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Reply #725 –
Quote from: dedheddad on
Is there a way to get this to work on an ipod (video 5g) running Rockbox?


just put your folders on your rockbox(ipods) hard drive (drag & drop or send to) then use dop to add them to the library. that way you have a rockbox library & a ipod library. so u can switch between both

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Reply #726 –
i use foo_dop for managing the music on my ipod (5G)

but i also still use iTunes for videos.

my question: every time use foo_dop to add music w/ album art, and then after i use iTunes to add videos, when i play music i added with foo_dop, the album art goes completely black. is there some kind of problem using foo_dop and iTunes?

I usually just going back into iTunes and erase the art on the ipod that was black, and then proceed to embed the art on the ipod. This works but is very tedious, and i'd like to be able to just add my music and listen     

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Reply #727 –
Quote from: alphaex32 on
I'd really like a mapping for ratings. I use a 1-10 scale in foobar, so itd be nice if I could convert this before sending it to the ipod.
It has been requested before. But noted.

Quote from: Harun on
i use foo_dop for managing the music on my ipod (5G)

but i also still use iTunes for videos.

my question: every time use foo_dop to add music w/ album art, and then after i use iTunes to add videos, when i play music i added with foo_dop, the album art goes completely black. is there some kind of problem using foo_dop and iTunes?

I usually just going back into iTunes and erase the art on the ipod that was black, and then proceed to embed the art on the ipod. This works but is very tedious, and i'd like to be able to just add my music and listen     
Basically, once you use it to make a change to your iPod, iTunes will go and reread all of the metadata and that seems to include artwork to some extent. I have seen it remove the artwork, but not set it to black. I'll check that, but any reason you don't use foo_dop to send video?

BTW foo_dop 0.5.2 TEST released. Not important yet, but for future reference you can flush the recent play counts from the iPod manually using the 'Rewrite iPod database' command.
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Reply #728 –
Quote from: musicmusic on
BTW foo_dop 0.5.2 TEST released. Not important yet, but for future reference you can flush the recent play counts from the iPod manually using the 'Rewrite iPod database' command.


One thing: under the 'Database' part of the preferences page, the text at the bottom reads: "Database settings a rewrite of...".
Shouldn't it be: "Database settings require a rewrite of..."?
"Lifting Shadows Off a Dream"

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Reply #729 –
I see you have completed the API you had mentioned. Congrats, certainly made me a happy bunny scrobbling my iPod, thanks.

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Reply #730 –
Quote from: Hengest on
One thing: under the 'Database' part of the preferences page, the text at the bottom reads: "Database settings a rewrite of...".
Shouldn't it be: "Database settings require a rewrite of..."?
Ooops  I'll change it for next release.

Quote from: TREX6662k6 on
I see you have completed the API you had mentioned. Congrats, certainly made me a happy bunny scrobbling my iPod, thanks.
Yes  Special thanks to Florian for implementing support for it in foo_audioscrobbler and his helpfulness in testing the API

Just a few notes:
-Make sure you are using foo_dop 0.5.3 or newer.
-The recent plays will be scrobbled when foo_dop flushes the recent plays from the iPod. This happens whenever foo_dop makes a change to the iPod (you can do it manually via the 'Rewrite iPod database' command). So if you let another application modify your iPod it will probably flush the recent plays itself and so they won't be scrobbled by foo_audioscrobbler (so flush them via foo_dop first).
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Reply #731 –
I just started using the synchronize feature and Im a little confused about how it works. I have an ipod playlist which I keep filled with anything I want on the ipod, and this is what I use to sync. First, I synced that playlist with my ipod. Then I added a few files to the playlist, and resynced. Instead of simply adding the new files, dop seemed to delete all of the existing songs on the ipod and then re-add everything. Shouldnt it detect the songs that already exist and just update changed tags and add anything new? Also, if I choose the "send to ipod" option, does it detect if the selected file(s) already exist and skip any that are there, or does it simply add them without checking?

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Reply #732 –
I couldn't find the changelog of the 0.5.3 TEST release.
Do we already have the filling of a non-quadratic album art with transparent pixels?

