no audible differences in the system which is over $10000?
A higher quality system does not usually make it any easier to recognize flaws in audio.
Let me disagree here. In my experience the reference class headphones helped me a lot to spot artifacts. Expensive headphones have wider frequency response and less harmonic distortion.
The organizations of standardization (recommend to) use high quality headphones for evaluation of audiocodecs (even at low bitrates).
Using high quality equipment makes sense since if you have some cheap headphones with uneven frequency response you might reveal artifacts that wouldn't be audible with higher quality equipment.
I think this is nonsense. I've never seen a pair of even 20 dollar headphones that cut out in the upper part of the audible spectrum. I've even EQed cheap mp3 player headphones using pink noise and test tones. Their high frequency response is not much different then my Sennheisers.
But its silly to try and generalize based on your preferences like that.
The flatter the frequency response, the better artifacts are hidden.
Let me disagree here. In my experience the reference class headphones helped me a lot to spot artifacts.
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foo_abx 1.3.4 reportfoobar2000 v1.1.12011/09/05 22:22:23File A: D:\Users\Recup\To Listen To\TEMP\mmasq.m4aFile B: D:\Users\Recup\To Listen To\TEMP\mmasq.wav22:22:23 : Test started.22:22:58 : 01/01 50.0%22:23:14 : 02/02 25.0%22:24:11 : 03/03 12.5%22:26:45 : 04/04 6.3%22:28:20 : 05/05 3.1%22:29:32 : 06/06 1.6%22:30:59 : 07/07 0.8%22:36:31 : 08/08 0.4%22:36:59 : 09/09 0.2%22:38:10 : 10/10 0.1%22:38:56 : 11/11 0.0%22:41:09 : 12/12 0.0%22:42:05 : 13/13 0.0%22:42:18 : Test finished. ---------- Total: 13/13 (0.0%)
Quote from: greynol on 05 October, 2011, 12:09:09 PMThe flatter the frequency response, the better artifacts are hidden.This is biased to me since boomy bass can outweigh a bad cymbal tone reproduction for instance. This same goes as regards the opposite. A flatter frequency response may not emphasize one particular artifact but you're more likely to spot odd reproductions across the whole spectrum.
Regarding headphone differences:You're going to have to do more to demonstrate differences between headphones and the quality of those differences than by simply quoting prices. Providing actual test data would be a good start.
That's all, and it has nothing or very little to do with the frequency reponse of my speakers being uneven or not regarding the artifacts since I have yet to encounter an artificat I had spotted on my old ones that can't find on my new ones anymore, period.
I think there should be "sticky" topics on some sub-forums to avoid more questions like that, kind of a sticky FAQ.
Quote from: Dakeryas on 06 October, 2011, 02:54:40 PMThat's all, and it has nothing or very little to do with the frequency reponse of my speakers being uneven or not regarding the artifacts since I have yet to encounter an artificat I had spotted on my old ones that can't find on my new ones anymore, period.What does it have to do with then?