Okay so i bought the HD280 Pro as i read it was good, with accurate sound and such.
But i am not satisfied with it, the first is the pressure it gives, it´s like i am on the verge of getting a headache, but still not getting one.
Maybe it will disappear through use, maybe not.
But more importantly, the sound.
even my Cheap AKG something, sound better with the bass.
Now i am not one who wants enormous bass or something, but you know, normal vibrations feeling kind of bass.
That gives you that feeling.
This just, sound like there is bass, but it isn´t there;S
I tried putting on some bass sound through the night, about 10 hours to see if there is any Burn In effect.
It does sound alot better than from when i first listened, cause then it was like a Tin Can or something.
But it still doesn´t give me that Real sound feeling.
sorry for bad explanation, maybe someone knows about these headphones?
I am thinking about sending them back, but i don´t know what to get.
I want something like this, isolation, more comfortable and better sound.
Thanks:)
The HD-280s are well known for their weak bass. I recommend using EQ.
but that doesn´t work for games youtube etc right;O?
Why would you care to equalize YouTube signal? There are soundcards that can do processing anywhere in the signal path. I also happen to own a pair of AKG 141's and don't consider them "cheap". Both his and bass are perfect. Although, true bass can only be experienced with loudspeakers.
Why would you care to equalize YouTube signal? There are soundcards that can do processing anywhere in the signal path. I also happen to own a pair of AKG 141's and don't consider them "cheap". Both his and bass are perfect. Although, true bass can only be experienced with loudspeakers.
I never said what AKG i have, but it´s K512.
And well wahty i care about isn´t really youtube, it´s All as all, every sound.
I don´t really like that i will have to make the player change the sound so that it will sound "right".
If you get what i mean;O!
And well i use my onboard, but have tried my realtek pcie one, but well they sound about the same to me, and i have to use the onboard for serveral reasons.
But what should i do, do you have or anyone else have any recommendation on other headphones?
I Really really want closed one that is very comfortable, you know, cover the Entire ear any stuff:)
And i want good sound(no shit sherlock).
The price range is about Max 200 Dollars i guess?
PS: Cause i don´t guess Burn In will make That big difference from now on (not that i really know anything about it).
Point taken about the AKG model. The ones I have are open type phones, and won't satisfy your criteria.
What is this bass burn-in? Sounds suspicious.
Are you using any kind of amplifier? I have the same headphones combined with a Total Airhead . If I am listening to bass heavy music my ears literally vibrate. Given enough power there is NOTHING wrong with the bass in the phones.
The HD280 PROs are my favourite pair of headphones for 8 years now. I don't use any EQ.
I like them more than my HD595 and HD650.
But what should i do, do you have or anyone else have any recommendation on other headphones?
I Really really want closed one that is very comfortable, you know, cover the Entire ear any stuff:)
If you're mainly going to use your phones at home in a relatively quiet environment, then I suggest you go with open circumaural headphones. Note that
open doesn't mean they don't cover the entire ear (non-circumaural), it just means the sounds is allowed to travel out of the phones on the sides facing away from your ears. To me this has always had two advantages over closed headphones: 1) less sweaty ears and often less pressure on the head because open headphones don't have to be tightly sealed, 2) more natural sound reproduction because open headphones don't have to be tightly sealed. Don't know for sure, but you might be experiencing the latter now, i.e. a bit of destructive interference in the bass, which other people don't. IIRC the HD280s have very low impedance (64 Ohms) so a dedicated amplifier shouldn't be necessary.
Chris
Okay to C.R Helmrich, isn´t it irritating that the sound leaks?
I mean, if i use headphones, and don´t have them tightly, let´s say i lift them a bit, the sound become, very clear, and not in a good way, sound like a mobile phone if you get what i mean.
What i mean with Bass Burn In, isn´t just Bass, it´s the Burn In.
Meaning, if i play from the headphones from day 1, it will sound alot worse(depending on lisener) than from a weeks use.
Like a pair of shoes feels better after about a month than from the first week.
Hmm, well my does vibrate sure, but if i listen to a certain sound, in these headphones it sound very treble and loud with high volume.
And on the others they sound bass like, meaning it doesn´t hurt from the high treble sound.
Does the high sounds smooth out overtime and becomes more balanced?
Cause i have read that these headphones take a very long time to burn in.
Okay to C.R Helmrich, isn´t it irritating that the sound leaks?
I mean, if i use headphones, and don´t have them tightly, let´s say i lift them a bit, the sound become, very clear, and not in a good way, sound like a mobile phone if you get what i mean.
