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Failure to provide objective support of sound quality claims

These experiecneces for me have been the pinnicles of aesthetic beauty in sound.

It's unfortunate that these anecdotal experiences are completely subjective and were likely tainted by things that had nothing to do with actual sound.


It's unfortunate? Really? I assure you there was nothing unfortunate about seeing Ladysmith Black Mambazo in a church in the heart of Soweto (rather than under blind conditions). It was an absolute 10 on the cool scale. Yeah, *enjoyment* of live music under sighted conditions (the way we pretty much experience all concerts) is completely subjective but I really can't wrap my head around the idea that there is anything unfortunate about it. I also have trouble wrapping my head around the idea that those other things have "tainted" the experience. Enhanced no doubt.

Absolutely, there is far more to a live musical performance than the excellent sound (if the sound is excellent) There is a major coolness factor just being there with the artists while they make their art. The whole event thing plays into the enjoyment. But one can still to a large degree seperate the sound form the overall event. The cool factor certainly plays big time at a rock concert but it doesn't "fool" me into thinking that it sounds good. Even at live acoustic concerts, it's not that hard to make a judgement on the sound quality. I can assure you my opinion on the sound of Disney Hall isn't due to the decore.

It strikes as a bit absurd to claim opinions of sound quality at live events have *nothing* to do with the actual sound. It's far from a black and white thing. Yes biases play into it but so does the actual sound. The sound *does* play into the perception of the sound.

Failure to provide objective support of sound quality claims

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It's unfortunate that these anecdotal experiences are completely subjective and were likely tainted by things that had nothing to do with actual sound.

Nothing unfortunate about having transcendent experiences involving sound. Eventually you've got to come down and be honest that, as there should be, there's much more to making these experiences than the sound.



Without a doubt. but that doesn't mean the experience has *nothing* to do with the sound. It also doesn't mean one can't to a large degree seperate the sound and form an opinion on it. For instance the very best live acoustic performance I have seen all year sounded pretty bad. Loved the music, was blown away by the performance, really blown away, liked the looks of the venue. Sound was MU-DEE. I have heard many a live acapella vocal group of many genres. Even the much acclaimed Tallis singers (and they are exceptional). Sonically speaking Ladysmith Black Mambazo is something in a league of it's own. It's like seeing the Grand Canyon for the first time. Certainly it is the event but just as certainly it is the sound.

TOS 8?
8. All members that put forth a statement concerning subjective sound quality, must -- to the best of their ability -- provide objective support for their claims. Acceptable means of support are double blind listening tests (ABX or ABC/HR) ***demonstrating that the member can discern a difference perceptually,*** together with a test sample to allow others to reproduce their findings. Graphs, non-blind listening tests, waveform difference comparisons, and so on, are not acceptable means of providing support.

"demonstrating that the member can discern a difference perceptually"

Is there some concern that I would not be able to discern differences between various live concerts I have attended and playback of recorded music?