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Title: Which is the best player in your opinion?
Post by: wilson15 on 2003-08-06 10:07:31
If excluded foobar and winamp. 
Title: Which is the best player in your opinion?
Post by: Differenciam on 2003-08-06 10:08:43
XMMS.
Title: Which is the best player in your opinion?
Post by: rjamorim on 2003-08-06 10:08:45
Jesus Christ! Again!!!!!

Please, stop the madness!
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Post by: rpop on 2003-08-06 10:11:52
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If excluded foobar and winamp. 

Don't make me show you my detailed, graphic PDF.
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Post by: rjamorim on 2003-08-06 10:13:14
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Don't make me show you my detailed, graphic PDF.

Wow, that seems interesting  (w00t)
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Post by: wilson15 on 2003-08-06 10:21:24
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Jesus Christ! Again!!!!!

Please, stop the madness!

sorry, didn't see this
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=11930 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11930)
Title: Which is the best player in your opinion?
Post by: rjamorim on 2003-08-06 10:22:16
There was also a poll some time ago :-P
Title: Which is the best player in your opinion?
Post by: ChristianHJW on 2003-08-06 10:30:49
LOL ..... i'd love to start a new thread titled

'What is the best and most powerful combined audio and video player in your opinion'

but i feared Dibrom would kick my ass  .......
Title: Which is the best player in your opinion?
Post by: Jojo on 2003-08-06 10:42:17
Windows Media Player
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Post by: ciber-fred on 2003-08-06 10:46:16
you don't know but.. lamip will be a good player
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Post by: ilikedirtthe2nd on 2003-08-06 11:20:23
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Windows Media Player

 
Title: Which is the best player in your opinion?
Post by: ChristianHJW on 2003-08-06 11:30:12
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Windows Media Player

That means ( currently ) :

No AAC from AAC tracks, only from MP4 files
No HE-AAC ( AAC SBR ) from AAC tracks, very limited from MP4
No FLAC
No Wavpack
No Optimfrog
Bad AC3 because of filter confusion if PowerDVD or WinDVD are installed
No AC3 SPDIF playback to external receivers via koax/toslink
No equalizer
No sound-presets for every song
No good playlist
No media library
No IRC modules
No tagging ( or only very limited )
No video resizing
No DShow filter list access ( only in 6.4 ) to change filter settings
Limited subtitles playback
No good audio stream switcher
etc. ....

You dont honestly or seriously call this a 'good' player, do you  ??
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Post by: smok3 on 2003-08-06 11:33:02
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No IRC modules

what are those for?
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Post by: Kekso on 2003-08-06 11:40:07
TO HJW:

Media Library: Click Media Library, and there you can see it !!!
TagSupport: Right-Click on media file - AdvancedTag Editor
Equalizer: was the first thing I tried in WMP
Video Resizing: Click on bottom right corner and try to drag it, you will be probably surprised of video resizing.
IRC Modules: IT IS A MEDIA PLAYER, not comunicating software
Playlist: simply normal playlist, I can't see any disadvantages on it

Oh, and you have forgotten one thing: NO BUGS




Ciao, Kekso
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Post by: ChristianHJW on 2003-08-06 11:41:27
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No IRC modules

what are those for?

Copied and pasted from #tcmp , irc.corecodec.com :


