I have just been banished from Computer Audiophile. Is that a good thing. Are the people here nice?
I have just been banished from Computer Audiophile. Is that a good thing. Are the people here nice?
Don't make audio claims without objective evidence and you'll do just fine. Mind sharing why you were banished?
Are the people here nice?
They are when you don't make claims they know to be wrong.
Anyone who comes here with an open mind will do just fine.
I have just been banished from Computer Audiophile. Is that a good thing. Are the people here nice?
Don't make audio claims without objective evidence and you'll do just fine. Mind sharing why you were banished?
I created a thread called "The Great Cable and Interconnect Swindle: An Etiology". Its purpose was to explore the evolution of the scam. Its a very interesting topic from a psychological perspective. Non well received over there I'm afraid. Can you talk about it over here?
I created a thread called "The Great Cable and Interconnect Swindle: An Etiology". Its purpose was to explore the evolution of the scam. Its a very interesting topic from a psychological perspective. Non well received over there I'm afraid. Can you talk about it over here?
Oh yeah. The high end audio cable "industry" must have made the most lucrative advantage of auditory placebo effect of any scam in all history. Is your thread still up there, if so post a link I'd be interested to read it.
Just had a peep over there:
I have upsampled over 400 CDs'.
It isn't like studio master naturally but it is definitely an improvement over 16/44.1 files.
I upsample to 24/88.2 and find it better than 24/96. The software is free and very good. The only disadvantage was, I had to upgrade 1 TB HDD.
I created a thread called "The Great Cable and Interconnect Swindle: An Etiology". Its purpose was to explore the evolution of the scam. Its a very interesting topic from a psychological perspective. Non well received over there I'm afraid. Can you talk about it over here?
Oh yeah. The high end audio cable "industry" must have made the most lucrative advantage of auditory placebo effect of any scam in all history. Is your thread still up there, if so post a link I'd be interested to read it.
Here is the link.
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-gener...etiology-12488/ (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-general-forum/great-cable-and-interconnect-swindle-etiology-12488/)
They kept picking on me and calling me a Drongo cause I couldn't hear stuff that was supposed to come out the ends of their stupid cables.
I created a thread called "The Great Cable and Interconnect Swindle: An Etiology". Its purpose was to explore the evolution of the scam. Its a very interesting topic from a psychological perspective. Non well received over there I'm afraid. Can you talk about it over here?
Yeah ... although someone might suspect that you are really an infiltrating agent for the placebo-eating audionuts, sent here with instructions to
'win their trust by saying something bad about cables'
From the thread (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-general-forum/great-cable-and-interconnect-swindle-etiology-12488/) [which I assume it is OK for me to link to by all):
"The trouble with just blind (rather than double blind) is that it is so open to things going wrong. Factors that you wouldn't even suspect can come into play. Small seemingly insignificant cues than throw the whole thing. You need very well thought out experimental design to eliminate these. Double blind protocol is an absolute must....
It is beyond the resources of most individuals to do the above type of testing. It should be a requirement that anyone selling this stuff submit it to an independent agency to test, and those tests be made public. This should be done before it is released for sale. This is not happening atm, and is basically the cause of this whole fiasco."
I think most here will agree with the gist of the need for double blind testing, but the expectation that manufacturers actually adhere to this seems an unrealistic expectation, in my opinion, considering almost none that I know of, in the history of all audio, ever have.
[Possible exceptions: Carver (in a weird sense), Halfler, Peter Walker of Quad, off the top of my head, regarding mostly amps, not wire, but I would need more time to research the matter which I don't have at the moment].
Concern trolling accusations again? :-/
I created a thread called "The Great Cable and Interconnect Swindle: An Etiology". Its purpose was to explore the evolution of the scam. Its a very interesting topic from a psychological perspective. Non well received over there I'm afraid. Can you talk about it over here?
Yeah ... although someone might suspect that you are really an infiltrating agent for the placebo-eating audionuts, sent here with instructions to 'win their trust by saying something bad about cables'
I called them names at the end. Told them they girlie men.
