I'm a total newbie on this forum, this is my first post, so I don't know if I'm posting this in the right section. If not, please move it, and accept my apologies .
I'm having trouble with the following: When I rip a officially purchased, new & clean Audio CD to MP3, I always have pops and clicks during the songs. Approx. 10-15 per CD, which is approx. 1-2 per song. This sounds like only a few, but it's still irritating to me.
I have tried the following programs to rip the CD:
- CDex
- iTunes 6
- Windows Media Player 10
- CD-DA Extractor 8.2
- Winamp 5
- EAC (with a special guide, to configure it, using Lame 3.96)
My computer is quite new, Pentium IV 3 Ghz, 1 GB of RAM-memory, a cd/dvd-romplayer and a cd/dvd-burner:
Player: ASUS DVD-E616P2
Burner: BENQ DVD DD DW1620
I tried both the burner and the player to rip a CD, but it still doesn't work. I also upgraded the firmware for the player, to the newest version, still no result.
Can you tell me what else I can do, to fix this? Every suggestion is much appreciated.
Thank you!
Regards from a newbie from the Netherlands,
Koen
Do the discs in question have the "compact disc digital audio" logo printed on their jewelcase covers? If not, have you tried with old discs that do have the logo?
edit: By jewelcase cover I mean the bits of paper that are underneath the plastic.
Yes, most of the discs have that logo, printed on the disc itself, actually. Some of them don't have that (especially older cds). I tried ripping with kind of discs, but it's not working out.
1) could be a newer, copy protected disc, or
2) could be a newer disc that has been mastered to include clipping (see also "clipression").
I checked the discs for copy-protectedlogos, but I didn't find them. I will look into this whole clipression thing. Is there anyway to fix either of these problems?
I checked the discs for copy-protectedlogos, but I didn't find them. I will look into this whole clipression thing. Is there anyway to fix either of these problems?
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Hi,
how about trying to rip/burn the discs on another computer?
Regards,
Crzmn
Try this....
Download WNASPI32.DLL here:
http://ww2.nero.com/nero6/enu/WNASPI32.DLL.html (http://ww2.nero.com/nero6/enu/WNASPI32.DLL.html)
Put it in the same folder as EAC.EXE.
In EAC, hit F9 (EAC Options). Go to the Interface tab, and click the "Installed External Aspi Interface" option. Click OK, exit EAC, and restart it. Good luck!
Also, give LAME 3.97b1 a try. It is now HA's recommended version.
http://www.rarewares.org/mp3.html (http://www.rarewares.org/mp3.html)
I did what odious malefactor suggested, but it's not working. I ripped 2 cds, one from 2002, A New Day At Midnight by David Gray, and one released in 1995, Oasis' Morning Glory (though I bought it only 2 weeks ago).
The DG cd seems fine (not listened to all the tracks), but the Oasis MP3's still have pops, on the left and right channel, seperately, and some very loud ones as well.
I converted one mp3 back to wav, and found out that the volume-levels are very high. So I ripped that very same track directly from the CD to WAV, which gave me the same levels. I attached a screenshot, so you can see what I mean (click to enlarge):
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Can that have something to do with it? I really don't know. I hope you guys do =).
EDIT: The David Gray is *not* ripped ok, so it's still not working at all.
What happens if you listen to the songs at a lower level? Try opening your mixer and adjusting the master volume and the PCM volume.
If it's at 100%, please try lowering it to about 50%. If that sounds good, try raising it to about 70%.
Morning Glory is a notoriously clippressed cd.
Morning Glory is a notoriously clippressed cd.
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Really? So the quality of the rips vary from disc to disc? There's nothing I can do about clippressing, right?
What should have been the first question asked:
When you listen to the original CD on a standalone player, are the pops there?
What should have been the first question asked:
When you listen to the original CD on a standalone player, are the pops there?
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No the CDs sound fine then.
I installed MP3Gain, to check for clipping and all the songs on Morning Glory are marked as 'clipping'. I read the helpfile for MP3Gain and saw that clipping means that the volume is to loud, during some parts of the song. I already noticed very high levels when I opened one track with Cool Edit Pro.
So, can I setup EAC to automaticly set the right levels for volume? IF that can be a solution to my problem, of course...
Rip with EAC and LAME. Then use mp3gain to (at bare minimum) remove the clipping for the tracks.
What would you suggest as a bare minimum? By default it's set on 89dB, I think.
What should have been the first question asked:
When you listen to the original CD on a standalone player, are the pops there?