I think I know what you mean. Sound leakage is only irritating for people around you, that's why I wrote "If you're mainly going to use your phones at home ...". When you lift your phones away from your ears, the sound becomes thinner simply because you increased the distance between the speakers and your ears, and the phones were not designed for this increased distance. The issue I was hinting at is that of standing waves, the problem you whitness when playing music over speakers in, say, a bathroom vs. from the center of an outdoor football field. The reflections from the bathroom walls make certain frequencies sound boomy, and others may be attenuated. That's also what can happen in closed headphones between the speakers, your eardrums, and the headphone enclosing.
I'm not convinced that burn-in changes the sound very much. Shoes are made of material whose stiffness can change by wearing the shoes. Speakers, however, are made of metals and plastic (incl. the membrane, I assume) and not in direct contact with your ears. So why should the sound change? What
can change is your
perception of the sound because you get used to the sound of your new phones and might begin to (dis)like it more. So my guess is: no, the sound of your phones will not become smoother or more balanced over time (at least not so much that it changes from "not so good" to "good").
Chris
I think the problem with the 280Pros is that like many closed 'phones, they show a bit of a mechanical resonance formed by earpad springiness and clamping force. It's not as severe as what the Beyer DT48s showed in measurements by far, but it does result in a bit of a depression in the midbass around 100 Hz, where many phones and speakers actually have a slight emphasis. (See measurements. (http://www.innerfidelity.com/headphone-data-sheet-downloads)) Thus they may be seen as lean on bass. Below this, frequency response actually recovers and extends fairly deep. This oddity has actually been known for a long time, as I remember it being discussed when I was active on Head-Fi 6+ years ago.
Partial compensation of this depression should be possible by using them with an output impedance of about 150 ohms. Typical Realtek headphone outs have 75 ohms, better than nothing.
Overall, 280Pros fall more into the "monitor" school of thought. They're more of a studio workhorse than a "fun" headphone. No amount of "burn-in" (the effect of which would be expected to be very small in cans like these) would change that.
280Pros actually aren't bad cans if you need a closed model, i.e. mostly the isolation it affords, and can put up with the heavy clamping force, warm ears and bass oddities. (They're fairly easy to drive, too.) For comfy home use in quiet surroundings, however, open/semi-open models generally are more attractive. All of this has nothing to do with supraaural (on the ear) vs. circumaural (around the ear); all combinations with the former exist.
It is always useful to know where on the globe you are located and what kind of models you have access to. Pricing tends to vary from continent to continent.
I would be less hesitant to recommend Sennheiser's mid-priced open circumaurals (HD558, HD598) if they weren't very sensitive to output impedance and easily mutated into bass monsters (bass is easily sufficient on 0-ohm outputs and gets bloated fairly quickly), let alone the issues with the plastic developing cracks (it may not be as bad as in the preceding HD5x5 models, but apparently it's still there).
Cushions can change their form. And , yes, I have my doubts about burn-in too.
It taked me a few months to understand the sound of HD 650. But it's not necesary because of burn-in process. Probably because it was my first audiophile-class phones.
It wasn't the case for HD 800. The sound has stopped to change after 2-3 days.
Also the sound changes a lot (huges differences) depending how You wear them. http://www.meier-audio.homepage.t-online.de/tipstricks.htm (http://www.meier-audio.homepage.t-online.de/tipstricks.htm)
The main rule is: headphones should be put a little bit down from ear channel and a bit in front (well, the picture says it all)
Even an audiophile-class phones can sound inappropriately if You don't wear them smart way.
Are you using any kind of amplifier? I have the same headphones combined with a Total Airhead . If I am listening to bass heavy music my ears literally vibrate. Given enough power there is NOTHING wrong with the bass in the phones.
Turning up the volume will in fact make bass sound louder given how the equal loudness contours work, but a much better way to accomplish that is just using EQ.
FWIW, heres the foobar2000 EQ settings I use with the HD280s. I came up with it by using replaygain to equalize the loudness of noise in different frequency bands, then adjusted the EQ manually until each band felt equally loud to me.
-4
0
-1
-3
-8
-11
-10
-11
-11
-13
-14
-8
-8
-13
-16
-10
-11
-11
Cushions can change their form. And , yes, I have my doubts about burn-in too.
It taked me a few months to understand the sound of HD 650. But it's not necesary because of burn-in process. Probably because it was my first audiophile-class phones.
