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Reply #675
I really love the plugin, all seems to work brilliantly!  I'm really happy that it's transfering the ratings to the iPod, but will there be any support for transfering the ratings back off the iPod and onto my PC anytime soon?

This is the final feature before I have Foobar configured to replace every single useful element of iTunes I use, just faster prettier!

Another thing, doesn't make any difference to the workings of the component, but when I go to 'View iPod Device Information' it says I've got an iPod Shuffle 1G Black, when I've got an iPod 2G Nano Black!

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Reply #676
I cannot add any songs to my friends 2gb iPod Nano. After I load the songs into foobar2000, I right-click and click Send To iPod. I then get an error how the songs cannot be found.
What is the exact text of the error? Where are the source files located? They playback in foobar2000, right?

I really love the plugin, all seems to work brilliantly!  I'm really happy that it's transfering the ratings to the iPod, but will there be any support for transfering the ratings back off the iPod and onto my PC anytime soon?
"I don't know" is the best answer I can give, sorry.

Another thing, doesn't make any difference to the workings of the component, but when I go to 'View iPod Device Information' it says I've got an iPod Shuffle 1G Black, when I've got an iPod 2G Nano Black!
Hmm.. I broke it when adding Classic/Nano 3G support. No it's just cosmetic  It got the colour right anyway
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Reply #677
Sorry if this has been answered before, but do I need iTunes installed for this plugin to work? I transferred some songs to a freshly formatted iPod but when I turn the ipod after using foo_pod, it says "Connect the iPod to iTunes to recover" in many languages. What's with this?

Using 0.5 of foo_pod
iPod Video 30GB 5.5G
Vista

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Reply #678
Sorry if this has been answered before, but do I need iTunes installed for this plugin to work? I transferred some songs to a freshly formatted iPod but when I turn the ipod after using foo_pod, it says "Connect the iPod to iTunes to recover" in many languages. What's with this?

Using 0.5 of foo_pod
iPod Video 30GB 5.5G
Vista


I'm not an expert, but I think it'll work best if you connect it with iTunes, put some stuff on, then go over to foo_dop, once you've done that yo should be fine without iTunes (but I'd leave it installed, you still need it to update the iPod firmware!)

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Reply #679
Sorry if this has been answered before, but do I need iTunes installed for this plugin to work? I transferred some songs to a freshly formatted iPod but when I turn the ipod after using foo_pod, it says "Connect the iPod to iTunes to recover" in many languages. What's with this?

Using 0.5 of foo_pod
iPod Video 30GB 5.5G
Vista

I'm not sure what happened, I don't really test by formatting just by renaming directories. Perhaps you used the wrong settings when formatting?

In any case it is indeed a better idea to "Restore" using iTunes instead of formatting. You'll need iTunes to update your iPod's firmware anyway (which is something you should also do if not on the latest).

BTW foo_pod is something very different from foo_dop.
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Reply #680
The latest foo_dop (0.5) works incorrectly with foobar 0.9.5 beta file operations component. E.g. when you select an album in the playlist and select 'File Ops -> Copy', it asks you to copy a lot of unrelated tracks besides selected.

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Reply #681
Pay careful attention to the "Copy entire source directory contents" option.
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Reply #682
BTW there seems to be an issue with album art support and foobar2000 0.9.5, I'm looking into it.
[edit] Just an issue with invalid filename characters creeping in from metadata. I'll fix that for next build.

[edit]Hmm.. I may leave it alone, it's probably going to cause more issues filtering them.

(Nice waste of a post )
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Reply #683

Is there any progress in the area of statistics synchronizing? Only tiny little lack keeping me on the iTunes side.
Sorry, no. You mean syncing play stats from iPod back to local library?

Doing that to the file's embedded metadata is problematic: it would cause the file to be updated (copied again) on iPod at next sync. So I would prefer to do that to a local database - as I recall official foo_playcount uses such a database by default but I don't think it has an API so I can update it myself.


I've been given this some thought lately, and I've come to wonder - how about removing unnecessary metadata from files before adding the files to the iPod's database (iPods doesn't need %play_count, for instance%)? Of course, I'm talking about from the copy foo_dop makes, not the originals. It's theoretically possible, and it shouldn't think of a file with new %rating%/%play_count% as new.

