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Hi! Please don't' hurt me yet. :))

I know Windows only provides dark theme support for UWP apps. That can't be a excuse anymore. People has been asking all over the internet please dark theme for foobar2000 for years!

Everybody is providing a dark theme for their apps.
Just recently even MP3tag has implemented it. I mention it because I had pleaded its developer in the past to do do it... and he wasn't too enthusiastic about the idea. Well, now it has a dark theme, too.
As does Audacity, MKVtoolnix, Notepad++, Calibre... it's becoming harder to find a program that does not offer a dark mode.

And please don't start with the usual mantras...

• "You can use [...] if you don't like foobar2000" mantra. I do like foobar, and that's why I ask for a dark theme, or I'd be gone long time ago.
• Yes, I would do it myself if I had the knowledge. I don't.
• I know it can be done with Columns UI. I don't like Column UI  ::)

So, please, could you hear the crowd asking for this?


I don't know if it's going to be useful but I'm dropping a poll here so... well... you can vote.

The text in bold might appear important to you as an end user but they're unlikely to sway any developer. And popularity votes probably aren't going to help either.

If it ever does happen, I think it would have to come at a time when support for all previous components is dropped. If dark mode foobar2000 was released tomorrow, most 3rd party components would look terrible inside it. I can't see that being allowed as a possibility. But I am just speculating, who knows what is around the corner.

edit: just tested mp3tag and notepad++ since I use them already.... damn they're fugly in dark mode. No way I could stick with either of them

There are dark themes out there. I have been using DarkOne v4 for many years, and it still works with the latest Foobar.
https://www.deviantart.com/tedgo/art/DarkOne-v4-360862076

• Yes, I would do it myself if I had the knowledge. I don't.

Default Win dark themes are unusable, however there are many free OS-level options that are usable (and easy to try):

deviantart (https://www.deviantart.com/niivu/art/cakeOS-760118003)
vsthemes (https://vsthemes.org/en/themes/)

User laziness shouldn't be a developer's concern.

TBH I'd rather they bring back support for colour functions $rgb(r,g,b) than a dark theme.

edit: just tested mp3tag and notepad++ since I use them already.... damn they're fugly in dark mode. No way I could stick with either of them

And if we ever do get a dark mode for foobar, you just know that 70% of the people who have been requesting it for all this time are going to say "but this one is ugly". For a developer creating a dark mode is going to cause more controversy than just simply not doing it.

I wish someone would make a simple dark theme for foobar that mimics the default UI with inverted colors.

most 3rd party components would look terrible inside it.

I feel this applies to separate applications too. How are users of dark, negative color UIs not "blinded" by some programs or websites that are still white? Don't use any of them? Especially on today's bright monitors.

The text in bold might appear important to you as an end user but they're unlikely to sway any developer. And popularity votes probably aren't going to help either.
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edit: just tested mp3tag and notepad++ since I use them already.... damn they're fugly in dark mode. No way I could stick with either of them

The text in bold is there to highlight what for me is a sign of lagging behind most other developers/apps.
If developers are swayed or not by any of this is up to them as always has been. I'm just reminding them once more that everybody is giving a dark theme to their programs... and there must be a reason why unless all of them are idiots.

The voting is there for everyone who feels like stating what's their stance on this. I expect few votes and no clear winner. We're in a forum that is mostly visited by advanced users and people with some kind of technology background. Basic users either go with what they've got... or they're already using a dark mode player  8)
Even massive Yes or massive No wouldn't mean a thing if you care for giving options to your users,

That you may stick with dark MP3tag ot notepad++ might appear important to you but in any case they're better than a blindingly white app in an otherwise totally dark desktop. They, at least, try to do it, and they finetune the UI colors often if they receive negative feedback.

There are dark themes out there. I have been using DarkOne v4 for many years, and it still works with the latest Foobar.
https://www.deviantart.com/tedgo/art/DarkOne-v4-360862076

Uses Column UI and is UI is too busy for my taste. I need what "raw" foobar2000 offers... but in a dark mode.

Quote from: bokeron on 2021-09-24 22:22:36

• Yes, I would do it myself if I had the knowledge. I don't.

Default Win dark themes are unusable, however there are many free OS-level options that are usable (and easy to try):

deviantart (https://www.deviantart.com/niivu/art/cakeOS-760118003)
vsthemes (https://vsthemes.org/en/themes/)

User laziness shouldn't be a developer's concern.

