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  • Ardax
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Reply #75
And I certainly don't want my music to play any faster.

No, but decoding faster also means it requires less CPU power.  That's much more important on battery-powered devices (like a portable music player) than on your multi-GHz, multi-core, plugged-in desktop or HTPC.

  • _m²_
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Reply #76
No, they both play in real time

So what?

And I certainly don't want my music to play any faster.

I do. (not to play but to decode much faster than realtime).

May I ask what kind of use do you have that makes you decode you files frequently and not encode them back? (because if you did encode, I guess you would ignore tiny decoding differences)

2 A_Man_Eating_Duck:
If you thing sac is slow, try ofr --maximumcompression.

2 Ardax:
My music collection doesn't fit on my portable players, so using lossy codec there is a pure win for me.
  • Last Edit: 19 October, 2012, 06:01:40 PM by _m²_

  • Porcus
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Reply #77
May I ask what kind of use do you have that makes you decode you files frequently and not encode them back?


Playback without 100 percent CPU load?

  • lvqcl
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Reply #78
May I ask what kind of use do you have that makes you decode you files frequently and not encode them back? (because if you did encode, I guess you would ignore tiny decoding differences)


1) Verifying old rips with AcccurateRip/CueTools databases.

2) Some time ago foobar2000 changed its ReplayGain algorithm so I decided to rescan all tracks in my library. It took several hours, and it would take several days with LA or Monkey's Audio -insane or OFR highest settings.

3) I do encode them (to lossy formats for my portable player). Typical lossy compression speed is 30...50x realtime. Let's suppose it is 40x.
FLAC decoding speed is ~500x. Transcoding from FLAC to lossy: 1/(1/500 + 1/40) = 37x realtime.
LA -high decoding speed is ~12x. Transcoding from LA to lossy: 1/(1/12 + 1/40) = 9x realtime.

37x vs. 9x is not a difference that can be ignored.

  • _m²_
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Reply #79
Thanks for the answers, they broadened my views.
3) I do encode them (to lossy formats for my portable player). Typical lossy compression speed is 30...50x realtime. Let's suppose it is 40x.
FLAC decoding speed is ~500x. Transcoding from FLAC to lossy: 1/(1/500 + 1/40) = 37x realtime.
LA -high decoding speed is ~12x. Transcoding from LA to lossy: 1/(1/12 + 1/40) = 9x realtime.

37x vs. 9x is not a difference that can be ignored.

Could you say more?
I wonder why don't you encode to lossless and lossy formats at the same time. It's simpler and 10% faster than with FLAC (assuming your disk can do 500x realtime).
Also, if you can't for some reason, do you do it over and over or just once? Because if you do it once, I think you should add lossless encoding speed to the calculations.
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Reply #80
I wonder why bother adding Optimfrog or settings like wavpack --xx6² at all. In the last ripping poll we had exactly one person that admitted using Optimfrog. Wonder who this was!?

Edit: Link added http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=92660
  • Last Edit: 22 October, 2012, 06:26:50 PM by Wombat
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With 24bit music you can listen to silence much louder!

  • yourlord
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Reply #81
Could you say more?
I wonder why don't you encode to lossless and lossy formats at the same time. It's simpler and 10% faster than with FLAC (assuming your disk can do 500x realtime).
Also, if you can't for some reason, do you do it over and over or just once? Because if you do it once, I think you should add lossless encoding speed to the calculations.


I rip to lossless (FLAC) and then encode to lossy as needed when I add files to a portable device. I don't encode to lossy in addition to lossless while ripping as I don't need to waste the space on my drive with a lossy version of everything. On the LAN I play only lossless. The only use I have for lossy is on storage limited portable devices. Some only support mp3, so I transcode my library to mp3 when I load that device. Others support Ogg Vorbis, which I prefer over mp3 so on those I transcode to Ogg Vorbis. Most of my portable devices support Vorbis, so that's usually what I transcode to. The only device I or any of my family own that doesn't support Vorbis is the stereo in my truck. It only supports mp3 so I transcoded to mp3 for that one.

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Reply #82
For the last 2 weeks i have been running a Lossless compression test using a whole range of different lossless codecs. I'm not sure if the results would be helpful to anyone but i thought i would post them up on HA just in case.

-Encoders Tested-

FLAC v1.2.1
FLAKE v0.11
FLAKE SVN r264
Lossless Audio v4b
Monkeys Audio v4.10
OptimFROG v4.910b
QAAC v1.40 (iTunes v10.6.3.25)
Shorten v3.6.1
TAK v2.2.0
TTA v2.1
Wavpack v4.60.1
WMA v9.2 Lossless (Converted with dBpoweramp Music Converter)

