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  • zerowalker
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Reply #25
EMU 0404 probably won't be suitable to drive phones with low or middle impedance.
EMU cards have Zo 22 ohms and there is a rule of thumb "Zo should be less than 1/8 of Zphones". EMU cards are suitable to drive phones with impedance of 200 ohms and higher. 280pro has 64 ohms.



Don´t really know  what you mean, i don´t have any EMU cards;O
I use the Motherboard one currently, and have tried a Realtek one, sound the same, or atleast very close.

  • markanini
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Reply #26
Better add a Fiio E5 to your shopping list, until you have proper headphone output you'll be judging any headphone on a false premise.

  • tev777
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Reply #27
Turning up the volume will in fact make bass sound louder given how the equal loudness contours work, but a much better way to accomplish that is just using EQ.


I disagree. Any time you are using EQ you are changing the way the music was made to sound. I leave the EQ off. My desktop soundcard just doesn't have the power to drive the headphones to their full potential. Adding the amp to the chain solves that problem. I don't listen full blast, but with a little extra power I can hear everything top to bottom.
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  • xnor
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Reply #28
I disagree. Any time you are using EQ you are changing the way the music was made to sound. I leave the EQ off.

Any time you are using headphones or loudspeakers you are changing the way the music was made to sound. You can use an EQ to either equalize for that, or make it sound differently.
  • Last Edit: 08 May, 2012, 07:34:06 AM by xnor
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Reply #29
Okay so i bought the HD280 Pro as i read it was good, with accurate sound and such.
But i am not satisfied with it, the first is the pressure it gives, it´s like i am on the verge of getting a headache, but still not getting one.
Maybe it will disappear through use, maybe not.


You've got your choice - a good seal which implies a certain amount of pressure, or less bass.


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But more importantly, the sound.
even my Cheap AKG something, sound better with the bass.
Now i am not one who wants enormous bass or something, but you know, normal vibrations feeling kind of bass.
That gives you that feeling.

This just, sound like there is bass, but it isn´t there;S



?????????????????

There must be some pretty incredible boom boxes out there, because one thing that HD 280s don't lack is accurate bass.

Either that, or your source just plain can't deliver bass to a headphone load.


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I tried putting on some bass sound through the night, about 10 hours to see if there is any Burn In effect.
It does sound alot better than from when i first listened, cause then it was like a Tin Can or something.
But it still doesn´t give me that Real sound feeling.


Burn in is an audiophile myth.

HD280s sounding tinny says to me that something is horribly wrong with the rest of your system. Or the HD280s are fried in ways that I have never seen.


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sorry for bad explanation, maybe someone knows about these headphones?


I know about 280s, I know their general rep and I've personally bought over a half dozen.

Tinny bass with a reasonable source? Not in this universe!



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Reply #30
Better add a Fiio E5 to your shopping list, until you have proper headphone output you'll be judging any headphone on a false premise.


IME good advice. They also have a mild bass boost switch.

Can't beat the price. If you are integrating them with non-computer home audio, a cheap USB charger like is used with cell phones will keep them alive.

  • LithosZA
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Reply #31
Do you feel anything if you playback 'tone://30' on foobar2000?

  • tev777
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Reply #32
I disagree. Any time you are using EQ you are changing the way the music was made to sound. I leave the EQ off.

Any time you are using headphones or loudspeakers you are changing the way the music was made to sound. You can use an EQ to either equalize for that, or make it sound differently.


My diety, you guys love to split hairs. OK headphones change the sound, but without them you can't hear the sound. I prefer to change the sound as little as possible during playback (on Sundays, when the moon is full, in a room that is exactly 74 degrees Fahrenheit, with shoes and socks on).
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  • Ron Jones
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Reply #33
The HD380 appear to have moderately better bass response from what I can tell, without having done any blind tests, and don't exhibit as much clamping force as the HD280. I'm a longtime user and fan of the HD280, and the 380 are superior in my opinion.