Modifying a whole OS User Interface to achieve dark mode for a single app might be the contrary of user lazyness... but it surely is using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

As a developer, I'd be more concerned about people having to do this just to get my app in dark mode.

TBH I'd rather they bring back support for colour functions $rgb(r,g,b) than a dark theme.

Not mutually exclusive.

I'm just reminding them once more that everybody is giving a dark theme to their programs... and there must be a reason why unless all of them are idiots.

This attitude is really going to help. Keep going.

and there must be a reason why unless all of them are idiots.

The reason is probably simple: they are not interested in the dark theme.

Modifying a whole OS User Interface to achieve dark mode for a single app might be the contrary of user lazyness...

Why would one want every app to appear differently in an OS?

And as others have commented, that method also allows one to more easily find a dark theme that suits them, rather than complaining how an app's implementation isn't "dark enough".

• Yes, I would do it myself if I had the knowledge. I don't.

As a developer, I'd be more concerned about people having to do this just to get my app in dark mode.

But you're not a developer, just feeling very entitled to speak for one.

I don't understand the sudden fashion with dark themes. This is what computing in the DOS days looked like. Black text on white is much friendlier on the eyes.

At least Mp3tag did the dark theme switch properly. You can't imagine how much I hate VMWare Workstation that added dark theme support. It uses a custom drawn window even in normal mode and simulates Windows 7's rounded window borders without any shadows. The window is invisible when the background has similar colors.

I really wish Microsoft made the OS theme switch affect all programs. It's absolute insanity for every software having to artifically create support for this fad.

Dark is much easier on my eyes. I just got a new monitor, and even at very low brightness pure white backgrounds can be a bit much.

I really wish Microsoft made the OS theme switch affect all programs. It's absolute insanity for every software having to artifically create support for this fad.

It would be so easy for them to do it as well. The high contrast themes are evidence of that.

Bit off topic but anyone tried windows 11 yet? What they've done to checkboxes is an abomination. :/

(https://i.imgur.com/PByONx3.png)

Bit off topic but anyone tried windows 11 yet? What they've done to checkboxes is an abomination. :/

Yeah, they also changed scrollbars and not for the better. I do however like the new window animations.

Quote from: bokeron on 2021-09-25 23:52:04

I'm just reminding them once more that everybody is giving a dark theme to their programs... and there must be a reason why unless all of them are idiots.

This attitude is really going to help. Keep going.

"All of them" means all of the developers working on their own software, not foobar2000's developers.
Why are they adding dark themes? What does that mean? They can't all be idiots. There must be a reason behind all of them adding dark theme. Maybe because there's a need for it and it's worth the effort?

Quote from: bokeron on 2021-09-25 23:52:04

and there must be a reason why unless all of them are idiots.

The reason is probably simple: they are not interested in the dark theme.

Foobar2000 are the only ones getting it right then?
All of the other developers are adding dark themes. That's what I mean. Are all those other devs idiots?

Quote from: bokeron on 2021-09-26 00:00:08

Modifying a whole OS User Interface to achieve dark mode for a single app might be the contrary of user lazyness...

Why would one want every app to appear differently in an OS?

And as others have commented, that method also allows one to more easily find a dark theme that suits them, rather than complaining how an app's implementation isn't "dark enough".

Quote from: bokeron on 2021-09-24 22:22:36

• Yes, I would do it myself if I had the knowledge. I don't.

As a developer, I'd be more concerned about people having to do this just to get my app in dark mode.

But you're not a developer, just feeling very entitled to speak for one.

I build a house with bricks. I want the house to be blue color. Your solution is to change all the orange bricks for blue ones. I pretend just to paint them blue. What do you think is the more reasonble approach?

I am not a developer. I dopn't feel entitled to anything. That's all in your head that went defensive as I was expecting.
I know how to manage users/customers needs, though, and I push so their needs are considered in order to offer a product that fullfill their demands/needs. I don't speak as a developer.

But as it was expected, you, and this forum gets defensive instead of facing the only truth: everybody else is implementing dark themes.

I don't understand the sudden fashion with dark themes. This is what computing in the DOS days looked like. Black text on white is much friendlier on the eyes.

