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Topic: Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic? (Read 52391 times) previous topic - next topic
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Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #51
Sugar.

Just short on ODing.

Imagined differences tend to disappear in such tests ... the placebophiles don't like it when their biased opinions are not confirmed.
"I hear it when I see it."


Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #53
Proof that blind testing is an unscientific joke.

My understanding is that one has to stare at the DUT for a couple months to properly hear it. Perhaps even touch it inappropriately as well, to get a better feel for how it sounds.
We should toss these results, as I believe the above was not adhered to.
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Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #55
Hey, where's the extensive and referenced treatise on 'PRaT' that hollowman promised us 4 years ago?

(btw given WernerO's historical note -- that discussion of 'PRaT' originated in the British audio press -- I really have to wonder if the whole thing wasn't a joke from the start)

Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #56
Hey, where's the extensive and referenced treatise on 'PRaT' that hollowman promised us 4 years ago?
Only certain types of members stick around HA. The rest (majority) move on.
Don't believe that? ... just check out HA's Alexa traffic ranking (over time)*** ...
As far as the OP ... that "member" was banned long ago from HA. Just ask db1989.
When HA is afraid, it bans. That's okay, tho' --- this is YOUR place.

***Alexa used to offer 5-year metrics free; now you have to pay for stats that far back. IAC, I have them saved from way back. Bottom line: You'll lose PayPal sponsors far sooner than the heat death of the universe. So, hope permanent employees of HA have saved their pennies for a rainy day -- it's starting to 'prinkle
HA could do something totally revolutionary: change (learn from stats) and, e.g., revise TOS, etc. But the joint is infested with too many good-ol' boyz, old-skool thinkers and tenured Mods (greynol, et. al) lovin' their cushy status quo.

FROM THE TRENCHES, HERE'S A HUGE MONETIZING TIP: HA China, HA Hindustan, ...
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Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #57
Only certain types of members stick around HA. The rest (majority) move on.
This is mainly due to the fact that (digital) audio reproduction is so good nowadays that it's basically a solved problem for all but a select few people. Of course, this excludes the Dunning-Kruger crowd on placebophile websites.
It's only audiophile if it's inconvenient.

Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #58
To the best of my knowledge there was no level matching using instrumentation, so the test wasn't blind, unless they mention more details in the video which I couldn't bear after about 6m30s in, when Tyll said, to paraphrase, "Blind tests introduce bias of their own."

Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #59
When HA is afraid, it bans.


Afraid of what? Of who?

Blind faith audiophiles who steadfastly stick to their magical notions of how they feel audio should work, rather than how it actually works?

In that case, calling it "fear" is laughably ignorant. It's more like annoyance or exasperation at the sheer stupidity and gullibility these audiophiles seem to take pride in.

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HA could do something totally revolutionary: change (learn from stats) and, e.g., revise TOS, etc. But the joint is infested with too many good-ol' boyz, old-skool thinkers and tenured Mods (greynol, et. al) lovin' their cushy status quo.


Absolutely not. HA is one of the only audio-related websites left where science and falsifiable evidence are still valued over anecdotes and fantastical unfounded speculation.

It's also blissfully free from "monetization", paid industry shills and blatantly paid-for "reviews".

Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #60
When HA is afraid, it bans. That's okay, tho' --- this is YOUR place.


And what, pray tell, is HA afraid of in this particular case?
Creature of habit.

Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #61
When HA is afraid, it bans. That's okay, tho' --- this is YOUR place.


You are confusing HA with audiophool places like huddler-fi or crapstar, where you do get in fact get banned if you criticize their highly flawed and biased listening comparisons - because they cannot defend their flawed position.

People here are not banned for rational discussions or criticism. As a case in point, not long ago we had a >30 page discussion that was full with criticism about ABX and blind testing - most of the points where however based on complete ignorance about it and statistics.
The link you posted is actually also an example of that. To say something like "75% of the trials passed is statistically significant" is complete and utter nonsense. If I throw a fair coin and it lands a few times on the side I want then I can achieve a 100% success rate, yet it is still completely random.


