they haven't been modified, I wouldn't expect it to want to recopy them.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: BPM on 2020-01-24 00:49:27
foo_dop doesn't appear to detect my iPod Touch anymore as of early December and I cannot figure out why.

foobar2000 console only shows this message relevant to foo_dop: "iPod manager: Listening for Apple mobile devices.". It does not show any new messages when I plug in my iPod Touch. I do see it show up on Windows Device Manager under "Portable Devices" and "Universal Serial Bus devices" subcategories, and it shows in Windows Explorer. Every option I try under File > iPod in foobar2000 just gives me the message "No iPod found".

Relevant program versions used:

I've tried uninstalling both AAS and AMDS and re-installing, upgrading from foobar2000 v1.4.1 to v1.5.1, and upgrading foo_dop from v0.6.9.7 to v0.7.1 but no difference was seen. The only thing I can think of is that some Windows 10 updates changed something. How can I debug this further and find out where the issue is?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2020-01-24 17:08:15
Strange. If you see the 'iPod manager: Listening for Apple mobile devices.' message, it suggests the Apple libraries are loading correctly.

Have a look in Device Manager and check what driver is installed for the iPod. Switching to the 'Devices by connection' view gives a bit of a better view of things – see the attached screenshot for what I'd roughly expect.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: BPM on 2020-01-24 22:48:58
Yes, it is using the Apple driver for the Apple USB composite device. This too makes me think that the drivers are fine, and that the problem may lie either within foobar or between the OS and foobar. How can I get more debug info out of this?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2020-01-24 23:04:32
I going to install Foobar and this plugin on a 64-bit Windows 10 Pro. [At the moment, I am still using a 32-bit version of Foobar on a 32-bit version of Windows]. I had to put this, "iPhoneCalc.dll" , in "C:\Program Files\foobar2000" in order for the plugin to access my iPod Classic 7th Gen. This worked on a 32-bit version of Foobar and this plugin. Will I have any trouble doing the same on a 64-bit?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: jazzthieve on 2020-01-25 06:54:48
Wait, you think there's a 64bit version of Foobar2000 or are you only talking about 64bit OS?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2020-01-25 10:35:25
Yes, it is using the Apple driver for the Apple USB composite device. This too makes me think that the drivers are fine, and that the problem may lie either within foobar or between the OS and foobar. How can I get more debug info out of this?
That driver is much newer than the one that comes with AMDS version 9.3.0.15. I'd:

- check in Windows Update history if it installed a new version of the driver
- remove that driver and try reverting to the driver that comes with AMDS version 9.3.0.15

I going to install Foobar and this plugin on a 64-bit Windows 10 Pro. [At the moment, I am still using a 32-bit version of Foobar on a 32-bit version of Windows]. I had to put this, "iPhoneCalc.dll" , in "C:\Program Files\foobar2000" in order for the plugin to access my iPod Classic 7th Gen. This worked on a 32-bit version of Foobar and this plugin. Will I have any trouble doing the same on a 64-bit?
No, there should be no change with 64-bit Windows. Also, iPhoneCalc.dll is bundled with the component now, so you shouldn't need to manually install it.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: BPM on 2020-01-28 04:56:41
Yes, it is using the Apple driver for the Apple USB composite device. This too makes me think that the drivers are fine, and that the problem may lie either within foobar or between the OS and foobar. How can I get more debug info out of this?
That driver is much newer than the one that comes with AMDS version 9.3.0.15. I'd:

- check in Windows Update history if it installed a new version of the driver
- remove that driver and try reverting to the driver that comes with AMDS version 9.3.0.15

I uninstalled and deleted the existing drivers, then plugged in my iPod again and now it is using Apple drivers v6.0.9999.67 without me having to install any drivers manually.

foo_dop now detects my iPod and I can read the device properties and view the filesystem. However, if I try to do anything else I get an error saying "Unsupported file format".
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2020-01-28 20:40:20
Could you post a screenshot of the error and console output too?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: BPM on 2020-01-29 14:20:20
Console output and the error message.

What's strange is after a brief search I did not find this string anywhere within the codebase for ipod_manager, is this error actually generated by something else?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2020-01-29 18:17:56
It's most probably coming from an exception_io_unsupported_format exception (the exception text itself is in the foobar2000 SDK).

My best guess for the cause would be here (one of the changes in 0.7.1): https://github.com/reupen/ipod_manager/pull/7/files#diff-09fcadce66101f13b26c2d17981cd277R17

The implication would be that there is file named Playlist_<something>.plist in /iTunes_Control/iTunes/ on the device, and that plist file doesn't contain any useful data.

I'm not sure exactly why that would be – one possibility is that a playlist was deleted on the device.

Are you able to see any files named like that? If so, I should be able to investigate further with a copy of any such files and your iTunesCDB (or iTunesDB) file.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: BPM on 2020-01-29 23:33:26
I took a look at the playlist plist files but from what I can tell they do contain valid xml and none appear to be "empty". Interestingly, I only see 12 Playlist_*.plist files in the filesystem but I know that I have more that are viewable on my iPod.

Sent PM with copy of iTunesCDB file. iTunesDB file is zero bytes.

If I just delete all of the playlists on my iPod and then sync it again, would that be likely to get past this error?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2020-01-30 08:28:24
Good that they aren't empty – nonetheless, iPod manager is probably having a problem understanding one of them (which is a bug, of course).

These files are generally only created when you modify a playlist on the device. What's meant to happen is that iTunes will read them and merge the changes into iTunesCDB. I'd expect deleting a playlist on the device to create (or update) one of these files, so I don't expect that to help.

(Downgrading to an older version of iPod manager should work around it though. Nonetheless, this should be easy to fix in some form.)
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: BPM on 2020-01-30 14:22:21
Do you have a page of previous releases? I cannot seem to find a download link for older versions of foo_dop. The releases page on your repo doesn't include compiled binaries.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: TheEmpathicEar on 2020-05-09 14:53:37
I have been using this for years. It's great. Thank you. But, I wanted to try synchronizing my music to my new phone: Samsung Galaxy A51. It has 128GB of storage. Can you recommend a strategy to do this? Software on my PC? App on my phone? etc.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: Erecshyrinol on 2020-07-03 02:42:19
Quick (and potentially silly) question: does the music library database on the iPod include contents of the 'Comment' tags? i.e. should I remove said tags from files on the iPod to avoid clogging up the library database with unnecessary stuff?

