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Hydrogenaudio Forum => General Audio => Topic started by: Foobar3030 on 2019-03-28 13:01:45

Title: UMG Watermarking in 2019
Post by: Foobar3030 on 2019-03-28 13:01:45
For those who are unfamiliar with the background here, this post (https://www.mattmontag.com/music/universals-audible-watermark) offers a strong summary as well as audio examples and ABX results. In short, Universal Music Group labels have had an audible watermarking technique applied to their catalogues since the early 2000s. It works as follows:

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The watermark scheme modulates the total energy in two different bands, 1khz to 2.3 khz and 2.3 to 3.6 khz. The energy is concentrated in the most perceptually sensitive frequencies because that makes it more difficult to attack or remove without significant audible distortion.

The energy is increased or reduced in 0.04 second blocks. The result can be characterized as a fluttering, tremolo sound.

This has been a subject of HA discussions in the past, but there are several new-ish aspects to the story which are (as yet) unresolved:

1. There are rumours that UMG suspended the use of watermarking at some point in the past several years. Some have reported that streaming services need only 're-download' the UMG content to their distribution servers in order for us to access non-tainted versions of the UMG catalogue. I've not been able to find clear evidence of this, and certainly, watermarked copies still seem to be distributed on the likes of Spotify.

2. Other people have suggested that UMG have only dropped watermarking for new content uploaded to the streaming services. It is unclear whether this refers only to new recordings, or also new compilations and remasterings of existing material.

3. Many of you will recall that in 2012, European regulators forced UMG to divest of EMI Classics, Parlophone and several other imprints. This was around the time the watermarking problem first came to the fore. Several of those imprints are now owned by Warner Music Group: It is unclear whether Warner's current digital catalogue retains traces of watermarking introduced by UMG pre-2012.

I would be interested to hear if anyone has insight or insider knowledge regarding these points, or perhaps can offer additional comment on the problem.
Title: Re: UMG Watermarking in 2019
Post by: Foobar3030 on 2019-03-28 16:10:20
The option to edit the post seems to have disappeared, so let me add a little more here:

3b. Some more background: EMI was purchased by Universal in about September 2012. Several EMI imprints (EMI Classics, Parlophone, etc.) were sold to Warner Music Group several months later in April 2013. This means there was a 6-month period in which those music libraries were owned by UMG, and I'm wondering whether in that time they were subjected to the company's watermarking treatment. If so, has it persisted in Warner's digital catalogue?

4. It's been suggested on another site that whilst UMG (may) have suspended watermarking for CD quality streaming/digital releases, the practice has been extended to some high resolution content. As recently as several months back, listeners uncovered watermarking on even hi-res digital downloads -- content which is sold for often considerable sums.
Title: Re: UMG Watermarking in 2019
Post by: Wombat on 2019-03-30 01:49:23
I did re-download the 24/96 file today already mentioned in the thread Oldfield watermarked at qobuz? (https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,111198.msg924060.html#msg924060)
It still has the same audio MD5 as the file from 3 years back but the tag has changed.
I doubt what once entered into a resellers store will get replaced automatically with non watermarked content.
Title: Re: UMG Watermarking in 2019
Post by: Foobar3030 on 2019-03-30 11:26:47
For newcomers to this topic: This article (https://www.wired.com/2008/01/drm-is-dead-but-watermarks-rise-from-its-ashes/) from Wombat's thread suggests that Sony is also using a form of watermarking in its digital catalogues. I've not come across any obvious effects on sound quality there, so perhaps they have adopted a more subtle approach.

I'm not sure how feasible it is, but I would be glad to see a Foobar plugin developed which can detect (or generate a probability of the presence of) certain kinds of watermarking in tracks being played.
Title: Re: UMG Watermarking in 2019
Post by: Chibisteven on 2019-03-30 11:33:10
For newcomers to this topic: This article (https://www.wired.com/2008/01/drm-is-dead-but-watermarks-rise-from-its-ashes/) from Wombat's thread suggests that Sony is also using a form of watermarking in its digital catalogues. I've not come across any obvious effects on sound quality there, so perhaps they have adopted a more subtle approach.

I'm not sure how feasible it is, but I would be glad to see a Foobar plugin developed which can detect (or generate a probability of the presence of) certain kinds of watermarking in tracks being played.

Sony is the type to give you the subtle rootkit.  They don't want you to know or even notice it's there as long as it does it's job for them.

Universal seems to be the type to not give a shit about quality and probably doesn't care if you notice as long as it doesn't affect their bottom line.
Title: Re: UMG Watermarking in 2019
Post by: mmontag on 2019-07-12 04:51:34
A quick update on this, at least on Spotify – the watermark seems to be disappearing from some of the UMG back catalog.

A few examples here: https://www.mattmontag.com/music/an-update-on-umg-watermarks

This is good news folks  :)
Title: Re: UMG Watermarking in 2019
Post by: j7n on 2019-07-13 09:55:06
I confirm that a watermark doesn't exist in "Songs in the Key of Life" (one of the examples on the blog link) on Deezer. Or if it does exist, it is the same as in ~300+ confirmations in the Cuetools database.

The watermaked rips that still exist have the modulation slightly different than described on the blog article. Affected frequencies are between 2 kHz and 4.5 kHz, and the level of the distortion is about 20-25 dB below signal power at the given interval. I wasn't able to hear it in Pop music at comfortable level, but didn't try instrumental music. Seems that the original signal is modulated, instead of noise being added.

original (http://i.imgur.com/gHL7zKf.png) difference (http://i.imgur.com/7WVxNBT.png)

Another example where the w/m exists is "Barenaked Ladies Are Men" (2016, Concord Vanguard).
Title: Re: UMG Watermarking in 2019
Post by: Fast on 2019-07-13 21:07:03
For newcomers to this topic: This article (https://www.wired.com/2008/01/drm-is-dead-but-watermarks-rise-from-its-ashes/) from Wombat's thread suggests that Sony is also using a form of watermarking in its digital catalogues. I've not come across any obvious effects on sound quality there, so perhaps they have adopted a more subtle approach.

I'm not sure how feasible it is, but I would be glad to see a Foobar plugin developed which can detect (or generate a probability of the presence of) certain kinds of watermarking in tracks being played.
Sony releases are free of watermarking, except for pre-releases (streams, promo CDs and etc) meant for critics. Every major label does that to prevent unwanted leaks.
Title: Re: UMG Watermarking in 2019
Post by: Fast on 2019-07-13 21:51:29
A quick update on this, at least on Spotify – the watermark seems to be disappearing from some of the UMG back catalog.

A few examples here: https://www.mattmontag.com/music/an-update-on-umg-watermarks

This is good news folks  :)
Since 2018 they stopped uploading watermarked content alltogether in most places. They supposedly re-uploaded their whole catalog on iTunes/Apple Music in 2019. I tested some old purchased m4as from there vs. ones I obtained via iTunes Match and managed to extract watermakrs, meaning that the new versions are clean.
Spotify, TIDAL, Qobuz and Deezer are still holding watermarked old files.