What should we be afraid of? That someone builds an amplifier that sounds audibly different? That is trivial to do.


The problem with these audiophools is that they do not think rationally or critically when it comes to audio and fail to draw conclusions from solid evidence (one main problem being that they don't have any). They think that we are closed-minded, yet they don't even understand what the term means (YouTube video). They think that we do not allow certain things to be demonstrated, and the nutcases even think that science is a big conspiracy.

Why do you think the average Joe rolls his eyes, shakes his head or even bursts into laughter when he hears audiophools talking and fondling their gear?
"I hear it when I see it."

Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #62
Y'all super easy to trollbait, I have to say.

Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #63
Y'all super easy to trollbait, I have to say.

Poe's law

If you dismiss such people as just trolls then you'd have to dismiss many audiophiles that seem to be absolutely sure and serious about what they say and do.
"I hear it when I see it."

Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #64
Fair enough. Keep the fire burning.

Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #65
Showing someone where he is wrong does not keep the fire burning, it quenches it.
"I hear it when I see it."

Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #66
Sorry, I wasn't referring to flamewars, I was talking about passionately keeping the bullshit at bay.

Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #67
Hollowman wasn't banned.

Even if he had been banned, he could have easily registered a new account just to come back and champion against our position with nothing more than fluff; and when that fails, provide internet statistics to tell us that we're dying...

...[a href="https://sites.google.com/site/audiothiest/"]https://sites.google.com/site/audiothiest/" rel="nofollow"]again[/a].

Of course we've had our share of non-banned members creating new accounts as well.

Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #68
Interesting .... I open a long-dead thread with a few sentences, and .... well, i'ts like ringin' the dinner bell at Pavlov's joint.
Two pages of feedback. I brought the place back to non-Zombiness.

Akin to the modern, brainless primates, glued to their smartphone, waitin' for updates on Facebook, even when driving 80mph on the freeway ...admit it ... you're all addicted to contemporary socialism ... in the self-deluded guise of "scientific" pursuit.

Can you live w/o HA for a few hours?

How will you all psychologically survive the next 1859?

Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #69
Interesting .... I open a long-dead thread with a few sentences, and .... well, i'ts like ringin' the dinner bell at Pavlov's joint.
Two pages of feedback. I brought the place back to non-Zombiness.

Akin to the modern, brainless primates, glued to their smartphone, waitin' for updates on Facebook, even when driving 80mph on the freeway ...admit it ... you're all addicted to contemporary socialism ... in the self-deluded guise of "scientific" pursuit.

Can you live w/o HA for a few hours?

How will you all psychologically survive the next 1859?


I just read this entire thread and learned almost nothing.  Thanks for resurrecting it.


Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #71
And so there was silence...

Now let's allow this thread to die peacefully without any fools PRaTtling on about their nonsense.
It's only audiophile if it's inconvenient.

Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #72
I brought the place back to non-Zombiness.

Congrats on winning nameless faceless troll of the day here and Dunning-Kruger hero of the day elsewhere, on the zombie-science constructed internet.
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Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #73
Interesting .... I open a long-dead thread with a few sentences, and .... well, i'ts like ringin' the dinner bell at Pavlov's joint.
Two pages of feedback. I brought the place back to non-Zombiness.

Akin to the modern, brainless primates, glued to their smartphone, waitin' for updates on Facebook, even when driving 80mph on the freeway ...admit it ... you're all addicted to contemporary socialism ... in the self-deluded guise of "scientific" pursuit.

Can you live w/o HA for a few hours?

How will you all psychologically survive the next 1859?


A perfectly executed puppet-master strategy.

Well done sir, you must be extremely proud of yourself.

Perception of Pace/Rhythm/Timing (PRaT) -- genetic?

Reply #74
A perfectly executed puppet-master strategy.

Is that what the kids call D-K trolling today??
I must be behind the times.
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