-Music Tested-
Code: [Select]
+---30 Seconds To Mars
|  +---2002 - 30 Seconds To Mars
|  +---2006 - A Beautiful Lie
|  \---2009 - This Is War
+---311
|  \---1995 - 311
+---A
|  \---2002 - Hi-Fi Serious
+---A Perfect Circle
|  +---2000 - Mer De Noms
|  \---2003 - Thirteenth Step
+---AC-DC
|  +---1980 - Back In Black
|  +---1992 - Live Collector's Edition Disc 1
|  \---1992 - Live Collector's Edition Disc 2
+---Adele
|  \---2011 - 21
+---AFI
|  +---2003 - Sing The Sorrow
|  +---2006 - Decemberunderground
|  +---2009 - Crash Love
|  \---2009 - Crash Love Bonus Disc
+---Alexisonfire
|  +---2002 - Alexisonfire
|  +---2004 - Watch Out!
|  +---2006 - Crisis
|  +---2007 - Live At The Manchester Academy Disc 1
|  +---2007 - Live At The Manchester Academy Disc 2
|  \---2009 - Old Crows - Young Cardinals
+---Alice In Chains
|  +---1993 - Jar Of Flies
|  +---1996 - Unplugged
|  \---2001 - Greatest Hits
+---Alien Ant Farm
|  +---2001 - Anthology
|  \---2003 - Truant
+---Angels & Airwaves
|  +---2006 - We Don't Need To Whisper
|  +---2007 - I-Empire
|  +---2010 - Love Part One
|  \---2011 - Love Part Two
+---Anthrax
|  +---1987 - Among The Living
|  +---1990 - Persistence Of Time
|  +---1993 - Sound Of White Noise
|  \---2003 - We've Come For You All
+---Anti-flag
|  +---2006 - For Blood And Empire
|  +---2007 - A Benefit For Victims Of Violent Crime
|  +---2008 - The Bright Lights Of America
|  +---2009 - The People Or The Gun
|  \---2009 - Which Side Are You On E.p
+---Arctic Monkeys
|  \---2007 - Favourite Worst Nightmare
+---Autopilot Off
|  \---2004 - Make A Sound
+---Bad Religion
|  +---1989 - No Control
|  +---1990 - Against The Grain
|  +---1993 - Recipe For Hate
|  +---1994 - Stranger Than Fiction
|  +---1996 - The Gray Race
|  +---1997 - Tested
|  +---2002 - The Process Of Belief
|  +---2004 - The Empire Strikes First
|  +---2007 - New Maps Of Hell
|  \---2010 - The Dissent Of Man
+---Banco De Gaia
|  +---1995 - Last Train To Lhasa Disc 1
|  \---1995 - Last Train To Lhasa Disc 2
+---Ben Folds
|  +---2001 - Rockin' The Suburbs
|  \---2002 - Ben Folds Live
+---Ben Folds Five
|  +---1995 - Ben Folds Five
|  +---1997 - Whatever And Ever Amen
|  \---1999 - The Unauthorized Biography Of Reinhold Messner
+---Billy Joel
|  +---1985 - Greatest Hits Disc 1
|  \---1985 - Greatest Hits Disc 2
+---Billy Talent
|  +---2003 - I
|  +---2006 - II
|  +---2007 - 666
|  \---2009 - III
+---Blink-182
|  +---1994 - Buddha
|  +---1994 - Cheshire Cat
|  +---1997 - Dude Ranch
|  +---1999 - Enema Of The State
|  +---2000 - The Mark, Tom & Travis Show
|  +---2001 - Take Off Your Pants And Jacket
|  +---2003 - Blink-182
|  \---2011 - Neighborhoods
+---Bob Marley
|  \---1984 - Legend
+---Bob Mould
|  \---1996 - Bob Mould
+---Bodyjar
|  +---1998 - No Touch Red
|  +---2000 - How It Works
|  \---2005 - Bodyjar
+---Bon Jovi
|  \---1986 - Slippery When Wet
+---Bonnie 'Prince' Billy
|  +---2006 - The Letting Go
|  \---2011 - Wolfroy Goes To Town
+---Bowling For Soup
|  \---2004 - A Hangover You Don't Deserve
+---Brand New
|  +---2001 - Your Favourite Weapon
|  +---2003 - Deja Entendu
|  +---2006 - The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me
|  \---2009 - Daisy
+---Breaking Benjamin
|  +---2002 - Saturate
|  +---2004 - Live Ep
|  +---2004 - We Are Not Alone
|  +---2006 - Phobia
|  \---2009 - Dear Agony
+---Cake
|  +---1994 - Motorcade Of Generosity
|  +---1996 - Fashion Nugget
|  +---1998 - Prolonging The Magic
|  +---2001 - Comfort Eagle
|  +---2004 - Pressure Chief
|  \---2011 - Showroom Of Compassion
+---Cat Stevens
|  \---1990 - The Very Best Of Cat Stevens
+---Chicago
|  \---1997 - Heart Of Chicago 1967 - 1997
+---Cky
|  +---2001 - Volume 1
|  \---2002 - Infiltrate.Destroy.Rebuild
+---Counting Crows
|  \---1993 - August And Everything After
+---Creedence Clearwater Revival
|  +---1995 - Chronicle Disc 1
|  \---1995 - Chronicle Disc 2
+---Crowded House
|  \---1996 - Recurring Dream The Very Best Of
+---Danzig
|  \---1988 - Danzig
+---David Bowie
|  \---1997 - The Best Of (1969-1974)
+---Deep Purple
|  +---1972 - Machine Head- 25th Anniversary Edition Disc 1
|  \---1972 - Machine Head- 25th Anniversary Edition Disc 2
+---Def Leppard
|  \---1987 - Hysteria
+---Descendents
|  \---1996 - Everything Sucks
+---Dire Straits
|  \---1998 - Sultans Of Swing - The Very Best Of
+---Disturbed
|  +---2000 - The Sickness
|  +---2002 - Believe
|  +---2005 - Ten Thousand Fists
|  +---2008 - Indestructible
|  +---2010 - Asylum
|  \---2011 - The Lost Children
+---Dragonforce
|  \---2006 - Inhuman Rampage
+---Dropkick Murphys
|  +---1997 - Do Or Die
|  +---2001 - Sing Loud, Sing Proud!
|  +---2003 - Blackout
|  +---2005 - The Warrior's Code
|  +---2007 - The Meanest Of Times
|  +---2010 - Live On Lansdowne, Boston MA
|  \---2011 - Going Out In Style
+---Easy Star All-Stars
|  +---2003 - Dub Side Of The Moon
|  +---2006 - Radiodread
|  +---2009 - Easy Star's Lonely Hearts Dub Band
|  +---2010 - Dubber Side Of The Moon
|  \---2012 - Thrillah
+---Elton John
|  +---2002 - Greatest Hits 1970 - 2002 Disc 1
|  \---2002 - Greatest Hits 1970 - 2002 Disc 2
+---Eric Clapton
|  +---1992 - Unplugged
|  +---2002 - One More Car, One More Rider - Disc 1
|  \---2002 - One More Car, One More Rider - Disc 2
+---Evanescence
|  \---2003 - Fallen
+---Extreme
|  \---1990 - Pornograffitti
+---Face To Face
|  \---1996 - Face To Face
+---Faith No More
|  +---1985 - We Care A Lot
|  +---1987 - Introduce Yourself
|  +---1989 - The Real Thing
|  +---1990 - Live At The Brixton Academy
|  +---1993 - Angel Dust
|  +---1993 - Free Concert In The Park
|  +---1995 - King For A Day, Fool For A Lifetime
|  +---1997 - Album Of The Year
|  \---2009 - Download Festival
+---Fat Freddys Drop
|  \---2005 - Based On A True Story
+---Fatboy Slim
|  \---1998 - You've Come A Long Way, Baby
+---Fear Factory
|  +---1997 - Remanufacture
|  +---1998 - Obsolete
|  \---2001 - Digimortal
+---Finch
|  +---2002 - What It Is To Burn