Best regards,
qwerty85

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Reply #733 –
Quote from: alphaex32 on
I just started using the synchronize feature and Im a little confused about how it works. I have an ipod playlist which I keep filled with anything I want on the ipod, and this is what I use to sync. First, I synced that playlist with my ipod. Then I added a few files to the playlist, and resynced. Instead of simply adding the new files, dop seemed to delete all of the existing songs on the ipod and then re-add everything. Shouldnt it detect the songs that already exist and just update changed tags and add anything new?
If they were removed and recopied from the iPod they must have been modified at some point.

Quote from: alphaex32 on
Also, if I choose the "send to ipod" option, does it detect if the selected file(s) already exist and skip any that are there, or does it simply add them without checking?
Latter.

Quote from: qwerty85 on
I couldn't find the changelog of the 0.5.3 TEST release.
Do we already have the filling of a non-quadratic album art with transparent pixels?

Sorry, it was just some API fixes. No, I haven't made any changes yet. But I checked my code, it should be preserving the AR/centering already. It seems there was a bug which would cause some black bars though when displayed on the iPod. That should be corrected for the next build. Though, the fix for that made my Classic crop the image, but that is probably due to the funky way it displays them, I don't think other models will do that.
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Reply #734 –
Quote from: musicmusic on
Quote from: alphaex32 on

I just started using the synchronize feature and Im a little confused about how it works. I have an ipod playlist which I keep filled with anything I want on the ipod, and this is what I use to sync. First, I synced that playlist with my ipod. Then I added a few files to the playlist, and resynced. Instead of simply adding the new files, dop seemed to delete all of the existing songs on the ipod and then re-add everything. Shouldn't it detect the songs that already exist and just update changed tags and add anything new?
If they were removed and recopied from the iPod they must have been modified at some point.

Quote from: alphaex32 on
Also, if I choose the "send to ipod" option, does it detect if the selected file(s) already exist and skip any that are there, or does it simply add them without checking?
Latter.
Regarding the first answer, no, none of the files were changed except for a few new files. I'll try syncing them again and see if it does the same thing, but I can't think of anything that could have modified every single one of those files.

As for the second answer, would it be possible to make a "Send to ipod if modified" which would check before sending each song to the ipod?

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Reply #735 –
Quote from: alphaex32 on
Regarding the first answer, no, none of the files were changed except for a few new files. I'll try syncing them again and see if it does the same thing, but I can't think of anything that could have modified every single one of those files.
Do you write play counts to the files? Anyway, you can check the the last modified times of the files in question.

Quote from: alphaex32 on
As for the second answer, would it be possible to make a "Send to ipod if modified" which would check before sending each song to the ipod?
I will probably just add better duplicate handling to the existing command at some point.
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Reply #736 –
Hello,

sorry for being so annoying, but do you mean to publish a new release (with the fixed album art function) still in 2007?

Best regards,
qwerty85

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Reply #737 –
I'm a new user of foo_dop and I really enjoy using it!

However, I think the process of sending files to the iPod can be improved. Currently, the progress bar that is shown while sending files to the iPod gives no indication about the current state of the operation. Since it is very hard to predict any ETA (especially when files are converted during copying) it would be nice to see at least some status information on the console that gives some indication to the user.

Thanks musicmusic for this nice and useful component!

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Reply #738 –
First, want to say thanks a lot for the DB and for getting the foo_audioscrobbler author to support it.  Had been using a third party program for that when I remembered to, having it done automatically now whenever I transfer songs makes it much better.  Much appreciate it and all the other work you've put into this plugin.

Now, a couple questions:
Currently there's no support for doing replaygain when autoconverting files.  Is this something you have planned at all?  Currently I'm converting manually and replaygain scanning before sending to iPod, but it would be great if it could be fixed to do it for me.

Second, there's an issue that's been bugging me for a while with smart playlists and the "load library and playlists" menu option.  I use a lot of smart playlists that are based off time - "50 most played songs in the last 1 month", "50 most played songs in the last 3 months", "songs played in the last 7 days", etc.  When I load the playlists in foobar they seem to be a cached version.  Judging from the contents I think it's from the last time I actually used iTunes to send something to my iPod.  When using the playlists on my iPod they all work correctly, but in foobar they just seem to be some old cached copy instead of being calculated.  Is there something I'm doing wrong, is it a bug, or is it just not supported?

