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  • Kohlrabi
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Reply #25
In that order
  • Direct download from artist
  • Bandcamp
  • CD

I avoid big stores like Amazon or iTunes for the vanishing payouts artists get from sales there.
It's only audiophile if it's inconvenient.

  • skamp
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Reply #26
I avoid big stores like Amazon or iTunes for the vanishing payouts artists get from sales there.


Actually artists may make more money out of iTunes album sales than from retail CD sales.
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  • Kohlrabi
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Reply #27
Actually artists may make more money out of iTunes album sales than from retail CD sales.

It seems to strongly depend on the actual royalty deal, and whether you buy directly from iTunes or a reseller. The table is also kind of confusing since they put single track sales in there too. At least it is quite clear that Spotify and the like are really bad for artist revenues. Though this fact isn't that one dimensional, since Spotify can raise awareness and popularity, which in turn can lead to higher revenue in CD/digital sales. You also cannot really compare big label to small label to no label artists?
  • Last Edit: 19 June, 2012, 07:17:43 AM by Kohlrabi
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Reply #28
1. Spotify, Youtube, illegal downloads
2. Digital releases from artists, Bandcamp and other means that get more money directly to the creators
3. Amazon
4. CD for everything else

I only keep physical media of my personal favourites and get rid of everything else. No need to fill my shelfs with plastic.
At the end of the day small artists should get the money they need, while big sellers do fine either way.

Haven't used a CD player in quite a while.
  • Last Edit: 19 June, 2012, 08:33:01 AM by onkl

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Reply #29
CDs all the way.

Wife & I also have a pretty impressive vinyl collection but mainly of stuff we can't find on cd and even more likely to satisfy some sense of aesthetic.

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Reply #30
There are plenty of retailers offering FLAC downloads. I often frequent these. I also like Bandcamp. My ideal state is downloading an artist's music then shooting him money directly via eg. PayPal.

I refuse to pay for lossy media. I'm not a big fan of physical media. FLAC downloads -> happy Canar.
  • Last Edit: 19 June, 2012, 05:15:22 PM by Canar

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Reply #31
I searched around for FLAC downloads from artists I like and I was surprised to find some, but I like owning the CD.
FLAC -> JDS Labs ODAC/O2 -> Sennheiser HD 650

  • Brand
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Reply #32
http://www.cultofmac.com/38097/infographic...than-at-retail/

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for the vast majority of artists, iTunes gives them ... orders of magnitude more cash than any other digital music service out there.


That's not true. There are several cheaper than iTunes (for the artist) online stores out there (such as Bandcamp, for example).
iTunes might be cheaper than selling retail CDs, but when it comes to selling download tracks online, it's not that cheap at all.
  • Last Edit: 20 June, 2012, 04:57:23 AM by Brand

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Reply #33
Are there numbers breaking down how much a band/artist/label has to spend to get their latest single on the iTunes Store vs. other services such as Amazon mp3 or Bandcamp?  It would be interesting to actually see the numbers instead of getting into a "yes hu" and "nu uh" kind of argument.

  • Porcus
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Reply #34
- new CDs
- download-from-artist (e.g. Bandcamp).


Actually, I also try to buy my CDs primarily from the artist. If I plan to attend a concert in support of a new album, I often deliberately avoid buying it in advance, hoping that the $$s I pay for it at the concert will go into the musicians' pockets. (Which may fail, depending on the record contract, but at least there is a fair chance that I pay the bands a couple of beers to share.)

  • Brand
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Reply #35
Are there numbers breaking down how much a band/artist/label has to spend to get their latest single on the iTunes Store vs. other services such as Amazon mp3 or Bandcamp?

Bandcamp has their pricing explained in detail and it comes to 15% (or 10%) of the sale price plus the Paypal fee and you can sell directly.
Some others don't explain it so clearly, but if you do a quick search you'll find that iTunes takes 30% of the sale price. In addition to that, you have to go through a label/distributer to be able to sell on iTunes. How much they charge depends, some charge a fixed yearly rate, some do a certain %. It's the same for Amazon. I don't know if either of these has some Paypal or credit card fees for receiving payments, I think those get handled through the distributer.
Google takes 30% plus a one time $25 to sign up and you can sell directly. Payments go through Google Checkout and I don't know if there are additional fees involved there.

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Reply #36
By the way: recently I started buying at eClassical 16bit FLAC albums by BIS label and verifying a couple of them with XLD AccurateRip verify function, they actually appear to come from accurately ripped CDs, or at least the tracks are taken directly from the same master.
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  • Porcus
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Reply #37
BIS is a label who frequently employs pre-emphasis ( http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=796949 ), so I am curious whether you encounter some way-too-bright recordings that way?

  • Nessuno
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Reply #38
BIS is a label who frequently employs pre-emphasis ( http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=796949 ), so I am curious whether you encounter some way-too-bright recordings that way?