|  +---2005 - Say Hello To Sunshine
|  +---2008 - Finch
|  \---2010 - Epilogue Ep
+---Finger Eleven
|  \---2003 - Finger Eleven
+---Finley Quaye
|  +---1997 - Maverick A Strike
|  \---2003 - Much More Than Much Love
+---Fishbone
|  \---1991 - The Reality Of My Surroundings
+---Foo Fighters
|  +---1995 - Foo Fighters
|  +---1997 - The Colour And The Shape
|  \---1999 - There Is Nothing Left To Lose
+---Frank Zappa
|  \---1982 - Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch
+---Frenzal Rhomb
|  +---1999 - A Man's Not A Camel
|  +---1999 - We're Going Out Tonight EP
|  \---1999 - You Are Not My Friend EP
+---Frightened Rabbit
|  \---2008 - The Midnight Organ Fight
+---Fun Lovin' Criminals
|  +---1996 - Come Find Yourself
|  +---1998 - 100% Colombian
|  +---1999 - Mimosa
|  +---2001 - Loco
|  \---2010 - Classic Fantastic
+---Funeral For A Friend
|  +---2003 - Casually Dressed & Deep In Conversation
|  +---2003 - Seven Ways To Scream Your Name
|  +---2005 - Hours
|  +---2007 - Tales Don't Tell Themselves
|  +---2007 - The Great Wide Open (Live)
|  +---2008 - Memory And Humanity
|  +---2009 - Your History Is Mine (2002-2009)
|  \---2011 - Welcome Home Armageddon
+---Green Day
|  +---1994 - Dookie
|  +---1995 - Insomniac
|  +---1997 - Nimrod
|  +---2000 - Warning
|  +---2002 - Shenanigans
|  \---2004 - American Idiot
+---Grinspoon
|  \---2004 - Thrills, Kills + Sunday Pills
+---Groove Armada
|  \---2002 - Lovebox
+---Guns N' Roses
|  +---1987 - Appetite For Destruction
|  +---1991 - Use Your Illusion I
|  +---1991 - Use Your Illusion II
|  \---2008 - Chinese Democracy
+---Head Like A Hole
|  \---1995 - Double Your Strength Improve Your Health And Lengthen Your Life
+---Hoobastank
|  \---2003 - The Reason
+---Hootie & The Blowfish
|  \---1994 - Cracked Rear View
+---Husker Du
|  \---1994 - The Living End
+---Incubus
|  +---1999 - Make Yourself
|  +---2001 - Morning View
|  +---2004 - A Crow Left Of The Murder
|  +---2006 - Light Grenades
|  +---2011 - If Not Now, When
|  \---2012 - Live Hq
+---Inspiral Carpets
|  \---1991 - The Beast Inside
+---Iron Maiden
|  +---1983 - Piece Of Mind
|  +---1988 - Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son
|  +---1992 - Fear Of The Dark
|  +---1993 - A Real Live One
|  +---1998 - The Number Of The Beast
|  +---2000 - Brave New World
|  +---2002 - Rock In Rio Disc 1
|  +---2002 - Rock In Rio Disc 2
|  +---2009 - Flight 666 The Original Soundtrack Disc 1
|  \---2009 - Flight 666 The Original Soundtrack Disc 2
+---Jack Johnson
|  +---2000 - Brushfire Fairytales
|  +---2003 - On And On
|  +---2005 - In Between Dreams
|  \---2008 - Sleep Through The Static
+---Jamiroquai
|  \---1996 - Travelling Without Moving
+---Jeff Wayne
|  +---1978 - The War Of The Worlds Disc 1
|  \---1978 - The War Of The Worlds Disc 2
+---Jimmy Eat World
|  +---2001 - Jimmy Eat World
|  +---2004 - Futures
|  +---2007 - Chase This Light
|  \---2010 - Invented
+---Joe Satriani
|  \---1992 - The Extremist
+---John Butler Trio
|  \---2007 - Grand National
+---John Lennon
|  +---1971 - Imagine
|  \---1997 - Lennon Legend - The Very Best Of John Lennon
+---John Mayer
|  +---2001 - Room For Squares
|  +---2003 - Any Given Thursday Disc 1
|  +---2003 - Any Given Thursday Disc 2
|  +---2003 - Heavier Things
|  +---2006 - Continuum
|  +---2006 - The Village Sessions
|  +---2008 - Where The Light Is Live In Los Angeles Disc 1
|  +---2008 - Where The Light Is Live In Los Angeles Disc 2
|  +---2009 - Battle Studies
|  \---2012 - Born And Raised
+---Lagwagon
|  +---1994 - Trashed
|  +---1995 - Duh
|  +---1995 - Hoss
|  +---1997 - Double Plaidinum
|  +---1998 - Let's Talk About Feelings
|  +---2002 - Let's Talk About Leftovers
|  +---2003 - Blaze
|  +---2005 - Live In A Dive
|  +---2005 - Resolve
|  \---2008 - I Think My Older Brother Used To Listen To Lagwagon
+---Less Than Jake
|  +---1995 - Pezcore
|  +---1996 - Losing Streak
|  +---1998 - Hello Rockview
|  \---2008 - Gnv Fla Deluxe Box Set
+---Linkin Park
|  +---2000 - Hybrid Theory
|  +---2003 - Meteora
|  \---2007 - Minutes To Midnight
+---Living Colour
|  +---1988 - Vivid
|  \---1990 - Time's Up
+---Long Beach Dub Allstars
|  \---1999 - Right Back
+---Lostprophets
|  +---2004 - Start Something
|  +---2006 - Liberation Transmission
|  +---2010 - The Betrayed
|  \---2012 - Weapons (Deluxe Edition)
+---Mad Caddies
|  +---1997 - Quality Soft Core
|  +---1998 - Duck And Cover
|  +---2000 - The Holiday Has Been Cancelled
|  +---2001 - Rock The Plank
|  +---2003 - Just One More
|  +---2004 - Live From Toronto- Songs In The Key Of Eh
|  \---2007 - Keep It Going
+---Matchbook Romance
|  +---2003 - Stories And Alibis
|  \---2006 - Voices
+---Mclusky
|  \---2006 - Mcluskyism
+---Me First And The Gimme Gimmes
|  +---1997 - Have A Ball
|  +---1999 - Are A Drag
|  +---2001 - Blow In The Wind
|  +---2003 - Take A Break
|  +---2004 - Ruin Jonny's Bar Mitzvah
|  +---2006 - Love Their Country
|  \---2008 - Have Another Ball
+---Michael Jackson
|  +---1979 - Off The Wall
|  +---1982 - Thriller
|  \---1991 - Dangerous
+---Millencolin
|  +---1995 - Life On A Plate
|  +---1997 - For Monkeys
|  +---1999 - Pennybridge Pioneers
|  +---1999 - The Melancholy Collection
|  \---2002 - Home From Home
+---Misfits
|  +---1997 - American Psycho
|  +---1999 - Famous Monsters
|  +---2003 - Project 1950
|  \---2011 - The Devil's Rain
+---Moby
|  \---1999 - Play
+---Motley Crue
|  \---1989 - Dr. Feelgood
+---Mr. Bungle
|  +---1991 - Mr. Bungle
|  +---1995 - Disco Volante
|  \---1999 - California
+---Muse
|  +---1999 - Showbiz
|  +---2001 - Origin Of Symmetry
|  +---2002 - Hullabaloo Disc 1
|  +---2002 - Hullabaloo Disc 2
|  +---2003 - Absolution
|  +---2006 - Black Holes And Revelations
|  +---2008 - H.A.A.R.P
|  \---2009 - The Resistance
+---Neil Finn & Friends
|  +---2001 - 7 Worlds Collide - Live At The St. James
|  \---2001 - 7 Worlds Collide - Live At The St. James DVD
+---New Found Glory
|  +---1999 - Nothing Gold Can Stay