<ChrisHJW> http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....=0&#entry122259 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11999&st=0&#entry122259) <---- Blacksun, read the last reply ... you care giving the guy a screenshot of what an IRC module does ?
<BlackSun>   what is an irc module ?
<ChrisHJW>   
<Toff>   yeah what's that ?
<ChrisHJW>   what are you guys using to make this funny displays here in the channel about what you are currently playing ?
<BlackSun>   np (>^o^)> .::TCMP::. <(^o^<) »» - «» 0:03/7:36 «» FhG/CBR/160 Kbps «« #tcmp @ irc.corecodec.com
<ChrisHJW>   i thought this is a module ?
<Toff>   np ::. matrix_cow.wmv .::. 0:03/2:33 .:: #tcmp irc.corecodec.com
<BlackSun>   mirc plugin ^^
<BlackSun>   just copy and past
<ChrisHJW>   for mIRC, yes, i thought so
<ChrisHJW>   COPY AND PASTE  !!!
<ChrisHJW>   this has to be automatic ! One button on the player, and there goes the message
<Toff>   np ::. [Noir OST1] Koppelia no Hitsugi (CDJAPAN: vicl-60737) .::. streamed from http://ost.jav.net:8000 (http://ost.jav.net:8000) .::. since 0:04 .:: #tcmp irc.corecodec.com
<BlackSun>   I mean copy and paste my sentence
<BlackSun>   I just type /tcmp
<BlackSun>   np (>^o^)> .::TCMP::. <(^o^<) »» - «» 1:30/7:36 «» FhG/CBR/160 Kbps «« #tcmp @ irc.corecodec.com
<Toff>   np ::. [Chobits OST 2] Let Me Be With You - Round Table featuring Chii (CDJAPAN: VICL-60887) .::. streamed from http://ost.jav.net:8000 (http://ost.jav.net:8000) .::. since 0:27 .:: #tcmp irc.corecodec.com
<Toff>   \o/ yeaaaaaah


You know, i knew the guys have these but i am too old for that, so i was maybe using the wrong name ... its a mIRC plugin for TCMP to display what the guys are currently playing ....
Title: Which is the best player in your opinion?
Post by: ChristianHJW on 2003-08-06 11:50:01
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TO HJW:

Media Library: Click Media Library, and there you can see it !!!
TagSupport: Right-Click on media file - AdvancedTag Editor
Equalizer: was the first thing I tried in WMP
Video Resizing: Click on bottom right corner and try to drag it, you will be probably surprised of video resizing.
IRC Modules: IT IS A MEDIA PLAYER, not comunicating software
Playlist: simply normal playlist, I can't see any disadvantages on it


Are you talking about WMP 8/9 ? Well, i am still on Win2k, like many others are, and you wont see me screwing my setup by installing any of these bloatware players eating CPU and resources like crazy, for sure  ..... when i talk about WMP, i talk the classic 6.4, and maybe 7, but only once for having a basic playlist for MP3's before i found out what good players are ....

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Oh, and you have forgotten one thing: NO BUGS
Ciao, Kekso


You should know that free software without bugs is a contradiction in itself  ......
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Post by: Kekso on 2003-08-06 11:54:36
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You should know that free software without bugs is a contradiction in itself  ......

Well, maybe in France... LMAO
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Post by: upNorth on 2003-08-06 12:31:29
@ChristianHJW: I don't undestand how you can call it bloatware after seeing that long list in your second post 

Edit: Changed "first post" to "second post"
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Post by: ChristianHJW on 2003-08-06 12:40:50
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You should know that free software without bugs is a contradiction in itself  ......

Well, maybe in France... LMAO

I dont know why Radlight people think they could win friends and push their products by insulting other people's work, but as i consider JohnV, one of the admins here, being a friend of mine i wont allow that this thread is turned into a flamewar, or a playground for a nice 'Radlight vs. Corecodec' battle, as this is simply OT here. TCMP RC4 is still in beta stage, and they could resolve a big number of bugs compared to RC3 matroska edition, that was working 'almost' stable on both of my machines now for several months.

Almost no video encoder is using WMP in real life today, maybe WMP 6.4 sometimes for a quick check, because its loading pretty quickly in most cases, but thats it. And even then, its worthless for the audio community here as there is clearly no good support for most of the important audio formats i mentioned above, unless somebody ( the Radlight team maybe ?? ) makes some nice DirectShow filters for some of them, like Corecodec Team has done with CoreAAC, CoreVorbis and soon CoreFLAC.

