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Reply #2625 –
how strange.... but it seems that itunes was the problem. i must not have it startet before i submit the stats. Good to know. Other question does foo_dop work when i uninstall itunes? i needed to install it for the drivers or the libs (i guess so). does windows keep those needed files after uninstallation?

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Reply #2626 –
I have an iPhone and have a problem using foobar2000 to manage my music and iTunes to NOT manage my music.

Basically I don't use iTunes much - Mostly for app updates on my phone, ringtones etc. Last time I synced iPhone with iTunes, all of my ringtones and foobar2000 music on it got lost, but still appear as 12GB "Other" stuff on my phone. Any way to get rid of this so I can do a new sync of my music?
Can't wait for a HD-AAC encoder :P

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Reply #2627 –
Quote from: Kujta on
how strange.... but it seems that itunes was the problem. i must not have it startet before i submit the stats. Good to know. Other question does foo_dop work when i uninstall itunes? i needed to install it for the drivers or the libs (i guess so). does windows keep those needed files after uninstallation?
Just disable the option to have iTunes to startup when you connect the device and you should be fine.

For the nano 5g, you need the driver installed - it comes with Apple Mobile Device Support. A copy of the driver should be in %commonprogramfiles%\Apple\Mobile Device Support\Drivers, so either keep AMDS installed or make a backup of the driver. I don't know if uninstalling AMDS removes the driver from the Windows driver store.

Quote from: odyssey on
I have an iPhone and have a problem using foobar2000 to manage my music and iTunes to NOT manage my music.

Basically I don't use iTunes much - Mostly for app updates on my phone, ringtones etc. Last time I synced iPhone with iTunes, all of my ringtones and foobar2000 music on it got lost, but still appear as 12GB "Other" stuff on my phone. Any way to get rid of this so I can do a new sync of my music?
That shouldn't really happen.. If it happens again please post back.

Anyway, "Recover Orphaned Files" should get them back. You will probably just want to remove whatever it recovers, because the link to the dopdb will be lost.
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Reply #2628 –
Quote from: musicmusic on
Anyway, "Recover Orphaned Files" should get them back. You will probably just want to remove whatever it recovers, because the link to the dopdb will be lost.

Umm, where do I find such option? 
Can't wait for a HD-AAC encoder :P

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Reply #2631 –
This following error appears to the console.

iPod manager: Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: is_itunes_u

I am using an iPod Touch 3g with fw 3.1.2 and foo dop 0.6.6.4

Also in some of my albums, it doesn't transfer the artwork that I have as folder.jpg.

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Reply #2632 –
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Also in some of my albums, it doesn't transfer the artwork that I have as folder.jpg.


It looks like the foo dop is not able to read .jpeg. I renamed the artworks to .jpg and they have been transferred to the ipod.

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Reply #2633 –
The component's own reader should load images with a jpeg file extension.

Post a screenshot of your "iPod features" prefs page.
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Reply #2634 –
I see what you mean...

I correct it.

What about the "Warning - SQL post process command failed: duplicate column name: is_itunes_u" ?

BTW everything looks ok on the iPod Touch.

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Reply #2635 –
It doesn't matter, everyone has it. It may go away with the next iPod touch software update.
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Reply #2636 –
Is there any method to rename or reorder the smart playlists created by manage contents command?

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Reply #2637 –
Hello,

recently I just picked up a Nano5g and I have the pleasure again after 3 years of using foo_fop (it was a nano2G back then), The plugin is very impressive and straight forward to use. Thanks musicmusic!

After looking a little bit around here there are still some questions open.

When using "Synchronise" I discovered that everytime within foobar a file is modified foo_dop deletes and uploads those particular files again. This is particularly lasting if the file needs to be converted e.g. I updated the song lyrics (using foo_lyricsdb component) and after a an "update metadata" also the nano recognizes them. However, synchronising again the Nano will delete an upload the files that have been changed. Is this behaviour intended? Would it not be possible to exclude such files and simply to synchronize metadata?

