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EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

This is what I'm experiencing:

Even on completely new, store-bought, just-opened CDs, I get sync errors (using EAC in secure mode, caching checked, c2 not checked, accuraterip checked). Error recovery is set to high. Ripping speed is normally around 3.5x, probably 3.7x tops. When it gets to the "error" (you'll see why I put it in quotes later), speed gets reduced to 0.1x til all the red error boxes light up & finally give me a sync error.

However....

If, before extraction, I open up nero cd-dvd speed and start the benchmark test (where speed normally starts out at around 16-18x), cancel it, and then immediately switch to EAC and start extraction, the speed is around 7x, and I don't get sync errors on the same areas. I don't even get any small little red boxes that indicates re-reading of an error.

Unfortunately....

5 minutes later I'm back down to 3.5x & it finds "errors" again.

So in order to get a perfect rip, I usually have to do 3 tracks at a time, running & canceling a nero cd/dvd speed test in-between.


Does anyone know what's happening? It's as if there's a timeout after extraction, and when that timeout occurs, the drive does not peform efficiently (and I don't mean fast==efficient).

The "spin drive up" option, when checked, helpfully spins the drive up to 3.5x

I have had 3 different burners, and have experienced this on all 3, however, not to the same degree.

What's up with EAC, my burners, or my computer?

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #1
Is my question confusing? Should I give a general synopsis? Has anyone ever experienced my problem (if it's a problem)?

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #2
It might help if we knew your ripping drive(s), operating system, and any other information you could add.  Otherwise we would just be guessing. 
Nov schmoz kapop.

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #3
You "may" need to play around a bit with the speed setting in EAC which requires a CD to be inserted to do that. I for one have nothing but problems with EAC (stalling, unresponsive, and not ripping for several minutes in one region of a disc whilst the drive light stays constantly lit, and no it isn't because of a particular ASPI driver it's because of the hardware, e.g.; the drive itself is the culprit) if I select any extraction speed higher than 20x with my JLMS DVD-ROM XJ-HD166, but then again the same can be said when using CDex.

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #4
You want data...here you go (from Nero Infotool)

Summary:
 - XP SP2
 - Athlon XP @ 1.3Ghz
 - 380-something MB RAM
 - Liteon SHM-165H6S (w/lightscribe) dvd-burner

* I just noticed it says "ASPI Installation is corrupted"...doing some googling now, but anyone know what that's about? I am able to burn correctly despite it saying it's corrupted 


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Nero InfoTool 3.02

Drive Information
------------------
Drive                      : LITE-ON  DVDRW SHM-165H6S
Type                      : DVD-RAM Recorder
Firmware Version          : HS02
Buffer Size                : 2 MB
Date                      : 2005-12-12
Serial Number
Vendor Specific            :  2005/12/12 11:40   
Drive Letter              : E:\
Location                  : 1:0
Mechanism                  : Tray
Read Speed                : 48  X
Write Speed                : 48  X

Read CD Text              : Yes
Return C2 Pointers        : Yes
Read CD-R                  : Yes
Read CD-RW                : Yes
Read DVD-ROM              : Yes
Read DVD-RAM              : Yes
Read DVD-R                : Yes
Read DVD-RW                : Yes
Read DVD+R                : Yes
Read DVD+RW                : Yes
Read DVD+R DL              : Yes
Read BD-ROM                : No
Read BD-R                  : No
Read BD-RE                : No
Read Digital Audio        : Yes
Read CD+G                  : No
Read VideoCD              : Yes

Write CD-R                : Yes
Write CD-RW                : Yes
Write DVD-R                : Yes
Write DVD-RW              : Yes
Write DVD-R DL            : Yes
Write DVD+R                : Yes
Write DVD+RW              : Yes
Write DVD+R DL            : Yes
Write DVD-RAM              : Yes
Write BD-R                : No
Write BD-RE                : No
Buffer Underrun Protection                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                : Yes
Mount Rainier              : No
Modes                      : Packet, TAO, DAO, SAO, RAW SAO, RAW DAO, RAW SAO 16, RAW SAO 96, RAW DAO 16, RAW DAO 96

Region Protection Control  : RPC II
Region                    : None
Changes User              : 5
Changes Vendor            : 4


Interface Information
---------------------
Adapter 2
---------
Description          : Secondary IDE Channel

Driver
Description          : System32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys
Company              : Microsoft Corporation
Version              : 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Description          : IDE/ATAPI Port Driver

Attached Devices
Description          : Master: LITE-ON DVDRW SHM-165H6S
Type                  : CD-Rom Drive
DMA                  : On
Autorun              : Off



