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Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: ExUser on 25 July, 2012, 11:43:26 AM
What software are people using to play music on a computer? Forum poll limitations restrict us to 10, which means 9 actual selections and the "Other" marker.

Obvious candidates include:
foobar2000
iTunes
Winamp
dBpoweramp
J River Media Centre
Amarok
deadbeef
Windows Media Player
XMPlay

If I had to go with 9, it'd be these ones. Persuade me otherwise!
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: yourlord on 25 July, 2012, 11:59:10 AM
VLC
Audacious
Banshee
Rhythmbox
Songbird
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: dhromed on 25 July, 2012, 12:12:09 PM
Since there are many more valid players than there are possible options in this forum's rather arbitrarily limited poller, and if you're interested in real data, I would suggest finding better polling software?
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: trout on 25 July, 2012, 12:14:27 PM
I suggest dividing the poll into 3 q's by OS - Win // Mac // Linux/BSD ;  with something like "Other OS or Player" as the last option in each category. This way more info is presented in the actual poll results, and less software - that may be worth interest - being buried in the comments.

<edit>

Windows:
iTunes
Winamp
Windows Media Player
foobar2000
dBpoweramp
J River Media Centre
MediaMonkey
VLC
Songbird

Linux:
Amarok
Rhythmbox
Banshee
Exaile
deadbeef
VLC
Songbird
MPD

</edit>

VLC might be worth listing under all 3 categories? Also Songbird? Others?
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: tawd on 25 July, 2012, 12:22:58 PM
I'd add AIMP 3 to the list, but I really have no clue as to how popular it is and whether it has enough of a user base to merit inclusion in the poll.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: ExUser on 25 July, 2012, 12:23:44 PM
The Unix (Mac/Linux/BSD/whatever) sector isn't large enough to warrant two separate sections. Windows / Unix would be a good split. I'll go with that idea, trout.

I'm not super concerned about valid results, I just want something half-decent.

Revision 1:

Windows
------
foobar2000
iTunes
Winamp
dBpoweramp
J River Media Centre
Windows Media Player
XMPlay
VLC
[to be decided]
Other

Unix (Linux / Mac / BSD / whatever)
------
iTunes
VLC
Audacious
Banshee
Rhythmbox
Songbird
deadbeef
Clementine
[to be decided]
Other
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: trout on 25 July, 2012, 12:56:55 PM
The Unix (Mac/Linux/BSD/whatever) sector isn't large enough to warrant two separate sections.

Ah, sounds like a good call ... as I'm not too familiar with Mac. Thanks!
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: Porcus on 25 July, 2012, 01:44:30 PM
There's always room for nitpickery over whether e.g. Squeezebox Controller is a computer running Linux, or just a remote control for the server on your computer. Or whether iDevices are computers. I have no idea whether the troublesome solutions have enough users around here for this to be any issue.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: godrick on 25 July, 2012, 01:58:37 PM
Sometimes I just stream from a website to my computer using a site's browser plugin or proprietary app.  Perhaps it would be insightful to make one of the choices in each OS all browser-based or site-specific streaming app usage.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: Carledwards on 25 July, 2012, 02:06:00 PM
Vox for Mac?
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: Brazil2 on 25 July, 2012, 03:12:50 PM
I'd add AIMP 3 to the list

Yes AIMP must be in the list IMHO, but don't specify a version number as I know many people who are happy to still use v2.6x and won't bother to update (something to do with the converter and the skins IIRC).

My suggestion goes to 1by1 which is light and can use both the BASS libraries and the Winamp plugins:
http://mpesch3.de1.cc/1by1.html (http://mpesch3.de1.cc/1by1.html)

For the record, there are also builds of Audacious for Windows and I know few people who are using it.

Anyway, on this forum we know pretty well which one is going to win, at least on Windows
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: yourlord on 25 July, 2012, 03:13:43 PM
Amarok really needs to be in the list for *nix-like OS..

I don't use it, but I know a lot of people do.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: ExUser on 25 July, 2012, 03:18:07 PM
Hm, perhaps it might make sense to include derivatives with the flagship, ie. Winamp and derivatives (ie. MediaMonkey, etc.), XMplay and derivatives (ie. 1by1, AIMP, etc.)

I know that AIMP3 isn't BASS-based any more, but it gives a bit more structure...