Sidenote ( i stop now, i promise ) : Its interesting that a member of the Radlight team likes WMP so much, considering they want to have money for the full featured version of their player, while WMP is coming free of cost with every Windows installation already or can be downloaded from M$ sites free of cost, has a LOT more features than Radlight player and is even coming without any kind of spyware ( hopefully )  .....  LOL !
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Post by: TrNSZ on 2003-08-06 13:05:34
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Post by: DAvenger on 2003-08-06 13:08:20
Hi Christian,

Nobody from RadLight is not doing what you call "pushing our products by insulting other people's work". Actually, when I saw the title of this thread I simply ignored it because I am not so lame to promote my own player myself (sure I may think it's good but as I said, it's unappropriate for any member of our team to post in such threads). You, on the other hand are trying to avoid this by posting that "WMP sucks" rather than posting "TCMP rulez". Moreover, the "facts" you presented here are rather misleading and I think it's ok to point this out, isn't it?

Please, try not to fool people by creating a false feeling of RadLight vs. CoreCodec tension. We are in the same business and we both earn money by selling 'Pro' versions of our players

Sidenote : I can't say that we love WMP, that's pretty obvious. But it's not as bad as you pictured it in your post.

All the best,
Martin

edit: typos
Title: Which is the best player in your opinion?
Post by: ChristianHJW on 2003-08-06 13:23:42
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This doesn't belong here. 
This belongs in the Off-Topic forum where a discussion of "the best" players is already underway.  This thread should be moved.

Yes, please somebody move it, i'd love to give a decent reply to DAvenger's conversion of what was actually said here ......
Title: Which is the best player in your opinion?
Post by: AngelGR on 2003-08-06 13:47:28
Recently, a lot of threads finish with flamewars/offtopic posts. Maybe some of you must spend more time developing software, and less here (and I'm saying this in a friendly tone, believe me).
Thanks.
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Post by: rjamorim on 2003-08-06 18:45:03
Haha. Great post, DAvenger.

I was just going to post something similar after reading some posts in this thread.
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Post by: saratoga on 2003-08-06 19:56:28
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Are you talking about WMP 8/9 ? Well, i am still on Win2k, like many others are, and you wont see me screwing my setup by installing any of these bloatware players eating CPU and resources like crazy, for sure  ..... when i talk about WMP, i talk the classic 6.4, and maybe 7, but only once for having a basic playlist for MP3's before i found out what good players are ....


WMP9 works pretty well in 2000.  Better then 7 IMO and not as crappy as 8.  I just upgraded a bunch of 2000 workstations to it without issue.
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Post by: ChristianHJW on 2003-08-07 09:15:05
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Haha. Great post, DAvenger.  . I was just going to post something similar after reading some posts in this thread.

@rjamorim : You think ? I dont.

Now as this thread has been moved to 'Offtopic', some questions to you Roberto :

1. Dont you think that kekso's comments ( he is a member of Radlight team ) about 'bugs in opensource software from France' is a severe insult to the complete TCMP team ( including the matroska team, as you and many other people do know the main devs are from France also ) ?
If no, then we have a different sense of humour.
If yes, why is it a 'great post' from DAvenger to simply state different, without giving any explanation or excuse for the misbehaviour of his team member kekso ?

2. If everybody is happy with the performance of WMP for video, and those who want to have more features are prepared to pay for either Zoomplayer Pro or Radlight Pro, do you suggest we should stop development on TCMP ?
Neither WMP, nor Zoomplayer nor Radlight will play wavpack from your friend David Bryant, and it was me who was talking to DeXT about making this plugin when you were pointing me to the fact that there is more than FLAC for lossless, in fact the complete CCAS plugin idea was undertaken from the TCMP team to please you audio guys here, and instead of helping us a little bit by telling people that TCMP is a pretty good all-in-one solution ( we dont claim its better than Zoomplayer for video or Foobar2k for audio ) we get a kick in the ass all the time when we try to hint people to this fact  here, even when replying to somebody saying WMP is the best all-in-one solution, counting what it cant do and what the FREE version of TCMP can ?
Take a minute of your time and compare the difference in features between Radlight and Radlight Pro ( no tthe current alpha, the old version ), Zoomplayer and Zoomplayer Pro, and TCMP and TCMP Premium, and then tell us honestly if we should stop developing TCMP.