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Reply #684
I would love to see a compilation feature that would:

  change the artist field to the album name
  then change the album to the artist
  and keep the songs the same

lm sick of having a thousand artist with just one song because there in a compilation

having a send as compilation feature would be awesome

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Reply #685
Not sure if this is a bug, but anyway here it goes.
The plugin works fine here, but there is a little problem on my Nano 8gb 3rd gen, a game called iquiz came with it(for those who dont know this is a game which uses your songs on the ipod to make a quiz and so forth)anyway this game doesn't seem to work properly, because when it ask me a question like "which album is this song from" there should be a song playing, but there is not, so i have no clue how to answer the question.

This is nothing big of course, just a thing i noticed here the other day.

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Reply #686
I've been given this some thought lately, and I've come to wonder - how about removing unnecessary metadata from files before adding the files to the iPod's database (iPods doesn't need %play_count, for instance%)? Of course, I'm talking about from the copy foo_dop makes, not the originals.
Well, foo_dop uses the metadata, and furthermore some people use the 'load library' command and play songs of the iPod through foobar2000.

It's theoretically possible, and it shouldn't think of a file with new %rating%/%play_count% as new.
It tracks files through modification dates and filesizes. So if updating the play count/rating modifies the file then it will be updated on the iPod on next sync (reasons include the above).

I would love to see a compilation feature that would:

  change the artist field to the album name
  then change the album to the artist
  and keep the songs the same

lm sick of having a thousand artist with just one song because there in a compilation

having a send as compilation feature would be awesome
The iPod does have some handling for compilations, though the only way to mark files a part of a compilation using foo_dop is to set the IPOD_COMPILATION meta field to 1. Alternatively you can set it using iTunes directly on the tracks on your iPod. Then you use the compilations feature on your ipod, it works a bit different on different models apparently, it may be a setting on your iPod as well.

Not sure if this is a bug, but anyway here it goes.
The plugin works fine here, but there is a little problem on my Nano 8gb 3rd gen, a game called iquiz came with it(for those who dont know this is a game which uses your songs on the ipod to make a quiz and so forth)anyway this game doesn't seem to work properly, because when it ask me a question like "which album is this song from" there should be a song playing, but there is not, so i have no clue how to answer the question.

This is nothing big of course, just a thing i noticed here the other day.

Indeed, it is a known issue. I tried to find the cause a while ago but failed unfortunately. So it remains broken until I find out the problem
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Reply #687
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Indeed, it is a known issue. I tried to find the cause a while ago but failed unfortunately


A problem with tags maybe? (APE, ID3v1 etc). Thats the only thing I can come up with since I don't understand how else it would effect the quiz...Well maybe filenames but I don't think so.
Since I'm in the process of getting a Classic, I can't test out my-self.

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Reply #688
That was a good hint, it is in fact path/filename length related.

It seems that effectively the filename (inc. extension) cannot be longer than 12 characters for MQ2 to work compared to the current limit of 31 in foo_dop.

I think I will change the limit to 12 characters, but add a setting on the advanced page to adjust it for those that want longer. Of course keep in mind if a track's filename is too long the iPod won't play it.
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Reply #689
0.5.1 TEST released. Just fixes a few bugs, details in changelog.
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Reply #690
The iPod does have some handling for compilations, though the only way to mark files a part of a compilation using foo_dop is to set the IPOD_COMPILATION meta field to 1. Alternatively you can set it using iTunes directly on the tracks on your iPod. Then you use the compilations feature on your ipod, it works a bit different on different models apparently, it may be a setting on your iPod as well.

Would it be possible to add a "Compilation mapping" field in the preferences?  I'd prefer adding a little TAGZ in foobar rather than adding metadata to my compilations just for foo_dop.

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Reply #691
Well, there's done and screwed it up - I thought syncing to iPod meant that the songs whose filenames I'd just corrected would be uploaded - forgetting that I'd just done a quicksearch and there were only two songs on the list right then. There's 27GB of music gone. Any chance the deleted files might still be alive somewhere on my system?

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Reply #692
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That was a good hint, it is in fact path/filename length related.


Heh, cool. Just got my classic last night too...

I'm not sure if this is the right place for my request however it does involve the iPod DB but I may also contact Florian to see what he says on the request.

Would it be possible to submit music played on the iPod to Last.FM by using foo_dop?

Edit: Eh looks like its already in your request list. Nevermind.

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Reply #693
Would it be possible to add a "Compilation mapping" field in the preferences?  I'd prefer adding a little TAGZ in foobar rather than adding metadata to my compilations just for foo_dop.
Hi,
Yes OK.

