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CD-R and Audio Hardware => CD Hardware/Software => Topic started by: ...Just Elliott on 2006-09-06 09:36:58

Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: ...Just Elliott on 2006-09-06 09:36:58
Okay, a friend is telling me that ripping CDs is violating fair use and the DCMA. Personally I don't believe this (and wouldn't care if it is true) - but I'm curious if it really is? I highly doubt it's illegal to rip your own CDs for personal use, but...
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: kjoonlee on 2006-09-06 09:48:45
The US has fair use, so you can rip CDs (that are unprotected by definition) without problems under US law.

Copy-corrupted discs can't be ripped without circumventing the copy-corruption, so it would technically be illegal from the DMCA standpoint, but as you say, who cares?

Korea doesn't have fair use, so all CD ripping is technically illegal, but that doesn't stop the DAP market from flourishing here.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: Hanky on 2006-09-06 09:59:56
Here in the Netherlands consumers are allowed to make copies of their music for personal use.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: vlada on 2006-09-06 10:02:25
Hanky
Are you sure? EU has a directive, that circumventing any copy protection is illegal.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: kjoonlee on 2006-09-06 10:04:39
But how many copy-protected discs are sold in the EU compared to normal CDs?
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: Tomb on 2006-09-06 10:10:57
It has just been recently clarified (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5053658.stm) in the UK that it is legal for personal use on portable devices and PC's. No mention of any copy protected CD's though.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: sshd on 2006-09-06 10:27:23
In Denmark we are allowed to make personal copies of normal CDs we own. After the copy is made we do not need to hang on to the original. We can sell it, give it away, loose it, etc. Copy is still legal because it was made from an owned original -- unless it is done systematically.

We may also bypass a copy protection scheme, but only if needed to play the media. Bypassing in order to make a copy is not allowed.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: MedO on 2006-09-06 10:52:38
In Germany, circumventing a copy protection is illegal, but ripping unprotected CDs in your posession (that includes CDs borrowed from a friend) is still perfectly legal for private, non-profit etc use.
Even better, you do not need an "original" disk for this, only a "legal" one, so copying from a legal copy is ok as well. Burning a CD and giving it to a friend is limited to close friends and relatives, but lending a CD to someone is legal, and then it's legal for him to copy it, anyway.
Even more bizarre, when you are allowed to copy a CD, you are also allowed to have someone do the copying for you. So copying a CD and giving it to someone is probably illegal, but when you lend the CD to him, and he hands it back and says "please copy this for me", this is legal. Crazy laws.

I do not take any responsibility should the information above be wrong. IANAL. I just read a deal about this topic and this is what I think is the situation.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: Cosmo on 2006-09-06 12:15:12
Screw the DMCA. Has anyone actually been prosecuted for ripping a copy protected audio CD? Laws don't really mean much if they're not enforced.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: DARcode on 2006-09-06 13:36:15
@MedO: I have dozens of audio CD's made in Germany and a good portion of them has fine print on the back cover saying landing isn't included in your rights.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: spoon on 2006-09-06 13:39:47
It could be argued that the Protection on copy protected cds it not really a protection (ie hold shift key to bypass it, is that really a viable copy protection).
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: jimmy69 on 2006-09-06 14:15:25
Gotta agree with cosmo here.  As long as your not trying to make any money off copied CD's who really cares about the laws.  The music industries around the world must realise that music is not only a private luxury but also social.  No matter what they do they will never stop music being copied and shared.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: MedO on 2006-09-06 14:40:38
@MedO: I have dozens of audio CD's made in Germany and a good portion of them has fine print on the back cover saying landing isn't included in your rights.


AFAIK this only applies for commercial lending, i.e. if you take money for it.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: pepoluan on 2006-09-06 15:19:17
It could be argued that the Protection on copy protected cds it not really a protection (ie hold shift key to bypass it, is that really a viable copy protection).
Except that some manufacturer has the brain to purposefully whack the low-level encoding of the CD in such a way that causes CD-ROM drives to fail reading the CD, while CD players can play them. But apparently, some self-error-correcting CD players fail to play the CD, making a ruckus.

