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Validated News / Re: WavPack 5.5.0 Released
Last post by shadowking -
Thanks shadowking! Yeah, the website is starting to look a little small. I'll look around and see if I can tweak anything obvious, but I'm no web guru. Patches welcome...   :D

The manual also suffers from this, but I should probably convert that to pdf like I have the developer documentation.


Thanks, I found that increasing the browser minimum font to 14 or 15 solves
it and other sites with smallish text. Of course some content breaks but not a lot.

The manual is fine , I prefer html over pdf
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General Audio / Re: Newb Question - is it better to conver Mod Files to FLAC or MP3?
Last post by rutra80 -
Do you notice when you use foobar's converter to encode mp3, "Output bit depth" and "Dither" in the converter dialog are not available? When you click the "Edit" button then choose "Custom" in the drop down dialog, if you specify the format is "lossy", then foobar will treat the format as lossy, and the transcode waning will not show up. foobar of course has these presets out of the box so users don't need to manually do this, unless you are using other unpopular encoders.

As mentioned, foo_openmpt54 may render some files with >0dBFS values, so it is not only a matter of "resolution", but also compatibility. Without paying attention, casual conversion to FLAC may induce clipping, so the warning makes perfect sense: users should take care of audio level themselves.
That's the problem - MODs have no bit depth. Look at MP3 Properties how fb2k handles them - there's no bit depth. The same should be with MODs.
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You are limiting yourself to the so-called "legacy" impression of "MOD" music to some specific old hardware or software, just some examples of demos require a fairly modern computer to run utilizing tracker music:
https://www.pouet.net/

Even the foobar plugin being discussed (OpenMPT) is orginated from a modern PC tracker, see the advanced features:
https://openmpt.org/features
You're talking to a guy whose tracker music was used in some games, believe me Pouet and OpenMPT are no news to me :]
No MOD in existence has samples over 16bits, no MOD in existence has been mastered for anything higher than 16bits. Yes some newer trackers may be using DSP with precision higher than that, or floating point, just like MP3 internally is floating point. It doesn't change the fact that at the end you don't decode MODs or MP3 to anything higher than 16bits, unless for some special purposes. Period.
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General Audio / Re: Newb Question - is it better to conver Mod Files to FLAC or MP3?
Last post by Porcus -
Really? You should get the warning while transcoding internally float32 MP3 to FLAC?  :))
Absolutely. Creating a file in a lossless format does not make for losslessness in that case.
For the same reason as MQA is not lossless - but more: float32 can exceed 0 dB, and many MP3s do. FLACs could then clip.

You should also get a warning while transcoding MP3 to WavPack even if WavPack can accommodate 32-bit floating-point.

foobar2000 lets you switch off those warnings.


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General Audio / Re: Newb Question - is it better to conver Mod Files to FLAC or MP3?
Last post by bennetng -
Most music sources (like CDs) and listening hardware is 16bit. That you encode to lossy format like MP3 which is floating point internally, doesn't mean that you should get warnings while transcoding to FLAC that it won't be lossless because it doesn't support float32, nor should you play it back at 32bits, nor should you have info in Properties dialog that MP3 is 32bit. And you don't.
Do you notice when you use foobar's converter to encode mp3, "Output bit depth" and "Dither" in the converter dialog are not available? When you click the "Edit" button then choose "Custom" in the drop down dialog, if you specify the format is "lossy", then foobar will treat the format as lossy, and the transcode waning will not show up. foobar of course has these presets out of the box so users don't need to manually do this, unless you are using other unpopular encoders.

As mentioned, foo_openmpt54 may render some files with >0dBFS values, so it is not only a matter of "resolution", but also compatibility. Without paying attention, casual conversion to FLAC may induce clipping, so the warning makes perfect sense: users should take care of audio level themselves.

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There's no point in converting MODs to lossless formats at bit-depths higher than 16.
I'd say in terms of transparency, there is no need to convert any audio format, including generic ones like DSD and Hi-res PCM beyond 16/44 if the differences cannot be ABX'ed. The whole thing has nothing to do with MOD music at all.

You are limiting yourself to the so-called "legacy" impression of "MOD" music to some specific old hardware or software, just some examples of demos require a fairly modern computer to run utilizing tracker music:
https://www.pouet.net/

Even the foobar plugin being discussed (OpenMPT) is orginated from a modern PC tracker, see the advanced features:
https://openmpt.org/features

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General Audio / Re: Newb Question - is it better to conver Mod Files to FLAC or MP3?
Last post by Porcus -
doesn't mean that you should get warnings while transcoding to FLAC that it won't be lossless because it doesn't support float32
Yes you should. You should get warned when trying to encode lossily into a lossless format.
It doesn't matter that the loss is inaudible - encoding lossless is supposed to be just that (lossless), and if the user wants to downconvert, let them override.
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General - (fb2k) / Re: DSD WavPack files with different codec values?
Last post by Porcus -
The screenshots make it look like a difference in how fb2k displays them. In that case it is fb2k-specific.

Obvious first debugging to see if there is something odd about the files:
* Make a new folder with copies of the WavPack files
* wvunpack them
* open the unpacked .dsf in fb2k, ffmpeg -i them ... to check for anything suspicious
* WavPack them with 5.0 and with the newest 5.5 and check that 5.0 and 5.5 look the same in fb2k for each file. (First shot: just drag and drop them onto wavpack.exe - it won't use the "high", but it is good to check.)
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3rd Party Plugins - (fb2k) / Re: Search-by-Distance-SMP
Last post by paregistrase -
Cool, now I can get my changes to last more than a few days xD
It opens the file browser alongside the .js, intentional?

There a message error in the browser map
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Check console 'Ctrl + Shift + K'. There are some errors on 'music_graph_descriptors_xxx.js' or 'music_graph_descriptors_xxx_user.js'
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Ha fallado la carga del <script> con origen "file:///home/xxxxxxx/bin/foobar2000/profile/scripts/SMP/xxx-scripts/helpers/music_graph_descriptors_xxx_user.js". Draw Graph.html:23:1
music_graph_descriptors_xxx: Basic debug enabled music_graph_xxx.js:352:10
music_graph_descriptors_xxx Warning: 'style_anti_influence' or 'style_secondary_origin' or 'style_primary_origin' has nodes not found on any other descriptor. Check 'Graph nodes and links' section
Tuareg Music music_graph_xxx.js:526:13
music_graph_descriptors_xxx Warning: 'style_supergenre' has nodes not compatible with ASCII. Check 'Graph nodes and links' section
Forró music_graph_xxx.js:586:13
music_graph_descriptors_xxx Warning: 'style_supergenre' has nodes not compatible with ASCII. Check 'Graph nodes and links' section
Laridé music_graph_xxx.js:586:13
music_graph_descriptors_xxx Warning: 'style_supergenre' has nodes not compatible with ASCII. Check 'Graph nodes and links' section
Rumba Fusión music_graph_xxx.js:586:13
music_graph_descriptors_xxx Warning: 'style_supergenre' has nodes not compatible with ASCII. Check 'Graph nodes and links' section
Éntekhno music_graph_xxx.js:586:13
music_graph_descriptors_xxx Warning: 'style_supergenre' has nodes not compatible with ASCII. Check 'Graph nodes and links' section
Étude 2 music_graph_xxx.js:586:13
music_graph_descriptors_xxx: Advanced debug enabled music_graph_xxx.js:619:11
Warning: music_graph() used within html. You should use music_graph_fordrawing() instead! (Unless this is a call from debug func)

but accepting the graph load.

Not related:

Is a placebo effect, or are the results more varied in terms of number of different artists within the search playlist with the last releases?