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Topic: Secure Ripping - A thing from the past? (Read 3309 times) previous topic - next topic
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Secure Ripping - A thing from the past?

During the past nine years I have ripped thousands of cds using several different drives.

I had major problems with a Plextor 32TSi that could not rip properly even in secure mode.
I used up three Plextor 40TSi with both EAC and Plextools in secure mode.
I had a newer Plextor that could not rip anything remotely scratched and a Pioneer DVDR that could not rip anything all.

Yesterday I decided I wanted to quantify how much secure ripping helps. I currently have a Plextor PX810-SA (an modern expensive drive) and an ASUS 16Xmax (an older inexpensive drive).


TEST 1: Ripping a moderately scratched disc that gave me problems in the past.

Plextor:
- Ripped 5x with EAC burst mode.
- Ripped 1x with EAC secure mode.
- Ripped 5x with dbPowerAMP burst mode.
- Ripped 5x with Plextools (remover most errors).

ASUS:
- Ripped 5x with EAC burst mode.
- Ripped 1x with EAC secure mode.
- Ripped 5x with dbPowerAMP burst mode.

AccurateRip reported all rips accurate for EAC and dbPoweramp.
All 5 Plextools rips were identical.
No errors reported in any programs.


TEST 2: Ripping a CD-R burned at 52X.

Plextor:
- Ripped 5x with EAC burst mode.
- Ripped 1x with EAC secure mode.
- Ripped 5x with dbPowerAMP burst mode.
- Ripped 5x with Plextools (remover most errors).

ASUS:
- Ripped 5x with EAC burst mode.
- Ripped 1x with EAC secure mode.
- Ripped 5x with dbPowerAMP burst mode.

All EAC rips were identical.
All dbPowerAMP rips were identical.
All Plextools rips were identical.
No errors reported in any programs.


TEST 3: Ripping a badly scratched CD-R.

Plextor:
- Ripped 5x with EAC burst mode.
- Attempted to rip 1x with EAC secure mode.
- Ripped 5x with dbPowerAMP burst mode.
- Ripped 5x with Plextools (remover most errors).

ASUS:
- Ripped 5x with EAC burst mode.
- Attempted to rip 1x with EAC secure mode.
- Ripped 5x with dbPowerAMP burst mode.

All rips were different. I gave up on both secure rips after it stalled for 30 minutes.
EAC reported a few random timing errors in two of the rips.
Plextools reported 0 errors.


TEST 4: Ripping disc from TEST1 after inflicting two heavy scratches.

Same results as TEST 1. Not even a slowdown in reading.


TEST 5: Ripping disc from TEST4 after inflicting another heavy scratches.

About the same results as TEST 3.
Secure ripping stalls forever.
Burst mode gives different data for each rip.
No errors reported except for a few Timing Errors in EAC.
Additionally I discovered dbPowerAmps secure ripping mode and gave it a try. It too took forever and I had to stop it.


Conclusion?

It seems that Plextools has no advantages with this modern Plextor drive. It does not detect/report any errors.

I was unable to get a single misread in burst mode for tests 1, 2 and 4 - a total of 75 rips.
In the cases where the scratches were too severe, secure mode only managed to show that the disc could not be ripped securely.

So do we really need secure mode anymore or is it very drive dependent?

Secure Ripping - A thing from the past?

Reply #2 –
That are very interesting results! I use burst + AccurateRip, fallback EAC secure, for a while now. The story could probably look very different with different drive's, though.

Isn't Plextor superiority itself a thing from the past? Do they even still build drives themselves?
 

Secure Ripping - A thing from the past?

Reply #3 –
Quote from: rpp3po on
Isn't Plextor superiority itself a thing from the past? Do they even still build drives themselves?


That is my personal impression, too. Their last CD-RW drive is the Plextor Premium2 and the last true Plextor DVD-RW drive is the PX-760. All units released after that are rebranded LGs or Philips / BenQ.