Concern trolling accusations again? :-/
I guess its hard to tell people they are hearing things. They get offended and reckon you are a troll.
I created a thread called "The Great Cable and Interconnect Swindle: An Etiology". Its purpose was to explore the evolution of the scam. Its a very interesting topic from a psychological perspective. Non well received over there I'm afraid. Can you talk about it over here?
You'll fit in here just fine, I'd imagine. I actually laughed out loud when I read this. And yes, if there's a place to discuss this sort of thing objectively and scientifically, it'd be here.
Its a funny place over there. Many posters have their cables and interconnects proudly listed at the bottom of their posts. They often talk about them with passion and conviction.
I created a thread called "The Great Cable and Interconnect Swindle: An Etiology". Its purpose was to explore the evolution of the scam. Its a very interesting topic from a psychological perspective. Non well received over there I'm afraid. Can you talk about it over here?
Oh yeah. The high end audio cable "industry" must have made the most lucrative advantage of auditory placebo effect of any scam in all history. Is your thread still up there, if so post a link I'd be interested to read it.
Here is the link.
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-gener...etiology-12488/ (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-general-forum/great-cable-and-interconnect-swindle-etiology-12488/)
They kept picking on me and calling me a Drongo cause I couldn't hear stuff that was supposed to come out the ends of their stupid cables.
I looked in there a little. 100% predictable in the general sense.
Couldn't read the whole thing without encountering an odd combination of sleepiness and nausea. Waste of time...
I was dumped from Steve Hoffman forum for being too skeptical about Barry Diament and his 'audiophile' products.
I created a thread called "The Great Cable and Interconnect Swindle: An Etiology". Its purpose was to explore the evolution of the scam. Its a very interesting topic from a psychological perspective. Non well received over there I'm afraid. Can you talk about it over here?
I'm a huge lurker here but I had to say, that's hilarious. You should cross-post that to Head-Fi, I'm sure they'll appreciate it just as much as the original intended audience.
head-fi the place I once saw people calling $3800 re-cables for IEM's a "great buy" (not kidding...long ago but still...)
head-fi the place where buying an audio player for $800 that has roll-off worse then a $30 coby.... (http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54879)
head-fi the place where people say the s:flo2 is an amazing buy....with its 15hrs of battery life, horrible firmware and "squishy" screen.
I could go on, the site the OP was banned from looks like a PC Audio version of head-fi....
please dont think I hate all people at head-fi,there are 5-6 people I reaspect there Joker's multi-iem review (http://www.head-fi.org/t/478568/multi-iem-review-244-iems-compared-yamaha-eph-100-monster-miles-davis-trumpet-added-06-19-12) and ClieOS's IEM reivew thread (http://www.head-fi.org/t/541204/concise-multi-iem-comparison-rha-ma-350-added-june-23th-2012) are must reads before buying a new set of IEM's for example, and are as unbias as a person can be(in my honest opinion they are anyway)
honestly, Head-Fi banned me for countering fanboi stuff about the s:flo2 being wonderful and all sansa players being crap(theres a faction over there who really hate anything cheap and good...lol)
that place STILL makes me laugh with reviews of cables that cost thousands of dollars ment to recable headphones that cost hundreds of dollars......and people saying they are worth every penny....oh, my advice, never say anything negative about any of their sponsors, its a sure ticket to bannsville.
I created a thread called "The Great Cable and Interconnect Swindle: An Etiology". Its purpose was to explore the evolution of the scam. Its a very interesting topic from a psychological perspective. Non well received over there I'm afraid. Can you talk about it over here?
Welcome to Hydrogenaudio!