In this case, the CD is blatantly violating the standard for CD's and is therefore already an illegitimate thing; IMO here the copyright law breaks down as I am in fact salvaging a broken thing.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: SebastianG on 2006-09-06 15:42:56
Copy-corrupted discs can't be ripped without circumventing the copy-corruption, so it would technically be illegal from the DMCA standpoint, but as you say, who cares?

As mentioned in another thread. Most of the new protection schemes in use don't mess up the audio session and comply with the standard. They're solely based on a software solution you don't need to run. Pressing the shift key under WinXP (or disabling autostart once and for all) or using Linux as operating system of choice cannot be considered "circumvention".

edit: grammar
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: JeanLuc on 2006-09-06 15:57:08
As mentioned in another thread. Most of the new protection schemes in use don't mess up the audio session and comply with the standard. They're solely based on a software solution you don't need to run. Pressing the shift key under WinXP (or disabling autostart once and for all) or using Linux as operating system of choice cannot be considered "circumvention".


Exactly ... the german copyright law only speaks of circumventing "working" protections by non-simple means.

If I fire up plextools on my premium (simple means) with a copy protected disc in it and plextools/premium are not affected by the protection scheme, then this CD doesn't contain a working protection. Easy as that ...
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: ...Just Elliott on 2006-09-06 16:01:23
I don't care about the legality myself, but I was curious if what he was saying is true. Seems not, thanks folks
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: MedO on 2006-09-06 16:10:02
As mentioned in another thread. Most of the new protection schemes in use don't mess up the audio session and comply with the standard. They're solely based on a software solution you don't need to run. Pressing the shift key under WinXP (or disabling autostart once and for all) or using Linux as operating system of choice cannot be considered "circumvention".


Exactly ... the german copyright law only speaks of circumventing "working" protections by non-simple means.

If I fire up plextools on my premium (simple means) with a copy protected disc in it and plextools/premium are not affected by the protection scheme, then this CD doesn't contain a working protection. Easy as that ...


This is not clear, in a c't article I read about the issue they had three lawyers advising them, and their opinion on this point was split. "Circumventing" by using an analog copy was considered legal by all of them, but there was no consensus about using a drive that doesn't care. Anyway, even if some things are a grey legal area it seems the record industry is unlikely to target us direct-copiers anytime soon, because it's just far easier to get to the p2p-filesharers.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: pepoluan on 2006-09-06 16:44:52
This is not clear, in a c't article I read about the issue they had three lawyers advising them, and their opinion on this point was split. "Circumventing" by using an analog copy was considered legal by all of them, but there was no consensus about using a drive that doesn't care. Anyway, even if some things are a grey legal area it seems the record industry is unlikely to target us direct-copiers anytime soon, because it's just far easier to get to the p2p-filesharers.
Well, "circumventing" means "actively pursuing and applying a method to get around a limitation".

IMO Windows' autorun is a 'feature', and can be disabled by a user if he/she does not desire such a feature.

Thus bypassing Windows' autorun does not fall into the category of "circumventing" -- you're legal.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: audiomars on 2006-09-08 07:48:07
<rant mode on>
The law is an ass
</rant mode off>

Whatever the DMCA says, I think it is legal for a person to make a copy of the CD he has bought, as long as he is not using it for profit. I do not care if it is copy protected or not.... period. There, I just had to make this point   

audiomars
(He who gets hot and bothered when discussing the DMCA and/ or RIAA)
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: gameplaya15143 on 2006-09-08 21:48:07
If I recall...
the DMCA makes it illegal to circumvent effective technological protection measures.

.. well, if it can be circumvented, it's not very effective now is it?

