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New program by John33 - Volumax

Volumax is a normalizing tool by John33 based on WaveGain.

It normalises input wave files to 100% (or proportionately in the case of album setting). There is a manual option to reduce the upper limit by up to 12dB.

Hint: If it's renamed to wavegain, it will work with Speek's frontend.

Available at
http://www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00/

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Reply #1 –
Normalize for later lossy compression = bad, very bad... :spank: 

Edit: Oops... It was supposed to be "lossy" not "lossless"...

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Reply #2 –
Hey, don't shoot me, please. Some guy asked for the program, so I produced it. Anyway, it was exactly what he wanted.

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Reply #3 –
Two Questions:

1. How is this different from WaveGain?

2. Why is this bad if you plan to do lossless compression later?

Thanks

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Originally posted by CLloyd24
2. Why is this bad if you plan to do lossless compression later?
I corrected what I said...

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Reply #5 –
Okay then why is this bad if you plan to do lossy compression later?

Thanks

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Reply #6 –
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Originally posted by CLloyd24
Okay then why is this bad if you plan to do lossy compression later?

Thanks
Because lossy formats often have higher peaks than the source material and will therefor make the track clip if the source material has very high peaks... Unless the decoder has an automatic clip detection function which adjust the "gain" in realtime so the sound doesn't clip... As far as I know, only the "MAD plug-in" for Winamp can do that as of yet...

P.S. Sorry if I perhaps make no sense, I'm a bit tired at the moment...

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Reply #7 –
@Sachankara

Actually, the guy that wanted it had a mp3 player that apparently only reproduced low volume. So, he wanted everything maxed upto 100% and then he was going to apply mp3gain afterwards!!

@CLloyd24

WaveGain uses the replaygain/gain analysis code, Volumax just normalizes to 100% on a track, or album basis, or to a limit lower than that expressed as a reduction in dB by upto 12dB.

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Reply #8 –
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Originally posted by john33
@Sachankara

Actually, the guy that wanted it had a mp3 player that apparently only reproduced low volume. So, he wanted everything maxed upto 100% and then he was going to apply mp3gain afterwards!!
Well, that of course works, but personally I don't like it... Most decoders can't read the replaygain headers and will not make any adjustments during playback, and therefor it will most likely clip for the majority of users... (If he intends to share his music with others...)

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Reply #9 –
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Originally posted by Sachankara
Well, that of course works, but personally I don't like it...
If you don't like it, then by all means don't use it.

Regards,
Madrigal

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Reply #10 –
Quote
Originally posted by Madrigal
If you don't like it, then by all means don't use it. 

Regards,
Madrigal
Yep, I won't... I use WaveGain instead...

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Reply #11 –
OT: Where the hell do you get these avatars, Sachankara?

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Reply #12 –
OT2: i just wanted to ask the same

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Reply #13 –
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Originally posted by Sachankara
Most decoders can't read the replaygain headers and will not make any adjustments during playback.

Not in the case of MP3Gain AFAIK. MP3Gain modifies the multiplier value for every frame of the MP3 file instead of storing tag data, and that works with every decoder.

CU

Dominic

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Reply #14 –
OT3: I have asked this myself many times too

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Reply #15 –
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Originally posted by rjamorim
OT: Where the hell do you get these avatars, Sachankara?


Screw the avatars, where do you meet the girls?

Ehh, Can I reverse the verbs in the above sentence?

[*Cough* "Sorry, I've been listening to Afghan Whigs "1965"....Ahem"]

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Reply #16 –
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Originally posted by Volcano

Not in the case of MP3Gain AFAIK. MP3Gain modifies the multiplier value for every frame of the MP3 file instead of storing tag data, and that works with every decoder.

CU

Dominic
Ah, so that's how mp3gain works... Well, then I understand...

Answer for rjamorim, Benjamin Lebsanft, theduke & YinYang: well, it's a "trade secret" ( ), but perhaps someday I can put up a small gallery for you...

[Sorry, had to remove the picture...]

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Reply #17 –
maybe its a home production, who knows

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Reply #18 –
Looks like a hell of a lot more fun that audiocoding!!

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Reply #19 –
Nice headphones...

Would they be willing to come here and do some listening tests?

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Reply #20 –
Hmm perhaps the girls ship with the headphones...

Buy a pair, get another pair
No inspiration

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Reply #21 –
ok, allow me to ask this: if i use wavgain to match the levels of wav files when i create a compilation, will this add all the distortion and quantization errors that you would get if you were using any other RMS or peak normalizing software? or is wavgain a different kind of normalizer in that area?
Be healthy, be kind, grow rich and prosper

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Reply #22 –
@outscape

WaveGain is simply an application of the replaygain code directly to wave files. It uses the same gain analysis code as replaygain for mpc, mp3Gain and VorbisGain except that the result is applied directly to an adjustment in the volume level of the wave file.

Personally, I rip CDs with EAC (read offset adjusted), apply DeGlitch and WaveGain (in album mode) and then re-burn from the adjusted wave file with nero. I find the result more pleasing than the original CD! I then encode from the adjusted wave files.

I've encountered none of the problems you describe. Give it a try, the only thing you might waste if you don't like the result is a little time!
 

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Reply #23 –
Quote
Originally posted by john33
@outscape

WaveGain is simply an application of the replaygain code directly to wave files. It uses the same gain analysis code as replaygain for mpc, mp3Gain and VorbisGain except that the result is applied directly to an adjustment in the volume level of the wave file.

Personally, I rip CDs with EAC (read offset adjusted), apply DeGlitch and WaveGain (in album mode) and then re-burn from the adjusted wave file with nero. I find the result more pleasing than the original CD! I then encode from the adjusted wave files.

I've encountered none of the problems you describe. Give it a try, the only thing you might waste if you don't like the result is a little time!

thanks for the explanation, john

thats all i needed to know, because when one changes the gain of a 16-bit wav file with programs like sound forge or cooledit, the result tends to sound rather distorted and grainy. these artifacts are particularly noticeable at passages where the levels are low, so thats why i was worried about wavgain messing up the sound quality
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