A donation? What is it for?
ChristianHJW spoke to Frank Klemm, the long-time developer of MPC who took over from Andree Buschmann, and he found out that Frank's PC is out of order. Its certainly not like he didn't have the money to repair it, no. But you maybe know this feeling: There is something you have to do, say repair the car, but you can't find your toolbox anymore. This is all so frustrating, as you know its a lot of work and even the first necessity to start working on it is missing, you decide to take the bus instead...
This wasn't the only reason that he didn't continue to program like he used to. But our hope is that with a new, fully setup PC for him we could give him the 'tool' to actually start coding again and show him that we REALLY do care about his work, and appreciate his outstanding work on MPC. Frank confirmed that he will accept the PC.
So what could result from this?
When Frank will be productive again with a new PC, we will likely see a finalized SV 7.5 of MPC. He may also pick up work on SV8 again, or concentrate on something completely different. Whatever he will do, we are sure that he will put this PC to good use, and that the work of this gifted programmer will benefit the community. However, don't think of this as a payment and obligation for him to immediately program something. It is rather an acknowledgement and a chance.
The donation has ended. For any questions about a pending donation, PM me.
List of people who donated:
rpop, sthayashi, indybrett, MachineHead, jrj, sv3n, seanyseansean, grombulk, ddrawley, Zao, kdo, sozinterror, BennyX, Tomb, ChristianHJW, JohnV, user, lostgallifreyan, scottc, Spoon, Rommel, Floydian Slip, TURBO, Guruboolez, atici, NumLOCK, tanfenton, ancl, Beast1979, Lazarus, honz318712, Dologan, pj, ears, Ariakis, DotNoir, sshd, qristus, Ganymed, harashin, AgentMil, BetaBoy/CoreCodec, huanjo, Treefingers, Jack Comics, Download-This, synchros, AndyMutz, Dibrom/Hydrogenaudio.org, RodoDendro, Destroid, NickSD, S_O, damjang, TheBashar, Loke, DM-UK, 2Bdecided, Ivan Dimkovic, Sunhillow, Toroco, tiki4, ff123, Entr_opy, j8ee, Lev, ssamadhi97, alancienne/xtrem-audio.com, md`, hödyr, robUx4, Doctor, Gecko, Radioactive Man, Wombat, s.tsuyoshi, Tri, JensRex, zegilles, jasnic02, SometimesWarrior, donovansmith, Halcyon, Case, Guigui, anishbenji, Supachikn, Tronic, music_man_mpc, Vertigo, Discantus, Frodoontop, Deimos
(There have been anonymous donations.)
Thank you all very much for your support!
We had to upgrade the PayPal account to a Premium account in order to accept all donations. Also, please don't donate an amount less than 1 Euro, since PayPal would eat up most of it with the donation fee.
Thank you so much for all the donations so far! The post will be updated with all donations!
So, lets see if all the people who promised to donate in the first poll remember what they said they will give for Frank's new PC .....
So, lets see if all the people who promised to donate in the first poll remember what they said they will give for Frank's new PC .....
I never voted either way.
I did however put my money where I believe it will do some good for anyone interested in this.
If Mr. Klemm decides to pick this up and go again it would be great.
Thanks CiTay for doing something about it.
A stupid question:
Is there a way to donate without credit card? Ya know, these aren't so common among old europeans
Transfer to a german bank account would be ideal
I'm still going to donate my soundcard, and once I get my paycheck I will donate some money as well.
Sweet! I was wondering when this was going to happen. I have a new credit card coming in the mail, I'll donate as soon as it arrives!
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A stupid question:
Is there a way to donate without credit card? Ya know, these aren't so common among old europeans
Transfer to a german bank account would be ideal
Of course, send me a private message and i will give you the necessary details. As mentioned, bank transfers within the EU don't cost more than national transfers.
Interesting to see how long it will take to reach 1150 euros. Even HA hasn't received that much from donations yet.
To JohnV, point taken, donation made.
To CiTay, donation made, thanks for coordinating this.
I voted for 10 ?/$ but I havent a creditcard, so....
Sorry! Is there any other way?
Big_Berny
I voted for 10 ?/$ but I havent a creditcard, so....
Sorry! Is there any other way?
Big_Berny
Yes, send me a Private Message (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?act=Msg&CODE=04&MID=3) for bank transfer details.
Interesting to see how long it will take to reach 1150 euros. Even HA hasn't received that much from donations yet.
Agreed. Fixed (for me anyway).
It seems there are people reluctant to donate because we havent announced what hardware gets chosen.
Rest assured we are in a close dialogue with Frank about what parts can be reused from his old PC, and what new parts he wants to have. The decision is his, not ours ....
I will throw in €20 when you have collected €500.
my 2 € cents are done
(wasn't counted in the poll, due to view = null vote)
yeah, my old PayPal account seems to have been useful at least once. well, what i said earlier, to use paypal, you had to get the premium account.
btw, how much does it 'eat' ?
Thank you very much for all your donations! It goes along very well.
btw, how much does it 'eat' ?
Fees already made up more than 17 Euros so far. The previous prediction for the fees didn't include the extra 1% fee for payments from foreign countries (i.e. for payments from the USA in US $). Total fees could grow to over 70 Euros.
I wouldn't cap it at 1100, just get a better PC if it goes over...
If my wife would let me (not a chance ) for programming two LCDs would help (not sure linux can have 2 screens like XP?), then the source and debugging is on one screen and program running on the other.
Anyhow, dig deep people MPC is useful.
I wouldn't cap it at 1100, just get a better PC if it goes over...
Right, although I wouldn't expect the donation speed to continue this fast, CiTay said that he will consider raising the target to maybe 1350.
Gotta admit that it's been quite impressive. 369 € in about 4 hours, so far.
Interesting to see how long it will take to reach 1150 euros. Even HA hasn't received that much from donations yet.
Points well taken. I was just waiting for HA to setup other payment option than Paypal. Due to my previous experience and my personal stance against Paypal, I didn't want to use Paypal. But since I opened one account (again!) to donate for Frank Klemm, I took this opportunity to give my share to HA community as well.
IMHO, we shouldn't limit the contribution amount. This way we may be able to add some niceties when we have enough fund in addition to the original plan. Moreover, some late comers who won't see this post before the donation period closed, may feel to be left out in this party of giving something back to Frank.
Yeah, unbelievable! That's great!
I wouldn't cap it at 1100, just get a better PC if it goes over...
Right, although I wouldn't expect the donation speed to continue this fast, CiTay said that he will consider raising the target to maybe 1350.
Gotta admit that it's been quite impressive. 369 € in about 4 hours, so far.
I dont believe we will easily reach over the original target we set, but i'd like to be surprised positively of course. Even if we wouldnt reach the target at all, i am convinced we could still build a pretty nice machine for him, so the project would not be in question at all because of that.
Actually, i am more and more looking forward to the day when we ring on Frank's door and bring him the new baby. Expect a series of pretty nice pictures about this day being published here from my side, so you will finally have the chance to see how your hero is looking like .... LOL .....
I really enjoy using Musepack, and I feel it is right to give something back.
Yet 50€ more for a good cause
MPC, the best since the beginning. GO Frank!
MPC, the best since the beginning. GO Frank!
Yes let's forget about the forum rules just for this thread and rave freely about MPC!
I'm still going to donate my soundcard, and once I get my paycheck I will donate some money as well.
Yes, hardware can also be donated, contact me for that. But remember that the hardware must be shipped to Germany. Depending on where you live, for some things this might become too expensive to justify the donation.
About the donation limit: I never expected this to proceed so well. If we should reach the limit soon and people still have the urge to donate, it can run a bit longer. There are several possibilities to upgrade the PC some more.
About the donation limit: I never expected this to proceed so well. If we should reach the limit soon and people still have the urge to donate, it can run a bit longer. There are several possibilities to upgrade the PC some more.
I don't know what the final amount will be, but in case it goes real high (>350 Euro unused?), may I suggest adding a TFT flat panel ?
