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Reply #1050 –
Eeeps, I was wrong when I said that I had solved the problem of converting on the fly  . Here is a screenshot showing the problem:

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EDIT: I checked my "Additional encoder executable locations" and added my foobar2k folder. It has "lame.exe", "flac.exe", "neroAacEnc.exe" in it. Didn't solve the problem.

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Reply #1051 –
Quote from: Keikonium on
Musicmusic,

Sorry if this has been asked before, but does this support the 80 GB and/or 160 GB iPod classics? I didn't see this model in the list of supported iPods, and was just wondering if this will work when I get a 80/160 in a few weeks.

Thanks  .
I have an 80GB Classic and foo_dop works fine with mine, at least on the music side. I have not tried it with videos yet.
Surf's Up!
"Columnated Ruins Domino"

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Reply #1052 –
Quote from: drbeachboy on
Quote from: Keikonium on
Musicmusic,

Sorry if this has been asked before, but does this support the 80 GB and/or 160 GB iPod classics? I didn't see this model in the list of supported iPods, and was just wondering if this will work when I get a 80/160 in a few weeks.

Thanks  .
I have an 80GB Classic and foo_dop works fine with mine, at least on the music side. I have not tried it with videos yet.


Good to know . Thank you for the info . Perhaps an update to the supported models list is in order, Musicmusic?
Song List: keikoniumboards.ke.funpic.org/files/songlist.html

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Reply #1053 –
If you go here Supported iPod Model on musicmusic's "iPod manager" page, the Classic is listed as "6G (classic)".
Surf's Up!
"Columnated Ruins Domino"

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Reply #1054 –
Thanks, no more crashes. Ive been having a problem lately, though. Sometimes I have to restart foobar or my ipod wont get detected. Im not 100% sure, but it seems like this happens after my computer comes back from standby. This might have something to do with apple's device services rather than your plugin, since itunes seems to do this occasionally also.

Also, I sometimes start to get an I/O Error when I try any ipod operation until I restart foobar. Again, its happened a few times and I can't pinpoint a pattern yet, but Ill let you known if I figure it out (and I dont have the exact error text, but ill add it here next time it happens). One of the times it happened was right after adding a large number of files. I sent about 100 songs and it transferred the files and the art, then when it got to updating the database I got an I/O error and the files didnt get added to the database. I just remembered that this was just after I had cleaned all the songs off, so maybe this is what caused the problem. Is foo_dop able to handle an empty database?

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Reply #1055 –
Quote from: Harun on
i'm too lazy to search this thread to see if this question/request has been asked  , but:

is there a possibility to add a queuing feature to foo_dop when you're in the process of adding files?

right now you get the 'ipod is busy' notification, and if i am going through my music library adding albums one by one, i have to wait until foo_dop is done adding songs until i do it all over again. and again. and again.   
Hi,
I'll keep that in mind, but I am not planning to change it soon. I would suggest you just queue them up in a playlist instead.

Quote from: Saturos on
Eeeps, I was wrong when I said that I had solved the problem of converting on the fly  . Here is a screenshot showing the problem:

and my encoder settings:

I would like to add that the "Convert to" dialog works perfectly fine, converting from FLAC to mp4, everything to anything, so I have no idea what I did wrong for the foo_dop plugin. 

EDIT: I checked my "Additional encoder executable locations" and added my foobar2k folder. It has "lame.exe", "flac.exe", "neroAacEnc.exe" in it. Didn't solve the problem.

1. Try updating to the latest version of foo_dop
2. Converter settings do not affect foo_dop.

Quote from: alphaex32 on
Sometimes I have to restart foobar or my ipod wont get detected. Im not 100% sure, but it seems like this happens after my computer comes back from standby. This might have something to do with apple's device services rather than your plugin, since itunes seems to do this occasionally also.
Hmm. I'd need to know the sequent of connected/disconnected messages in the console when going into/coming out of standby. BTW: My laptop freezes during POST (maybe after but during BIOS startup sequence) if my iPod Classic in connected when coming out of hibernation...

Quote from: alphaex32 on
Also, I sometimes start to get an I/O Error when I try any ipod operation until I restart foobar. Again, its happened a few times and I can't pinpoint a pattern yet, but Ill let you known if I figure it out (and I dont have the exact error text, but ill add it here next time it happens). One of the times it happened was right after adding a large number of files. I sent about 100 songs and it transferred the files and the art, then when it got to updating the database I got an I/O error and the files didnt get added to the database.
Eugh, sounds like the connection to the iPod touch is randomly dying. Yes, the exact error would be helpful. Also, I would like to know if rather than restarting foobar, disconnecting and reconnecting the iPod works.