Of course fb2k is going to "win" around here, but winning isn't the point. Musepack ranks highly in lossy format polls here, despite the fact that outside of HA, practically no one uses it. :'(

Windows
------
foobar2000
iTunes
Winamp (and derivatives, ie. MediaMonkey, etc.)
XMPlay (and BASS derivatives, ie. 1by1, AIMP, etc.)
dBpoweramp
J River Media Centre
Windows Media Player
VLC
Spotify
Other

Unix (Linux / Mac / BSD / whatever)
------
iTunes
VLC
Amarok
Audacious
Banshee
Rhythmbox
deadbeef
Clementine
Songbird
Other

Do people actually use Songbird?
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: 2012 on 25 July, 2012, 03:21:12 PM
mplayer2/MPlayer

I put mplayer2 first because it supports gapless playback, a relevant feature in an audio player poll.

MPD (and XMMS2) with their server-client model(even if storage and playback are on the same device) require a stricter definition for audio players, I guess.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: smok3 on 25 July, 2012, 03:37:26 PM
Obviously putting OS X and Linux into the same basket won't work.
Moc and mpd are two nix cli players that seem to be used a lot (at least outside of ubuntuisem).
(but i doubt many people are actually bothered to install those on osx).

Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: 2012 on 25 July, 2012, 03:46:24 PM
Moc and mpd are two nix cli players that seem to be used a lot (at least outside of ubuntuisem).


MPD is not a "cli player". It's a daemon (that's what the D stands for in the name).

MPD clients range from simple CLI (e.g. mpc) to curses-based (e.g. ncmpc) to GUI-based (e.g. sonata).
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: Porcus on 25 July, 2012, 03:53:29 PM
Should Spotify be part of this? It can play your local files, and it certainly is installed on many computers.


I will assume that Spotify users use it primarily for internet streaming. Then what is the purpose of this poll? Is it to find out what is used to play local files, or is it to find out what is used to play music from computer? In the latter case, it should be included on par with everything else, and if people stream from Spotify more than they play from hard drive, they should vote for Spotify. Simple as that.
If this is against the purpose of the poll, then one either has to rule the application out, because it could (/would) cause confusion -- or one has to specify the restriction very clearly.


And like VLC, Spotify is multiplatform.  Indeed, I would assume that the biggest player for iStuff is iTunes, and that is multiplatform.  Is it a major point of the poll to differentiate over platforms, or isn't it? If not, what about
- Windows-only
- Multiplatform
- Others
?
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: ExUser on 25 July, 2012, 04:23:56 PM
Obviously putting OS X and Linux into the same basket won't work.
I don't think this is "obvious" at all. In other places, there's no end to Mac users whinging about there being no good alternative to iTunes, despite the fact that pretty much all "Linux" players run on OS X. OS X is Unix-certified, FFS! Proprietary vs. Free/Open might be a good place to divide, though.

Porcus: Yeah, I know many Spotify users in #foobar2000. I'll ditch Songbird for Spotify. I know users of the latter; I know no users of the former.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: JJZolx on 25 July, 2012, 04:41:06 PM
There's always room for nitpickery over whether e.g. Squeezebox Controller is a computer running Linux, or just a remote control for the server on your computer.


Are we specifically talking only about software used to play music from a general-purpose computer?

If so, you needn't include Squeezebox or similar streaming players from from audio companies like Sonos, Meridian, PS Audio, Cambridge and others. Nor the network media players from consumer electronics companies like Western Digital and D-Link. Nor the audio streaming capabilities of many DVD players and smart TVs.

Quote
Or whether iDevices are computers. I have no idea whether the troublesome solutions have enough users around here for this to be any issue.


Nor any other smart phone or digital audio players from the likes of SanDisk, Samsung, Creative etc.

A more interesting question might be how many people even use a general purpose computer for audio playback? In this forum it's probably fairly high. Outside of it, I imagine non-computer playback devices are becoming much more prevalent.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: smok3 on 25 July, 2012, 07:00:49 PM
Moc and mpd are two nix cli players that seem to be used a lot (at least outside of ubuntuisem).


MPD is not a "cli player". It's a daemon (that's what the D stands for in the name).

MPD clients range from simple CLI (e.g. mpc) to curses-based (e.g. ncmpc) to GUI-based (e.g. sonata).


ok, then moc and mpd+ncmpc.