Then there is also the part in the DMCA about how the DMCA can't conflict with existing copyright law, which grants fair use. So in effect, the DMCA makes it illegal to infringe copyright when there is DRM involved, even though copyright infringment is illegal anyways  .. wow, go congress!

disclaimer: this is as far as I can make heads or tails of the DMCA (might be incorrect!)  .. I haven't done any DMCA reading in a long time.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: Pio2001 on 2006-09-10 22:20:48
The point is not wether we make money from the copies, but if we copy in order to avoid paying for the music.

In France, CD copying is allowed for personal use, for the close family circle (you can copy a CD for your son), and if the CD is borrowed from a library.

I think that it is illegal to keep a copy if you give or sell the original. You must then give the copy (considered as a backup) with it.

I don't think that it can be illegal to copy protected CDs, as long as you can't guess that it is protected because you PC doesn't see any protection (that is the difference between an effective protection and an ineffective one).

It is illegal for a dealer to sell copy protected CDs without a warning written on the box, in french, in letters of a given size at least, if the CD can experience playback problems on some devices.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: fairyliquidizer on 2006-09-10 23:01:31
In the UK it is strictly speaking illegal however they do not actively enforce the law.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: Cosmo on 2006-09-10 23:09:43
Regarding the ''ineffective protection'' scenario -

Does printing on the CD or it's packaging which states that ''duplication is prohibited'' mean anything (legally), or is effective copy protection the only true barrier? In other words, with law like the DMCA (which I am assuming supersedes ''fair use''), do written warnings apply in concurrence with the physical protection schemes? Or would the ''myself and my computer saw no deterrents'' excuse hold up?

Perhaps it's a matter than only a court can decide...
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: jlt on 2006-09-10 23:52:28
[a href="http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=disc1mx3.jpg" target="_blank"]
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: fj4 on 2006-09-11 00:17:28
The written warnings mean nothing. This isn't computer software; you weren't asked to comply with a end-user license agreement and break a seal to open the jewel case. You are under no legal obligation to follow the record company's rules (that they print on the discs to scare you) only the laws of your country.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: beto on 2006-09-11 00:22:13
It doesn't matter what someone thinks but only what the court thinks. Opinions should be based on past court ruling otherwise it is just speculation. You know, laws are subject to interpretation.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: jlt on 2006-09-11 00:33:12
ok,understood.
i agree with both,or better with all that pay origianl cds and rip.
if we break or trash the cd "they don't want to know" but as we buy the product,we have rights in what we buy,right?
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: ATLien on 2006-09-11 06:00:38
Screw the DMCA. Has anyone actually been prosecuted for ripping a copy protected audio CD? Laws don't really mean much if they're not enforced.


I totally agree with you!!!
Just call me "The Mad Ripper!"...I'll rip anything that's not tied down!!! 

...come an get me, DMCA!!!!
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: pepoluan on 2006-09-11 15:47:26
Screw the DMCA. Has anyone actually been prosecuted for ripping a copy protected audio CD? Laws don't really mean much if they're not enforced.

I totally agree with you!!!
Just call me "The Mad Ripper!"...I'll rip anything that's not tied down!!! 

...come an get me, DMCA!!!!
... and I'd like very much to get a copy of your rips
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: pepoluan on 2006-09-11 19:28:23
Witness the recent fiasco with thepiratebay.org

In the end, ultimately, the RIAA have to go home with its tails between its hind legs.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: HotshotGG on 2006-09-11 20:24:47
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Witness the recent fiasco with thepiratebay.org


The Pirate Bay is a little ridiculous in many circumstances. They recently started the Pirate Party to protect their own interests, but the bottom line is it's a little absurd. All these torrents need to do is comply with a few simple requests from the big lawyers here and there and things will be fine. Instead they push the limit and blow things out of proportion and this is what happens. Am I suprised the U.S put pressure on the Sweedish government to take care of the issue? nope  . They were asking for it. 

As for the DMCA focus on Section 103.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPO_Copyrigh...lementation_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPO_Copyright_and_Performances_and_Phonograms_Treaties_Implementation_Act)

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It doesn't matter what someone thinks but only what the court thinks. Opinions should be based on past court ruling otherwise it is just speculation. You know, laws are subject to interpretation.