Fast answer: I wasn't aware of this issue and all I can say is that subjectively I'm very pleased with their overall sound quality.

This label seems even to have a certain audiophile pleasing inclination, for example in reporting the equipments used in recording sessions (you know, Neumann mikes, Studer consoles and all that stuff...) in the CD booklet (which BTW you can download  as a pdf together with the tracks, and that's definitely a plus when buying music on-line!  )
I have also a Fagius Bach recording by BIS and, by memory, the organ sounds quite "full bodied".

Anyway I'll investigate further...
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  • Porcus
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Reply #39
I have also a Fagius Bach recording by BIS and, by memory, the organ sounds quite "full bodied".


Care to post the AccurateRip ID and CRC's?

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Reply #40
I have also a Fagius Bach recording by BIS and, by memory, the organ sounds quite "full bodied".

Care to post the AccurateRip ID and CRC's?
This is the album. Not found by XLD in AR db, anyway here there are the CRCs of each track from ReplayGain album scanning.

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XLD ReplayGain scanning logfile

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       3  | 09:10:15 | 04:19:00 |    41265    |    60689 
       4  | 13:29:15 | 03:52:72 |    60690    |    78161 
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       6  | 22:35:05 | 04:16:07 |    101630    |  120836 
       7  | 26:51:12 | 03:56:68 |    120837    |  138604 
       8  | 30:48:05 | 03:27:00 |    138605    |  154129 
       9  | 34:15:05 | 02:40:10 |    154130    |  166139 
       10  | 36:55:15 | 01:56:60 |    166140    |  174899 
       11  | 38:52:00 | 03:28:42 |    174900    |  190541 
       12  | 42:20:42 | 06:46:63 |    190542    |  221054 
       13  | 49:07:30 | 04:03:22 |    221055    |  239301 
       14  | 53:10:52 | 03:31:35 |    239302    |  255161 
       15  | 56:42:12 | 01:42:63 |    255162    |  262874 
       16  | 58:25:00 | 02:31:37 |    262875    |  274236 
       17  | 60:56:37 | 02:17:38 |    274237    |  284549 
       18  | 63:14:00 | 01:13:37 |    284550    |  290061 
       19  | 64:27:37 | 02:40:68 |    290062    |  302129 
       20  | 67:08:30 | 06:42:65 |    302130    |  332344 
       21  | 73:51:20 | 07:24:55 |    332345    |  365699 

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Track 01
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... I live by long distance.

  • Porcus
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Reply #41
This is the album. Not found by XLD in AR db, anyway here there are the CRCs of each track


I have the complete organ works, not that compilation CD. Just checked the two first tracks (the 565) and the durations don't match (2:49.493 (7 474 656 samples) and 6:16.507 (16 603 944 samples)), and neither do the ReplayGain figures (which, by the way, change only .1 dB if I switch pre-emphasis on or off).

So, obviously a different master. Which isn't bad news.

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Reply #42
So, obviously a different master. Which isn't bad news.

Very likely, especially if you have the Brilliant CD box.
This BIS album I have is a 2005 reissue of late '80 recordings: the BWV 565  is from february '88. Do the dates match, at least?
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Reply #43
So, obviously a different master. Which isn't bad news.

Very likely, especially if you have the Brilliant CD box.
This BIS album I have is a 2005 reissue of late '80 recordings: the BWV 565  is from february '88. Do the dates match, at least?


February 1988 is within the 1983–89 bracket stated on http://www.bis.se/people_info.php?pID=1623 . No date is given on my box, but the organ is: the Wahlberg organ in Fredrikskyrkan, Karlskrona. (Fagius gives some information on it in the liner notes.) The 17 CD box of mine seems to be the same master (apart from a likely different write offset) as the BIS original.

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Reply #44
the organ is: the Wahlberg organ in Fredrikskyrkan, Karlskrona. (Fagius gives some information on it in the liner notes.)

Exactly: The reconstructed 1764 Wahlberg organ of Fredrikskyrkan, Karlskrona, Sweden.
By the way: is there in those CDs a night and day difference between pre-emphasis on/off or more subtle (but still perceivable according to TOS#8 )?
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  • Porcus
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Reply #45
By the way: is there in those CDs a night and day difference between pre-emphasis on/off or more subtle (but still perceivable according to TOS#8 )?


Large, but remember you don't do ABX here, you just got X


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Reply #46
I still buy CDs, as cheaply as possible. I think I prefer the physical security of a CD over a download from a data retention perspective. It would be ugly but possible to rerip my entire physical collection, but would it really be possible to re-download all my online purchases? Would I even remember what I had and where I downloaded it from, is what I'm not so sure about.

I shop at garage sales, local music shops, thrift stores, from the artist, Discogs, Ebay, Amazon & occasionally, Bandcamp.
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