Hi, today I encountered a CD that only has pre-emphasis flags in subcode, but not in TOC (and only in some tracks). I usually use EAC to rip, which doesn't support subcode-only pre-em flags any more, so I changed to other tools.
I tested with CUERipper, cdrdao, and cdda2wav, just out of curiosity. Surprisingly, I found that cdda2wav will give incorrect results. Details below.
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The case in point is this Onyanko Club - Super Best CD, from 80s Japan, which is infamous for pervasiveness of pre-em CDs.
When using CUEripper, its CUE reports only track 1, 6, 9, 11 have pre-em. Since this is a compilation CD, all the tracks can be found in other CDs, I can 95% confirm (by comparison in listening and spectrum analysis) that this is correct.
cdrdao reports similar:
E:\sync\Software\cd\cdrdao-1.2.3-bin\cdrdao-1.2.3-win32>cdrdao read-toc --device
8,0,0 test.toc
Cdrdao version 1.2.3 - (C) Andreas Mueller <andreas@daneb.de>
8,0,0: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM SP80NB60 Rev: RA00
Cannot read driver table from file "/usr/local/share/cdrdao/drivers" - using bui
lt-in table.
Using driver: Generic SCSI-3/MMC - Version 2.0 (options 0x0000)
ERROR: Unable to determine drive letter for device 8,0,0! No OS level locking.
Reading toc data...
Track Mode Flags Start Length
------------------------------------------------------------
1 AUDIO 0 00:00:00( 0) 03:50:00( 17250)
2 AUDIO 0 03:50:00( 17250) 04:16:50( 19250)
3 AUDIO 0 08:06:50( 36500) 03:59:45( 17970)
4 AUDIO 0 12:06:20( 54470) 03:28:52( 15652)
5 AUDIO 0 15:34:72( 70122) 03:44:08( 16808)
6 AUDIO 0 19:19:05( 86930) 03:12:20( 14420)
7 AUDIO 0 22:31:25(101350) 03:52:20( 17420)
8 AUDIO 0 26:23:45(118770) 03:45:20( 16895)
9 AUDIO 0 30:08:65(135665) 04:08:45( 18645)
10 AUDIO 0 34:17:35(154310) 04:00:65( 18065)
11 AUDIO 0 38:18:25(172375) 03:58:67( 17917)
12 AUDIO 0 42:17:17(190292) 03:50:70( 17320)
13 AUDIO 0 46:08:12(207612) 03:50:15( 17265)
14 AUDIO 0 49:58:27(224877) 03:08:60( 14160)
15 AUDIO 0 53:07:12(239037) 04:21:60( 19635)
Leadout AUDIO 0 57:28:72(258672)
PQ sub-channel reading (audio track) is supported, data format is BCD.
Raw P-W sub-channel reading (audio track) is supported.
Cooked R-W sub-channel reading (audio track) is supported.
Analyzing track 01 (AUDIO): start 00:00:00, length 03:50:00...
Found 38 Q sub-channels with CRC errors.
WARNING: Pre-emphasis flag of track differs from TOC - toc file contains TOC set
ting.
Analyzing track 02 (AUDIO): start 03:50:00, length 04:16:50...
Found pre-gap: 00:02:10
Found 28 Q sub-channels with CRC errors.
Control nibbles of track match CD-TOC settings.
Analyzing track 03 (AUDIO): start 08:06:50, length 03:59:45...
Found pre-gap: 00:02:08
Found 21 Q sub-channels with CRC errors.
Control nibbles of track match CD-TOC settings.
Analyzing track 04 (AUDIO): start 12:06:20, length 03:28:52...
Found pre-gap: 00:02:00
Found 11 Q sub-channels with CRC errors.
Control nibbles of track match CD-TOC settings.
Analyzing track 05 (AUDIO): start 15:34:72, length 03:44:08...
Found pre-gap: 00:01:72
Found 9 Q sub-channels with CRC errors.
Control nibbles of track match CD-TOC settings.
Analyzing track 06 (AUDIO): start 19:19:05, length 03:12:20...
Found pre-gap: 00:02:03
Found 12 Q sub-channels with CRC errors.
WARNING: Pre-emphasis flag of track differs from TOC - toc file contains TOC set
ting.
Analyzing track 07 (AUDIO): start 22:31:25, length 03:52:20...
Found pre-gap: 00:02:03
Found 20 Q sub-channels with CRC errors.
Control nibbles of track match CD-TOC settings.
Analyzing track 08 (AUDIO): start 26:23:45, length 03:45:20...
Found pre-gap: 00:02:03
Found 17 Q sub-channels with CRC errors.
Control nibbles of track match CD-TOC settings.
Analyzing track 09 (AUDIO): start 30:08:65, length 04:08:45...
Found pre-gap: 00:02:03
Found 13 Q sub-channels with CRC errors.
WARNING: Pre-emphasis flag of track differs from TOC - toc file contains TOC set
ting.
Analyzing track 10 (AUDIO): start 34:17:35, length 04:00:65...
Found pre-gap: 00:02:05
Found 10 Q sub-channels with CRC errors.
Control nibbles of track match CD-TOC settings.
Analyzing track 11 (AUDIO): start 38:18:25, length 03:58:67...