It wasn't the case for HD 800. The sound has stopped to change after 2-3 days.
Also the sound changes a lot (huges differences) depending how You wear them. http://www.meier-audio.homepage.t-online.de/tipstricks.htm (http://www.meier-audio.homepage.t-online.de/tipstricks.htm)
The main rule is: headphones should be put a little bit down from ear channel and a bit in front (well, the picture says it all)
Even an audiophile-class phones can sound inappropriately if You don't wear them smart way.
Well i do try to wear them like that, though i don´t really notice a difference, except if i move my head a gap is made. That makes much bass disappear.
But i was wondering about the High Pitch sound from the letter S.
It´s really annoying on these head phones on higher volumes, i do remember it annoyting on my other pair as well, but it was a bit better. The AKG cheap ones have a duller sound so it even that out.
Read that one said HD280 takes forever to burn in and the high pitch will even out eventually, but can someone clarify this?
Thanks:)
It´s really annoying on these head phones on higher volumes, i do remember it annoyting on my other pair as well, but it was a bit better. The AKG cheap ones have a duller sound so it even that out.
What are you listening to?
It´s really annoying on these head phones on higher volumes, i do remember it annoyting on my other pair as well, but it was a bit better. The AKG cheap ones have a duller sound so it even that out.
What are you listening to?
Well pretty much anything, nothing special;S
Okay, think i really need to return this for some others.
Whenever i try some kind of bass thing, i think hmm, it sounds okay;)!
Then i try it on my other two pairs, and they sound alot better on the Smash Bass, where the Hd280 pro sounds like hitting the metal disc.
I can´t think that burn in will make that much difference anymore;S
Not to sure about how it is with the policy of returning headphones.
Can i return them with that 30 days money back thing?
And as i asked before, what can i get for other pairs that is better?
Similar or a bit higher in the price range is possible:)
Okay so i bought the HD280 Pro as i read it was good, with accurate sound and such.
But i am not satisfied with it
Every headpone (and speaker) sounds different, and different people are going to have different preferences. If you are picky about sound quality, you should go a store and
listen before buying. If you can't do that, you've got to understand that you are taking a risk.
And the specifications are not that helpful either... There are different methods for measuring headphones (and speakers), and with headphones, it's difficult to duplicate interaction with the ear. Plus, some manufacturer's seem to "fudge" the specs. If you've got frequency response curves for two diffeerent headphones, from the same (reputable) manufacturer, that might give you a clue. Curves (or a frequency response spec.) from two different manufacturer's is generally useless.
Several years ago, I decided it was time to upgrade from my Koss HV1's. I went to the store, and after listening to several pairs, I decided none of them sounded as good as my Koss... (Those Koss headphones are now dead and gone. )
I've got a pair of HD280's and Grado SR225. I prefer the "open" Grados when I don't need isolation, but neither pair has that much bass. I've also got a pair of
Superlux HD668B's[/u] (http://www.greenflymusicsupply.com/store/Superlux-by-Avlex-HD668B-Enhanced-Bass-Stereo-Headphones-p4076.html)[/url]. These have more bass, and the overall sound is not bad. (For the price, it sounds GREAT!) But, I don't actually listen to headphones that often, and I have not done any A/B listening tests... So, I'm
not making any recommendations.
Not to sure about how it is with the policy of returning headphones.
Can i return them with that 30 days money back thing?
Of course, that would depend on the seller's policies...
Okay so i bought the HD280 Pro as i read it was good, with accurate sound and such.
But i am not satisfied with it
Every headpone (and speaker) sounds different, and different people are going to have different preferences. If you are picky about sound quality, you should go a store and listen before buying. If you can't do that, you've got to understand that you are taking a risk.
And the specifications are not that helpful either... There are different methods for measuring headphones (and speakers), and with headphones, it's difficult to duplicate interaction with the ear. Plus, some manufacturer's seem to "fudge" the specs. If you've got frequency response curves for two diffeerent headphones, from the same (reputable) manufacturer, that might give you a clue. Curves (or a frequency response spec.) from two different manufacturer's is generally useless.
Several years ago, I decided it was time to upgrade from my Koss HV1's. I went to the store, and after listening to several pairs, I decided none of them sounded as good as my Koss... (Those Koss headphones are now dead and gone. )
I've got a pair of HD280's and Grado SR225. I prefer the "open" Grados when I don't need isolation, but neither pair has that much bass. I've also got a pair of Superlux HD668B's[/u] (http://www.greenflymusicsupply.com/store/Superlux-by-Avlex-HD668B-Enhanced-Bass-Stereo-Headphones-p4076.html)[/url]. These have more bass, and the overall sound is not bad. (For the price, it sounds GREAT!) But, I don't actually listen to headphones that often, and I have not done any A/B listening tests... So, I'm not making any recommendations.
