Hi Dibrom!
This is off topic, but since youre around here much i
figured this was a good place to try and contact you..
Can you tell me the exact name of that corticosteroid,
BC-A over at r3mix-forums talked about when hearing loss occurs
(LINK: http://www.audiofora.com/yabbse/index.php?...;threadid=3397) (http://www.audiofora.com/yabbse/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=3397))?
I was told from forum members overhere at hydrogen that
you knew about it and also talked about it awhile ago.
Its been well over 2 months since i had a damaging ear-
incident with my headphones (ouch & aaaaaaargh!) and couldnt
do anything practically about it (did'nt know what to do),
since the doctors wont give me any kind of support
unless i have 60-70% hearing loss they said!
What would mean i'd be needing hearing aids and everything
would be waaay too late for me by then anyways,
music is very important to me and the last two months
i had to do without, can you imagine ?
i dont ask you to, anyway
i need some kind of suport,
NVI: My TNE appointment i made 1.5 months ago is not until mid
febraury only,
and they could only give me a hearing test.
If any damage has occured they can do nothing about it
except for telling me what to do to prevent further loss
they told me. I could've figured that out myself!
Why didnt i just severely broke my right leg
or something, that would've certainly healed !
mus ic will never be the ...... (sob sob sob..)
Hey...
look at the bright side. Now you can download 128k cbr Xing rips all you want and not notice any difference.
More music choices!
that's not very funny at all xterm....
i hope some people here can give you good answers about this morelli. untill then, google is always your friend ...
be well.
Hi.
not funny at all was my first reaction too SK1,
google doesnt give me much feedback.
searching is a real B...,
certainly because its somthing medical.
theres a flood of info, nothing about corticoids
that are in medicine for ear-use.
to everyone who cares,
if your ears are prcious to you,
USE THOSE HEADPHONES WITH CARE!!
AND BE CAREFULL WITH AUDIO EDITORS
THAT PLAY FILES THAT DO NOT CONTAIN
AUDIO (IT HURTS!) !!
MEDLINE is a medical scientific database. Google for "medline" and do a search there.
If you do READ the mentioned forum, you will encouter a part that says something about people with damaged hearing being more sensitive to certain artifacts/frequencies than others. Seems their pychoacoustic curve is changed, and sometimes it may be compensated with flat eq calibration. Unfortunately it goes against lossy encoder common tricks, which are based in psychoacoustic models based from an average person hearing.
What was the name of that curve? I always forget...
Hi there Morelli
sorry about your Problem, since thiz sylvester (New Year 2003) a friend of me shoot a gun over my head and now i have a light tinitus in my ears, i know how it is, but with 60 - 70 percent of loss hearing .... ouu ):
how is your tinitus ? have you one ? or is it so, that you hear the whole things quieter without the beeing of a tinitus in your ears ?
dont misunderstand my questions but i have to know, what i do to my ears if i go often to Discotheks. ( i go only in there with small ear-muffs, but anyway)
to your Questions: I have links for ear problems and a link where you can test (webbased) your hearing for yourself.
(i have read at a medicine site (i dont know where, a lot time is passed) that corticosteroid can favour the loss in hearing or it can help to heal.
depends on the person. so a 50/50% chance is there)
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginf...pdi/202017.html (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/202017.html) = a description of corticosteroid (its about ear infections an more)
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/) = i think there might be add. info on that corticosteroid.
http://www.earinfosite.org/ (http://www.earinfosite.org/) = i think there might be add. info on that corticosteroid.
http://www.lhh.org/ (http://www.lhh.org/) = i think there might be add. info on that corticosteroid.
http://www.tinnituspage.org/ (http://www.tinnituspage.org/) = Something about Vitamin A = a alternative of corticosteroid i think
http://www.digital-recordings.com/hearing-.../ht_help_p.html (http://www.digital-recordings.com/hearing-test/www-ht-pro/ht_help_p.html) = The hearing test (requires Java runtime)
i hope the links will help a little
Here are my results (but i think my equipment is not good enought for this test so i dont know)
http://mcmdrabek.bei.t-online.de/Hoertest.jpg (http://mcmdrabek.bei.t-online.de/Hoertest.jpg)
as you can see my right ear is worse than the left and thats horrible for me bcause i can hear the diference everywhere.