@Canar, Dunno about itunes (even if i'am OSX user), the only reason i even kept them installed is that Lion is complaining when trashing (trashcan worked well under snow leopard).
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: Takla on 25 July, 2012, 07:45:05 PM
The *nix section really has to include MPD, which can be taken to mean "mpd+client(s)".  It's rather hard to imagine running MPD but no client, or trying to use one of its clients without MPD, so there isn't much point in either splitting hairs or in caring much which exact client is favoured.  Anyone with both headless and GUI machines may well use two different clients; add tablets and phones and MPD's native http streaming server and a single user might use 3, 4 or even 5 different platform or desktop specific clients plus a plain www browser at different times, all in fact controlling MPD.  Simply listing "MPD" is concise and sane.

mplayer is another application that probably should be in any list.  The command line application is a useful player (can play gapless with a named pipe) and also serves as a back end for lots and lots of other players (see http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/projects.html) (http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/projects.html)).  Again it would make sense imo for "mplayer" to mean all the various GUIs and front ends.

Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: 2012 on 25 July, 2012, 08:29:08 PM
mplayer is another application that probably should be in any list.  The command line application is a useful player (can play gapless with a named pipe)


mplayer2 ,a well-maintained fork*, supports gapless playback natively without residing to external players (for PCM playback) and shell/FIFO hackery.

A (possibly-biased) list of differences between mplayer2 and the original MPlayer can be found here:
http://www.mplayer2.org/differences (http://www.mplayer2.org/differences)

---------------------
* mplayer2 used to be known as mplayer-git or mplayer-uau before becoming a fully independent project.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: Meeko on 25 July, 2012, 08:34:59 PM
Daum Potplayer uses the BASS directories from xmplay and would probably fall under that category.  I use it as an audio player just to change things up every now and then.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: RobertoDomenico on 25 July, 2012, 08:59:55 PM
On Mac OS X i would totally recommend Enqueue above iTunes.  Enqueue (http://itunes.apple.com/au/app/enqueue/id493119959?mt=12)
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: TuNk77 on 25 July, 2012, 10:38:20 PM
1by1 (http://mpesch3.de1.cc/1by1.html) Anyone?
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: AFAIK on 26 July, 2012, 04:34:39 AM
maybe add JPLAY?

I wonder how many people will choose this...
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: DonP on 26 July, 2012, 08:54:05 AM
There's always room for nitpickery over whether e.g. Squeezebox Controller is a computer running Linux, or just a remote control for the server on your computer. Or whether iDevices are computers. I have no idea whether the troublesome solutions have enough users around here for this to be any issue.


With squeezebox you can play music on the serving computer as well.  One reason to is it's easy to remote control with a web interface.  Maybe "there's an app for that"?

Maybe a different poll would be best for cloud players (Google music etc).  I'm starting to get into being able to say to my tab, "Listen to Leo Kottke," and it starts playing.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: Porcus on 26 July, 2012, 09:52:37 AM
I agree on the “maybe”. I am not sure what would be best for 2012, but sooner or later the distinction between cloud/local would very likely be way more interesting than grouping by OS.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: CoRoNe on 26 July, 2012, 12:01:04 PM
How can everyone forget Media Player Classic - Home Cinema and Zoom Player?!
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: ExUser on 26 July, 2012, 12:14:59 PM
sooner or later the distinction between cloud/local would very likely be way more interesting
I dunno about the rest of the world, but mobile data plans are still far too expensive in Canada for me to even start considering this. I could use $30 worth of bandwidth playing music at V2 in a day.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: ExUser on 26 July, 2012, 12:17:17 PM
Penultimate revision for the Unix list. If you want to add/change anything at this point, tell me what you think should be replaced, not just what should be added. I'm happy with the list as it stands...

Unix (Linux / Mac / BSD / whatever)
------
iTunes
VLC
Amarok
Rhythmbox
deadbeef
Clementine
Songbird
mpd (and clients)
mplayer (and forks)
Other

As the Windows list hasn't changed, and I'm especially content with it, I'm going to put that one up now.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: smok3 on 26 July, 2012, 01:02:27 PM
with such generalization i would then change

from;
mpd (and clients)
mplayer (and forks)

to;
command line players (specify in the thread)
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: Brazil2 on 26 July, 2012, 01:09:09 PM
Penultimate revision for the Unix list.