At least Mp3tag did the dark theme switch properly. You can't imagine how much I hate VMWare Workstation that added dark theme support. It uses a custom drawn window even in normal mode and simulates Windows 7's rounded window borders without any shadows. The window is invisible when the background has similar colors.

I really wish Microsoft made the OS theme switch affect all programs. It's absolute insanity for every software having to artifically create support for this fad.

Try to work for years on a 1000 nits screen with white user interface and you'll get it.

Things could have been managed better by Microsoft. Their incompetence isn't a valid reason to stagnate and defend the all-white-without-giving-dark-option stance.

Foobar2000 are the only ones getting it right then?
All of the other developers are adding dark themes. That's what I mean. Are all those other devs idiots?

Both choices are valid, why do you think that one is right and other is wrong?

Because the majority are always right. They think with what is best for everyone.

Quote from: bokeron on 2021-09-27 14:28:32

Foobar2000 are the only ones getting it right then?
All of the other developers are adding dark themes. That's what I mean. Are all those other devs idiots?

Both choices are valid, why do you think that one is right and other is wrong?

Because one of them gives the user options and the other denys the user that option. Do you like options?

Because the majority are always right. They think with what is best for everyone.

Majority isn't always right. As neither is the minority, by the way.
What those other devs are doing is giving their users an option they request. Developers put their beliefs apart and care for their users. As a result, their users can choose.

Being able to choose is always right.

Do you like options?

I like useful options. I don't like useless option. Dark theme is useless for me.

What those other devs are doing is giving their users an option they request. Developers put their beliefs apart and care for their users. As a result, their users can choose.

Being able to choose is always right.

An old answer from Peter (https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php?topic=21512.msg427970#msg427970) that may or may not be relevant today:

To start with, foobar2000 was never meant to be usable for everyone.
We simply don't care whether specific userbase finds it useful or not. We would probably care if we earned money from it, but we don't, and don't plan to as it would ruin too many good aspects of the project.
[...]
Again, if you don't like our decisions, you are free (and encouraged) to use one of other players instead.

Quote from: bokeron on 2021-09-30 18:14:44

Do you like options?

I like useful options. I don't like useless option.

Windows favorite phrase. hahahah we all know where it has lead many times  ::)

It's ironic because that way of thinking is the first reason Windows has not been coded to change the theme of all software it runs, even if it's easily able to do so as has been already noted. So it's really funny how the same argument can be used by one side and the opposite side at the same time.

EDIT: Also find it funny the poll is yes or no. I mean... you may want the dark theme or don't care at all about it, but it makes no sense to be "against implementing a dark theme". Makes no sense to be against an option. If we talk about coding it, then that's another story hahaha (obviously) But you can't be against it per se (?). So I don't get most comments of this thread.

https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/16b70775-d87e-42d3-aa8f-41d7d6888c66/how-to-get-colors-of-default-app-mode-quotdarkquot-in-my-win32-app

Looks like you have to program your app completely differently, and custom color the entire thing. Skinning probably also requires custom invocation of the UXTheme interface for every UI control. And every plugin will have to do the same for any UI code.

EDIT: Also find it funny the poll is yes or no. I mean... you may want the dark theme or don't care at all about it, but it makes no sense to be "against implementing a dark theme". Makes no sense to be against an option. If we talk about coding it, then that's another story hahaha (obviously) But you can't be against it per se (?). So I don't get most comments of this thread.

I agree.
I worded the question like that because I've seen how many times people have asked for a dark theme and how some people on the forum(s) reacted. As I've said, some people gets defensive about a thing that wouldn't hurt them if it's implemented.
I wanted to remark that attitude with the "No" while giving an option to express you would like a dark theme with the "Yes".

I do understand why coders would prefer to dedicate their time to other areas they find more interesting or useful. It's their time and their choice. At the same time I have also seen how other requests with really minimal impact on most non-advanced users have been accepted and implemented.

So... I re-requested something that really have a big impact on non-advanced users: how the UI looks. As superfluous as it may appear to some, it has a lot of weight on how likeable AND useable a program is. Those who develop it may not care, I can't know that. I do care, so I ask for it.

It's not a trivial task, I am aware of it, but I believe/hope those who care for UI design may be interested in making foobar2000 UI "evolve".

Windows is getting new upgrade too.
Maybe it would be better to wait MS to release the latest WinUI with the complete Windows11 UI component.
And hope that ui library would do most of the thing for us.