|  +---2000 - From The Screen To Your Stereo
|  +---2000 - New Found Glory
|  +---2002 - Sticks And Stones
|  +---2004 - Catalyst
|  +---2006 - Coming Home
|  +---2007 - From The Screen To Your Stereo Part 2
|  +---2008 - Tip Of The Iceberg
|  +---2009 - Not Without A Fight
|  \---2011 - Radiosurgery
+---Nirvana
|  +---1989 - Bleach
|  +---1991 - Nevermind
|  +---1992 - Incesticide
|  +---1994 - Unplugged In New York
|  +---2009 - Live At Reading
|  \---2011 - Live At The Paramount
+---No Fun At All
|  +---1993 - Throw It In
|  +---1995 - No Straight Angles
|  +---1995 - Out Of Bounds
|  +---1997 - The Big Knockover
|  \---2000 - State Of Flow
+---No Use For A Name
|  +---1990 - Incognito
|  +---1992 - Don't Miss The Train
|  +---1993 - Daily Grind
|  +---1995 - Leche Con Carne
|  +---1997 - Making Friends
|  +---1999 - More Betterness!
|  +---2002 - Hard Rock Bottom
|  +---2002 - Live In A Dive
|  +---2005 - Keep Them Confused
|  \---2008 - The Feel Good Record Of The Year
+---Nofx
|  +---1989 - S&M Airlines
|  +---1991 - Liberal Animation
|  +---1991 - Ribbed
|  +---1992 - The Longest Line
|  +---1992 - White Trash, Two Heebs, And A Bean
|  +---1994 - Punk In Drublic
|  +---1995 - I Heard They Suck Live
|  +---1996 - Heavy Petting Zoo
|  +---1997 - So Long And Thanks For All The Shoes
|  +---1999 - The Decline
|  +---2000 - Pump Up The Valuum
|  +---2002 - 45 Or 46 Songs That Weren't Good Enough To Go On Our Other Records Disc 1
|  +---2002 - 45 Or 46 Songs That Weren't Good Enough To Go On Our Other Records Disc 2 Catching Zzz's
|  +---2003 - The War On Errorism
|  +---2006 - Wolves In Wolves' Clothing
|  +---2009 - Coaster
|  \---2009 - Cokie The Clown Ep
+---Ocean Colour Scene
|  +---1996 - Moseley Shoals
|  \---2001 - Songs For The Front Row
+---One Dollar Short
|  \---2002 - Eight Days Away
+---Ozzy Osbourne
|  +---1980 - Blizzard Of Ozz
|  +---1983 - Bark At The Moon
|  +---1991 - No More Tears
|  +---1995 - Ozzmosis
|  +---1995 - Tribute
|  +---1997 - The Ozzman Cometh Disc 1
|  +---1997 - The Ozzman Cometh Disc 2
|  +---2005 - Under Cover
|  +---2007 - Black Rain
|  \---2010 - Scream
+---Pacifier
|  +---2002 - Pacifier
|  \---2002 - Weapons Of Mass Destruction
+---Papa Roach
|  +---2004 - Getting Away With Murder
|  +---2006 - The Paramour Sessions
|  \---2009 - Metamorphosis
+---Pennywise
|  +---1991 - Pennywise
|  +---1992 - A Word From The Wise
|  +---1993 - Unknown Road
|  +---1995 - About Time
|  +---1997 - Full Circle
|  +---1999 - Straight Ahead
|  +---2001 - Land Of The Free
|  +---2003 - From The Ashes
|  +---2005 - The Fuse
|  +---2008 - Reason To Believe
|  \---2012 - All Or Nothing
+---Phil Collins
|  +---1989 - ...But Seriously
|  \---1998 - ...Hits
+---Pink Floyd
|  +---1973 - The Dark Side Of The Moon
|  +---1975 - Wish You Were Here
|  +---1979 - The Wall Disc 1
|  +---1979 - The Wall Disc 2
|  \---2005 - Live 8
+---Placebo
|  +---1996 - Placebo
|  +---1998 - Without You I'm Nothing
|  +---2001 - Black Market Music
|  +---2003 - Covers
|  +---2003 - Sleeping With Ghosts
|  +---2003 - Sleeping With Ghosts - Covers
|  +---2006 - Meds
|  +---2007 - Meds - Chile
|  +---2009 - Battle For The Sun
|  \---2011 - We Come In Pieces (Live)
+---Primal Scream
|  \---1992 - Screamadelica
+---Pulley
|  \---1996 - Esteem Driven Engine
+---Queen
|  +---1981 - Greatest Hits
|  +---2003 - Live At Wembley Stadium Disc 1
|  \---2003 - Live At Wembley Stadium Disc 2
+---Radiohead
|  +---1993 - Pablo Honey
|  +---1995 - The Bends
|  +---1997 - OK Computer
|  \---2000 - Kid A
+---Rage Against The Machine
|  +---1992 - Rage Against The Machine
|  \---1996 - Evil Empire
+---Red Hot Chili Peppers
|  \---1991 - Blood Sugar Sex Magik
+---Reel Big Fish
|  +---1995 - Everything Sucks
|  +---1996 - Turn The Radio Off
|  +---1998 - Why Do They Rock So Hard
|  +---2002 - Cheer Up
|  +---2005 - We're Not Happy 'til You're Not Happy
|  +---2006 - Our Live Album Is Better Than Your Live Album Disc 1
|  +---2006 - Our Live Album Is Better Than Your Live Album Disc 2
|  +---2007 - Monkeys For Nothin' And The Chimps For Free
|  \---2009 - Fame, Fortune And Fornication
+---Regurgitator
|  \---1997 - Unit
+---Richard Ashcroft
|  +---2000 - Alone With Everybody
|  +---2002 - Human Conditions
|  \---2006 - Keys To The World
+---Rise Against
|  +---2001 - The Unraveling
|  +---2003 - Revolutions Per Minute
|  +---2004 - Siren Song Of The Counter Culture
|  +---2006 - The Sufferer And The Witness
|  +---2008 - Appeal To Reason
|  \---2011 - Endgame
+---Saliva
|  \---2004 - Survival Of The Sickest
+---Salmonella Dub
|  +---1999 - Killervision
|  \---2001 - Inside The Dub Plates
+---Seether
|  \---2005 - Karma And Effect
+---Shihad
|  +---1995 - Killjoy
|  +---1996 - Shihad
|  \---1999 - The General Electric
+---Silverchair
|  +---1995 - Frogstomp
|  +---1996 - Freak Show
|  +---1999 - Neon Ballroom
|  +---2002 - Diorama
|  \---2007 - Young Modern
+---Skid Row
|  \---1989 - Skid Row
+---Skunk Anansie
|  +---1995 - Paranoid & Sunburnt
|  +---1996 - Stoosh
|  +---1998 - Post Orgasmic Chill
|  \---2010 - Wonderlustre
+---Social Distortion
|  +---2004 - Sex, Love, and Rock n' Roll
|  \---2011 - Hard Times And Nursery Rhymes
+---Soundgarden
|  \---1994 - Superunkown
+---Spiderbait
|  +---1996 - Ivy And The Big Apples
|  \---1999 - Grand Slam
+---Staind
|  +---2001 - Break the Cycle
|  +---2003 - 14 Shades Of Grey
|  +---2005 - Chapter V
|  +---2008 - The Illusion Of Progress
|  \---2011 - Staind
+---Stone Temple Pilots
|  +---1992 - Core
|  +---1994 - Purple
|  \---1996 - Tiny Music...Songs From The Vatican Gift Shop
+---Story Of The Year
|  +---2003 - Page Avenue
|  +---2005 - In The Wake Of Determination
|  +---2005 - Live In The Lou
|  +---2008 - The Black Swan
|  \---2010 - The Constant
+---Strung Out
|  +---1994 - Another Day In Paradise
|  +---1996 - Suburban Teenage Wasteland Blues
|  +---1998 - Twisted By Design
|  +---2000 - The Element Of Sonic Defiance
|  +---2002 - An American Paradox
