AES 2009 Audio Myths Workshop
Reply #46 – 2010-03-19 21:03:40
you'll see time and again claims that "Ethan was proven wrong" even though nobody actually proved anything of the sort. Just since I wrote that yesterday, I see many instances of the same accusations without evidence, and of course plenty of completely wrong facts and disingenuous claims:Ethan start to trash our place, not the opposite, and I can tell you he doesn't say everything about the reasons he has been banned. Apparently neither do you. Please explain why I was banned from the Womb. Links to relevant posts are always welcome.the title of the thread over at the womb, where Ethan Winer's now-famous conjecture about the measurability and audibility of audio and the transparency of audio equipment, is titled "Pathetic" ... That thread title was created and CHOSEN BY ETHAN HIMSELF. More lies. Yes, I used that name for the second thread title, after you "pathetically" locked the first thread once it was clear you could not defend your claims.BAD FORM, Ethan, for being intellectually and technically sloppy in your work. What could be worse, than a mythbuster that simply substitutes his own myth for the one he's debunking? Ethan makes a classic and easy mistake in his assumptions [blah blah blah] he has been shown to be factually wrong on every single claim he's made. More claims that Ethan is wrong with not one shred of proof.In Ethan Winer's video, he "debunks" the notion that phase matters in the reproduction of audio. He plays a little clip for us, which is one of those late-60s demo arrangements that were used to introduce "stereo" to the market. The program material has bits and stuff flying all over the stereo field, with dramatic panning. You are ignoring on purpose the solo cello example which played first, and ignoring the fact that both of those demos were to show that phase shift is audible while it's changing and when the shift is different left and right! The demo that shows phase shift is not audible starts at 49:33 into the video, and uses the percussion breakdown from my Tele-Vision video as a source.So what he's REALLY proven is that phase doesn't matter if I have a lot of active panning going on. He has improperly generalized his result. What you have proven yet again is you are a master of straw man arguing because the examples you cite are not what you say they are.I have tried very hard to be MORE rigorous in exactly converging on Ethan's specific statements, and have assiduously avoided creating straw men in my debate with him ... the wiki definition [of straw man] seems to have been written in honor of Ethan, with him as the exemplar of the phenomenon. How can you claim to be "MORE rigorous" when you got it totally backward? My example that you said shows phase shift as inaudible was in fact the demo that shows that it is audible. And you claim I'm the model of straw man arguing.You've allowed Ethan to claim we moderated him at the Womb because we somehow can't debate him, and here you are moderating me. The defining difference is that my posts at the Womb address technical issues, or matters of logic, while your posts here seem to be mindless whining about personalities and authority about who knows how to mix an album. Can you really not see the difference?Ethan is not interested in discovering if his conjecture is true or not, he's interested in avoiding proof that it isn't. Translated: "Ethan is wrong but I'll be damned if I can show even one example." Thanks dwoz and MM for making my points for me. --Ethan