This is ridiculous. Such a customizable interface but dark mode? nah. I think its time we call em out for lacking the skills to do so. Prove me wrong.

Peter and the other developers devote a considerable amount of time and effort to provide us with these FREE gifts out of kindness and generosity.  They have every right to decide what they want to spend their time on.  Requesting new features is one thing.  But insulting them just because you don't get what you want is just plain rude.  They don't owe us anything, but we owe them everything.
 Please show these developers the respect and gratitude they deserve.

When all other angles are exhausted one resorts to being rude. Apologies to the devs for confusing ability with refusal.

I guess I’m a “non-advanced” user. While I get over the depression of that realization, can someone tell me how this dark mode would differ from the ability to make the background black as exists currently?

I thought that was a “dark mode” but I noticed the frame area such as at the top where menus like File and View are, still remain white. Is that little area the bone of contention, or am I missing something?

@GYYYO , that's the thing, most of those requesting dark-mode think of something like this when they are talking about it:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
But for some reason they also think that this design is built-in in OS and that devs can somehow flip a magic switch and enable it for the player AND for all the installed components.

Maybe this could be useful:
https://github.com/ysc3839/win32-darkmode
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53501268/win10-dark-theme-how-to-use-in-winapi
This thing was used to add dark mode support to the Notepad++:
https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/pull/9587

@GYYYO , that's the thing, most of those requesting dark-mode think of something like this when they are talking about it:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(https://i.imgur.com/2Q6H6Nb.png)

But for some reason they also think that this design is built-in in OS and that devs can somehow flip a magic switch and enable it for the player AND for all the installed components.

You mean you can’t? (jk)

I worked at the landline phone co in the new line ordering dept, and I wish I had a dollar for every time I’d tell a customer that a technician would be out the next day to turn their service on, and they’d say “Why do I need a technician visit? Don’t you just flip a switch?” So you have my sympathy.

I prefer the currently available black background with yellow text. With a white background, you’re trying to read text with a bright light shining in your eyes. Whereas with a dark background and light text, you’re focusing only on the text.

I worked on CRT’s for over 20 years and from that experience, I can confirm that eyestrain is definitely reduced by using a black background.

The first class Foobar2000 developer has by design allowed user interfaces to be developed, so perhaps some kind and generous developer will someday develop a new dark user interface. There's always hope for future developments.

Maybe this could be useful:
https://github.com/ysc3839/win32-darkmode
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53501268/win10-dark-theme-how-to-use-in-winapi
This thing was used to add dark mode support to the Notepad++:
https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/pull/9587

It is helpful.

Seems like this feature is not fully implemented in Windows yet, that's why Notepad++ developers had to use some tricks to add dark theme support to some standard controls (e.g. standard main menu doesn't support dark theme by default).

The Notepad++ DarkMode.h/.cpp source for this falls in "what has been seen cannot be unseen" category. I'm not sure if I dare using Notepad++ again after the horrors of that.

I do not wish to release code that may break / need patching with new Windows builds, which is what Notepad++ now does. I believe that foobar2000 users should have the freedom to continue using their foobar2000 installation indefinitely, upgrade only when they choose to. Relying on undocumented Windows interfaces would undermine this concept.

Dark mode was perfectly possible in Windows 95 era already - just set high contrast dark theme and all apps that respect system colors will behave accordingly, as long as they use standard dialogs, controls, system-defined color values, etc.

I have always pedantically followed all these details, minimized the amount of custom rendering done, used system-supplied colors by default instead of hardcoding custom stuff. Dark mode should work juts fine with foobar2000 - if it wasn't designed by clowns that is, which it sadly is.

Don't tell me to blame the app makers who didn't follow these rules, making apps that look broken with GetSysColor() telling them to use white text on dark background - that's what manifest flags or special startup API calls are for, just like with high DPI support; apps could get the legacy behavior unless they specifically report being compatible.

That said, that some of Microsoft's own apps as of Windows 11 RTM are not dark mode compliant either - namely MS Paint and Notepad.

I'd love to see a dark mode foobar2000. But it's easy to see that it is not exactly easy...

