Is there a reason for not putting this new version out on CD or iTunes?
...What is the source for the data that is cut into the plastic? Isn't it a digital file (nowadays)? Does anyone know someone who could get hold of such a digital source file (unaltered) that we can analyze and compare with an LP rip of the same?
I don't want to open the vinyl because it's a limited pressing: 79 of 500.
You keep your vinyl sealed? ...
I have the 24/48 files that were used to press that album.
I want to revisit this discussion because I just provided a link to it from another discussion and realized that I failed to point out earlier that based on simply viewing the waveforms in the first two posts and my understanding of how vinyl is created and subsequently played back, it appears to me that DRC may have been applied to the CD version above and beyond the source that was used to create the vinyl version for only one title shown: the last one.IOW, I don't find the visual evidence presented here very compelling in order to conclude that vinyl is typically derived from a different master than the one used to create a CD, FWIW and IMHO.
Thanks for the anecdote. Now do you have any evidence to back it up?
More anecdotes. Will we be seeing any hard evidence from you?
At this time I guess I could offer nothing but anecdotal musings as well. (I have the TT and cart to do decent rips but I lack a decent ADC and external preamp so I won't be doing any rips until I get some new gear. The ones I submitted were from a Pro-Ject Debut III with a seriously treble-biased cart.)While I won't argue either way at this point I'm going to concede that the last couple of requests I made (that were answered) to record companies on mastering info were answered with "same."The last two bands I literally spoke to about it said "same" as well. However both of those releases were fairly dynamic by today's metal standards though. (Both CDs were DR8; not terrible IMO for dense black metal and doom metal respectively.)I personally feel at this point that a lot of what I thought was some completely separate master could possibly just be the effects vinyl playback has on clipped digital sources.
In any case I'd like to update some more findings on that In Flames record.CDCode: [Select] DR5 -0.10 dB -6.19 dB 09 - Ropes.wavLPCode: [Select] DR12 -0.66 dB -14.20 dB 12 - Ropes.wav
DR5 -0.10 dB -6.19 dB 09 - Ropes.wav
DR12 -0.66 dB -14.20 dB 12 - Ropes.wav
http://www.metal-fi.com/taking-swano-challenge/ <--- This one tells the reader how to set up a blind ABX with fb2k
The only thing that hyper compression does is make a song sound worse. Period. It doesn’t sound better on earbuds, it doesn’t sound better on laptop speakers or car stereos, and it certainly doesn’t sound better on my Logitech computer speakers. It also does not sell any more albums. Alex and I are going to keeping beating our heads into the wall until this idiocy stops.
Never actually made measurement of the sort, but may we safely assume that all this doesn't apply to classical?
In case someone is still reading this thread: Swedish death metal guru Dan Swanö (who has done studio work on literally hundreds of releases) made sure that his recent project Witherscape made three mixes/masterings available digitally. The album was supposed to be available on CD, vinyl and for download, and the CD contains a data session with the two other releases on (mp3) file. The story does support the word-of-mouth that a sufficiently low DR is specified by the record company - suggesting, if complying with industry specs is done in a late stage, there is a near-master non-compressed mix somewhere, and it might find its way to the vinyl grooves. More on this release:http://www.metal-fi.com/the-dan-swano-challenge/http://www.metal-fi.com/taking-swano-challenge/ <--- This one tells the reader how to set up a blind ABX with fb2kMaybe include it on http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?ti...ter_than_the_CD ?BTW: Here is a case where Metal-Fi would get the information from the label that some particular release was sourced from the same master for LP and CD: http://www.metal-fi.com/insomnium-shadows-dying-sun/
You set me thinking - sometimes more "remastering" is better, and sometimes going from more to less sounds strange when you're used to more. Of course, there are limits!Check out the samples in this thread...http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=99166...I prefer (a), but then I heard (a) first. Yet if I heard a radio station, or genre complication CD, include a track sounding exactly like (a), I'd find that sound to be totally weird and jarring - I'd expect one of (b)-(e) on a compilation CD, and (f) on the radio.Cheers,David.
Quote from: Porcus on 20 May, 2014, 07:16:03 AMhttp://www.metal-fi.com/taking-swano-challenge/ <--- This one tells the reader how to set up a blind ABX with fb2kQuoteThe only thing that hyper compression does is make a song sound worse. Period. It doesn’t sound better on earbuds, it doesn’t sound better on laptop speakers or car stereos, and it certainly doesn’t sound better on my Logitech computer speakers. It also does not sell any more albums. Alex and I are going to keeping beating our heads into the wall until this idiocy stops.
Actually, I think it would be wonderful to have a collection of proper information about which releases are audibly better on vinyl due to the CDs having clipping/DRC, and the LPs having less/none.Useful for collectors and listeners, and a timely prod to the audio industry.Cheers,David.
Quote from: Kohlrabi on 29 January, 2013, 10:41:13 AMIs there a reason for not putting this new version out on CD or iTunes?What?! Try and sell a "new and improved" version on the same format that's quieter than the original?!?!?!This is the best excuse for new hi-res formats - you can fix your previous mastering mistakes without ever admitting you even made a mistake.Cheers,David.