Quote from: alphaex32 on
Is foo_dop able to handle an empty database?
Yes. But if your touch/iPhone is in 'first run' mode (with iTunes screen) it won't clear that.
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Reply #1056 –
Hi, I cant get foobar to see the iPod (Touch) at all.... my details are the following:
.) I have intalled the AppleMobileDeviceService (7.6) (and can see it running under task manager).
.) I DONT have iTunes installed. I have it installed in a VM and the iPod connects to it with no problems.
.) The iPod already has music on it, from iTunes. I have manual sync enabled.
.) I have enabled mobile device support in foobar settings
.) When I first connected the iPod, windows recognized it and said that its ready for use. However, when connected, I cant see it anywhere under windows. Its not under My Computer as a camera, and the only mention of it in device manager is under Universal Serial Bus controllers - Apple iPod. [though this is normal I think].

Suffice to say Im out of ideas.... 

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Reply #1057 –
It's not supposed to show up under windows as a storage device. Check your foobar console to see if its connecting to the ipod.

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Reply #1058 –
Quote from: alphaex32 on
It's not supposed to show up under windows as a storage device. Check your foobar console to see if its connecting to the ipod.

Good point about the console, forgot about it....this is what I have:

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Apple Mobile Device: error: AMDeviceValidatePairing returned 3892314149
Apple Mobile Device: error: AMDeviceStartSession returned 3892314149
Apple Mobile Device: error: AMDeviceStartService (AFC) returned 3892314142

Any ideas? I even tried reinstalling Apple's mobile device support driver from the iTunes installer..

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Reply #1059 –
Based on that, it looks like its having trouble starting the mobile device service. You might want to try installing itunes just to see if that solves it. You can always uninstall it  Hopefully musicmusic will have more insight.

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Reply #1060 –
Thanks so much for creating such a wonderful plugin.  Works nicely for my iPhone so far....

I have read through this thread, and I see that embedded art is not currently supported.  I was curious if this is a feature that is in the roadmap for this plugin, or if I should go back to saving artwork in the folder as a separate file....as of 0.9.5 I had been embedding everything.

Either way, many kudos for allowing us to use the iPhone without the need for cumbersome iTunes.

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Reply #1061 –
Quote from: RainDawg on
Thanks so much for creating such a wonderful plugin.  Works nicely for my iPhone so far....

I have read through this thread, and I see that embedded art is not currently supported.  I was curious if this is a feature that is in the roadmap for this plugin, or if I should go back to saving artwork in the folder as a separate file....as of 0.9.5 I had been embedding everything.


I second this question. I have all my music as flac with embedded art. When I send it to the iPod, it doesn't convert the art as well. 

Is there a tagging application that will search for embedded art and save it to the folder of the file as folder.jpg?

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Reply #1062 –
Thanks for the plugin - .35 is working great on my wife's iPhone.

One issue:  in CoverFlow view, all of the album art is transparent.  I am pretty sure that art loaded from iTunes is not.  Is there an easy fix for this?

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Reply #1063 –
Quote from: wallybio on
Is there a tagging application that will search for embedded art and save it to the folder of the file as folder.jpg?

MP3Tag does this - just define a user action that does "Extract cover" and use "folder" (without an extension) as the filename.

Now just plop all your MP3 folders into the program, select them all and run your newly created action on them.
np: 4'33"

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Reply #1064 –
Quote from: mystNZ on
Quote from: alphaex32 on

It's not supposed to show up under windows as a storage device. Check your foobar console to see if its connecting to the ipod.

Good point about the console, forgot about it....this is what I have:

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Apple Mobile Device: error: AMDeviceValidatePairing returned 3892314149
Apple Mobile Device: error: AMDeviceStartSession returned 3892314149
Apple Mobile Device: error: AMDeviceStartService (AFC) returned 3892314142

Any ideas? I even tried reinstalling Apple's mobile device support driver from the iTunes installer..

I think this means the encryption keys are missing or something - they are usually in "%appdata%\Apple Computer\Lockdown\".

You could try copying that folder from your VM. If that doesn't work installing iTunes is the way to go.

[edit] I may be able to fix this also so foo_dop does the pairing itself. You can wait for that if you want.

Quote from: RainDawg on
Thanks so much for creating such a wonderful plugin.  Works nicely for my iPhone so far....

I have read through this thread, and I see that embedded art is not currently supported.  I was curious if this is a feature that is in the roadmap for this plugin, or if I should go back to saving artwork in the folder as a separate file....as of 0.9.5 I had been embedding everything.

Either way, many kudos for allowing us to use the iPhone without the need for cumbersome iTunes.

Hi,
Yes I plan to add an option to use the fb2k internal artwork reader which will read embedded artwork.

Quote from: Sleepy on
Thanks for the plugin - .35 is working great on my wife's iPhone.