I recently started using dark mode whenever an app offers it, just following the trend, but the quality in apps differs a lot. As noted, Notepad++ is rather ugly, but I think that goes for any app that has a traditional menu (with lots of items with little spacing) and toolbar layout (with lots of buttons). It's not a beauty in light mode either.

VMWare Workstation has a dark window, but the dialog boxes are light. That happens in other apps as well. Some apps do have a proper dark mode, but their title bar stays white if you don't set Windows to use accent color there.

Windows' own Task Manager is still light, as it Notepad as Peter mentions. Notepad should be the easiest to convert, is my naive expectation. So weird to see that simple Windows apps using the default interfaces don't convert automatically.

As for the 'high contrast dark theme', that still exists of course, but if it was pretty it would have been picked up by users a long time ago :) I assume most people don't need their dark mixed with high contrast borders around any window element. Clearly it has been developed for users with eyesight problems, not for users just preferring a darker screen when sitting in a dimly lit room.

Back to foobar2000, in my setup I keep the background dark for components, and accept the reasonable white-gray defaults for the surrounding UI.

You can add my name to the list of users who'd enjoy having more control over colours in foobar2000's interface. I did try modifying Windows colour options using a third party color picker tool a while back, but it was a poor compromise, imposing unacceptable limitations on interfaces in other software, and it was sometimes hard to understand what colour option related to what part of the interfaces of various apps. I'll grant that this is Microsoft's fault for not getting to grips with the issue better.

I'm already using Dark themes everywhere else - Firefox with a colour inverting extension, Discord, Notepad++, Reaper, Windows Explorer to name a few. Some people will argue the toss about whether dark text/light bg or light text/dark bg is correct/better for health/etc., but it seems to me to more simply be a matter of personal preference, both views being valid. It is certainly the case that a choice between light & dark modes is increasingly being offered by app and website developers, and I don't see it as frivolous.

I'm using Columns UI and have made every part of the interface dark where possible to do so, to the best of my knowledge (screenshot here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/7xjvi2pfmea5ka2/Screenshot%202021-11-26%2010.30.50.png?dl=0) if you are curious.) The parts that are still light are as you'd predict, the toolbars (menu/vol/dsp/playback mode), scrollbars, column titles, tab stacks, item properties and preferences. I've mostly eliminated the presence of grey in the buttons by making them square with with no edges, though it did feel hacky having to do that. So the interface is mostly dark, but it would be nice to tidy up the remaining light areas. I have seen other foobar2000 themes handle the issue better than I have, any tips there would be welcome.

I've seen how many times people have asked for a dark theme and how some people on the forum(s) reacted. As I've said, some people gets defensive about a thing that wouldn't hurt them if it's implemented.

Interesting you mention this because I had the same treatment not too long ago (https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php?topic=28647.msg1002849#msg1002849) (I actually did "google it" and the material I've read on the subject is far from conclusive.)

I'm using foobar2000 in Wine on Linux with a "dark theme" plucked from Google that changes Wine's "system colors", and it works brilliantly. Props to the fb2k dev team for using Windows system colors and controls instead of some hipster custom nonsense.

I also demand you add this unnecessary feature to your free application! And another thing, we want free ports to Mac and Linux and Nintendo Switch!

In all seriousness, if the OP needs this feature so badly, just use another media player.

I run Foobar in wine, I don’t have dog in this race but I can fully see why the dev doesn’t want to spend time implementing and testing a second GUI

Also the built-in UI uses system colors or derivations thereof by default, so on Linux, if you configure your Wine to use a system color scheme or dark color scheme, foobar2000 will obey.

It's not foobar's fault that Windows doesn't expose its own dark mode through the system theme engine to anything but special apps that either use some sort of undocumented API, or theme themselves manually.

If you go back as far as XP, you find that apps that at least used system controls, or learned how to use the uxtheme API, had skinned controls and such. You couldn't even have a dark mode or custom theme without modifying system files, because Microsoft made the system theme engine verify cryptographic signatures on every theme file, and there were like 3 signed themes ever released during the lifetime of the OS.

Fun fact, the Luna Silver theme has a color key bug on the mouseover Start button, where the soft edges of the button were accidentally blended with the color key, causing a few stray pixels of slightly-off-magenta to be visible.

Fun fact, the Luna Silver theme has a color key bug on the mouseover Start button, where the soft edges of the button were accidentally blended with the color key, causing a few stray pixels of slightly-off-magenta to be visible.