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No the CDs sound fine then.
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Let's try to isolate the differences.
If you rip the tracks to .wav files and listen to those, are the pops still there?
What would you suggest as a bare minimum? By default it's set on 89dB, I think.
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89 should be low enough to eliminate clipping. I doubt you'd want to go lower. As for making it higher, I wouldn't recommend it. Most other tools are fixed to target 89 dB.
Try this. I hope it won't be too complicated for you.
I see that you have Cool Edit Pro (Adobe Audition) there. Extract all the cds as .wav, load those tracks in Cool Edit Pro, go to Noise Reduction and there you have "Clip restoration". If you write there -2 then Cool Pro will the track with 2 db.
For a much easier clipping restoration, you could use Audiograbber. You have normalize button, "AVERAGE normalizing" and go:) Set Audiograbber as you like. I can give you some ideeas too if you are interesed.
...I can give you some ideeas too if you are interesed.
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Yes tell me!
I dld and installed AudioGrabber, I'll see what result it will give me.
hy koenimex
sorry for the late answer. i was a little busy.
see if this help:
audiograbber/normalize (push the button)
there you'll have a button called "advanced"
click there and you have a bigger window.
now, on the left upper corner you have "peak" and "average" (avrg)
check average and set it to 80%
lower you have " don't compress songs with compact ratio bigger then" (or something like this) check this box too, and set it to 80%
click add and add your tracks. you have also 3 buttons there: modify, test, preview. and a little box you should check so you still have the original .wav in case the result it's not good: "to new file" then push the "modify" button. if you have the option"to new file" enabled, audiograbber will make you a new file called like the original file, and -1. for example: jessica jay - cassablanca-1 (if the original file is called "jessica jay - cassablanca")
hope this will help. let me know the result.
maybe you could get some better results with Cool Edit Pro (Adobe Audition) and the "clip restoration" option. no, I'M SURE that you could get some better results, but with some extra work.
sorry for my "english"
I tried both the burner and the player to rip a CD, but it still doesn't work. I also upgraded the firmware for the player, to the newest version, still no result.
Can you tell me what else I can do, to fix this? Every suggestion is much appreciated.
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Have you tried playing the MP3s on another computer or a MP3 player? If the files play OK then maybe it's your soundcard.
[...] you DON'T want to do it during ripping.
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I agree with dreamliner77. Normalization is not the best way to do it. It's bothersome, and you'll no longer be getting pristine rips.
you're right kjoonlee, but this is the only solution. i think. as we have all agreed here, this cd is a clippressed cd. so it's not the soundcard, or anything. is the track. there are clipped samples. he can try to lower the volume. i know that the resulted track won't be identical with the ones extracted from the cd, but is better this way i think. or he can keep the clipped wavs and never listen to them.
you're right kjoonlee, but this is the only solution. i think. as we have all agreed here, this cd is a clippressed cd. so it's not the soundcard, or anything. is the track.
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Not true.
What should have been the first question asked:
When you listen to the original CD on a standalone player, are the pops there?
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No the CDs sound fine then.
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we are talking about a clippressed cd. do you know what this is? the cd sound ok when you are listening on a stand alone cdplayer or on your cdrom. but when you extract the tracks to your pc the sound is lowder. so, the cd is ok, but when extracting...there is the problem.
you said "Not true." that means YOU HAVE ANOTHER SOLUTION. please let me know what this solution is. as long you are saying that is not true that this is the only solution.
That's not what clipression is. When you rip CD-DA, the volume remains identical. (Unless there's preamp voodoo going on on the CD.)
Alternative solutions would be: trying to see if it's something wrong with the playback chain and/or using Replaygain.
ok, than why the cd sound ok on his cd player and wrong on his pc.
maybe our friend could do this. i saw that he have cool edit pro there. load one clipped track. go on the menu, select analize, and from there select "statistics". make a print screen and send the resulted image to us. then we will see if there are clipped samples.
Um, mixer volume set too high, perhaps?
BTW, here's an excellent post on clipping.
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....ndpost&p=336038 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=38063&view=findpost&p=336038)
Hm... yeah, but my 'illusion' was to have exact the same files as on the CD, only not that big. Yes, I understand MP3 is lossy, but with 'exact' I mean the same length, the same volume, etc.