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Reply #739 –
Quote from: qwerty85 on
Hello,

sorry for being so annoying, but do you mean to publish a new release (with the fixed album art function) still in 2007?

Best regards,
qwerty85
Probably.
Quote from: Florian on
I'm a new user of foo_dop and I really enjoy using it!

However, I think the process of sending files to the iPod can be improved. Currently, the progress bar that is shown while sending files to the iPod gives no indication about the current state of the operation. Since it is very hard to predict any ETA (especially when files are converted during copying) it would be nice to see at least some status information on the console that gives some indication to the user.
Hi!

I could change it so e.g. the copying files step is displayed as 'Copying files (i of n processed) ...'. I would like to keep information useful rather than to give useless/irrelevant details. What I dislike about '(i of n processed)' on each subtask is that it isn't actually that useful for measuring overall progress, as it would start again on the next sub task. The progress meter does move for each file copied, so that should in theory give a good impression of the length of the operation (but see below).

It would be too much info in console if a message was added for each file copied.

Basically, I think I will
-Weight the subtasks properly in the progress meter. Each group of subtasks currently has the same space allocated which is wrong/misleading etc.
-Either change the statuses to be in this format: 'Copying n files...' or put that info in the console.

Of course, a estimated remaining time would be great but yes it's difficult to implement properly. I'll possibly come back to that later.

Quote from: Florian on
Thanks musicmusic for this nice and useful component!

Welcome
Quote from: djkc on
Much appreciate it and all the other work you've put into this plugin.
Welcome

Quote from: djkc on
Now, a couple questions:
Currently there's no support for doing replaygain when autoconverting files.  Is this something you have planned at all?  Currently I'm converting manually and replaygain scanning before sending to iPod, but it would be great if it could be fixed to do it for me.
I also want that feature, however the problem is the lack of any proper replaygain API. I can essentially run the menu command on my side to do the scan, but that will possibly trigger popup dialogs (as well as secondary progress dialogs though there are already a few of those) and some other inefficiencies. The main issue is those user prompts that may appear though.

The good news is that if you let foo_dop convert the files itself, and manually replaygain scan the copies on your iPod those files will not be recopied on next sync (unless the local copy was modified). You can use the 'Update metadata in ipod library' command to update the soundcheck values in the database after the manual replaygain scan. (Of course if you're regularly sending files that need to be converted it's a bit tedious)

Quote from: djkc on
Second, there's an issue that's been bugging me for a while with smart playlists and the "load library and playlists" menu option.  I use a lot of smart playlists that are based off time - "50 most played songs in the last 1 month", "50 most played songs in the last 3 months", "songs played in the last 7 days", etc.  When I load the playlists in foobar they seem to be a cached version.  Judging from the contents I think it's from the last time I actually used iTunes to send something to my iPod.  When using the playlists on my iPod they all work correctly, but in foobar they just seem to be some old cached copy instead of being calculated.  Is there something I'm doing wrong, is it a bug, or is it just not supported?
It's a bit of a quirk. Basically, for 'Live-updating' smart playlist the iPod dynamically generates content for the playlist (which you only see on your iPod). The smart playlists also have associated 'static' items which I guess are only of use (on the ipod itself) with 'Live-updating' disabled. iTunes updates those static entries whenever you use it (by basically applying the smart playlist rules to the ipod library) but foo_dop does not (I think you can imagine writing handlers to apply all of those specific rules would be pretty complicated)
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Reply #740 –
Quote from: qwerty85 on
Hello,

sorry for being so annoying, but do you mean to publish a new release (with the fixed album art function) still in 2007?

Best regards,
qwerty85

OK, it's complicated but I'm not sure I actually fixed anything.