One issue:  in CoverFlow view, all of the album art is transparent.  I am pretty sure that art loaded from iTunes is not.  Is there an easy fix for this?
This is strange. When you say transparent, do you mean missing but no placeholder image?
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Reply #1065 –
Good to hear that embedded support is coming soon

I had one other strange thing happening.  In the "Tools" configuration I have it set to convert files with are not supported, and left the options as the default ("lame %d" and "mp3").  When I try to send some FLAC files to the iPhone a dialog shows up saying the files are being moved, and it seems like everything goes through correctly.  When I try to find the files in the iPhone, the files are not seen.  If I then browse through the library with foo_dop it sees the files, but they unplayable and untagged, and the filename seems to be a truncated version of the original %tracknumber% - %title% scheme.

Attached is a screen shot showing the files on the iPhone as read by foo_dop followed by the original FLAC files and the foobar2000 console output when I try to play the files.

Am I doing something wrong in the conversion?



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Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F61\01 - Dea.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F77\02 - Nec.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F69\03 - Fun.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F53\04 - The.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F85\05 - Car.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F97\06 - Bur.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F42\07 - Pag.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F57\08 - Cha.mp3"

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported format or corrupted file):
"applemobiledevice://a0d315709f2234b617c8ace10991d09f5705f73c:/iTunes_Control\Music\F65\09 - Pur.mp3"

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Reply #1066 –
Quote from: musicmusic on
I think this means the encryption keys are missing or something - they are usually in "%appdata%\Apple
That was it. I just copied over the folder and it works. Brilliant, thanks mate! 

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Reply #1067 –
Quote from: RainDawg on
Good to hear that embedded support is coming soon

I had one other strange thing happening.  In the "Tools" configuration I have it set to convert files with are not supported, and left the options as the default ("lame %d" and "mp3").  When I try to send some FLAC files to the iPhone a dialog shows up saying the files are being moved, and it seems like everything goes through correctly.  When I try to find the files in the iPhone, the files are not seen.  If I then browse through the library with foo_dop it sees the files, but they unplayable and untagged, and the filename seems to be a truncated version of the original %tracknumber% - %title% scheme.

Attached is a screen shot showing the files on the iPhone as read by foo_dop followed by the original FLAC files and the foobar2000 console output when I try to play the files.

Am I doing something wrong in the conversion?

The default command is "lame - %d" - the hyphen is pretty important. If it still doesn't work it may be due to a change I made recently, I'll fix that for next build.

Quote from: mystNZ on
That was it. I just copied over the folder and it works. Brilliant, thanks mate! 
Ah great  Hopefully I can fix it so it doesn't require you to do that.
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Reply #1068 –
Quote from: musicmusic on
The default command is "lame - %d" - the hyphen is pretty important. If it still doesn't work it may be due to a change I made recently, I'll fix that for next build.


I did a test using the command line "neroAacEnc -if - -of %d" and it worked nicely, except that foobar2000 didn't transfer over my lyrics tag correctly (probably an issue with FLAC > m4a tag mapping and not your component).

Tried again with "lame - %d" and I ran into the exact same problem as before...so it seems there may be a bug with using LAME.

On a side note related to my above comment though, I'd like to see a way that I can map the lyrics tag correctly so that it's readable in iTunes...this has been a persistent issue with all of the converters I've used up to this point.  In an mp3 file, iTunes looks for lyrics in the USLT frame, and foobar2000 is smart enough to put it there if I am using id3v2.4.  For m4a (which I'd really rather use due to the quality/filesize) it seems like it never makes it to the %LYRICS% tag from FLAC, where it is stored in %UNSYNCED LYRICS%.  An option to put this tag in the right spot using neroAacEnc CLI would be great.

Thanks so much for the quick replies MM, and keep up the great work on this plugin .

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Reply #1069 –
Yeah, the transparent art problem is one I have sometimes, also. The art in coverflow is literally like 50% transparent sometimes. Its really kind of strange.

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Reply #1070 –
Quote from: musicmusic on
Quote from: Sleepy on

Thanks for the plugin - .35 is working great on my wife's iPhone.

One issue:  in CoverFlow view, all of the album art is transparent.  I am pretty sure that art loaded from iTunes is not.  Is there an easy fix for this?
This is strange. When you say transparent, do you mean missing but no placeholder image?


Quote from: alphaex32 on
Yeah, the transparent art problem is one I have sometimes, also. The art in coverflow is literally like 50% transparent sometimes. Its really kind of strange.



Sounds like alphaex32 and I are seeing the same thing - the art is there but about 50% transparent.  It is not a big deal (probably won't use coverflow that often), but because of the 50% transparency, all of the covers run together.  It is a little ugly, that's all.

I understand how difficult it must be to troubleshoot these sorts of things without an iPhone, so let me know if there is anything I can provide that would be helpful.