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You mix up "how the waveform looks" and "how it sounds like". Lossy means that it tries to sound the same, not look the same. Obviously, in this case the "look" also causes it to sound different. At this point, a clarification may be in order: the waveform does NOT clip during the encoding process.... an mp3 can store higher volume without "clipping" than the source material..... so, the signal will just go *above* 0db..... but when it is DECODED(playback) then the 0db limit kicks in and it clips. Thus, the audiodata in the mp3 itself is not damaged and does not clip...... it only clips when its decoded at 100% gain. Blame the record labels for producing overly loud CDs which ride the limit so constantly that you can do almost no lossy manipulation without going above 0db.
As others mentioned already, the solution is to use mp3gain or replaygain.
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why don't you burn some of the poping sounding mp3's to a audio cd and see if they make the same noise on you standalone cd player.
if there is no pop's heard on the cd player then the problem is at your pc's playback
this guy has a P4 3 ghz. i don't think it's form the pc. but i might be wrong.
you can do what A_Man_Eating_Duck said. and see what's happening
Wow, such a long thread for a faulty/incompatible drive. Ah well....
Wow, such a long thread for a faulty/incompatible drive. Ah well....
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Got any facts to back that up?
edit: He's got *two* drives. Are you saying that both are faulty/incompatible? How? Why?
it might be soundcard driver/pc issues,
or bad rip ?
or copy protected CD ?
To exclude bad rip, copy following http://www.High-Quality.ch.vu (http://www.High-Quality.ch.vu) with EAC, your drive correctly configured, try a test & copy extraction, no c2, secure of course. For safety, check green marker "drive cashes audio" in drive settings.
If then you get matching crcs in eac logs, and no errors, then your drive and rip method should be fine, and you really need to search for other reasons.
If you rip the tracks to .wav files and listen to those, are the pops still there?
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why don't you burn some of the poping sounding mp3's to a audio cd and see if they make the same noise on you standalone cd player.
if there is no pop's heard on the cd player then the problem is at your pc's playback
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koenimex, you've been offered this advice twice now. Please check if there's something wrong with your playback chain. If you've already checked, please tell us how it went.
Is a DMA or PIO mode used by your IDE controller?
In my case in PIO i can't get accurate rip
Now this is weird. Someone posted that I should listen to the MP3s on another computer, so I took a listen at my desktop (where I rip them) first. I heard a click at some point, so I listened to that same spot on my laptop (w/ my headphones on) and the click WAS GONE! So I listened to it on my desktop again, and it appears that the click sometimes disappear when I listen through my desktop-pc.
I didn't rip Morning Glory this time, but Stop All The World Now, by Howie Day
Does this mean that this is probably an issue with my soundcard (and that I wasted your time, by searching in the wrong direction, e.g. the encoding instead playing the audio-files)? At least you guys learned something about my taste of music =).
look for updated drivers, for both soundcard and chipset.
that may fix your problem
Try adjusting volume in your playback chain (player output, wave and master in windows mixer, amp, etc.)
what soundacrd do you have? the mb integrated one?
yea this really sounds like it is your soundcard, your speakers, or even the wires connecting the two. if you want a real oldskool fix try jiggling the wires see what happens.
i have ripped morning glory and it sounds fine.
oasis rule.
yea this really sounds like it is your soundcard, your speakers, or even the wires connecting the two. if you want a real oldskool fix try jiggling the wires see what happens.
i have ripped morning glory and it sounds fine.
oasis rule.
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I did a check via My Computer > Hardware and it shows me that I have soundcard called SoundMAX Integrated Digital Audio. I don't know much about soundcards, but I'll look into replacing the drivers.
I connected my soundcard to my stereoset, using standard anolog wiring. It used to work fine on my old computer.
One question raised during the ripping: As you people have seen, the rip I made from Oasis' Hello (from Morning Glory) shows very high volume levels. I tried every setting in the Windows Volume Mixer to adjust the volume, but I can't get it done. Can anyone help?
Thanks, as I do appreciate ALL the help I get here! You guys rock .
Do you mean you connected your computer to a stereo? A hi-fi?
If yes, on the computer's side, did you plug the wires into a hole that says line-out or did you plug them into a hole that says stereo?
Yes, a Hi-fi set.
I have 3 holes in my soundcard, One's for my mic (it's pink), one's for my line-out/regular PC speakers (green), and one's for my line-in (blue), where my TV-card is plugged into. I have my speakers connected via the green hole, for regular PC speakers. The pink one is not used.
I checked on Asus website (this soundcard is a on-boardsoundcard). It seems I have the latest drivers installed, unless I upgrade to a Sound Blaster Live! suite, which costs me $19,99.
you can try this.
take one .wav with problems, compress with mp4 or ogg @ low bitrate, so the resulted file won't be very big, and upload the resulted file here.
we'll see if it's from your pc or not.
