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Windows / CPU discussion [split from topic 127082]

So far as I can see, OS upgrades are mostly about using more CPU clock cycles to make things look visually more impressive / fashionable on screen, which runs slow enough on older systems there is an irritation to upgrade your hardware.

That's why I'm still on Win7

Windows 7 and it's predecessor Windows Vista are some of the most eye candy heavy operating systems out there and Vista's requirements at the time drew some criticisms of it's own and Windows 7 is basically just Vista for the most part.  Even XP was heavy on it's the eye candy although you could shut it off have it look more like Win9X/2000.

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That's why I'm still on Win7

Windows 7 and it's predecessor Windows Vista are some of the most eye candy heavy operating systems out there and Vista's requirements at the time drew some criticisms of it's own and Windows 7 is basically just Vista for the most part.  Even XP was heavy on it's the eye candy although you could shut it off have it look more like Win9X/2000.

Classic theme is supported on Windows 7 too (I'm not sure about Vista but it should support too). But I feel like Win7 is much faster than Win10 (probably also Win11 too) despite it's lovely look (some people I talked to supported this impression too).

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Classic theme is supported on Windows 7 too. I'm not sure about Vista but it should support too. But I feel like Win7 is much faster than Win10 (probably also Win11 too) despite it's lovely look.

As someone who has been using Windows 10 since it came out.  On older hardware, it could be slower but not by much.  At launch it didn't really run any slower than Windows 7 did and in some cases actually ran faster.  It depended on how old your system was and if the system was a cheap lower end tier or higher end tier for the most part.  If your system could run Windows 7 or Windows 8 it could possibly run Windows 10 just fine.  Windows 11 officially drops support for older CPUs (older than Intel 8th Gen) and puts in place stricter hardware security requirements (TPM 2,0), along with some user interface changes.

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On older hardware, it could be slower but not by much.

My experiences and experiences of some other people that I've talked to says the opposite (it runs a lot slower in some systems).

Windows 11 officially drops support for older CPUs (older than Intel 8th Gen) and puts in place stricter hardware security requirements (TPM 2,0), along with some user interface changes.

This is just one of the reasons that I will never use Win11 (I'm currently using Win10 on this computer because I could not install Win7 on this computer, and I will install Win7 (preferably) or Win8.1 to this computer in the future if I'll be able to do so).

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This is just one of the reasons that I will never use Win11 (I'm currently using Win10 on this computer because I could not install Win7 on this computer, and I will install Win7 (preferably) or Win8.1 to this computer in the future if I'll be able to do so).

I'm upgrading my hardware in the coming year and upgrading to Windows 11.

Neither Windows 7 or Windows 8 is officially supported on Intel 7th Gen or newer CPUs .  And CPUs older than Intel 8th Gen has serious hardware security vulnerabilities (Spectre and Meltdown).  The mitigations to work around that can really slow down your computer depending on how old your CPU is.  Newer CPUs are not affected by this.

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This is just one of the reasons that I will never use Win11 (I'm currently using Win10 on this computer because I could not install Win7 on this computer, and I will install Win7 (preferably) or Win8.1 to this computer in the future if I'll be able to do so).

I'm upgrading my hardware in the coming year and upgrading to Windows 11.

Neither Windows 7 or Windows 8 is officially supported on Intel 7th Gen or newer CPUs .  And CPUs older than Intel 8th Gen has serious hardware security vulnerabilities (Spectre and Meltdown).  The mitigations to work around that can really slow down your computer depending on how old your CPU is.  Newer CPUs are not affected by this.

I use AMD.

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I use AMD.

I used an AMD processor on my old pre-built ASUS machine that came with Windows 7 Home Premium x64 that I later upgraded to Windows 7 Ultimate x64 then finally to Windows 10 Pro x64.

On the current system I'm using that I put together myself, I'm using an Intel 7th Gen Processor (7500).  This runs Windows 10 Pro x64;

The system I be building will have an AMD 9700X processor and run Windows 11 Pro x64.

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I use AMD.

I used an AMD processor on my old pre-built ASUS machine that came with Windows 7 Home Premium x64 that I later upgraded to Windows 7 Ultimate x64 then finally to Windows 10 Pro x64.

On the current system I'm using that I put together myself, I'm using an Intel 7th Gen Processor (7500).  This runs Windows 10 Pro x64;

The system I be building will have an AMD 9700X processor and run Windows 11 Pro x64.

I wanted to say that you said that Win7 and Win8 are not supported on newer Intel processors but you didn't say anything about AMD.