|  +---2003 - Live In A Dive
|  +---2004 - Exile In Oblivion
|  +---2007 - Blackhawks Over Los Angeles
|  \---2009 - Agents Of The Underground
+---Sublime
|  +---1992 - Sublime
|  \---1997 - Second-Hand Smoke
+---Sugar
|  +---1992 - Copper Blue
|  +---1993 - Beaster
|  \---1994 - File Under- Easy Listening
+---Sum 41
|  +---2000 - Half Hour Of Power
|  +---2001 - All Killer No Filler
|  +---2002 - Does This Look Infected
|  +---2004 - Chuck
|  +---2007 - Underclass Hero
|  \---2011 - Screaming Bloody Murder
+---Supergrass
|  +---1995 - I Should Coco
|  +---1997 - In It For the Money
|  \---1999 - Supergrass
+---Supergroove
|  +---1994 - Traction
|  \---1996 - Backspacer
+---Switchfoot
|  \---2005 - Nothing Is Sound
+---System Of A Down
|  \---2001 - Toxicity
+---Tenacious D
|  \---2001 - Tenacious D
+---The Ataris
|  \---2003 - So Long, Astoria
+---The Beatles
|  +---1963 - Please Please Me (Mono)
|  +---1963 - With The Beatles (Mono)
|  +---1964 - A Hard Day's Night (Mono)
|  +---1964 - Beatles For Sale (Mono)
|  +---1965 - Help! (Mono)
|  +---1965 - Rubber Soul (Mono)
|  +---1966 - Revolver (Mono)
|  +---1967 - Hey Jude
|  +---1967 - Magical Mystery Tour (Mono)
|  +---1967 - Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band (Mono)
|  +---1968 - The White Album Disc 1 (Mono)
|  +---1968 - The White Album Disc 2 (Mono)
|  +---1969 - Yellow Submarine
|  +---1970 - Let It Be
|  +---2000 - One
|  +---2003 - Let It Be... Naked
|  +---2009 - Mono Masters Disc 1
|  \---2009 - Mono Masters Disc 2
+---The Black Crowes
|  \---1990 - Shake Your Money Maker
+---The Black Seeds
|  +---2001 - Keep On Pushing LP
|  \---2008 - Solid Ground
+---The Bloodhound Gang
|  +---1996 - One Fierce Beer Coaster
|  \---2000 - Hooray For Boobies
+---The Darkness
|  \---2003 - Permission To Land
+---The Doobie Brothers
|  \---1976 - Best Of The Doobies
+---The Eagles
|  \---1994 - Hell Freezes Over
+---The Finn Brothers
|  \---2004 - Everyone Is Here
+---The Get Up Kids
|  +---1996 - Woodson Ep
|  +---1997 - Four Minute Mile
|  +---1999 - Red Letter Day Ep
|  +---1999 - Something To Write Home About
|  \---2001 - Eudora
+---The Killers
|  +---2004 - Hot Fuss
|  +---2006 - Sam's Town
|  \---2008 - Day & Age
+---The Living End
|  +---1998 - The Living End
|  +---2000 - Roll On
|  +---2003 - Modern Artillery
|  +---2006 - State Of Emergency
|  \---2011 - The Ending Is Just The Beginning Repeating
+---The Loved Ones
|  \---2008 - Build & Burn
+---The Mighty Mighty Bosstones
|  \---1997 - Lets Face It
+---The Offspring
|  +---1989 - The Offspring
|  +---1992 - Ignition
|  +---1994 - Smash
|  +---1997 - Ixnay On The Hombre
|  +---1998 - Americana
|  +---2000 - Conspiracy Of One
|  +---2003 - Splinter
|  +---2008 - Rise And Fall, Rage And Grace
|  \---2012 - Days Go By
+---The Reverend Horton Heat
|  \---1996 - It's Martini Time
+---The Rolling Stones
|  +---2002 - Forty Licks Disc 1
|  \---2002 - Forty Licks Disc 2
+---The Smashing Pumpkins
|  +---1991 - Gish
|  +---1993 - Siamese Dream
|  +---1994 - Pisces Iscariot
|  +---1995 - Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness - Dawn To Dusk Disc 1
|  +---1995 - Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness - Twilight To Starlight Disc 2
|  +---1998 - Adore
|  +---2000 - Machina - The Machines Of God
|  \---2012 - Oceania
+---The Strokes
|  +---2001 - Is This It
|  +---2003 - Room On Fire
|  +---2006 - First Impressions of Earth
|  \---2011 - Angles
+---The Vandals
|  +---1998 - Hitler Bad, Vandals Good
|  +---2000 - Look What I Almost Stepped In
|  \---2000 - Oi! To The World
+---The Verve
|  +---1997 - Urban Hymns
|  \---2004 - This Is Music (The Singles 92-98)
+---Thievery Corporation
|  \---2006 - Sounds From The Thievery Hi-Fi
+---Thrice
|  +---2001 - Identity Crisis
|  +---2002 - The Illusion Of Safety
|  +---2003 - The Artist In The Ambulance
|  +---2004 - If We Could Only See Us Now
|  +---2005 - Vheissu
|  +---2006 - Red Sky Ep
|  +---2007 - The Alchemy Index- Vol. 1 - Fire
|  +---2007 - The Alchemy Index- Vol. 2 - Water
|  +---2008 - Live At The House Of Blues Disc 1
|  +---2008 - Live At The House Of Blues Disc 2
|  +---2008 - The Alchemy Index- Vol. 3 - Air
|  +---2008 - The Alchemy Index- Vol. 4 - Earth
|  +---2009 - Beggars
|  \---2011 - Major-Minor
+---Tool
|  +---1996 - Aenima
|  +---2000 - Salival
|  \---2006 - 10,000 Days
+---UB40
|  \---1987 - The Best Of UB40 Vol. 1
+---Unwritten Law
|  +---1996 - Oz Factor
|  +---1998 - Unwritten Law
|  +---2002 - Elva
|  +---2003 - Music In High Places
|  +---2005 - Here's To The Mourning
|  +---2008 - Live And Lawless
|  \---2011 - Swan
+---Van Morrison
|  \---1990 - The Best Of Van Morrison
+---Various Artists
|  +---1980 - The Blues Brothers - Music From The Soundtrack
|  +---1988 - Good Morning, Vietnam
|  +---1994 - Natural Born Killers Soundtrack
|  +---1998 - Chef Aid- The South Park Album
|  +---1999 - Fat Music Volume III - Physical Fatness
|  +---1999 - Fat Music Volume IV - Life in the Fat Lane
|  +---2001 - Floyd ...And Out Come The Teeth
|  +---2001 - Forrest Gump - The Soundtrack - Disc 1
|  +---2001 - Forrest Gump - The Soundtrack - Disc 2
|  +---2004 - Rock Against Bush Vol. 1
|  +---2004 - Rock Against Bush Vol. 2
|  \---2005 - Switcheroo Series
+---Vicious Hairy Mary
|  \---1999 - Orchestra Phantasma
+---Weezer
|  +---1994 - The Blue Album
|  +---1996 - Pinkerton
|  +---2001 - The Green Album
|  +---2002 - Maladroit
|  +---2005 - Make Believe
|  \---2008 - Red Album
+---White Zombie
|  \---1996 - Supersexy Swingin' Sounds
+---Whitesnake
|  \---1994 - Greatest Hits
+---Yellowcard
|  +---2003 - Ocean Avenue
|  +---2006 - Lights and Sounds
|  +---2007 - Paper Walls
|  +---2011 - When You're Through Thinking Say Yes
|  +---2011 - When You're Through Thinking, Say Yes (Acoustic)
|  \---2012 - Southern Air
\---Zebrahead
   +---1998 - Waste Of Mind
   \---2000 - Playmate Of The Year
This is 8047 wave files, mainly rock music.