I had a "SoundMAX Integrated Digital Audio" on my Asus MB too. No problems for me. Just that the soundcard sound really really bad.
Don't you have to keep the volume rather low on the computer then?
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I checked on Asus website (this soundcard is a on-boardsoundcard). It seems I have the latest drivers installed, unless I upgrade to a Sound Blaster Live! suite, which costs me $19,99.
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Is it a P5P800 with SoundMAX Integrated Digital Audio? I have it, I use it connected to my HI-FI and I have no problem with that. If I may help somehow, let me know...
Sergio
Edit:
1) I don't have/use the Soundblaster "upgrade"
2) I keep volume at max on the PC
One question raised during the ripping: As you people have seen, the rip I made from Oasis' Hello (from Morning Glory) shows very high volume levels. I tried every setting in the Windows Volume Mixer to adjust the volume, but I can't get it done. Can anyone help?
Thanks, as I do appreciate ALL the help I get here! You guys rock :).
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How are you doing your ripping? Are you using DAE (Digital Audio Extraction) or are you recording the analog feed from your CD-ROM into a WAV file? Or to put it another way, when you rip, do you listen to the whole CD straight through or does it go faster than playing it would?
I don't know what I can do about changing something to my soundcard, since I have the latest drivers.
Tahnru: I rip my files using DAE, it goes pretty fast, usually, at least it goes faster then the CD plays.
Like I said before, the clicks appear on different spots, when I play the files, so it looks like they're not caused by ripping (I think). But I'm still looking for a solution to lower the volume when I rip the files. I had a look at RHCP's Give It Away with Cool Edit Pro, and it was almost completely green, if you now what I mean.
I will look into converting a file to ogg or something. I will put it up at megaupload.com or something. Though I doubt it'd make sense, since the clicks and pops don't appear everytime I listen to a song.
We'll keep on searching for a solution .
Koenimix, howdy! I've been thinking and have some stuff you might like to try. First off, if you are using DAE and are not normalizing (that is, adjusting the volume levels of the track during extraction) then you should be getting a more-or-less perfect copy of the track on the CD. To give yourself a higher degree of assurance about the quality of your rip, you might check into EAC with the Accuraterip plugin. I use it myself and am happy with the results.
http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ (http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/)
http://www.accuraterip.com/ (http://www.accuraterip.com/)
With a perfectly ripped track in hand, my method for dealing with extra-loud tracks has been the same as many around here have suggested: I use Replaygain. Specifically, all of my files are compressed using .FLAC and I use Foobar2000 to Replaygain them. It doesn't reduce the possible annoyance of a track with little dynamic range ( where are the soft and loud spots, this just sounds like noisy stew! ) but it does keep the track in the same relative volume range as the rest of your music. And, replaygain can be applied through Foobar if you decide to transcode to something like MP3 later, so that the resulting file has already been adjusted.
As for your crackling issues, I've had many of those myself. On a laptop, the speakers would crackle whenever I moved the mouse. On an old desktop I had built, the motherboard's chipset had a known defect that made horrible intereference (VIA MVP3, bad for sound and video both), especially whenever the hard drive was accessed. I would recommend trying Accuraterip: if you get a report from Accuraterip after ripping a CD that tells you that all tracks were ripped OK, you can reasonably eliminate your CD drives from the list of things to inspect.
compress a song and upload here!!!
the ultimate solution. it's this so hard?
Tahnru: I've experimented with AccurateRip, and some tracks are ripped accurate and some not. For example: tracks from David Gray's new album, Life In Slow Motion, are all *not* accurate. I ripped several tracks from Morning Glory and Howie Day's Stop All The World Now and these are all accurate.
EDIT: Saw rule number 9, I will create 30-sec clips .
I hope this is ok .
yulyo!: Here are 2 files I ripped. This is how I save them on my HD.
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I don't want to seem too anal, but doesn't this violate TOS #9?
yulyo!: Here are 2 files I ripped. This is how I save them on my HD.
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I don't want to seem too anal, but doesn't this violate TOS #9?
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Think your right, I will create 30-sec. clips
EDIT: Yesterday my computer crashed suddenly. It looks like it's the motherboard that stopped working. I will get this fixed, but it might take a week or so. I will be back at this topic when everything's up and running again. Thanks for all the help you already handed! It's much appreciated.