Judging from the 'comment' tag information not seeming to be used anywhere by the iPod itself, I would assume no, but I thought I'd ask and confirm this anyway.

Thanks
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2020-07-03 18:14:30
It does include comments (though on older iPod models it will only be the first ~500 characters). One reason is that you should be able to create smart playlists based on values of that field. Another possible reason is that iTunesDB is used by iTunes when viewing the iPod's content.

However, you can define a remapping for the field in iPod manager preferences, so you shouldn't need to retag your files to stop it being written to the iPod's database.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: Erecshyrinol on 2020-07-16 00:16:42
It does include comments (though on older iPod models it will only be the first ~500 characters). One reason is that you should be able to create smart playlists based on values of that field. Another possible reason is that iTunesDB is used by iTunes when viewing the iPod's content.

However, you can define a remapping for the field in iPod manager preferences, so you shouldn't need to retag your files to stop it being written to the iPod's database.
Thanks!
The thing I wondered specifically about the iPod's firmware caring for the Comment field (should have remembered to mention this first time around...) is if it's used while the iPod itself is in use, and not just when connected to a computer and managed? That is, if t counts in the data limitations that make up the stock firmwares' + hardware's maximum supported track amounts? I mean that one for instance how a 5.5 gen (64MB logic board version) has a track count limit of approximately 50k tracks, which, if I'm not mistaken, is how many tracks the stock firmware can handle at once, and is directly tied to the amount of RAM present on the device and the size of the library database.

Btw, there seems to be conflicting information floating around regarding this. As you must be quite an expert on their workings, can you confirm whether this limit is on how many tracks a given iPod can (reliably) hold in general, or just on how many tracks it can queue up when shuffling?

Field remapping uses Foobar's title formatting code, I'd presume?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2020-07-16 21:38:48
The thing I wondered specifically about the iPod's firmware caring for the Comment field (should have remembered to mention this first time around...) is if it's used while the iPod itself is in use, and not just when connected to a computer and managed?
If a smart playlist uses the comment field, and it has live updating turned on, and the iPod model supports live updating (for rules based on things like last played), then I assume the iPod itself would be looking at the field. That should be relatively easy to test.

That is, if t counts in the data limitations that make up the stock firmwares' + hardware's maximum supported track amounts? I mean that one for instance how a 5.5 gen (64MB logic board version) has a track count limit of approximately 50k tracks, which, if I'm not mistaken, is how many tracks the stock firmware can handle at once, and is directly tied to the amount of RAM present on the device and the size of the library database.
I don't think it's an unlikely scenario that the field is being held in memory on a 5.5G and similar models, especially if the field works with live updating. But you'd need to e.g. decompile the firmware, dump the iPod's memory or do some other manual testing to be sure.

Btw, there seems to be conflicting information floating around regarding this. As you must be quite an expert on their workings, can you confirm whether this limit is on how many tracks a given iPod can (reliably) hold in general, or just on how many tracks it can queue up when shuffling?
I don't have any specific knowledge on such a limit, unfortunately. But if RAM is the limiting factor, then I'd expect the limit to be a function of both the number of songs and the total size of the variable-length metadata fields. So the limit may well be directly proportional to the file size of iTunesDB.

Field remapping uses Foobar's title formatting code, I'd presume?
Yes, it does. You might be able to put something like $null() in it to stop it being populated at all.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: Erecshyrinol on 2020-08-14 22:59:02
Thanks! And sorry for the late reply, I sort of kinda almost forgot I had a question posted in the thread.  :P

Hope you don't mind being bothered with a couple of more things.
Since last time posting here, I've come across a couple of odd occurrances with foo_dop.


First off, when managing by iPod(s) I by chance happened to notice some tracks were missing. And not just not being in the expected sort order position after an action modifying the iPod database (I've noticed that can sometimes happen, as mentioned in the FAQ), but not being there at all, confirmed by looking at the "Manage contents" listing. When transfering the music, I had done that in many smaller chunks of around 2K tracks at a time (these were the initial big transferings following a factory reset done in iTunes), reasoning any potential errors or other issues would be less of a hassle to locate and fix as opposed to if I had dropped everything in one go. But there had been no error messages at any point, so expected each transfer had gone fine and didn't check after each chunk of files transfered. Should there have been messages when those 'skipped' files happened?
 
I know foo_dop at least shows a message when duplicate files already found on the iPod have not been transfered. To my knowledge, it shouldn't have been issues with the files themselves, as adding them after noticing their absence worked perfectly fine. Also, when doing these transfers of rather large bunches of files, I let my PC do that undisturbed, not doing other stuff at the same time.
Oh well, now I know to always check and confirm that all the transfered files have made it onto the iPod. Checking through the contents of two iPods for missing tracks, totaling around 52K tracks combines, took a little while...  :P :D Thank goodness for the "by artist" grouping option! That made checking the iPods' contents a lot smoother and faster. 


Now the the second thing oddity was perhaps even weirder. Earlier this week I noticed the odd iPod track here and there showing up in Foobar at the wrong positions in the 'iPod view' listing, with wrong track information to boot, that switched to showing the correct data when playing said track. Re-toggling the sorting made the affected track then show up in the expected correct spot, until you loaded the iPod library again.
Example: one time loading the iPod library, I had Satyricon's album Now Diabolical show two track #8s, "To The Mountains", the other being the real thing and the other turning out to be Primordial's "To The Edge Of The Earth" when playing them.
This phenomenon seemed to be happening purely on the Foobar/foo_dop side of things - the "Manage contents" listing showed these tracks shown in wrong position with initially incorrect information to be there on the iPod, with correct information, and they also appeared correctly on the iPod itself. It would seem that the "Rewrite database" command fixed the issue, however.

Any idea what could have caused this kind of behavior? I had never had this kind of thing happen before, the only difference I can think of is that I currently have two iPods that I've managed, as opposed to just one. Could that have had something to do with it?