Wow! I just realized I've been here for 10 years!
prufrock, I share your frustrations and instead of generating more endless debate on the merry-go-round I would like to submit that all our efforts be channelled together. I spent quite some time trying to find ‘evidence’ either way in the cable debate and came up with zero. There does not seem to be any ABX testing out there that debunks the various myths surrounding ‘enhanced’ cables and interconnects. Of course, when you look at the number of products and all of the advertising blurb it would be an overwhelming task. There is however references and links to the Russ Andrews Accessories false advertising claim in the UK. Which is a lonely win! There are older links around to the James Randi challenge, but in mho there needs to be a concerted effort to challenge the manufacturers/sellers of products to conduct credible ABX testing to prove their claims. Surely there are enough smart people here in HA to author an irresistible open challenge to manufacturers, maybe in the same way as the claims are themselves scripted to avoid the courts. This could be, with the necessary permissions displayed prominently on the HA site along with the number of days that the challenges have been ignored. The incentive for any prospective organization taking up the challenge of course is that should any claims be proven most if not all of us would have to rethink our positions.
I read a few pages of the CA thread. It starts out well enough, as such threads tend to, and some of the expensive cable owners who chimed in seemed fairly reasonable, actually. Then came the inevitable devolution, which is about where I lost interest. Standard fare, really.
My perspective on these products is this: if you like buying expensive cables, buy expensive cables. Are high-end manufacturers like Nordost scamming consumers? You betcha. Does this concern me overly? Not really. I wouldn't voluntarily put myself in any position to attempt to explore the subject any further. Suffice it to say, if you intend to play the role of the sheep in the wolf's den, you get what you get. That's not to say that a ban was deserved, but expectations being as they are and so forth...
In any case, I don't think you'll have much trouble finding a home here.
There does not seem to be any ABX testing out there that debunks the various myths surrounding ‘enhanced’ cables and interconnects.
....nor will there ever be as that is not the purpose of an ABX test.
[?] The incentive for any prospective organization taking up the challenge of course is that should any claims be proven most if not all of us would have to rethink our positions.
I suspect such manufacturers know as well as we do that their claims will not be verified. Why on Earth, then, would they agree to a test? Most of the time, they don?t even bother to acknowledge criticism, never mind to respond in kind. I think you?re going overboard with ?assuming good faith?, as Wikipedia might put it.
Its a funny place over there. Many posters have their cables and interconnects proudly listed at the bottom of their posts. They often talk about them with passion and conviction.
Jewellery. Expensive stuff to display their affluence and social status. Nothing more, nothing less.
Its a funny place over there. Many posters have their cables and interconnects proudly listed at the bottom of their posts. They often talk about them with passion and conviction.
Jewellery. Expensive stuff to display their affluence and social status. Nothing more, nothing less.
Its all a bit scary. I feel lucky to have escaped. You dont have to list all your gear under your post here do you?.
The length of signatures is limited in order to prevent such silliness.
From the other place...
"I see that prufrock has had a very warm welcome over at Hydrogen Audio"
"I am so glad that prufrock has a found a place where his viewpoint will be reinforced... I am
sure those folks will prove that cables do not matter at all."
Bless 'Em. We don't need to try.
"I am not saying DBT's have no value and the issues they attempt to address are not real. I am simply saying for some reason in audio there is a group that harp on about them but in other settings people accept the results of tests of a less rigorous nature. It wouldn't be so bad if not for the fact DBT's to the standard of the naysayers are difficult, costly and time consuming to set up. And to make matters worse when a DBT does not go their way I have even seen it where rather than accept it they try to find flaws in the methodology. One can't help but get the feeling they are not after the truth but merely want confirmation of preconceived ideas."
It's really simple. Statistically significant DBT results in a fair test would prove an audible difference in that test. It's never happened with cables that measure "the same". The rational conclusion is that they sound the same - even if you can create a placebo inducing sighted test to convince your ears otherwise.
The idea that people here don't listen is kind of ironic, given that a single DBT requires more careful listening (not watching, not assuming, not wallowing in the marketing/size/colour/reputation - just listening) than some people do in their lifetime.
Remember that. Most people have never listened without prejudice. Most people have never listened without knowing what they were listening to. Yet despite decades of research proving that you can't be an unbiased listener like this, they still think their opinion should be listened to.
Scary. Good job medicine isn't allowed to work like this any more!
Cheers,
David.
they still think their opinion should be listened to.
Have you ever successfully ABX'd these opinions?