It really is a pleasure to use, because all the text looks so much sharper. For a programmer this is becoming a must have IMHO. Plus without this, upgrading a computer is not a full upgrade
Expect a series of pretty nice pictures about this day being published here from my side, so you will finally have the chance to see how your hero is looking like
Shame on you, Chris! Pictures only? MKV clips are the least you should offer! We want to see Frank faint at 25 FPS (at least)
Donation made.
It only remains to be seen if Citay doesn't end up fleeing to Greece with all the money. (j/k)
Donation made.
It only remains to be seen if Citay doesn't end up fleeing to Greece with all the money. (j/k)
LOL
Where is the bloke ? Seems he was up late last night, so there is nobody to update his donation progress bar since a couple of hours ....
If my wife would let me (not a chance ) for programming two LCDs would help (not sure linux can have 2 screens like XP?), then the source and debugging is on one screen and program running on the other.
Off topic, but as lonf as you have one of the correct GFX cards, then, yes, Linux does support two Monitors, but only in X i think.
Kristian
Donation made.
It only remains to be seen if Citay doesn't end up fleeing to Greece with all the money. (j/k)
Don't come now to Greece it is snowing...
Done... Enjoy your new PC Frank!!!
Where is the bloke ? Seems he was up late last night, so there is nobody to update his donation progress bar since a couple of hours ....
Sorry sorry, the bloke is back... even Admins need sleep. Anyway, major status update. We're at 67% now, keep it up!
But remember that the hardware must be shipped to Germany. Depending on where you live, for some things this might become too expensive to justify the donation.
Where exactly do you live in Germany, CiTay?
What happens if we don't reach the desired amount of money?
What happens if we don't reach the desired amount of money?
We can reuse a lot of parts from Frank's old PC then. Dont worry, even with the money we have right now, his new PC will become reality, even if the 'motivation kick ass factor' for him to do more with computers and less with his DVD player and TV would be smaller then ....
What happens if we don't reach the desired amount of money?
I will donate again. There will probably be others who will do the same.
And don't forget that some people donate via bank transfer. Those donations can take a couple of days until they arrive, so we will get another little boost from that.
And don't forget that some people donate via bank transfer. Those donations can take a couple of days until they arrive, so we will get another little boost from that.
I personally got PMs from at least 3 people already having donated via bank transfer to CiTay directly, with about 80,- € together ( 50,- € alone from Tronic, the MCF inventor ) .....
I donated 30 € via bank transfer. I don't know how fast these things go, but it will probably take a few days.
Edit: I just checked the "help files" of my homebanking. It should take about three days . Maybe four. So it could be as late as friday.
If we don't reach our goal, I'll be willing to donate another $20 once I get paid (which will be at the end of the month).
Frank is gonna get a new PC la la la.... we are almost there and if that total don't have the bank transfers on there, then we are there already!!!
w00t... this is called appreciation for a man's work...
Thanks everyone for chipping in...
The status bar layout has been updated, because we will probably go above the 1150 Euro goal that we initially set, once the bank donations come in. You can still donate. All extra money will be spent on upgrading the PC, there will be nothing going to waste here. Again, already a thank you to all donators, the donation process is nothing less than amazing. The next status update will be coming in a few hours.
for programming two LCDs would help (not sure linux can have 2 screens like XP?), then the source and debugging is on one screen and program running on the other.
You might want to read this:
http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO.html (http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO.html)
Basically, you can have as many video cards or cards with multiple outputs and screens with different sizes and have a very amorphous desktop (i recall an example of having a non rectangular wall of monitors with a hole)
So yes, it is XP that is just "catching on" (but then i have seen video drivers in earlier windows versions do the "dual monitor" stuff)
You can also redirect errors to another card/monitor working in a text mode console (like an old mono/ttl)
In short, yes, you can.
Congratz with the quick fund raising, i hope these things were considered more often in open source projects. I was also wondering if the earlier MPC develpers should get something too
The first bank donation just came in. 5% to go until we reach the donation goal.
OMG FFS that's incredible! 95% in only 3 days! That's amazing!
OMG FFS that's incredible! We are at 95% in only 3 days! That's amazing!
No offence, but you've posted 3 times in this thread and I don't see your donation up on the list?
Yes you're right. Sentence corrected.
I'm only a student, currently I don't have a work, I don't have a credit card nor a bank account...I'd have to ask to my father to make the donation but he's not interested in MPC and he's very diffident to use internet for money transfers...
if i had a job i would have given you some money. I'll try to convince my father.
Sorry.
Yes you're right. Sentence corrected.
But I'm only a student, I don't have a work, I don't have a credit card nor a bank account...I'd have to ask to my father to make the donation but he's not interested in MPC and he's very diffident to use internet for money transfers...if I had a work I'd have surely donated some euros.
Sorry.
It's not the lack of donation, it's more the pointles 'Whhooo! Yeah!' type posts. Nothing else was inferred, I was a skint student once too.
As we're at 95%, the pc build should begin soon which means i'll be sat here getting all edgy and tetchy about a possible new mpc release
5% to go until we reach the donation goal.
I hope my new Credit Card will arrive in time (should be any day now). I had to destroy the old one.
I am very glad to announce that we reached our intitial donation goal of 1150 Euros!
A big thank you to everyone who donated and to everyone who supports this. We are absolutely stunned by the overwhelming participation. The donation will still continue, probably till the end of this week, for the bank account donations to arrive in time. Bank account donations will probably be accepted till wednesday or thursday. You may also still donate via PayPal if you feel the urge to donate, however, it is not required anymore for the basic PC. All extra money will be spent on upgrading the PC.
I know all you guys are very tech savvy so I am sure you'd also consider to buy the hardware online or wherever cheapest. The prices in US fluctuate a lot: a simple price scan on the online retailers or eBay usually is unbeatable by a wide margin by street retailers. It should more or less be the same in Europe. You could also consider to have the main costly items (CPU, mobo, memory) to be shipped from USA if that would be cheaper. This way the benefit of these donations could be maximized
I know all you guys are very tech savvy so I am sure you'd also consider to buy the hardware online or wherever cheapest. The prices in US fluctuate a lot: a simple price scan on the online retailers or eBay usually is unbeatable by a wide margin by street retailers. It should more or less be the same in Europe. You could also consider to have the main costly items (CPU, mobo, memory) to be shipped from USA if that would be cheaper. This way the benefit of these donations could be maximized
We already thought of that and also discussed it in the thread Frank Klemm's new PC. Of course the hardware will be bought online, at very reliable german online shops where we can be sure that there will be no bad surprises. Ordering from USA is out of the question for various reasons mentioned in the thread. But thanks for thinking about these things and bringing it up.
I would like to pose a question for consideration. Would it be appropriate to request permission from the donators to funnel the overage to the HydrogenAudio fund. Frank is already going to get a great machine. It would be nice to see the melting pot called HA benefit as well. Without these forums, many codecs, MPC included would not have a place to be fleshed out and tested. If Frank does go forward with MPC development, all codecs could benefit. I say this because one item I heard proposed was to make the psi-model modular. This would allow AAC/MP3/whatever to benefit from what Frank himself called the greatest strength of MPC, the psi-model.
I would like to pose a question for consideration. Would it be appropriate to request permission from the donators to funnel the overage to the HydrogenAudio fund. Frank is already going to get a great machine. It would be nice to see the melting pot called HA benefit as well.
I'd second that, but to be honest i'm happy with whatever way they use the overflow cash.
I would like to pose a question for consideration. Would it be appropriate to request permission from the donators to funnel the overage to the HydrogenAudio fund. Frank is already going to get a great machine. It would be nice to see the melting pot called HA benefit as well.
I'd second that, but to be honest i'm happy with whatever way they use the overflow cash.
You cannot collect money for a specific purpose and then give the money to someone else.
I would like to pose a question for consideration. Would it be appropriate to request permission from the donators to funnel the overage to the HydrogenAudio fund. Frank is already going to get a great machine. It would be nice to see the melting pot called HA benefit as well.
I'd second that, but to be honest i'm happy with whatever way they use the overflow cash.
You cannot collect money for a specific purpose and then give the money to someone else.
Yeah, the money will be used only for Frank's PC. CiTay will get a small payment for handling the donation, assembly and installing of the machine, but that's it.
Perhaps my earlier post was not clear.
