Like every month... new Nero (V6.3.0.3) release
Release date of all packages: February 4th, 2004
See... http://www.nero.com/en/nero-prog.php (http://www.nero.com/en/nero-prog.php) or http://www.nero.com/en/nero-up.php (http://www.nero.com/en/nero-up.php)
No changelog yet.
[edit 2004/02/06]
Changelog online (http://www.nero.com/en/631981153542585.html (http://www.nero.com/en/631981153542585.html))
Changes from Nero 6.3.0.2 to 6.3.0.3
Features Added
Added support for new recorders
Bug Fixes
Nero Express:
Corrected message box in the "Erase Disc" dialog
VCD burning on image recorder fail in "preparing items" error message is solved
Nero BackItUp:
Corrected transfer data calculation algorithm for used sectors backup
NeroVision Express 2:
Improvement of the video quality with half picture element interpolation
Improved video auto-post-processing functionality
Solved a problem that caused sometimes a crash with mpeg-2 files while editing
Changes in profiles to report correct possible inputs for audio encoder
Sometimes the property window was not fully visible
This new version seems to produce gapless mp4 files again. (confirmed with fb2k)
I see that Nero added support for the .m4a file extension (reading) in Nero in this update. It automatically recognizes M4A as a valid audio file extension. Thanks to Menno and Ivan for adding this. I appreciate it!
Now I don't have to rename M4A files to read them or play them in Nero...
I wonder what other fixes/changes are in this update.
I see that Nero added support for the .m4a file extension (reading) in Nero in this update. It automatically recognizes M4A as a valid audio file extension. Thanks to Menno and Ivan for adding this. I appreciate it!
clapping my hands for them :-)
does anybody know if there is a new aac encoder in the new nero ?
I think, Ivan or Menno will tell us more
I see that Nero added support for the .m4a file extension (reading) in Nero in this update. It automatically recognizes M4A as a valid audio file extension. Thanks to Menno and Ivan for adding this. I appreciate it!
clapping my hands for them :-)
does anybody know if there is a new aac encoder in the new nero ?
I get " Nero AAC Codec 2.6.1.9 " so it seems yes.
still BSOD's for me.
Nero must have severe memory leaks on specific configurations
Strange, I get version 2.6.1.1 for aacenc32.dll after the update to Nero 6.3.0.3. Did I miss something?
Did you update NeroVision?
No just the main Nero program... I don't use Nero Vision (video stuff) so I don't have that loaded on my PC. Thought that the main Nero program update would update me to the latest concerning all things audio.
AACEnc 2.6.1.9 comes with different ATH from 2.6.1.1 and fine-tweaks of "Internet" VBR mode.
Why does the new Nero still include 2.6.1.1? And since gapless is fixed now, why wasn't there a new version number so as to avoid confusion?
The aacenc32.dll's version is 2.6.1.9 here, too.
As Garf said, you also need nve2108.exe to update it.
Why does the new Nero still include 2.6.1.1? And since gapless is fixed now, why wasn't there a new version number so as to avoid confusion?
Did i get this correctly?
- Nero comes with 2.6.1.1
- NVE comes with 2.6.1.9?
If this is true - than it is probably because 2.6.1.9 was sent to install department when the Nero master was already built, and NVE was built later.
nice, but as usual when updating Nero, I have a problem with Nero Showtime taking over a long list of media types I prefer other players to handle, and I just can not seem to find the option to configure its filetypes. Any advice?
Why does the new Nero still include 2.6.1.1? And since gapless is fixed now, why wasn't there a new version number so as to avoid confusion?
Did i get this correctly?
- Nero comes with 2.6.1.1
- NVE comes with 2.6.1.9?
If this is true - than it is probably because 2.6.1.9 was sent to install department when the Nero master was already built, and NVE was built later.
it's true, i just downloaded NVE2108.EXE only for the newer aacenc32.dll version
-andy-
nice, but as usual when updating Nero, I have a problem with Nero Showtime taking over a long list of media types I prefer other players to handle, and I just can not seem to find the option to configure its filetypes. Any advice?
Yes, Nerovision Express does association hijacking for Nero Showtime. I told menno about this (among other things), but maybe they
want to keep it like this. To my knowledge, there's no way to change associations from within Showtime. You have to re-assign all filetypes yourself.
Why does the new Nero still include 2.6.1.1? And since gapless is fixed now, why wasn't there a new version number so as to avoid confusion?
Did i get this correctly?
- Nero comes with 2.6.1.1
- NVE comes with 2.6.1.9?