Well, there's done and screwed it up - I thought syncing to iPod meant that the songs whose filenames I'd just corrected would be uploaded - forgetting that I'd just done a quicksearch and there were only two songs on the list right then. There's 27GB of music gone. Any chance the deleted files might still be alive somewhere on my system?
Hi, I assume you don't have the local copies anymore?
In that case you may be able to recover some of the songs from your iPod but first you should stop using it. If you have iTunes installed on your computer stop the iPodService as well. Then connect it up and use some file recovery program. One is findpart, see the "Findpart Chsdir" subcommmand. I don't know how well it works, I've only ever used the findntfs utility. Just make sure you don't set it to copy the files back to the iPod! First you may want to use the option to dump the list of files to a text file so you can see what it finds. Good luck.

Heh, cool. Just got my classic last night too...

I'm not sure if this is the right place for my request however it does involve the iPod DB but I may also contact Florian to see what he says on the request.

Would it be possible to submit music played on the iPod to Last.FM by using foo_dop?

Edit: Eh looks like its already in your request list. Nevermind.
I can say definitely there won't be any direct last.fm support from my side. Not sure how indirect support would work though..
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Reply #694
In Foobar2000, can a component (such as foo_dop) pass data to another component (such as foo_audioscrobber)?

I didn't expect direct support since theres foo_audioscrobber and such would be adding unrelated feature bloat and\or would be reinventing the wheel. I am hoping for a joint effort between foo_pod and foo_audioscrobber.
Since foo_dop can already read the iTunesDB and foo_audioscrobber can access Last.FM, wouldn't it be possible to pass data to foo_audioscrobber ("The Proper Way"TM) or even store it in its cache for submission (which is quite hack-ish)?

Also in the requests is the ability to sync playcounts and rating between the iPod and Foobar2000 which is somewhat similar to the last.fm request.

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Reply #695
In Foobar2000, can a component (such as foo_dop) pass data to another component (such as foo_audioscrobber)?
If it exposes an API: yes. I do not beleive foo_audioscrobber does. Or, maybe I could add a generic API for other components to receive playback data from portable devices..? The latter makes more sense to me at the moment. It does mean I don't have to implement any specific support for any particular play count related components.

I didn't expect direct support since theres foo_audioscrobber and such would be adding unrelated feature bloat and\or would be reinventing the wheel.
Definitely.

I am hoping for a joint effort between foo_pod and foo_audioscrobber.
Since foo_dop can already read the iTunesDB and foo_audioscrobber can access Last.FM, wouldn't it be possible to pass data to foo_audioscrobber ("The Proper Way"TM)
Of course The Proper Way does not exist at the moment.

or even store it in its cache for submission (which is quite hack-ish)?
Indeed if it's not done through a documented/published API it's relatively suicidal..

Also in the requests is the ability to sync playcounts and rating between the iPod and Foobar2000 which is somewhat similar to the last.fm request.
It is more similar because e.g. foo_playcount uses a database which I don't have access to. Adding that API I mentioned would solve this somewhat. But that will only work if these other components use it.
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Reply #697
Umm some problems...
I have a 160gb classic. But I have some trouble sending files to the iPod. The files reside on the hard drive and are available in the album list. I right click and sent to iPod. The album is .mp3 with its tags a combination of APE + ID3v1. Upon ejecting, I can browse the newly transfered albums however upon selecting them to play, the HDD spins up and the now playing screen is showing however it stays at 0:00. Upon reconnecting the iPod iTunes sees the music however it has a ! next to track titles. Also the file names of all tracks are "(.)" and are undeleteable.

Is this those minor issues written next to classic on your wiki musicmusic?
Ive yet to see whether dragging the music to the iPod THEN adding to the library makes any difference.
Will experiment in the morning however is this a new issue? (I have to restore the iPod in order to remove those files)

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Reply #698
Can the give me an example of the source filename and what foo_dop named the file (exactly) as seen when you do a load library and go to properties of the problem track? Also, a list of the other filenames in the destination dir on the iPod would be helpful. I couldn't reproduce anything like this.

No, minor issues refers to some stuff that has been fixed some some remaining minor issues:
-Handling of playlist folders
-The clsasic/nano 3g want items to be sorted with numbers after letters, foo_dop doesn't do that which results in a slight oddity with the scroll-letter thing at the top of the list.
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Reply #699
I can say definitely there won't be any direct last.fm support from my side. Not sure how indirect support would work though..

IIRC Last.fm software supports iPods natively.
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