It would be helpful if you could tell me:
-What iPod model you currently have
-What behaviour you are currently seeing
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Reply #741 –
I'm just started to use foo_dop yesterday and even tried to sync my 5xx albums into my iPod. Everything works fine except the album artwork. I'm sure that I had embedded the artwork into my MP3 directly but still, the plugin doesn't seem to copy the artwork into the ipod artwork database though. Only 3 out of 5xx of my synchronized album displayed the artwork.

Any updates?

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Reply #742 –
Quote from: D.Sync on
I'm just started to use foo_dop yesterday and even tried to sync my 5xx albums into my iPod. Everything works fine except the album artwork. I'm sure that I had embedded the artwork into my MP3 directly but still, the plugin doesn't seem to copy the artwork into the ipod artwork database though. Only 3 out of 5xx of my synchronized album displayed the artwork.

Any updates?


AFAIK, the component doesn't add embedded artwork - only a "folder.jpg" stored in the same folder as the songs from the album.
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Reply #743 –
Quote from: Hengest on
AFAIK, the component doesn't add embedded artwork - only a "folder.jpg" stored in the same folder as the songs from the album.

Exactly. You can use a user-defined action in MP3Tag to extract all embedded artwork to folder.jpg files, for example.
np: 4'33"

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Reply #744 –
Quote from: musicmusic on
OK, it's complicated but I'm not sure I actually fixed anything.

It would be helpful if you could tell me:
-What iPod model you currently have
-What behaviour you are currently seeing
I own an iPod of the fifth generation (30gb). With album arts that are quadratic there's no problem. With album arts that aren't quadratic (for example 160x158 pixels) there's a problem: The two missing pixels (to fill up the image to a quadrat) are black/dark. With album arts that have a resolution of 160x135 pixels (for example the cover of a single) there's no problem at all.

Best regards,
qwerty85
 

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Reply #745 –
Thanks for the reply. Btw, will this plugin caused any PERMANENT DAMAGE to my iPod Classic 6G? Just curious and wonder should I just use iTunes or foobar2k.

The fact is, after I had added my music (1xxxx) songs to iTunes library, iTunes automatically fill in the 'Comment' tab with numbers, eg: 1000dx0c030..... My thought will be, that number indicates iTunes normalize volume details? It's kinda weird as it totally mess up my Comment idTag.

Besides, I had issues after I had added those songs to iTunes. It delete the cover art embedded inside the mp3 files. Whenever I click a particular album, it only shows a BLANK WHITE image instead of the cover art itself. Foobar2k wouldn't have such issues, would it? 

Not only that, iTunes aren't able to read the track title correctly. Eg: A song had tagged with title 'A Dreadful Night'. When displayed in foobar2k, the title column just displayed the title, which is 'A Dreadful Night'. However, when displayed in iTunes, it showed up as 'Album name - Artist name - A Dreadful Night'. After I click and play the song, then only the title changed back to 'A Dreadful Night' (notice that the album-artist name had gone)

In my opinion, I didn't think iTunes had improved much, especially it's music library. Hopefully my choice to use foobar2k + foo_dop will be a wise choice. Just crossing my finger for foo_dop next updates. (stable update  )

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Reply #746 –
Two questions from new foo_dop user (not that new user of foobar itself):
  • Are there any plans to use foo_converter to convert files instead of own implementation? Own implementation looks pretty bare - e.g. no support for presets and simultaneous encoding. And rather then re-invent wheel, isn't it better to use existing piece of code? That's a good dream of code reusability.
  • Is there any existing nice-looking foobar preset with foo_dop? I want to upload one on my iPod nano to be able work with it on machines that do not have iTunes/foobar2000 installed. That is smth. like a "portable foodop". By nice-looking I mean user-friendliness in the first place - like all foo_dop commands put as buttons on UI to be accessible in one cllick, etc.

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Reply #747 –
first of all: thanks for this great plugin  it works very well on my ipod classic

but i have two little problems: i have synched my ipod with my media library and i have now added covers to some albums that didn't have one and i have also downloaded some better covers for albums that already had one.
is there a way to automatically update the new and changed covers or do i have to manually delete and send those albums again?

and the other problem: i have sent two videos from two different folders with each different folder.jpgs as thumbs to the ipod, but when i browse them on my ipod they both have the same thumbnail.