Secondly, I saw that quite some people here were asking for podcast support - especially since there is now foo_podcatcher - but the answer was always no for support  Is this still the case?

And lastly, I saw that there is no direct mapping for Lyrics. I just thought that as this tag is been directly read it could be maped on the device itself by a masstagger script. However the abovementioned "synchronise issue" would render those changes useless. How about adding an option to execute such a comand after synchronising?

Thanks again and cheers.

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Reply #2638 –
Quote from: metalboy on
Is there any method to rename or reorder the smart playlists created by manage contents command?
Sorry, not at the moment  You can use iTunes for most of this though. (Sorting is usually alphabetical though, but you might have meant moving between folders etc.)

Quote from: Chris Norman on
Hello,

recently I just picked up a Nano5g and I have the pleasure again after 3 years of using foo_fop (it was a nano2G back then), The plugin is very impressive and straight forward to use. Thanks musicmusic!

After looking a little bit around here there are still some questions open.[...]
Welcome

1. Yes, because the files are different. Why don't you tag the source files instead? Or if you are tagging the source file, then you're assuming the audio data hasn't changed.

2. Still no support, correct. It is something I'd like to change on some level, I haven't looked at foo_podcatcher though so I don't know how it will fit in.

3. Well, the lyrics should be stored in the place specified by the relevant tag format specification - so remapping shouldn't be on this side, and it would be retagging rather anyway.
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Reply #2639 –
Quote from: odyssey on
I have an iPhone and have a problem using foobar2000 to manage my music and iTunes to NOT manage my music.

Basically I don't use iTunes much - Mostly for app updates on my phone, ringtones etc. Last time I synced iPhone with iTunes, all of my ringtones and foobar2000 music on it got lost, but still appear as 12GB "Other" stuff on my phone. Any way to get rid of this so I can do a new sync of my music?

I think I've found the problem. I used iTunes to sync ringtones to the iPhone, which removed (however, not physically) all music stored.

I noticed that ringtones (M4R) are shown when you view the iPod contents in foobar2000 - Are there a way that I can use foobar2000 to sync m4r-ringtones?
Can't wait for a HD-AAC encoder :P

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Reply #2640 –
Hmm that's interesting. Sadly since (obviously) I can't add ringtones to my iPod touch using iTunes, I can't test that

If you add some songs using iTunes in manual music sync mode (and close iTunes), and then send some using foo_dop, and then sync ringtones only in iTunes, do the songs sent by iTunes stay?

m4r - this still applies
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Reply #2641 –
Quote from: musicmusic on
Quote from: furiousDingo on
Is there a way to sync ringtones (I believe they are .m4r files) using foo_dop?  I never really used custom ringtones before, but I found a good one and it doesn't look like foo_dop can sync it, is it because foobar2000 can't read it?
Hmm, I didn't even know that extension existed. Yes it needs to be recognised in foobar2000 as well as having support for it in foo_dop. (Some kind of redirector input may be possible to redirect it to the standard mp4 input, but if that safely works it would be a last resort..)

m4r is just a m4a sound file with changed extension  nothing else is changed. So rerouting the mp4 input should be perfectly safe.
Quote from: musicmusic on
Hmm that's interesting. Sadly since I can't add ringtones to my iPod touch using iTunes, so can't test that

If you add some songs using iTunes (and close iTunes), and then some using foo_dop, and then sync ringtones only in iTunes, do the songs sent by iTunes stay?

m4r - this still applies

I would gladly check that, but possibility of loosing every song on my iPhone (I sent all of them using foo_dop) while doing it is just too scary

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Reply #2642 –
Quote from: musicmusic on
Hmm that's interesting. Sadly since I can't add ringtones to my iPod touch using iTunes, so can't test that


I have iPhone and have been using custom ringtones since musicmusic edited foo_dop to ignore the m4r. It works fine, my suggestion is this (this is what I do): make sure iPhone is set to manually manage music and uncheck music and ringtone syncing, also, it helps to start with empty iPhone. Use iTunes to set it all up, and sync the applications, photos and contacts if needed. Drag and drop ringtones to the phone (not by syncing). Add all your songs through foo_dop.