If this is true - than it is probably because 2.6.1.9 was sent to install department when the Nero master was already built, and NVE was built later.
Yes Ivan, it appears this is correct (that 2.6.1.1) was included in the Nero main program update.
Yes, Nerovision Express does association hijacking for Nero Showtime. I told menno about this (among other things), but maybe they want to keep it like this. To my knowledge, there's no way to change associations from within Showtime. You have to re-assign all filetypes yourself.
Now THAT is shameful. And very annoying. It must be the only "popular" media player that does that - everything else I can think of now (QuickTime, Real, MPC, ZoomPlayer, Winamp, WMP...) asks users if - and what - they want to associate or not.
I did a few tests this morning regarding the gapless playback issue with Nero 6303. The following tests produced gapless playback:
1. Rip and encode in Nero 6303.
2. Rip in Foobar and call Nero encoder on the fly from Foobar.
3. Rip to wav in EAC and convert to MP4 in Nero 6303 in a separate step.
4. Rip to wav in EAC and convert to M4A calling Nero encoder from Foobar.
However, using nencode and tg.exe with EAC did not produce gapless playback. I think it would be nice if there was a better way to use the Nero AAC encoder from EAC, perhaps on the fly as Foobar does it. That would also eliminate the darn console windows from opening all over the place.
edit:
NB, problem with nencode solved, see below.
Hmm yes, stealing extensions is not so nice
With so many people complaining I'm sure something will be done about this.
Menno
However, using nencode and tg.exe with EAC did not produce gapless playback.
AFAIK (never used it myself) Nencode uses Nero DLL's in it's own directory, not directly from the Nero AudioPlugins directory. So you probably have to overwrite the old ones in your Nencode directory (NOTE: I am not sure).
I can't imagine how it is possible that Nencode creates different output while using the same DLL's.
Menno
@menno
You are exactly right. After the last post I realized that I had not updated the Nero dll's in the nencode directory. After the update nencode produced gapless playback. Good job guys.
By the way, it is possible to extract the aacenc32.dll from the nve installer using winrar, in case you want to play with that and not install NVE.
Or is an update to the 6.3.0.3 Main Nero package with aacenc32.dll version 2.6.1.9 included coming out soon? I prefer not to install all the video apps so I can apply the NVE updates.
Thanks again to Ivan and Menno for the excellent job at adding new features to Nero. I greatly appreciate the .M4A filename reading support!
Hopefully with the new codec you guys at Nero will come up near (or at) the top of rjamorim's upcoming AAC test results.
I know the MP3 test results haven't come out yet... just forward looking to the AAC test
@quest
You can extract aacenc32.dll from either the NVE or neromix installers using winrar. You do not have to install either of the additional apps. I am willing to bet that the NBR installer is updated without a version change, Ahead has done this sort of thing before.
how does licencing work for nero?
I have a lite-on cd burner that came bundled with it. Does that mean I get free updates? I'm mostly interested in the aac encoder, since for the most part the cd-burner capabilities are mature.
btw, how do nero aac's behave on the ipod?
adlai - Nero made m4a files work fine with my 20GB 3rd Gen iPod, just as long as I don't use soundcheck (Apple's version of replaygain) in iTunes
Case - Thanks for the quick compiles
... Nero Recode still crashes reliably during DVD transcoding ... I simply cannot use it ...
2. Rip in Foobar and call Nero encoder on the fly from Foobar.
Is this something new, different from CLI? How is this done?
The FAAD2 bug discussion moved here (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18350).
I am curious to know if Ahead is making any progress in regards to the stability of nero 6. I used it for several months only to suffer one headache after another. Between the erratic frisbees it creates and the irrationaly crashes in nerovision while transcoding, i have to agree with JeanLuc that Nero 6 is simply unusable. I actually reverted back to nero 5 and *poof* all my woes disappeared. Its all well and great that their aac encoder is getting plenty of attention but what good is it if the program that uses it doesnt even work right?
*me hugs my 5.5 box...
Funny, I've never had any stability problems with Nero 6. must just be certain configurations that cause problems.
@indybrett
There is a plug-in called foo-nero which will call any of the nero encoders. When set up you can rip, encode to nero aac, tag, rename (the works) in one step in Foobar. It even lets you set up the tracks with a m4a extension. The encoding is done on the fly, as you rip, it is not a CLI encoder.
Pretty neat?
@indybrett
There is a plug-in called foo-nero which will call any of the nero encoders. When set up you can rip, encode to nero aac, tag, rename (the works) in one step in Foobar. It even lets you set up the tracks with a m4a extension. The encoding is done on the fly, as you rip, it is not a CLI encoder.