I'm currently running v1.3.9 of Foobar2000 and 0.6.9.6 of foo_dop. Both somewhat outdated, admittedly. These issues might be something already fixed in newer version(s)?


Thanks again!  8)
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2020-08-15 18:29:22
Yes, if an error was encountered, or the file type isn't supported by the iPod etc., it will normally be reported at the end of the process.

One thing to be aware of is that if iTunes is running at the same time as foobar2000, iTunes can (later) overwrite the iTunesDB file on the iPod with what it had in memory which would cause whatever changes iPod manager made to the iPod to be lost.

You could try the 'Recover orphaned tracks' command; it looks for songs stored on the iPod but not in its database (and re-adds any it finds to the database).

On the confused tracks problem, that does sound odd but could happen if the file located at a particular file path has changed. Essentially, initially you're seeing the metadata of the file that was previously stored there, and playing the track causes the metadata to be re-read.

If it's getting confused between the two iPods, it would suggest that they're both being mounted at the same drive letter (not at the same time, of course), and those songs have the same path on both devices. Are either of those true?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: 2tec on 2020-09-03 16:49:24
I'm getting a security warning (Trojan) from Malwarebytes when I try to visit yuo.be/ipod_manager
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: kode54 on 2020-09-04 01:58:56
Thanks, false positive again.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2020-09-04 19:50:34
These reports come in occasionally but they've always been false positives.

If it's still happening, you can report it here: https://forums.malwarebytes.com/forum/123-website-blocking/
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: 2tec on 2020-09-05 01:06:47
If it's still happening, you can report it here: https://forums.malwarebytes.com/forum/123-website-blocking/

https://forums.malwarebytes.com/topic/263547-foobar2000-ipod-manager-page/
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: bobbsterman on 2020-09-14 00:47:01
Hi there!
Sorry if this is a dumb question (I think  it was answered somewhere but I can't find the solution anymore), but what do I need to do if the iPod manager can't find any metadata for some tracks? The tracks just appear with their filename, four letters in caps, and nothing else. Makes it really hard to find the song I want!

I have an iPod Nano 7th gen, using v0.7.2 of the manager and v1.6 of foobar. I should also note, I'm not using the manager to sync the iPod, only to view and play tracks from the iPod.

Thanks in advance, and thanks for this great plugin!
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2020-09-14 19:21:32
That sounds like those files don't contain any embedded metadata (or foobar2000 doesn't understand the metadata).

How did you tag those files initially?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: bobbsterman on 2020-09-14 22:25:04
I didn't tag them, iTunes did (I still use iTunes to sync and manage my iPod on my desktop. I use foobar and iPod manager to access and listen to music from my iPod on my laptop). So I'm pretty sure they have metadata.

There is no obvious pattern to which songs are affected by this, though all songs in an album are affected, and it's always the same albums.

Even stranger, I just realized that the Quicksearch foobar plugin (https://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_quicksearch) is able to find and read the metadata from the songs - but when you try to play them you get errors:

these first two are successful, and found through the playlist generated by iPod manager
Opening track for playback: "D:\iPod_Control\Music\F08\YBVP.m4a"
Opening track for playback: "D:\iPod_Control\Music\F40\MFDW.m4a"
these next two are unsuccessful, and found through the playlist generated by Quick search
Opening track for playback: "http://192.xxx.xxx/content/d6c958a439a21a634ff4f10ccdd1f249.wav?profile_id=1&convert=wav"
Unable to open item for playback (Network error):
"http://192.xxx.xxx/content/d6c958a439a21a634ff4f10ccdd1f249.wav?profile_id=1&convert=wav"
Opening track for playback: "http://192.168.1.74:56923/content/ec7569930a2c18dbef9e605f0a9a7510.wav?profile_id=1&convert=wav"
Unable to open item for playback (Network error):
"http://192.xxx.xxx/content/ec7569930a2c18dbef9e605f0a9a7510.wav?profile_id=1&convert=wav"
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2020-09-15 19:28:43
I'm not sure what those URLs are (a search suggests foo_upnp) but they're not directly related to the iPod or the component.

The same basic conclusion holds, if you can play the songs but foobar2000 isn't showing any metadata for them (other than the file name) then it's not finding any metadata in the files.

You could try opening Properties for one of the files (in foobar2000), and then clicking on Tools and Reload info. If it succeeds and there's still no metadata displayed, it would confirm the above.

You could also check if the same holds true for the original files on your computer. If those files are OK, it would suggest they are somehow different from the ones on your iPod.

If foobar2000 isn't showing any metadata for the original files, you could check in another program such as Mp3tag to see if it can read any metadata from them.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: bobbsterman on 2020-09-15 21:04:29
Yup, yup, you're completely right, I was being dumb!
Checked in foobar and windows explorer, those files are simply missing metadata. I'll just have to go update the metadata on my desktop later. (And you guessed right: the Quick Search was finding songs in an old UPnP Search playlist that I hadn't flushed!)
Thanks so much, and sorry for the bother!
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: luxferre on 2020-10-25 22:15:15
is it possible to control voice-over language with tag per track?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2020-10-26 17:47:13
Unfortunately not, I believe it will just use the system default voice.

You could try temporarily changing the system voice in Windows Settings or Control Panel and then sending the tracks that are in a different language (removing them first if needed), and then changing the voice back.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: malukopower on 2021-01-11 20:44:40
hey there. i just got an ipod classic 7th gen, and i'm trying to put my music via foobar on my ipod. the problem is, i'm on mac so i'm using foobar via wine (through PlayOnMac to be more specific).

but my ipod isnt recognized by foo_dop, it says "iPod not found" when I try to load the library. I tried loading my ipod on my friends foobar running on a Windows laptop, and it worked fine (he doesnt even have itunes nor apple mobile device support installed).

does anybody knows how to transfer music to ipod using foobar (on wine)? thank you!
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: kode54 on 2021-01-12 02:38:37
foo_dop does not work in Wine. It requires iTunes libraries on Windows, and even then, it requires hardware access. I don't think that will work with Wine any time soon.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: malukopower on 2021-01-12 16:19:18
foo_dop does not work in Wine. It requires iTunes libraries on Windows, and even then, it requires hardware access. I don't think that will work with Wine any time soon.

thats a bummer man... thank you for the answer! guess i'll just have to use windows then to update my library.

another issue i have concerning ipod manager, is about album sorting order.
i did change to sort artists by the album artists metadata instead, but also i wish i could sort the albums (right after selecting the artist) per release year, and not alphabetically. is there a way i can do that?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: Erecshyrinol on 2021-01-27 23:22:52
Sorry, been a while again... But at least now I got some new observations.