I am taking a law class this semester and what you said pretty much sums it up 
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: bhoar on 2006-09-11 22:49:59
Btw. In my country (and most others too) it is legal to copy any DVD or CD as long as it is not copy protected. You don't have to own the original. You can make a personal copy for private purpouses from whatever source it is (your own CD/DVD, internet, TV, radio, distributors etc.) And it is all legal as long as you don't break any copy protection.


Unfortunately, while most commercial CDs aren't copy protected, most commercial DVDs are (regardless of whether or not you have libdecss/libdvdcss or similar installed).  So, if your local law is "copy=OK if no copy protection", that doesn't help very much.

-brendan
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: OmniCbex on 2006-09-11 23:38:59
IMO: A law is a failure by default if it criminalizes a majority.  People who have ripped and burned CDs at least once in their life is probably a majority.  Record labels should be glad about the copy-ability of their music- it sells CDs more then it hinders sales.  They should try to think of it as advertising: they lose a little because of piracy, but more people get to know and like a band through it than any other form of advertising that record labels employ today, except for the radio.

<RANT>
Personnaly, I rip, burn, and copy to my heart's content, protected or not.  The DMCA is an Un-Constitusional piece of garbage that should never have been passed and DRM in general is the most perfect example of uninnovation, bad business practices, and screwing over valued customers that I've ever known.  We have fair-use rights and a pox on anyone who tries to impose otherwise.
</RANT>

P.S:  Some companies should be happy because of this.  Internet file-sharing sells lots of bandwidth and ripping and burning sells lots of hard drives and blank media that would go unused otherwise.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: Steve999 on 2006-09-11 23:41:47
This is a great thread.  I'm really enjoying reading the different takes on the law and the different laws around the world.  It's fascinating.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: Nadal on 2006-09-12 10:40:17
In my case I use SoundTaxi audio converter, which removes DRM from Napster, iTunes, Yahoo etc.
Is it legal? Suppose yes, cause the prog works with purchased songs ONLY - it seems to re-record the audio signal!   
http://www.soundtaxi.info/ (http://www.soundtaxi.info/)
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: Cosmo on 2006-09-12 11:15:05
In my case I use xxxxxxx audio converter, which removes DRM from Napster, iTunes, Yahoo etc.
Is it legal? Suppose yes, cause the prog works with purchased songs ONLY - it seems to re-record the audio signal!

Re-recording not only removes DRM, it removes quality (if you convert to another lossy format). And your argument for it's legality makes no sense. Such nonsense makes your post smell even more like the work of a typical shill who only signed up to promote their software. Which, by the way, is silly to pay for because there are plenty of free solutions for capturing the output stream. (or the old trick of burning the DRM'd files to CD, then re-ripping)
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: vlada on 2006-09-12 11:15:08
Nadal> It depends on the country where you live. According to European directive, it's illegal.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: MedO on 2006-09-12 11:57:07
Nadal> It depends on the country where you live. According to European directive, it's illegal.

I Germany, it might be legal as long as the copy is an analog recording of the output. No court decision yet, though, IIRC. Burning the files to CD (if the DRM allowes to do this) and then ripping should be legal as well, and gives you a digital copy - still, you will of course lose quality when you reencode it.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: ...Just Elliott on 2006-09-12 12:42:54
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Witness the recent fiasco with thepiratebay.org


The Pirate Bay is a little ridiculous in many circumstances. They recently started the Pirate Party to protect their own interests, but the bottom line is it's a little absurd. All these torrents need to do is comply with a few simple requests from the big lawyers here and there and things will be fine. Instead they push the limit and blow things out of proportion and this is what happens. Am I suprised the U.S put pressure on the Sweedish government to take care of the issue? nope  . They were asking for it. 

As for the DMCA focus on Section 103.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPO_Copyrigh...lementation_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPO_Copyright_and_Performances_and_Phonograms_Treaties_Implementation_Act)

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It doesn't matter what someone thinks but only what the court thinks. Opinions should be based on past court ruling otherwise it is just speculation. You know, laws are subject to interpretation.


