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Recommendations CD ripping starting from scratch

Reply #51 –
Quote from: Akkurat on
Submits to AR DB are not "live". I can't remember how often the live DB is updated, but if I'm not horribly wrong, it could take months.


Once a month, the database is updating right now as we speak (takes a couple of days to process).

Quote from: hretif on
DBPoweramp is also in burst mode.


You might as well put it in Secure mode, then it will rip and verify against AccurateRip and finish there (ie burst), or move on to secure ripping automatically.

Recommendations CD ripping starting from scratch

Reply #52 –
Quote from: Akkurat on
Press F9 (EAC options) -> Tools, and set "On extraction, start external compressors queued in the background" on, + set the "simultaneous external compressor thread(s)" to your liking (e.g. I'm using 2 though I've only single core CPU).

I made a quick test but I did not see much differences. wav file is still first written.

Recommendations CD ripping starting from scratch

Reply #53 –
Quote from: hretif on
...for the same CD, EAC needs about 20 minutes and DBpoweramp 5 minutes (I rip directly to my NAS). As I want to rip nearly 500 CDs, I think it is worth to invest the money. I like also the simplicity (but completeness), and also the cover picture which is automatically imported.


There are advantages to both EAC and dBpoweramp. I use both, but obviously favor the latter now that it supports cue sheets and images. (I'm only using EAC at this point to rip CDs with data tracks. There seems to be some problem matching these in CUETools if they are done with dBpoweramp.)

As Akkurat noted, I should have been a bit more explanatory when I said that dBpoweramp is often faster than EAC.

It ultimately just comes down to personal preference. I don't think you can go to wrong with whichever you ultimately decide to use.
The Loudness War is over. Now it's a hopeless occupation.

Recommendations CD ripping starting from scratch

Reply #54 –
Even if you've purchased dBpoweramp, it's good to keep EAC around in the event that it can rip something accurately which dBpoweramp can't.  There are still other programs worth having around for the very same reason such as CUERipper (bundled with CUETools) and foobar2000.

Recommendations CD ripping starting from scratch

Reply #55 –
Quote from: spoon on
Quote from: hretif on
DBPoweramp is also in burst mode.


You might as well put it in Secure mode, then it will rip and verify against AccurateRip and finish there (ie burst), or move on to secure ripping automatically.


I have tested (with 2 different CD drives) this and (of course) the disk which I have first catched for this was a copy controlled.

In burst mode, it says all tracks inaccurate with a high value (150 and more).

In secure mode it performs 2 passes and then try to re-rip some frames (for example 50). It takes a very long time.

Is it better to rip copy controlled CD in burst mode?

Is the problem the same with EAC?

Recommendations CD ripping starting from scratch

Reply #56 –
Quote from: hretif on
In burst mode, it says all tracks inaccurate with a high value (150 and more).


I have to correct this assumption: 10 tracks are Inaccurate(about 170) and 3 are Accurate(about 170). The CD is like a new one.

Is there somewhere a good article over understandig this topic?

Recommendations CD ripping starting from scratch

Reply #58 –
I'm no expert but i have an advice :

If you ripping NEW SCRATCH FREE disc using EAC, use BURST MODES instead, because Secure Modes apply lots of stress that can reduce your CD/DVD drive lifespan. Use Secure Modes only if you are ripping very old CD with lots of scratch. I'm just echoing what another forumers have stated this before.

Recently, i'm just being another victim of Secure Modes. In the past few weeks i noticed that my DVD-Rom ripping new CD speed with Secure Modes is very low than usual, which is between 1.5x - 3.0x (>14.0x is considered normal). And today after just starting rip my new CD it suddenly just stuck. And i realized my DVD-Rom just can't play Audio CD without stuttering and crackling anymore, but it can play DVD movie just fine. So if you love your new CD/DVD/Blu-Ray drive, follow my advice.

Now my question is, can somebody suggest which DVD-Rom or whatever Rom that is good for ripping Audio CD? I need to get new one.

Recommendations CD ripping starting from scratch

Reply #59 –
Interestind advice...

I am just trying with dbpoweramp now and these are my latest experiences: I use only secure mode, because it tries first in burst mode. Only if it detects  something wrong, it tries with another pass.

Most of the CDs can be ripped with one pass. However, regurlaly a track makes problem (even by scratch free CDs) and it is important then to be able to detect them. If one or more tracks make difficulties, I try with another drive and most of the time one pass later I can read it succesfully.