One thing to be aware of is that if iTunes is running at the same time as foobar2000, iTunes can (later) overwrite the iTunesDB file on the iPod with what it had in memory which would cause whatever changes iPod manager made to the iPod to be lost.
I feel this possibility can be passed over, since I'm using iTunes at all except in case I need to do factory restores. I've been keeping it installed though, so iTunesHelper.exe is running in the background - I'd presume that not being able to affect iPod usage with Foobar2000+foo_dop in any way?

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You could try the 'Recover orphaned tracks' command; it looks for songs stored on the iPod but not in its database (and re-adds any it finds to the database).
I haven't tried that, but I doubt it's an issue with files present on iPod but in its database, since the total track count has always been accurate when loading up an iPod's library in FOob

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On the confused tracks problem, that does sound odd but could happen if the file located at a particular file path has changed. Essentially, initially you're seeing the metadata of the file that was previously stored there, and playing the track causes the metadata to be re-read.
Do you mean for files on the computer or on the iPod?

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If it's getting confused between the two iPods, it would suggest that they're both being mounted at the same drive letter (not at the same time, of course), and those songs have the same path on both devices. Are either of those true?
The iPods indeed do get mounted at the same drive letter, but I don't feel the songs would have same file paths, at least past a certain point - on my 160GB 7th gen I have had to leave out stuff while on my flash modded 5.5 gen I can keep my entire library. Also, don't the file paths get more or less randomized when stuff is added on an iPod anyway?

The new observations
- Since last time, I've updated to Foobar2000 version v1.6.2 and foo_dop 0.7.2
- The file confusion issue has stayed the same: whenever I plug into my other iPod, it's very likely that file misplacing occurs on loading up the library. As mentioned above, I've never seen files going 'missing', the total track count has always been correct.
- Doing the "Rewrite database" makes the library load up correctly and in proper order. This doesn't need to be done every time, just when managing a different iPod than last time.

It indeed would seem like it's a computer/Foobar/foo_dop side issue - I came across a telling manifestation of the phenomenon just this week:
- I had done new audio rips of the DVDs of Metallica's Live Shit box set and updated the tags on the CD portion of it. To keep it simple, I thought I'd just delete all three albums and re-add them on my two iPods.
- 7th gen goes first. My 5.5 gen had been plugged in before, so I do the usual plug in > rewrite database thing. Deleted old versions of those 3 albums, re-added new copies. Everything goes OK, as expected.

- 5.5 gen was next. Interested in seeing if it does the misplaced file / wrong displayed tag thing again, I plugged in and loaded up library first, then scrolled down to the albums I'd be deleting and re-adding: and yep, file misplacement and wrong tags displayed, but with an album title tag that iPod did not have on it!
The previous rips of the box set that were still on the 5.5. gen had the album title in the format "Live Shit - [city] [year]" - on the updated/re-ripped ones I had changed it to the complete form "Live Shit: Binge & Purge". That newly updated album title could not have been read off the iPod. (see screenshot attached)
Rewrite database + load library combo then got the library read and shown correctly as expected, so no problems there in the end, when knowing what to expect.

What could be causing this behavior? I'm no programmer and have zero clue of iPods' or Foobar's inner workings, but this would seem like the "Load library" command doesn't result in the library to be loaded up quite 100% correctly, when it can shows a tag that's simply not present on the presently connected iPod, but found on the previously connected one after re-adding that album there.
Could the "Rewrite database" command force a more thorough loading of the library somehow, or what? And how could tag data from the previously connected iPod be left "floating around" and be erroneously 're-used' like this... Weird.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2021-01-31 18:01:41
Do you mean for files on the computer or on the iPod?
The iPod.

Also, don't the file paths get more or less randomized when stuff is added on an iPod anyway?
iTunes uses random file names, but iPod manager truncates file names.

Could the "Rewrite database" command force a more thorough loading of the library somehow, or what?
Yes, it does additional checks on whether the file size or last modified date of the files has changed from what is loaded in foobar2000.

And how could tag data from the previously connected iPod be left "floating around" and be erroneously 're-used' like this... Weird.
Most probably in the iPod view playlist open in foobar2000. From there, it could end up polluting the cache iPod manager keeps on the iPod.

Have you tried using Disk Management in Windows to assign one of the iPods a different letter?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: Erecshyrinol on 2021-02-04 18:18:30
And how could tag data from the previously connected iPod be left "floating around" and be erroneously 're-used' like this... Weird.
Most probably in the iPod view playlist open in foobar2000. From there, it could end up polluting the cache iPod manager keeps on the iPod.

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Have you tried using Disk Management in Windows to assign one of the iPods a different letter?
I presume like instructed here (https://www.online-tech-tips.com/computer-tips/how-to-change-the-drive-letter-in-windows-xp-for-an-external-usb-stick-or-hard-drive/), via Windows' Disk Management tools? I actually haven't yet. I'll give that a try and report back! Thanks.