"Would it be appropriate to request permission from the donators to funnel the overage to the HydrogenAudio fund."
Permission is the key word here.
Frank will not benefit as much from a 4 Ghz machine vs 3 Ghz, as would HA having the excess. If people read the earlier posts in this thread, they will see the HA contributions have been quite low. That is troubling considering the benefits of having HA here for us.
Edit: You have my permission to redirect my $15 US to HA if you wish to CiTay.
Please shoot me...
How can i donate?
We would be very glad if you could donate something, even if it's not much. The best way to donate is PayPal. Don't worry if you don't have a PayPal account, it is very easy to set up and free of charge. All transactions through PayPal are completely secure. While making the donation, you will have the chance to enter your Hydrogenaudio nickname in order to be listed below. If you prefer to stay anonymous, simply don't enter your nickname and you will not be listed. Any donated money will only be spent for the purpose of this donation.
ok... whats the address for PayPal? (My account did have 'issue's' with it, recently, although, upon checking today, it all seems working again)
I honestly cant see it anywhere!...
I gotta cut back on drinking......
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You cannot collect money for a specific purpose and then give the money to someone else.
Unless you happen to be the federal government
How can i donate?
We would be very glad if you could donate something, even if it's not much. The best way to donate is PayPal. Don't worry if you don't have a PayPal account, it is very easy to set up and free of charge. All transactions through PayPal are completely secure. While making the donation, you will have the chance to enter your Hydrogenaudio nickname in order to be listed below. If you prefer to stay anonymous, simply don't enter your nickname and you will not be listed. Any donated money will only be spent for the purpose of this donation.
ok... whats the address for PayPal? (My account did have 'issue's' with it, recently, although, upon checking today, it all seems working again)
I honestly cant see it anywhere!...
I gotta cut back on drinking......
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well, have a look at 1st page of this thread, 1st post iirc.
Perhaps my earlier post was not clear.
"Would it be appropriate to request permission from the donators to funnel the overage to the HydrogenAudio fund."
Permission is the key word here.
Frank will not benefit as much from a 4 Ghz machine vs 3 Ghz, as would HA having the excess. If people read the earlier posts in this thread, they will see the HA contributions have been quite low. That is troubling considering the benefits of having HA here for us.
After JohnV's hint couple of people actually made some donation to HA together with fund for Frank's PC. I think everybody is well aware of the fact that both needs some fund to run the show. Everybody is free to donate something in addition to other one. But, IMHO, putting some money from one pot to another for different purpose might not be a good idea.
I'd rather see my money go to Frank than HA. That's just my personal priority, no offence meant.
I'd rather see my money go to Frank than HA. That's just my personal priority, no offence meant.
This money including the extra "red" goes to Frank's PC.
No offence taken. But you know what to do if you want to help HA..
But you know what to do if you want to help HA..
Sorry to be off-topic, but was there ever a way set up to make a single donation to HA?
It was mentioned as a work-in-progress on the thread announcing the subscriptions, but I haven't seen anything since. I can't be the only one who doesn't like recurring credit card transactions.
Ahh haa, the paypal icon wasnt showing up on my computer at work - have donated
I must admit that I thought that this initiative was kinda goofy at first. But now I'm, well, AMAZED. Congratulations.
My surprise and overall astonished state will reach cosmic levels if Frank actually starts working on Musepack again.
Once more, congratulations to all that contributed.
Enjoy!
Even if Frank doesn't write another line of code, I hope this helps him to understand the level of appreciation we all have.
Even if Frank doesn't write another line of code, I hope this helps him to understand the level of appreciation we all have.
I'll second that.
Even if Frank doesn't write another line of code, I hope this helps him to understand the level of appreciation we all have.
I'm speechless.
First I though it is only a crazy idea by Christian.
But it seems to be real ...
Hi Frank. Thank you!
I'm glad the community showed Frank what they think of his work. It is happy news to us all.
Keep up the good work, and to the others who mocked Chris on #foobar2000:
AHAHAHAHAHAH to you all
(my last off-topic post ever)
Hey Frank, thanks for stopping by. Now you can see how much we appreciate your work...
Keep up with your good spirit.
Frank, thank you very much for all the work you've done on MPC. It's greatly appreciated.
Tonight i had a more than 3 hour phone conversation with Frank Klemm. We talked about many things, regarding the forum, the hardware for the PC, and of course about MPC. I hope i can recall most of it. We often switched topics so it may all sound somewhat disconnected. But he is a very nice person to talk with and not one bit arrogant.
He told me why he rarely visits web forums. He always used Newsgroups. He prefers the idea of offline storing, post scoring, filtering, thread selection, fast local search and the speed in which he can comb through new posts in NGs. For forums, he is too used to his workplace, where they have a big line and anything comes up in half a second. At home, he just has a modem. I offered that we could pay for a DSL line, but he prefers a modem. He says, with DSL, he would stay online too often and wouldn't focus on things like programming anymore. He handles all his bigger downloads at his workplace. Also, he doesn't really like how forum threads sometimes get off-topic really quick and you have to read a lot because you don't have much filtering features. It's more about preference towards newsgroups. But he said that he will see if he can visit HA more often.
Then we talked about short blocks and long blocks in MPC, AAC, MP3.. how an ideal audio format would have to look like. Then about P4 vs. Athlon 64, that it would probably be better to go the P4 route, because the Intel machines at his work were always rock stable, contrary to his previous Athlon system sometimes. Then other stuff that he became interested in now, like HDTV, how movie DVDs could be improved, interlaced vs. progressive playback, MPEG-2 vs. MPEG-4 vs. WMV9 etc., how TFT contrast measurements in c't are wrong, and how TFT need a much bigger screen resolution than there is now.
He also talked about his past as a LAME developer. When he started off programming on it, there were reports about a high frequency problem that they tried to fix for a long time, and he noticed a part where they used the ISO ATH which is about 50 dB wrong in that area, and he replaced it with his own measurements which were much more exact. The problem which they worked on before for decades was immediately fixed. Soon after that came complaints about bitrate going up. Then, the old code with which they tried to fix the bug before was never removed by them from the code, so there were workarounds for a bug that was fixed. The whole LAME code actually looked messy, different people used different tabulator spaces and so on. Also, it was hard to program some bigger things, because people would constantly update something, and his offline code was outdated when he finally wanted to upload. He often just hit delete then. Then were was something about a calculation for maximum possible bandwidth where there was much arguing about, for which he proposed an easy calculation which was rejected. Some time after that they removed his write access to CVS. A bit later, he found parts of his code with the copyright of other people below it. That's when he finally had enough with LAME.
After that, he moved on to MPC. He did speed optimizations for MPC with an old Pentium 166 or so, that didn't even have a soundcard, just decoding to /dev/null. As we know, he managed to improve de- and encoding speed considerably.
Then what you are probably waiting for. The current status of MPC. He said he will at the very least work on the current encoder again and make a final SV7 encoder. He will fix some remaining bugs he is aware of, like problems with file handling, and clean up the code.
About developing in general, there are some issues he traditionally had problems with. He can't do much coding for XMMS in Linux, he needs some people to help him with that, but i think Christian had an idea about that already. Then the project coordination isn't working too well. Sometimes with small issues, there is lots of feedback, but with bigger things, people are more quiet and then there is this issue again about forum/e-mail coordination. Also, he said that the current MPC website is a catastrophe. Sometimes he didn't release something because he didn't know what to update where anymore. I offered him to help him with the website so he can get new releases out without a hassle. Maybe somebody can come up with a good, clean template for the website.
This was basically it. MPC will go on. Depending on how good we can coordinate it and how good he can get into the code again, we could be able to see some more regular releases again. Thanks again to everyone who donated or will donate.
I would be happy to help design a website with minimal graphics but still a good look and feel.
I don't know if I would have time to administer it though.
I am no longer a Musepack user due to finding that MP3's were just much more convient and easier to use the way my listening habits are. However, I have always been impressed with Musepack and loved the sound quality I got from it. I want to thank everyone who helped out Frank with getting him a new PC. I hope he is able to finish off SV7 and who knows what else will happen afterwards.