Recommendations CD ripping starting from scratch

Reply #60 –
I rip in secure mode in EAC. A few reasons:

1. I don't have many CDs to rip, (so) I don't care about extra time.
2. If the drive dies, it's in warranty. If it dies after 2 years, it's not that expensive. I have a couple extra PCs at home, in case of emergency.
3. I get consistently better results with secure (according to AccurateRip). With burst I often have to 'correct' some tracks, even with not scratched CDs. I like having good first takes and nice looking logs.    And if there are no AccurateRip entries to back up my rip, I definitely don't feel confident with burst.
4. AccurateRip "only" covers 97% of the CD, or so I heard. That should mean that I'm a little bit more on the safe side using a generally more accurate method, even with AccurateRip results being the same with burst.

Recommendations CD ripping starting from scratch

Reply #61 –
Quote from: Brand on
And if there are no AccurateRip entries to back up my rip, I definitely don't feel confident with burst.
...and you shouldn't, not without generating a second CRC for comparison in order to make sure the rip was secure, at least.

Quote from: Brand on
That should mean that I'm a little bit more on the safe side using a generally more accurate method, even with AccurateRip results being the same with burst.

Don't confuse secure with accurate.  Secure mode does not guarantee an accurate rip, even when EAC reports that there were no errors.  AccurateRip delivers a higher degree of assurance that your rips are accurate when it is able to verify your results than secure ripping.

I've told you this before.  I guess you've forgotten already.

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Reply #64 –
So Brand may have a point then.
Quote from: Brand on
...4. AccurateRip "only" covers 97% of the CD, or so I heard. That should mean that I'm a little bit more on the safe side using a generally more accurate method, even with AccurateRip results being the same with burst.

I will probably change the way I rip my CDs.

Recommendations CD ripping starting from scratch

Reply #65 –
...and he may not.

AFAIC, this has already been discussed and put to bed, besides the fact that AR2 is here and has addressed the FUD; but do whatever you wish.

Recommendations CD ripping starting from scratch

Reply #66 –
Quote from: greynol on
Quote from: Brand on
That should mean that I'm a little bit more on the safe side using a generally more accurate method, even with AccurateRip results being the same with burst.

Don't confuse secure with accurate.  Secure mode does not guarantee an accurate rip, even when EAC reports that there were no errors.  AccurateRip delivers a higher degree of assurance that your rips are accurate when it is able to verify your results than secure ripping.

Oh I know that well, and I thank you for pointing that out in previous threads.
But with my setup secure mode also consistently produces more accurate [=according to AccurateRip] results. That's if I look at the statistics for my previous rips, which were done with both burst and secure. Maybe it was just coincidence, but I doubt it.

So yeah, secure and accurate are different things. But I see some correlation. Now for some other setups (drives) it might not be so, so I won't say that it's universally true.

And for the 3% that gets left out with the current version of AR, that's also relevant, IMO. EDIT: I've read the post by spoon, which seems to confirm that.
I do believe that AR is still the best way and top priority when checking if a CD is well ripped. But as long as it's not 100% perfect, one might as well complement it with some other method that is known to make good rips (and at least in my case, that's secure mode).
 

Recommendations CD ripping starting from scratch

Reply #68 –
Quote from: Brand on
I do believe that AR is still the best way and top priority when checking if a CD is well ripped. But as long as it's not 100% perfect, one might as well complement it with some other method that is known to make good rips (and at least in my case, that's secure mode).

I think it's a waste of time and that you're better off using CUETools to check against an alternate pressing if you're concerned about it.

Regarding your other points, I figured it was just common sense that you will encounter situations where secure mode is necessary.  There is only very limited error detection in burst mode and there is no attempt to get consistent data when there are errors.  When using burst mode you are at the mercy of your drive and some do a better job than others.  In the event that you're in the market for a new drive to rip music and plan on using EAC, choose one that doesn't cache audio data and this business with using burst mode starts to become moot, especially if it also provides C2 pointers.  If you're using a caching drive you might consider a different ripping program if burst mode isn't cutting it and you don't want to put up with the inefficient way in which EAC deals with caching drives.  If you don't care then that's great; the advice to use burst mode doesn't apply to you.

Revisiting the 3% that AccurateRip does not cover, I challenge you to find just one example where secure mode has caught an error that that fell through the crack and either reported it or got an accurate result verified against another physical copy from either the same pressing or a pressing that only differs by an offset.  As I told Light-Fire, this has already been discussed and IMnotsoHO, laid to rest.