Btw, do you feel if I should re-assign both my iPods a new drive letter, or would re-assigning just the other suffice? (Assumably letters on the other end the alphabet would be best? Less, if any, chance of other devices being assigned those)
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2021-02-12 20:51:35
Yes, reassigning both and leaving a gap from other drive letters might be better (though the important thing is that they don't clash). You can delete metadata_cache.fpl from the root of both drives at the same time to wipe the component's own metadata cache as that uses relative paths (or running 'Rewrite database' again afterwards should have a similar effect).
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: Erecshyrinol on 2021-03-05 12:53:46
Yes, reassigning both and leaving a gap from other drive letters might be better (though the important thing is that they don't clash). You can delete metadata_cache.fpl from the root of both drives at the same time to wipe the component's own metadata cache as that uses relative paths (or running 'Rewrite database' again afterwards should have a similar effect).
Thanks, I'll that a try!
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: samuelawachie on 2021-10-27 12:13:35
My iPod is showing this as the device properties for my iPod nano.
What does the "Raw Battery Data" mean and the numbers 1/ 3/ 100
I had to order for a new battery and LCD screen for the iPod because the battery seems to be faulty (it just flies to near-empty once the screen is on, but if the screen is off it doesn't seem to have any issues). This was after it was left inside a car on a hot and sunny day. And then the LCD screen became faulty when it was accidentally submerged in dish water.
I'm about to install the new battery and screen but just was wondering whether those numbers meant that the original battery is still okay.
The reason I posted on this thread is coz that particular battery data was got using the component.
Additionally, is there a way to get this component to aid my computer to recognize my iPod shuffle 2nd gen? The blue one.
It used to be recognized by Windows on my old Gateway PC, but that computer is long spoilt and my current laptop is not recognizing it. I've tried all the ports and bought a new cord for it, but still no luck. The dock still works okay for charging. The iPod still plays back music okay. Everything is perfect on it, but i'm stuck with songs from 2007-2012 which is a little sad.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2021-10-27 21:41:58
Hi,

Those numbers are what the component gets from the iPod after sending it a battery status request. They are extracted from two bytes of data sent by the iPod in response to that request. The communication protocol is not public, therefore all details have to be worked out (reverse engineered).

The numbers you have match the numbers I have for a nano 7G that is currently charging.

I have the first number down as 0 = not charged, 1 = charged (which seems to be wrong in the case of the nano 7G).

For the second number, I have:

3 = charging
2 = charged
1 = not charging

I don't know what the third number is, unfortunately, but 100 would seem to be normal.

I'm doubtful the numbers can tell you if your iPod's battery is faulty. I'd imagine their intended purpose is limited to things that iTunes can tell you.

If the shuffle 2G isn't recognised by the computer, the component won't be able to help I'm afraid. I'd check if it's still recognised by another computer if you haven't already. (If it is, maybe a USB hub would help at a guess.)
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: Erecshyrinol on 2021-11-22 13:34:34
Hi. I ran into a bit of error situation where I'm starting to feel like this might be case where a restore via iTunes is needed, but thought asking here first wouldn't hurt.

Issue: After managing content and ejecting properly, my iPod (5.5 gen, 64MB RAM, flash-modded) resumed to its main menu suspiciously quickly considering the amount of content on it (~35k songs) and previous experience of its previously taking a bit longer. And indeed, iPod shows up as having no songs on it but the storage space appropriately used. Now I've had this happen a handful of times before and in those cases just rebooting the iPod (press & hold Menu + center buttons) had sorted it out, but not this time, unfortunately.

Tried rebooting the iPod - no effect.
Plugging the iPod back to my computer works OK, gets picked up by Windows as normal. In Foobar, the 'Load library' command brings up an error message saying: Error reading iTunesDB: Invalid format; expected header marker "dbhm" got "".
I next tried 'Rewrite database', but it gives the same error. I figured it might be a case of corrupted database files and tried reverting to the backups of dopdb and iTunesDB in the iPod_Control\iTunes folder. No luck, same thing happens.

Anything else I could try, or should I just do a factory reset in iTunes and then re-add my music?
I googled for foo_dop + the error message but the only hit was a post on this very thread from back in 2013, with a slightly different error message reported (expected header marker "dbhm" got "ʴ3DI"), 'Rewrite database' suggested to be tried, but nothing else.

Any idea what I might have done wrong here, or would this be just one of those random freak occurrences that just happen sometimes?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2021-11-22 19:18:08
Hi,

That sounds odd, I haven't heard of that happening before.

iTunesDB.dop.backup is indeed the previous database file renamed, so odd that it would be corrupt as well.

I'd guess the corrupt files are full of zeroes based on the error. It may be worth looking at iTunesDB.dop.backup and iTunesDB in a hex editor (such as HxD (https://mh-nexus.de/en/hxd/)) if you're interested in investigating further. Non-corrupt iTunesDB files would start with the characters mhbd (dbhm reversed). (dopdb files would start with the bytes 6D A4 21 B6 A4 0F 37 4C A6 C2 6B 19 58 31 8D BB.)

Yes, restoring the iPod and starting again is one option. Another is the the 'File/iPod/Recover orphaned tracks' command in foobar2000 (but that would need that corrupt database file to be removed first).

Another thing I'd check is that the removal policy of the drive is set to 'Quick removal (default)' in Device Manager (see attached screenshot).

Also, just to mention in case you're still using iTunes as well, iTunes should be closed before using any commands in foobar2000 that write to the iPod, as they may conflict otherwise.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: Erecshyrinol on 2021-11-22 20:50:54
Hi,
Thanks for the quick reply!

I installed HxD to have a quick look at the database files (as far as I can go really, my knowledge of hex editing being non-existent... :P)
Of the iTunesDB the main one starts with an H and then nothing for the remainder of the expected 'mhbd' string. The backup however does seem to show those, but now trying that out, loading the library in Foobar brings up an error message of an unsupported or corrupt file. (I might have done something differently the first time around...)
For the dopdb files, the main one starts with the same set of bytes as you mentioned, but the backup appears to be way off. (screenshots attached)

Hmm, I guess doing a restore in iTunes and starting anew might be the easiest, though not the quickest, solution here.
But if I were to remove the corrupt database(s) and try the orphaned track recovery route, wouldn't I need to introduce the iPod to iTunes first after removing the datase files to add at least one track in order to have the library database set up again, as IIRC, foo_dop doesn't do that, only being able to work on already existing databases?

Checked to confirm - yes, I have "Quick removal (default)" set for the iPod's drive device in Windows' device manager.

While I do have iTunes installed, I've never had it open at the same time as Foobar & foo_dop, as I do my iPod managing exclusively with that. I have had the iTunesHelper.exe process running in the background though, but that should be OK though, correct?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2021-11-22 22:49:31
I installed HxD to have a quick look at the database files (as far as I can go really, my knowledge of hex editing being non-existent... :P)

From a quick look at those:

- iTunesDB – that looks like the start of the file is somehow missing
- iTunesDB.dop.backup – the start of the file in the screenshot looks normal from what I can see (but could be something wrong elsewhere if the new error message specifically said the problem was with iTunesDB)
- dopdb – same, the start of that looks fine
- dopdb.backup – now that does indeed look like something else completely (could be audio or image data if not complete gibberish...)

