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Reply #75
You can hardly blame them. Some mastering engineers are 100% honest about what they do, and audiophile people turn their noses up at it. Same processes and results from other engineers, but because they claim to have done none of these "dirty" things, audiophile people praise them.


Yes, I've seen lately a lot of skepticism about the very process of mastering when it boils down to it. Some vehemently hate the idea of compression, some seem to think virtually everything sounds artificially bright, that original Japanese Dark Side of the Moon is supposed to be so grand because it's allegedly a completely flat digitization of the tape (copy) the company had, as if it was perfect after mixing and mastering would just ruin it. There are indeed bad masterings and destructive practices, but some people really want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

It occurs to me that I own a number of MFSL CDs....and in a few cases I also have 'standard issue' versions to compare to.  For many, I don't.  Perhaps we could crowd source this, and test lore against data.  For a given MFSL mastering, decide on a track to compare, and generate a frequency plot for the MFSL and other versions, using a standard FFT setting. I would use Audition to do this; don't know what other applications are out there...


This is a fantastic idea!

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Reply #76
Sean Magee has confirmed today that the vinyl is cut from unlimited 24-bit/44.1 kHz files, not 96 kHz as previously believed.

Read his comments here:
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http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=8238940&postcount=585

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Reply #77
Sean Magee has confirmed today that the vinyl is cut from unlimited 24-bit/44.1 kHz files, not 96 kHz as previously believed.

Read his comments here:
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http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=8238940&postcount=585



I'm having fun reading... That forum is full of analog-beatle extremists... no matter if God himself tell them that 44.1 KHz are good enough, they'll keep asking for 24/192 'hirez' transfers. or even 'full analogue remastering'.


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Reply #78
It could have been cut from 16/44.1 and no one would have been the wiser.
13 February 2016: The world was blessed with the passing of a truly vile and wretched person.

Your eyes cannot hear.

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Reply #79
Sean Magee has confirmed today that the vinyl is cut from unlimited 24-bit/44.1 kHz files, not 96 kHz as previously believed.
The perfect way of releasing unlimited 44.1kHz files isn't via vinyl.

It could have been cut from 16/44.1 and no one would have been the wiser.
No audible difference, but unless you filtered it out the 16-bit noise shaped dither might be detectable on a vinyl pressing using spectral analysis. It's trivially easy to see on the CDs, because there's often little else around 20kHz.

Cheers,
David.
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Reply #80
I'm having fun reading... That forum is full of analog-beatle extremists... no matter if God himself tell them that 44.1 KHz are good enough, they'll keep asking for 24/192 'hirez' transfers. or even 'full analogue remastering'.
...and meanwhile there are people posting who can't even spot the difference between fake and real stereo (!!!!!!!!!!), and people posting who can't hear that the USB Apple has just the same peak limiting as the CDs. Not to mention that people don't realise that when you see 48kHz coming off an LP, it's mostly (if not completely) distortion. (I can get 48kHz music-related signals off my 78s - even acoustic ones - but I'm not daft enough to believe that they're a representation of anything in the recording room).

But 24-bits clearly sounds better than 16-bits, higher sample rates are better, and all-analogue is better still.

It's amazing what differences people hear when they're told about them!

Cheers,
David.
  • Last Edit: 14 November, 2012, 08:29:17 AM by 2Bdecided

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Reply #81
It seems many of the copies sold in the US have pressing problems.

Gee, if only they could invent an audio format where minute differences in the manufacturing process didn't have an impact on the actual sound...



Cheers,
David.

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Reply #82
Looks like the quality control guys at Rainbo Records were on holiday.

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Reply #83
warped vinyl
lots of clicks and pops
scratches
weird constant noises
non-fills (still not sure what it is)
inner groove distortion
pre-echo or print trhough
off-center labels
dirt
fingerprints

Some of the problems reported thus far....

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Reply #84
warped vinyl
lots of clicks and pops
scratches
weird constant noises
non-fills (still not sure what it is)
inner groove distortion
pre-echo or print trhough
off-center labels
dirt
fingerprints

Some of the problems reported thus far....