Why have you removed Audacious ? Did I miss anything ?
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: ExUser on 26 July, 2012, 01:16:54 PM
Why have you removed Audacious ? Did I miss anything ?
I'm trying to maximize the number of people selecting options that are not "Other". I don't perceive Audacious to be a very highly-used player.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: cpchan on 26 July, 2012, 02:27:03 PM
with such generalization i would then change

from;
mpd (and clients)
mplayer (and forks)

to;
command line players (specify in the thread)


I disagree. First of all, mpd is not a commandline player- it is a daemon that can be controlled by multiple frontends be it graphical or not. I can even control it from my Android device.

Also, although mplayer is commandline based, there are multiple GUI frontends for it. There is even one included in the mplayer source tree called GMPlayer (gtk+ based). It is build if you pass the "--enable-gui" switch when running "./configure".

The separation between backend and frontend is a common design pattern in the Unix/Linux world.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: cpchan on 26 July, 2012, 02:31:55 PM
Penultimate revision for the Unix list. If you want to add/change anything at this point, tell me what you think should be replaced, not just what should be added. I'm happy with the list as it stands...


Another popular choice is xmms2 (http://xmms2.org/wiki/Main_Page) plus client.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: smok3 on 26 July, 2012, 02:34:44 PM
mpd is not a commandline player- it is a daemon that can be controlled by multiple frontends be it graphical or not.

That was already explained 3 times before in this thread and i happily corrected myself, also there are other non-daemons, like moc (Lets cover more ground), so whats your point?

Quote
The separation between backend and frontend is a common design pattern in the Unix/Linux world.

I always thought everything is just quickly hacked together, thanks for that wisdom.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: cpchan on 26 July, 2012, 02:48:35 PM
mpd is not a commandline player- it is a daemon that can be controlled by multiple frontends be it graphical or not.

That was already explained 3 times before in this thread and i happily corrected myself, also there are other non-daemons, like moc (Lets cover more ground), so whats your point?


My point is that mpd should not be lumped into "command line players (specify in the thread)" like you suggested. Mpd only exposes an API for client programming. By itself mpd is useless without a client. If you are interested, here is a list (http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients).

Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: Porcus on 26 July, 2012, 03:20:08 PM
My point is that mpd should not be lumped into "command line players (specify in the thread)"
[...]
By itself mpd is useless without a client.


But the suggestion is to take mpd OUT of the list, and CLI players IN. As far as I see, you just provided a worthy argument for the first part of this.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: Porcus on 26 July, 2012, 03:27:13 PM
As the Windows list hasn't changed, and I'm especially content with it, I'm going to put that one up now.


Cogito: nobody even suggested Boom? (Fine with me, by all means.)
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: cpchan on 26 July, 2012, 03:35:38 PM
But the suggestion is to take mpd OUT of the list, and CLI players IN. As far as I see, you just provided a worthy argument for the first part of this.


Actually, I favour a modified version of Canar's original choice item- "mpd (and clients)". Something like:


[blockquote]mpd (and clients, please specify clients in the thread)[/blockquote]

Personally, I use multiple clients for different purposes. A GUI frontend for regular playing, a commandline frontend for scripting and an Android frontend for remote control.

Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: yourlord on 31 July, 2012, 02:05:34 PM
I saw the windows poll posted.. any eta on the unix one?

I don't use windows so I've been waiting for the unix poll.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: AshenTech on 31 July, 2012, 10:55:01 PM
Aimp3 here, winamp as a fallback,  I use flac for my own encodes(storage) and vorbis for my mobile needs.....

not a fan of the foobar2k, never has suited me well, i use dbpoweramp to rip+encode tho
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: seVen on 01 August, 2012, 03:46:43 PM
An important miss for me here is MusicBee
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: mudlord on 02 August, 2012, 08:48:03 AM
maybe add JPLAY?

I wonder how many people will choose this...


No.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: Big_Berny on 02 August, 2012, 10:14:36 AM
IMHO MediaMonkey isn't a Winamp derivate anymore. Maybe it was in the beginning (1.x) but since 3.x it's clearly a separate standalone player which has nothing to to with winamp - except that it still supports plugings from it AFAIK.
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: db579 on 02 August, 2012, 03:26:33 PM
Since Banshee is the default player on the most popular *nix distribution these days (not counting mac) surely that should be included? Also +1 for Google Play, new but I'd be curious if anyone uses it yet
Title: 2012 Audio Player Poll Suggestions
Post by: ExUser on 02 August, 2012, 04:18:48 PM
Unix poll is up. Closing this thread.