We'll start off real quick. Who's getting harmed?
I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate here, but I think the answer is that others do not view your ability to hear it as harm so much as lack of pleasure. So their thought is, "why should I have to sacrifice my pleasure for yours? If your home is so poorly insulated that I can't listen to my music, why do *I* have to be the one to change?"
(This assumes of course that the neighbors are in compliance with local noise ordinances. If they're not, they're breaking the law).
One should not have actively to batten down one’s home simply to avoid unwanted sensory intrusions from someone else’s choice of recreation.
Back to the first point, yes, there should also be limits on people’s abilities to shut down other people’s fun. But I don’t think that justifies pounding music as being fine and more attributable to a lack of foresight from the sufferer than a lack of consideration from the perpetrator. That smells a bit too much like victim-blaming to me!
Quote from: db1989 on 20 February, 2013, 04:27:53 PMOne should not have actively to batten down one’s home simply to avoid unwanted sensory intrusions from someone else’s choice of recreation.Conversely, why should someone else cease recreational activities if one's home is poorly protected? We're pointing at music being a problem, but other things can also cause a similar problem. Dogs, babies, children and social events can also cause the same problem.
More importantly, people recreating may not realize that they're causing a disturbance. Perhaps they've always listened to their music this loudly before and no neighbor has said anything.
Yes, it likely is complete lack of consideration from the perpetrator. Which I think answers the original question.
I maintain that any form of active insurance against disturbance should not be seen as a requirement of homeowners that makes them culpable for their own inconvenience in its absence. This is based on a ‘gut feeling’, not experience, but you just stating your position (or perhaps it’s just that of the Devil’s advocate) again in different words isn’t enough to sway it.
In which case we get onto the subject of people sometimes being far too reluctant to stand up for themselves, complain, etc. I agree that this is a bad mindset that is something of a systemic problem and, while not making people specifically to blame for whatever it is they’re annoyed by, could do with being addressed. But that gives way to the fact that so many things about society are far too passive, and so on, and so forth, and we could all go on for days.
QuoteYes, it likely is complete lack of consideration from the perpetrator. Which I think answers the original question.So, we all ultimately agree, somehow, despite the preceding debate?
others do not view your ability to hear it as harm so much as lack of pleasure. So their thought is, "why should I have to sacrifice my pleasure for yours? If your home is so poorly insulated that I can't listen to my music, why do *I* have to be the one to change?"
Car sirens are louder, alarms are louder
Car sirens are used frequently without real reason. From my experience (and I'm not even in 30s) many are just abusing it, while sirens are made louder and louder in every new car (especially in something scared city people choose most - suvs, jeeps, minivans). I believe you wouldn't like to be alarmed by such vehicle, passing by.
Whatever car you own, it's probably precious to you and you would buy even China import alarm, just to be like the rest. I hate car alarms. Real car thieves doesn't have problem with it, but just the alarmed surrounding, which - like you noted - would hardly react anyway.
In most cases fired alarm is false - thunder strikes, big truck passes by, loud engine (car/motor) passes by, cat was playing around it... If you aren't living in apartment, sharing parking space with others, you may see on it differently, thou.
I take it you mean “siren” as alarm, not the sort that the emergency services would use?
I’ve thought the same thing about my current address since I had a very expensive parcel delivered to neighbours and then stolen from me, but I had to wonder whether, if my door were battered in and everything stolen (which I acknowledge is unlikely), anyone would notice, and if they would care at all if they did.