Once I have made some plays and need to sync I just use Syncronize command in foo_dop. Then use iTunes and click sync for apps and other items. Once done with iTunes go back and re-write database command in foo_dop. This keeps the database up so it can be resynced next time. So method is  foo_dop, itunes, foo_dop. Of course, I seem to need to sync songs way more than apps and such so most of the time I am syncing with foo_dop only. Again I have zero issues with this method.

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Reply #2643 –
Thanks fo your answer, musicmusic.

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1. Yes, because the files are different. Why don't you tag the source files instead? Or if you are tagging the source file, then you're assuming the audio data hasn't changed.

I am acually changing the tags on the source files (so not the ones on the ipod) and with update metadata they are also updated on the Nano. Audio itself does not change, nevertheless files are deleted and uploaded again. How is the mechanism working? Are you checking e.g. MD5 of the source file to detect changes? I would prefer an option just to check the file name.

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2. Still no support, correct. It is something I'd like to change on some level, I haven't looked at foo_podcatcher though so I don't know how it will fit in.

foo_podcatcher is already quite usefull. It offers an option to download files to specific folders, thus for the beginning a synchronising function to those folders would be totally sufficient. Practically it is already now possible, but the problem remains that podcasts will clutter up the libary. A function to restrict the number of files to be transferred would be handy.

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3. Well, the lyrics should be stored in the place specified by the relevant tag format specification - so remapping shouldn't be on this side, and it would be retagging rather anyway.

I got your point. The lyrics tag could be also used to display other usefull information on the pod such as discogs information, comments and similar stuff. Remapping for source files is not really the ideal solution because it would mean that you update the whole libary with a tag that you don't use within foobar.

Cheers.

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Reply #2644 –
Quote from: monoik on
m4r is just a m4a sound file with changed extension  nothing else is changed. So rerouting the mp4 input should be perfectly safe.
Not that, but the standard MP4 input says "I don't support this" but you force it on it anyway - I would call it a hack..

Quote from: metalboy on
I have iPhone and have been using custom ringtones since musicmusic edited foo_dop to ignore the m4r. It works fine [..]
This is what I thought, I don't see why ringtones would be different from e.g. podcasts. Perhaps music sync was enabled and so that's why everything got removed - but it doesn't explain why the files stayed..

Quote from: Chris Norman on
I am acually changing the tags on the source files (so not the ones on the ipod) and with update metadata they are also updated on the Nano. Audio itself does not change, nevertheless files are deleted and uploaded again. How is the mechanism working? Are you checking e.g. MD5 of the source file to detect changes? I would prefer an option just to check the file name.
Actually what you are doing won't work in itself unless you are doing something else as well; "Update metadata" is for updating the iPod's database if you made changes to the metadata of the file directly on the device.

So it won't work because lyrics aren't stored in the database, and because it won't pick up changes in the source file - use sync for that.

Audio data might well change - re-rip, MP3Gain etc. Say you ran "Rebuild MP3 stream" on an MP3 file because it wouldn't play correctly on your device, and then ran "Sync" to update the device, you certainly would've wanted it recopied. It is by design that it works the way it does I'm afraid.
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Reply #2645 –
Quote from: musicmusic on
This is what I thought, I don't see why ringtones would be different from e.g. podcasts. Perhaps music sync was enabled and so that's why everything got removed - but it doesn't explain why the files stayed..


iTunes considers ringtones music so you have to have "manually manage music" unchecked in order to sync them using the sync button. When "manually manage music" is unchecked you can drag the files there and the box for syncing ringtones is disabled (if I remember correctly). Regardless of all that, Yes I think you are correct sync was enabled but syncing music may have been turned off? Possibly, why they were left.