I am taking a law class this semester and what you said pretty much sums it up 

Well. Hosting illegal material is illegal. Hosting a file which includes a small amount of random info that may be used to connect to peers with a specific protocol and share a possibly illegal file is NOT illegal.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: SebastianG on 2006-09-12 13:37:19
Storing small blocks of data that look like random gibberish?
That sounds like FreeNet (http://freenetproject.org).
Unfortunately its design/routing sucks.
(No, it does not scale well.)
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: Cosmo on 2006-09-12 14:12:27
I think they're actually talking about a plain old .torrent file (if you knew that, my bad). Though, lol, there's nothing cryptic about files like "Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti [192kMP3].torrent". And once again, I believe the legality of it depends upon the nation involved.

About FreeNet - I think the most unfortunate part is it being abused by scum who like to share stuff like child pornography.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: ...Just Elliott on 2006-09-12 15:53:08
Storing small blocks of data that look like random gibberish?
That sounds like FreeNet (http://freenetproject.org).
Unfortunately its design/routing sucks.
(No, it does not scale well.)

I gave up on freenet because....

About FreeNet - I think the most unfortunate part is it being abused by scum who like to share stuff like child pornography.



I think they're actually talking about a plain old .torrent file (if you knew that, my bad). Though, lol, there's nothing cryptic about files like "Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti [192kMP3].torrent". And once again, I believe the legality of it depends upon the nation involved.

I know, I was just being totally technical. I could name something "child porn.jpg" and that doesn't instantly make it child porn, does it? That file doesn't contain the album, just data that may be used under... <repeat previous post>
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: jhartmann on 2006-09-13 11:57:33
Regarding the ''ineffective protection'' scenario -

Does printing on the CD or it's packaging which states that ''duplication is prohibited'' mean anything (legally), or is effective copy protection the only true barrier?


Noone can avoid fair use by stating that he does not like it. So a note on the packaging "prohibiting" fair use is legally irrelevant. A circumvention of an "effective copy protection" is illegal just because the circumvention itself is prohibited by law. Your fair use rights still exist, even if the media is copy-protected. So at least in Europe/Germany you can force the maker of a DVD-Audio to give you the copies you need for fair use if you can't make them yourself because of an effective copy-protection.

Audio CDs can't be effectively copy-protected by definition. They are just that: bits'n'bytes without any encryption. And you always can copy the whole image of bits'n'bytes as long as you can "play" them. It's no circumvention of anything not to use "features" that would stumble over a thing you don't care for, like a 2nd (maybe false) TOC on a media where this does not make sense (like a redbook cd), or like "correcting" errors that just can be ignored. To not use something (those "features" of HW or SW that would stumble over some mismade CDs) is no circumvention of anything regardless of if their's a switch to choose between usage and non-usage or not. Because you yourself would create the "copy protection" by using the faulty or misleading "feature". And there's no law forcing you to create a "protection" against your fair use rights yourself. And there's also no law forcing to "use" the "copy protection" by a third party, like bying a cd reader drive that can't read Audio CDs correctly or setting a PC OS to "autostart" rootkits or the like. The "effectively working copy protection" must already work on the media itself, not by your usage of special HW or SW (like the drive's "error correction", the SW's possible ability to read a 2nd TOC, or the OS's "autostart feature").
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: jhartmann on 2006-09-13 12:12:36
And regarding that c't article: Those lawyers where either lobbyists or just technically uninformed. To not read the 2nd TOC is just what every cheap CD player does and should do with any redbook CD. So a SW that does exactly this -- just not caring for a standards-incompliant "feature" -- is not circumventing anything. That was the case with EAC: "native TOC" meant the SW did less -- it cared only for the 1st TOC, like any stand-alone player does. Do I "circumvent" any lock in the back door when I just work through the front door?
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: jhartmann on 2006-09-13 12:32:35
Nadal> It depends on the country where you live. According to European directive, it's illegal.