-The Results-

Compression %


Size GB


-Raw Results-
Code: [Select]
Codec				  GB	     Compression
WAV 293.36 100.00%
FLAKE -0 215.40 73.42%
FLAKE r264 -0 214.90 73.25%
FLAC -0 212.42 72.41%
SHORTEN 212.02 72.27%
FLAKE -1 208.37 71.03%
FLAKE r264 -1 208.05 70.92%
FLAKE -2 208.02 70.91%
FLAC -1 207.16 70.62%
FLAKE r264 -2 206.72 70.47%
FLAC -2 206.64 70.44%
FLAC -3 202.06 68.88%
FLAKE r264 -3 202.03 68.87%
WMA 199.99 68.17%
WAVPACK -F 198.78 67.76%
ALAC 197.96 67.48%
FLAKE -6 196.94 67.13%
FLAKE -3 196.59 67.01%
FLAC -4 196.14 66.86%
FLAKE -7 195.93 66.79%
FLAKE -4 195.91 66.78%
FLAKE -5 195.79 66.74%
FLAKE r264 -4 195.79 66.74%
FLAKE r264 -5 195.76 66.73%
FLAKE r264 -6 195.76 66.73%
FLAKE r264 -7 195.74 66.72%
FLAC -5 195.73 66.72%
FLAC -6 195.72 66.72%
FLAKE -8 195.48 66.64%
FLAC -7 195.47 66.63%
FLAKE r264 -8 195.29 66.57%
FLAKE -9 195.25 66.56%
FLAKE -10 195.23 66.55%
WAVPACK 195.20 66.54%
FLAKE r264 -9 195.14 66.52%
FLAKE r264 -10 195.13 66.52%
FLAC -8 195.06 66.49%
FLAKE -11 194.79 66.40%
FLAKE -12 194.76 66.39%
TTA 194.69 66.37%
FLAKE r264 -11 194.46 66.29%
FLAKE r264 -12 194.45 66.28%
MONKEYS AUDIO FAST 193.80 66.06%
WAVPACK -H 193.21 65.86%
TAKC -P1 192.80 65.72%
WAVPACK -HH 192.41 65.59%
WAVPACK -HHX6 191.74 65.36%
OPTIMFROG FAST 191.16 65.16%
TAKC -P2 191.00 65.11%
MONKEYS AUDIO NORMAL 190.67 65.00%
TAKC -P3 190.11 64.81%
MONKEYS AUDIO HIGH 189.98 64.76%
TAKC -P4 189.76 64.68%
TAKC -P4M 189.49 64.59%
OPTIMFROG NORMAL 189.36 64.55%
OPTIMFROG HIGH 188.85 64.37%
MONKEYS AUDIO EXTRA HIGH 188.77 64.35%
OPTIMFROG EXTRA 188.60 64.29%
OPTIMFROG BEST 188.43 64.23%
MONKEYS AUDIO INSANE 188.23 64.16%
LA 187.30 63.85%
OPTIMFROG HIGHNEW 187.10 63.78%
OPTIMFROG EXTRANEW 186.91 63.71%
LA -HIGH 186.73 63.65%
OPTIMFROG BESTNEW 186.46 63.56%

Ok thats it, no more. I managed to get a power cut with the SAC encode so i have axed it from the test. I'll ask a mod to C&P from this post in to the 1st post.
Who are you and how did you get in here ?
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  • eahm
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A_Man_Eating_Duck, awesome work, thank you.

  • Porcus
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Reply #84
Ok thats it, no more. I managed to get a power cut with the SAC encode so i have axed it from the test.


:-/  There went the news value. Not that anyone would actually use the thing though.

  • _m²_
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Reply #85
@Wombat:
I don't remember really, but I think it was sb. else.
2 A_Man_Eating_Duck:
Nice. Frankly, I didn't believe you would have the patience to finish the test.
Respect.
  • Last Edit: 23 October, 2012, 02:42:03 PM by _m²_

  • Wombat
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Reply #86
Yes, much work such things are, so thanks duck eater. Now i only miss CUEtools FlacCL/libflake -8 (higher levels are not completely integrated) and CUEtools libALAC at highest level
  • Last Edit: 23 October, 2012, 05:39:09 PM by Wombat
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With 24bit music you can listen to silence much louder!

  • Destroid
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Reply #87
First, big thanks to A_Man_Eating_Duck for running this test.

Admittedly, though, I'd weigh-in speed benchmarks but these results show the overall compression power. Since many of these CD's do not compress as well as other music (i.e. classical and jazz) the results could be regarded as the lesser expectation of size reduction by the encoders (but obviously not the worst cases).

I wonder why bother adding Optimfrog or settings like wavpack --xx6² at all.

I respect that OptimFrog has extremely good compression and 32-bit float support. Kudos to Florian.

I also wanted to retract a statement I made in my previous post that WavPack -hhx6 was seemingly not for "practical use." My reference was regarding files frequently accessed/decompressed. I overlooked that -x# modes in WavPack do not have additional decompression penalties beyond -hh (i.e. my old Athlon64 3000+ decodes files -hh thru -hhx6 at 45x stereo, 70x-100x mono [44KHz 32-bit float]). Apologies to all (especially David)!

P.S. l ran tests on WavPack vs. OFR ratio and encode/decode speeds but I omitted the results here since the files are 32-bit float (44KHz) and maybe not relevant to this thread.
"Something bothering you, Mister Spock?"

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Reply #88
Ok thats it, no more. I managed to get a power cut with the SAC encode so i have axed it from the test.


:-/  There went the news value. Not that anyone would actually use the thing though.

I apologize for the lack of news for you.....but wait what's this?

.

I won't add this to the graphs though since my trial version of office 2010 expired.

Who are you and how did you get in here ?
I'm a locksmith, I'm a locksmith.

  • Destroid
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Reply #89
Your vigilance is admirable  especially since I didn't really see the point in a format with nearly zero external support. Perhaps it will be more interesting than anticipated.

By the way, have you any deductions or observations you would like to share by your experience for having run this experiment? Such as: any codecs you found appreciable, convenient, or more interesting since starting this?

And did I say "thanks" yet?
"Something bothering you, Mister Spock?"

  • bryant
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Reply #90
I also wanted to retract a statement I made in my previous post that WavPack -hhx6 was seemingly not for "practical use." My reference was regarding files frequently accessed/decompressed. I overlooked that -x# modes in WavPack do not have additional decompression penalties beyond -hh (i.e. my old Athlon64 3000+ decodes files -hh thru -hhx6 at 45x stereo, 70x-100x mono [44KHz 32-bit float]). Apologies to all (especially David)!

No apologies needed! I did see that post of yours, but since you didn’t specifically say that -x6 made the decode slower, I left it alone (but I wondered if you thought that).

The non-x modes are tuned for regular music audio so there’s usually not much improvement (like in this test), but in some cases it can make a big difference, and I believe that it makes WavPack the only lossless compressor that can be classed as both symmetrical and asymmetrical (I don’t know enough about TAK encoding to know if it is as well).