I feel with you, wish you the best and hope you ears will be better soon
This is a copy from the other `hearing loss' thread. I'm afraid to tell you that once your ear is damaged, it's permanent. The condition symptoms are (in this case) a constant `ringing' in the ear (especially at night and first thing in morning) and an `over sensitive' response to high frequency causing discomfort.
Example: that 16kHz from the television set `high voltage' horizontal deflection circuit will become apparent and bother you. If the condition is acute (like it just happened) your hearing could have a temporary `threshold shift' (like putting in an attenuator) as well.
Content from prior post:
The condition which musicians get from over-exposure is called Tinnitus (or tin ear):
Main Entry: tin·ni·tus
Etymology: Latin, ringing, tinnitus, from tinnire to ring, of imitative origin
Date: 1843
: a sensation of noise (as a ringing or roaring) that is caused by a bodily condition (as a disturbance of the auditory nerve or wax in the ear) and can usually be heard only by the one affected.
A Copy ???
i wrote it before three minutes
Xterm, the posting rules don't allow me to fully express what I think of you and your post.
Xterm, the posting rules don't allow me to fully express what I think of you and your post.
xterm is now out because of continuous trolling which continued despite of warnings.
Xterm,
mod.rcmix active(delete_offending_content);
May you be gnawed on by teh squirrels! Evil is you!
Kind Regards,
Ruairi
Hey why someone edited my post ?
"Here are my results (but i think my equipment is not good enought for this test so i dont know)"
!!Here was my Picture!!
is showing pictures not allowed here ?
Hey why someone edited my post ?
"Here are my results (but i think my equipment is not good enought for this test so i dont know)"
!!Here was my Picture!!
is showing pictures not allowed here ?
I don't know who edited your post but yes: we do not like large pictures. A link should be used instead. Some people are still using dial-up.
Tarx,
It wasnt me! - but feel free to link to your image, but please dont embed it!
Ruairi
It was me. I just changed <IMG> to <URL>. It goes without saying that large images should only be linked to.
ah ok good to know
i was just wondering about it.
Hi.
thanks for the extensive info and good links TarX!
i will start reading it all tomorrow..
and the rest too!
thanks alot !
scratch
meow
Hi, as I have already started, I am a medical doctor (altough not an ear specialist), I have asked my ear specialist buddies and they have come up with this:
The corticosteroid most used for acoustic trauma (damage to the ears due to loud sounds) is prednisone, 80 mg/day for ten days. More serious cases would need customized doses and SHOULD see an specialist.
Hope this is of any help.
I forgot to mention...
Corticosteroids of any kind should not be used for long periods of time without expert advise and should not be stopped abruptly (there is a weaning period of decreasing doses).
In any case, the assistance of a health care professional is advised.
Please correct me if this never happens, but anyways... my friend - who i also trained as a soundguy he helped run a 108,000+ watt foh position - and he had his hearing "damaged" by a stupid gun close ot the head type of thing, totaly stupid to happen but hey sometimes people are (cough) drunkass crazy and stuff just goes off, whatcha going to do...
mabey it's a wax backup like what happened with ryan. he went to the doctor and had one of those wax removal candles done on each ear, and instantly it was night and day for his, pretty cool. stinking gross tho, fricken amazing amount of wax comes out of there man... i saw it on learning channel too once :x
worth asking your doc about B)
Hi, as I have already started, I am a medical doctor (altough not an ear specialist), I have asked my ear specialist buddies and they have come up with this:
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i'm also a doctor, since i agree with the fact the one must go to ear specialist giving corticosteroides doses for people to use is not right since you should notice the corticosteroids are given in various way that depends on the pathologies and can not be generalized to everyone
so you must see a specialist of the ear that can fisrt diagnose the ear loss (frequencies) and the intensity of the disease , therefore a treatment can be given according to the tests that are made
old aged patients have sometimes secretions that blocks the sound to rich the inner ear
so: a good advice is to see a specialist of the ear
i know this is off topic, but since your a doctor im wondering - what did you think of bush's address (if you watched it) when he talked about healthcare?? just talk or do you think he and congress will actually umm... do something??