Hardware Information
--------------------
CPU                  :  AMD Athlon  MP 1333 MHz
Bus Speed            :  133 MHz
Motherboard          :  MICRO-STAR MS-6734
System              :  MICRO-STAR KM400-8235
BIOS                :  Phoenix 6.00 PG
Memory              :  384 MB (60ns)
Sound                : Envy24 Family Audio (WDM)
Video                : RAGE MOBILITY-M1 AGP 2X (English)


ASPI Information
----------------
System ASPI      :  ASPI installation is corrupted

WNASPI32.DLL    :  4.71 (0002) 45056 bytes July 16, 2002
ASPI32.SYS      :  4.71 (0002) built by: WinDDK 16512 bytes July 16, 2002

Nero ASPI        :  ASPI is not installed

Installed OS Patches
--------------------
(Q810090) USB Update                                                                                                                                :  Yes
(Q329112) Multi-Border DVD with More Than 4 GB of Data Not Readable Past First Border                                                              :  Yes
(Q812415) Problems with Multiple ATA devices                                                                                                        :  No
(Q322359) Intelide.sys Is Not Used on Computers with ICH4 or ICH5                                                                                  :  No
(Q320174) IMAPI Update - CDs recorded have missing files or errors                                                                                  :  Yes
(Q311542) Devices May not power up properly when resuming from standby                                                                              :  Yes
(Q327086) Data Added to Removable Media During Hibernation May Be Lost When You Resume Windows XP                                                  :  Yes
(Q308374) Ricoh 1394 Controller May Not Work with Windows XP                                                                                        :  Yes
(Q314634) Windows XP Does Not Detect Your New USB Device                                                                                            :  Yes
(Q822603) USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 update                                                                                                                :  No
(Q323507) Your IEEE 1394 or USB CD-ROM or DVD-ROM Drive May Not Be Recognized in Windows XP                                                        :  No
(Q815834) 'Code 28' Error Message and a Yellow Exclamation Mark Next to a USB Device in Device Manager After Your Computer Resumes from Hibernation                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                :  No
(Q316575) Problems When You Swap a CD-ROM During Hibernation in Windows XP                                                                          :  No
(Q811789) Surprise Removal of 1394 Device Can Cause Bluescreen Error                                                                                :  Yes
(Q323322) Cannot Use Sony VAIO PCG-C1MRX Internal Camera with Windows Messenger After You Apply Q316397                                            :  No
(Q811789) Surprise Removal of 1394 Device Can Cause Bluescreen Error                                                                                :  Yes

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EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #5
I think that you should use test and copy in burst mode. This way, you get a secure exctraction (test and copy), and you can run the drive at a speed that it's happy with (burst mode = no slow down)

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #6
I've tried the burst/test & copy. Thing is, the test or CRC fails...and if it didn't, the output wavefile has skips in it. Burst mode does go pretty fast (around 8-10x tops)

That's why I'm confused on how to do this!

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #7
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I've tried the burst/test & copy. Thing is, the test or CRC fails...and if it didn't, the output wavefile has skips in it. Burst mode does go pretty fast (around 8-10x tops)

That's why I'm confused on how to do this!
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That is not "pretty fast" for burst mode on a modern Lite-On DVD Burner.

Have you tried updating the [a href="http://codeguys.rpc1.org/firmwares.html]firmware[/url]?

Is your drive DMA-enabled?

Complete computer setup please.

Oh, and get Nero ASPI layer and drop it on your EAC installation folder. This should imporve things.
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EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #8
What extra info is needed? I thought what I posted was the most relevant information.

I would assume a 48x burner would have DMA...Progammed I/O would kill the CPU! I'm able to get (accurate) 32x burns, but ironically get about 3x rips. Just checked my Secondary IDE controller...it's using UDMA mode 4. It used to be only mode 2 as I only had 40-conductor IDE cable but just upgraded to the extra-ground-wire IDE cable.

I've upgraded the firmware (from "HS02" to "HS06"), reinstalled ASPI so that it says my ASPI is installed correctly, and WNASPI32.dll was already in EAC's folder. Have not yet rebooted but just tried to rip this same CD:


0:0:00 starts at 2.7x
0:0:45 at around 2.9-3.3x & stabilizes at 3.1x
0:1:00 (while EAC is still extracting,) I run nero dvd speed & start the test; cancel it as soon as the "spin up drive" dialog is gone)
0:1:12 at 10x
0:3:00 at 6.5x
0:3:40 at 5x

I only ripped a couple tracks so I'm guessing it was making its way back down to 3-2x.

After Nero spins up the drive, you can audibly hear it (while it rips at 10x). As time goes on, you can hear it spinning down til its almost silent.

