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  • guruboolez
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Reply #50
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I'd say it's probably a good bet that the Vorbis psymodel is superior to LAME's, but you don't see the LAME guys using it, do you?
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Sorry, but I tried to be ironic, but with my limited skill in english...

People want MPC psymodel to be put in other format mostly because MPC was considered (and indeed was) superior to other lossy format. But now that MPC has no particular winning card anymore, by following the same logic, people should start to say that aoTuV psy-model is magic and should be put everywhere... And after aoTuV, what else? The serie is endless...

I'm naturally far to share those ideas. By the way, I'm not an expert in audiocoding and therefore can't give any advice to Aoyumi and Gabriel or Robert. And from what I've understand about lossy coding, psymodel is not the only aspect to polish if you want a good encoder.
That's why I think that similar requests are really naive
  • Last Edit: 23 August, 2005, 12:52:09 AM by guruboolez

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Reply #51
Well, yeah, most of the requests aren't going to amount to much, and probably the people making the requests don't really understand all of the complexities behind doing something like using the psymodel from one encoder in another encoder.

But, ultimately, I do think that LAME probably could see some benefit (how much, I don't know) from using a more advanced psymodel like those present in encoders for more state-of-the-art codecs.  Naoki was always trying to design a better psymodel than the one currently used in LAME, but he never finished (nspsytune2), so there was at least one (ex-?)developer that had similar feelings regarding room for improvement by using more advanced techniques.

But for this sort of thing to become realistic, both the psymodel for some other more advanced encoder would need to be made more accessible (more modular and more portable), and the LAME codebase would need to be modified to make easy use of such a thing.  Neither will probably happen anytime soon because of the amount of work involved and the lack of people who can spend time doing it.

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Naoki was always trying to design a better psymodel than the one currently used in LAME, but he never finished (nspsytune2), so there was at least one (ex-?)developer that had similar feelings regarding room for improvement by using more advanced techniques.


Good point. But Naoki hasn't end his project. Lake of time? of motivation? Or was it simply because he felt that a new psy-model can't do any miracle over the previous one (nspsytune or gpsycho)?

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...and the LAME codebase would need to be modified to make easy use of such a thing.  Neither will probably happen anytime soon because of the amount of work involved and the lack of people who can spend time doing it.

If I'm not wrong there's always one developer working on cleaning LAME code: takehiro and LAME 4. It's maybe too late for 3.9x to change but recent progress are here to prove that even without introducing a new psymodel there's still headrood for improvements in both speed and quality domain.

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Good point. But Naoki hasn't end his project. Lake of time? of motivation? Or was it simply because he felt that a new psy-model can't do any miracle over the previous one (nspsytune or gpsycho)? [a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=321952"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


More like issues with the Japanese culture, according to people close to him...
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I really hope that someday the LAME devs can talk to Frank Klemm and try to implement MPC's psychoachoustic model into LAME. That way we can have maximum compatibility and maximum quality .
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IIRC Frank Klemm in fact was one of the LAME developers for a short period of time, fruitlessly though (due to interpersonal reasons AFAIK - other developers couldn't agree with his ideas of improving LAME, so he put them in MPC). Someone correct me if I'm wrong 
As for using psycho-acoustic model, among other reasons mentioned above, I think that it doesn't happen because developers want to do and improve their own work instead of using someone elses stuff. Development is about creativity (especially in case of free products), copying things isn't very creative.
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As for using psycho-acoustic model, among other reasons mentioned above, I think that it doesn't happen because developers want to do and improve their own work instead of using someone elses stuff. Development is about creativity, copying things isn't very creative.[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=322138"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


Besides, Lame has its own psychoacoustic models already. MPC's one would be much better used in FAAC, that has pretty much no psymodel.
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Reply #56
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other developers couldn't agree with his ideas of improving LAME, so he put them in MPC

It was more related to the way to handle cooperative developement.

