I have 3 different plugins: in_mp3pro.dll, in_mad.dll, in_mpg123.dll.
Is one of these better than the other, as I can't hear any difference. The player is 1by1.
"in_mp3pro.dll" supports mp3PRO files. If you don't use any mp3PRO files, don't use it.
"in_mad.dll" is an integer only MP3 decoder. It is good for slow PCs.
"in_mpg123.dll" is the decoder foobar2000 uses AFAIK. I would use that one. The current version supports reading of APEv2 tags and is capabile of gapless playback IIRC.
"in_mad.dll" is an integer only MP3 decoder. It is good for slow PCs.
Umm.. eh? The MAD decoder uses more cpu cycles than in_mpg123 and in_mp3pro, and also in_mp3 in winamp, etc. So why would it be better for slow PC's then?.
I have no mp3Pro files, so I guess this plugin is out.
in_mad could be good for me (presuming you're correct about it being good for slow PC's) as I don't have no flashy PC, it's 1100Mhz Duron powered This is the plugin I usually use. But what does "integer" mean? Sorry for my lack of knowledge on this word.
As for in_mpg123, well I found 3 versions of this right here: http://www3.cypress.ne.jp/otachan/in_mpg123.html (http://www3.cypress.ne.jp/otachan/in_mpg123.html)
But I have no idea what the difference is between them. I chose the top one, in_mpg123_118ot60a.zip Ver. 1.18y ot60a (327KB) (2004/1/17), and what drew me to this was another thread I saw which said mpg123 could play back mp3 gapless in Winamp, so I downloaded it because I occasionally use Winamp, but mainly to see if it did anything at all in 1by1. The thread I'm referring to is here: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....0&&#entry152918 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=15177&st=0&&#entry152918)
Thanks for the help.
Oh, sorry! My bad...
The MAD plugin should be used for CPUs without a FPU.
Edit: Wait a second... It uses more CPU cycles, but calculating with integers is faster than calculating with decimals.
OK.
What's an FPU?
LOL...
OK.
What's an FPU?
LOL...
1. Integers are whole numbers like 1, 5, 99...
2. FPU stands for "Floating Point Unit". It is the part of the CPU which handles decimals (like 11.4, 1.0000004, 0.5...)
Haha... no shit... OK!
How do I know if I have an FPU? Sorry for being a pain in the ass!!
Good luck finding a machine without FPU, anything starting from pentium has FPU on-chip, and anything below it is probably too slow to decode MP3
Older machines (pentium-class) have relatively slow FPUs, integer-based decoder will perform better there, but AFAIK in_mp3 is integer-based too (and much faster than MAD). mpg123 performs faster on Athlon-class or P2-class or newer machines.
You can always disable the 'Numeric data processor' under a Win 32 OS
Most 486s also had an FPU, though Intel sold 486s with the FPU disabled as well.
386s also had FPU, but it was a seperate chip. Back then it cost hundreds just to be able to run fp numbers.
386s also had FPU, but it was a seperate chip. Back then it cost hundreds just to be able to run fp numbers.
386 with fpu = 387 ..i remember i had a 386 16mhz, and then got a fpu and stuck in, suddenly things became *fast*
Most 486s also had an FPU, though Intel sold 486s with the FPU disabled as well.
386s also had FPU, but it was a seperate chip. Back then it cost hundreds just to be able to run fp numbers.
And here goes the Time Machine... (to the "age" where only CAD programs uses the FPU )
386 DX: full 32bits system*, optional separated FPU
386 SX: 32bits cpu, 16bit memory bus (slower), optional separated FPU
486 DX: full 32bits system*, FPU integrated at cpu chip
486 SX: full 32bits system*, no FPU
* ISA BUS excluded.
"in_mp3pro.dll" supports mp3PRO files. If you don't use any mp3PRO files, don't use it.
"in_mad.dll" is an integer only MP3 decoder. It is good for slow PCs.
"in_mpg123.dll" is the decoder foobar2000 uses AFAIK. I would use that one. The current version supports reading of APEv2 tags and is capabile of gapless playback IIRC.
any idea where i could find the mpg123.dll plugin?? i would love foobars gapless playback in winamp. the link above is in japanese and i cant tell what im looking at.
anyone have experience with this plugin? is it as good as the standard winamp plugin?