Scary more so given that quite a few of look like professional types. Doctors, lawyers, academics etc. I only ever went onto their site to get some help with DACs, DDCs, Laptops, player software etc for computer audio. The deluded appeared and then you have a choice: ignore it and by proxy condone it: or reality test and cop the flack.
That place is a living breathing example of how intelligence/privilege alone doesn't keep you safe from woolly thinking. The status thing seems to encourage intellectual arrogance that makes them even more susceptible.
While I mostly agree with pufrock's post & points of view on CA, I also like honesty. For the record and if this has not changed recently, I would like to mention that pufrock
has not been banned or banished from CA. Here is what Chris C. writes:
Hi prufrock - After reading, and removing, your post about Scientology and Scientologists it's very obvious you have a major axe to grind with many people who think differently than you. Your goal of saving newbies from purchasing a product you don't like or don't believe in is the identical front 99% of people in your shoes hide behind.
I believe Hydrogen Audio is the perfect place for you to express yourself, minus the religious statements.
I always encourage opposing views here at CA. But your abrasive argumentative tone and facade of saving people from themselves (who likely don't want to be "saved") is getting old. Everything discussed in this thread has been discussed countless times in other threads here on CA and dozens of other sites. No new ground has been covered in this very strangely titled thread. Covering new ground isn't a prerequisite for continuing threads here at CA but when your goal is to talk newbies into believing what you believe purhaps you should mention items that they haven't read several times. There is no way a newbie can read this thread and glean anything helpful. It's much more likely you've just rallied your base and vice versa.
Your idea to write a blog summary of this could be helpful. But, as all of the ideas and beliefs discussed here have been discussed many many times, you could have used Google to find all this information and all the old arguments in less than 0.002 seconds.
If you're here at CA to contribute or learn something I encourage you to stay and help grow this wonderful community dedicated to our wonderful hobby. If your motives are antithetical to contributing and learning you can move on to another site.
Regardless of what anyone might think of CA, I fail to see why one should post rather immature messages on this forum, even though the local crowd might nod their heads in agreement.
Sorry pufrock, but his type of behavior makes no sense to me and is quite disappointing!
Peter
Regardless of what anyone might think of CA, I fail to see why one should post rather immature messages on this forum, even though the local crowd might nod their heads in agreement.
That's been the only requirement in the past. You can post anything you like when everyone agrees with you.
Regardless of what anyone might think of CA, I fail to see why one should post rather immature messages on this forum, even though the local crowd might nod their heads in agreement.
That's been the only requirement in the past. You can post anything you like when everyone agrees with you.
But does that make one's posting all "A-OK"? I (obviously) have another opinion ...
Yawn... pufrock should get out more, period.
I was dumped from Steve Hoffman forum for being too skeptical about Barry Diament and his 'audiophile' products.
Audioquest advertise on CA. If you go to the CA C.A.S.H list ( Hardware) you find links to Hardware sites and reviews. Nothing on cables though. If you need to find out anything regarding them, you ask on the forum. Fortunately there are plenty there only too willing to help you in this regard.
Who are the sponsors here?
Regardless of what anyone might think of CA, I fail to see why one should post rather immature messages on this forum, even though the local crowd might nod their heads in agreement.
That's been the only requirement in the past. You can post anything you like when everyone agrees with you.
To quote DARcode, “Yawn...” JJZolx takes another opportunity to whine about HA in a way that is just vague enough that no actual argument need be advanced.
Yes, how awful that a forum about common interests should occasionally converge upon common opinions!
Who are the sponsors here?
There are none. The most Hydrogenaudio has had was ads by Google, but it no longer does.
[/quote]There are none.
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That's a shame. I wont be able to click on Audioquest and dream about that pair of $58,800 cables presently on offer.
JJZolx takes another opportunity to whine about HA in a way that is just vague enough that no actual argument need be advanced.
What I stated is pretty much true of any forum. HA is no better or worse.