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Reply #57
Just donated! Hurray for the LAME dev team!
God knows how many CD's I've encoded with their superb tool and EAC!
Keep up the great work!
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Reply #58
ok, just donated  thanks again to the LAME developers for their work at creating one hell of an mp3 encoder  .

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Reply #59
I'm NOT placing blame here, but wonder if anyone else has had this experience:

I created a NEW Paypal account just for this donation. I used my Mastercard to do so.

Recently, this Mastercard had to be cancelled because someone else was trying to use it. Then, today, I got the spoofed email below from Paypal. Again, I don't believe this has anything to do with this donation (the email address it was sent to is not exactly the same as the one registered with paypal), but the timing and recent Mastercard fraud makes me want to "cover all bases"...

Thanks,

Mark

-- email from Paypal --
We recently have determined that different computers have logged in to your PayPal account, and multiple password failures were present before the login. One of our Customer Service employees has already tryed to telephonically reach you. As our employee did not manage to reach you, this email has been sent to your notice.
Therefore your account has been temporary suspended. We need you to confirm your identity in order to regain full privileges of your account.
If this is not completed by September 11, 2005, we reserve the right to terminate all privileges of your account indefinitly, as it may have been used for fraudulent purposes. We thank you for your cooperation in this manner.
To confirm your identity please follow the link below:


http://paypal.com/webscr.php?cmd=LogIn

Thank you for your patience in this matter.

PayPal - Customer Service

Please do not reply to this e-mail as this is only a notification. Mail sent to this address cannot be answered.
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Reply #60
I had a lot of fake spoofed paypal mails caugth by my spam filter, even if I have no paypal account right now.

I also think that the fact that you received it is just a coincidence, simply because those fake mails have been very widely sent.

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Reply #61
I get fake spoofed spam from eBay, PayPal, Amazon, and several brazilian authorities.
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Reply #62
I think the fact that we were already freaking out trying to figure out how anyone got our Mastercard and then, out of the blue (I only get ads for Viagra and the ilk -it has been several months since I got a phishing thing) comes this "notice" from Paypal. Paranoia set in.

Mark
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Reply #63
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  • takehiro
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Reply #64
Hi, All. I've got your appreciation. I am very surprised, excited, and happy about it.

Many people only complain about LAME. Some people say appreciation, but I feel it is only a compliment and I can not take it as it is.

But, with 668 US$ which is transferred to my bank account, I realize with no doubt, that many people love the LAME and appreciate, which I do never expect.

Thank you very much, Spoon, and all the donor. I really appreciate all the people who express the appreciation.
May the source be with you! // Takehiro TOMINAGA

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Reply #65
People tend to give feedback only when they find problems. After all, when everything works fine, there is no need to complain. So in a way a lack of feedback can be a good thing.  I'm sure for every person that says something bad about LAME, there are at least 1000 people that are very happy with it. It just won't hurt to say it from time to time. So, thanks again to the LAME dev team, we very much appreciate all your hard work.
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Reply #66
Ok, so here goes what i would consider "goes without saying":

My personal opinion is that mp3 will not go away - i asume that it will stay the main lossy audioformat until someday lossy is not used anymore. Sure, there are other more modern alternatives, those IMHO will only have a major marketshare in narrowband scenarios(below 100kbit). Thus, mp3 will stay the main lossy format (please dont start a discussion about this in this thread, i'm just mentioning my opinion to explain the reasons why i think lame is more important that most people are aware of).

And concerning mp3, lame is the encoder which is pushing the limits of the format even further. And because lossy in mid-to-high-bitrate scenarios IMHO will stay in the grip of mp3, lame is also the encoder which pushes lossy audio encoding for the mainstream forward.

So, lame IMHO is not just a significant force behind mp3...... it is and imho will stay the main force behind lossy audio encoding.
  • Last Edit: 23 October, 2005, 02:54:28 PM by Lyx
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