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Help ripping a hidden track with EAC

The album I'm ripping has a secret track. You rewind the CD at track 1. In EAC, track one is in red and says it starts at 0:01:55.20

Is there a way to rip the hidden  track?

Help ripping a hidden track with EAC

Reply #1
It's red in EAC because I believe the track starting at 0:01:55.20 breaks the CD standard since I believe that the first track is supposd to have a pregap of 2 seconds.

But I'm not sure how to rip that hidden track if there is one.

Help ripping a hidden track with EAC

Reply #2
Not sure if it's possible, but could you use the Copy Image & Create Cue sheet option to create an image and cue sheet, then edit the cue sheet to include the hidden track as track #1? Then you could load the image into EAC and split it using the new sheet?

Seems rather difficult and probably won't work, but you could try it.

Help ripping a hidden track with EAC

Reply #3
The only way you can get at it is to rip the entire image.  EAC can't rip hidden tracks in track mode that I know of.
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Help ripping a hidden track with EAC

Reply #4
The only way you can get at it is to rip the entire image.  EAC can't rip hidden tracks in track mode that I know of.


Is there a way to rip the hidden  track?
ABSOLUTELY!

1. Action menu, Detect Gaps (or press F4).
2. Select the first track (you know, the red one).
3. Action menu, Copy Selected Tracks Index-Based.

There is a caveat: some drives aren't capable of retrieving this data.

Synthetic Soul beat me to the edit.


Help ripping a hidden track with EAC

Reply #6
Thanks for the help. I got it ripped.

Help ripping a hidden track with EAC

Reply #7
It's red in EAC because I believe the track starting at 0:01:55.20 breaks the CD standard since I believe that the first track is supposd to have a pregap of 2 seconds.
Not true.  Wherever you read something like this, it was written by someone who has not seen the Red Book.  Track 01 pregap is a minimum of 2 seconds.  No maximum is set (other than perhaps 80 minutes less 2 or 4 seconds for the minimum track).  One section of the Red Book even says "2 to 3 seconds" (probably as a typical value, not a strict range).
Unfortunately, much CD-R firmware was written by engineers who did not look at the Red Book, either, but read the Cliff's Notes only.

Help ripping a hidden track with EAC

Reply #8
Unfortunately, much CD-R firmware was written by engineers who did not look at the Red Book, either, but read the Cliff's Notes only.

Blah. If you're trying to look smart with this kind of absurd statement, you'd better think again.

Help ripping a hidden track with EAC

Reply #9
Unfortunately, much CD-R firmware was written by engineers who did not look at the Red Book, either, but read the Cliff's Notes only.
Blah. If you're trying to look smart with this kind of absurd statement, you'd better think again.
Ok. Since I'm not trying to look smart, I don't really see the point of your post, unless you have some information to add.

What I am trying to express is frustration: frustration that firmware developers put needless restrictions in the capabilities of their drives, due to lack of proper documentation; and frustration that so many books and online descriptions of the CD Red Book get it wrong.

If you've got something to add to make me "think again," then please share. I'm completely serious.

Help ripping a hidden track with EAC

Reply #10
What I am trying to express is frustration: frustration that firmware developers put needless restrictions in the capabilities of their drives, due to lack of proper documentation

Frustration is one thing, claiming that firmware engineers added
limitations because of ignorance or lack of documentation is another.
The documentation is made by drive selling companies, so we
(firmware engineers working for these drive selling companies)
have all of it long before it is publicly available. There can be many
different reasons why some drives have limitations, but ignorance
or poor documentation is not one of them.
and frustration that so many books and online descriptions of the CD Red Book get it wrong.

Five years ago all websites and FAQs were describing ATIP
as a region at the beginning of each CD-R ; it took some time,
but after I repeated many many times the same thing people
updated their documents. If you're frustrated, act. Write technical
articles, email FAQs maintainers, and help improve the overall
situation.


 
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