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Reply #2646 –
Quote from: musicmusic on
If you add some songs using iTunes in manual music sync mode (and close iTunes), and then send some using foo_dop, and then sync ringtones only in iTunes, do the songs sent by iTunes stay?

No, it seem to erase it. I think iTunes think of ringtones just as any other music, so as long as I don't touch any music-part of iTunes, my phone will sync with no problems and I can use foo_dop just fine.

Quote from: metalboy on
I have iPhone and have been using custom ringtones since musicmusic edited foo_dop to ignore the m4r. It works fine, my suggestion is this (this is what I do): make sure iPhone is set to manually manage music and uncheck music and ringtone syncing, also, it helps to start with empty iPhone. Use iTunes to set it all up, and sync the applications, photos and contacts if needed. Drag and drop ringtones to the phone (not by syncing). Add all your songs through foo_dop.

Once I have made some plays and need to sync I just use Syncronize command in foo_dop. Then use iTunes and click sync for apps and other items. Once done with iTunes go back and re-write database command in foo_dop. This keeps the database up so it can be resynced next time. So method is  foo_dop, itunes, foo_dop. Of course, I seem to need to sync songs way more than apps and such so most of the time I am syncing with foo_dop only. Again I have zero issues with this method.

Yes that works, until you want another ringtone - If you add another ringtone to iTunes it will probably just destroy the library (at least that's what I think happened the first time). Second time when I forced it to sync the ringtones it told me right out that the contents would be destroyed.

Quote from: metalboy on
iTunes considers ringtones music so you have to have "manually manage music" unchecked in order to sync them using the sync button. When "manually manage music" is unchecked you can drag the files there and the box for syncing ringtones is disabled (if I remember correctly). Regardless of all that, Yes I think you are correct sync was enabled but syncing music may have been turned off? Possibly, why they were left.

If you disable "manually manage music" iTunes erases anything it doesn't know on the iPhone every times it syncs.

It would be great if you could reroute a music file as a M4R on the iPhone. I'll be glad to test it
Can't wait for a HD-AAC encoder :P
 

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Reply #2647 –
Quote from: odyssey on
If you disable "manually manage music" iTunes erases anything it doesn't know on the iPhone every times it syncs.


We may be a bit confused here. You must have "manually manage music" enabled, box checked. Then when sync is done it doesn't look at the ringtones or music only other items. You have to have this enabled to use foo_dop otherwise you are always going to have orphaned files.

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Reply #2648 –
Quote from: odyssey on
Yes that works, until you want another ringtone - If you add another ringtone to iTunes it will probably just destroy the library (at least that's what I think happened the first time). Second time when I forced it to sync the ringtones it told me right out that the contents would be destroyed.


No if you drag and drop ringtones on to the phone you will be just fine.

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Reply #2649 –
Just like to say thanks once again for all the effort that has gone into this component. I got an ipod touch 8gb for christmas, and i'm loving it. foo_dop works wonderfully.

unfortunately i finally had to install itunes on my system to sync podcasts, video files, apps and do backups. the itunes app itself was not such an issue for me, but things like bonjour and mobile me really are. i've put together a little guide to install itunes without all the useless components you'd rather not install. most people on here likely already know, but for those that don't, it might be nice to put on the wiki.

Trimming the iTunes Install:
1. Download but do not run iTunes (64/32-bit)
2. Open the .exe file with an archive manager like 7-zip
3. Extract the components you need for your purposes. eg:
[blockquote]AppleApplicationSupport.msi
AppleMobileDeviceSupport64.msi
AppleSoftwareUpdate.msi
QuickTime.msi
iTunes64.msi[/blockquote]4. Run each component installer individually, if there are errors, open a command prompt and run the installer with a passive switch. eg:
[blockquote]C:\> iTunes64.msi /passive[/blockquote]