3. Yes, i am posting on webforums. Yes, at least 60 - 70% of all my posts can be seen as promotion of our 'products' , if you want to see them as such. My goal ppy with the performance of WMP for video, and those who want to have more features are prepared to pay for either Zoomplayer Pro or Radlight Pro, do you suggest we should stop development on TCMP ?
Neither WMP, nor Zoomplayer nor Radlight will play wavpack from your friend David Bryant, and it was me who was talking to DeXT about making this plugin when you were pointing me to the fact that there is more than FLAC for lossless, in fact the complete CCAS plugin idea was undertaken from the TCMP team to please you audio guys here, and instead of helping us a little bit by telling people that TCMP is a pretty good all-in-one solution ( we dont claim its better than Zoomplayer for video or Foobar2k for audio ) we get a kick in the ass all the time when we try to hint people to this fact  here, even when replying to somebody saying WMP is the best all-in-one solution, counting what it cant do and what the FREE version of TCMP can ?
Take a minute of your time and compare the difference in features between Radlight and Radlight Pro ( no tthe current alpha, the old version ), Zoomplayer and Zoomplayer Pro, and TCMP and TCMP Premium, and then tell us honestly if we should stop developing TCMP.

3. Yes, i am posting on webforums. Yes, at least 60 - 70% of all my posts can be seen as promotion of our 'products' , if you want to see them as such. My goal is to grow the Corecodec community, and this goal has clearly been achieved recently. But, unless Radlight people, EVERYBODY in the Corecodec Team has a normal daylight job, and is NOT trying to make a living from that, maybe with the exception of Blacksun ( who is currently assembling PCs in Toulouse to make his living during the day, and coding TCMP during the night ).
Yes, there are SOME people on certain webboards who consider my posts as being completely annoying and 'UNBEARABLE'. ALL those people have diffeis to grow the Corecodec community, and this goal has clearly been achieved recently. But, unless Radlight people, EVERYBODY in the Corecodec Team has a normal daylight job, and is NOT trying to make a living from that, maybe with the exception of Blacksun ( who is currently assembling PCs in Toulouse to make his living during the day, and coding TCMP during the night ).
Yes, there are SOME people on certain webboards who consider my posts as being completely annoying and 'UNBEARABLE'. ALL those people have different agenda's than seeing Corecodec and its projects growing, mainly directed to matroska and TCMP. Name me ONE forum member on any of those webboards who is actually stating '... no, i cant take ChristianHJW and his shit posts anymore, its just too annoying ...' and ask him to link to a post where he thinks i clearly crossed the border of politeness with my post.
Conclusion : Yes, my posts are following a goal. No, i dont plan to ever live from what i am doing. I am a worldwide acting sales engineer, selling machinery, and i sit a lot in hotel rooms with internet access, thats it. Please stop trying to make my posts ridiculous or look bad. I wont accept that.


@DAvenger :

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Please, try not to fool people by creating a false feeling of RadLight vs. CoreCodec tension. We are in the same business and we both earn money by selling 'Pro' versions of our players


Some facts :

1. We are NOT hanging around in your IRC channels and forums, talking to users via PM, trying to persuade them to use our player. There is a reaosn why you was banned from our IRC channels, believe me. So yes, there is some tension between the projects, but it was not started by us, not at all.

2. Nobody in the Corecodec team is trying to make a living from TCMP or any other Corecodec project, we all have norrent agenda's than seeing Corecodec and its projects growing, mainly directed to matroska and TCMP. Name me ONE forum member on any of those webboards who is actually stating '... no, i cant take ChristianHJW and his shit posts anymore, its just too annoying ...' and ask him to link to a post where he thinks i clearly crossed the border of politeness with my post.
Conclusion : Yes, my posts are following a goal. No, i dont plan to ever live from what i am doing. I am a worldwide acting sales engineer, selling machinery, and i sit a lot in hotel rooms with internet access, thats it. Please stop trying to make my posts ridiculous or look bad. I wont accept that.