There are some in_mpg123 links visible right under the bullet-list.
edit: Please see the Otachan's in_!mpg123 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18530) thread for info about the alternative Winamp mp3 playback plugin.
in_mpg123_118ot60a.zip Ver. 1.18y ot60a (327KB) (2004/1/17)
in_mpg123_118ot60asse.zip Ver. 1.18y ot60a SSE (327KB) (2004/1/17)
in_mpg123_118ot60asse2.zip Ver. 1.18y ot60a SSE2 (328KB) (2004/1/17)
But which one is best!!?
Cool, MP3-Gapless-Support in Winamp5 (with this plug-in).
Or am I wrong ?
But which one is best!!?
If you don't use a Pentium III, Pentium 4, or an Athlon XP, get the first one.
If you use a Pentium III or Athlon XP system, get the SSE one.
If you use a Pentium 4, get the SSE2 one.
edit: If your CPU isn't one of the above, but supports SSE or SSE2, then use the appropriate build, please.
Thanks. I use a crappy Duron 1100 but it does have SSE.
SSE Version works in Winamp 2.91 also.
386 with fpu = 387
Nope, the i387 was the fpu itself.
(http://www.snoopy.force9.co.uk/sos/threadhijacklive.jpg)
Cool, MP3-Gapless-Support in Winamp5 (with this plug-in).
Or am I wrong ?
I think that only with lame with gapless parameters files. Foobar can play gapless any mp3 files.
Hmm, just encoded a few files from flac with foobar and lame (3.95.1) to MP3, but Winamp5 doesn't play gapless with the mp123-plug-in.
Have anyone any idea, what could help ?
Thanks !
The player is 1by1.
1by1 ( http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~pesch/ (http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~pesch/) ) will currently use any mp3 ACM codec or mpglib.dll or any Winamp 2.x (5.x) input plug to decode mp3. So you have even more options too choose from than:
in_mp3pro.dll, in_mad.dll, in_mpg123.dll.
Like e.g Nullsoft in_mp3.dll or Lame ACM codec or ...
Hmm, just encoded a few files from flac with foobar and lame (3.95.1) to MP3, but Winamp5 doesn't play gapless with the mp123-plug-in.
Have anyone any idea, what could help ?
Thanks !
you have to work around a winamp limitation by choosing the "buffer ahead" option in the out_ds plugin.
winamp has 2 limitations, the mp3 input plugin limitation is just one of it. The buffer ahead option is just a dirty hack to work around the second one. Fiddle with the buffer value to make the outcome pleasing
the mpg123 mp3 plugin is the only one that doesn't suffer from the mp3 input limitation. If you use another plugin, you supposedly can work around by checking the "remove silence" box and play with the db values.
one QUESTION:
does this otachan mpg input plugin now support ML metadata exchange? It is updated in January. Before harashin posted a special modified version to support the ML.
Can the plugin do this now "out of the box"?
one QUESTION:
does this otachan mpg input plugin now support ML metadata exchange? It is updated in January. Before harashin posted a special modified version to support the ML.
Can the plugin do this now "out of the box"?
I'm not sure, but I think this changelog entry is relevant.
Ver. 1.18y ot57
Supports winampGetExtendedFileInfo. (Thanks to T-Matsuo)
It's now possible to display tag info in the Media Library.
yes. That's the answer. thanks kjoonlee. BTW could you *maybe* translate the whole site?
I have been there many times and have always wondered what was written there.
The tagging issue is still an issue. I once had a look at mp3infp too, but that was partly in japanese. I think harashin mentioned the possibility of creating language packs, but I couldn't find any (neither in english nor in other languages).
EDIT: grammar
Thank you, Amano!
Now it works great, even ogg and flac-Files are played gapless now. I've choosen a buffer-ahead-time from 255 ms.
Will there be any problem by playing with too much buffer-time ?
Nope. Not really. A big buffer increases a time lag. This doesn't affect music playing much, but you can see the consequences in other things:
eg. Emulation: Mario kicks a turtle, but the kick sound lags behind the actual kick.
With a music player the vis and the effects will start only after a certain lag time.