Audioquest advertise on CA. If you go to the CA C.A.S.H list ( Hardware) you find links to Hardware sites and reviews. Nothing on cables though. If you need to find out anything regarding them, you ask on the forum. Fortunately there are plenty there only too willing to help you in this regard.
Who are the sponsors here?
What is it that makes sponsoring so evil? Anyone that can do the math on 1+1=2 can see that CA is making money out of site-sponsoring. It is the way Chris Conaker makes money, and I can see nothing wrong with that. In fact, I can only admire Chris for being able to turn a hobby into something that provides an income, allows him to travel around to various audio-shows, run the site and write reviews. Good for him!
As for the reviews on CA... They are just like any other review in magazines. Personally I place doubts in any review of any audio-gear done by all reviewers. Simply because I have no knowledge of their "state" while reviewing or writing down their experiences. Maybe they have been partying too hard last night, had a fight with their wife or girlfriend... Or maybe they had the best sex they had in years the night before, or won the megabucks lottery.
The common thought here is that well-constructed gear all sounds the same, so it is not a strange thought that reviews one reads anywhere are mostly based on the previously mentioned "state" of a reviewer.
Peter
This prufrock is a quite funny guy , posting at hydrogenaudio that he was been banned at computer audiophile,
and posting at computer audiophile he was banned at hydrogenaudio.
Just a screenshot, in case the guy decide to edit his post meanwhile
(http://i50.tinypic.com/m7s1t3.jpg)
And the link to the post:
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-gener...html#post166216 (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-general-forum/procedural-suggestion-ad-hominem-rule-12575/index3.html#post166216)
So, who is laughing now ?
Scary more so given that quite a few of look like professional types. Doctors, lawyers, academics etc.
You'd be surprised how many engineers and lawyers believe the earth (and the universe!) is less than 10,000 years old. The "God Hates F*gs" hateful family sect is full of lawyers, for example. You don't even need to be a professional scientist, only have a minimum amount of knowledge of how science works, which unfortunately most people don't.
That place is a living breathing example of how intelligence/privilege alone doesn't keep you safe from woolly thinking. The status thing seems to encourage intellectual arrogance that makes them even more susceptible.
It's called the Dunning-Kruger effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect).
This prufrock is a quite funny guy , posting at hydrogenaudio that he was been banned at computer audiophile,
and posting at computer audiophile he was banned at hydrogenaudio.
Just a screenshot, in case the guy decide to edit his post meanwhile
http://i50.tinypic.com/m7s1t3.jpg (http://i50.tinypic.com/m7s1t3.jpg)
And the link to the post:
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-gener...html#post166216 (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-general-forum/procedural-suggestion-ad-hominem-rule-12575/index3.html#post166216)
So, who is laughing now ?
You misunderstand. He said "banished
to" HA, as opposed to the title of this thread "banished
from Computer Audiophile". Also, notice he's asking if we're a bunch of girlie men, which really, I don't see how that would matter.
Hypothetically, would a thread here in HA GA that was criticizing a thread at AVSforum about expensive component video cables, still be in GA?
I guess what I'm saying is that I think we're really stretching the definition of general audio..
It's not and will be moved after I finish this post.
As andy o said, extrabigmehdi misunderstood prufrock’s post; he wasn’t telling CA an analogous story about being banned by HA.
Also, notice he's asking if we're a bunch of girlie men, which really, I don't see how that would matter.
I seem to recall him saying that he called CA “girlie men” after getting frustrated with them, so I guess that’s just him continuing the, er, joke.
Finally:
Here is some sample text from the 'Listening Tests' subforum:
"all the usual bull those of the golden ear persuasion come up with"
Envy is a terrible thing, right? I guess that’s how woo-heads reassure themselves that they’re right and that they’re too intelligent to stoop to the level of actually substantiating their opinions. It’s a funny world where “golden ear”, presumably implying good and/or trained hearing, can be used as an insult without voluntary irony on the part of the person speaking.
thesurfingalien:
"Regardless of what anyone might think of CA, I fail to see why one should post rather immature messages on this forum, even though the local crowd might nod their heads in agreement.