That said, the HD380 is no bass monster either. That's a trait not commonly (ever?) seen in closed headphone designs, and I for one am extraordinarily thankful for that.

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Reply #34
I used to have HD280s. They had AMAZING bass if I held them to my ears. As soon as I let go, the bass went away. I experienced this with almost all headphones, which is why I gave up and got a set of Vandersteen 3A Signatures for the apartment. All the headphones I have tried with good bass have no bass if I do not push the cups to my ears, even the tight ones, and I don't have a pencil sized head. Try that and see what happens.

  • zerowalker
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Reply #35
Do i really need to have an Amplifier when i play on my computer?
Will it really make that much a difference;O?

I read about the ATH-M50 and one said he and a friend compared it to 280 after some burn in, and they immediatly noticed that the 280 lacked the Bass.

Anyone know if it´s better?
How is it for long time use?

And well the one i had before had very good sound, not over treble over anything. Good bass, and they were very comfortable, and they were closed.

Maybe the hd 280 god accurate bass, but if so it´s to Clear for me, i want bass to be bass, not just one punch and very crispy clear.

Thanks:)

  • Ron Jones
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Reply #36
In my opinion, no, it will not make much of a difference. The HD280 isn't going to give you the 'boomy' bass you want unless you find an amplifier that will severely color the output, and even then, it's not going to be able to really deliver what I think it is that you seem to want.

That's only my opinion.

  • zerowalker
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Reply #37
In my opinion, no, it will not make much of a difference. The HD280 isn't going to give you the 'boomy' bass you want unless you find an amplifier that will severely color the output, and even then, it's not going to be able to really deliver what I think it is that you seem to want.

That's only my opinion.



Well i don´t really want to change the sound through amplifiying. So don´t think that this is what i need then, maybe for better sound on a headphone i like later on.

But anyone know about the: Sony MDR-7510 - it seems to be very comfortable, but can´t find to much info;O

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Reply #38
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I read about the ATH-M50 and one said he and a friend compared it to 280 after some burn in...
Again, burn-in doesn't hurt anything (if done properly), but burn-in is nonsense! Do you really think these reputable manufacturers are making such an unstable/unreliable product that the sound changes after a few of hours burn-in???        How can they publish specs if the specs change after leaving the factory?  Why do audiophiles always hear an improvement, and never degradation after burn in?    If the product needs burn-in to achieve peak performance, why doesn't the manufacturer burn-in before the product leaves the factory?   

Where I work (non-audio electronics), we burn-in at the factory.  This is not to improve specs/performance...  It's to weed-out the early-failures before we ship.  When everything's working properly, the stuff comes-out of burn-in performing exactly the same as before burn-in (within measurement tolerances).     

I've never read an audio review where something tested differently after burn-in, and I've never heard of blind listening test where a burned-in model was compared to a non-burned-in model.    This burn-in "magic" only happens in totally non-scientific,  non-blind,  listening tests where they have one copy of the item, making A/B testing impossible.
  • Last Edit: 08 May, 2012, 02:08:09 PM by DVDdoug

  • zerowalker
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Reply #39
I don´t know, i myself think there is a difference, cause i tried a song which had som beats at the start, and then tried it next day, and it went form Klang to Bam.
One nicely but it that it´s like breaking in a new pair of shoes, and if it´s true, then i can believe in it.
But well i can´t tell if it´s true or not from my perspective.

But still, i need to know if the ATH-M50 has the warmer sound i want, as the 280 is too clear and cold for my taste;S
Or of course if there is any other comfortable headphones out there:)
  • Last Edit: 08 May, 2012, 03:25:37 PM by db1989

  • Ron Jones
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Reply #40
But well i can´t tell if it´s true or not from my perspective.

Then why bother?

If you're to do something, do it with purpose

  • zerowalker
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Reply #41
But well i can´t tell if it´s true or not from my perspective.

Then why bother?