Pretty neat?
Yes, like you said, it works, but I'm experiencing some "not exactly" file sizes, I made several tests comparing foo_nero against Nero itself, the difference may be not as much as you're probably thinking, but either way, it's not like the "warn" feeling that tells you foo_nero it's "exactly" the same as using Nero for AAC encoding... although I'm very happy with foo_nero, it has helped me a lot, thanks to Case.
Don't want to start a flame war, but just wanted to point this out.
However, using nencode and tg.exe with EAC did not produce gapless playback.
AFAIK (never used it myself) Nencode uses Nero DLL's in it's own directory, not directly from the Nero AudioPlugins directory. So you probably have to overwrite the old ones in your Nencode directory (NOTE: I am not sure).
I can't imagine how it is possible that Nencode creates different output while using the same DLL's.
Menno
I have confirmed this.
Using NeroMix, the playback is perfectly gapless with Foobar2000. If I use Foobar2000 with Nencode, it is "almost" gapless, but not completely. The click is gone, but there is a little "pfft" sound between some tracks.
Edit: Using EziiiEncode produces perfectly gapless files. Possible I am using Foobar2000 incorrectly to encode?
Edit#2: copied all the dll's and nencode to the Foobar2000 directory, and it works perfectly.
@madxvid
No flame war at all. Different file sizes than a rip and encode in Nero? That is new information to me. I wonder if the "meat" of the file is any different. What I suspect is that Foobar's processing of the file is slightly different, but that there is no real difference in the audio. After all, the codec is the same. Do what works for you. There are many ways to use the Nero AAC codec while ripping including EAC/Nencode, Nero by itself, Foobar, and DBpowerAMP. Additionally, there is the possibility of encoding lossless with any of these and then transcoding. Your experiences on what works best are welcome to me, and probably most of the rest of the HA community.
@indibrett
I made the same mistake with Nencode and then updated the Nero dll's. Look back through the thread.
EziiiEncode? That is a new one to me.
Anyway, I really like the way Nero AAC sounds. All I need now is an iPod.
@madxvid
No flame war at all. Different file sizes than a rip and encode in Nero? That is new information to me. I wonder if the "meat" of the file is any different. What I suspect is that Foobar's processing of the file is slightly different, but that there is no real difference in the audio. After all, the codec is the same. Do what works for you. There are many ways to use the Nero AAC codec while ripping including EAC/Nencode, Nero by itself, Foobar, and DBpowerAMP. Additionally, there is the possibility of encoding lossless with any of these and then transcoding. Your experiences on what works best are welcome to me, and probably most of the rest of the HA community.
I totally agree with you when you mention all those different methods to encode Nero AAC, and yes, again, people have to do what's best for them, and like I said before, I just wanted to point that out.
By the way, I ripped with EAC, and compared encoding with foo_nero against Nero encoder dialog, I guess it's a "fair" comparison.
Best regards.
I already had all the current dll's, but everything was in a separate directory with Nencode. For some reason, that was not producing gapless files. I copied those exact same dll's to the Foobar2000 directory and now it's gapless.
Is it necessary to update all the dll's in my nencode directory, or simply aacenc32.dll?
Not sure. I did them all just to be safe.
I think the change that fixes the gappless bug is in aac.dll. That is because when I ran my initial tests, I had not put the upgraded aacenc32.dll in. As the aove posts indicate, that file is not in the nbr6303 installer, but it is in the other packages.
would be really nice if ahead could make a standalone aac encoding package. (if cli encoder is not an option, it is annoying to upgrade everything every time...)
Nero6 haven't crashed yet on my computer, and I use it big time: transcoding dvds to nerodigital with he-aac, and I (have to) watch them with Nero Showtime. The one feature I really really think is missing in Showtime is playlist support... To be able to play my short comics, Pink Panther, Roadrunner and Donald Ducks five movies in-a-row for my kid.... If the guys at Ahead keep nerodigital users locked with Showtime, I would appreciate that they keep on improving Showtime...
So far so good, I am quite happy with Nero6...
edit:typos
Yes, like you said, it works, but I'm experiencing some "not exactly" file sizes, I made several tests comparing foo_nero against Nero itself, the difference may be not as much as you're probably thinking, but either way, it's not like the "warn" feeling that tells you foo_nero it's "exactly" the same as using Nero for AAC encoding... although I'm very happy with foo_nero, it has helped me a lot, thanks to Case.
My own experience:
CD to WAV: EAC
Nero Version: 6.3.0.3 (Nero AAC Codec 2.6.1.9).