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I wanted to say that you said that Win7 and Win8 are not supported on newer Intel processors but you didn't say anything about AMD.

Computers using AMD Bristol Ridge, or AMD Ryzen processors are not officially supported in Windows 7 and will be blocked in Windows Update. Both use the AM4 socket.  Drivers are also not available for AMD Ryzen processors.  The current generation AMD processors use the AM5 socket.


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I couldn't understand, what do you mean by that?
Microsoft will block your computer from getting updates for using an unsupported processor.  Probably not a big deal now-a-days because Windows 7 is no longer supported and no longer gets updates but it means exactly what it says.  No updates on Windows 7 if you use an unsupported processor is what it meant back in the day.  Update your operating system now is what they're saying.

I didn't know that CPU's require drivers too, thanks for letting me know.
What it means is some of the features the processor uses won't be supported, any bugs or corks involving the processor won't be patched or fixed.  You're screwed if you start having problems.  Use at your own risk.  A processor that's too new for an obsolete operating system will certainly have issues and vice versa.

You're free to use any flavor Linux you like and simply use visual machines with Windows 7 installed in it to work around these limitations but it will run slower and be less than ideal.  There also isn't any emulators at the moment that accurately do anything newer than an Intel Pentium 2 processor (which is super old - more than 25 years old) that I'm aware of.

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Microsoft will block your computer from getting updates for using an unsupported processor.  Probably not a big deal now-a-days because Windows 7 is no longer supported and no longer gets updates but it means exactly what it says.  No updates on Windows 7 if you use an unsupported processor is what it meant back in the day.  Update your operating system now is what they're saying.


What it means is some of the features the processor uses won't be supported, any bugs or corks involving the processor won't be patched or fixed.  You're screwed if you start having problems.  Use at your own risk.  A processor that's too new for an obsolete operating system will certainly have issues and vice versa.

You're free to use any flavor Linux you like and simply use visual machines with Windows 7 installed in it to work around these limitations but it will run slower and be less than ideal.  There also isn't any emulators at the moment that accurately do anything newer than an Intel Pentium 2 processor (which is super old - more than 25 years old) that I'm aware of.

Can these features being not supported bring important problems? What are these bugs or corks?

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Can these features being not supported bring important problems? What are these bugs or corks?

The biggest ones are stability and severe bugs can result in all sorts of random and unpredictable problems.  For example more frequent crashes or an operating system that can't boot or install.  It's also risky with your data if some random bug from using unsupported hardware causes file corruption from a misbehaving component in the operating system itself.  You're basically changing the operating environment from what the operating system was designed and maintained for.  All hardware has it's quirks and it's bugs and if an operating system isn't designed with those in mind it can be very problematic.  While the Windows NT family of operating systems have a hardware abstraction layer that make it less susceptible to the random quirks it isn't completely immune to hardware issues.  Usually hardware that isn't too old or too new from what was officially supported won't cause too many problems, it's still a risk and you can be sure if you deviate further that they're can be even more problems.

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I never really thought of Windows having a lot of eye candy.  Actually, I always thought of it way behind Linux and OSX when it comes to that stuff.  Didn't someone basic like transparent title bars and menus get introduced in Vista?

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I leave all that sort of thing turned off!
It's your privilege to disagree, but that doesn't make you right and me wrong.

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I use the Aero effect when I use Win7 because I love it and I don't feel even a little bit of increase in performance when I turn it off. I think it's weird that newer versions of Windows are much slower than Win7 despite having these lovely aero and other visual effects removed.

 

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I use the Aero effect when I use Win7 because I love it and I don't feel even a little bit of increase in performance when I turn it off. I think it's weird that newer versions of Windows are much slower than Win7 despite having these lovely aero and other visual effects removed.

Usually newer operating systems take advantage of newer hardware.  Windows 7 will be really slow on computer hardware that's too old for it.  You could install Windows 7 on some really old computers from the late 1990's / early 2000's and your experience will be pretty bad (very slow) assuming you could get everything to install and boot and you certainly have no Aero glass at all if your hardware lacks the required features for it to work.  In that case you be better off installing Windows 9X/2000/XP if your hardware is that old.  99% of applications designed for Windows 7 run on Windows 10/11 without issues at the present.

On the Aero thing: For XP I always set it up to have the start menu behave more like Windows 98 (a feature removed in Windows 7) and use the classic interface look (wasn't a fan of the Luna interface and it's default toy box look).  For Windows 7, I just used the Areo glass interface because at the point I was forced to use the modern start menu and everything had the ribbon design anyway.