Not to sure about how it is with the policy of returning headphones.
Can i return them with that 30 days money back thing?
Of course, that would depend on the seller's policies...
Well sadly there isn´t any good place to test at all around here, so not to much choice;S
I don´t understand the frequency stuff at all sadly, i just want it to sound good overall, no super mega bass, or Surround special edition for gaming etc.
But i am not into headphones at all, i have just bought them random, and have never really thinked that one has lacked this much in the bass department as this.
And i am really not one that want to EQ the bass and stuff like that, i like clear accoustic sound, but i want the drums and rock smashes to be as heavy as they sound, not Kling Klang if you get my meaning.
I loved tha ones i had before Philips SHN9500 which were very comfortable, and had good sound. But i mainly got them for the comfortable part (i have headphones on all day long pretty much).
But sadly they have broken down, and as they aren´t made anymore(i think?) and i don´t really think they are any Audiophile phones at all, but are just expensive for the Active Noise thing (which i don´t use).
I tried to research on something along that range which is.
I'd give a chance to run them during few months. A few times I got some audio hardware and wasn't impressed but later actually got the way it is. But also there were some failures as well. Luckily a cheap ones.
Good alternatives in the similar price range:
Audio Technica ATH-M50, Denon 2000, Sennheiser HD 5xx-6xx, Superlux 668B (aka Samson SR850) http://www.head-fi.org/products/category/headphones (http://www.head-fi.org/products/category/headphones)
I'd give a chance to run them during few months. A few times I got some audio hardware and wasn't impressed but later actually got the way it is. But also there were some failures as well. Luckily a cheap ones.
Good alternatives in the similar price range:
Audio Technica ATH-M50, Denon 2000, Sennheiser HD 5xx-6xx, Superlux 668B (aka Samson SR850) http://www.head-fi.org/products/category/headphones (http://www.head-fi.org/products/category/headphones)
Well i can drag it out about a month as max, as the shop has that 30 days policy, not even sure i can return it after it´s being used.
But would be awesome if it did change to what i want, but there hasn´t really been any change from day 3 and forward;S
Which of those are comfortable for all day use?
And is Cover Entire Ear;O?
Sorry very bad at headphone constructions.
Thanks:)
You can see if it's full size headphones (those cover an ears completely) here http://www.headphone.com/ (http://www.headphone.com/)
As of comfort, I can speak for HD650 and Samson SR850/Superlux HD668B. 650s are comfortable. I can wear them during all day without sweeting or any other issue.
Sennheisers have great velour cushions.
Superlux/Samson are not bad at comfort but they are less comfortable than Sennheiser's.
And well i use my onboard, but have tried my realtek pcie one, but well they sound about the same to me, and i have to use the onboard for serveral reasons.
One of the likely reasons is that your onboard sound adapter isn't driving them well; poor bass reproduction and unexpectedly low maximum volume are the main symptoms of that. If this is the case, you need a separate amplifier or a sound card with a built-in preamp, like E-mu 0404 USB (a good value for its money, and you get to use it with laptops as well). Actually scratch that, if you want "good sound" with headphones as you claim to, there's no way around an amplifier somewhere in the chain.
You can see if it's full size headphones (those cover an ears completely) here http://www.headphone.com/ (http://www.headphone.com/)
As of comfort, I can speak for HD650 and Samson SR850/Superlux HD668B. 650s are comfortable. I can wear them during all day without sweeting or any other issue.
Sennheisers have great velour cushions.
Superlux/Samson are not bad at comfort but they are less comfortable than Sennheiser's.
I am starting to lean towards ATH-M50, it seems like they have the bass that Hd 280 lacks, and all seem to prefer it over the 280.
It cost a bit more about 40% where i live, but if they are comfortable and better, aswell as not leaking much or has a very bad isolating (meaning you can here everything even with music playing easily).
EMU 0404 probably won't be suitable to drive phones with low or middle impedance.
EMU cards have Zo 22 ohms and there is a rule of thumb "Zo should be less than 1/8 of Zphones". EMU cards are suitable to drive phones with impedance of 200 ohms and higher. 280pro has 64 ohms.