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Reply #1071 –
Quote from: RainDawg on
On a side note related to my above comment though, I'd like to see a way that I can map the lyrics tag correctly so that it's readable in iTunes...this has been a persistent issue with all of the converters I've used up to this point.  In an mp3 file, iTunes looks for lyrics in the USLT frame, and foobar2000 is smart enough to put it there if I am using id3v2.4.  For m4a (which I'd really rather use due to the quality/filesize) it seems like it never makes it to the %LYRICS% tag from FLAC, where it is stored in %UNSYNCED LYRICS%.  An option to put this tag in the right spot using neroAacEnc CLI would be great.

Thanks so much for the quick replies MM, and keep up the great work on this plugin .
I think the real problem is the mixed lyrics field mappings in foobar2000 (e.g. UNSYNCED LYRICS for ID3v2 vs. LYRICS for MP4). I think it should just use LYRICS consistently. Is UNSYNCED LYRICS mapped to some standard lyrics field for FLAC files? I could maybe write some workaround for transcoding so it puts it in the right field but then if foobar2000 does change it would be is liable to break...

Quote from: Sleepy on
Sounds like alphaex32 and I are seeing the same thing - the art is there but about 50% transparent.  It is not a big deal (probably won't use coverflow that often), but because of the 50% transparency, all of the covers run together.  It is a little ugly, that's all.

I understand how difficult it must be to troubleshoot these sorts of things without an iPhone, so let me know if there is anything I can provide that would be helpful.
Yes, weird  Is the transparency consistent across the whole image? I guess an ArtworkDB backup (with some iTunes artwork on the device) would help if you know how to get it.
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Reply #1072 –
Quote from: musicmusic on
I think the real problem is the mixed lyrics field mappings in foobar2000 (e.g. UNSYNCED LYRICS for ID3v2 vs. LYRICS for MP4). I think it should just use LYRICS consistently. Is UNSYNCED LYRICS mapped to some standard lyrics field for FLAC files? I could maybe write some workaround for transcoding so it puts it in the right field but then if foobar2000 does change it would be is liable to break...

The issue at hand here is that more advanced programs and some tagging standards drawing a difference between synced lyrics and unsynced lyrics.  iTunes seems to only want to see the latter.

iTunes will read lyrics from an m4a file stored in LYRICS and from an mp3 in the USLT frame.  foobar2000 will write to this USLT frame if I call the tag "UNSYNCED LYRICS" with a space, but not anything else....and even then, it's not viewable in iTunes unless I use the "compatibility mode" checkmark in the tagging configuration.  All other programs (dbPowerAmp among them) seem to write to a user-defined frame rather than the id3 standard USLT, and thus iTunes doesn't see anything.  I think this is related to the fact that many applications have chosen not to update themselves to id3v2.4 support....

As for the FLAC, or Vorbis Comments standard, I seem to recall reading somewhere that the standard location was "UNSYNCED LYRICS", and that is indeed where foobar2000 wants it to translate to USLT when converting tags to id3v2, but I can't find a link to verify.

Perhaps someone with more knowledge on WHY foobar2000 maps this way would be helpful.  At this point, and given that iTunes seems to be forcing a lot of our hands on how we tag files, I would say it would be a good idea to have conversions map UNSYNCED LYRICS in other formats to LYRICS in m4a....or at least provide us an option where we can do this ourselves.

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Reply #1073 –
I am only concerned about the interoperability between tagging standards.

ID3v2 uses USLT which foobar2000 maps to UYNSYNCED LYRICS
MP4 (I guess this is 'iTunes compatible tagging') uses @lyr which foobar2000 maps to LYRICS

I don't know what other formats use/map to.

The reasons why those mappings were chosen should be obvious, but they should instead be consistent across different formats. Synchronised lyrics aren't so relevant here.

The only reason transcoding from FLAC with UNSYNCED LYRICS to MP3 works is because foobar2000 maps UNSYNCED LYRICS to USLT for ID3v2. I don't see anything about lyrics in the Vorbit Comments spec.

I am not going to waste time writing workarounds unless you can get some answer from whoever controls foobar2000 metadata storage mappings.
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Reply #1074 –
Does the custom sorting work?

I ask because I don't notice a difference on my iPod Classic with:
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%artist% - %date% - %album% - %disc% - %tracknumber% - %title%

For example the albums from Air are in the following order:
Code: [Select]
Moon Safari
Pocket Symphony
Talkie Walkie
Virgin Suicides OST
10000 Hz Legend

While in the playlist they are sorted correctly:
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Air - [1998] Moon Safari
Air - [2000] Virgin Suicides OST
Air - [2001] 10000 Hz Legend
Air - [2004] Talkie Walkie
Air - [2007] Pocket Symphony