Didn't at one time it was announced that Frank was going to work on OGG? Maybe I am confusing him with someone else.
I am curious what Frank thinks of AAC as well.
This might yet be the revival of MPC! And Frank has come back!. All this is so sentimental. Why not focus the new development at Project Musepack site (http://mpc.corecodec.org/) ?
This might yet be the revival of MPC! And Frank has come back!. All this is so sentimental. Why not focus the new development at Project Musepack site (http://mpc.corecodec.org/) ?
Chris and I discussed this a while ago... don't worry ... Once we know Frank has started coding well get the CoreCodec.org Project page up speed in preperation for it.
Are my services not needed then?
People prefer others appreciation to loaves and fishes.
I hope Frank won't play much with his new pc:
otherwise we will find a "Frank Klemm's CS Clan Site" instead of a "Musepacksite"
(nice site but someone forgot the second 'f' in 'ofizielle')
nice to read some short & precise comments by Frank again
This is the best codec news i've had in a long time.
Thanks Frank....
A little donation for a great cause ...
I offered that we could pay for a DSL line, but he prefers a modem. He says, with DSL, he would stay online too often and wouldn't focus on things like programming anymore. He handles all his bigger downloads at his workplace.
Hah; exactly my mindset. I would only be distracted / feel I have to sort stuff out with high speed at home.
w00t good to see ur somewhat back Frank!!!
Glad to hear that some progress will be made in the near future...
Good luck with any future endeavours... hope my donations and many others has shown to you that we are actually a bunch of caring people.
BTW I am off for another holiday hehehe... enjoy hopefully within two weeks something new and interesting will be available to play with
If I do connect it will be from somewhere exotic .
Regards
AgentMil
I want to pass on the work on the XMMS Musepack plugin to someone else.
The task was initailly done by someone else, but the plugin was horrible out of date
so I updated the plugin/removed some bugs and problems in the plugin.
But I have no skills in programming GUI stuff. "no" has here the meaning of "zero".
- Version is 0.98
- The tagging stuff do not work at all (Note: there was never an edit box for the title number in it)
- Decoder is not fully optimized, but supports all newer features like replaygain, PNS, IS °)
The maintainer should:
- be a Linux Guru
- be responsible to maintain the code
- be responsible to help people concerning plugin development
- distributing code and compiled binary packages
- work should be done carefully, so I don't need to waste time to check the work
There is some optional addition work. For instance I had included EQ presets.
Currently there are four of them to equalizer four different headphones I have in usage.
Source files are around 400 KByte. Some code is taken from the encoder/decoder.
This code I would add to the package.
°) IS is not used by any encoder
The first person who came into my mind was TrnSZ, since AFAIK he has worked with the source before to make it compile on Mac OS X. He's not a Linux user/guru though, but I'm sure he'd do a great job at maintaining it anyway.
dev0
What about xmixahlx? He maintains the Debian Rarewares site (http://rarewares.hydrogenaudio.org/debian.html).
The maintainer should:
- be a Linux Guru
- be responsible to maintain the code
- be responsible to help people concerning plugin development
- distributing code and compiled binary packages
- work should be done carefully, so I don't need to waste time to check the work
I will try to get the project more organized in future. MPC will become one of the many opensource projects around, and we will use the means of great software that was made exactly for this reason, the sourceforge Alexandria/Savannah/GForge platform on corecodec.org.
As a start i uploaded all the known sourcecode, ie. the lastest decoder sources from Case ( mppdec 1.95 z67 ), the SV8 alpha encoder and the ARM decoder sources to the CVS on http://corecodec.org/projects/mpc (http://corecodec.org/projects/mpc) . You cant browse the source tree using the webinterface on corecodec right now ( dont know whats wrong, seems to be a phyton problem ) but anynymous CVS checkout works fine, as well as committing/checkout for team members.
I will define a task on cc.org about maintaining the XMMS plugin, and ask Frank for the sourcecode of it, so i can upload it also. Whoever is interested on working on it, register on corecodec.org and contact me via email to chris AT matroska.org, so we can make a decision here. I cant help coding, but sometimes a little bit of organisation help can make a big difference for a developer i learned .....
Be sure to include the sources of foobar's MPC decoder (it's in SDK.zip), since DEATH optimized seeking a lot recently.
dev0
I'm (actually the MODEM) is transmitting the current source ball of SV7 and SV8 to Christian.
This contains the encoder and decoder of the current SV7 stable tree and the SV7.5/8
experimental tree.
The SV8 encoder and decoder do not compile, there are some source files missing, which
must be computer generated (Huffman Tables).
BTW there is really no mystic things on the encoder. Source is much shorter and simplier
than that of Lame. Most of the stuff is straight forward.
BTW2: There is an assembler file in the encoder, but the code is far from being ready and the
code was never used. Encoder is pure C. No C++ and no Assembly code.
Wow, this is all great news !
I've always thought that Musepack had its place in high quality codecs.. now if development continues (in SV7 at least), that is great !!
For Frank:Congratulations on your new PC
Some food for thought:
I know this doesn't matter for SV7, but I've been working on a fast entropy coder which is very easy to use. I haven't released its source code, but if SV8 is still planned, I'd be glad to donate it for usage in Musepack. It is short and concise.
Basically, you input a stream of bits with probability estimate for each bit, and it outputs a compressed stream. Isn't this user friendly
There is some flexibility, by switching between 8/16/32bit modes:
one-time overhead (unpredictable) Max bytes compressed into 1 bit (approx)
0..8 bits 32
0..16 bits 8k
0..32 bits 512M
Best-case is when the estimates are exact (ie: never), then after the one-time overhead, each 512MB chunk will only add 1 bit of output
Compression is great for black and white images. In general it is excellent when there are many zeros, or when the probability of a bit value (for example 0) is greater than 75% for example.
The current throughput (on P3-866 with PC133) is already decent (more than 10MBits/s). It's quite the same in the 3 operation modes.
Edit: In current SV8 Musepack, are the lossless and lossy parts dependant of each other? maybe yes? (if yes, that would make my coder quite useless for MPC right?)
Edit 2: In better words, I wondered if SV8's quantization noise is produced in the entropy coding stage or not.
Edit 2: In better words, I wondered if SV8's quantization noise is produced in the entropy coding stage or not.
Eh? I don't understand how the quantization noise could be produced in the entropy coding stage. Am I reading your question wrong?
It might be a good idea for some nice dev to split this code related discussion into a new thread maybe?
sean
I'm (actually the MODEM) is transmitting the current source ball of SV7 and SV8 to Christian.
This contains the encoder and decoder of the current SV7 stable tree and the SV7.5/8
experimental tree.
Hi Frank, nice to see you around again.
Can I make this clear - are you transmitting the sv7
encoder source to Christian for public (CVS) access?
Edit 2: In better words, I wondered if SV8's quantization noise is produced in the entropy coding stage or not.
Eh? I don't understand how the quantization noise could be produced in the entropy coding stage. Am I reading your question wrong?
sean
Um, yeah.. after a glance at the SV8 specs (last itme I looked), it seems that the encoder chooses a clever value of N, then groups N subband samples into one chunk, and then uses an entropy coding that's specific (ie: optimized) for that chosen value of N.
Perhaps I should read it again.
It might be a good idea for some nice dev to split this code related discussion into a new thread maybe?
Right. Sorry about sliding off-topic..
Edit: Cleared up things.
I'm (actually the MODEM) is transmitting the current source ball of SV7 and SV8 to Christian.
This contains the encoder and decoder of the current SV7 stable tree and the SV7.5/8
experimental tree.
Hi Frank, nice to see you around again.
Can I make this clear - are you transmitting the sv7 encoder source to Christian for public (CVS) access?
Hmmm ..... probably, but then maybe without a standard license ? In this case the normal copyright laws apply to the code, so it can be viewed but not used ? I will double check with Frank about his intentions here ....
The normal copy right laws do not give you right to copy the code without an explicit license, so it cannot be either used or viewed by us.
Frank can give you permission to redistribute the code in unmodified form if he prefers to keep it close.