If you're to do something, do it with purpose



I did it as i think they sounded like a tin can, and was very dissapointed, and for me i think they made a difference, but i can´t prove it, that´s what i meant;D

  • zerowalker
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Reply #42
How are the Sennheiser HD 598?

They seem pretty high end, and aren´t to expensive.
Are they comfortable?
How is the Bass response?

Thanks:)

  • LithosZA
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Reply #43
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How are the Sennheiser HD 598?

They seem pretty high end, and aren´t to expensive.
Are they comfortable?
How is the Bass response?

Thanks:)


If it sounds like my HD-595 then I think you will be dissapointed. Less low bass than the HD-280s.
Is Beyerdynamic DT 770 in your price range?

  • zerowalker
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Reply #44
Yeah, but  there seems to be many versions with different Ohm;O

EDIT:

It was the pro;S

The normal is alot more expensive, about 140 dollars more than 598;S

But does really the 598 have less bass than the 280?
If it has less, then it will have to sound like a mobile phones bass;S

And many seems to love the soundstage from these.
  • Last Edit: 08 May, 2012, 04:20:28 PM by zerowalker

  • LithosZA
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Reply #45
Should be able to drive the 32 Ohm version from anything I think

Well my ears tell me they have less bass and the graphs seem to indicate that as well:
Graph

Edit: I have included the M50 also. I think what you might be missing is that dip around the 100Hz range.
  • Last Edit: 08 May, 2012, 04:30:53 PM by LithosZA

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Reply #46
Should be able to drive the 32 Ohm version from anything I think

Well my ears tell me they have less bass and the graphs seem to indicate that as well:
Graph



If higher at the low hz means higher bass then it´s one big difference;S
I can´t understand how high the other headphones are then, cause i have never heard this over cleary sound before.

But i am not sure about the pads, i don´t think i like that material if it´s the pushy fluffy thing that are in warm clothers;S

Edit: may be the 100hz dip, i am not good with this kind of stuff;S
  • Last Edit: 08 May, 2012, 05:09:13 PM by zerowalker

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Reply #47
Any time you are using EQ you are changing the way the music was made to sound.

There is no headphone/speaker with  perfectly flat response.  In fact they already come with their own characteristic frequency response (which is far to be flat).
So it's hard to talk about no-EQ/untouched sound by definition.


I see it this way.
There are following variables those have influence on final experience:

1. Human.  (his/her own perception of sound, physical properties and shape of head, age etc..)
2. Audio Hardware
3. External conditions (room, noise etc)
... (maybe something more)

It's not just EQ but a lot of interactions between those elements.
  • Last Edit: 08 May, 2012, 04:57:33 PM by IgorC

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Reply #48
EMU 0404 probably won't be suitable to drive phones with low or middle impedance.
EMU cards have Zo 22 ohms and there is a rule of thumb "Zo should be less than 1/8 of Zphones". EMU cards are suitable to drive phones with impedance of 200 ohms and higher. 280pro has 64 ohms.

Hi!
I have EMU 1616M soundcard with HD 280 Pro headphones and I decided to ask you how an output impedance affects the sound. I can't say I don't like sound from my HD 280 Pros but I definately want to know how to make it better if I'll want to do it sometimes.
Thanks for your original post;

  • Ron Jones
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Reply #49
If higher at the low hz means higher bass then it´s one big difference;S

The Y-scale is in decibels — higher is louder. Most important is the region between ~90 and ~200 Hz, where you'll find the most meaningful bass information in most genres. You can see that the HD280 is slightly 'deficient' in this region, according to Headroom's measurements, whereas the the DT770, for example, has some significant emphasis. The HD280 has very reasonable bass extension, but it does not emphasize that region. The DT770 therefore will portray bass much more strongly than the HD280. The DT770 is a fair choice assuming you can stomach that much bass.

I can´t understand how high the other headphones are then, cause i have never heard this over cleary sound before.

This is a psychoacoustic effect.