Good luck finding a machine without FPU, anything starting from pentium has FPU on-chip, and anything below it is probably too slow to decode MP3
Older machines (pentium-class) have relatively slow FPUs, integer-based decoder will perform better there, but AFAIK in_mp3 is integer-based too (and much faster than MAD). mpg123 performs faster on Athlon-class or P2-class or newer machines.
Via C3 processors have a half speed FPU. But it should still be fast enough. Processors prior the the 486 have separate FPUs called maths co-processors and most people didn't buy one. For example a 286 would need a 287 FPU if floating point was to be done in hardware.
Cheers,
Fairy
(http://regenerated.00cash.com/images/1by1.png)
As I still couldn't force myself to completely switch from winamp to foobar (not after allt these years), I am very interested in the development of the mpg123 plugin, as it seems to be the only plugin being under development currently. The internal winamp plugin (the MP3 part) didn't get updated for some time now and the MAD plugin doesn't seem to be supported at all anymore.
(...snip...)
the MAD plugin doesn't seem to be supported at all anymore.
MAD bundle v0.15.0b 2003-10-12
MADplay/decoder bundle with Frontend and Winamp plugin (v0.14.2b but compiled against v0.15.0b libs). New compiles using Rob Leslie's "new Layer III IMDCT implementation" and 'OPT_ACCURACY' - MSVC6 compile
http://rarewares.hydrogenaudio.org/files/MADbundle.zip (http://rarewares.hydrogenaudio.org/files/MADbundle.zip)
It seems to still undergo some development....?
anyways... my last post before this was due to the fact that deeswift specifically expressed in his initial post that he was going to use the 1by1 player, a point that seems to have been largely sidestepped in this thread.
(deeswift @ Jan 18 2004, 03:46 AM)
The player is 1by1.
1by1 claims a gapless option, too. Don't know how well it's working, though.....
I think that the Winamp plugin itself hasn't been updated for quite a long time
http://www.mars.org/home/rob/proj/mpeg/mad...n%200.14.2b.exe (http://www.mars.org/home/rob/proj/mpeg/mad-plugin/MAD%20plug-in%200.14.2b.exe)
It is there on the MAD homepage for a more than a year.
(I can't investigate the date of compile, but in the "About" box it says © 2000-2001)
1by1 claims a gapless option, too. Don't know how well it's working, though.....
By looking at the options available, it seems like it uses the "ignore silence" hack.
ie. It does not support "true" gapless mp3 playback, like mpg123 and foobar2000 does.
1by1 claims a gapless option, too. Don't know how well it's working, though.....
By looking at the options available, it seems like it uses the "ignore silence" hack.
ie. It does not support "true" gapless mp3 playback, like mpg123 and foobar2000 does.
Just out of curiousity : What is "true" gapless mp3 playback anyways: I thought some kind of "hack" is nessecary to get gapless mp3 playback no matter what (as it's not supported by the format), only difference being between smarter/better and not so smart "hacks".
Just out of curiousity : What is "true" gapless mp3 playback anyways: I thought some kind of "hack" is nessecary to get gapless mp3 playback no matter what (as it's not supported by the format), only difference being between smarter/better and not so smart "hacks".
With encoding used by newer versions of Lame it is supported.
The thing that cause mp3 to not being gapless is that the length of the decoded data is longer than the original, because the encoder add data before and after the original data (padding).
Newer versions of lame stores how much such garbage data is added, and this information is then used by the decoder - You have got gapless support... :-)
Newer versions of lame stores how much such garbage data is added, and this information is then used by the decoder - You have got gapless support... :-)
So it's actually true gapless mp3 playback then, and not just "true" gapless mp3 playback.... Nifty!
(Even though I guess that I will still make MPC from my rips )
But back to deeswifts initial post: Personally i find 1by1 a very handy player in circumstances when you need a small & fast player, when environment is difficult e.g (a girl I know asked me to find an audioplayer that would perform well on an old machine running NT 4.0, she hadn't been able to find any -- she was very happy with 1by1). [Under normal circumstances I use foobar2000 special installer from Case's site.] ehh, back to tread: To quote myself :
1by1 ( http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~pesch/ (http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~pesch/) ) will currently use any mp3 ACM codec or mpglib.dll or any Winamp 2.x (5.x) input plug to decode mp3.