Just use the MS Shared Code Source license
The donation will end this Saturday (February the 21st). The PayPal button will be removed. The pending bank transfer donations will still be accepted then, but only if you arranged it with me before the donation ended. So please don't send me a message on Sunday that you still want to donate via bank transfer, this won't be possible.
I was curious when everything is said and done and the PC is bought, can you list the complete specs of the machine that Frank is getting? I am curious what kind of Beast system he will be receiving
On a side note, I'm pretty impressed with everyone's thoughtfulness to donate money to PC. Go HA!
Long live MPC!
--Grant
One person donated via bank transfer with this text:
"DONATION BY [...] ON THE CONDITION THAT
FRANK GETS LINUX COMPATIBLE
HARDWARE NO ATI, NO CREATIVE, ETC"
I'm not sure who it was, might be that your PM to me was under a different nickname. You need to know that we already settled on an ATI card, which has good Linux support by the way. ATI provide their own Linux drivers (http://www.ati.com/support/driver.html). So it's surely "compatible". Also, i think Frank knows best what hardware he needs, there is no need to set conditions like that. But we could gladly accept your donation and use it explicitly to partly pay for another component, like the case or PSU. Please contact me again privately about this.
General eMail handling
I would suggest to use a unique naming scheme for email addresses of people
who want or may want to actively support matroska/musepack/related work
development.
Email addresses are changing from time to time, old email addresses become
invaldi or - more worse - will not be read anymore.
Idea is that a person XXX has a simple to built email address in the following
manner:
XXX @ STANDARDDOMAIN
A person with a nickname / forum name "XXX YYY" has the email address
XXX . YYY @ STANDARDDOMAIN
Proposals for such standard domains:
- hydrogenaudio.org
- matroska.org
By the way, dev0 split the thread, Sample Database discussion is now in this thread (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18902&st=0&).
Also, this is the last chance to donate. The donation will end tomorrow, only the pending donations will be accepted after that.
General eMail handling
I would suggest to use a unique naming scheme for email addresses of people
who want or may want to actively support matroska/musepack/related work
development.
Email addresses are changing from time to time, old email addresses become
invaldi or - more worse - will not be read anymore.
Idea is that a person XXX has a simple to built email address in the following
manner:
XXX @ STANDARDDOMAIN
A person with a nickname / forum name "XXX YYY" has the email address
XXX . YYY @ STANDARDDOMAIN
Proposals for such standard domains:
- hydrogenaudio.org
- matroska.org
What about
@musepack.org ?
I was asking on the MPC-general mailing lists who the owner of this domaine is currently, but got no response ( as usual ) ......
i believe it is spase who owns musepack.org
...now a dead site
rip
We should start another discussion regarding the reorganization of the Musepack project. This would include finding maintainers for PlugIns, getting an overlook over the current codebase (the situation is really confusing right now) and a general future outlook.
One person donated via bank transfer with this text:
"DONATION BY [...] ON THE CONDITION THAT
FRANK GETS LINUX COMPATIBLE
HARDWARE NO ATI, NO CREATIVE, ETC"
It was me. I hadn't registered on this board until today, so that's why you couldn't find my nick, I guess
You need to know that we already settled on an ATI card, which has good Linux support by the way. ATI provide their own Linux drivers (http://www.ati.com/support/driver.html).
In fact, there are at least three different driver sets for ATI in X11 (plus framebuffer drivers, plus VESA/VGA). Too bad that none of the drivers are actually any good, really.
Trust me -- I have ATI hardware in most of my computers, ranging from ancient Mach64 to Mobility M6, R7000 and other new devices up to R9700/R9800 (all boxes are running Linux, of course).
Most people prefer the ATI binary drivers, because they are the only ones you can actually play 3D games on (the DRI open-source drivers support OpenGL acceleration as well, but the support is lacking so many features and so much speed that nobody uses it for anything but glxgears).
ATI binary drivers (fglrx) on the other hand are very buggy... Try to switch virtual console and your X dies. Try to use palette-based colors in SDL (Linux port of Duke3D being my favorite example of this) and some color will suddenly turn transparent (you will see the desktop thru it). Try running dosbox (which is a really great PC emulator that can be used for running nearly all old DOS software and games) in full screen - it dies and your desktop is left in wrong display mode. And yes, there are even more problems, even in 2D (I don't want to discuss the 3D bugs or speed issues here).
(okay, granted: some of these issues might have their roots in buggy programs as well, but at least they never surface on other hardware or other drivers)
Oh, and yes -- ATI is aware of all these problems, but I guess it just ain't on their priority list to fix bugs on Linux drivers (oddly enough it seems like they don't care much about bugs in Windows drivers either, though).
Many people say nVidia has better drivers and some people say that nVidia's drivers suck (usually the argument here being that they are closed-source). And then there are people who claim that Matrox has good drivers (but they don't have sanely priced hardware). I personally don't have any idea on other manufacturers' support, as I haven't used their modern hardware.
However, I will take back that "condition" that no ATI hardware must be used, if Frank will decide to stick to Linux even though he
will have some serious GFX trouble... With such a talented coder getting stuck with stupid problems every day, on his own computer, we might actually get useful ATI drivers some day (once he gets frustrated enough and begins working on the drivers, that is)
(ATI - unlike nVidia - at least gives out some hardware specs, so the good open-source drivers might possibly become reality some day)
Ps. Gentoo package.mask denies installing fglrx 3.7.0 (which is the very same version ATI supplies as the "latest" on their website):
# <lu_zero@gentoo.org> (06 Jan 2004)
# Has memory leak issue
=media-video/ati-drivers-3.7.0
Get the man a cheap dualhead Matrox card
Linux drivers for the G450 are quite mature and stable. Of course 3D performance is horrid, but that probably doesn't matter to Frank. At least image quality is excellent.
Thanks for your clarification, Tronic, i will add your donation to the list.
To Garf: Frank did several tests with Matrox cards and the results weren't so good...
Get the man a cheap dualhead Matrox card
Linux drivers for the G450 are quite mature and stable. Of course 3D performance is horrid, but that probably doesn't matter to Frank. At least image quality is excellent.
- The G450 has no DVI-D/I (I have no flat panel, but may be at the end of this year)
- memory bandwidth problems when using dual head configurations
(1280 x 1024 x 32 @85 + 1280 x 1024 x 32 @75 is the last mode which works [with the right drivers])
- problems with overlay functionality (Frame grabber [even Matrox frame grabbers], TV cards, DVD playback)
- never combine hardware from different epochs, otherwise you are entering lousy tested combinations
- I wrote Citay a letter about my experiences about what should be avoided to get a stable system. Short summary:
-- avoid configurations which are not usual (this starts with P4/2.0 + Win2000)
-- avoid software and hardware combinations which are not in the focus of developers (Linux Kernel 2.2.20 crashs with a kernel panic on my current motherboard)
-- this is independent from the OS (There are enough examples for Windows and Linux)
The G100/200/450 were usual combinations in 1997/98/99, some XFree86
developers had this card in their own computers. Matrox published the
knowledge the XFree86 developers needed. This is the reason, why
at the end of the last decade Matrox cards were really a good choice.
But this is the past. Currently >90% of the graphics cards are from ATI, NVidia
and Intel.
i believe it is spase who owns musepack.org
...now a dead site
rip
Spase = pumpkinz99 = Erik Ramseth
email: pumpkinz99 <at> aol.com, space <at> outerspase.net
TZ: -0500+DST
owned: http://musepack.org/ (http://musepack.org/), http://mpegplus.outerspase.net/ (http://mpegplus.outerspase.net/), http://www.musepack-source.de/ (http://www.musepack-source.de/)
The normal copy right laws do not give you right to copy the code without an explicit license, so it cannot be either used or viewed by us.
Frank can give you permission to redistribute the code in unmodified form if he prefers to keep it close.
The current plans are:
- Encoder and Decoder are modular
- Interfaces between modules are DOCUMENTED (but I also need help to do this)
- Each module will be at least licenced by the terms of the L-GPL, other licences may be possible on request
- There will be at least an additional licence to support derived work (integer decoder for example) in mobile devices.
Matroska/Musepack is a primary aim, but never forget, high quality/high comfort music encoding
is the more general aim.