Fun fact: MS was ahead of the curve in employing persons with disabilities, unfortunately they assigned color blind to the UI team.

(sorry as much as I look fwd to this thread sinking, I couldn't resist)

Kudos to the dev team for their guiding philosophy of putting out the music player they think is right and telling those who don't like it to stfu. It is very much appreciated. Foobar, with some tweaking, is the only music player that plays my music the way I want it played. I've even become fond of its byzantine, classic-looking UI.

Speaking of which, I just had to reinstall Foobar after a catastrophic failure of Windows. My old Foobar did have dark panels with yellow / orange text (which makes me wonder what this whole thread is about), however, I can not figure out how to reproduce that look in my new install. Any pointers are appreciated. Thank you!

You change the panel colours by using the View menu>Layout>Quick setup and browsing through the Color schemes. Or you can customise them manually under Preferences>Display>Default UI>Colors and fonts.

All the grumbling in this thread is about the window frames/menus/tabs/scrollbars etc which are mostly grey/white depending on windows theme.

dark theme is cool, but not friendly to eyes. however if you really want dark theme, then why not try already made dark theme packages like `CaTRoX` or something similar?

i would prefer that foobar2000 keep DUI simple and easy to use. If i want dark theme then i may introduce wsh panel mod and port catrox or some other theme to DUI.

or fb dev grp just make another ui component and keep DUI as it is.

dark theme is cool, but not friendly to eyes. however if you really want dark theme, then why not try already made dark theme packages like `CaTRoX` or something similar?

i would prefer that foobar2000 keep DUI simple and easy to use. If i want dark theme then i may introduce wsh panel mod and port catrox or some other theme to DUI.

or fb dev grp just make another ui component and keep DUI as it is.

If you don't want to change the color, just don't touch it.

I don't see how adding a global color customization makes more complex at all the UI, DUI or CUI. Having a third UI just for an extra option which should have been from the start makes even less sense.

Quote from: elia_is_me on 2022-03-31 09:30:43

dark theme is cool, but not friendly to eyes. however if you really want dark theme, then why not try already made dark theme packages like `CaTRoX` or something similar?

i would prefer that foobar2000 keep DUI simple and easy to use. If i want dark theme then i may introduce wsh panel mod and port catrox or some other theme to DUI.

or fb dev grp just make another ui component and keep DUI as it is.

If you don't want to change the color, just don't touch it.

I don't see how adding a global color customization makes more complex at all the UI, DUI or CUI. Having a third UI just for an extra option which should have been from the start makes even less sense.

if you agree it's easy or simple or something else then you just make it and that will be good.

Just to make Windows-only users envious: this is a DUI layout on Linux KDE (default Breeze Dark theme) with classic (Win95) application theme that is made dark by registry settings (https://github.com/Zeinok/dotfiles/blob/master/wine-breeze-dark.reg). fb2k Highlight color is set to blue, selection color to green.

A dark theme would be nice to help me complete my almost-perfect (for me) layout (Columns UI). I want it to look exactly like this except with darker (or maybe orange?) panel borders, and darker controls at the top. Changing to an already-dark theme or trying to just hide the grey parts would throw away all of the customization I've made over the years. Right now, foobar2000 functions perfectly for me except for the color of the grey parts.

I have no coding abilities beyond simple title script formatting, and I'm not able to learn any time soon.

Thinking about it, I suppose I personally don't particularly care about a dark theme. I want to be able to override the interface colors to something I choose. Just my thoughts on it. I'm pretty happy as-is.

It's already happening. See screenshot here:

https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,58574.msg1013297.html#msg1013297

A beta version will be available soon,

It's already happening. See screenshot here:

https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,58574.msg1013297.html#msg1013297

A beta version will be available soon,

So this won't be a top issue for us common users at last? I can't believe it.

(https://i.imgur.com/VtNvrWo.png)

It's already happening. See screenshot here:

https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,58574.msg1013297.html#msg1013297

A beta version will be available soon,

oh thank god, that would be perfect. I like tweaking the simple, old, clunky windows design to get it to do what I want and am averse to some bloated skin to have to fix it, or uxtheme stuff since otherwise win10 is so good about dark theming.

Thanks for working on this
>Will be in next FB2K major version.

finally, will probably spend another decade in this environment for desktop stuff. If it works ;>