So what would be the best choice for mp3 playback with this player? 1by1 defaults to system ACM if present. If not it will use mpglib.dll. This is the readme for that file:
mpglib.dll (Win32) with source (LGPL)
Version 0.92, November 2001
Adapted from mpglib by Martin Pesch
(http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~pesch)
WHAT'S THIS
The mpglib.dll is a translation of mpg123's simplified mpglib
into a Win32 DLL. Unlike the mpglib this mpglib.dll decodes also
Layer 2 (like full mpg123). And it has a modified error handling:
Where the mpglib exits if an error in the MPEG stream occurs this
decoder returns an error message and will not halt
(see mpglibdll.h for more information.). There are no 3D-Now,
Pentium or 486 instructions in this version. So this decoder
will not run optimized.
PLEASE NOTE
The mpglib is originally provided by Michael Hipp under
the GNU Lesser General Public Licence (LGPL). So even this
modified version is provided under the LGPL (see lgpl.txt).
You find the mpg123 project at http://www.mpg123.de (http://www.mpg123.de). I used the
mpglib with optimized Huffman tables from the Lame project
wich is reachable under http://www.sulaco.org/mp3 (http://www.sulaco.org/mp3).
(Hmmm... that one claims to derive from mpg123 too...?)
But if a Winamp 2.x input plugin is present it will use this. Current 1by1 will support Nullsofts own in_mp3.dll as well as the those discussed here. If I have understood the general feeling in this tread right, the best choice out of these would be in_mpg123.dll??? Or....???
@kjoonlee:
Your translation is pretty good, it's not strange for me at all.
in_mpg123_118ot60a.zip Ver. 1.18y ot60a (327KB) (2004/1/17)
in_mpg123_118ot60asse.zip Ver. 1.18y ot60a SSE (327KB) (2004/1/17)
in_mpg123_118ot60asse2.zip Ver. 1.18y ot60a SSE2 (328KB) (2004/1/17)
But which one is best!!?
The normal build has 80bit accuracy decoding while others have 64bit processing.
Since IMO both 64bit and 80bit are overkill, I don't think this difference makes any audible difference.
iThe tagging issue is still an issue. I once had a look at mp3infp too, but that was partly in japanese. I think harashin mentioned the possibility of creating language packs, but I couldn't find any (neither in english nor in other languages).
OK guys, I've translated mp3infp into English. Since I don't have MSVC, this patch was made with using ResourceHacker.
mp3infp242 with English patch (http://cyberquebec.ca/harashin/mp3infp_english.zip)
tested youre patch, didnt break anything, just made everything plain dull english (and just when i was about to translate the older edda into japanese, sorry that was a lie, wish i could ) Respect
OK guys, I've translated mp3infp into English. Since I don't have MSVC, this patch was made with using ResourceHacker.
mp3infp242 with English patch (http://cyberquebec.ca/harashin/mp3infp_english.zip)
tnx a lot, harashin.
that's what I call responsive
Will have a closer look at it tomorrow.
TNX harashin, now the plugin is completely usable for me.
Some infos for those interested. By choosing the Winamp "File Info", the mpg123 input plugin will transport you into the Windows File Properties dialog, which is now extended (by MP3infp) by a IDv1 and IDv2 tab (now with translated text, TNX to harashin). There you can edit the MP3 tags, copy them (IDv1 to IDv2 and vice versa) or delete them.
Some Notes:
-The Help that comes with MP3infp (it comes up by pushing a "Help" button) is not translated
-The Settings Dialog is not translated (it comes up by pushing "Settings"): I would be interested, by what can be changed there, because APE2 is mentioned somewhere.
- I didn't have to switch to safemode (as suggested in the exe file), it worked fine in WinXP standard mode).
Using it in 1by1 by hitting alt+enter with file highlighted, which is the only way to display taginfo with 1by1, program crashed on mp2 file. On mp3 I have not seen any problems. I guess mp3infp242 doesn't work with mp2, even though in_mpg123 does....?
-The Help that comes with MP3infp (it comes up by pushing a "Help" button) is not translated
-The Settings Dialog is not translated (it comes up by pushing "Settings"): I would be interested, by what can be changed there, because APE2 is mentioned somewhere.