@DAvenger :

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Please, try not to fool people by creating a false feeling of RadLight vs. CoreCodec tension. We are in the same business and we both earn money by selling 'Pro' versions of our players


Some facts :

1. We are NOT hanging around in your IRC channels and forums, talking to users via PM, trying to persuade them to use our player. There is a reaosn why you was banned from our IRC channels, believe me. So yes, there is some tension between the projects, but it was not started by us, not at all.

2. Nobody in the Corecodec team is trying to make a living from TCMP or any other Corecodec project, we all have normal daytime jobs. Every PENNY we get from donations to TCMP is reinvested into the opensource Corecodec community, hosting etc.

3. I have to feed a family with 2 kids and pay the rents for my house, i could never ever get the money i need from selling a software player.

4. I have not seen ANYTHING from you guys that would serve the community somehow, like a CoreAAC, CoreVorbis or CoreFLAC ( its ready now ).

SO PLEASE DONT YOU DARE COMPARING YOU GUYS WITH US EVER AGAIN !!!! ... or i flame you to death, i swear .....
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Post by: rjamorim on 2003-08-07 09:22:49
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SO PLEASE DONT YOU DARE COMPARING YOU GUYS WITH US EVER AGAIN !!!! ... or i flame you to death, i swear .....

LOL. I was going to post a long and elaborate reply, but after seeing the last paragraph, I started to think "why bother?"

Your are hopeless, Christian. It's sad to see you degenerated so far into blind obsession about Matroska and CoreCodec.

Good luck on your crusade. I'm off.

Farewell;

Roberto.
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Post by: ChristianHJW on 2003-08-07 09:41:25
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Your are hopeless, Christian. It's sad to see you degenerated so far into blind obsession about Matroska and CoreCodec.  Good luck on your crusade. I'm off. Farewell; Roberto.

LOL .... degenerated  !

Farewell Roberto .....

One last word about my 'crusade' : I am grown up enough to know 2 things :

1. You cant establish a new, open standard by making the clown in an IRC channel for a limited number of geeks, telling them funny stories about your wife and your 2 GF's .

2. Different to you, i am living in a country where software patents may be acknowledged one day, so i maybe have a different motivation to help establishing free alternative standards than you have, and my point of view about suporting patented standards from big license conglomerations may be a lot different than yours.

3. We cared a lot about getting perfect AAC support in all our projects recently, mainly because of the very friendly reactions from the Ahead people with respect to our project. But that doesnt mean we have completely forgot about MPC, believe me ... we just have a different focus for the time being, but thats only a matter of setting the necessary priorities to get where we want to get, and in shortest possible time ....

Think about that, if you care .....
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Post by: rjamorim on 2003-08-07 09:51:04
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1. You cant establish a new, open standard by making the clown in an IRC channel for a limited number of geeks, telling them funny stories about your wife and your 2 GF's .

LOL. Sorry, but I had to reply to this.

So, you are saying I have a wife? And two girlfriends???

Oh, man, Natalie will surely get mad when she notices the truth is out. :B

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3. We cared a lot about getting perfect AAC support in all our projects recently, mainly because of the very friendly reactions from the Ahead people with respect to our project. But that doesnt mean we have completely forgot about MPC, believe me ... we just have a different focus for the time being, but thats only a matter of setting the necessary priorities to get where we want to get, and in shortest possible time ....


Man, I see you didn't get it at all. <sigh>

I _really_ have the utmost respect for the CoreCodec team. Actually I recently had a very profitable e-mail talk with one of yours, about the CoreAAC directshow filter and whatnot.

Can't you notice that it's you and your spamming behaviour that I can't stand? I have no probblem at all with the CoreCodec team, really.

