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Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2175 –
Quote from: lokilin on
Really need 64 bit version for v2!
Can't leave v1 for media server......
Updating this very fine component seems not to be a simple task.
It's based on an old UPnP library that is not even Unicode aware (in addition, uppercase and lowercase letters appear separate when sorting).
In fact, its developer recommends MinimServer as replacement - not a good option, since it lacks the true beauty of foo_upnp: the ability to use foobar2000 title formatting functions (a must-have in my view).
A pity.

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2176 –
The licensed MinimServer product is amazing. Whilst it's not going to support foobar's title formatting it has its own tag formatting that is very powerful.
Coupled with the BubbleUPnP control point it's the gold standard in UPnP.

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2177 –
Quote from: pstrg on
Quote from: lokilin on
Really need 64 bit version for v2!
Can't leave v1 for media server......
Updating this very fine component seems not to be a simple task.
It's based on an old UPnP library that is not even Unicode aware (in addition, uppercase and lowercase letters appear separate when sorting).
In fact, its developer recommends MinimServer as replacement - not a good option, since it lacks the true beauty of foo_upnp: the ability to use foobar2000 title formatting functions (a must-have in my view).
A pity.
Agreed - having tried many UPnP servers nothing comes close in terms of flexibility.
A workaround I have come to is have 1.6 portable with foo_upnp running minimized at startup, then have a seperate v2 portable as my "listening" instance.
The benefit of that is the server is always running while the computer is on, not just when FB2K is open.

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2178 –
Quote from: iangk on
Quote from: pstrg on
Quote from: lokilin on
Really need 64 bit version for v2!
Can't leave v1 for media server......
Updating this very fine component seems not to be a simple task.
It's based on an old UPnP library that is not even Unicode aware (in addition, uppercase and lowercase letters appear separate when sorting).
In fact, its developer recommends MinimServer as replacement - not a good option, since it lacks the true beauty of foo_upnp: the ability to use foobar2000 title formatting functions (a must-have in my view).
A pity.
Agreed - having tried many UPnP servers nothing comes close in terms of flexibility.
A workaround I have come to is have 1.6 portable with foo_upnp running minimized at startup, then have a seperate v2 portable as my "listening" instance.
The benefit of that is the server is always running while the computer is on, not just when FB2K is open.
Yeah I just run V1 and V2 in same time now XD.

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2179 –
foo_upnp stopped working on a single computer

Windows 10
Just verified that foo_upnp is not working anymore (is grayed out on Devices and Printers and renderers do not find it on the network).
Of course, server is started and - AFAIK - nothing has been changed on foobar2000 configuration.
On another computer, it works as usual; that computer has the same settings as those on the main computer.
Applied Network reset on the computer with the problem - did not resolve the issue.
Computer contibues to be reachable, has no other network problem to my knowledge.

Where to look in order to see what's happening?

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2180 –
Quote from: iangk on
Agreed - having tried many UPnP servers nothing comes close in terms of flexibility.
A workaround I have come to is have 1.6 portable with foo_upnp running minimized at startup, then have a seperate v2 portable as my "listening" instance.
The benefit of that is the server is always running while the computer is on, not just when FB2K is open.
Interesting.
Any reason to run v2 portable instead of installable?

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2181 –
Quote from: pstrg on
Quote from: iangk on
Agreed - having tried many UPnP servers nothing comes close in terms of flexibility.
A workaround I have come to is have 1.6 portable with foo_upnp running minimized at startup, then have a seperate v2 portable as my "listening" instance.
The benefit of that is the server is always running while the computer is on, not just when FB2K is open.
Interesting.
Any reason to run v2 portable instead of installable?

It makes running more than one instance easy. Haven't tried running portable + installed instances together.

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2182 –
Quote from: iangk on
It makes running more than one instance easy. Haven't tried running portable + installed instances together.
Works fine.
I usually did that in order to listen to something while tagging something else.
Now, with the imminent incompatibility of foo_upnp will run it with 1.x portable.

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2183 –
there is x64 for 2.0?

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2184 –
I'm running 0.99.49 on media PC fine, but only as renderer (not server). Problem is that renderer is not visible remotely after PC goes to sleep and wakes. Does not mater f I use other computer as remote of smartphone (Linn app for example). Foobar itself runs and plays music after waking from sleep, if I interact from media PC itself, but remotely it is not visible. I have to Stop and Start it from preferences OR restart Foobar. Then it appears on other devices immediatly. Does not matter if I use WiFi or Ethernet. PC itself is available (via RDP or Samba) after sleep, so network/IP is not a problem. Any clue ?