EMU 0404 probably won't be suitable to drive phones with low or middle impedance.
EMU cards have Zo 22 ohms and there is a rule of thumb "Zo should be less than 1/8 of Zphones". EMU cards are suitable to drive phones with impedance of 200 ohms and higher. 280pro has 64 ohms.
Don´t really know what you mean, i don´t have any EMU cards;O
I use the Motherboard one currently, and have tried a Realtek one, sound the same, or atleast very close.
Better add a Fiio E5 to your shopping list, until you have proper headphone output you'll be judging any headphone on a false premise.
Turning up the volume will in fact make bass sound louder given how the equal loudness contours work, but a much better way to accomplish that is just using EQ.
I disagree. Any time you are using EQ you are changing the way the music was made to sound. I leave the EQ off. My desktop soundcard just doesn't have the power to drive the headphones to their full potential. Adding the amp to the chain solves that problem. I don't listen full blast, but with a little extra power I can hear everything top to bottom.
I disagree. Any time you are using EQ you are changing the way the music was made to sound. I leave the EQ off.
Any time you are using headphones or loudspeakers you are changing the way the music was made to sound. You can use an EQ to either equalize for that, or make it sound differently.
Okay so i bought the HD280 Pro as i read it was good, with accurate sound and such.
But i am not satisfied with it, the first is the pressure it gives, it´s like i am on the verge of getting a headache, but still not getting one.
Maybe it will disappear through use, maybe not.
You've got your choice - a good seal which implies a certain amount of pressure, or less bass.
But more importantly, the sound.
even my Cheap AKG something, sound better with the bass.
Now i am not one who wants enormous bass or something, but you know, normal vibrations feeling kind of bass.
That gives you that feeling.
This just, sound like there is bass, but it isn´t there;S
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There must be some pretty incredible boom boxes out there, because one thing that HD 280s don't lack is accurate bass.
Either that, or your source just plain can't deliver bass to a headphone load.
I tried putting on some bass sound through the night, about 10 hours to see if there is any Burn In effect.
It does sound alot better than from when i first listened, cause then it was like a Tin Can or something.
But it still doesn´t give me that Real sound feeling.
Burn in is an audiophile myth.
HD280s sounding tinny says to me that something is horribly wrong with the rest of your system. Or the HD280s are fried in ways that I have never seen.
sorry for bad explanation, maybe someone knows about these headphones?
I know about 280s, I know their general rep and I've personally bought over a half dozen.
Tinny bass with a reasonable source? Not in this universe!
Better add a Fiio E5 to your shopping list, until you have proper headphone output you'll be judging any headphone on a false premise.
IME good advice. They also have a mild bass boost switch.
Can't beat the price. If you are integrating them with non-computer home audio, a cheap USB charger like is used with cell phones will keep them alive.
Do you feel anything if you playback 'tone://30' on foobar2000?
I disagree. Any time you are using EQ you are changing the way the music was made to sound. I leave the EQ off.
Any time you are using headphones or loudspeakers you are changing the way the music was made to sound. You can use an EQ to either equalize for that, or make it sound differently.
My diety, you guys love to split hairs. OK headphones change the sound, but without them you can't hear the sound. I prefer to change the sound
as little as possible during playback (on Sundays, when the moon is full, in a room that is exactly 74 degrees Fahrenheit, with shoes and socks on).
The HD380 appear to have moderately better bass response from what I can tell, without having done any blind tests, and don't exhibit as much clamping force as the HD280. I'm a longtime user and fan of the HD280, and the 380 are superior in my opinion.
That said, the HD380 is no bass monster either. That's a trait not commonly (ever?) seen in closed headphone designs, and I for one am extraordinarily thankful for that.
I used to have HD280s. They had AMAZING bass if I held them to my ears. As soon as I let go, the bass went away. I experienced this with almost all headphones, which is why I gave up and got a set of Vandersteen 3A Signatures for the apartment. All the headphones I have tried with good bass have no bass if I do not push the cups to my ears, even the tight ones, and I don't have a pencil sized head. Try that and see what happens.
Do i really need to have an Amplifier when i play on my computer?
Will it really make that much a difference;O?
I read about the ATH-M50 and one said he and a friend compared it to 280 after some burn in, and they immediatly noticed that the 280 lacked the Bass.
Anyone know if it´s better?
How is it for long time use?
And well the one i had before had very good sound, not over treble over anything. Good bass, and they were very comfortable, and they were closed.