WAV to M4A: foo_nero @ 128 kbps gave a 4.325.376 bytes file, and so did Nero 6 encoding interface.
Compared the two files with foo_bitcompare:
INFO (foo_bitcompare) : no differences in decoded data found
INFO (foo_bitcompare) : finished successfully
Now sticking with foo_nero (too good to have my m4a extension automatically determined).
Hope it helps...
i would never buy nero till they allow me to install only the parts i would use ... i have bought CoolEdit, and i don't wanna use nero's editor for example .... this is not that dificult
Compared the two files with foo_bitcompare: INFO (foo_bitcompare) : no differences in decoded data found
INFO (foo_bitcompare) : finished successfully
Now sticking with foo_nero (too good to have my m4a extension automatically determined).
Actually, I got a foo_bitcompare "no differences in decoded data found" message too, but apparently you didn't get my point. Just let me give you some examples:
Transparent profile:
Made with Nero:
Duran Duran - Come Undone.mp4 (6 306 583 bytes)
Made with foo_nero:
Duran Duran - Come Undone.mp4 (6 306 482 bytes)
CBR 128 kbits/s:
Made with Nero:
Duran Duran - Come Undone.mp4 (4 505 258 bytes)
Made with foo_nero:
Duran Duran - Come Undone.mp4 (4 505 157 bytes)
I don't know what does cause this strange behavior, but it'd be nice if someone explain it to me .
PS: I did the "Database->Reload info from file(s)" process twice for every single file, so their sizes are confirmed.
Different tagging
foo_nero does it's own tagging.
Menno
I see menno, that's all I wanted to know .
Thanks in advance.
Best regards.
I don't know what does cause this strange behavior, but it'd be nice if someone explain it to me .
I'm just taking a shot in the dark here, but perhaps the padding on the metadata tags is different. <captain obvious>With the two example sizes given, it looks like each one differ by about 101 bytes.</captain obvious>
Different tagging
foo_nero does it's own tagging.
Menno
This would also explain why my two files were same sized: I hadn't tagged them at all.
I haven't seen a 2.6.1.9 version of foo_nero yet. Guess I need to be more patient
i would never buy nero till they allow me to install only the parts i would use ... i have bought CoolEdit, and i don't wanna use nero's editor for example .... this is not that dificult
You're right about that - if you install only Nero Burning Rom v6.3.0.3 (package 1) you get the older AAC/M4A Encoder - You have to install Package2 (nerovision etc) to get the new one...
Until that point you have gotten :
- Nero
- Nero Express
- NeroVision Express
- Nero CoverEditor
- nero Toolkit
- Nero Virtual Drive
- Nero BackItUp!
- Nero Wave Editor
- Nero Recode
- AAC, MP3Pro Plugins
(Did i forget something?)
One good point for that huge bundle is the quite a low price (49,90 Eur) for future updates too (until nero 7.0.0.1 is out some fine day - then just upgrade!)
And ... CoolEdit (=Adobe Audition) is quite a pricefull for it's simple functionality!
Cheers for that one !
One good point for that huge bundle is the quite a low price (49,90 Eur) for future updates too (until nero 7.0.0.1 is out some fine day - then just upgrade!)
even if i think they should provide a standard (30?), pro (40?), and deluxe (50) nero bundles, i don't even mind paying 50, but i want to have option of installing what *I* want ... Audition is prety good indeed
kwanbis,
There is now a Cool Edit/Adobe Audition full version plug-in for MPEG 4 Audio. I bought the first copy as it just came out the other day. It is $29.00 U.S. and does unlimited encoding/decoding. Right now they only do straight .AAC MPEG 4 Audio files, but will soon be adding MP4 file container format support also.
For more info see the thread at:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....howtopic=18037& (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18037&)
Regards.
I haven't seen a 2.6.1.9 version of foo_nero yet. Guess I need to be more patient
No need to update foo_nero for the new encoder I think.
Even if i think they should provide a standard (30?), pro (40?), and deluxe (50) nero bundles, i don't even mind paying 50, but i want to have option of installing what *I* want ... Audition is pretty good indeed
You are absolutely right at this point - when a big company sells products for different needs, they should be selectable by customers - as in many cases they are - just look InterVideo (fe); all their apps and plugins are sold separately or bundled just like the CUSTOMER needs.
In Nero Bundle :
- One needs just to burn / convert !
- The other needs video editing and making DVD's, maybe recoding a 7GB DVD to one 4.3GB with still good quality.
- And someone only needs the audioplayers / convertors - maybe the audio-editor too.
(Or just takes backup of the system files wit Nero backItUp!)