Note also, there is another database at \iPod_Control\Artwork\ArtworkDB.

Hmm, I guess doing a restore in iTunes and starting anew might be the easiest, though not the quickest, solution here.
Yes, I think so to be honest as I'd be worried about whether anything else is corrupt on there from those screenshots. (Although I think a restore reinstalls the iPod software as well, so it may not be zero risk.)

Was the flash mod recent or a while ago? I think in any case you'll want to keep an eye on whether anything else gets corrupted.

But if I were to remove the corrupt database(s) and try the orphaned track recovery route, wouldn't I need to introduce the iPod to iTunes first after removing the datase files to add at least one track in order to have the library database set up again, as IIRC, foo_dop doesn't do that, only being able to work on already existing databases?
No, it should be able to initialise a clean iPod as far as I remember.

I have had the iTunesHelper.exe process running in the background though, but that should be OK though, correct?
Yes, that shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: Erecshyrinol on 2021-11-22 23:20:24
Hmm, I guess doing a restore in iTunes and starting anew might be the easiest, though not the quickest, solution here.
Yes, I think so to be honest. I'd be a little worried about whether anything else is corrupt on there to be honest from those screenshots.

Was the flash mod recent or a while ago? I think in any case you'll want to keep an eye on whether anything else gets corrupted.
Alright, I'll go with that then to be sure!  8)

That flash mod I did back around June 2020, so not exactly recent nor super old (I feel); like, by comparison my 2n iPod, a stock config. 160GB 7th gen has been going without a hitch for over three years without needing restores.

Thanks again for the help!
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: Erecshyrinol on 2021-11-23 03:26:43
Now this is getting even weirder. Restoring via iTunes doesn't want to work for some reason.

On starting up iTunes, it sees the plugged-in iPod, sees something's off ( throws up error message: "iTunes cannot read the contents of the iPod [iPod name]") and prompts to restore to factory settings.
Restoring then seems to go OK initially (progress bar advances & finishes, device drops out, then reappears, with Windows' auto-start prompt popping up & stuff), but on showing up again in Explorer and iTunes, the iPod hasn't been wiped, and iTunes again shows the same error message about not being able to read the contents of the iPod [iPod name], prompting to do a restore. Everything on the device seems untouched.

I then thought of how I'm having a static drive number assigned to the iPod (I have two and keeping them from not occupying the same drive letter is important for foo_dop managing), so tried reverting it back to a dynamically assigned drive letter using diskpart, just in case, to rule out a possible variable. But no luck, restoring just doesn't want to work.

Next stop: Reboot iPod in disk mode, plug it in and try restoring again. Nope. Still doesn't want to restore. Just goes through the same process resulting in iTunes saying it can't read the iPod's contents.

Guess I'll have to open up the iPod, pull out the microSDs from the iFlash adapter and do a thorough reformatting on them from the ground up to try and force and actually fresh start on it... Really odd.  :o
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: Erecshyrinol on 2021-11-23 22:21:19
Alright, turns out it was that one of the three microSDs I had in the iPod had decided to fail.
Took all three cards out today and proceeded to format them with AOMEI. Two Toshibas worked properly and formatted just fine, but the single Sandisk doesn't. Gotta get that replaced then.  8)
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: goo.awayy.420 on 2022-01-27 13:57:16
After transferring music files to my ipod, the output lists a bunch of files that have this error message after iPod Manager was finished transferring them. ("failed to add gapless data for file: error parsing file. file may be corrupt"). I listened to these songs on my iPod and they play fine. There is no audible corruption, and they appear to have transferred without issue. Is this just a bug or something? I really could not find ANY information on these errors. Does anyone know what this means? Are the files really corrupted? They play fine.

"failed to add gapless data for file: error parsing file. file may be corrupt"
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2022-01-27 17:22:17
What file format are they, and what encoder was used (or where did they come from)?

The component will try to read information needed by the iPod for gapless playback from MP3s and MP4s. The error only means the component was not able to extract the required information. It would probably indicate a bug in the bit of the component that extracts that data that rather than anything else.

If the files otherwise play fine the implication would only be that there may be a very short gap (or some other artefact possibly) between affected tracks when playing them on your iPod. (Also note that some older iPods did not support gapless playback anyway.)

If you're able to send me a sample file I can double-check the reason for the error when I get some time to look at it.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: goo.awayy.420 on 2022-01-28 19:08:49
Hello, so these are files that came from all over the place. I honestly don't even remember at this point. They are quite old. The below is a screenshot of the mediainfo specs of one of the files that is effected. I believe it should have all encoding information listed. I figured that the error just meant that for whatever reason, the file is lacking gapless data, however the error message specifically says "file may be corrupt" at the end of the full error message, I so I wanted to make sure.

https://imgur.com/a/7zLqDRT

Also, what is the best way for me to send you a sample file?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2022-01-30 13:40:23
I've had a look at the sample file.

Firstly, the LAME header is missing from the file. This can be seen in the attached screenshots (showing the Details tab of the Properties window in foobar2000) comparing the sample file with a known good file. Without the ENC_DELAY and ENC_PADDING fields gapless playback isn't possible. Since your file was also encoded by LAME 3.92, I don't know any legitimate reason it would be missing.

Secondly, there is some extra data between the ID3v2 tag and the start of the first MPEG frame. This is actually what is causing the error. The iPod requires the offset of the 8th last MPEG frame, and therefore the component has to work that offset out, and it mistakes a byte sequence in this unknown data as the start of the first MPEG frame.

The extra data seems to be 583 bytes long. (The 'Utilities/Rebuild MP3 stream' tool in the context menu in foobar2000 will remove this data.)

One possibility is that some tool used on the file has overwritten the first couple of MPEG frames (including the LAME header, and the extra data that is left behind is a partial MPEG frame) with the ID3v2 tag. Comparing the file with an unmodified original copy would give a more definitive answer.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: goo.awayy.420 on 2022-01-30 15:06:07
I've had a look at the sample file.