Sounds like your usual vinyl record!
Ed Seedhouse
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Reply #85
non-fills (still not sure what it is)
It's where the vinyl doesn't fill the mould during manufacture, so the top of the grooves are incomplete. If the problem stretches down into the part of the groove in contact with the stylus, you get very strange and nasty sounds.

(never experienced it myself, but it has its own wikipedia article!)


Sounds like your usual vinyl record!
Not new ones that retail at $20! Though as someone pointed out, it's really cute that they've reproduced one of the aspects of the original 1960s Beatles vinyl releases: the ones in the UK are decent quality, while the ones in America are really shoddy.

EDIT: From the comments on the Fremer review comes this sample of what a faulty US pressing sounds like...
http://www.mediafire.com/file/txpqlv3qa1ftry7/SAMPLE.mp3
!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,
David.
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Reply #86
The guy who remastered the Beatles vinyl quotes the HA wiki over on the SH forums...
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/beat...12#post-8261615




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Reply #87
The guy who remastered the Beatles vinyl quotes the HA wiki over on the SH forums...
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/beat...12#post-8261615



Some guy just said:

"Given the lack of basic understanding of vinyl and the gross misinformed prejudices against vinyl prevalent at Hydrogen Audio I would suggest you use references with at least some credibility here. Not saying you are wrong but you are not going to help your case using such ridiculously bad references."


     

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Reply #88
Just an FYI:
That some guy is a disgruntled HA member who is no longer allowed to post due to repeated trolling.  From his posts here he's hardly demonstrated any technical acumen to level such an opinion and be taken seriously.

The funny thing is that there is nothing legitimately controversial about what was quoted and he essentially left himself an out, making the post look even more foolish.
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Reply #89
Some guy just said:

"Given the lack of basic understanding of vinyl and the gross misinformed prejudices against vinyl prevalent at Hydrogen Audio I would suggest you use references with at least some credibility here. Not saying you are wrong but you are not going to help your case using such ridiculously bad references."


 



Of course. Hydrogenaudio is a place where they require blind tests before you can claim that anything is better than anything else, but the darn fathersuckers over there won't accept that vinyl is better even when they finally have accepted that you can blindly tell the LP from the CD!!!!!!!elevenhundredandeleven

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Reply #90
The guy who remastered the Beatles vinyl quotes the HA wiki over on the SH forums...
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/beat...12#post-8261615




Yeah, but some of what third is saying is itself strange...or else I'm just not parsing his words right (he says he's dyslexic, so maybe his writing isn't reflecting his views well).  To wit, answering whether  "when these higher resolution files are properly downsampled and dithered to Reed Book [sic] standard do they sound exactly like the originals?"  he writes

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192/24 down to 44.1 16bit pcm? no they wouldn't, if this was done digitally, with noise shaping etc, how could it. If the conversion to 44.1 from 192 was done in the analog domain...ie analog eq, that would be a different kettle of fish.


and in the middle of one his answers, this startling claim appears:

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As for all analog, there is no doubt that this is superior to digital.


I'm glad he's countering some of the usual Hoffman forum nonsense, but is he making coherent sense?



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Reply #91
There's a reason I don't read too many discussions on forums like sh.
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Reply #92
is he making coherent sense?
Maybe not, but by saying 44.1kHz was enough to master vinyl, he was a counter-cultural revolutionary over on the SHF .

I do enjoy the Fremer reviews - once he heard it was 44.1kHz, you knew he was going to hate the whole lot. He didn't really need to play them

It's a funny old world.

Cheers,
David.

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Reply #93
I do enjoy the Fremer reviews - once he heard it was 44.1kHz, you knew he was going to hate the whole lot. He didn't really need to play them



I learn from that Hoffman thread that Fremer started out as a standup comic....to me, he's still one
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Reply #94
I do enjoy the Fremer reviews - once he heard it was 44.1kHz, you knew he was going to hate the whole lot. He didn't really need to play them



I learn from that Hoffman thread that Fremer started out as a standup comic....to me, he's still one



I enjoyed his review of Sgt. Pepper, he says this could be the best or at least one of the best releases of Sgt. Pepper ever.