We should start another discussion regarding the reorganization of the Musepack project. This would include finding maintainers for PlugIns, getting an overlook over the current codebase (the situation is really confusing right now) and a general future outlook.
I was trying to do exactly this on the MPC mailing lists recently, and although i know all of the people who are interested in MPC are subscribed there, it seems to be too difficult for them to get used to using mailing lists.
Even Frank, who was moning about webboards all the time, is letting me down now and doesnt reply to the list at all
Believe me guys, i have some experience with running a project like this, and you cant center a project easily around a webboard. Too many developers from the outside, like app devs, etc. will simply refuse to post on a webboard if they need information to support MPC, they will request a list.
The Gmane NNTP interface makes using of mailing lists quite convenient IMO, its just like a webboard in use, but you can easily save the complete discussion of a whole week on the HDD of your laptop if you leave for the weekend, and answer stuff. Try doing this with a webboard .....
In short : First of all, we should make a decision about where the official musepack 'communication' should be taking place. Although i love HA.org, i vote for the lists, speaking from experience. Frank's voice should have a lot of weight here IMO .....
In short : First of all, we should make a decision about where the official musepack 'communication' should be taking place. Although i love HA.org, i vote for the lists, speaking from experience. Frank's voice should have a lot of weight here IMO .....
In other words: "Thanks for bringing Frank back with the donations from HA members! But now: Bye bye!"
Well, seriously speaking, we gotta admit the fact that Frank doesn't like webboards so the most logical thing is that official communication takes place on mailing lists which are already there. Though it would be good if there was a web-interface for the mailing list for web-users.
m2f (http://m2f.netclectic.com/) just went public beta and it should work with phpBB. Also CM2F (http://http://www.digitalgraal.dyndns.org/) is similar mailing list - web -interface for phpBB.
It would leave HA pretty much out of the MPC scene, but for the format it would be best if there's a concentraded place which the developer and masses like (both mailing list and web-interface).
I hope sometime in the future someone has time to port m2f for IPB so that HA can have the interface to the mailing list too. Logically thinking it would be the best to close HA MPC sections and forward all MPC traffic to the phpBB-forum on CoreCodec server as long as there's no IPB-mailing list interface. That way the MPC discussion would remain very concentraded to one place, and MPC users (and Frank) wouldn't need to read messages in several places.
I would just like to say to Frank that you will be using my soundcard, which I will be shipping to Germany in a matter of 12 hours or so. It uses the Cirrus Logic SoundFusion CS4624 DSP. I should hope this is adequate, quality wise, for your needs. It is the Hercules Gamesurround Fortissimo III 7.1 in case you were wondering.
In short : First of all, we should make a decision about where the official musepack 'communication' should be taking place. Although i love HA.org, i vote for the lists, speaking from experience. Frank's voice should have a lot of weight here IMO .....
In other words: "Thanks for bringing Frank back with the donations from HA members! But now: Bye bye!"
Well, seriously speaking, we gotta admit the fact that Frank doesn't like webboards so the most logical thing is that official communication takes place on mailing lists which are already there.
To be honest, i am not sure anymore if this is actually the case. He reluctantly refuses to use the mailing list . Hopefully he finds the time to clarify how we should proceed here.
Though it would be good if there was a web-interface for the mailing list for web-users.
m2f (http://m2f.netclectic.com/) just went public beta and it should work with phpBB. Also CM2F (http://http://www.digitalgraal.dyndns.org/) is similar mailing list - web -interface for phpBB.
It would leave HA pretty much out of the MPC scene, but for the format it would be best if there's a concentraded place which the developer and masses like (both mailing list and web-interface).
... dont swob things here ! User interaction should be via the webboard, only developer/contributor internal communication should be directed to the ML !
matroska does it exactly that way, users can turn to our webboard, while the devs discuss most internal stuff on the ML.
I hope sometime in the future someone has time to port m2f for IPB so that HA can have the interface to the mailing list too. Logically thinking it would be the best to close HA MPC sections and forward all MPC traffic to the phpBB-forum on CoreCodec server as long as there's no IPB-mailing list interface. That way the MPC discussion would remain very concentraded to one place, and MPC users (and Frank) wouldn't need to read messages in several places.
... yes, a mail-to-webboard or NNTP-to-webboard interface would be really nice, i am waiting for this for a long time. Nobody has enough time to post interesting technical matters twice, to the forums and the ML, so one of the two gets constantly left behind. For the matroska webforum on corecodec.com, for this reason its looking a bit like there is no progress with matroska, as there are not many interesting posts.
As i got requests about the NNTP interface again, here is how to do it :
Point your newsreader to
news.gmane.org (http://news://news.gmane.org) and subscribe to all groups starting with
gmane.comp.audio.mpc.xxx ... quite easy ....
Point your newsreader to news.gmane.org (http://news://news.gmane.org) and subscribe to all groups starting with gmane.comp.audio.mpc.xxx ... quite easy ....
Even easier: http://news.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.comp.audio.mpc (http://news.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.comp.audio.mpc)
It uses the Cirrus Logic SoundFusion CS4624 DSP. I should hope this is adequate, quality wise, for your needs. It is the Hercules Gamesurround Fortissimo III 7.1 in case you were wondering.
I read in specs, that this soundcard has opt. dig in & out, which is very fine.
The sampling freq. is up to 48 kHz.
it has 20 bit at out, 18 bit at inputs.
I dunno, if this soundcard isn't too limited for developemnt purposes, though. Wouldn't be 96 kHz, 24 bit capable soundcard better for dev. purposes ?
And what's about the upsampling issues like Soundblasters ?
Does somebody know, if at least this Hercules soundcard is able to output 44.1 kHz at dig. out without upsampled 48 KHz ?
... dont swob things here ! User interaction should be via the webboard, only developer/contributor internal communication should be directed to the ML !
But there's "users" mailing list section. Imo this should be the primary place for user interaction, because Frank can follow it easily since it's a mailing list. Of course it needs a web-interface which should be now easily possible to install for phpBB.
Point your newsreader to news.gmane.org (http://news://news.gmane.org) and subscribe to all groups starting with gmane.comp.audio.mpc.xxx ... quite easy ....
Even easier: http://news.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.comp.audio.mpc (http://news.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.comp.audio.mpc)
Thats not the same. The NNTP works both ways, reading and sending, an as already stated with newgroups you can easily download all of the threads in one go, and read them offline ....
just curious.. now that mpc code has been added to corecodec.. isnt it about time to update mpc.corecodec.org ? the coming soon.. message annoys me
The donation has ended!
A huge thank you to everyone who donated! When we thought about setting up a donation, we weren't sure that we would ever reach the original limit of 1150 Euros. We thought that if we would ever collect the necessary amount of money, it would take 2 or 3 weeks at the very least. But on the first three days you already proved us wrong, we received lots of donations and eventually reached the limit in no time. The level of support was unbelievable. On the last few days, we still reveived PayPal donations and also received a couple of bank donations, pushing the status bar to a stunning 150+% above to the original limit.
There were some very generous donations, but it's not the most important thing who donated what. No matter how much you put in, you showed your support and appreciation, and we thank you wholeheartedly for that. Over the last couple of days, i've been in steady contact with Frank Klemm, and i'm discussing every detail with him to make sure the new PC fits his every needs and he can just put it to good use from the beginning. We will now start ordering the hardware for a PC which won't require compromises anymore. Watch this thread for updates about the PC.
Again, thank you so much to everyone who donated and everyone who supported this idea. We are glad that we can help Frank like this now and prove that his work is really appreciated. It's a great day for MPC.
I was one of those who laughed at the idea.
I still cannot believe that what the developer needed was a brand new free PC to crank some new code.
This will be one of the things that will stand out in codec history in both a good and bad manner IMHO.
I was one of those who laughed at the idea.
I still cannot believe that what the developer needed was a brand new free PC to crank some new code.
This will be one of the things that will stand out in codec history in both a good and bad manner IMHO.
Well, Frank didn't request anything like that. ChristianHJW had the idea to start this donation as a way of "giving back" and showing him that we care. That he will also be able to be productive with a new PC that's freshly installed again, yes, you can call that a deliberate side-effect.