Maybe the hd 280 god accurate bass, but if so it´s to Clear for me, i want bass to be bass, not just one punch and very crispy clear.
Thanks:)
In my opinion, no, it will not make much of a difference. The HD280 isn't going to give you the 'boomy' bass you want unless you find an amplifier that will severely color the output, and even then, it's not going to be able to really deliver what I think it is that you seem to want.
That's only my opinion.
In my opinion, no, it will not make much of a difference. The HD280 isn't going to give you the 'boomy' bass you want unless you find an amplifier that will severely color the output, and even then, it's not going to be able to really deliver what I think it is that you seem to want.
That's only my opinion.
Well i don´t really want to change the sound through amplifiying. So don´t think that this is what i need then, maybe for better sound on a headphone i like later on.
But anyone know about the: Sony MDR-7510 - it seems to be very comfortable, but can´t find to much info;O
I read about the ATH-M50 and one said he and a friend compared it to 280 after some burn in...
Again, burn-in doesn't hurt anything (if done properly), but
burn-in is nonsense! Do you
really think these reputable manufacturers are making such an unstable/unreliable product that the sound changes after a few of hours burn-in??? How can they publish specs if the specs change after leaving the factory? Why do audiophiles always hear an improvement, and never degradation after burn in? If the product needs burn-in to achieve peak performance, why doesn't the manufacturer burn-in before the product leaves the factory?
Where I work (non-audio electronics),
we burn-in at the factory. This is
not to improve specs/performance... It's to weed-out the early-failures before we ship. When everything's working properly, the stuff comes-out of burn-in performing exactly the same as before burn-in (within measurement tolerances).
I've
never read an audio review where something
tested differently after burn-in, and I've never heard of blind listening test where a burned-in model was compared to a non-burned-in model. This burn-in "magic" only happens in totally non-scientific, non-blind, listening tests where they have one copy of the item, making A/B testing impossible.
I don´t know, i myself think there is a difference, cause i tried a song which had som beats at the start, and then tried it next day, and it went form Klang to Bam.
One nicely but it that it´s like breaking in a new pair of shoes, and if it´s true, then i can believe in it.
But well i can´t tell if it´s true or not from my perspective.
But still, i need to know if the ATH-M50 has the warmer sound i want, as the 280 is too clear and cold for my taste;S
Or of course if there is any other comfortable headphones out there:)
But well i can´t tell if it´s true or not from my perspective.
Then why bother?
If you're to do something, do it with purpose
But well i can´t tell if it´s true or not from my perspective.
Then why bother?
If you're to do something, do it with purpose
I did it as i think they sounded like a tin can, and was very dissapointed, and for me i think they made a difference, but i can´t prove it, that´s what i meant;D
How are the Sennheiser HD 598?
They seem pretty high end, and aren´t to expensive.
Are they comfortable?
How is the Bass response?
Thanks:)
How are the Sennheiser HD 598?
They seem pretty high end, and aren´t to expensive.
Are they comfortable?
How is the Bass response?
Thanks:)
If it sounds like my HD-595 then I think you will be dissapointed. Less low bass than the HD-280s.
Is Beyerdynamic DT 770 in your price range?
Yeah, but there seems to be many versions with different Ohm;O
EDIT:
It was the pro;S
The normal is alot more expensive, about 140 dollars more than 598;S
But does really the 598 have less bass than the 280?
If it has less, then it will have to sound like a mobile phones bass;S
And many seems to love the soundstage from these.
Should be able to drive the 32 Ohm version from anything I think
Well my ears tell me they have less bass and the graphs seem to indicate that as well:
Graph (http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID%5b%5d=2231&graphID%5b%5d=533&graphID%5b%5d=2851&graphID%5b%5d=2941)
Edit: I have included the M50 also. I think what you might be missing is that dip around the 100Hz range.
Should be able to drive the 32 Ohm version from anything I think
Well my ears tell me they have less bass and the graphs seem to indicate that as well:
Graph (http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID%5b%5d=2231&graphID%5b%5d=533&graphID%5b%5d=2851)
If higher at the low hz means higher bass then it´s one big difference;S
I can´t understand how high the other headphones are then, cause i have never heard this over cleary sound before.
But i am not sure about the pads, i don´t think i like that material if it´s the pushy fluffy thing that are in warm clothers;S
Edit: may be the 100hz dip, i am not good with this kind of stuff;S
Any time you are using EQ you are changing the way the music was made to sound.