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2185 –
I run a portable instalation of Foobar2000 v.2.0 32bits in wine and the best for me is that I can make playlists and access in my foobar2000 in a Android TV.

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2186 –
Hello,
I also use only the UPNP renderer.
I send my music from my mobile like this to FB2K , which works as I am used to including visualizations and Waveform Minibar. I have FB2K displayed on my TV. That's the way I like it.

But I don't let the computer fall asleep. When I'm not using it, I turn it off. I usually don't have a problem logging my cell phone to UPNP render in FB2K.

I would say that the foo_upnp component is already outdated as a UPNP server.

But if it could be converted to the current Renderer form, I would be very happy. Something like UPnP MediaRenderer Input (+control point).

Regards PES

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2187 –
Hello, i have an issue with this great plugin. i use Bubbbleupnp on phone and server on pc, Phone > Foobar upnp > dephonica >DAC

If i play songs of same samplerate foobar plays till i stop, if have an playlist with different samplerates ,it will stop if next song have antoher samplerate, and it does not matter if it higher or lower, it just stops, and i need manually to pres play on Bubbleupnp on phone to restart it. And i need to press two times, the first time it just stops.
And i have tried diferent buufers both in foobar and on bubbleupnp..
I have used id before on an Marantz SR7010, and i did not have this issue back then.
I have tested this config with Jriver, and it works, only flaw there is that i cant get rid of problem with missing the first 2-7 seconds of every track. Therefore i wantted to use foobar upnp instead, like it much better, the whole program and layout is just my style.
Windows 11
Foobar 1.1.16 with foo_upnp server, controller latest.
Dephonica crossover for activer system playback.
DAC Antelope Audio Orion Studio Syrergy Core
Teamviwer linked to an Tab A8 so i can use the PC if i need to surf.
HDMI Dummyplug to get a good resolution to the tablet.

PC Spec:
AMD 5800x
Corsair 32GB Pro SL
Strix x-570E-gaming, almost the latest bios
Sapphire 5700XT
Sandisk 250gb SSD
Samsung 980PRO game disk

I cant figure this one out, it should not stop with samplerate change.

Thanks in advance
Best regards




Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2188 –
Good evening!  :)
Has anyone encountered such a problem: on a PC, foobar2000 plays tracks in the playlist "UPnP Controller Playback Queue" on the streamer, the track ends and the next one starts automatically, while in the status bar of UPnP Controller it can be seen that the track is played as mp3  :-\  and it is audible in low quality. However, if the same track is restarted via Stop/Play or by double-clicking, then it starts again in its original quality.
I'm confused!..  :'(

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2189 –
Hello everyone,  to all + especially to developer @bubbleguuum .
Related to plugin functionality: when Foobar stats BOTH server and render of Foobar start automatically. Is it possible to change settings that way to it start either/or? Perhaps modify some plugin config file?
Please help!
Best Regards
WW

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2190 –
@Wlodek74 : I believe the plugin will automatically remember that previous state selected at startup. So if you wanted only the server but not the renderer to automatically start, just click "Stop server" on the renderer.

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2191 –
Quote from: iangk on
@Wlodek74 : I believe the plugin will automatically remember that previous state selected at startup. So if you wanted only the server but not the renderer to automatically start, just click "Stop server" on the renderer.

@iangk Amazing!! Works. So simple that I even didn't check this possibility before asking question :) :)

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2192 –
How to set a password for local connections too? Seems like it allows to set a password for the case when source IP is not in local network only.

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2193 –
Quote from: VEG on
How to set a password for local connections too? Seems like it allows to set a password for the case when source IP is not in local network only.
There's no way to secure UPnP on the LAN.
When connecting to a remote server it must be using a different protocol.

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2194 –
Hi All,
Perhaps this topic was already discussed but it's over my to read 88 pages  ;)
This is important topic if we speak about high end audio:
HARDWARE:
I am planning to run barebone, max stripped Win10 (nothing but Edge, about 120 processes in background) and of course Foobar2000 + foo_upnp on ATOM D525 motherboard - duo core/quad threads, 1,8MHz CPU (which happens to be laying around). 4Gb RAM, 2Tb SSD
Source for Foobar library will be mentioned 2Tb SSD disk.
Network 1Gb (real, measured speed 1,1Gb)
Computer will be headless ONLY for this purpose. Playback will be on other machine
I have quite lot 192kHz FLAC files in my collection if it matters.
QUESTION: Is this hardware "strong" enough to make sure stream will be uninterrupted and original quality?
PS. I tested Win10 on it and it runs nicely (not a speed daemon but just OK)