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #9
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I've tried the burst/test & copy. Thing is, the test or CRC fails...and if it didn't, the output wavefile has skips in it. Burst mode does go pretty fast (around 8-10x tops)

That's why I'm confused on how to do this!
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If CRC is OK and there are skips, then the drive is completely bugged or damaged. Get it replaced. It happened to me with a Teac e540, but only at high speed. It was known as not suitable for audio extraction in Feurio's database (depending on the firmware).
I also got a bad Plextor Premium. The ripping was as slow as yours, and there were errors everywhere. It was capable of reading DVDs and CD rom without problems, though. But according to user reports, the Plextor Premium usually works well.

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #10
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If CRC is OK and there are skips, then the drive is completely bugged or damaged. Get it replaced. It happened to me with a Teac e540, but only at high speed. It was known as not suitable for audio extraction in Feurio's database (depending on the firmware).
I also got a bad Plextor Premium. The ripping was as slow as yours, and there were errors everywhere. It was capable of reading DVDs and CD rom without problems, though. But according to user reports, the Plextor Premium usually works well.
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That must be it.

Hope he can get it changed.
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EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #11
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I also got a bad Plextor Premium. The ripping was as slow as yours, and there were errors everywhere. It was capable of reading DVDs and CD rom without problems, though.


I want that Premium ... DVD reading ... yummy
The name was Plex The Ripper, not Jack The Ripper

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #12
I guess I was confused...

I get "#" in the CRC column. I always thought # meant CRC was OK, 'cause all other times the CRC column would be blank.

This page says a # means it failed CRC.

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #13
help

Does anyone know what governs/limits (in totality) the read speed??? Hardware & software related?

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #14
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I get "#" in the CRC column. I always thought # meant CRC was OK, 'cause all other times the CRC column would be blank.
# means the CRCs don't match; OK means they do. The field is blank when no Test & Copy has been completed.

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Does anyone know what governs/limits (in totality) the read speed??? Hardware & software related?
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Both. With Plextors, the max read speed is the determined upon the disc initialization (i.e. when you insert it and the drive scans it). There is software that claims to do the same (Nero CD/DVD Speed and CDBremse), but it will only work if the drive's firmware allows.

As to your problem,  do try dropping that WNASPI32.DLL from Nero's web site into your EAC directory and setting Use of SCSI interface (under EAC / EAC Options / Interface) to "Installed external ASPI interface" (you need to restart EAC after that). Also try setting the Drive read command (under Drive Options / Drive) to "Read command MMC1" which is pretty universal. Try replacing the IDE cable and connecting the drive as a master on a channel of its own to one of  the motherboard's built-in IDE ports (rather than an addon card). If the problem doesn't go away, your drive is defective.

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #15
1. EAC already indicates installed external interface

2. read command was already MMC1

3. IDE cable is new (less than 2 weeks)

4. Drive is already master on IDE1 (is only device on secondary ide channel)

5. Already going to mobo's IDE

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I've had this problem on all 3 different burners. What are the chances of me getting three defective burners (from three different brands) in a row though? That's why I think it's software related or if hardware related, something to do with the motherboard.

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #16
If you've had it on 3 different burners, that would lead me to believe your motherboard is the root of the problem. Try the drive on another PC.

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #17
Could it be bus-related? Nero InfoTool said my bus speed was 133hz...is that too little bandwith so-to-speak for faster extractions?

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #18
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With Plextors, the max read speed is the determined upon the disc initialization
(i.e. when you insert it and the drive scans it).
My question was just answered in another thread

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #19
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With Plextors, the max read speed is the determined upon the disc initialization
(i.e. when you insert it and the drive scans it).
You keep repeating this, so I'll ask again : where did you get this idea from ?

I got it from the Article ID. HW00012 in the Plextor FAQ:

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In order to properly set the read speed for each disc to be played, Plextor drives are engineered to read a disc’s TOC (table of contents) and to compare the TOC to the last track on the CD. In doing this, the drive is checking the quality of the data at the outside of the disc. The drive will then set the read speed to support the actual condition of the data on the disc. This operation makes disc initialization slightly longer than drives from other manufacturers. However, drives from these manufacturers only read the TOC of the CD, and do not check to see if data is damaged or properly recorded. This can result in poor read performance, as the drive must try several speed settings to accommodate problems if it finds them while reading the recorded data. Plextor drives prevent this by validating data integrity before reading starts.

My personal observations seem to confirm it. Do your Plextors behave differently?


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There is software that claims to do the same (Nero CD/DVD Speed and CDBremse),
but it will only work if the drive's firmware allows.
Good one. Do you know a software which can control a drive against the firmware's will ?

None, of course.

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #20
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I got it from the Article ID. HW00012 in the Plextor FAQ:

Quote
In order to properly set the read speed for each disc to be played, Plextor drives are engineered to read a disc’s TOC (table of contents) and to compare the TOC to the last track on the CD. In doing this, the drive is checking the quality of the data at the outside of the disc...

My personal observations seem to confirm it. Do your Plextors behave differently?