Also, many thanks to A_Man_Eating_Duck for running this test and including WavPack (and -hhx6!)...we should all chip in to help with his electric bill! 

  • _m²_
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Reply #91
The non-x modes are tuned for regular music audio so there's usually not much improvement (like in this test), but in some cases it can make a big difference, and I believe that it makes WavPack the only lossless compressor that can be classed as both symmetrical and asymmetrical (I don't know enough about TAK encoding to know if it is as well).

OptimFrog is also both symmetric and asymmetric because of --optimize and --maximumcompression switches.
TAK is always asymmetric.
  • Last Edit: 24 October, 2012, 05:27:18 PM by _m²_

  • Destroid
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Reply #92
True enough.

Other observations in my (stereo float) test were: WavPack -hh was slightly less reduction compared to OptimFrog (OFF) normal; WavPack -hhx3 reduced the same as OFF normal; and WavPack -hhx4 thru -hhx6 reduced progressively (if slightly) better than OFF normal.

Of course, OFF --high easily beats WavPack -hhx6, but the difference was WavPack -hh thru -hhx6 decompressed over twice as fast as OFF normal (45x vs. 20x), and three times faster than OFF --high (14x). Hence, my retraction for confusing WavPack -x modes having decompression speed penalties.

I might try --optimize modes but probably using --fast and --normal, at least, for the system I ran my test as higher modes decompress too slow for my preference.
Note: OFF --bestnew encoded at 1.47x and decoded at 2.18x (OFF doesn't have -maximumcompression option). I'm not sure if OFF --bestnew triggers any --optimize switches.

Will SAC have atrocious decompression speeds? My gut feeling is "yes."
  • Last Edit: 24 October, 2012, 09:41:00 PM by Destroid
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  • _m²_
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Reply #93
ofr 4.910b does have  a --maximumcompression switch. If you use an older version, I recommend that you make a switch as this one is stronger in all modes that I tried.
Mode and optimize are independent options, I think entirely orthogonal.
You may try --fast --optimize best --experimental. Despite the name, --experimental is probably as solid as any codecs out there. I did verify it's decompression for my use and I recommend it to others too, but I never found a problem...of codecs that I used a lot only TAK and wavpack were as good.

And your feelings about sac are absolutely correct, it decompresses extremely slowly.

  • Destroid
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Thanks for the info _m²_. I think I will try the --optimize --experimental switch combinations, although I will probably have to begin a new test since I read that the latter switch was helpful in reducing CD material. The testing I conducted and reported about consisted mostly of mono files.

I was using v4.910b, the difference being OFR has --maximumcompression but OFF does not, nor does OFF have the --experimental switch.

In short- after the start of this thread I had been working on a CoolEdit project and was curious about OptimFrog float (I used WavPack for float mostly for its FLT plug-in). Although not necessarily in-line with the OP's aims, it does qualify as a "lossless compression test," so I decided to include the results below for those interested (maybe David would be  ).
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WavPack
WvUnpack      Mono set 1                Mono set 2                  Stereo
v4.60.1  encode  decode  ratio    encode  decode  ratio  encode  decode  ratio
-------  -------- -------- ------  -------- -------- ------  ------- ------- ------
-f      103.68x  143.17x  33.03%  112.85x  176.70x  41.92%  54.50x  88.44x  32.65%
default  82.50x  123.00x  33.77%    84.72x  136.34x  44.46%  44.99x  74.16x  34.92%
-h        57.57x  91.11x  34.05%    59.69x  100.97x  44.65%  33.73x  57.19x  35.74%
-hh      44.29x  76.22x  34.31%    46.47x  83.93x  44.87%  27.26x  45.39x  36.00%
-hhx3    11.22x  77.09x  34.38%    11.93x  88.93x  46.61%    7.96x  45.63x  36.66%
-hhx4      3.57x  70.46x  34.42%    3.90x  89.52x  46.61%    1.73x  45.47x  36.81%
-hhx6      1.67x  71.58x  34.43%    2.00x  100.59x  46.80%    0.73x  45.39x  36.86%


OFF            Mono set 1              Mono set 2                Stereo
v4.910b  encode  decode  ratio  encode  decode  ratio  encode  decode  ratio
-------  ------- -------- ------  ------- ------- ------  ------- ------- ------
fast      42.04x  56.96x  34.82%  42.97x  59.90x  49.05%  20.47x  25.86x  34.31%
normal    33.30x  44.29x  35.08%  33.19x  45.84x  49.24%  15.34x  20.06x  36.62%
high      23.56x  31.66x  35.20%  23.32x  32.19x  49.33%  10.86x  14.30x  37.22%
extra    16.60x  22.03x  35.27%  16.42x  22.47x  49.35%    7.56x  10.02x  37.27%
best      20.20x  13.46x  35.34%  10.03x  13.55x  49.35%    4.68x  6.20x  37.33%
highnew    8.44x  12.61x  35.67%    8.40x  12.29x  49.52%    3.40x  4.77x  37.33%
extranew  6.42x  10.36x  35.74%    6.40x  9.65x  49.52%    2.69x  3.85%  37.37%
bestnew    3.58x  5.96x  35.89%    3.56x  5.56x  49.53%    1.47x  2.18x  37.47%


Files:
44KHz 32 bit float, mono (single-instument tracks) & stereo mixes, rock genre
  Mono set 1 = full range instruments
  Mono set 2 = low-frequency instruments
  Stereo = multi-instrument mixes

Specs:
Athlon64 3000+ (2.00 GHz single core), 2GB RAM (DDR2 400MHz), Hitachi 2.0TB HDD
"Something bothering you, Mister Spock?"

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Reply #95
Sac --fast is done. it encoded at about x1.5 so it's pretty much unusable.