Sorry pufrock, but his type of behavior makes no sense to me and is quite disappointing!
Peter "
... immature? Sorry, I was just trying to be funny. The girlie- men was just a poke at that great Actor and Statesman, Arnold Schwarzwartenegger. I am no homophobe. Drongo is an Australian term for idiot, but you would have to be from there to appreciate all the connotations.
"What is it that makes sponsoring so evil? Anyone that can do the math on 1+1=2 can see that CA is making money out of site-sponsoring. It is the way Chris Conaker makes money, and I can see nothing wrong with that. In fact, I can only admire Chris for being able to turn a hobby into something that provides an income, allows him to travel around to various audio-shows, run the site and write reviews. Good for him!"
I don't have a problem with advertising. Its more about leadership, guidance and credibility. When he told me to
get off his site, the main reason given was that the topic I was discussing, (the cable/interconnect scam), was old and tired and had been covered many times. Why then is there nothing in the Hardware section on his site that deals with problem? If this was a constant and recurring issue, why not some guidance for the punters instead of just chucking them in with the sharks? I could write such a section in a few minutes. All it needs is a few words steering them away from expensive cables/interconnects and towards things that matter like speakers, room correction etc.
If you had a site like that, wouldn't you want to be guiding and protecting newcomers from the scammers?
His assertion that I was abrasive and argumentative is garbage. I only ever play the ball, not the man. I never respond to personal attacks.
No, basically he wanted me off the site because I was digging into the whole cable scam. Audioquest wouldn't like that. It might affect sales of their select speaker cable line at $58,800 a pair.
You are welcome to his site. It stinks.
FWIW, "Chris" tried being a member of our community. While he stopped posting before too long, he's still free to post here.
Anyway, while looking through previous discussions I ran across this one for giggles:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=11442 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11442)
Cheers for the link. A great thread with some very well argued points. Had no idea this place existed. Was beginning to think all audio land was stuffed full of wooheads (love that term)
Many new/inexperienced over at CA are getting a raw deal. I am a noob as well, but have a background in other areas that enabled me to cut through the bull. There are some very good posters over there, but they are burnt out and overwhelmed by the sheer volume of rubbish. The woolly thinkers have very loud and frequent voices. No attempt is made to curtail their nonsense. Just keep the sponsor happy and sell more cables.
Anyhow I'll shutup for a while and do some site reading. Looks to be plenty of good stuff on offer. Thanks for the welcome.
The girlie- men was just a poke at that great Actor and Statesman, Arnold Schwarzwartenegger. I am no homophobe.
Just an off-topic note. Many (possibly even most) of us who sometimes engage in some form of cross dressing and would be referred to as `girlie-men' are actually heterosexual.
It's a very common mis-conception.
Metrosexuals, sweet transvestites, its all good mate. The link below gives a good definition of a girlie-man.
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=arnold+s...29,r:0,s:0,i:70 (http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=arnold+schwarzenegger+pictures+girly+men&hl=en&biw=1600&bih=775&tbm=isch&tbnid=QbOh2qN2s73xoM:&imgrefurl=http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2011/03/schwarzenegger-and-lee-rule-with.html&docid=DJqQH_Lv5CqLQM&imgurl=http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-suWUe4F96gA/TZP3SaU0b3I/AAAAAAAA19s/lKB0rz8_JiA/s1600/2994758540_7431d0b5b0_o.jpg&w=504&h=576&ei=SQESUMaWB-6OiAf-8oCgCA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=180&vpy=134&dur=96&hovh=240&hovw=210&tx=100&ty=84&sig=114447484985602450968&page=1&tbnh=149&tbnw=129&start=0&ndsp=40&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:70)
What's not good though are Woo-Heads. Have almost completed the debriefing/deprogramming from that other site. Feeling almost normal again.
Its a weird experience eh. It was like going to an auto shop to get a vehicle part and being taken aside by a salesman who hits you with a whole heap of bizarro BS: "Sir, we can certainly sell you that cheap accelerator cable, but if you want truly great performance, this $1000 state of the art one is well worth it."
