I want to hear from those who hate vinyl exactly what it is that they find so objectionable. Is it just the surface noise (what I call "vinyl roar") and the ticks & pops? Or do some of the other inaccuracies (eg. frequency response, distortion, crosstalk, wow & flutter) make vinyl unlistenable?For me, it's preamp instability. I've now learned that vynil is a dead silent medium, that does not need heroics/cleaning to reduce surface noise as commonly thought, but rather a stable, albeit bling phono pre. Maybe a dust brush too.
I've subsequently dumped my fancy record cleaner and am in negotiations with Ralphie over a bling stable pre. The >$100 cartridge will have to wait.
To put it another way, if you heard some vinyl that had no audible ticks, pops or surface noise, how confident are you that you would be able to identify it as vinyl?Other than the NPR and furnace business, I thought we just did??
Oh Clive, c'mon now.
Perhaps you're now just a recovering placebophile...
Sorry, but I think you asked for it.
If it wasn't for the pops, it would sound fine to me. It does sound overall different than a CD, but I don't perceive it as worse or better. Just slightly different.
However, I only have limited experience with actual vinyl. I don't own a setup, but my father did in the past. In those days, I didn't have a CD player yet. My vinyl comparisons are using those "24-bit vinyl rips" one can find online, which I have downloaded due to curiosity to compare them against my CDs. So this might invalidate any kind of comparisons I did vs CDs, not sure.
But some of those vinyl rips were surprisingly clean, with extremely few noticeable pops. And those sounded fine to me; as I said, slightly different sound, but not worse nor better. I don't know if vinyl is pressed from a different master though compared to digital releases. That might be the reason for the majority of the differences I hear, and those differences are very small (to me) to begin with.
With that being said though, in the age of Spotify (and friends), I find myself bothering less and less with using CDs when Spotify is just a click away. In fact, I don't think I played an actual CD in... over a year now? So I can't imagine that I'd be willing to deal with the additional hassles of using vinyl. I do realize though that for many people, these "hassles" are part of the experience. I completely understand why holding a vinyl record in your hands, putting it on, moving the needle, etc, would be a satisfying experience. I totally get it.
So another vinyl topic in General Audio forum... but why not, if the mods don't care.
My opinion is extremely simple: if a vinyl, a tape, or cassette release sounds great, and it is exclusively released on such storage media, I will digitize it ASAP before it deteriorates, or ask someone to do that for me if I don't have the equipment.
Simply because... only digital formats can last forever.
I have a question that I don't feel inclined to ask in That Other Thread, since it seems to have turned into an Atmasphere-kicking session.
I've been (unfairly, IMO) accused of various things on this forum, such as a "vinyl apologist", and a "placebophile". Let me make my position absolutely clear: I am neither a vinylphile nor a vinylphobe. I understand and acknowledge the technical limitations of vinyl, and yet I can enjoy listening to it. Despite its manifest flaws, I happen to think that vinyl can sound pretty damn good in a normal domestic listening situation.
I want to hear from those who hate vinyl exactly what it is that they find so objectionable. Is it just the surface noise (what I call "vinyl roar") and the ticks & pops? Or do some of the other inaccuracies (eg. frequency response, distortion, crosstalk, wow & flutter) make vinyl unlistenable?
To put it another way, if you heard some vinyl that had no audible ticks, pops or surface noise, how confident are you that you would be able to identify it as vinyl?
There is an DSP plug-in made by Case especially for that slow initialing digital Receivers. Just install it, place it in your foobar2000 DSP-Chain and be happy. Download it at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~cse/foobar2000/foo_dsp_pregap.fb2k-component
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The guy markets valve (tube) equipment based on the circlotron, 85-ish year-old technology and horrendously inefficient. Quite how much of that video do you think he's going to follow? Think in terms of lost causes!Well, I cannot control how much of that is he gonna add to his knowledge about things. You see, the video more or less uses audio as means of getting a point across about something that is valid for the entirety of signal processing. But I'll happily provide information when I have something to share, notwithstanding whether he's willing to listen or just disregards that, etc.
I don't think that just because he shills his old tech, doesn't mean he can learn about these things, etc. In my industry we have lots of older people learning new things about engineering all the time, sometimes this means that how things were done up to that point are now considered sub-par or even plainly wrong. That's progress. Sometimes this is just down to misunderstanding, or a lack of a certain little piece of knowledge etc., the video kinda hints at that with how the sample-and-hold display is just a representation of something quite different, etc. Sometimes little things such as that are the reason for an entire huge blob of misunderstanding and arguing. This is especially true for the "bubble press", as I like to call them. They claim to be authoritative in a field in which they simply don't have all the information necessary to form an educated opinion, etc.
It seems that recent changes have broken local video playback..
From Version 2.2beta1 afterwards.
Last post by antz -
I finally found the video I wanted Ralph to watch, a couple posts back:The guy markets valve (tube) equipment based on the circlotron, 85-ish year-old technology and horrendously inefficient. Quite how much of that video do you think he's going to follow? Think in terms of lost causes!
Basically over the past 8 years my library has accumulated a ton of stuff in different locations, and those often have a lot of things i don't want to import or things i want to selectively import... the only thing I see in the Media Library option to add folders in.
Just on this, the Media Library list in the foobar2000 preferences is typically used for adding the parent folder (or folders) where all a user's music is stored within, rather than individual album folders. foobar2000 then monitors the entire music folder and sub-folders for changes and updates its library automatically.
For selectively excluding folders or tracks the most straightforward way foobar2000 supports is by setting their properties in Windows to Hidden, and it will hide from foobar2000. Un-hiding will reset the 'date added' tags of foobar2000 addons like Playback Statistics however (if you care at all about that). There are other methods of excluding files/folders that come to mind, such as creating an autoplaylist that excludes a folder path, but the hidden files method works across the entire foobar2000 library.