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foobar2000 mobile fundraiser

Reply #76
first and foremost: it is truly great that foobar2000 is coming to mobile platforms and that the developers will actually get paid for their work. you guys have earned it, and I wish you all the best.


May be coming. The kickstarter campaign appears to be getting off to a slow start. This needs to be marketed to more people than just HA fans who already run foobar, or it's going to fizzle out. Fast.

foobar2000 mobile fundraiser

Reply #77
first and foremost: it is truly great that foobar2000 is coming to mobile platforms and that the developers will actually get paid for their work. you guys have earned it, and I wish you all the best.


May be coming. The kickstarter campaign appears to be getting off to a slow start. This needs to be marketed to more people than just HA fans who already run foobar, or it's going to fizzle out. Fast.

That is why I have been submitting it to news sites. But the more we submit to, the better.

foobar2000 mobile fundraiser

Reply #78
I couldn't help but google Kickstarter success factors/predictors, so without any endorsement or understanding of such, my top takeaways from the search for funding success predictors:

1) Tweet heavily.  I don't get it, but understanding or agreement is not necessary for correlation (I do not have the data or patience to determine if the claimed correlation is valid).
2) Sidekick is blowing it in tracking the total pledged by only tracking what is pledged in pounds. They seem to have ignored the mobile.foobar2000.com pledges entirely.

Even with the significant shortcoming noted above, Sidekick is currently showing a 93% predicted success for the (nonstretch) funding goal.

foobar2000 mobile fundraiser

Reply #79
We have consolidated the Kickstarter into our own (the Kickstarter was going to be 2/3rds short of funding to meet the goal so was suspended), it is hoped that the revised goal on:

http://mobile.foobar2000.com/

Can be reached, it now includes Windows Phone. Those who pledged through kickstarter, if you wish to, pledge direct.

foobar2000 mobile fundraiser

Reply #80
Hello to all the ones who will participate to the foobar2000 mobile project!

I'm just writing this to explain to you WHY the project has low interest for everyone.

First of all, news feed of foobar2000 home page doesn't have RSS. So only few people know about your project.
Secondly, foobar2000 users are not the ones who want a big fat interface with stylish buttons. We just want a music player, that fast, that useful. A player that does everything we need for an everyday use.
When we want to play music on Android, iOS or Windows Phone, we just already have a player doing the job. We never have to convert or edit the tags of our music on our smartphones.

I personnally really liked to "Cloud foobar2000" part: if you could just release an HTML5/JavaScript music player (with music from local computer, Dropbox, Google Driver, etc...) that is fully functionnal (without gapless for the moment because the Web Audio API doesn't permit it), with a full converter, and tag editor, all in one, like foobar2000 on PC, it could be very interesting.
That way, everyone could access (mobile or not) the WebApp you'd have created. And then we would be able to make a Firefox Extension, a Chrome App (ChromeOS ?), an Android app, etc... Everything from your WebApp.

Now regarding Linux & Mac OSX users, if you don't want to make a WebApp, please at least consider these users more than Android and iOS ones...

Thanks for reading my post.

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Reply #81
We have consolidated the Kickstarter into our own (the Kickstarter was going to be 2/3rds short of funding to meet the goal so was suspended)


So now this is just a no-name fundraiser without a well known company providing guarantees for the pledges. Big mistake, if you ask me. You should have done the opposite, stayed with kickstarter.com and advertise THAT.

foobar2000 mobile fundraiser

Reply #82
So now this is just a no-name fundraiser without a well known company providing guarantees for the pledges. Big mistake, if you ask me. You should have done the opposite, stayed with kickstarter.com and advertise THAT.

I have to agree with skamp. Anybody from HA would pledge without doubts, but everybody else, might not be so sure.

For example, on a kickstarter project, if it does not reaches its goal, you don't get charged, but on mobile.foobar2000.org, I'm not so sure.

I don't care, and Peter and Team, you can keep my little money, but a lot of people wont like it.

It is also bad because if any of the submissions I did are accepted, the url (kickstarter), would be wrong.

This is not to frustrate you over this project, please keep trying, but is our point of view/experience.

foobar2000 mobile fundraiser

Reply #83
The pledge is now on the SHITTY KICKSTARTERS subreddit.

The thing seems to be confusing a lot of people, for example, the user that submited it thinks that the first screenshot is what it would look like.

http://www.reddit.com/r/shittykickstarters...p_200k_stretch/

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Reply #84
What happens when people pledge via PayPal (or credit card, which I assume also goes through PayPal)? Is the PayPal fee deducted immediately? What happens if you guys don't meet your goal and need to refund everyone? Will it cost you money because of that PayPal fee?

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Reply #85
What happens if you guys don't meet your goal and need to refund everyone?


I very well may be blind but I don't see anything about refunding on the mobile.foobar page.

That combined with spoon's line

We have consolidated the Kickstarter into our own (the Kickstarter was going to be 2/3rds short of funding to meet the goal so was suspended), it is hoped that the revised goal on:


implies to me that the team was worried they'd get zero from Kickstarter, but by holding the fundraiser themselves they could keep whatever does come in.  And perhaps my reading between the lines is off base, but why else leave whatever legitimacy and assurance that the Kickstarter brand brings? 

While I am fully willing to be told I'm wrong, I'm far from the only one who is reading it this way, and combined with the multi-shifting goal posts something smells bad, be it poor intent or poor planning. 
Creature of habit.

 

foobar2000 mobile fundraiser

Reply #86
I LOVE this project, and I LOVE to have it on my N5 and my wife's iPhone, but I agree there are too many things that are not clear.