I mean if you went onto a homoeopathy or some new age website you would expect some weirdness. But all I wanted was advice on some machine parts.
Metrosexuals, sweet transvestites, its all good mate. The link below gives a good definition of a girlie-man.
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=arnold+s...29,r:0,s:0,i:70 (http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=arnold+schwarzenegger+pictures+girly+men&hl=en&biw=1600&bih=775&tbm=isch&tbnid=QbOh2qN2s73xoM:&imgrefurl=http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2011/03/schwarzenegger-and-lee-rule-with.html&docid=DJqQH_Lv5CqLQM&imgurl=http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-suWUe4F96gA/TZP3SaU0b3I/AAAAAAAA19s/lKB0rz8_JiA/s1600/2994758540_7431d0b5b0_o.jpg&w=504&h=576&ei=SQESUMaWB-6OiAf-8oCgCA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=180&vpy=134&dur=96&hovh=240&hovw=210&tx=100&ty=84&sig=114447484985602450968&page=1&tbnh=149&tbnw=129&start=0&ndsp=40&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:70)
So, I clicked through to the page whence the image was sourced – SNEAK PEEK: "The Governator": Schwarzenegger Fights The 'G.I.R.L.I.E. Men' (http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2011/03/schwarzenegger-and-lee-rule-with.html) – and, erm, well:
I’m surprised I hadn’t heard about that. I suppose I oughtn’t to be surprised by strange ideas – especially in comic books – but yeah, that’s definitely one! I did an additional bit of browsing to verify that the page’s date of 30 March was just a coincidence… which would have been more believable, actually!
What's not good though are Woo-Heads.
Ooh, have I started a new term here? I’m surprised it (according to another quick Googlin’) doesn’t seem to have had any immediately discoverable usage in this context. But yes, as you implied, the same kind of ‘thought’-processes do seem to apply to various flavours of pseudoscience, charlatanry, and exploitation of false hope. Let’s hope that, somewhere/sometime, there’s some kind of antidote of a similarly broad scope.
For those who may not have encountered it, as kids many of us would have put white sheets over our heads and tried to scare our siblings on a dark night by looking like a a ghost and crying Woo, Woo .
Perhaps an antidote could be this: any time a Woo-head speaks and departs from the path of reason, everyone should wave their arms like a ghost and cry out Woo, Woo.
Yikes. I know this thread is kind of zombie, but I took a look over there, and there are people actually claiming that the same file sounds different from a solid state drive opposed to a hard drive.
Um, in either case, aren't the one's and zero's read into memory before being sent to the sound card ??
Geez.
Yikes. I know this thread is kind of zombie, but I took a look over there, and there are people actually claiming that the same file sounds different from a solid state drive opposed to a hard drive.
And if you can blind that test, then you have likely found the appropriate hardware solution: a padded box
I have just been banished from Computer Audiophile. Is that a good thing. Are the people here nice?
Are your sure you were banished? Chris usually doesn't do that unless a poster becomes abusive or exceptionally unpleasant and I have seen nothing that you posted on that thread that meets either of those criteria. But, some of the denizens of CA can be pretty withering - especially if they believe that you are attacking their audio religion (for religion is what is this amounts to). You have to understand that these people believe their ears absolutely and have taken a stand on this issue from which they cannot and will not back away. Add to that the number of electrical engineers and physicists that have told them that what they think they hear really doesn't exist and they get pretty thin-skinned and hostile, and lash out at anybody who doesn't agree with them (try telling a "born-again" Christian that God doesn't exist, and you'll get the same result). I found that the secret of getting along with these people is simply to stick to the facts you know, and present your opinions clearly as your opinion. Then they won't attack you so vehemently. Remember, they are on pretty shaky ground with their religious belief in cable sound, and they know it.
At any rate, for the record, I agree with you. The notion of cable sound is in MHO, pure balderdash. It can't be measured and the physics says that there is nothing one can do to actual wire that would have the slightest affect on any parameters that characterize speaker cables or interconnects in the lengths commonly used for home audio systems.