Firstly, the LAME header is missing from the file. This can be seen in the attached screenshots (showing the Details tab of the Properties window in foobar2000) comparing the sample file with a known good file. Without the ENC_DELAY and ENC_PADDING fields gapless playback isn't possible. Since your file was also encoded by LAME 3.92, I don't know any legitimate reason it would be missing.

Secondly, there is some extra data between the ID3v2 tag and the start of the first MPEG frame. This is actually what is causing the error. The iPod requires the offset of the 8th last MPEG frame, and therefore the component has to work that offset out, and it mistakes a byte sequence in this unknown data as the start of the first MPEG frame.

The extra data seems to be 583 bytes long. (The 'Utilities/Rebuild MP3 stream' tool in the context menu in foobar2000 will remove this data.)

One possibility is that some tool used on the file has overwritten the first couple of MPEG frames (including the LAME header, and the extra data that is left behind is a partial MPEG frame) with the ID3v2 tag. Comparing the file with an unmodified original copy would give a more definitive answer.

Thank you so much for your assistance. I am currently getting an original copy. Do you mind if I send you the original copy of that file to check to see if it has the same issues? I can also send it to you via email like I did with the first file. Thank you so much.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: goo.awayy.420 on 2022-01-30 15:16:27
Additionally, now that I look further, I don't see that any of my foobar files have the ENC_DELAY or ENC_PADDING values?

EDIT: Okay so some mp3 files do, some files do not.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2022-01-30 17:42:51
The original (or older) copy of the file has the same oddities. So that would suggest the problem occurred before you got that file, and there may be multiple reasons for getting that error on different files.

I'd suggest just ignoring the warnings, but if you turn off the 'Set dummy gapless data for files without gapless data...' option in iPod manager preferences they should go away (if they are all MP3s). (The 'Rebuild MP3 stream' command mentioned above will probably also get rid of them.)

Additionally, now that I look further, I don't see that any of my foobar files have the ENC_DELAY or ENC_PADDING values?

EDIT: Okay so some mp3 files do, some files do not.
It will depend on the encoder as well.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: goo.awayy.420 on 2022-01-30 17:45:23
The original (or older) copy of the file has the same oddities. So that would suggest the problem occurred before you got that file, and there may be multiple reasons for getting that error on different files.

I'd suggest just ignoring the warnings, but if you turn off the 'Set dummy gapless data for files without gapless data...' option in iPod manager preferences they should go away (if they are all MP3s). (The 'Rebuild MP3 stream' command mentioned above will probably also get rid of them.)

Additionally, now that I look further, I don't see that any of my foobar files have the ENC_DELAY or ENC_PADDING values?

EDIT: Okay so some mp3 files do, some files do not.
It will depend on the encoder as well.

Yes, that file is from the original source and is the "original" that I got. Thank you for taking the time to look into this. Okay then, that is good to know that I did not do anything to corrupt it. Do you mind if I message you in the future with any further Foobar2000 questions? I've been using Foobar2000 for years, but there are some things that I just cannot find documentation or explanations for.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2022-01-31 21:40:26
Do you mind if I message you in the future with any further Foobar2000 questions? I've been using Foobar2000 for years, but there are some things that I just cannot find documentation or explanations for.
I may not be the best person to answer those questions, so I'd recommend posting them on the forum. I usually read posts related to a component that I've developed – you can always put @musicmusic in a message to get my attention, but generally speaking, I tend to focus my time on things (bugs and problems especially) relating to components I've developed.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: fivefivefiver on 2022-03-28 11:11:30
Hey, I'm not sure if this has been answered before, but searching the forum didn't turn up any results, so apologies if I missed something.

I can't encode anything through the iPod -> Send to iPod option.

Here's my options:

AAC encoder (qaac.exe):

Code: [Select]
--cvbr 96 -q 0 -o %d -

Fails with error code "Unexpected process exit code 00000002h"

MP3 encoder (lame.exe)

-S -b 320 %d

Fails with error code "Unexpected process exit code FFFFFFFFh"

Any ideas what i'm doing wrong? Latest foo_dop, latest foobar encoder pack.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: fivefivefiver on 2022-03-28 12:46:30
Nevermind - solved it. The LAME encoder syntax should be as follows:

Code: [Select]
 -S -b 320 - %d 

Another question - is it possible to send a foobar2000 playlist to an iPod without creating duplicate files on the device?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2022-03-28 19:55:03
It should reuse existing files if they haven't been modified since they were originally transferred – but it will otherwise resend files.

The main way to avoid duplicates therefore would be to use the 'Synchronise...' command.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: fivefivefiver on 2022-04-01 16:15:06
It should reuse existing files if they haven't been modified since they were originally transferred – but it will otherwise resend files.

The main way to avoid duplicates therefore would be to use the 'Synchronise...' command.

What counts as "modified"? Because I just hit synchronize and was surprised to see the component decide it has to replace (and thus, re-encode) all 5002 songs in my library - seemingly because the play count changed.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2022-04-01 17:26:47
For transcoded files, it's the original last modified date, original file size and a few key metadata fields (ARTIST, TITLE, ALBUM, TRACKNUMBER, DISCNUMBER).

There's an allowance for an exact different of one hour in the last modified date, because time zone confusion after the clocks going back or forwards was common depending on the file system and version of Windows. (There's also some rounding to account for differences in timestamp resolution.)

How are your play counts being stored? Is there anything unusual about where the original files are stored?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: fivefivefiver on 2022-04-01 17:58:15
Um, no idea - I'm just using the default Playback Statistics component. I checked the Advanced options tab and its "automatically synchronize file tags with statistics" feature is turned off, so I'm assuming it doesn't write to the audio file itself and keeps everything in a separate db file?
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2022-04-01 19:36:27
Yes, then it shouldn't be related to the play counts. I'd check the last modified date on your local PC of some of the affected files to see if they've been modified recently.