Frank. Enjoy your brand new PC. We all did it because this is the least we can do for this great format (MPC) and we all love you. I remember, since I tried Mpc. I never went back to anything else. We would like to thank all your working hours, and more important, the time of your live devoted to MPC and us, that wont come back. We appreciate that, and all you do for the past, the present and the future of MPC!. Period!
Now let's start a donation for the LAME, Vorbis, AAC and other developers, so they can get a new PC to develop on also (and some new inspiration maybe)
It uses the Cirrus Logic SoundFusion CS4624 DSP. I should hope this is adequate, quality wise, for your needs. It is the Hercules Gamesurround Fortissimo III 7.1 in case you were wondering.
I read in specs, that this soundcard has opt. dig in & out, which is very fine.
The sampling freq. is up to 48 kHz.
it has 20 bit at out, 18 bit at inputs.
I dunno, if this soundcard isn't too limited for developemnt purposes, though. Wouldn't be 96 kHz, 24 bit capable soundcard better for dev. purposes ?
And what's about the upsampling issues like Soundblasters ?
Does somebody know, if at least this Hercules soundcard is able to output 44.1 kHz at dig. out without upsampled 48 KHz ?
Internal sampling is much higher, 96khz, as with every AC97 compliant sound card I've seen as of recent. It can output 44.1 khz, so no probs there. As for the sampling issues with SB Lives, that is an inherent flaw in the DSP, to the best of my knowledge. The optical outputs are AC-3 passthroughs, and I know it doesn't have hardware accelerated outputs for them, they are pretty much at the mercy of software driving them.
i believe it is spase who owns musepack.org
...now a dead site
rip
Spase = pumpkinz99 = Erik Ramseth
email: pumpkinz99 <at> aol.com, space <at> outerspase.net
TZ: -0500+DST
owned: http://musepack.org/ (http://musepack.org/), http://mpegplus.outerspase.net/ (http://mpegplus.outerspase.net/), http://www.musepack-source.de/ (http://www.musepack-source.de/)
Indeed.
It seems I no longer own musepack.org.... http://www.pir.org/whois_search/ (http://www.pir.org/whois_search/)
I pretty much just forgot to renew the domain and now it's gone.
Odd...
Yes I still own outerspase.net, but I never owned musepack-source.de
The AOL email address is no longer valid really... I never use it.
spase <AT> outerspase.net or ramseth <AT> umd.edu (both end up in the same inbox).
Anyways let me know if I can be of assistance in some way (as far as web design, admin, etc.)
This is going a bit off-topic, but a good friend of mine said something about ATI I thought I should post here:
if ( ((ATI GFX) && (LINUX)) || (ATI AIW)) TroublesAhead();
if (ATI AIW) SwitchDriversForDifferentUse();
if ((ATI GFX) && (LINUX) && (AMD64)) NoGoIn3D();
if ((ATI GFX) && (!ATI AIW) ShouldBePrettyOK();
if ((ATI GFX) && (MULTIMON)) OK(BusinessTrue, GamingNoGo, MixedUseWith3rdPartySW);
if (((ATIGFX) && (Gaming)) && (ATITYPE =>9500)) Great(ExcludeMinority);
He told me why he rarely visits web forums.
I think I found another forum where FK has quite some posts too. I could be wrong but judging from the knowledge this user has (and the name of course) it must be him. Its the forum of the german loudspeaker factory Nubert:
http://www.nuforum.de/nuforum/viewtopic.php?p=9227#9227 (http://www.nuforum.de/nuforum/viewtopic.php?p=9227#9227)
He told me why he rarely visits web forums.
I think I found another forum where FK has quite some posts too. I could be wrong but judging from the knowledge this user has (and the name of course) it must be him. Its the forum of the german loudspeaker factory Nubert:
http://www.nuforum.de/nuforum/viewtopic.php?p=9227#9227 (http://www.nuforum.de/nuforum/viewtopic.php?p=9227#9227)
Aww and he's a "star"...how cute!
@ CiTay --> back to pc stuff:
i think its a good idea if you buy to equal HDs
and run them with RAID 1 (mirroring) because
i think that a headcrash or something won't be
good for development .
than you don't have to think about backup everything etc.
@ CiTay --> back to pc stuff:
i think its a good idea if you buy to equal HDs
and run them with RAID 1 (mirroring) because
i think that a headcrash or something won't be
good for development .
than you don't have to think about backup everything etc.
Yeah, but he'll get a DVD burner to make backups with.
but that will just produce more noise for a hypothetical recovery...
(edit : about the double HD)
IMO the best for backup is a FireWire HD...
Update:
After some longer discussions with Frank, all parts were ordered and have arrived by now. Even Vertigo's donation, the Hercules Fortissimo III soundcard, is here now. I'm currently silencing the case and then i'll assemble all the parts. I'll also do some tests with different fan combinations and voltages later on, to achieve the best cooling at the lowest noise level. Finally i'll go about installing Windows XP and SuSE Linux, and configuring everything according to Frank's needs (i even have a detailed partitioning list, the guy's a perfectionist ). By the way, the PC can't be delivered to Frank before ~ March 18th (2 weeks from now), because both Christian and Frank will be away for a few days until then. I'll keep you posted about further developments.
Can you upload pictures of the hardware CiTay? I want to see all the dope gear .
Can you upload pictures of the hardware CiTay? I want to see all the dope gear .
I will put up some pictures when it's far enough that you can recognize a PC... right now, stuff is still scattered all around the room, so there's not much to see yet.
Perhaps the separate parts is what he (and probably some others) would like to see. What's there to see if you hide all the important parts inside the case?
... because both Christian and Frank will be away for a few days until then. I'll keep you posted about further developments....
I'll go skiing with my family !!!
Dont even think of stealing my snow, just so that the PC will arrive earlier at Frank, because he wont be here also during that time .....
Yes, pics please, or else I call shens
Pics coming very soon...
May i present to you, Frank Klemm's new PC!
Without thumbnails (all on one page) (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19506&)
With thumbnails (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19508&)
I did many tests on how to achieve the lowest temps and the most silent operation. The temps are fine now and the noise is so low that i can hear my monitor. Yes, there's a slight hum coming from my monitor! When my own PC is running too, i can't hear when i turn this PC off or on. I have to look for the LEDs on the front. It has a defined airflow from the front intake to the back exhaust fan, both are regulated and on low-voltage. The CPU fan also has a lowered voltage and is regulated with a safeguard temp where the fan goes to a higher speed (would only activate in a very hot summer).
I did hours of stability test and function tests. It does everything to my full satisfaction, at high speeds. I already installed Windows XP. It will be configured and then the same will be done with SuSE Linux 9.
wow.. it looks like the shizzle bomb.. Awasome job.. where did you get the black sound dampening material that lines the inner sides of the case? just curious..
and you gonna take more pics when you deliver the puter to Frank?
wow.. it looks like the shizzle bomb.. Awasome job.. where did you get the black sound dampening material that lines the inner sides of the case? just curious..
Thanks. That material is from a german webshop that specializes on low-noise PCs. There should be shops like that in other countries too.
and you gonna take more pics when you deliver the puter to Frank?
Yes there will be more pics.
You might be wondering why his PC has a CD burner, if the DVD burner can burn CDs too. Well, Frank had that burner lying around and he sent it to me. I've talked about all the hardware with Frank for many days and this is what came out of that. And yes, it has 640 GB of hard disk space.
Some more data: The PC weighs a good 25 kilograms now. There isn't any vibration or mechanical instability anymore. The silenced front door greatly reduces CD/DVD reading noise. Front LEDs are blue and red and can be seen with the door closed. The PSU continues to power the fans for 3 minutes with low voltage after the PC has been turned off. The motherboard is an ABIT IC7-G.
Ok, now I want to see some bechmarks.
And yes, it has 640 GB of hard disk space.
That's not a good way to motivate someone to work on audio compression.
Really impressive!
Good work CiTay
What is new on this front?
What is new on this front?
Christian will pick up the PC from me soon, and if all goes well, he will deliver it to Frank within the next week!
And yes, it has 640 GB of hard disk space.
That's not a good way to motivate someone to work on audio compression.