Found pre-gap: 00:02:03
Found 15 Q sub-channels with CRC errors.
WARNING: Pre-emphasis flag of track differs from TOC - toc file contains TOC set
ting.
Analyzing track 12 (AUDIO): start 42:17:17, length 03:50:70...
Found pre-gap: 00:02:02
Found 11 Q sub-channels with CRC errors.
Control nibbles of track match CD-TOC settings.
Analyzing track 13 (AUDIO): start 46:08:12, length 03:50:15...
Found pre-gap: 00:02:00
Found 9 Q sub-channels with CRC errors.
Control nibbles of track match CD-TOC settings.
Analyzing track 14 (AUDIO): start 49:58:27, length 03:08:60...
Found pre-gap: 00:02:00
Found 7 Q sub-channels with CRC errors.
Control nibbles of track match CD-TOC settings.
Analyzing track 15 (AUDIO): start 53:07:12, length 04:21:60...
Found pre-gap: 00:02:00
Found 6 Q sub-channels with CRC errors.
Control nibbles of track match CD-TOC settings.
Reading of toc data finished successfully.
(Note: I know it shows "Q sub-channels with CRC errors." for almost all the tracks.. but I don't think it's true. Other users reported similar problems and I encounter it on almost all my CDs in this genre and era).
Then here is the log from cdda-wav, which bugs me:
C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\schily-cdrtools-3.02a07\win32>cdda2wav -J
No target specified, trying to find one...
Using dev=7,0,0.
Type: ROM, Vendor 'HL-DT-ST' Model 'DVDRAM SP80NB60 ' Revision 'RA00' MMC+CDDA
261632 bytes buffer memory requested, transfer size 64512 bytes, 4 buffers, 27 s
ectors
#Cdda2wav version 3.02a07_mingw32_nt_1.0.17-0.48-3-2-_i686_i686, libparanoia sup
port
AUDIOtrack pre-emphasis copy-permitted tracktype channels
1-15 no no audio 2
Table of Contents: total tracks:15, (total time 57:28.72)
1.( 3:50.00), 2.( 4:16.50), 3.( 3:59.45), 4.( 3:28.52), 5.( 3:44.08),
6.( 3:12.20), 7.( 3:52.20), 8.( 3:45.20), 9.( 4:08.45), 10.( 4:00.65),
11.( 3:58.67), 12.( 3:50.70), 13.( 3:50.15), 14.( 3:08.60), 15.( 4:21.60),
Table of Contents: starting sectors
1.( 0), 2.( 17250), 3.( 36500), 4.( 54470), 5.( 70122),
6.( 86930), 7.( 101350), 8.( 118770), 9.( 135665), 10.( 154310),
11.( 172375), 12.( 190292), 13.( 207612), 14.( 224877), 15.( 239037),
lead-out( 258672)
CDINDEX discid: Bk20VmlSPt6WEen5bpehBUBc6no-
CDDB discid: 0xc20d780f
CD-Text: not detected
CD-Extra: not detected
No media catalog number present.
scanning for ISRCs: 15 ...
index scan: 1...difference: TOC:without, subchannel:with preemphasis
correcting TOC...
difference: TOC:with, subchannel:without preemphasis
correcting TOC...
index scan: 5...difference: TOC:without, subchannel:with preemphasis
correcting TOC...
difference: TOC:with, subchannel:without preemphasis
correcting TOC...
difference: TOC:without, subchannel:with preemphasis
correcting TOC...
index scan: 6...difference: TOC:without, subchannel:with preemphasis
correcting TOC...
difference: TOC:with, subchannel:without preemphasis
correcting TOC...
index scan: 8...difference: TOC:without, subchannel:with preemphasis
correcting TOC...
difference: TOC:with, subchannel:without preemphasis
correcting TOC...
difference: TOC:without, subchannel:with preemphasis
correcting TOC...
index scan: 9...difference: TOC:without, subchannel:with preemphasis
correcting TOC...
difference: TOC:with, subchannel:without preemphasis
correcting TOC...
index scan: 10...difference: TOC:without, subchannel:with preemphasis
correcting TOC...
difference: TOC:with, subchannel:without preemphasis
correcting TOC...
difference: TOC:without, subchannel:with preemphasis
correcting TOC...
index scan: 11...difference: TOC:without, subchannel:with preemphasis
correcting TOC...
difference: TOC:with, subchannel:without preemphasis
correcting TOC...
index scan: 15...
You can see, it's pretty strange:
For tr. 1, 6, 9, 11 (the tracks that are supposed to have pre-em flag):
It firstly detected pre-em tag in subcode, and corrected TOC;
Then it found no pre-em tag in subcode, and "corrected" TOC AGAIN;
In conclusion (confirmed in .inf file it generated), it considers tr. 1/6/9/11 has no pre-em flag because those two "corrections" cancel each other.
For tr. 5, 8, 10 (all the tracks before the actual pre-em tracks):
It firstly detected pre-em tag in subcode, and "corrected " TOC;
Then it found no pre-em tag in subcode, and "corrected" TOC AGAIN;
Then it found re-em tag in subcode AGAIN, and "corrected" TOC AGAIN (3rd time);
In the end, it marks those tracks as "pre-em", even though they're not.
I have no idea why it behaviors this way.
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