The other thing I'd check is whether the files have 'yes' under 'In DopDB' if you go to File/iPod/Manage contents and click on the root item in the tree.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: dougw on 2022-08-01 02:29:50
I'm having an issue when syncing. For about 120/17,000 tracks I get a warning after synchronization: "Failed to add file to iPod: Network path not found". The source file shows a path to a network share that I haven't used in several years, instead of the current path to the file. Is it possible this is some kind of a caching issue? Would appreciate any advice. Thanks.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2022-08-01 19:52:18
All files to sync come from either the media library or the playlists selected to sync. Therefore my first guess is that those files are still in an old playlist somewhere. But I'd also check that that the network path isn't still listed on the Media Library page in preferences.

There's nowhere else they could be coming from.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: dougw on 2022-08-03 16:21:30
The thanks for the response. The issue was an old playlist that still referenced the disconnected share. Appreciate the help.
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: felix23 on 2023-10-13 14:36:38
Dear community,

I like to report problem with the ipod manager 0.7.2 under foobar2000 version 2.0 (32 bit). I am running an old ipod touch 2g which is supported. I just copy and paste what I wrote under foobar2000 v2.0bugs. The first message provides some addition information about my setup.

"I guess my wired setup might be the reason but it worked for several years. I use an ipod touch 2G and I love the playlist features which help me to teach my sport lessons. I know that sounds strange but I do not like the idea of streaming. I own the music and I can use it when I want to use it. Anyway

when I connect my ipod touch 2G it will be recognized by win11 under usb-devices (apple mobile device usb composite device). In this state I cannot use the ipod manager 0.7.2 because the device can not be found. It is every time the same procedure. Now I need to uninstall the apple mobile device usb composite device driver and also set unistall driver. After that I need to rediscover all changed devices. Now the ipod touch 2G is recognized as USB-Controller device (apple mobile device usb driver ver 6.0.9999.67 from 18.05.2015). In this state ipod manger 0.7.2. finds my ipod touch 2G and can be synced. I know it sounds rediclious but this worked for me several years since the 2.0 update appeared. What I am looking for is a configuration without the whole itunes package, just the drivers to get foobar running. I spended so my hours in the past to get it running and I really fear the effort again to set it up working. May you or others had the same issue and can provide a setup that is foolproof."

"In my humble opinion there has to be any connection with the new version. I reinstalled foobar2000_v2.0 (32bit) in a different directory and ran it. The ipod touch 2g is support (https://wiki.yuo.be/dop:start at least for my software version) and was recognized. I used File->iPod->manage contents, where a window appeard, curiously since some update in the past "genius playlists" appeard several time on my device, but I don't want to complain about it, if the whole device still syncs. Now I tried to remove some old playlist and all of these genius playlists. Finally I hit "save and close" and following error appeard

I/O Error: AFCFileRefOpen returned: 2 Path was: /com.apple.itunes.lock_sync

So I closed foobar2.0 and reopened directly the old version 1.6.16 and did the same steps above, but this time it worked. So in my humble opinion something is not right aligned between these two versions. Does anybody has any ideas about it?"

Please let me know if I can provide further assistance.

Many thanks
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2023-10-13 15:28:38
I installed foobar2000 2.0 32-bit and the compatible version of iTunes in a Windows 11 VM, and connected my iPod touch 4G to that VM. I was able to use Manage contents without problem.

The only reference to that error code I can find is at: https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php?topic=86621.0

You could also try opening the iPod system log in the same way (Shift+File/iPod/System log viewer) and see if anything is logged there after triggering the error. (In your case the error only seems to be when writing, which is different from the linked post.)

If you want to try a VM, VMware Workstation Player is free and so are short-term Windows VM images: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/downloads/virtual-machines/ When you connect a USB device, VMware Workstation Player will offer to connect it to the virtual machine. (Surprisingly, the download for the compatible version of iTunes for 64-bit Windows is also still live at https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1816.)
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: nfsking2 on 2023-12-11 00:45:45
Hi there.

I have a function request which may sound strange: is it possible to add a function to transfer music files to certain drive letter with manually specified iPod model and then rebuild the iTunes database automatically?

The reason I desire this feature is that I have an iPod 2nd Gen from 2002 with a 10GB hard disk. The hard disk had some bad blocks so I replaced it with a CF card.

I managed to restore the firmware to the CF card and the iPod could recognize it as a HDD, but for some complicated reasons, the flash card/SSD modified iPod 1nd~3rd Gen would not sync with iTunes by FireWire connection.

Some of these FireWire-only iPods users have discovered that iPod mini can be used as a CF card reader, so they can sync their music files to iPod mini and then put the CF card back into their FireWire iPods, but this method involves disassembling both iPods and rewriting the firmware every time.

I know that iPod Manager automatically recognizes iPod device and it's model, and then transfer the music file to the iPod disk, then create or rebuild the iTunesDB and iTunesControl database files.

Is it possible to have iPod Manager perform this series of operations on a manually specified drive letter? In this way, I can simply put the CF card into the normal card reader and transfer music files.

Thanks!
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: musicmusic on 2023-12-11 18:38:29
For such an old iPod model it could be theoretically implemented (for newer models less so, because it actually issues USB commands to query certain properties from the iPod). Alas, as you're probably aware, the component hasn't had any updates in a few years (interest has clearly dropped, and I haven't used an iPod in many years...)
Title: Re: iPod manager
Post by: nfsking2 on 2023-12-13 18:41:18
For such an old iPod model it could be theoretically implemented (for newer models less so, because it actually issues USB commands to query certain properties from the iPod). Alas, as you're probably aware, the component hasn't had any updates in a few years (interest has clearly dropped, and I haven't used an iPod in many years...)

Thanks for the reply.

I completely understand that it was a strange request and you've also lost interest in the iPod devices after all these years. In fact, iPod has not been my primary music player since about 10 years ago.

I've taken the liberty of making this feature request for two main reasons: First, iPod Manager is the best iPod music syncing utility I've ever used on Windows, it requires no installation, and it's simple to use. Second, even though the iPod is no longer popular and has even been retired, it is still a symbol of its time, especially the early iPods, which symbolized the beginning of the digital music era.

So with a device like this, I think it makes sense to have a tool that keeps them alive.

If you don't have the time or for any other reason not to update your iPod manager right now, I completely understand. After all, it's always been a free tool and there's nothing to be gained by doing so. I just look forward to the day when, if you have nothing better to do and plan to bring more updates to it, you'll take this need of mine into consideration.

Thanks and regards!