And I'm not saying it because I care about 25 dollars, I'm saying it because I want it to succeed.

I believe that pledge page looks a little bit amateurish and needs to be improved, to include better descriptions.

I believe the funding has to be done on kickstarter or indiegogo. (In indiegogo a project can keep its money if not funded).

Read the reddit links i posted, and see what the complains are.

foobar2000 mobile fundraiser

Reply #87
I submited it to OSnews. Now, here are some comments on http://www.reddit.com/r/foobar2000/comment...le_kickstarter/

kwanbis,

the last poster in this thread expresses his disappointment because of the removal of Windows Phone as a goal.

Since WP now has been re-added to the campaign which itself has changed a lot - would you mind updating this guy a litte bit? (I am not a member on reddit.com).
This is HA. Not the Jerry Springer Show.

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Reply #88
it now includes Windows Phone.

I appreciate that decision. Though Windows Phone is still behind Android and iOS, it makes up ground:

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Making a comeback

If Android and Apple can claim to be the big players of 2013, Windows Phone wins the title of top-performer. It wasn't a promising start for Windows Phone when launched in October 2010 as solid reviews failed to translate into meaningful sales. A lack of apps and consumer wariness of a new platform were blamed and many claimed that the experiment had failed.

Three years later and Windows is the fastest growing OS in the world. It has overtaken Apple in Italy, is a close second in Germany and has snatched back third place in Britain.

Source: Mobile Trends that Matter Tomorrow (1,5 MB pdf)
This is HA. Not the Jerry Springer Show.

foobar2000 mobile fundraiser

Reply #89
it now includes Windows Phone.

At the moment Microsoft's app store can't compete with the iOS/Android counterparts.

But that's why I think that both consumers and Microsoft are particularly interested in new applications, especially if these are 'high-quality' apps (you know what I mean) instead of being the thousandth variation of a poorly programmed crap app. Since users have a less wide range of products they can choose from, a foobar2000 mobile could hold easier the spotlight in the WP app store as in the iOS one or Android store.

Microsoft to host new Publish Windows developer days with awesome prizes
This is HA. Not the Jerry Springer Show.

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Reply #90
An interesting Smartphone OS market share analysis - not only for Alien Cat decision-makers or Alien Cat (mobile) lovers.
This is HA. Not the Jerry Springer Show.

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Reply #91
An interesting Smartphone OS market share analysis - not only for Alien Cat decision-makers or Alien Cat (mobile) lovers.


Raw marketshare tells very little about the viability of any given app.  One must consider the demographic match between the phone's and the app's userbases and especially the purchasing habits thereof.
Creature of habit.

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Reply #92
What happens when people pledge via PayPal (or credit card, which I assume also goes through PayPal)? Is the PayPal fee deducted immediately? What happens if you guys don't meet your goal and need to refund everyone? Will it cost you money because of that PayPal fee?


Paypal and the credit card processor give us 60 days to refund, there is no cost to a refund.


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Reply #94
An interesting Smartphone OS market share analysis - not only for Alien Cat decision-makers or Alien Cat (mobile) lovers.

Raw marketshare tells very little about the viability of any given app.  One must consider the demographic match between the phone's and the app's userbases and especially the purchasing habits thereof.

I had to read that "demographic match between the phone's and the app's userbases" part twice until I understood. 

Yes, this market share analysis does nothing more than to state which OS market shares can be found in which country.

This "One must consider ... the purchasing habits": I think this would be the most professional approach. But on the one hand I never have noticed any publication of such consumer studies and on the other hand even a study of such market conditions would not guarantee success. Program a simple game, use an 8-bit-like graphic and try to avoid that a bird crashes against obstacles. Call that game 'Flappy Bird' and be astonished by your success..
This is HA. Not the Jerry Springer Show.

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Reply #95
that was the firsdt time i ever pledged so i have some questions:

1. If the project is canceled does that mean that also my pbacking is cancelled? I don't have to do that on my own?

2. Or is the backing taken over to here?

3. Should i back again here?

Sorry for probably stupid questions but i don't understand your comment, spoon, on skamps question

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Reply #96
Paypal and the credit card processor give us 60 days to refund, there is no cost to a refund.


I'm very glad to hear that, despite moving off of Kickstarter, a Kickstarter-style funding system is planned.  I believe it would be in your best interest to explicitly clarify that on the funding page as soon as possible.  No second chances at a first impression and all that.
Creature of habit.



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Reply #99
I'm thrilled that windows phone is back as a goal! I will definitely pledge money now.



skamp and kwanbis have brought up a good point. to that end, I think it would be worthwhile for the dev team to mull over this post from reddit:
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Let's pick this apart from someone who as never heard of foobar!
  • Fundraising outside of a well known platform? That's a red flag right there for any consumers not already knowledgeble of the product.
  • The video thumbnail doesn't really tell me anything. I'll watch it later.
  • Tag line: "revolutionized PC audio players." So is this like WAMP? Do people even know what WAMP is anymore?
  • Foobar200 Team? But I don't even know what the product is!
  • OH! The "Team" section is actually their About section
  • "and is the most used audio player outside of iTunes." Oh, so it's like iTunes. I already use iTunes, why should I switch?
  • The rest just reads like the developers wrote about their product to themselves or people who already use Foobar. I still don't know why I should care as someone who as never used Foobar. I already have iTunes on my Mac, Windows, and iOS devices. Does this include cloud streaming functionality? What exactly do the iOS and Android versions do?
  • We FINALLY get to the interesting part: Cloud foobar2000. This page was definitely written by a developer. A marketing team would have put this at the top.