Hmm, interesting, and I agree with Wombat (edit: and greynol), I think they both come from true lossless masters, as well.The reason I don't think the Passionato track is sourced from lossy is that, in addition to what Wombat noted about the noise floors, the fluttering is fairly slow, but very rhythmic and consistent, which is usually not the case with fluttering/ringing artifacts in lossy encoding. Yes, those artifacts can be somewhat rhythmic, but they're usually much faster.I was going to guess wow and flutter (specifically wow) from an analog tape machine, but if this is the release you're referring to, it appears to be all-digital, so that couldn't be the case (and all that hiss would then be coming from the mics and/or preamps).Odd indeed...was there any liner note info included with the Passionato download WRT the mastering engineers or facilities?
It could be the result of noise reduction or perhaps some type of watermark. ...
I was going to guess wow and flutter (specifically wow) from an analog tape machine
Quote from: mixminus1 on 21 July, 2011, 03:23:31 PMI was going to guess wow and flutter (specifically wow) from an analog tape machineThat was my thought too.
I guess I am leaning to the explanation suggested by greynol: some sort of watermarking. Reading around, it seems that Universal Music do add watermarks to the files they provide to online music stores. And perhaps heavy-handed watermarking might lead to these artefacts
If this comes thru to be true i´d say this is scandalous!! Why to pay for a lossless version that adds much more noise as any modern lossy encoding does?Time to write an Email and complain directly at them asking for clarification. Will be interesting how they explain it to you.
Sure enough, it very much sounded like there was, so I picked track 07 - where it seemed very pronounced - and downloaded it from both Passionato and UMG.I posted the first 15 seconds of each file to mannheim's original upload thread.As the kids say these days: O...M...F...G.The music is just massed male voices, and the vibrato artifact is incredible, especially around the 0:09 mark.
Many thanks to all of you here for helping me confirm this problem and narrow it down. I'll post back again when I hear from Passionato.
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