So they are all different products - why making a 'must-pay' bundle of them all - even by losing functionality if all are not installed (as i mentioned the Nero Digital Audio HE-AAC-Encoder versioning case between Nero Main (6.3.0.3) & NeroVision Express 2 v2.1.0.8)!
One funny thing is that they sell the MPEG-2 Encoder / Decoder as separate (it's part of the full bundle) - i cannot imagine anyone else than a hacker to need that one to get a poor-keygenned version to make MPEG-files and DVD's?
But, money makes the world go round and many are still buying that whole bundle (as i have done) - but i feel a bit bad, because i only need about half of the whole stack!
P.S. Adobe Audition IS good (maybe best) SW for audio editing / mixing and does have many input / output format plugins and more are coming soon (having that one myself too upgraded from Cool Edit Pro 2)
Antsa
If you use the transparent or extreme presets for AAC, is there any reason to upgrade for AAC quality from 2.6.1.1 to 2.6.1.9???
Yes, 2.6.1.9's ATH applies to all CBR/VBR modes.
Sorry for being ignorant, but what is ATH?
All praise the mighty Google...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_Threshold_of_Hearing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_Threshold_of_Hearing)
Wow!!!
Has anyone else seen the jump in files sizes using the same preset but moving from 2.6.1.1 to 2.6.1.9?????
I use the transparent setting (also named normal:high). Under this setting, file sizes ranged from 140-190 with an average of about 175 under 2.6.1.1. After upgrading, the same files now range from 170-220 with an average of about 195 - or almost the exact same size as LAME alt preset standard. Transparent setting was used in both cases.
Foobar was used as the front end. Itunes is where I am reading the bit rates from.
What happened to cause a 15% increase in file size??? Is this the ATH improvement?
Has anyone else seen the jump in files sizes using the same preset but moving from 2.6.1.1 to 2.6.1.9?????
I use the transparent setting (also named normal:high). Under this setting, file sizes ranged from 140-190 with an average of about 175 under 2.6.1.1. After upgrading, the same files now range from 170-220 with an average of about 195 - or almost the exact same size as LAME alt preset standard. Transparent setting was used in both cases.
Yes, I was curious about this myself. I was using the extreme preset for 2.6.1.1 and after installing the 2.6.1.9 I was pretty shocked to see the average bitrate climbing to about 240-250 on average. It seems that the 10-25 more kbps on are used in 2.6.1.9 than in 2.6.1.1, on average of course. Since I've upgraded to 2.6.1.9 I've started using the transparent profile instead of extreme.
My question would be is it supposed to be that way, or will it revert back to the previous bitrates on the next release? If I'm going to start doing a lot of encoding, I would like to keep it fairly consistent.
If I'm going to start doing a lot of encoding, I would like to keep it fairly consistent.
As would I. The new new upgrade presents a rather dramatic change in files size. I'm wondering if I should drop to one of the streaming settings?
I was just reading this thread, sorry if posting this here is at the wrong location, moderator could move it to foobar 3d party or whatever would be appropriate if that should be the case.
It's just that I haven't been able to use Case's foo_nero yet - and I use his compiles of almost everything else to great satisfaction - but my attempts at foo_nero, 3 or 4 attempts from, I think foobar 0.76 'till present beta, each time downloading foo_nero afresh from site incase of fresh compile, have failed miserably. Dropping foo_nero into "Components" and starting foobar2000 then CPU goes straight to 100%, whole system turns to sludge and I have to call up task manager (which now uses approximately 20 mins to open) and kill process "foobar2000.exe" in order to regain control over my machine.....
I have Athlon Thunderbird 1.2 GHz, 512 Mb RAM, XP sp1a, last months Nero demo version....
Anybody else had any trouble with foo_nero...?
Do you have all of the Nero dll's in the C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\AudioPlugins directory?
Edit: I suppose this should be in the Foobar2000 forum.
Do you have all of the Nero dll's in the C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\AudioPlugins directory?
Edit: I suppose this should be in the Foobar2000 forum.
Yes.
But I also have the lot of the ones from http://neroplugins.cd-rw.org/ (http://neroplugins.cd-rw.org/) same place... maybe that could have something to do with it... Hadn't thought of that 'till now...
Edit: I suppose this should be in the Foobar2000 forum.
Ok. Sorry. I'll open a new thread under 3d part then....
I made the same mistake earlier with a foo_nero question
I made the same mistake earlier with a foo_nero question
Youre absolutely right, at second thought I realise I should have postet in correct group to begin with....
Posted same Q. here: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....howtopic=18525& (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18525&)