Sorry, but I'm too lazy to translate the whole thing.
However, although some parts are still left in Japanese(MSVC is needed for modifying them), the setting dialogs are translated.
mp3infp.cpl English patch (http://cyberquebec.ca/harashin/cpl_english.zip)
Now this patch is also included in my above mp3infp_english.zip.
-The Settings Dialog is not translated (it comes up by pushing "Settings"): I would be interested, by what can be changed there, because APE2 is mentioned somewhere.
AFAIK, mp3infp can't handle files with APEv2 tag other than *.ape.
the link above doesn't work:
http://cyberquebec.ca/harashin/cpl_english.zip (http://cyberquebec.ca/harashin/cpl_english.zip)
I re-downloaded your mp3infp bundle, but it doesn't seem to be updated to me.
the link above doesn't work:
http://cyberquebec.ca/harashin/cpl_english.zip (http://cyberquebec.ca/harashin/cpl_english.zip)
I re-downloaded your mp3infp bundle, but it doesn't seem to be updated to me.
Oh, excuse me.
Fixed. Both of them should be available now.
Tnx, for your work.
And for your responsive way.
EDIT: Now mpg123 plugin is usable for me in Winamp
I install in_mpg123.dll from the above link, but when I play an MP3 file no titles show. Also double clicking on the title scroller pops up the standard windows properties box.
What am I doing wrong?
H
what link?
make sure that you install the otachan in_mpg123 plugin. simply copy in_mpg123.dll into the winamp plugins subdirectory.
then malke sure that in_mp3 is disabled. simply remove the .mp3 extension drom its extension dialog.
Or just rename competitors to something like:
in_mp3.dll.OFF
in_mad.dll.OFF
in_mp3PRO.dll.OFF
Yes, Otachan's.. and I did one better and uninstalled the original mp3 plugin OK, the no title thing goes away if I remove ID3v2 tags (which is fine)
But, essentially, with an Apev2 tagged .mp3 file and mp3infp is useless as it allows only ID3v1 and ID3v2 editing and display. I guess ape users will need to give up editing from winamp, but I noticed dbpoweramp could be used to display the Ape tag info, at least.
H
the link above doesn't work:
http://cyberquebec.ca/harashin/cpl_english.zip (http://cyberquebec.ca/harashin/cpl_english.zip)
I re-downloaded your mp3infp bundle, but it doesn't seem to be updated to me.
Oh, excuse me.
Fixed. Both of them should be available now.
hi,harashin
i can't run the soft of mp3infp.cpl_english.exe.
pls Give me a link to download the soft of mp3infp.cpl.
...It wouldn't be possible to convince the author of mp3infp to make a full english version of his program...?? (You see how poplular it's becoming at HA.)
The source is available under the GPL, so you could try convincing someone to translate the source.
...It wouldn't be possible to convince the author of mp3infp to make a full english version of his program...?? (You see how poplular it's becoming at HA.)
Its author changed the base resouce into English since v2.43beta3.
You can choose a language(English, Japanese) while installing.
hi,harashin
i can't run the soft of mp3infp.cpl_english.exe.
pls Give me a link to download the soft of mp3infp.cpl.
Hello, Hyperion.
Sorry for later reply. I didn't check mp3 threads last few days. (It's an useless excuse, I know)
My patches need explorer.exe to be closed. I forgot to mention it in readme.
Anyway, as my above post, since the official one, it's still beta though, has an English language pack, I recommend using v2.43beta3 for English-language speakers here.
http://win32lab.com/fsw/mp3infp/ (http://win32lab.com/fsw/mp3infp/)
It's a fully implemented English language pack --- every word - except for the helpfile "Japanese.chm" is translated into English (And this proggy are so selfexplanatory that a big helpfile is hardly necessary) -- including the statusbarinfo on directories (very handy!).
...So all we greedy bastards could wish for now are ape2 tagging on mp3-files.....
--- Thank's for pointing in the right direction, harashin!