I never noticed it. This is really surprising and I can't make sense of it, they
"compare the TOC to the last track" wtf ? From the two threads you mentioned
before it seems it's not very accurate or consistent. I'll try to see with our Plextor
contacts if we can get some more detailed explanations about this.

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #21
What about...

...my computer's power supply??? What if it's not up to par & can't provide the power the drive needs to sustain high speeds? What do you guys think? Are there any (free, software) power-supply testers out there? I guess programs that will make you do stuff on your computer & tests the voltage (I know software can read the voltages in....I see it in my BIOS for memory).

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #22
Some more testing...

It seems to just go down the list of speeds;

1. I'll set drivespeed to 48x (max). At 48x, I get secure mode rips at about 9-10x!...for only a couple minutes.

2. While ripping, I'll see it gradually make it's way to 8x. With every audible "spin-down", that equated to the next lowest speed (for ex: 48->40, 40->32, 32->24, 24->16, 16->12, 12->8). It seems to be time-based; like there's no real event that spurs the spin-downs.

Why does speed get reduced? The funny thing is that the red error boxes do not light up (they are at their darkest colors when the spindowns occur).

Here is the logfile; I don't see anything abnormal. Only on track 9 & 17 were track qualities not equal to 100% (99.9 &  99.6% respectively), so this was a pretty clean CD since it didn't have to re-read except on tracks. Error correction can't be the blame for the spin-downs on the 100% tracks, correct??

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EAC extraction logfile from 21. March 2006, 2:48 for CD
Do Or Die / Headz Or Tailz

Used drive  : LITE-ON DVDRW SHM-165H6S  Adapter: 1  ID: 0
Read mode  : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, disable cache
Read offset correction : 0
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No

Used output format : c:\ripped\flac.exe  (User Defined Encoder)
                    192 kBit/s
                    Additional command line options : -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" -8 %s

Other options      :
    Fill up missing offset samples with silence : No
    Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
    Installed external ASPI interface


Track  1
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\01-Headz.wav

    Peak level 100.0 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 04F8D7C4
    Copy OK

Track  2
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\02-Just Ballin.wav

    Peak level 98.4 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 47A8EFC5
    Copy OK

Track  3
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\03-Pimpology.wav

    Peak level 100.0 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 0EFF1673
    Copy OK

Track  4
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\04-Lil Sum Sum.wav

    Peak level 98.3 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 48A88878
    Copy OK

Track  5
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\05-Nobody's Home (ft Johnny P & Danny Bo).wav

    Peak level 95.2 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 7784C7D1
    Copy OK

Track  6
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\06-Still Po Pimpin' (ft Johnny P & Twista).wav

    Peak level 100.0 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC FB1C5DEB
    Copy OK

Track  7
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\07-All In The Club (ft. Danny Boy).wav

    Peak level 100.0 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 5FE027CD
    Copy OK

Track  8
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\08-Can I (ft Beyond Content).wav

    Peak level 99.8 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 2FEC17E0
    Copy OK

Track  9
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\09-Choppin Up That Paper (ft Val Young).wav

    Peak level 98.9 %
    Track quality 99.9 %
    Copy CRC 0BBACF1D
    Copy OK

Track 10
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\10-Gangsta Shit (ft Shock the World).wav

    Peak level 97.1 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC B8D16C91
    Copy OK

Track 11
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\11-Bustin Back (ft Lil Chilla of the Snypaz).wav

    Peak level 98.4 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 2075805D
    Copy OK

Track 12
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\12-Ultimate Shutdown.wav

    Peak level 100.0 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 1B33B90E
    Copy OK

Track 13
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\13-Who Am I (ft Scarface).wav

    Peak level 98.9 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC B1A11BA0
    Copy OK

Track 14
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\14-Caine House.wav

    Peak level 100.0 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC DB2C1955
    Copy OK

Track 15
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\15-Under Surveillance.wav

    Peak level 99.9 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC C4F25DD3
    Copy OK

Track 16
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\16-Dead or Alive.wav

    Peak level 100.0 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC DEA39BA0
    Copy OK

Track 17
    Filename U:\FLAC\headz\17-Tailz (ft Bushwick Bill).wav

    Peak level 92.5 %
    Track quality 99.6 %
    Copy CRC 584EAB54
    Copy OK

No errors occured


End of status report

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

Reply #23
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they "compare the TOC to the last track" wtf ?
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I guess it means that they use TOC to locate the last track, and then they check its (the track's) quality to set the safe read speed.

EAC: errors & slow; use nero cd-speed = good rip?!

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What about...my computer's power supply??? What if it's not up to par & can't provide the power the drive needs to sustain high speeds? [a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=372501"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Probably a false trail. If your power supply were inadequate, you would have  freezes, lockups and general system instability.