"Normal" people only need the compressed data, but a programmer of a codec need both,
uncompressed and compressed data. That even more than "lossless" people need ;-)
After seeing the PC I'd bet CiTay has a secret tickle to keep the PC for himself and disappear mysteriously.
After seeing the PC I'd bet CiTay has a secret tickle to keep the PC for himself and disappear mysteriously.
Is there someone here in forum who can distinguish between real and faked images?
After seeing the PC I'd bet CiTay has a secret tickle to keep the PC for himself and disappear mysteriously.
Is there someone here in forum who can distinguish between real and faked images?
Like, photoshopped images, or cd images? If the latter, how can you fake one? Enlighten me as to what you're talking about, please, Frank
After seeing the PC I'd bet CiTay has a secret tickle to keep the PC for himself and disappear mysteriously.
Is there someone here in forum who can distinguish between real and faked images?
Like, photoshopped images, or cd images? If the latter, how can you fake one? Enlighten me as to what you're talking about, please, Frank
Nevermind him, his humor is a little on the black side. Of course he meant the PC pics...
ChristianHJW was at my place today to pick up the new PC. He is really a nice person to talk to and quite motivated. Tomorrow he will visit Frank Klemm and deliver the PC to him, and he'll also take some pictures. I don't know how soon the pictures will be uploaded here, but Frank will definitely get his new PC tomorrow!
Citay. One last thing. Did you upgraded all devices firmware to the latest?. I am a upgrade firmware freak. Just a reminder.
Citay. One last thing. Did you upgraded all devices firmware to the latest?. I am a upgrade firmware freak. Just a reminder.
Yes, of course! Even the IDE controller has the newest firmware.
And yes, it has 640 GB of hard disk space.
640 GB ought to be enough for everyone!
and he'll also take some pictures.
Forget the PC pictures, I want to see a picture of Frank
and he'll also take some pictures.
Forget the PC pictures, I want to see a picture of Frank
That's what i meant. I think you've all seen pics of the PC by now.
I’m somewhat experienced with building PCs, and I have to say that I’ve learned some things seeing the pictures and specs of Frank’s new computer. Specifically sound dampening materials along with the silent power supply and cpu fan.
I’ve usually thought along the lines keep fans going to keep things cool, allowing some over-clocking ect. After seeing Frank’s PC, I can’t believe I’ve been listening to my computer’s fans for this long. Perhaps I’m just really behind the times or something, or just not paying attention to the technology.
Anyways, I advise anyone who is going to build a new PC soon to search a bit on the internet for building a silent PC. There are sites that sell sound dampening materials, silent power supplies ect.
Again, nice job CiTay… in many ways I think my next pc build will mirror your’s for Frank. Although I probably won’t be building it for another few years…
Mmm, where are the pics of this PC ???
Mmm, where are the pics of this PC ???
Pics:
Thumbnails (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19508&)
Without Thumbnails (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19506&)
I am now about 60 km from Frank's hometown, sitting in a hotel with WLAN access, checking company emails. After another customer meeting this afternoon ( first one this morning was splendid, i should come here more often ) i will meet Frank in his appartment and hand over the PC to him.
CiTay made a great job with it, i had problems to hear if it's actually running yesterday when we did the last kernel upgrade downloads together. What a ride from CiTay's hometown ( West Germany ) to this place here ( East Germany ), about 400 km in 3 hours ..... LOL ..... i arrived 0.45 AM here in the hotel, just enough time for a beer before going to bed, and dead tired .....
about 400 km in 3 hours ..... LOL .....
Driving in Germany is something everyone should experience
and he'll also take some pictures.
Forget the PC pictures, I want to see a picture of Frank
Have you tried google image search ?
Christian just called me, Frank has his computer! More later.
Whoohoo! Mission complete!
Have you tried google image search ?
I have now. Is this Frank?
http://www.drmh.de/drmh2/img_0979.jpg (http://www.drmh.de/drmh2/img_0979.jpg)
Christian just called me, Frank has his computer! More later.
(http://www.jensrex.net/img/burns.jpg)
Excellent.
I strongly believe he's Frank.
Besides, have you seen all the equipement in the other photos?
Now I know how musepack was tested
Here the pics from Frank and his new PC.
The fat guy with the beard on 3 of the pics, thats me, you guessed it .....
http://matroska.free.fr/team/Frank/ (http://matroska.free.fr/team/Frank/)
I have plans to make a dedicated website for this discribing the idea behind the donation and to make some comments on each of the fotos ..... lets see if i find the time to do that
I dont know if Frank has plans to post again here about his new, wonderful PC, he is not a man of many words i think, so you better dont wait for it ....
Rest assured, his new baby made his eyes shine, like only a tech-freak's eyes can shine when looking at a PC .... LOL !!
A big 'thank you' again to anybody who donated and helped us to make this possible. The biggest thanks of all, no doubt, goes to CiTay, who must have invested endless hours into this project and finally created an 'artwork' of a PC, and to Dibrom and JohnV who allowed us to use this wonderful board to get this project going.
Now lets hope the PC does what we all hope, i.e. help motivating Frank to continue working on MPC ......
I realy would have missed the handshake-picture
(http://matroska.free.fr/team/Frank/PICT0961.JPG)
by the way, what's written on the nice urkunde?
Nice pics. Hope Frank will enjoy the new baby.
Thanks CiTay for all the works you've done for the PC and donation process. It does really look like you've put a lot of hard work to make this happen. And Chris, thanks for bringing in the idea to payback something to Frank from the MPC fan club.
by the way, what's written on the nice urkunde?
It's in german:
In Anerkennung seiner Arbeit für den Audio-Codec "MPC / Musepack" freut sich die Hydrogenaudio.org Community, Herrn Frank Klemm, Jena, einen neuen, leistungsfähigen PC überreichen zu dürfen. Das Gerät ist als Geschenk gedacht und soll zeigen, wie sehr wir seine inspirierende und wegweisende Arbeit für die moderne Audiokompression wertschätzen. Wir hoffen zudem, dass der PC Motivation für ihn sein wird, seine Arbeit fortzusetzen.
Für die Hydrogenaudio.org Community (signiert).
Translated:
In recognition of his work for the audio codec "MPC / Musepack", the Hydrogenaudio.org community is glad to hand over a new, capable PC to Mr. Frank Klemm, Jena. The computer is meant to be a present and should show how much we appreciate his inspiring and seminal work for modern audio compression. We also hope that the PC will be motivation for him to continue his work.
For the Hydrogenaudio.org community, (signed by me and ChrisHJW).
I'm glad that this was such a success. I really did my best to build this PC. I'm grateful for everyone who donated and made this possible, and thanks for the trust you put in us, i don't take it for granted. I think we really achieved something.
Congratulations!
The fat guy with the beard on 3 of the pics, thats me, you guessed it .....
BTW, who was the mysterious picture-taker of those three photos? Mr. Timer and Ms. Tripod or a third human being?
BTW, who was the mysterious picture-taker of those three photos? Mr. Timer and Ms. Tripod or a third human being?
Mr. Timer and Ms. Sideboard to be honest .....
You know what they say.. about a picture is worth a 1000 words..
Now that I see Frank, I can understand more about the whole concept, he seems to be a very low profile character, shy, who needs to be 'pushed' to be awaken..
One last comment.
Is the monitor refresh rate correct or way too low? or you simply need to adjust the picture frame & geometry.
I'm so glad that this kind of thing can happen
Really, I've never heard a story like that on the net, and it's great that it happens here and for MPC (from 2 persons at the origin of Matroska).
edit: and of course thanks to Citay and Christian that could make this possible.
Just want to add my thanks and congrats to all involved.
Nice yellow walls by the way! (I'm not taking the p***).....
Where is CiTay's pic? I want to see CiTay!!!
Where is CiTay's pic? I want to see CiTay!!!
Me too
Sorry, no pic of me this time... i'm staying incognito like
The biggest thanks of all, no doubt, goes to CiTay, who must have invested endless hours into this project and finally created an 'artwork' of a PC
Yes, two thumbs up for CiTay. You did a great job.
Last posts split to thread: After the PC donation... (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=20172&)