l'enfer est pavé de bonnes intentions
in my country doctor is synonym of a wise person
my advice is still the same
I'm afraid to tell you that once your ear is damaged, it's permanent. The condition symptoms are (in this case) a constant `ringing' in the ear (especially at night and first thing in morning) and an `over sensitive' response to high frequency causing discomfort.
I can confirm this because i have it. Can't describe its level. But in my opinion, its not so that you have it worse at night or wake, it just seems that this permanent "noise" (very high pitch in my case, its like a 14khz or something) gets masked easily (in my case) with outside noise. When everything "outside" is silent, the noise becomes very apparent. I can't also stand certain high pitched noises, in my case not from TV or monitor (maybe im just used to) but example, a gas kitchen set in a very low, almost closed position emits this high pitch noise i can't stand. I also hear it in some diesel bus i use from public transport (near the engine, at the back) it really drives me nuts
How it happened to me? Some guessing: First when i was more young my parents used to take me "too much, and too many times" to parties with very loud speakers. Also when i was like 15 or something a firecracker (inside a plastic tube that blew as well opening my hand) exploded from my closed hand, it made me really deaf for like 15 mins (couldn't hear my own voice, not even yelling) and the "ringing" was so strong it made my head hurt so much and i didn't notice for like 2 mins that the hand where i had the cracker got hurt a little with some little bleeds and all...
My memory tells me this kind of noise in my head used to go away after sleeping from a long party, but from some years since, the noise didn't go anymore and its with me, always. I don't think its so loud tho, its easily masked with any subtle noise. I guess my condition could be much worse, and i don't know what others are experiencing. Never gone to any doctor to check it.
Does anyone have a link to what is considered "normal" hearing for a given age? Most of what I find on Google relates to serious hearing loss (as in high frequency threshold <10kHz).
I'm 26, and above 16kHz my hearing is unreliable, but I've read in a few places (including here, I think) that the practical threshold of adult human hearing is around 16kHz anyway. I certainly don't feel like I have a hearing problem, but I'd like to know if I've got the beginnings of a problem so that I can do something before it's too late.
I agree with Artemis3. I have a touch of tinitus as well. I think it's alway there, but I only notice it when it's really quiet, i.e. the middle of the night and the PC in the next room is off. I guess I'm lucky. I've never had any pain or discomfort with it.
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i'm also a doctor, since i agree with the fact the one must go to ear specialist giving corticosteroides doses for people to use is not right since you should notice the corticosteroids are given in various way that depends on the pathologies and can not be generalized to everyone
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I would be the last person to give irresponsible advise. Notice the date of the thread start and the date I posted. I really want to help this guy, but you know, if you are a doctor you´ve heard the saying: "prima non nocere" (first of all, do not harm). I believe in this so I really researched this, asking for side effects and such. As I said, I´m no ear specialist (if you must know, I am an orthopedic doctor - I fix broken bones and joints - so I know my way with steroids). But my friends came up with this, which is, if I may, a "safe" dose: it is not that low, but it is for a brief period of time. You know that sometimes it is best to do a little at first than a lot too late. Anyway, I DID state that the guy should still see a real otorrinolaringologist (or whatever they call them in his country), as should anyone with a hearing problem. Anyone can do anything they please, the guy just sounded like he was in a real trouble (did you read what he posted about the appointments in his country?) and I felt like he would do better dealing with a real doctor (even if it is on an audio compression forum ) than just reading articles on Medline and drawing his own conclussions.
If you must know, I PM´d him so he could talk to me further.