There is no headphone/speaker with perfectly flat response. In fact they already come with their own characteristic frequency response (which is far to be flat).
So it's hard to talk about no-EQ/untouched sound by definition.
I see it this way.
There are following variables those have influence on final experience:
1. Human. (his/her own perception of sound, physical properties and shape of head, age etc..)
2. Audio Hardware
3. External conditions (room, noise etc)
... (maybe something more)
It's not just EQ but a lot of interactions between those elements.
EMU 0404 probably won't be suitable to drive phones with low or middle impedance.
EMU cards have Zo 22 ohms and there is a rule of thumb "Zo should be less than 1/8 of Zphones". EMU cards are suitable to drive phones with impedance of 200 ohms and higher. 280pro has 64 ohms.
Hi!
I have EMU 1616M soundcard with HD 280 Pro headphones and I decided to ask you how an output impedance affects the sound. I can't say I don't like sound from my HD 280 Pros but I definately want to know how to make it better if I'll want to do it sometimes.
Thanks for your original post;
If higher at the low hz means higher bass then it´s one big difference;S
The Y-scale is in decibels — higher is louder. Most important is the region between ~90 and ~200 Hz, where you'll find the most meaningful bass information in most genres. You can see that the HD280 is slightly 'deficient' in this region, according to Headroom's measurements, whereas the the DT770, for example, has some significant emphasis. The HD280 has very reasonable bass extension, but it does not emphasize that region. The DT770 therefore will portray bass much more strongly than the HD280. The DT770 is a fair choice assuming you can stomach that much bass.
I can´t understand how high the other headphones are then, cause i have never heard this over cleary sound before.
This is a psychoacoustic effect.
If higher at the low hz means higher bass then it´s one big difference;S
The Y-scale is in decibels — higher is louder. Most important is the region between ~90 and ~200 Hz, where you'll find the most meaningful bass information in most genres. You can see that the HD280 is slightly 'deficient' in this region, according to Headroom's measurements, whereas the the DT770, for example, has some significant emphasis. The HD280 has very reasonable bass extension, but it does not emphasize that region. The DT770 therefore will portray bass much more strongly than the HD280. The DT770 is a fair choice assuming you can stomach that much bass.
I can´t understand how high the other headphones are then, cause i have never heard this over cleary sound before.
This is a psychoacoustic effect.
Hmm i see, well the HD280 just doesn´t give the Bass i need, and not sure about the dt770 if it´s a monster;S
Normally i have never really complained about the bass and such lacking, so this is new for me, but i guess the HD280 is supposed to be like that as a monitor headphone.
But i have read good reviews about the SRH840, which seems to have pretty nice freq around the 100+, but i read some say that it can easily fall off, and that makes me very doubtful of them;S
EDIT:
I read some more, and i now see that people complain on them for the same reason i complain HD280, it´s lack of bass and over treble. The Neutral sound or what it´s called;O
What is this, psychoacoustic effect?
Thanks:)
EMU 0404 probably won't be suitable to drive phones with low or middle impedance.
EMU cards have Zo 22 ohms and there is a rule of thumb "Zo should be less than 1/8 of Zphones". EMU cards are suitable to drive phones with impedance of 200 ohms and higher. 280pro has 64 ohms.
Hi!
I have EMU 1616M soundcard with HD 280 Pro headphones and I decided to ask you how an output impedance affects the sound. I can't say I don't like sound from my HD 280 Pros but I definately want to know how to make it better if I'll want to do it sometimes.
Thanks for your original post;
http://nwavguy.blogspot.com.ar/2011/02/hea...-impedance.html (http://nwavguy.blogspot.com.ar/2011/02/headphone-amp-impedance.html)
http://nwavguy.blogspot.com.ar/2011/02/hea...-impedance.html (http://nwavguy.blogspot.com.ar/2011/02/headphone-amp-impedance.html)
Thanks for reply. I think I should buy external amp in the future. I'm new to this so I should learn some basics before this step.
Why do audiophiles always hear an improvement, and never degradation after burn in?
Very good point!
Do i really need to have an Amplifier when i play on my computer?
Will it really make that much a difference;O?
I read about the ATH-M50 and one said he and a friend compared it to 280 after some burn in, and they immediatly noticed that the 280 lacked the Bass.
I own both, like both, use both almost daily, and don't get this comment at all.
Anyone know if it´s better?
Umm I'd say less bass and brightness in the M50s.
How is it for long time use?
Poorer seal, less bass in the M50s.