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Reply #748 –
Quote from: D.Sync on
Thanks for the reply. Btw, will this plugin caused any PERMANENT DAMAGE to my iPod Classic 6G? Just curious and wonder should I just use iTunes or foobar2k.
Directly - it's not really possible. I have not seen any issues but worst case is using disk mode on your iPod and restoring it.

Quote from: D.Sync on
The fact is, after I had added my music (1xxxx) songs to iTunes library, iTunes automatically fill in the 'Comment' tab with numbers, eg: 1000dx0c030..... My thought will be, that number indicates iTunes normalize volume details? It's kinda weird as it totally mess up my Comment idTag.
It uses one for SoundCheck data and one for gapless data as far as I know, but I think the latter will only turn up in iTunes encoded files.

Quote from: D.Sync on
Besides, I had issues after I had added those songs to iTunes. It delete the cover art embedded inside the mp3 files. Whenever I click a particular album, it only shows a BLANK WHITE image instead of the cover art itself. Foobar2k wouldn't have such issues, would it? 
Sounds like id3 mess. I think foobar preserves album art these days but I'm not sure.

Quote from: D.Sync on
Not only that, iTunes aren't able to read the track title correctly. Eg: A song had tagged with title 'A Dreadful Night'. When displayed in foobar2k, the title column just displayed the title, which is 'A Dreadful Night'. However, when displayed in iTunes, it showed up as 'Album name - Artist name - A Dreadful Night'. After I click and play the song, then only the title changed back to 'A Dreadful Night' (notice that the album-artist name had gone)
Possibly multiple tags with different values in the file, or maybe that was the filename ?

Quote from: D.Sync on
In my opinion, I didn't think iTunes had improved much, especially it's music library. Hopefully my choice to use foobar2k + foo_dop will be a wise choice.
Well if it is not you can always switch back to iTunes...

Quote from: D.Sync on
Just crossing my finger for foo_dop next updates. (stable update  )
What are you looking for in the updates ?

Quote from: ipse on
Are there any plans to use foo_converter to convert files instead of own implementation? Own implementation looks pretty bare - e.g. no support for presets and simultaneous encoding. And rather then re-invent wheel, isn't it better to use existing piece of code? That's a good dream of code reusability.
Well, it's not possible because there is no API for foo_converter. (Even if there was, I don't see any APIs in foobar2000 SDK with custom progress hooks so say hello to double progress dialogs) Converting multiple files simultaneously is not exactly related to this either.

Quote from: ipse on
Is there any existing nice-looking foobar preset with foo_dop? I want to upload one on my iPod nano to be able work with it on machines that do not have iTunes/foobar2000 installed. That is smth. like a "portable foodop". By nice-looking I mean user-friendliness in the first place - like all foo_dop commands put as buttons on UI to be accessible in one cllick, etc.
I don't know of any, sorry.

Quote from: radecke on
is there a way to automatically update the new and changed covers or do i have to manually delete and send those albums again?
You can add new covers by using the 'update metadata in iPod library' command on files listed by 'load library' but it's not possible to update covers already added currently.

Quote from: radecke on
and the other problem: i have sent two videos from two different folders with each different folder.jpgs as thumbs to the ipod, but when i browse them on my ipod they both have the same thumbnail.
It's related to sparse artwork on the new iPods, my handling of that falls over due to lack of metadata I guess, I'll fix that. Thanks for reporting.
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Reply #749 –
Quote from: musicmusic on
Quote from: radecke on
is there a way to automatically update the new and changed covers or do i have to manually delete and send those albums again?
You can add new covers by using the 'update metadata in iPod library' command on files listed by 'load library' but it's not possible to update covers already added currently.

Quote from: radecke on
and the other problem: i have sent two videos from two different folders with each different folder.jpgs as thumbs to the ipod, but when i browse them on my ipod they both have the same thumbnail.
It's related to sparse artwork on the new iPods, my handling of that falls over due to lack of metadata I guess, I'll fix that. Thanks for reporting.

thanks for your reply. concerning the updated covers: will future versions be able the identify updated albumart and replace it? it's not really urgent, but it would be nice