Greetings, colleague
i know this is off topic, but since your a doctor im wondering - what did you think of bush's address (if you watched it) when he talked about healthcare?? just talk or do you think he and congress will actually umm... do something??
Even though I live in Mexico and, as you know, it is one of the closest countries in the world to the US (not geographically, I mean) I still haven´t heard a thing about it. You know, in here, we get mostly new about his war-mongering.
I am reading the review of his speech on another site and I´ll get back to you.
As Artemis3 and Scottc, I've got a permanent tinnitus that I can notice in quiet places. I've got it from the age of 4 at least. It must come from the otitis I've got when I was 3. I can hear up to 16 kHz (barely). The tinnitus doesn't annoy me at all. Since I've caried it all my life, I can't even imagine what it would be without it. For me silence=ringing
I was not hurt by high pitched noises. I came several times in clubs where the sound could be up to 120 db on the dance floor, what increased the tinnitus very much for several days after it (and reduced the hearing to about 14-15 db, I would say).
But one time was too much. I went into a club where the music was nowhere below 110 db (so I couldn't rest my hearing for all the night), and with loud basses. Once out, in addition to a very noticeable loss in treble (like if I had turned down the treble control of an ampli) and a strong tinnitus that sounded like a cluster of ringing tones from 2000 to 20000 Hz, I realized that I had become sensitive to very low frequencies (20- 30 Hz). I stopped listening with headphones, and the symptoms began to decrease after one week.
It took several weeks (monthes ?) for me to be able to hear a 16 kHz tone again. Since then, I dislike high pitched sounds, and I can't stand headphones or speakers with too much of the 4000-8000 Hz range.
Maybe it's psychological, because these sounds don't hurt me at all. I just don't like them. Maybe I'm just fed up of my previous headphones : Sony MDR-1 from the age of 7 to the age of 12, Sony MDR-32 from 12 to 15, Superex pro-B VI from 15 to 24, AKG K-400 from 24 to 27, and Senheiser HD-600 now.
As the ones who know these heaphones can see, I was used to listen only to treble . Only with the AKG I began to get a little more bass.
So listening to these headphones for years, sometimes loud, that play mostly treble, can have increased an intolerance for treble sounds.
im glad ive been using bassey cans i guess then, i used to listen to cans pretty loud, now about... 100db tops, usually 70-90db for listening "loud" because i wanna have en around for a while.
i can say i agree with your ringing... i was at an aphex show in 97 that was LOUD and i heard it for 2 days, but it went away. I was also at the only Mental Destruction show ever in this hemisphere That was fiukin loud... outdoor, in fact another stage manager came over to yell at the sound guy to turn it down. about 3 football feilds away this nice mccawley speakers / custom boxes / all macrotech power large system was so loud that far away it needed to be turned down.
i was basically in the front, with the mud put and the freaky dudes right in front.... so it was dang loud, i heard that whole festival for 3 days at least... but i dont recall any instant change that lasted very long, luckely.
if i goto loud shows, i bring earprotection, not the best for listening but if its music that i dont care a wholelot about (i also contract for a concert video company) then ill pop em in and not worry. someday i hope to have some hifi plugs that just attenuate the volume. =)
anywho, been using sony7506 for a while and lovin it, also have the hd600s... great cans
Clubbing is what worries me. It's not so bad in Amsterdam. Most of the clubs here are in residential areas so the sound systems are relatively tame, but I used to live in Edinburgh where clubs are often in basements carved out of solid rock and the sound levels get up to ridiculous levels. I experienced the "week of tinnitus" effect a few times over there, and it wasn't fun. I think that's where my current low-level problem has come from. (Why are the best spots always right in front of a speaker? )
On the other hand, I wouldn't swap the last 8 years of clubbing for anything. Nothing beats jumping up and down in front of some flashing light to get rid of the stresses of the week . It's not as if I'm going to do it forever. I'm already bordering on being that creepy guy who's just a little bit too old to be there , but I'd feel better if I knew another few years weren't going to cost me a few kHz off my hearing threshold for the rest of my life. I think that would be a Bad Thing.