And well the one i had before had very good sound, not over treble over anything. Good bass, and they were very comfortable, and they were closed.
Maybe the hd 280 has accurate bass, but if so it´s to Clear for me, i want bass to be bass, not just one punch and very crispy clear.
Add an equalizer, preferably parametric.
(I'm responding mostly to the stuff at the beginning of the thread)
From my experience, I believe the major portion of the burn-in effect is not based in the hardware.
I have multiple headphones which I use (HD 215, HD 490, HD 238, HD 380, superlux HD 668, Samsung OEM earbuds). All of them took some time to get used to. I hadn't used some of those for a long time in the past (and got used to the other one/s) and had to "burn them in" again, which actually meant getting used to the different sound (from the HW point they were already played a lot).
I can imagine when you're used to something which you really like, you will have hard time getting over the differences and switch to something else. My experience is that once you cross a certain price level and enter the high-end, the sound is more about opinion/individual taste than about objective measurements.
(I'm responding mostly to the stuff at the beginning of the thread)
From my experience, I believe the major portion of the burn-in effect is not based in the hardware.
I have multiple headphones which I use (HD 215, HD 490, HD 238, HD 380, superlux HD 668, Samsung OEM earbuds). All of them took some time to get used to. I hadn't used some of those for a long time in the past (and got used to the other one/s) and had to "burn them in" again, which actually meant getting used to the different sound (from the HW point they were already played a lot).
I can imagine when you're used to something which you really like, you will have hard time getting over the differences and switch to something else. My experience is that once you cross a certain price level and enter the high-end, the sound is more about opinion/individual taste than about objective measurements.
Well you may very well be right, as despite complaining about them, i am starting to like how it sounds now;S
It´s pretty weird, but good;O
But about the Amplification, does it make a nice difference of these 60 ohm headphones?
And which is cheap and good ( i don´t Want Hiss sound or something added).
And does it replace my soundcard, or is it just like a passthrough thing?
Do you know the brand/type of the integrated sound card you're using? In case you don't know, you may download and run the CPU-Z application which will tell you what motherboard you have, and then google for the specs.
If you have a fairly recent integrated audio, it may be already good enough and there's no need for an amplifier (which is a pass-through thing and does not replace your sound card). Unless you need it louder than the maximum volume setting of your sound card.
Here it is:
VIA® VT1828S 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC
- Absolute Pitch BD192/24
- DTS Surround Sensation UltraPC
- BD audio layer Content Protection
- Supports Jack-Detection, Multi-streaming, Front Panel Jack-Retasking
- Optical S/PDIF out ports at back I/O
Sadly it doesn´t say a thing to me, just that it has 192khz and 24 bit, some bluray audio thing, and optical output;S
VIA® VT1828S
http://translate.google.es/translate?hl=es...1828s-16-48.htm (http://translate.google.es/translate?hl=es&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ixbt.com%2Fmainboard%2Fasus%2Frmaa%2Fp7p55d-le-vt1828s-16-48.htm)
another + for DT 770 (comfort + bass), however personally i like senn 280 better.
p.s. ears (or something) do adapt however, i have no problems listening to grados sr60 this days (i do remember being annoyed by the high middle range at start ... - they sounded like inverted DT 770).
Your sound card looks good. If I were you, I would try to compare it to some other source (like a CD or DVD player) and if you don't find any problems, I would just use it as it is.
Your sound card looks good. If I were you, I would try to compare it to some other source (like a CD or DVD player) and if you don't find any problems, I would just use it as it is.
I tried it on my Mobile Phone (Samsung, Android).
And well, sounded pretty much the same as the PC, didn´t notice any real difference;O
another + for DT 770 (comfort + bass), however personally i like senn 280 better.
Some years back I tried a friend's pair of DT 770. In my personal opinion, the highs were much too pronounced, in an ear-splitting way. Morale: audition before buying.
I also recommend EQing to taste. If your phones are lacking bass, they are the ones being "unpure"! Show 'em who's boss and EQ them to purity! Want more bass? Go ahead, Dr. Dre approves.
I tried it on my Mobile Phone (Samsung, Android).
And well, sounded pretty much the same as the PC, didn´t notice any real difference;O
Badly mastered music?
Well, I meant comparing it to a device which is more likely to have a good headphone output (and which is primarily made for music listening, like a stand-alone CD player). Some reference source which you know is good enough. (This applies to both the HW and music used in the test).
I'm not saying that portable players have to be worse but they're more likely to feature HW compromises due to the form factor and power requirements.