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  • uart
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I have Windows XP SP2 and I just installed the latest version of Foobar2000 (v 1.1.5) and the "official" burninate CD Writer plugin.

At first it didn't work but I downloaded the imapi2 update and now it's burning ok. The only problem is that I cant find any way to control the write speed. Does anyone have any tips for doing this.

Thanks.
  • Last Edit: 08 March, 2011, 10:30:26 AM by uart

  • uart
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Reply #1
No one else using this plugin?

Not so surprising I guess since not many people are still using CD's. Unfortunately the player in my car can't handle mp3's so I'm stuck with using CD audio for that. Burning straight from foobar is good because all my lossless is now in TAK and there's no Nero plugin available for that format. Previously I was just converting my selection to temporary wav files and burning CDA from that in Nero, but burning straight from foobar is much more convenient. Too bad there's no way to control the burn speed because the quality of the burn is not so good at max speed on my hardware.

BTW. There's some global settings for burn speed and some other stuff under the "Recording" tab of the properties setting on the CD context menu in "My Computer". Sadly however they apparently have no effect on this plugin.
  • Last Edit: 09 March, 2011, 07:40:05 AM by uart

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Reply #2
I don't believe it is possible to change the writing speed using the CD writer component.

  • kode54
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Reply #3
There is an interface in IMAPI v2 to set the recording speed, but the component does not use it. Mainly because only a vocal minority see a point to recording at slower than the maximum speed supported by the media or drive.

Some placebo crap about warm fuzzies and less jitter from recording at the slowest possible speed supported by the drive. Reminds me of those people who think that cutting vinyl at half speed according to a signal which is also slowed down to half speed will improve the sonic response of the resulting record.

Of course, I also remember reading stories about weird and likely crappy audio CD players failing to recognize CDs recorded at speeds faster than 2x.

(Hurr, I haven't recorded a CD at slower than 6x since back when I plugged a CD recorder into a computer that only supported PIO and was CPU limited to writing at 4x.)
  • Last Edit: 09 March, 2011, 08:48:33 AM by kode54

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Reply #4
I don't believe it is possible to change the writing speed using the CD writer component.


So no global settings anywhere in windows (registry for example) to control imapi2 max burn speed?  Looks like I'll have to go back to saving to temporary wave files and burning with Nero. What a pity they didn't add such basic functionality to the foobar plugin.

One other question. Are there any other plugins that can just make a CD image file that I can burn later in nero?

  • uart
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Reply #5
Yeah I've encountered that dogmatic mindset many times before. This has nothing what so ever to do with audio quality or warm fuzzy feelings. The CD's sound exactly the same either way, but burning at 16x on my hardware objectively produces discs with lower error rates and less chance of burn failure than burning at 48x (max). There are advantages in both longevity and compatibility with various players of having discs with lower C1/C2 error rates, that's ALL there is to it.

BTW. Time difference is 3.25 minutes at 48x versus 4.5 minutes at 16x, so it's not anywhere near the time penalty that you'd think from the raw numbers.
  • Last Edit: 09 March, 2011, 09:12:38 AM by kode54

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Reply #6
Some placebo crap about warm fuzzies and less jitter from recording at the slowest possible speed supported by the drive. Reminds me of those people who think that cutting vinyl at half speed according to a signal which is also slowed down to half speed will improve the sonic response of the resulting record.

Of course, I also remember reading stories about weird and likely crappy audio CD players failing to recognize CDs recorded at speeds faster than 2x.

It has nothing to do with placebo. It has been proven by microscopy that the quality of the pits written by most cd burners is better at slow speed. Also, many high-end cd players will not be able to read cds written at high speed.

  • kode54
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Reply #7
That's just because high end players have bullshit drives, while cheap players have drives that will read anything.

There is sort of a valid point to all this, however.

  • Canar
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Reply #8
As foo_burninate doesn't support writing CDTEXT (and most places where I play real CDs support it), I export to WAV/CUE then burn with ImgBurn. It's not quite as simple, but it supports pretty much any tricks you want.
1. Attack the argument, not the arguer.
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  • i.12
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Reply #9
ImgBurn is the best solution I think.

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Reply #10
Ok thanks for the tips. guys. I played around in foobar for a while and eventually figured out how to make a cue file. If you convert to wav and select "generate multi-track files" under the "destination" options then it makes both the wav and the cue file. Yeah this is a good way to do it.

BTW. Nero burns the cue files just fine too. From the Nero main menu just select "Recorder" - "Burn Image" and it will open the cue file and burn the from the cue/wav combination.

  • Peter
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Reply #11
This will be possibly changed in a future version of the component. I wasn't aware that there were legit reasons for slowing the burning process down as pointed out by uart. Though if I ran into a "high-end" device failing to read my CD-Rs, I'd return such device and demand a refund.

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Reply #12
Is there any chance of getting CD-Text support back in foo_burninate like in the old days when it required Nero? That was one of my favorite parts of this plugin.

Also, what I'm finding is that when I try to overburn a CD a little bit, well within the bounds of what the disc physically supports, the MAPI interface gives an error and stops the burn, even though it technically should be able to work. I never had such issues with the old version of this component

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Reply #13
Yes, please, include the option to choose burning speed. I recently updated to the latest version of foobar2000 (i had been using a much older version) and, to my surprise, I couldn't find an option of setting the write speed.

Please, regard this option.

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Reply #14
As I've already mentioned in an earlier post, apart from the possiblity to choose the burning speed it would also be great to correct for the write offset of the drives. This would allow to burn exact copies of CDs.