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2195 –
Quote from: Wlodek74 on
Hi All,
Perhaps this topic was already discussed but it's over my to read 88 pages  ;)
This is important topic if we speak about high end audio:
HARDWARE:
I am planning to run barebone, max stripped Win10 (nothing but Edge, about 120 processes in background) and of course Foobar2000 + foo_upnp on ATOM D525 motherboard - duo core/quad threads, 1,8MHz CPU (which happens to be laying around). 4Gb RAM, 2Tb SSD
Source for Foobar library will be mentioned 2Tb SSD disk.
Network 1Gb (real, measured speed 1,1Gb)
Computer will be headless ONLY for this purpose. Playback will be on other machine
I have quite lot 192kHz FLAC files in my collection if it matters.
QUESTION: Is this hardware "strong" enough to make sure stream will be uninterrupted and original quality?
PS. I tested Win10 on it and it runs nicely (not a speed daemon but just OK)
Is there really no other media server out there that meets your requirements? foo_upnp has been abandoned long ago now, and running Windows like this just doesn't seem like a sensible idea.

With reference to your question, even a Raspberry Pi is capable of serving 192kHz FLAC files, as all it's doing is serving files over http.
 

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2196 –
@SimBun  Thank you for your answer. Just for my understanding - why "running Windows like this just doesn't seem like a sensible idea" ? It wouldn't be sensible indeed, if I have to buy hardware or software. But since I have it "in the drawer" and cost me nothing why it doesn't makes sense? What am I miss?
Long story short - since Atom processor is "stronger" then RsbPi I may assume it should work flawlessly ?

PS regarding foo_upnp - I just found it to organize my library on remote device best. I tested many and didn't like it. Any recommendation from your side?

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2197 –
Quote from: Wlodek74 on
Just for my understanding - why "running Windows like this just doesn't seem like a sensible idea" ? It wouldn't be sensible indeed, if I have to buy hardware or software. But since I have it "in the drawer" and cost me nothing why it doesn't makes sense? What am I miss?
I just mean that it's a whole lot of OS for a media server really.

Quote from: Wlodek74 on
Long story short - since Atom processor is "stronger" then RsbPi I may assume it should work flawlessly ?
If you're not doing anything to the audio itself (upsampling, transcoding e.t.c.) then CPU load will be minimal, and given even 192kHz files are tiny in terms of bandwidth usage (<10Mbps) there'll be almost no load from the media server.

Quote from: Wlodek74 on
PS regarding foo_upnp - I just found it to organize my library on remote device best. I tested many and didn't like it. Any recommendation from your side?
I personally use the paid version of MinimServer which is probably the closest thing you'll get to foo_upnp, but if you haven't customised foo_upnp the free version of MinimServer will do much the same.
I haven't used foo_upnp much, just enough to know some of its foibles (alphabetical ordering and strange track numbering for 2 and 3 disc albums), but I know it's very powerful, and having used BubbleUPnP for years (the same author) know that if development had continued it would almost certainly have been the best.

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2198 –
Quote from: SimBun on
Quote from: VEG on
How to set a password for local connections too? Seems like it allows to set a password for the case when source IP is not in local network only.
There's no way to secure UPnP on the LAN.
When connecting to a remote server it must be using a different protocol.

That might sound crazy, but I added it using nginx that proxifies all the requests to foo_upnp and adds basic authentication. I expose it indirectly to the internet afterwards, and I trust nginx more for this purpose =)

Re: foo_upnp

Reply #2199 –
Quote from: SimBun on
I personally use the paid version of MinimServer which is probably the closest thing you'll get to foo_upnp, but if you haven't customised foo_upnp the free version of MinimServer will do much the same.

Depending on your use case, though, there doesn't seem to be a equivalent to foobar2000 + foo_upnp. In my case, for example, I have playlists set up in foobar2000 and basically have BubbleUPnP on my phone set up connect to that foobar2000 instance where all my playlists are accessible as-is. Any dynamic playlists (recently added, recently played) that are specific to that foobar2000 instance carry over perfectly. Using another UPnP server like MinimServer means you now have to maintain separate playlists or find a way to automate syncing of playlists from foobar2000 to MinimServer. But you're right, if your goal is simply to library separately from foobar2000, then MinimServer sounds like it fits the bill. For everything else, foo_upnp was a godsend since effectively presented everything you had in foobar2000 remotely.