Anyway, as my above post, since the official one, it's still beta though, has an English language pack, I recommend using v2.43beta3 for English-language speakers here.
http://win32lab.com/fsw/mp3infp/ (http://win32lab.com/fsw/mp3infp/)
It's not beta anymore - official mp3infp Ver.2.43 (Japanese with English language pack) released:
mp3infp - Shell extension type tag editor -
Ver.2.43 for 98/Me/2000/XP
Copyright© 1998-2004 T-Matsuo (win32lab.com)
**** mp3infp is freeware ****
Overview
Tag reference / edit function is added to Explorer using
the shell extension function of Windows.
Support extension
mpeg1.0/2.0/2.5 Layer1`3 (.mp3/.mp2/.mp1/.rmp)
-> ID3v1/v1.1/v2.2(read only)/v2.3
-> RMP3 format RiffSIF (It is used in Japan)
TwinVQ (.vqf)
WAV (.wav)
AVI (.avi)
-> AVI 1.0 (Video for Window)
-> AVI 2.0 (OpenDML)
Windows Media (.wma/.wmv/.asf)
Winamp 2.xx,5.xx/Media Player playlist (.m3u)
Ogg Vorbis (.ogg)
Monkey's Audio (.ape)
---------------------------------
http://win32lab.com/ (http://win32lab.com/)
Firstly, the mpg123 dlls were updated Feb 6 at http://www3.cypress.ne.jp/otachan/in_mpg123.html (http://www3.cypress.ne.jp/otachan/in_mpg123.html)
Secondly, thanks to all who created this thread. Direct sound output (WA 5.01) hadn't worked at all in this notebook with the old Nullsoft MP3 dll. Though "gapless" still isn't quite seamless, playback is definitely improved and is more relaxing.
hi,harashin
i can't run the soft of mp3infp.cpl_english.exe.
pls Give me a link to download the soft of mp3infp.cpl.
Hello, Hyperion.
Sorry for later reply. I didn't check mp3 threads last few days. (It's an useless excuse, I know)
My patches need explorer.exe to be closed. I forgot to mention it in readme.
Anyway, as my above post, since the official one, it's still beta though, has an English language pack, I recommend using v2.43beta3 for English-language speakers here.
http://win32lab.com/fsw/mp3infp/ (http://win32lab.com/fsw/mp3infp/)
I recommend using v2.43beta3 for English-language speakers here.
THX,harashin!
Now using v2.43
And now updated to in_mpg123 Ver. 1.18y ot62 dll's:
http://www3.cypress.ne.jp/otachan/in_mpg123.html (http://www3.cypress.ne.jp/otachan/in_mpg123.html)
Hmm. There seem to be updates to advanced title formatting....
(because of the japanese on the site)
I wish that IDtagging would be included internally in the plugin. The solution with mp3infp will not allow you to tag the song that is currently being played.
Update: (2004/2/17)
Appears to be mostly a bug fix.
Here is a WorldLingo translation.
Ver. 1.18y ot63
Correcting the fact that it cannot decode the data which is encoded with RealOne Player normally
http://www3.cypress.ne.jp/otachan/in_mpg123.html (http://www3.cypress.ne.jp/otachan/in_mpg123.html)
The development appears to be quite active.
Thanks for this thread, I came here originally because I wanted to find our why iTunes sounded better than WinAmp 2.91 on my P3 600 PC.
What decoder does iTunes use? Why so much CPU usuage? Can it be tweaked?.
Turns out my WinAmp was defaulted to out_wave, changing to Direct Sound made the biggest difference and then MAD and 123 made some more - cheers.
I still like the interface and Mac OSX navigation style in iTunes - except that I can't right click files or folders and play them in iTunes and the latest version doesn't toggle easily to the compact player (which I think is very well designed).
I'd use iTunes exclusively but it hogs my CPU - even just clicking an iTunes menu causes stuttering in the playback.
So I'm running foobar, 1by1, WinAmp, iTunes and even Vallen JPegger, which is good for browsing MP3s by genre, album and artist (like iTunes) but doesn't have a compact player or right-click.
Apart from being annoying, is there any downside to having multiple players installed?
Finally(if anybody still has patience), I installed mp3infp which works well in Windows Explorer and has a nice tag editor but it trashed the mp3 icons from MP3ext_V3.4b23 - can I get the icons back or does mp3infp have icons?
I'm also curious... I'd like to see the answers to leif's questions.
Another problem is mine (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18530&view=findpost&p=254814)...