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SAC –FAST                       189.46           64.58%
So on the table it looks like this
Code: [Select]
Codec				  GB	     Compression
WAV 293.36 100.00%
FLAKE -0 215.40 73.42%
FLAKE r264 -0 214.90 73.25%
FLAC -0 212.42 72.41%
SHORTEN 212.02 72.27%
FLAKE -1 208.37 71.03%
FLAKE r264 -1 208.05 70.92%
FLAKE -2 208.02 70.91%
FLAC -1 207.16 70.62%
FLAKE r264 -2 206.72 70.47%
FLAC -2 206.64 70.44%
FLAC -3 202.06 68.88%
FLAKE r264 -3 202.03 68.87%
WMA 199.99 68.17%
WAVPACK -F 198.78 67.76%
ALAC 197.96 67.48%
FLAKE -6 196.94 67.13%
FLAKE -3 196.59 67.01%
FLAC -4 196.14 66.86%
FLAKE -7 195.93 66.79%
FLAKE -4 195.91 66.78%
FLAKE -5 195.79 66.74%
FLAKE r264 -4 195.79 66.74%
FLAKE r264 -5 195.76 66.73%
FLAKE r264 -6 195.76 66.73%
FLAKE r264 -7 195.74 66.72%
FLAC -5 195.73 66.72%
FLAC -6 195.72 66.72%
FLAKE -8 195.48 66.64%
FLAC -7 195.47 66.63%
FLAKE r264 -8 195.29 66.57%
FLAKE -9 195.25 66.56%
FLAKE -10 195.23 66.55%
WAVPACK 195.20 66.54%
FLAKE r264 -9 195.14 66.52%
FLAKE r264 -10 195.13 66.52%
FLAC -8 195.06 66.49%
FLAKE -11 194.79 66.40%
FLAKE -12 194.76 66.39%
TTA 194.69 66.37%
FLAKE r264 -11 194.46 66.29%
FLAKE r264 -12 194.45 66.28%
MONKEYS AUDIO FAST 193.80 66.06%
WAVPACK -H 193.21 65.86%
TAKC -P1 192.80 65.72%
WAVPACK -HH 192.41 65.59%
WAVPACK -HHX6 191.74 65.36%
OPTIMFROG FAST 191.16 65.16%
TAKC -P2 191.00 65.11%
MONKEYS AUDIO NORMAL 190.67 65.00%
TAKC -P3 190.11 64.81%
MONKEYS AUDIO HIGH 189.98 64.76%
TAKC -P4 189.76 64.68%
TAKC -P4M 189.49 64.59%
SAC –FAST 189.46 64.58%
OPTIMFROG NORMAL 189.36 64.55%
OPTIMFROG HIGH 188.85 64.37%
MONKEYS AUDIO EXTRA HIGH 188.77 64.35%
OPTIMFROG EXTRA 188.60 64.29%
OPTIMFROG BEST 188.43 64.23%
MONKEYS AUDIO INSANE 188.23 64.16%
LA 187.30 63.85%
OPTIMFROG HIGHNEW 187.10 63.78%
OPTIMFROG EXTRANEW 186.91 63.71%
LA -HIGH 186.73 63.65%
OPTIMFROG BESTNEW 186.46 63.56%
Who are you and how did you get in here ?
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  • Porcus
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Reply #96
Sac --fast is done. it encoded at about x1.5 so it's pretty much unusable.


That is slower than everything else you have tested, including LA -high and all the froggies?

BTW, anyone: what is the “slowest codec/setting in use”?

  • pablogm123
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Reply #97
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WavPack
WvUnpack      Mono set 1                Mono set 2                  Stereo
v4.60.1  encode  decode  ratio    encode  decode  ratio  encode  decode  ratio
-------  -------- -------- ------  -------- -------- ------  ------- ------- ------
-f      103.68x  143.17x  33.03%  112.85x  176.70x  41.92%  54.50x  88.44x  32.65%
default  82.50x  123.00x  33.77%    84.72x  136.34x  44.46%  44.99x  74.16x  34.92%
-h        57.57x  91.11x  34.05%    59.69x  100.97x  44.65%  33.73x  57.19x  35.74%
-hh      44.29x  76.22x  34.31%    46.47x  83.93x  44.87%  27.26x  45.39x  36.00%
-hhx3    11.22x  77.09x  34.38%    11.93x  88.93x  46.61%    7.96x  45.63x  36.66%
-hhx4      3.57x  70.46x  34.42%    3.90x  89.52x  46.61%    1.73x  45.47x  36.81%
-hhx6      1.67x  71.58x  34.43%    2.00x  100.59x  46.80%    0.73x  45.39x  36.86%


OFF            Mono set 1              Mono set 2                Stereo
v4.910b  encode  decode  ratio  encode  decode  ratio  encode  decode  ratio
-------  ------- -------- ------  ------- ------- ------  ------- ------- ------
fast      42.04x  56.96x  34.82%  42.97x  59.90x  49.05%  20.47x  25.86x  34.31%
normal    33.30x  44.29x  35.08%  33.19x  45.84x  49.24%  15.34x  20.06x  36.62%
high      23.56x  31.66x  35.20%  23.32x  32.19x  49.33%  10.86x  14.30x  37.22%
extra    16.60x  22.03x  35.27%  16.42x  22.47x  49.35%    7.56x  10.02x  37.27%
best      20.20x  13.46x  35.34%  10.03x  13.55x  49.35%    4.68x  6.20x  37.33%
highnew    8.44x  12.61x  35.67%    8.40x  12.29x  49.52%    3.40x  4.77x  37.33%
extranew  6.42x  10.36x  35.74%    6.40x  9.65x  49.52%    2.69x  3.85%  37.37%
bestnew    3.58x  5.96x  35.89%    3.56x  5.56x  49.53%    1.47x  2.18x  37.47%


Files:
44KHz 32 bit float, mono (single-instument tracks) & stereo mixes, rock genre
  Mono set 1 = full range instruments
  Mono set 2 = low-frequency instruments
  Stereo = multi-instrument mixes

Specs:
Athlon64 3000+ (2.00 GHz single core), 2GB RAM (DDR2 400MHz), Hitachi 2.0TB HDD

Your information is very useful to me, because I will start a project to dump Saturn/PS1/Mega-CD games, and wavpack is the codec I have selected to compress the audio part of those discs, mainly due to wavpack accept raw PCM audio files as input in a easy way, no exotic command lines nor adding a RIFF header required. I had many doubts about the -hhxn mode I would run, but now I will -hh, because -hhxn takes a lot of extra time, and ratio is very slightly better, but that ratio isn't worth the extra time required to encode.

  • Destroid
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Reply #98
Sac --fast is done. it encoded at about x1.5 so it's pretty much unusable.

If the higher modes of SAC scale similarly to other encoders it might be the compression winner, except maybe OFR's extended switches. However it seems much to slow in its current state and severely lacks third-party support to recommend using it.

BTW, anyone: what is the “slowest codec/setting in use”?

I am not sure who uses OFR's highest settings, but I do not see the point in using any setting higher than default/normal (and maybe --high on a fast machine). I would tend to look towards WavPack -hh / -hhx# (or TAK -p3 thru -p4m) based on the two criteria of filesize reduction vs. decompression performance.


Your information is very useful to me, because I will start a project to dump Saturn/PS1/Mega-CD games, and wavpack is the codec I have selected to compress the audio part of those discs, mainly due to wavpack accept raw PCM audio files as input in a easy way, no exotic command lines nor adding a RIFF header required. I had many doubts about the -hhxn mode I would run, but now I will -hh, because -hhxn takes a lot of extra time, and ratio is very slightly better, but that ratio isn't worth the extra time required to encode.

My test results are based on a studio tracks and mixes, of which the material tends to favor all lossless codecs (similar to first pressings of CD's prior to the 1990's). I am not too familiar with the format and music content of those game discs (I have a sneaking hunch it might not be Redbook CD format) but I think trying different modes (like -h or the default setting) may be worthwhile given the additional encoding time for relatively small gains.
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  • _m²_
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Reply #99
BTW, anyone: what is the "slowest codec/setting in use"?

I am not sure who uses OFR's highest settings, but I do not see the point in using any setting higher than default/normal (and maybe --high on a fast machine). I would tend to look towards WavPack -hh / -hhx# (or TAK -p3 thru -p4m) based on the two criteria of filesize reduction vs. decompression performance.

ofr --maximumcompression was far too slow for my Pentium 4, so I settled on bestnew, optimize best, experimental. I have lots of it now, I intend to recompress it to wavpack (hhx6), but I don't have time for it.
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