And, as for MPC support: Go for it. It's an excellent format for mid/high bitrates, and very appropiate for video purposes since it requires few CPU for playback. IMO it's an excellent choice, really.

Regards;

Me.
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Post by: BlackSun on 2003-08-07 09:56:52
could you guys stop that ? I'm doing TCMP and CoreCodec as a hobby and investing myself in helping people. This doesn't deserve a flamewar between TCMP and Radlight. I don't like kekso for sure with his low comment, a guy that think only about being better than the other guys.

But I like a lot Radscorpion, Hackbart and Davenger. You guys should have seen the propaganda video from the Radlight team with the white board saying 'acquire TCMP'  Well, it was fun even if we can saw some personnal attacks like 'Bones HJW', it was surely meant to be fun but I didn't find it fun myself.

I'm going back to my code now, after reading such nice comments: http://www.corecoded.com/modules.php?op=mo...viewtopic&t=342 (http://www.corecoded.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=342)

regards from France
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Post by: rpop on 2003-08-07 10:04:15
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Thank god i never write long posts      .....


 
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Post by: ChristianHJW on 2003-08-07 10:07:12
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So, you are saying I have a wife? And two girlfriends???  Oh, man, Natalie will surely get mad when she notices the truth is out. :B


    ... Roberto, you should know i was not talking about you. While you are certainly a big helper for MPEG4 audio, you are certainly not the one to establish this as a standard ... insiders know who i was talking about.

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Man, I see you didn't get it at all. <sigh>
I _really_ have the utmost respect for the CoreCodec team. Actually I recently had a very profitable e-mail talk with one of yours, about the CoreAAC directshow filter and whatnot.


Good. You wonna help the Corecodec community ? TCMP Premium and the few donations we get are the only possible source of revenues for it.
How wise is it to confirm the main Radlight advertiser by calling his reply, which was completely missing the point of the post before BTW, a 'Great reply', however anoyed you may have been about my post before ( man, just ignore me if you cant stand me, its not difficult), thus putting the whole Corecodec venture on the same level than a profit orientated company trying to sell a player to earn money, and only that ?

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Can't you notice that it's you and your spamming behaviour that I can't stand? I have no probblem at all with the CoreCodec team, really.


Make your own board, and ban me from there if you dont like the way i am doing things. I am talking to one of the owners of this board here every now and then, to find out if i am about to cross a border i shouldnt cross. Until today, i havent received any warnings from him, so i will continue doing what i am doing, until this is happening.

But please Roberto, stop trying to make my posts look bad or whatever, or i can consider doing the same with some of yours also. If you dont like what i am saying, put me on 'ignore' one of yours, about the CoreAAC directshow filter and whatnot.[/quote]

Good. You wonna help the Corecodec community ? TCMP Premium and the few donations we get are the only possible source of revenues for it.
How wise is it to confirm the main Radlight advertiser by calling his reply, which was completely missing the point of the post before BTW, a 'Great reply', however anoyed you may have been about my post before ( man, just ignore me if you cant stand me, its not difficult), thus putting the whole Corecodec venture on the same level than a profit orientated company trying to sell a player to earn money, and only that ?

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Can't you notice that it's you and your spamming behaviour that I can't stand? I have no probblem at all with the CoreCodec team, really.


Make your own board, and ban me from there if you dont like the way i am doing things. I am talking to one of the owners of this board here every now and then, to find out if i am about to cross a border i shouldnt cross. Until today, i havent received any warnings from him, so i will continue doing what i am doing, until this is happening.

But please Roberto, stop trying to make my posts look bad or whatever, or i can consider doing the same with some of yours also. If you dont like what i am saying, put me on 'ignore' , Invision board should be able to do that.

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And, as for MPC support: Go for it. It's an excellent format for mid/high bitrates, and very appropiate for video purposes since it requires few CPU for playback. IMO it's an excellent choice, really.


Rest assured, we will ....