Has anyone tried earplugs when they're going to go somewhere loud? I've tried the foam plugs and they were awful, but I've heard there are better models used by musicians. The last time I was in the UK, Richer Sounds were even selling some, but they were out of stock. Any suggestions?
I know how it feels to lose hearing. About three months ago, I tried to clean my ears and ended up with 80% loss in one ear along with persistent ringing and other crazy sounds. I went to a doctor (a general practitioner) who told me that a membrane in my ear was ruptured and I had to take medicines and walk around with cotton stuffed in my ears all the time protecting my ear from loud sounds. I had to do this for a whole month!!!!! After a month, I went to the same doctor who panicked when I told him that there was no improvement. He told me that I had to undergo a surgery and reffered me to a surgeon. I almost pissed in my pants!!! A surgery? Well, I went to the surgeon that evening and he looked at my ear. He simply shoved an instrument in my ear and pulled out a ton of solid, hardened wax. Apparently, while cleaning my ear, I had pushed the wax into my ear so badly that it had clogged my ear-drum. Imagine my relief when I could hear perfectly-after a whole month of fear and depression. The moral of the story is this: The problem might not be as bad as you think it is. Consult a good doctor-maybe two. Make sure there is consistency in their diagnosis. Take care. Hope you get well soon. I know what you are going through. Our prayers are with you.
I've tried the foam plugs and they were awful, but I've heard there are better models used by musicians
I've heard about special plugs that you can have made according to a moulding of you ear channel. Expensive, and needs much care about hygiene.
I didn't try foam plugs with music.
I used some "Boules Quiès (http://www.quies.com/produits.htm)" in clubs. Quite uncomfortable, but cheap and effective. According to a consumer association magazine (60 millions de consommateurs) testing various products, they were the best shot among all ear protections available.
You can have their frequency response in the link above.
Woow could you buy me some of these and ship those to Germany ?
i would pay you for that ofcourse
(I can pay with PayPal)
"Boules Quiès (http://www.quies.com/produits.htm)"
@TarX
I hardly understand any French, but the pictures on their website remind me of "Ohropax" (Wax covered with cotton). In Germany you can get in every pharmacy. BTW if you google for "Gehörschutz" you'll find a great variety of products and shops, e.g. sonicshop (http://www.sonicshop.de).
Woow could you buy me some of these and ship those to Germany ?
Why don't you just get --> these (http://www.sonicshop.de/De/Plugs/OhropaxSoft.htm) instead?
Woow could you buy me some of these and ship those to Germany ?
Why don't you just get --> these (http://www.sonicshop.de/De/Plugs/OhropaxSoft.htm) instead?
these also looked nice, too bad no chart over 8k...
http://www.sonicshop.de/De/Plugs/MusicSafe_II.htm (http://www.sonicshop.de/De/Plugs/MusicSafe_II.htm)
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english link (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.sonicshop.de/De/Plugs/MusicSafe_II.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.sonicshop.de/De/Plugs/MusicSafe_II.htm%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG)
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rofl.... what is "the secret of the two lamellas"?
The Boules Quiès looks exactly like the "Original Ohropax (http://www.sonicshop.de/De/Plugs/OhropaxWachskugeln.htm)
The Boules Quiès looks exactly like the "Original Ohropax (http://www.sonicshop.de/De/Plugs/OhropaxWachskugeln.htm)"
Yes, and Babelfish (http://world.altavista.com/) just told me that it's made of the same ingredients (Mineral waxes covered with cotton).
Useful site, and it comes in English too! Thanks ssamadhi97.
These http://www.sonicshop.de/En/Cont/Plugs/Individuals.htm (http://www.sonicshop.de/En/Cont/Plugs/Individuals.htm) look great, but they only seem to sell replacement filters.
I think I might order a set of MusikSafe II and a set of UltraTech to compare.