Nope. It's just analog re-recording. Legal in any European country.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: MedO on 2006-09-13 13:01:57
And regarding that c't article: Those lawyers where either lobbyists or just technically uninformed. To not read the 2nd TOC is just what every cheap CD player does and should do with any redbook CD. So a SW that does exactly this -- just not caring for a standards-incompliant "feature" -- is not circumventing anything. That was the case with EAC: "native TOC" meant the SW did less -- it cared only for the 1st TOC, like any stand-alone player does. Do I "circumvent" any lock in the back door when I just work through the front door?


IIRC the lawyers said that this feature was probably legal, but they weren't sure. I'll check this wehn I come home.
But I think the question is if you change the behaviour of your drive WITH THE INTENTION of circumventing a copy-protection.
Let's play with your analogy a bit. Imagine you come to a house. The front door is locked (the CD won't play in your drive with "normal" players), and, while you may generally enter the house, you know you are forbidden to "circumvent" any locks. So, you start walking around the house, trying possible doors and windows and finally find that the back door is open, so you enter. Now, did you "intentionally circumvent" the lock? Quite literally I fear. 

Now, if you originally came to the back door and found it open (your drive played the CD without trouble), you are just entering an insecure house. You encountered no working protection, so you didn't have to circumvent any.

BUT, if you regularly check the back door first, becuase you know it's probably not locked, and you know that the CD is protected (which you do, becuase it's printed on the CD)... well, that's quite a grey thing I suspect.

Sorry for mixeing metaphor and real here, but it was easier that way  .
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: pepoluan on 2006-09-13 14:54:17
(the CD won't play in your drive with "normal" players)

(your drive played the CD without trouble)
My stand is that a CD that is blatantly violating standards are 'damaged', by definition.

Therefore my attempt of reading such a CD, regardless of copy-protection, falls under 'repair' category, by definition.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: jhartmann on 2006-09-17 12:46:20
But I think the question is if you change the behaviour of your drive WITH THE INTENTION of circumventing a copy-protection.

Nope. The law doesn't care for that. It just asks if I circumvent an effectively working (by itself, not only by using it together with special 3rd party stuff) copy-protections by non-simple means. Just working through the front door when I found the back door closed is a very simple means.
Let's play with your analogy a bit. Imagine you come to a house. The front door is locked (the CD won't play in your drive with "normal" players),

That's not the analogy. Those crippled CDs are open by the front door, meaning simple, "normal" CD players (without special capabilities of "error corrrection" and "2nd session processing") play them just fine (or you wouldn't be able to listen to them at all). You just can't go in from behind, but that's of no importance since it's always a very simple means to just walk through the front door, which is the main door anyway.

There is not the slightest uncertainty within the law.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: kjoonlee on 2006-09-17 14:27:02
If I were to make an analogy, I'd say the front door is meant to be swung both ways. With DRMed houses, you can't push; you can only pull.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: Nadal on 2006-10-02 10:06:32
This soft's sold legally... official site, etc.
Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: Clemech on 2006-12-06 22:11:26
In the UK it is strictly speaking illegal however they do not actively enforce the law.


How could it be enforced, unless police break down doors and search homes?

I know they'd find a bag of old cassettes in my attic, gently breaking down as they are exposed to huge variations of heat and cold each year. I must take them to the recycling centre/dump before I'm jailed!!

Title: CD Ripping: Illegal?
Post by: HotshotGG on 2006-12-06 22:39:40
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My stand is that a CD that is blatantly violating standards are 'damaged', by definition.

Therefore my attempt of reading such a CD, regardless of copy-protection, falls under 'repair' category, by definition.


The U.S DMCA was just recently amended to deal with exemptions like that. I added in the wiki under Legal reference in the HA Community Portal. It doesn't have to do so much with ripping then it does with "copyright laws", on a similiar note a lot of people would argue that DRM doesn't help competition, but rather hinders it. There are some cases were it is an effective business model, however despite the fact. It's a necessary evil in sometimes. It really depends on circumstances. Some DRM is more then evil.
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